Jul 21, 2021 Historic Preservation Commission

UM, THERE'S NO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

SO I CALL FOR A MOTION TO DISPENSE WITH THE READING OF THE MINUTE.

SECOND, SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

THE MOTION PASSED.

[3. Approval of Minutes of Previous Meeting(s)]

WAIT A MINUTE.

THE MINUTES FROM JUNE THE 13TH, 16TH.

SORRY.

SO ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE MINUTES OF JUNE THE 16TH? OKAY.

SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE MINUTES? SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

THE MINUTES FOR JUNE 16TH HAVE PASSED.

TO OUT HERE THIS EVENING, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

SO AS AN INTRODUCTION

[4A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process]

MORE OF ALL OF THEM.

IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEWBORNS LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT DOWNTOWN.

AND RIVERSIDE'S BASED ON U S DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STANDARDS, CITY ORDINANCES, AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HBC INCLUDE APPROVING MAC APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

DUE TO NEGLECT.

THE HBC HOLDS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THE COMMISSION HERE IS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION.

THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY, OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONER SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES OR HEARSAY DURING THE HEARING.

THE COMMISSION'S DECISIONS ARE BASED ON THE APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT A HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE HISTORIC GUY BOX.

SIR, IF YOU CAN SWEAR IN ANY PRESENTERS FOR TWO NIGHTS, WE'D HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS.

MADAM CHAIR, RECUSING MYSELF FROM THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

WELL, I'M UP HERE RIGHT NOW.

OKAY, COOL.

NOW TO GET SWORN IN, PUT YOURS ON THE APP SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK IN ANY CAPACITY YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD.

NOW, NOW IS THE TIME .

SO THIS WAS A SUMMARY OF OUR

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PROCEDURE FOR COA APPLICATION.

HBC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT, OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTS THE APPLICATION PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND PRESENT EVIDENCE.

REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE AFRICA AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.

THE HBC COMMISSIONER PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE APPLICANT, OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION.

COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSED THE EVIDENCE THEY ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT ARE THE PRESENTERS THAT THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WAS STATED.

FINDINGS OF THAT THE MOTION IS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION, THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A VOTE ON THE CO ON THE MOTION.

BOB, THE COMMISSION, A COA CAN BE APPROVED.

IT CAN BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR IT CAN BE DENIED.

SO WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR FIRST APPLICATION, WHICH IS TWO 11 PAWLIK STREET.

YOU RECEIVED, YOU RECEIVED THE LETTER.

MOVE OVER.

UH, RECOUP, UH, TWO O'CLOCK.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR CHAIR, JUST AS A MATTER OF CLARITY.

UM, CAN WE STATE MR. CLOTS REASON FOR HIS RECUSAL ON THE ROAD? YES.

I JUST SAID HE DID IT BECAUSE HE LIVES WITH DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU WANT HIM TO SAY IT? YES, PLEASE.

SHE WANTS YOU TO SAY I RECEIVED A LETTER NOTIFYING ME AS A PERSON WHO LIVED WITHIN A HUNDRED FOOT MARCHING.

SO WE'VE HAD A MOTION FOR YOUR RECUSAL AND THE SECOND, SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

WE WILL LET YOU SIT OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.

MADAM CHAIR.

I DO HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST DESIGN AND REPRESENTING APPLICANTS FOR ITEMS B AND C ON THE AGENDA AS THEY'RE ARCHITECTED.

SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE OUR CO-CHAIR WE MOVE? SHE'LL MOVE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

SAY, AYE.

WE HAVE TO BE A SECOND.

SECOND, SECOND.

THANK YOU A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

WE WILL LET YOU, ARE WE NOW WITHOUT A QUORUM, WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM BECAUSE THE QUORUM GOES WITH WHO YOU STARTED WITH.

AM I RIGHT? MA'AM A QUORUM IS RELATED TO WHO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PRESENT THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.

SO, AND MADAM CHAIR, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF OUR RECORD KEEPER, UM, CAN THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION TO IX AFFIRM MR. CLAUSES, RECUSAL RAISE THEIR HAND AND THE SECOND DARK SHIPYARD.

LET'S TRY IT.

SO WE NOW HAVE FOUR OF US UP HERE AND SO THAT'S ENOUGH FOR CALL.

US GO TO THE FIRST ITEM THEN, WHICH IS TWO 11 POLIC STREET, SIR, IF, UM, YOU CAN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THAT.

SO LET

[4B. 211 Pollock St. – to include construction of terrace lined by 4-foot-high brick garden walls in the Primary AVC.]

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND A LITTLE THAT IS ARIEL AND THE ARROW POINTING TO THE BUILDING.

SO WHERE ARE WE GETTING WITH THE APPLICATIONS SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN? AND YOU CAN SEE THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AND THEN SIGNED AND DATED BY THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE COVER SHEET FOR THAT APPLICATION.

AND THIS IS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THERE'S AUTHORIZATION FOR WORK.

SO YOU CAN MAKE THIS SMALLER.

SO AT LEAST WE CAN STOP THIS SPOT.

UM, THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY

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AND WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT ON THE STREET WITH ME, FOR US TO BUILD IT.

AND DOES IT SEEM LIKE THIS IS A, A S A SITE PLAN OF THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE AS THE, UH, THE ONLY AREA OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S AFFECTED BY THIS APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT.

UM, HERE WE HAVE THE SIDEWALK AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, UH, AND THEN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, IN THE MIDDLE AND AT THE BOTTOM IS THE VERY EDGE OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WAS BEING THE FRONT WALL.

THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF U SHAPE.

UM, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, PRIMARILY, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TERRACE, THIS WHITE AREA TALKING ABOUT BRICK, UH, OR ANY WALLS AROUND THIS TERRACE THAT ARE ALL SHOWN IN THIS, UH, BLACK CROSS HATCHING.

UH, AND THEN THE, UH, THE CIVIL AREA IS LAWN.

AND THEN THE PURPLE AREA, THE PURPLE ITEMS ARE, UH, LANDSCAPING.

AND THERE'S ALSO A, UH, ITCHING FENCE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, THE BEST DISAPPEARING.

THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE FRONT OF THE PROJECT.

UH, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE, A BRICK GARDEN WALLS ARE, UH, SHORT FOUR FEET TALL, AND THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE EVEN SHORTER AND ARE SOME HEDGES TERRACING EFFECT.

AND THIS IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE ENTRANCE STRAIGHT INTO THE EXISTING DOORWAY, ABOUT TWO MORE ELEVATIONS FROM THE SIDE, UH, FROM EACH SIDE FROM THE, UH, UM, UH, EAST SIDE OVER HERE ON THE LEFT AND OFF FROM THE WEST SIDE ON THE RIGHT.

AND SO YOU CAN ALSO SEE THOSE, UH, FOUR FOOT WALLS, UH, REMAIN AT THAT HEIGHT OR LOWER THROUGHOUT THE FRONT.

AND YOU CAN SEE SOME REPRESENTATION OF SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED LATER.

UM, THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES SOME, UH, UH, LINK BRICKS EMBEDDED IN THERE.

SO THIS IS A RENDERING THAT WAS REQUESTED AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, SHOWING THE PROJECT IN THE STREETSCAPE.

AND YOU CAN SEE DOWN HERE ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEN THE OTHER DIRECTION ALSO REQUESTED AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, THERE WAS AN ARROW HERE TO SHOW WHERE IT IS BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY CAN'T REALLY SEE IT WHERE IT WOULD BE.

SO THIS IS A RANDOM BRINGING THE MUCH CLOSER UP TO GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF THE ACTUAL DESIGN.

I'M NOT SURE WHO ALL CAN SEE THAT , WE CAN MAKE THIS LARGER IF YOU'D LIKE, WE'LL SKIP THAT FOR NOW.

CONTINUE.

WE, UM, HAVE THE, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTION INSPECTORS REPORT HERE AS WELL.

I CAN PULL UP THE SIGN ONE IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN PUT IT ON THE SCREEN.

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MAYBE JUST PASS IT AROUND TO ALL OF US TO SEE, SO YOU CAN SEE IT HAS BEEN SIGNED AND REVIEWED AND COMMENTED PRIMARILY.

UM, SO, UH, THIS SHOWS THAT THE ZONING OFFICIAL HAS REVIEWED IT AND SAID THAT IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS HAS ALSO REVIEWED IT AND SAID IT WAS REQUIRED ARE, UH, WHEN YOU'RE READY.

SO WE'VE ALREADY HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE BEEN ACCUSED OVER THIS.

DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS? UH, YES.

MA'AM GOOD EVENING.

MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS TRIPP YOU ON PRINCIPAL WITH NBN ARCHITECTS, UH, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

WE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TIME AT DESIGN REVIEW TO HELP CRAFT OUR APPLICATION, TO GET US TO THIS POINT TONIGHT.

UM, OUR APPLICATION IS, UH, TECHNICALLY UNCHANGED FROM WHAT WE REVIEWED AT DESIGN REVIEW.

THE ONLY, UM, CHANGES ARE THAT ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS WERE ASKED OR WHICH, UH, WE'VE JUST SEEN THIS EVENING.

AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THOSE TO US TONIGHT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THE APPLICATION? STEPH DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS AND, UM, ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT NEED TO GET MORE DETAIL.

WE CAN DO THAT WHEN WE, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PARK.

OF YOUR HOUSE PLOTS? MY ADDRESS IS TWO 18 POLLOCK STREET.

ARE THERE ANY NOTIFY PROPONENTS OF THIS APPLICATION WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, SEEING, UH, ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED OPPONENTS OF THIS APPLICATION? YES, SIR.

COULD YOU COME UP TO THE SPEAKER AND TELL US YOUR NAME AND THE ADDRESS

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YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I IDENTIFIED AND WANTING TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.

ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES, IF WE START WITH 2.12, TWO, IT SAYS THERE ARE AREAS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAY HAVE BEEN WEAKENED BY VACANT LOTS AND NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES IN SUCH AREAS.

PREFERENCE SHALL BE GIVEN TO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WHEN DEFINING THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR CONSTRUCTION.

CHARLES, WOULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER? I MOVE YOUR MIC A LITTLE.

THAT HELP.

I'LL READ THAT AGAIN.

THERE ARE AREAS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MAY HAVE BEEN WEAKENED BY VACANT LOTS NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES IN SUCH AREAS.

PREFERENCE SHALL BE GIVEN TO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WHEN DEFINING THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION.

AND SHORTLY, IT WILL MAKE SENSE AS TO WHY I CITED THAT ONE.

BUT FROM HERE, WE'LL GO TO GUIDELINE 3.1 0.1 SAYS, CONSIDER THE SCALE MAY HAVE SOME PROPORTION INHERENT INTO THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

AND DOES IT MEAN MODIFICATIONS THAT INCORPORATE THESE CHARACTERISTICS USE BASIC SHAPES AND FORMS THAT ARE COMMON TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND THEN PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, WHICH IS 4.6.

WE TOO, IT SAYS LOCATE DECKS IN SECONDARY AND TERTIARY AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN SHOULD SAY THAT THEN LOCATE DECKS IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN IN THE SCREEN, THE UNDECIDED, THE SHRUBBERY, ET CETERA.

THIS COMES UNDER DECKS AND PATIOS IN OUR GUIDANCE.

AND I HAVE FOUND NO STRUCTURES OF THIS NATURE ANYWHERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, NO DECKS, NO PATIO IS THAT EXTENDED FROM THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO FAR AS THIS ONE DOES, IF WE LOOK AT THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE BLOCK, THERE IS NO DECK.

THERE IS NO PATIO, THERE ARE PORTRAITS.

AND NONE OF THE PORCHES THEMSELVES ARE MORE THAN EIGHT FEET IN WIDTH.

DOES THIS PROPOSAL IS 20, WHICH FAR EXCEEDS THE DESIGN OF THE REST OF THAT BLOCK.

BUT ANY OTHER BLOCK IN NUMEROUS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE ARE NO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THE PATIO OUT FRONT.

IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THE RESTAURANTS, THE PATIOS AND DECK AREAS THAT THEY HAVE, OR TERTIARY AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN, OR IN SECONDARY AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN, NOTHING IN THE PRIMARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN.

SO BASED ON THE GUIDELINES, I WOULDN'T BE AGAINST THIS APPLICATION.

THANK YOU WITH THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UM, OUR, WE BOTTLE TO JUST CLOTH.

I THINK DR.

JOE MAKES SOME GOOD POINTS.

UM, UH, FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A NON-CONFORMING BUILDING WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, DR.

JOE'S MENTIONED A LOT OF TERMINOLOGY THAT HAS MEANING AND OUR GUIDELINES.

UM, AND IT'S UP TO THIS BOARD TO INTERPRET WHAT NOMENCLATURE APPLIES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

UM, ALTERNATIVELY, I'D DESCRIBE THIS MORE AS A SERIES OF GARDEN WALLS AND CLOSING A TERRACE, AND WE'VE TRIED TO INCORPORATE SOME STEP TERRACE, UH, LANDSCAPING AND PLANNERS, UM, TO, TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION AND WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A CONGRUENCE WAY TO, UH, HAVE THIS KIND OF MODIFICATION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE USE OF IT IS AS AN EXTENSION TO A RESTAURANT AND IT'LL HAVE TABLES AND INTELLECT CHAIRS AND PATRONS.

SO SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? OKAY.

THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT, BUT THE OBSERVATION IS THE USE OF THE PROJECT.

THE USE OF THE PROJECT IS NOT AS A GARDEN.

IT'S

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AND THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, A TERRORIST, THE GARDEN IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS ANY RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND HAS STANDING THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS BLOG, SEEING THE, COULD WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATOR STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS? OKAY.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT FOR TWO OF THEM COLLEGE STREET FOR US.

SUELA SORRY.

UH, THE PROPERTY HAS KNOWN THIS MARKETING.

UH, IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, UH, AND THERE ARE, THERE ARE THEREFORE NO, UH, NATIONAL REGISTER, MANDATORY DESCRIPTIONS NOR DESCRIPTION IN THE SAMPLE SENT BACK.

UM, SO THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION ON THE TERRORIST LINE BY FOUR FOOT HYBRID GARDEN WALLS IN THE PRIMARY ABC STAFFS.

AND THIS FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.

THE LANDSCAPING FROM 4.3, 2.4 0.4 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.4 DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.4 MAY SCREEN 1.2 METALS, 5.3 0.2 AND 5.3 0.3 STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION ITSELF, STRETCHING ART.

WHEN THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT LEAD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL IS THE GARDEN MALL AND PATIO PROJECT PROPOSED THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES OR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED HIS PROJECT AND COMMENTS.

AND ACCORDINGLY A PROJECT IS NOT IN CONVERSE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF PURCHASE APPLICATION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF TERROR OF HRS LINE BY FOUR FOOT HIGH FOR CARDINALS IN THE PRIMARY MPC.

DO WE HAVE ANY EVIDENCE FROM ANY CITY STATE OR GOVERNMENT PERSON WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? SO, YOU KNOW, SIR, AS THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? THANK YOU.

SO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMISSION HERE, I W JUST A QUESTION, I HAVE IT IN LOTS OF THE, YOU DIDN'T SHOW IT IN THIS RENDERING, BUT IN LOTS OF THE DRAWINGS THAT WE SAW, THE, THE DECK PORCH, WHATEVER EXTEND NO FARTHER TO THE STREET THAN THE OTHER PORCHES ON THE, ON THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS, IT EXTENDS LESS FAR.

WELL, THAT'S THE EXTENT THAT IT'S WITHIN THE AVERAGE IT'S WITHIN THE AVERAGE, IT'S NEITHER THE FURTHEST OUT NOR THE CLOSEST TO, YEAH.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE SOME QUESTIONS LAID LIKE THAT TREES ARE GOING TO BE PLANTED THERE PLEASE? UH, WE'VE INDICATED LANDSCAPING, UH, REPRESENTING SCALE TO HELP YOU EVALUATE OUR APPLICATION.

WE WILL BE COMING BACK IN THE FUTURE WITH SPECIFIC PLANTINGS AND SPECIES.

ARE THEY PRESENT AS SCREEN OR SHADING OR WHAT FOR SCREENING? WELL, UH, IN OUR EVALUATION OF THE APPLICATION, I THINK THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING IS, IS TRYING TO SOLVE IN THE VIEW FROM THE STREET, BUT USING LANDSCAPING IN A WAY THAT WE OFTEN SEE, UH, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND SO YOU, YOU SEE, UH, THREE CATEGORIES OF PLANTINGS, ONE BEING WHAT I CALL KIND OF GROUND COVER LOW COVER IN THE, IN THE PLANTERS.

UM, DO YOU SEE SOME MANICURED BUSHES WHICH ARE MAYBE A FOOT AND A HALF TALL TO GIVE US SOME, UH, UH, TEXTURE AND VARIATION IN HEIGHT BECAUSE THAT PLAYS INTO THE THEME OF OUR DESIGN.

AND THEN LASTLY, WE'VE GOT TWO OTHER, UH, UH, LANDSCAPING ITEMS, WHICH ARE SMALL, I WOULD SAY IN THE END, THAT'S THOSE TREES ROUGHLY HAVE A HEIGHT OF ABOUT SEVEN FEET.

THE CITY ORDINANCE IS FOR THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE.

ANOTHER QUESTION.

UM, THERE'S A BIT OF BREAKFAST NEXT DOOR, AND I WONDERED, UM, IS THERE A TIME CUT OFF FOR, UM, NIGHT USE OF THE PETIA? I AM UNAWARE OF WHAT

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THERE IS ONE FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? I, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE THAT'S A ZONING ISSUE, I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED THAT TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT.

AND, UM, BUT THE PLAN IS TO BE OPEN UNTIL THE CITY SAYS, YOU HAVE TO CLOSE, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED SPECIFIC HOURS WITH OUR CLIENT.

UM, THEY WILL BE SERVING DINNER.

UM, TO EASE THINGS ON THE STREET.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IT SINCE IT'S HOT IN THAT AREA, IS, ARE THE TABLES GOING TO HAVE UMBRELLAS LESS LIKELY, SO, OKAY.

AND SO I'M WONDERING, WILL THEY BE, UH, KIND OF IN WITH THE SETTING? NOT ALL BALLOONS.

AND I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I AM CONCERNED WITH SOME OF THE CHILDREN UNDERSTOOD.

UM, AGAIN, SINCE, UH, FURNISHINGS ISN'T NECESSARILY ONE OF THE GUIDELINES.

UH, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT WITHIN OUR SERVICE TO THE CLIENT, BUT I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT IN THE SHARING.

WE HAVE SHOWED YOU SOME FIXED TABLE LOCATIONS AND, UH, I WOULD EXPECT ONE UMBRELLA PER TABLE.

SO THERE ARE FOUR TABLES I BELIEVE.

I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE RENDERINGS.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL FROM LAST TIME AND IT'S LIKE REALLY BRIGHT UP HERE AND TRYING TO ACTUALLY SEE THEM.

I'D LOVE TO SEE THE ONE THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET BECAUSE, UM, HAVING SEEN IT SORT OF IN PLAIN VIEW.

UM, OKAY.

SO NOW I SEE THERE IS LIKE PIERCINGS THROUGH THE WALL OF THE FENCE PART, UM, ANY CONSIDERATION TO LIKE THAT RAMP PART FOR THAT TO HAVE PIERCINGS.

SO THAT'S JUST, IT SEEMS JUST A LITTLE IN TERMS OF MASS AND SCALE, A LITTLE HEAVY ON THE RAMP, RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE STREET WAY TO LIGHTEN THAT UP.

UH, W W WE COULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO IT.

THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT ABOUT THAT.

UM, I THINK THAT WE'VE, UM, ALL KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH DEFINING EXACTLY WHAT DOES IS, AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES AND IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN CALLING IT A TERRORIST.

I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE HARDSCAPING.

AND THAT CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE, UH, AROUND THE DISTRICT.

AND, UM, OFFENSE IN A GARDEN HALL IS, UM, SOME CERTAINLY SOMETHING YOU'D SEE IN THE DISTRICT.

SO, YEAH.

SO WHEN YOU WERE ASKING HIM TO LIGHTEN SOMETHING UP, ARE YOU ASKING HIM TO LIGHTEN UP OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT, THE ENTRY BRIDGE, GOING DOWN THE ENTRY? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING HIM? YOU KNOW, WHAT MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE HANDICAP, MAYBE DO THOSE TWO COLUMNS NEED TO COME ALL THE WAY OUT, MAYBE, UH, JUST THAT, THAT BACKED UP A LITTLE BIT.

AND WE, JUST, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S LIKE NECESSARY IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, HANDICAP, ASSESSABILITY, BUT IF ANY WAY BACK TO LIGHTEN UP, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP A LITTLE BIT.

WE WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT AS WELL.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, IS THERE A GATE IN HERE ANYWHERE? I DON'T SEE THAT BECAUSE I'M THINKING THAT THIS OPENS RIGHT OUT ONTO THE SIDEWALK.

UM, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'D GIVEN ANY THOUGHTS TO GAUGE, TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE OTHER PLACES IN TOWN, FOR INSTANCE, THAT ARE PUTTING TABLES OUT ON THE SIDEWALK, FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, FROM WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE, NEAR THE CORNER, THERE'S A RESTAURANT DOWN THERE, AND I THINK THEY HAVE TWO OR THREE TABLES OUT FRONT.

I KNOW THEY ALSO HAVE SEAT IN THE BACK.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT TABLES THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN FURTHER RIGHT OVER HERE, UM, WHERE THE, UH, BEER ARMY IS.

THEY HAVE TABLES OUT AND OF COURSE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF MIDDLE STREET, THEY'RE NOW CLOSING AT ALL FOUR.

THEY HAVE BEEN CLOSING IT OFF ON FRIDAY NIGHT WHERE THEY GOT TABLES OUT IN THE STREET.

SO, UM, I JUST WAS WONDERING, ALTHOUGH I REALIZE EVEN IF YOU PUT A GATE, I GUESS IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO IN AND MESS THINGS UP, ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS CLIMB OVER THE WALL, UH, PREDOMINANTLY.

AND WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED A GATE AS PART OF OUR DESIGN, MAINLY BECAUSE OUR FOCUS WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT OPEN AND MAKE IT A PLACE OF ACTIVITY.

AND SO MY CLIENTS REALLY INTERESTED IN SELLING SOME ITALIAN FOOD AND PIZZA AND HAVING SOME FOLKS HAVE SOME COOL BEVERAGES OUT ON THE TERRACE.

WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO COME AND GO, COME AND GO.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TREE ON THE RIGHT BELOW THAT TREE, I SEE IT.

UM, I SEE IN THIS DESIGN AND I, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD WITH THE LIGHT BEHIND ME LOOKING AT THIS, SO I'M GOING TO GIVE THE BEST DIRECTIONS I CAN.

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AM I SEEING A HAND RAIL IN THERE THAT KIND OF YELLOW BEIGE LINE GOING UP THAT WALL? WAS THAT A HANDLER CORRECT? THE HORIZONTAL LIGHTER COLOR? YES.

AND SO, UH, SINCE YOU PICKED UP ON THAT, THE DRAWING IS A LITTLE DECEIVING BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS FAIRLY ACCURATELY SHADOWS, BUT THE, UH, THE WALL THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER STONE WAS REFERRING TO WITH THE COLUMN ON THE END, UH, THAT COLUMN, IT ACTUALLY STEPS DOWN.

AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE HANDRAIL.

AND MAYBE YOU CAN GET A BETTER IDEA BY LOOKING AT THE ENTRY WALL.

ON THE FAR SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE EDGE OF THE BRICK, AND THOSE ARE IDENTICAL.

THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE OF IT.

AGAIN, WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS LOW AND INVITING AND, AND TO INTRODUCE, UH, A NUMBER OF VARIOUS HEIGHTS, UM, TO, TO GET THE DESIGN SOME INTEREST AND GIVE IT SOME MOVEMENT.

AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE BROUGHT FOR YOU TONIGHT.

AND PERHAPS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE MAKING A LITTLE BIT LESS BOLD, THE CASH THAT YOU HAVE, PERHAPS MAYBE IT COULD BE NOT SO BOLD.

I AGREE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER SPENDING MAY HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO EARLIER.

IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD USE THE COUCH KIND OF THE WAY? WELL, THE WEIGHT RIGHT AT THE FRONT AND TO THE EXTENT IT'S NECESSARY FOR ACCESSIBILITY OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

SO WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO DEAL WITH IT.

ANOTHER QUESTION.

I'M WONDERING SINCE WE HAVE ALL THIS BED AND BREAKFAST ON POLLOCK ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION IS THE 60 FOOT SECTION IN THE, IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND THE TERTIARY AREA, DOES HE HAVE ENTRANCE FROM SOME FORM OFF OF A MAIN STREET? COULD, IS CONSTANTLY BEING, IT DOES NOT HAVE AN IT NO.

WELL, IT'S GOT AN ENTRANCE TO THE LEFT OF THE TERRACE AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM POLITICS STREET.

BUT NO CARS CAN GET BACK IN THE BACK OF IT.

BUT THERE'S NOT ANOTHER ENTRANCE TO IT.

IT'S A ONE ENTRANCE IN ONE OUT THERE'S A PARKING LOT BACK THERE HINDRANCES FROM POLLOCK STREET TO THE BACK.

ONCE YOU GET TO THE BACK, THERE'S NO ROAD OUT BACK THERE.

SO WE GET TO THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING.

SO MAYBE WE HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT ALSO, I BELIEVE SHOWS WE'RE IN THE PARKING LOT.

OH, GOOD.

THERE IT GOES.

HE'S SHOWING YOU RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S A ROAD RIGHT THERE.

CAN YOU SEE THAT? I SEE THAT.

THAT'S A DRIVEWAY TO THE BACK AS THERE'S YOU HAVE A LARGE PARKING AREA IN THE BACK, DO YOU KNOW? IT IS, UH, ONE OF THE LARGER ONES THAT ENTAILS ON A PRIVATE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

YOU'D ATTEMPT TO MATCH THE BRICK TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE MORTAR, ET CETERA.

UH, WE DO.

UM, ALTHOUGH I, I REALIZE COLOR, UM, ISN'T AS IMPORTANT TO YOU AS A GUIDELINE, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING A RED BRICK AND IT'S A CONVENTIONAL MORTAR, SO IT'LL WILL BE A LIGHT GRAY, I WOULD SAY.

COOL.

AND HAVE YOU ALL MADE PROVISIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR FLOODS AND WATER COMING UP AND ARE YOU PUTTING SOMETHING EXTERNALLY OR MY CLIENT HAS, AND, UM, THAT WORK WAS DONE OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE OF WORK, BUT, UH, ROUGHLY ABOUT THREE AND A HALF FEET UP THE WALL.

AND YOU'VE SEEN THE, UH, CODING, WHICH IS A FLOOD-PROOFING MEMBRANE.

AND I THINK THAT WAS APPROVED BY STAFF AS A MINOR.

ALRIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO IF YOU ARE WILLING THEN TO ADJUST THE ENTRANCE WAY TO MAKE IT NOT QUITE SO BOLD, WHOEVER'S GONNA MAKE, UM, THE MOTION WOULD NEED TO ADD THAT AS, AS, UH, ADDENDUM TO, TO THE APPLICATION.

AND YOU SAY YOU ARE OPEN TO DOING THAT AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK.

COULD WE AGREE THAT THEY COULD BRING IT BACK, UH, TO MATT, UH, FOR HIM TO REVIEW THAT I'M AGREEABLE.

WE'RE AGREEABLE THAT MAC WILL LOOK AT THAT AND HE HAS A QUESTION HE CAN, HE CAN LET ME KNOW.

THE ONLY CONCERN, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS I HAVE IS THE LINK THAT'S GOING TO BE OPEN AT NIGHT.

SO ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?

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WE HAVE BED AND BREAKFAST ON THAT STREET THAT WE TRY TO STAY.

SO THAT'S PART OF OUR COE DESIGNATION.

THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR PURVIEW TRIBUTE.

THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR GROWTH, BUT I DO KNOW THERE IS A CITY ORDINANCE FOR DOWNTOWN ABOUT WHEN THINGS NEED TO SHUT DOWN.

AND MY ONLY BECAUSE I LIVE DOWNTOWN AND I, I HEAR WONDERFUL NEWS COMING, COMING FROM THAT ON THE WATERFRONT.

SO, SO I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE IS ONE THAT I WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S 10 O'CLOCK, BUT I, OF COURSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THERE, THERE IS ONE I'M IN BED BEFORE I'M IN BED BEFORE THE END.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN, WELL, I SIT DOWN ON MY SIDE PORT SOME TIME AND LISTEN TO THE NICE MUSIC, THE CONCERT.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? OKAY.

SO, UM, CAN I HEAR A MOTION? YES.

UM, JAY, I MOVED THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 11 POLITICS STREET FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS B.

UH, WE FIND THAT NOT, IT'S NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCES, 15 DASH 4 1 1 15 DASH 29 AND NEWBURN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT LANDSCAPING 2.0 0.3 AND 2.4 0.4 FENCES IN GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.4 DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.4 MASONARY 5.1 0.2 METALS 5.3 0.2 AND 5.3 0.3.

STATEMENTS OF REASON THE PROJECT'S LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN PROPOSAL OF THE GARDEN WALL AND PATIO PROJECT PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

UH, CITY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES, WITH THE, UM, PROVISION THAT THE FRONT WALL BE APPROPRIATELY SOFTENED AND REVIEWED BY BAT.

OR WE HAVE A SECOND.

DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THE MOTION? OKAY.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

THE MOTION PASSES.

SO THERE'S THREE OF US SAYING, UH, ARE THERE ANY WHO ARE OPPOSED HAVE ONE OPPOSITION? OKAY.

SO THE MOTION THEN DOES PASS.

SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? HAVE IT MOVED? WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

NO, WE HAVE ONE, UH, THE MOTION PASSES.

WELL, THANK YOU.

SO YOU'RE COMING BACK TO US IN JUST A MOMENT.

SO JOE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS, WITH THE HARVEY.

MANSARD RIGHT.

SO WE CAN, WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE, OKAY.

UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? YES.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED HEARING? NONE, JOE, YOU CAN READ YOUR ONCE.

SO CAN WE HAVE THE INFORMATION ON 2 21 SOUTH BROAD STREET OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE HARVEY MANSION? ABSOLUTELY.

[4C. 221 S. Front St. (Harvey Mansion) – to include the restoration of two chimneys, the removal of two modern balconies, the addition of 4 new balconies, and the reconfiguration of doors and windows for the balcony changes, all in the Tertiary AVC.]

SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR THIS AS WELL.

AND LET'S SEE IS, UH, WE CAN FEED IT HERE AND SIGN THIS FOR THE OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE MBF SIGN.

THIS ROW, UM, SHOWED US SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOWED UP THE CHIMNEYS.

SO AGAIN, AND HERE, UM, ARE A SERIES OF HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE HAD SEEN DURING THE INTERVIEW AS WELL.

UM, UH, BEGINNING IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY, EVEN THOUGH THE, UH, DOES OF COURSE DATE FROM MUCH EARLIER PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE PRESENTED, UH, AND

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UH, AND SO THE FIRST IDEAS OR OPPORTUNITIES ARE CURRENTLY TO ADD THE OTHER TWO BACK.

AND FINALLY THIS PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS THE, UH, CURRENT BACKSIDE, UM, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE.

UH, THIS IS AN ARIEL AND THE SITE PLAN VERY WELL ON THE LEFT SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IN THE CITY.

UH, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THE, UH, DARK AREA IS BUILDING ITSELF AND THE LIGHT AREAS BE A PARKING AREA WITH ACCESS, UH, ON, FROM SOUTH FRONT STREET ON THE SIDE HERE AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS ACTUALLY FENCED IN FOR UTILITIES.

SO, UM, AND SO THE ED FIRMS, ACTUALLY, I SHOULD MENTION THE ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY FROM THIS, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT.

UH, THERE IS NO ENTRANCE OFF THE SIDEWALK.

THESE ARE TWO ELEVATIONS, UH, ONE FROM THE PARKING LOT SIDE ON THE LEFT.

UH, OBVIOUSLY THE ENTRANCE HERE IN THE MODEL.

UH, BUT NO IS ABOUT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR TWO BALCONIES WITH TWO NARROW DOORWAYS LONG BEACH.

UH, THEN ON RIGHT-HAND SIDE, WE'RE ON THE RIGHT, RIGHT.

UH, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE STREET WHERE THE DOORWAYS, AS I MENTIONED, UH, AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE HERE.

UH, THE TWO SIDE POSITIONS, UH, CLEARLY DETECT THAT THERE'S ON EACH ONE, THERE IS ONE SHOOTING.

THIS IS JIMMY, THIS SH ON THIS EAST ELEVATION.

AND ONCE YOU MEET ON THE WEST ELEVATION, UH, NEUROSIS ENTRANCE IS HERE WITH THEIR PROJECT.

AND, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE, SAY ON THIS ELEVATION HERE ON, BUT USE THIS ONE, THE TWO THAT ARE EXTENDED ON THAT SIDE.

ADD ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, I'LL SKIP THE INTRODUCTION LIST.

SO THIS IS THEIR PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THOSE BALCONIES IN THE DOORWAYS AND TURNING THEM INTO WINDOWS AND THEN ADD FOUR BALCONIES, UH, IN THEIR STEAD, UH, AND EXTENDING ONE FOR EACH ONE WITHOUT EXTENDING ONE OF THE WINDOWS, UH, INTO A DOORWAY.

WE HAVE SAY A NEW DOORWAY HERE WHERE THE WINDOW, SAME HERE AND STANDING HERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE SHOWING THE BRICK INFILL FOR THE PREVIOUS DOORS AT THE LOCATION WITH RIGHT HAND SIDE.

I'M SORRY.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE BALCONIES AND STAND ABOUT SAME DISTANCE AS THE PREVIOUS ONES.

AND THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDE DETAIL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BALCONIES, WHICH INCLUDES THE AVAILING AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT RAILING.

AND IMPORTANTLY, THAT IT'S THE ONLY ANALYSIS HERE ARE ON CENTER WITH THE HAND RAIL AND THE RAIL MONITOR.

ALSO THE FACING OF THE ALCHEMY ITSELF IS A, THE, UH, THE ACRONYM B UM, ALSO A TNG.

AND THEN THIS IS OUR, UH, INSPECTIONS AND ZONING, OR HERE IN THIS CASE, IT'S BUILD THAT.

AND WE CAN SEE THAT IT DOES MEET THE, UH, LAND USE ORDINANCE.

AND IT WILL REQUIRE THAT OTHERWISE WE'RE READY WITH OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

CORRECT.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THIS BROAD, ANYONE WHO HAS ANY ISSUES ON THE APPLICATION COMPLETENESS SEEING NONE? SO WITH THE ADVOCATE LIED TO

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AND, UH, UH, AGAIN, THIS APPLICATION IS, AS IT WAS PRESENTED THAT DESIGN REVIEW AND, UM, I THINK STAFF DID AN ADEQUATE JOB OF HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS AND LOOKING AT CERTAINLY ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AS THEY COME UP.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GIVE TESTIMONY WHO IS A NOTIFIED PROPONENT OF THIS PROJECT? IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GET TO GIVE TESTIMONY WHO IS A NOTIFIED OPPONENT OF THIS PROJECT? THERE'S NONE SO FAR, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE REBUTTALS.

WE DON'T NEED ANY OF THOSE.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND HAS STANDING WHO WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT ANY INFORMATION SEEING NONE, SIR, IF YOU COULD GIVE US THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS PROJECT.

SO THIS IS FOR THE, UH, PROJECT THAT HE'S PUTTING ON SOUTH STREET FOR JOHN HARDY, LLC.

UH, AND IT'S OUR PROPERTY NAME IS RD MANSION BUILT AROUND 1798.

IT IS LISTED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FOR THIS 2003 IS A FEDERAL STYLE.

THREE STORIES ABOUT RAISED BASEMENT, FIVE DAYS WIDE AIRED, CENTRAL WINDOWS ABOVE THE ARCH INFANTS INTERIOR IN CHIMNEYS AND GABLE AND ERIC OF THE ROOF.

THE SAND BACK DESCRIPTION WAS QUITE LONG, BUT THE ONLY RELEVANT PIECES WERE THAT IN WAS CONVERTED TO APARTMENTS IN THE 1940S.

UH, OR SO THE PROJECT IS DESCRIBED TO INCLUDE THE RESTORATION OF TWO CHIMNEYS REMOVAL OF TWO MODERN BALCONIES.

THE ADDITION WITH BALCONIES AND THE RECONFIGURATION FOR AND WINDOWS WITH BALCONY CHANGES ALL IN TERTIARY C ASSESSMENTS, ONLY SURFACE GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR MODIFICATIONS FOR YOUR QUESTION, 3.4 0.4 OR 0.3 0.1 OR 0.3 0.2 OR 4, 3, 4, 3, 5 0.1 0.1 1.2, 1.4 5.3 5.1 5.4 0.3 STATEMENTS.

THE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF SPECIMEN ART ON THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE FENCE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL IS RENOVATION AND RESTORATION PROJECT THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.

THE PROJECT IS NOT ENFORCED.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION FOR RESTORATION OF TWO CHIMNEYS REMOVAL OF TWO MODERN BALCONIES IN ADDITION, AFFORDED BALCONIES AGREE CONFIGURATION.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS ANY EVIDENCE OR TESTIMONY FROM ANY STATE CITY OR GOVERNMENT BODY SEEING NONE, SIR.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION? OKAY, SO MEMBERS, WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS DO YOU HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME? IT LOOKS LIKE THE STRUCTURE ORIGINALLY HAD FOUR.

AND YOU'RE SAYING AS ONE NOW, AND YOU'RE ADDING TO THAT.

THERE ARE TWO.

NOW THERE ARE TWO NOW.

SO WE'D LIKE APPROVAL TO ADD THE OTHER TWO.

AND DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THE BUILDING TO KNOW MORE OR LESS WHERE THOSE OTHER TWO CHIMNEYS GO? IS THERE SOMETHING IN TORONTO OR IN THE STRUCTURE TO KNOW WHERE THEY BELONG? UH, W WE HAVE VERY, UH, GOOD CLUES, I WILL SAY, UH, INTERIOR TO THE ATTIC.

AND OUR PLAN IS TO REPLICATE THE CHIMNEYS THAT ARE EXISTING WHEN WE RECONSTRUCT THE MISSING ONE.

AREN'T THEY SURFACEABLE CHIMNEYS ARTIST FOR A SHOT? WELL, THEY WERE SERVICEABLE AT ONE TIME, BUT THEN THEY WERE NO LONGER.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE RECONSTRUCTED ONES, UH, WHAT WILL NOT, UM, FUNCTION AS FIREPLACES.

A QUESTION ABOUT, SO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT FACES THE TWIN RIVER, UH, THOSE MIDDLE BALCONIES THAT ARE THERE.

I HAD

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YES MA'AM WERE THEY, SO WERE THEY ORIGINALLY THERE AND THEY WOULD JUST MAKE INTO DOORS AND BALCONIES.

SO, SO THE BEST, UM, WE CAN SURMISE IS THOSE BALCONIES ARE CIRCA 1970 WHEN A PREVIOUS OWNER DID A LOT OF WORK TO WHAT WE NOW RECOGNIZE AS THE HARVEY MANSION.

UM, WE HAVE IN OUR, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS FROM EVIDENCE OF SLEEPING PORCHES AND OTHER CONSTRUCTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

AND SO, UM, I CAN SAY WITH SOME CERTAINTY THAT AT LEAST, UH, UH, FROM, UH, MY INTERPRETATION OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BUILT IN THE LATE 17 HUNDREDS, THAT THOSE BALCONIES DID NOT EXIST.

AND WERE THERE WINTERS THERE? OKAY.

THAT'S OUR PRESUMPTION JUST BECAUSE THE DOORS ARE SO NARROW.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, UH, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE TWO NARROW WINDOWS THAT HAPPENED TO BE BATHROOM WINDOWS, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THE SAME HAPPENED ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE.

AND THOSE WERE CONVERTED AT SOME TIME TO, UH, CONSTRUCT ABOUT, SO ON THE, ON THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING THAT FACES THE STREET, WHICH IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

SO THE PICTURE THERE SHOWS TWO, IS THAT TWO SMALL WINDOWS ABOVE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE FRONT DOOR? UH, YES.

MA'AM WE BELIEVE SO.

AND ARE YOU GOING TO REPLACE THE BACK PART? COULD YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT THAT THAT PROBABLY MATCHED THE BAT.

SO WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE PRESENT BALCONIES AWAY, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT INTO SMALL WINDOWS? IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO? I BELIEVE WE HAVE YES.

IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, SAY THAT AGAIN.

SO ON THE BACK PART RIGHT HERE WHERE THESE TWO DOORS ARE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE TWO DOORS, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE ARE WINDOWS ABOVE IT, TRANSOMS ABOVE IT.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THESE TWO DOORS.

YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE BALCONIES, AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THESE TWO, WHAT ARE NOW DOOR AREAS INTO TWO, TWO WINDOWS LIKE WERE IN THE FRONT ORIGINALLY? CORRECT.

AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A PICTURE SHOWING WHAT YOU'RE ASKING RIGHT HERE.

I GOT YOU NOW.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY CONCERNS? OKAY.

JUST ONE, I GUESS IN LIKE COMMENT IS TO THE EXTENT THAT THE, UH, ALL THE PAIN SIZES ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, I'M JUST, IT'S JUST TERMS OF THROWING IT OUT THERE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT A FULL GET BACK WHERE YOU WERE MATT, UM, GET BACK TO YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

SEE HOW THOSE ARE.

UM, AS OPPOSED TO US SMALL WINDOW WITH A SIX OVER SIX IN THAT, RIGHT.

THE PAINS AS THE SAME, MORE SIMILAR.

SO THIS IS EXISTING, RIGHT.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO YOU CAN GET BACK TO THE DRAWING FOR THE NEW ONE FOR OVER FOUR AND THE SMALL ONES.

ARE THEY IN THE UNITS GOING TO BE IN THERE? ARE THERE IN BATHROOMS? BATHROOM.

SO FOUR, FOUR ARE THOSE FIXED.

SO THOUGHT WE HAD FOUR BEFORE, MAYBE, MAYBE DO 79.

SO THAT WAS, I THINK WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE IS THE PAIN SIZES WORK.

CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE ALL DIFFERENT.

SO, SO IF WE CAN, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHEN DOES SASHES AND, UM, OUR INTENT, UM, OBVIOUSLY THEIR HISTORIC WINDOWS, ALL THE I'D BE SURPRISED IF THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED YEARS OLD, THEY MIGHT BE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, MAYBE.

UH, BUT OUR INTENT IS, UM, TO REPLICATE THE SAME TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE BUILDING FOR THE WINDOW FRAMES AND THE SASHES, INCLUDING THE, THE MOUNTAINS.

AND, UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, RENDERING FROM FRONT TO BACK ARE THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS TO SERVE APARTMENTS, CONDOMINIUMS. AND WHAT I'M ASKING REALLY ARE THOSE WINDOWS IN A HALLWAY,

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SO IT'S A PART OF THE, OKAY.

GOTCHA.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS YOU, YOU HAD GIVEN THESE SMALL WINNERS, YOU'VE GIVEN SIX OVER SIX, LIKE THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN EACH OF THESE APARTMENTS.

AND ARE YOU DOWN SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM FOR OVER FOUR? NO, MA'AM AT THE CENTER.

WINDOWS JUST HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FENESTRATION THAN THE EXISTING ONES.

AND OUR INTENT IS TO MAKE THEM MATCH.

SO THEY, THE EXISTING SMALL WINDOWS WHERE THE ORIGINAL BALCONY DOORS WERE, ARE FOUR OVER FOUR, UNLESS I'M COUNTING ROOM.

IT'S JUST GOT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FRAME.

THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

MY FRIENDS TEND TO MAKE BEFORE FOR LIKE THE FRONT.

SO WHOEVER'S GOING TO MAKE THIS MOTION NEEDS TO INCLUDE THIS DETAIL IN THE MOTION.

THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT SO THAT IT MATCHES THE FRONT ONE.

I WOULD TALK ABOUT JUST THE WINDOWS, NOT THE DOORS.

DO YOU HAVE TO THESE FOUR WINDOWS, THE MATCH, THE FOUR WINTERS THAT ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE ON, ON SOUTH ORANGE STREET, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO IF YOU'LL WRITE THAT DOWN AND THEN ASK THAT TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO MATT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE CLA OKAY.

I MOVE THAT.

WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE.

FOR 2 21 FRONT STREET, SOUTH FRONT STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH 4 1 1 15 2 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEWBURN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 AND 3.2 0.4, WINDOWS AND DOORS, 4.3 0.1 THROUGH 4.3 0.3 NATION 5 1 1 THROUGH 5 41 0.4 PETALS 5.3 0.3 WOULD 5.2 0.1 AND 5.2 0.2, THANK 5.4 0.1 5.4 0.2 AND 5.4 0.3.

STATEMENTS OF REASON THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS A RENOVATION AND RESTORATION PROJECT, PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES IT'S OWNING ADMINISTRATIVE CHIEF, BUILDING OFFICIAL, EVER REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY PROJECTS, NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES, UM, WITH THE FINDINGS OF FACT, AS OPPOSED TO STATEMENTS.

CORRECT? FINDINGS OF FACT.

YEP.

UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UH, UH, DOORS TO BE RE-INSTALLED AS WINDOWS ON THE REAR SIDE OF THE BUILDING BEFORE, BEFORE AS VERSUS AS SHOW.

NEXT, THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBERS NUMBER D 8 0 9 EAST FRONT STREET, CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW INFIELD HOUSE.

IS EVERYONE CLEAR ON THE MOTION? ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO CAN WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECOND, HAVE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED HEARING NONE MOTION PASSED.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

SAY NAY HEARING NONE.

THE MOTION PASSES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH RIGHT ON.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO BRING OUR COMMITTEE MEMBER BACK TO THE BOARD? WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND WITH PEGGY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

SO ARE YOU READY TO COME AND JOIN US? OKAY.

SO THE

[4D. 809 E. Front St. – to include the construction of a new infill house on a vacant parcel.]

JUST THE APPLICATION YES.

SO HERE WE HAVE OUR APPLICATION AGAIN.

UM, WE PREPARED THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE AND DATED THESE AUTHORIZATION PROPERTIES.

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SIGNATURE.

UH SO HERE'S OUR FIRST SHEET.

UM, LET ME SEE, SORRY.

UH, THE OVERALL SUBDIVISION, UH, AREA AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IS ONE CLUB.

SO UPPER LEFT SECOND FROM THE TOP, RIGHT? UH, THE EXISTING BUILDING IS AT 12 INCHES.

UH, THE SHOWN HERE IS BLANK DOESN'T EXIST.

SO WE ALSO SEE HERE A QUICK, UH, RENDERING OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

UM, THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SITE AND SO VERY UPPER LEFT.

HALF OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH IS THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING HOUSE.

AND NOW ON THE RIGHT IS THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED OTHER HOUSE.

UM, THESE DEVELOPERS AND YOU CAN SEE A VARIETY OF POSE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE.

THE, UM, LET'S SEE.

SO WE'RE BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT, WHICH IN THE LOWER RIGHT PHOTOGRAPH ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.

SO TO THE LEFT OF THAT GARAGE DOOR AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

SO THE, UH, AGAIN, ZOOMED IN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO WE HAVE, UM, IT'S THE BLOCK NUMBER 13 HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS PRETTY TO SEE THAT, UH, AS A SIDEWALK WALKWAY UP TO THE FRONT SIDE WALL AND WE HAD A DRIVEWAY OUT BACK AND WE'LL SEE THE, UH, FRONT QUICK LATER , UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN AND THE BROADWAY IS ON THE LEFT.

ONE ON THE LEFT HERE FROM A FREE DRIVEWAY.

YOU KIND OF SEE THE WALKWAY RIGHT HERE, THE STEPS AND THE FRONT PORCH WERE ALSO SHOWN.

UM, AND ON THIS ONE, YOU SEE THE TRASH ENCLOSURE, WHICH IS ALSO THE PLATFORM FOR THE HKC DIFFERENT.

THE PROPERTY LINES ARE SHOWN HERE, EQUITIES LONG DASH LINES, NOT STANDARD PROPERTY LINE DELINEATION, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE IT AT LEAST WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINES.

AND THEN THE TINY LITTLE DASH LINE IS THE SETBACK AREA.

IT'S SECOND FLOOR, UH, RELEVANT HERE IS THE FRONT PORCH.

UM, AND OUTBACK, THERE WAS ALSO A SMALL PORCH AS WELL, OVER TOP OF A SMALL GROUP OR AS PART OF THE SMALLER GROUP OVER THE GARAGE.

WE HAVE A TWO ELEVATIONS UM, I ALMOST THAT'S DATED JULY 6TH OR, UM,

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LET ME SEE THAT ACTUALLY CORRECTLY.

I HOPE THAT WAS BETTER.

GO AHEAD.

LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME GREENERY BACK THERE AND WHEN YOU'RE UP HIGH AND BEING OUT THERE, IT REALLY IS.

IT'S KIND OF NICE.

SO WE WANTED THAT BACK OFF AND THEN THE DOUBLE STACKED FROM THE PORCH, UM, HERE, UH, THE DETAILING, I, IT REALLY IS QUITE SIMILAR TO MOST OF THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE THERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THE PLAN ITSELF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY ALL HAVE KIND OF A DIFFERENT, UM, BRICK STEP.

AND THIS ONE WE WANTED TO DO TO SET UP A STRAIGHT BREAKS THAT DOWN AT THE FRONT, SOME OF THEM ARE FLARED.

UM, AS LONG AS THIS ONE WOULD BE PROBABLY THE MOST SIMPLE OF ALL OF THEM OUT THERE, BUT THE DETAILS SAVED THE BRICK FOUNDATION, PARTY, BOARD SIDING, UM, ASPHALT ROOFING, A SMALL BIT OF METAL ROOFING.

UM, UM, THIS ACCENT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SIMILAR TO LIKE THE OTHER HOUSES SMALLER.

UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS OFF HAND.

IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE OVER HERE.

IT IS.

UM, WELL IT'S 3,900 SQUARE FEET.

SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER UH, AND SO, UH, WE, UH, ZONING OFFICER OF THE PLANT ORDINANCE AND BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THEN WE'RE READY.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THIS PROJECT? SEEING ANYBODY, ANY ISSUES ON THE APPLICATIONS, COMPLETENESS SEEING NONE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE PROJECT? NO.

HEARING NONE.

THERE IS NOBODY IN OUR AUDIENCE, SO THERE'S NO PROPONENTS, THERE'S NO OPPONENTS, THERE'S NO RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND STANDING PERSON.

AND THERE'S NO STATE SAY THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT PERSON EITHER.

SO WE'LL GO BACK TO YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS THEN.

SO, UH, THIS IS FOR THE PROJECT AT STATION DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AND THERE IS NO NOTICE FOR PROPERTY NAME AND NO INVENTORY

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OR DESCRIPTION.

SO THIS IS DESCRIBED TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW FELL HOUSE ON PATIENT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE IN THIS APPLICATION.

DEVELOPMENT MATTERS THROUGH THREE DESIGN PRINCIPLES, ONE THROUGH FIVE INFILL CONSTRUCTION, THREE FROM 4.1 THROUGH FOUR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.3 OR FOUR FROM 2.4 WINDOWS DOORS, NO THINGS, 4.3 0.3 ENTRANCES 4.4, BRUCE, 4.5 0.4 DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.2 MASONRY 5.1 0.356, MEDALS 5 3, 4 5 1 4 0.2 5.6 SECONDS.

A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF SCHEDULING ARE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE NARROW STITCH DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL TWO PROPOSAL IS NAMED PROJECT THREE, PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS, MATERIALS REQUIRED GUIDELINES, OR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS REVIEWED HIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED.

AND FIVE.

THIS PROJECT IS NOT INCOME GUIDELINES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW HOUSE ON A VACANT PARCEL.

MAYOR.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY NO COMMISSION MEMBERS? DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE AT THIS TIME? IT IS LOT 13.

SEVEN.

YEP.

NO QUESTIONS.

DO I SEE NO COMMENTS? CAN I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVED THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 8 0 8 EAST FRENCH STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCES, SECTION 15 DASH 41, 1 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEWBURN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 2.11 THROUGH 2.1 0.3, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 THROUGH 3.1 0.5, INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.1 AND 3.4 0.2 AND 3.4 0.3 AND 3.4 0.4 FOUNDATIONS 4.1 0.3 AND 4.1 0.4, WALLS TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.4 WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.3 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.4 ROOFS 4.5 0.4 DECKS 4.6 0.2 MASONRY 5.1 0.3 5.1 0.5 AND 5.1 0.6 MIDDLES 5.3 0.3 AND 5.3 0.4 PAINT 5.4 0.23 AND FOUR AND 5.4 0.6.

FINDINGS OF FACT PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE NARROW STITCHED PATTERN PROPOSALS AND INFIELD PROJECTS PROPOSED ASSIGNED COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

SO ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL REVIEWED THE PROJECT THAT WOULD COME AT IT ACCORDINGLY.

THE PROJECTS, NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

DO I HAVE A SECOND SECOND? AND CAN WE CONFIRM THE STREET ADDRESS? IS IT EIGHT OR NINE? I THINK JIM SAID 8 0 8.

IT SAYS, OH, IT SAYS 8 0 8.

SO I, IT DOES, BUT I'M SORRY.

I JUST THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO SOMEBODY.

HOW FREE, HOW FRIENDLY AMENDMENT 8 0 9 IS THE PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT? WE HAVE A SECOND.

EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

THE MOTION PASSED.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? SO MOOD, WE HAVE A SECOND OVER HERE.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

THE, UH, COA ISSUING OF THE SEAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M SURE WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN.

GUESS WE'LL HEAR NO COMMENTS FOR THEM.

THE NEXT ITEM IS ALL BUSINESS AND WE HAVE NON, ACCORDING TO RON JENYA AGENDA, WE HAVE NO GENERAL PUBLIC LABS.

SO I

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UH, ITEM SEVEN ON A NEW, WE KIND OF UNDER A HPC, A MINERAL ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO OR ADD ANY INFORMATION ABOUT? OKAY.

UH, WHAT ABOUT A REPORT ON THE COA EXTENSIONS ISSUE? THERE IS, THERE IS NO REPORT THERE, RIGHT? OKAY.

UH, UNDER OTHER ITEMS

[8C. Other Items and Updates]

AND UPDATES, UM, I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ALL ON THE, AS WE MOVED ALONG, UH, UNDER, UH, KIND OF OUR PROJECT THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE AWARDS PROJECT AND THAT WE HAD, UH, PUT, PUT A PROPOSAL TOGETHER AND SHOWED IT TO MADDIE, ET CETERA.

I'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING TO, UM, ALDERMAN SAVINA, BINGO, AND DISCUSS THIS WITH HER.

AND SHE HAD, UH, SOME, UH, SUGGESTIONS, UH, FOR OUR IDEA ABOUT GIVING AN AWARD.

UM, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS THAT WE WORK WITH SOME OF THE OTHER HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS, UM, ORGANIZATIONS GOING ON HERE IN TOWN.

LIKE FOR INSTANCE, MY CO-CHAIR IS WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION ON THE SOMETHING, UH, KING SOLOMON WAS SO THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN AND THAT THAT WOULD PRESENT KIND OF A FULLER REPRESENTATION OF ALL OF OUR EFFORTS TO GET THEM INVOLVED AND GET THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY INVOLVED.

THAT WAS ONE SUGGESTION THAT SHE MADE.

THE OTHER SUGGESTION THAT SHE MADE WAS THAT WHILE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT QUARTERLY AWARDS AND THEN A FINAL YEAR AWARD, HER SUGGESTION WAS THAT WE'VE GOT TO EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF HOMES, RUN OUT OF BUILDINGS OVER THE YEARS.

SO TO GIVE ONE FINAL AWARD AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AND TO SET UP A GROUP THAT IS COMPOSED OF SOME OF A COUPLE OF US, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FROM THE STORE PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FOR THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

AND, UH, AS I SAID, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A FULL REPRESENTATION OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

SO I WILL MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO GATHER INFORMATION FOR THEM TO CONTACT THEM ABOUT WHO THEY MIGHT WANT TO BE PART OF THIS EFFORT TO AWARD, UH, THE PERSONS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE DONE SUCH A, SUCH A GREAT JOB.

AND SO I WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND COME BACK WITH AN UPDATED REPORT.

ONCE I HAVE CONTACTED THEM, HOPEFULLY BY OUR NEXT OFFICIAL MEETING THAT WE HAVE.

SO THAT'S MY UPDATE, UH, ON THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS OR UPDATES ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I HAVE TWO ITEMS, TWO ITEMS. ONE IS THAT GONNA HAVE ON YOUR SCREEN THERE? UM, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR THREE AND NINE NEW STREET, WHICH IS A CENTENARY CHURCH, UM, AND, UH, WE'RE PROCESSING THE MINOR, UH, COA FOR THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED AND KIND OF MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE PROJECT.

UM, IT IS IN A RATHER VISIBLE LOCATION.

SO YOU CAN SEE HERE ON YOUR SCREEN THAT, UH, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THIS PLAYGROUND ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE LIGHT EQUIPMENT AND THE GROUND SURFACE MATERIAL.

SO, UH, THE FENCING, UH, PRETTY MUCH STAYS IN PLACE.

UH, AND THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR THE, UH, PLAY PLAYGROUND AND PLAN.

DO YOU HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN? UM, BUT SO FROM THE STREET IS AT THE BOTTOM TOWARDS THE BACK.

UM, SO, AND THAT'S THE SIDE HERE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE HEIGHT OF THE EQUIPMENT.

UM, SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE, UH, WILL MAYBE BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL BE ASKED ABOUT.

THEY DON'T PLAN TO ENLARGE THE ENCLOSED AREA THAT THEY HAVE.

SO IT'S THE SAME AREA IS JUST NEW UPDATED THINGS TO PLAY ON.

AND WE GOT BACK RIGHT BACK HERE BEHIND YES.

AND KIND OF LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE NOW.

UH, THEY'RE GETTING, UH, I GUESS, UH, NEW EQUIPMENT, MAYBE IT'S WEARING THEM, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

UH, AND THE GROUND MATERIAL WILL BE, UM, SOME RUBBER MATS OR WHATEVER THE CURRENT STATE-OF-THE-ART IS FOR PLAYGROUNDS,

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INSTEAD OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST ALL SANDBOX.

SO, UH, THE, UH, UH, THE ONLY OTHER POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT THE FENCE, THEY SHOW HERE AS BEING A STRAIGHT HANDLE BLIND HERE, AND THEN THE PHOTOGRAPH WE'LL SEE, IT HAS THE FACT, RIGHT.

UM, UH, CURRENTLY HASN'T, UH, IS EXACTLY, EXACTLY THERE.

SO, UM, I GUESS IT BE ANGLE FROM THERE, STRAIGHT BACK TO BACK.

UM, SO, AND WE'RE DOING THIS AS A MOM AND IT'S EVERYBODY.

I ASKED HIM TO BRING THAT'S WHAT HELPED GET RID OF THAT? BECAUSE IT'S SO PROMINENT ON THAT STREET.

I MEAN, I REALIZED, I SAID THE TERTIARY TO THE BUILDING, BUT IT'S NOT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND LIKE A HOUSE THAT SITS ON THE CORNER, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE DO SOMETHING, YOU STILL COULD SEE IT FROM THE STREET.

SO I'VE WANTED HIM TO BRING THIS TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION, UH, TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT TO DO IT AS A MONITOR, OR YOU THINK THEY NEED TO COME AND SEE US, THE PLAYGROUND IS ALREADY EXISTING.

THEY'RE JUST PUTTING IN NEW EQUIPMENT, RIGHT.

IMPROVING THE SURFACE OF THE CHILDREN DON'T GET HURT.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT WOULD BE MINOR.

PLUS THESE, THESE PIECES THAT LIKE, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN DONATED OVER TIME.

AND SO I SUSPECT THIS WILL BE A MORE COORDINATED, ORGANIZED LOOK, YOU KNOW, UPGRADE, RIGHT? YEAH.

IT DIDN'T HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO IT JUST ONLY BECAUSE IT'LL BE SO PROMINENT THAT YOU CAN SEE IT.

I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT IT, TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN CASE SOMEBODY SAID, WHY ARE THEY PUTTING THIS? SO WE'RE ALL ALREADY WITH ALL ARRIVED WITH YOU DOING THAT AS A MINOR.

QUESTION A FAMILY ADJOURN, A QUESTION FROM THAT AT TWO 11 JOHNSON AND THEN THE 12, EIGHT HISTORIC KITCHEN OF THAT, THAT CHIMNEY SMELL NOW FUNCTIONAL.

WHEN DOES ELEVATED, WILL IT STILL BE FUNCTIONAL? I DON'T KNOW, WELL, UH, THAT'S NOT REALLY A CRITERIA FOR HBC'S CONCERN.

WELL, THEY HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN TO LIFT IT AND REBUILD IT.

I THINK THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED, THEY TALKED ABOUT FILLING IN INSIDE THE KITCHEN.

WELL, THAT WAS, THAT WAS INITIALLY AND SUBSEQUENTLY DECIDED TO SORT OF ELEVATE THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE SO THAT MORE OF THE EXISTING FLORAL THAT COME UP TO MATCH THE NEW FLOOR, THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO, UM, THE, UH, GYM, THE CHIMNEY OR THE HEARTH IN THAT CASE, IT'S ALSO AT FOUR LEVEL, I BELIEVE.

SO, UM, THAT COULD ALSO COME UP AS WELL, BUT THEY ALSO DESCRIBE THE ENTIRE, UM, CHIMNEY WILL BE LIFTED AND NOT THIS ASSEMBLING BUILT.

WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO DO A NEW FOUNDATION FOR IT.

THEY'LL HAVE TO DO A NEW FOUNDATION.

SO THERE WILL BE NEW BRICKS ON ETHAN.

BUT THE ACTUAL HISTORIC, UM, UH, JIMMY WILL STILL BE THERE.

ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, I REALLY HATE TO SEE THEM LOSE THAT FUNCTIONAL STATUS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HISTORIC.

WHO IS THAT? WHO HAS TO DETERMINE THAT, UH, THE OWNERS, THE OWNERS, AS LONG AS THEY'RE ELEVATING THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE INFIELD INSIDE OF IT, THAT IS NO REASON WHY IT WOULDN'T CONTINUE TO BE FUNCTIONAL.

UNLESS THEY WERE DOING SOME SORT OF TAX CREDIT PROJECT IT'S TOTALLY, OR THERE'S SOME SORT OF PRESERVATION EASEMENTS ON THAT.

IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THEM.

SO DO YOU WANT HIM TO GATHER SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT AND BRING THAT BACK? IF IT SAYS W AS HE SAID, IT MIGHT NOT BE NOT REALLY, NO.

NO, IT'S NOT.

THAT'S THE EXISTING, OKAY.

DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER ? UM, I HAVE A NINE BROAD STREET, UM, AND SEAMLESS GOING THROUGH THIS BEFORE THAT THAT'S JUST THE APPLICATION FROM BEFORE THAT, THAT YOU REMEMBER IT'S REGARDING THIS, UH, UM, HANDICAP RAMP ON THIS HISTORICAL BUILDING.

UH, AND THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE PHOTOGRAPH, JOG YOUR MEMORY, TALKING ABOUT, UH, WE APPROVED, UH,

[01:30:02]

WE APPROVED THIS, UH, UH, RAMP AND THE HAND RAIL, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT.

UH, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE IS REQUESTING AS PART OF THE TAX CREDIT, UH, PROJECT THAT IS INVOLVED WITH THIS.

UH, SO THIS INVOLVES JOHN WOOD, UM, THAT THE VERTICAL SPINDLES BE REMOVED FROM THE DESIGN.

AND JUST THE HAND RAIL POSTS, UM, BE INCLUDED IN THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE HANDRAIL AT THE FRONT STEPS.

THAT'S THE THING HE WAS GOING TO ADDRESS ON THAT.

MATT WAS THE LANDSCAPING.

DID, DID HE COME BACK WITH THAT? NOT YET.

SO THERE YOU SEE, THERE'S NO SPINDLES ON THAT EITHER.

THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS THAT THE RAMP HANDRAIL YOU SIMILAR TO THAT AND THE OVERALL HEIGHT FOR THAT, THAT RAMP WAS THAT, DO I SEE ONE FOOT LEFT, LIKE UNDER TWO AND UNDER TWO FEET? YEAH.

AND SO IT SHOWED WITH NO SPINDLES IN IT.

SO HANDICAPPED RAMP, DOES THAT MEET THE CODE FOR NANNY CARE? UM, SO, UH, THIS IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, I BELIEVE.

AND NOW WE'RE SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT OUT OF KNOWLEDGE HERE.

UH, IT'S A BUILDING INSPECTORS, UM, ISSUE TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS LEGAL OR NOT, BUT, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS OFTEN HAVE, UH, SOME, UH, LEEWAY, FLEXIBILITY, UM, EXCEPTION, A LOT OF THEM, AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OUR DECISION, BUT IF THAT RAMP IS, AS IT APPEARS, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, A FLAT RAMP AND IS NOTHING UNDER THE HANDRAIL.

AND PEOPLE COMING UP IN A WHEELCHAIR COULD VERY EASILY RUN THAT WHEEL RIGHT OFF THE SIDE OF IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE A DECISION OF THE BUILDINGS.

SO PRIMARILY THE QUESTION HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT THESE VERTICAL SPINDLES, UM, IF IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO HANDLE THIS AS A MINOR, TO ELIMINATE THOSE FROM THE DESIGN, IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, TO THESE, UH, CON YOU'RE SAYING IT'S UP TO THE BUILDINGS, BUT INSPECTOR, WHY ARE YOU ASKING US? NO, IT'S UP TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.

IF WE ALLOW THESE SPINDLES TO BE REMOVED, IF THE DESIGN THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, UM, WITHOUT SPINDLES, UH, WOULD THAT BE, UH, LEGAL AS WELL? SO IT'S, IT'S UP TO BOTH US AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND QUESTIONS ABOUT IT BEING ILLEGAL AS A ADA ACCEPTABLE DESIGN IS THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR COULD COME TO US TO DECIDE IF IT'S OKAY FROM THE HISTORICS, UH, HISTORICS, YOU SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT THE SPINDLES RE REMOVE.

THEN WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE? WHAT IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS, WELL, THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE ABOUT TO REMOVE THEM FROM IT, OR IF WE SAY NO, AND THEN IT AFFECTS THEIR TAX CREDIT PROJECT.

CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT'S, WHO IS ASKING FOR THE SPINDLES TO GO AWAY IS PRESERVATION.

YOU KNOW, AND I ONLY JUST KIND OF TO JAY'S POINT, I MEAN, AND I, I SEE WHAT JOHN'S SAYING IS THAT THEY WANT TO ADD MAYBE ANOTHER BOTTOM RAIL.

SO THERE IS SOMETHING, OR ARE WE ABLE TO BUMP UP AGAINST, YOU KNOW, JUST TO OPEN UP? I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, THAT'S GAY AND WHEELCHAIR FUNCTIONALITY.

THAT'S NOT OUR CONCERN.

OUR CONCERN IS THAT AS FAR AS WELL, IF WE ASK THE BUILDING INSPECTOR FIRST, IF THEY'RE GUESTS, IS THAT IT WILL BE FINE.

THEN IT'S EASY FOR US TO DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH REMOVING THE SPINDLES OR NOT.

MAYBE THE MORE RELEVANT, MORE RELEVANT QUESTION MIGHT BE THAT THE SPINDLES ARE REMOVED AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IN A HORIZONTAL BOTTOM RAIL.

ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW.

NOT AT ALL.

IF THEY DECIDE, IS IT OKAY WITH YOU AS A HISTORIC DECISION THAT TO, UH, WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW A HORIZONTAL MEMBER

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BECAUSE THAT CAN HAPPEN THE NEXT WEEK, RIGHT.

WOULD THAT AFFECT THEIR TAX STATUS THERE? WELL, NO.

SO, SO THE, THIS IS KIND OF A FOUR WAY, UM, KIND OF DECISION HERE, THE OWNER, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, US, UM, UM, A BUILDING INSPECTOR LET'S HAVE MATT BOSWELL DO HIS NAME FIRST TO SEE IF HE WOULD ALLOW.

AND WHAT CODE REQUIREMENTS STILL IN FORCE.

AND THEN THAT WOULD HELP US, UH, HAVE CONFIDENCE IN WHAT KIND OF CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, SUPPORTING OR NOT.

I, ARE THEY UNDER SOME SORT OF TIME CONSTRAINT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? UM, WELL EVERYBODY ALWAYS IS.

I THINK IT WAS IMPLIED.

UM, WASN'T SPECIFIED, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY IT'S OKAY TO REMOVE HIM IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT'S OKAY.

AND FROM A SAFETY PINPOINT THAT SECOND RAIL, YOU MENTIONED, THE HORIZONTAL BILL WOULD BE A VERY GOOD THING, BECAUSE IF I CAN JUST SEE A PATIENT SEATED IN THAT CHAIR, GOING UP TO THAT BAR IS GOING TO CATCH HIM AT ABOUT HIS THROAT.

AND THAT SECOND RAIL WOULD BE, THERE ARE OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT WOULD SATISFY THE SAFETY.

IT COULD BE THE WAY THE SUMMIT DOES TOWARD CREATING SLATE.

YOU RAISED LIVE ON THE OUTSIDE EDGE SO THAT IF A WHEEL FROM A WHEELCHAIR, IT WOULDN'T GO OVER THAT EDGE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A COMPLETELY FLAT SURFACE.

SO MY APPREHENSION AND ANTICIPATING WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MIGHT SAY, UM, FOR INSTANCE, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF THE INSTALLATION.

MADAM CHAIRMAN, JUST GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

I INTERRUPTED.

SO IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF THE INSTALLATION, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ANTICIPATE WHAT THAT CHANGE WILL BE LIKE.

AND I LOOK AT THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME, SO IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT FOR THE REST OF US TO ANTICIPATE.

AND, UM, JUST TO BE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE, I JUST FEELING THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE.

I THINK ONCE YOU REMOVE ALL THOSE BALANCED, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND YOU NEED MORE NEW THAT'S BECAUSE OF NOTHING HOLDING UP THE RAIL IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN MAYBE IT'S GOT THE BOTTOM RAIL.

MAYBE IT DOESN'T MAYBE AS RAIL EXTENSIONS, THERE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD AFFECT THE APPEARANCE.

SO YOUR SUGGESTION IS LET, LET MATT BOSWELL RENDER A DECISION AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY NEED A NEW ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND THEN CAN EVERYBODY AGREE ON THAT? YEP.

WE AGREE ON THAT.

AND THEN WE DECIDED AS A SIGN, NOT DESIGN, YOU CAN TELL ME DESIGN REVIEW, AND THIS IS PROBABLY NOT AN ISSUE OF WHETHER IT'S A MINOR OR NOT.

IT PROBABLY IS.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WE, YOU ALL TO SEE WHAT WE'RE BREATHING BEFORE WE APPROVE IT.

SO WE ARE GETTING TO AT LEAST CONSIDER THE LOWER RAIL .

NOW WE'RE JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT MATT BOSWELL IS GOING TO SAY HERE.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO AGREE TO.

GOTCHA.

ARE WE ALL CLEAR ON THAT? YEAH, WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, MAN.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? JUDGE QUESTIONS.

UM,

[9. Commissioners’ Comments]

WE'RE JUST ABOUT WHERE WE STAND WITH REPLACEMENT COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE WE'VE LOST SEVERAL INCIDENTS, POTENTIALLY ME.

WELL, GEORGE CHRISTIAN IS NOT WITH US AND I'M OFFICIALLY IN LIMBO.

AND SO, I MEAN, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO CONTINUE ON WITH MISSING THREE COMMISSIONERS THERE.

UH, GEORGE'S REPLACEMENT HAS BEEN, UH, UM, IT WILL BE JOHN, UH, UH, OLDER, UM, HE'S THE OWNER OF THE AREA.

AND, UH, AND, UH, SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING HIM, I GUESS, NOTIFY, BUT ALSO TRAINING ORIENTED AND SWORN IN AND ALL THAT STUFF.

UH, AND THEN THE OTHER IS STILL, UM, CHRISTIAN CANNOT, EVEN THOUGH SHE COULD ATTEND AS PER OUR POLICY, UH, UH, SHE CANNOT ATTEND THAT SPOT.

SHE HAD TO RESIGN.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE MISSING

[01:40:01]

PEOPLE.

THAT'S ALL.

SO THAT'LL BE ONE, ONE VACANCY OR MINE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN REALLY APPOINTED BACK AND NO ONE'S ASKING YOU TO BE REAPPOINTED.

AND HOW LONG DO I WAIT FOR THE OLDER MEN TO DO THEIR RESPONSIBILITY? RIGHT.

SO LEAVE THEM ALL IN IT FOR THEM.

IT'S NICE THAT IT GOES BACK TO ME NOW.

SO THIS IS THREE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW.

THEY NEVER CHANGED IT TO JUNE 30TH WHILE MY TERM ENDED IN MAY.

SO MY TERM ENDED IN MAY, THEN IT ENDED IN JUNE AND NOW IT'S THE END OF JULY AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING OTHER THAN, I DON'T KNOW.

CAUSE THEY HAVEN'T TALKED TO ME.

I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND JUNE OR SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE FIRST AND FOREMOST.

A IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW.

SO I GUESS YOU KEEP ATTENDED UNTIL THEY TELL US SOMETHING ELSE I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

YOU COULD JUST DO THAT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU OR NOT.

THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

THE ONLY THING I'M THINKING OF IS IF IT REQUIRES ME TO NOT IN ORDER TO GET THEM TO MAKE A DECISION, THEN I WILL NOT ATTEND.

MAYBE THAT WILL SPEED THINGS UP, BUT I FIND THIS VERY ANNOYING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DO, BUT THAT'S NOT IN OUR POWER TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

TALK TO THE OLD LADY AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING OR NOT? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO THEM.

LIKE SAY MY TERM EXPIRED IN MAY.

WELL, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP COMING, THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN LET MATT KNOW.

YEAH, NO, THIS IS NOT ON ME.

IT'S ON MY TERM EXPIRED.

I DON'T HAVE TO RESOLVE IT.

I DON'T HAVE TO SAY I DON'T WANT TO COME.

IT'S ON THEM TO DO SOMETHING, MEANING THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

AND I GUESS THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT IN THEIR TIME AND I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE SHAKE THE TREE.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS WEEK THERE WAS A REPORT FROM THE ALMOND AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS NOMINATING YOU.

WELL, GOOD FOR HIM.

HE'S NEVER TALKED TO ME.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

IT'S VERY INTERESTING.

IT'S OLDER BROTHER.

WHAT'S HIS NAME? HE WAS THE ONE WHO NOMINATED ME THREE YEARS AGO.

NOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS BACK TO HIM TO ASK ME IF I'M WILLING TO SERVE IN TO THREE YEARS MR. GLASS.

AND I WAS RELIEVED.

I SAID, OH, THERE IT IS.

MR. CLASS, YOUR SEAT ROTATES, UM, BETWEEN A MEMBER OF THE BOARD AND THE MAYOR, ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH, THE NEXT APPOINTMENT WOULD FALL TO THE MAYOR.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IN THE PAST, AT LEAST TWO AGENDA PACKETS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MEMOS ABOUT APPOINTMENTS, NOT JUST FOR THIS BOARD FOR SEVERAL, UM, CIVILIAN BOARDS THAT NEED APPOINTMENTS MADE.

AND I'M SURE THEY'RE CONSIDERING THOSE.

IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UM, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME AS YOU INDICATED, IT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO REACH OUT TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

SO THAT MAY BE A GOOD STEP.