[1. 6:00pm: Welcome and roll call by Tharesa Lee, Board Chair.]
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HERE.MR. STRICKLAND COMMISSIONER BETH.
UH, EX-OFFICIO COMMISSIONER BAGEL HERE.
EX-OFFICIO COMMISSIONER BEST EX-OFFICIO COMMISSIONER HARRIS AND COMMISSIONER WALLACE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE PUBLIC TONIGHT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WEEDS, YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US TODAY? UH, NO, NOT IN THE COMPANY TONIGHT, BUT YOU WILL LET ME KNOW WHEN THE NEXT MEETING AND I HAVE A LOT TO TELL YOU.
SEE, WE HAVE NO, UH, NO PUBLIC, NO PUBLIC TONIGHT.
SO, UH, OUT OF NO AFFORD, THESE
[4. Residential Inspection Program.]
ARE RESIDENTIAL INSPECTION PER WORD.THEY, MR. UM, I READ ABOUT IN THE PLAN POLICY 2.12 SAYS WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A RESIDENTIAL INSPECTION PLAN.
THEY ALL KNOW THAT NOT ALL THAT DIFFICULT.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH AT OUR LAST MEETING.
FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS TO HAVE ONE IS THE OLDER PROPERTY KNOWN AS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN.
AND THE OTHER ISSUE WE NEED TO HAVE RESOLUTION TWO IS HOW TO ENSURE THAT LOW AND MODERATE INCOME INDIVIDUALS, UM, AND PAY FOR ANY KIND OF MINIMUM HOUSING REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY NEED TO UPGRADE THEIR, THEIR STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE NEED A PROCESS.
SO IN THE MEMO, IN YOUR PACKET, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, QUICK KIND OF PROCESS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, UM, OTHER WAYS TO DO IT, BUT THE ONLY WAY, UH, MY RECOMMENDATIONS HERE TALK ABOUT, UH, FIRST, JUST THE, HOW WE DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE GO ABOUT, UH, DOING THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CLEAN UP EFFORTS, KIND A AS A MODEL FOR BEING FAIR AND CONSISTENT TO EVERYBODY, UM, IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA WHERE PEOPLE ASK, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU DOING YOUR CLEANUPS ON THIS SECTION? NOT THIS SECTION.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A FEW MONTHS AWAY, BUT YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS.
UM, AND THAT, UH, THAT, THAT SEEMED TO WORK WELL FOR, FOR PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THERE, THERE IS A LOGICAL PROCESS TO GET TO THEM, AND WE'VE DONE TO TWO AREAS.
WE'RE ALL TO DO THE THIRD WALK THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND NEXT MONDAY, UH, THROUGH THE WALL BELLAMY LONGBOARD AREA.
SO THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE AGAIN, TO BREAK IT UP TO DO THIS RESIDENTIAL INSPECTION PROGRAM IS BREAK UP THE ENTIRE AREA INTO THE SUB AREAS, 10 TO 12, PROBABLY TOO BIG, ACTUALLY, UM, CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT, BUT THERE IS A, THERE IS A LOGICAL WAY TO DO IT.
AND I'D WORKED WITH THE INSPECTION STAFF.
UM, I DID REQUEST THE ANOTHER, UM, MENTAL HOUSING INSPECTOR IN THE BUDGET, THAT POSITION WASN'T FILLED.
UM, SO I HAVE ONE INSPECTOR FOR THE ENTIRE CITY AND IT GETS TAKEN IN EVERY DIRECTION, EVERY SINGLE DAY.
HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB THOUGH IN, UM, INSTILLED, FOCUSING ON THIS AREA, BUT IT ISN'T A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TO DO JUST ONE HOUSE.
YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES OR YOU HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN.
SO THE IDEA IS PROBABLY, I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY BREAK IT UP INTO MORE AREAS IN THAT I WOULD SAY 20 WOULD PROBABLY BE DOABLE AND MORE REASONABLE FOR ONE PERSON AND ESSENTIALLY START BREAKING THOSE DOWN AND JUST DO A DRIVE-BYS BECAUSE MOST OF THE HOMES YOU CAN TELL FROM THE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT HOMES NEED TO MEET ON THE OUTSIDE, ON SCREENS, BROKEN WINDOWS, ROCK MOLD, THE VISIBLE HOLES AND PLACES LIKE THAT.
UM, EVEN ROOMS THAT ARE MAYBE SAGGING TOO MUCH AND PITCH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE ALL, ALL THINGS THAT WOULD, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL HOUSING INSPECTION.
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UM, WITH THAT, WE WOULD CREATE A CHECKLIST, ESSENTIALLY TWO DIFFERENT CHECKLISTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE FIRST CHECKLIST WOULD BE, UH, THE FIRST DRIVE-BY THE VISUAL CHECK OFF HERE IS THE ADDRESS.HERE'S THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, AND CHECK THOSE OFF WHEN VIOLATIONS ARE FOUND, UM, LOOKING AT A WAY OF NOTIFYING THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE INTERIOR INSPECTION, THAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN.
I'M THINKING A FAIR WAY TO DO THAT IS TO SEND A CERTIFIED LETTER, GIVE THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, SAY ON THIS DAY, UM, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE, UH, CONDUCTING AN ONSITE INSPECTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TIME I PUT 7, 10, 14 DAYS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE WANT TO DISCUSS.
UM, AND FROM THERE IN INTERIOR INSPECTIONS, WE'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT CHECKLIST.
THERE'LL BE A MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE.
UM, I GAVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WITH, UM, WITH SENSORY, BUT THE HUD CHECKLIST WOULD BE APPROVED ON, I DO A SECTION EIGHT HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR A CDBG REHAB.
THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, TAKE CARE OF.
SO IT'S THE SAME PROCESS, UM, AND IT'S ALL THEIR OWN HOUSING RELATED THINGS.
AND, UH, JUST AGAIN FOR CONSISTENCY TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S BEING TREATED THE SAME.
EVERYONE GETS THE SAME CHECKLIST.
UM, AND EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS.
IF WE COME WITH, IF WE DO COME ACROSS A LOW-INCOME PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS FAILED INSPECTIONS, WE WILL ESSENTIALLY PUT THEM INTO OUR CVG REHAB PROGRAM FOR REPAIRS, IF THEY ARE IN FACT, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IN FACT, LOW INCOME SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE WHEN WE RUN INTO THESE PROBLEMS. UM, THERE'LL BE, UH, INTO OUR REHAB PROGRAM FOR REPAIRS THAT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO AMEND OUR EXISTING, UM, CDBG PROGRAM, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A PROCESS.
SO THAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND, UM, AND WE MOVE FORWARD.
THERE'LL BE A LAG, UM, POSSIBLY UP TO A YEAR.
IF WE COME ACROSS A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHERE WE IDENTIFY THE MINIMUM HOUSING ISSUES AND THEN PUT THEM THROUGH THE PROGRAM FOR THE REPAIRS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'LL, IT'LL GET DONE AND THERE WON'T BE ANY FURTHER ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS ON THEM, OBVIOUSLY WHILE THEY'RE IN THE PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE GIST OF IT.
UM, I HOPE YOU HAD TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO, UH, FOCUS ON BEFORE WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING, BECAUSE I WON'T HAVE ALL THESE ANSWERS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, JUST IN CASE I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'LL BE SOME COMMENT.
UM, BUT IF NOT, WE'LL HAVE A PRETTY SOLID PRODUCT, WE'LL HAVE A SOLID PROCESS IN THE MEANTIME.
SO THIS WAS JUST TO START THE CONVERSATION I CAN.
UM, UM, WHATEVER WE DETERMINED TONIGHT, I CAN PUT DOWN IN WRITING, I CAN BREAK DOWN THE SUB AREAS, UM, PUT THEM ON A MAP AND SEND IT OUT WITH THE CHECKLIST AND WE CAN BE ON OUR WAY TO CREATE PUBLIC HERE AGAIN, THE PROGRAM GOING IF, UM, FROM TODAY, AND IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE SIX WEEKS TO EIGHT WEEKS TO BE LIVE IF WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS NOW.
NUMBER FIVE, ARE YOU SPEAKING OF THE ACTUAL HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE RESIDING IN THEIR PROPERTIES? CORRECT.
ON THE PROPERTY LIVE IN THE PROPERTY OWNER, OWNER OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THAT LIVE IN THE PROPERTY.
UM, TAKE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE SOME ENTERPRISE AND YOU HAVE TWO OF THOSE PERSONS THAT ARE, THAT WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO, LET'S SAY THAT THE PROPERTY HAS FAILED.
THREE OF THEM ARE OUT OF STATE.
THE TWO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART IN THE PROGRAM AND WOULD LIKE TO COME AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE AREAS.
WOULD THAT BE DOABLE? THEY LIVE IN THE HOUSE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.
DO THEY ACTUALLY LIVE IN, LET'S DO SOME, THEY DO IT.
LET'S JUST SAY THEY'RE FIVE HEIRS THAT OWN THE PROPERTY EQUAL UNDIVIDED.
WELL, THEY HAVE TWO SIBLINGS THAT ACTUALLY LIVE THERE BECAUSE ARE LOCAL, RIGHT? AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE LOW INCOME.
AND LET'S JUST SAY THE THREE AIRS THAT ARE NOT PART OF SOCIETY ARE NOT LOW INCOME.
THAT'S SOMETHING TO GET AN ANSWER TO
I MEAN, THEY ARE OWNERS AND LIVING THERE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD STILL WORK.
UM, KEVIN, I'M NOT SURE IF I, I MEAN, I CAN CHECK INTO THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE'VE HAD THAT SPECIFIC SITUATION, UM, THE RESET, ANY, ANY, REMEMBER, ANYTHING LIKE THAT EVER HAPPENED TWICE.
THERE ARE SOME REAL LIFE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT IN THAT AREA.
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A HUNDRED APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY STRICT.SO IF THERE IS FIVE AND THERE'S ONE THAT DOESN'T FALL INTO THAT LOW AND CLASSIFICATION, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED.
I WOULD SAY THREE DON'T FALL ON ME BECAUSE THEY DON'T.
WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE STATE, THEY'RE UP NORTH.
AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE WORK OUT WITH.
HEY, THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR YOU HEIRS, WHO MIGHT WANT TO DOUBLE DIVEST YOUR INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY SO YOU CAN GET IT FIXED.
AND THAT'S UP TO THEM, HONESTLY.
I MEAN, IF SOMEONE DOES HAVE THE MEANS TO FIX A PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN IT, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IT UP.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUM CODE IS NOT A PALACE AND M CODE IS RUNNING WATER.
AND IT WAS LIKE PULLING TEETH.
NOT LIKE WE WOULD ALL DAY, BUT AGAIN, THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE WHERE, AND WE WOULD SUSPEND THAT.
I NEED TO EXPECT WHILE WE'VE WORKED OUT ANY, ANY PENALTIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS REAL LIFE SITUATIONS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
WELL, JEFF, MY REAL LIFE SITUATION IN PLACES THAT I HAVE ENCOUNTERED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO A HOME AND SPEAKING TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND IT WAS OBVIOUS TO THE HOMELESS.
I MEAN, AS SOON AS I SAW IT, I WALKED IN THE DOOR.
I MEAN, ELECTRIC, EVERYTHING WAS TERRIBLE.
AND I SAID, I NEED TO GET AN INSPECTOR.
YOU'RE MORE, YOU SHOULDN'T LIVE LIKE THIS.
AND THE POOR WOMAN WENT OFF TO PIECES AND SAID, PLEASE DON'T.
HE GOES, I'LL HAVE NO PLACE TO LIVE.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN THAT HOW WOULD WE HANDLE THAT SITUATION? BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS IT DIDN'T LOOK SAFE.
IT, IT, IT REALLY, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT WHERE DOES THAT PERSON GO? AND NO I'M CONCERNED FOR THAT.
THAT WAS, WE'VE ALWAYS BROUGHT THAT UP.
AND THEN THEY'LL SAY, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO PLACE THOSE PERSONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVING THERE.
ALSO THE LANDLORD, THE LANDLORD MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ADD IT, BUT EITHER WAY, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
AND I WOULD THINK THOUGH, TO YOUR POINT, EXPENDABLE NUMBER FIVE IS GOING TO BE ATTEMPTING TO CATCH THAT WHILE OBVIOUSLY THE SITUATION WOULD STILL NOT BE SAFE, THAT WOULD SET THEM UP IN A SITUATION TO WHERE THEY'RE ON THE PATH TOWARDS GETTING SOME HELP TO DO IT.
DID YOU HAVE MAYBE A COMMENT THAT WE WOULDN'T BE GOING? A LOT OF THEM ARE CONTINUING TO THAT PROCESS WITH HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO IS OWNER OCCUPIED AND RENTER? YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T.
SO WE DO KNOW THAT 79% OF THE PROPERTY, WELL, THIS REALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS IT BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO GO IN THE LANDLORDS, NOT PROPERTY.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THE OWNER AND THEN PAYING TAXES.
AND THE THIRD IS SAYING THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY THAT THEY'RE THERE.
NOT NECESSARILY MY PERSONAL PAYING TAXES COULD HAVE RENTED THEIR MAILING ADDRESS.
JUST THE SHAME FOR THEIR TAX BILL WAS THE SAME RESIDENCE.
THERE
ONE OF THE FEW PUBLIC CONDEMNATION PROCESSES THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE APPEALS PROCESS COMBINATION, THIS ISN'T PUBLIC CONDEMNATION.
IT'S THE SAME THING WHEN YOU HAVE, BUT STARKLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT NOW PROPERTY WE'RE NOT CONDEMNING PROPERTY.
SO THE WORST, WHAT'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
SO I'M A PRODUCT AS A HOMEOWNER THAT THE END PRODUCT IS THE HOUSE.
THAT MEANS NO MORE HOUSING CODE THAT WE DON'T OWN.
WHOEVER OWNS IT, OWNS IT, IT MEETS HIM IN THE HOUSING CODE.
SO IF IT FAILS TO MEET THE MINIMUM HOUSING CODE
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AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED THEN, OKAY.SO IT DOESN'T MEAN PROPERLY NOTIFIED.
UM, AND WE'RE SCHEDULING AND INTERIOR AND INSIDE OF THE SPECTRUM, RIGHT FROM THERE, WE'LL HAVE A LIST OF PUNCH LISTS FROM THE EXTERIOR OF DEFICIENCIES, INTERIOR DEFICIENCIES.
AND THAT POINT, THERE WAS A MEETING SET UP, UM, BETWEEN THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL IN ORLANDO, UM, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WHERE YOU GO THROUGH THE LIST, THESE ARE THE THINGS DO YOU FILL IN THE OFFICIAL, LAYS IT OUT.
THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS YOU NEED TO DO TO MEET MENTAL HOUSING REQUIREMENT.
IN THAT ORDER OF THE CHIEF BILL INSPECTOR, WHICH GETS FILED WITH THE CLERK WITH THE COUNTY, THAT IT, UM, IT OUTLINES THE TIME FRAME FOR IT TO HAPPEN.
IF THOSE REPAIRS DID NOT HAPPEN IN THE TIMEFRAME, THEN, THEN THE NEXT STEP IS DUMB, ULTIMATELY DUMB WISH.
I MEAN, I HAVE ORDERS THAT ARE 15 YEARS OLD THAT ARE STILL ACTIVE, THAT I'M STILL, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK WITH.
THE PROPERTY HAS CHANGED OWNERS THREE TIMES, FOUR TIMES.
SO WHERE WE GET A NEW OWNER AND WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THE SAME, OR WE PUT THEM AWAY AT ANY TIME, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.
BUT THE END RESULT IS IF YOU DON'T MEET THE RULES OF MINIMAL HOUSING, THE HOUSE GETS DEMOLISHED.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT PROCESS THEY'RE SO MEAN.
SO TAXING ON THE PROPERTY, IT GETS ATTACHED TO THE TAX BILL AND THE COMING TAX YEAR.
AND IT'S EITHER PAID OR IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, IT KEEPS YOU, IT GOES TO A TAX AUCTION AUCTION OF PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY IN THE AUCTION.
THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE CITY COUNTY.
BUT AGAIN, I HADN'T BOTHERED IN, THERE WAS A LOW-INCOME ITEM, FIVE UMBRELLA, EVERY PERSON WHO IS LOW MOD IN ALMOST THEIR PROPERTY, THERE WILL BE FINE.
SO JUST TO UNPACK THAT A LITTLE BIT, THERE'LL BE FINE.
WHAT IS THE CITY'S CDBG ALLOCATION PER YEAR? AND IS THAT NUMBER SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHO MENUS? UH, SO WE GET APPROXIMATELY 250,000, IS THAT RIGHT? AND, UM, AS THEY COME, WE WOULD BUDGET THE MONEY.
SO THEY WERE, LIKE I SAID, THEY WON'T BE A LACK, SO IT'LL BE 30, 40, $50,000, WHATEVER.
UM, WE WOULD AMEND THE PROGRAM IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR A BUDGET YEAR, WE'VE AMENDED TO DO THAT PROJECT.
IF WE KNOW STUFF'S COMING UP, WE WOULD CREATE THE FUTURE BUDGET YEAR BUDGET.
WE DO A BUDGET EVERY YEAR, YOUR FIVE-YEAR PLAN IN ONE YEAR INDIVIDUAL ACTION PLANS.
THEN WE WOULD JUST PUT THAT IN THE NEXT BUDGET.
SO THERE'S A TIMEFRAME IN THE MIDDLE.
DO YOU SHOP WHILE THAT PROCESS IS WORKING? NO FURTHER PENALTY OR ANYTHING? SO YOU ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE YOU'RE ONCE YOU'RE IDENTIFIED AS BEING IN LINE FOR THOSE FUNDS, GIVE ME ANYTHING DETRIMENTAL OR STOPS AT THAT POINT.
NOW I WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO SEE THAT, MAYBE SPELL IT OUT.
UM, JUST, JUST REMOVE ANY DOUBT WITH THAT ALSO.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO MAKE A VISUAL INSPECTION WHEN IT'S BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC? ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, THAT'S THE, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT FOR ANOTHER KID, BUT I'M NOT EVER LIVING.
SO ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WEBSITE UNDER THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONS WEBSITE, CAN WE PUBLISH THOSE DOCUMENTS SO THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN RESEARCH FOR THEMSELVES AND HAVE EASY ACCESS TO WHAT STANDARDS DO WE NEED TO VOTE AS TO THE TIME FRAME? I DON'T NEED TO VOTE, BUT IF EVERYONE AGREES, THAT'S FINE.
YOU WANT TO VOTE? GO RIGHT AHEAD.
PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, I WASN'T ANTICIPATING ANY OTHER THOUGHTS.
THIS IS THE PROCESS YOU SEE THE HANDS ON
AND IT WON'T BE OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE CBG MONEY CAN'T GO INTO BEFORE YOU BUY IT.
WE HAD MONEY TO GO INTO THE FOOT BUTTON.
WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO RAISE IT.
WELL, THAT'S THE CONCEPT OF REHABBING
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HAVING PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO WHEN THEY NEEDS TO BE ADDED FLOOD PLAN.I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MORAL THING TO DO IS KEEP PEOPLE FROM HAVING POTENTIAL FLOODING.
SO I WOULD LIKE, I THINK THAT WE ALL DO IN THAT DELINEATION PROCESS, UH, HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRIORIZE THAT AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE INSPECTION PROCESS, UM, ACCORDING TO IT, WHEN YOU READ ALL THIS STUFF THAT YOU'VE SENT US THERE BE A PERIODICAL PROCESS THAT'S FAIR AND CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO IF YOU STARTED THAT EVERY ONE AND WORK YOUR WAY ON THE 12TH, THEN COME ALL BACKGROUND STAR ON ONE AGAIN, THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO MONTHS LATER, OR WHATEVER THAT TIME PERIOD.
CAN YOU, UM, SAY THAT AGAIN? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, PRIORITIZE ALL OUR EFFORTS OUTSIDE THE FLOOD, PLAIN.
SO IF YOU'RE IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, WE'RE NOT INSPECTING NO, WE, WE, WE DO GO WITH, BUT THEY'RE ALL GOING TO MAKE OUR IMPACT AND TO HAVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN OUT OF THE FLOOD, PLAIN SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS ON, ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I THINK THAT'S CONSENT OF THE HOUSING GROUP ANYHOW, AND WE WORK OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD PLAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S A LIVABLE CONDITION AND THE MONEY THAT WE'RE INVESTING TO REHAB AND MAKE A BETTER HOUSE.
ISN'T GOING TO GET DESTROYED BY THE NEXT FLOOD THAT COMES THROUGH.
NO, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THE INSPECTION PROCESS IN GENERAL OR SOLELY THROUGH THE CB CDBG MONEY GOING BACK AND INSPECTION PROCESS.
NUMBER ONE, STRICTLY LOOKING AT BULLET POINT NUMBER ONE ON THERE, BUT HE SUGGESTED WE SUBDIVIDED THE AREAS TO FOCUS INSPECTION EFFORTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT TO FOCUS THEM, WE PRIORIZE THEM IN A MANNER THAT, THAT GIVES US THE RESULTS THAT WE WANT.
ONE OF THE 12 SUB AREAS WOULD BE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD.
AND PRIORITY 12 WOULD BE THE AREAS WHEN AREA INSIDE OF ELEVATION TWO.
SO SUPPOSE THE WORST HOUSES TOO, BY THE WAY.
BUT THEN, I MEAN, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE NOTIFICATION WITH A REGISTERED LEVERAGE REQUIRED BY THESE STATUTES AND WITHIN SEVEN TO 10 DAYS.
SO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS IN HERE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH TO COMPLY WITH THE STATUTE, ACCORDING TO THE UFC.
I MEAN, NOT ON ANYTHING ON THE UFC, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M,
WE, A LOT OF THAT, WHAT YOU READ, NOT A FIVE BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE REDEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE NOT THE LIGHTED AREA ALL THE WAY.
I THINK AT LEAST WHAT I THINK AS FAR AS NOTIFICATION AND OPPORTUNITIES, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE PEOPLE AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE.
SO I WOULD SAY IF THE RANGE IS SEVEN TO 10, I WOULD TEND TOWARDS 10.
I JUST NUMBERS OUT TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS TO SAY THAT WE CAN DO A DIFFERENT, OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO GOOD EXPLANATION.
NOW MY QUESTION ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, CAN CONSIDERING THE WORLD, IS THERE A WAY TO DO A SOCIALLY DISTANCE? WHAT PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, AS OPPOSED TO THE MOMENT SERVICE AND SERVICE? CAN WE DO THAT? THE BOARD OF ALL OF THE MEETING,
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SUGGESTION.
AND WE CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT AND JUST PULL IT OUTSIDE OF OUR REGULAR MEETING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK HAVING, HAVING THE MEETING AND THE COMMUNITY WILL RUN ITSELF
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TO GREATER PARTICIPATION FROM THE PEOPLE THAT MAY BE IMPACTED.WE SHOULD CERTAINLY MAKE EFFORTS TO TRY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.
IT'S NOT THAT I HAVE AN ANSWER TO SABRINA'S CONCERN.
YOU DON'T WANT TO BE WHO WOULD BE DISPLACED.
WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S SO BAD AFTER INSPECTION THAT WELL, THE PERSON JUST SAYS GET OUT.
BUT AGAIN, THIS CONVERSATION IS SOLELY FOCUSED ON RESIDENTS THAT OWN THE PROPERTY, EVERY HOUSE, THE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM TO ADDRESS LOW INCOME PROPERTY OWNERS AND HOW THEY CAN, HOW THEY CAN MEET MENTAL HOUSING, LOW INCOME PROPERTY OWNERS, TELEMATE FOR OUR CDBG REHAB PROGRAM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE PUT A HANDFUL OF, WE PUT PLENTY THROUGH THAT PROCESS ALREADY.
THAT IS A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS IN THEIR HOME AND THEY'RE LOW INCOME.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT ADDRESSES IT.
DOESN'T ADDRESS THE LOW INCOME RENTER IN A HOME.
WE HAVE, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
WE HAVE NO REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE, UH, IN THE STATUTES.
AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION TO THAT HERE, BUT I'M CONFUSED.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
DO WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE COULD BE A PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS, THAT HAS A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT UP TO MINIMUM STANDARD AND THEN IS COLLECTING BY RENTING IT TO SOMEBODY LIVING IN THERE.
YOU STILL WANT TO INSPECT THAT, BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO SAM'S THAT PERSON JUST CAN'T QUALIFY TO GET THE CDP.
BUT WHEN STILL WANTING TO GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROCESS IS CORRECT.
YOU ONLY HAVE A MINIMUM HAT, RIGHT? YES.
NOW, IF A LOW-INCOME PERSON OWNS THE HOME RENTING TO A LOW INCOME PERSON, THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK OUT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENS VERY OFTEN.
SO NOW I, THE QUESTION, THE CONCERN IS WHAT I THINK WAS DISTRESSING YOU.
IS IT A RENTER? A LANDLORD IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE REQUIRED REPAIRS TO MAKE IT MINIMUM, TO MEET MINIMUM HILTON STANDARDS.
AND THEY'RE ANGRY AT THEIR TENANT, OR THEY JUST SAY, WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO LIVE NOW.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HAVE ALTERNATE HOUSING FOR THAT PERSON.
BUT IT STILL FALLS BACK ON THE LANDLORD.
IT'S THE PROPERTY, NOT THE PERSON WHO IS BEING DISPLACED OR ACT, BUT THE PERSON THAT WILL BE VISIBLE PERSON CRYING IN FRONT OF THE ALDERMAN WILL NOT BE A LANDLORD.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT PULLS AT THE HEARTSTRINGS.
AND YOU FEEL LIKE, WELL, I CAN'T MOVE THIS PERSON CRAZY.
WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WHERE I AM STILL PUTTING UP WITH THEIR OKAY, BECAUSE THEIR RENT IS 200 AND $300 A MONTH SERIOUSLY.
AND I CAN'T AFFORD ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THEY'RE AFRAID THAT IF THEY DO GO SOMEPLACE, THAT'S FIXED UP IN DC, IT'S GOING TO COST THEM SIX OR $700 A MONTH AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
SO HOW WOULD WE CATEGORIZE THOSE LOW-HANGING FRUIT, SO TO SPEAK, WHICH ARE ALL THE LANDLORDS THAT HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT UP TO MIDDLE CODE THAT ARE NOT OCCUPIED.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE EASIEST GAME OR ON THE MIDDLE LANE.
SO WHY NOT ATTACK DOWNSIDE? I'M SORRY.
WHY NOT JEFFERY LET'S ADDRESS SOMETHING AS SUCH AND MAYBE SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM BEING ADDRESSED COULD POSSIBLY AID IN THE TEMPORARY HOUSING SITUATION.
AS WE ARE TRYING TO PUT IN PLACE, THOSE PERSONS THAT HAVE BEEN DISPLACED BECAUSE OF WORK THAT'S GOING ON.
LET ME, LET ME WEIGH IN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT VACANT RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT AREN'T OCCUPIED, THAT ARE NOT AT THE MIDDLE OF THE CODE.
AND, AND WE'VE LOOKED AT, WE'VE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF IT AND THE ONES THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT FAR, THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE CAN DO THE REHABBING WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO IN, UH, AND EVER FULFILL THE OTHER PART OF OUR PLAN, WHICH IS GENERATING CASH FLOW.
SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO REHAB ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES.
THEY ARE, THE ONES WE'VE BEEN IN ARE
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BETTER STUDENT FOR DEMOLITION THAN THEY ARE FOR THE COST OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REHAB THEM.I'VE BEEN AT A COUPLE OF THOSE PROPERTIES WITH YOU, AND I'VE EVEN FOLLOWED BEHIND YOU AS YOU ALL LEFT A COUPLE OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO I COULD HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND OF COURSE, I'LL HEAR IT BEFORE YOU HEAR IT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA ALSO, AND HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT EVEN MAY HAVE A PUSH-DOWN ORDER ON IT, BUT MAY NOT BE IN SUCH A BAD SHAPE.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DEGREE IN THIS OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BAD AND JUST WORSE.
WELL, BUT, BUT THE, THE
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE TWO TEMPORARY HOMES, AT LEAST TWO IN THAT AREA.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REHABBING AND DISPLACING FAMILIES, THE POSSIBILITY OF THE POSSIBILITY.
BUT I MEAN, THINKING ABOUT IT, THERE IS A DECENT LUCK WITH IT.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE A PERCENTAGE THAT IF WE START GOING DOWN THE STREETS AND LOOKING AT ALL THE HOUSES THAT JUST ON THEIR FACE, LOOK LIKE THIS IS A PROBLEM.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE COMING IN 70.
SOME ODD PERCENT OF THE HOMES ARE NOT ON OCCUPIED.
WE'RE GOING TO RUN ACROSS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT LOW INCOME RENTERS LIVING IN BLACK BETTER HOUSING.
AND IF THESE OWNERS WERE PRUDENT OR KNOWLEDGEABLE, THEY WOULDN'T, IF THESE CONDITIONS WOULD MAKE THIS.
SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF DISPLACEMENT IS SIGNIFICANT.
AND JUST THINKING THIS THROUGH IMPLEMENTING THIS PROGRAM, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW THE TRAIN OFF THE TRAIN AT ALL, BUT IMPLEMENTING A PROGRAM THAT WE KNOW IS SIGNIFICANTLY FORESEEABLE, THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DISPLACED AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT THEM.
IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION TO PUT THIS COMMUNITY.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR AWHILE.
SO GIVEN, UM, GIVEN BACK, BECAUSE WE SAID THAT YOU WANTED THIS OFF, OVER HERE, BUT NOW THAT IT'S YOUR ABLE, WE DO ON THE SAY, YOU KNOW, AFTER OUR CONVERSATION HERE.
SO MY QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION IS, DO YOU WANT TO TAPE IT? DO YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND BE MORE DISCUSSING SOME MORE, YOU WANT TO DO SOME MORE REFOCUS ON THE RECEIVING, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, YEAH.
UM, IS THERE A WAY TO AT LEAST REGISTER THESE PROPERTIES SO WE KNOW WHO OWNS THEM? YEAH.
TO ME THAT I WOULD RATHER GET AN INVENTORY OF KNOWING WHO OWNS THEM AND WHERE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS NOT GOING INSIDE AND NOT DO IT.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN REALLY THEN GET A HANDLE ON THIS IS, THIS IS AN ISSUE.
AND MAYBE SEE THAT, THAT PROP BY REGISTERING IT, THIS PROPERTY OWNER HAS SIX THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY OR A DOZEN.
AND WE SEE THAT THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME SHAPE.
THAT'S WHERE MAYBE WE COULD PUT A PROGRAM THAT I DON'T KNOW.
I WANT TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHO, BY NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, HAVE TO LIVE HERE UNTIL WE CAN GET A, A STOCK OF ADEQUATE HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE IN ON THAT IS SUBSIDIZED IN SOME WAY THAT THEY CAN MOVE INTO PERSONALLY, I AM LEAST SYMPATHETIC TO THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT I WAS SPEAKING OF.
AND THAT WAS WHY I WAS SAYING THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED SOMETHING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
EVEN IF IT'S NOT FOR US TO REHAB THE HOUSE, THEN WE PUT THE MIDDLE ON HOUSING, COLD ON STEROIDS, SO TO SPEAK.
AND WE FAST TRACK IT THROUGH THOSE THAT HAVE A, A RECORD OF NOT BRINGING COME COMPLYING IN, UH, BRINGING THEIR WHOLE PROPERTIES UP TO CODE AND THEIR HABITUAL OFFENDERS, BECAUSE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OF THOSE BECAUSE IT'S EMPTY.
I THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE AS THE FIRST STEP MAKES IT EASY FOR US TO START SHOWING SOME PROGRESS IN THE NAVY COMMISSIONERS.
JEFF, I SEE YOUR 10 TO 12 SUBMARINES UP THERE.
CAN THAT BE CLASSIFICATIONS OR IDENTIFIED BY, OR THEY HAVE TO BE LIKE A FOOTPRINT HERE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT, TO ME IN MY MIND, IT WAS A FOOT BACK HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET.
WELL, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A WAY TO KIND OF INTEGRATE WHAT ROBBIE'S TALKING ABOUT DOING AS FAR, AS FAR AS THE NOSE ON A FIRST INITIAL SURVEY OF CONDITION, BUT THEN ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT KIND OF TAKING THAT NEXT STEP.
AND HE WAS KIND OF FILLING IN MY KIDS, POINTING TO THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON IN THE WORLD.
MAYBE THE ONES THAT SOMEONE IS CURRENTLY LIVING IN RIGHT NOW THAT DON'T MEET STANDARD.
MAYBE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT IF WE IDENTIFY WHO'S THERE, HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS AND POINT OUT TO
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A LANDLORD.THAT'S GOT SIX PROPERTIES THAT ARE SUBSTANDARD.
WE HAVE THAT CONTEXT THAT WE POINTED OUT.
NOW WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE TEETH RIGHT NOW TO COME IN AND DO SOME OF IT.
BUT MAYBE THAT FACILITATES A CONVERSATION WHERE THE HOUSES THAT KIP AND I ARE WALKING AREN'T HOUSES HAVE BEEN ABANDONED AND EMPTY FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
THERE'S SOME THAT ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO SANDRA.
SO I'M WONDERING MAYBE THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE DOOR AND GET THEM SOME PROPERTIES THAT REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF LIFT REHAB WORK.
I MEAN, AS OPPOSED TO SPENDING 70 TO GET A HOUSE LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW UP TO STANDARD.
IF YOU CAN FIND ONE THAT YOU GOT TO SPEND 20 OR 30 ON, THEN THAT'S HARD WORK, BUT IT'S EFFICIENT.
YOU GET THEM ALL BACK IN THERE QUICKLY.
BUT YEAH, I GOT THAT LOOK BECAUSE I GET CONFUSED ABOUT RESIDENT HOMEOWNER VERSUS LANDLORD MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SPLIT THAT WE ARE CROSSING BACK AND FORTH IN THAT PROCESS.
BECAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING OUT OF THIS PROCESS IS THAT IF WE IMPLEMENTED THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A LIST OF HOUSES THAT ARE SUBSTANDARD.
AND THEN, THEN AT THAT POINT, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRIORIZE AND HELP THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE RESIDENTS, RESIDENT OWNERS THROUGH STEP NUMBER FIVE.
BUT THEN WE HAVE THE LIST OF ALL THE OTHER BAD APPLES THAT WE CAN KIND OF WORK ON.
BUT I MEAN, WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO START HELPING THE RESIDENT OWNERS IN THERE WHEN YOU, JEFF AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU RIDE THROUGH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS OVER THERE AND YOU'D PICK OUT THE HOUSES THAT ARE RESIDENT, THAT DRONE OWNER OCCUPIED.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE IT OUT.
AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE, WE HAVE A WAY TO HELP THEM, RIGHT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT BALL ROLLING, THAT WE COULD GET THEM ENROLLED IN THE CB CDBG PROGRAM WITH THE POTENTIAL OF HELPING THEM OUT.
THOSE THAT ACTUALLY ARE, ARE OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES.
AND THEN, THEN THE BIG PROBLEM IS, IS THE RENTAL PROPERTIES.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE GENERALLY ENDED UP WITH HAVING THE RELOCATION ISSUE.
HE SAYS, WITH WHAT I'M HEARING IS IF WE IDENTIFY A NON-COMPLIANT HOME, BUT IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED, WE'RE GOING TO PUT HER INTO THE CPG PROGRAM TO HELP THEM.
AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HARASS THEM.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PENALIZE THEM OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM THAT POINT FORWARD BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE PROGRAM.
WHAT I'M HEARING EVERYBODY SAY, I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS WE FEEL COMFORTABLE.
WE STAND BY THE IDEA OF THE PROGRAM.
WE FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD, BUT, AND PRIORITIZING HOW THE PROGRAM IS IMPLEMENTED.
WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE ONE COMMISSIONER MORGAN'S POINT.
THEY NON-OWNER OCCUPIED UNOCCUPIED WOODLANDS THAT DO NOT MEET MINIMUM STANDARDS, OR WE SUSPECT OF NOT MEETING STANDARDS AND ALSO OWNER OCCUPIED, LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
IS THAT RIGHT? AND THEN WORKING ON EVERYTHING ELSE AND WE'RE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE OTHER TWO, BECAUSE THEY MAY CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TENANTS IN SUBSTANDARD HOUSING THAT THEY DON'T WAS THAT CONFUSING TO THEM? NO, I THINK WE WERE KIND OF GOING DOWN THE SAME PATH THAT I WAS WHENEVER I ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT SUB AREAS VERSUS DIFFERENT IDENTIFICATIONS, THE PROJECT ALMOST STEPS ONE THROUGH FOUR AFFECT THE ENTIRE AREA AND WHATEVER TIME WE CAN GET TO THEM.
AFTER FOUR, I'M ENVISIONING A DECISION TREE OF SORTS THAT SAYS UNOCCUPIED OCCUPIED WITH RENTER OCCUPIED WITH HOMEOWNER.
THEN YOU HAVE A PATH THAT YOU CARRY FORWARD.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHERE YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE OVER HERE, THEY LIVE IN THE PROPERTIES TO GET THEM ROLLING IN SVB, DO PROGRAM.
THEN THE ONES THAT ARE UNOCCUPIED, THOSE ARE, THAT ARE BEING TARGETED JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY.
SET FIVE IS TURNS INTO, HEY, WE START THE PROCESS OF SAYING, WE NEED TO, YOU NEED TO EITHER FIX THIS OR WE'RE GOING TO GET IT OUT OF YOUR HANDS.
STEP FIVE FOR THE, THE FOLKS THAT ARE FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES, WE NEED TO DEVELOP TO AUTOMATE MINGLES POINT A PROCESS OR HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS.
YOU'VE GOT TO GET THINGS SMOOTHED ALONG IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAMMER SOMEONE INDIRECTLY BY VIRTUE OF HITTING THE LEVEL OF THE BOARD.
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POINT, I THINK WE CAN DO STEP OUT FOR THE VACANT PLACES INSTEAD OF FIVE FOR THE OWNER OCCUPIED WHILE WE'RE WORKING OUT STEP FOUR, WHEN YOU STEP OUT FOR THE LANDLORD PLACES, THIS IS THE FINAL THING I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS 79% OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES.
I'VE SAT HERE AND I'VE STRUGGLED TO TRY TO THINK OF FIVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE HOME OWNER PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT UP TO CODE.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOU THREE HELP ME BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE IN THE STREET WITH ME, WELL WITH ME AND WITHOUT ME SEARCH YOUR MINDS ON FIVE THAT ARE HOME OWNERSHIP THAT ARE NOT UP TO CODE BECAUSE GENERALLY IF THEY'RE HOME OWNERS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE UP TO CODE BECAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING SOMETHING THAT FOLLOWED IT FROM SOMEWHERE TO PUT IT BACK INTO WHAT THEY OWN.
IT'S THE REAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE CAUSING THE ISSUE.
IF IT'S HOME OWNERSHIP, THEY'RE GOING TO BE UP TO MINIMUM CODE.
I'M SITTING HERE AND THERE ONLY A COUPLE OF THEM THAT I CAN THINK OF.
AND AT LEAST ONE OUT OF THE THREE THAT I'M THINKING OF THE PERSON WHO OWNS IT, MAYBE LOW INCOME, THEY DON'T EVEN LIVE IN.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THOSE TYPES OF PROPERTIES THERE.
UM, SO DO WE GO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY I'M CATEGORIZING AND PRIORITIZING IS DEPTH OF SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE TABLED.
I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN EVEN GET A LIST OF THAT INFORMATION OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT MAY BE OTHER BUILDING CODE? WE CAN GET THE LIST OF HOMEOWNERS.
YOU HAVE THAT I'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE DOCS AND WE CAN DRIVE FIVE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
I CAN'T EVEN, EVEN THE ONES I'M THINKING OF THAT MAY.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF ISSUES, HONESTLY, SCREENS, MAYBE DIGITAL.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN IN GOOD CONSCIENCE MOVE FORWARD, IMPLEMENTING A PROGRAM WITHOUT I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, IMPLEMENTING CERTAIN PARTS OF THE PROGRAM.
BUT IMPLEMENTING THE, THE FULL EXTENT OF THE PROGRAM WITHOUT A RELOCATION OPTION, I CAN'T DO THAT.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO KNOW INFORMATION.
YOU CAN GO BACK HERE AND I DO NOT KNOW UM, HE GOES TO ROB AND SAID, LET'S GO FORWARD AND PRIORITIZE.
JAMIE JUST SAID, LET'S GO FORWARD AND LET'S PRIORITIZE AND LET'S WORK ON THE PRIORITIES FIRST.
LET'S WORK ON THE PRIORITIES FIRST AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE EVEN TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THE PORTION, EVEN THOUGH WE KILL IT TECHNICALLY, BUT FROM A STRATEGIC PRIORITY STANDPOINT, NOT ACTIVELY WORKING TOWARDS THE NON OWNER OCCUPIED.
SO WE WON'T HAVE A REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN INSPECTION PROTOCOL.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD A PUBLIC CAMERA AND WIN BECAUSE IF WE DO THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE THE PROGRAM IN PLACE.
DO YOU HAVE A CAMP PROGRAM BE THAT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL, NOT OCCUPIED PROPERTIES AND REGISTER THOSE.
AND THEN STEP TWO IS WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO REGISTER, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNER, UH, OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTIES AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ON STEP, WHATEVER, WHEN YOU GET TO THE RENTALS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE PEOPLE? YEAH.
THE RENTAL SEAT, THE RENTAL SIDE OF IT.
WE HAVE A PROGRAM AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROGRAM.
YOU CAN, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THESE, IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT NOW I UNDERSTAND.
BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THESE PHONES THAT ARE VACANT MINIMUM HOUSE.
WITHOUT THIS, WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT THIS.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, WILL YOU ADDRESS THOSE? IS IT A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THOSE PEOPLE TO EITHER BRING THEM UP SO THEY CAN READ THEM AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEM AFFORDABLE BY HAVING SOME FUNDS OR, OR SOMETHING AVAILABLE THAT THEY CAN START RENTING THEM.
THAT CAN MOVE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN REALLY BAD PLACES OVER THERE, OR POTENTIALLY SELL THEM TO SOMEBODY WHO WOULD FIX IT UP AND DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, WOULD WE BE WRONG IN IDENTIFYING PROPERTY, BY PROPERTY OF WHO'S IN WHAT CATEGORY? AND THEN US KNOWING WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS IT RELATES TO WHO WE'RE DEALING WITH AND THEN ADDRESSING IT AS SUCH, AND THEN GOING BACK TWEAKING WHAT WE HAVE TO TWEAK WITH THE PROGRAM.
BUT YET STILL WE KNOW WHO WE'RE GOING TO
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ADDRESS AND IN WHAT CATEGORY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THEM OR WHAT CATEGORY THAT THEY FIT IN.IT'S THE STEEL SUGGESTION QUESTION.
I THINK JEFF'S POINT IS WE CAN HAVE ALL THE STRATEGY ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
BUT IF WE CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS SUBSET OF PEOPLE, WHICH IS A LARGE SUBSET WILL KIND OF FALL OFF.
SO WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT WE FIGURED OUT? THE RELOCATION PLANNING THAT, OH, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
NOW I DON'T KNOW, TIME FRAME TO GET THIS DONE, WHERE IT'S IN OUR, IT'S IN OUR PLAN AND WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A PLAN.
SO WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION RIGHT ALONG THOSE LINES.
WHAT ADDITIONAL BENEFIT ACCRUES TO US BY HAVING THIS PROGRAM IN PLACE? BECAUSE YOU'VE SAID THAT MOST OF WHAT'S, THERE IS STUFF THAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS, YOU'RE JUST KIND OF CODIFYING IT FOR US SPECIFICALLY.
SO, SO WHAT, WHAT ADDITIONAL LEVERAGE, WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE WORD IS, IS APPROVED BY HAVING THAT PUBLIC, HEARING MORE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE CAN NOW OFFICIALLY SAY THE REBUILD COMMISSION HAS A DOCUMENTED NO REASONABLE CAUSE OR WHY.
SO IT'S A LEGAL SHELTER TO GO AND HANDLE MINIMUM HOUSING ISSUE.
SO ADDITIONAL COVERAGE SHOULD SOMEONE THAT KEEPS YOU HONEST AND OUT OF THE WAY STATUTES, THE MENTAL HOUSING OFFICER COULD KNOCK ON ANYBODY'S DOOR AND SAY, I'M COMING IN.
THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, WE COULDN'T DO THAT WITH WE WEREN'T IN REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
WE ARE, THERE'S JUST EXTRA TEETH TO THE MENTAL HOUSING PROCESS FOR THE DISCUSSION, ANY OTHER SO TABLE, UM, PICKING ON ME STUFF, ALL THAT, BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTIVE EFFORT TO CHANGE A COMMUNITY.
COULD FOLKS IN THIS GROUP AT THE RISK OF VOLUNTEERING FOR SOMETHING, UM, COULD THE FOLKS IN THIS GROUP BE TRAINED TO ESSENTIALLY DO STEP ONE, UH, SORRY.
ACTUALLY STEP TWO IN SUCH A WAY.
SO IF THEY GIVE YOU A QUOTE, NOW YOU'D HAVE TO BE A, UH, ON PATH TO BE A BUILDING INSPECTOR ONE.
SEE IF WE CAN GIVE YOU PRELIMINARY LIST JUST FROM THE DROPBOX PERSPECTIVE WAS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.
ACTUALLY NOTICE THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR A MINIMUM HOUSING OFFICER TO BE A BUILDING INSPECTOR, BUT TO GO IN AND ASSESS A BUILDING, UM, AS A DIRECTOR, I REQUIRED THEM TO NOT GO INSIDE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DROP-OFF WELL, IT PROBABLY COULD BE DONE.
THE DRIVE-BYS COULD, COULD BE DONE IF WE HAVE THE CHECKLIST TO DRIVE BY, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S EASY STUFF.
WELL, PART OF THE PROCESS AND MY INSPECTOR'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
OH, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF, OF ROBBIE'S MENTION OF, COULD WE INVENTORY WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH BEFORE WE GO FORWARD WITH THE POINT, BECAUSE IF WE CAN TAKE THAT STEP OUT OF THE EQUATION FOR YOU, THEN IT'S A MATTER OF FINDING OUT WE WON'T PULL IT.
IS THIS THE BELT? WE'VE DONE THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT TWO YEARS AGO.
SO WE HAVE A GOOD BREAKDOWN OF, UH, THE CONDITIONS OF THE HOMES.
ALICE, WAS THAT JUST FOR THE FOCUS AREAS? DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE HOME CONDITIONER? WAS THAT THE ENTIRE PLACE OR THREE OR FOUR YEARS? SO THAT WAS A PREFORM.
PRETTY SURE THAT, UH, UH, PERMISSION TO LEAVE IT FOR A WHILE.
IT GETS ME, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THE PLACE IN WHERE WE NEED TO BE FOR JEFF TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC HEARING, OR ALL OF THEM IN THE FIELD.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AND I HATE, AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK YOU NEED TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
PROPERTY OWNER, OCCUPIED HOMES, IF WE GET TOGETHER.
AND I MEAN, I THINK WE ALREADY
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HAVE THIS.IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT SHORTED THAT WAY.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT BASICALLY WILL BE AROUND PROPERTY.
THAT HAS TO BE THE PROPERTIES.
AND IF WE CAN SEE HOW THE EIGHT ARE DISPERSED COLOR, CODED DOTS, SHARE A MAP, IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP US, I THINK, IN GOING BACK AND IDENTIFYING, UH, NUMBER ONE, THE SUB AREAS THAT WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON THAT AND PULL THAT TOGETHER.
BUT IT STILL DOESN'T ANSWER THE BIG QUESTION, WHICH IS THE RELOCATION OF INDIVIDUALS.
THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THIS MEETING ALSO BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN OUT ACTIVELY PURSUING OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE THOSE TWO OR THREE HOUSES AROUND PROPERTIES.
SO IT CAN ALSO BE AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.
THE HOUSING COULD BE AS IT'S REAL AND THEN COME BACK TO THE POOL COMMITTEE.
SO, UM, CAN WE GET A MOTION TO TABLE THIS AND TOM MIX SIT WITH THAT BEFORE WE LEAVE, WE'LL GET THE MAPS TOGETHER, HOMEOWNER OWNER OCCUPIED AND GET A CONDITION LIST ON THOSE TWO.
I DON'T ANTICIPATE THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT.
MOST OF THEM, I KNOW THE CONDITION OF ANYWAYS, UM, AND VACANT PROPERTY.
SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH UTILITIES TO GET THE GOOD, SOLID, VACANT PROPERTY DATA FROM UTILITIES.
ALL RIGHT, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
YOU CAN PROBABLY HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN IT.
JUST ONE MORE QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL HELP US NEXT TIME.
IF WE PUT THIS IN MOTION, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING MINUTES OF OUR PROGRAM.
YOU THINK WE'RE SAYING THERE'S NO TIMEFRAME.
HOW ABOUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME THAT WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT IT? SO COULD WE TAKE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? AND THERE WERE THE HOUSES THAT WE'VE BEEN, OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES AND THE ORDER THAT WE GAVE THEM SO THAT THERE MAY BE HOUSING STOCK.
BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE LAST STAGE.
I MEAN, ONCE WE GET THIS APPROVED, BUT WE UNDER SOME KIND OF TIMEFRAME THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS AT THIS.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S THIS TIME SCHEDULE IN A PLANET ITSELF BY ITS VERY NATURE.
AND I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD FIRST TIME SHIT, BUT IT'S LIKE THE FIRST FEW YEARS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A HARD AND FAST TIMEFRAME FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
UM, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT YOUR UTILITIES.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU CAN CONFIRM OR DENY THIS, THAT, UM, SOMEBODY CAN LIVE IN A RESIDENCE WITHOUT ELECTRIC, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE RUNNING WATER.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE RUNNING MORE THAN THEY CAN'T LIVE THERE.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE ELECTRIC
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OKAY, SO I'LL TAKE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT.WE'LL HAVE A FUN CONVERSATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S DRIVEN THROUGH THE AREA WITH AN EYE FOR JUNK CARS, BUT GOOD LORD.
THERE IS A, THERE IS, DARE I SAY, A THOUSAND CARS IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, SO WE, WE CONTACTED FOS, UH, RECYCLING AND WE SAID, HEY GUYS, CAN YOU HELP US OUT HERE? AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, THEY WILL TAKE ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO 1000 CARS, NO COST TO ANYBODY INVOLVED.
THEY JUST COME AND TAKE THEM AWAY.
UM, AS MANY AS WE WANT, ALL THEY REQUIRE IS THE VIN NUMBER, SO THEY CAN RUN IT TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, UM, I'M NOT, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD, SHOULD WE DO A KIND OF COMMUNITY WIDE, HEY, GET RID OF YOUR JUNK CAR DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND JUST GET THE WORD OUT, YOUR IMMEDIATE BLITZ.
FILL OUT THIS PIECE OF PAPER, EMAIL IT TO ME, SEND IT TO ME WITH YOUR BIN NUMBER OR NOT JUST CALL ME.
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AND, UH, AND WE'LL ORGANIZE THAT.I CAN SEND THAT TO THE GM OVER THERE AT BOSS.
AND HE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PICK UP AS MANY CARS AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
AND I THINK THAT COULD BE GOOD.
BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH IT AND LOOK FOR, IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY CARS GET
AND YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.
AND SO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE ATTORNEY IN THE ROOM FOR THIS, WHAT, UH, WHAT DO WE NEED OR WHAT KIND OF CONCERN THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT, FIVE CARS CRAMMED IN THE BACK OF TWO HOUSES, JUST WIDE ENOUGH TO GET A CAR PERMISSION AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR US BEING INVOLVED IN IT.
AND FOSTER PULLING OUT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO WHENEVER THAT HOUSE IS GETTING, I MEAN, THAT CAR IS GETTING DRAGGED DOWN IN ECLIPSE, THE CORNER OF A HOUSE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
UM, UH, PERSONALLY TO BEAT THIS BACK.
WELL, I MEAN, THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS.
UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I TALKED TO MY BOSS ABOUT THAT THEY HAVE SOME GENERAL LIABILITY OR SOMETHING.
CONCEPTUALLY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
WE OWN THE CONTINUATION OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WHAT I WORKED ON IS A PAGER FOR THE HOMEOWNERS, RIGHT.
I FEEL A HOMEOWNER LIVE HERE AND HAVE THIS MANY VEHICLES.
HERE'S THE VIN NUMBER AND I GIVE BOSS' PERMISSION TO, UH, TAKE THEM.
AND I WAIVE ALL, I GIVE THEM ALL, WHATEVER LAWYER TERM YOU NEED.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE COULD MOST CERTAINLY.
DO YOU GET US A STACK OF THOSE? WE KNOW, I KNOW WHAT'S ABANDONED.
WHAT'S NOT, IT'S GOT AN ABANDONED LOOK TO IT, BUT I WILL NOT BE PROVIDING ANY VIN NUMBERS.
I MEAN, I WILL PASS THEM OUT TO, TO THE HOMEOWNERS OR TO THE RAILS.
AND AGAIN, THE OTHER END OF THAT IS HERE'S YOUR GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD FOLKS, BECAUSE IT'S COMING UP BEHIND US IS, UH, IS NANCY.
AND, UH, WE'RE IN A PROCESS OF THREE RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT? SO WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, UH, REGIONAL CAR SITUATIONS IN THE CITY, WHICH WE HAVEN'T DONE DONE ONE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE THIS YEAR.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY CATCHING ON, IT'S BECOMING A REAL ISSUE.
AND SO THE NEXT STEP IS DO IT YOURSELF OR GET FINE.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE AT THE SCHOOL.
AND THAT NEEDS TO BE IN TWO SHEETS, ONE SHEET FOR THE SIGNUP AND FOR THE INFORMATION, THE OTHER ONE NEEDS TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING DOWN THE PIKE, AS IT RELATES TO LIABILITY.
IF THOSE CARS ARE NOT GIVEN UP AND THEY GIVE THEM UP OR THEY SELL THEM THEMSELVES.
SO WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO DO THIS POSITION NEEDS TO BE ON THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, BUT UH, THERE IS A DEED RESTRICTION THAT WAS PLACED ON THAT PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS TRANSFERRED FROM THE U S MARSHALS TO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, THAT RESTRICTION SAYS THAT THAT HOUSE NEEDS TO BE A POLICE OUTSTATION.
UM, SO WE WERE, BUT IT IT'S NOT, UM, IT, IT CAN'T CHANGE AND YOU ALL, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS REQUEST THAT CHANGE OF THE US.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THAT, I GUESS GOD WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
UM, LAST TIME SCOTT, IT SAID IF, UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WOULD SEND A REQUEST TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN FOR A CHANGE OF USE OF THE PROPERTY, THEN THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN SCOTT DAVIS WILL FILE THE PAPERWORK WITH THE US MARSHALS TO HAVE A CHANGE.
SO IT'S MY JOB TO NOT RELAY THAT TO YOU.
WE'LL JUST ASK A LOADED QUESTION ON THAT FRONT.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE WANTED TO BE A HEALTH CENTER, BUT IS THERE SUCH A THING AS CARVING OUT A LITTLE CORNER ON IT TO BE A POLICE UP THERE TO KNOW IT'S JUST KIND OF A STORY, BUT WHILE I THINK
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IT'S BEST THAT WE PROBABLY GO WITH AN ASK OF THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING.WELL, THAT'S MY, THAT WAS MY NEXT PART OF THAT CONVERSATION IS, UM, IT'S ONE THING TO REQUEST TO REMOVE THAT RESTRICTION, BUT I THINK, UH, IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE THAT I PLEASE SUBSTATIONS SLASH COMMUNITY CENTER SLASH SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.
YOU KNOW, MY PROFESSION IS A CERTAIN THING, BUT JUST, IS THERE REALLY A NEED FOR UN POLICE SUBSTATION RIGHT THERE? I WOULD THINK TO THAT POINT THOUGH, YOU WOULD THINK INITIALLY, NO, IT'S A FEW BLOCKS AWAY, BUT FROM SPENDING TIME ON THE STREET, THERE ARE FEW POLICE VEHICLES THAT WILL ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THEIR AREA.
SO YOU CAN GO TO ONE PLACE IN LIFE FOR DRUG DEALS IN ONE HOUR, I CAN GO AND STAND THERE AND WATCH IT HAPPEN.
I JUST I'M CONCERNED WITH THE EITHER ACTUALITY OR THE APPEARANCE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ENDORSING OVER POLICING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.
WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO THE Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO BE IN A DEAL SAY, BUT I THINK THAT THE KEY TO IT IS FROM MY STANDPOINT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ADDING ANOTHER LAYER OF RESTRICTIVE USES THAT YOU MIGHT GO TO THE CHANGE AGAIN, TWO YEARS FROM NOW THAT WE NEED TO, IF WE NEED TO GO FORWARD IN THAT MANNER, BUT WE HAVE VIGOROUS POSSIBLE USES AND MAYBE LIMIT THAT IN A VERY BROAD TERM TO COMMUNICATION PORT ACTIVITIES.
DAMN THE POLICE DO OTHER THINGS, EDUCATIONAL THINGS TOO.
ANYTHING THAT SUPPORTS THAT THE GREATER REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ACUTE CONCERNS WITH HAVING SOMEONE, EVEN IF IT'S ONE RESOURCE OFFICERS, SOMEBODY WHO HAS NOT ONLY THE EXPERTISE AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR THE SKILLS OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, BUT ALSO HAS THE, THE CHARACTERISTICS AND THE PERSONALITY OF SOMEONE THAT CAN TALK TO THE SENIOR CITIZEN, AS WELL AS TALK TO THE GRADE SCHOOL CHILD WHO MAY NEED SOMEONE TO TALK TO.
SO NOT NECESSARILY THE POLICE, AS IN, AS WE LOOK TO PATROL AND NOT TO HAVE FIVE AND SIX, THEY'RE USING THAT AS THEIR OFFICE, BUT TO MAYBE HAVE ONE AND EVEN TO ASSIST WHERE THERE IS A CASE FOR A NURSE TO BE ON A PRINCESS, FULL WELLNESS, SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUT WITH BOOTS ON THE GROUND, WALK AROUND NOBODY NEIGHBORS, MAN, THAT WOULD BE A PLUS RATHER THAN HAVING TO PATROL.
AND WHAT'D YOU DO? AND THIS LAWYER DO THIS ALL THE TIME IS, UH, PUT SOME THINGS IN THERE, LIKE COMMUNITY HEALTH CLINIC OR SO-AND-SO, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, YOU KNOW, AS A CAVEAT ON THAT, SUCH AS, ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO THIS SUCH AS, SO WE CAN ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE.
YOU CAN ALSO CALL THE PERSONALITY.
WELL THAT WOULD BE A KEY COMMUNITY HEALTH SUPPORT.
THIS IS SUCH AS, THESE ARE SUCH AS TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.
I THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT WE JUST STOPPED BETTER IN COURT FROM PLACES THOUGH.
IT'S A SUCH AS, AND IT'S NOT, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, UM, COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
WHAT OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT IN OUR PLAN, COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS COMMUNITY CENTER.
DID SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT
AND THEN THAT'S ENOUGH FOR SUCH ANSWERS, BUT MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO OR WHATEVER, BUT Y'ALL GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
THAT'S GOING TO GO TO THE BOARD.
I MADE A MOTION THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION REQUEST THE BOARD OF ALL BRITAIN TO PURSUE, UH, THE CHANGES TO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE MCCOTTER HOUSE TO INCLUDE,
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INCLUDE COMMUNITY SUPPORT ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO IN FRONT OF DISCUSSION QUESTIONS.IS THAT WHAT YOU NEEDED? SABRINA HARLEY FAVOR.
THE PROPERTIES, IS THAT CORRECT? OR DO WE JUST WAIT WE'LL TABLE THAT TABLE? IT, THAT WE'RE GOING ON TO THAT.
UM, SO ALONG THOSE LOTS, THE, UH, ISSUE CAME UP LAST NIGHT DURING THE ITEM TO TRANSFER, UM, CITY ON LOANS COMMISSION, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THE LAW.
UM, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
I DIDN'T SPEAK WITH MATT MONTAINE A YEAR AGO AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE SAME QUESTION AND IT WAS, YEAH, YOU GUYS ARE STILL GONNA MAINTAIN THE WATTS, BUT THAT WAS AT THE DIRECTOR LEVEL.
UM, AND NOT AT THE BOARD LEVEL.
SO THE QUESTION CAME TO, UH, THE, ALL THE MEN DECIDED TO TABLE THE, I, UM, SEND IT BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO GET AN ANSWER ON, IF YOU ALL WANT TO ACCEPT MAINTENANCE OF THESE LOTS, UH, OR NOT.
TAKE THE LOSS AND MAINTENANCE WILL TAKE A LOT, NO MAINTENANCE.
UM, AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO, UH, BUT THAT'S NOT ACCEPTING THE LOTS IS AN OPTION FOR THE COMMISSION.
SO YEAH, THIS BEFORE, I MEAN, RIGHT.
Y'ALL THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN CAN VOTE TO GET THE LOTS, BUT THE RISA DOESN'T HAVE TO SIGN THE DEED SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ACCEPTED.
WHY CAN'T WE CONTINUE TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH MATT MONTANA AND PUBLIC WORKS AS WE'VE DONE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE'VE GOT RID OF THE, NOW WE'RE GIVING YOU THE LOTS.
WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM WHEN WE'RE GIVING THEM TO SOMEBODY ELSE? IF WE HAD SOLD THOSE LOTS TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WOULD, BECAUSE AS SOON AS CITY OF NEWBURGH AND WE'RE TRYING TO HELP NEW BERN BE BETTER AND LOOK BETTER, DID YOU, SO THEN IF YOU TRANSFER THOSE LOTS OR YOU DO SOMETHING ELSE, WE'RE NOT, THEN
SO THE
IT'S NOT THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF MAINTENANCE.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S QUARTERLY AND IT'S ENOUGH AND IT'S GOOD.
UM, AND MATT HAS NO PROBLEMS DOING IT.
JUST SOMETHING WE CAN GET, WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THEM.
SO IT'S THE POINT WHERE, YEAH, I MEAN, THE LOTS OF WE'RE GETTING AREN'T.
I MEAN, THESE ARE
SO, I MEAN, SO YOU KEEP THEM IN YOUR MAIN THING.
JUST, THEY ARE DRAGGING OUR FEET.
NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITY COUNTY LOCKED, THERE'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
I MEAN, HE'S TRIED TO GET THOSE TO THE POINT WHERE THE CATALYST SIGN OFF ON THEM.
SO THAT WAS THAT FELLOW THAT DROVE AROUND FIVE TIMES YESTERDAY.
HE CAN'T STICK A LOT MORE IN HIS BAG.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT LOTS WE'RE GOING TO USE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT THAT'S A WORD ALL, BUT CAN THEY BE USED WITH
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SOMETHING ELSE? NO, YOU CAN USE IT AS A BARGAINING BARGAINING LATER ON.I MEAN, A LOT OF THEM ARE GOING TO GO IN INTO THE
HE HELPED THEM GO IN AND THEY NEED GREEN SPACE TOO, SO, OKAY.
UM, SO GOING TO WORK, YOU SAID YOU KNEW ABOUT ROBINSON.
THEN I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT HE CONTINUED TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH NEWBORN, UH, PUBLIC WORKS AS IT RELATES TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTIES GIVEN TO US BY THE NEW-BORN BORDER WALL, BE SICK.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL CONTACT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HALL BECAUSE WE'VE ASKED THIS TO GO ON OUR NEXT AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE NOVEMBER THE 11TH AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE'S CONTRACTS.
I THOUGHT I SAID IT, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD TALK TO ALL OF THEM AND OF THEM.
YOU SHOULD TALK TO ALDERMAN HARRIS AND I THINK HE SHOULD TALK TO PROBABLY
THERE'S TWO ASSIGNED ME ANTHONY MORE.
I, YEAH, I THINK I JUST ASSIGNED, UH, COMMISSIONER MORTON WAS GOING TO YOU'RE SELLING ME ONE IN PARTICULAR, BUT I DIDN'T SAY NOTHING.
SO WHAT WOULD THE 18, OH, THE SAME CV, 25TH, 26TH.
YEAH, YOU CAN MOVE WHENEVER YOU, YOU CAN MOVE RIGHT ON LIKE THURSDAY OR THAT MONDAY.
CAUSE SHE USED HIS WATER BOTTLE IN THE MEETING ONE DAY.
IS THAT GOOD FOR SOMEBODY TO NURSE? SO THE MOTION SHOULD BE CHANGED OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING ON THE 11TH OF NOVEMBER TO THE 12TH OF NOVEMBER AT 6:00 PM IN THIS, UH, REAL THREE FIRST STREET.
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OF YOU BUSINESS? YES, SIR.I WANTED TO JUST DISCUSS SHORTLY BRIEFLY THAT, UM, WE WERE CHARGED AT THE LAST MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR THE DAYS IN PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS NO SMALL UNDERTAKING HOW WE WANT TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS.
AND I MIGHT SAY I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE DERELICT FOR US TO IGNORE THAT AND LET IT, I DON'T KNOW.
I THOUGHT I HEARD DIFFERENTLY.
I HEARD THAT THE, THIS COMMISSION WOULD VET PROPOSALS THAT CAME FROM OTHER PLACES, BOARD OF ALDERMAN SPECIFICALLY, NOT THAT WE WOULD BE, OR YOU WOULD BE CHARGED WITH COMPLAINTS.
SO IF PEOPLE CAME TO YOU WITH IDEAS OR WHATEVER, YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME VISION FOR THE SITE AND THEN YOU CAN VET THEM AND SAY, THIS FITS OUR VISION FOR THE VISION, MORE, THE VISION OF WHAT THE SITE SHOULD BE.
DO YOU WANT IT TO BE COMMERCIAL? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE MIXED? IF IT'S MIXED? WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL.
YEAH, BUT THERE, THERE, THERE, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY A NEBULOUS WAY TO APPROACH THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A VISION BECAUSE I MEAN, PERSONALLY I SEE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT VENUES
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THERE, ONE DOWN PUBLIC STREET, THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH TRENT COURT WHEN THAT AREA GETS REDEVELOPED AND KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE LITTLE BREWERIES DEVELOPING THERE, I CAN SEE THAT AREA, ARTSY, ARTSY, YOUNGER COLLECTION PLACE, UH, WITH THE, THE CROWDS THAT I SEE ACROSS THE STREET THERE, THAT PLACE, WHATEVER IT IS, UH, I MEAN THEY'RE THERE FROM THE PLANS.THERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
I SEE THAT A TRENT COURT WITH, WITH MARKET RATE STUFF, AS WELL AS MIXED INCOME STUFF GOING DOWN THERE.
I THINK THAT AREA THERE IS GOING TO BECOME A VIBRANT AREA.
AND SO, UH, AND I THINK THAT WE, THE WHO'S US TO LOOK AT THAT ON THE PUBLIC STREET SIDE OF THESE IN AND POSSIBLY LOOK AT SOMETHING TOTALLY, TOTALLY DIFFERENT OVER ON THE PRIME STREET SIDE AND GREEN STREET.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN I WAS GETTING THAT CONCEPTUAL STUFF RATHER THAN 30% RETAIL AND 30%, YOU KNOW, THAT I WOULDN'T TURN OUT TO BE ANYTHING BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEVELOPER CURRENTLY WHO'S VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN THE SITE AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HEARD THAT WE SAID WE WANTED TO COME UP, YOU KNOW, WE WANT IT COMMERCIAL AND I GUESS YOU'VE BROKEN IT DOWN OR SUCCINCTLY IN THAT BROAD STREET CORRIDOR.
AND YOU KNOW, AND HE CAME BACK WITH AN IDEA OF, OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, BUT HE'S JUST TRYING TO REACH HIS RESIDENTIAL NUMBERS ON TAX CREDITS.
SO HE'S GOING TO PUT IN AS MANY UNITS AS HE CAN AND NOT NECESSARILY LIKE YOU'RE SIGNING, IF WE CAN KEEP THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE HOG STREET SIDE, I MEAN MORE COMMERCIAL ART, THIS INSTITUTION NOT GOING TO PARK IT.
WELL, I KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO DO THIS STUFF BECAUSE WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU BASICALLY HAVE RESIDENTIAL IS YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A STRIP ALONG BROAD STREET AND YOU HAVE A STRIP ALONG PALLET AND THERE YOU'VE GOT TWO ACRES IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU'VE GOT HABITATS IN THAT TOO.
THAT'S NEVER BEEN, HAD BEEN AT HIM.
THIS IS MY FIRST SHOT AT THIS.
AND IF AT THE WAY, YOU NEED TO, I THINK COME UP WITH A VISION THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS, THE VISION OF WHAT WE THINK THERE IS MORE SUCCINCT THAN THE PERCENTAGE OF RANDOM USES.
PUT THAT ON NEXT AGENDA AND JUST HAVE THE LIST.
BUT WHAT ABOUT STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT INDIVIDUALLY? UM, PROBABLY AFTER I THINK SHE PROBABLY, WELL, THAT GOES TO THE POINT DO WE DO, WHEN WE START THIS PROCESS, HOW DO WE DO IT? I MEAN, IF YOU HIRED A PLANNER, YOU WOULD BE DOING RUNNING CHARRETTES AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF GOING ON OUT THERE.
DO WE WANT TO GO THAT FAR AND CREATE OUR VISION? HOW WE WANT TO GET TO THAT VISION IS WHAT I'M REALLY ASKING.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE WANT TO USE THAT TO GET TO THAT.
WE'LL PUT YOU ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
AND THEN YOU FIND THAT TO GET THAT SITE.
WELL I'M JUST SAYING SO WE CAN HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
SO THAT'S WHEN THE, UM, THE AGENDA AND WE WILL MEET THE ABILITY.
THIRD POWER 12 HERE AT SIX O'CLOCK.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.