[1. Roll Call]
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I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE JULY 6TH FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.
DON BLACK HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
[2. Presentation of Certificates of Appreciation for Planning and Zoning Board service.]
FIRST BIT OF IT IS BITTERSWEET.I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS DIRECTLY TO MARCO PALLOR, WHO HAS SERVED THIS FOR VERY ACTIVELY AS A RESULT OF THE
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DID BEFORE YOU CAME HERE.
YOU WERE VERY QUIET IN THE BEGINNING, BUT EVERY MEETING THAT I'VE BEEN WITH YOU AT THE NEWS, YOU VERY STUDIOUS WITH THE WORK AND HE PROVED TO BE A VERY VALUABLE AMENDMENT.
I REALLY LOOKED UP, I KNOW THAT, UH, IN THE PAST YOU WERE A PRINCIPAL OF AMINO CITY.
WE USED TO CALL THEM 600 SCHOOL.
WE ACTUALLY, YOU WORKED IN THE SAME COUNTY THAT YOU WORKED IN DOBBS FERRY.
WELL, I USED TO WORK AT, DONALD'S PROBABLY ALSO REALLY EARLY, EARLY TO NEW YORK, WHICH IS TO MAKE THE TIME.
WELL, I LOOKED AT A HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEN, UM, I WENT TO THE SAME SCHOOL AND THEN A PLACE MULTIPLE
WE HAVE A LOT OF TIMES, OH YEAH.
I'M FROM MEETING MY RELATIVES, MY AUNTS CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL.
I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT, THAT WASN'T EASY.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL MY SERVERS.
I THINK WE ALL GET PRESENT AND WE REALLY PRETTY CONSERVATIVE.
AND I THINK THIS BOARD IS GOING TO MISS
BUT YOU DON'T WANNA MISS YOU GUYS.
I WAS HONORED TO HAVE SEVERAL MINUTES FOR THE TIME THAT I DID.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO COMING TO THE MEETING BECAUSE IT WAS MAGNIFICENT.
I HAD ALL NEW YORKERS AND I'M ALWAYS LIKE, JEFF, YOU HAVE NOT.
WE'RE SAYING TO JIM AND I LOOK FORWARD GOING TO THE GYM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL SUPPORT AND YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND
DOES ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD THEIR, UM,
[3A. Overlook Holdings, LLC is requesting general subdivision plan approval for “Bayberry Park Subdivision, Phase 3” a 51-lot residential development. This section of the multi-phase development is located on 21.41 +/- acres in the R-8 Residential District. The site is located off Bayberry Park Drive and Cinnamon Run in the Carolina Colours community.]
US THE NEW BUSINESS.THE FIRST
THE SITE IS LOCATED OFF PAPERY PARK DRIVE AND CINNAMON BRIGHTON IN THE CAROLINA CALLS.
MR. RICHIE AREA, CAN WE HAVE A STAFF OF YOU? WE CAN, AS LONG AS WE ASK THAT TO THANK YOU, MR.
YOU SAID 29, 41 ACRES, AVERAGE LOT SIZE AND 10,000 1, 3 30 NEW STREETS JUST SHY OF 3000 CITY OF NEWBORN UTILITY ARROWS.
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PROXIMATE AREA.THAT DEPARTMENT GENERAL PLANS MAY APPOINT 21 SUBSTANTIALLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.
FIRST APPROVAL STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE SEPARATION PLAN, $5 TECHNICAL AND LEGAL PHARMACY.
AGAIN, ALL SUBDIVISION PLAN, BEEN SATISFIED.
THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, PHASE THREE COMMENTS, VERY FEW COMMENTS.
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE A, HOW WE SOLD ANY OF THE LOFTS OFF OF, UM, ONYX LINE I'VE GOTTEN IT'S ALREADY.
YEAH, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT'D BE MATERIAL, BUT IT'S NICE TO STAY INFORMED ON.
DOES THE APPLICANT PRESENT, DOES HE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS BOARD? OKAY.
ONLY IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE APPROVAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? HAVING HEARD ABOUT WHAT YOU HEARD, NOT ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK FOR HAVING HEARD NONE.
I SEE A CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEM A AS WELL.
UM, THE, I NOTICED THE UNDER FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMENTS, IT SAID THEIR HYDRANTS WERE SHOWN ON THE PLANS.
IS THAT BEEN RESOLVED REQUIRED WITH THE LENGTH WE HAVE? WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE SOME, YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THE
YEAH, THEY WERE, THEY WERE ACTUALLY ON THE PLANS.
THEY JUST HADN'T BEEN PICKED UP.
THEY WERE ON THE ORIGINAL PLAN SUBMITTED THEY'RE ALL ON THERE.
WE HAVE A MOTION IS A SECOND OF SECOND.
NOW YOUR ROLL CALL YOU UM, BLACK.
AND I KNOW THAT THE MAN IS THE NEXT
[3B. W. Frank Crayton is requesting general subdivision plan approval for “Derby Park, Phase Seven. A Planned Unit Development”, a 68-lot planned unit development. This section of the multi-phase development is located on 37.98 +/- acres in the R10A and A-5F Residential Districts. The site is located off Elizabeth Avenue.]
ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GREAT.THEN IS REQUESTING GENERAL SUBDIVISION PLAN APPROVAL FOR DERBY BLOCK.
THEY SAID A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, THE 68 BLOCK LAND.
THIS THAT THIS SECTION OF THE MORE FAVORABLE ELEMENT WAS LOCATED ON A PROXIMITY $37 98 ACRES IN THE ARC.
THEN AN EIGHT DASH FIVE 10 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
THE SITE IS LOCATED OFF OF ELIZABETH AVENUE SET.
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE STAFF WITH YOU? YES, SIR.
IT'S THE CLARIFIES ON THE WESTERN TERMINUS? THAT'S THE WESTERN CHARMING NESTA OF ELIZABETH AVENUE.
THE DEVELOPMENT
37.98 ACRES UTILIZE CITY OF NEW BERN UTILITY.
SEE THE PRIVATE SIDE HERE OUTLINED IN BLUE.
ELIZABETH, ARE YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE WITH AVENUE RIGHT OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION? AGAIN, THE VRC REVIEWS RIGHT HERE, PROPRIETOR GENERAL PLAN IN MAY OF 2021 DETERMINED IT'S SUSTAINABLE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL, PROBABLY STARTED VISION PLAN AND FIND ALL THE TECHNICAL AND LEGAL DEPARTMENTS FOR GENERAL STUFF.
THE PLANNING SUBDIVISION PLANNING ARE PRETTY WELL BEING SATISFIED.
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THERE ARE FOUR GENERAL SUBDIVISION PLAN APPROVAL FOR DIRTY PARK.LET ME TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I SEE THE WOODS SUBSTANTIALLY.
UM, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? NOT ESPECIALLY, I THINK IT WAS AS THE TERM THAT STAFF CHOSE AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE RECOMMENDATIONS
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD THAT HAVE, WHEN NOW DEVELOPING SUCH A LARGE PARCEL? IS THIS BECAUSE SOME OF THE AREAS IN W PARK HAS HAD FLOODING ISSUES, HOW IS THAT BEING ADDRESSED WITH THIS STORM WATER RUNOFF? BECAUSE IT'S BACKED UP AND MINE LIVES THERE.
SO I KNOW IT'S FLOODED IN HERS AND I HAD OTHER PROPERTIES.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WITH MORE TREES GOING DOWN.
HOW HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED? UH, THE SIDE WAS OF YOU AND THE COMMENTS YOU HAVE THE DRC COMMENTS ON YOUR PACKET.
UM, THE SITE MEANS ARE SHOWING WATER ALIGNMENTS FOR THE CITY.
THAT SITE MEETS ITS FULL MODERN REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT FOR A 25 YEAR STORM JOY.
THERE WAS A ONE COMMENT FOR PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT THE, UM, DESIGNATED UTILITY EASILY, UH, 20 FEET AND THEY REQUESTED 30.
WE HAPPEN TO HAVE THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS HERE, AS JOHN SAID, HE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT AS WELL.
IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME LOOKING AT THE DRAWING, BUT I WASN'T SURE IT'S LIKE, IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE IT WAS WHEN I WASN'T CLEAR THAT THIS WAS THE REVISED BASED ON THE COMMENTS OR ERIC COMMENTS BEEN ADDRESSED TO THE AFFIRMATIVE AND THE 30 FOOT EASEMENT WAS GRANTED ON THE GENERAL PLAN THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ME NOW.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PARKING BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS TO ADDRESS BEFORE, OKAY.
WAS TO ADDRESS THIS BOARD ON THIS, SOME DOORS IN THE HALL HERE.
UH, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF PUBLIC MAY HAVE, I'LL BE GLAD TO ASK THE QUESTIONS THERE BEFORE YOU, OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW.
ARE YOU, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE ASK ME QUESTIONS.
WE'RE JUST WONDERING IF ELIZABETH
WE WERE JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ENTRANCE AND EXIT OUT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE PARKING AREA ON ELIZABETH AVENUE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IT'S GOING TO BE A STEP OUT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW IT RIGHT DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE MAP I AM.
BUT UNTIL THAT IS DEVELOPED, IT'LL STILL BE IN AND OUT ON ELIZABETH AVENUE.
I KNOW THAT THIS BOARD HAS BEEN SPEAKING TO THE BOARD OF ALL OF THEM AND ABOUT SAFETY AND EGRESS IS GONE SO FAR.
AND I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AFTER WE, UM, GET THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND I SUGGEST THAT YOU SPEAK TO YOUR BOARD OF ALDERMAN ABOUT PROVING IT.
THEY REJECTED IT ONCE READY, AND WE WANTED TO PUT FIRE SAFETY AND WHATNOT.
I'VE BEEN CROSSING THIS BOARD FOR SOME TIME TO HAVE MORE EAGER PRESSES AND, UH, AND WHATNOT, OUR LARGER DEVELOPMENTS.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T NEED IT A SMALLER NUMBER OF UNITS.
I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF SAFETY THAT WE HAVE IT ON THE LARGER NUMBER OF UNITS.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD,
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ADDRESS YOUR ALDERMAN ON THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT INCREASED.THIS BOARD HAS WANTED TO GET IT DONE FOR SOME TIME AND WE'VE BEEN BROKEN DOWN.
EVEN, EVEN WITH THE, THIS NEW SUBDIVISION GOING IN, WE HAVE NO LIMITS.
WE CANNOT LIMIT THE NUMBER OF
THIS BOARD DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THAT LAND USE ORDINANCE ONLY THE BOARD OF THE BOARD.
AND WE'VE BEEN PRESSING THEM FOR THAT FOR SOME TIME.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
I LIVE ON 43, 29 ELIZABETH AVENUE.
AND, UH, WELL THE NEWS, THIS NEWS.
SO IT'S GONNA KINDA MESS UP MY GIVING DIRECTIONS TO MY FRIENDS.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M THE LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT.
OH, LIVE THAT BACK AND TELL EVERYBODY THAT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT LATER, BUT HERE IS MY, UH, SERIOUS REQUEST AND CONCERN.
UH, I MOVED IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, DECEMBER, 2020, AND I REALLY LIKED, UH, I LIKED MY HOUSE AND I LIKE MY, MY LOT I'VE GOT THERE.
AND THE ATTRACTIVE THING ABOUT MY LOT IS I HAD A NATURAL BORDER ON THE BACK WOOD AREA ON THE BACK AND A NATURAL WOODED BORDER ON THE RUG.
SO MY QUESTION IS, AM I GOING TO LOSE THAT, BE PREPARED FOR IT RIGHT HERE? 43, 29, BASED ON THE LEFT SIDE.
WELL, NUMBER ONE, DOES THAT RING A BELL WITH YOU? THE LAST ONE ON THE LIST, LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT.
UM, THE UNDEVELOPED CUL-DE-SAC THAT BUFFER IS GOING TO BE REMOVED.
AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THERE'S A GRINDED FEATURE GOING THROUGH THERE SO THE EXPLANATION IS A DRAINAGE MATTER OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS YOU TRAVEL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, I MEAN, I'M JUST JUNK QCS, BUT I MEAN, AS YOU TRAVEL DOWN ELIZABETH, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT THERE IS A LITTLE WOODED BUFFER BETWEEN SOME, SOME HOUSES, YOU KNOW, AND IT, YOU KNOW, ON THE SIDE OR THE BACK, AND THEN SOME CASES MAY BE DECIDED IN THE BACK.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF, YOU KNOW, IF I WILL LOSE IT, YOU KNOW, THE EXPLANATION IS AS TO WHY I WILL BE LOSING IT.
UM, ON THE SIDE, IT WOULD PROBABLY GO UNLESS YOU CAN TALK TO MR. CREIGHTON VERY NICELY AND ASK HIM, WOULD HE DO SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE THERE, WHICH SOMETIMES WE DO ON THE, ON THE REAR OF YOUR LOT.
THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE COULD LEAVE SOME VEGETATION THERE.
SO YOU'RE NOT LOOKING RIGHT INTO THE BACK OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE.
I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WHY'S AND WHEREFORES ON THE DEVELOPMENT, I GUESS, BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A NICE FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO BE PURCHASING A LOT OR HOME MANDELA TO HAVE A BUFFER AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT ONLY ME, BUT YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PERSON, BUT I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK MR. RIGHT.
BECAUSE, UH, IF YOU JUST, I MEAN, I CAN'T SEE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE BOTH OF YOU.
AND WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK TO, UH, THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY THE LOT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE SIDE YOU FRONT, SO ELIZABETH FAMILY, NOT ON THE, THE ROAD COMING INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
SO YOU LIKE YOUR NEIGHBOR OWNS A LAYUP, SO TO SPEAK.
JUST, JUST SOMETHING, JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF A NATURAL BOARD.
NOW, I GUESS YOU ALL MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS AND I'VE TAKEN ENOUGH OF YOUR TIME AS I GET YOUR NAILS WERE, I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE.
I CAN PASS THAT ON TO MR. CREIGHTON TO TALK TO HIM AND PLEAD MY CASE.
UH, AND AGAIN, UH, BENEFICIAL.
NOT ONLY TO ME, BUT WHOEVER ELSE MAY WANT TO BUY THE LOT OR WE RUN INTO THAT OCCASIONALLY AND MOST TIMES WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE.
ANYBODY GOT A QUESTION TO ME? THANK YOU FOR YOU HERE AND YOUR TIME.
DEREK THOMPSON, 4 0 3 SARATOGA LAKE.
UM, MY QUESTION REVERTS BACK TO MARGIE'S QUESTION REGARDING DRAINAGE.
I UNDERSTAND THIS SPECIFIC AREA HAS ITS OWN DRAINAGE.
I ASSUMED THAT IT WOULDN'T IMPACT THE OTHER DRAINAGE FACILITIES IN THIS AREA ALREADY BEING THAT THERE ARE MANY, UH, RETENTION, PONDS.
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SHOWING THUS FAR BY ADDING THESE 68 UNITS WOULD IMPACT THE PRE-EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE? UM, DO YOU HAVE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT GOES THROUGH AND AS WE'VE BEEN BY PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, I, I CAN, I CAN ANSWER THAT AS FAR AS THE ANSWER OF THE DRAINAGE STUDY OF DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS AND THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, UM, EXCEPT, BUT OUR RULES, WE ARE REQUIRED TO REVIEW WHAT'S IN THAT RED LINE.AS FAR AS WITH THE ASSUMPTION BEING THAT EVERYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, IT WAS ALSO REVIEWED UNDER THOSE SAME SET OF RULES.
SO IN THEATER, THEY ALL FIT TOGETHER AND IT WORKS NICE.
UM, THERE'S SOME PARTS OF NEW RUN THAT DIFFERENT SET OF SOME WATER RULES, SOMETIMES NO STORM WATER, AND THAT'S WHERE OUR PROBLEMS OCCUR.
BUT THE ISSUE IS WHERE, WHERE IS THE PROBLEM DOWNSTREAM? AND PUTTING FOUR MILES AWAY COULD BE TWO MILES AWAY, COULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO CITI, AS A FIELD, HASN'T DONE THAT TOTALLY EXHAUSTED KIND OF STRANGE STUDY ENTIRE BASINS AROUND THE CITY.
UM, BUT THESE INDIVIDUAL SUBDIVISION THAT THEY'VE COME IN TODAY ARE REVIEWED BY OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF.
AND THEY ARE DESIGNED BY, BY OUR LOCAL CODE AND STATE STATUTE AND STATE LAW TO ACCOMMODATE A 25 YEAR STORM EVENT.
AND THIS ONE DOES THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SWELLS AND THE OLDER PARTS OF DERBY PARK HAD BEEN NEEDING SOME MAINTENANCE FOR SOME TIME NOW.
SO I GUESS IT JUST COMES INTO CONCERN.
IF THIS WERE TO PUSH MORE WATER DOWN THE STRING OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, I'D LIKE TO REVERT BACK TO THE PARKING CONCERN.
UM, THE OLDER PARTS OF DERBY PARK SURREY DOWNS, UH, MOST CERTAINLY ARE CONGESTED.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, CURRENTLY NEWBURN POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES PROVIDE A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER DURING SCHOOL HOURS TO DIRECT TRAFFIC ON ELIZABETH AVENUE AND RACETRACK ROAD.
UM, AND IT HAS COME TO BE A CONCERN WITH ADDITIONAL LOTS BEING ADDED IN, AND THAT COULD CREATE MORE, UH, NEED FOR SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE, LIKE POSSIBLY A STOPLIGHT THAT'S ONLY OPERATIONAL DURING SCHOOL HOURS.
UM, ESPECIALLY WITH MORE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, CHILDREN ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL, OUTSIDE THE CURB.
I GUESS THE CONCERN WOULD BE ADDITIONAL 68 LOTS.
LET'S SAY 20% WITH CHILDREN POSSIBLY IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AREA.
YOU'RE INCREASING CAPACITY FOR THE ALREADY STRESSED INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN THAT I'VE HEARD AMONGST THE NEIGHBORS IS JUST, UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE CONNECTING THIS TO THE WESTERN RIVER, EXCEPT THAT STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT IS INTENDED TO ACTUALLY CONNECT.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS? I'LL JUST KIND OF ADD ONE MORE.
UH, STEVE STRICKLAND, BELMONT BOULEVARD,
AND I KNOW THAT THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO ENSURE THAT THIS SITE NEEDS IT TO PLAN.
I ALSO VERY READILY ADMIT THAT IT IS UNFAIR TO PENALIZE ANY CERTAIN DEVELOPER FOR THEIR PROJECT AND THEIR REQUESTED PROJECTS BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THEM THAT ARE BEYOND THEIR PURVIEW.
YOU GUYS ARE LEFT WITH THE TASK OF DECIDING WHETHER IT'S MORE UNFAIR TO MR. CREIGHTON TO MAKE HIS ISSUE WORSE WITH THIS RIGHT HERE FROM AFAR TO IMPAIR HIS ABILITY TO USE HIS PROPERTY VERSUS FURTHER COMPOUNDING A MAYBE NOT WELL DOCUMENTED IN THE FORM OF A STUDY, BUT VERY WELL KNOWN AMONGST ALL THE PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODING ISSUE THAT EXISTS FURTHER DOWNSTREAM.
THERE MAY NOT BE A STUDY THAT SAYS IT, BUT WE'VE HEARD THE MAYOR AT BOARD OF BALTIMORE MEETINGS MULTIPLE TIMES SAY THERE WERE TWO VERY LARGE PIPES THAT COME TOGETHER AND GO INTO ONE VERY LARGE.
THAT'S THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION THAT EVERYONE THAT LIVES OVER THERE FACES.
I LIVE ON BELMONT BOULEVARD, WAY FAR AWAY FROM THE WATER.
WE HAVE TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE WITHOUT THIS BECAUSE OF TWO LARGE PIPES THAT COME TOGETHER AND FEED OFF IN ONE BLOCK.
SO I JUST REQUEST THAT THE BOARD PLEASE CONSIDER AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR OWN AND APPROVING THE PROJECT THAT YOUR DECISION IS EITHER IMPAIRING HIS ABILITY OR IMPAIRING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
AND THAT HAD NO OTHER OPTIONS TO DEAL WITH AGAIN, EXCEPT THE FACT THAT IT'S BEYOND HIS CONTROL, BUT WHERE THERE'S A KNOWN PROBLEM, HOW TO APPROVE A PROJECT, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT PROBLEM WORSE WITHOUT SOMETHING BEING DONE TO ADDRESS
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IT.I KNOW YOUR POWERS ARE LIMITED.
SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THAT IT IS A VERY KNOWN PROBLEM.
NOT ONLY IN THIS, THIS GENERAL SECTION, BUT AS A PROFILES, I'M PROBABLY A HALF MILE AWAY FROM THIS AND STILL HAVE TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE OF THE JOB AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
FOR THE BUSINESS AND FINANCIAL ED SIDE TO MAKE THAT KNOWN DEBBIE.
HOW CAN WE SERVE THE CITY AND IN NUMEROUS CAPACITIES AND WAS PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AS WELL, MR. FOR HERE IN DENVER, AS WHAT HE SAID, APPARENTLY DO HIS OWN EXISTING FLOODING ISSUES, MARK HIS TESTIMONY BEFORE SOMEBODY THERE.
UM, HOW WELL IS THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM WORKING PRESENTLY? YOU SAY IT'S A 25 YEAR.
UM, THAT'S WHAT OUR DESIGN ENGINEER DESIGN STANDARDS, NEW SUBDIVISIONS TWENTY-FIVE YEAR STORM, WHICH IS HOW MUCH RAIN IN 24 HOURS, EIGHT INCHES OF RAIN WHEN MS. DRINKIN SAID IS TRUE SYMBOL, BASICALLY CREDIBLE, UH, THE LIGHTS THAT FUNNEL WATER INTO 1 65.
AND WE NOTICED IT'S OFFSITE FROM THIS PROJECT IN THIS PROJECT CAN DO NOTHING TO HELP THAT, BUT MEET THE RULES OF THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S PRESENTED TO THEM, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE.
UM, SO AS MR. STRICKLAND WAS SAYING, IT IS OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF HIS BOARD, UM, AS YOU SAID, AND THIS TO SHARE EARLIER, IF THERE'S SOMETHING, UM, THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN TAKE THAT ISSUE UP.
AND, UH, IF IT'S SOMETHING, ANY BOARD MEMBER OR ANY CITIZEN LISTENING WANTS TO DO, THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY CONTACT THEIR ALDERMAN AND SHARE THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, WE HAVE THE TECHNICAL DETAIL, UM, AND FACTS OF THE BASIN KIND OF WITH US.
UM, BUT WE ARE, UM, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
JUST NOW THE RECENT FLOODING THAT WE'VE HAD IN THIS BUSINESS, AS OPPOSED TO ANY SAFETY HAZARD FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, MR. THOMAS, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE FLOODING CAPACITY AND, AND THE, AND THE PIPES DOWN RIVER, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR SITE, BUT IS IT CONCERN TO ME HEARING ALL THESE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CREDIBLE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS OCCURRING DOWNSTREAM AS FAR AS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO FLOODING? WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NINE DOWNSTREAM AS MY BIZ ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
WELL, WHAT I JUST SAID NOW, BEING OUT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES, UH, THROUGHOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY, MARCH, WE HAD SOME TORRENTIAL RAINS, THE PONDS WERE EMPTY.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY WERE FULL.
UH, WE WERE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT PIPE SIZES AND THINGS LIKE THAT DOWNSTREAM, THERE IS, UM, SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUES OUT THERE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED, UH, MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
SO HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE PIPES.
WHAT ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ON SITE ITSELF? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OUTBURSTS PROPER THE PIECE THAT YOU'RE DOING THE APPLICATION FOR? CAN THAT BE IMPROVED? IT WOULD, IT WOULDN'T.
I MEAN, IF, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING TO LEAVE THE SITE RIGHT NOW IS WHAT RUNS ALL IN A WOOD WOODLANDS TYPE SITUATION.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE SUBMITTED THAT REPORT AND THE PLANS AND EVERYTHING'S IN THE CITY'S HANDS AND IT'S DESIGNED BEST.
I CAN TELL BY THE CITY ORDINANCES DESIGNED BY THE STATE ORDINANCES.
UH, THIS IS A LOW DENSITY PROJECT.
WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PUT PONDS AND STORMWATER FEATURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THERE, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERN ABOUT DOWN SPRINGS.
UH, WE HAVE SOME PODS ON THERE TO MITIGATE THE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS, BASICALLY WHAT WE DO.
WE STORE IN THERE, RESIDENTS THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES AND NOT LIVING DOWN SCREENING.
THERE ARE ON THE SITE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SIDE.
APPARENTLY THE RESIDENT'S DOWNSTREAM AS WELL.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M FOLLOWING WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS AND IT'S NOW
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HAS ALL THE DUE DILIGENCE WHILE YOU'RE APART, BUT APPARENTLY IT SATISFIED THE TOWN AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE RESTRICTED IF IT'S APPROVED AND, AND, AND, UH, WE BASICALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF THE, OF THE ZONING BOARD.AND, UM, I, WELL, I'M NOT ENTIRELY COMFORTABLE.
WELL, I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE, MORE THAN ME, WHAT THE RULES AND THE STATUTE SAYS, INCLUDING WHAT THE STATE RULES ON WE'VE GONE BEYOND AND TRYING TO STORE WATER DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS HAD TO DO WITH WHEN THE WATER GETS THERE.
AND SO THERE'S A PEAKING THING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DELAY THAT WE'RE STORING WATER ON SITE IN THESE PONDS.
AND THEN AFTER THE RAINFALL EVENT, THEY WILL START DISCHARGING.
WOULD THEY BE DISCHARGED A LITTLE BIT DURING THE RAINFALL EVENT, WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE ON SOMETHING CALLED PRE DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF AND THEN POST DEVELOPMENT.
THE REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS.
AND IF YOU LOOKED AT, FOR THE PARTICULAR STORM THAT WE RAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE NOT DISCHARGING IN THAT STORM A BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE ALL RIGHT NOW, AFTER THIS DEVELOPED, IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE RIGHT NOW.
IF, IF IT'S STILL IN THE DEVELOPER'S NAME, PROBABLY TO THE DEVELOPER, IF IT IS ASSOCIATION WRITTEN UP, IF IT'S, IF IT'S PLA UNDER SHIFT IN THERE AROUND THE PLA THE POA, GETTING INFORMATION ON HOW TO GET UP WITH ANYBODY IN THE FIELD, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY MEMBER OF THIS BOARD BEING HELPFUL, CONSIDERING THE LARGE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT, AND THE NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED? IT MAY BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THIS BOARD TO TABLE, THIS PARTICULAR PLAN FOR THESE ISSUES, AND MAYBE COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, UM, TO, TO HAVE MAYBE A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION WITH MORE PATIENTS.
THERE ARE MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD ALREADY EXPRESSING, UM, THAT, UM, SENTIMENTS.
UH, SO AS FOR ME, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS TABLE THIS.
SO IT'S PROBABLY HAS MORE TIME AND WE HAVE MORE TIME WITH THE STUDY IS LOOSE AND SAID, IS THERE, IS THERE A CONSENSUS ON THAT? I AGREE.
I AGREE WITH TABLING AT THIS POINT, THE MOTION OF TABLING
I THINK I HEARD MS. SHOUTS MOTION TO BE ABLE TO MEET AND TO TABLE THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS AUGUST.
AUGUST 5TH, AUGUST 5TH AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CONFERENCE ROOM, I THINK, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? MY MICHELLE? YES.
SO WE ASK THEM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND THAT MOTION, UH, NADIA VOCAL UPSET THE ROLL CALL.
[3C. Hudson Carolina Colours Development, LLC on behalf of New Market HDS, LLC is requesting general subdivision plan approval for “Redivision of Plat H-1A, Parcel #4” a 3-lot multifamily residential and commercial development. This development is located on 34.85 +/- acres in the C-3 Commercial District. The site is located off Waterscape Way in the Carolina Colours community.]
BRINGS US TO ITEM THREE CITYTHIS DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED ON THE 13TH BEFORE 9 8, 5 8
IS THERE A STAFF REVIEW? IS THERE THINKING THAT THE CHAIRMAN HUDSON CAROLINA COLORS FELT AN LLC NEW MARKET
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WATERS, GATEWAY AND CAROLINA TELLERS, WESTERN US HIGHWAY 17 COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED GENERAL PLAN FOR REVISION AND PLAT 88.THE REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE 11.61 TOTAL AREA OF DEDICATED IN THIS CASE, RIGHT AWAY, POINT 76 ACRES, TOTAL AREAS 34.8, FIVE EIGHT, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH UTILITIES THROUGH THE PROPERTY HERE, LOCATED ACROSS FROM EXISTING HARRIS THEATER, TRAFFIC CENTER, GATEWAY, GOING DOWN TO THE CUL-DE-SAC VISION MAP QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU SEND THAT IS CUT THAT OUT.
IT'S NOT PART OF, IT'S NOT PART OF THIS LOCATION OR THIS OR THAT.
IT'S NOTHING AS A PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, THE CEMETERY LOCATED OVER HERE, OUTSIDE? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY MAYBE PERTINENT TO THIS, BUT IT IS TO IT.
YOU STATE THAT IT'S INSIDE CAROLINA COLORS.
SO IS IT GOING TO BE INSIDE CAROLINA COLORS AS MEMBERS AS A RESIDENTIAL, OR IS GOING TO BE OUTSIDE THAT THE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX WILL NOT BE PART OF THE CAROLINA COLORS, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, NOR WILL THEY HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO ANY OF THE AMENITIES? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE WAY IT WAS READ IS IS ANDY CAROLINA COLORED.
HE'S LIKE, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY UNITS IS CONVENIENT? I'M JUST CURIOUS, 240.
THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WAS THERE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE? NOT FOR THE SEVEN DAYS, SORRY.
THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DOWN FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON FEBRUARY.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY RESULTED IN SOME SUBSTANTIAL TRAFFIC IMPROVE UPSIDE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
WELL, BUT REALLY BY THE TIME THIS GETS UP AND OFF THE GROUND, THE HIGHWAYS WILL HAVE ALL THIS CHANGE AND WE HAVE A 42, THE ON-RAMPS AND OFF-RAMPS.
SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME SPOTLIGHT THAT ONLY LASTS ABOUT 10 SECONDS.
WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE? I THINK THE MOST SIGNIFICANT JORDAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WAS, UH, ATTRACT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UM, WHICH WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.
AND WHEN I SAID GO BACK, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THIS WILL BE DEVELOPED, WE HAVE HERE.
AND IF YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GET OUT OF HARRIS TEETERS, WHICH IS TO COME DOWN AND PULL THE MAIN CURRENT RIGHT THERE.
AND IF WE HAVE 240 APARTMENT UNITS DUMPING OFF THEIR ACCESS HERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONFLICT.
PEOPLE COMING OUT, PEOPLE TURNING AROUND PEOPLE COMING OUT OF HERE.
SO WE WORK WITH, WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANT FOR MONTHS, RIGHT? THIS WAS MANY MONTHS, UM, GOT A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AND THEY HAVE, UH, AGREED TO, UH, PUT IN THAT OFFSITE TRAFFICS.
AND WE HAD JUST TO CONTROL THAT TRAFFIC FLOW BECAUSE A LOT OF CONFLICT POINTS THERE ON TIME.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, NOT THE SUBDIVISION, BUT RIGHT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THERE'S NO FOREST THERE.
NUMBER ONE, IT'S ALREADY GONE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MEMBERS, BOARD FOR STAFF DOES THE APPLICANT WISHED TO ADDRESS FURTHER? UH, MY NAME IS MATTHIAS LINDEN WITH HUDSON CAPITAL PROPERTY IS THE DEVELOPER
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OF THE APARTMENT.SOME HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION OR ELABORATE, AND THEN YOU EXPECT CONSTRUCTION TO START.
PROBABLY SOMETIME THIS FALL, WE WOULD HAVE WAY AT THIS POINT, THE ENTERTAIN, A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM AS WRITTEN, UM, THE, UM, THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT NOW WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN SECONDED, UH, THAT THE ROLL CALL FROM DON BLACK.
NOW WE WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME DANNY HILL
STEPH, WHEN YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA
I MEAN, YOU CAN ASK GEORGE IS, BUT YEAH.
HE'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR A QUESTION AND ANSWER, RIGHT.
I THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
THEN WE KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR MONTHS.
I THINK WE'LL KNOW THE ANSWER.
WELL, EVEN ALL THE SOLUTIONS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE CORRECT.
YOU COULD REVISIT THIS AFTER THE COMMENTS IN COURTEOUS TO HELL.
[3D. Question and answer session with Danny Hill, City of New Bern Fire Marshal.]
OF THE BOARD, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING YOURSELF AVAILABLE TO US.WE, AS YOU HEARD, WE HAD SAFETY.
IF HE WAS BEING BROUGHT UP ABOUT ACCESS TO THINGS THAT WE COULD TRY AND DEPRESS IT AFFORDABLE, YOU ALREADY AGREED THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, I'M SURE YOU SET YOUR, UH, ADDRESS TO US AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO TELL US.
UM, AGAIN, I HAVE ANY HUNDRED FIVE MARKS FOR THE CITY OF DAVID AND, UM, ON BEHALF OF CHIEF BOYD, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE.
UM, I'LL SET UP US ON A SIDE SHOW.
WE'LL GO THROUGH AND JUST, UH, REAL QUICK.
DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT WHO KNEW HER PRIOR COMPANY IS? AND THEN WE'LL, I'LL ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH, UM, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE GOING ON AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE FIREWALL OR YOU PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT ARE, THAT THE CITIZENS EXPECT US TO PROVIDE.
SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS SET UP, UM, WHEN THE FIRE CHIEF IS AS THE HAN, WE HAVE TWO DIVISIONS.
WE HAVE THE SUPPRESSION DIVISION AND THE PREVENTION DIVISION, UM, AGAIN TO PREVENTION DIVISION IS ONE OF Y'ALL DEAL WITH MOST OF THE TIME BECAUSE IT DEALS WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE FIREWALL REALLY IS RUNNING TWO ENTITIES UNDER ONE, HEADING A SERVICES AND DANDY CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, THE VISION.
SO YOU CAN GO RIGHT AHEAD AND SET.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE JUST SOME RELEVANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE, ON THE FIREBOMBING ITSELF AND WHAT OUR 2020 LITTLE LIGHT.
UM, WE RAN IN 2100 CALLS LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS A 7% INCREASE, UM, FROM THE YEAR PRIOR.
IF I WEREN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR INVESTIGATING EVERY FIRE THAT'S REPORTED TO IT.
UM, THE FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION INVESTIGATED 54 FIRES LAST YEAR.
UM, THE WAY THAT TYPICALLY WORKS IS IF IT'S A SET FIRE, WE'D GET THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INVOLVED, WE'LL WORK A JOINT INVESTIGATION.
THIS IS NOT EVERY FRIDAY THAT WAS INVESTIGATED.
THIS IS THE ONES THAT THE FIRE PERMIT.
THE STAFF ACTUALLY OPENED UP AN INVESTIGATION CASE ON,
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UH, WE ISSUED 87 APARTMENTS.WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC? IF YOU NEED A PERMIT THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE FIRE CODE, NOT TO BE ABLE TO COPE WITH THE FIRE CODE, THEY COME TO US TO GET, IF IT'S, IF IT'S A BUILDING CODE, MECHANICAL CODE PLUMBING CODE THAT COME SEE JIF STAFF AND GET ONE FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS OFFICE, WE ISSUED 87 OF THOSE LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS 18% INCREASE.
WE CAN DO, UM, PUBLIC EDUCATION TO 200 ON THE I'M SORRY, THE 2100 PEOPLE.
AND AS A DECREASE TO 75%, THAT IS BECAUSE OF NOT BEING IMBUED INTO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.
UM, BECAUSE IT COULD MATCH WHERE A LOT OF THAT COMES FROM.
WE INSTALLED 196 SMOKE ALARMS IN HOUSES AS 18% INCREASE.
EVERY TIME WE'D GO TO OCTOBER RESIDENT FOR, FOR AN EMERGENCY ELDER THAN MOST ON MEDICAL CALLS BECAUSE OF JUST THERE'S NOBODY LEFT THAT HOUSE WHEN THERE'S A MEDICAL CALL THAT BECAUSE THEIR MOMS GO TO THE HOSPITAL, WE CHECK THE SMOKE ALARMS, WE CHECK CARBON MONOXIDE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WORKING.
UM, THE BEST WAY TO PREVENT A LOSS OF LIFE IN A FIRE HAS HAD OPERATED SMOKE, ALARM FIRE, PUBLIC CONDUCTED 15,000 HOURS OF TRAINING.
AGAIN, A DECREASE FROM NORMAL BECAUSE THE COVID ALL TRAVEL WAS SHUT DOWN IN FOR MORE TRAINING, EVEN INSIDE THE STATION WAS CURTAILED.
UM, BECAUSE OF EVERYBODY PILING UP IN ONE SPACE, WE DID MAINTENANCE AND BLOOD TESTING ON 1400 FIREFIGHTERS.
UM, JORDAN'S, UM, JESUS' GROUP FROM ENGINEERING.
THEY DO ALL THE, ALL THE REPAIRS TO THE HYDRANTS, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CALLS FOR GO AROUND AND MAKING SURE THAT THE HYDRANTS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, SERVICE.
WE DO ALL THE GRAZING, THE OLIN, WE DO THE TEST AND GOVERNMENT MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE WORKING PROPERLY AND THAT WE FIND THAT IT'S NOT WORKING.
WE DO A WORK ORDER, SEND IT TO ENGINEERING AND, UM, THE WATER SOURCE STAFF MAKE IT REPAIRS.
UH, WE HAVE A KNOX BOX PROGRAM, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY THE, UH, FIRE CODE.
UM, WHAT THAT IS, IS I SAY MASTER BOX SYSTEM ON THE BUILDINGS.
SO IF YOU HAVE A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, I WANT YOUR BUSINESS.
THERE'S A BOX AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE ON MOST BUILDINGS THAT HAS A MASTER KEY TO GET US INTO THE BUILDING.
WHAT THAT DOES IS IT KEEPS US FROM HAVING TO WAIT FOR YOU TO COME A LOT, TO BUILD IN US, AND ALSO KEEPS US ENDED UP BEING THAT WE FILLED THE NEED TO GET INTO BUILDING IN A HURRY.
WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BUS DOWN A $2,000 STORE FRONT DOOR FOR A FALSE ALARM.
SO IT'S A LITTLE LITERALLY INSURANCE ON THE BUSINESS OWNER SIDE TO BE ABLE TO GET US INTO BUILDING WITHOUT MAKING DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING.
THIS IS CONTROLLED ACCESS IS CONTROLLED THROUGH A SYSTEM THAT IS MANAGED BY THE POLICE PUMPER COMMUNICATION CENTER, WHERE THEY HAD TO RELEASE THE KEY, ADD THE FIRETRUCK FOR US TO EVEN USE IT.
SO WE CAN'T JUST WALK AROUND THE CITY WITH A MAGIC KEY TO EVERYBODY'S BUILDING, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT.
ALSO PRE PLANNING OR PRE-PLANNING ALL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
LAST YEAR, WE UPDATED 132, UM, NOT, OR, UM, PRE PLANS OR CREATING NEW ONES ON NEW EXISTING BUILDINGS.
HOW OLD ARE YOU? YOU CAN SEE HOW IT BROKE DOWN AMONGST THE THREE STATIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, FARMER ROAD SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THEY WERE RUNNING LESS THAN 25 CALLS A YEAR ROAD.
FIRE STATION COVERS EVERYTHING EAST OF THE RIVER AS FIRST DID, THEY WERE RUNNING ABOUT 25 CALLS A YEAR.
UM, AND AS A, UM, AROUND 2000 15, 16, 17, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE UP TO 124 AND THAT'S CLIMBING EVERY DAY.
THE GROWTH IS WHAT'S GETTING US OVER THERE FOR THAT.
YOU SAID, THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN OF, OF HOW WE RESPOND COMPARED TO THE NATIONAL PARK PROTECTION ASSOCIATIONS ON STANDARDS.
THEY CONTROL, YOU SEE A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE, BUT WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER IS THIS OUT THE DOOR TIMES.
AND WE'RE MEETING THAT ANYWHERE FROM 70 TO 85% OF THE TIME THAT IS GETTING FROM THE TIME THE DISPATCHER NOTIFIES US OF A CALL TO THE TIME WE GET OUT THE DOOR.
IN OUR CASES, WE SHOULD HAVE THE FIRST NEW PIECE OF EQUIPMENT ON SCENE.
WITHIN FOUR MINUTES, WE CAN SEE THURMAN WROTE IT, OR DAD AT 46%.
WE'RE DOWN ONLY MAKE THAT AT 64%, THAT IS DUE TO THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND TO TRAVEL TIME THAT WE HAVE FROM THE FIRE STATION
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TO THESE OUTER PARTS THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED.AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE ON THAT SAME, WHICH THEY CALL THE EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE EIGHT MINUTES.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR THERMO RUG, WE'RE DOWN TO 75% AND 85% AND EVEN 80% HECK BECAUSE OF THE EQUIPMENT HAVING TRAVELED INTO THOSE AREAS OR BACK OUT THE SENIOR DRUPAL WE HAVE FOR REFIRE.
IT COVERED THE WHOLE CITY THREE FIREFIGHTERS, ONE AT EACH STATION.
UM, SO IF, WHEN WE HAVE A HOUSE FIRE, WE HAVE TO SIN TWO ENGINES, THE LA, A LOT OF TRUCK AND A SERVICE TRUCK.
SO IF IT'S OUT OF PLEASANT HILL, EVERYTHING FROM DOWNTOWN, JUST HAVING TO GO OUT THERE, PLUS THE ONE TRUCK FROM THERMO ROADS, HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT, AND SOMEBODY TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET OUT.
AND THERE'S LONG TRAVEL TIME, SAME THING, THE FIRE WE HAD OVER YOUR OWN IN THE HARDY FARMS A MONTH AGO.
NOW, MAYBE THERE ARE HAVING TO WAIT FOR THE TRUCKS TO COME FROM DOWNTOWN TO GET ALL THE WAY OUT THERE.
THEY KNOW THAT IT WAS ON A, UH, ON AN AFTERNOON THAT IT WAS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC, RSA, UM, GROVE Y'ALL.
THIS BOARD HAS SAYING THE GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY, CAUSE IT COMES TO Y'ALL FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT, BUT THERE ARE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVEN'T, UM, FROM ALICE, YOU CAN SEE ELIZABETH AVENUE OR RESIDENTIAL AS HAS HAD THE MOST GROWTH, BUT OUR ROAD IS RIGHT THERE WITH IT.
UH, MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE AT HEADQUARTERS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CLOSE TO THUNDER ROAD THAT IS DEALING WITH MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS, MOST OF THE TIME, UH, WHERE OUR ROAD, MOST OF THEM UP TO THIS POINT HAS BEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, FOR PARTIAL GROWTH IS, IS COME ALONG AS WELL.
WHERE DO WE STAND AT? AS FAR AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING BASED OFF OF THE CITIES, THE, OUR SISTER CITIES THAT THE CITY OF NEW BOARD VARMINT HAS SAID IS OUR TARGET CITIES.
WHAT DO WE LOOK AT COMPARING OURSELVES? THESE ARE THE CITIES THAT THE CITY HAS SAID THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, YOU CAN SAY LUGER'S POPULATION AND THE SQUARE MILEAGE VERSUS EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, WAIT, WE HAVE THREE FIRE STATIONS.
THE AVERAGE IS FOUR FIRE STATIONS, BUT THE SQUARE MILEAGE FOR EACH FIRE STATION THAT'S COVERED IS 10 SQUARE MILES PER DUPER.
THE AVERAGE SQUARE MILE IS OF OUR TARGET CITIES OR ONLY RIGHT ON HALF SQUARE MILES.
SO EACH FIRE STATION IS COVERING ALMOST TWICE.
THE AREA IS OUR TARGET CITIES ARE OUR SISTER CITIES THAT WERE CHARGED, TRYING TO TARGET OURSELVES.
AFTER WE HAVE BROKEN THE CITY UP INTO FIVE DEMANDS ON IS, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE TAR, UM, CHECKING TO SEE IF WE'RE PROVIDING EQUAL SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, AND THAT IT'S DONE IS IT'S REALLY HARD TO BREAK THE CITY DOWN AND TRIED TO LOOK AT IT ALL EQUALLY BECAUSE THE CITY IS DIVERSE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AREAS.
BUT, UM, WE DO TRACK THAT TO MAKE SURE.
AND IF WE SEE ANY AREAS THAT ARE LACKING, WE TRY TO ADDRESS THOSE AS THEY COME UP.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT AS A FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE HAVING IS THE OUTLINE AREAS, UM, PLEASANT HILL, UM, AREA, UM, OUT ON 17 SOUTH CREEK AREA.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE THERMA ROAD AREA.
UM, ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO BLUE WATER RISE AND AVA BACK OVER TOWARDS, UM, CREEKSIDE AREA, THE TRAVEL DISTANCE, AND IT'S, IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S HARD TO MAKE A, A EFFECTIVE RESPONSE TIME TO THESE AREAS.
WE HAVE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL MANPOWER AND ADDITIONAL STATIONS, UM, TO MAKE THE DEMAND FOR THOSE LOCATIONS, WHAT ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING OUT IN THE PLEASANT HILL AREA, UM, AND OUT OF THE 17 SOUTH AREA IS THE 43 CONNECTOR AS A STATE.
RIGHT NOW WE NEED A FIRE STATION ON 17 SOUTH AND OUT AROUND THE, HOW IS PROMO STATION SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA.
BUT IF THEY WERE TO OPEN AT 43 CONNECT OR UP, WE MIGHT'VE WOULD ONLY, WE ONLY NEED ONE FIRE STATION THAT CAN RESPOND BOTH DIRECTIONS.
SO WE'RE KIND OF IN A DILEMMA.
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DO YOU SPEND ALL THESE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS GO TO FIRE STATIONS OR WAIT FOR A ROAD THAT KEEPS GETTING PUSHED BACK? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BEEN WITHIN THE LAST W W WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.NOW IT'S PUSHED BACK INTO WHAT 20, 28, SOMEWHERE ON THAT FRONT NOW IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
SO WE DON'T KNOW YET EXACTLY WHAT TO DO THERE, THERMA ROAD AREA, SAME THING YOU GOT, UM, DESTRUCTION GOING BOTH DIRECTIONS, NAMELY FURTHER INTO BLUE WOULD ARISE.
SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? UH, BLUE WILL ARISE IF THEY CONTINUE ON THE PATH THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT AT THE FIVE MILE LIMIT FROM ANY FIRE STATION, UM, THE ISO RATING, WHICH IS WHAT THEY TAKE YOUR INSURANCE.
THEY WILL ONLY LET YOU MUNICIPAL FIRE DEPARTMENT PROVIDE RATED COVERAGE.
WE CAN PROVIDE IT TO ANYBODY, BUT THE COVERAGE FOR FIVE MILES AWAY FROM THE FIRE STATION, WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT EXPAND THAT.
OR OUR RATING PAST FIVE MILES.
THEY ARE WITHIN THAT FIVE MILES, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MAJOR CHANGES IN SHIFTS, AS THEY MOVE THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, ON THE ROAD DESIGN, WE CAN NOT CONTRACTED WITH ANY OF THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS OVER THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTSIDE THE FIVE MILES BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S SITTING AT.
THERE'S A MAJOR BUFFER BETWEEN THE PART OF THE FIRE STATION OF BRYCE'S CREEK AND THE CROW, THE TAN CREEKS ABOVE BUFFER THERE, AND THE ROAD MILES IS STILL OVER FIVE MILES TO GET THEM IN THERE.
SO CONTRACTING IS NOT, NOT OFTEN, WE CAN STILL CONTINUE TO LET THEM BILL.
WE CAN STILL PROVIDE A PROPER PROTECTION TO THEM, BUT AS WELL, WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO GET A LENDER.
SO THEY PROBABLY LEND MONEY TO SOMETHING THAT HAS A UNPROTECT, YOUR FIRE CLASS.
UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY A DEVELOPER ISSUE.
BUT SOME OF THAT, WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS A CONCERN TO US.
UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, ONE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING ALAN BLUE WOULD ARISE.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS MOVING FASTER THAN WHAT THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE CAN KEEP UP WITH.
WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ENGINEER.
UM, IT IS, UM, ON THE RADAR TO EXTEND A WATER LINE FROM THE, UM, WILCOX ROAD WATER TANK AROUND TO THAT AREA TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL WATER AND I IN A LOOP, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE.
UM, AND WE ARE DOWN AS OF TODAY, WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 700 GALLONS A MINUTE IN THERE.
THEY STANDARD IS A THOUSAND GALLONS A MINUTE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE ARE ALMOST AT HALF OF WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE.
SO I'M JUST GONNA, I'M GOING TO ASK A DUMB QUESTION.
HOW DOES, UM, WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT BEING SHORT OUT THERE, HOW DOES THAT COME TO FRUITION WITH ALL THE PLANNING AND ALL THE FORESIGHT THAT GOES INTO THIS STUFF? HOW, HOW DO WE END UP IN A, IN A QUANDARY LIKE THAT PUBLIC WORKS WORK, TELL US THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH CAPACITY.
SO, SO WE'VE GOT AN
UM, AND IT IS PART OF THIS IS ON THE RADAR FOR A POTENTIAL BOND FOR THE STATIONS.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU START OPENING UP FIRE STATIONS, THE FIRE STATION IS THE CHEAP PART.
THEY EQUIPMENT IS CHEAP PART, IS THIS A ONE-TIME PAYOUT? IT'S THE STAFFING.
AND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ADDING 15 AND 16, 17 FIREMAN PAYROLL, AS IT GETS VERY EXPENSIVE.
SO WHAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO IS, AND WE'RE CONTINUE DOING IS WE'RE WORKING THE COUNTY VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS, BUILDING THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.
UM, WE ARE WORKING CURRENTLY ON THE THUNDER ROAD, FIRE STATION, HAVING THEM TO RESPOND AUTOMATICALLY TO ALL, ALL HOUSE FIRES THAT WE HAVE ALL STRUCTURAL FIRES.
THE ISSUE AGAIN GOES BACK TO, IT'S NOT JUST CRAVEN COUNTY IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
YOUR VOLUNTEER RESPONSES ARE, OR, OR, OR DROPPING LOWER AND LOWER BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T DON'T WORK IN THE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH SAY PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, THEY SERVE INVOLVED YOUR POWERPOINTS ANYMORE, YOUR VOLUNTEER FIRE SERVICE, THEY'RE WORKING LIKE A HEARING CREDIT
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KIND OF DON'T WORK IN AT CHERRY POINT, THEY'RE WORKING AT HOSPITAL TO WORK IN HIDE OR SHOTS OR WHATEVER, UM, EVEN WORKING FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.AND IF WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS I'VE WORKED FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURGH AND THEY VOLUNTEER ADVANCED PART, WE'RE NOT LETTING THEM LEAVE WORK TO GET ADVANCE WORK AND FIGHT FIRES.
CHERRY IS NOT LETTING YOU KNOW BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS.
THE CITY OF DENVER IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF FIGHT FIRES AND YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE ELSE AND, YOU KNOW, HATTERS ISN'T IN THAT BUSINESS.
THEY'RE IN BUSINESS TO BUILD BOOKS.
I THINK THIS IS THE BASIC QUESTION THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET TO ME IN GENERAL.
AT LEAST FOR ME, WHEN WE SEE THE REQUESTS COME THROUGH HERE EACH YEAR, EACH CITY DEPARTMENT HAS LOOKED AT IT AND GIVEN THEIR COMMENTS, DO YOU EVER SAY, NO, WE DON'T HAVE MORE FIBER.
WHY WE CANNOT SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRIVACY TO DO IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT, THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT INTO WHAT THE CITY ORDINANCE SAYS THAT, UH, THAT WE HAD TO ALLOW FOR APPROVAL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
THAT THAT IS WHERE WE'D GO TO, TO THE BOARD.
YEAH, OF COURSE WE THINK THAT, THAT WANT ME TO JUST HAVE TO, YES.
SO ONE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HAD OVER OVER THE PAST IS ROAD DESIGN STREET IS THAT WE, WE HAD A FIX FOR THAT ON OUR END.
UM, AND THE BOARD DECIDED AFTER ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO OF IT BEING IN EFFECT TO TAKE IT BACK OUT BECAUSE OF A FEW DEVELOPERS THAT COMPLAINED ABOUT IT.
UM, AND IT WAS NOT ANYTHING THAT NOBODY ELSE WAS DOING.
IT WAS THE STANDARD ED FIRE CODE THAT, UM, QUITE A FEW COUNTIES AND CITIES AROUND US HAVE ADOPTED AT IS, UH, THE DEPENDENCIES OF THE FIRE CODE TO ALLOW.
UM, SO DIFFERENT THINGS SUCH AS, UM, TURNAROUNDS, DIFFERENT TURNAROUNDS SYSTEM, FIRE TRUCKS ARE GETTING BIGGER.
UM, TRASH TRUCKS ARE GETTING BIGGER.
SCHOOL BUSES ARE BIGGER AND IT TAKES INTO ALL OF THESE THINGS, NOT A STANDARD SEDAN VEHICLE.
LIKE SOME OF THE OLDER STREET DESIGNS FOR TURNAROUNDS WERE DESIGNED FOR.
UM, BUT THINGS WERE, THAT WAS TAKEN OUT.
NOW, ONE THING THAT WE DO HAVE COMING UP IS THE BUILDING CODE COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT TAKING WHAT'S IN THAT DEPENDENCY AND MOVING IT, MOVING PARTS OF IT, TO THE BODY OF THE CODE, WHERE THERE IS NO LOCAL, UM, DEVIATION FROM THAT, IF THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO BE TO TAKE A FAKE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
THEY COULD TAKE IT AND NOT, NOT HAVE LIVED DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
ARE YOU, CAUSE YOU LOOK AT THESE LITTLE BITTY LOTS AND HOW FIRST THEY ARE.
HOW ARE YOU GETTING IN THERE? WAIT, I CAN CARRY YOU TO SEND A BUSINESS RIGHT NOW AT THIS TIME OF NIGHT WHEN EVERYBODY'S HOME THAT WE LITERALLY HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE FIRETRUCK AND THEY HAVE, WE HAD TO PUT PEOPLE ON FRONT BUMPERS TO WALK A TRUCK IN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIT SOMEBODY'S CAR.
UM, THOSE OLDER, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE OLDER SUBDIVISIONS, WELL, THAT WAS BUILT BEFORE TRUCKS WERE DECIDED THEY ARE, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 YEARS OLD OR 15 YEARS OLD WHEN THE TRUCKS ARE THE SIZE THAT THEY ARE.
BUT, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD WE'D HAVE TO AGREE ON THE STANDARD THAT WE HAVE THAT'S APPROVED.
RIGHT? SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SAYING YES, BASED OFF OF THE CITY ORDINANCE OR BASED OFF THE FIRE CODE WAS PRESENTED IN FRONT OF US MEETS THAT.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD YOU SAY TOO, OH, I'LL MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY.
YOU'RE SAYING THE HYDRO INFRASTRUCTURE IN SOME LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE BLOCKED DEVELOPMENTS, THE FLOW RATE OF WATER IS, IS CURRENTLY BELOW STANDARD.
THAT IS MAINLY IN THE BLUE WOULD ARISE AREA BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE FROM THE WATER TANK TO THE BACK OF THAT NEW SUBDIVISION.
WELL, YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE EMERGENCY FIREWATER SUPPLY IS AN ADEQUATE YES, YES.
THERE IS A PLAN TO GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT, BUT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, IT TAKES A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET CONSTRUCTION GOING WITH THEM.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD WERE ENTIRELY, AND WE HAD THE CONVERSATION EVEN THIS MORNING WITH THE CHIEF THAT AT SOME POINT THE FARMER CAN'T STOP THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, AT SOME POINT SAY THAT WE CANNOT SUPPORT ANY ADDITIONAL PHASES MOVING FORWARD AS THE FIRE
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DEPARTMENT.UM, AND TILL WE GET SOME RESOLUTION ON THE WATER SYSTEM, NOW WE, WE PROBABLY CAN'T STOP ANYTHING, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST SHOW THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE, UM, MADE THOSE CONCERNS NONE IN A MORE PUBLIC WAY.
SIMILARLY, IF YOU ARE, ONCE SOMETHING IS, UH, UH, THE ZONING IS APPROVED, THEN THEY JUST HAVE THESE, YOU ONLY HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE RIGHTS.
AND, AND WHAT DID THE WAY WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW IN THE WATER IS BECAUSE OF HOW FAST THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS GROWN.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON STAFF NOR ANY BOARD THAT WOULDN'T REVIEW THIS SUBDIVISION BLUE OR US INDIVIDUALLY COULD EVER IMAGINE EXPANDING AT THE RATE THAT IT HAS.
I MEAN, THE DEVELOPER ON THE AIRPLANE AND IT'S TURNED INTO A 10.
BUT STILL ONCE EACH, EACH SECTION HAD TO BE APPROVED BY US OR RECOMMENDED.
AND HAVE WE FORWARDED STEVE TO THE CAPACITIES AS FAR AS THE PRIOR CT SCAN? SO SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE A NOTE ON THE PLAN SAYING WE CAN'T SUPPORT THIS ANYMORE.
RIGHT? WELL, NO, BUT WAY BEFORE THIS.
PART OF THAT COME TO YOU THAT THEY, SOME OF THE APPROVALS WERE SO FAR BACK IN ANY TIME THAT ISSUES WORK WEREN'T REALLY SEEN UNTIL WE ENTERED THE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO, FOR JAKE AND I WENT OUT ORDERS BY SUNDAY NIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FROM THE NORTHEAST.
WE HAVE SEEN THESE PROBLEMS HAPPENING IN THE NORTHEAST.
THAT'S WHY WE EXPRESSED CONCERN.
NO BLUE WATER RISES A HUGE DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK WE'VE SENT THE APPROVED ONE.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME KIND OF LACK OF DUE DILIGENCE HERE.
WELL, I HAVE A FEELING THEIR HANDS ARE TIED AS US, THAT WE WERE TOLD THAT'S IT.
LAST MONTH WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ENOUGH WATER CAPACITY.
AND WE INTERPRET THAT, THAT THE THERE'S NOTHING
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A NON-POTABLE BOARD THAT GOES, I WILL CALL IT TO THE FARMS AND WHATNOT.
BUT THE WATER THAT GOES TO THE BUYERS IS SAND IS POTABLE WATER.
THE WATER THAT YOU'RE DRINKING AT YOUR HOUSE, WE GET TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT GIVES THE RESPONSIBLE, THE SAME PIPE.
FIVE DIFFERENT ARE TIED TO EVERYTHING.
ARE THERE INSTANCES WHERE YOU CAN USE NON-POTABLE WATER, BUT TO PUT A FIREARM PUMPS THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET WATER FROM RIVERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH, THE ACCESS TO THE RIVER IS GETTING LESS AND LESS.
UM, RIGHT NOW OUR BEST OPTION FOR ALTERNATIVE ORDER.
IF, IF WE RAN INTO THAT WOULD BE TO HAVE THE COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENTS BRING IN, UM, ADDITIONAL WATER TANKERS AND STUFF, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GREAT.
AND BLUE WOULD ARISE IS LIKE A LITTLE ISLAND.
THERE'S ONLY ONE LINE GOING IN.
AND SO IF WE TRY TO GET WATER OFF THAT WATER LINE FURTHER UP, WE'RE JUST TAKING WATER AWAY FROM WHAT WE WERE USING THAT FIRE.
SO MOST OF THE CITY IS IN DECENT SHAPE WHEN IT COMES TO WATER.
AND I AGREE WITH JORDAN ON THAT, UM, AND THIS PLOT, AND THERE'S PROBABLY PLENTY OF DRINK OF WATER OUT THERE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FIRE PROTECTION, UM, ALMOST SAYING ALMOST ON A MORATORIUM UNTIL IT WAS CORRECTED, I DON'T KNOW, I'LL SAY IT ALSO THE PROBLEM WITH NOT ENOUGH FIREMEN AND YOU CAN USE 6, 7, 17 MORE FIVE WHEN IT'S OLDER THAN APPROVE THESE DON'T THEY UNDERSTAND IT.
THEY KNOW THERE'S TAXES INVOLVED.
THEY SHOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR A FINE, YES, I CAN'T SPEAK
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING, HOW CAN WE HELP? WHAT DO THEY NEED TO JUST MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS? YEAH.
AND I'LL MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE WON'T RIGHT NOW OUR BIGGEST THING IS, UM, JUST SUPPORT FROM, I THINK WE STILL GOT A, A STREET DESIGN ORDINANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED.
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IT WAS, AND WE'RE STILL ON THAT.WE'RE WHAT FOUR YEARS OUT OF THAT, AND STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY RESOLUTION.
I TRY TO ADDRESS THIS MORE PIECE BEING, INSTEAD OF HAVING A LARGE THING.
AND ONE OF THE FAMILY, MY BROTHER JEFFREY IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE PREPARED A LETTER FOR US.
ISN'T IT? HOW DOES THAT LET IT LOOK IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF BE AGGRESSIVE LIFE? I WOULDN'T BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE THAT LETTER READY YET? BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE OF COURSE, TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND THE CANDIDATE CAN, WE WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT AT LEAST THIS BOARD MEMBER IS VERY CONCERNED THAT WE'VE ALREADY EXCEEDED, UH, EMERGENCY WATER CAPACITY AT ONE OF THE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON.
THAT THE, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE, UH, THE PORTABLE AND INVESTIGATE THIS, UM, SURE.
SO COULD YOU PREPARE A LETTER FOR THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW FROM SUNNY AND MY DISCUSSIONS WITH EACH OTHER, BUT WE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF A WAR OF THE FIRE AND THE BAR NOT HAVING ENOUGH BORDER PUT OUT A FIRE AND THE DEVELOPMENT.
DO YOU CONCUR WITH THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE, WITH THE FIRE AND WHOEVER ASKS PRESSURE? RIGHT.
WHEN THE FIRE THAT WE HAD WAS OVER AND, UM,
UM,
THE PRESSURE'S THERE, BUT IT'S THE CAPACITY VOLUME.
THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THAT SHARE THAT SAME PROBLEM.
NOW IT IS THE MOST CRITICAL ONE THAT I KNOW.
UM, WE DO RUN INTO SOME ISSUES OUT PLEASANT HILL WAY, BUT NOWHERE NEAR TO THAT I'LL SHOW YOU.
AND WHAT WOULD IT BE FOR YOU TO PREPARE A REPORT AS TO WHICH AREAS ARE UNDER CAPACITY WITHIN THE, YOUR FIRE SAFETY DISTRICT? I CAN PROVIDE YOU THAT, SOMETHING THAT BASED OFF OF OUR DATA THAT WE HAVE, AND THE TESTING THAT WE'VE DONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE BELOW THAT THOUSAND GALLONS A MINUTE.
CAN YOU COMMUNICATE THAT TO JEFFREY? BECAUSE I WENT THAT ALSO ON THE 11TH OF THE FOURTH OF GOLDMAN, THAT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF SUFFICIENT WATER CAPACITY DID, UH, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO PUT OUT FIRES.
AND THE WORST PART IS THAT OUR HANDS ARE SOMEWHAT TIED.
WE HAVE TO HAVE TO APPROVE IF THEY SAY THEY HAVE TO APPROVE OF, BUT NOW WE'RE SAYING WE'VE SEEN THAT IT'S FAULTED, THE APPROVALS ARE FULL.
AND AFTER THAT, THE DEVELOPERS, WELL, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE STAFF IS MAKING AN ERROR AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
I THINK STAFF'S HANDS ARE TIED, JUST DESIRES ARE, AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO WORK AT THIS THROUGH THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN TO GET THINGS STRAIGHTENED OUT.
BUT, BUT, BUT IF THIS BOARD MAKES A REQUEST TO THE BOARD OF ALL THE MEN THAT WERE CONCERNED WITH MAKING APPROVALS BASED ON LACK OF WATER CAPACITY FOR FIRE SAFETY, I THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT ALL OUR, I THINK OUR JOB IS MORE OF A RAISING THE SIRENS AND THE HORNS.
I'LL WORK WITH, UM, JF AND WE'LL GET IT THE FIRST TIME THIS MAN HAS HEARD THAT.
OH, THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE THAT WE WOULD BRING UP THAT, AND WE'RE, IT'S FAIRLY NEW TO US TO, TO ADDRESS AS NEW TO DEVELOPERS IS, UM, WITH THE CITY GROWING OUT INTO THE MORE WOODED AREAS, THE URBAN INTERFACE AREA, UM, IT'S CAUSING US A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO VISUAL BUS, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS IN THE, UM, THROUGH THE COMMENTS, IN OUR, UM, PLAN REVIEWS AND STUFF.
AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT LEAVING THE SLASH BEHIND AND STUFF THAT COULD, THAT COULD FUEL FIRES, UM, AND BRING FIRES OUT OF THE FOREST LANDS INTO THE SUBDIVISION ITSELF.
WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE FOREST SERVICE ON THOSE TO MAKE SURE THE PLANS ARE, ARE, ARE BEING MAINTAINED.
AND ANYTIME WE GET A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ENCROACHING ON THEIR LAND, UH, WHETHER PROZAN OR, UH, GO CALL ON A FOREST SERVICE WITH, UM, PRIVATE LAND WHERE KEEPING THEM INVOLVED IN GIVING US ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK THAT THEY HAVE TO PASS THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND 30 THE, UM, PLAN,
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REVIEW PROCESS.UM, SO HE IS GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN THIS YEAR.
THE CROW TAN HAS, UM, SLADE SLATED FOR THE AREA BEHIND LINWOOD ARRIVES TO, TO HAVE PRODUCTION BURN, WHICH IS, WHICH WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT HAS BEEN BARKED SINCE FLORENCE.
AND SINCE THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS GOTTEN TO THE SIZE THAT IT IS, SO WE DON'T BE QUITE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW MANY COMPLAINTS WE GET, BUT, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
UM, SO THAT WAY, IF THEY HAVE A FIRE THAT THERE, UM, IT STAYS WITHIN CONTROL AND ALSO KEEPS THE ANIMALS WHERE THEY BELONG IN THE FOREST AND THAT IN PEOPLE'S BACK YARDS.
SO, UM, WAREHOUSES ARE DEFINITELY HAS TURNED, TURNED OVER A LOT OF LAND BACK THERE.
UM, BUT IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I KNOW I'VE GONE OVER A WHOLE LOT AND NOW WE APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE BRIEF.
IS IT AVAILABLE ON YOUR SITES? IT WILL GET DOWNLOADED.
AND AS
WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL SEND STAFF.
THE SALE BEFORE IT WILL MY CONTACT INFORMATION AND YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME DIRECTLY.
AND IF I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, WE WILL COME UP WITH AN EXTRA FOR YOU ALMOST THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF.
I'LL LET YOU GET BACK TO HOW MANY BUY HOUSES WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE GOING.
HOW DOES IT MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE TO KNOW THAT YOU NEED THREE AND MAYBE TWO, BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR A ROAD TO BE BUILT.
IT MAKES US UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUT THE BEST THAT WE CAN AND PROVIDE THAT SERVICES THAT, THAT WE ARE GIVEN.
UM, THE REQUEST FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES GO UP EVERY YEAR, UM, FOR THE LAST, WELL, WHEN BOBBY ASKED HER WHAT THE FIRE CHIEF, WE WERE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL STAFFING PERSONNEL AND HAVE NOT STOPPED SINCE, AND HE'S NOW HE'S ALL WOMEN, BUT HE'S A ONE MAN.
AND HE'S HE JUST ONE PERSON ON THAT BOARD.
SO, UM, SO THIS IS, HAS BEEN GOING FOR A WHILE.
ON THINGS LIKE THE WATER IMPROVEMENT, DOES THAT, IS THAT GOING TO INVOLVE CRAVEN COUNTY FUNDS AS WELL AS, UH, ANY OF THESE PIPES BROKEN PARK? THE CRAVEN COUNTY CRAVEN COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE THE, I DON'T THINK SO, BUT JORDAN WOULD BE, I GOT TO ASK ABOUT ALL THAT BECAUSE, UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW WHERE WE SELL WATER TO COUNTY RESIDENTS IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT WE DON'T SHARE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE COUNTY ITSELF.
UM, OUR NEW POLICE CHIEF, I THINK YOU, YOU ASKED, UH, TO MEET THE NEW POLICE CHIEF AND THE GORDA DIRECTED ME TO SEND THEM AN INVITE AND AS ALWAYS HE'S AVAILABLE AND PRESENT FOR US.
SO, UM, I'M HOPING HE DOESN'T HAVE SUCH AN EMPTY, DETAILED POWER POINT.
UM, PATRICK GALLAGHER, HE'S OUR NEW POLICE CHIEF, UM, PATRICK GALLAGHER, LITTLE IRISH.
UH, SO JEFF, NO, NO POWERPOINT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT MY WATCH AND I SAID, WELL, YOU CAN TELL ME WHEN YOU'RE TIRED OF ME.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I, I WOULD LIKE TO SHIFT GEARS JUST VERY SLIGHTLY, UH, TO BRAG A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FIRE SERVICE HERE AT UBER.
UH, WHAT DANNY DIDN'T TELL YOU.
AND I WILL THAT THE NEWBURN FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BE ACCREDITED AND ACCREDITED FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, IN THE JULY, UH, JULY 19TH, I BELIEVE IS WHEN, UM, THEY WILL GET FULL ACCREDITATION.
NOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT IS A HUGE DEAL.
VERY FEW FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE IN FACT ACCREDITED.
UM, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE ACCREDITED, BUT THEY ARE.
AND, UM, SO LET ME BRAG A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEWBURGH POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NEW BERN POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ALSO A GREAT HOUSE.
AND, UH, IS THAT A BIG DEAL AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED? YES.
I I'LL OFTEN MAKE THE STATEMENT.
UH, I WOULD NOT SEND MY CHILD TO A, UH, TO A COLLEGE THAT ACCREDITED.
I WOULDN'T GO TO A DENTIST THAT ISN'T ACCREDITED.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID ABOUT ACCREDITATION
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ACCREDITATION MEANS THAT YOU ARE MEETING, UM, IN THE CASE OF, UH, POLICE INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS.UM, AND LESS THAN A QUARTER OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE EFFECTIVE CREDIT.
AND THE NEWBORN POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A FLAGSHIP AGENCY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THEY'VE BEEN ACCREDITED FOR AT LEAST FIVE CYCLES AND THE CYCLE IS EVERY THREE YEARS.
UM, AND EVERY THREE YEARS, UM, UH, KALEAH, WHICH IS ACCREDITATION BODY WILL SEND, UH, UH, INSPECTORS TO OUR AGENCY TO INSPECT HIM 484 STANDARDS FOR EACH ONE OF THE THREE YEAR STANDARDS.
SO THE, IT IS A HUGE DEAL FOR TWO YEARS.
IN FACT, UH, KALEAH, UM, HAS CHANGED THE ACCREDITATION CYCLE FROM MAYBE THREE YEARS, MAYBE FOUR YEARS.
SO TWO YEARS, UM, UH, LEAH WILL COME BACK INTO NEW BERN AND THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED BY THIS DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO LET ME TRY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF AND WHY I'M HERE.
UM, AND PART OF WHY I'M HERE IS BECAUSE OF ACCREDITATION.
UM, I HAVE STARTED MY LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER WHEN I WAS 18 YEARS OLD, UH, GRADUATING FROM A HIGH SCHOOL IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, UH, JOINED THE UNITED STATES ARMY MILITARY POLICE CORPS.
AND I REALIZED THIS IS SOMETHING I WANT TO DO FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
UM, IN 1990, AFTER GRADUATING FROM ODI, UH, OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY WITH AN UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE, BY THE WACO MONARCHS, UH, I AM STILL A MONARCH FAN, UH, LOVE COLLEGE FOOTBALL, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, WATCHING, UH, COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAMES IN GREENVILLE.
UH, THIS FALL, I JOINED THE VIRGINIA BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE I SERVED FOR 31 YEARS.
THE VIRGINIA BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ACCREDITED THROUGH, UH, CLEAR.
UM, AND IN FACT, AT ONE POINT IN MY CAREER, I WAS THE DEPARTMENT'S ACCREDITATION MANAGER.
UM, IN THE VIRGINIA BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THE LARGEST CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.
UH, SO I LEARNED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT, UH, THE INNER WORKINGS OF A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND DURING MY ASSOCIATION WITH, UH, ACCREDITATION, AS THE ACCREDITATION MANAGER, I MET THE ACCREDITATION MANAGER IN NEWBURGH.
AND IN FACT, SHE ASKED TO JOIN THE VIRGINIA ACCREDITATION PACK BECAUSE AT THE TIME SHE REALLY WASN'T ALL THAT SATISFIED WITH THE NORTH CAROLINA BACK, BY THE WAY THEY HAVE IMPROVED THAT MUCH BETTER.
UM, SO THE ONLY THING I KNEW ABOUT NEWBURN, UH, WAS THEY WENT BACK TO CREDIT AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WELL, THAT HAS TO BE A PRETTY DECENT ACC IF THEY'D WANT TO GET THEIR ACCREDITED, UH, THEIR ACCREDITATION.
SO IT WAS, UH, LAST SEPTEMBER, UH, WHEN I WENT SITTING IN MY RECLINER AND MY WIFE LOOKED AT ME AND SHE SAYS, HEY, WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT NEWPORT? AND A MEMORY GOES OFF.
AND I SAID, WELL, THEY HAVE ACCREDITED.
I SAID, WHY DO YOU ASK? AND SHE SAID, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR POLICE CHIEF.
I DID WELL, I DID KNOW WHERE IT WAS AT BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO, UH, I FOUND MYSELF AT A CAMPUS JUNE AND I REMEMBER PASSING NEW BERN AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WELL, THEY GOT AN OUTBACK.
UM, SO, UH, SHE SAYS, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD GREAT THINGS ABOUT NEW PARTNER.
SO REALLY WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD? SHE SAID, WELL, I SEE NOTHING.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT UBER.
AND I SAID, WELL, IT'S ONLY A THREE HOUR DRIVE.
LET'S, LET'S DRIVE DOWN TO THE BURKE AND LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, UH, THAT CITY.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DUMPSTER FIRE AND IT'S, UH, IT IT'S A HOT, FAST, WE'LL JUST GET THE CAR, WE'LL DRIVE BACK TO THE GENIE BEACH.
AND SO WE CAME DOWN HERE THIS JUST BEFORE MONTH FAST.
AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS A SMALLER VERSION OF MOM, MEMPHIS.
UM, BUT WE'RE WALKING AROUND THIS QUAINT LITTLE CITY, PROPER MIDDLE STREET.
AND, UH, IT REMINDED ME OF AN OLD GERMAN CITY GERMANTOWN.
AND I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THE PARKING AND ONCE WE WERE PARKED HERE AND I GO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I SAID, BUT I BET YOU, THAT LADY RIGHT OVER THERE KNOWS AND TURNS OUT IT WAS ONE OF THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT, UH, EMPLOYEES.
UM, AND, UH, SO I WALKED UP AND I SAID, MA'AM, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? AND SHE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN NICER.
ONE OF THE MOST FRIENDLIEST PEOPLE, I THINK I'VE MET IN A VERY LONG TIME.
AND, AND I, I REMEMBER WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAD PARTED COMPANY, MY WIFE'S SHE'S SO NICE.
I SAID, I SAYS, IF SHE SHOULD HAVE WAS, AND SHE SAID, YOU THINK SHE BELONGS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? AND I SAID, OH, SHE, SHE DID.
WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER REASON WHY, UM, I'M HERE TO THIS DAY.
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SO WE WALKED AROUND AND, AND, UH, I REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH STANDING RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND POLLOCK.AND I LOOK UP AND MY WIFE SAYS, YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE.
I GO, IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, AND WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO WITH THE SCIENTIST IS HOME OF PEPSI COLA.
AND I SAID, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE.
AND SO, UH, COME TO FIND OUT, YES.
IN FACT, I HAD TO CALL IT WASN'T BENNET IN THAT STORE, RIGHT.
UM, THAT'S NOT A WHY NOT HERE.
SO WE WENT TO LUNCH AND MY WIFE AND I, OUR FOOD, I JUST LOVE SAYING THAT WORD FOODS, BUT WE WENT TO A RESTAURANT AND I PROMISE YOU, I WON'T MENTION THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT RUNS WITH MORGANS.
AND, UH, SO IT WORKED ON, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I BECOME THE POLICE CHIEF, BUT WE GOT TO COME BACK TO NEWBURGH.
CAUSE I'M GOING TO EAT BACK AT THIS RESTAURANT AGAIN, BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU THIS LITTLE CROISSANTS WITH HONEY ON KNOW, WELL, HONEY IS PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS.
AND SO WE'RE WALKING RIGHT IN.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I'M HERE.
WELL, WALKING AROUND, WE'VE COME TO THIS LITTLE OUT COVE.
AND WE WALKED IN AND MY WIFE, SHE SAYS, OH MY GOD.
I SAID, WHAT IS IT, HONEY? SHE SAYS, NICHOLAS SPARKS.
SHE SAYS, IT'S MY FAVORITE, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON WHY I'M OKAY RIGHT HERE.
SO WE'RE DRIVING HOME AND WE'RE KIND OF TICKING DOWN THE LIST OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKED ABOUT EARNING THE THINGS WE DIDN'T LIKE.
IT ACTUALLY, THAT WAS BUILDING NOTHING ON THE THING WE DID.
AND I WAS THINKING, WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER EAT IT OUT BACK.
YOU CAN'T GET, YOU CAN'T GET A FAT MEAL IN THIS TOWN AS FAR AS I KNOW.
SO, UM, UH, MY WIFE AND I DECIDED LET'S APPLY FOR THIS JOB.
AND, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IS NORTH CAROLINA IS THE NUMBER ONE STATE IN THE UNION.
THE NUMBER ONE MOST POPULAR STATE IN THE UNION FOR CHIEF OF POLICE JOBS.
IT'S THE MOST COMPETITIVE THAN ANY OTHER STATE PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO NORTH CAROLINA? I THINK THEY CALLED THIS, UH, SOUTH NEW YORK, I THINK NO OFFENSE.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THAT THAT'S FINE.
PEOPLE FROM NEW YORK WARM LOOP, BUT JUST PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER, I KNEW IT WOULD BE THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
AND I WAS INCREDIBLY BLESSED WHEN THE CITY MANAGER GAVE ME THE JOB.
AND I HAVE BEEN THE, THE CHIEF OF POLICE HERE FOR 108 DAYS.
NOT THAT I'M COUNTING, BUT I I'VE BEEN BLESSED 108 DAYS TO BE ABLE TO COME TO WORK AND WORK FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY'RE INCREDIBLY PROFESSIONAL.
NOW I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE IT CAME FROM.
UM, AND PEOPLE SAY TO ME, HE SAYS, WELL, THIS ISN'T THAT PLACE.
AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT'S KIND OF A SMALL ARMY, AREN'T YOU? AREN'T YOU BORED? I SAID, UH, NO.
I SAID, FIRST OF ALL, ONE THING IS BIGGER.
AND THAT IS FACT, AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE MEN AND WOMEN, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DO THAT THE, UH, OFFICERS IN MY PREVIOUS AGENCIES DO NOT DO.
UM, I FEEL, UM, AS IF I HAVE BEEN HANDED, UM, A BATON THAT IS MADE OF GOLD.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THIS, UM, THIS DEPARTMENT, UH, NOT IN CRISIS.
I TOOK OVER THE DEPARTMENT THAT DIDN'T DID NOT NEED TO BE FIXED.
UM, CHIEF, UH, TUCSON SUMMERS HAD DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB OF INCORPORATING.
WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO AMERICAN POLICING TODAY IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, COMMUNITY, POLICING, TRANSPARENCY, UM, ENGAGING IN A 21ST CENTURY POLICING CONTEXT.
AND HE AND HIS STAFF HAVE BEEN DOING THAT, UH, FOR THE BETTER PART OF A DECADE.
SO WHEN I ARRIVED, I TOOK THE KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS, AND ABILITIES THAT I HAD, UH, OBTAINED OVER THE 31 YEARS.
I TOOK THE, UM, BUSINESS MODEL THAT HAD BEEN, UH, PRESENTED TO ME.
UM, AND I JUST LOOKED TO EXPAND UPON THAT.
UM, AND, AND SO OVER THOSE HUNDRED AND EIGHT DAYS, WE'VE FOUND OPPORTUNITIES TO ADVANCE OUR BUSINESS MODEL.
UM, WE'VE TAKEN CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE BEEN FACED WITH ONE, WHICH WAS
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REMOVING THE SRO ROSE OUT OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS HERE IN NEW BERN AND, UM, CONVINCING THE PORT OF ALDERMAN'S TO ALLOW US TO KEEP THOSE FTES.UM, AND WHAT WE DID WITH, WITH THOSE OFFICERS, THOSE SIX OFFICERS IS WE WERE ABLE TO DEVELOP WHAT WE CALL A TEAM FIVE APPROACH.
SEE WE HAVE FOUR OPERATIONAL TEAMS AND THEY WORK A 12 HOUR SHIFT.
SO AT ANY ONE GIVEN TIME, WE HAVE A TEAM OF OFFICERS THAT ARE ON PATROL, BUT THEY'RE REACTIVE.
UM, AND WHAT I WAS HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A PROACTIVE, UH, OPERATIONAL UNIT THAT CAN ADDRESS THREE AREAS THAT I BELIEVE ARE, ARE THE MOST CRITICAL, UH, AND YEAH, OUR COMMUNITY WITH RESPECT TO THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
AND THAT IS WE HAVE TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON VIOLENT CRIME.
VIOLENT CRIME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO REDUCE CRIME IN THE FEAR OF CRIME.
UH, NUMBER TWO IS GANG ACTIVITY.
AND NUMBER THREE IS ADDRESSING, UH, DRUG DISTRIBUTION.
I'VE OFTEN SAID, AND I'LL SAY SAID IT BEFORE, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF SYMPATHY FOR THOSE THAT ARE DRUG ADDICTS, DRUG ADDICTS NEED TREATMENT.
UM, AND AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY, WE NEED TO WORK WITH, UH, OTHER OPPONENTS OF GOVERNMENT AND NONPROFITS AND, UH, THE HEALTHCARE TO TRY TO DIVERT ADDICTS FROM THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM INTO THE HEALTHCARE SO THAT THEY CAN RECEIVE THE CARE THAT THEY NEED.
UM, HOPEFULLY BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY, ONE OF MY OFFICERS IS DEPLOYING NARCAN.
THEN WHY KNOW WHAT NARCAN IS IT SAD THAT IN 2021, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT NARCAN IS.
UM, IN FACT, YOU CAN GO TO WALGREENS AND ARCANE IF YOU WANT, OH, I'M SORRY.
NARCAN IS AT THE ANTIDOTE TO AN OPIOID OVERDOSE.
IT IS, AND IT COST $57 A DOSE.
AND THEN WE ARE THE PORT DAILY EVERY DAY, SINGLE TODAY OF POLICE OFFICERS DEPLOYING NARCAN ON SOMEONE.
CAN I REDIRECT YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION? WE ARE MEMBERS OF THE ZONING BOARD IN TERMS OF ZONING.
WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PUBLIC LIGHTING AND SPACES AND WHATNOT.
HOW CAN THE ZONING BOARD BEST HELP THE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS LIKE YOURSELF PERFORM THEIR JOB BETTER? WHAT KIND OF INSTRUCTIONS THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A SPECIFIC PEOPLE? THE ZONING STANDPOINT? WELL, I'M GLAD YOU REDIRECTED ME CAUSE I WOULD'VE GONE OFF ON THAT TANGENT FOREVER.
LET ME JUST CLOSE THE LOOP ON THAT LAST ONE.
I HAVE ZERO SYMPATHY FOR DRUG DEALERS ZERO, AND WE WILL, WE WILL ENGAGE OUR T FIVE TO THE RESERVOIR OFFICERS TO, TO HEAVILY ENFORCE THE LAWS SPECIFIC TO DRUG DEALING.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS, UH, IN CRAIG COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
SO MORE SPECIFIC TO, UM, THIS BOARD, WHAT, WHAT THIS BOARD CAN DO WITH RESPECT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IT ISN'T AS HEAVY OF A LIFT AS IT IS FOR, UH, FIRING EMS. UH, DENTIST DENSITY IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO WHAT WE DO, BUT I WILL SAY THIS AND, AND, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
SO CAROLINA COLORS AND EVERYTHING THAT IS ACROSS THE RIVER, SO TO SPEAK, UM, IS GROWING EXPONENTIALLY, UH, FROM WHAT IT USED TO BE.
BUT FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE, IT DOES NOT DRAW THE RESOURCES, UH, THAT YOU MIGHT THINK, UM, VERY FEW LAW ENFORCEMENT CALLS FOR SERVICE OR ACTUALLY, UH, DISPATCH TO THAT AREA.
A VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT WE SEE IN TERMS OF THE HEAVY LIFT ON THE PD SIDE IS THIS REGION RIGHT AROUND HERE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF, UH, CONCERNS OF NEIGHBORS OR RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA IS WE DON'T SEE THE NEWBURGH POLICE DEPARTMENT AS FREQUENTLY.
WE WANT THE NEW BRUNT POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PATROL OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND I GET IT.
UM, I'M LOOKING TO BUY A HOUSE AND I MAY VERY WELL BUY A HOUSE IN CAROLINA BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE A PATROL OFFICER, BUT MY PERSPECTIVE IN DEPLOYING RESOURCES, I HAVE TO DEPLOY THEM WHERE THE NEED IS THE GREATEST.
I ONLY HAVE CERTAIN NUMBER OF OFFICERS WORKING AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AN OFFICER PATROLLING THAT AREA MORE FREQUENTLY,
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OBVIOUSLY.UM, YOU KNOW, W WE'RE CONCERNED WITH, UH, RESPONSE TIMES AS WELL, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT INGRESS AND EGRESS.
WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US, ESPECIALLY FOR WHEN IT COMES TO NATURAL DISASTERS, LIKE, UM, UH, WEATHER EVENTS.
AND WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE ONE, IF YOU HAVE A RAINCOAT AND A, UH, UMBRELLA, BRING IT ON THURSDAY, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT IS IF WE CAN'T GET INTO A SPECIFIC SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THE ROADS ARE FLOODED OR BLOCKED, WE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO GO IN ANOTHER ROUTE, BUT IF THERE IS NOT ANOTHER ROUTE, WE HAVE PROBLEMS. AND WHEN SOMEBODY HAS CALLED NINE 11 AND SAID, I NEED TO HAVE EITHER A FIRE ENGINE, AN EMT, OR A POLICE OFFICER, AND WE CAN'T GET THERE BY VEHICLE.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT WAY.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY OUR RESPONSE TIME, UM, IT MAY BE SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVE TO GET A BOAT AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN VIRGINIA BEACH.
YOU HAVE TO GET A BOAT JUST TO GET TO A NEIGHBOR OR JUST TO GET TO A RESIDENCE BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS CALLING AND SAYING, I, UM, THE, UH, THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT A LOT YOU CAN DO IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT MAJOR ROAD CONSTRUCTIONS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT, UM, OUR ABILITY TO GET MOST OF THE LARGER ROMANS ARE THE PURVIEW OF P O T.
BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT, UH, WITHIN YOUR MAILING WITH, UM, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE MORE INTERSECTIONS, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR AREA, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE SMART INTERSECTIONS, UM, THAT CAN CONTROL THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WHAT, I'VE, WHAT I'VE NOTICED.
THERE ARE SOME INTERSECTIONS WHERE THEY, UH, WHERE THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS FROM MY OPTICS APPEAR ONLY TO BE ON A TIMER AS OPPOSED TO REACTING TO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
AND I'LL SIT THERE AND GO, AH, I HAVE A RED LIGHT, THIS, NOPE, THERE'S NOTHING.
I KNOW I HAVE A LIGHT AND A SIREN.
IF I NEED TO, I CAN TURN IT ON AND GO ABOUT MY BUSINESS.
I BELIEVE ALL THE, ARE THERE ANY CITY TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND NEW BARN, OR THEY ALL STAY
OWN A LOT OF THE ROLES IN THE CITY.
SO EVERYTHING ALONG MARTIN LUTHER KING, ARE YOU TELLING ME THOSE ARE
EVERYTHING FROM ESSENTIALLY RIGHT OUT HERE, BROAD FIRST AND ALL AROUND THE CITY.
THAT'S ALL CITY NEWS AS A STATE BECAUSE YOU GET OUT, I COULD BE WRONG
SO NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT OR TO EXTEND MY COMMENT.
UM, LET ME JUST END WITH, WITH, UH, WITH WHAT I'VE JUST SAID AFTER THE ANSWER.
ANY QUESTIONS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CREDIBILITY, UM, HAVING BEEN AN ACCREDITED POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOW MANY IN NORTH CAROLINA ARE? I CAN GET YOU A NUMBER AND I CAN TELL YOU, I DID LOOK IT UP.
I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 124 APARTMENTS IN NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, THERE'S WELL, OVER A THOUSAND APARTMENTS IN NORTH CAROLINA.
I DO KNOW NATIONALLY IT'S 24%, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON WHAT NORTH CAROLINA LOOKS LIKE.
NEXT UP DIVISION DEPARTMENT HEADS
WHAT ARE DIVIDED INTO EIGHT DIVISIONS WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION DIVISION AND IN THE ADMINISTRATION DIVISION, THEY CAN HANDLE TWO OTHER THINGS.
THEY HANDLED THE SOLID WASTE, WHICH IS OUR DFL CONTRACTS, ALL THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT GFL OR YOUR TRASH PICKUP COME TO OUR DEPARTMENT.
WE ALSO HANDLE ALL THE INSURANCE FOR THE CITY, LESS WORKERS' COMP.
SO ALL OF THE LIABILITY OF PROPERTY INSURANCE
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IS THROUGH OUR OFFICE.WE HAD OUR LEAF AND LAMB SOLID WASTE DIVISION THAT DOES ALL OF THE ROUTE TRUCKS THAT PICKS UP ALL THE BRANCHES AND ALL YOUR BROWN AND WHITE VIEWS.
WE HELPED FACILITATE COMMUNITY CLEANUPS.
I BELIEVE MS. CHILD HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN SEVERAL OF THOSE.
I KNOW THAT SHE'S BEEN BY HER OFFICE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
UM, WE HAVE THE CITY GARAGE, WE MAINTAIN ALL THE CITY VEHICLES, ALL THE FIRE FIRE, ALL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CARS, UH, WATER RESOURCES, UH, INSPECTORS VEHICLES, OVER 400 VEHICLES THAT DRIVE GARAGE FOR THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS.
THE LAST TWO VISIONS ARE PROBABLY THE ONES THAT Y'ALL KNOW WE'RE INTERESTED IN OUR STREETS.
AND OUR STORMWATER MENTIONED, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HANDLE ALL OF OUR PAVING PROJECTS, POTHOLES TREE REMOVAL RIGHT AWAY, MO UM, STORMWATER HANDLES CLEAN THE DITCHES FOR PARENT CATCH BASINS, CLEAN OUT PIPES AND REPLACING PIPES.
THEY ALSO HANDLE OUR ADMINISTRATION OF THE EMS FOR STORM WATER PERMITS, WHICH WERE MANDATED THROUGH THE STATE, WHICH REQUIRES US TO OVERSEE APPLICATIONS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND THE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS OF THOSE PERMITS AND HOW OUR DEPARTMENT BASICALLY PERTAINS TO WHAT Y'ALL SITTING IN.
AND Y'ALL TOUCHED ON A LOT OF THIS ALREADY.
WHEN WE RECEIVE A NEW SET OF PLANS FOR A PROJECT, UM, COMES PRIOR TO THE DRC MEETING.
WE GO THROUGH IT WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, OUR SUPERVISORS, EACH DIVISION, AND THAT MAINLY HAS TO DO WITH OUR STREETS AND OUR STORMWATER TRADITION.
THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THINGS EXACTLY WHAT Y'ALL Y'ALL WERE QUESTIONING THE STORM WATER.
DOES THE SITE REQUIRE A STATE STORE TO FIND IT MOST, MOST OF THE TIME, ONCE IT GETS TO THIS LEVEL, IT DOES THAT.
WE'LL ALSO IMPLEMENT AN ORIGINAL SEDIMENTATION CONTROL PERMIT FROM THE STATE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO APPLY AND RECEIVE THAT PERMIT WHEN THOSE TWO WERE KICKED IN, THAT USUALLY REQUIRES A CITY OF NEW BERN STORMWATER PERMIT, WHICH IS FOR NITROGEN REDUCTION.
AND THAT'S, WHAT'S REQUIRED AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY AND OUR EMS FOR PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND WE ACTUALLY, WE RECEIVED THE PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
WE HAVE AN ACCOUNT CONSULTANT FROM OUT OF RALEIGH, ACTUALLY, THERE'S THREE OF THESE PERMITS FOR US AND THEN SAYS, YES, IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES.
THEY SEND IT BACK TO US, TELL US THE FEES THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY.
AND WE PASS THAT ON TO THE DEVELOPER TO PAY THE FEES.
AND THEN WE MAKE THAT PART OF THE PROJECT.
UM, WE ALSO LOOK AT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC CONFLICTS WHILE WE DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
WE KNOW WHEN SOMEBODY IS PROPOSING 240 CONDOMINIUMS RIGHT ACROSS FROM A GROCERY STORE WAS ONE ACTUALLY THAT'S WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
SO FORTUNATELY, IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPER WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THIS.
IT DID TAKE US SEVERAL MONTHS FOR THEM TO GET THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS BACK.
WE HAVE, WE REQUESTED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BE INCLUDED IN THAT PLAN ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDED THE HIGHWAY 70 IMPROVEMENTS.
IT INCLUDED THE BUILD-OUT OF BLUE WATER ARISE BECAUSE WE THINK A LOT OF PASSENGER TRAFFIC MAY COME THROUGH THAT DIRECTION.
SO THEY ENCOMPASSED A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT DIDN'T EXACTLY THEIR IMPACTS DIDN'T ADDRESS ALL OF THE THINGS THEY SHOWED IN THE STATEMENT.
I MEAN, WE HAD SOME OTHER THINGS WERE ACTUALLY ON A DAT SECTION OF ROAD, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER, BUT IT LET US KNOW THE ONE DOWN THE ROAD.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BRING UP THE VAT.
UM, WE LOOKED AT THE TIE INS, UM, WHETHER IT BE A, JUST A COMMERCIAL RETAIL PLACE WHERE YOU GOT, UM, DRIVEWAY PERMITS, DRIVEWAY PERMITS COME THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT.
WE LOOK AT THEM WITH RELATIONSHIP FLESH, ALREADY INTERSECTIONS.
UM, HOW MANY THEY HAVE THE WHEEL THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, AND WE ACTUALLY GO OUT WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THESE PERMITS, WE GO AND ACTUALLY DO THE INSPECTIONS PRIOR TO THEM FOR, WE MAKE SURE THEY PULL THEM TO A CERTAIN THICKNESS ONE THERE THEY'VE GOT SIDEWALKS CROSSING, UM, WHERE WE HAVE CONCERNS.
UM, WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MADE THE SYDNEY SYDNEY DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE RIGHT.
THAT MEANS THEY'VE GOT BASED ON THE ENGINEER'S CALCULATIONS.
THEY'VE GOT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SUB GRADE QUITE AROUND THEIR ASPHALT DENSITIES, RIGHT? WHEN THE, WHEN WE GO IN NOW PATIENT WITH CONSTRUCTION AND WE ALSO REVIEWED THE BONDING CALL CENTER PRESENTED TO Y'ALL.
SO WHEN Y'ALL GET READY FOR THE FINAL, UM, WE'D GONE OVER THAT BOND.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE DEVELOPERS PROPOSED TO US.
AND SOMETIMES WE AGREE WITH IT.
SOMETIMES WE SEND IT BACK TO THEM, HOW MAD THINGS ARE CHANGE VALUES.
AS WE SEE, YOU MAY SEE SIDEWALK COSTS GO UP THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SIDEWALK CONTRACTS AND WE SEE THE PRICE GOING UP.
THEY MAY SAY THEY CAN GET A SIDEWALK DOWN FOR $4 AND 50 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT.
WELL, IF THEY DON'T DO IT, WE USE OUR CALLS.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN YOUR 900 UNIT SUBDIVISION.
WE MAY ONLY HAVE TO GO IN AND PUT IN ONE BLOCK OF SIDEWALK.
SO THERE'S NOT A REAL COST SAVINGS THERE ASLEEP.
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AT ALL OF THOSE COSTS.WE LOOK AT THE QUANTITIES OF STOLEN WATER, UM, FOR THAT ONCE WE GET TO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE AND Y'ALL ARE KIND OF PAST PAST THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REMOVED FROM IT.
ONCE IT STARTS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HIRE A INSPECTOR IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, WHICH WE ARE HOPING IS GOING TO PROVIDE A STEADY LONG-TERM COST SAVINGS, MEANING HE IS OUT ON THE JOB.
AND THEY'RE BUILDING THE ROADS WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLING THE PIPES.
WHEN THEY'RE PUTTING THE CATCH BASINS IN PROOF ROLLS ALL THE ROADS FOR SUB GRADE STONE UNDERNEATH THE CURBING AND HE'S OUT THERE WHEN THEY PAID IT.
SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE OVERSIGHT THAN WE'VE EVER HAD.
THE CITY'S NEVER HAD THAT POSITION BEFORE.
WE'VE RELIED ON DEVELOPERS AND ENGINEERS TO BE ON SITE FOR PRE FOALS.
THEY MAY CALL, WE MAYBE HAVE SOMEBODY AVAILABLE IN THE PAST, BUT NOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS THERE ALL THE TIME FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND I THINK FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN, HE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME IN HIS FIRST NINE MONTHS, AND THEN PEOPLE LEARNED WHAT HE EXPECTED.
AND I THINK IN THAT END, THE CITY'S GAINED A GREAT VALUE IN, IN ONE EMPLOYMENT.
UM, ONCE EVERYTHING IS DONE, WE GO BACK OVER TO THE BONDING.
IF THEY REQUEST OR BOND, BE EITHER REDUCED AFTER A YEAR, OR IF THEY'D LIKE IT ALL BACK, WE GO BACK AND VERIFY WHAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED IF IT MEETS OUR STANDARDS.
SO WE CAN PUT IT INTO THE CITY SYSTEM FOR ACCEPTANCE OF THE WARRANTY PERIOD.
IF THEY HAVE A CITY STORM WATER PERMIT, WE'RE REQUIRED EQUALLY TO GO BACK AND INSPECT EVERY ONE OF THOSE, UM, PERMITTED STORMWATER SYSTEMS. AND SO WE DO THAT ON A DAILY BASIS AND THAT THAT'S KIND OF OUR OVERVIEW AND A SHORT TERM OF WHAT WE DO STREETS WISE AND STORM WATER WISE.
AND THAT'S REALLY HOW MORE OR LESS PERTAINS TO WHAT Y'ALL LOOK AT.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I CAN THAT, UM, THAT Y'ALL HAVE.
SO YOU REVIEWED THE STRONG WATERS SYSTEMS. SO WHO DOES THE UNBLOCKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY? WELL, IT DEPENDS IF IT'S IN, WITHIN A POA, IF IT'S A PERMITTED HART, THEIR STORMWATER SYSTEM, MEANING GRASSLANDS, SWALES, OR STORM WATER RETENTION POND THAT USUALLY FALLS UNDER THE POA STREET-SIDE DRAINAGE.
ONCE HE GETS INTO THE MAIN DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT ACCEPTS ANY STREET STREET DRAINAGE, UM, ONCE HE GETS OUT OF THERE.
SO DIVISION IS RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR STONEWARE STAFF TO DO THAT.
IS THIS WHERE WE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WE MIGHT TURN BACK AND ASK QUESTIONS.
I DON'T WANT TO HOLD ANYBODY ELSE UP BECAUSE THERE'LL BE PART IS A CONCERN OF MINE AS IT IS TO A LOT OF REALTORS.
WE, WE LISTENED TO THE PROPERTIES IN THERE, SO HELLO, AND YOU HAVE FAMILY IN THERE AND YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE PEOPLE WHILE YOU'RE SELLING SOMETHING.
AND THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE, OR THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT, BUT GUESS WHAT? THE PROPERTY FLOODS AND THAT BASICALLY CAME DOWN AFTER THIS GOT DEVELOPED AND THIS GOT DEVELOPED.
NOW THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GET IT.
SO IT COMES BACK DOWN HERE AND THE MAN ON THE TOTEM POLE, YOU WANT TO WORK PART OF IT WAS BECAUSE DRAIN LAST WAS SAID, NOT TO BE CLEAR.
I CAN'T SAY YES OR NO, BUT I KNOW THAT OUTCOME OF WHAT HAPPENED.
SO NOW WE LOOK AT DERBY PARK GETTING MORE.
IT'S LIKE, OKAY, I SEE THAT SECTION FOLLOWS THE GUIDELINES WHEN IT LEAVES THERE AND GOT TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE.
WELL, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSTRAINED WITH, WITH RULES THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY, THAT WE CAN'T JUST MAKE UP THINGS TO STOP PEOPLE.
AND ALSO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I MISSED IT.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU START THINKING OF DOWNSTREAM, THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM.
WELL, HOW FAR DOWNSTREAM ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE EVERY DEVELOPER LOOK, ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THEM START HER ALL AND LOOK ALL THE WAY TO THE NEXT ROOM? OR ARE WE GOING TO START AT SOMEWHERE UP AROUND, UM, GREENBRIAR AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR SOLID WASTE FACILITY FOR COUNTRY CLUB, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THAT WATER DRAINS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY VEHICLE TO LOOK DOWNSTREAM, TO FORCE A NEW DEVELOPMENT UPSTREAM, TO GO IN AND MAKE REMEDIATIONS OR, OR UPGRADE SOFTWARE.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT FIRST DEVELOP THIS STORY? HELLO SUGGESTIONS.
WELL, THIS IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST OVER YOUR FARM AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF PLACES IN TOWN THAT, THAT WERE DEVELOPED UPSTREAM, PRE ANY STORE OR STATE OR CITY.
SO YOU HAVE LOTS OF AREAS THAT HAVE NO RETENTION AT ALL WHEN YOU'VE 90% IMPERVIOUS.
SO WHEN IT RAINS, IT'S NOT HOLDING ANY WATER, IT'S NOT EVEN A HOLDING FOR A MINUTE.
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LOOKING AT WAYS TO CREATE A RETENTION APPEAL ON SOME OF THESE AREAS TO SLOW IT DOWN.UM, YOU DID HEAR MR. THOMAS, WHO'D DONE THE ENGINEERING FOR THAT SAYING THIS LOW DENSITY SUBDIVISION, WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IMPERVIOUS.
IT WAS 21% FOR THE STATE ROLE, BUT THEY ALSO, WHICH YOU WEREN'T REQUIRED TO, THEY PUT IN ADDITIONAL RETENTION.
SO I THINK IN SOME WAY THEY REALIZE THAT THEY'VE GOT SOMEBODY BELOW THEM, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO RETAIN WATER FOR A LONGER PERIOD THAN REALLY PROMINENT, WISE BYLAW.
WE HAVE VERY LITTLE NATION AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ELEVATION YOU'RE AT.
YOU COULD BE AT A 20 AND STILL HAVE A FLOOD CONDITION.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN DARBY PARK WHEN TO HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE THESE MICRO BURST OR RAIN OR LONG EXTENDED RAIN PERIODS FROM TROPICAL SYSTEMS. SO YOU, YOU AND I, YOU, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED BEFORE IN BELLOWS.
UM, SO I GUESS BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, AND OBVIOUSLY I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM YOU AND ASK YOU A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK A COUPLE OF THE ISSUES ARE ONE WHEN, WHEN THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY GETS TRANSFERRED TO THE POA OR THE HOA, WHAT I'M FINDING IS, IS THAT THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS THAT INITIALLY THE, THE DEVELOPER HAS THAT HOA OR THAT POA, RIGHT? AND EVERYTHING'S GREAT, THEY'RE DOING THEIR THING.
THEY BUILD THE HOUSES AND THEN JUST DISAPPEAR OFF INTO THE MIST, TURN IT OVER.
THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE NO IDEA THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PONDS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TAUGHT BY THIS.
THEY HAVE NO IDEA THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DRAINAGE.
SO I THINK AT A MINIMUM THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE EX EXPRESSED AND CONVEYED TO THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY FILL UP THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I WENT THROUGH THAT.
IT'S LIKE, HEY, BY THE WAY, HERE YOU GO, BUDDY, YOU GOT IT.
ALL, YOU GOT THE PONDS, YOU GOT EVERYTHING.
SECOND THING IS A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPERS DO NOT WANT TO TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THAT'S MY BIGGEST PET PEEVE.
THEY DO NOT WANT TO TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER.
AS SOON AS THOSE HOUSES GO UP AND THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES WHERE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE CUT A CORNER OR STEMMED A LITTLE BIT ON THERE OF HOW THEY GRADED THE LOTS, WHATEVER THEY'RE CAUSING ISSUES, THEY DO NOT WANT TO SPEND A DIME.
THEY DO NOT, THEY WON'T EVEN RETURN A PHONE CALL.
AND THE DAY YOU CAME OUT THERE, YOU KNEW I WAS UPSET WITH THOSE GUYS.
UH, I THINK THAT'S AN ONGOING TREND HERE.
SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE DEVELOPERS.
EVERYTHING GETS PUSHED THROUGH THIS BOARD.
AND THEN GUESS WHAT PEOPLE MOVE IN.
THEY HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND THEN EVERYONE'S LIKE, NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THESE DEVELOPERS, THESE LOCAL DEVELOPERS, THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING.
NOW, MY PROBLEM, WHY DO YOU WANT, THEY SAID ALMOST THE SAME THING YOU JUST SAID, WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? DO YOU WANT ME TO, YOU WANT ME TO CHECK OUT THE DRAINAGE ALL THE WAY TO NEUSE RIVER? I ACTUALLY HAD BOLUSES TELL ME THAT, UH, NO, DUDE, I WANT YOU TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S BAD BUSINESS.
SO AS A CITY AND AS A BOARD, IF WE DON'T HOLD THESE DEVELOPERS SOMEWHAT ACCOUNTABLE, IT'S BAD BUSINESS.
AND IT LOOKS BAD JUST IN GENERAL.
AND WE ARE WORKING INTERNALLY WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT.
WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME OF THIS WITH THE BOND.
ONE LOOKING BACK AT, INTO THE POA MAY BE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE THE CONTROL MEASURES WITHIN A SUBDIVISION, BUT LOTS OF OUR STREET WATER, WHICH IS PERMITTED TO GO THROUGH THESE STEPS, THE WAY OF DESIGN WE'RE INCLUDING A REVIEW OF THAT PRIOR TO US TAKING THE ROADS.
SO W WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO TIE THE BOND TO IMPLEMENT THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF WHAT THEY'VE ALSO INSTALLED.
SOME OF IT WILL BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
SOME OF IT WILL BE THE POS RESPONSIBILITY.
AND ALSO WHEN LOOKING AT CHANGING HOW WE GET NOTIFICATION OF REMAIN CHANGE ONLY PERMIT.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD MEAN WHERE A DEVELOPER WHO IS CONTROLLED, POA UNTIL A CERTAIN PORTION IS SOLD AND THEY BEEN TRANSFERS.
THE NAME CHANGE WOULD GO TO US FOR SIGN OFF PRIOR TO THE NAME CHANGE.
THAT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY SAY TO POA THEN KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING, WHAT IT WOULD LET US GIVE, BUT GIVE US ONE LAST OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT, LOOK AT THESE STORMWATER FACILITIES AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEFICIENT ON THIS, THIS AND THIS, AND THIS ALL NEEDS TO BE FIXED PRIOR TO TRANSFER,
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RIGHT? UM, IT'S, IT COMES INTO PLAY WHERE THE LEVERAGE IS FINANCIAL LEVERAGE TO GET THAT DONE PRE YOU KNOW, PRE TRANSFER TO THE POA.AND WE REALIZE THIS IS NOT JUST IN YOUR SUBDIVISION.
WE'VE SEEN IT ON SEVERAL OTHERS WHERE THIS, NOW I WILL SAY TRAVIS.
UM, WHEN GEORGE TALKED ABOUT THE INSPECTOR POSITION, UM, I'VE SEEN WHAT THE INSPECTOR HAS CAUGHT IN THE FIELD AND, UM, IT HAS BEEN AMAZING.
SO A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY SAY A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE SEEING NOW.
I DON'T, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IN THE FUTURE.
I MEAN, JUST FROM THE TIME YOU OUT AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MEAN AVERY EDUCATED ME.
SO, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN A, UH, A SHIFT.
I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN DERBY PARK WHERE THE HOA DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW AND HOA ISN'T DOING ANYTHING, YOU GOTTA HAVE A HOA THAT'S IN, YOU GOTTA HAVE RIGHT.
YOU GOTTA HAVE PROACTIVE FOLKS.
AND THERE'S SOME THAT ARE RUNNING REALLY WELL.
AND THEN SOME THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT IN THE DARK OF WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS.
BUT LIKE JEFF SAID, HAVING IT, SINCE WE HAD GOTTEN THIS INSPECTOR, WHAT HE HAS SHOWN AND WHAT HE HAS HELD UP, NOT JUST THE STREET, NOT JUST THE STREETS, BECAUSE HE DOES, HE DOES A GREAT JOB LOOKING AFTER THE STREETS, BUT HE DOES THE STATE OF COVER ON THE, ON THE BANKS AT LOT OF PEOPLE END UP WITH THE STORM POND.
IT'S ALREADY GOT ALMOST SEVEN.
UM, SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS PRIOR TO EVEN THINKING ABOUT US ACCEPTING ANY ROADS.
SO LIKE JEFF SAID, WE WE'VE RESOLVED A LOT OF DEFICIENCIES THAT SHOW UP AFTER THE DEVELOPERS.
AND WE'VE SEEN THIS IN BIGGER SUBDIVISIONS.
WE'VE SEEN SOME, SOME ROADWAYS AND LARGER SUBDIVISIONS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE PASSED WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE WAY WE'RE EXPECTING.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO RESOLVE A LOT OF ISSUES GOING FORWARD DOES THAT, AND I KNOW AVERY SMITH, OUR SUPERINTENDENT, WHEN WE DO THESE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS, HE TRIES TO WORK WITH THE HOA.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FORCE A $25,000 REMEDIATION IF THEY CAN JUST GET THEM ON BOARD WITH WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND EDUCATING THEM A LOT.
AND HE WAS FANTASTIC ABOUT THAT.
AND SO I KIND OF, I JOKE WITH HIM ALL THE TIME.
I SAID KIND OF FEEL LIKE I COULD COME WORK FOR YOU NOW.
SO YEAH, NO, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, I'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, UH, A GOOD JOB OF BRIDGING THAT GAP, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME UNDERLYING ISSUES THAT I SAW.
AND THEN THEY ARE MORE AWARE OF SOME OF THOSE THAT HAVE CONCERNED.
HOPEFULLY WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DIVISIONS IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
WHITE MEN HAVE AFFORDED, UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF IT WE DON'T GET TO SEE BECAUSE THE GFL CONTRACTS OR CONTRACT YOUR NAME, ALL CITY INSURANCE, OR OUR OVERALL BUDGET MAY LOOK LARGE.
YOU KNOW, THIS MONEY IS, UH, IN AND OUT.
AND IT'S NOT REALLY THAT WE DID THE HANDLING AND HE WAS RECEIVING ACTUAL CITY TO INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE OVER 15 EMPLOYEES AT ANY GIVEN TIME WITH THE HIM DEPARTMENT, THE CITY PUBLIC WORKS AND THE WATER PROBLEM THAT WAS ADDRESSED EARLIER IN, UM, THE WATER RISE, THE WATER IS HANDLED THROUGH WATER RESOURCES AS WELL.
SO WHEN WE JUST DO STREAM STORM WATER, UM, AS IT PERTAINS TO INFRASTRUCTURE, HE KNOWS THE WATER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WHERE I REMEMBER HIS COMMENTS NOW
I FIND IT SOMETIMES FRUSTRATING WHERE SOMETIMES HERE TOO MUCH SEEMS LIKE THIS BOARD OVER.
WE JUST, UH, UNDERSTANDS THINGS THAT SEEMS BIG BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCES.
AND THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW.
WE BOTH, WE BOTH KNOW BECAUSE THIS HAS GONE TO THE ALDERMAN.
EVERYONE'S DECIDED TO CHANGE THE RULES.
I MEAN, IT'S CHIP GROCERY CHAINS WHERE IT COMES TO US.
AND IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES, WE HAVE TO PRESENT THAT.
BUT IT'S, UH, MATTER OF FACT, WHEN SOME
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MOBILE, WHEN THIS BAN WILL MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE, UH, SHORT TERM STAYTHERE'S A LOT OF POLITICS IN THAT.
BUT I THINK IF I'M BUILDING NOTE BLOAT ARISE AND THAT WHOLE SECTION, WE BOOK OKAY.
TO A FIVE DIFFERENT NUMBER OF THESE FIVE.
AND NOW WE FIND OUT THAT WATER THERE, THE ONE WHO CRASHED IN AND OUT OF THAT PLACE PRIOR TO DAIRY, BIGGER THING.
AND IT'S, I THINK IT'S LOOKING FOR DISASTER ANYWAY.
THERE'S A LOT THAT I HAVE SOLVED
ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT TH AT THIS POINT? NOW THE JEFF BUTTON, MY UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEND THE DRAFT LETTER TO US IN THE NEXT PACKET THAT WE GET FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
NO, BE ON, UM, MY, MY PLAN WAS TO PUT IT ON THE NEXT, ALL THE MANAGERS.
I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT IS.
IT'S AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR IT'S UNDER ATTORNEY COMMENTS OR SOMETHING.
I THOUGHT IT'S A MAIN, MAIN, MY MEMORY IS I THOUGHT YOU WANTED ME TO SIGN THE LETTERS.
AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO