Sep 14, 2021 Board of Aldermen

TISSUES? IT SAYS MADAM CLERK.

AND CAN WE HEAR FROM THEM? I DIDN'T COME, BUT I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE SAME GROUP, BUT PLEASE COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

THIS IS TRUE.

I'M GOOD.

WELCOME TO THE LOUVER BOARD BALLROOM MEETING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

[3. Request and Petition of Citizens.]

I DIDN'T MEAN TO MISS ANYBODY OUT THERE.

UM, FIRST ONE, UM, LET'S SEE, WE'RE GOING TO SABRINA.

I THINK THE FIRST ONE WAS BOTHERED TELLY, BUT HE'S RIGHT.

AND UH, JAMES WOODS IS JAMES HERE.

DID HE MEAN JAMES? OH WAS JUNIOR 19 0 3 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD.

IT'S AMAZING THAT THE SCOUTS ARE HERE ABOUT GOVERNING.

AND I WAS JUST SITTING THERE BACK THERE THINKING ABOUT WHAT I HAD TO SAY TODAY.

I'VE COME BEFORE THIS BOARD THIS YEAR ASKING FOR, TO BE A PART OF TWO THINGS.

THE FIRST ONE AND THE ONE MAIN ONE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE SELECTION OF THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST MR. FOSTER HUGHES.

I THINK HE'LL BE A GOOD CITY MANAGER.

HOWEVER, GOVERNING TAKES TWO PARTS.

IT TAKES THE CITIZENS AND IT TAKES YOU OFF.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE ALL THE IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT THIS BOARD MAKES, THAT AFFECTS US AS CITIZENS.

YOU GUYS MAY GET BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITHOUT INPUT FROM US TRANSPARENCY.

I KEEP HEARING THAT WORD THROWN AROUND AND UM, YOU GUYS, AREN'T BEING TRANSPARENT.

IF THE PROCESS IS NOT IN PLACE FOR ME TO PARTICIPATE, I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

ALL SOMEBODY HAD TO DO WAS PICK UP THE PHONE AND TELL ME THAT.

BUT FOR ME TO HEAR IT IN THE STREETS THAT MR. HUGHES HAS BEEN SELECTED AS THE CITY MANAGER, I THOUGHT IS A DISSERVICE TO EVERY CITIZEN AND MYSELF.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FOSTER.

I WORK WITH FOSTER.

I THINK HE'LL BE AN OUTSTANDING CITY MANAGER.

HOWEVER, I ASKED TO BE A PART OF THAT BOARD FOR A REASON, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AROUND IN THIS ROOM, I SEE NO ONE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION, EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE ME.

ONE, ONE, AND APPARENTLY WORDS THAT YOU GUYS SAY TO US AS CITIZENS OF NEW BERN DON'T MEAN ANYTHING.

THAT'S HOW I TAKE IT.

MAYBE I COULD BE WRONG.

I WOULD LIKE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE WORK TOGETHER, THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP.

MY FATHER ALWAYS TOLD ME ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

AND YOUR ACTIONS HAVE SPOKEN VERY LOUD TO THE CITIZENS, ESPECIALLY CITIZENS THAT LOOK LIKE ME IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN.

THANK YOU, MR. WOODS, MR. WOODS, EXCUSE ME.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS.

I APOLOGIZE TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE CORRECT.

I SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND CONTACTED YOU, WHETHER YOU WERE GOING TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS OR NOT TO INFORM YOU OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU ARE A TAX PAYING CITIZEN AND YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT.

ANONYMOUSLY VOTED TO PURCHASE PROPERTY AND ALL OF YOU GUYS VOTED FOR IT.

I JUST WANT TO, TO LET YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE PROCESS.

HEY, OUR NEXT PETITIONER'S FROM CHRIS STEWART.

I GOT TO TRY TO USE MY INSIDE VOICE TONIGHT.

UM, I JUST WANT TO BRING A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I THINK ARE STILL SOME MISUNDERSTANDING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, UH,

[00:10:01]

THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, UH, CHANGED THE SCOPE OF WORK WITH FEMA AND ALL OF YOU GUYS VOTED FOR IT.

AND JUST LAST WEEK, THE BOARD OF ALL THE MEN DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE, UH, STANLEY WHITE TO THE NEW LOCATION.

THAT'D BE MORE APPROVED AND ALL OF YOU GUYS VOTED FOR IT.

THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH CONFUSION AND FOOLISHNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, BASED ON WHAT MY ORIGINAL CONVERSATION WAS AT THE MEETING HAS, UH, THEY'LL MAKE US IN THERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON THE LEADERSHIP.

I AM VERY DISTURBED THAT FOLKS THAT CAUSE THESE ISSUES STILL TURNED AROUND AND VOTED FOR THE SAME THING TO EVERYBODY ELSE THERE, IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, UH, WITH THAT, I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE STOOD THEIR GROUND GROUND AND JUST NOT VOTED FOR IT AT ALL.

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS HAD THE VOTES TO CARRY IT, TO DO WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.

UH, AND TO ME THAT WAS A TIME FOR FOLKS TO USE THEIR POSITION, TO BRING OUR COMMUNITY CLOSER TOGETHER, UH, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A DISTRUST FOR YEARS AND NEW NEWBURN.

UH, THERE'S STILL SOME ROOM AROUND THAT.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE FACT OF THE MATTER.

PLEASE GO PULL THE RECORD FOR ANYONE THAT'S LISTENING TO ME BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, EVERYBODY VOTED FOR IT.

MY SECOND THING THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS, UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF PEDAL DIFFERENCES AMONGST THIS BOARD WITH PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, WE A GROUP OF US FROM THE PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY APPROACH, THE LEADERSHIP TO GET ON THE AGENDA HERE TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MR. WOODS JUST TALKED ABOUT, WHICH WAS, UH, INCLUSION OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN HIRING PROCESS, WHETHER THAT IS FROM A STANDPOINT OF, UH, PEOPLE NOT BEING QUALIFIED, OR WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN, UH, TO SUBMIT, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF PETTY DIFFERENCES, UH, OUR LEADERSHIP CHOSE NOT TO BRING THAT TO YOU GUYS.

UM, THE PERSON THAT EVERYBODY HAD TEXTED ME ABOUT HAPPENS TO BE A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, SABRINA ANTOINETTE BOSKEY FROM THE PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY, HAD TO APPROACH HER TO HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU AND THE MIRROR TO ENGAGE IN THIS CONVERSATION.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

I STAND BEFORE YOU TO SAY, I, I'M NOT ABOUT A POPULAR CHOICE.

PEOPLE CAN BE MAD AT ME.

THIS ISN'T PERSONAL.

THE BLACK COMMUNITY NEEDS NEW LEADERSHIP.

OUR LEADERSHIP IS NOT GOOD.

WE'RE NOT GETTING THINGS DONE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY'S POINTING THE FINGER AT EVERYBODY ELSE.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PEOPLE IN THE POWERS TO BE THAT WAS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WORK TOGETHER.

EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMEBODY, I DON'T LIKE ANTOINETTE SOMETIME GETS ON MY NERVES, BUT I'LL WORK WITH HER BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE COMMON GOOD FOR OUR PEOPLE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THIS CASE.

THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS I OPENED UP A RESTAURANT ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO.

I JUST WANT TO THANK SABRINA, THE MAYOR AND OLDHAM FOR COMING.

I GREW UP THAT BUILDING CASH.

IT'S MY BUILDING.

IT'S MY RESTAURANT BROAD STREET TAKEOUT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING.

I WISH OTHERS WOULD HAVE ATTENDED.

I'M MAC WIFE MUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, ME, UH, OPENED UP MY SUPER SHOP IN 1977.

DEER GOT WIPED OUT THE FIRST WEEK IN BUSINESS, BUT I BOUNCED BACK.

I'VE HAD MULTIPLE BREAK-INS SINCE THEN.

I'VE BOUNCED BACK.

WE DONATE A LOT OF MONEY TO CHARITIES, RAISE MONEY FOR CHARITIES, POLICE, DEPARTMENT, SCHOOLS, BICYCLES, ALL THIS STUFF.

ALL RIGHT, NOW I WANT SOMETHING BACK TO ME.

THE WORK DONE IN THE DITCH ITSELF HAS CAUSED THIS WHOLE, WHOLE THING'S COLLAPSING.

I'VE COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS, UH, CREEK NEXT TO MY SHOP.

I EVEN WROTE A LETTER TO MAYOR KIMBALL 40 YEARS AGO.

TELL HIM ABOUT ALL THE BUILDING GOING UPSTREAM.

THAT'S GOING TO START WASHING OUT THE DITCH BANK.

WELL, THIS IS GRADUALLY DETERIORATED OVER THE YEARS.

WELL, BUT ALL THIS INCREASED WATER GOING DOWN NOW IT'S GOTTEN EVEN WORSE.

AND THEN THEY CAME AND CLEANED OUT THE DITCH BY THE OTHER SIDE AND LEAVE THE BANK COLLAPSED.

THEY PUT THAT BACK.

I NOTICED ACROSS THE STREET, UH, AT, UH, CHUCK TYSON'S PARKING LOT OVER THERE.

HERE'S THIS CAVING IN THERE.

SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET, AND JORDAN CHILES AND FOSTER HUGHES HAVE BEEN GREAT.

THEY'VE BEEN CONTACTING ME AND WORKING WITH ME ON THIS AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, BUT WHAT I NEED MY WHOLE DITCH BANK, I HAD TO RAISE ONE AMERICAN NATION HANGING ON THE WALL OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S A CRACK ALL THE WAY DOWN IS SPLITTING AND GOING DOWN.

UH, THEY HAD THE ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT.

THEY SAID IT WAS A DRAINAGE FROM THE ROOF.

I HAD MY ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT, WHICH WAS, UM, JOANNE WALLACE.

I WILL SAY, HAD A RING CONTRACTOR.

UH, DAN, PAUL, YOU LOOK AT IT.

THEY SAID, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT CAME FROM.

IT'S FROM

[00:15:01]

I GOT NO AIR CONDITIONING UNITS.

I'VE GOT PROPPED UP RIGHT NOW.

I JUST FEEL THAT, UH, TO KEEP HOME WITH ME WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, THAT THEY CAN HELP ME A LITTLE BIT THIS TIME AROUND.

UM, THIS IS TOO BIG FOR ME TO HANDLE BY MYSELF.

I CAN HANDLE THE BREAK INS AND ALL THAT MESS, AND I CAN RECOVER FROM THIS.

I'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME HELP ON THIS.

THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

I APPRECIATE ANY HELP.

ANYBODY CAN GIVE ME JUST LITERALLY FALLING IN THE CREEK WHEN IT FALLS IN A CREEK, THAT'S GOING TO CLOG IT UP AND JUST GO BACK UP WATER.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING, YOUR CONSIDERATION.

GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THAT'S ALL THE PETITIONS AT THIS TIME.

AND WE NOW CAN

[Consent Agenda]

MAY I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS IT? WELL, I'D LIKE TO JUST AMEND THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND AND PULL THE PROCLAMATION MEMORIALIZING SISTER, ANGELA, MARY PARKER, TO BE SEPARATE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

POOLING ITEM FOUR FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND QUESTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE A DISCUSSION SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE, ALL BY SAYING, UM,

[4. Consider Approving a Proclamation Memorializing Sister Angela Mary Parker.]

I'LL REMEMBER FINGAL BECAUSE OF YOUR VAST KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT SYSTEM, UH, PARKER DID ALONG WITH THE EBENEZER BAPTIST CHURCH PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH AND THE WHOLE HISTORY OF RCS.

I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD SHARE, IT'S REALLY AN HONOR FOR ME TO SEE EVENING TO SPEAK ABOUT SISTER ANGELA, MARY PARKER.

UM, I AM SORRY THAT FOLLOWED FATHER TROLLEY.

HASN'T GOTTEN HERE BECAUSE HE DID KNOW SISTER ANGELA, MARY, AS WELL AS, UH, REVEREND JOHNSON FROM THE EBENEEZER CHURCH WHO APPROACHED THE MAYOR AND I ABOUT THIS PROCLAMATION.

UM, IT WAS SISTER ANGELA, MARY, AND REVEREND JOHNSON, WHO TOGETHER FORM RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES IN THE BASEMENT OF, UH, EBENEEZER CHURCH AND THEIR, THEIR, THEIR DREAM WAS TO BRING AREA CHURCHES TOGETHER TO FEED THE HUNGRY AND TO START SERVICES FOR PEOPLE IN NEED PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, THEY, THEY WORKED, THEY BUILT IT AND BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESS OF, UM, RCS, UM, THEY IN 19, I BELIEVE IT WAS 1986.

UH, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH WAS AWARDED THE ALL AMERICAN CITY.

AND IT WAS REALLY BASED ON THE STRENGTH OF WHAT RCS HAD DONE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I ACTUALLY TRAVELED TO CHICAGO WITH SISTER, ANGELA, MARY, AND REVEREND JOHNSON.

AND, UM, AT THE TIME MY MOTHER-IN-LAW ELLA BINGO WAS THE MAYOR OF NEW BERN.

AND WE WENT MANY CITIZENS AND, UM, CELEBRATED THIS WONDERFUL ACCOMPLISHMENT OF BEING NAMED AN ALL AMERICAN CITY.

BUT, UM, SISTER ANGELA, MARY WAS A, UM, IMMACULATE HEART SISTER.

AND, UH, SCHOOL WAS HERE AT ST PAUL'S, UM, AND ENDED UP, UH, GOING BACK TO SCRANTON WHERE THE, FOR CATHOLICS, THEY WOULD KNOW THE MOTHER HOUSE AND, UM, OF THE, UM, IMH, UH, SISTERS.

AND, UM, SHE, UH, DIED, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN, UM, 2014.

SHE PASSED AWAY.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BRIEFLY MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST READ THIS PROCLAMATION.

AND, UM, REVEREND JOHNSON PERSONALLY, UM, ASKED THAT I DO THIS THIS EVENING.

SO PLEASE JUST BEAR WITH ME.

WHEREAS SISTER ANGELA, MARY PARKER ENTERED THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY CONGREGATION ON SEPTEMBER 7TH, 1953 AT THE AGE OF 25 AND MADE HER TEMPORARY PROFESSION OF VOWS ON AUGUST 3RD, 1956, AND HER FINAL PROFESSION OF VAT ON AUGUST 4TH, 1959.

AND WHEREAS SISTER ANGELA MARY WAS A GENTLE PATIENT AND DETERMINED PERSON.

SHE TAUGHT AT FIVE SCHOOLS, INCLUDING ST.

PAUL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE IN NEWBURN FROM 1978 TO 1984.

AND WHEREAS SHE ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO NEWBURN IN MANY OTHER WAYS, MOST NOTABLY IN HER POSITION AS THE DIRECTOR OF RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICE SOUP KITCHEN FROM 1984 TO 1992.

AND WHEREAS AFTER A DILIGENT, BUT UNSUCCESSFUL SEARCH FOR A SUITABLE LOCATION FOR THE SOUP KITCHEN SISTER, ANGELA MARY REACHED OUT TO REVEREND ROBERT JOHNSON OF EBENEEZER BAPTIST, THE EBENEEZER, EXCUSE ME, PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, REVEREND JOHNSON AND HIS CONGREGATION WERE RECEPTIVE TO THE IDEA AND SHARED SISTER ANGELA MARY'S ENTHUSIASM FOR SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS AFTER RENOVATING THE KITCHEN AND DINING AREA OF EBENEEZER PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, RCS SOUP KITCHEN BEGAN OPERATION ON NOVEMBER 5TH, 1984, AND REMAINED AT THE CHURCH FOR 10

[00:20:01]

MONTHS UNTIL THE KITCHEN WAS MOVED TO ITS PERMANENT LOCATION AT 5 0 3 GYN STREET ON AUGUST 15TH, 1985.

AND WHEREAS SISTER, ANGELA MARY IS IMPACT ON THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURN IS STILL FELT TODAY AS HER LEGACY OF DISPLAYING LOVE AND SERVING OTHERS CONTINUES TO LIVE ON THROUGH THE SOUP KITCHEN THAT CONTINUES TO FEED SO MANY IN NEED.

AND MAY HAVE THANK YOU FOR SIGNING THIS AND DOING THIS.

I APPRECIATE IT.

AND I KNOW REVEREND JOHNSON FATHER TOTALLY.

AND ALL OF THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY RCS.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY APPROPRIATE AND FITTING THAT THE SEASONING WE WILL VOTE DO FINALLY DEED THAT BUILDING WHERE OUR SEAT, WHERE THE SOUP KITCHEN STARTED TO RCS SO THAT THEY CONTINUE THEIR WONDERFUL MISSION IN HELPING OUR COMMUNITY.

SO LIKE TO THE CITIZENS, THANK YOU TO THE SPORT FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THIS.

UM, IT WAS QUITE AN AWFUL THING AND BANK.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? BUT AT FORDHAM, YES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE, UM, WE APPROVE THE PROCLAMATION MEMORIALIZING, SISTER, ANGELA, MARY PARKER, AND SECOND, UH, SEEING THAT WE HAVE A BUNCH OF SECOND LED DISCUSSIONS, SEVEN ROAD CALLS STARTED THE DEVELOPMENT OF BANK.

ALDERMAN BAGEL.

ALDERWOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN ASKED HER YES.

WHY SHE CARRIES THAT'S THE END OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

LET'S GO

[11. Consider Adopting an Ordinance Amending Article V. " Recruitment and Employment of Chapter 54 " Personnel".]

TO ITEM NUMBER 11.

MAYOR.

NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE FIVE RECRUITMENT AND EMPLOYMENT, EXCEPT FOR 54 PERSONNEL.

THIS AMENDMENT PROVIDES AN EXCEPTION TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE REGARDING EMPLOYEES SERVING IN A PART-TIME OR SEASONAL CAPACITY.

THE AMENDMENT ENSURES A PROCESS THAT PREVENTS ANY SUPERVISORY AUTHORITY OR INFLUENCE OVER AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER, INCLUDING INVOLVEMENT IN A DISCIPLINARY ACTION OR TERMINATION APPEAL.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY MS. HAYES AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

NOW I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE FIVE RECRUITMENT AND EMPLOYMENT OF CHAPTER 54 PERSONNEL, SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION AQUAMAN ITEM? YES.

MAYOR OUT OTTERMAN ASKS OUT A WOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN.

THEY GO.

NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY OF NEWBURN AND RICHARD FOSTER HUGHES.

[12. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving an Employment Agreement Between the City of New Bern and Richard Foster Hughes, II. ]

THE SECOND AT THE AUGUST 24TH MEETING, A MOTION WAS MADE AND PASSED TO HIRE MYSELF AS THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 14TH AND SUBJECT TO A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE CONTRACT.

THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION APPROVES AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND MUSCLE.

MARY I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION APPROVING AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH AND RICHARD FOSTER.

SHE USED THE SECOND, SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE OF US HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTED WITH ALMA BANK.

ALDERMAN BINGO.

AUTO WOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN ASKED HER MAY ARE OUTLAWS OTTOMAN, KINSEY, ALDERMAN, BEST ALDERMAN ODOM.

CONGRATULATIONS.

AND UH, WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK THROUGH THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WHEN DID YOU OFFICIALLY COME AND WORK WITH YOU? SAY I CAME MID NOVEMBER OF 2017.

IT'S BEEN A FUN, FUN TIME SO FAR.

LET'S GO DOWN NUMBER 13, NEXT ITEM AS A MINISTER, THE ED.

[13. Administration of Oath for the Position of City of Manager.]

YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOUR WIFE DURING MY CAREER AND I APPRECIATED NUMBER

AND IF YOU'LL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, PLACE YOUR LEFT ON THE BIBLE, RICHARD FOSTER HUGHES.

THE SECOND DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

SO HELP ME GOD.

UH, RICHARD FOSTER HUGHES, THE SECOND DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THE HOUSE SUPPORT AND MAINTAIN THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF NORTH CAROLINA, NOT INCONSISTENT THEY'RE WAY UP AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE, A CITY MANAGER.

SO HELP ME, GOD, RICHARD FOSTER, HE'S THE SECOND DO SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY SWEAR THAT I WILL BE FAITHFUL AND BEAR TRUE ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWERS AND AUTHORITIES, WHICH ARE, OR MAYBE ESTABLISHED FOR THE GOVERNMENT THEY'RE UP AND THE APPLE ENDEAVOR TO SUPPORT, MAINTAIN AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION.

UPSET STATE, NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY.

SO HELP ME, GOD, HELP ME YOUR HOURS.

[00:25:01]

[14. Consider Adopting a Budget Ordinance Amendment.]

14.

NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AT THE AUGUST 24TH, 2021 MEETING THE BOARD ALSO VOTED TO SEEK A CANDIDATE TO FILL THE POSITION OF ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

THE BUDGET ORDINANCE WILL APPROPRIATE $137,386 FROM FUND BALANCE FOR THE SALARY AND BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THE POSITION.

ADDITIONALLY, THE AMENDMENT MAKES APPROPRIATION IS NECESSARY TO REESTABLISH ENCUMBRANCES FOR OUTSTANDING PURCHASE ORDERS.

AS OF JUNE 30TH, 2021, AND ALLOCATE 300,000 FROM THE PLEASANT HILL COMMUNITY CENTER.

BUILDING A MEMO FROM MISS OSHA.

MS IS ATTACHED TO MS. SODASTREAM IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.

SHE IS BUSINESS REMOTE AND OUR SENIOR ACCOUNTING, UH, ACCOUNTANT TONYA HARMS IS HERE AS WELL.

TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

HE IS NOT.

I THINK THE QUESTION I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, HOW WAS THAT PROCESS GOING TO HAPPEN IN REGARDS TO THE HIRING PROCESS? IS IT GOING TO BE PUT OUT FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR? SO WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE, OUR, OUR HIRING PROCESS THAT'S ESTABLISHED.

UH, MAYOR, IF THERE'S LITTLE QUESTIONS, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO FISCAL YEAR 2022 OPERATING BUDGET.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEVERAL ROM-COM STARTING WITH ALL OF THEM.

MAY OUR OUTLAW ALDERMAN, THE ASTRO AUTO WOMAN HARRIS OTTOMAN THING.

PEOPLE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAD A DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFT IN POPULATION.

MOTION CARRIES A NUMBER

[15. Discussion of Ward Redistricting.]

15 AT THIS TIME.

WE'RE GOING TO ASK OUR GIS COORDINATOR, ALICE WILSON TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THE WARD REDISTRICTING UM, THANK YOU.

I WILL PREFACE, PREFACE IT TO SAY THAT, UM, MY DAUGHTER MOVED BACK TO NEWBURN LAST NIGHT WITH THREE CATS.

SO MY ALLERGIES ARE WORKING OVERTIME RIGHT NOW.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION IS TURNING AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INVITE THE SCOUTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT GIS AND MATH TIME WILLING TO HELP.

SO, UM, TALKING ABOUT REDISTRICTING, UM, THERE'S TWO GENERAL STATUTES THAT REQUIRE THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AFTER A CENSUS IS COMPLETED TO LOOK AT THEIR WORK BOUNDARIES OR THEIR DISTRICTS AND SEE IF THEY'RE OUT OF, OUT OF PROPORTION.

AND IF SO, THEN THEY NEED TO, UM, ADJUST THOSE BOUNDARIES.

UM, KIND OF THE PROCEDURES.

THERE'S NO REAL PROCEDURES FOR CITIES, UH, PER SE THE COUNTIES HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIA, BUT ONCE THE DISTRICTS ARE THE WARDS IN OUR CASE ARE DETERMINED, THE CITY, UM, WILL ADOPT THOSE AWARDS.

UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER BY AN ORDINANCE OR A RESOLUTION BASED ON WHAT WE DID LAST TIME.

AND LAST TIME IN 2011 OR 2012, ACTUALLY WE ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT AGAIN.

UM, THEN THE MAPS WILL BE MADE, MADE PUBLIC, AND THEN WE'LL MEET WITH THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS AND PROVIDE INFORMATION AND DATA TO THEM TO NOTIFY VOTERS OF THE CHANGES.

SO LOOKING AT THE DATA ITSELF, UM, THIS HAS BEEN A CRAZY YEAR, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE COVID.

WE USUALLY GET THE DATA IN BY MARCH, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT UNTIL AUGUST THE 12TH, UM, HAD HELPED WITH THE IT DEPARTMENT.

TONY GATLIN HELPED US TO TURN IT AROUND USING SOME OTHER TOOLS TO ACCESS THE DATA BECAUSE IT WAS IN A STRANGE FORMAT.

BUT THEY'RE SAYING IN THE 2020 CENSUS THAT WE HAD 31,291

[00:30:02]

I WILL SAY, PART OF THAT IS THE CENSUS THE WAY IT'S FILLED OUT, HOW YOU CHOOSE, WHAT YOUR, YOUR DEPTH, YOUR RACIAL BACKGROUND IS AND YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC BACKGROUND.

SO LOOKING AT A LITTLE CLOSER FOR THIS CENSUS, UM, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE POPULATION, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME OTHER POPULATION THAT'S KIND OF NEW AND THEN THERE'S TWO OR MORE POPULATION THERE'S ACTUALLY CATEGORIES FOR THREE OR MORE, FOUR MORE, FIVE OR MORE POPULATIONS.

NOW I JUST COMBINED THOSE TOGETHER INTO ONE.

SO THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN REDISTRIBUTING, UM, YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE ALL WARDS EQUALLY NECESSARILY BECAUSE ALL WARDS DON'T GROW EQUALLY.

UM, WE DON'T DO YOU WANT TO STAY UNDER THE 10% DEVIATION RULE? WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT MAKING SURE THAT THE WARD BOUNDARIES ARE EASY TO DISTINGUISH AND IDENTIFY, AND IF POSSIBLE, KEEP NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER, I'VE USED THEM THAT BOUNDARY.

IS IT POSSIBLE? AND ALL OF A SUDDEN MAKE SURE TO CONSIDER ACTING AMERICAN BLOCKS.

SO LOOKING AT OUR DATA, UM, AGAIN, WE EXTRACTED THE DATA YOU SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE MOST POPULOUS WARD, THE MOST LEAST POPULOUS BOARD, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OPTIMUM POPULATION AND OPTIMUM POPULATION.

AS YOU TAKE THE TOTAL POPULATION DIVIDED BY OUR SIX WARDS.

AND THAT COMES OUT TO, UM, 5,215, ROUGHLY.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE WARD ONE AND WARD THREE OR OUT OF, OUT OF, OUT OF WHACK.

AND IF YOU ADD THAT PERCENTAGE WISE, IF IT'S OVER 10%, JUST YOU NEED TO LOOK AT REDISTRICTING.

AND SO OURS CAME AT FAVOR 52%.

SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT GROWTH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE WORKSHOP WORK SESSION, KIND OF LOOKED AT THE WARDS WHERE WE'RE SEEING GROWTH.

YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE DOTS ARE WHERE WE HAD BUILDING PERMITS FOR NEW HOUSING UNITS OR MULTIPLE FAMILY HOUSING UNITS.

AND YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOME BOARDS HAVE GROWN FASTER THAN OTHERS.

SO JUST LOOKING AT A GENERAL ADJUSTMENT, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS SINCE THE WORK SESSION ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS THE CURRENT MORE BOUNDARIES IS ON THE RIGHT HAND POSSIBLE ADJUSTMENT BASED ON DISCUSSIONS.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT GROWTH, LOOKING AT CLEARLY DEFINED BOUNDARIES AND LOOKING AT COMBINING, UM, KEEPING NEIGHBORHOODS INTO ONE WARD.

SO I'LL JUST KIND OF, I WANT TO PREFACE THIS FOR, LET'S SAY THIS IS JUST KIND OF A ROUGH DRAFT IS NOT THE FINAL PLAN THAT BY NO MEANS, BUT LOOKING AT THE ADJUSTMENTS.

UM, SO WARD ONE OF THE BIGGEST ADJUSTMENTS OR ONE OF THE BIGGEST AREAS THAT SHOULD SAY WORK THREE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ALL IN TOWNSHIPS SEVEN.

YOU LOOK AT ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED BLUE.

SO WE HAVE TO MOVE THOSE AREAS INTO NEW BOARDS.

AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING IN THAT AREA, THE OLD TOWN AREA, THE GANTT AREA, UM, AND TRENT PARK AREA, MOVING THAT INTO WARD ONE, THE REMAINDER OF THAT WAR THREE AREA, UH, WHICH IS THE BURN WITHOUT THE, SORRY ABOUT THAT TYPE OF BURN VILLAGE PARK AREA.

AND TRY ON THE STATE DEPARTMENT, MOVING THAT INTO WAR, GIVING THAT WELL-DEFINED AREA, TRENT ROAD SEVEN STREETS IN MLK BOULEVARD.

THEN WE NOTICED FROM THE LAST CENSUS, THERE WAS THIS ONE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA THAT KIND OF GOT SPLIT UP AND PUT INTO WAR FOR PULLING THAT INTO WAR, WHICH IS SURROUNDED BY IT.

AND THEN WE HAD IT AND LOOKING AT THE DATA WARDS SIX WAS OVER.

SO WE NEEDED TO TAKE SOME POPULATION AGAIN, CLEARLY DEFINED THE BOUNDARIES WHERE WE'RE GOING TO USE HIGHWAY 70 AND PULL WARD SIX TO THE SOUTH OF WEST, THE PORT OF HOW IS 70.

SO WHERE TO PUT THOSE TWO AREAS.

SO THE BURN VILLAGE REPURPOSING TO PUT IN THE WARD FOUR, AND THEN AGAIN ON HIGHWAY 55, THERE WAS SOME AREA THAT KIND OF JUST JOTTED OUT NEXT TO THE HOSPITAL, UM, KIND OF CLEANING UP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SPLIT AND PUT IT INTO WARD FIVE AGAIN, CLEARLY DEFINED AN AREA AND WARD FOUR WITH ANOTHER AREA THAT GROOVES RAPIDLY AND HAD OVERPOPULATION USING NEWS BOULEVARD AS A DEFINING BOUNDARY AND MOVING WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF NEUSE BOULEVARD INTO WARD FIVE AND TAKING IT OUT OF THE BOARD FOR SAME SOURCE OF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WAR SIX USES THAT OTHER PIECE, THE, UM, IS FLIPS UP THE VILLAGE OF THE WOODS, UM, COMMUNITY COMBINING THAT ALL

[00:35:01]

INTO WAR TWO.

AND THEN THESE ARE AREAS AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO BE A WARDEN ONE, WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS POPULATION TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PICK UP POPULATION.

AND AGAIN, DEFINING A CLEAR AREA USING KIND OF A SUNNY SIDE CLEVELAND PARK NATIONAL COURT AREA, PULLING THAT INTO WARD ONE ALL THE WAY UP TO JACK CREEK AREA AND THE RAILROAD.

SO THAT WOULD GIVE ALSO, UM, PULLING NEIGHBORHOODS FOR WARD FIVE INTO REWARD, WANTING TO WORK UP.

AND THAT INCLUDED THE PAVING DOWN AREA DOWN TO CEDAR STREET WEST FROM CHAPMAN STREET TO WESTBURY.

AND THEN THERE'S THIS ONE LITTLE POCKET THERE WAS KIND OF JUTTING OUT, WHICH IS JUST TO THE EAST OF CRAVEN TERRACE APARTMENTS.

WE WERE JUST PROPOSING TO PUT THAT INTO MORE, TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT AREA SO THAT CITIZENS WOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WHAT BOARD THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN.

AND THAT'S, AGAIN, JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS ON TOP.

YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY HAVE, AND JUST BASED ON WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS WASN'T TO GET OUT OF SOME OF THE 10% RULE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, A ROUGH DRAFT.

SO I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER.

UM, CAN YOU TAKE THE SLIDE BACK A COUPLE? UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS 10.

IS THAT PUTTING ROUNDTREE? UM, IN MY MORE, THE FULL SIDE OF IT, SO I'M SORRY, ON 10, THE NEXT SIDE OF IT.

SO THAT'S GIVING ME, THAT'S PUTTING ROUND TREE ALL THE WAY, ALL THAT ONTO MY SIDE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

CEDAR IN BROAD ROUNDTREE TREATMENT, CORRECT? THE AREA PRINCE CEDAR STREET, BROAD STREET, AND THEN USED TO WEST WOULD BE AROUND THREE TO WESTERN.

AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, UM, UH, OVER WHAT WAS TRANSFERRED FROM ME TO WARD FIVE OF THE AREA BY THE HOSPITAL.

AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THE BOUNDARY CAUSE THERE WAS LIKE A LITTLE JUT AREA RIGHT HERE.

SO THE HOSPITAL IS ACTUALLY THEIRS, LOOKING AT A SITE PLAN FOR THE HOSPITAL AND THEY'RE KIND OF LOOKING HOW THEY'RE GROWING AND STUFF KIND OF FIND THAT WARD FIVE BOUNDARY WOULD GO UP TO THE HOSPITAL AND YOUR BOUNDARY WOULD COME UP TO THE, INCLUDE THE HOSPITAL AND WHERE THERE IS POTENTIAL TO GROW.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ALICE, MY ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD AND, UM, I'M IN HARRIS, WE DIDN'T HAVE CHANCE TO HAVE THAT MEETING THAT DAY.

UM, WAS THE TROLLEY RUN NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WHEN THEY SPLIT UP THREE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TROLLEY RUN IS REALLY CONSIDERED PART OF GANTT.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE THAT KIND OF SPLITTED THERE.

SO IF YOU'LL GO YEAH, RIGHT THERE, SEE, UM, IT'S SPENCER AND RAN AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL TROLLEY RUN.

ISN'T IT.

BACK IN THEIR TROLLEY RUN IS ACTUALLY LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

TROUT TROLLEY RUN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS NOT, UNLESS WE CHANGED THAT, REMEMBER WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.

OH YEAH.

YOU SEE WHERE, UM, YEAH, THIS IS KIND OF A BIG SCALE.

I WOULD SAY OUR ONLINE, I KNOW THE MANAGER HAD ASKED FOR US TO FLIP STUFF BY FIVE MINUTES, TILL FIVE, I FOUND OUT THAT OUR ONLINE MAPS HAD GONE DOWN SO WE COULD CERTAINLY PROBABLY RUN IT.

ACTUALLY WE'RE AVENUE PROBABLY RUNS AT THE END OF, UM, LIKE PARK AND YEAH.

SO THAT'D BE LIKE THE TREND SO THAT, UM, WHEREAS WHERE IT'S TRENT ROAD.

YOU MAY HAVE INCLUDED IT.

SPENCER RAN INTO THAT.

THEN I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE ANYTHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN YOUR WARD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE CONTIGUOUS.

SO I AM WHERE AUTOMATE FASTER, CORRECT? THE ALL OVER HERE, OVER HERE.

AND THEN SO WHEN THEY LIKE SPLIT IT TRENT ROAD, SO YOU GOT THAT WAY AND THEN TROLLEY RUN IN THAT ALL OF THIS CAME INTO THE FIRST MAP, IS THAT THE UPDATE? HOW DO WE GET TO THE, OH, THIS IS THE OLD, THIS IS THE CURRENT CURRENT CURRENT.

AND IT SHOULD BE IN DISPENSER AVENUE.

THEY HAVE THEIR MEETINGS TOGETHER.

AND SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

I JUST WANT TO, I WOULD THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONTIGUOUS.

AND PART OF THE WHOLE, WE CAN LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

YOU TALKED, YOU WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING FROM HERE.

I'M CONFUSED ON THAT MAP WHEN SHE LOOKS AT A MAP TO SHOW TROLLEY, RUN

[00:40:01]

THAT.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING TRYING TO KEEP THAT AS PART OF AGAIN, CARRIER.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT MANY MORE THAN ONE GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SEVENTH STREET.

IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO TAKE THIS PART, WHATEVER THIS ROAD IS, LET ME KEEP, THEN IT MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POPULATION NUMBERS DO.

THAT'S WHY SHE NEEDS TO WHEN BARBARA AND I WERE THERE THAT DAY, BASICALLY AS SHE MOVED LINES AND SAID, OKAY, YOU NOW HAVE THIS MANY PEOPLE, YOU HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN IT DETERMINED WHICH WAY WE WENT, CORRECT DALLAS THAT'S RIGHT.

WE WERE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.

AND SO, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU CAN GET TO IT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE GET AND YOU COULD SEE WHERE THEY'RE NOT PERFECT, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO BE PERFECT BECAUSE WARDS DON'T GROW THE SAME.

UM, SO THIS PRETTY WELL GETS US PRETTY CLOSE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT TO SAY WE CAN'T TWEAK HERE OR THERE, BUT I THINK THIS CLEARLY DEFINES AREAS THAT MAKE THEM EASY TO UNDERSTAND.

UM, AND IT GIVES US THE NUMBERS, RACIAL BREAKDOWN.

AND UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A ROUGH DRAFT.

WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED.

I'LL START OR MR. HUGHES, UH, TIMELINES HERE.

WE DO HAVE CERTAIN, I WOULDN'T CALL IT URGENCY, BUT WE DO HAVE TO LIVE ON WITH THIS MR. DAVIS.

YES, SIR.

WE, UM, WE, THE, THE STATUTE THAT PUSHES THE ELECTION TO NEXT YEAR REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND I KNOW THIS BOARD WAS GOING TO HAVE ONE AT ANY RATE.

UH, ANYWAY, UM, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IN THE EVENT THAT DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING, YOU HEAR SOMETHING THAT CAUSES US TO REQUIRE, UM, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS.

UM, SO IF, UM, IF WE THINK THAT WE ARE CLOSED AT THIS POINT, THAT WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT REGULAR BOARD MEETING, I KNOW THERE'S A DISCUSSION TO BE HAD.

IT SOUNDS LIKE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO, I'VE NOT HEARD ANYONE ELSE COMMENT TO KNOW IF THERE ARE OTHER DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD, BUT IF WE'RE DOWN TO A FEW STREETS, UM, THEN IT MAY BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A GOOD MAP A WEEK OR SO BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT EVERYONE CAN THINK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT.

AND WE CAN HAVE A PRODUCTIVE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN YOU DO PUBLIC HEARING THOUGH, I THOUGHT DON'T, WE HAVE TO ADD A MEETING CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT MEETING, OR WE CAN DO THAT.

NOW I DO THAT JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY.

HERE WE ARE TALKING BETTER ON TV, WHICH IS THE MOST TRANSPARENT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING.

ME AND ALL DIFFERENT VESTS NEED TO KNOCK? YES.

MA'AM.

WE CAN ALSO MAKE BIG MAPS AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND CITY HALL OR WHEREVER YOU DEEM NECESSARY.

WE CAN MAKE THEM AVAILABLE SOME OF THE COMMUNITY CENTERS AS WELL.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

UH, ALICE, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS THE COLUMNIST SAYS PERCENT OF DEVIATION.

UM, IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT CORRECTLY, WARD ONE, THREE, AND FIVE ARE SLATED TO BE BELOW WHATEVER THAT STANDARD DEVIATION WOULD BE.

AND THEN TWO, FOUR, AND SIX WOULD BE OVER.

MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH, THE SKINNIER TO HAPPEN IN WARD FOUR, WITH THE APARTMENTS AND HOUSES WITH DR.

HORTON AND ANNOUNCEMENT.

UM, BILL OAKS IS ALREADY PERMITTED FOR WARD SIX.

SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN WE'VE WITH AUTO MASTERS OR BEING BELOW.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

CAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE GROWTH OUT IN THAT WAY.

THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN.

IS THERE A CONCERN ON BEHALF OF STAFF AND, AND COUNCIL THAT WE'VE GOT WARDS THAT WE KNOW HAVE ALREADY HAVE THEY ALREADY HAVE PLANNED GROWTH AND WE'RE ALREADY OVER THAT NUMBER.

YEAH, WE WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT IN A MAP THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER.

WE MAPPED OUT ALL THE, THE REDEVELOP, OUR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITH THE CONCLUDING HOUSING AND MULTI-FAMILY AND UM, YEAH, WAR THREE IS JUST CRAZY.

SO PROBABLY AT THE NEXT CYCLE, I WON'T BE HERE.

I'LL PASS THAT ON TO SOMEONE ELSE.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO END UP, YOU KNOW, SPLITTING WARD FOUR IN OR THREE, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE FUTURE ADJUSTMENTS SO THAT I AM WHERE WE DID IT 10 YEARS AGO.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS YOU KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, TO BURN, UH, AND CAROLINA COLOR AND ALL THAT WE'RE TO TAKE OFF THEM.

NOT REALLY SURE HOW WELL THEY TOOK OFF, BUT WE HAVE REALLY GROWN IN.

THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO YOU.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENSUS DATA CREPEY COUNTY AND ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN IT ACTUALLY LOST POPULATION NEWBURN GREW BY ALMOST 70%.

SO THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE BOARD AND THE STAFF THAT WORKED FOR YOU.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

SO WE CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

UM, HOW WOULD THAT WORK IF

[00:45:01]

MA'AM IT WOULD BE BEST IF YOU COULD DO THAT FROM THE NEXT WEEK SO THAT WE HAVE A GOOD SEVEN DAYS WHEN YOU POST THE MAT.

YES, MA'AM EXACTLY, EXACTLY THE SOONER, THE BETTER.

UM, AND TO ANSWER THE MAYOR'S QUESTION, THE FIRST DEADLINE WE HAVE, UM, IS NOVEMBER 17TH.

I WOULD LOVE TO HIT THAT DEADLINE.

UM, THAT GIVES US A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER, IF EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, YOU CAN ADOPT THE RESOLUTION WITH THE NEW DISTRICTS.

UM, IN OCTOBER, IF WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF TIME IN OCTOBER.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE ON A TRAJECTORY TO, TO HIT THAT DEADLINE JUST FINE.

DOES THE BOARD WILL MAKE A, YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM, DO YOU WANT TO, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? YES, SIR.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE SEPTEMBER CLERK, SEPTEMBER 28TH AT 6:00 PM.

SO MOTION AND SECOND IS EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION? ANY DISCUSSION ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH AND BENGAL.

UM, DURMAN BINGO.

OUT A WOMAN HARRIS ASKED HER MAY OUTLAWS ORDER MACKENZIE.

YES, YES, YES, YES.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM, NUMBER 15 FOR THE BIG DISTRICT KIDS AND STUFF IT'S GOT ON NUMBER

[16. Consider Adopting a Resolution to Extend Construction Hours for JH Batten Design Builder at the U- Haul Project Site.]

SIX, 10.

NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERED A RESOLUTION TO EXTEND CONSTRUCTION HOURS FOR J H BATON DESIGN DONOR AT THE U HALL PROJECT SITE.

U HALL IS BUILDING A NEW STORAGE FACILITY AT 41 34, DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR BOULEVARD, THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE PROHIBITS CONSTRUCTION BEYOND THE HOURS OF 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD, THE CONSTRUCTION SUPERINTENDENT FINDS IT NECESSARY TO PERFORM WORK.

CERTAIN WORK SUCH AS DRILLING OUTSIDE OF THESE HOURS AND IS REQUESTING AN EXEMPTION FROM THE NORTH NOISE ORDINANCE.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SCOTT, I THINK I ASKED YOU THIS ON THE NEWER MARKETPLACE, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WE CAN ALWAYS RESEND THIS, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO ABSTAIN CONSTRUCTION HOURS FOR JJ BATON DESIGNED TO GO TO YOU HALL PROJECT SITE.

AND SECOND IS THERE DISCUSSION.

SEE, NOW THE SEPARATE ROLL CALL WAS STARTING WITH ALTIMA ODOM.

ALDERMAN THE ASK OUT A WOMAN HARRIS.

UH, USE THIS BUILDING WELL AND PROVIDING SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY.

MOTION CARRIES.

[17. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving an Amendment to the Covenant of Use for 205 First Street.]

SURE.

THE NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE COVENANT OF USE FOR 2 0 5 FIRST STREET.

THE COVENANT OF USE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION FOR THE PROPERTY AT 2 0 5.

FIRST STREET IS BEING AMENDED TO ADD APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF ACRES TO THE PROJECT.

THE INITIAL KEVIN AND A NOOSE APPROVED BY THE BOARD IN SEPTEMBER, 2017 DID NOT ACCURATELY OR FULLY DESCRIBE ALL OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE DESIGNATED.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

NO.

THE QUESTION OF THE MS. MARY I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE AMENDMENT TO THE COVENANT OF USE FOR 2 0 5 FIRST STREET, SECOND MOTION.

AND THE SECOND WAS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE, THE SAUDI ROYAL COUGH STRONGLY WITHOUT HIM, HOW TO RUN BAGEL? YES.

OUT A WOMAN.

HARRIS ALDERMAN ASKED HER YES.

[18. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving the Conveyance of Tax Parcel ID 8- 004- 004 to Religious Community Services.]

ON NUMBER 18.

NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CONVEYANCE OF PROPERTY TO RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES AS DISCUSSED IN THE PAST THE CITY DISASTER TRANSFER TAX PARTIAL ID EIGHT DASH 0 4 0 0 4.

ALSO KNOWN AS NINE 20 GEORGE STREET AND THE CURB MARKET TO RCS, RCS, MZ ADJACENT PARCEL, AND CAN USE THIS ADDITIONAL SPACE IN THEIR OPERATIONS BACK UP INFORMATION WAS EMAILED TO YOU EARLIER TODAY, AND IT'S ALSO AVAILABLE AT YOUR SEATS.

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

IF THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M SO PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS MOTION, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN THREE YEARS OF OF WORK AND TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE EVEN BEFORE THEN, BUT I WANT TO THANK, UM, SCOTT DAVIDSON, HIS STAFF, OR HELPING US AS WELL AS ZAPPA HUFF, WHO I SEE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES.

UM, ZAP, I HOPE THAT YOU,

[00:50:01]

YOU WERE THE RIGHT GROUP TO HAVE IT.

AND, UM, I JUST SEE GOOD THINGS IN THE FUTURE.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH WITH THAT SAID I'D LIKE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE CONVEYANCE OF TAX PARCEL ID EIGHT DASH 0 0 4 DASH 0 0 4 TO RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES.

SO, OKAY.

MARCI, SAME.

IS THERE DISCUSSION? UH, I DO WANNA MENTION THAT, UH, EARLIER ON BINGLE MENTIONED SISTER PARKER.

AT THAT TIME, EVERY TIME SISTER PARKER SELF SUDDENLY NEEDED TO BE DONE A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF TOMMY, KAREN WAS RIGHT THERE MAKING IT HAPPEN.

AND TOMMY BEING VERY INVOLVED IN HOME BUILDERS AND MORE REALTORS HERE IN NEWBURN MADE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN ON THAT CORNER.

AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO LIFT HIM UP.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY RECOGNIZE THEM.

LONNIE FRIGID WAS THE HOME BUILDERS, THE LOCAL HOME BUILDERS IN NEWBURN WHO ALL, UM, DONATED THEIR SERVICES AND WHATEVER TO, TO MAKE THAT BUILDING HAPPEN SO THAT, UM, THERE COULD BE A SOUP KITCHEN THERE TO FEED OUR HUNTERS.

SO I'M NUMBER 18, IF WE'RE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AND WE'LL ROLL CALL WITH OUR, WITHOUT THEM AUTHOR IN THE ITEM.

OUTER MENDEZ.

ORDERING KINSEY MAY OR HOW LONG I WOULD'VE BEEN ASKED HER AUTO WOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN BINGO.

CAN I ON PANTS

[19. Consider Adopting a Resolution Declaring a 1999 Sutphen Aerial Platform as Surplus Property and Authorizing Electronic Sale. ]

IS A NUMBER 19.

SO IT WAS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION DECLARE HIM THE 1999 SUTPHIN AERIAL PLATFORM, HIS SURPLUS PROPERTY, AND AUTHORIZED AN ELECTRONIC CELL.

THE CITY UNDER THE 19 99 7 AERIAL PLATFORM, FIRE APPARATUS THAT IS NO LONGER NEEDED.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I DO.

UM, MR. CITY MANAGER, WILL THERE BE A MINIMUM STARTING BID ON THAT? THERE WILL BE, THE MINIMUM WILL BE AT $45,000.

AND WHAT DO WE DO IF WE DON'T GET 45,000 DONATED TO A TOWNSHIP OR THIS PLACE? YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN LOWER THE MINIMUM BID OR THE BOARD HAS RECOMMENDATIONS ON DONATION.

WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AT THAT TIME.

UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE TO COME, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY, UH, UH, SOMEWHAT, SOMEWHAT REMISS TO BE VOTING FOR THIS BEING THAT THIS A 1999 MILE, THE ALTERNATIVE IS A RETROFIT, WHICH BOBBY WAS WHAT? OVER 200,000.

NO, IT WAS MORE THAN NINE.

AND I DID SPEAK WITH THE, WITH THE FIRE CHIEF EARLIER TODAY AND HE INFORMED ME THAT IT WAS APPROXIMATELY $600,000 FOR, OR AN OUTFIT THAT WOULD GIVE APPROXIMATELY 10, 10 ADDITIONAL.

THAT WAS THE MAIN CONCERN I HAD WAS THE NUMBER OF YEARS EXTENDED LIFE.

SO HYPOTHETICALLY, IF YOU GOT 25 YEARS OUT, IT, YOU STILL GOT A 50 YEAR OLD FIRETRUCK.

SO I GUESS THAT'S THE WAY, THE WAY IT'S GOING IS I'LL HAVE FOLLOW THEM UP FIRE CHIEF HERE TO GUIDE ME ON THINGS.

AND THAT, THAT PRICE, IF I'M NOT BATTLING THE STEAK AND WOULD NOT RE WOULD NOT REPAIR OR REPLACE THE ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION AND CORRECT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO BELABOR IT.

IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HATE TO, FOR WHAT THOSE THINGS COMPS, YOU NEED TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE SERVICE ANY EARLIER.

YOU HAVE TO.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION DECLARING A 1999 STUFF AND AERIAL PLATFORM THAT WAS PURCHASED BY ME AS SURPLUS PROPERTY AND AUTHORIZE THE ELECTRONIC SALE.

DO YOU NEED A SECOND? GOT A SECOND.

OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION SEEING THEM IN SEVERAL TRIALS, STARTING WITH ELEMENT BENGAL.

ALDERMAN ASKED HER YES.

MAY OR OUTLAW OTTERMAN KINSEY OUTER MENDEZ.

ALDERMAN IVAN.

NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING ADDITIONAL STREETLIGHTS FROM MARGARET COURT ARREST AND TASK REQUEST.

[20. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving Additional Streetlights for Margret Court. ]

ADDITIONAL STREETLIGHTS STAFF EVALUATED THE REQUEST AND DETERMINED THE AREA DOES NOT MEET THE CITY'S LIGHT STANDARD AND RECOMMENDED THE ADDITION OF TWO STREET LIGHTS.

THE INSTALLATION OF THOSE LIGHTS WILL COST $3,832 34 CENTS.

AND A MONTHLY UTILITY CHARGE FOR SERVICE WILL BE $20, 28 CENTS PER LIFE MEMO FROM MR. BURCHARD IS ATTACHED.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR HIM.

QUESTIONS.

MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION APPROVING ADDITIONAL STREET LIGHTS FOR MARGARET COURT.

WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THERE'S A BIRD DISCUSSION SEEING NONE.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ON THE NOTE OF HALDEMAN EDITOR.

[00:55:01]

[Items 21 - 24 (Part 1 of 2)]

21.

MA'AM THE 21, 22 23.

AND UH, JUST 21 TO 23, 24.

SO WE DO THEM ALL TOGETHER.

SO GO RIGHT AHEAD IF YOU WILL.

OH, NO, I JUST WANTED TO ASK.

OH YES.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO 21 THROUGH 24 ALTOGETHER.

I'LL SECOND.

WE HAVE MOST OF THEM.

SECOND.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION, SEVERAL CALL STAR DEVELOPMENT.

ALDERMAN BINGO.

OTHER WOMAN HERE IS ORDERING THE ASTER MAYER.

OUTLAW ORDERING KINSEY OUTER MENDEZ.

MOTION CARRIES ITEM

[25. Consider Adopting an Ordinance Amending Chapter 70 " Traffic and Vehicles" toAdd Article VII. " Golf Carts on Public Streets". (Part 1 of 2)]

NUMBER 25.

MR. MAYOR, WE DIDN'T GO OVER WITH THOSE FIVE WORDS.

NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 70 TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES TO ADD ARTICLE SEVEN GOLF CARTS ON PUBLIC STREETS.

INTEREST WAS EXPRESSED IN ALLOWING THE OPERATION OF GOLF CARTS ON PUBLIC CITY STREETS WITH A SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES PER HOUR OR LESS WITH WITHIN THE GOLF COURSE, COMMUNITIES OF CAROLINA COLORS TO BURN OUT IN THE ORDINANCE WILL AMEND CHAPTER 70 TO ADD AN ARTICLE THAT WILL ALLOW SUCH OPERATION AND ESTABLISHED REGULATIONS, ENFORCEMENT, AND A CIVIL PENALTY FOR VIOLATORS OPERATORS WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CURRENT VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE, A VALID MOTOR VEHICLE INSURANCE POLICY FOR THE GOLF CART AND SPECIFIED SAFETY FEATURES ON THE GOLF CART.

[Items 21 - 24 (Part 2 of 2)]

I WAS JUST ASKING IF WE COULD DO THEM TOGETHER.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WATCHING WHAT THESE RESOLUTIONS WERE IN REGARDS TO AMENDING THE NEGATIVE NATION FOR AGENTS FOR THESE DIFFERENT HURRICANES.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO SAY IT.

I JUST KNOW WE DIDN'T SAY IT REAL LOUD OR WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO.

NO.

THE PARAGRAPH THAT THE CITY MANAGER USUALLY SAYS, HE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SAY IT.

WOULD YOU LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DISCUSS IT? SO BASICALLY WHAT THE, ALL OF THOSE DECORATIONS ARE.

THOSE WERE DONE SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

UH, THE STAFF THAT WERE NOT, UH, WERE THERE AT THE TIME ARE NO LONGER HERE.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY DOING THESE DECLARATIONS TO ADD A SENIOR ACCOUNTANT AND THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER TO ALL THOSE DECORATIONS TO ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO SIGN THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK.

[25. Consider Adopting an Ordinance Amending Chapter 70 " Traffic and Vehicles" toAdd Article VII. " Golf Carts on Public Streets". (Part 2 of 2)]

AND ON 25, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE, ON THE GOLF COURSE? WELL, I'M SURE THEY'LL BASE ON, UH, UH, SO YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, IF THEY MOTORIZED CAR, TRUCK IS UNLICENSED, UNINSURED, UH, EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT, ET CETERA.

I, I GUESS THERE'S A ROBUST PLAN FOR ACTION, UH, FOR MAITLAND AND SUCH IN FRACTION.

SO ARE WE GOING TO ALSO IMPOSE SIMILAR GUIDELINES FOR PROTOCOL, WITH RESPECT TO PEOPLE RIDING DOG PARKS ARE GOING TO BE ON OFFER ON THE SIDEWALLS? OR COULD SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THAT? HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE ENFORCED? YES.

GOT IT.

I APOLOGIZE.

I KNOW YOU SENT THIS TO THE ALDERMAN AND ASKED HER AND MYSELF AND I REVIEWED THE POLICY, BUT ONE THING THAT I FAILED TO MENTION, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO ENUMERATE THE STREETS WITHIN, TO BURN ON CAROLINA COLORS.

AND GREENBRIER IS THE ONLY STREETS THAT THIS WOULD BE AUTHORIZED ON.

UM, WE DID THE, WE DESCRIBED THEM BY, BY NEIGHBORHOODS STREETS CONTAINED WITHIN THE THREE GOLF COURSE COMMUNITIES.

THAT WAY, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES WITHIN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHEN THERE'S NEW STREETS ADDED, THEY WOULD BE PRECISELY, PRECISELY.

AMENDING CHAPTER 70 TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES TO ADD ARTICLE SEVEN GOLF CARTS ON PUBLIC STREETS.

WRITING AN ANSWER.

SO, BUT ANYWAY, LET'S PLEASURE HERE.

THE MAYOR, I'LL JUST SAY I'VE BEEN ON THE POOR FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS.

I'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT ABOUT A GOLF CART TO BEGIN WITH IN GREEN BAR.

NO, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR AS WHAT WE HAD WHEN THAT PRESS RELEASE WENT OUT AND SAYING IS THEY COULDN'T DO IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHEN IT GOT UGLY FOR ME.

UM, UH, WE HAD TO ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE TO, TO PROTECT THE GUYS THAT, AND MEN AND WOMEN THAT WERE IN THE GOLFING COMMUNITY TO KEEP FROM GETTING TICKETS.

BUT AS SOON AS THAT PRESS RELEASE WENT OUT SAYING IT WAS AGAINST THE LAWS TO DO IT.

I PROBABLY RECEIVED THREE PHONE CALLS IN TWO DAYS.

YOU KNOW, HOW AM I GOING TO GET TO MY GOLF CART TO THE GOLF COURSE NOW? SO I WELCOME THE ORDINANCE.

NOW IT GIVES THEM SOME PROTECTION AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ADOPT AN ORDINANCE

[01:00:01]

SO I HAD A QUESTION, UM, JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY, THIS WILL NOT AFFECT IF WE HAVE EVENTS LIKE WE DID WITH JUNETEENTH TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE ORANGE.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? SAME ON THE SEVERAL CAL VELVET ODOM, ALDERMAN ITEMS. YES.

ALDERMAN ASKED HER OUT A WOMAN.

HARRIS ALDERMAN.

APPOINTMENT STARTED WITH ARMAND BENGAL.

MOTION CARRIES THIS GOOGLE

[26. Appointment(s).]

NONE TONIGHT, SIR.

OUR WOMAN HAIRS TONIGHT, MAN OLDER MAN ASKED HER.

I DO, SIR.

LIKE TO APPOINT, UH, UH, MR. TONY, BRIAN, GET TO THE HPC.

SECOND.

IS THERE DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR? SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

UM, ANY OTHER APPOINTMENTS TONIGHT? THAT IS IT SARAH.

ALL THE BEST ALDERMAN NUNS.

NICER ATTORNEY.

REPORT A FEW THINGS TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, AN INTRODUCTION TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM.

ATTORNEY'S REPORT OR NOTHING.

REPORT FROM THE MAYOR.

CITY MANAGERS

[28. City Manager's Report.]

I'M HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE ARE STARTING UP NEWBURN 1 0 1, WHICH IS BASICALLY OPEN TO THE CITIZENS.

IF YOU'RE 15 OR OLDER AND WANT TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHAT THE CITY OF NEWBURGH DOES, WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS DO.

WE'RE GOING TO OFFER A SEVEN WEEK COURSE.

WE'LL START LITERALLY AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, GO FOR SEVEN WEEKS.

IT'LL BE ABOUT TWO TO TWO AND A HALF HOURS.

EACH SESSION WHERE WE'LL HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND STAFF WILL MEET WITH THE CITIZENS.

UH, THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS.

UH, WHAT ADMINISTRATION DOES, WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT DOES.

WE'LL ALSO HAVE SOME OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THINGS.

THE FINAL LINE OF THIS, UH, PARTICIPANTS WILL NEED TO COME TO A BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AS WELL.

SO, UH, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITIZENS OF, OF OUR WONDERFUL CITY TO LEARN ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

UH, THERE IS AN APPLICATION PROCESS, UH, APPLICATIONS ARE AVAILABLE AT CITY HALL.

YOU CAN ALSO GO ONLINE TO OUR WEBSITE TO GET MORE INFORMATION, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PROGRAM.

THE GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THIS AT LEAST TWO TIMES A YEAR, DOING IT IN THE SPRING AND FALL.

AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR THIS, CORRECT.

JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THEIR, THEIR RESCUE PLAN FUNDING.

UM, WE, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 3 MILLION IN CHANGE IN OUR FIRST, UH, ALLOTMENT.

WE'RE EXPECTED TO GET THE 3 MILLION AND CHANGE MORE.

NEXT YEAR.

WE HAVE TO SPEND THOSE FUNDS BY THE END OF 2024.

SO WE STILL GOT TIME.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL MOVING TARGET IN TERMS OF WHAT ALL OF THESE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR.

UM, I THINK TANYA, UH, HARMS AND KIM OSTROM ARE GOING TO BE ATTENDING, UH, ANOTHER WORKSHOP IN OCTOBER WHERE WE HAVE BEEN PROMISED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MORE GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN SPEND THESE FUNDS ON.

NOW WE KNOW WE CAN SPEND IT ON WATER, SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, BROADBAND AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE EVERYONE, ALL THE, ALL THE COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY ARE LOOKING FOR MORE GUIDANCE.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT IN OCTOBER.

THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON, ON HOW THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ALLOCATE THESE FUNDS FOR WHAT PROJECTS.

BIDDING OF AN ARCHITECT, THE ARDUOUS LONG PROCESS OF GETTING THOSE PLANS AND THEN PUTTING IT OUT TO BID WITH A CONTRACTOR.

AND THE NEXT THING IS WE ARE GETTING READY TO START AT THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

AGAIN, AS WE KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING THE RECREATION CENTER OVER TO THE THIRD AVENUE LOCATION.

AND ALSO WE'RE ABOUT READY TO RELEASE.

RFQ IS FOUR TO REBUILD THE STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER.

UM, THIS IS A FEMA PROJECT.

SO THAT'S FEDERAL FUNDS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS.

SO WE DO HAVE TO MEET MINORITY AND WOMEN, WOMEN, BUSINESS OWNER BUSINESSES CRITERIA.

SO WE WILL BE REACHING OUT, UH, UH, LAURIE COLOGNES OR RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PURCHASING PART OF THIS.

SO SHE WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOTTING OUR I'S AND CROSSING OUR T'S AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.

UH, THERE ARE REALLY TWO TYPES OF WAYS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

ONE IS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK OR DESIGN BUILD, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE DESIGN BUILD PROCESS.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING YOU MAY HAVE.

WELL, I'M A PROPONENT OF THE DESIGN BILL BY ENGINEER, WHERE A BUILDER HAS OWN STAFF OR A CONTRACTOR ARRANGEMENT WITH A ENGINEER ARCHITECT THAT THEY CAN READILY GET IT STAMPED SEAL, WHERE WE CAN LIVE ON WITH THE PROCESS.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ANYBODY'S GUESS BETWEEN GOING OUT FOR THE USUAL

[01:05:01]

IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN GETTING A BUILDING BUILT QUICK, I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY QUICK, BUT OF SIMILAR QUALITY, UM, MUCH FASTER, IT WOULD BE DESIGNED BILL AND MAINLY MR. DAVIS, SHE COULD GIVE THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON BOTH IDEAS AND THE TIMELINES OF YES, SIR.

OPTION ONE IS THE TRADITIONAL METHOD.

THE CITY HIRES AN ARCHITECT ENGINEER.

UM, THEY DESIGN A BUILDING THAT TAKES A GREAT MANY MONTHS.

UM, ONCE THE PLAN SPECIFICATIONS ARE CREATED, THEN THE CITY WOULD, UM, UM, LET THE CONTRACT SEEKING BIDS, UM, TO GENERAL CONTRACTORS, SHE WOULD THEN BUILD THE BUILDING CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANS.

OPTION TWO, THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS WHERE A CONSTRUCTION FIRM HAS THEIR ARCHITECT IN HOUSE.

SO BOTH THINGS HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, IN THIS CASE, UM, UM, THAT THE COMMITTEE THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THE PROJECT, UM, AND THE, AND THE BOARD AND THE BOARD, UM, HAVE ALREADY, UM, BLESSED THE GENERAL DESIGN OF THE SHELL, RIGHT? THE SPACES AND THE GENERAL LOOK HAVE, HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED.

UM, BUT WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IS NOT BUILDABLE, BUT A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BECAUSE THE SIZE AND SCALE IN GENERAL APPEARANCE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.

SO THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, UM, MAINTAIN THAT MOMENTUM AND FIND A FIRM THAT CAN, UM, DESIGN IT AND BUILD IT.

WHAT THEY ALSO DO TOO, IS THEY CAN, THEY CAN ALSO DO IT IN PHASES.

THEY CAN DESIGN THE FOUNDATION, START POURING THE FOUNDATION WHILE YOU'RE STILL DESIGNING OTHER ELEMENTS.

SO YOU CAN DESIGN AND BUILD AT THE SAME TIME TO GET THE BUILDING DONE FASTER.

MA'AM IN REGARDS TO DOING, UM, A DESIGN TO BUILD.

UM, AND WHAT IF WE DECIDE TO GO THAT ROUTE, UM, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN REGARDS TO WHO THEY DECIDE TO HIRE, TO HELP BUILD.

YEAH, WE DO.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE FEDERAL LAWS THAT TIRE PROCESS.

YES MA'AM IT'S WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE STATE LAWS AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE THE FEDERAL LAWS UNDER OPTIONS, ONE AND TWO.

SO SAY I'M THE CONTRACTOR THAT GETS THE BID TO DESIGN AND DO EVERYTHING.

YOU STILL HAVE A RIGHT TO TELL ME WHO I'M GOING TO HIRE TO DO THE PROJECT.

THAT'S WHAT I WANT MY UNDERSTANDING ON.

THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THE FEDERAL, THE CONTRACTOR'S OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THOSE FEDERAL.

AND SO WHOEVER WE DO DECIDE TO GET, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WORK CLOSELY WITH, TO FILL THAT QUOTA, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT MINORITIES AND WOMEN ARE GETTING HIRED FOR THIS PROJECT, CORRECT.

OUR CONTRACT WITH THEM REQUIRED TO THEM TO FOLLOW THOSE RULES.

WE DON'T MOVE PIECES AROUND THE BOARD.

THEY HAVE TO SEE THAT THE CRITERIA SATISFIED IN FACT, AS STATED IN THE RFQ, CORRECT? YES.

CORRECT.

IS IT WHEN IT GOES OUT? I CAN GET A COPY OF THAT, JUST SO I HAVE FOR MY RECORDS.

AND, UM, OKAY.

THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE, UM, ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

UM, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY THEY HAVE MOVING FORWARD.

A FEW OF THE MEMBERS HAD A FEW QUESTIONS, SO I JUST, FOR TRANSPARENCY AND FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING AND LISTENING, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT STEPS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO BECAUSE A FEW OF THEM DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY NEED TO BE DOING MOVING FORWARD.

UH, SO BY ORDINANCE, THERE WERE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT THAT BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED TO DO.

IT'S GOT, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THIS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UM, BUT ONE WAS GATHERING PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH THAT WAS PART OF A PROCESS THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED.

STILL ACCEPTING PUBLIC INPUT IS ABSOLUTELY FINE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, COMING UP WITH PROGRAMS AND ACTIVITIES THAT COULD BE OFFERED IN THAT, IN THAT FACILITY, UH, ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF HENDERSON PARK, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD WITH DOING SOME WORK ON THE PARK AND UPGRADING THAT AS WELL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE REBUILDING OF THE RESTROOMS AND ADDING SOME MORE PLAY AMENITIES THERE, UM, FUNDRAISING TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO TAKE UP ANY ACTORS TO, TO RAISE FUNDS FOR SPECIAL PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OKAY.

AND THAT COMMITTEE WILL STAY IN EFFECT UNTIL THE RIVER CLUB THAT WILL STAY IN EFFECT UNTIL THE BUILDING IS BUILT.

RFP RFQ VERSUS A DESIGN BUILDER? IS THAT THE SAME RULES? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND SO WE HAVE NOT MET PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THE RECREATION CENTER, UH, LOCATION.

AND SO A MEETING WILL BE SCHEDULED COMING UP AND WE'RE GOING TO BASICALLY GET BACK ONTO THE SAME SCHEDULE WE WERE ON.

SO IT WILL BE A MONTHLY MEETING UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.

THANK YOU, SCOTT, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, THE MINI BROOKS ACT, HOW DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU COMPARE A TRADITIONAL ARCHITECT,

[01:10:01]

I DON'T WANT THE ANSWER TO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT REALLY RESTRICTS US.

IT'S NOT THE LOW BIDDER, IT'S OTHER QUALIFICATION OR SCIENCE LANGUAGE.

I, I, WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT, UM, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE DESIGN BUILD IS, IS A PURE MONEY, UM, LOADED AND PROCESSED, NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT QUALIFICATION.

THEN I CAME BACK TO YOU FOR SURE.

UM, PASTOR, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW TODAY, LATE THIS AFTERNOON, I HAD CONVERSATION WITH, UM, SOME FEMA DOT AND ROBERT FERGUSON.

AND, UM, BOTH OF THEM SAID THAT THIS FINISHED EVERYTHING IS GOOD AND YOU CAN PROCEED AND JUST START SUBMITTING INVOICES WHENEVER YOU HAVE ANY FANTASTIC.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T LET THIS GO ON WITHOUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS AGO TODAY, HURRICANE FLORENCE HIT NEWBURN.

IT'S, UH, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE TONS OF PROGRESS OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS OF GETTING OUR CITY BACK TO BACK TO NORMAL, AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.

AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT STARTING TO WORK ON THE STANDARD WIDE RECREATION CENTER AND GETTING THOSE PROGRAMS GOING AGAIN, ALLOWING THE YOUTH OF OUR COMMUNITY TO START EXERCISE IN THAT SPACE AGAIN, MR. DAVIS, WOULD YOU WALK THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD IN THE FORM OF A MOTION, OR DO YOU WANT ME TO MANAGER JUST TO GET DIRECTED AS TO HOW TO PROCEED WITH, UM, I THINK HE'S GOT THAT DIRECTION UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OBJECTIONS.

DO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO? WE WANT TO GET A BILL IN THE MAIL? YES, SIR.

I UNDERSTAND.

UH, I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.

SO WHEN THE, UM, BIDDERS COME IN, DO WE GET TO SEE THAT OR WHO'S GOING TO, CAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE WHAT RIGHT.

THE BOARD DETERMINES ON WHO WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH IN REGARDS TO STANLEY WHITE.

SO BASED ON THE, THIS WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

GOING TO LEAVE BUSINESS WITH ULTIMATE BENGAL.

IT WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD SINCE, SINCE THIS IS OVER, I BELIEVE $500,000.

WELL, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS, MAYBE QUESTIONING OR TALKING TO THESE INDIVIDUALS, OR IS THAT NOT HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS? UH, IT'S NOT PART OF THEIR PURVIEW BASED ON ORDINANCE STAFF TRADITIONALLY WILL, WILL BET THAT THAT INFORMATION WILL GET WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR CITY ENGINEER AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CITY MANAGER'S DESK? THAT'S IT FOR? LIKE, THAT'S

[29. New Business.]

UM, IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS.

IT SEEMED LIKE YESTERDAY, BUT IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS OF PUMPED UP ON MY MEMORIES TODAY.

MY FACEBOOK MEMORIES ALL DAY, I KEPT SEEING FLASHES OF THE WATER ALL AROUND NEWBURN.

AND, UM, IT WAS FUNNY.

I TRAVELED TO NEW YORK THIS PAST WEEKEND AND MY HOMETOWN SUFFERED THE FLOODING FATE OF, UH, IDA THAT JUST CAME THROUGH.

SO AS I WENT DOWN THE STREETS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT DID I SEE, BUT WHAT I SAW THREE YEARS AGO AND JUST SIDEWALKS PILE WITH WHAT INSULATION AND PEOPLE'S LOBS ON THE CORNERS.

AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I JUST DIDN'T REALIZE IT COULD COME BACK AGAIN, BUT I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR PEOPLE UP THERE.

IT'S A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE IN BASEMENT APARTMENTS.

THEY ARE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY LOST THEIR LIVES BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET OUT OF THE BASEMENT.

UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE TWO THINGS TO SPEAK TO TONIGHT.

UM, I HAVE, UM, TALKED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND, UM, ABOUT OUR SURPLUS PROPERTY AND HOW WE DO THAT.

SO, UM, CURRENTLY ANYTHING THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT SURPLUS THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY OR THE CITY AND COUNTY IT'S ON A LIST THAT'S BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T UPDATED.

I'VE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS CAUSE I'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ASKED OF ME ABOUT PROPERTY FOR SALE.

AND MY RESPONSE IS I'M SURE ALL OF OURS WOULD BE, IS, GO SEE THE CITY CLERK AND THE CITY CLERK CAN HANDLE IT FOR YOU.

WELL, I FOUND OUT THAT THE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY COULD NOT OFFER, MAKE AN OFFER ON IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON OUR QUOTE UNQUOTE SURPLUS LIST.

I WASN'T AWARE OF THIS.

SO I SPOKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND EXCUSE ME WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

AND HE SAID THAT IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE MAYBE 17 OR 16 SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

SO, UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS BEFORE THE BOARD, IF IT'S OKAY TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER TO START THAT PROCESS.

SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT, PUT THIS LIST TOGETHER.

SO THERE'S INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME, SOME BIDS ON PROPERTY OR POTENTIALLY PURCHASE PROPERTY THEY CAN.

SO, UH, IS THE BOARD OKAY WITH MAY ASK THEM TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS? I JUST THINK IT'S GOOD TO GET AN UPDATED LIST TO GET UP AND PUT NEW PROPERTIES THAT MAY NOT BE ON THE LIST ALREADY AND OPEN THAT UP FOR ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES WE MAY HAVE IN THAT IT'D BE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD FOR US

[01:15:01]

UM, AND THEN THE NEXT THAT I HAVE ON MY LIST, CHARLIE, UH, THEY'RE GETTING AHEAD OF ME ON THIS ONE.

SO, UM, I, I REVIEWED RECENTLY ALL THE LIGHTING REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN, ESPECIALLY IN THE DUFFY FIELD AREA AND REALIZING THAT LIGHTING IS REALLY A PROBLEM IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS.

UM, AND IT COVERS MYSELF, ALDERMAN HARRISON, ALDERMAN, UM, VEST, WARDEN, WE'RE CONSTANTLY ASKING FOR LIGHT UPGRADES.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE TOTAL BOUNDARY OF THAT INSTEAD OF PICKING OFF ONE HERE AND ONE THERE AND ONE THERE AND COME BACK TO US AND SAY, LOOK, WE HAVE ASSESSED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS AREA AND WE NEED LIGHTING HERE, HERE AND THERE.

AND LET'S JUST DO IT IN ONE FELL SWOOP.

I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A BETTER, A BETTER WAY TO DO IT.

THEN PICKING OFF ONE BY ONE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE KNOW ABOUT IT, SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND THIS WAY WE COULD GIVE ATTENTION TO THAT AREA THAT THAT REALLY PROBABLY COULD USE SOME ADDITIONAL LIFE.

SO WOULD THAT BE LIKE THE WORST THING I COULD ASK IS THAT A LOT OF WORK ON STAFF OR IT'S CERTAINLY FEASIBLE TO DO IT IN LARGER BLOCKS? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT I RECEIVE AS MANY COMPLAINTS AGAINST LIGHTING AND FOR LIGHT POLLUTION, UM, THAT I DO.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU LET THE MARKET DRIVE IT AND LET THE CITIZENS MAKE THOSE REQUESTS.

AND WE RESPOND TO THAT.

WELL, I THINK I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE THE STATE JUST FOR THE FACT, WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY LIGHT IT UP, BUT, BUT I THINK IF, IF WE COULD SEE WHAT IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL ESTIMATION IS A DIMLY LIT AREA THAT MAYBE WE COULD WORK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR WHATEVER.

I JUST FEEL THAT WE NEED TO GO AHEAD.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE PROACTIVE THAN REACTIVE AS HARSH STREETLIGHTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND THE REST OF THE BOARD MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT FEELING ON THAT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BE PROACTIVE.

WELL, ALL OF THEM BEING THE ONLY, UM, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT AS, UH, MR BOUCHARD SAID, THERE MAY BE SOME OF OUR CITIZENS THAT DON'T WANT THE, THE EXTRA LIGHTING.

UM, AND I ALWAYS BRING FORTH IF THERE'S A REQUEST FROM ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, IF THEY REQUEST IN FOR, TO HAVE THE LIGHT IN, RIGHT.

THAT'S WHEN I BRING IT FORTH.

CAUSE I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO KNOW THE DIMLY LIT AREA.

WE TRIED THIS, WE TRIED THIS 25 YEARS AGO AND WENT OUT AND STARTED SURVEY AND THEN STARTED PUTTING LIGHTS UP AND EVERYWHERE THAT THE, UM, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A WILLARD BEDWELL OR WHATEVER HIS NAME WAS, WAS THE DIRECTOR OF POLLING.

AND, AND WE WERE RECEIVING PHONE CALLS OF COMPLAINTS BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH LIKE I'M TELLING YOU IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LIGHT IN THE COMMUNITY, THIS THE CITIZENS GOING TO CALL, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL, UH, WE, WE CHANGED OUT SOME LIGHTS OVER IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WENT FROM WHATEVER THOSE ORANGY COLOR LIGHTS ARE TO THE LED LIGHTS.

AND I RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BRIGHT.

MY CONCERN IS THAT I'M HEARING.

UM, AND A LOT OF CASES THAT, THAT IS THE AREA THAT I'M SPEAKING TO.

UM, THEY'RE CONCERNED BECAUSE IT IS DARK.

THEY'RE CONCERNED FOR SAFETY.

THERE'S SOME ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE AREA, BECAUSE IT IS DARK.

THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO SAY I WANT A LIGHT RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE OR WHATEVER, BUT, BUT THE AREA, SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD PRACTICE IF WE COULD JUST KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO INSTALL ANYTHING.

WELL, MAYBE THAT'S A, MAYBE THAT'S A TARGET IN THE AREA THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN THOSE COMPLAINTS WRONG.

WELL, IT'S, IT'S SURROUNDED.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT.

I GUESS THAT'LL REMIND US ALL THAT.

THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THIS EVALUATION PROCESS.

FIRST IS THE STREET LIGHTING IS DESIGNED FOR THE ROADWAYS AND WE EVALUATE ON ROADWAY STANDARDS IF THEY DON'T SATISFY, IF THEY SATISFY THE ROADWAY STANDARD, MEANING THERE'S ENOUGH LIGHT THERE.

THEN IT GOES TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, MAKES AN OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A SAFETY.

SOMETIME THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COME TO YOU AND NOT A CITIZEN.

AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL SAY, WE THINK THERE SHOULD BE MORE LIGHT IN HERE.

DOES THAT EVER HAPPEN? I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HAD THAT REQUEST FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, MR. GEORGE, JEFF, WE HAD A MEETING, UM, A PRIMROSE COMMUNION, UH, YESTERDAY AND WE DISCUSSED A FEW

[01:20:01]

THINGS WITH, UM, SOME OF THE MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS WAS, UM, TRENT, IS IT TRENT ROAD OR TRENT DRIVE TRENT STREET.

UM, IT'S A ROAD THAT WAS INHERITED AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ASPHALT ON IT.

UM, AND GEORGE DID, UM, GET, GOT SOME INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE $90,000 TO GIVE IT ASPHALT AND NOT HAVE THE MILLINGS ON IT.

AND SO I WANTED TO KNOW, UM, HOW WE CAN GO ABOUT PROVIDING THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

UM, THEIR, THEIR CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE THEIR AREA TO BE BEAUTIFIED AS WELL.

UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE HISTORY OF THIS POSITION IN WAR TWO, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID THAT WAS GOING TO GO ON IN PRIM BROOK AND THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.

SO THEY'RE, THEY SAID THEY'RE VERY PATIENT AND THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF PHASE IN, YOU KNOW, GETTING STREETS, PUT IN, LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO RECTIFY THE DITCHING.

AND, UM, THIS WOULD BE KIND OF A GOOD FAITH.

I KNOW THAT WE ALLOCATED MONEY EARLIER THIS YEAR TO COMPLETE THAT, THAT, UM, ROAD ON OLD COUNTRY, OLD COUNTRY ROAD.

I CAN'T SAY IT.

CUT YOUR CLUB, UM, ROAD TO THE PART WHERE YOU WOULD GO INTO TRAMP WOODS.

UM, BUT I HAVE VISITED THIS, THIS STREET THAT'S OVER IN PREM BOOK AND WHEN IT RAINS, IT'S NOT A GOOD SITE.

AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF THE BOARD CAN SUPPORT THE PREM BRICK COMMUNITY AND ALLOCATE FUNDS TO GIVE THIS ROAD, UM, GET SOME ASPHALT IN THERE, UM, AND MAKE IT PERMANENT.

DID YOU SAY IT WAS A DIRT ROAD GEORGE WOULD SPEAK TO, AND I APOLOGIZE.

THE SECTION OF ROAD THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF IS TRENT IS ON, IS TRENT STREET IN BETWEEN PEMBROKE AVENUE AND MCKINLEY.

AND IT WAS AN UNDEVELOPED RIGHT AWAY.

IT WAS PLANTED AS RYAN WAS JUST UNDEVELOPED ROAD WAS NEVER BUILT.

HISTORICALLY THE AREA HAS BEEN USED FOR THE RESIDENTS ALONG THAT STREET, HIS DRIVEWAY, THEY HAD HAD GRAPPLED OUT.

IT WAS REQUESTED LAST YEAR.

UM, THEY DID SOME DUST CONCERNS WITH THE GRAVEL, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING.

SO WE WENT IN THERE AND PUT ASPHALT MAILINGS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR FACILITY ON IT AND PUT THE ROLLER OVER.

WE DID NOT WIDE NET.

WE DID NOT IMPROVE THE SUBGRADE.

WE JUST TRIED TO DO SOMETHING TO CONTROL THE DUST FOR THE RESIDENTS.

UM, AUTO WOMAN HARRIS ASSET THAT WE GOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GET A BUDGETARY CONSTRUCTION NUMBER TO BUILD 335 FEET OF ROAMING THROUGH THERE.

SO WE BASICALLY BUILDING HAVE TO BUILD A NEW SECTION OF ROADWAY.

IT'S A PLANTED SENIOR ISLAND.

SO IT'S A STREET FOR THE PUBLIC UCF.

WHEN DID WE ACQUIRE THAT? WHY WOULD WE HAVE TAKEN A STREET OVER? THERE'S NOT STREET LIAM.

WE ANNEX THAT AREA AND WE TOOK IT ASPEN.

GOT IT.

SO THERE WERE STREETS THAT WERE NOT CONSTRUCTED.

THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY, NO, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL IN PEMBROKE.

THERE ARE SOME OLD OUR PARK AVENUE THAT, THAT RUN ALONG THAT SECTION.

THERE, YOU FIND THOSE IN SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, JUST, THAT WAS MY, OH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

BUT WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED, UH, DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE, BUT THE STREET IS NOT DEVELOPED.

AND OUR RESPONSE TO THEM IS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T DO STREET, CORRECT? CORRECT.

OR IS THERE ANY RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE STREET? THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT BACKUP TO IT.

I BELIEVE TWO OF THE TWO OR THREE OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES USED IT FOR A BACKDROP WAY.

SO THERE'S NO HOUSES.

THERE'S NO HOUSES ON THE STREET.

MA'AM MARIJUANA ON THE HOUSES, NOT THE FRONT, THE FRONT.

UM, I BELIEVE FRONT THE OTHER STREETS YET.

THERE WAS NO ADDRESS.

THERE'S NO ADDRESS, CORRECT? CORRECT STREET, NO ADDRESSES.

WELL, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION AS PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.

UM, HUH.

I'M LEERY OF GOING DOWN THIS PATH JUST AS WHAT ALDERMAN ODOM SAID, THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN OUR POLICY HISTORICALLY TO CONSTRUCT RIGHTS IN THIS, UH, UNDEREDUCATED.

I MEAN, LIKE AND DEVELOP RIGHT AWAY JUST BECAUSE IT WAS PLAID 15 YEARS AGO, THIS IS DEDICATED, RIGHT, RIGHT.

OWNERSHIP OF THE CITY.

AND THEY WERE, THIS IS NOT A PRIVATE DEVELOPER THAT HAS IT, THAT AT SOME POINT IS GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO GRANT IT TO THE CITY AND THEN IT BECOME A CITY RIGHT AWAY.

SO THIS IS CITY RIGHT AWAY.

IT'S NOT IMPROVED BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT BACK IN THAT TIME PERIOD, MR. DAVID SILVER, SOME OF THE STREETS THAT WERE PRIVATE, THAT EVEN THERE'S QUESTIONS AS TO IF HE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PAID, BECAUSE THEY, I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, THIS IS ONE WHERE WE DO OWN RIGHT

[01:25:01]

AWAY, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY IF WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC DEDICATED RIGHT AWAY, UM, THAT WOULDN'T BE PAID ONE SALE.

WE HAVE A LOT, SIR.

WE HAVE A LOT AND THAT'S BEEN THE POLICY THAT IT'S KIND OF AN ALL OR NOTHING THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOT PAID WITH COMMUNITY BLOCK MONEY OR WHAT, UH, AT THE TIME, BUT THERE WAS A BIG PAYMENT PROCESS OVER THERE WHEN IT WAS ANNEXED TO THE CITY.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT MISSED, BUT, WELL, WE, WE JUST PAVED THE MAIN ROADS THAT THERE THAT WERE BEING USED.

I MEAN, THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, UH, I MEAN, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT'S A BACKDOOR DRIVEWAY, CORRECT.

LESBIAN, A BIT OF BACK DRIVEWAY AND THERE'S, THERE'S PROBABLY QUITE A FEW OF THEM LIKE THAT IN THAT COMMUNITY.

MAYBE I KNOW PROBABLY AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN IN PEMBROKE BETTER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL WOODED WITH THE ADJACENT LOSS.

WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING THEM.

WHAT WOULD WOULD GRAB HIM, UM, THAT, THAT DRIVEWAY, WE DID IT BECAUSE IT DOES CONCERN FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BUD.

AND I BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES AT GFL WHERE OUR ROUTE TRUCKS HAD PICKED UP ON THAT ROAD.

UM, AND IT WAS ALREADY CLEARED.

IT WAS ALREADY A GRAVEL ROAD.

WE DID NOT WIDEN IT OR IMPROVE IT ANY OTHER THAN PUT DOWN MILLIONS THAT WE HAD FROM A PRIOR JOB ON IT TO TRY TO CONTROL THE DUST.

WELL, WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU GORAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, BY THE DIRECTION OF THIS BOARD, OF COURSE, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT AREA, THEN I FEEL LIKE THERE'S OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS WELL.

AND I CAN SAY THE SAME FOR MY AREA, WHICH IS EAST AND WEST PLEASANT HILL.

AND I BROUGHT THAT TO THE BOARD BACK IN 2017, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE WITH IT.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TAXPAYER CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES AND WE GOT STREETS THAT THE CITY MAINTAINED STREETS, UM, NOT STREETS, BUT UNGRABBABLE, I MEAN, UNPAID STREETS.

AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.

MAYBE IT'S TIME, MAYBE IT'S TIME THAT WE GET A LIST OF ALL OF THE UNIMPROVED ROADS THAT ARE CITY ROADS.

AND LET'S LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE, POSSIBLY AS A BOND OR START MOVING THEM TOWARDS IN THE BUDGET YEARS.

BUT JUST TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO PICK ONE OUT AND PAVE IT RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY AT $90,000, HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU GET THIS YEAR FOR PAVEMENT 400.

BUT, BUT THAT, THAT NUMBER INCLUDES, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE A COMPLETE SOUTHERN GRAD.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE WE'RE BUILDING A NEW GARAGE.

WE'VE GOT THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMPLETE LIST OF ALL THE ROADS AND THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THAT THIS HAS HAD PHYSICAL ADDRESSES ON THESE ROADS.

AND LET'S LOOK AT MAYBE LIKE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BAR, I'M DOING A BOND, OUR NEXT BUDGET YEAR, WE CAN START INCLUDING THESE ROADS.

OH, UM, I APPRECIATE OTHER THINGS GO IN YOUR OFFICE.

WELL, GEORGE, UM, AT THIS POINT I WOULD APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU COULD PUT SOME OF THAT, YOU SAY MARILYN MILLER, ASPHALT MILLING, WHICH IS NO COST TO THE CITY, CORRECT? NO, W WE, WE RECEIVE IT BACK USUALLY WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, DO OUR FACE, IF, IF, UM, IF THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED TO EAST AND WEST PLEASANT HILL TO, TO INCLUDE THAT AREA FOR THE MAILING, BECAUSE WE, I HAVE RESIDENTS THAT LIVED ON THAT DIRT ROAD.

MA'AM.

WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

BUT THERE, YEAH, WE HAVE THEM.

MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO GET A LIST, BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE HISTORY, BROOKE HAS NOT GOTTEN A LOT OF THINGS IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT ROAD HAS NOT BEEN BUILT THE WAY THAT IT NEEDED TO WHEN IT WAS INHERITED OR, UM, BUT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND THINGS IN THEIR COMMUNITY, LIKE EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TICKET PRICE IS $90,000, BUT IT'S, IT'S A START TO MOVING FORWARD TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION AND ISSUES OF HAVING, UM, STREETS, ROADS, DIRT, ROADS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PAID.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE PRIMROSE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SHOULD BE PUT ON HOLD OR PUT TO THE SIDE SO WE CAN RESEARCH AND FIGURE OUT ALL OF THE ROADS AND DO A BOND.

I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS IN, IN THE, UM, GENERAL FUND TO BE ABLE TO ALLOCATE $90,000 MORE THIS YEAR TO GET THAT ROAD BUILT AND PAVED OUT IN YOUR DRIVEWAY.

BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT, THEY, I MEAN, IF YOU PROBABLY, I MEAN, I WOULD HATE TO ADD EXTRA WORK ON TO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF, BUT IT'S, IT'S USED AS, AS A REGULAR

[01:30:01]

STREET.

I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF US SEEING HOW MANY WE HAVE AND THIS GROUP COME TOGETHER AND TRY TO DO THEM ALL UNDER Y'ALL AT ONE TIME OR HALF OF THEM THIS YEAR, HALF NEXT YEAR, HALF OF THEM THE YEAR AFTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WITHOUT A LIST OF, I MEAN, WE MAY HAVE OTHER ROADS.

I CAN TELL YOU THIS, IF YOU DO THIS ROAD, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHERS IN THAT COMMUNITY AND OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE BARBARA'S, IT'S GOING TO BE CALLING AND SAYING, HEY, YEAH, I LIVE ON THIS STREET.

IT'S NOT A BACKDOOR DRIVEWAY.

AND I WANT IT FIXED.

UH, I WOULD, I WOULD RATHER SEE A LIST FOR, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.

I JUST FEEL LIKE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, JUST LIKE WITH THE LIGHTS, SOME MAY WANT IT.

SOME MAY NOT.

WE'RE HERE TODAY.

AND THIS IS WHAT'S THE TOPIC AND BEING DISCUSSED.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF UNPAVED ROADS, BUT AGAIN, THEY JUST RECEIVED THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO GET A COMPLETE ROAD FOR WALKING FROM THE VOLT CENTER, ALL THE WAY, GOING DOWN TO THE TRENT TRENTWOOD COMMUNITY.

THIS IS A ROAD OR A STREET THAT IS IN THE COMMUNITY.

THEY STILL HAVE MAJOR FLOODING ISSUES.

THEY DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT DO HAVE SIDEWALKS.

SO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PAVE A ROAD THAT WE TOOK ON AS A RESPONSIBILITY, REGARDLESS, IF IT WAS DEVELOPED OR NOT, IT SHOULD BE DEVELOPED IF WE'RE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT THEY DO HAVE DEVELOPED ROADS.

THIS WAS A REQUEST.

UM, I DO THINK IT'S FEASIBLE.

I'M JUST ASKING THE BOARD TO SUPPORT.

AND THEN ALSO IN THAT WITH LIGHT OF THIS, DO THE RESEARCH, GET ALL OF THE OTHER STREETS AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IDEA OF ALLOCATING MORE MONEY NEXT YEAR IN THE YEAR, BEFORE THE NEXT YEAR FOR PAVING.

BUT PAVING HAS BEEN A BIG THING AND PEOPLE'S CARS IS GETTING TORE UP.

YOU HAVE TO GO PUT THE MILLIONS IN AND WHEN IT'S RAINING HURRICANES FLOODING THERE'S ISSUES ON THAT ROAD, I PHYSICALLY WENT THERE AND SAW IT.

SO I JUST, I THINK WE CAN AFFORD TO, TO MAKE THIS A COMPLETED STREET.

AND, UM, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO GIVE DIRECTION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, OR, UM, HARRIS.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

I FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE NOT ONE DIRT ROAD IN THE CITY LEMONS, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LIST OF THE DIRT ROADS AND ESPECIALLY TAKE THE CITIZENS THAT THAT'S THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THEIR HOME IS THE FRONT DOOR.

THOSE STREETS, I THINK SHOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER BEING PAID FIRST, THEN A BACK STREET.

YOU SEE, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I DO.

I JUST DON'T AGREE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A PROCESS.

I JUST THINK THAT THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.

IT IS A CONCERN IT'S BEEN RESEARCHED.

THE AMOUNT IS THERE.

IT IS, IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY USE IT AS A FRONT OR A BACK THEY'RE TAXPAYERS, CITIZENS, AND THEY DESERVE TO HAVE A ROAD THAT THE CITY OWNS TO BE AN ACTUAL ROAD AND NOT A DIRT ROAD.

SO WHEN WE UTILIZE THAT SENTENCE, THAT IF WE'RE UTILIZING TAXPAYER DOLLARS FROM BROOKE IS A COMMUNITY THAT IS A PART OF THE CITY AND THEY PAY TAXES AND THEY DESERVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE AMENITIES AND THE BEAUTIFICATION AND NOT HAVE TO BEG FOR IT.

SO AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE, WE HAVE A GREAT FUND BALANCE.

UM, IF WE CAN ALLOCATE MORE MONEY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO TURN THIS INTO A ROW AND BUILD IT OUT THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE, OR I'LL AGAIN, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I THINK I BOUGHT THIS TO THE BOARD.

I THINK IT WAS IN 2017 AND MY CITIZENS NEED A FRONT DOOR ENTRANCE OR ROAD, A PAVED ROAD, NOT A DIRT ROAD THAT DOES FIND EVERY TIME THEY ENTER AND EXIT.

SO IF YOU KNOW, I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT IF WE DON'T, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS OR ASK FOR A MOTION OR WHATEVER ON THIS, I THINK THAT, UM, THOSE TEXTS CANCER, THE SENTENCE AGAIN, AS YOU SAID, THAT NEED THIS ENTRANCE FOR THEIR FRONT DOORS TO TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER BACK DOORS.

AND I THINK ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE INCLUDED.

ALL DIRT ROADS SHOULD BE PRAISED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, NOT VERY MR. CITY MANAGER.

CAN WE GET THE LIST PUT TOGETHER OF THE ROADS, HOW LONG EACH ONE OF THEM IS? UM, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PROJECT THE COSTS AND HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE I ADDRESSED ON THAT ROAD? YOU AT SOME POINT IN TIME? YES, WE CAN.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE, UH, AN OVERALL PICTURE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I AGREE.

IT SHOULDN'T BE DIRT ROADS,

[01:35:02]

AND SO WE NEED TO START WORKING TOWARDS FIXING THEM TO ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID ON ASK HER.

UH, I THINK IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, MR. DAVIS SWEEP, UNDEREDUCATED OR ROAD THERE, WE UNDEREDUCATED ONE.

I BELIEVE WE CLOSED ONE IN PEMBROKE.

WELL, IT WAS, UM, I BELIEVE RIGHT THERE NEAR COUNTRY CLUB.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS, THIS RESEARCH, I THINK STATUE TO LOOK, IF THERE ARE ANOMALIES SITUATIONS WHERE ARRIVE, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE JUST ON DEDICATED, THAT DOES SERVE A PURPOSE.

IF WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THEM OUT OF THE INVENTORY, THAT THAT WILL BE LESS MONEY SPAN AND TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE PROPERTY SERVE.

WELL, WHEN, WHEN WE CLOSE THE STREETS, UM, FIRST RELIGION CANNOT LANDLOCKED ANY LOT.

SO IT'S PRETTY RARE THAT WE CAN CLOSE A STREET, BUT WHEN WE CAN CLOSE A STREET, THE ADJOINING OWNERS THEN OWN OUT INTO THE OLD STREET TO THE MIDDLE OF THE CENTER LINE.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT, OH, THERE'S THERE'S, IF I'M NOT BADLY MISTAKEN, THERE'S PROBABLY QUITE A FEW OF THEM OVER THERE IN THE PEMBROKE COMMUNITY THAT ARE, ARE UNEMPLOYED PROVED THAT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE DEDICATED STREETS, THAT'S THE ONES WE NEED TO LOOK AT TOO.

AND LET'S JUST ABANDONED THEM AND TURN THEM BACK OVER TO THE, WELL, WE CAN'T PLAY, WE CAN'T LAND LOCK THE CENTER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T CLOSE A BLOG AND LANDLORD THE ONES THAT WE CAN.

SURE.

YES, SIR.

I THINK SMOKE BOY, WE NOT ON DEDICATED STREET PART OF THE STREET.

OFTENTIMES WE'LL JUST CLOSE A LITTLE, A LITTLE TERMINUS OF A STREET THAT DOESN'T LAND LOCK ANYMORE.

RIGHT? NEVER, NEVER INTENDED TO THE LANDLORD.

DO WE SPEAK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHEN WE DECIDED TO THINK OF THIS? IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS WHERE WE JUST UNDEREDUCATED ROAD.

W W WE WILL RESEARCH IT FIRST.

I'LL TOP MY HEAD.

I CAN'T THINK OF ANY EXAMPLES WHERE WE WOULD CLOSE THE STREET WITHOUT LAND LOCKING A LOT, MOST OF THE TIME YOU DO, WHICH IS WHY YOU CAN'T GOTCHA.

ANYTHING ELSE? UM, SO WITH THE, THE ROAD OVER IN PREMPRO, SO, UH, WE'RE MOVING TO DOING RESEARCH.

AND THEN HOW SOON WILL WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION BACK TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS? BECAUSE PRIM BROOKE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PAVED ROADS AND STREETS AND SIDEWALKS THAT THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME.

A LOTS OF THESE AREAS WERE PLANTED IN THEIR FORTIES, FIFTIES, SOME IN THE TWENTIES FOR US TO IDENTIFY, UM, I THINK THE BEST USE GOING TO BE GIS TO INITIALLY IDENTIFY THEM, AND THEN WE CAN GET A LIST.

AND IF WE NEED TO IN DEPTH, LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL AREAS, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY.

ONE MONTH, TWO MONTHS, PROBABLY FOUR WEEKS, I THINK, FOUR WEEKS TO GET AN INITIAL LIST THAT THAT'LL GIVE US ANOTHER LOOK AT.

SOUNDS GOOD.

I APPRECIATE THAT, GEORGE.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT.

YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, GEORGE.

HEY, UM, I LISTENED TO MR. FIVE TONIGHT.

TALK ABOUT HIS DITCH BESIDE HIS BUSINESS.

CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT AND LOOKED AT IT, AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? AND THERE'S, THERE'S, I'VE MET WITH MR. FLIGHT, UM, SENIOR MANAGER NOW BEING, I'VE HAD OUR CONSULTANTS OUT THERE ON THREE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.

UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT HIS CONCERNS AND THE CONSULTANTS HAVE HAD THEIR ENGINEERS AND GEOLOGISTS DOWN TO LOOK AT IT.

AND THEY'RE PREPARING A REPORT ON THAT DITCH AND THE EFFECTS, IF IT IS HAVING ANY OFFICE BUILDING.

AND I SHOULD HAVE THAT WITHIN THE WEEK TO BE ABLE TO BRING BACK TO YOU, UM, WITH THAT EFFECT, DID, WAS THAT PART OF IT, ANY PART OF HIS DITCH, PART OF THE CAT OR DOG OR CAT, AND AS A RESULT OF THE CLEAN-OUT IS THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED NOTICING THE PAIN FAILING, I'M GOING TO LET THE CONSULTANTS REPORT.

SO WE'VE GOT SOMEONE LOOKING AT IT, MR. FLY, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REPORT BACK SHORTLY, AND I'M SURE THAT WE'LL BE SHARING THAT WITH YOU AND GETTING WITH YOU, BUT WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE CAN, IF IT'S OUR PROBLEM, WE'LL FIX IT.

UH, GEORGE, UH, WELL, WOULD THAT, WHEN THE INFORMATION COMES BACK, WHEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO CC ME ON THAT SINCE MR. BLIGHT IS, AND CERTAINLY I'LL MAKE IT AVAILABLE.

GREAT.

AND ONE MORE THING, GEORGE, YOU AND JEFF.

AND OF COURSE THE CITY ATTORNEY, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR MY REQUEST ABOUT BETTY GRISSOM LANE AND BEING BLOCKED OFF.

AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING NOW THAT I DIDN'T RIDE DOWN THERE THIS AFTERNOON, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS AFTERNOON, THAT THAT ROAD WILL BE OPENED UP FOR PUBLIC.

YOU STARTING SOME, SOMETIME TODAY, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE BARRICADES DOWN, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT.

[01:40:01]

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TONIGHT, SIR.

DOWNSTAIRS CONFERENCE ROOM.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

I KNOW WE SET A DATE FOR OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 28 FOR REDISTRICTING.

UM, I JUST WANT TO ASK IF THAT WE, WE CAN HAVE A LARGER FACILITY, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PUBLIC HEARING, I MEAN, PUBLIC MEETING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MAPS AND STUFF AVAILABLE SO THAT THE CITIZENS CAN COME AND LOOK AT THOSE MAPS OR AT LEAST HAVE A LARGER BUILDING AND HAVING A HERE AT CITY HALL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT I JUST, IT, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS WHERE, YOU KNOW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO HOLD THAT PUBLIC, HEARING THAT, I MEAN, A PUBLIC GUN, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GET THE MAPS ON ONLINE EARLY ENOUGH THAT ANYBODY EVEN WANTED TO LOOK AT THEM AND LOOK AT HIM? THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AT LEAST A WEEK WITH THOSE MAPS UP ONLINE.

AND THAT WAS JUST MENTIONED THE CITY MANAGER.

IF WE CAN DO SOME HARD COPIES, MAYBE AT THE REC CENTER, TRY TO GET THEM AROUND SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THEM THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS.

EXACTLY.

SOCIAL MEDIA.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM BLOWN UP AND MAYBE DOWN IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO KIND OF COME IN AND CHECK IT OUT THAT WAY AS WELL? OKAY.

ARE YOU SAYING CONFERENCE ROOM HERE DOWNSTAIRS FOR THEM TO ON THEIR LUNCH BREAK OR WHATEVER? THEY'RE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY VIEW IT, MAYBE EVEN IN THE FRONT AREA WHERE THEY COME IN THE ENTRANCEWAY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WE'RE NOT.

SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO IN THERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SITTING AT THE DESK, MAYBE IN THE ENTRANCE WAY, HAVING A BOARD AND THEN INDIVIDUALS, THERE ARE PREFERABLY IN COLOR.

I THINK WE JUST NEED A LARGER SPACE FOR MY CONCERNS IS WHERE YOU HAVE A FLUX OF PEOPLE IN A BILL, IN A ROOM, AND WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THIS COVID STUFF.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERNS.

OH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I AGREE IF WE NEED TO HAVE A BIGGER LOCATION, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING BEFOREHAND, SO CITIZENS CAN DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IS LIKE THEY SAID, THEY'LL PUT IT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE ONLINE WOULD BE PRINTED FOR THEM TO PHYSICALLY COME TO CITY HALL ON MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND SEE A MAP AND PHYSICALLY SEE IT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITIZENS AS WELL.

UM, AND DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER THE MAP IS GOING TO BE, THAT WE DID OUR COMPLETE DUE DILIGENCE.

CAN YOU DO THAT? YES, SIR.

SO DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION OF WORD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS PUBLIC HERE, ESPECIALLY OUR MEETING TO A PUBLIC HEARING PART OF OUR, I THINK IF WE PUT THEM ON MINE AND GIVE ENOUGH PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WHERE SOME OF THE PLACES THEY'RE LOCATED, I, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE A TON OF PEOPLE JUMPING OUT HERE TO COME MEET ME ANYWAY.

I MEAN, WE HAD NOBODY TO SPEAK DURING THAT BUDGET MEETING AND YOU CAN'T SPECULATE AND SAY THAT BECAUSE SHE SAID, I DON'T THINK AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AS A TAXPAYER CITIZEN, I AIN'T GOING TO BE AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING THAT NIGHT TO ASK THEM ALL, NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PATH.

IF WE PUT, IF WE POST IT LONG ENOUGH, THEN THEY CAN CALL YOU AND ASK YOU ABOUT IT, AND THEN YOU CAN EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS, BUT FALSE.

SO DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING THIS MEETING AT WEST NEWBURN REC CENTER WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THESE MAPS AVAILABLE FOR CITIZENS? YOU CAN DO THE MEANING THAT THE WEST UBER RECREATION CENTER, IF IT WAS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW IS BIGGER THAN THE ROOM.

WE USE A WESTERN RECREATION CENTER, WE COULD PUT IT IN THE GYM, BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE ACOUSTIC ISSUES.

UH, DURING THAT MEETING, IF YOU'D LIKE WE COULD REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, WHICH IS AS A BIGGER SPACE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE A BED AVAILABILITY AS WELL, REGARDLESS IF, IF, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE MEETING HERE, WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT MAPS ALL THROUGHOUT THIS BUILDING UPSTAIRS, DOWNSTAIRS AS WELL, UM, TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE, WE CAN ALSO PUT SOME MAPS OVER THE LIBRARY FOR BETTER ACCESS.

WE CAN PUT THEM AT ANY OF OUR OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES AS WELL TO GET THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT, RIGHT? YES, IT WILL IT BE ABLE TO GO ON CT V3? CAUSE I'M JUST CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AN IMPORTANT DECISION THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE AS A BOARD FOR THIS TERM AND THIS STAYS FOR 10 YEARS.

AND SO WE DO NEED EVERYBODY THAT IS WATCHING, LISTENING, PAYING ATTENTION TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT BECAUSE THIS WILL LAST FOR 10 YEARS.

UM, IF WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE TV, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT IT IN THE SUN JOURNAL, BUT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT JUST DON'T DO SOCIAL MEDIA OR TV AND THEY DO THEIR NEWSPAPERS.

AND THEN THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE IN THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

AND THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DUE TO THE PANDEMIC, THEY PROBABLY STILL DON'T WANT TO COME OUTSIDE.

SO I THINK IF WE CAN JUST HIT ALL AVENUES WHEN WE DO HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING,

[01:45:01]

WE'RE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT AND MADE THAT DECISION.

SO I THINK, UM, IF WE CAN ADD THAT AS WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

OH, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR HERE.

SO THIS IS WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSAL ONCE, BASICALLY UP TO THE BOARD, BUT I JUST LIKE TO HAVE A LARGER FACILITY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

WHAT IS THAT FACILITY? UM, WELL THE ONLY LARGER VILLAIN, BUT UM, MR. HUGHES JUST SAID THE GYM AT WEST NEWBURN, UM, ACOUSTICS ISSUE.

SO I GUESS THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, THAT WAS JUST THIS TO ME, IT WAS SOMEWHAT JUST THIS Q SIX.

THERE WAS A LITTLE ALL AS WELL, BUT IT'S A LARGER FACILITY.

WELL, DO WE STILL DO OFFER OVERFLOW HERE? CORRECT.

DO WE STILL OFFER THE OVERFLOW PROCESS HERE AND THAT THEY'RE PROFITABLY DOWNSTAIRS? I'M NOT SURE, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF WE HAVE IT AT THE WEST NEWBURN REC CENTER, WE HAVE IT IN ALL OF OUR PUBLIC THAT MAYBE WHERE PEOPLE PAY THE LIGHT BILL.

THERE COULD BE SOME INFORMATION THERE, AREAS THAT THEY CAN ACCESS ON TV THREE.

THE BIG POSTERS AND THESE, ALL THE LOCATIONS THAT PEOPLE GO TO PHYSICAL OF PREVIOUS NEW AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL PAPER, I THINK THAT WILL, WILL BE VERY HELPFUL AS WELL.

AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY CITIZENS THAT HAVE CONCERNS AND THEY NEED A SPECIAL DELIVERY AND BOTHERS ME AND I WAS DELIVERED TO YOUR HOUSE, IF YOU NEED THEM, WE CAN ALSO ASK COLLEEN TO DO A PRESS RELEASE ON CHANNEL 12 AND JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THESE MAPS CAN BE.

LOOK BACK TO QUESTION FOR ALICE, WHENEVER YOU DO THE PROPOSED CHANGES, IS THERE A WAY THAT THE COMPUTER CAN GENERATE A LIST OF ALL THE RESIDENTIAL ADDRESSES THIS AFFECTED BY THESE POTENTIAL CHANGES? YES.

SO WE COULD EASILY SEND A POSTCARD BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT.

WE COULD SEND A POSTCARD TO THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE AFFECTED.

CAUSE ANOTHER BOARD OF ELECTIONS WILL DO THAT.

IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN POLLING PLACE, JUST SEND A POSTCARD OR SOMETHING.

VERY SIMPLE TO SAY YOUR PROPOSED RESIDENCE IS SUBJECT TO POTENTIALLY CHANGE REPRESENTATION FOR YOUR ALDERMAN.

HERE'S A LINK, HERE'S THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HERE'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE AND GET THAT INFORMATION OUT.

DID WE DO EASILY FAIRLY? I WOULD SAY LIKE THE WAR THREE CHANGE IS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE.

I WILL SAY WHEN WE DID IT 10 YEARS AGO, WE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WERE NOT BOARD MEETINGS.

THEY WERE JUST GENERAL MEETINGS.

AND WE, YOU KNOW, AT DIFFERENT PLACES LIKE STANLEY WHITE OR WEST NEWBURN REC CENTER, WHERE MYSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE WERE THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND WE HAD THE BIG MAPS.

IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT BOARD CHANGES BACK THEN.

AND THERE ARE THIS TIME PARTICIPATION WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE MEETINGS 10 YEARS AGO, UH, IN CERTAIN AREAS PRETTY, PRETTY HEAVY, BUT THERE WERE AGAIN, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES 10 YEARS AGO THEN VERSUS THIS THE STUFF I HAD, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CALLS OR CONCERN BACK THEN.

I HAD A LOT OF CALLS AND QUESTIONS AND PEOPLE COMING IN AND LOOK, SO I'VE NOT HAD ANYONE SHOW ME DANGEROUS.

LIKE THIS TIME I AGREE WITH HER, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE LAST CHANGE, IT REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED.

UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, BACK 10 YEARS AGO, UM, THE THIRD WARD THAT, WHERE THAT WAS CAROLINA COLORS AND ALL OF THAT, THAT WAS FOUR DIFFERENT WARDS ALL IN THAT SEGMENT.

SO YOU REALLY TALK ABOUT CHANGES.

UM, IT REALLY, IT REALLY CHANGED THAT THIS PROPOSAL REALLY KIND OF CLEAR IT CLEARED UP A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WE MADE 10 YEARS AGO.

AND LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND WE HAD SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE HAD PROBABLY THE ONE WE HAD AT WEST NEIGHBOR CENTER WAS PROBABLY THE MOST IN IT STANDING WHITE.

AND WE HAD A LOT OF FOLKS THAT SHOWED UP THERE, CAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THOSE AREAS.

UM, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO SOMETHING AT WEST RIVER AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THERE AND PUT UP SOME MAPS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IF I HAVE MY LAPTOP AND PULL UP INFORMATION OR WHATEVER, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

SO ALAN IS HOW, HOW IN DEBT WOULD THAT BE FOR YOU TO GET JUST AS OTTOMAN ODOM SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH CHANGES AS WE DID 10 YEARS AGO TO GET CARDS OR POSTCARDS AND LET THEM DO SOMETHING OUT TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT THE CHANGE IS GOING TO AFFECT.

SO IT'S NOT HARD TO GET THE ADDRESSES.

IT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF POPULATION THOUGH.

IT MAKING THOSE AREAS.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OLD TOWN, ALL THE COUNTRY CLUB AREAS, UM, AGAIN, AREA THERE'S SIGNIFICANT AREAS THAT HAVE A LOT OF POCKETS OF, WITH THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE JUST TWO WEEKS BY THE TIME THEY GOT ALL THAT TOGETHER.

PROVIDING ALL OF THE LOCATIONS, PEOPLE ARE WATCHING, AS LONG AS WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AT BOARD MEMBERS TO LET INDIVIDUALS KNOW WHERE THEY CAN PICK THEIR STUFF UP, HAVING THOSE OVERSIZED MAPS, I THINK THAT WILL BE SUFFICE ENOUGH.

BECAUSE OF THAT, WE BE ABLE TO GET OUT TO THE MAIL AND STUFF.

I THINK

[01:50:01]

AND AGAIN, LIKE, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID IF WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE MEETINGS, UM, WITH MORE CONCERNS, WE STILL HAVE TIME A LOT TO THAT.

SO I THINK THAT WE WILL BE IN GOOD SHAPE, UM, COME OUR NEXT MEETING.

UM, BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ALL OF IT OUT AND PUT IT ON ALL OF THE PLATFORMS THAT WE HAVE SO THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE CHANGES AND WHAT'S GOING ON.

WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT SOME OUT ON LINE VERY QUICKLY.

SO THAT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.

I THINK WHAT I'M ALICE, CAN YOU ALSO JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST MAYBE PUT SOME APPS AT, LIKE YOU SAID, AT WEST NEWBURN AT NEW AMERICAN SENATOR OR THE PERVERT MANDATORY CENTER OR WHATEVER, JUST HAVE THE MAPS THERE.

AND THEN WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING A BIGGER, UM, FACILITY TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.

SOMEBODY LIKE PENBROOK, NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED THAT WILL REMAIN IN THE SAME WARD AS IT IS CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, PLEASANT HILL.

WE'RE JUST GIVING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT I UNDERSTAND, BUT MAYBE WE JUST GO TO THE AREAS THAT HAVE THE SIGNIFICANT OR HAVE, HAVE CHANGED.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME OR NOTHING? DO WE NEED A CLOSED SESSION TONIGHT? NO, SIR.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS COME FOR THE LABOR BOARD BOMBING AT THIS TIME? MOTION TO ADJOURN.