Aug 10, 2021 Board of Aldermen

NOW THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO PETITION.

EVERYBODY'S HERE.

[3. Request and Petition of Citizens.]

SHE SAYS, ASSIGN YOUR SIMMONS.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE.

UH, I'M HERE IN REGARDS TO, I CURRENTLY HAVE A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES IN NEWBURN AND, AND THE LAST 16 YEARS FROM CHILDCARE TO BEAUTY SALON, I PUT MY SIGNS OUT FOR ADVERTISEMENT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT NOW I'M CURRENTLY OPENING A PRIVATE ALTERNATIVE SCHOOL FOR KINDERGARTEN THROUGH FIFTH GRADE.

AND I HAVE ORDERED TWO STEPS ASSIGNED CAUSE EVERY WEEK THAT I NOTICED THAT EVERY TIME I PUT A SIGN OUT, SOMEONE GOES TO REMOVE IT.

SO SOME OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES HAVE GIVEN ME PERMISSION TO PUT IT IN THERE.

AND SO ONE OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES TOLD ME THAT A CITY PERSONNEL IS COMING BY TO TAKE THEM OFF.

SO MY CONCERN IS, AND I CALLED TO FIND OUT WHY IS MY TIME BEING TAKEN UP AND NOT OTHER BEEN ASSIGNED? SO I CURRENTLY, UM, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, I'VE TAKEN PICTURES WHERE MY SIGN HAD BEEN REMOVED, BUT THE SCIENCE OF LOCAL BUSINESSES ARE STILL IN PLACE.

AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A NEW AUDIENCE SINCE I'VE OPENED A BUSINESS THAT HAS CHANGED THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF.

SO I WANT TO JUST SEE IF WE CAN RESOLVE.

AND IF THAT IS THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE TREATED THE SAME, INCLUDING WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS, THE SIGNS STATES OUT THERE UNTIL SOMEONE GETS ELECTED.

AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY ARE WE DIFFERENT? UM, COULD YOU TELL US A COUPLE LOCATIONS WHERE YOU'RE HAVING THAT PROBLEM? THE FIRST SECTION WOULD BE ON SOUTH GLEN BURNIE ROAD, WHERE LIBERTY, UH, TAXES IS LOCATED IN A SENTENCE.

WHAT'S THE AD.

WHAT IS THE ADDRESS OF THAT LOCATION? THAT ADDRESS IS THE 1200 BLOCK OF SOUTH BURNING RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER.

AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE INTERSECTION RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO SMITHFIELD, RIGHT THERE HAPPENS, WAS GOING TO THE BYPASS.

AND THEN WE HAD ONE ON SEVENTH STREET, UH, SHOWN HIM MITCHELL LAWN.

AND THEN RIGHT THERE, A NEEDLE PRINT SHOP ALSO ON NEWS BOULEVARD, UH, USED TO BE THE OLD HERTZ BUILDING HAS ALSO BEEN MR. DAVIDSON.

COULD YOU GET A LITTLE CLARITY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY VERSUS PUBLIC DEDICATED ROADS? WELL, I THINK THAT, I THINK THE ISSUE, UM, UM, IS THAT, UM, THE SIGN ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW WHAT THEY CALL OFF PREMISES SIGNS.

YOU CAN HAVE A SIGN ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANYONE'S BUSINESS SIGN ON ANOTHER LOCATION.

SO, UM, UM, I'LL GET WITH STAFF AND WE'LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THAT.

IS THAT ALSO FOR, FOR RENT FOR SALE? NO, MA'AM NO, MA'AM REAL ESTATE SIGNS ARE EXEMPT.

I CAN PUT A SIGN TO SELL YOUR HOME, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT A SIGN ACROSS TOWN, ADVERTISING A BUSINESS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

A BUSINESS SIGN NEEDS TO BE ON THE PROPERTY WHERE THE BUSINESS IS.

AND SO THAT IS EVEN WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE OWNER.

YES MA'AM.

MR. DAVIS SAID, IF THE PERSON PUT THE S HER SINUS ON THE SIGN, ON THEIR OWN PROBLEM, PROBABLY IT'S STILL A PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE SOUND ORDINANCE.

SO EVIDENTLY BUSINESSES IN NEWBURN DON'T KNOW THAT.

CAUSE I WENT BACK TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT.

SOME OF THOSE SIGNS STILL

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THAT'S RIGHT.

IT HAS TO BE ON THE PREMISES WHERE THE BUSINESS IS LOCATED.

DID YOU? I UNDERSTAND THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO THAT GOES BACK TO LIBERTY AND THE SHOW AND LIBERTY TAX IS NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

I'M USING THAT.

SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE PICTURES THAT I TOOK, THEY ARE NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

DO WE KNOW IF PUBLIC WORKS ARE ONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS REMOVED? THEY SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE HAPPY.

WELL, UM, I, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I KNOW STAFF'S HABIT IS TO PICK UP TEMPORARY SIGNS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

WHEN THEY SEE THEM OR GET A COMPLAINT ABOUT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE JEFF CONTACT HER OR GEORGE CONTACT HER AS WELL.

THEY PICK YOUR SIGNS IF THEY HAVE THEM, I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T PULL THE AWAY.

THAT'S RIGHT.

I ACTUALLY SAW CITY TRUCK THIS MORNING.

UM, THE PIGGLY WIGGLY TATUM DRIVE, THERE WAS A TRUCK THERE THAT WAS PICKING UP THREE OR FOUR SIGNS OF THE INTERSECTION.

SO I'M SURE WE PROBABLY TAKE THOSE SOMEWHERE.

I KNOW DURING THE CAMPAIGN SEASON, THEY GET TAKEN OVER TO PUBLIC WORKS.

IF THEY'RE POSTED GEORGE, YOU GOT A, DO YOU KNOW VEGAS? PRIVATE WORKS.

SOMEBODY JUST WORK WITH HER AND HELP HER TO FIND THE BEST PLACE WHERE YOU CAN PUT THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY.

SO, SO WOULD THAT BE JEFF JEFFREY JERRY'S OFFICE TO LET MS. SIMMONS KNOW THE BEST PLACE TO PUT THE SIGNS YOUR OFFICE? THAT'S RIGHT.

WE'LL HELP YOU WITH THAT.

AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA MAYOR.

[Consent Agenda]

I WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION COSA.

I WAS JUST AMAZED THAT ALL OF THESE ARE IN THE FIRST REWARD AND THEY'RE ALL EVENTS HAPPENING AND GATHERINGS OF COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK IT'S AWESOME.

I ESPECIALLY WANT TO NOTE THAT JT BARBARA CLASS OF 1950 IS GOING TO BE HAVING A DEDICATION CEREMONY TO UNVEIL A HISTORICAL MARKER.

SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION.

SEE, NONE OF US HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTED WITH OUR WINDOW.

THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM

[10. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving the North Carolina Statewide Emergency Management Mutual Aid and Assistance Agreement — Revision 2021.]

NUMBER 10.

THE NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE NORTH CAROLINA STATEWIDE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND MUTUAL AID AND ASSISTANCE AGREEMENT, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME TO STATEWIDE MUTUAL AGREEMENT AS AMENDED, THE MOST RECENT, UH, EXECUTION WAS IN FEBRUARY OF 2018.

THIS NEW REVISION DATED A 2021 WILL UPDATE THE CITY'S DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH INCLUDE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER, THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF.

THE AGREEMENT MEETS FEMA'S REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS GETTING OR RECEIVING HELP IN THE EVENT OF A DECLARED DISASTER.

IT'S ALSO HELPED SPEED UP THE PROCESS WHEN APPLIED TO FEMA REIMBURSEMENT, NO QUESTIONS, CHIEF GALLAGHER AND CHIEF BOY.

Y'ALL BOTH READ THIS AND AGREE WITH IT.

THUMBS UP.

OKAY, GOOD.

THEN MR. MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION IMPROVEMENT IN NORTH CAROLINA, STATEWIDE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, MUTUAL AID AND ASSISTANCE AGREEMENT AGREEMENT REVISION 2021.

AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS IS A WONDERFUL AGREEMENT TO HAVE IN PLACE, ESPECIALLY DURING A HURRICANE TIME.

SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE OF US HAVE A ROM-COM STARTING WITH ALMOND MILK.

ALDERMAN BINGO.

ALDERWOMAN WOMAN HARRIS.

ALDERMAN ASKED HER YES.

MAY YOUR OUTLAW YES.

ALDERMAN KINSEY.

ALDERMAN BEST ALDERMAN ITEM.

THROUGH THE GUIDANCE OF DEALING WITH FEMA AND REIMBURSEMENT.

[11 . Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving an Amendment to a Letter of Engagement for Professional Services — FEMA with Disaster Recovery Services, LLC.]

NUMBER 11.

NEXT ITEM IS, CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO A LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WITH DISASTER RECOVERY SERVICES.

FOLLOWING HURRICANE FLORENCE, THE CITY ENTERED INTO TWO AGREEMENTS WITH DRS TO PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES RELATED TO FEMA AND INSURANCE CLAIMS ON MARCH 10TH, 2020, THE BOARD APPROVED A LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT AMENDING THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE FAMOUS SERVICES TO INCLUDE DEBRIS, REMOVAL AND REPAIRS TO DRAINAGE, DITCHES, AND WATERWAYS.

BASED ON THAT EXPANDED SCOPE OF WORK DRS ESTIMATED THE UPDATED PROJECT COSTS WITH FEMA, UH, WOULD NOT EXCEED $1.95 MILLION.

THAT AMOUNT HAS NOW BEEN EXHAUSTED AND WORK REMAINS TO BE COMPLETED.

THEREFORE, ANOTHER LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT IS PROPOSED IN THE AMOUNT OF $255,000.

THIS WILL ALLOW DRS TO ASSIST THE CITY WITH BEGINNING OF THE CLOSEOUT PROCESS ON SEVERAL PROJECTS, CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE BP STATION APPEAL AND WORK ON ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE CLAIMS. ALSO DRS WILL BE ABLE TO ASSIST OUR NEW FINANCE STAFF, UH, AND HELP THEM

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WE'VE ALSO GOT COREY SPILLING RDRS REPRESENTATIVE.

HE IS JOINING US VIA ZOOM IN CASE ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR COREY, BUT, UM, I NOTICED THE FIRST AND THIS FIRST, UH, ESTIMATE OF 377,500, IT INCLUDED, UM, COSTS FOR THE, UH, TRENT VILLAGE AND THE CITY HALL AND STANDING WHITE.

SO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT IS THAT, SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THOSE PROJECTS.

I MEAN, FOURS.

SO STANLEY WISE IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DRS.

THEY WILL, THEY WILL ASSIST US AS NEEDED TO WHERE WE'RE ALMOST AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS.

WE'RE CURRENTLY ON THE BACK END OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, UH, WAITING FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD TO EXPIRE THEN FOR FEMA TO MAKE THEIR DETERMINATIONS, THE OTHER PROJECTS, THE FEMA, UH, THE IRS IS STILL INVOLVED WITH THOSE AS WELL.

UM, WE'D ASKED THEM WHEN WE STARTED TALKING, IF THEY CAN SHARPEN THEIR PENCIL A LITTLE BIT MORE AND GIVE US A BETTER, A BETTER ESTIMATE.

AND THEY DID.

SO THEY PRODUCE SOME OF THE HOURS OF WORK THAT THEY ANTICIPATE.

I JUST, I JUST WANT THAT TO, IT WAS IN THE FIRST, HE WAS HERE IN THE FIRST, UH, AGREEMENT AND THEN IT WAS TAKEN OUT AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH IT.

SO THAT'S ALL, UM, JOINED UNDER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. IS THAT WHAT THAT'S CORRECT? THEY'RE HERE TO HELP US IN ANY, ANY AREAS THAT WE NEED HELP WITH.

AND ALSO WOULD REMIND THE BOARD THAT THESE SERVICES ARE REIMBURSABLE BY FEMA.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD, WAIT, WAIT, HOLD ON A SECOND.

I FORGOT ONE OTHER THING OF, OF AN HER.

UM, SO WHAT ABOUT THE, THE AID THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT? IS THAT STILL INCLUDED? ANY, ANYTHING THAT THEY DO THAT IS HURRICANE RELATED MANAGEMENT IS, IS CALLED CAT Z WHERE, AND WE CAN'T APPLY TO HAVE THEIR REIMBURSED.

IT'S 5% OF THE OVERALL COST UP TO 5% OF THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM FEMA.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 50 AND CORY IS $55 MILLION.

RIGHT.

UM, THE, THE TOTAL, UH, FUNDING SECURED FOR THE FLORENCE SITE TO DATE IS, UH, 60.28, 6 MILLION.

UH, YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE PAY, UM, ISSUE AT, UM, A LITTLE BIT OVER 1 MILLION.

SO WE CAN APPLY FOR UP TO 5% OF THE $60 MILLION BACK FOR A MANAGEMENT COSTS.

COREY, WHILE, WHILE WE HAVE YOU, WOULD YOU, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO UPDATE THE BOARD ON OR TO PUBLIC ACTUALLY IN, UH, AN ANSWER, I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF RECAP.

UM, UM, TODAY WE'VE SECURED, UH, 60.286 MILLION IN, UH, UH, IN FUNDING FOR FLORENCE DAMAGES THAT, UH, UH, TOTALS, UH, 58.13, 2 MILLION IN FEMA AND STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA FUNDING.

AND, UH, 2.15, 3 MILLION, UH, FROM, UH, YOUR INSURANCE, UM, UH, COMPANY, UH, AND THAT INSURANCE CLAIM WAS PAID, UH, WITHOUT, UH, ANY, UH, DEDUCTIBLE OR PORTION FOR THE, UH, FOR THE CITY TO KICK IN, UH, APPLIED TO THE LOSS, UM, WHICH, UH, WHICH WAS A GOOD BENEFIT.

UM, WE'VE ALSO, UH, SECURED, UM, UH, AND IT'S INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL NUMBERS $192,000 FOR A MITIGATION FUNDING FOR THE CITY HALL OR, UH, FOR TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

AND, UH, IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION AS TO WHY THE NUMBERS HAVE FLUCTUATED, UM, UH, INITIALLY, UH, WE PUT TOGETHER A TENTATIVE BUDGET TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WILL CARRY US THROUGH FOR THE NEXT, UH, 14 MONTHS, UM, AFTER, UH, AFTER MEETING WITH, UH, THE FOSTER, UM, UM, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD, UH, INCLUDED IN OUR ESTIMATE SUCH AS, UH, THE CLOSEOUT WORK, UH, MUCH OF THAT OVER THE LAST, UH, TWO MONTHS, UH, SAM HAS, UH, HAS WORKED TO, UH, TRANSITION, UH, THOSE, UH, DUTIES, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE CITY, UH, IN PARTICULARLY ARRIVED IN ROOMS, HAS BEEN HEADING THAT OFF INTO DOING A VERY GOOD JOB AT IT.

SO, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, REDUCE THE, UM, WE BELIEVE WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ALLOCATE TO THAT.

SO IT'S THE, THE CITY IS TAKING OVER MUCH MORE OF THOSE DUTIES.

UM, AND, UH, AND BASICALLY, UH, THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT WE HAVE LEFT, UH, TO DEAL WITH IT THAT WE THINK THAT WE CAN ASSIST YOU WITH IS THE, UH, UH, THE BP BUILDING APPEAL, UH, WHICH IS, UH, THE FIRST APPEAL HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO FEMA.

UH, AND THAT SAID, UM, 1.9 MILLION, AND THEN YOU HAVE,

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AND THAT IS, UH, PENDING A, UH, UH, ANY ANSWER FOR FEMA ON ANOTHER PROJECT.

THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED, BUT THAT APPEAL HAS, UH, HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT WE ANTICIPATE, UH, THAT, UH, THAT IT WILL BE SOON.

SO YOU HAVE, UH, TWO ITEMS THAT ARE OUTSTANDING, THAT, THAT TOTAL ALMOST, UH, $3 MILLION, UM, IN FUNDING.

SO, UM, THERE IS, UH, THERE IS SOME WORK, UH, LEFT TO BE DONE, UH, WITH, WITH THOSE APPEALS.

UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPING THAT THE FIRST APPEAL, UH, WILL BE, UH, WILL BE GRANTED BY THE REGION, UH, BEING OPTIMISTIC.

AND, UM, SO, UH, THE, THE QUESTION THAT REMAINS IS, UH, WHAT IS LEFT TO DO, UM, THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN ASSIST THE CITY WITH.

UM, WE, UH, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THE VILLAGE PROJECT MAYBE MATCHING PROBLEMS, UH, UH, OR SOME QUESTIONS FROM FEMA THAT WE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE SOME INVOLVEMENT IN, BUT, UH, IT'S KIND OF A, UM, IT'S KIND OF A MOVING TARGET.

SO, UH, WE PUT OUR BEST, UH, THOUGHT TOGETHER AS TO, AS TO WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO CARRY US THROUGH.

AND, UH, AND THAT'S THE REVISED FIGURE THAT, UH, WE SUBMITTED TO FOSTER THIS WEEK.

ALL THE WOMEN HERE.

SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE RESPONDENT.

YES, MA'AM MRS. FOREMAN.

IT'S SO IT'S SO NICE TO SEE YOU.

I HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL.

UM, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE FOLLOWING ME.

AND, UM, CAN YOU TELL US HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH FEMA, YOUR EXPERTISE? I, UM, I WORKED AS A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE CONTRACTOR, UM, TO FEMA FOR, UM, MANY YEARS IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES.

IT'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO 25 OR 30 YEARS, UH, SOME WITH THE INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

UM, I WASN'T ANTICIPATING THE QUESTION, SO I SPENT A LONG TIME.

SO, UH, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, I APPRECIATE IT.

MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT LAST YEAR, WHAT WE HAD TO SUBMIT THE CHANGE OF SCOPE FOR STANLEY WAY.

UM, DO YOU REMEMBER THE BOARD MEMBERS ASKING YOU IF WE WERE OBLIGATED TO DO THAT? IS THAT STILL THE SAME INFORMATION THAT EMMA PROVIDE TODAY THAT WE WERE OBLIGATED TO DO A CHANGE OF SCOPE FOR THE STANDING WHITE, UM, FOR THE GAS BOULEVARD, UM, LOCATION THAT WE WERE OBLIGATED TO TELL FEMA THAT THERE WAS A NEW LOCATION.

I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE CHARACTERIZED IT CORRECTLY.

I ADVISED THE BOARD AT A MEETING THAT, UM, THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL, UH, FEASIBLE ULTIMATE LOCATION AVAILABLE AND THAT, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE LAWS AND, UH, AND APPLICABLE REGULATIONS THAT YOU SHOULD, UH, YOU SHOULD NOTIFY FEMA, UH, ALL OF THAT, UH, OF THAT.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT, UH, THE WORK HAS BEEN, UH, COMPLETED ON.

AND I WANT TO APPRECIATE YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, UM, AND GETTING THIS, THIS THEME OF FUNDING AND WORKING, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE OBTAIN THIS MONEY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, THANK YOU, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, UM, ALL THE WOMEN HERE AND I'M DONE SPEAKING, UH, COREY, I HAVE A QUESTION SINCE YOU'VE UPDATED ON SO MUCH STUFF, UM, FOR US, WOULD YOU JUST KIND OF GIVE THE VIEWERS, UH, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, A OVER VIEW OF THE DITCH PROJECT, NOT THE PROGRESS, CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS, BUT WHAT DID WE ACTUALLY GET APPROVED BY FEMA AND SO ON AND SO FORTH? WE, UM, UH, WE OBTAINED FROM FEMA, UM, UH, $33 MILLION FOR, UM, CATEGORY A DEBRIS REMOVAL, UH, FROM THE DITCHES.

AND, UH, WE, UH, UH, FEMA, UH, ESTIMATED, UH, THAT THE, UH, THE PERMANENT WORK DAMAGES, WHICH WERE A CAT D WORK, UM, AT, UH, 1.75, FIVE, UH, A MILLION DOLLARS.

AND, UM, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE CAT GAIN WORK IS, UH, IS UNDERESTIMATED, UH, QUITE A BIT.

UM, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THE WAY THAT FEMA CAME UP WITH THEIR, THEIR COSTING AND, UH, AND TO DATE, UM, THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS FOR THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, PUT OUT TO WORK, UH, TO, TO DO OR THROUGH YOUR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UH, THE COSTS HAVE COME IN, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN, THAN WHAT FEMA ESTIMATED, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FOLLOWING THE FEMA PROTOCOLS FOR, UH, FOR PROCUREMENT AND, UH, THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A METHOD TO, UH, TO RECOUP THE COST OVERRUNS ON THOSE.

SO THEY, THEY WERE ESTIMATED BY TEAM AND AN ESTIMATE IS, UH, IS THE BEST GUESS AT THE TIME.

UH, SO, UM, THE, THE CATEGORY A WORK, UM, HAS BEEN, UH, HAS BEEN DONE IN, UH, IN, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE BASINS, UH, TO DATE,

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UM, AND, UH, THAT THE REMAINDER IS, IS STILL LEFT TO DO, UM, THE, UH, THE TRENT VILLAGE PROJECT, WHICH WAS A MAJOR PROJECT, UM, WHICH, UH, WHICH BASICALLY TURNED INTO AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE, UH, THE, UH, THE BURMA CAN CONTINUE TO, UH DECLASSE UM, AND, AND STARTED TO, UH, TO GET TO THE POINT TO A DANGEROUS SOME OF THE HOUSES THERE.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED WITH, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE A FEW, UH, PUNCH LIST ITEMS. AND I DEFER TO GEORGIA FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, OF THE STATUS OF THINGS AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU, COREY, ANYBODY ELSE? UH, FOUR, COULD YOU QUICKLY, UM, GIVE US SOME INFORMATION TO, IF THE BPS GO TO ARBITRATION, HOW THAT, WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD ENTAIL? UM, THE BP BUILDING, UM, WE SUBMITTED, UH, WHAT I WOULD CHARACTERIZE AS A, UH, AS A VERY, UH, STRONG APPEAL.

UM, THE, UH, THE POSITION THAT, UH, THAT FEMA TOOK WAS ONE THAT I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF FEMA TAKING BEFORE, UH, IN, IN THE HISTORY OF FEMA.

UM, THEY, UH, THEY BASICALLY SAID THAT, UH, THAT THE COST OF COMPLYING WITH THEIR OWN, UH, FEMA MFIP PROGRAM, UH, WASN'T UNREASONABLE.

AND, UH, AND THEY WEREN'T GOING TO FUND, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THEIR OWN PROGRAM.

UM, AND, UH, THAT, UM, SAID THAT THAT WOULD BE BIZARRE.

IT WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT, UM, TOO.

SO WE, UH, WE SUBMITTED A FIRST APPEAL BASED UPON WHAT WE FELT THE ISSUES WERE OR WERE HOPEFUL TO READ.

YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THE MERITS OF IT, UH, IF, UH, IF THEY DENY IT, UM, THEN, UH, THE SECOND APPEAL, UM, OPTIONS ARE TO, UH, TO TAKE IT TO, UH, THE FEMA HEADQUARTERS OR THE, UH, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO, UH, TO TAKE IT TO, UH, THE BOARD OF ARBITRATION, WHICH IS, UH, THREE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGES.

UM, AND, UH, THAT, THAT PROCESS, UH, IS, UM, IS, IS RELAXED.

IT IS A COURTROOM SETTING, UM, BUT, UH, IS A MORE RELAXED ATMOSPHERE, UH, WHERE YOU, UH, WE'VE TRIED TO WORK OUT AND HAMMER OUT THE ISSUES.

AND IF YOU CAN'T THEN, UM, THE, UH, THE JUDGES, UH, MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION, UH, BASED UPON THE, UH, THE APPLICABLE LAW AND FACTS.

THE ONLY REASON I ASK IF WE TOOK THAT AVENUE, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE FEMA HAS BEEN PRETTY, UH, REASONABLE IN COMPENSATION, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT WANT TO BURN BRIDGE, BUT FUTURE, UM, EMPIRICAL DATA, A PASSENGER VEHICLE DATA AS TO WHERE THE CITY MIGHT BE GOING WITH FUTURE HURT, UM, EVENTS.

SO, UM, I GUESS IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T IN ANY WAY CREATE ANY, UM, ANALYSTS OR HARD FEELINGS, BUT AGAIN, UM, ANYTIME YOU GO TO ARBITRATION, UM, IT'S A BIT OF A USURP OF, UH, THE POWERS TO BE IN FEMA.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IS WE WOULD TELL YOU IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, AFTER THE, UH, THE FIRST APPEAL, UM, IS, UH, IS DETERMINED, UH, BY, UH, BY THE REGION, UM, WE WILL, UH, DISCUSS IT, UH, WITH THE CITY AND THE CITY WILL MAKE THE WHOLE DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT THEY WISH TO DO, UM, UH, FOR A SECOND APPEAL OR, OR, OR DROP THEM OUT, OR IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.

UM, BUT WELL, I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE NOT GETTING A LOT MORE THAN I EVER THOUGHT.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT'S ABOVE AND THE RULES OF FEMA THEMSELVES.

SO ONLY THING WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ASKING FOR THEM TO, TO, UH, BE FAIR WITH US ON THE BUILDING.

UH, WE WERE FOLLOWING THEIR GUIDELINES, UH, AND YOU CAN COUNT ON THIS, GOING TO ARBITRATION.

I CAN, I CAN ALMOST FACT, I'VE GOT A STANDING BET WITH COREY OF PENSACOLA THAT THEY WON'T EVEN REPLY TO.

I JUST DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO EVEN REPLY TO OUR APPEAL.

AND AFTER THE END OF 90 DAYS, IF THEY DON'T APPLY OR REPLY, THEN IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO ARBITRATION.

AND I FEEL THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

THEY'VE GOT THIS, THIS PROJECT WORKSHEET SO MESSED UP.

THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS NOW.

SO IF THE APPEAL IS A GREAT APPEAL, UM, IF, IF THEY, ANYBODY READS IT, THEY'RE GONNA, WE'LL, WE'LL WIN THE APPEAL IF THEY DON'T READ IT.

AND THE 90 DAYS EXPIRES, I THINK WE SHOULD GO RIGHT STRAIGHT TO ARBITRATION.

DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE A STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANT DIRECTION BARCODE NOW ANYMORE? WE SHOULD WAIT AND SEE BY SOME CHANCE IF THEY, IF THEY RULE IN

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OUR FAVOR ON IT, I MEAN, I'M DOUBTING IT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD CERTAINLY WAIT, BUT I'M ALSO GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE GO TO ARBITRATION IF THEY DON'T RULE IN OUR FAVOR.

HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT.

CAUSE YOU AS FIRE CHIEF, I BELIEVE ON SEVERAL HURRICANES, YOU WERE OUR FAVORITE CONSULTANT OF SORTS.

SO I'LL PROBABLY SAY MUCH OF IT TOO MUCH OF IT HAS CHANGED NOW.

SO, UH, THIS NEW DELIVERY PACKAGE ON IT, IT'S JUST SO DIFFERENT AND ALL WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CITIES HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THIS NEW DELIVERY PACKAGE.

UH, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STATE ABOUT, UH, THE PROBLEMS. AND, UM, I THINK THE, ACTUALLY THE LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES IS, IS INVOLVED IN THE DELIVERY PACKAGE.

AND NOW, SO, UH, IT'S CHANGED SO MUCH.

AND I JUST PRAISE THE LORD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOMEONE ON LIKE KOREAN DRS TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE US THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF.

HAS THE MOTION BEEN MADE MAYOR AND BOARD MEMBER? IF THERE'S NO OTHER CONVERSATIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO A LETTER OF ENGAGEMENT OF, FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, FEMA WITH DISASTER RECOVERY SERVICES, LLC, SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION SAY NONE OF THE CYBER ROM-COM STARTING WITHOUT ONE THING.

ALDERMAN BINGO.

A WOMAN HERE IS YES.

OTTOMAN ASKED HER MAY OUTLAW ALDERMAN KINSEY ALDERMAN.

MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER 12.

[12. Consider Adopting a Resolution Authorizing the Interim City Manager to Execute Contract Documents for the Hurricane Florence Category A Drainage Ditch Project in the Quarry 2 Drainage Basin.]

NEXT ITEM MAYOR IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS FOR THE HURRICANE FLORENCE CATEGORY, A DRAINAGE DITCH PROJECT AND THE QUARRY TO DRAINAGE BASIN OVER THE PAST.

AND WITH FEMA ON A PROJECT TO REMOVE SEDIMENT AND DEBRIS FROM DRAINAGE DITCHES THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO WORK, TO ADDRESS THE QUARRY, TO DRAIN HIS PATIENT CAT, A PROJECT WAS PUT OUT TO BID AND TRADER CONSTRUCTION COMPANY SUBMITTED THE LOWEST BID AT $374,800.

IT WAS REQUESTED THAT THE INTERIM MANAGER BE AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH CRATER CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT.

ALONG WITH ANY CHANGE ORDERS WITHIN THE BUDGET OF THE MOUNTAIN.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS FOR HURRICANE FLORENCE CAT, A DRAINAGE DITCH PROJECT IN THE CORY TO DRAINAGE BASED DISCUSSION.

SAME ON SEVERAL CARS STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ODOM.

I DON'T REMEMBER AN ITEM.

OUTLAW ALDERMAN ASKED HER OUT A WOMAN HARRIS.

ONE MORE THING.

UM, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE, THE QUARRY TO, UM, DRAINAGE BASIN ABOUT WHERE IT IS IN TOWN? OR SHOULD WE GET GEORGE UP HERE TO KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA? LET'S GET GEORGIA, GEORGIA, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHEN THEY START SEEING PEOPLE IN THEIR BACKYARDS DIGGING IN DITCHES OR IN THE SIDE STREETS OR WHATEVER ABOUT WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS DOES THAT THE COURTS YOU BASED IN IS GENERALLY MADE UP OF THE DERBY PARK AREA AND THE DRAINAGE OUTFALL THAT IS BETWEEN THERE AND BOSCH.

SO BETWEEN BSA WAS A BIG, BIG OUTFALL DITCH, THE WATER GOING THAT WAY.

AND HE GOES TO THE TRAIN TRACKS, WHICH THEN IT ATTACHES TO DERBY PARK.

SO IT WILL BE THAT AREA THAT, THAT THIS WORK WILL BE STARTING.

NOW.

I WOULD ESTIMATE ONCE WE GET THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS OR THREE SIGNATURES AND HAVE IT BACK TO THE BONDING, PROBABLY IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LEAD TRIGGER EVIDENCE TO PROCEED GRAIN STORE.

80, 90% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

THANK YOU, GEORGE.

KIND OF, I JUST WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THIS IN GENERALITIES, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DOING THESE, THESE EMERGENCY KIND OF CALMING OF, UH, DRAINAGE RESERVOIRS, UM, AND NOTABLY IN ALL URBAN KANSAS WARD AND ALL THE BEST WARD.

UM, IF YOU COULD JUST MAKE COMMENTS, KIND OF GIVE BOARDS SOME NOT DIRECTION, BUT SOME IDEAS OF SOME THINGS THE CITY MIGHT IN A FUTURE LOOK THAT OTHER CITIES ARE IMPLEMENTING TO WE'RE PARTICULARLY LAND IS KIND OF, DOES NOT SERVE THE UTILITY AT THE TIME THAT THEY COULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM OUR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK.

AND THIS IS, WE SEE THIS A LOT OF PARTS OF THE CITY THAT WERE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO ANY STORM WATER RULES.

SO THERE IS NO STORM WATER RETENTION OR DETENTION IN THOSE AREAS.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'VE GOT

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SO WHEN WE HAVE A HEAVY GRAIN, ALL OF THAT WATER IS RUNNING OFF THE SITE NAILED MEAL AND WHAT, WHAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, NOT THINKING AN ADVANTAGE FOR US TO LOOK AT, TO LOOK AT NEW WAYS OF RETENTION BEFORE WE GET IT TO THE OUTFALL, THAT WAY THE, THE COMMUNITIES OR THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE DOWNHILL AND OF THAT DRAINAGE BASINS ARE GETTING THIS HUGE INFLUX OF WATER.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE IT, THE NEW AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AS MUCH BECAUSE THEY HAVE STATE PERMITS AND CITY PERMITS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO DEAL WITH.

QUITE A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY WAS DEVELOPED PRIOR TO ANY OF THESE RULES.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND RETROFIT.

WE'VE KIND OF WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, IDENTIFIED SOME LESS THAN DESIRABLE NON-BILLABLE PROPERTIES THAT, THAT MAY BE USEFUL TO DO THIS ALL.

OR I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR FEATURE TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT RECEIVE, UM, HIGH INTENSITY RAINS THAT DO FLOOD THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

IF WE COULD CAPTURE SOME OF THAT RAINFALL UP HILL, I THINK, I THINK IT'D BE A HUGE ADVANTAGE FOR OUR THING.

YES, SIR.

GEORGE, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A LOT OF EXTRA WORK FOR ANYBODY, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY THAT STAFF COULD MAYBE LOOK CITYWIDE MAP THAT SHOWS ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE DITCHES, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY THIS WEEK AND SOMEHOW COLOR CODE THAT SO WE WILL KNOW MAYBE GREEN WOULD BE, WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED BY FEMA AND MAYBE YELLOW IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED AND I'M JUST THROWING SOME IDEAS OUT THERE THAT WAY WE'LL KNOW BECAUSE WE GET, OR AT LEAST I GET CALLS ALL THE TIME FROM PEOPLE, HEY, WHEN ARE YOU COMING TO DO MY NEIGHBORHOOD? AND I KNOW WE PROBABLY HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION, BUT WE BROUGHT THIS UP NUMEROUS TIMES, BUT IT'S PIECEMEAL BASED OFF THE PROCESS AND FOR US TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND PULL ALL THAT UP, IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE HAD A MAP THAT WAY WE COULD ACTUALLY SHARE IT WITH COLEEN COULD SHERIFFS THAT PEOPLE WOULD.

I CERTAINLY DO THAT.

WE KNEW ABOUT BASE AND WHERE WE COMPLETED THE WORK AND WHAT WILL WORK.

OKAY, GREAT.

I'M GEORGE WORRIES.

I KIND OF MENTIONED THAT RIGHT NOW DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE'RE GETTING ALL THE FEMA HELP FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, IT KIND OF GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CITY TO CATCH OUR BREATH THAT, UH, FORTUNATELY FOR US, SOME OF, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE SOME NORMAL MAINTENANCE WITH THE CITY, IF WE HAVE NOT BEEN LUCKY TO RECEIVE THESE FINDINGS, THAT I'LL SIMPLY, WE LOOKED AT SOME CAPITAL EXPENDITURES TO ACQUIRE A CERTAIN PROPERTIES THAT WOULD, COULD BE CONVERTED TO PRIMARY AND SECONDARY RETENTION AREAS TO, UM, AGAIN, KIND OF LIKE IN JANUARY HIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WE, HE HAS A TREMENDOUS CULVER PROBLEM, ELISE BOULEVARD.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE A VORTEX OF ORDER, YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T GO ANYWHERE.

IF WE HAD THAT RESERVOIR SORTS, IT MAY BE COULD HELP SOME CERTAINLY NOT IN A HURRICANE OR SOMETHING, BUT SOME OF THESE OTHER HIGHER RAIN EVENTS WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IN SOME OF THESE THINGS, WORKING WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE RESILIENCY AND RECOVERY PLAN WITH MUFFIN NICHOLS, AND THEY ARE FORMULATING THESE GENERAL IDEAS INTO PLAN AND IDENTIFYING PLACES THAT THIS WOULD BE A POSITIVE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE CITY.

AND I THINK WHAT THAT PLAN IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO DO IS GO UP OR ADDITIONAL GRANT FOR ME TO POSSIBLY ACQUIRE THESE AREAS OR, OR EVEN CONSTRUCT THEM.

SO I THINK, I THINK LONG-TERM, WE'RE HEADED THAT DIRECTION.

I THINK THAT BE A HUGE BENEFIT, UM, DURING HEAVY RAIN EVENTS AND POSSIBLY TO SHAVE SOME OF THE HEAVY RAIN OFF OF A HURRICANE, IF IT'S SPECIAL DIRECTION, WELL, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE.

AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT DIS IF YOU COULD MAYBE LOOK AT THE TAX BUYERS, NOT THAT THAT'S VALUING ITSELF AND, AND POTENTIAL, UM, COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE BENEFITS OF, OF SEOUL THAT COULD BE USEFUL IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY OR REMEDIATION WHEREVER, IF YOU COULD MAYBE JUST RUN SOME NUMBERS.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF GEOGRAPHIC AREAS WE MENTIONED WOULD BOARD WON'T SEE THAT NOT OVERSPENDING MONEY.

SURE.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WHERE IS IT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE WATER IS NOT MOVING IN CIRCUIT WHIRLPOOL, RIGHT.

AND THEN COLONY DRIVE IS HOLLY DRIVE IS A COVERT.

THAT'S WHERE THE DUMPSTER CAME INTO HERE, BUT IT'S STILL DOING IT PRETTY MUCH.

SO BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS AT THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THE PIPE IS THIS HIGH.

STRUGGLE I WAS GOING TO ASK IF IT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD MITIGATE THROUGH FEMA.

SO TO WATER HAS TO REALLY COME UP TO GO THROUGH THE PI.

AND THAT'S BEEN A BIG ISSUE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND DITCH ON THE, UM, PART OF THE CORY PROJECT OR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE, HAS SOME CAFE WORK DONE THAT COLBERT THE WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

THE COVERT ACTUALLY IS IN NEWS BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A

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UM, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S THIS COREY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I HEARD YOUR BODY.

AND, UH, THE CATEGORY EIGHT ENTRY MOMENT WHEN IT'S IS CLASSIFIED AS EMERGENCY WORK AND IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR MITIGATION.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TO SEE WHAT IT REALLY IS BECAUSE BASICALLY YOU'RE LISTENING TO, UH, WHAT WE'RE GIVING AND, UH, AND THAT'S, THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

UM, I GUESS WHAT I'LL ASK IS, IS GEORGE DUI, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THE, OF THE CAT D INSPECTIONS THAT DRAPER DID, UM, FOR, FOR PERMANENT WORK AS WELL THAT THE CO-WORK WAS ACTUALLY INSPECTED, BUT IT WAS NOT INCLUDED WITH OUR KATHY IS NOT ONE OF OUR STRUCTURES.

IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A CITY MAINTAIN STRUCTURE.

UM, SO THAT'S THE STATE MAINTAIN, CORRECT.

WELL, SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF IT'S OWNED BY THE STATE, WE CERTAINLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT WITH FEMA.

HOWEVER, IF IT'S AN ISSUE AND GEORGE, IF THE PIPE IS AN ISSUE GOING UNDER, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF SENDING A RESOLUTION TO THE DLT ABOUT DOING SOME WORK THERE TO IMPROVE IT, TO KEEP THE, UH, KEEP IT FROM BACKING UP.

IF IT'S THE PIPE IS IF THE PIPES, THE ISSUE, THE SIZE OF THE PIPE IS THE ISSUE.

THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES WITH THAT COVERT SYSTEM GOING UNDER THAT KIND OF COLUMN.

WELL, THEN I RECKON THAT THE BEST THING TO DO IS IF YOU, IF YOU THINK THAT A RESOLUTION TO THE STATE BANK TO INCREASE THEIR PIPE SIZE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HELP JUST LET US KNOW.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT PART OF IT CAUSE WE NEED TO, WELL, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT IN THERE.

I MEAN, IT IS, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, IF THE PIPE SIZE IS THE PROBLEM, I RECOMMEND IT.

IT'S THE PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE SITUATION FOR OVER, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO GET AN ENGINEER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IF IT'S, IF THAT WOULD HELP.

UM, I HAVE BEEN WITH HER WHEN HE LAID THAT PIPE ABOUT A FOOT TOO.

MINUTES, HOW MANY GALLONS COME THROUGH THERE FOR A MINUTE? WE CAN IN ON THE HYDRAULIC PUMPS, WHEN YOU DO APPROXIMATELY 21,000 GALLONS, A MINUTE PER PUMP, AND WE HAVE TWO BOMBS.

AND IF WE'RE GONNA DO A RESOLUTION TO THE STATE, THEN WE NEED TO INCLUDE SOME OTHER AREAS AS WELL, THAT STATE MAINTAIN LIKE ON SIMMONS STREET AND OTHER AREAS.

SO I THINK ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE PUT WITHIN THAT, IN THAT PACKAGE DEAL TO THE STATE.

WELL, AND MY IDEA, YOU KNOW, GEORGE, LIKE WE WERE TALKING AND DANNY MENDEZ BACK IN HER BACK ROOM, UM, CLAYMORE TRUST FUND HELPED A LOT WITH SIMMONS WHEREVER WITH THE COURT, WITH, UH, MARTIN MARIETTA.

AND SO I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE FUNDING AVAILABLE THAT, UH, BARBARA, IF YOU WERE SPEAKING, UH, ONE THING GEORGE WAS, WAS LOOKING INTO IS THE POSSIBILITY OF WHEN YOU'RE, THE CANAL IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, WE GET SATURATED LIKE WE DID LAST WEEK AND THE CAPILLARY OF, OR GETTING INTO THE GROUND IS NOT THERE THAT THIS RESERVOIR, IF YOU HAD A SUDDEN SURGE IN WATER, UM, THIS THING WOULD KIND OF POP OUT, LIKE, YEAH, WE KNOW WE HAVE A LITTLE DOCK AT HOME, SORRY, AND IT'S NOT COMING DOWN INTO THE LOWER NEIGHBORHOODS TOO FAST, JUST LIKE A MODERN DESIGNS DON'T WANT TO BOND.

DOES IT MAKE ME, YOU, THEY ANY WORK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT? CORRECT? IS THAT SO THAT COULD POSSIBLY, WHEN WE CLEANED THE DITCHES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, THAT COULD POSSIBLY HELP HIM.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW ALL MY BEST FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT AND OLDER WOMAN HAIRS, UM, THE WHOLE RAILROAD RIDE AWAY, AND THAT SITUATION FROM THE HOP STATION DOWN TO THE SEMI'S FEET, UM, WHERE ARE WE ON GETTING OUT OF THAT CANAL PLAYING NOW? OR REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT PASS? YES.

WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT SOME ADDITIONAL, A ONE THAT WE'RE HAVING DRAPER ADEN IN THE CONTRACT, OR LOOK AT IN THERE ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME ADDITIONAL AREAS THAT WORK IN THE CONTRACT PLANS THAT WE WANT TO SEE.

WE'RE GETTING LOW IN THAT AREA FROM NORTH MEALS TO TAKE THEM HOME.

I LIKE TO GIVE YOU A COMPLIMENT HERE.

I'VE SEEN PUMPS, RIGHT.

DOING ALL RIGHT.

LAST WEEK I WENT OUT THERE JUST ON MY OWN JUST TO CHECK IT OUT, TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE THEY DITCHING REALLY FULL SPITCH AND, AND W FIELD AREA ALONG ON SIMMONS STREET.

THERE WATER'S REALLY COME IN AND TELL ME AGAIN, I'M IN

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UH, AT THIS TIME, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

WE'RE GOING TO GO TO APPOINTMENTS.

IF I MISS ANYTHING 13, WE'RE GOING TO TABLE 13.

THE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU TO GET THROUGH A FULLNESS.

[14. Appointment(s).]

COOL.

WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT.

OH YEAH.

WE'RE.

WE'RE ASKING TO TABLE THAT.

NO, SORRY.

I HAVE NO APPOINTMENTS.

UM, MR. MR. JAMES WOODS, WHICH WE ALL KNOW OUR VERY OWN CONTACTED ME AND HAS A DESIRE TO SERVE, UM, WANT TO SERVE ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO HAVE MR. WOODS ON THAT COMMITTEE.

SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION? IS THAT ALDERMAN ITEM? YES.

NOW WOULDN'T THE BOARD WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS APPOINTMENTS TO THE DANGEROUS DOME BOARD MANAFORT, WAS THERE ONE POSITION THAT WAS NOT TO HAVE THE VET SAID THEY WOULD UPDATE SOME OF THAT? THE TWO CURRENT, UM, UH, POINTY STOPPED HER STEVE STELE AND DONNA BAKER, THEIR TERMS HAVE EXPIRED, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO BE REAPPOINTED.

AND THEN THERE'S A NEW INTEREST IN THE THIRD SEAT BY DR.

BOBBIE TRABA.

IS THAT ALL THREE OF THOSE TWO WOULD BE REAPPOINTMENTS ONE WOULD BE A MOOT POINT.

I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE REAPPOINT DR.

STEVE STELLA AND DONNA BAKER TO THE DANGEROUS DOG BOARD.

AND WE APPOINT DR.

BOBBY COUTURE MOTION IN SEGMENT.

IS THERE DISCUSSION, SAY NON SEVEN ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH OUR BANK.

ALDERMAN BINGO.

OUT OF THE WOMAN HARRIS.

ATTORNEY'S REPORT CITY MANAGER'S

ALDERMAN ASKED HER MAYOR OUTLAW ALDERMAN KINSEY.

MOTION CARRIES AT THIS TIME.

[16. City Manager's Report.]

REPORT TO REMIND THEM THAT NATIONAL NIGHT OUT HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED FOR THIS WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.

AND YOU WERE SENT, UH, THE UPDATED SCHEDULE EARLIER TODAY BY EMAIL,

[17. New Business.]

THE BUSINESS STARTED WITH ALL THE NIGHT ON, NOT THE NICER I'LL REMEMBER THAT.

UM, YES, I DO.

MAYOR.

UM, I ATTENDED THE FEMA, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, UH, MEETING AT THE OMEGA CENTER ON JULY 29TH.

AND, UM, I WAS A LITTLE UPSET BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CITIZENS THERE THAT WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE, AS A BOARD HAVE ALREADY VOTED AND APPROVED THAT WE WERE GOING TO BUILD THE STANDING WHITE REC CENTER ON THIRD AVENUE.

AND I, I JUST THINK THAT WE, MR. MR. HUGHES, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE GIVE OUR CITIZENS A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE STAND AT THIS POINT WITH THE STANDING WHITE REC CENTER, WHEREAS WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WHY WE DID WHAT SELECTED THE PROCESS OF AN ALTERNATE SITE.

SO OUR CITIZENS WOULD HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT WAS TOTAL CHAOS.

AND I DON'T, I JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY THAT THE MEETING TURNED OUT AND I, AND I THINK WE OWE IT TO OUR CITIZENS.

I KNOW I DO TO BE TRANSPARENT.

AND I THINK THAT WE AS A BOARD HAVE BEEN TRANSPARENT, BUT APPARENTLY THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT IN OUR CITY ARE SOME THAT THINK THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN.

AND I, I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO EVEN DISCUSS THE STANDING WHITE REC CENTER, BECAUSE IF I HAVE CITIZENS THAT FEEL THAT I HAVE MISLED THEM, OR IF I HAVE GAY LIED TO THEM, WHATEVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES MAY BE, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE TIME, THE ENERGY TO REALLY

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LISTEN TO A LOT OF THESE PROPAGANDA.

AND IT'S BEGINNING TO BE IT'S, IT'S REALLY BEGINNING TO BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT AFFECTED A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES.

AND IT HAS THROWN STONES AT A LOT OF PEOPLE.

A LOT OF I'M NOT GOING TO SAY CALL SOMEBODY A LIAR.

A LOT OF UNTRUTH WAS TOLD.

AND I JUST THINK AT THIS POINT, MR. HUGHES, IF YOU COULD GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW WITH REBUILDING STANDING WHITE REC CENTER AT LOCATION WISE OR WHATEVER.

YES MA'AM.

SO IS EVERYONE WILL REMEMBER BACK IN THE SPRING OF 2020, I BELIEVE IT WAS MAY THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN VOTED TO CHANGE THE SCOPE OF WORK ON THIS, UH, STAN LEE WHITE RECREATION CENTER PROJECT, UH, TO MOVE IT TO THE THIRD AVENUE LOCATION, UH, THAT TRIGGERED AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WITH FEMA.

UH, THAT PROCESS STARTED IN SAID LATE AUGUST OF 2020, AND IT IS STILL GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

WE WERE IN ONE OF THE FINAL PHASES OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC INPUT.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD SHOULD END ON AUGUST 16TH, WHICH IS IN A WEEK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A WEEK FROM NOW.

ONCE THE PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD CLOSES, FEMA WILL REVIEW ANY PUBLIC INPUT THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED.

AND SO IF ANYONE WENT TO THAT MEETING, THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THEIR INFORMATION DOWN ON, UH, ON, ON CARDS.

THEY ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAIL INFORMATION TO FEMALE OR EMAIL INFORMATION TO FEMA ON HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THE STANLEY WIDE RECREATION CENTER PROJECT.

SO ONCE WE RECEIVE A DETERMINATION FROM FEMA, WHICH WE HOPE WILL BE WITH ANYWHERE FROM, UH, A WEEK AFTER THE PUBLIC INPUT PERIOD TO SIX WEEKS, WE, WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TIME PERIOD WILL BE.

THEN WE WILL KNOW WHERE THINGS STAND.

UH, ONCE WE HEAR FROM THEM, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD ON HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED, BUT, UH, ON THE STAFF SIDE, UH, ONCE WE DO HERE, UH, THAT DETERMINATION AND YOU, YOU TELL US WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT US TO TAKE.

WE'RE READY TO, UH, PUT OUT AN RFP TO GO AHEAD AND START BUILDING THE STANAWAY RECREATION CENTER.

THE MEETINGS AND ANSWERED IN THE QUESTION THAT WAS GARNERED AND GATHERED FROM MS. STANLEY WHITE REC COMMITTEE.

YOU DID NOT INCLUDE AT THIS POINT, IF WE HAVE ALL AS A BOARD VOTED ON REBUILDING, STANDING WHITE BACK ON THIRD AVENUE OR GASTON BOULEVARD, THAT WAS PART OF MINE IS CURRENTLY BEEN MADE ON THAT DECISION.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

LET ME, LET ME ADD THIS.

ONCE THIS BOARD APPROVE THE CHANGE OF SCOPE OF WORK.

AND ONCE FEMA HAS A, NOW THAT FEMA HAS AGREED, AND THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED AT THE MEGA CENTER THAT IN ACCORDANCE TO EXECUTIVE ORDER 11 988, FEMA CANNOT AND WILL NOT FUND US TO BUILD THAT CENTER BACK AT THE, IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN, THAT THAT'S A GIVEN.

AND IF YOU WANT TO ASK COREY HIS OPINION ON IT, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO ASK COREY HIS OPINION ON IT.

BUT ONCE THIS BOARD VOTED AND ALL OF US VOTED TO DO IT, TO CHANGE THE SCOPE OF WORK UNDER THE LAW, THEY CAN, IF, IF THE ALTERNATE SITE IS APPROVED, THERE'S NO BUILDING IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN.

IT HAS TO BE MOVED TO THE ALTERNATE SIDE.

THIS IS ALL THE WOMAN HARRIS.

AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THAT TOO.

UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT MEETING ON JUNE 15TH, 2020, UM, IT WAS NOT A RESOLUTION.

IT WAS GIVING THE CITY MANAGER DIRECTION AND YOU CAN GO BACK AND SEE THAT ALL OF US DID NOT NECESSARILY AGREE, BUT THE FEMA EXPERT WHO HAPPENS TO BE ON THE CALL TONIGHT STATED WHEN YOU AND OLIN ASKED IF WE WERE OBLIGATED TO TELL THEM ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.

NOW LET'S GO BACK TO MARCH.

WHEN I WAS IN DC 12 SESSION, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS PROPERTY AND YOU GUYS TALKED TO US AS IF IT WAS GOING TO BE A BACKUP POINT, WHAT HAPPENED? WE ALL VOTED ON OCTOBER 8TH, THAT WE WOULD BUILD THERE WHITE BACK IN THAT SAME LOCATION WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, ONE SHOP FOUND OUT IT WAS APPROVED.

THAT'S WHEN HE STARTED DOING THIS STUFF, THE DECEIT AND THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF, YOU TRY TO, YOU GUYS TRY TO PORTRAY A CERTAIN WAY, BUT YOU KNEW ALL ALONG.

YOU NEVER WANTED TO SPEND THAT MONEY IN THAT COMMUNITY.

AND I SAID THAT FROM DAY ONE, I CAN NOT SAY I'M NOT DONE, BUT IT IS TRUE THAT HE CAN ALSO ASK FOR A CHANGE.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.

AND WE CAN ALSO ASK FOR A CHANGE OF SCOPE IN REGARDS TO THE SIZE, BECAUSE THAT WAS STATED IN ONE OF

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SO LET'S NOT MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THIS IS A DONE DEAL BECAUSE IT CAN BE CHANGED.

COREY, CAN YOU ASK YOU THAT QUESTION? I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT ALL, IS IT LAW THAT WANTS ALTERNATE SITE HAS BEEN DETERMINED AND APPROVED THAT IT HAS TO GO TO THAT ALTERNATE SITE AND IT CAN NO LONGER BE BUILT BACK IN A FLOOD PLAIN? IS THAT NOT TRUE? THAT IS CORRECT.

IF, IF I CAN, IF I CAN RECAP, UM, THE, THE HISTORY OF THIS A LITTLE BIT.

THE EXPERT THAT WAS WORKING ON IT, MARCH 10TH, THE, IN THAT PHOTO SESSION, THEY KNEW ABOUT AN ALTERNATE ALTERNATE LOCATION.

WHEN, WHEN WE STARTED GOING THROUGH WITH, WITH BIMA AND THE, AND THE STANLEY WHITE CENTER AND THE COSTING AND SO ON, UH, AND PUTTING THE PROJECT TOGETHER, THERE WAS NO, UH, ALTERNATE SITE, UM, THAT WAS FEASIBLE THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO RELOCATE THE STANLEY WHITE CENTER AND THE CITY OF BIKE UNDER EXECUTIVE ORDER 11, 9 88, AND THE CITY ARE REQUIRED, ESPECIALLY MORE FEMA THAN, THAN THE CITY, ALTHOUGH IT DOES APPLY TO THE CITY AS WELL, IS, IS REQUIRED TO, UM, UH, TO RELOCATE OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN, WHEN USING FEDERAL FUNDS, IF A, IF A FEASIBLE OR ACCEPTABLE LOCATION IS, IS AVAILABLE.

SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO STEP BY STEP, SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING.

SO IN THE VERY BEGINNING, THERE WAS NO ALTERNATE LOCATION, AND WE ADVISE FEMA TO THAT.

THEY DID THE REVIEW AND, UH, AND THEY, UH, THEY APPROVED THE PROJECT, UH, TO GO BACK AT THE ORIGINAL LOCATION AS THAT THERE WAS NO ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD, PLAIN, THE PROJECT WENT THROUGH, UH, THE, UH, THE FEMA REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS, WHICH TOOK A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME, UH, CONSIDERING THAT IT WAS AN $8 MILLION.

IT HAS TO GO THROUGH, UM, OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS REVIEW AND, AND, UM, UH, AND, AND OTHER, UH, REVIEWS AT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

AND THE, UH, THE CITY BECAME AWARE THAT AN ALTERNATE LOCATION, THE GAS BUMPY PROXIMITY, UH, WAS, UH, WAS AVAILABLE AND THAT IN, AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THAT COULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE LOCATION.

THE, UM, THE CITY ASKED IF WE WERE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY FEMA, UM, ALL POTENTIAL ALTERNATE LOCATION.

AND MY ANSWER TO YOU WAS, YES, IF YOU DO NOT, AND YOU REBUILD BACK AT THE, UH, EXISTING LOCATION, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL THAT BEAM UP TO COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY THAT YOU VIOLATED EXECUTIVE ORDER 11, 9 88, THAT THERE WAS A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE LOCATION AND COULD DENY ALL OF YOUR FUNDING.

SO THE DECISION WAS MADE TO NOTIFY THEME OF THE ALTERNATE LOCATION.

WE NOTIFIED THEM OF THAT, THEN THAT INSTITUTED A PROCESS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE ULTIMATE LOCATION WAS IN FACT, A SUITABLE LOCATION, UH, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE STANLEY WHITE CENTER.

THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW.

UH, THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS AND, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE END OF IT.

AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL END OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN EXTENSIVELY EXPLORED BY MY FEMA AND IN THE CITY, IN, IN ALL OF THE MANAGEMENT, UH, THERE'S, UH, BEEN, UH, OR SAMPLING IS DONE AT THE PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO CONTAMINANTS THERE.

UH, THE, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS HAS BEEN DONE, UM, MOST RECENTLY, UH, BEING THE HELL DAY, UH, PUBLIC, UH, CONFERENCE, UH, WITH, WITH THE CITY.

AND, UH, ALTHOUGH I WASN'T IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING AND I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM, I HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THAT, UH, FEMA, UM, IF I ASKED YOU, UM, EXACTLY WHAT I APPLIES THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, UH, A, UH, A YEAR EARLIER THAT SAID THAT IF THERE WAS AN ALL, IF THERE IS A, A FEASIBLE LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD, PLAIN, THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO RELOCATE IT OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD, PLAIN, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED YET.

HOWEVER, THE INDICATIONS ARE THAT THE ALTERNATE LOCATION IS CONSIDERED TO BE A FEASIBLE LOCATION.

IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN YOU CANNOT BUILD IT BACK IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN COREY, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

SO, UM, SINCE YOU'RE THE ONE THAT THE FEMALE CONSULTANT,

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FEMA ACCEPTED THE APPLICATION ON MARCH 14TH.

SO WHY DID WE WAIT SO LONG TO INFORM THEM OF AN ALTERNATE LOCATION? WHY DID WE ASK FOR A CHANGE IN SCOPE AFTER FEMA HAD ALREADY APPROVED THE FUNDING FOR THAT IN THE SAME LOCATION? SO HELP THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OR HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW CAN PEOPLE ONCE SAID YES TO THAT LOCATION AND THEN SAY NO TO THE LOCATION OR THE TIMING? LIKE, WHY, WHY DID WE WAIT AND NOT ALERT THAT WHOM WE KNEW ON THE 10TH OF ANOTHER LOCATION OF A POSSIBLE LOCATION? ARE YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FOUR DAY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DATES, UM, THAT IT WAS, YES.

WE KNEW ABOUT ALTERNATE LOCATION.

AND WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS ACCEPTED BY HEMO, AREN'T, YOU OBLIGATED FROM THE LATEST ACCEPTED TO UPDATE THEM BACK THEN WHY DID WE WAIT SO LONG TO UPDATE FEMA ON THE ULTIMATE LOCATION? THE, THE ALTERNATE LOCATION, UH, BECAME, UH, BECAME KNOWN TO THE CITY AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATES IN FRONT OF ME.

AND YOU, UH, OF ITERATED THAT, THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN MET ON THE, ON THE 10TH.

UH, I, I HAVE NO REASON TO DISPUTE.

UM, THE REASON, UH, I WAS ASKED IF WE SHOULD NOTIFY THEMA IMMEDIATELY OVER POTENTIAL ALTERNATE VOCATION.

AND MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION WAS THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN UNDER REVIEW BY FEMA FOR MONTHS.

NOW, IT HAS TAKEN YEARS TO GET THIS PROJECT.

AT THIS POINT, IT IS IN OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS REVIEW, WHICH IS THE FINAL, FINAL STEP TO OBLIGATION.

IF YOU NOTIFY FEMA TODAY, THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL ALTERNATE LOCATION, AND YOU PULL THAT PROJECT BACK FROM BEING OBLIGATED.

IT MIGHT TAKE YEARS FOR FEMA TO OBLIGATE THAT PROJECT.

SO THE DECISION WAS MADE SINCE IT WAS IN THE FINAL DAYS OF OBLIGATION TO WAIT FOR THE PROJECT TO BE OBLIGATED, AND THEN PERFORM YOUR DUTIES UNDER THE LAW TO NOTIFY THEM THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL ALTERNATE LOCATION HAT.

LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

LET'S SAY THAT YOU HADN'T NOTIFIED FEMA PRIOR TO THE OBLIGATION AND, UH, AND, UH, AND THEY HAD PULLED THE PROJECT BACK AND LET'S SAY THAT THE GASTON STREET PROPERTY, UH, TURNED OUT NOT TO BE A FEASIBLE LOCATION.

LET'S SAY THAT THEY FOUND, UH, YOU KNOW, TOXIC CHEMICALS IN THE GROUND.

AND FEMA SAID THAT IT IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE LOCATION.

YOU WOULD BE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

ANYTHING TO THE PUBLIC IN REGARDS TO THE NEXT STEP? BECAUSE WE LEARNED, WE HAVE ASKED NUMEROUS MEETINGS FOR UPDATES AND THE VERY IMPORTANT OF IT, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, CITIZENS WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT SANDY WHITE COULD, NO ONE WOULD BE BUILT IN THAT SAME LOCATION INSTEAD OF DRAGGING IT OUT THE WAY THAT IT WAS.

UH, WITH A, UM, OBLIGATED PROJECT.

AND, UH, AND BY THE TIME THE EA WAS DONE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SAME POINT IN TIME THAT WE ARE NOW, OKAY, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE AN OBLIGATED PROJECT AND IT WOULD TAKE MONTHS IF NOT A YEAR, TO PUSH THAT PROJECT THROUGH, TO GET TO THE OBLIGATION.

SO THAT IS THE REASON THAT THERE WAS A SLIGHT DELAY IN NOTIFYING FEMA OF THE POTENTIAL ALTERNATE LOCATION.

THAT THE OTHER ISSUE THAT IS HERE IS, IS THAT I HAD REQUESTED THAT, UM, MORE TIME TO RESEARCH INTO THIS SECTION OF THE LAW, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT ONE THAT INVOLVES ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE CITY'S EXACT OBLIGATION WAS TO NOTIFY FEMA.

WE KNOW THAT YOU'LL NOTICE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THEM PRIOR TO, UM, UH, THE, OR WHILE THE PROJECT IS BEING FORMULATED.

IF THERE IS A POTENTIAL ALTERNATE LOCATION AT WHICH TIME THERE WASN'T.

AND, UH, AFTER, AFTER FINAL RESEARCH, I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT EVEN AFTER OBLIGATION, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY FEMA AND EXPLORING THE POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE.

AND I HOPE THAT THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

AND SO BASICALLY YOU WERE SAYING IS, IS, UM, YOU, WE DECIDED NOT TO SAY ANYTHING.

AND WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY THIS UPDATE COULD'VE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE PUBLIC? THAT, THAT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IS NOT TELL FEMA UNTIL IT WAS APPROVED, THE OTHER LOCATION THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE YOUR SCHOOL.

WHY WERE WE NOT TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT PART? IS IT SOMETHING, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD IN MANY OF THESE MEETINGS, HOWEVER, WE DON'T WANT TO TELL OR SAY OR DO THAT WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE FEMA WILL GET UPSET.

SO WHY DID WE NOT TELL THE PUBLIC THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS? AND THIS MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT AS THE EXPERT, I'M, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, DID YOU ADVISE THE BOARD NOT TO SAY

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AND AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

I DID NOT ADVISE THE BOARD OR ANYONE NOT TO, UH, TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THIS.

UH, THIS WAS A MATTER OF, UH, AS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, OKAY, FOUR DAYS AS TO WHETHER, UH, WE, UH, WE NOTIFIED FEMUR OR NOT.

I, I, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE ILLUSION OR THE, UH, UH, THE, THE IDEA THAT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, DELIBERATELY HELD SOMETHING, NOT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

AND DIDN'T TELL FEMA THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

THE PROJECT WAS IN ITS FINAL STAGES OF, UH, OF OBLIGATION.

AND THE JUDGMENT CALL WAS MADE TO, TO JUST LET IT GO THROUGH AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND DEAL WITH THE ULTIMATE LOCATION.

UM, UH, AFTER THE PROJECT WAS OBLIGATED, THEN I, I STAND BY THAT DECISION.

AND, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS A VERY WISE DECISION FOR THE CITY TO PAY.

AND, UM, COULD THERE HAVE BEEN ANY, UM, ANY NEGATIVE, UM, ON THE APPLICATION, IF WE DID INFORM THE CITIZENS OF WHAT YOU STATED IN REGARDS TO THE CHANGE OF BOTH, IT SEEMED THAT WINDOW THAT COULD HURT OR HARM THE PROCESS THAT WE WERE IN.

I, UM, THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED THE EA THE CHANGE SCOPE OF WORK IS WHAT TRIGGERED THE EA.

THEY, UH, THE, THE OTHER POINT HERE IS, IS THAT THE, AT THE, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS WAS A POTENTIAL ALTERNATE LOCATION.

IT IS NOT UNTIL THE EA IS COMPLETED.

THAT, UM, THAT A FINAL DETERMINATION WILL BE MADE AS TO WHETHER THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE LOCATION OR NOT.

SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH A YEAR LONG PROCESS TO DETERMINE, UH, AS TO WHETHER THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE LOCATION.

UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE KNOWLEDGE OF GASTRO STATE PROPERTY, POTENTIAL ALTERNATE LOCATION.

COREY, I LOVE THAT YOU KEEP SAYING THAT IT WAS A POTENTIAL, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE.

AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU BECAUSE SOME OF THE OWNERS HAVE COME OUT AND SAID THAT THEY WERE APPROACHED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT IF THEY DID NOT SELL THIS PROPERTY, THE CITY WAS NOT EVEN DONE IT.

NOW WE KNOW IT'S POLITICS PROBABLY, BUT TO TELL THE TRUTH, BUT THIS ALTERNATIVE LOCATION HAS BEEN A SET UP ON THE BEGINNING ON MARK HIM.

AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL AND Y'ALL HAD THIS MEETING, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU HAD THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS TO JUMP UP HERE AND TRY TO GO ME AND BARBARA BEST ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THAT THAT'S TERRIBLE, THAT Y'ALL DO THAT.

THAT'S, Y'ALL SIT UP HERE.

AND HE TRIED TO SOAK UP THE SEAT IN THIS COMMUNITY, AS THE LEADERSHIP IS NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.

WHEN YOU TRY TO LIVE WITH US, YOU COME TO THESE MEETINGS TO SABOTAGE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S TERRIBLE THAT YOU DO THAT BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY FRIED OUT TO US, INVITING US INTO THEIR CHURCHES IN THEIR HOMES.

AND WE VOTED TO BUILD IT BACK THERE.

AND FEMA AGREED TO HIM BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT TO SPEND $8 MILLION OR MORE IN THE COMMUNITY.

YOU CHOSE NOT TO.

THAT'S A SMACK IN THE FACE BECAUSE YOU DON'T JUST REPRESENT YOUR WARD.

YOU REPRESENT THE ENTIRE CITY AND I'M FRUSTRATED THAT Y'ALL CONTINUE TO SO DECEIT INTO THESE COMMUNITIES THAT IT'S NOT RIGHT.

IT'S NOT RIGHT.

SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO MATTER WHAT FEMA HAS TO SAY.

IT CAN'T GO BACK IN THAT LOCATION.

AND HE DID THAT ON PURPOSE.

I'M DONE.

I NEED TO RESPOND.

NUMBER ONE, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN SAY THAT THIS WASN'T TRANSPARENT.

WHEN WE ALL VOTED ON THE CHA OR GAVE DIRECTION ON THE CHANGE.

I AGREE CHANGED IT.

CONSTITUENT THAT TOLD YOU TO QUIT MESSING AROUND WITH THIS THING AND LET'S BUILD A RECREATION CENTER BACK.

WE GAVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER, INTO OUR CONSULTANT TO CHANGE THE SCOPE OF WORK.

AND IT WAS VOTED ON IN THIS ROOM BY EVERYBODY, INCLUDING YOU.

THE SECOND THING, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME, LET ME GET THROUGH TALKING.

YOU ASKED ME TO STAY IN UNTIL YOU GOT THROUGH.

SO LET ME GET THROUGH.

THE SECOND THING IS YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT IN THAT COMMUNITY IS, IS THIRD AVENUE, NOT PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, IT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

DID YOU READ THE EMAIL THAT YOU RECEIVED TODAY FROM ONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS? I'M ASSUMING IT WAS THE

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WE WE'VE BEEN PLAYING AROUND WITH THIS THING FOR A LONG TIME.

NOW IT'S TIME TO PUT A CENTER BACK AND LET'S MAKE THE CENTER BIGGER AND BETTER AND DRYER, AND LET'S GET THIS THING GOING.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, IT IS, THIS IS, THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH.

I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE.

PEOPLE MAKING MOTIONS ARE VOTING TO BUY THE PROPERTY AND THEN SAYING, WELL, WE DIDN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO BUY THE PROPERTY.

WE, IT WAS AN ALTERNATIVE SIDE.

WELL, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT WAS AN ALTERNATIVE.

SO I CAN TELL THE SCOPE OF WORK WAS CHANGED.

IT WAS, THEN IT BECOMES THE PRIMARY SITE.

YOU KNOW, YOU VOTED FOR IT.

YOU MADE THE MOTION TO VOTE, TO BUY THE PROPERTY.

AND NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO WAIT WE'RE WAY OUT OF IT.

AND IT'S JUST CLEAR AS DAY THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON AND I'M TIRED OF IT.

LISTEN, YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A 4 28 GRAND.

DO YOU KNOW, UNDER A FOUR 20 A GRANT THAT WE CAN APPLY TO TAKE THIS ENTIRE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND USE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I MEAN, WE CAN USE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WE CAN GO OUT AND BUILD A CENTER IN MARTIN, MARIETTA PARK.

THERE'S NOT A SINGLE BOARD MEMBER THAT WANTS TO DO THAT.

WE ALL WANT THIS CENTER START CONSTRUCTION TOMORROW ON THE ALTERNATE SITE, LET'S QUIT MESSING AROUND ABOUT BUILDING A BUILDING IN A FLOOD, PLAIN, THAT IN THE NEXT HURRICANE COMES THROUGH HERE, WE'VE GOT TO WORRY ABOUT IT AGAIN.

LET'S BUILD A BUILDING IN A BUILDING THAT WON'T FLOOD THAT WE CAN USE FOR A RED CROSS SHELTER FOR THE COMMUNITY, WITH A GENERATOR INSTEAD OF BEING STUCK IN SOME HOT SEAT.

COOL WITH NO ELECTRICITY, NO FOOD, NOTHING BUT HOT WATER.

LET'S START BUILDING.

THIS IS THE, THIS IS IF I WOULD'VE BEEN IN YOUR SHOES, I WOULD HAVE GONE TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAID, THIS IS THE BEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A NICE BUILDING.

IT'S GOING TO BE OUT OF THE FLOOD.

PLAIN.

IT'S NOT ONE COST THE CITY 50 OR $60,000 A YEAR IN FLOOD INSURANCE.

IT CAN BE UTILIZED AS A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY OVER THERE.

IT CAN BE UTILIZED AS A RED CROSS SHELTER.

WE CAN BUILD IT BACK BIGGER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ALL THIS MONEY TO RAISE THE BUILDING UP THE ROADS AROUND THE BUILDING.

WE WON'T BE ABLE TO USE IT DURING A HURRICANE BECAUSE ALL THE ROADS AROUND THE BUILDING, FLOODS AND APP, AND YOU KNOW, I TAKE OFFENSE TO SOME OF THESE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT BACKROOM BILLS.

SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, JAMIE, I'VE ASKED THE CITY MANAGER DAY TO PUT YOU ON THE FEMA TEAM.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE GETTING AN INVITE TO ON THURSDAYS TO ATTEND A TWO HOUR FEMA MEETING, TO DISCUSS ALL THESE OUTSTANDING PROJECTS.

SO BE PREPARED, GET THAT INVITE AND SIT IN.

AND THIS ZOOM MEETING THURSDAY AT 10 O'CLOCK FOR TWO HOURS.

AND THAT WAY YOU CAN MAKE IT WHATEVER DISCUSSION YOU WANT TO ABOUT BACK ROOM, NO BACK ROOM STUFF HAS BEEN DONE HERE.

YOU WERE ADVISED OF EVERYTHING WAS BEING DONE HERE.

YOU ARE KNEW ABOUT IT.

YOU MADE THE MOTION AND NOW YOU'VE GOT 15 PEOPLE THAT ARE UPSET WITH YOU ABOUT IT, BUT YOU SHOULD HEAR THE COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE PEOPLE AT THE MEGA CENTER LABS OVER THERE.

THE OTHER DAY, ONE OF THEM WAS A PERSON THAT SAID, I WENT OVER THERE TO THAT STANLEY WHITE CENTER THE OTHER DAY AFTER THE RAINSTORM AND THE WHOLE FIELD WAS UNDERWATER.

WE NEED TO MOVE IT.

THAT WAS WHAT WAS SAID TO ME.

AND SO I'M TIRED OF IT.

I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

WE NEED TO QUIT WORRYING ABOUT IT.

YOU SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL YOUR, THE PEOPLE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE, WHAT A GOOD THING THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AND WHAT A GOOD THING IT CAN BE.

AND THAT EVIDENTLY DIDN'T TAKE PLACE.

INSTEAD, YOU FOLLOW THE LEAD OF A FEW PEOPLE AND, AND YOU ARE, ARE FIGHTING IT TOOTH AND NAIL.

AND THAT'S ALL I GOT.

I'M NOT QUITE ANYTHING TO THE NAIL.

BOBBY I'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING THAT PURCHASING THE PROPERTY IS A GREAT IDEA.

AS A PLAN B, HOW MANY THEME OF MEETINGS HAVE I BEEN INVITED TO WHEN, WHEN YOU GO TO CONGRESSMEN AND YOU AND THE MAYOR WILL COME DOWN THERE AND TALK TO THEM.

I TOLD YOU THAT AT THE MEETING ON JUNE 9TH OF THAT YEAR, YOU DID NOT INVITE ME IN ALL OF A SUDDEN, BECAUSE I CALL YOU OUT ON THIS STUFF.

NOW I'M GOING TO

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GET AN INVITE.

I'LL BE GLAD TO BE IN AND BE IN THE THEME OF MEETINGS BECAUSE SHE KNOWS YOU HAVE HAPPENED PROBABLY BECAUSE I CALLED YOU ON IT.

AND I SPEAK FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY THAT DID COME TO ME.

SO, UM, UNLESS THAT HAS CHANGED, WHICH IN MY EYES HAD BEEN, THEY WANT IT TO BE BUILT BACK IN THAT SAME LOCATION.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

DON'T TELL ME I DIDN'T GO INTO THE COMMUNITY AND TELL THEM WHAT WAS GOOD AND WHAT WASN'T, BECAUSE I, I HAD SAID THAT YOU SAW THE VIDEO, YOU COMPLAINED ABOUT THE VIDEO THAT I MADE, BUT WHAT I DO STAND ON IS THAT I'M BROKEN BY THE PEOPLE.

AND SO IF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE ASK THEM, WANT IT TO BE BUILT BACK IN THAT SAME LOCATION, I AM OBLIGATED AS A MOUTHPIECE FOR THAT BOARD.

FOR MAJORITY THAT DID SPEAK TO TRY AND ADVOCATE IT TO BE BACK IN THAT LOCATION, PLEASE DON'T EVER COME UP ON ME WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT I DO IN MY COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I DO A LOT.

AND I'M TELLING HER TO FIRST HEARD ABOUT WHAT WE WERE TOLD YEARS, BUT WHAT WE WROTE HER A DEAL WITH THE OMEGA CENTER FOR $75,000, WHAT'S GOING ON? HOW COME IT'S NOT OPEN FOR BASKETBALL? WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A CITY TO ENGAGE THESE CHILDREN? AND THESE YOU, WOW.

SINCE, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO SEEK YOU OUT, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH HIS WIFE? DID YOU KNOW, DID YOU KNOW THAT I WAS HAVING WITH THE FIM AND I WAS ON THE FEMA TEAM.

AND WE WERE ALSO HAVING MEETING WITH SOME CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS.

DID YOU KNOW THAT AFTER THE FACT, AND HE GOT THE UPDATE AT THE MEETING, DID YOU KNOW, DID YOU KNOW, DID YOU KNOW? CAUSE I KIND OF GAVE A REPORT ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETINGS.

DID YOU KNOW THAT I WAS HAVING THIS THEME OF MEETINGS WEEKLY SOMETIMES TWO OR THREE DAYS A WEEK? DID YOU KNOW THAT? SO WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK TO BE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE GOING TO THAT MEETING.

AND I WAS SPECIFICALLY CONCERNED ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT DEALT WITH HIM, THE NOMINAL AWARD REPRESENTATION IN THAT, THAT, AND I STATED THAT SO YOU CAN SIT UP HERE AND DEPICT THIS ALL YOU WANT.

I KNOW WHAT THE FACTS ARE.

YOU GUYS NEVER WANT IT TO BUILD IT BACK HERE.

AND YOU SWINDLED THE PEOPLE AND YOU TRY TO SEW A DECEIT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE IT LIKE LEADERSHIP.

DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO.

I WILL NEVER TAKE BACK THAT I MADE THE MOTION, CAUSE IT WAS A SMART DECISION BECAUSE I'M NOT A FEMALE CONSULTANT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO OBLIGATE THE PROJECT.

SO I HAD TO BE HERE ON SITE QUESTION THAT JUST IN CASE MY MOTHER RAISED ME TO THINK ABOUT JUSTIN CASE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I DID.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN I WENT BEHIND THE COMMUNITY.

IT DIDN'T SUPPORT IT.

AND WE KEEP USING THE WORD MOTION WE GAVE DIRECTION.

AND IN THAT MEETING, I SAID, THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M VOTING, YES, BECAUSE WE ARE OBLIGATED TO DO THAT.

I'M NOT WORKING HERE A LOT.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION ONE MORE TIME.

THERE WAS NUMEROUS TIMES THAT I GAVE A REPORT UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT I ATTENDED WITH FEMA AND WITH THE CONGRESSMAN AND WITH THE SENATOR, THERE WAS NUMEROUS TIMES THAT I GAVE THAT REPORT.

IF YOU WERE SO INTERESTED, WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK TO BE A PART OF THESE MEETINGS? I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ON THOSE MEETINGS.

I'M THE ONLY ALDERMAN THAT WAS ON THOSE MEETINGS.

I ASKED MARK.

I DID HAVE, I DID ASK TO BE CC ON THE MEETINGS AND I NEVER WAS.

AND IT'S DOCUMENTED IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND SOMEONE CAN DO THE RESEARCH.

WELL, YOU'LL BE ON THEM NOW.

WE'RE STILL UNDER NEW BUSINESS WITH OUR BEST AND OUR BEST.

YOU KIND OF HAVE THE FLOOR HERE BECAUSE YOU ARE, IT IS YOUR NEW BUSINESS.

WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ALL, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

IT WAS, IT WAS THE MEETING WHERE THE GENTLEMEN, I GUESS HE'S AN ARCHITECT THAT'S DOING THE STANLEY WHITE DESIGN CAME AND PRESENTED IT.

I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR, UM, I GUESS FOSTER WHERE THE CLERK, UM, I AGREE WITH WHAT ALDERMAN ALDERWOMAN SAID ABOUT THE CHANGE IN SCOPE.

IT WAS A, A DECISION OR DIRECTION I THINK THE BOARD GAVE, BUT WHEN THE FEMA CONSULTANTS CAME AND PRESENTED THIS ALTERNATIVE PLAN WITH THE TWO GYMNASIUM OR THE TWO BASKETBALL COURTS, THE WALTON TRACK ACROSS THE TOP, I BELIEVE WE TOOK A VOTE THAT NIGHT.

AM I CORRECT? I DON'T RECALL.

I DON'T REMEMBER IF SHE QUESTIONED SOME OF US.

I THINK FOR ME TRYING TO KILL A DEAL THAT THE THEME OF WANTING TO PUT A SEAWALL AROUND THE STANLEY WIPES CENTER, WE WERE SO EXHAUSTED FROM TRYING TO TOUGH FEMA OUT OF MAKING US A SEAWALL AROUND STANLEY WHITE.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? I DO ALONG WITH OTHER SUCH THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US, A LITTLE BLUR, IF WE DON'T HAVE IT ALL WRITTEN DOWN, WHAT ALL WE DID TO TRY FOR THE BEST WE COULD TO REMEDIATE THE SITUATION.

BUT AGAIN, I'M PRETTY SURE WE TOOK A VOTE THAT NIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME FOLKS THAT WERE UPSET THAT SAID IT WAS UNNECESSARY US TAKING THE BOAT THAT NIGHT.

SOME PEOPLE ON THE BOARD DIDN'T APPRECIATE THAT THE VOTE WAS TAKEN ABOVE PROCEDURALLY.

IT WAS ILLEGAL VOTE.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND THE BOARD DID TAKE A VOTE.

AND I THINK ALDERWOMAN HARRIS.

IF YOU REMEMBER, I THINK YOU VOTED AGAINST IT.

IS THAT CORRECT? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MEETING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

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I BELIEVE IT WAS IN FEBRUARY OF 2020.

THEY, THEY GAVE US A PRESENTATION AND A SCRATCH.

SO ON ALL OF THAT, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE WAS TWO OPTIONS STILL AVAILABLE, WHICH WAS OLD STANDING, WAITING, AND GAS AT BOULEVARD, WHEN THEY DID THE FOOD PRESENTATION, I VOTED NO AGAINST THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE I DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT.

RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS EITHER SIX, ONE OR FIVE, TWO ON THAT VOTE.

AND THAT ACTUALLY WAS A VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN ABOUT THAT CONCEPT PLAN.

SO I'LL JUST MY PIECE IS I'M READY TO VOTE ON IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE CAN, AS SOON AS WE CAN, LET'S VOTE ON IT.

I'VE HEARD FROM ENOUGH PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE SITE.

AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE RIBBON CUTTING WHEN WE'RE PLAYING BASKETBALL IN THE GYM COURT.

SO I'M GONNA STOP OH, THE BEST IT IS YOUR NEW BUSINESS.

SO YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD AT THAT MARCH, 2020 MEETING WHEN WE, IT WAS BOUGHT TIRED ATTENTION ABOUT AN ALTERNATE SITE, I CAN SAY RIGHT HERE.

NOW I TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD THAT WHOLE PROCESS.

AND I WISH THAT PROCESS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED WITH US MORE IN DEPTH WITH HOW FEMA WAS GOING TO HANDLE THAT ALTERNATE SITE.

AND THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED.

SO I, I CAN HONESTLY SAY I DID.

I WAS, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED TO US SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND BECAUSE ALDERMAN HARRIS, OF COURSE SHE MISUNDERSTOOD THE PROCESS AND SEWED IT ON BECAUSE IF AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR IT, BUT IT WAS NOT DISPOSED TO US.

AND FOUR IS THE GASTON BOULEVARD PROJECT I THINK IS A GREAT LOCATION TO PUT THE CENTER.

UM, BUT BY ME NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT PROCESS AND WHAT I'M HEARING HERE TONIGHT, IT WAS THAT ONCE IT WAS PRESENTED TO US AT THAT MARCH, 2020 MEETING, THAT WE ALL VOTED ON IT, THEN IT WAS A DONE DEAL BY ME NOT UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO ASK HER, I WISH THAT YOU HAD, WOULD HAVE EXPLAINED THAT PROCESS TO ME AND ALDERMAN HARRIS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL BECAUSE I REALLY DID NOT.

AND I'M NOT, I DON'T, I'M NOT SITTING HERE BLAMING YOU FOR IT NOW, BUT I WISHED IT HADN'T BEEN DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT, HOW MUCH IT WAS DISCUSSED, HOW MUCH IT WASN'T.

MY MEMORY'S NOT THAT GREAT, BUT I KNEW THAT IT WASN'T DURING, I THINK IT WAS DURING THAT SAME MEETING.

YOU THANK ALL OF THEM.

NOPE.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS APRIL 28 MEETING.

I THINK THE ALDERMAN AND THE MAYOR, BECAUSE I'M STILL UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS AN ALTERNATE SITE, NOT KNOWING THE PROCESS OR IF FEMA APPROVED IT, THAT THAT'S WHERE IT WAS GOING TO GO.

IT WAS AN ALTERNATIVE SITE UNTIL FEMA APPROVED.

EXACTLY.

AND SEE, I DID NOT.

THAT WAS MY MISTAKE FOR MISUNDERSTANDING AND OKAY.

I FEEL YOUR MISTAKE FOR NOT REALLY, SINCE YOU GOT THE ICE, YOU DON'T DO EXPLAIN ME.

MINE ARE NOT BECAUSE I NEED TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE MEEKNESS, SEE HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

I CAN'T HARDLY REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY SOMETIMES NOR CAN I AT SOME, AT SOME POINTS, BUT THAT WAS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, SIR.

UH, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M PRETTY CLEAR ON THIS IS SAME AS JEFF.

UM, I THINK IT JUST MAKES GOOD BUSINESS SENSE TO MOVE THE CENTER OUT OF THE FLOOD.

PLAIN, WE'RE TALKING A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY WITH SOME NICE TRAILS, CONNECTING THAT TO HENDERSON PARK WITH SOME ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL AMENITIES IN HENDERSON PARK AS WELL THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.

AND I'LL BE BECAUSE FEMA'S GOING TO REQUIRE US, I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO MAKE THE MOTION.

YOU CAN'T WAIT TO MAKE THE MOTION TO RELOCATE IT BECAUSE IT MAKES GOOD BUSINESS SENSE TO LOCATED OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE ALL THE WOMEN HERE.

UM, YES.

I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR MR. VAN PEPPER SAID THAT PACKED AWAY, WORKED FOR THE CITY, UM, FOR MANY YEARS AND THEN LET THEM DO A BIGGER AND BETTER OPPORTUNITY OUT IN CALIFORNIA.

I MEAN, HE WAS A GOOD MAN.

HE DID A LOT WITH DOUG BEST AND UM, UM, WE LOST A GOOD PERSON.

WHO IS THAT? OH MY GOD.

DAN, JAMIE, WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? I AM STUNNED

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IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO.