Oct 12, 2021 Board of Aldermen

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, MS. GONZALES.

I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND COMING ON TO THE PROMISE PLACE.

UM, IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN SUPPORT.

PLEASE LET THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I DO APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE, YOUR MAJOR FUNDRAISER.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING A QUESTION.

UM, FOR EIGHT YEARS WE HAVE HAD AN ANNUAL FUNDRAISER CALLED THE BARN BASH.

IT IS HOSTED BY A LOCAL INDIVIDUAL WHO VOLUNTEERS HER TIME AND RESOURCES AT HER FARM, WHERE WE HAVE OUR BARN BASH DUE TO THE COVID.

WE HAD TO MAKE A PIVOT LAST YEAR TO A VIRTUAL PLATFORM.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT FACE-TO-FACE PIG PECK IN AND GOOD TIME THAT WE USUALLY DO, WE HAD TO RECREATE THAT ONLINE BECAUSE THINGS WERE PRETTY UNCERTAIN THIS YEAR, OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, WE ELECTED TO HAVE A VIRTUALLY, AGAIN, THIS YEAR, INDIVIDUALS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DONATED TO US, AND THOSE FUNDS WILL BE USED TO SUPPORT THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.

WE ARE ALSO OFFERING A 50, 50 RAFFLE TICKET, UM, WHERE FOLKS CAN BUY A TICKET FOR $20 OR BUY FIVE AND GET ONE FREE FOR 100.

AND IF ALL OF OUR TICKETS ARE SOLD, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WIN $20,000.

UM, WE HAVE THAT FUNDRAISER EVERY YEAR.

IT IS OUR MAIN FUNDRAISER.

ALTHOUGH WE ARE HOPING TO DIVERSIFY TO A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS FOR FOLKS THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT OUT TO THE FARM.

WELL, IS IT OKAY TO MENTION WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE ADMIT THAT HOST, THAT I WOULD LOVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM? UH, TOMMY AND WENDY BATON, WHO MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, UM, GRACIOUSLY ALLOW US TO USE THEIR BARN IN PAST YEARS.

LIKE I SAID, THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR WE HAD IT ONLINE.

UM, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, MR. TOMMY JUST PASSED AWAY.

UM, HE HAS CONTRIBUTED A LOT FOR OUR ORGANIZATION AND EVEN HIS PASSING AND HIS FAMILY WAS THE APPLE OF OUR CLIENTS IN THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVED AND ASKED THAT DONATIONS HE MADE TO OUR ORGANIZATION IN LIEU OF FLAPPERS.

WELL, I'LL JUST, UH, I DIDN'T MAKE PICTURE ON SPOTLIGHT.

SO, UM, TOMMY AND LIBBY, I MEAN, THEY THAT'S ALL THEY EVER TALK TO ME ABOUT WAS POUNCE PLACE.

AND I MEAN, MAN, I'M LOSING TOMMY.

TOMMY WAS KIND OF BIGGER THAN LIFE AND IF ANYBODY HAD OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW HIM AND, UH, HE DID RECENTLY PASS, BUT I'VE NEVER, I'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF BUCKS AND THEY'VE NOT EVER, UM, WHERE MY HEAD'S ENERGY THAT TOMMY AND WHEN THEY HAVE TO CALL US LIKE THEY DO.

AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO MENTION THAT.

AND I WANT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TOMMY BEING IN PRAYERS, IF HE DID, HE WAS GREAT.

THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED UNFOLD HOURS AND RESOURCES TO SUPPORTING OUR ORGANIZATION.

AND, UM, WE ARE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT SUPPORT.

THEY'RE JUST AMAZING HUMAN BEINGS.

WELL THANK YOU FOR

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COMING UP AND, UH, I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL FUNNELING.

I DO HOPE SO.

AND AGAIN, PLEASE REACH OUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT OUR SERVICES OR REFERRAL PROCESS.

I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT.

LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AS SOON AS THE PRESENTATION BY DRAPER ADEN AND AMANDA OLIN SEVEN ON THE EPA BROWNFIELDS GRANT PROGRAM, AND ALSO TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUBMISSION OF A BROWNFIELDS GRANT APPLICATION.

[8. Presentation on Environmental Protection Agency' s Brownfields Grant Program and Consider Adopting a Resolution Authorizing Submission of a Grant Application.]

AND ONLY A VISION FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

HONORABLE MAYOR AND THE BOULEVARD FOR GIVING, GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ABOUT THE EPA BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM.

AND IF I'M NOT SPEAKING LOUD ENOUGH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

UM, THIS IS IN SUPPORT OF THE CITY STEPS, UM, DESIRE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION THE PA THIS FALL TO SEEK FEDERAL FUNDING, TO ASSESS AND REDEVELOP BROWNFIELDS AND THE CITY, UM, I'LL MOVE FORWARD AND GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM TO BEGIN WITH.

WE'LL DO A BROWNFIELDS ONE-ON-ONE OR VIEW, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS BROWNFIELDS.

WHY DO YOU NEED TO GO AFTER THIS CLAN? WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THIS GRANT? WHAT SORT OF, UM, UM, UH, BENEFITS COME FROM IT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PA PROGRAM AND ALSO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NORTH CAROLINA STATE PROGRAM, THE TYPES OF FUNDING THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND, UH, AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE THEM AND RESPOND.

SO WHY HAVE YOU HERE? UH, THE CITY, UH, BACK IN 2009 HAD HAD SUBMITTED AND SUCCESSFULLY RECEIVED GRANTS FROM EPA TO ASSESS THE BROWNFIELDS AND SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THAT, UM, GRANT CYCLE IN 2012, IN THAT CYCLE, THE CITY HAD ASSESSED SEVERAL PROPERTIES AND MANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN THE CITY OVER THE LAST DECADE.

AND, UH, UM, CITY WOULD LIKE TO, THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO REFRESH THAT AND RESUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION TO GET MORE FEDERAL FUNDING IN SUPPORT OF THE 20, 20 REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE GREATER FIVE POINTS AREA SO QUICKLY.

WHAT IS A BROWNFIELD? BROWNFIELD IS ANY REAL PROPERTY WITH POSSIBILITIES OF EXPANSION DEVELOPMENTALLY USE, AND THIS COULD BE YOUR GARDEN, VARIETY, GAS STATION, UM, UH, UH, A STRIP MALL.

UH, TYPICALLY A BIG INDUSTRY IS WHAT COMES TO MIND WHEN YOU THINK OF A BROWNFIELD, UH, CLOSED OUT DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE.

IT COULD, BUT IT COULD REALLY BE ANYTHING.

IT COULD BE A SCHOOL.

IT COULD BE, UH, OPEN LAND, WHICH WAS ONCE A, MAYBE A FOUNDRY, MAYBE A GAS STATION, BUT WHERE THAT IS THE PERCEPTION OR POTENTIAL FOR CHEMICAL CONTAMINANTS TO BE PRESENT.

AND IT USUALLY DETRACTS FROM INVESTORS TO INVEST ON THOSE KINDS OF PROPERTIES.

THERE'S THE CONCERN ASSOCIATED WITH HOW MUCH CHEMICALS IS OUT THERE THAT CAN BE TOO LARGE.

AND SOMETIMES THEY SEE THESE PROPERTIES SIT AROUND AND GET MOTHBALLED FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.

EPA RECOGNIZED THIS A LONG TIME BACK AND DECIDED TO INVEST IN THESE PROPERTIES.

SO FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO, APA PUTS OUT A COMPETITION AT THE FALL OR WINTER TIMEFRAME AND, UH, APPLICATIONS ARE INVITED AND IN SUPPORT OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.

SO THEY WILL BE SUBMITTING ONE.

AND, UM, YEAH, SO THIS WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK THROUGH IT.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER BROWNFIELD SITE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH BROWNFIELDS? YOU TYPICALLY UNDER THIS GLAND, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DIED, IDENTIFY THE BROWNFIELDS.

SO YOU'D GO ON STUDYING THE DATABASES AND PREPARING AN INVENTORY.

YOU DO SITE REVIEWS AND ADD TO THE LIST OF BROWNFIELD SITES.

AND ONCE YOU HAVE THE INVENTORY READY, YOU WILL PRIORITIZE THOSE SITES.

AND THE PRIORITIES WOULD BE YOUR PRIORITIES WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU WANT TO SEE INVESTMENT DONE AND REDEVELOPMENT DONE.

AND THE CITY STAFF'S INTENTION IS TO GET THIS GLAND, TO FOCUS ON THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, THE PLAN READER DATA AND THE GRADE OF FIVE POINTS.

AND ONCE YOU PRIORITIZE THOSE SITES, YOU WILL ASSESS THOSE SITES, MEANING COMPLETE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND THEN PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND REMEDIATION.

AND ULTIMATELY, UM, THIS TURNS INTO, UH, TAKING MULTIPLE PROPERTIES AND GETTING FINANCIAL VALUE OR AT THE, OF THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT.

SO HOW MUCH MONEY IS AVAILABLE, UH, UNDER THE EPA BROWNFIELDS ASSESSMENT MATH PROGRAM, IT'S $500,000 OF A SINGLE GRANT.

SO THE VALUE OF THE GRANT TO THE CITY WOULD BE $500,000 FOR THE BEST PART OF THIS GRANT IS THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO MATCH REQUIREMENT.

AND IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE PA'S OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S BEST KEPT SECRET.

UM, IT IS A VERY, VERY COMPETENT GRANT PROGRAM, BUT STILL HAVING NO MATH REQUIREMENT

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IT'S A GREAT TOOL TO HAVE IN YOUR TOOLBOX.

WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF INVESTING THESE BROWNFIELDS? IT IS GLANCING TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT OF BROWNFIELDS.

YOU ESSENTIALLY PROMOTE ECOLOGICAL RESPONSIBILITY AND TRANSFORM UNDER UTILIZED AND UNUSED PROPERTIES.

YOU REVITALIZE CHALLENGE LOCAL ECONOMIES, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING.

THIS WOULD JUST BE ONE, NOT ONE TOOL IN YOUR TOOLBOX, WHICH HELPS SUPPORT THAT IT WILL FOSTER THE USE OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND ULTIMATELY WHEN PROPERTIES ARE REDEVELOPED, IT CREATES JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE LOCAL POPULATION.

AND IT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE STORE'S ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND QUALITY OF LIFE, ESPECIALLY FOR, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE LONG BEEN SUBJECT TO ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE.

AND THIS YEAR'S EPA GRANT APPLICATION PROCESS INTENDS TO HIGHLIGHT SIGNIFICANTLY ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, UM, PRAYER AS A PRIORITY ITEM.

AND ULTIMATELY THIS IS JUST LIKE I SAID, ONE TOOL IN YOUR TOOLBOX, ESSENTIALLY THE REDEVELOPMENT WILL COME FROM HAVING THESE ASSESSMENTS AND PLANNING COMPLETED, BUT THEN IN, IN WHITING, OTHER INVESTORS TO COME IN OR GETTING OTHER SORTS OF GRANTS AND FUNDS, BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC TO REDEVELOP YOUR PROPERTIES.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE SITES THAT WE PICKED FROM YOUR, UM, REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT THEY'RE ONLY STOCK PHOTOS.

AT THIS POINT.

WE HAVE NOT INVESTED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME TO SHORTLIST ANY SITES THAT WILL BE THE CITY STAFF'S PRIORITY AND PREROGATIVE.

WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF TO ASSIST WITH SELECTION OF SITES AND PREPARING THE DOWNFIELD ASSESSMENT GRANT APPLICATION, AND WHAT CAN BE COMPLETED WITH THOSE BANDS.

IF THE, IF THE, IF THE CITY IS FUNDED EVENTUALLY LEAD FALL OF 2020, WHEN THE FUNDS WILL BE RELEASED TO THE CITY, AND YOU CAN COMPLETE ALL THESE TASKS THAT YOU SEE ON THIS TEAM, UH, PHASE ONE IS A DESKTOP TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.

AND A PHASE TWO IS A MORE ELABORATE TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.

THE OTHER KINDS OF ASSESSMENTS THAT YOU CAN COMPLETE ARE THE, AS TESTING, LEAD BASED, PAINT, TESTING, MORE TESTING, EVEN STRUCTURAL AND GEOPHYSICAL ASSESSMENTS TO SEE IF THERE ARE KIND OF STRUCTURAL INSTABILITIES ON A STRUCTURE YOU WANT TO USE, OR THE HIDDEN BODY SUBSURFACE STRUCTURES.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL CONTROL MY PRESENTATION AND OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS.

OH YEAH, I THINK THIS IS AMAZING.

SO, UM, I W I WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN WE DID THE ONE IN, UM, 20 11, 20 12.

WE WERE IN THAT TIMEFRAME.

AND, UM, THIS WILL BE JUST SPECIFIC THOUGH, BECAUSE WE DID IT IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF NEWBURN.

THIS WILL BE JUST SPECIFIC TO THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

IS THAT CORRECT? OR THE CNI, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? AND THAT IS THE INTENT AT THIS POINT, THE SIMPLE STEP WILL HAVE TO FIND LICE IF THERE IS ANY OTHER ADL FOCUS.

BUT THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM THEM IS TO FOCUS ON THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

THIS WOULD, THIS JUST BE FOR CITY OWNED PROPERTIES OR PRIVATE OWNERS.

SO IT'S FOR PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES.

THIS GRANT WOULD THEN PAY FOR A PHASE ONE AND A PHASE TWO IF NECESSARY IT'S FOR ANY PROPERTY CITY OWN THE PRIVATE YOU MILES WITH IT IS THE INITIAL FOR $500,000 GRANT.

AND I WILL BE COMPETING WITH A LOT OF THE CITIES, ET CETERA, IS, UM, IF YOU RAN INTO A, UH, ATYPICAL ANOMALY SITUATION WITH THAT SHINGLE MOUNTAIN IN DALLAS, TEXAS, OR SOMETHING, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU RUN INTO THAT AND IDENTIFY YOU GOT A REAL IMMEDIATE, NATURAL AMANDA REAL ENVIRONMENT PROBLEM.

UM, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STUCK AT 500,000.

WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN SUBSTANCE IS SAS? IT'S JUST LIKE A PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO.

IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, MS. MAYOR, UM, YOU'RE HONING IN RIGHT ON THE C SIGNIFICANT ISSUE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS GRANT.

IT'S ALWAYS CONCERNED THAT IF YOU OPEN UP AND ASSESS A PROPERTY, WHAT DO YOU FIND? AND IF YOU FIND HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH IT? BUT THE REALITY IS, UM, BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM IS SET UP NOT TO GO AFTER SUPERFUND SORT OF SITES AND SUPER YOU'RE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH EVERYONE.

THOSE ARE THE BIG HAWKING INDUSTRIES WITH LOTS OF SPILLING CHEMICALS, THE FOCUS OF FEDERAL INVESTMENTS IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES, AND TWO THOUSANDS.

NOW THESE, THIS PROGRAM DOES NOT INTEND TO SUPPORT THOSE KINDS OF SITES.

SO A BROWNFIELD BY DEFINITION SHOULD NOT BE A SUPERFUND SITE, SHOULD NOT BE A SITE THAT THAT'S UNDER ANY KIND OF STATE OR FEDERAL OVERSIGHT OR MANDATE.

SO IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT WE WILL GO AFTER AND ASSESS A SITE THAT HAS A SERIOUS ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN.

SO I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MANY COMMUNITIES ON BROWNFIELDS PROGRAM FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS, AND WE ARE VERY CAREFUL IN GUIDING THE COMMUNITIES AND SELECTING THE BROWNFIELD SITES.

YOU WANT TO RUN THROUGH THE PROGRAM.

YOU DON'T NOT WANT TO PICK A SITE THAT IS THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IT.

UH, IT WOULD NOT BE, UM, A MANAGEABLE, UH, SITE UNDER THIS PROGRAM.

THE, THERE IS A DIFFERENT PROGRAM

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FOR THAT THIRD PLAN OR THE PROGRAMS, AND THEN MANDATED PROGRAMS. THIS WOULD ONLY FOCUS ON SITES THAT HAVE LOW ENVIRONMENTAL RISKS WITH HIGH POTENTIAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL BEEF, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BASED ON THE COUPLE OF PICTURES.

MA'AM, IT'S PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE RESIDENTIAL.

NOW THE QUESTION IS, YES.

SO WE JUST NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION THAT WE SUPPORT THEM, UM, STAFF APPLYING FOR THIS GRANT.

I'M IN SUPPORT.

I'M IN SUPPORT AS WELL.

IT'S GOOD TO GET MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

PERIOD.

THERE'S A RESOLUTION WHEN YOU GET READY.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR, BUT THE 9 25 BROAD STREET, UM, LOCATION, UM, I KNOW THIS IS FOR A GRANT APPLICATION, BUT I KNOW YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE, UH, OF GOING IN AT THAT PARTICULAR SITE? IS THAT FOR THE FORMERS, UM, THIS, UH, MOTEL PROPERTY, CORRECT.

UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT IS, UH, ONE OF THE TARGET SITES THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN CONSIDERING.

SO WHAT WE WILL DO THERE TO BEGIN WITH, UH, EPA WOULD EXPECT THAT A PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT BE DONE.

SO YOU'D GET AN ENVIRONMENTAL BILL OF HEALTH FOR THE PROPERTY.

AND ALSO, UH, EPA IS ENCOURAGING NEW GRANTEES OR THE LAST FIVE PLUS YEARS TO FOCUS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLANNING.

SO SOME OF THESE FUNDS CAN ACTUALLY BE USED TO PLAN FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE.

THE PHASE ONE FINDINGS, THEY WILL PAY THE GRANT MAY HAE FOR THE PHASE TWO.

SO IT WAS ABOUT HER BED, RIGHT.

BUT, UM, IF YOU DID A BROWN FIELD STUDY, IS THAT PHASE ONE OR A PHASE TWO, OR WHAT IS IT? SO UNDER BROWNFIELDS, WHEN YOU DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE A PHASE ONE ASSESSMENT.

AND THEN IF IT'S, UM, WELL ONLY IT'S INTERESTING THAT PROBABLY SOME OF THE DOPE, THE MORE BARS PROPERTIES ARE ONES THAT DON'T QUALIFY OTHER VENDOR.

THIS GRANT, I COULDN'T BE MEAN, I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE PROPERTIES THAT NEED IMMEDIATE REMEDIATION AND THEY WOULD NOT QUALIFY, OR YES, IT COULD STILL QUALIFY AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A SITE THAT'S UNDER THE STATE PETROLEUM PROGRAM OR STATE RECLA THE PROGRAM THAT OVERSEAS BASED SITE OR UNDER SERVED FLIGHT COULD STILL QUALIFY IT DOESN'T.

BUT THIS GRANT MONEY IS NOT INTENDED TO ACTUALLY EAT SITES.

IT'S ONLY FOR THE ASSESSMENT.

THAT IS ANOTHER GRANT SPECIFICALLY FOR REMEDIATION.

IT'S MUCH MORE COMPETENT OF THAT IF YOU DOLLARS OUT THERE.

UM, THE GOAL IS THAT EPA EXPECTS THAT 90% OF SITES REALLY NEED ASSESSMENT.

AND AT THE END OF THE ASSESSMENT, WHAT YOU REALIZE IS THE LEVEL OF REMEDIATION YOU NEED IS FAIRLY BASIC IF AT ALL REQUIRED.

AND YOU CAN READ OUT THESE PROPERTIES MUCH MORE QUICKER, BUT IF THE SITE NEEDS REMEDIATION MEDIATION, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UH, SO I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTION, LIKE IF YOU'RE DOING WEAPONS AND YOU GET A DELINEATION DONE, AND THEN THE POOR SIGNS OFF ON IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DONE.

UM, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, UH, IN THIS CASE, IF YOU GET A BROWN FIELD STUDY DONE AND THE BANK, YOU KNOW, FIRST THING ON THE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL AMOUNT, WON'T, UH, PHASE ONE, DOES THIS KIND OF, IS THIS, DOES THIS STAMP IT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T NEED ANY FURTHER INVESTIGATION OR ANALYSIS? OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF AUTHORITY.

UM, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO INVEST THESE FUNDS IN YOUR COMMUNITIES AND HAVE THESE PHASE FUNDS AND PHASE TWOS IN HAND IN SUPPORT OF AN INVESTOR OR YOUR INVESTMENT AND DEVELOPING A SITE.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY THAT THE NCD DQ OR EPA HAS TO STAMP AND SAY, THIS IS IT.

IT'S THE FINAL THING.

BUT FOR A BUYER, WHEN YOU DO A PHASE ONE, IT IS YOUR ALL APPROPRIATE INQUIRY PROTECTION OF YOUR LIABILITIES.

IF YOU END UP BUYING A PROPERTY, TYPICALLY A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

AND IF YOU GO TO A BANK FOR A LOAN, THE FIRST THING THEY ASK YOU IS A PHASE ONE AND IT COST MONEY.

SO INVESTORS ARE RELUCTANT TO INVEST IN PROPERTIES WHERE THEY HAVE TO DO A PHASE ONE AND THEN MAYBE EVEN DO A PHASE TWO.

SO THAT'S THE VALUE OF THIS PROGRAM.

AND MR. DIXON, I'M TRYING TO, I'M KIND OF ASKING THEM FAIR.

IF, IF THIS GIVES THE GOLD SEAL OF APPROVAL IN LIEU OF A PHASE ONE, OR IF A PERSON HAS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND WE, THIS IS PART OF THE PROGRAM, THIS IS A BANK STILL CALLED FROM PHASE ONE OF THIS.

SO IF THE BANK, THIS IS HOW IT WENT THE LAST TIME, I ASSUME IT'S IN THE SAME PROCESS.

YES MA'AM BUT THEY IDENTIFY SITES THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO.

THEY TALK, THEY ASKED THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, MAY THEY DO A PHASE, ONE ASSESSMENT.

IF THEY APPROVE, THEY'VE GOT A PHASE ONE, THEY GET A COPY OF THAT REPORT.

SO THIS GRANT ACTUALLY PAYS FOR THAT.

IF THEY DEEM THAT THEY HAVE TO DO A PHASE TWO, BASED ON

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SO YOU THAT'S USUALLY THE EXPENSE, USUALLY, YOU KNOW, PHASE ONE COULD BE 1500, $2,000, DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY.

THE PHASE TWO IS MORE EXPENSIVE.

AND JUST, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT JUST SOUNDED ME LIKE, UH, SOUND ME LIKE THEY WERE GOING QUALIFIED PROPERTIES THAT DIDN'T FALL INTO PHASE TWO, THE CATEGORY, BUT NOTHING.

THAT WAS THE BEST BOOK THERE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE $500,000, UM, AND TO DISCOVERY ALONG IS THE, UH, THE EXPENSE DON'T GO OVER THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S JUST, THAT IS CURRENT TO THE TOTAL VALUE OF THIS GRANT IS 500,000.

THAT'S ABOUT THAT'S ALL EPA WILL RELEASE.

AND ON ANY SPECIFIC SITE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEND MORE THAN 150,000.

SO THAT'S EVERY INDIVIDUAL SITE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.

I MAY, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION.

NO.

OKAY, SIR, WAS THERE ANYTHING QUESTIONS ON THAT? YEAH, WE HAVE MOST OF THE QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO SAY.

NO, I JUST WANTED TO THANK ST FOR HIS TIME AND COMING DOWN TODAY.

I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT OVER VIEW OF THE PROGRAM.

SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.

UH, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTED WITH ELEMENT HOLDERMAN.

BINGO.

A WOMAN HARRIS ASKED HER.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

AND EMOTIONAL CURIOUS, ANY OTHER ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH, I REMEMBER EIGHT.

WE ARE READY TO MOVE TO THE NEXT TIME, RIGHT?

[9. Presentation of Guidelines for Elected and Appointed Boards, Commissions, and Committees Using Personal or Official Social Media Platforms.]

BECOME CONVINCED THAT A LITTLE SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING LARGELY SO THAT I CAN MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THERE ARE TRAPS FOR THE UNWARY.

NUMBER NINE.

THIS ITEM IS TO, FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY TO LEAD A DISCUSSION ON GUIDELINES FOR ELECTED AND APPOINTED BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES USING PERSONAL OR OFFICIAL SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. MIRIAM'S THE BOARD.

UM, THIS IS OUR FIRST INTRODUCTION WITH YOU TO A DRAFT SET OF GUIDELINES THAT WE HOPE WILL BE HELPFUL TO YOU AS WELL AS APPOINTED OFFICIALS WHO SERVE ON OUR VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.

THESE SOCIAL MEDIA ISSUES COME IN THREE BROAD CATEGORIES.

ONE ARE THE LAWS THAT APPLY TO ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS.

THE OTHER AREA OF THE LAWS THAT APPLY TO EMPLOYEES AND THE THIRD AREA IS BROADLY THE ADMINISTRATION OF SOCIAL MEDIA WITH RESPECT TO STAFF AND ADMINISTRATION, AND WHAT YOU AS A BOARD WANT TO SEE THE CITY ENGAGE IN FOR ITS SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. TONIGHT, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST BUCKET OF ISSUES.

THOSE ARE THE GUIDELINES AND LAWS THAT APPLY TO ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS.

THE FIRST TAKEAWAY FROM THIS DOCUMENT, THESE ARE GUIDELINES OFFERED IN THE SPIRIT OF HELPING YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR LEGAL OBLIGATIONS ARE WITH RESPECT TO SOCIAL MEDIA, THE SIMPLE POINT BEING DON'T BREAK THE LAW, WHAT LAWS ARE THERE TO BREAK? GENERALLY, THEY ARE PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BIG ONE YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH AND WORRY ABOUT THE OTHERS ARE DISCLOSING CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION OR PROLINE PRIVACY RECORDS.

UM, THERE'S A FOURTH CATEGORY, UM, OF, OF HOW ONE GOES ABOUT EDITING YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS, WHICH REALLY TIES BACK INTO THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW.

SO THIS IS ALL DONE IN AN EFFORT TO HELP GIVE YOU A GENERAL SENSE OF WHAT THE RULES ARE THAT REGULATE SOCIAL MEDIA.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THOSE OF US THAT REPRESENT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR A LIVING HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH FOR A GREAT MANY YEARS.

THE BODY OF LAW IS INVOLVING.

UM, THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF CITIES THAT HAVE TRIED TO PUT FORTH THE GUIDELINES.

NEWBURN WILL BE AMONG THREE, FOUR OR FIVE CITIES IN THE STATE.

THAT'S TRIED TO OFFER SOME HELPFUL GUIDELINES TO PUBLIC OFFICIALS.

UM, LOTS OF REASONS FOR WHY SO DIFFICULT, THE LAW IT'S QUICKLY CHANGING.

AND EVEN WITHIN THE LAW, THERE ARE SO MANY SUBTLETIES AND SHADES OF THESE ISSUES THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO GIVE YOU MEANINGFUL DO'S AND DON'TS THE SILLY VERSION IS DON'T BREAK THE LAW.

HOW DO I NOT DO THAT? THAT'S COMPLICATED.

SO, BUT THIS IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.

I I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN IN THE MAJORITY OF MY COLLEAGUES FOR A GREAT MANY YEARS IN, IN, IN NOT DOING THIS.

BUT, UM, I'VE

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AND WHEN IN DOUBT, REACH OUT TO US TO BE HELPFUL TO YOU.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ THESE GUIDELINES TO YOU.

I WILL JUST TELL YOU BROADLY, UM, IN TERMS OF THOSE CATEGORIES OF THANKS TO WORK ABOUT, TO WORRY ABOUT THE, THERE ARE OFFICIAL CITY, SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES, RIGHT? THE CITY OF NEWBURGH THERE'S OFFICIAL PAGES THAT I'M CALLING OFFICIAL ARE THOSE ENDORSED BY THE CITY MANAGED AND ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY, RIGHT? THE CITY CAN REGULATE THOSE.

AND YOU AS A BOARD CAN DICTATE HOW THOSE WORK.

I'M MUCH LESS WORRIED ABOUT THOSE WEBSITES BECAUSE WE HAVE PAID PROFESSIONALS THAT ARCHIVE MONITOR, KNOW THE RULES ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DELETED, WHAT CAN'T BE DELETED.

IF YOU DELETED, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ARCHIVE.

ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

WE'VE GOT PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH.

THE TRICKIER ISSUES ARE YOUR PERSONAL SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. AND THOSE CAN COME IN TWO FLAVORS.

THOSE THAT YOU DO AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AS A CITIZEN, AS A PARENT, A GRANDPARENT, HERE'S MY GRANDCHILD, HERE'S MY PETS.

THOSE ARE YOUR PERSONAL PAGES.

AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE A PAGE THAT YOU CALL YOUR OFFICIAL PAGE.

THIS IS MY OFFICIAL ALDER PERSON PAGE.

THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT FOR BOTH OF THOSE SETS OF PLATFORMS, BUT YOU CAN GET INTO TROUBLE BY CO-MINGLING CONTENT ON BOTH OF THOSE PAGES.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S A THESE WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS LIKE YOUR, YOUR PERSONAL EMAILS.

YOU'VE HEARD MY SPEECH BEFORE THAT WE ARCHIVE AND KEEP ALL OF YOUR EMAILS WITH THE CITY OF NEWBURGH ORG TAGLINE, RIGHT? THOSE ARE YOUR OFFICIAL EMAILS.

EVERY EMAIL YOU SEND OUT ON THOSE, ON THAT SERVER USING THAT EMAIL IS A PUBLIC RECORD THAT IT CAPTURES AND MAINTAINS FOREVER.

WHAT WE DON'T CAPTURE, MAINTAIN THEM, HAVE THE ABILITY TO, OR YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS.

IF YOU HAVE A GMAIL ACCOUNT, THAT IS YOUR PERSONAL ACCOUNT.

HOWEVER, IF YOU SEND OUT PUBLIC INFORMATION, CITY INFORMATION ON THOSE PERSONAL EMAILS, YOU'VE JUST NOW MADE THAT PERSONAL EMAIL, THAT ONE EMAIL, A PUBLIC RECORD THAT YOU INDIVIDUALLY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO KEEP IT MAINTAINED FOREVER.

SOCIAL MEDIA WORKS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS THOSE EMAILS, RIGHT? JUST BECAUSE YOU USE YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL, DOES IT MEAN YOUR PUBLIC CITY BUSINESS CONTENT IN THAT EMAIL IS NOW PRIVATE? THE QUESTION IS ALWAYS WHAT'S THE CONTENT NOT WHERE DID IT COME FROM? OKAY.

SOCIAL MEDIA WORKS THE SAME WAY.

SO ON YOUR PRIVATE PAGE, IF WE'VE GOT GRANDKIDS AND CHILDREN AND LOVED ONES AND VACATIONS, AND THEN A CITY NEWS BULLETIN THAT CITY NEWS BULLETIN ENTRY ON YOUR PERSONAL PAGE IS NOW SITTING BUSINESS CONTENT.

AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, OTHER RULES START TO APPLY TO THAT PRIVATE PAGE.

THESE GUIDELINES ARE THERE TO HELP YOU WITH THOSE SITUATIONS.

THEY ALSO APPLY TO YOUR QUOTE OFFICIAL PAGES.

IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICIAL PAGE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WHERE YOU JUST TRY TO CONDUCT CITY BUSINESS, WHICH IS WHAT I STRONGLY RECOMMEND TO YOU.

IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS CITY BUSINESS IN A SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM, CREATE AN OFFICIAL PAGE, JUST LIKE WE HAVE YOUR OFFICIAL EMAIL, CREATE YOUR OFFICIAL PAGE, WHERE THAT CONTENT IS MAINTAINED.

THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS THERE.

YOU CAN MANAGE IT EASY.

YOU DON'T WANT TO CO-MINGLE CITY CONTENT ONTO YOUR PERSONAL PAGE.

IT WILL MAKE LIFE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR YOU.

SO THAT'S THE BROAD SPEECH.

I'VE GOT YOU SOME DRAFT GUIDELINES THERE TO READ AND THINK ABOUT TONIGHT IS NOT FOR ADOPTING ANYTHING.

WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT TO DO IS HAVE A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THESE GUIDELINES LARGELY.

SO WE HAVE A RECORD THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF WHAT THESE RULES ARE AND TO ASK QUESTIONS.

IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT, THESE GUIDELINES DON'T REGULATE THE CONTENT OF WHAT YOU SAY.

THAT SAID THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT CAN APPLY TO THOSE FIRST AMENDMENT WORDS THAT YOU SPEAK.

REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU LOSE YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT, RIGHT? TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY, PEOPLE MAY LIKE IT.

THEY MAY NOT LIKE IT.

IT MIGHT BE TRUE.

IT MIGHT BE FALSE.

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY WHATEVER WORDS YOU WANT TO SAY, REGARDLESS OF YOUR CAPACITY AS AN INDIVIDUAL OR A PUBLIC OFFICIAL,

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AND THOSE HAVE TO DO WITH THE EMPLOYEE PRIVACY RECORDS, UM, TRADE SECRETS.

THERE ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME OBVIOUS EXCEPTIONS TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT APPLIED TO EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF YOUR CAPACITY AS A CITIZEN OR ELECTED OFFICIAL.

UM, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, YOU'VE GOT YOUR DRAFT.

UM, I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU THERE'S A FEW, A FEW LITTLE TWEAKS THAT I WANT TO MAKE YOU, EVEN TO THIS DRAFT.

I'M HAPPY TO HEAR FROM EACH OF YOU REACH OUT TO ME.

IT'S EASY TO, IT CAN BE EASY FOR US TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION AND GO THROUGH YOUR EXAMPLES ONE-ON-ONE OR IN SMALL GROUPS THAN IN THIS KIND OF SETTING.

BUT I WANT YOU TO HAVE THE FIRST DRAFT, JUST SO YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO GET SO THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HELP YOU NAVIGATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SO THAT WE DON'T GET THE GENUINE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S EASY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THE OFFICIAL WEBSITES.

STAFF HAS ME AT THEIR DISPOSAL ALL THE TIME.

I'M NOT WITH YOU IN YOUR HOMES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING SOCIAL MEDIA THINGS AND COMMENTING, AND THERE'S NO WAY TO GIVE YOU ANY DIRECTION OR COUNSEL.

UM, SO YOU ARE LARGELY ON YOUR OWN IN THAT SPHERE.

SO THAT'S WHY I'VE TIPPED INTO THE CAMP OF GIVING YOU SOMETHING MORE THAN NOTHING.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DID TO PULL THESE GUIDELINES TOGETHER.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NOT BEING IN OFFICE OR EVEN IN THE FIRST TIME, IT WAS REALLY HARD TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THOSE TWO WATERS AND BEING PERSONAL AND HAVING YOUR PERSONAL ACCOUNT AND YOUR PROFESSIONAL ACCOUNT.

SO I APPRECIATE IT.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THESE GUIDELINES SET IN STONE SO THAT WE ALL KIND OF HAVE SOMEWHERE TO START FROM.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK IN THE STAFF'S WORKING.

YES MA'AM.

SO WE WILL BE RE REACHED OUT TO ME OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA TO GET THESE FINALIZED.

THAT'S RIGHT.

DATE.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

UM, I HAVE LOOKED OVER HIS, BUT NOT REALLY IN DETAIL, BUT CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR ME? SAY, FOR INSTANCE, UM, I'M AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND SOMEONE INVITES ME TO COME ON TO THEIR SHOW AND TALK ABOUT A PARTICULAR SUBJECT THAT MAY RELATE TO THE CITY, UM, IS, UH, AND KNOW I HAVE MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, BUT HOW, HOW WILL I NOT BE IN VIOLATION OF ANSWERING CERTAIN QUESTIONS IF A CITY RELATED BUSINESS, OR IS THIS PERSONAL BUSINESS OR ABOUT THEIR SHOW, HOW MAY BE NOT IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS? GOOD QUESTION.

THE EASY, THE EASY RESPONSE TO THAT IS YOU ARE ALWAYS FREE TO BE INTERVIEWED WHEREVER YOU WOULD LIKE AND WHATEVER FORMAT YOU WOULD LIKE.

THAT'S EASY.

NO WORRIES.

THERE.

THE TWIST COMES IN WHEN YOU ARE PROVIDING THE PLATFORM FOR THAT CONTENT, IF IT IS YOUR PERSONAL OFFICIAL PAGE, THEN ALL THE RULES START APPLYING TO YOU.

IF YOU'RE A GUEST ON ANY OTHER PLATFORM, IT'S THE PLATFORM'S RESPONSIBILITY TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW.

SO YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU HAVE A PLATFORM THAT YOU USE, THAT THAT PLATFORM JUST NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE LIKE, KEEP THE RECORD OF WHAT THEY HAVE UNTIL IS IT SEVEN YEARS OR IS IT FOR, UNTIL YOU GET THAT DEPENDS.

THAT'S A GOOD, YOU KEEP IT.

AND THEN YOU FORWARD IT TO BRENDA AND PUT IT, IS THERE A WAY TO DO IT THAT WAY? WHERE'S YOUR BASE CONTENT.

YOU SEND IT AND THEN THE CITY OFFICIALLY HAS IT.

THAT'S UM, NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT MY ADVICE TO YOU ON, ON YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS IS TO COPY YOURSELF WITH YOUR OFFICIAL EMAIL.

OUR OFFICIAL CITY EMAIL ACCOUNT, DO WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT IN OUR PERSONAL DESKTOP OR OUR PERSONAL EMAIL BOX? OR IS THAT ARCHIVE THROUGH, UH, 90% OF THAT'S ARCHIVE AUTOMATICALLY DO IT? YES.

SO IF, IF A CITIZEN HAPPENS TO HAVE YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS AND SENDS YOU A CITY QUESTION, YOU WANT TO RESPOND PROMPTLY, JUST COPYING YOURSELF BLIND COPY OR COPY YOURSELF, BECAUSE IT WILL PICK THAT UP AS IT GOES THROUGH THE CITY'S SYSTEM.

UM, YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING WITH, WITH ABOUT ANY, ANY SOCIAL CONTENT YOU WANT.

YOU'RE ALWAYS SAFE TO TRY TO LOOP IN THE CITY WITH TAGS OR ANYTHING SO THAT THE CITY CAN HELP ARCHIVE THAT EVER MENTIONED.

WELL, I WOULDN'T WANT TO GET IN THE BUSINESS OF HAVING PEOPLE TAG THE CITY CAUSE THAT'S EXTRA WORK ON PERSONAL PLATFORMS. I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE DONE PUT OUT ON YOUR ALDERMAN PAGE, OR IT TRICKLED OVER TO YOUR PERSONAL, WE SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO CAPTURE IT AND THEN SEND IT.

SO THE CITY HAS IT.

SO THERE'S NO EXTRA WORK INVOLVED ON THE CITY'S PART.

THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE.

YES MA'AM YES, SIR.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, ONE, WHEN WE RECEIVE AN EMAIL ON

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THAT'S WHY I SAY, IF YOU COPY YOURSELF AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE THIS HABIT OF JUST ADDING YOUR CITY OF NEW BERN EMAIL TO ALL OF YOUR RESPONSES, IF THEY'RE ON A PERSONAL ACCOUNT, IT WILL ALWAYS GO THROUGH OUR SYSTEM AND WILL HAPPEN REGARDLESS OF, UH, I MEAN, WE GET ADVERTISEMENTS AND JUNK MAIL ALL THE TIME AND I'VE GOT A FOLDER.

I JUST PUT IT IN.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP THAT IT PROBABLY FROM IT RESOURCES, WE PROBABLY NEED TO PURGE THAT ON OUR INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS FOR YES, SIR.

AND IT MAY SCRUB THAT FOR YOU.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN DELETE ADVERTISER.

THAT IS THE SECOND THING IS I KNOW IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPLY HERE, BUT MORE ABOUT THE OFFICIAL CITY PAGES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, UM, IN THE FUTURE, ONCE THIS THING MOVES FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE SOME DISCUSSION AS A BOARD ABOUT OUR POLICY AND WHAT WE WANT TO SEE WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE OUR OFFICIAL CITY PAGE THAT COLLEEN MANAGES.

THEN WE HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT PAGE, A POLICE DEPARTMENT, PAGE, A PARKS AND RECREATION PAGE THAT UTILITIES PAGE.

AND IT CREATES A LOT OF, UM, DISJOINTEDNESS, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT OUR OFFICIAL CITY PAGE TO ME SHOULD BE WHERE OFFICIAL INFORMATION IS DISTRIBUTED TO THE PUBLIC.

AND IF SOMEBODY HAPPENS TO FOLLOW THAT PAGE, BUT THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE ELECTRIC PAGE AND THERE'S AN OUTAGE AND THEY DON'T SEE THAT IT SHOULD FLOW THROUGH THE CITY PAGE.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

AMEN.

UM, WE WILL BE COMING TO YOU, UM, IN A MATTER OF WEEKS OR A MONTH, UM, LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION, WE STAFF REALLY NEEDS SOME DIRECTION ON THESE ISSUES.

UM, AND IT, AND IT'S ALL, ALL THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IN THE SPIRIT OF PROVIDING HELPFUL AND USEFUL INFORMATION TO THE CITIZENRY, RIGHT? WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT.

WE JUST NEED TO DO IT IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION BECAUSE ALL OF THESE, ALL THESE, UM, VARIOUS PLATFORMS AND PAGES ARE SIMPLY OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE MISTAKES AND THE MISTAKES CAN BE BEST CASE, HUGELY DISTRACTING, THE BEST CASE, UM, WHO MAINTAINS ALL OF THE, OTHER OF THE OTHER PAGES LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE TROUBLESOME ADMINISTRATION ISSUES.

IT'S AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL CURRENTLY, AND YOU HAVE SOME TURNOVER AND EVERYONE'S TRYING THEIR BEST, BUT IT WOULD, IN MY VIEW, I THINK, I THINK THE ANSWER WILL ULTIMATELY BE, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO HAVE THAT CENTRALIZED MAINTAIN PROBABLY THROUGH ONE PAGE RATHER THAN A DEVS.

AND WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU WITH SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF, WE CALL THEM MACRO ISSUES.

WHAT PLATFORMS DO WE WANT TO BE ON? THERE ARE NOW A DOZEN AT LEAST, UM, WHICH DO WE WANT TO BE ON? AND IN WHAT FORMAT DO WE WANT TO BE ON THOSE PLATFORMS? HOW MUCH CONTENT, UM, HOW MUCH, UM, UM, WHAT LIKE COMMUNICATION, TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION, ALL THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT WE REALLY NEED TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY IT'S TURNED INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE LOTS MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FAILURE THAN FOR SUCCESS, EVEN THOUGH OUR HEARTS ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.

RIGHT.

I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WHAT ABOUT FACEBOOK? AND, UM, I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND UTILITIES, AND EVERYBODY USES A LOT OF PRESS RELEASES, RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY ISSUES DOING THAT? YES, SIR.

AND THAT'S KIND OF PART OF WHAT WE CALL THIS, THIS MACRO ISSUE.

IT IS THAT THE BEST WAY TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT IN AN ORGANIZED, CONSISTENT FASHION IN A WAY THAT WE DON'T MAKE MISTAKES OR MISCOMMUNICATE OR HAVING DIFFERENT VETTING PROCESS.

SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND AND FIND THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY THAT WE CAN BE RESPONSIVE TO THE DEPARTMENTS AND MAKE SURE WE GET THEIR INFORMATION OUT, BUT DO IN A WAY THAT GETS THE MOST EYEBALLS, WHICH IS THE PURPOSE AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S PROPERLY, ILLEGALLY MANAGED SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A STAKE IN THE PROCESS.

WELL, HOPEFULLY YOU BRING IT TOGETHER.

AND FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, THERE'S ONE PERSON BECAUSE I LOVE SEEING THE STUFF THAT POLICE SAY IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I LOVE THE INDIVIDUALITY, BUT I UNDERSTAND BRINGING IT UNDER ONE.

SO I HOPE THAT EVEN IF WE DO BRING IT TOGETHER, WE STILL DO GET THAT CONSISTENT SEA OF THINGS GOING OUT THERE, PARKS AND RECS AND STUFF, BECAUSE PEOPLE DO GO TO SOCIAL MEDIA TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE MAIN WEBSITE, THEY GO TO THE INDIVIDUAL ONE.

SO GOOD LUCK ON WORKING THAT OUT.

AND I HERE YOU'LL SEE US AGAIN.

THIS TIME, GO TO THE NEXT ITEM.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.

[10. Conduct a Public Hearing on the Rezoning of 356 Rocky Run Road]

AND YOUR NEXT ITEM IS TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RESIGNING AT 3 56 ROCKY RUN ROAD

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AND CONSIDER ADOPTING A STATEMENT OF ZONING, CONSISTENCY, OR INCONSISTENCY AND CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE.

THERESA MICHAEL RAINS HAS REQUESTED TO READ THAT IN TWO PARCELS, THAT TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 77.72 ACRES, THE PARTIALS ARE IN THE ETJ AREA LOCATED AT 3 56 BROCKIE BRYAN ROAD, AND ARE FURTHER IDENTIFIED AS TAX PARTIAL IDS EIGHT DASH 2 1 0 DASH 0 3 1 AND EIGHT DASH 2 1 0 DASH 0 2 9.

CURRENT ZONING IS OUR 20 RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING IS A F 85 F AGRICULTURAL FORESTRY DISTRICT IS SOLVED.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE REQUEST AT A SEPTEMBER 7TH MEETING.

AFTER CONDUCTING A PUBLIC HEARING, THE BOARD IS ASKED TO ADOPT A STATEMENT OF THE ZONING CONSISTENCY OR INCONSISTENCY FOLLOWED BY CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO REASON THE PROPERTY, IF IT IS DEEMED CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S LAND USE PLANS AND NEARBY LAND USE AND FOSTER GOOD.

MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE CITY MANAGER DID A FINE JOB OF, UH, RUNNING DOWN BASIC STATS FOR THE PROJECT.

SO REZONING REQUESTS, EVERY SEVEN ACRES OF LAND, A FROM OUR 2285 APP, OOPS, THERE'S YOUR SITE LOCATED ON ROCKY RUN ROAD? THERE IS STANDING BACK EXISTING ZONINGS ARE 20 IT'S OUR RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE LOW DENSITY, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THOSE LOTS OF 20,000 SQUARE FEET, A REQUEST FOR A FIVE F IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL FORESTRY DISTRICT DESIGNED TO PROMOTE FAR THROUGH OPERATIONS AND LOW DENSITY.

RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, UH, LANDFILLS COREY'S LIVESTOCK AND SIMILARLY USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON AN EIGHT FIVE.

OUR OTHER AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICTS ARE SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED IN THIS DISTRICT.

SO IT RESTRICTS IT REALLY A MORE FORESTRY, LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT.

AS A GENERAL SURVEY OF THE AF USES SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED MOBILE DUPLEXES, MOBILE HOMES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THIS DISTRICT FOR STABLES, A FULLY ENCLOSED, A VETERINARIAN CLINICS AG USES EXCLUDING LIVESTOCK, FORESTRY, OPERATIONS, OPEN-AIR MARKETS AND COMMERCIAL ON GREENHOUSE OPERATIONS.

ADJACENT ZONING IS A RESIDENTIAL AND MAKES BETWEEN OUR TENT AND OUR 20 THOUGH, YOU WILL FIND THAT THERE IS OTHER AG, UH, TO THE, TO THE WEST, UM, AND ALSO COMMERCIAL.

SO IT'S TYPICAL HODGEPODGE OUT IN THAT AREA OF TOWN.

UH, THE CAMERA REGIONAL LAND USE PLAN CALLS US AN URBAN TRANSITIONARY, WHICH DOES PROVIDE FOR FUTURE INTENTION, URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

HOWEVER, THE SITE IS ALSO DESIGNATED AS A, AS A LOW TO MEDIUM DEVELOPMENT SUITABILITY RATING.

THAT'S DUE TO A POOR SOIL CONDITIONS ON JORDY OF THE SITE.

THE PROPERTY IS ALSO LOCATED OUTSIDE OF NOT ANY FLOOD POINT SYDNEY, YOU SIT, YOUR NEWBORN DOES NOT SERVE THIS SITE WITH ANY UTILITIES.

THE REQUEST WAS HEARD ON SEPTEMBER THE SEVENTH BY ZONING BOARD, AND IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WILL TAKE THEM, BUT WE'RE HAVING QUESTIONS.

UH, WE HAVEN'T THE QUESTIONS ON THE VAN, OPEN PUBLIC, HEARING ANYBODY LIKE I'M FORWARD, ASK QUESTIONS, MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR STATEMENTS CONCERNING THIS YOU CAN DO AT THIS TIME.

BE RAISED? WOULD THERE BE AN INCREASE OF TRAFFIC? AND I'M ALSO, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT POLLUTION AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

COME FORWARD.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS TOM MARSHALL BELLARD.

I'M GOING TO GRAB THE DAMN ROCKET RYAN COME HERE AND DEFEAT.

AND WE WILL LIKE AS A COMMUNITY TO MEET WITH THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY TO FIND HIS DOG, UH, PLANS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TELL FOR ME WIDOW WHEN HE COMMUNITY FOR Q AND EIGHT, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE POSSIBILITY.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS CHERYL FOY AND I LIVED IN THE RIGHT GROWING COMMUNITY FOR ALMOST 65 YEARS.

I RECENTLY BUILT A HOME THERE AND TO WATCH PORN COMMUNITY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE REZONING WILL AFFECT THE COMMUNITY.

OVERALL.

I WILL ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WILL BE DONE ON THE LAND AND FOR HOW LONG WILL OUR TAXES AND WATER BILL BE AFFECTED.

WILL THOSE THINGS

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WHAT TYPE OF CHEMICALS WILL BE USED ON THE LAND? HOW WILL IT AFFECT OUR CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE? I GREW UP IN BLACK HAWAIIAN COMMUNITY AND MY UNCLES AND PEOPLE END UP ROCKING, ROCKING LIKE COMMUNITY, USE IT AS FARM LAND, WHERE THEY GREW TOBACCO.

AND A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE TOBACCO WAS RAISED DEVELOP CANCER.

I'M JUST INTERESTED AND WANTING TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW LONG THE REZONING WILL BE AN EFFECT AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY I LIVE IN, IT'S A SAFE COMMUNITY AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

AND JUST LIKE I SAID, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND, AND THE CLIMATE CHANGE.

SO I HOPE YOU, THE MEMBERS, BOARD MEMBERS WILL TAKE IN CONSIDERATION MY COMMUNITY, WHERE I WAS RAISED AND WHAT WE PLAN TO DO WITH IT AND HOW IT WILL AFFECT OUR CHILDREN INDIVIDUALLY.

MIKE RAINS ON THE LAND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE.

BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY, I'VE GOT A TIMBER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT I'VE PROVIDED TO THE, UM, TO THE CITY.

AND MY PLAN IS TO FOLLOW THAT, THAT TIMBER USE PLAN AND MANAGE THE PROPERTY FOR TIMBER USES AS POINTED OUT, THE SOULS ARE NOT GOOD FOR, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I'VE NO INTENTION OF DEVELOPING THE LAND BUILDING HOUSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THE ZONING TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH TIMBER PRODUCTION AND USE.

UH, THERE'LL BE NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.

IF ANYTHING, IT'LL IMPROVE THE LAND DNR MANAGED FOR PONDS PROPERLY, UM, TROPIC WILL BE PROBABLY LESS TRAFFIC EXCEPT FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERY, UH, 15 YEARS OLD THEY'LL VISIT ANOTHER 10 YEARS.

THE TIMBER WILL BEAT THEN, AND THEN 37 YEARS OR SO TO BE CLEAR CUT, BUT THAT'S JUST NORMAL TIMBER MANAGEMENT PLANS.

AND THAT'S MY PLAN.

MY INTENT IS NOT TO HAVE ANY NEGATIVE WHATSOEVER.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE SELECT COME UP UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, STATEMENTS ABOUT THIS ITEM? MAY I LET THEM MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION AND SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.

SCOTT.

OWNER COULD GO FILL THAT PROPERTY WITH HOUSES AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.

UM, WITH THE REQUEST OF THE CITIZENS THAT WAS ASKED HIM TO SPEAK WITH HIM, UH, ABOUT THE USE OF THE LAND, AND THEN HE'D GIVEN US A SUMMARY OF A BREAKDOWN, WHAT HE'S GOING TO, WHERE THESE PLANS ARE.

UM, COULD YOU GIVE ME A SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU MIGHT HEARD, UH, UNDERSTAND TO HELP THIS SITUATION GO SMOOTHLY FOR EVERYONE? UM, I'LL START WITH THE LAW AND THEN I'LL START WITH THEN AUTHENTICALLY WITH AN OPINION.

THE LAW IS IN REZONING THAT THE BOARD HAS TO CONSIDER ALL POTENTIAL USES IN THE ZONE, RIGHT? WE DON'T FOCUS ON WHAT THE APPLICANT PROMISES TO DO, WANTS TO DO, EXPECTS TO DO YOU CONSIDER ALL THE POSSIBLE USES OF THE NEWS AND MAKING YOUR WHAT'S CALLED A LEGISLATIVE DECISION.

RIGHT NOW IT IS ZONED R 20.

THAT IS RESIDENTIAL LOTS NO LESS THAN 20,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE, THE PROPERTY

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MEANING NO ONE CAN STOP HIM.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

HE'S ASKING TO CONVERT THAT TO AGRICULTURAL, WHICH IS THE LOWEST BURDEN ON THE PROPERTY IN TERMS OF OUR ZONING, RIGHT? INDUSTRIALS, OUR HEAVIEST USE DIRTY AS TY AS TRAFFIC USE.

AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH COMMERCIAL TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL, TO HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL, AND IT ENDS WITH A FOREST AGRICULTURAL FARMLAND.

SO THAT'S WHAT HE'S PROPOSING TO TAKE IT FROM A LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FARM THAT DOES HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL USES IN OTHER POSSIBILITIES, BUT HE'S PUSHING HIS WAY DOWN THE SPECTRUM OF BURDENS ON THE LAND, WHICH GENERALLY PEOPLE PERCEIVE TO BE A GOOD THING.

IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? TYPICALLY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO TAKE AGRICULTURAL ZONED LAND AND GET THE DENSITY UP SO THAT THEY CAN DEVELOP IT, MAKE MORE MONEY FROM THERE.

SO THAT'S THE LAW YOU TO CONSIDER ALL THE POSSIBILITIES WITH THIS ZONE, NOTHING AGAINST MR. RAINS AT ALL.

UM, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HE'S TELLING YOU EXACTLY WHAT HE PLANS TO DO.

I HAVE NO DOUBT HE'S GOING TO DO THAT, BUT THE LAW IS YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL POSSIBILITIES BECAUSE THINGS DO CHANGE AS A PRACTICAL MATTER.

UM, HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, UM, UH, ONE OF THE BIG TALES IN THIS APPLICATION IS THE SOILS ARE SIMPLY UNSUITABLE FOR MOST, ANY OTHER THING OTHER THAN GROWING PINE TREES.

SO THERE IS A STOP GAP.

IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT IN THAT COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, IF THE POOR SOILS IMPORTANT DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA, WHICH DOES IN FACT LIMIT DEVELOPMENT, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND HOW LONG DOES THIS LAST ZONING LAST TO THE END OF THE WORLD UNTIL IT'S CHANGED? OKAY.

SO ONCE THIS IS DONE, THE PROPERTY WILL, CAN COME BACK YEARS LATER, ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS, 10 YEARS ASK FOR A CHANGE, OR IT MAY NEVER CHANGE FROM ITS CURRENT ZONING, RIGHT? THERE'S NO TIME ON IT THAT HELPED ME.

SCOTT, I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED ONE OF THEM, MAYBE.

UM, HOW SOON CAN THE PROPERTY OWNER COME BACK AND ASK FOR IT TO BE ZONED TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? THAT IS A FINE QUESTION.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

UM IF IT'S REJECTED, IT'S A YEAR, THEY HAVE TO WAIT.

RIGHT.

IT IS THE FACTS HAVE TO CHANGE, UM, THAT IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE IT BACK, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

UM, IT'S NOT LONG.

I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULD BE SIX TO 12 MONTHS IF IT'S ANYTHING.

AND THEN, UH, MY SECOND QUESTION IS PROBABLY FOR YOU, JEFF.

I KNOW THIS IS AN ATJ, UM, ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBJECTS, WHICH I'M REALLY WISH WE WOULD GET RID OF, UM, WHAT, WHO CHOSE THE INITIAL ZONING TO SAY IT WAS OUR 10 OR 20 AS IT IS NOW, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LEGISLATIVE DECISION BY THE BOARD.

UM, WHEN IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ETJ, DO WE KNOW WHAT TIMEFRAME THAT SCOTT AND THEY DO THAT HAPPENED? IT WAS IN THE EARLY NINETIES, EARLY NINETIES.

ALL RIGHT.

YES, MA'AM UM, MR. BALLARD AND MS. FORD, DOES THAT SOMEWHAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, UM, ON THE, THE ZONING ASKING FOR THE REZONING OF IT TO, UM, I RECKON THE BOTTOM LINE IS HE JUST WANTS TO CUT TIMBER, RIGHT? PRETTY MUCH.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.

HE WANTS TO TIMBER AND YOU'LL PROBABLY TIMBER IT AND PLANT IT BACK.

RIGHT, MARTIN, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME.

FEET, YOU CAN'T MANAGE THE TIMBER PANTRIES.

AND NO, AND THE CURRENT ZONING REQUIRES, UH, ONE OF THESE PARCELS IS ONLY 178 FEET WIDE.

AND THE WAY I READ, UH, UH, COURT ROOMS WITH CUTTING PINE TREES DOWN IS YOU HAVE TO LEAVE A 50 FOOT BUFFER ON EITHER SIDE.

SO WHEN TALKING TO THE FORESTRY CONSULTANTS, THEY WERE ASTONISHED AT THAT WOOD TIMBER PLANS.

WOULDN'T JUST FOLLOW THE CITY ORDINANCES.

IN FACT, THE CITY, WHATEVER ORDINANCE WOULD NARROW STRIPS LIKE THIS SAYING, YOU CAN ONLY CUT 78 FEET OUT THE METAL, WHICH THEY SAID IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE AND MANAGEMENT CONTRACTS.

SO THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR LESS IMPACTFUL ZONING IT SO THAT I CAN PROBABLY MANAGE IT FOR BOND PRODUCTION.

IT'S THE SAME WAY THAT YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE RURAL AREAS ARE IN CITY LIMITS OR WEYERHAEUSER LAND.

THEY THEY'RE MANAGED THE SAME WAY.

UM, I THINK FOR THAT REASON, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UM, IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS TRAP.

ONE OF THE TRACKS IS 78 FEET WIDE.

IF YOU CAN'T CUT TIMBER ON A HUNDRED OF THE 178

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WON'T GROW, NOT STRIP WHEN YOU'VE GOT FALL ONES AROUND.

THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR THE SITE.

I JUST A QUICK COMMENT OF MR. BOYD.

YOU'D ASKED ABOUT THE TAXES, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH DOESN'T TAX THAT PROPERTY.

SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNTY.

WE DO CONTROL THE ZONING, BUT WE DON'T CONTROL THE TAXI OF THAT AREA.

SO HOW IT WOULD IMPACT YOU WOULD BE HARD TO TELL IT IF HE'S TAKING IT DOWN, A BRAID IS NOT BUILDING HOUSES.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD IMPACT THE SURROUNDING HOMES.

UM, BUT THEN AGAIN, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A TAX APPRAISER, SO I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT IS NOT IN THE CITY OF NEWBURN TOBACCO TAX IN JURISDICTION WANTED TO CLARIFY, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE THING? IF YOU CAN SPEAK THE BOARD NEEDS TO EITHER REOPEN THE BOAT HEARING OR MAKE SOME TYPE OF MOTION DRILL WITH POST.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION A SECOND, A SECOND.

DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE MOTION TO ALLOW DISCUSSION AGAIN? I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION.

SAY AYE SIDE, STARTING TO COME FORWARD.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, WILL YOU LET MS. FORD, SHE HAD A QUESTION, LET HER DO THAT.

AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER THAT AND COME UP HERE.

I ALSO NOTICED SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK IN ROCKY WINE, THAT I SEE A LOT OF WOW LIFE.

I SEE D I SEE RABBITS, SOMEONE SAY THEY S UM, HEARD A BIT AND THEY'RE COMING OUT BECAUSE WE'RE TEARING DOWN THEIR HABITAT.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN.

SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE WILDLIFE.

I MEAN, WHERE WOULD THEY GO? WHAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST AMAZING WHAT WE DONE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT NOT ON THIS EARTH TO DISRUPT THE WILDLIFE.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN.

MY NAME IS IT AND I HAVE PROPERTY OUT IN ROCKY, AND THE GENTLEMAN CAME UP AND HE STATED THAT THE ONLY THING THAT YOU COULD DO WITH THE PROPERTY IS GROW PINE TREES.

THE PINE TREES ALREADY LIVE.

THERE ARE NO PINE TREES ON THERE.

THERE'S LARGE ENOUGH TO CUT FOR TIMBER.

THEY ARE VERY YOUNG TREES, THIS THERE, AND AS THE LADY STATED EARLIER ABOUT WILDLIFE BEING THE ED BEING DISRUPTED, I SEE NO PLACE WHERE THIS WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY BY CHANGING THE ZONING, BECAUSE THE FACT THAT THE TREES ARE NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEY'RE TOO YOUNG TO BE CUT.

YOU COULD EVEN CUT THEM WITH TOOTHPICKS, BUT THEY'RE JUST THAT SMELL.

SO, UH, HE MISLED YOU BY SAYING, THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU COULD GROW.

YOU ALREADY GREW UP WITH.

THAT'S ALL IT IS OUT THERE IS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS THERE'S PINE TREES.

SO, UH, TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T KNOW THAT HE'S GOING TO DO ALL THIS WITH THE PINE TREES, MR. BELL, MR. BELL, MARSHA, COULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? BASED ON, UM, THE INFORMATION THAT MR. RANGE HAS GIVEN US, AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD NEED TO SPEAK WITH HIM, UM, UH, CATEGORY.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO HEAR THE PUMP.

YOU CAN TURN UP THE VOLUME, SOME OF THEM.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T TURN IT UP.

UM, THE, THE INFORMATION, HE JUST GIVEN US WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY, UM, IS THAT ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S JUST PLAYING ON CUTTING, JUST CUTTING TREES DOWN AND JUST MAYBE COMING BACK 30 YEARS LATER, PLANTING BECAUSE OF THE SOIL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THINKING IS RIGHT NOW.

UH, WHAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK WITH HIM ABOUT? I WOULD LIKE TO START TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, ON BOTH SIDES, WHERE I CAN

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MAKE A DECISION.

WELL, LIKE I WAS ASKING, UM, IF THEY COULD SET UP A MEETING WHERE ALL THE RESIDENTS FROM THE ROCKY RUNNING COMMUNITY COULD BE HERE AND HAVE LIKE A Q AND A, AND THEN I GUESS COULD BRING IT BACK TO THE BORDEAUX.

BUT IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I DON'T KNOW THE RULES ON THAT ONE.

THERE.

I HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT THERE, UH, W WELL, YOU CAN DEFER YOUR DECISION IF YOU LIKE.

UM, THIS IS AN ETJ, SO THERE ISN'T AN ALDERMAN RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AREA.

UM, BUT YOU CAN EITHER APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE, DENIED THE ZONING CHANGE, OR DELAY YOUR DECISION.

THOSE ARE YOUR REAL OPTIONS.

WOULD IT BE A TABLE, TABLE, TABLE, TABLE, THE ITEM TO NEXT MEETING OR SOME DATE? CERTAIN HE'S ALREADY STATED WHY HE WANTED TO DO ONCE SEPTEMBER, BUT HE ALSO JUST ASKED KEN, THE RESIDENTS SPEAK WITH HIM BEFORE WHAT HE JUST TOLD US TONIGHT.

SO HE WANTED MORE PEOPLE TO COME OUT TO PARTICIPATE IN.

WHAT'S IN THE WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC.

KAREN.

SO DO WE NEED TO SEE, OH, HERE WE ARE IN MOTION.

SAY THAT WAS APPROVED THAT YOU'RE ALLOWING THEM TO VOTE.

SO, YEAH.

SO IN THE DISCUSSION, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, IS THERE ANY LAWS IN REGARDS TO HOW SOON WE CAN CUT A PINE TREE DOWN? NO, MA'AM OKAY.

GOOD.

CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN WAS SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO, TO, YOU KNOW, CUT DOWN OR TIMBER DOWN.

SO I WAS JUST CHECKING ON THAT.

THAT'S FAIR.

I'LL REMEMBER, YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

HEY, GO AHEAD.

SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING REPEAT ANYTHING.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY BEFORE I GO, HEY MAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.

I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU IF YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY NEXT DID YOU HAVE MORE TO SAY, OH, NO.

BASICALLY MY VIEW IS THAT THE REASON I PUT THAT UP A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UM, YOU GOT MADE AT NIGHT, YOU GUYS GUIDE THE PERSON OF WHAT PROPERTY OR WHAT DID LAPTOP HAD PROPERLY ROCKET RUN.

THEY MET WITH THE REST OF THIS AT THE CHURCH.

AND IF PEOPLE HAD CARRIED COMPANY, THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, HAD QUESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU COULD DO THE SAME.

THAT WAS IN THE PAST EIGHT, NINE YEARS.

LET'S DO THIS, UM, THAT, THAT REFERENCE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UM, IT WAS OUR 20 AND I, I BELIEVE MR. DUNHAM, SOME PROPERTY, HE WANTED TO REZONE IT HAR 10.

HE WANTED A HIGHER DENSITY, UM, TYPE OF HOME DEVELOPMENT AND THE BOARD, UM, DID NOT ALLOW THAT AND RETAIN OUR 20, UH, AT THAT TIME.

UH, I THINK MR. RE-DIARY COULD YOU COME UP PROCEDURALLY TELL US FROM THE BLUE SIGNS GOING UP AND THEN NOTICING EXACTLY, UH, WHEN MR. RAINS, FIRST WOMAN, OR TO REZONE SOMETHING UP TO IN PRIOR TO THE ZONING BOARD APPROVAL FOR SEASONALLY, COULD YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE PROCESS AND THAT THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN THERE EVEN HERE IN THE ZONING PERIOD WHEN THIS NOTICE COULD HAVE, UM, ALLOWED THAT DISCUSSION, ET CETERA.

APPROVED, UM, GO FORWARD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES FOR OTHER ENDS, HIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO W W WITH ANY REZONING, UM, IN THE CITY OR THE TJ NOW THERE WAS PUBLIC NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.

SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPOSED REZONING, AND ALSO POST A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY, VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, SO WE DO THAT USUALLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING, AND THAT HAPPENS WITH EVERY REZONING AND, UH, FINAL PLATS AND GENERAL PLANS ALSO.

SO A LOT OF OUR LAND USE DECISIONS THAT WE, THAT WE SEE THAT GET BEFORE THE BOARD HAVE BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED, UM, BY OUR ORDINANCE.

AND ALSO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE STATUTE REQUIREMENTS ALSO FOR PUBLIC NOTICE.

DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAK AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING PORT? NO, NO PUBLIC, NO COMMENTS WERE MADE.

NO.

MA'AM WELL, JEFF, LET ME ASK YOU WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY ZONE RESIDENTIAL.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

I MEAN, CAN HE GO IN THERE AND CUT TREES AS IF HE'S GOING TO BUILD HOUSES? YES, SIR.

WOW.

WELL, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT VEGETATED.

WHY DOES HE NEED 'CAUSE HE'S NOT BUILDING HOUSES.

HE WANTS TO CUT HIS TREE, BUT I MEAN, HE COULD, HE COULD TECHNICALLY GO IN THERE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND CUT THE TREES.

UH, HE, HE CAN CUT TREES IN RELATION TO A DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IF HE HAS A SUBDIVISION

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HOWEVER, WHAT MR RANGEL WAS REFERRING TO IS THERE IS A SECTION OF OUR CODE THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS TIMBERING ON RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE BUFFERING COMES IN.

SO IF YOU WANT TO GO IN AND TIMBER PROPERTY, THAT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

THERE IS A OTHER SET OF REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, LANDOWNERS HAS TO FOLLOW.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE BUFFERING IN THAT.

UM, SO IN ORDER TO GET AWAY FROM THAT BUFFERING, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, WHICH RENDERS ONE OF THOSE PARCELS OF USELESS FOR, UH, TIMBERING YOU GO TO THIS, HE'S REQUESTING HIS FIVE ZONING, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW HIM TO TIMBER TO THE PROPERTY LINE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

OH, QUESTION.

YEAH, I WAS WONDERING, MICHAEL, YOU SAID YOU HAD A TIMBER MANAGEMENT COMPANY COME IN.

COULD YOU JUST SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC AND THE RESIDENTS, WHAT THEIR PLAN IS? OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BRING ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN THERE TO LOG IF THERE'S NOTHING THERE WORTHWHILE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE'S 77 TOTAL ACRES THERE.

AND SOME OF IT, UM, FROM THE, FROM THE TIMBER CREWS, I GOT, SOME OF IT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 35, 30 YEARS OLD.

AND SOME OF IT, MAYBE WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO ON THE FRONT OF ONE OF THE PARCELS, THE FRAUD 10 ACRES, OR SO IT WAS CLEAR CUT ABOUT 12, 15 YEARS AGO.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S BEEN SOME THAT, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY, ANY POWER LINES CUTS.

AND THEN THERE ARE SOME, SOME YOUNGER IN THE FRONT OF THAT, BUT, UM, PART OF THE WILDLIFE, I'M MY PART OF THE TIMBER MANAGEMENT PLAN INCLUDES, UH, MANAGEMENT FOR WILDLIFE.

AND SO, UM, I'M FOLLOWING ALL THAT.

MY INTENT IS TO HAVE IT IN A, UM, IN A LAND USES IT'S TIMBERLANE USE FOR YOUR COUNTY.

AND THEN THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS THAT REQUIRE ME TO FOLLOW THE WILDLIFE AND TIMBER MANAGEMENT PLANS TO HAVE IT IN THAT TYPE OF A LAND USE.

SO THERE ARE RESTRAINTS AND WHAT I CAN DO IT AS FAR AS THE COUNTY COUNTY IS CONCERNED WITH IN LAND USE FOR TIMBERLAND, BUT ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT FOR WILDLIFE IS ALSO IMPORTANT WHEN IT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

HI, SO MY NAME IS AMANDA HARRIS, AND I JUST HAVE A REALLY, REALLY QUICK QUESTION.

I'M MORE OF A BLACK AND WHITE STRAIGHT SHOOTER.

SO IF WE WERE TO GET IT REZONED AND EXCUSE ME, IF I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE JARGON, BUT IF WE WERE TO GET THAT SPECIFIC AREA REZONED TO WHAT IS IT ARCHIVE? I BELIEVE IT IS 8, 5, 5.

I'M SORRY.

I GOT YA.

CAN HE THEN COME IN? AND AS IT HAS A GENERAL SURVEY ALLOWED, USES BUILD SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME.

IF WE WERE TO REZONE IT TO THAT SPECIFIC ZONE, I JUST VISITED LIKE THE, OR NO.

YES, BUT HE CAN DO IT.

HE CAN GET BACK INTO IT RIGHT NOW AS WELL.

RIGHT.

BUT HE CAN COME IN AND BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

YES, YES.

MA'AM.

IF WE WERE THREE MOMENTS, IF HE CAN DO IT NOW, THEY'RE SAYING DO IT NOW WITHOUT THE REZONE.

SO HE WANTS TO GET IT CHANGED TO AGRICULTURAL.

SO IN, BUT YOU CAN'T, YOU COULD STILL BUILD JEFF.

YOU COULD STILL BUILD IF IT'S ZONED A FIVE F UM, RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

AND YOU'RE STATING ON RECORD IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY THAT, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO GO BY THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS, AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PROTOCOL AND EVERYTHING IN PLACE FOR THE WILDLIFE THAT'S THERE SO THAT THEY DON'T GO WITHOUT A HOME.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO, SO THE REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL IN THE ZONING DISTRICT ARE THE SAME AS THE R 20 DISTRICTS.

SO IF HIS INTENT WAS TO BUILD HOMES, HE WOULDN'T NEED THE, UM, LAND USE CHANGE.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE ONLY REASON FOR THE LAND USE CHANGE IS TO HARVEST THE TIMBER THEORY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A STAGGERED PROCESS, WHICH IS YEARS BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH.

SO I STILL THINK THAT THERE WILL BE TREES THERE FOR THE WILDLIFE, AND I'M ASSUMING, AND I, AND I KNOW FOR ME, JUST WHEN WE HAVE THESE, UM, THESE REZONINGS, I MEAN, IT'S NOT NECESSARY THAT WE, WE, AS THE BOARD ALWAYS RECEIVED THE INFORMATION ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PROTOCOL.

UM, SO I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO BE HAPPENING UNTIL, UH, MR. MICHAEL DECIDED TO LET US KNOW, BUT I FEEL LIKE IF IT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, AND THERE WAS NO, UM, QUESTIONS IN THAT DEPARTMENT AND THEY PASSED IT UNANIMOUSLY.

I THINK THAT I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT HE CAN'T DO NOW WITH BUILDING HOUSES THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO, THAT HE JUST WANTS TO TIM TIMBER, THE LAND AND MANAGE THE PINE.

SO, AND I THINK THAT WITH THAT,

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SO THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

ARE WE IN A PUBLIC HEARING? WE'RE NOT, WE GET THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE, UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE STATEMENT OF ZONING CONSISTENCY FOR THE REZONING OF 3 56 ROCKY RUN ROAD.

YOU HAVE MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION OR CLARIFICATION MANFORD? WE DID THE FLOWS AND PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU DID? YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR IS THAT A REAL CALL STARTING WITH, I WOULD MOVE OBERMAN ITEM.

OTTOMAN DESK OR DOMAIN.

KENZIE.

MAY YOUR OUTLAWS, ALDERMAN ASKED HER OUT A WOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN BAGEL.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE TO REZONE 3 56 ROCKY RUN ROAD FROM OUR 20 RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO AGRICULTURE FOR FORESTRY DISTRICT.

SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SAY ON SEVERAL CALLS STARTING THE THOUGHT WOULD BE, I REMEMBER IN BINGO OUT, A WOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN ASKED HER MAY ARE OUT LONG OUTER MCKINSEY, OUTER MENDEZ.

NUMBER 11, MAYBE THE NEXT ITEM IS FOR OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S GRANT AWARD.

MOTION CARRIES ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS SUCH AS WITH NUMBER 10,

[11 . Update on VW-DC Fast Program Grant and Discussion of Electric Vehicle Charging Rates.]

THE PURCHASE OF INSTALLED TWO ELECTRIC VEHICLE, FAST CHARGING STATIONS.

COLLEEN, DO YOU HAVE THE REMOTE YOU'RE ON PRESENTATION.

I GUESS WE'LL GO WITH THAT.

YOU CAN GIVE US THE CLIFF NOTES IF YOU WANT.

I SAY YOU CAN GIVE US THE NOW.

PUBLIC CHARGING, MAYBE REPLACING THE SHELL STATION AND PUBLIC POINTS OF DELIVERY OF ELECTRICITY FOR THAT MARKET.

UM, WELL, GOOD EVENING.

UM, WELCOME TO THE RAPIDLY EMERGING WORLD OF ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING.

UM, I MENTIONED THIS BACK IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH WHEN WE HAD OUR WORKSHOP IN THAT IT WOULD BE A QUICK, UH, EMERGING CHALLENGE.

AND I JUST THOUGHT I'D TAKE THE SEASONING AND REINTRODUCE YOU TO IT.

TAKE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER DIVE.

PARDON ME.

I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY ACTION TONIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO EDUCATE YOU, UM, AND MAYBE GET BACK SOME GOOD IDEAS FROM YOU FOLKS ON, UH, OR WE SHOULD PROCEED IN THE FUTURE OVERALL, UM, ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING ELECTRICAL VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY IS BEING LARGELY DRIVEN BY MANY FACTORS IN THIS COUNTRY, SUCH AS FEDERAL STATE POLICIES, MANDATES AND SUBSIDIES, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND STEWARDSHIP ARE ALSO IMPACTING THIS, UH, TECHNOLOGY AS WELL.

IT'S WAR AS WELL AS LARGE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS BY THE PRIVATE SECTORS.

UM, AND THERE'S A GROWING INTEREST BY THE CONSUMER MARKET.

AS A RESULT, IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON ELECTRIC UTILITIES AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS BECAUSE IT IS VERY, VERY REAL, AND IT WILL HAVE A VERY REAL IMPACT ON OUR UTILITY AS WELL AS THE GRID ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT UTILITY, UH, IN THE INDUSTRY NEEDS TO BE PROACTIVE, UM, TO AVOID BEING ILL-PREPARED AS IT EMERGES.

UM, LARGE-SCALE ADOPTION, UH, WILL MOST LIKELY CREATE STRESS ON THE BULK ELECTRIC SYSTEM, AS WELL AS ON THE LOCAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

ALSO EVEN LOW AND MODERATE ADOPTION, UM, MAY NEGATIVELY IMPACT INSUFFICIENT BRAKE STRUCTURES THAT WE MAY HAVE TO SUPPORT VEHICLE CHARGING.

SO WHAT DO WE KNOW TODAY? UH, ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING AND CONSUMER INTEREST IS ADVANCING, UM, THERE'S LARGE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS BEING MADE, AS I MENTIONED BY THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY, AS WELL AS THAT OTHER SUPPORTING INDUSTRY WHAT'S DRIVING THAT INVESTMENTS, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THEY REALLY BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OR MAYBE THERE'S SUBSIDIES.

I DON'T KNOW.

UM, BUT IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ROLLING THESE THINGS OUT.

UM, WE CAN ANTICIPATE A NEED TO SUPPORT BOTH PRIVATE CHARGING AND PUBLIC CHARGING.

SO PRIVATE BEING AT HOME BEHIND THE METER, UM, WHERE YOU'RE CHARGING YOUR OWN VEHICLES AND

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THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NO, THAT'S GOOD.

UM, WE SHOULD ALSO BE CAREFUL NOT TO COMPETE AGAINST OURSELVES AS WE ROLL OUT THIS TECHNOLOGY IN SUPPORTIVE.

UM, WE NEED TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE OUR RATE SCHEDULES ARE MOST LIKELY, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE SUFFICIENT OR INSUFFICIENT FOR CHARGING.

UM, AND WE NEED TO DOUBLE-CHECK THOSE THINGS.

WE SHOULD ALSO BE CAREFUL NOT TO BURDEN OUR OTHER RATE PAYERS, UM, IN NON UV ADOPTERS, UM, AS THIS TECHNOLOGY ROLLS OUT AND AS WE TRY TO SUPPORT IT AS AN INDUSTRY ACROSS THE COUNTRY, DC FAST CHARGING, UM, AND STATE AVERAGES ARE RUNNING BETWEEN 30 TO 45 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR.

AND IN SOME CASES, THIS IS NOT ENOUGH TO COVER THE COST OF SERVICE.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I'LL TAKE A SIDESTEP HERE INTO AN INTRODUCTION TO ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND HELP YOU KIND OF GET A VISUAL OR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE DIFFERENT CHARGERS LEVEL ONE AND LEVEL TWO ARE BASICALLY HOME CHARGING TYPE OF SCENARIOS.

UM, AND THEY PROBABLY WILL REQUIRE, AT LEAST WILL THEY REQUIRE ONE PER VEHICLE DEPENDING ON YOUR SCHEDULING NEEDS.

SO IF YOU HAD TWO VEHICLES AT THE HOUSE AND THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO BE CHARGED AT THIS SAME SCHEDULE, UM, WHERE THEY NEEDED TO BE CHARGED AT THE SAME SCHEDULE, YOU'D NEED TWO OF THESE.

SO LEVEL ONE, UM, IT'S 120 VOLTS ABOUT 16 AMPS AT 1.9, UH, TW IT'S EQUIVALENT TO ALMOST HALF A CLOTHES DRYER AND LOW OR 26 KROC CLASS.

UM, YOU CAN GET ABOUT THREE TO FIVE MILES AN HOUR CHARGE.

YOU NEED $200 ADAPTER TO GET YOU STARTED.

THERE'S PROBABLY NO INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS, UM, OR INSTALLATION COSTS NECESSARY TO GET YOU UP AND RUNNING LEVEL TWO.

YOU DOUBLE THE VOLTAGE DOUBLE THE CURRENT, UM, KILOWATT, UH, GOES UP TO ABOUT SEVEN AND IT'S ABOUT EQUIVALENT TO TWO, UH, ELECTRIC CLOTHES DRYERS AND 97 CROCKPOTS AND GET ABOUT 10 TO 20 MILES, UM, ON A ONE HOUR CHARGE CHARGING YOU.

AND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND INSTALLATION COSTS OF THAT CHARGING UNIT AVERAGE ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS ABOUT 1200 BUCKS DC, FAST CHARGING, WHICH IS WHAT WE JUST GOT A GRANT FOR, AND WHICH WE HAVE INSTALLED DOWN AT THE RED BEAR PARKING LOT.

AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES THAT IN A MINUTE, THIS IS A GAME CHANGER.

THIS IS DOUBLE THE LEVEL TWO VOLTAGE.

SO 480 VOLTS AT 104 AMPS, 50 KW IT'S EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT 17 ELECTRIC CLOTHES.

DRYERS ARE 694 CRACKPOTS FLAT CROCKPOTS.

UM, YOU CAN GET ABOUT, UH, MANUFACTURER, YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT AN 80% CHARGE AND ABOUT 30 MINUTES, THIS IS ALL SUBJECTIVE TO THE VEHICLE AND, AND THE AGE OF THE BATTERY.

SO DON'T HOLD ME TO THESE NUMBERS, GET YOU ABOUT 200 MILES.

UM, CHARGING UNIT COST ABOUT $36,000.

UM, INSTALLATIONS CAN ADD ABOUT ANOTHER 20,000 IN INFRASTRUCTURE IS ABOUT $35,000.

TAKING A LOOK AT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

THAT'S OUR UNIT OR TWO CHARGING STATIONS ON THE LEFT.

IT'S 125 KW TOTAL EACH ONE'S 62 AND A HALF KW ON THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN IS A SMALL PIGGLY WIGGLY ON TATUM, 135 KW.

IT'S A LOT OF POWER.

SO IT'S A LOT OF ENERGY COMING THROUGH THOSE CHARGING STATION.

UM, WE GOT TO MANAGE THAT BOTH SAFELY.

WE GOT, GOTTA MANAGE IT ALSO ON A GOOD RATE BASE SO THAT WE RECOVER THOSE COSTS.

UM, CHARLIE REAL QUICK, WHERE YOU GO FORWARD, WHAT, WHAT SAFETY PROTOCOLS ARE IN PLACE WITH THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT PLUGGED INTO A CAR THAT A KID CAN'T WALK UP THERE AND TAKE A PAPERCLIP AND STICK INSIDE OF THAT.

UM, THEY'RE ALL UL APPROVED AND THEY COULD GO THREE AND EIGHT LABORATORIES IN THEIR SAFETY PROTOCOLS THROUGH THAT MANUFACTURING INDUSTRY.

AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU SOME OTHER PICTURES OF HOW THE POWER IS DISTRIBUTED IN THERE'S NORMAL PROTECTIVE DEVICES THAT YOU CAN TRIP CIRCUIT BREAKERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO HERE'S OUR SITE, UM, ON THE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF BOUNCE AROUND HERE A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND KIND OF AN ORDERLY FLOW, BUT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU START WITH YOUR POWER SUPPLY.

THAT'S 150 KVA, 480 VOLT TRANSFORMER

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THAT SUPPLY AND PRIVATE TO THE WHOLE SITE.

UM, AFTER THAT WE HAVE A REVENUE METER THAT'S INSTALLED.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE THIS REVENUE TO COLLECT REVENUES OR BILL OFF AT THIS TIME WAS GOING TO USE IT AS A DATA METER SO THAT WE CAN STUDY THE ANALYTICS AND THE PERFORMANCE, UM, OF HOW THIS IS WORKING.

UM, AND THEN I PUT ON THE, TO THE LEFT IN THE MIDDLE, UH, IS YOUR POWER PANEL AND ALL YOUR POWER IS DELIVERED TO THE CHARGERS, UH, THROUGH THAT PANEL.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE PROTECTED AND BREAKERS ARE AT TO GET THE CHARGER ENERGIZED SO THAT IF YOU'VE STUCK THE CLIP PAPER CLIP INTO, YOU HAVE TO ACTIVATE THE CHARGER.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UM, ACTIVATE SERVICE WITH THAT.

THEY ARE NOT LIVE WHEN YOU PICK UP THE CORD.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY POWER IS DELIVERED, UM, FROM THE CHARGERS TO THE BATTERY, THROUGH THOSE COURTS, OUR GRANT, WE RECEIVED A, UM, $128,000, ALMOST $129,000 FROM DEQ IN VOLKSWAGEN.

THIS WAS VOLKSWAGEN OF SETTLEMENTS ON SOME EMISSION PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAD A FEW YEARS BACK THAT YOU MIGHT RECALL.

AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS TO SETTLEMENT THAT IS TO, IS TO TRY TO, UM, STIMULATE ELECTRIC CHARGING, UM, ACROSS THE INTERSTATE ACTIVITY, UM, IN KIND SERVICES WE HAD ABOUT $33,000 WORTH OF TIME WORK THAT WE CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECTS OVERALL, IT'S ABOUT $161,000 PROJECT INCLUDES TWO DC FAST CHARGING STATIONS.

YOU CAN CHARGE TWO CARS AT ONE TIME AND CHARGE ONE CAR AT 125 KW WHERE YOU CAN CHARGE TWO AT 62.5.

UM, IT INCLUDED THE EQUIPMENT INSTALLATION, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND ALL OF THE MARKETING CUSTOMER SERVICE, CASHIERING, TELEMETRY MAINTENANCE AND WARRANTY IS COVERED UNDER THIS PROGRAM.

SO THE CONSUMER WILL, WILL ACTIVATE THE SERVICE AND SWIPE THEIR CARD AND THEY'LL CHARGE THEY'LL PAY FOR THEIR SERVICE THROUGH THEIR CAR, THROUGH THEIR ACCOUNT.

AND THEN THIRD PARTY CHARGE POINT WILL COLLECT THAT REVENUE AND THEY'LL TAKE 10% TO DO ALL THE KASHMIRI ON IT.

AND THEY'LL SEND US A CHECK EVERY MONTH FOR, FOR THE BALANCE, MR. CHARLIE.

SO DOES THAT MEAN SINCE WE HAVE TWO STATIONS, FOUR VEHICLES CAN BE NO ONLY TWO CAN BE CHARGED AT A TIME ON EACH.

IT SHOWS TWO CORDS ON EACH ONE THAT'S MISLEADING.

THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT ADAPTERS, BUT IT'S SET UP FOR TWO VEHICLES.

ONE, IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT VEHICLE AND THE RIGHT SIZE BATTERY, ONE VEHICLE CAN TAKE, TAKE IT OFF 125 KW.

GOTCHA.

JONATHAN, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT RATE THIS IS GOING TO? I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THE CHARGES, WELL, WE'RE DOING A RATE STUDY RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE, WE TOOK A CRACK AT IT, UH, WITH OUR OWN ENGINEERING STAFF, HAD ELECTRICITIES LOOK AT IT AND WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL RATE CONSULTING WITH THE UNIT AS WELL.

AND, UH, WE'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THAT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND PROBABLY COME BACK TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION LATER ON, ON WHAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE RATE.

MOST LIKELY WE'RE PROBABLY HEADING TOWARDS SOME SORT OF TIME ABUSE AND SOME SORT OF DEMANDS COMPONENT IN THAT RATE.

BUT I NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK ON THAT BEFORE, SO WE WILL CHARGE EXACTLY WHAT IT COST US IS THAT NO, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, LEAST MAKE COST OF SERVICE AND THEN RECOVERED MAKE SOME REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

UM, SO THAT IT IS THAT PROFIT.

IT IS WORTHWHILE.

AND ANOTHER WAY WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AS FAR AS THE RACE GOES IS GAS EQUIVALENT.

AND DOES IT MAKE SENSE? YOU KNOW, YOU FIGURE WHAT ABOUT 30 BUCKS TO GO 200 MILES ON GAS AT 20 MILES PER GALLON? UM, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.

SO COULD THE RATE BE SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO GET YOU 30 BUCKS GETS YOU 200 MILES, SO IT'S JUST A LOT TO CONSIDER AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU, GIVE ME OR ANYBODY ELSE TOO MUCH, ONE TIME A DIGEST ON THIS.

WELL, SO CHARLIE, WHEN YOU ARE COMING UP WITH A RATE STRUCTURE, WHICH THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THAT SAME WOOD, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE USING ELECTRIC CARS, ARE THEY AWARE THAT PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW THIS, I HAVEN'T STUDIED THE MARKET, BUT OBVIOUSLY

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IF A PERSON IS CHARGED WITH THE CAR AT FOUR IN THE MORNING VERSUS ON 110 DEGREE DAY, AND WE'RE OUT HERE PICK DEMAND, UM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF VARIABLE ADJUSTMENT ON THAT.

I SAID YOU WERE SPOT ON WITH MY CONCERNS.

WELL, I MEAN, SO YOU CAN'T GO HERE AND CHARGE 15 CENTS KILOWATT HOUR FLAT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE IN THAT THE CONSUMERS DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE THAT THERE ARE DEMAND PERIODS THAT IS GOING TO DRIVE THE MARKET PRICE, WHICH IS THAT NOT TRUE.

IT'S ALL BASED ON THE ADOPTION RATE.

AND IF ONE VEHICLE, IF IT'S POORLY ADOPTED, I CAN'T SPREAD THAT COST OUT TO, I STILL HAVE TO SPREAD IT OUT TO LEAST LESS CUSTOMERS, BUT IF IT'S HEAVILY ADOPTED, I CAN SPREAD THAT COST OUT TO MORE CUSTOMERS MAKE ANY SENSE.

WELL, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT IF EVERYBODY'S CHARGING FAR AS FOUR IN THE MORNING AND THEY'RE DOING A SUPERCHARGE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A HECK OF A LOT CHEAPER FOR THEM AND US.

THEN IF THEY'RE DOING IT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON ON A HUNTER AND YOU'RE RIGHT ON, THERE'S A COUPLE PARTS TO THIS.

THERE'S THE PART THAT IS PUBLIC CHARGING IN A RATE THAT WE WOULD MAY OFFER ON THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF UNIT WHERE THE POINT OF DELIVERY OF SERVICES IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND THEN THERE'S ALL THE CHARGING THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE METER THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT HAPPENS AS A UTILITY.

AND AS THOSE PEOPLE START CHARGING OVERNIGHT AT THREE, FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING OR AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, WE HAVE AS A UTILITY, HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE DOING UNTIL WE SEE THAT LOAD PROFILE START TO SHIFT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

AND WE SAY, OH, UM, OR DEMANDS YOU'RE OUT OF HERE.

IT'S A FLAT RIGHT.

PEOPLE THAT ARE ECONOMICALLY TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING CHARGE ON THAT OFF PEAK DEMAND.

THEY'RE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THEY, HEY, PERIODS, MOST, MOST LIKELY.

WE'RE PROBABLY HEADING TOWARDS LOOKING AT TIME OF USE RATES AND OFF PEAK DEMANDS RATES.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

UH, AND YOU DO PROBABLY HAVE TO CONSIDER YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, YOUR TRANSFORMERS AROUND THE CITY.

YOU'RE AGREEING AS TO WHERE YOU'RE GONNA LOCATE THESE.

IF YOU'VE PUT THEM IN SOMETHING THERE CERTAIN AREA WHERE YOU'RE STRUCK YOUR GRID, STRUCTURE'S NOT THERE.

AND IT DID CAUSE THERE, AND WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO HAVE A COST PROHIBITED.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

IF WE HAD 2, 3, 4 CARS, CAR CHARGING STATIONS TO EVERY RESIDENTIAL HOME AND THE SIZE OF MY TRANSFORMER THAT I SIZED FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE TODAY, IT MAY BE UNDERSIZED, MAYBE UNDER A LOT OF ARTICLES WRITTEN IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO ABOUT MUNICIPALITIES GET EVEN GETTING INTO THIS BUSINESS AND SHOULD WE BECOME A SHELL STATION, RIGHT? YEAH.

UM, I'M CONCERNED THAT, UH, THIS THING'S GOING TO COST US A LOT OF MONEY AND JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN RECOUP OUR EXPENSES AND MAKE SOME REVENUE, UH, WITHOUT A COST TO THEM, THE CUSTOMER A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SO TO CHARGE HER VEHICLE UP.

RIGHT? THE, THE GRANT LIFE IS VERY SHORT AND EXPIRES EARLY 20, 23.

UM, SO I THINK OUR EXPOSURE IS VERY LIMITED.

I THINK I'LL BE BACK WITH, WITH THE FAIRLY REASONABLE RATE THAT THE CONSUMER COULD TOLERATE AND AS MINIMAL RISK, OBVIOUSLY WE COULD S WE COULD SET A RATE THAT DISCOURAGES EVERYBODY FROM USING IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.

UM, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SHOULD WE BE THE NEXT SHELL STATION OR SHOULDN'T IN PUMPING GAS, WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING ELECTRICITY AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

WE SELL ELECTRICITY.

AS LONG AS WE SELL IT AND MAKE MONEY, BUT THE PROFIT SECTOR IS GOING TO BOB BOUGHT FROM US AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SELL IT AT SOME RATE.

SO WHY DON'T WE SELL IT OURSELVES? I MEAN, CUT OUT THE MIDDLE OF THE DIFFERENCES IS BEHIND THE METER.

IT'S ON THE METER.

IT'S BEHIND THEIR METER.

WE CAN, WE MAY END UP HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION.

DO WE WANT TO BE POINTED DELIVERY SALE? THE SHELL STATION, AS WE KNOW IT, DRIVE UP HUMPHREY STATION AND WE ARE SELLING IT TO THE END POINT USER.

UM, OR DO WE WANT TO SAY IT ALWAYS NEEDS, WE'LL PROVIDE YOU, THE POWER WILL BE THE TRUCKING COMPANY THAT GETS YOU THE GASOLINE TO YOUR, YOUR TANK.

AND THEN YOU PUT UP YOUR RETAIL SHOP AND YOU SELL THAT RESELL THE ELECTRICITY.

THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE CHOICES THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WE WANT TO BE.

OH, OH ONE PARISH AND THEN I'LL GET YA.

UM, THE THING THAT I WAS GONNA, UM, STAY IS, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO HOPEFULLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET PASSED ON

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THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

THEY'RE CREATING INCENTIVES FOR US TO GO GREEN.

AND THIS IS PART OF IT WHERE LIKE, IF YOU'RE YOU OWN THE CAR, THE GOVERNMENT IS GONNA TRY AND GIVE YOU AN INCENTIVE TO GO TO AN ELECTRIC CAR.

SO I'M PRETTY SURE IF THEY'RE DOING IT ON A RESIDENTIAL, LIKE, LEVEL FOR CITIZENS, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE FUNDS AND STUFF AVAILABLE FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO BE ABLE TO CONVERT, BECAUSE IT'S EVEN WITH THE SOLAR PANELS, IT'S ABOUT, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENCY WITH YOUR HOME.

SO I'M, I'M WATCHING AND WAITING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS A MUNICIPALITY TO BENEFIT FROM THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BILL ONCE THEY PASS IT, IF THEY CAN DO THAT.

AND I'M FOLLOWING IT TOO.

UM, MY SENSE IS THAT MOST OF IT'S TARGETED TOWARDS TRANSMISSION IN THE BULK ELECTRIC SYSTEM.

I HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL WITH THE AMERICAN PUBLIC POWER ASSOCIATION IN ELECTRIC CITIES THAT I THINK SOME OF THAT NEEDS TO COME DOWN TO THE DISTRIBUTION COMPANIES BECAUSE WE ULTIMATELY CAN BEAT THE BOTTLENECK.

UM, YOU BEEF UP THE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM TO GET IT HERE, BUT I STILL GOTTA DELIVER IT.

UM, AND I CAN'T DO IT AT THE COST OF MY RATE PAYERS.

OH YEAH.

CHARLIE, UM, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT AT FIRST YOUR PRIORITY WILL BE TO LOOK AT THE DEMAND FOR CORRECT.

CORRECT.

SO IF THERE'S NOT REALLY A BIG DEMAND FOR IT HERE IN THE CITY, IS IT SOMETHING THAT, WHAT IS THE ADOPTION RATE GOING TO BE? I, I DON'T KNOW.

AND WE HAVE PUSHES FROM THE FED SAYING THAT THEY WANT TO STIMULATE THIS AND WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED, BE PREPARED.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE GOING ON RIGHT NOW WHERE TESLAS.

YOU PULL UP THE SMITHFIELDS AND PLUG IT IN AND YOUR, WHATEVER THE PRICE IS, IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY.

I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, IS THAT THE SAME THING THAT WE HAVE DOWN HERE? DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT IS THE STATION AT THE RED BEAR PARKING LOT.

WE'RE SELLING IT DIRECTLY TO THE CUSTOMER.

WE'RE CASHING THEM OUT.

THE TESLA SITE, WE HAVE A REVENUE METER AND WE BILL SOME AGENT OF TESLA, ONE BILL PER MONTH.

AND THEY RESELL IT TO WHOEVER THEY THINK OR WHOEVER THEY WANT AT WHATEVER RATE THAT THEY WANT.

SO OUR SITES COULD THEORETICALLY BE IN COMPETITION WITH EACH OTHER.

AND, UM, THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THE RATE THAT THEY'RE ON.

I'M WATCHING IT VERY CLOSELY, MAY NOT BE DESIGNED FOR THAT TYPE OF LOAD FACTOR, MEANING IT'S VERY LOW LOAD FACTOR.

OUR RATES ARE DESIGNED FOR MEDIUM AND HIGH LOAD FACTOR YOU'RE ON ALL DAY LONG.

SO I'M WATCHING THAT VERY CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, UM, THAT RATE PERFORMS. AND IF IT'S NOT PERFORMING, COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON A NEW TYPE OF RATE TO INTRODUCE TO OUR RATES SCHEDULES, UM, AND IT'S HAPPENING ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, WE NEED TO BE PREPARED BECAUSE THEY JUST SHOW UP.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS IN PLACE TO SUPPORT THIS, THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY, UM, WE COULD BE, UM, BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL, RIGHT? YES.

WHERE IS THAT TESLA SITE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THEY HAVE A SUPER FAST CHARGING STATION WITH EIGHT CHARGING UNITS IN IT, AT THE SMITHFIELD BBQ, RIGHT? WELL, THEY MAY HAVE, THEY HAVEN'T OVER MORRIS DOWN OVER BY WHERE THE NEW HARRIS TEETER IS THERE SOME CHARGING STATIONS IN THERE.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE.

I'M AWARE OF THERE'S SOME TESLA CHARGING STATIONS THAT THERE'S TV THEATER AND CAROLINA COLORS, AND THOSE ARE LEVEL TWO CHARGERS.

AND THOSE ARE BEHIND HARRIS TEETER'S METERS, THE REVENUE METER.

SO HARRIS TEETER'S PAYING THE ELECTRIC ON THOSE.

SO I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON THE QUESTION I HAD IS WHAT, WHAT RATES, SO THOSE TESLA PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S THAT SMITHFIELD'S, THEY'RE PAYING WHATEVER SMITHFIELD'S COMMERCIAL RATE IS.

AND OBVIOUSLY THE DEMANDS WILL BE A LOT HIGHER.

THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ON THE SMITHFIELD ACCOUNT, THEY'RE ON THEIR SEPARATE ACCOUNT AND THEY'RE UNDER OUR MEDIUM GENERAL SERVICE RATE.

AND IT'S BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF DEMAND THAT WE EXPECT TO SEE, BUT WE'LL HAVE A VERY LOW ENERGY USAGE.

IT'S A LOW LOAD FACTOR.

UM, WE'LL, WE'LL THEY USE THAT DEMAND 10% OF THE TIME, 20% OF 20, 30% OF THE TIME.

AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING? DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE CHARGING NOW? WE DON'T, IT DOESN'T SHOW IT LIKE WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE LIKE A GAS TANK, IT DOESN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH IT IS.

NO, AND THEY WON'T TESLA.

THEY WON'T, THEY WON'T TELL ME.

SOMETIMES THEY GRAB US THE SALE OF THEIR FUEL INTO THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE CAR, A CAR THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO ROLL SOME OF THAT BACK, BUT THEY'VE BEEN REALLY CATTY WITH ME ON TELLING ME HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE ME IF YOU OWN A TESLA.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONES THAT THOSE MACHINES WILL WORK WITH.

SO IF YOU OWN A TESLA,

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YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT MOST LIKELY YOU DID IT ON AN APP AND YOU SCHEDULED IT AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE PRICE POINT IS TODAY.

UM, AND IT PROBABLY LOOKED, THEY MAY CHANGE TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY AND MAY FLUCTUATE LIKE GASOLINE PRICES, MAYBE VOLATILE BASED ON THE ADOPTION RATE.

AND WHAT WILL THE TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE PUT IN WORK ON A TESLA.

TESLA IS DEVELOPING AN ADAPTER TO FIT OUR STATION.

SO RIGHT NOW THIS'LL SERVE VOLKSWAGEN, OBVIOUSLY.

OH, THE OTHER ONES, ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT FOR TESLA.

CORRECT.

AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, OR COMMENT, WE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT YOU KNOW, FROM A TDA PERSPECTIVE IN A DOWNTOWN NEWBURN, THIS IS, SHOULD BE PART OF THEIR MARKETING EFFORTS TO ADVERTISE IT, YOU KNOW, STOP HERE ON YOUR WAY TO THE BEACH, FILL UP, FILL UP THEORETICALLY, I GUESS, RECHARGE, I SHOULD SAY.

AND THEN SHOP WALK AROUND AND THEN COME BACK AND GET YOUR CAR AND THEN LEAVE.

MAYBE NOT WITH SHOP AND WALK AROUND.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FULL CHARGE FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES AND MOST LIKELY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, PENALTIES IF YOU DECIDE TO HANG OUT.

SO YOU DON'T WANT IT ON THE CHARGE FOR INACTIVE CHARGING.

WE DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE UP THAT, THAT STALL WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE COULD BE USING.

WE PROBABLY ALSO AT SOME POINT IN TIME, NEED TO TALK ABOUT, DO WE NEED TO DO PARKING ENFORCEMENT ON THOSE? THEY'RE NOT PARKING SPOTS, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING.

SO CHARLIE, ARE YOU, DO YOU FORESEE, UM, ONCE THESE TWO ARE UP AND RUNNING, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDING ON MORE? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION FOR US.

UM, WELL, DEQ AND VOLKSWAGEN IS PUSHING, UH, TO APPLY FOR MORE.

UM, THAT WOULD BE UP TO US.

UM, I'M GOING TO PURSUE IT AS FAR AS I CAN AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

IF YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT.

THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION CYCLE REQUIRES TO BE CITED ON PRIVATE OR ON PUBLIC PROPERTY WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE TO HIGHWAY ACCESS.

OTHER ONES THAT THEY'RE PUSHING OUT CAN BE, IT CAN BE OWNED OR OPERATED BY PRIVATE.

UM, SO WE COULD PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOME, BUT YOU HAD THE BIG PUSH IS DON'T BE FOUR.

TRUCKS ARE GOING TO GO ALL BYRON BY WHAT? 2035.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT THE, UH, UM, THE LIGHTNING, THE ONE 50, UM, BIGGER CHASSIS, BIGGER FRAME, BIGGER BATTERIES.

AND THEY'RE ADVERTISING THAT TRUCK TO NOT ONLY BE YOUR TRUCK, BUT TO BE YOUR GENERATOR WHEN YOU GET TO YOUR WORK SITE AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT YOUR, YOU CAN TAKE THESE CARS AND YOU CAN BACK FEED YOUR HOUSE AND IT CAN BE THE GENERATOR FOR YOUR HOUSE.

THAT'S GOOD.

MORE THAN MY LITTLE BRAIN.

THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S WHY, THEY'RE WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH IT FROM THE TOP DOWN.

BECAUSE ESPECIALLY US, WHEN WE HAVE HURRICANES, GOD FORBID WHERE OUT OF ELECTRICITY, IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S CHARGED UP AND YOU CAN USE IT AS A GENERATOR, THEN I'M SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING TO WHAT I KNOW LOCALLY WITH HURRICANES AND BEING WITHOUT ELECTRICITY, TO ME AS A CONSUMER, IT WOULD BE A LOT TO THINK ABOUT.

AND ESPECIALLY BACKFEEDING THE HOUSE.

IF I'M REALLY OUT OF POWER AND I'M GOING TO DRAIN MY BATTERY TO CHARGE FOR, TO FEED THE HOUSE, THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I DRAIN MY CAR TO NOW, I DON'T HAVE A CAR POWER, STILL NOT ON IT, WHICH I WOULD NEVER DO AND GET THE CAR BACK ON REALLY QUICK.

BUT SO CHARLIE I'M LAST YEAR IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING QUESTION, WHICH IS THE BEST CHARGE, THE CHECKUP CHARGE TO THE HOME CHARGE OR THE BIGGEST CHARGE, I'D SAY PROBABLY THE LOWER BONE.

THE TWIN WOULD BE THAT NINE ON THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE BATTERY DOOR.

YOU'RE THE ENGINEER.

THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.

UM, THE FASTER YOU CHARGE IT, THE MORE HEAT YOU'RE GOING TO PRODUCE AND THE MORE POWER YOU'RE GOING TO USE AND OH, YOU GOT BIGGER STUFF AND MORE THINGS CAN HAPPEN.

BAD THINGS FOR LISTENING TO ME AND YOUR FEEDBACK.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THEY BUY OUT SOME OF THE BATTERY THEN.

THEY APPOINTMENTS TONIGHT.

LET'S GO TO APPOINTMENTS.

THAT'S IMPORTANT NIGHTMARE.

[14. City Manager's Report.]

HERE'S THE BIG ONE.

THE CITY MANAGERS REPORT.

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IT IS REALLY BLOCKING THE VIEW OF TRAFFIC.

I'VE GOT SEVERAL THINGS I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.

FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, MARVIN WITH KIMONO.

MARVIN IS CURRENTLY THE CHIEF OF POLICE WITH THE CITY OF HAVELOCK.

HE'S GOT 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE STATE HIGHWAY PATROL, RETIRING AS DISTRICT COMMANDER, AND HE ALSO SERVED IN THE MARINE CORPS.

UM, MARVIN HAS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN PSYCHOLOGY FROM WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY AND A MASTER OF ARTS IN STRATEGIC STUDIES FROM THE UNITED STATES ARMY WAR COLLEGE.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE MARVIN JOIN US.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER, UM, AND MARVIN DID A GREAT JOB DURING HIS INTERVIEW.

WE HAD 40 APPLICANTS FROM THIS TO THIS POSITION FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO MARK AND B UH, MAYOR AND BOARD.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, THE CITY MANAGER FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY AT THIS POSITION.

I'VE, UH, I'VE LIVED HERE IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND I'VE LIVED AND WORKED HERE AND WE ARE, I'M VERY EXCITED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO BE PART OF, UH, LIVING AND WORKING IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.

UH, I'VE UH, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND, UH, BETWEEN MY WIFE AND I, WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY HERE.

AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH, UH, ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES AND WORKING FOR THE US CITIZENS AND THE BUSINESS TO THE CITY.

THEY GAVE US THE MAN.

NOW WE GOT THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE.

HAVE YOU ON BOARD SHEET? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO MARVIN WILL BE STARTING IN NOVEMBER, SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

WELCOME TO ME.

I MIGHT NEED TO GET HIM A BEAR PEN AND THE NEXT ITEM WE'VE GOT AS WE JUST HAD MY BEST THIS PAST WEEKEND.

AND WE HAD A LOT OF INCIDENCE CITY EMPLOYEES INVOLVED WITH THE SETUP OF THIS AND MONITORING.

SO I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THE WORK THAT POLICE FIRE RESCUE, PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS AND RECREATION AND PUBLIC UTILITIES DID.

ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS ALSO HAD BOOTHS SET UP FIRE RESCUE DID A GREAT DEMONSTRATION.

I THINK SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS PARTICIPATED IN THAT.

AND SO, UH, IT WAS A VERY GOOD TIME.

STAFF WORKED VERY HARD FOR THIS EVENT, UH, AND IT WAS VERY GOOD.

WE'RE GLAD TO COME BACK AND OFFER THIS AFTER A YEAR OF NO FESTIVAL.

ALSO THE MUM PIECE WILL BE COMING UP THIS WEEKEND, A FEW STREET CLOSURES, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE SOME BANDS.

IT'S AN ACTIVITY DOWNTOWN.

PLEASE CHECK THAT OUT.

NEXT ITEM I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU OF IS ROOM 1 0 1 KICKS OFF THIS WEEK, THIS THURSDAY, THIS IS A SEVEN WEEK COURSE.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE 26 ASSISTANTS SIGNED UP.

SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS FOR OUR INAUGURAL COURSE.

UM, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS WILL BE VISITED OVER THE SEVEN WEEKS.

THE FINAL MEETING WILL BE HERE AT CITY HALL FOR, UH, ALL OF OUR PARTICIPANTS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT THROUGH A BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING.

AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO CARVE SOME TIME OUT FOR THE AUGMENT TO SPEAK WITH THE PARTICIPANTS AND HAVE A Q AND A SESSION.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO OFFERING THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TWICE A YEAR, SPRING AND FALL.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT IT SHOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR EVERYONE.

NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THE TISDALE HOUSE, BLACK SWAN, UH, OVER ON A BROAD STREET.

UM, AFTER SPEAKING WITH STAFF WITH HAD ALSO HAD, UH, SOME STUDIES DOWN IN THE HOUSE WITH, WE LOOKED AT POSSIBLY RELOCATING THIS AND AT THIS TIME STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, RELEASING THE RFQ SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE GAM RESTAURANT, UH, TO HAVE OUTSIDE INDIVIDUALS LOOK AT RELOCATING THE BUILDING OR, OR DEMOLISHING THE STRUCTURE.

UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO SEEK GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD ON HOW YOU'D LIKE FOR US TO PROCEED WITH THIS.

I LIKE, I, I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA SPEAK TO ME.

I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PROCEED WITH, UH, UH, QUIET OPPORTUNITY FOR FIXED QUOTE EITHER, UH, RE MOVING THE HOME, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND WITH A TIME LEVEL OF 60 DAYS.

AND IF THEY, UH, ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF BIBLE MATERIAL IN THERE.

SO ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT OFF, UH, ARE, UH, UH, QUOTE OPPORTUNITY TIME FOR HOW LONG, UM, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP THAT OPEN 30 DAYS WE'LL BE UP FOR ABOUT TWO TO THREE WEEKS, AND THEN WE WILL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO, UH, RELOCATE OR MOUSE WITHIN 60 DAYS.

AND SO SALVAGING WOULD OBVIOUSLY PART BE PART OF THAT PROCESS AND WITH THE REMOVAL OR MOVING OF IT WITHIN 60 DAYS.

IS THAT

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RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

I WOULD GET ALONG WITH THAT AND YOU DO NEED TO GET DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AND THE BOARD.

PLEASE LET THE MANAGER KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ON THAT.

I SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAID, MAYOR FIRST, GO AHEAD AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE.

UM, AND HONESTLY, TOO, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE SALVAGED, IF THERE'S NO ONE THAT'S GOING TO BITE AT IT AND IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WE COULD CONNECT WITH HABITAT, HUMANITY, THEY BUILD HOMES, MAYBE SOME OF THAT STUFF CAN BE RE FURBISHED AND UTILIZED.

AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK TO MIKE AND ANTOINETTE ABOUT IN REGARDS TO THAT, IF WE CAN'T FIND ANYONE TO EITHER DEMOLISH IT OR TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE IT, AND WE'RE RESPONSIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.

IS THAT PROPER DIRECTION? DO YOU, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, I SUPPORT THAT.

I WOULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT THAT WHATEVER THE LEGAL PROCESS WOULD BE IS WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS SOMEONE TO BID ON THIS WITH GREAT INTENTIONS AND 60 DAYS COME AND THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE 60 DAYS FROM MOVING IT.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THE PROCEDURE OF GETTING IT DEMOLISHED OURSELF, AND THEN DID THEY PAY US MONEY THAT WE GIVE THEM MONEY BACK? SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR AND VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT IF SOMEBODY STEPS OUT ON THAT LIMB, THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET IN TROUBLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY TO MOVE OUT, OBVIOUSLY.

AND I JUST, I WOULD ASK THAT THE, UM, NEW-BORN PRESERVATION FOUNDATION BE CONTACTED.

YOU KNOW, THEY MAY SAY NO IMMEDIATELY, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF MOVING HOUSES AND NEWBURN, MANY OF OUR HISTORIC HOMES ARE IN THEIR ORIGINAL PLACE.

AND I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LOOK SINCE IT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, A HISTORIC HOME.

UM, AND IF THEY WANT TO MOVE IT FINE, IF NOT, I AGREE WITH ALDERMAN HARRIS HERE, THAT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE REUSE OF THE LUMBER AND MAYBE MA'AM TOOLS OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT TO BE PURPOSED.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE, SIR? THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

UM, COULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE MARTIN MARIETTA OR SCHOOL? YES, SIR.

SO, UH, WE ARE COMING TO THE END OF OUR GRANT WITH, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION TRUST FUND.

WE HAD CONSULTANTS FROM THE STATE VISIT US LAST WEEK.

THEY TOURED THE AREA AND LOOKED AT THE COMPONENTS THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO PUT IN THE BRAND.

THEY SIGNED OFF ON EVERYTHING.

WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROAD WORK, WE'VE GOT FENCES AND THE GATES TO COMPLETE IN THE FRONT WITH THE ENTRANCE OVER, DO A LITTLE WORK ON THAT.

THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A GRAND OPENING ON THIS PHASE AND OR VEHICLE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE THROUGHOUT THE ONE SECTION OF THE PARK BY MID NOVEMBER.

SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK PROBABLY ANOTHER TWO WEEKS TO GIVE A GRAND OPENING DAY AND ANNOUNCE OUR CELEBRATION.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S

[15. New Business.]

IT.

IT'S GOT A NEW BUSINESS STARTED WITH ALVIN, UH, FOSTER.

WHAT, UM, COULD YOU SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE CARNIVAL? I GUESS THAT'S TAKEN PLACE MY 12 YEAR OLD SOLVED AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS REMNANTS LEFT OVER FROM MOM PASSED.

I SAID, NO, SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WE HAVE AN AMUSEMENT COMPANY.

UM, MAGICAL MIDWAYS IS IN LAWSON CREEK PARK.

THEY'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THIS FRIDAY.

THEY WILL BE THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 10 DAYS.

THEY WILL, THEY'LL FINISH UP ON THE 24TH OF OCTOBER.

UH, THEIR HOURS WILL BE FROM 5:00 PM TO 11:00 PM DURING THOSE TIMES.

AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE SELLING, UM, PASSES TO GO IN THERE, $15.

ALL YOU CAN RIDE FOR THE EVENING.

THEY HAVE QUITE A LOT OF EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES GOING ON WITH THAT.

UM, THIS IS NOT A SPONSORSHIP WITH THE CITY.

BASICALLY THEY ARE, THEY HAVE PAID TO RENT THAT FACILITY.

UM, THEY ARE EXCITED.

WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THEM.

SO IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO COME OUT AND ENJOY A FAMILY-FRIENDLY TIME AT LAWSON CREEK PARK.

AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT IS I THINK CHARLIE, YOUR, YOUR CREW DID A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH A BUCKET TRUCK, LIFTING THE KIDS UP AS PART OF THE ATTRACTION AT MOUNTAIN FEST.

I WANTED TO CHALLENGE JORDAN FOR NEXT YEAR.

IF YOU CAN GET THE SEWER MANHOLE COVERS OPEN AND LET'S SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE WILLING AND THEY GO UNDER THERE VERSUS RIDING UP IN THE BUCKET TRUCK WENT A LITTLE CONTEST.

HOW ABOUT THAT? THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, AMERICA.

UM, YES.

I JUST HAVE ONE THING, I GUESS I CAN DIRECT THIS TO GEORGE, UM, F THE INTERSECTION THERE OF, AT THE INTERSECTION OF RACETRACK ROAD AND NEWS BOULEVARD, BRIGHT BEER BY ALMOST SAY, UM, THE DOG'S DREAM, THAT AREA RIGHT UP IN THERE.

UM, IF YOU'RE COMING OUT AND TRYING TO TURN ON A NEWS BOULEVARD GOING LEFT OR RIGHT.

THE LIGHT POLE, THIS, THERE IT IS,

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AND I KNOW A WHILE BACK, I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG BACK IT WAS.

WE TALKED WITH A MAN ABOUT GETTING IN TOUCH WITH, UM, DLT ABOUT SEEING, I THINK HE WAS ASKING FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT.

I THINK IT WAS ALL MACKENZIE, UH, TRAFFIC LIKE TO GO THERE.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PURSUE TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET OUT THERE AND, AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOME REALLY TRAGIC ACCIDENTS THERE.

UM, I CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO DEITY AND SEE WHAT INTENTIONS THEY HAVE AT THAT INTERSECTION.

AND IF IT'S A OBSTRUCTION FROM A VIEW, AT LEAST ON MADDIE, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY SEE IF THAT'S ONE OF OUR POLLS OR DO POLL AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP FACILITATE MOVING IT OUT OF YOUR LINE OF SIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

CAUSE THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT THERE.

UM, I THINK IT WAS FRIDAY, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY NEEDS SOME ATTENTION AND I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE, BUT IF THEY CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THE POLE.

UM, FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UM, MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT I, WE JUST FOUND OUT TODAY THAT THE POWER IN TO BURN ON IS GOING TO BE OFF OUR SCHEDULED OUTAGE.

I'VE WRITTEN IS THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY THIS FRIDAY MORNING FROM NINE O'CLOCK TO 1:00 PM IS GOING TO AFFECT BONE LOOP 6 0 1 TO 609 TO BURN A CIRCLE, TO SEEN A ROAD INTO SEEN A COURT ABOUT 75 HOMES.

AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS CHARLIE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I'M ASSUMING THIS IS PART OF THAT.

UM, PUTTING IN THE SWITCH GEAR THAT EVENTUALLY WILL HELP BACK FEED TO BURN.

UH, AND IN, IN CASE THERE'S SOME POWER OUTAGES OF SOME SORT OR SEPARATING THE POWER OR SOMETHING, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT'S FOR, UM, MOVING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR INSTANCE GOT.

SO IT'S KIND OF A JUGGLING ACT TO GET ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE MOVED AROUND A TIGHT END.

WE THOUGHT THAT A FRIDAY WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD TIME FOR ITS PRIMARY, THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, MOST PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE IMPACTED BY.

UM, ALSO JUST WANTED TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT LIVE, THAT TRAVEL OLD AIRPORT ROAD, THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE EVANS MEAL.

UM, I'VE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS TODAY ABOUT EXCESSIVE SPEEDING ON THAT ROAD.

I WILL BE TALKING TO CHIEF GALLAGHER HERE SHORTLY AND TO TRY TO GET SOME ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE.

UM, AND THOUGH THAT THE CHIEF HAS BEEN DOING SOME EXTRA ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE CAUSE I SEE THEM DOWN THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT I ALSO READ ON FACEBOOK AS SOON AS SOMEONE DRIVES THROUGH AND SEES A POLICE CAR THEY'RE RUNNING RADAR.

THEY ANNOUNCED IT TO THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THERE'S A POLICEMAN RUNNING RADAR THROUGH THERE.

SO, UH, HOW ASKED THE CHIEF, IF YOU WOULD TO TRY TO GET SOME ENFORCEMENT DOWN THERE AND I WANT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT CHALLENGE BOBBY, CAUSE I MEAN HE RAISED QUITE A BIT OF MONEY ON THAT.

WOULD YOU COME UP AND EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT AND LET US KNOW HOW SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, THEN WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? PAYING ATTENTION.

AREN'T YOU FIRE DEPARTMENT CHALLENGE.

IF YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MBA, UH, RAISING FUNDS FOR MBA FOR YEARS NOW.

AND WE DID THE TRUCK POOL A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE WE IT'S HOPE FOR HER SON THIS TIME WE DECIDED TO DO SOME FIREFIGHTER CHALLENGES AND IT'S BASICALLY RUNNING THROUGH THE AGILITY COURSE IS WHAT IT IS.

WE HAVE ONE WHERE THE ADULT RAN THROUGH AND THEN WE HAD ONE FOR THE KIDS RAN THROUGH AND WE ALSO HAD DR.

BOOTH, UH, WE RAISED ON THE, AND I'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE MDA THAT'S CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT.

GREAT.

DID YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT DIDN'T CHARLIE GO THROUGH IT MYSELF AND CHARLIE RAN THROUGH IT.

HOWEVER, THE CHARLIE THING.

WELL, THAT DEPENDS ON THANK YOU.

THANK G.

AND ONE MORE THING.

UM, GEORGE AND HIS DEPARTMENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'VE UM, HAD THE STOP BAR AND STOP SIGN COMING OUT OF BRYCE'S CREASE.

BRYCE'S CROSSING, UM, HAD NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED SINCE THEY WIDENED THE ROAD.

UH, AND GEORGE AND HIS CREWS WENT OUT THERE TODAY AND WAS SURVEYED.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE STOCK BAR WILL BE PAINTED REAL SOON AND THE, UM, STOP SIGN WILL BE RELOCATED AS SOON AS THE LOCATE PEOPLE COME IN AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T DIG THROUGH ANY SUDDENLINK

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CABLES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR RESPONSE ON THAT, GEORGE.

THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU, MAN.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I JUST WANT TO THANK, UM, EVERYONE THAT HAS BEEN IN PRAYERS AND SUPPORT.

UM, I COME OFFICIALLY ONE YEAR BREAST CANCER FREE AS OF OCTOBER SEVEN.

SO I THINK MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE ARE ON OUR, MY STAFF MEMBERS THAT LOVE ME, THAT I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, ANOTHER THING, UM, FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW MY MOM'S STORY, SHE MADE IT TO 71.

SO SHE IS STILL HERE AND WE JUST THANK GOD EVERY DAY.

UM, LASTLY, I HAD AN AMAZING CONVERSATION WITH, UM, MS. ANTOINETTE BOSKEY, UH, CHADWICK FROM, UM, HABITAT OF HUMANITY.

UM, THEY ARE DOING A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN THE COMMUNITY IN REGARDS TO RE REVITALIZING WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT.

UM, BUT ONE THING IN PARTICULAR THAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT HERE, UM, EDUCATING AND LOOKING FOR A BLOCK CAPTAINS, IF YOU ARE IN THE GREATER DUFFY FIELD RESIDENTS, UM, AREA, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO STEP INTO LEADERSHIP ROLES.

SO THAT BASICALLY YOU'RE THE BLOCK CAPTAIN.

YOU GO TO THESE TRAININGS, YOU GO INTO YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU FIGURE OUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, YOU BRING IT TO THE TABLE AND THEY THEY'RE WORKING TO PLAN TO SEE HOW THAT THEY CAN BRIDGE THE GAP FOR ALL OF THE INEQUITIES THAT THEY HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BEING A BLOCK CAPTAIN AND YOU'RE IN THE GREATER DUFFY FIELD COMMUNITY, THAT'S THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW.

UM, YOU CAN REACH, UH, ANTOINETTE, UH, BOSKEY CHADWICK AT HABITAT.

AND THAT NUMBER IS 2 5 2 6 3 3 5 5 1 2.

AND THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO, UM, CHIEF BOYD AND HIS STAFF.

UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, YOU GUYS WENT OUT TO, UH, TRENT PARK AND DID SOME SAFETY TRAINING.

AND MY DAUGHTER CAME HOME AND THE OTHER DAY SHE DECIDED TO SAY THAT SHE WANTED IT TO BE A FIREFIGHTER.

SO I TOLD HER, I SAID, WELL, I'LL, I'LL GO TELL IT TO YOU BOY, AND LET THEM KNOW THAT HE MIGHT HAVE A CANDIDATE WHEN SHE GETS OLDER.

SO I JUST APPRECIATE THE THINGS THAT YOU DO EVEN WITH A CHIEF GALLAGHER GOING INTO THE SCHOOLS AND JUST DOING TEACHING IS SO IMPORTANT.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

THAT'S ON LABEL.

UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS, UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, FOSTER MENTIONED ABOUT, WE HAD A SUCCESSFUL MONTH FEST THIS WEEKEND, BUT YOU KNOW, A HEARTFELT THANKS TO GEORGE, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH TOOK MANY, MANY PEOPLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND I HAVE TO SAY, I'VE BEEN DOING MEMPHIS FOR 40 YEARS NOW.

AND, UH, THIS WAS THE SMOOTHEST.

EVERYTHING SEEMED TO BE IN ORDER.

UH, THE CLEANUP WAS QUICK AS USUAL AND EVERYTHING GOT PUT BACK TOGETHER.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF BECAUSE IT DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN.

IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK.

OF COURSE, THE SWISS BAYER PEOPLE PUT IT OUT THERE.

IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK FROM OUR STAFF.

I SAW POLICEMEN EVERYWHERE.

SO I KNEW THERE WAS GREAT SECURITY FOR OUR VISITORS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKED BEAUTIFUL.

OUR TOWN LOOKED BEAUTIFUL AND, AND FOSTER THANK YOU TO PARKS AND REC.

I SEE CARRIE SITTING BACK THERE, UM, THE FLOWERS WERE JUST AMAZING AT CITY HALL, THE BIG A WAGON THAT LOOKED GREAT.

THE WELCOME SIGN, THE ARCH AT UNION POINT, I SAW PEOPLE ALL WEEKEND LONG PHOTO OPS AND SHARING THEM ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO THANK YOU.

IT WAS REALLY WONDERFUL TO SEE ALL OF THAT.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE STAFF THAT PARTICIPATED JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN BY ITSELF.

SO, UM, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE LAST MEETING AND MY NOTES.

UM, I HAD ASKED ABOUT THE SURPLUS PROPERTY LIST, UH, MR. RUGERI, ARE YOU WORKING FOR MERCY? UM, OR ARE YOU WORKING ON THAT BACK THERE? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SOON.

I JUST YES OR NO.

I MEAN, IT W IT'S IN PROGRESS.

CAUSE WE HAD ASKED TO GET IT UPDATED SURPLUS PROPERTIES, SO THERE'S NO OTHER ADDITIONAL, OKAY.

LET ME GET A COPY OF THAT.

IF I COULD, WHAT THE UPDATES ARE DONE.

NO, NO, NO.

I'VE GOT ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO SAY.

UM, I WANT TO EXTEND MY DEEPEST SYMPATHIES ONCE AGAIN TO THE SAMSON FAMILY.

UM, UH, MS. SAMSON SON EARNEST PASSED AWAY THIS WEEK.

AND I'M SO SORRY.

I MEAN, I THINK MS. SAMSON HAS BEEN THROUGH ENOUGH AS IT IS WITH THE LOSS OF HER HUSBAND AND NOW THE LOSS OF HER SON.

SO JUST PLEASE KEEP THAT FAMILY IN PRAYER.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE, IT'S BEEN A ROUGH TIME FOR THEM SO EARLY IN HER FAMILY, I WAS GOING TO ADD THAT.

OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ON TUESDAY CITY HALL, 6:00 PM, STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING WAS, IS, UM, FOR ALL THAT'S WATCHING, WE HAVE A STANLEY WHITE REC MEETING, OCTOBER 19TH AT 6:00 PM.

HERE.

IT IS

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