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LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TOWOULD YOU JOIN ME IN A PRAYER HEAVENLY FATHER? WE JUST ASK HER TO BE WITH US AS WE DO THIS THING.
AUTO PARENTS, ALDERMAN ALDERMAN, PRESENT ALDERMAN.
[1 . Discussion and Initial Review of Redistricting.]
AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN THE SESSION OVER TO THE MANAGER, MR. UH, MR. FOSTER HERE.THANK YOU, MAYOR AUTO TONIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALEX WILSON PREPARE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION IS GOING TO LET HER LEAD US THROUGH THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JANUARY ABOUT THE STATUTES THAT REALLY KIND OF ALLOW US TO AND REQUIRE US TO MAKE CHANGES.
UM, WE HAVE IMBALANCES IN OUR BOARDS AND STUFF.
SO KIND OF THE REJECTS OF IMPROV PROCEDURES THAT WE NEED TO FOR CITIES, COUNTIES, DIFFERENT CITIES.
THERE'S REALLY NO STACK, NO REAL STANDARDS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY DECIDE THAT, UM, WHAT NEW WARDS ARE DETERMINED IN THE CITY MAY HAVE ADOPTED MORE AND MORE NEEDS TO SAY MECHANISM THAT COULD BE A LIFETIME RESOLUTION.
WE WORKED WITH THE BOARD OF ED TO MAKE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT CHANGES.
SO I THINK WE SHOWED IT TO JANUARY WELL.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A CONTINUOUS DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFT OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS, 30 YEARS.
I GET KIND OF A QUICK GLANCE AT THAT.
SO OUR LAST TIME WE DID IT, UM, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER AGAIN IN JANUARY, THERE WAS QUITE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CHANGES THAT WE MADE IN 2010.
THE POPULATION SHIFT HAS REALLY OCCURRED.
WE'VE HAD EXPONENTIAL AMOUNT OF GROWTH IN THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD.
SO WE HAD TO DO QUITE A BIT OF CHANGE.
AND SO THIS WAS JUST A KIND OF A LOOK AT THESE CHANGES.
SO THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN WE DO RE-DISTRICTING, DON'T TRY TO MAKE ALL AWARDS EQUAL POPULATION FOR THE CITY.
TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CONSIDER GROWTH.
DO YOU STAY UNDER THEY UNDER THE 10% RULE, MAKE BOUNDARIES EASY TO DECIPHER AND BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF TYPOGRAPHY ROADS AND NEIGHBORHOODS, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL MAKE THEM ACCESSIBLE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT NO RETROGRESSION BY SURE.
CONSIDER AFRICAN-AMERICANS LOOKING AT THE DEMOGRAPHIC CONSIDERATION, THERE A GROWTH AGAIN, SHOWED THIS IN JANUARY.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE REPETITIVE, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT JUST TO LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THESE LITTLE DOTS ARE HOUSING UNITS.
SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE POPULATION THAT CAN SEE, ESPECIALLY WAR THREE AND MORE FOR YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE LIKE A LARGER SIZE MAPS ON THE WALL.
THERE IT'S A BIGGER SCALE, BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE A MAP OF THIS POWERPOINT THAT SHOWS THOSE AREAS.
I TOOK A LOOK AT THE ELEGANT UNITS THAT DEMOGRAPHIC AND THAT PROBABLY AROUND FOUR 20 SENSORS IN APRIL.
AND SO KIND OF THE METHODOLOGY THAT I WANTED TO GO OVER TO GET THESE NUMBERS.
UM, WE TOOK THE 20, 20 OR 2010 CENSUS RATHER, AND WE LOOKED AT THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES 800 OR SO BLOCKS THAT I LOOKED AT.
AND WITHIN EACH BLOCK I LOOKED AT THEIR CURRENT IN 2010.
WHAT WAS IT? CURRENT OCCUPIED.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL ESTIMATED PERSON FOR A HOUSEHOLD IN THAT SENSE? THE PLOT.
SO I TOOK THAT THE HOUSING UNITS THAT PROBABLY WERE OCCUPIED MOST LIKELY OCCUPIED OR COULD HAVE BEEN OCCUPIED IN APRIL OF 20, 20, SORRY, SORRY.
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AND USE THAT METHODOLOGY TO GO THROUGH ALL THE 807 BLOCKS TO MAKE SURE TO GET AN ESTIMATE.WE CAN SEE IN WARD ONE, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, UNDER COUNT, THERE'S A AFRICANS DIFFERENCE IN POPULATION AND WAR THREE IS QUITE THE OPPOSITE.
THERE'S QUITE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT WE SEE.
SO KIND OF LOOKING AT SOME CHANGES FOR EACH WARD, WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM AND PLEASE STOP ME IF YOU HAVE A ABOUT IT.
SO WITH THE METHODOLOGY THAT YOU USE, DID YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT MOVED OUT OF OUR CITY LEVEL HURTFUL HURRICANE FLORENCE? YES.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE TRACKED ALL THE, SO I'VE, I'VE MAPPED ALSO THE BUILDING PERMITS.
SO I'LL LOOK AT DEMO DEMOLITIONS.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT HOUSES THAT WERE IN MINIMUM HOUSING CODE VIOLATIONS OR WERE ABANDONED THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO YEAH, WE TOOK IN CONSIDERATION THOSE AS WELL.
LET ME JUST ADD, SO ALL THE SAME PAGE, THIS IS JUST A WORKING MODEL.
THEY'RE JUST, THESE ARE BEST GUESSES SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN START THINKING ABOUT HOW THE WARDS MIGHT TAKE SHAPE.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THEM AS SHE GOES? OF COURSE, YES.
UM, I DON'T AGREE WITH REMAINDER OF CRAVEN, TERRORISTS WARD ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY CRAVING TERRORISTS.
SO, UH, THAT NEEDS TO STAY IN WAR TOO.
MA'AM WELL, WE'RE, ALICE IS NOT QUITE THERE YET.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND HOW THESE NUMBERS ARE WORKING.
THE REAL NUMBERS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT COUNT AND WE'LL HAVE THEM LATE SUMMER.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYONE THINKING.
SO IT COULD BE SHIFTED A BLOCK HERE, A BLOCK THERE BASED ON ABSOLUTELY WILL.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET SOME SORT OF BROAD BRUSH STROKES ON IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT STARTING FROM ZERO AT THE END OF THE SONG, THAT'S IT? WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TAKING A LITTLE BIT, SO AGAIN, MY ESTIMATES, WE SHOULD BE AT 33,000.
WE MIGHT COME IN WAY UNDER THAT, OR WE MIGHT COME WAY OVER THAT.
SO LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE 800 AND SOME CENSUS BLOCKS WITH THE 2020 CENSUS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY ALMOST A THOUSAND, SO THERE'S LOTS OF ROOM FOR ADJUSTMENT.
SO THIS WAS JUST A FIRST DRY RUN.
I PUT MY OLD LADY FOR LAST, UM, AGAIN, THIS WAS THE LOWEST, UM, 20, 20 ESTIMATED POPULATION, MY, MY, MY METHODOLOGY ANYWAY.
UM, SO BECAUSE WAR THREE IS ALREADY, UM, WAY OVER, UM, TO TAKE THAT AREA, THIS TOWNSHIP EIGHT, UM, AND GIVE PART OF THAT ALONG THE COUNTRY CLUB, RIGHT ON THE EAST SIDE OF COUNTRY CLUB BURROW INTO WARD ONE AND AS WELL AS PART OF GETTING THERE.
UM, AND THEN SUGGEST THAT GAME WAS, UM, WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, UM, REMAINDER CRAVEN TERRACE.
YOU KNOW, WE LAST TALKED, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING COUNT.
SO THERE WERE SEVERAL, I THINK, FOUR BUILDINGS IN CRAVE AND TARIFFS THAT WERE DEMOLISHED, SO THAT NEVER POPULATION WENT DOWN FROM 20 WEEKENDS.
SO, BUT THAT CERTAINLY, THAT WAS JUST A, JUST A SUGGESTION.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S AN AREA IN WARD FIVE, UM, THAT IS SUGGESTED A, OF THE PAVEY TOWN AREA THAT WE'VE MERGED THAT AREA IN WARD FIVE, BECAUSE THAT IS ALL KIND OF A NEIGHBORHOOD AREA.
LET'S SEE, I KNOW THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT RIGHT THERE, TRYING TO PUT THAT BACK INTO WARD FIVE, I THINK THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE LIES OF RICHARD GRETCHEN.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT AREA NEEDS THAT TYPE OF, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT PB TOWN AREA, IT'S WHY PUT IT BACK INTO AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY, I'M GOING TO SAY CHALLENGED INCOME WISE, YOU KNOW, WHY PUT THAT BACK INTO THE PARK? WOULD YOU PUT THAT BACK INTO THE AREA NOW WHO MAKES YOU CLASSIFY THAT AS RENTAL QUESTION? LET ME FEEL THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT SEGUE TO KIND OF TALK BIG PICTURE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THREE PRIMARY OBJECTIVES.
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EQUALIZE THE WARDS, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF HUMAN BEINGS AND THOSE WORDS, NOT BY NOT BY PARTY, AFFILIATION OR AGE, JUST HOW MANY HUMAN BEINGS ARE IN THESE WARDS AND WHY WE'RE DOING THAT.WE'VE GOT TO GET THOSE NUMBERS WITHIN ABOUT 250 OR 300 PEOPLE OF EACH OTHER, BETWEEN THE MINIMUM AND THE MAXIMUM.
SO WE DON'T TAKE THE 30,000 DIVIDED BY SIX AND SAY, EVERY WORD MUST HAVE 5,000.
THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT, BUT WE'VE ALSO GOT TO BE LOOKING FOR GROWTH OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE THE GROWTH AREAS AND WE'LL MAKE THOSE WORDS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER BY POPULATION TO GIVE THEM ROOM, TO GROW OVER A DECADE, BECAUSE MORE LIKELY THAN NOT LIKELY THE EXPERIENCED IN THE LAST DECADE, THEY'RE GOING TO GROW ROBUST.
AND WE DON'T WANT THINGS TO GET TOO FAR OUT OF KILTER.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO START WITH A MEDIAN NUMBER, ANTICIPATE SOME GROWTH.
AND THEN LEGALLY WE HAVE ROUGHLY A THIRD OF OUR POPULATION IS IN THE MINORITY COMMUNITY, ROUGHLY 30%, THERE ARE SIX BOARD SEATS, A THIRD OF SIX IS TWO.
SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE TWO WARDS WITH A MAJORITY OF MINORITIES, RIGHT? WE CAN'T DILUTE THE MINORITY POPULATION SO THAT THERE MAY NOT BE ANY MINORITY REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD.
THAT'S USUALLY TWO, AND IT'S TWO, IT'S TYPICALLY TWO OR FIVE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN IT HAS TO BE TO WHICH ONES THEY ARE.
DON'T IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT NUMBER WE PUT ON THEM, BUT IT MEANS THAT WE MUST HAVE TWO AND TO SAVE OUT LOUD.
CAUSE PEOPLE THINK, WELL, THREE WOULD BE BETTER THAN TWO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MINORITIES TO CREATE A MAJORITY IN THREE WARDS.
THERE JUST AREN'T THAT MANY BODIES.
RIGHT? SO, SO THOSE ARE THE BUILDING BLOCKS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO, BUT WHEN WE DO THIS, THOUGH, DOESN'T THIS CREATE THE DATA FOR THE NEXT CENSUS TRACKS THAT COULD BE USED FOR GRANTS AND OPPORTUNITIES ZONES.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE DID THE CENSUS TRACK FOR THE OPPORTUNITY ZONES AND THE GOVERNOR VOTED ON IT.
AND MAJORITY OF THE CENSUS TRACKS WAS FROM TRENT CORE AREA IN DOWNTOWN.
SO WITH THE NEW CENSUS, NOW IT'S NEW DATA.
WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE INCOME DON'T WE? YEAH.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IN REGARDS TO MINORITIES IN THE CENSUS TRACK TOO, DON'T WE REDISTRICTING WILL HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THAT.
THE CITIZENS FOLKS, AND ACTUALLY THEY WORK WITH THE COUNTY IN THE STATES TO DEFINE, UM, CENSUS TRACKS.
AND SINCE IT'S BLOCKED ROUTES, USUALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE A BLOCK GROUP AND LOOK AT BLOCK GROUPS AND WE CAN PUT IN INPUT AT THE BEGINNING BEFORE THE, EVEN THE CENSUS EVEN OCCURS.
UM, AND THE CENSUS HAS CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT WENT UP WHEN OUR CENSUS BLOCK GROUP OR CENSUS TRACK REACHES A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, THEY'LL SPLIT IT.
SO IN THE 2020 CENSUS DATA, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT THERE WAS LIKE FIVE OR SIX, LIKE AROUND TOWN OR TOWNSHIP SEVEN AREA HAS BEEN DIVIDED LIKE THREE DIFFERENT NEW PLOT BECAUSE IT'S GROWN SO EXPONENTIALLY THAT THEY DEFINED THAT.
I WANT TO SAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IF IT REACHES A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, THEY'LL AUTOMATICALLY DIVIDE THAT CENSUS BLOCK OR THAT CENSUS BLOCK GROUP.
BECAUSE WHEN THEY SENT OUT CENSUS STAFF TO DO THE ACCOUNTS AND STUFF, WE DON'T WANT TO OVERWHELM STAFF THAT WILL BE DOING THAT.
AND IT ALSO AFFECTS THE NUMBERS OF THE TRACKS WON'T CHANGE WITH A CENSUS BLOCK OR THE PLOT GROUP WOULD LIKE TO GET SUPPORT.
THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM A WARD BOUNDARY, RIGHT.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR REDISTRICTING.
AT WHAT POINT, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE POINT CAME WHEN WE HAD TO ADD THE SIXTH WARD AT WHAT POINT OF POPULATION GROWTH DO WE POTENTIALLY ADD A SEVEN? I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S ANYWHERE NEAR THE FUTURE, BUT W WHEN DO WE GET TO THAT? THAT WOULD BE PURELY A POLITICAL QUESTION.
WE DECIDED THAT WE DON'T WANT MORE THAN 3000 PEOPLE IN A DISTRICT.
WE COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A SEVENTH, RIGHT.
OR CUT IT BEFORE OR MAKE IT EIGHT.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, BECAUSE I WAS CURIOUS, I REMEMBER IT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IT, UM, MAY OR YOU MIGHT REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT FROM FIVE AWARDS TO SIX REWARDS, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF GREENBRIER WHEN GREENBRIER CAME IN AND THAT AREA.
UM, SO I WAS UNSURE HOW THAT CAME ABOUT, WHAT DRIVES THAT DECISION.
AT WHAT POINT DO WE VIA, WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE IN AN OPEN SHIRT.
UH, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT, UH, WARD THREE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE ALL THE TOWNSHIPS 700 TO
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ONE INDIVIDUAL AWARD, THE WAY THAT IT'S GROWING RIGHT NOW, THAT MIGHT BE, HAVE TO BE TWO WARS.YEAH, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN WE HAVE TO DO A REDISTRICTING, THAT YOU CAN CERTAINLY POP IT UP.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR ETJ, AS WE'RE EXPANDING OUT WHERE TALENT, I MEAN, BOARD SIX IS THAT WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGHWAY 17, FIVE, AND THAT'S A LARGE AREA TO COVER.
SO WHEN WE START TO DEVELOP THAT, AND THAT STARTS TO BE PART OF THE CITY THAT MIGHT BE WILLING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE REACHED SO MANY SQUARE MILES THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER 10 YEARS.
SO I MEAN, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT NOW, IT MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT EVERY OPTION BECAUSE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THE WARDS MIGHT KIND OF BE OVERPOPULATED IN THAT AREA.
SCOTT, UM, I KNOW YOU REPRESENT OTHER CITIES.
DO YOU REPRESENT ANY CITY? PROBABLY NOT LARGER THAN NEWBURN, DO YOU? UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE GREENVILLE, I THINK GREENVILLE HAS THE SAME NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS WE HAVE.
AND OBVIOUSLY HOW'S THAT MAKE THAT VERY POINT? YEAH.
RALEIGH, THERE'S A LOT OF MAJOR CITIES THAT ARE DIVIDED INTO WARDS WITH SIX OR EIGHT COMMISSIONERS OR ALDERMAN DEPENDING ON THE TOWN.
SO THERE, THERE IS NO MAGIC NUMBER AS TO HOW, HOW MANY CONSTITUENTS CAN ONE PROPERTY SERVE.
IN SOME CITIES YOU HAVE 50,000 FOR WORK PERMIT.
WELL, THESE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS FOR US TO KNOW AS WE PLAN, BECAUSE WE ARE THE FUTURE AND LOOKING TO THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY AND YOU KNOW, HOW IT, HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE SERVED AND HOW ITS CONSTITUENCY IS GOING TO BE.
SO, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE BALL WAS IN OUR PORT.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS RHYME OR REASON TO HOW THAT HAPPENS.
SO IF WE, IF WE JUST DECIDED, WELL, WE THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL WARD BECAUSE OF THAT.
WOULD WE HAVE TO ADD TO, BECAUSE OF THE EVEN DOES THE STATE STATUTE TELL US IT HAS TO BE IN PLENTY EVEN NUMBER OR NO.
UM, BUT I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE STATUTE TO SEE IF IT'S A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT WE CAN DO AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.
I THINK THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IN THE PROPOSED, UH, WAR ONE WAS THE TOWNSHIP TOO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AS SCOTT WAS SAYING, WE WANT TO STAY WITHIN 200 5300 FOOT THRESHOLD.
WE WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST TO GIVE THAT TOWARD WARRANT A WAR THREE, RATHER AT THIS POINT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? ALRIGHT.
UM, I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING PREGNANT TERRORISTS INTO POSSIBLY WARD ONE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WOULD TAKE TOWN OR WARD THREE OUT OF TOWNSHIP EIGHT, AND THAT REMAINING AREA THAT'S NORTH OF THE TRENT BOULEVARD.
WE WOULD SUGGEST TO PUT IT INTO FOUR, TWO.
THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE POCKET UP HERE ALONG ELIZABETH AVENUE.
THAT'S CURRENTLY IN WARD FOUR WHEN WE DID THE 2010 CENSUS TIME TO ADJUST, PICK THOSE NUMBERS JUST RIGHT.
WE BROUGHT THAT LITTLE L-SHAPED AREA.
I THINK IT'S LAURIE DRIVE AND LIVE WITH AVENUE FROM, INTO WARD FOUR, JUST TO GIVE THEM NUMBER.
SO WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO CLEAN THAT UP SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS OR STREETS THAT ARE SPLIT.
SO ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ON POTENTIAL WARD UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS THAT I KNOW I'M AWARE OF.
UM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE MOVING THINGS OUT OR MOVING THINGS IN, UM, HOLLAND VILLAGE APARTMENTS, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND CANVAS SQUARE APARTMENTS, UM, THERE'S A 60 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT IS UNDER REVIEW AND THEN 8 0 1 CAROLINA AVENUE APARTMENTS, WHICH IS AN 84 UNITS MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
SO WE SEE GROWTH OCCURRING IN THAT TOO.
NOW FOR THOSE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? WHEN DO WE KNOW WHEN, UM, THOSE UNITS AND WAR WOULD BE FILLED OVER ON CAROLINA APP? BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ELECTION IN MARCH AND IF THE SEATS AREN'T FILLED, THAT'S A LOSS FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE IN MY WARD, IF WE'RE JUST PUTTING EMPTY BUILDINGS IN MY WARD TO FILL UP NUMBERS POTENTIALLY.
I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION.
THE CENSUS DATA IS GOING TO BE THE LIVE HUMAN BEINGS LIVING IN A PLACE.
THIS IS JUST TO LOOK AT FUTURE GROWTH.
SO WE MIGHT WANT TO, YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MANY NEW PEOPLE
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WITH, TO PUT YOU OVER OR TOO FAR OVER BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE GROWTH IS COMING.THIS IS JUST THIS, THIS WILL NOT COUNT TOWARDS YOUR WE'LL.
JUST LIKE SCOTT SAID, WHATEVER HAPPENED ON APRIL 20, 20, THAT'S THE ONLY THING WAS LOOKING FOR.
BUT THE POINT IS MAKING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE AN EYE ON THAT AS WE, AS WE CONSIDER WHICH WARDS TO LEAVE ROOM TO GROW AND WHICH ONES NOT, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN THINK ABOUT TO LEAVE ROOM FOR GROWTH
AND AS SCOTT WAS SAYING, WE DON'T WANT TO CALL IT RETROGRESSION.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT WHERE WE'RE SEEING POPULATION OCCURRED, KEEP OUR BALANCE.
SO WAR THREE, THAT PLACE, IT JUST EXPLODING WITH THE BELT.
AND IT'S ALREADY WHEREVER AS FAR AS POPULATION.
SO WE WOULD BRING ALL OF THAT INTO TOWNSHIP SEVEN TOWNSHIPS TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE LAKE VIEW, WHICH IS ALSO PART USED TO BE CALLED PARTY'S FARM, OR IT'S 104 HOMES GOING IN THERE.
THERE'S 267 HUBS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, FAIR DEBT.
THEY BURY PARK THERE'S 77 HOMES THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED HUDSON AT CAROLINA COLORS.
IT'S UNDER REVIEW AS 360 UNITS.
UM, AND THEN CAROLINA COLOR INDEPENDENT LIVING IS 150 FIFTH, 155 UNITS, SENIOR AND INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS.
ALL OF IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THEY'RE ALREADY OVER AND THEY RECEIVED CONTINUED GROWTH.
UM, AND SO, LIKE I SAID, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHERE DOES THAT GO? SO WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO, UM, THEY WOULDN'T, IF THEY'RE UNDER COUNT RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT ANY QUESTIONS ON PROPOSED OR THREE, UH, ALICE, JUST FOR THAT FUTURE PLANNING DISCUSSION, CAN WE GET FROM THE
THREE OR FOUR BEDROOM APARTMENTS.
I'M SURE WE CAN GO THROUGH THE SITE PLANS, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
THAT COULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON A NUMBER OF PERSONS PER UNIT.
UM, THEN LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL, UH, CHANGES IN WAR FOR, I WILL SAY THAT RIGHT OFF THE, BEFORE I EVEN SAY THIS, I THINK I'VE ALREADY WOULD LIKE TO STEP BACK ON MORE OF THESE.
AND THAT IS THE AREA THAT IS, UM, WHAT'D YOU CALL IT WESTERN NEWBURN AREA WHERE THE 43 CONNECTOR GOES THROUGH THERE.
I ORIGINALLY WAS THINKING THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT KEEPING NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER AND HOW DEVELOPMENT MIGHT AFFECT ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ETJ AND HOW IT'S DEFINED THAT IF WE CREATED THIS AND WE GAVE THIS TOWARDS SIX, WE KIND OF CREATE A FOUR, FOUR AS A KIND OF AN ISLAND WHERE IT'S CUT OFF FROM A FUTURE GROWTH.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ETJ AND WARD SIX, WE CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF AREA THAT'S UNDEVELOPED AT SOME POINT, MOST LIKELY WILL BE DEVELOPED.
SO WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT, BUT I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT.
SO LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NO POPULATION IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE TWO, THERE'S THE COMMON DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, AND THEN THERE'S A SUBDIVISION THAT'S GOING IN BREAKFAST SIDED.
UM, AND THEN AS WELL AS, UH, DERBY TOILET, CURRENT, THE WORD CORE, THERE'S A DERBY PART.
THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, A NEW PHASE OF IT FOR 60 58 HOMES.
AND THEN THE TAPE COLLINS' APARTMENTS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, 58 UNITS, ANY DISCUSSION
I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE OUR UNIT NUMBER IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT IS THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
UM, JANUARY, IF THAT AREAS WILL STAY IN FOR, UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT
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WELL, THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER THAT AND MAKE THE HIGHWAY AS DIVIDER AND SO THAT HE CAN EAT OR WAR PORK AND EXPAND IN THAT DIRECTION AS REWARD PRIVATE AS WELL.
SO I DON'T WANT TO CUT THEM OFF.
UM, WARD FOUR IS IT'S PRETTY DENSE AND THEY'RE ALSO WEIGH OR REPOPULATE NOT WAY OVER, BUT THEY'RE OVER OPTIMAL POPULATION.
SO IF WE LEAVE THAT WITH KNOWING THAT, UM, COMMENT, THE COMMENT APARTMENTS IN THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THAT AREA, WE MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO KIND OF BALANCE OUT.
CAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET IS MORE FOR IT MAKES NO SENSE.
SO, AND MAJORITY OF WORK FOR IS OVER WHERE, UM, UH, EACH DAY MCDONALD'S IS.
SO WHY DOES IT WORK TO HAVE ALL THE WAY OUT TO THAT STREET? WHERE, WHERE, UM, SOUTH, WHEN BERNIE ROAD IS LIKE THAT AREA? WHY DON'T I HAVE THAT AREA? IT'S LIKE, I'M JUST CAUGHT IN EVERYTHING.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TRYING TO REDISTRICT YOU.
WOULDN'T KIND OF LIKE GETTING A PROPER VIEWING OF HOW IT SHOULD BE ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET.
IT'S ME ACROSS THE, OVER THERE IT'S KINSEY AND THEN YOU HAVE OLDER.
I STOPPED AT LORNE STREET AND THEN IT STUCK.
IT WAS A THIRD THAT WAS OVER THERE.
IT'S VERY CONFUSING FOR RESIDENTS.
AND IT MAKES ME CLAP ON THE SIDE OF NATIONAL AVENUE WHEN SHE GETS A BLADES ON BARBARA, IS THAT NEW BLADES AVENUE? YES.
THAT IS CONFUSING TO THE RESIDENTS OVER THERE.
THERE IS ONE, ONE AREA YOU COULD SEE ALONG THE LORI DRIVE AND ELIZABETH AVENUE.
I TALKED TO THAT EARLIER, BRINGING THAT OUT OF WARD, OUT OF WARD FOUR AND PUTTING IN THE WAR TO THE CLOUD OF CLEAN, BECAUSE THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SPLIT RIGHT THERE TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DEFINE.
IT'S LIKE COMING DOWN AND
SO THAT RESIDENTS HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AND WE ALL HAVE THEM UNDERSTAND, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO IT.
I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE BOUNDARY LINES AND ON THE BOUNDARY LINE ON ONE SIDE ROAD IS GOING TO BE ONE WARD ON THOSE SIDES OF THE OTHER WARD.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT IS GOING TO BE WARD THREE, A WARD THREE IS GOING TO BE THE RIVER IS THE BOUNDARY LINE.
AND ANYTHING OVER THERE IS GOING TO BE A WARD THREE.
I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T REALLY BORDER ANY, ANY OTHER CORPORATE OR ANY OTHER AWARD THAT'S COMING OUT.
I WILL SAY, I WILL SAY, WHEN WE, IN 2010, WHEN WE DID THE REDISTRIBUTING YOUR WORK, LIKE YOU SAID, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE SPLIT AND THERE WERE A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND WE DID IT IN 2010.
WE LOOKED TOWARDS THAT IN 2020, AND IT REALLY HAS CONFORMED TO THAT.
WE SAW AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GROW A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR OTHER AREAS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GROW A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
AND SO WE TRIED TO LOOK SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE SUCH SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN 2020 AS WE DID IN THIS POINT.
TH TH THE POINTS YOU'RE MAKING ARE CORRECT AND GOOD POINTS.
AND THEY'RE GOOD OBSERVATIONS.
YOU WANT TO HARRISON'S POINT, YOU WANT TO USE HIGHWAYS AND MAJOR STREETS TO DIVIDE THINGS UP WHENEVER POSSIBLE, RIGHT? THAT DOES YOUR BRIGHT LINE.
YOU WANT TO AVOID SPLITTING NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S CONFUSING, BUT OTHER THAN THOSE TWO AND TWO MILE POSTS, THE POPULATION AND THE RESIDENT, THE PHYSICAL LOCATIONS ARE GOING TO WHAT YOU END UP DOING.
THERE'S POPULATION DIDN'T MATTER.
WE WOULD JUST DO IT ALL LOGICALLY, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET TO THESE MAGIC NUMBERS.
AND THE TWO BIG NO-NOS THAT WE TRY TO AVOID IS WE, WE TRY TO AVOID AND WANT TO AVOID CREATING ISLANDS WITHIN A WAR.
YOU DON'T WANT ONE MORE LYING WITHIN ANOTHER BAD IDEA,
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LIKE WHAT USED TO BE IN TO BURN WOOD.OR THEY WANT TO AVOID ISLANDS AND YOU, AND THEN RIGHT.
SIMILAR TO THAT IS YOU WANT TO AVOID THESE STREETS, THAT BISECT AWARD, UM, LIKE ALICE WAS POINTING OUT.
IT'S NOT AN ISLAND, BUT IT MIGHT AS WELL BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST RUNNING A STREET TO THE MIDDLE OF A WARD, BUT AVOIDING THOSE TWO NO-NOS AND THEN TRYING TO HONOR HIGHWAYS AND RIVERS AND MAJOR FEATURES.
ONCE YOU LEAVE THOSE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERY SITUATION WHERE ONE SIDE OF THE STREETS, ONE HOARD THE OTHER SIDE TO ANOTHER.
BE HONEST WITH YOU WHEN YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD TO BOARD THAT YOU HAVE TO ORDER THEM, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO VOTE.
UH, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WAR FIVE MYSELF.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE PHYSICALLY NEXT TO AWARD THREE, THE LARGEST AREA CHANGES.
SO AGAIN, TALKED ABOUT PORTION OF KATY TOWN FROM MAIN STREET NORTH TO THE RAILROAD TO GRAY STREET, EAST OF BURNS STREET, BRINGING THAT IN FROM WARD ONE TO WARD FIVE, TO GIVE THEM SOME MORE POPULATION.
UM, THERE IS THE TYLER HOMES ON THE LAKE, WHICH USED TO BE CALLED LAKE TYLER, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW HAS 337 TIMES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BUILDING QUITE A LOT OVER IN THAT AREA.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS AND AGAIN, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO REITERATE, AND I THINK SCOTT'S REITERATE, WE'RE JUST AS JUST BEST GUESTS POPULATION.
SO I, I'M NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER THAT THESE ARE, THESE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO CHANGE IN THESE AREAS.
THIS IS JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, I GUESS I'LL THEN LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UH, WAR SIX.
AGAIN, THE ONLY CHANGE REALLY IS THAT BRINGING THAT, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY AND THAT IT REALLY IS A DEFINED AREA THAT A MAJOR HIGHWAY GOING THROUGH THERE, IT MAKES SENSE THAT MAYBE WE LEAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW ALDERMAN HARRIS WAS TALKING ABOUT POPULATIONS.
THERE IS NO POPULATION HERE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T COUNT POPULATION BECAUSE DURING THE CENSUS THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
UM, SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, CHANGING IT FROM ONE WAR TO ANOTHER REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE THE POPULATION NUMBERS.
IT'S JUST A THOUGHT PROCESS, I GUESS.
UM, THERE'S STILL MAJOR PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING BELLE OAKS IS UNDER REVIEW FOR 60 HOMES, WEST NEWBURN, THERE'S 63 HOMES THAT ARE IN REVIEW.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE COMMENT APARTMENTS IN WEST NEWBURN, WE PROBABLY WON'T INCLUDE THOSE.
SO, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAPS THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR DESK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ETJ AREA, CRAVER FOREST, OR OTHER AREAS THAT LOCK ALONG ROCKY ROAD ROAD OR WHATEVER, WE HOPE TO SEE DEVELOPMENT OUT THAT WAY.
I THINK THERE'S ONCE THAT THE 43 CONNECTOR SOUTH PHONES, I THINK THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE GROWTH IN THAT AREA.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT? ACTUALLY, HE'S THE ONLY AWARD SIX OF THE ONLY ONE.
I THINK THERE WERE 50 POPULATIONS RIGHT NOW, JUST LOOKING AT IT WITHIN BEING OFFERED.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEPS WE SHOULD BE.
OF COURSE, THIS IS LIKE A MOVING TARGET.
WE GETTING THE REDISTRICTING DATA.
YOU'RE SAYING BY AUGUST OF 16, IT'LL COME IN A LEGACY FORMAT.
AND IF YOU THOUGHT FILLING OUT YOUR TAXES WERE BAD, GETTING CENSUS DATA IN LEGACY FORMAT IS 10,000 WORDS.
SO IT COMES IN KIND OF LIKE A SPREADSHEET THING THAT HAS COLUMNS THAT HAVE NAMES THAT ARE 30 MILES LONG.
AND YOU HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE NAMES, THAT THE SYSTEMS FOLKS TRYING TO BE HELPFUL, HAVE SOME TEST DATA OUT THERE THAT WE CAN GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE FRIDAY.
SO COME AUGUST 16TH WHEN WE GET THAT DATA IN, BECAUSE IN SEPTEMBER, THEY'RE GOING TO RELEASE THE EASIER USER FRIENDLY DATA, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT TO THEM.
SO WHEN THAT DATA COMES IN, WE SHOULD BE READY TO GO TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
SEE, DO WE NEED TO CHALLENGE THOSE NUMBERS? UM, THERE'S A SMALL WINDOW.
AND THERE'S A SMALL CATEGORY WHERE YOU CAN MAKE CHALLENGES ON YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE POPULATION.
SO THEY'RE REALLY ANXIOUS TO GET THIS DATA OUT THERE AND THEN BEING UTILIZED.
UM, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS THE DATA THAT'S COMING OUT, THE NUMBERS? CAUSE LIKE SCOTT SAID TWO MORE, UM, MAJORITY OF THE MINORITIES BASED ON, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT CAME IN, DOES IT SHOW THAT IT'S CHANGED FROM WHAT IT ALREADY CURRENTLY IS IN REGARDS TO
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THE MAJORITY MINORITY? YEAH.THAT WAS NEW BURNS UNDER 50,000 PEOPLE POPULATION, OUR ESTIMATE, AS FAR AS DEMOGRAPHICS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT'S KIND OF LIMITED.
SO WE CAN'T GET BLOCKED GROUP OR, BUT LEVEL BETA, IF WE WERE A DURHAM AND RALEIGH OR CHARLOTTE STUFF LIKE THAT, WE COULD BECAUSE THEY SEND OUT MORE SURVEYS EVERY YEAR.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE, WE DON'T, THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS BASE IT OFF.
LIKE WHAT'S THE HOUSE WE THINK THE POPULATION'S GOING TO BE BASED ON HOUSING BLOCK, WHICH WARD IS THE MINORITY WARD.
IF IT DOESN'T SPECIFY, WE WON'T DO ANYTHING YOU HAVE AS FAR AS FINALIZING AND BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU UNTIL WE GET THOSE NUMBERS.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A VERY CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT, WHAT WE THINK, THE POPULATION AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
WELL, WE TO ASSUME AT THIS POINT THAT'S STILL TWO AND FIVE AT THIS POINT.
SO, SO THEN IS BASED ON THE POPULATION, UH, FOR THE 20, 20 CENSUS INFORMATION WE'RE WAITING TO GET BACK.
SO AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, I JUST SAID, WARD FIVE.
I HAD A LOT OF VACANT LAND OVER HERE, LIKE A LOT, BUT NO HOUSES, NO STRUCTURES BECAUSE OF HURRICANE DAMAGE, FEMA LOCKSMITH, RIGHT.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY BROKE ON THOSE LOTS.
RIGHT? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO, WE TOOK THAT IN CONSIDERATION, IN OUR METHODS, IN MY METHODOLOGY.
I HAVE, SINCE FLORENCE, I'VE BEEN TRACKING THAT FOR FEMA AND OTHER PURPOSES, UM, AS WELL AS I, TO THE BUILDING PERMITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I'VE TRACKED THE DEMOLITIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN OUR GIS SYSTEM.
SO I TOOK THAT IN CONSIDERATION, BUT HOW ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MANAGE? WILL WE GET, DO GET THE POPULATION NUMBERS THAT I'M AT A STANDSTILL BECAUSE OF A LOT OF VACANT, A LOT, A LOT.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE, WE NEED TO VOTE.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CONSIDERED BEAM A LOT YET.
I MEAN, THERE ARE ALREADY OVER THERE THAT, WELL, THERE'S SOME IN THE DUFFIELD AREAS DOWN IN SUNNYSIDE AREA.
AND THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE AT SOME POINT AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, WE WILL PROBABLY UTILIZE THEM FOR STORM MORE CONTROL, BUT THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT WE ARE LIKE NORTHFIELD DRIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY.
BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WAS THAT PROCESS.
AND THAT WILL TAKE, TAKE THE SEC ANYTIME SOON IS THAT I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION YOU'RE ANSWERING.
THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH SQUARE FOOTAGE OF LANDRY.
SO WHILE THE DEVELOPMENT MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THEME A LOT, BUT, AND IN LAKE TYLER, THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THOSE PLACES, AND THOSE ARE GOING TO BE HEADS ON BEDS, BASICALLY NUMBERS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF RESET FOR THOSE AREAS.
NOT NECESSARILY I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE BUILDING, RIGHT.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT, SO I DID LOOK AT ZONING AS WELL.
SO YOU LOOK AT YOUR AWARD, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALMOST LIKE TWO AND A HALF TIMES SIDE'S BOARD FOR LANDMASS, RIGHT.
AND HE'S OVER HE'S WAY OVER, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IT, YOU KNOW, AS THAT AREA EXPANDS AS, AS FAR AS 43 CONNECTOR AND STUFF.
AND I FORESEE THAT THAT AREA WILL CONTINUE TO GROW, WHETHER IT'S MULTIFAMILY.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A MULTIFAMILY UNIT OR DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN HAVE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HOUSING.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE, UM, STORING WATER, BECAUSE I KNOW THE REDEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CAME HERE WITH THE PROJECTS AND THE WHOLE BUYOUT PROGRAM THAT COULD TAKE 5, 10, 15 YEARS.
UM, THAT LAND IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING IT BASED ON THE 20, 20 CENSUS.
IF THAT LAND IS BOUGHT OUT AND PEOPLE WHO WORK COUNT COUNTED ON THE 2020 CENSUS.
CAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT 10 YEARS, UM, IN THE LAND IS NOT DEVELOPED.
YOU CAN'T DEVELOP IT DOESN'T, SHE DOESN'T WORK FIVE KIND OF LOSE OUT ON, ON THAT GROWTH IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE YOU'RE TURNING THESE, THESE AREAS INTO STORM WATER FEATURES WHERE IT CAN'T BE.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T LOOK AT THAT NOW, AS FAR AS THE DISTRICT IS, WE CAN KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT, BUT LOOK AT IT.
SO WE CAN'T, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT'S LIKE SAYING WE'VE GOT A PIECE OF LAND HERE.
THAT'S PRIME FOR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT OR SOME KIND OF, WE DON'T KNOW IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS OF THAT, UNLESS WE ONLY THING I'M SHOWING YOU RIGHT NOW IS APPROVED.
PLANS ARE FAR THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON CONSTRUCTION.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY THING THAT I'M GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON AS FAR AS DISTRICT.
STEP ONE IS WE'VE GOT TO BALANCE THE WARDS BASED ON THE 2020 NUMBERS.
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WANT TO LOOK FORWARD FOR A DECADE AND TRY TO MAINTAIN SOME KIND OF PARITY BEST.NOW THERE'S A VERSION WHERE YOU MIGHT SAY, ONE WORD IS GOING TO GROW BY 2000 PEOPLE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
BUT ALL WE CAN DO IS GIVE THAT WARD AT MOST 300 LESS PEOPLE NOW TO GIVE THEM SOME TRAJECTORY.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GIVE THEM 4,000 NOW HOPING TO GET 6,000 IN 10 YEARS, BECAUSE TODAY WE'RE BEING MEASURED AND WE'VE GOT TO BE WITHIN 10% OF EACH OTHER.
I'M JUST SAYING BAIT OVER IN HER WORD OVER WHERE TRAPPER TRULY IS.
JUST SAY, THE RESIDENTS HAVE THE FIRST MEETING SAY NEXT YEAR AND THEY'RE LIKE, YUP.
THEY WILL PUT ON THE 20, 20 CENSUS AND NOW THEY'RE NO LONGER THERE AND THAT'S NEVER GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AGAIN.
SO, I MEAN, FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE FRUSTRATING FOR ME THAT WE'RE TWO AND WE'RE FIVE HAVE A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES AND FLOODED AREAS THAT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED.
AND THEY'RE TURNED INTO WATERWAYS AND WATER PARKS.
AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S WHEN YOU GET, YOU GET YOUR POPULATION, MAYBE IN OTHER AREAS YOU MIGHT LOSE 10 PEOPLE OR 20 PEOPLE FROM THIS AREA, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PICK UP.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING BY PROJECTING.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST GONNA NECESSARILY JUST KIND OF MAKING A COMMENT IN REGARDS TO THE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND HURRICANES AND STUFF THAT HAPPENS.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GETTING FLOODED OUT SO MANY TIMES, FEMA PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GAIN AS MUCH PROPERTY AS YOU WANT, BUT THE WARRANTS, HOW THEY'RE RATED TO THE 10 YEARS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT 10 YEARS OF HAVING A SOLID WARD.
OKAY? LIKE YOU COULD GAIN 500 PEOPLE ON THE WEST SIDE OF YOUR REWARD, BUT YOU MIGHT'VE LOST UNDER IT ON THIS SIDE, BUT IT ALL BALANCES OUT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE GOVERNMENT, EVERYBODY LOOKS AT THE NUMBER.
SO LET'S JUST 30,005,000 PEOPLE FROM YOUR 10% IS PLUS OR MINUS 500 PEOPLE.
SO EVEN YOUR BOARD'S GOING TO HAVE 4,500 PEOPLE IN IT, OR IT'S GOING TO HAVE 5,500.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR LAND.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW YOU GET TO THAT.
IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU DRAW THE CIRCLE BIGGER.
SMALL RESULT IS THAT SHE HAS, YOU KNOW, SHE'S VERY GOOD.
I WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS ONCE BEFORE AND I REMEMBER WE HAD A LOT OF THE SAME DISCUSSION.
AND SO WHAT WE DID ONE DAY AS MYSELF AND ANOTHER ALDERMAN, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR AREAS.
WE SAT THERE AND SHE'S GOT THIS BREAK MAP AND THE ALDERMAN WOULD SAY, WELL, I WANT THIS, THIS AREA HERE.
AND SHE CLICKED ON IT AND SAY, OKAY, YOU NOW HAVE, YOU KNOW, 4,700 PEOPLE.
AND NOW YOUR WARD HAS JUST LOST 300 PEOPLE.
SO, AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD DO CLICK BACK AND FORTH TILL WE GOT THE NUMBERS.
AND WE AGREED THAT WE WERE AT THE NUMBERS LEAD AND WE WERE SATISFIED WITH THE BOUNDARIES.
SO THERE ARE TOOLS THAT SHE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP US WITH.
DO YOU STILL HAVE THAT? OH YEAH.
I MEAN, I THINK A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ALL THE HARRIS'S LIKE IN 2010 WARD THREE, WE GAVE, WE PUT OLD TOWN DOWN COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, PART OF KENT IN THAT AREA, EVEN THOUGH WE KNEW THERE WAS DEVELOPMENT WORK TO BURN, I CAROLINA COLORS WAS COMING IN THAT 10 YEARS TIMEFRAME.
BUT AS SCOTT SAID, WE HAVE TO DO A BASEBALL ON THAT THAT'S SENSORS.
AND WE CAN'T, WE CAN TRY TO ADJUST IT AS BEST YOU CAN, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE THE DIVORCE OF BALANCE FOR THAT TIMEFRAME, THAT TIMESTAMP, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE WARS BALANCED NOW, NOT WHAT MIGHT OCCUR DOWN THE ROAD.
WE CERTAINLY WANT TO ADJUST THE BOUNDARIES TO BE THINKING DOWN THE ROAD, BUT WE CAN'T SAY OKAY, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GIVE LOADER A TAPE, ALL OF TOWNSHIP SEVEN AND MAKE IT A BOARD THREE, WHEN HE'S GOING TO BE SIX OR 700 PEOPLE, WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IF WE LOSE THAT EQUAL VOTE, ONE VOTE FOR EACH PERSON.
I'LL REMEMBER SCOTT RE NOT THAT I WOULDN'T ADVOCATE DOING THIS MORE OFTEN THAN EVERY 10 YEARS, BUT CAN REDISTRICTING BE DONE MORE FREQUENTLY? I ASKED MYSELF THE SAME QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER THING THAT, AND MAYBE I'M JUST OVER, OVER SIMPLIFY THIS, BUT YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO MINORITY WARS, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND WE'VE GOT THE 10% RULE THAT WE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN.
SO AM I, AM I JUST OVERSIMPLIFYING THIS OR IS THIS PROCESS REALLY SHOULD BE JUST VERY SIMPLE.
WE SHOULD JUST BE MOVING SOME LINES
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TO BASE OFF OF THE POPULATION GROWTH THAT WE'VE HAD AND THE REGRESSION THAT WE'VE HAD IN POPULATION SAY SINCE FLORENCE, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE SOME BOUNDARIES OUT.THE REASON I SAY THIS IS SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN, THERE WAS AN EMAIL, THERE'S A GROUP THAT'S ADVOCATING TO HOST THESE CALLS TO TALK ABOUT REDISTRICTING.
AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE POLITICAL CHANGES ON WHAT THAT'S THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
IT DOES THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEALING WITH REPRESENTATION AND YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE CENSUS GETS EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THERE BASED ON YOUR RACE, AGE, EVERYTHING.
SO WAR RIGHT NOW MAY HAVE MAJORITY, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE WAR THREE, WARD FOUR.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW MAJORITY WARDS ARE.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT DEMOGRAPHICS BASED ON THAT.
SO REPRESENTATION, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S REPRESENTATION.
I THINK WHEN THE CENSUS NUMBER COMES IN, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT EITHER TWO OR FIVE, OR JUST SAY, IF IT MOVED TO ONE THAT THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE TWO MINORITY WARDS.
YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO, TO YOUR POINT, WHICH IS CORRECT, WOULD NOT WANT TO DESIGN A REWARD KNOWING THAT HE VERY SOON GROWTH WOULD DILUTE OUT OF MINORITY MAJORITY, RIGHT? WOULD YOU, THAT IS NOT THE RESULT THAT YOU WANT.
AND, AND, AND EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE PRE-CLEARANCE EVENT THIS YEAR, OR THIS TIME AROUND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS STILL THERE.
AND THERE'S ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE RAISES AN ISSUE AND SAYS, I'M CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MAKING ALL THE WARS ONE, YOU KNOW, TAKING THEM ALL OUT OF MINORITY AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND SUE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T THINK THIS IS FAIR BALANCED.
AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS REQUIRED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
AND ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, I WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH, HE BROUGHT UP RIVERSIDE.
AND AGAIN, THAT IT WAS SPLIT DURING THE LAST REDISTRICTING OF THE AWARDS.
BUT FROM A STATE LEGISLATIVE STANDPOINT, OUR WARS HAVE NO BEARING THE STATE.
DOESN'T LOOK AT A WARD OF A MUNICIPALITY AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS OR THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
IN THEORY, IT SHOULD BE ONCE WE MEET THE LEGAL CRITERIA BALANCE AND ADDRESS THE RACIAL ISSUES THEREAFTER, IT'S BAD GOVERNANCE, RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU BE A MORE LIKELY OTHER IN TERMS OF GOVERNANCE, WHICH, WHICH AREAS AND GEOGRAPHIES HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES.
SO THAT ONE PERSON ADDED ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THE DISTRICTS RIGHT IN DOWNTOWN.
CAUSE THEY WERE ALL THING YOU NEED IS THREE PUBLIC OFFICIALS HAVE TO GET SMART ON, ON HPC GROUPS.
SO YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE MACRO VIEW OF IT.
SO IT'S A LITTLE WEIRD HAVING WIRELESS CONNECTION.
IT'S KIND OF PULL THE BOARD HERE FOR SOME DIRECTION.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH TO NUTS IS GET THESE GOOD QUESTIONS OUT OF THE WAY.
SO NOW WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THE BASICS.
UM, AND THEN WITH THOSE RULES IN MIND AND THESE, THESE MAPS JUST FOR ILLUSTRATION AND THINKING ABOUT YOU GUYS CAN BE REFLECTING ON WHAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU.
UM, ALICE AND I ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU ADVICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CHECK THE LEGAL BOX, BUT THEREAFTER IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF GOVERNANCE.
WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GOVERN CERTAIN AREAS THAT MAKE SENSE, RECOGNIZING THERE'S NO VERSION THAT IS PERFECT.
THERE IS NO, THERE WILL BE HUNDREDS OF STREETS THAT GET SPLIT BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A BORDER BETWEEN TWO WORDS.
THERE'S NO WAY AROUND, UM, GOING FORWARD.
WE CAN, UM, WE CAN DO THIS AGAIN.
I THINK JUST LISTENING TO YOU AND YOU AND YOUR GOOD QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, ALICE AND I HAVE PROBABLY ACCOMPLISHED WHAT WE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND HERE WE ARE, CALL IT UP PART OF JULY.
SO WE'RE SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS FROM HAVING BETTER NUMBERS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S A GOOD USE OF YOUR TIME TO START SLIDING STREETS AND BLOCKS AROUND AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THE MORE THOUGHT YOU CAN GIVE TO THE GENERAL REGIONS THAT ALISON OUTLINING WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND ALICE I'LL LOOK TO YOU AND THE BOARD, DO WE THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU TO HAVE SOME DIGESTION AND MAYBE WE MEET IN EARLY AUGUST OR MID AUGUST.
YOU STILL HAVE GOOD NUMBERS, BUT WE CAN START GETTING ALICE SOME FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THE MORE MACRO VISIONS THAT SHE PROPOSED.
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LIKE SAY ONE, TWO AND FIVE, CAUSE WE'RE REALLY TOUCHING EACH OTHER.UM, MAYBE BEFORE THE THREE OF US TO HAVE A MEETING ABSOLUTELY TOGETHER.
THINK ABOUT THAT AND SAY, CAN WE MOVE THIS HERE, MOVE THAT MAYBE, AND THEN GET A COUPLE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST SWITCH AROUND AND MAYBE WE CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER THAT WAY.
UM, AND YOU GUYS KNOW THE RULES CAN'T BE CORNS FOR SURE.
UM, AND WHAT, WHAT I WANT TO AVOID, UM, WHICH I HAVE FOUND, UM, IS NOT EFFICIENT, IS TO MEET IN ONESIES WITH STAFF BECAUSE WE JUST START MOVING LINES AND ERASING AND MOVING ERASING, AND THEN WE'RE NOT MAKING PROGRESS, BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING TOGETHER ALL THE MEN.
WHO'VE GOT COMMON BORDERLINES TO START THINKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING TO GET RESOLVED.
IT WAS ONE, TWO AND FIVE THAT METH I LIKED THAT KIND OF WORKED AT.
WE HAD THE MAJORITY OF CHANGES AT THAT POINT THAT MADE EVERYTHING EVEN BEGIN THIS UNTIL WE GET THE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, YOU MIGHT MOVE SOMETHING, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE IT BACK TO WHATEVER I'LL DO.
SO THE THREE OF YOU IN THOSE WORDS, UM, TO DECIDE IF YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE PRODUCTIVE OR NOT, UM, IF THERE ARE SOME MAJOR VISION, VISIONARY DIFFERENCES, THEN MAYBE THE SOONER YOU SORT THOSE OUT THE BETTER.
UM, BUT RECOGNIZING THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO GET DOWN TO THE GRANULAR LEVEL OF DIFFERENT STREETS.
I AGREE WITH ALDERMAN HARRISON, LIKE CRAIG AND TERRACE.
SO CRAVEN TERRACE WAS IN THE FIRST WAR 10 YEARS AGO THAT CAME OUT OF ADAM, THE FIRST REWARD AND SOME OTHER CHANGES.
AND I THINK WE COULD WORK TOGETHER TO KIND OF, AND SAME WITH, UM, UH, ALDERMAN BEST TO KIND OF SHORE SOME OF THESE THINGS.
LIKE IN RIVERSIDE, MAYBE WE CAN SHORE THAT UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER, UM, JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE VOTERS AND LIKE HERE, WHERE WE SUGGEST PART AGAIN, GOING TO THE SECOND BOARD, MAYBE IT'D BE BETTER TO KEEP IT ALL WHOLE BECAUSE IT IS A NEIGHBOR.
IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE POPULATION IS.
YOU KNOW, IF I PICK UP 50 PEOPLE THERE, I HAVE TO LOSE 50 PEOPLE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO WHERE DOES THAT GO? WHY WE'RE BEING MINDFUL OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
UM, SO HERE'S A THOUGHT, UM, ALISON I HAVE HOMEWORK.
UM, WE WILL, WE MEETING OUT, WE'LL PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION ON THE GROWTH AREAS, HOT SPOTS, MAYBE GET SOME MORE DETAILS ON THEM.
AND ODOM WAS ASKING ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX IS HOW MANY BEDROOMS, JUST TO GET A LITTLE MORE VISION AS TO WHERE ALICE IS THINKING THAT GROWTH IS GOING TO BE.
UM, SO WE COULD BE DOING THAT IN THE MEANTIME, AS YOU WANT TO HAVE BREAKOUT GROUPS AMONG YOURSELVES, THAT'S GREAT DO THAT.
ALICE WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL BE SEEING EACH OTHER IN OUR BOARD MEETINGS.
AND IF ANYTHING CHANGES OR WE HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS, WE'LL HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN, IF WE NEED TO, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO I GAVE Y'ALL THE DESKTOP COPIES OF THE MAPS THAT ARE UP THERE ALSO IN THE POWERPOINT.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A BIGGER VERSION OF IT.
ONE IS THE CURRENT WARS AS THEY ARE TODAY.
AND ONE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS ON SCOTT, JUST, UM, TWO, TWO COMMENTS.
I THINK YOU WERE KIND OF LOOKING FOR SOME GRAND OVERVIEW.
UM, ALICE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHANGE FROM FOUR TO SIX WITH WESTERN NEWBURN, UM, WITH THINGS SUCH AS SEWER CAPACITY AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN WARD SIX, I THINK THAT HIGHWAY 70 AS IT IS NOW IS A GOOD DIVIDING LINE.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 70, MOVING IN WARD SIX WOULD BE MORE COMMERCIAL BASE, WHICH WOULD NOT HAVE POPULATIONS RIGHT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME NEW HOUSES CONTINUING IN CRAIGIEBURN FOREST AREAS.
SO I THINK, AND GIVE WORK FOR THAT ABILITY TO EXPAND.
THERE'S AND THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS AROUND CRAVING CARERS AS WELL.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LIMITED CAPACITY AS FAR AS HOUSING DEVELOP OR ANY DEVELOPMENT RULES.
AND THEN THE LAST, LAST THING, SCOTT, AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO OVERSIMPLIFY OR, OR DILUTE THIS PROCESS, BUT, AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THIS, BUT IF THE CITY WERE TO DECIDE THAT WE DON'T WANT WARDS ANYMORE AND EVERYBODY WOULD BE VOTED ON AT LARGE, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO MINORITY REPRESENTATION BASED OFF OF POPULATION, HOW ONE ORGANIZES THE ELECTION, IT GOING TO BE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS IS THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BY MOVING A STREET, ONE BLOCK OVER ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER.
THIS IS GOING TO DILUTE THE MINORITY REPRESENTATION BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY THE POPULATION THAT COMES IN ON THE CENSUS.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE TWO WARS.
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RELATIVE TO HIS QUESTION, JUST TO STEP BEYOND THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO BASED ON THE EMAIL WE GOT WITH SENATE BILL 7 22? UM, DO WE NEED TO SAY WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE ELECTION IS MARCH THE RUNOFF, POTENTIALLY APRIL, MAY THE, WE NEED TO SET THE FACT THAT WE WOULD THEN, UM, SEE THE NEW BOARD, THE END OF JUNE.I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO ON THAT AND TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION LET'S DO LET'S TALK THAT THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
I HAD TO ASK SOME COLLECTIONS.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE IT PROJECTED GROWTH ISSUES, ALICE IS PROBABLY IN THE BEST POSITION TO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF BUYOUTS OR AREAS THAT MAY LOSE SOME POPULATION DO FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ALLISON DIRECTLY AND JUST VISUALLY, WHICH COULD CHANGE.
I GET WITH WHAT ALDERMAN OLDEN IS SAYING.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT AND THE PROCESS, BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK NOT JUST TODAY, TOMORROW YOU HAVE TO THINK 10 YEARS, THERE'S TWO ELECTIONS WITHIN THE CENSUS WHEN WE DO IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE GOVERNMENT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE AT THIS NUMBER NOW.
RIGHT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT ARE STILL TWO ELECTIONS THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN WE CHANGE THIS.
MA'AM TO GIVE YOU A SILLY EXAMPLE, IF WE KNEW THAT AN AREA AND AN AWARD WAS GOING TO BE BOUGHT OUT IN A THOUSAND, PEOPLE WERE GOING TO LEAVE, MOVE ON AND THEY WERE MINORITIES.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
BUT WE CAN ONLY THE PISTOL BALTIMORE.
WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU GO TO LIKE THIS, UH, HOUSING COMPLEX CAROLINA, WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT MARK ALL MINORITIES ARE GONNA FEEL IT JUST BECAUSE MAJORITY OF THEM MAY HAVE COME FROM COURT PRECISELY.
WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH THESE CURRENT NUMBERS AND LEAVE ALL THE ROOM WE CAN TO MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THAT'S THE POINT? THAT IS NOT SIMPLE.
AND I JUST, THAT NEWS IS NOT THE DISCUSSION.
AND ONCE WE GET, SO SCOTT, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR SAYING IS WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE WAR IN WARD FIVE WITH A 50.5% MINORITY MAJORITY, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE CUSHION AND THERE'S ENOUGH NUMBERS TO, TO GIVE, CREATE THOSE CUSHIONS SO THAT WE DON'T DISENFRANCHISE ANYONE.
THAT'S ALL, AS ONE OF THE THINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT QUESTION.
SO WHEN I BECAME AN ALDERMAN IN 2009, WE DID HAVE AN ORIENTATION PROCESS BACK THEN, BY THE WAY.
BUT WE WERE HANDED THIS NIFTY DEPICT ACTIVITY.
IT WAS A STREET ATLAS AND IT LISTED EVERY STREET, NEWBURN, WHAT WARD IT WAS IN, HOW YOU GET TO END.
IT'S BEEN A GREAT REFERENCE FOR ME, BUT ALICE, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU COULD, BUT I THINK THE BOARD MEMBERS, WHENEVER, WHEN ANYBODY LIKED TO HAVE THIS, PUT IT ON MY TO DO LIST.
I MEAN, I, IT HAS TO BE UPDATED.
I MEAN A CURRENT ONE, A 2021, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S GOT EVERY, AND IT'S COLOR CODED BASED ON YOUR WARD.
AND IT SAYS THAT, BUT IT'S REALLY EASY TO FIND THE STREET OR SOMETHING.
IT MIGHT HELP IN THIS PROCESS.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SEE IT, ALL THE EYES.
AND I LIKE THE SYSTEM IS DOWN AND THEN AT LEAST YOU CAN FIND AND BOOK, IT SHOWS YOU THE STREETS.
JEFF, I HOPE YOUR INTERNET GOES DOWN.
HOW LONG DOES THE PERSON HAVE TO LIVE IN THE WARD BEFORE THEY THINK THEY HAVE TO BE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE FOR THE SEAT THAT YOU'RE RUNNING FOR? THAT'S THE SIMPLE THEY CAN MOVE IN.
AND YOU GET YOUR MAILING ADDRESS CHANGE.
IT SAYS WHEN YOU HAVE TO BE THERE 60 DAYS IS THAT YES, IT IS EITHER 60 OR 90 DAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE IN THAT, IN YOUR WAR TO BE ABLE TO GET ON THE BALLOT.
THE LAST TIME THAT I CHECKED, YES, JUST FOR VOTING RIGHTS SPACE.
WHEN YOU GO AND IT TELLS YOU THE PRACTICE AREA TO BE ABLE TO RUN FOR AN ELECTION.
IT SAID TO, I SAW THAT IT SAID 30 TO 60 DAYS IN YOUR AREA.
AND THAT MAY BE THE VOTING RULE.
THE STATUTE, THE STATUTE DEFINES QUALIFICATION FOR HOLDING OFFICE AS BEING QUALIFIED, TO VOTE FOR THE SEAT THAT YOU'RE RUNNING FOR.
SO IT MAY WELL BE THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO LIVE THERE FOR A MONTH OR TWO TO EVEN VOTE.
AND WHAT ESTABLISHES A PERMANENT ADDRESS FOR YOUR PHYSICAL HOME ADDRESS? THE PRIMARY MEDICINE THAT IS YOUR DOMICILE IS WHERE YOU LIVE AND WHERE YOU INTEND TO REMAIN.
UH, BUT YOU CAN BE TEMPORARILY
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DISLOCATED.YOU CAN BE AT YOUR LAKE HOUSE FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND STILL LIVE AT YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
THOSE ARE TOUGH FACTUAL QUESTIONS, BUT THE LEGAL ANSWER IS SIMPLE.
THE PRACTICAL ANSWER IS TOUGHER.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN YOUR WARD AND YOU CLEARLY MOVE, YOU'RE SITTING IN YOUR SEAT, YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR THE SEAT THAT YOU'RE IN, WHICH MEANS YOU'VE GOT TO BE A RESIDENT OF YOUR WARD OR OFFICE IN YOUR WARD.
UM, I REMEMBER THIS HAPPENED A WHILE BACK, YOU CAN BE ELECTED LIVING IN YOUR WARD VIA ELECTED AND MOVE OUT OF YOUR WARD, CORRECT? NO, SIR.
YOU CANNOT TELL IF YOU'RE NOT LIVING IN YOUR WARD.
YOU ARE NOT, YOU ARE NO, YOU CAN NOT BE AN HOUR, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT IS WHY THE SECOND WARD MANY YEARS AGO WAS IN TO BURN UP ONE STREET TO BURN, UNDERSTAND CLEARLY HAD AN ALDERMAN THAT LIVED IN SOME PLACE AND BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THEY'RE THINKING THEY MIGHT MOVE THERE BECAUSE I FELT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO HALLOWEEN THINGS.
BUT DOES THAT, DOES THAT SAME RULE APPLY FOR THE MAYOR? THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR CAN LIVE ANYWHERE.
HE LIVED OUTSIDE THE CITY, GOT TO RESIDE WHERE YOU CALL BUTTON.
CAUSE HIS VOTE IS THAT LARGE ANYWAY.
I WAS NOT AT, UM, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT IF YOU DID NOT LIVE IN YOUR WARD, YOU COULD NOT BE AT ALL.
YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE WARD THAT YES MA'AM ALL RIGHT.
ARE WE GOOD ON THAT ISSUE FOR THE TIME BEING SEVEN MORE QUESTIONS? ALL GOOD STUFF.
UM, ALICE AND I ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
UM, CAN YOU JUST LET US KNOW, UM, YOU MADE A CLOSED SESSION, THE 1 43, 15, 11 86 TO DISCUSS A PERSONNEL MATTER.
AND SECOND, IS THERE A DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, MOTION, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.