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I'D LIKE TO

[1. Roll Call ]

ORDER A MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A ROLE FOR CORPORATE TENANTS? UM, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.

PERFECT ATTENDANCE.

VERY GOOD.

WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE MEETING.

UH, THE FIRST

[2. Approval of Minutes: September 7, 2021 ]

ITEM ON THE AGENDA AFTER THE ROLL CALL IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2021 MEETING.

UM, I HAVE GONE THROUGH WHAT I JUST RECEIVED THEM.

UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE AT THEIR REVIEW THE MINUTES AT ALL? DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENT TO THEM? LET ME MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE THE MINUTES.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

[3.A. Discussion of proposed amendments to 15-214: Development Connectivity ]

UM, NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE LAND USE FOR THIS, AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS GOTTEN A COPY.

YEAH.

WELL, WE MET A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO NOW TO GO OVER TO SECTION 2 14, 8, 5, AND ABOUT THE OTHER 50 BLOCKS PROVIDE NOW REQUIREMENTS THAT CAN FIND ACCESS.

SO MOST OF THE DISCUSSION REALLY CENTERED ALONG, UM, THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW DEVIATIONS FROM THAT.

CONSIDERING SOME PROPERTIES AND MAY NOT HAVE THE LANGUAGE IS PRESENTED YOU PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD DISCLAIMER THAT SAYS, IF YOU CAN'T MEET THE DIRECTORS ON THE SERVICES MAKES THAT DETERMINATION OR DOES DESIGNATE.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS A LONG MEETING, IT WAS A PRODUCTIVE MEETING.

AND I CLEANED MY OFFICE OUT LAST FRIDAY AND MISPLACED MY NOTES FROM THAT MEETING.

SO IT WAS A GREAT READER.

SO IF I'M MISSING ANY DETAILS, UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM NOW AND I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING BIG, BUT I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND IF I MISS SOMETHING, THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT OUT NOW.

SO I CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND FORMULATE THE LETTER TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.

IF YOU ALSO CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, NOW THERE WERE ALSO, KENNY DOES, I DON'T SEE IN HERE, THERE WILL BE STYLISTIC CHANGES.

SOMETIMES WE USE THE NUMBER OF THE IMPAIRMENT, BUT WE SPELLED IT OUT.

I DON'T THINK YOU INCLUDED THIS IN THE FORCE RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW RAYMOND WAS, UM, WELL I THINK THAT, SO IF THE SECTIONS THAT WERE SENT WITH OUR PACKETS, SO IT HAS MORE THAN TWO 14, BUT THE TWO 14 THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT, UM, INDICATES ALL OF THOSE, UM, WHAT I'LL CALL HOUSEKEEPING CHANGES FROM WRITTEN 24 TO THE NUMERAL 24.

UM, AND SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION.

ALSO, MR. CURIOUS, ARE WE ALSO PROPOSING TO, IN ADDITION TO THE 15 TO 14 SUBSECTION FIVE S IS, UH, SIN ASKING THE BOARD OF ALL OF THEM TAKE THAT UP AND, UH, AND REVIEW IT.

ARE WE ALSO GOING TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRETY OF THE CHANGES PROPOSED FOR SECTION 15 TO 14? ONE OF WHICH IN SUBSECTION FOUR WAS CHANGING FROM A THOUSAND FEET ON THE DAY OF STREET, 750 AND ADDING, UH, THE, AS DETERMINED BY THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR THEIR DESIGNEE.

AND THEN JUST THAT, THOSE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS I JUST MENTIONED, UM,

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THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

OKAY.

NOW, AS COUNSEL PRESENT, HAVE YOU LOOKED, YOU CAN USE THE LAND USE DOOR TO DEAL WITH ANY ISSUES? I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW SECTION 15 TO 14, SUBSECTION FIVE.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THE WORKING GROUP MEETINGS.

I'M NOT IN THE OTHER, THE BENEFIT OF ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.

UM, I DO HAVE, UM, JUST ONE SUGGESTION WHENEVER WE ARE CONSTRUCTING NEW LAWS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS AND THE UNDERLYING PORTION HERE, UM, ON, IN SECTION FIVE, NOT WITHSTANDING THE PROVISION AND THE SUBSECTION, THE SECOND POINT OF ACCESS MAY DEVIATE FROM THE MINIMUM STANDARD AT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT DEVIATE MEANS.

UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LESS THAN 500? OKAY.

AND SO THE REASONING FOR THAT, IF I MAY, UM, IS SITE PLANNING BEING AS IT IS, IT'S A PRETTY ORGANIC THING.

UM, THE FRIDGE OF A PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT, UH, BEING DEVELOPED MIGHT NOT ALLOW FOR THAT SEPARATION.

SO WHAT WE, WE STILL LIKE TO HAVE THE TWO EXITS IF WE'RE GREATER THAN 150 LOTS, BUT WHAT THIS LANGUAGE DOES IS IT ALLOWS STAFF TO HAVE INPUT ON THAT IF THEY CAN'T MEET THE 500, UM, IT GIVES STAFF THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN INPUT ON THAT, TO STILL GET TO WHICH WE ALL FEEL IS.

AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CONSIDERATION THAT I WOULD RAISE IS THERE GENERAL PROHIBITIONS IN THE LAW OF GRANTING UNFETTERED DISCRETION TO STAFF PEOPLE.

SO SOMEONE POTENTIALLY COULD READ THAT LANGUAGE AND SAY, OKAY, THEY'RE DELEGATING AUTHORITY TO THE REDMOND'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO WAIT OR REDUCE THIS REQUIREMENT BASED ON WHAT STANDARDS WE DON'T KNOW.

UM, OUR BEST MINDS WOULD SAY THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE SITE PLAN, CONSIDER THE GEOGRAPHIC FEATURES AND MAKE A COMMON SENSE DETERMINATION.

BUT HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT'S CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD AS SUPPLY TO EVERY PROPERTY? SURE.

I DON'T KNOW, BASED ON THIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION TO CORRECT THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO DISCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LARGE PARCEL OF LAND BECAUSE THE OTHER THING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOUSING SHORTAGE THAT WE HAVE THE NEWS.

ABSOLUTELY.

I GOT, I THINK IF I MADE THE SAFEGUARD THERE IS THAT IT STILL COMES BEFORE THIS BOARD.

UM, AND SO IN MY THINKING, THIS ONLY GIVES THE APPLICANT AND STAFF THE ABILITY TO PUT TOGETHER, UH, TO ASSIST THE APPLICANT IN PREPARING THEIR SITE PLANNING, UM, DO MEET THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE, UM, SO THAT IT CAN COME BEFORE, UM, THIS BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, REVIEW AND APPROVAL, OR I JUST THINK THAT APPLYING THE RULES BASED ON LEGISLATIVE INTENT, YOU KNOW, 60 DAYS FROM NOW, IT'S VERY CLEAR SIX YEARS FROM NOW, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH.

AND, AND TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.

I, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TRY TO CRACK ORIGINAL, RIGID ENOUGH TO BE OBJECTIVE, BUT FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

UH, I, IN THIS MOMENT, I'M NOT PREPARED TO GIVE YOU ANY SUGGESTIONS IN MY CONSULTATION WITH MR. DAVIS, WHO DID A GREAT DEAL OF WORK ON CRAFTING THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS WASN'T SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED IS BECAUSE TRYING TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE, UM, IS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

I'VE NOT SEEN SIMILAR EXAMPLES ACROSS THE STATE AND COMMUNITIES OF OUR SIZE.

SO UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A, ANY AMENDMENT THAT I CAN PROPOSE.

EXCELLENT POINT.

AND BY THAT.

SO I GUESS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, AND CERTAINLY NOT SPEAKING FOR THE BOARD AT LARGE, OR JUST THINKING THROUGH THIS AND UNDERSTANDING SITE PLANNING AS I DO, UM, WE COULD EASILY STRIKE THE MINIMUM SEPARATION LANGUAGE.

IT JUST REQUIRED TWO EXITS.

I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.

UM, THE PROBLEM WE'VE RUN INTO, WE HAD THAT LANGUAGE IS THAT A DEVELOPER THEN DECIDES TO FLIP THEM SIDE BY SIDE, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH THE INTENT.

UM, AND SO I SUPPOSE MAYBE WE, UH, HAVE A LITTLE MORE HOMEWORK TO DO.

I MEAN, I JUST RODE THROUGH NATURAL NATURAL FEATURES OR PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS OF THE SIDE.

YOU DON'T HAVE, IT LITERALLY DON'T HAVE 500 FEET OF FRONTAGE,

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UM, OR SOME OTHER NATURAL FEATURES.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE CUL-DE-SAC SECTION, WHICH I'M TRYING TO FIND.

YEAH, THIS IS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

WE HAVE SOME CONNECTIVITY STANDARDS, WHICH REALLY DOES DELEGATE THAT DECISION.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, UH, CONNECTIVITY THAT DELEGATES THE DECISION TO THE DIRECTOR OF IT ON THE SERVICES THAT'S IN THE CODE, BUT I HAVE COURT.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO.

YOU EITHER HAVE SOME KIND OF NATURAL FEATURE LAKE OF WETLAND MOUNTAIN, UM, OR A PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS OF THE SITE.

IT'S A TRIANGLE AND IT'S 400 BY 400 BLOCK, BUT THEN IF IT'S AT AN INTERSECTION, SO THE PATIENTS ARE AT SOME LEVEL, UM, WELL IT COULD, COULD COME OUT TO A DIFFERENT STREET.

YEAH.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE IMPACT.

YOU DON'T WANT IT ON THE SAME STREET.

UM, UNLESS THEY'RE 500 FEET APART.

UH, MY QUESTION IS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THIS STILL FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SUBMISSION? WHAT I NEEDED, IF I COME IN AND I SUBMIT PLANS FOR 149, LOTS, I ONLY NEED ONE.

AND THEN I COME IN NEXT YEAR.

I WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT.

WHAT IS IT, A SEPARATE SUBMISSION? AND IT'S ANOTHER 149 BLOCKS.

DO I NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER ENTRANCE PRACTICALLY? YES, YES, YES.

PRACTICALLY.

YES.

BUT FROM THE LETTER OF THE ORDINANCE, MAYBE WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT.

WE DO HAVE THAT IN OUR PLAN LANGUAGE.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A SITUATION THAT, UH, IS PRETTY DIFFICULT TO COME BY THESE DAYS.

CAUSE WE'VE, WE, WE REQUEST THAT IF THE DEVELOPER DOES ALL ON A LOG, YOU KNOW, IF THEY OWN 700 ACRES AND THEY COME IN WITH A HUNDRED ACRES, NOW WE REQUIRE THEM TO COME IN WITH THE ENTIRE SITE.

RIGHT.

AND THEN THEY CAN PHASE OUT THE IMPROVEMENT SITUATION THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HAPPEN.

RIGHT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE MASTER PLAN, I DON'T HAVE THEM KNOW THAT I HAVE A GENERAL INFRASTRUCTURE JENNY AND WISH YOU COULD HAVE HEARD PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.

AND TWO OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE DO NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

YOU REMEMBER ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO WHEN THERE WAS A FATALITY WRECK ON BROAD CREEK ROAD GOING TO FAIRFIELD HARBOR.

AND IT LITERALLY BOTTLED UP FAIRFIELD HARBOR FOR SEVERAL HOURS.

AND THAT IS THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF FAIRFIELD HARBOR.

AND ANOTHER ONE IS STRATEGY OR SUBDIVISION OVER THERE AND, UM, FELL OAKS WHERE I INITIALLY, WHEN THEY BUILT THE FIRST THREE OR FOUR PHASES, THERE WAS ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT.

WELL, NOW THEY'RE DOING PHASE FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN, AND WANT TO ADD ALL THESE HOMES THERE'S BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO AND TWO ENTRANCE EXIT POINTS NOW.

WELL, WELL, YEAH, SO I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK HISTORY.

SO WHEN INITIALLY WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DID THE FIRST FOUR PHASES, THEY HAD AN IDEA TO PUT IN ANOTHER ROAD, THEY HAD BUILT ANOTHER SINGLE ROAD, PUT HOUSES ON THERE.

THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE SECOND ENTRY POINT.

WELL, ONCE THOSE FOLKS BOUGHT THOSE HOMES, THEY THEN WENT TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN YEARS BACK BEFORE ANY OF US WERE ON BOARD.

WHEN DID THAT ALDERMAN IN WARD SIX, WHOEVER IT WAS AT THE TIME AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT THIS ROAD BLOCKED OFF.

SO NO ONE CAN DRIVE IN AND OUT.

IT'S NOT AN EXIT POINT FOR THE LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND US, WHICH IS WHERE I LIVE.

SO HE GOT THAT BLOCK, EVEN THOUGH THAT DEVELOPER BOUGHT THAT LAND AND PUT THOSE HOUSES ON THERE, IT GOT BLOCKED.

SO NOW IT CAN'T BE UNBLOCKED.

SO NOW IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BUILD AGAIN, WHICH THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THERE'S ONE ENTRY POINT AND EXIT POINT AND DURING FLORENCE, THAT ROAD ACTUALLY WASHED OUT TO WHERE WE COULD NOT GET OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IF YOU TACK ON AND PUT ANOTHER 200 HOMES IN THERE, NOW YOU'VE GOT 200 MORE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T GET OUT BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE.

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AND I APPRECIATE THAT, THOSE, THOSE TWO EXAMPLES, MY QUESTION, AND I'M NOT INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE BILLS SUBDIVISIONS.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL PHASES.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A SECOND POINT OF ENTRY NOW? NO.

YEAH.

AND SO THAT'S THE PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS PART.

JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT HE, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE SOME VALUABLE, UH, LANGUAGE FOR THIS.

UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, I'M KIND OF THINKING MAYBE IT'S NOT WORTHWHILE BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS LANGUAGE HAS PROVIDES MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WE'RE FORCING TWO DIFFERENT ENTRANCES BASED ON THE SEPARATION, JEFF, AND AS YOU SUGGESTED, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS FINAL VIEW ON THAT.

SO THE ONLY THING THAT IT'S REALLY AN ACCOMMODATION TO ALLOW FOR A IT, TO BE A WOODEN ONE.

AND, UH, I CAN'T SEE ANY LEGAL ACTION BEING TAKEN BY THE DEVELOPER, THE CITY WE'RE NOT ALLOWING IT ABOUT.

I MEAN, WHAT'S THE SENSE OF THAT? CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR QUESTION ON THAT, SHERIFF? WELL, YOU, YOU, YOU SAY THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE DISCRETION OF THE, OF, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DURING THOSE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR THE, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING.

IF WE ALLOW AN ACCOMMODATION FOR THE DEVELOPER TO PRODUCE 151, LOTS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT BE THROUGH THE DEVELOPERS DISCRETION, WHY WOULD THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO BRING LEGAL ACTION AGAINST US? IF WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THEM? THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I RAISED ISN'T NECESSARILY WITH THE NUMBER OF LOTS OR THE GENERAL SPIRIT OF THIS PROPOSED PIECE OF LEGISLATION, HERE'S WHAT I PROPOSE.

HERE'S THE ARGUMENT.

IF I PUT MY DEFENSE LAWYER HAT BACK ON USED TO BE, IF I WERE REPRESENTING A DEVELOPER AND I WANTED TO ARGUE THIS, I SAID, OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY.

WE DON'T HAVE THE FRONTAGE TO DO TWO ENTRANCES, 500 FEET APART, RIGHT? WE WANT TO DO TWO ENTRANCES, A HUNDRED FEET PARK UP TO THE DISCRETION OF A SYLVAN, GO TO THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

WHOEVER THAT INDIVIDUAL HAPPENS TO BE, AND THE DIRECTOR SAYS, NO, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THE 400 FEET APART OR YOU CAN'T BILL.

OKAY.

THAT'S ONE CIRCUMSTANCE.

AND THEN ANOTHER DEVELOPER COMES IN 10 YEARS LATER WITH A DIFFERENT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND SAYS, HEY, SAME SCENARIO.

I DON'T HAVE 500 FEET OF, I WANT TO DO TO INTEREST IS A HUNDRED FEET APART.

AND THAT THE RECORD SAYS, YES, WAIT A MINUTE.

THE RULE IS BEING APPLIED, INCONSISTENTLY.

AND FUTURE DEVELOPER SAYS, HEY, THIS THING IS ALL OF THE MAP.

I DIDN'T GET WHAT I WANTED.

YOU SEE ALL OF THESE DEVIATIONS AND HOW THE RULE IS BEING APPLIED.

I AM BEING DAMAGED.

I'M BEING HARMED BECAUSE OF THE APPLICATION AND WHAT I'M PROPOSING.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S A WINNING ARGUMENT IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT GIVES ROOM FOR ARGUMENT TO SAY, WHAT DOES DEVIATE ME TO WHAT LEVEL OF DISCRETION AND HOW CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT BY AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD, THE RULE IS BEING APPLIED FAIRLY FOR ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT VEGETABLES.

SO IN FACT, CAN YOU NOT TAKE THE WORD DVA OUT AND USE A MORE DIRECT WORD THAT WOULD CHANGE THE WHOLE CONTENTS OF THAT SENTENCE? THAT'S ACTUALLY .

AND THEN THE EVENT IS Y'ALL NOT BE LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET APART OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD PREVENT THE SEPARATION EQUAL TO, UH, NOT LESS THAN ONE HALF THE DISTANCE OF THE DISTANCE OF THE LONGEST PARCEL PARCEL.

I MEAN, WE KNEW THAT BUILDING AND BUILDING AND BUILDINGS, UH, FOR EGRESS ARE, IF IT'S GREATER THAN 50 PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED OUT OF THE BUILDING.

SO ONCE YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO MEANS VIGOROUS, THOSE TWO MEANS VIGOROUS HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM SEPARATION DISTANCE IT'S EQUAL TO, IF I COULD HAVE HALF THE DAG ON DIMENSION A BIT, UM, THAT'S HOW YOU DETERMINE WHICH MINIMUM SEPARATION DISTANCES.

SO, I MEAN, WE COULD CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE LIKE THAT, THAT THEN IT USES THE PARCEL DIMENSION TO, TO CALCULATE WHAT YOUR SEPARATION DISTANCE IS, RATHER THAN GIVING IT A HARD NUMBER, LIKE A THOUSAND FEET OR 500 FEET OR A FEW HUNDRED FEET.

AND THEN WE CAN HAVE TO MANAGE THAT SYSTEM 11 FEET APART.

WELL, AND THAT'S MY, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE A LONGEST DIMENSION IS 22 FEET,

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THAT WAS THE OTHER ISSUE.

I'M GOING TO RAISE ON, UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FLOODING ON A PARCEL AND ROOMMATE WASHED OUT, BUT IN PARCELS THAT ARE NOT TREMENDOUSLY LARGE OR IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE TWO POINTS OF ENTRANCE OR AT THE SAME ELEVATION, DO WE SOLVE A PROBLEM OR DO WE JUST CREATE ANOTHER ADMINISTRATIVE CLASS OR SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU ON, I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT ZONING, NO ONE THAT WAS QUOTED LIKE 150 UNITS ON A SYDNEY BLOCK, DOES IT, DOES WHEN YOU'RE SENDING IT IS TALKING ABOUT SOMA FRIENDLY, NO.

WITH ABOUT ALL .

SO IN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT, UH, JAMIE IS PRESENTED TO US, GOOD HEAD SCRATCHING STUFF.

I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER, OR WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THAT WE NOT TAKE UP THIS ISSUE AND SAY IT AND SEND IT TO THE MORE LONG.

AND YET I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GIVE STAFF AND ANOTHER SHY, UH, CONSIDERATION, AND THEN BRING THEM BACK BEFORE, UM, THIS BOARD NEXT MONTH WITH SOME CLEANED UP LANGUAGE FOR CONSIDERATION AND MAY HAVE BE IT ACROSS OUR, UH, PROBABLY BEFOREHAND, UH, REASONABLY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COME TO WORK? ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE WANT TO BRING STRONG A MEETING, RECOMMENDATION PEOPLE, NO PRESSURE.

I'M VERY HAPPY NOW THAT ACTUALLY CHARGED AT THIS POINT.

NO, I THINK WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU WILL BE THERE BECAUSE THAT WILL GIVE US GUIDANCE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE AND COMING UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE HAD NOT EVEN THOUGHT OF.

SO THAT'S HELPFUL.

I, I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS AN EXCELLENT FIRST DRAFT, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE THAT HAS LOTS OF ONES.

AND CONSIDERING THOSE COMPLEXITIES, I THINK YOU'RE THINKING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I CERTAINLY THANK YOU READY, BUT IN YOUR LONELINESS, HAVING TO WORK WITH US, JEFF DID THAT IN AND YOU GET MS. MAYO TO SEE IF SHE CAN GET US BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, PLEASE, SIR, WE'LL BE GOING OUT SO THIS BEING OLD BUSINESS AND NOT AN APPLICATION, UM, UH, THERE ARE NO ACTION REQUIRED ON OUR PART.

I DON'T THINK, I THINK HE'S DRESSED.

WHY DON'T WE JUST CLARIFY? WE'RE NOT WILLING TO SAY IF YOU CAN'T HAVE, IF YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO X 500 FEET APART, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 149.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH.

I DON'T THINK I'M SPEAKING FROM, I DON'T THINK I'M WILLING TO SITE PLANNING, BEING ORGANIC AS THE, AS, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BOX THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO DRAW.

UM, I THINK IT'S TOO RESTRICTIVE.

YEAH.

WE CAN CERTAINLY DEVELOP A LANGUAGE THAT WILL, UM, BE PRODUCTIVE AND WE'LL ALLOW THIS TO BE THIS ARTICLE TO BE ENFORCED FAIRLY ACROSS THE BOARD.

DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE COMMENTS? NO QUESTIONS.

SO I THINK WE CAN NOW MOVE ON TO , WHICH IS NEW BUSINESS.

A COREY THOMAS IS REQUESTING TO ZONE OF OUR, UH, OR THREE COMMERCIAL.

UH, THIS YEAR, THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AT 44 16

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HIGHWAY, SOUTH, UM, STAFF REVIEW, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, AGAIN, AS YOU SAY, IT WOULD BE MR. QUARTER, THOMAS SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR A REASON REQUEST FROM OUR TENDENCY THREE US HIGHWAY 17 CORRIDOR AREA, PHOTOGRAPH THE PROPERTY NOW PARTIAL SMALL STRUCTURES, BUT OVERALL THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF THE PROPERTY IS C3.

BEGINNING OF JASON

[4.A. Corey Thomas is requesting the rezoning of 0.46+/- acres from R-10 Residential district to C-3 Commercial district. The parcel is located at 4416 US 17 Hwy South ]

GOT A THROUGH Z OR ARTS DISTRICTS, HOW TO ACCOMMODATE SINGLE ONE, TWO FAMILY HOMES, 10,000 FOOT LOT REQUIRED FOR ONE FAMILY, TWO HOURS IN ADDITIONAL FIVE POUNDS.

THE DISTRICT COMMANDING GENERAL SAID THAT THE DISTRICT OR THE CONTINUED USE OF LAND FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, I USE LAND.

AND THE OTHER USE OF IN THE DISTRICT OCCURRED THIS CONTINUANCE AS WE USE IN THE DISTRICT AND USE, WHICH WOULD GENERATE ON MINOR STREETS, RATHER OTHER NORMAL TRAFFIC STARTED RESIDENCY, ALL MINISTRIES, DISCARD, ANY USE, WHICH CHARACTER INSIDE THE CAREER REQUIREMENTS AND COST AND ACCESS, ET CETERA.

C3 IS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS ESTABLISHED PURCHASE SERVICES IN THE REVEALING OF GIRL CONVENIENCE DISTRICT CITY MAJOR RADIO ROAD, BECAUSE THIS DISTRICT WILL BE ROTATING OUT.

AND HOW LONG ARE YOU IN TRACK THE CAR? LOCAL RESIDENTS PARKING APPROPRIATE, INCLUDING USABLE, OR SEE IF WE'RE PLANTING SHELBY, BUT TO THE NORTH SOUTH STAR 10 C3 TO THE WEST PROPERTY TO C3 CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER JASON RANDY'S VENDOR CLASSIFICATION, THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST CONSISTENT WITH .

OKAY.

SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION NOW, FIZZY APPLICANT THAT ALL THE DEEPER.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD AS TO THIS APPLICATION AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE, I THINK, UH, JEFF QUESTION, AND THAT'S NOT A QUESTION MR. CHAIR, BUT JUST SOME BACKGROUND WE SAW THIS PARCEL ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

IF YOU REMEMBER SAYING BLESSED BOARD VOTED TO APPROVE IT.

AND IT WAS ULTIMATELY DENIED BY THE BOARD OF ALL THE APPLICANT HAS MET HIS STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS TO WAIT BEFORE HE CAN RESUBMIT.

SO HE HAS DONE SO AGAIN, WHAT WAS THEIR OBJECTION? DO YOU REMEMBER COMMUNITY COMMENTS? WE DO HAVE IT, AND WE SHOULD HAVE SHOWN YOU THIS.

WE HAVE, UH, PROBABLY THREE OTHER REZONINGS TWO COMMERCIAL BREAKS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR IN THE PAST SO MANY YEARS.

UM, AND, UH, THAT JUST SOME BACKGROUND IN CASE

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IT LOOKED FAMILIAR OR JEFF, UM, JUST FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, THE PREVIOUS ONES WERE THOSE APPROVED.

YES.

YES.

SO I'M, , I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM.

SO I SUSPECT THAT I'M GOING TO DO A BRIEF LESS, WE'LL DO THE SAME THING.

YOU GOT THIS ONE LITTLE SECTION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, NOT THAT THIS PAIN, BUT IT MAY, UM, DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT IN? UM, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? OBVIOUSLY THE STAFF, THE ANSWER IS, UH, UH, WE WOULD VIEW THE RANGE OF USES THAT ALLOWED HIM TO COMMERCIALLY AGREE ZONING DISTRICT AND RIGHT.

UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SHARED WITH ME, I BELIEVE HE HAS A ROOFING COMPANY AND IS LOOKING ACTUALLY TO CREATE A SMALL LITTLE OFFICE, BUT MOSTLY I THINK, STORAGE, UM, OF HIS MATERIALS ONSITE, HE WOULD HAVE AN OFFICE.

YEAH.

SO ON THOSE MATERIALS, I WOULD IMAGINE WHEN THE, OF THE GENERAL, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER PROCESS THAT FELT RIGHT THE FALL TO GO BACK TO THE FOLDER.

UM, NOTHING AS A SMALL 12 BY 12 SHED, UM, I BELIEVE STARTED, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE A SHED WITHOUT A PRIMARY USE.

IT'S CONSIDERED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHOUT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

UM, WHY THEIR PETS? THIS IS SAYING, THAT'S JUST SAYING WHERE HE'S HE IT OFF? CORRECT? YEAH.

I THINK THERE'S A, IS THERE A AUTO SHOP NEXT TO IT OR SOMETHING I FORGET, BUT SOME OF THE HOUSE, THEN YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OFFICES, SO YOU GET UP A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN AND YOU START TO GET INTO SOME, RIGHT? MR IS CORRECT.

IT'S ON US 17.

YEAH, THE COMMERCIAL COURT.

THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.

I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T APPROVE IT.

AND HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS MORE THAN ALL THAN SHUT IT DOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME.

UM, THAT'S KIND OF CONTRADICTORY THE WHOLE REASON TO HAVE THE ZONES AND SPECIFICATIONS.

AND IF WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PICK AND CHOOSE, ESPECIALLY ON THE 17 CORRIDOR, IT, GETTING INTO SOME WADING INTO SOME WATERS THAT YOU MAY NOT WANT TO WAIT INTO.

WELL, IF I MAY, MR. JASON, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE RESIGNING PARCEL EIGHT DASH 2 6 28 FROM OUR 10 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO SEEK COMMERCIAL.

I HAVE A MOTION.

THE MOTION IS SECOND, SIR.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

AT THIS TIME WE GO TO OPEN COMMENTS AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, JEFF AND I WERE DISCUSSING OLD AIRPORT ROAD AND WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S PROGRESS IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW THINKING WITH, SO YOU AS THE CITY ENGINEER IS, UH, AN ACTIVELY WORKING WITH, UH, LANDOWNERS ALONG THE PROPOSED, UH, WATERLINE AND HAS SECURITIES MINCED THROUGH SOME PRIVATE PROPERTIES, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL THE WATER LINE.

AND HIS LAST STEP IS WORKING WITH, UH, THE NORTH CAROLINA TRUST, LAND TRUST WHO HAS PROPERTY THAT WE NEED TO GET AN EASEMENT THROUGH.

SO HE'S WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE, THEY, THEY HAVE THE PROJECT, UH, FUNDED AND READY TO GO.

SO IT SHOULD BE MOVING WITHIN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS OR SO MAYBE

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LONGER, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S WELL ON ITS WAY.

AND LAST ONE, THEY HAVE THE EASY MINUTES GONE.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT, UH, THE SITUATION, AS FAR AS PRESSURE ON THE WATER THAT'S ARMS AND ADDITIONAL LOTS OR HOMES WILL IT SERVE BEFORE WE START SEEING THE PROBLEM LIKE DAN, I DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE THE PROBLEM.

YEAH, IT'S FANTASTIC.

WHAT THIS WAS THE LAST TIME THIS WOULD HANDLE THE BUILD OUT YUP.

UH, WATER POWER INVOLVED THAT MAY HANDLE THE BUILD OUT, BUT DOES THAT FUNCTION TO HANDLE ANY OTHER PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THAT OUTSIDE OF BLOOMBERG ARRIVES? IT'S ALMOST COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY A NATIONAL FORCE, CORRECT? YEAH.

THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE COULD, AND THE BOARD HAS MADE A DECISION, REALLY NOT TO JUMP OVER USF AND NEED TO INCORPORATE MORE PROPERTIES INTO ANNEX, MORE PROPERTIES UNTIL WE HAVE MORE OF THE FIRE SERVICE ISSUE HANDLED.

SO EVERYTHING IS PRETTY MUCH EITHER PLANNED TO BE BUILT OR BUILT SOUTH OF THE RIVER.

AND ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ALL WATER SUPPLY CALCULATIONS.

AND WHEN JORDAN WAS HERE IN ALBERTA, WE GOT WATER UNTIL 20, 60 OR SOMETHING BEFORE WE EVEN CONSIDER HALF CAPACITY OR SOMETHING CRAZY LIKE THAT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A WATER SUPPLY ISSUE OR WHAT A QUALITY ISSUE THAT WAS QUITE A DISTANCE.

SOME MEMBERS OF THE FOLLOWUP HAS BEEN ASKING ME, HOW IS THE NEW FIRM BUILDING PERMITTING GO, AND ARE THEY BEING READ TO RISE? AND, UM, SO LET'S SEE HERE IN OCTOBER.

UM, SO WE HAVE JUST ABOUT A LITTLE MORE THAN DOUBLED WHAT WE DID ALL LAST YEAR.

UM, SO WE'RE COMING UP ON ABOUT 400 FAMILY APARTMENTS FOR THE YEAR ONE, UH, WHICH IS A LOT FOR WOMEN.

AND, UH, WE USUALLY DO, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE DID A THINK LIKE A TEAM.

I THINK WE DIDN'T MAKE IT TO 70.

SO DEFINITELY SURPASS WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.

AND WE'RE APPROACHING, WE'RE PROBABLY AT ABOUT DOUBLE.

AND THERE'S ALSO BEEN INTEREST EXPOSED IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD IN NEWBURGH AREA.

CORRECT.

HOW DOES THAT, UH, OSH? YES.

I HAD A MEETING WITH THAT GROUP A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK.

UM, THEY ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING A CHARTER SCHOOL THAT WILL WORK WITH, UM, THEIR DEVELOPER AND THE OWNERS, AND ALSO LOOKING AT A NEW SECTION OF RESIDENTIAL ANOTHER 80 OR SO NOW FOR MYSELF, I'M ALWAYS VERY INTERESTED IN THE, TO VOTE, UH, THE PORTFOLIO, THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA LET'S SEE HERE.

SO TOMORROW THE REGIONAL COMMISSION, UM, WAS GIFTED A HOUSE AT 6 0 2 GASTON.

UM, THAT'S LOCATED BEHIND A BLACK, OLD, BLACK SWAN BUILDING ON THE GASTON BOULEVARD WITH THE NEW FAMILY WIDE RECREATION FACILITY IS GOING TO BE BUILT.

THAT HOUSE IS STARTING TO MOVE TOMORROW, TONIGHT, NINE 11 BANKS, WHERE IT WILL BE REHABBED, UM, AND THEN RENTED OUT THROUGH THOSE ALL MOD INCOME FAMILY.

THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS COMING UP ON A VERY IMPORTANT CLOSING DATE OR, UM, I THINK AN ACRE TOTAL OF PROPERTY, OR SO MAYBE A LITTLE LESS THAN A REDEVELOPMENT AREA, UM, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CONSTRUCT AT THIS POINT, PROBABLY BETWEEN 15, 20 NEW UNITS IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CLOSING AND THEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT TO WORK ON DESIGN SCHEMES AND COSTING FOR THAT.

UM, AND, UH, JUNK VEHICLES HAS BEEN A FOCUS OF THE COMMISSION THIS PAST YEAR.

WE HIRED A NEW NUISANCE ABATEMENT, MENTAL HOUSING OFFICER, UH, SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, UH, DR.

GREGORY HOLMES.

UM, HE'S DONE A FABULOUS JOB IN TWO WEEKS.

AND AS WE MOVED, UM, 12 CARS IN THE COMMUNITY

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IN TWO WEEKS WHERE I'M BUYING IN A ONE YEAR, I REMOVED TWO.

SO GREG'S DOING A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN ME.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WITH THAT, WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, PE PEOPLE CLEAN UP YARDS AND, UH, JUMPED LIKE CONDITIONS AND WHATNOT, BUT OUR FOCUS IS ON JUNK CARS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE ALMOST A PLATE.

UM, AND HERE COMMUNITY CLEANUP WAS COMING NOVEMBER 6TH.

AND SO EVER SINCE RIGHT, FIFTH AND SIX, WE HAVE A NEW COMMUNITY CLEANUP IN THE, IN THE AREA.

UM, GREAT.

UM, OCTOBER 18TH DATE HERE, PRETTY SURE 18, WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC INPUT MEETING IN THIS ROOM, UM, TO GATHER PUBLIC INPUT ON THE DEPUTY FIELD STORMWATER PROJECT, AS ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS THAT WE WORKED ON AS THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION UTILIZING, UH, THE THEME OF BYLAWS THAT WE HAVE BACK THERE ARE NUMEROUS, UM, BEING BIO LOCKS THAT WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH.

I BECAME A NUISANCE COMMUNITY OVERGROWTH, THE TRASH COLLECTION, UM, AND JUST RELATIVELY SWAMPY LAND, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT WAS BEING BUYOUTS THAT WERE REPETITIVE LOSS PROPERTIES FROM FLOODING.

UH, WE'VE OWNED THEM FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS OR SO, AND HAD DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM.

UH, WE APPROACHED ME MORE WITH A PLAN TO SAY, HEY, IF, UM, IF WE CAN WE DIG THESE THINGS OUT AND MAKE THEM A RETENTION POND, THEY SAID, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE.

UM, WE'VE HIRED, UH, AN ENGINEER CONCEPTUALLY DESIGNED AND FOUND OUT THAT IT ACTUALLY CAN WORK.

UM, SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.

UM, WE ARE GETTING FUNDING FROM VARIOUS GRANT SOURCES TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS BACK ALREADY.

UM, YOU CAN SEE IF YOU HEAD UP TOWARDS THE MIDDLE STREET, UH, BY WEST EIGHTH STREET, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY STARTED, UH, DUG SOME HOLES AND MOVE SOME DIRT AROUND FOR THAT.

SO THAT PROJECT, WHEN IT'S COMPLETED, WILL EXTEND, UH, FROM WEST EIGHT, ESSENTIALLY DOWN ALONG THE CEMETERY, DOWN TOWARDS WHAT ROAD IS AS THE HOMES CHURCH ON DAWN, TOWARDS CYPRUS HEAD DOWN TOWARDS LIKE 80 AREA, UM, WILL BE, UH, A REALLY A BRAND NEW RETENTION POND, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A VOCOLLECT AND DRIVER ATTENTION.

SO THOSE PORTION OF IT WILL ALWAYS BE WET.

SOME OF THE ROLLING BE WET WHEN IT RAINS, THE PORTION THAT'S DRY IS GOING TO BE, UM, PLANTED WITH WETLAND TYPE SPECIES AND NITROGEN FIXING FOSTERS, FIXING, UH, UH, PLANTS TO CLEAN THE WATER THAT WATER WILL BE COLLECTED, CLEAN, PUMPED UP TO BILL STREET POND.

AND THAT ACTUALLY FURTHER UP, I THINK, ROSE STREET AND PUMPED INTO, UM, THE JACK SMITH'S CREEK WETLAND.

UH, PART OF THAT PROJECT IS ALSO A LINEAR PARK.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BOARDWALKS, UH, INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE ALL ALONG IT, UM, TO CREATE A COMMUNITY, MATT, UH, MATT, ANY MORE OF A PARK-LIKE SETTING, UM, ALSO SERVING A STORM WATER RETENTION.

THE PROJECT ITSELF WILL TREAT THE STORM WATER FROM THE TWENTY-FIVE TWENTY-FIVE YEAR STORM, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A LITTLE MORE THAN WHAT OUR CONTEMPORARY RESTRICTIONS ARE RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'LL HOPEFULLY ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE PERIODIC FLOODING THAT WE SEE IN THAT AREA IS VERY LOW, UM, WHICH IS ROUTINE RAIN.

UM, SO TO START TO DRY IT OUT, CREATE A COMMUNITY AMENITY, HOPEFULLY, UM, INCREASE SOME VALUE IN THE COMMUNITY, GET SOME INVESTMENT.

THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CONTROLS A LOT OF PROPERTY UP THERE ON WEST EIGHTH STREET, ACTUALLY AT THE TOP OF THE PROJECT BETWEEN BIDDLE AND WEST DAY.

UM, IF JANUARY, LET ME TEAR DOWN THE HOUSES THERE.

WE CAN GET GOING ON THAT PROJECT TO ANOTHER 25 UNITS THAT ARE BRAND NEW UNITS THAT WE CAN BUILD THERE.

UM, WHAT ARE YOU DOING THE EXISTING ON THAT OVER RIGHT BILL AND RAILROAD TRACKS? IT LOOKS LIKE THE MONSTER FROM THE BLACK A GUN COULD FALL OUT OF IT.

AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT DOESN'T AT NIGHT, IT'S AWFUL.

WHAT ARE WE DOING TO CLEAN THAT WAR? OR AT LEAST MAKE IT LESS, UM, LESS HAZARDOUS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I MEAN, IF THAT WAS A SIX YEAR OLD CHILD, THAT WOULD BE AN ENTICING PLACE TO GO AND A REALLY BAD PLACE TO BE SURE.

WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT.

UM, SO ALL THE WATER THAT'S COLLECTED DUMPED OFF THE FIELD, UM, HAS NO STORM WATER TREATMENT.

SO EVERYTHING THAT'S COLLECTED IN THAT BOND RUNS OFF THE DOCK HILL TO GET THE COLLECTS.

AND THE DUFFY LOOKING OUT, GOES INTO THE BIDDLE STREET POND WITH PUMPED ONTO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND JASPER JACK SMITH CREEK WETLAND, WHICH DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF FILTERING

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OUT THE FLUIDS BEFORE IT DISCHARGES INTO THE NEWS.

UM, SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TAKING THE BILLS THROUGH POND AND INCREASING THE SIZE TENFOLD.

SO INSTEAD OF ALL OF THAT NITROGEN COLLECTING THE ONE SPOT CAUSING THE CREATURE OF THE BLACK LAGOON, UM, EFFECT THAT BLOG THAT GETS THEM WILL ALREADY HAVE BEEN TREATED THROUGH THESE WEAPONS SYSTEM THAT WE'RE CREATING, UM, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEANER BEFORE IT GETS.

THAT'S GREAT, BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING RIGHT NOW? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO CLEAN THE WATER A LITTLE BIT? THE NEIGHBORS ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT IT AND RIGHTLY SAID, SURE.

UM, NO, IT'S A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

SO IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WE'LL BE DONE.

UM, BUT THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE.

CAN YOU PUT UP SOME TIME OF FENCING TO KEEP THE KIDS OUT OF IT? I CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE FEARS.

SURE.

WHAT AFTERWARDS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD I MET, UM, WELL, LIABILITY IS LIABILITY FACT THAT WE ACTUALLY PUT A FENCE UP, ACTUALLY EXPOSES US TO LIABILITY, BUT HONESTLY, UM, SO THEY'LL WORK THAT OUT.

IT COULD BE A CONSTRUCTION FENCE, BUT THEY GO OVER IT, THEY GO UNDER IT.

AS WE SAW WITH THE HOME, THE HOUSE THAT FELL OVER INTO MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, WE PUT UP BARRICADES AND PEOPLE WOULD JUST DRIVING AROUND AND THEY GO AROUND IT ANYWAY.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T PUT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE UP.

THAT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, $10,000.

THAT'S GOING TO GET TORN DOWN, BUT I'LL WORK IT OUT.

I'LL TALK TO PUBLIC, WORKS ABOUT WHAT WE DO AND THEN MAYBE STARTING TO START CONSTRUCTION SOON, SOON.

UM, NO, YOU CAN INTRODUCE MAYBE A BIOLOGICAL CONTROL, SOME OF THE ALBUMIN THAT'S WHAT THE PROJECT IS.

YEAH.

BUT RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BASIN OF ABOUT 80, 90 ACRES JUST THERE.

UM, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE REST OF DUFFY FIELD WHERE THAT FEEDS INTO, AND I THINK THE DUCK FIELDS CAN NOW COLLECT WATER FROM ABOUT 600 ACRES.

WE'RE NOT MUCH OF THAT UNTREATED.

SO WHEN YOU SAY DO SOMETHING, YOUR F FEEL CADASIL AND EVERYTHING OFF OF NOOSA BOULEVARD FROM THE HOSPITAL BACK ALSO TAKING OVER THE LOW LANDS AND DUFFY FIELDS.

SO YOU'RE GETTING ALL SORTS OF ROAD RUNOFF AND ELSE, WHICH IS JUST NOXIOUS INSTRUCTION THAT CHANGES, UM, TH THE SUB-BASIN THE CCH OR SUB-BASIN WILL THAT WATER WILL BE COLLECTED IN TRUTH.

IT DOES.

I HAVE NOT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT FOR THE DUCTAL CANAL THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO REALLY, UM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY CONSIDERED A CHANNELIZED STREAM AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO KIND OF RETURN TO ITS NATURAL STATE, UM, TO ALLOW MORE TREATMENT WATER, SORT OF WHERE WE'RE, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF GRANTS OUT FOR THAT ONE ALSO, AND IT'S GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION.

WE DO A NATURAL STATE OF THE DUFFY FIELD CAN NOW, IS IT, DOES IT HAVE STUFF GROWING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOMATO? LIKE IT DOES NOW, IS THAT CONSIDERED THEM? IT'S REALLY GETTING RID OF THE HARD EDGES.

RIGHT? SO AT SOME POINT AT SOME PLACES, FIVE FEET WIDE, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO GET RID OF THAT SLOPES, PLANTINGS TO CATCH RUNOFF AND TREAT DROUGHT BEFORE IT GETS SLOW DOWN THE FLOW.

RIGHT? ALL OF THE LARGE APPLIANCES.

I HAVE NOT, NO, MA'AM WE HAVEN'T GOT THERE YET, BUT WE WILL.

AND QUITE, IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

I KNOW.

IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN A DAY.

I'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS THOUSAND.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING TO FIX THE ADDRESS, THOSE ISSUES, NOTHING'S GOING TO FIX IT.

SO ON THE CLEANUP DAY, I'VE NEVER, EVER BEEN AT SIX.

WHAT DOES THAT DOES NOT MEAN TRASH DOESN'T FEEL FINISHED? PROJECT IS HEADINGS, NOT EVEN APPLIANCES AND FINISHED PROJECT IS SETTING TO CLEAN UP.

WE'RE WORKING WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WITH HABITAT, WITH THE LOCAL CHURCHES, SEVERAL OTHER GROUPS.

UM, AND WE WILL GO THROUGH AND LITERALLY PICK UP TRASH ON THE STREETS AND ON THE RIGHT PLACE, WE WILL NOT GO INTO YARDS UNLESS WE ARE INVITED.

UM, WE ARE SENDING OUT A FLYER AHEAD OF TIME.

THAT WILL SAY, IF YOU HAVE LARGE APPLIANCES OR ANYTHING LARGE, YOU WANT TO GET RID OF, LET ME KNOW, AND WE WILL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO GET IT GONE.

WE HAVE A CITY TRUCK GOING THROUGH ON FRIDAY, PICKING UP THE REFUGE, MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

THEN WE'VE GOT THE COUNTY, UM, RIGHT THROUGH, I MEAN, AND ON FRIDAY YOU CAN CLEAN UP THE RAILWAY TRACK

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AREA, WHICH THEY DO EVERY TIME.

THEY TYPICALLY CLEAN UP AROUND THE K STREET AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG TRASH DOCK.

UM, AND THEY MAY START DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW FOR ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS, AND DUFFY FEELS MUCH CLEANER.

IT USED TO TAKE US 21 HOURS TO CLEAN IT UP OVER THREE DAYS.

NOW IT TAKES ABOUT EIGHT HOURS OR TWO DAYS.

WOW.

SO IT'S, IT'S MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

WE STILL SEE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS COMING IN AFTER MIDNIGHT AND BEING DUMPED RATHER THAN TAKEN TO THE DUMP.

LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.

AND DUFFY FIELD TENDS TO FUNCTION ON A DON'T NOTICE.

DON'T TELL.

SO FORTUNATELY WE'RE SEEING LESS THAN INSTRUCTION, BUT THERE'S STILL DRYWALL TO BACK OR SAYINGS LIKE THAT.

FIRST TIME WE DID IT, WE PULLED OUT ALL THE MATTRESSES.

THE REASON I WAS ASKING ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF IN THE CANAL, THE CANAL IS FULL OF OVERGROWTH AND ALL SORTS OF THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A SHOW IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

HE ONE SPOT.

I REMEMBER WHEN I READ THROUGH IT AND YOU COULD SEE A LOT OF THAT.

YEAH.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAVEN'T HEARD NOTHING AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LOVE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION SECONDED.

YES, YES, YES, YES.