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[1. Welcome]
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.I AM THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION AT THE TIME.
AND SINCE TAKING THAT ROLE, I AM.
UH, SO I'M IN THE ROLE OF CHAIR FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, MOST OF YOU, I HAVE NOT MADE IT BEFORE.
UM, SO IF WE COULD GO AROUND AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF SO I CAN PUT A NAME WITH A FACE, I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT TONY JAMES, NICE TO MEET YOU ALL LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
UM, AT THIS TIME, IF MR. WE GOT ONE MORE COMING IN, YOU CAN COME IN RIGHT HERE.
WILL YOU JUST GO THROUGH AND INTRODUCE OUR SLATE? SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, I'M CURIOUS HORN, I'M THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION AND ESTIMATE YOU.
AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA FIGHT HARDER FOR US TONIGHT AS WELL.
FATHER, FATHER, GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LOVE.
WE THANK YOU FOR WAKING US UP THIS MORNING, LOW ASKING YOU TO GO WITH ALL THE FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT HAVE SUCCUMB TO COBIT AND SEVERAL MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY.
AND ALSO WE ASKED HIM TO GO WITH THE SAMSUNG FAMILY AND THEN THE COUSIN, THE SAMSUNG FAMILY, GO WITH THEM, GO WITH THE CITY IN A VERY SPECIAL WAY LAW GO OF THIS FATE AND GO WITH THIS COUNTRY IN A VERY SPECIAL WAY AND LOGO WITH THIS BOARD THAT WE MAY DISCUSS.
AND THEY WILL COME TO SOME CONCLUSION OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO ABOUT STANDING AWAY.
AND YOUR HOLY WRITES HIS NAME.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
LENA, MATT CURTIS STEWARD, PRESENT JAMES WOODS, BUT NON WHITE HERE.
ORIGINAL PENDANT, ELIJAH BROWN HERE, BARBARA LEE A YEAR AND MS. OUTER WOMAN JAMAICA.
[5. Approve Minutes.]
ALL RIGHT.SO I SENT OUT MINUTES FOR REVIEW.
WE HAD THE JANUARY OF 20, 21 MINUTES AND ALSO THE FEBRUARY 20, 21 MINUTES THAT NEEDED TO BE APPROVED.
DID Y'ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE? ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE? I LIKE MAKING A MOTION THAT MY WIFE AND I COULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS GIVEN, BUT NECESSARILY CHANGES.
I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND ALLEN FIBERS.
[6. Meeting Schedule Review.]
I WANT TO DISCUSS THE, UM, MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE.I KNOW, AS OF NOW IT'S SCHEDULED THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH, UM, GOING FORWARD.
UM, OF COURSE, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING WE NEED TO MEET ON AND WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT MEETING.
IS THAT STILL A DAY THAT'S SUITABLE FOR EVERYONE? THIRD, TUESDAY OF THE MONTH, IF NO ONE HAD A PROBLEM WITH HER PAY SERVICE, AIN'T BROKE.
DON'T TRY AND FIX IT AND LEAVE IT.
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LIKE ANYBODY GOT ONE TO MAKE A CHANGE, THEN WE CAN GO ALONG WITH THAT.[7. Update Since Last Meeting.]
SO NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE MR. DAVIS COME UP.HE'S GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, GIVING FOLKS, UM, I THOUGHT I WOULD SWING BY THE SAME NEWS TO CHAT WITH YOU FOR A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO MAYBE HELP GIVE YOU SOME DIRECTION, FIND SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO GOING FORWARD.
IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATES THIS COMMISSION, YOU GOT THE FOUR RESPONSIBILITIES WE'RE NOW DOWN TO POTENTIALLY STILL TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMMING.
TO THE EXTENT YOU WOULD LIKE TO WE'VE GOT POTENTIAL FUNDRAISING, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THOSE IDEAS.
AND THEN WE SIMPLY HAVE COMMUNICATING INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THERE ARE THREE POSSIBLE THINGS YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DO.
UM, TAKING THEM IN, IN, IN, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT MIGHT BE EASIER IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATION.
MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WOULD TO, TO HAVE YOUR STANDING MEETING DATE AND THEN YOUR CHAIR PERSON CAN CIRCULATE AN EMAIL TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHETHER THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOMETHING TO COME TALK ABOUT.
IF THERE'S NO NEWS REPORT, YOU DON'T NEED TO COME AWAY FROM YOUR HOMES AND FAMILIES AND DINNER TO HEAR THERE'S NOTHING TO REPORT.
UM, BUT TO THE EXTENT SOMETHING MEANINGFUL HAS HAPPENED, YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT SO THAT YOU CAN, UM, BE EDUCATED ON IT AND THEN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN ON A MONTH TO MONTH BASIS.
I WILL TELL YOU, IN TERMS OF AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE, UM, AT TUESDAY, THIS UPCOMING TUESDAY NIGHTS BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WILL BE ADOPTING A RESOLUTION TO USE A NEW CONSTRUCTION METHOD, A NEW EFFORT WITH THE HOPES OF EXPEDITING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THE STATUTE WAS AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR WHAT'S CALLED A DESIGN BUILD CONSTRUCTION METHOD.
THE ONE THAT WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IS THE STANDARD ONE WHERE YOU GO HIRE ENGINEERS, THOSE ENGINEERS DRAW UP SOME PLANS.
YOU THEN BID THE PLANS AND THEN CONSTRUCTION STARTS WITH THE DESIGN BID PROCESS.
YOU, YOU SUBMIT WHAT'S CALLED A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.
SO WE SENT OUT INTO THE WORLD A NOTICE OF WHAT THE CITY'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND BUILDING A NEW RECREATION CENTER.
AND THAT SCOPE OF WORK WILL INCLUDE NOT ONLY THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE DESIGN ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING SERVICES ALL IN ONE.
SO YOU'LL FIND ONE FIRM THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO DO EVERYTHING.
ONCE THAT COMPANY IS CHOSEN AND IT'S CHOSEN BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS, NOT BY BIDS, RIGHT? SO ALL OF THOSE COMPANIES THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THINK THEY ARE QUALIFIED AND WANT TO PARTICIPATE, SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION AND RESPONSE TO THAT RFQ.
THEN CITY STAFF GOES THROUGH THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, RANK SOME AND MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN BASED ON THE QUALIFICATIONS.
UM, AT THAT POINT WHEN THE, THE MOST QUALIFIED COMPANY IS CHOSEN, THEN THE CITY NEGOTIATES WITH THAT COMPANY OVER PRICE.
IF THEY CAN'T COME TO COMFORTABLE TERMS ON PRICE, THEY GO TO THE NEXT QUALIFIED BIDDER AND THEY KEEP DOING THAT UNTIL THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PRICE.
WHY WOULD THE CITY GO THROUGH THAT NEW PROCESS? THE ANSWER IS SPEED.
THE EXPERIENCE ACROSS THE STATE AND COUNTRY IS THAT THAT PROCESS CAN KNOCK OFF SIX TO MONTHS OF CONSTRUCTION.
TWO THINGS HAPPEN WHEN YOU REDUCE YOUR CONSTRUCTION TIME, YOU REDUCE YOUR COSTS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH INFLATION OVER THE BACK SIX TO 12 MONTHS OF THAT MATERIAL PRICING.
THAT'S ONE THING THAT HAPPENS.
THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS, PARTICULARLY IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS, YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING THE COMMUNITY WITH MUCH NEEDED SERVICES.
YOU COULD LOSE A WHOLE SCHOOL YEAR OF KIDS THAT DIDN'T GET TO PARTICIPATE IN A NICE BRAND NEW FACILITY.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO TYPICAL REASONS YOU DO AT SPEED AND COST.
UM, THE HOPE AND EXPECTATION IS THAT THE COST OF THIS METHOD WILL NOT EXCEED THE COST.
HAD WE GONE DOWN THE TRADITIONAL PATH, RIGHT? THE OTHER CONCEPTUAL THING THAT WE SEE HAPPEN, AND I THINK IT PROVES ITSELF OUT IN REAL LIFE IS YOU ARE NOT PAYING TWO SEPARATE COMPANIES TO DO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU'RE NOT HIRING AN ARCHITECT AND ENGINEER AND AN, AND AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO DESIGN THE PLANES.
AND THEN YOU'RE GOING AND HIRING A SECOND COMPANY
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TO GO DO THE CONSTRUCTION.BOTH OF THOSE ARE UNDER ONE ROOF.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS ONCE YOU GET YOUR DESIGN SET AND LARGELY THE DESIGN, THE VOLUME OF THIS BUILDING IS LARGELY SET.
THERE ARE THESE, THERE'LL BE SOME DESIGN FEATURES TO CHANGE, BUT LARGELY THAT FACILITY HAS BEEN PLANNING.
SO ONCE THE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS GET THAT FOOTPRINT SATISFACTORY, THEY CAN BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON THE FOOTPRINT WHILE WE MOVE UP THE BUILDING.
SO YOU CAN DESIGN WHILE YOU'RE BUILDING.
THAT'S ONE WAY THEY REDUCE THE COST.
BUT YOU ALSO FIND THAT YOUR DESIGN AND ENGINEERING COSTS COME IN LESS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SITTING IN A ROOM, DREAMING THINGS UP, GOING OUT INTO THE FIELD, CHANGING YOUR MIND, COMING BACK AND REDESIGNING.
THEN GOING BACK IN THE FIELD, YOU DESIGN AND YOU BUILD AS YOU GO, WHICH OFTENTIMES SAVE 20 OR 30% OF YOUR ARCHITECT AND ENGINEERING FEES.
THAT'S MORE MONEY THAT GOES INTO THE PHYSICAL BUILDING, RIGHT? WHERE DEPARTMENT HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THE PROJECT BUDGET.
IT WILL NOT BE ANY LESS THAN THAT.
SO THE GOAL IS TO GET MORE MONEY INTO THE BRICKS AND MORTAR, NOT INTO THE SOFT COSTS.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING TUESDAY EVENING, WEDNESDAY MORNING, THE RFQ IS ALREADY PREPARED.
IT WILL BE READY TO SEND OUT THE QUALIFIED BIDDERS TO THE EXTENT ANYONE HAS REACHED OUT TO YOU AND ANY COMPANIES THAT WOULD BE QUALIFIED, PASS THEM ON TO THE CITY, ALL, UM, CARRY ANYONE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY, PASS THOSE COMPANY NAMES ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE ROBUST LISTS WE HAVE THE BETTER.
UM, SO, SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S THE NEXT BIG MILESTONE NEXT TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY ARE THE BIG MILESTONES.
THERE'LL BE FOUR TO EIGHT WEEKS OF GETTING THOSE RFQ IN GETTING THEM TABULATED.
UM, THAT TABULATION PROCESS IS FAIRLY OBJECTIVE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BASING THESE ON, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW BEAUTIFUL YOUR HEADQUARTERS IS OR HOW CHARMING YOUR PEOPLE ARE.
IT'S BASED ON THE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE COSTS WE'RE LOOKING FOR QUALIFICATIONS? SO THIS IS BASED ON THE MOST QUALIFIED, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT WE LIKED, THE BEST, THE PEOPLE THAT WE THINK MIGHT BE THE LEAST EXPENSIVE.
YOU'RE MEASURING THIS ON OBJECTIVE STANDARDS AND THAT CRITERIA HAS BEEN SET UP ALREADY.
THAT'S A PROCESS THAT THE CITY HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONTRACTS THAT WE USE WHERE YOU'RE BASING IT ON QUALIFICATIONS AND NOT ON PRICE.
AND YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW THAT DOES IN THE END, TEND TO RANK PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, WHICH TENDS TO MIRROR THEIR WORK EXPERIENCE, UM, BATHROOMS, UM, THERE, IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE BOARD OF AUTO MEETINGS, UM, CITIES WORKING WITH FEMA ON, UM, THE, UM, THE BUDGET TO REPLACE THE BATHROOMS AND CHANGING THE SCOPE OF THAT TO FREE UP SOME MORE MONEY THAT MIGHT BE USED ELSEWHERE IN THE PARK.
UM, AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, UM, THE VISION IS NOT JUST TO COMPLETE THIS, THE ONLY WHITE REC CENTER, BUT TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO A RE-IMAGINING OF HENDERSON PARK.
SO THE CITY IS WORKING WITH FEMA TO CHANGE THAT SCOPE OF WORK ON THE BATHROOMS TO GET THE BATHROOMS DONE, BUT ALSO FREE UP SOME EXTRA EXCESS MONEY THAT CAN BE REALLOCATED TO THE PARK.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO BREAK ANY NEWS TONIGHT, BUT, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WATCH NEXT TUESDAY'S BOARD OF A MEETING.
UM, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF NEWS THERE, UM, THAT I'M EXPECTING THE BOARD TO ANNOUNCE WHERE THEY ARE.
I'M HOPING TO JUMPSTART A LITTLE BIT OF FUNDRAISING FOR HENDERSON PARK, UM, WHICH TIES INTO YOUR MISSION.
IF YOU, AS A GROUP, WANT TO TRY TO WORK ON SOME FUNDRAISING, YOU'VE GOT THIS BODY TO DO THAT.
UM, S A LOT OF WORK, IT TAKES A LOT OF PASSION, UM, BUT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR YOU IF YOU WANT TO.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY NOT AN OBLIGATION, UM, BEYOND THAT, UM, GOING FORWARD, I THINK YOUR DECISION FOR YOURSELVES IS WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DO YOU WANT TO DO MORE THAN BE THE RECEIVER OF INFORMATION AND ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN TAKE THAT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN, UM, CARRIE CAN LET YOU KNOW, BY EMAIL GOING FORWARD ON A MONTH TO MONTH BASIS.
WHEN DO WE NEED TO MEET AGAIN TO RECONVENE WITH SOME BREAKING NEWS? I'M SURE ONCE WE HAVE, UM, IDENTIFIED THE QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR, WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO, TO MEET AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, I HAVE HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND THE BOARD WILL DISCUSS THIS IN MORE DETAIL, TUESDAY ABOUT MINORITY PARTICIPATION IN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
UM, TWO BODIES OF LAW APPLIED BACK AT FEDERAL LAWS THAT APPLY, AND YOU'VE GOT CITY, A CITY POLICY THAT APPLIES AS WELL.
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UM, THOSE CONTRACTS REQUIRE GENERALLY A 10% MINORITY PARTICIPATION.WHAT HAPPENS IS THE QUALIFIED COMPANY THAT CAN QUALIFY DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO HIRE SUBCONTRACTORS, TO MEET THEIR WOMEN OWNED ENTERPRISES AND MINORITY OWNERS.
SO THAT CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE THAT OBLIGATION.
THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE VERY ACCUSTOMED TO.
SO THAT, THAT WON'T BE A, A NEW THING FOR THEM TO CONSIDER.
AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT HE LOOKS AT IN CHOOSING THAT, THAT CONTRACTOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A RECORD OF NOT ONLY UNDERSTANDING, BUT COMPLYING WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, I'VE HEARD OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY CAN MANDATE THAT LOCAL CONTRACTORS BEING HIRED, AND I'M GOING TO UPDATE THE LAW ON THAT FOR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
UM, LAST TIME I DID THIS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, IT WASN'T, UM, THERE WAS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY FOR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO MANDATE THAT ITS OWN CITIZENS, OWN RESIDENTS, OWN COMPANIES WERE TREATED PREFERENTIALLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, BUT I'LL UPDATE THAT.
AND THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR DISCUSSION NEXT TO DENYING, APPRECIATE THE ISSUE.
I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE AND BY ALL MEANS, WE DO WANT TO KEEP OUR MONEY LOCALLY, WHENEVER WE CAME HERE.
AND TO THAT EXTENT, TO THE EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, SUBCONTRACTORS, UM, THAT WOULD BE QUALIFIED TO PARTICIPATE, THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY WE CAN PASS ON TO THE DESIGN BUILD COMPANY, AS THEY LOOK TO ROUND OUT THEIR LIST OF SUBCONTRACTORS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT QUESTIONS.
OH, MY QUESTION WOULD, WOULD BE, UM, IF YOU GET A CONTRACTOR AND YOU INSTITUTE MINORITIES OR LOCAL OR WHATEVER, HOW CAN YOU MAKE THAT COMPANY HONEST? WHAT CAN YOU INSTALL IN THAT AMENDMENT? UM, BECAUSE, UH, THE REASON THE QUESTION I'M ASKING AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS WE ASK THOSE SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT AN INNOVATIVE STAND OF WHITE, AND THEY DID SAY THAT THEY HAD TO OKAY.
SO IF, IF, IF THAT IS A LAW SURE.
ALL LOCAL AND, UH, FEDERAL, FEDERAL LAW.
HOW CAN WE, WE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT HAPPEN? YEAH, LET'S DO THIS I'M AND I APPRECIATE, YOU MENTIONED THAT QUESTION.
UM, LET'S TALK TO OUR FEMA CONSULTANT, UM, MY BEST GUESS, AND WE'RE ALL ENTITLED TO THE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT MY BEST GUESS IS FEMA IS GOING TO REQUIRE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT.
THIS PATIENT FEMA IS NOT GOING TO ACCEPT.
WE TRIED HARD AND WE DID IT TRUST US.
UM, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE ALL DESERVE TO SEE THE PAPERWORK TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
LET'S KEEP THAT ONE GOING, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA FORGET THAT, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT I GIVE YOU AN ANSWER ON THAT SO THAT I REMEMBER TO FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE SEE THE PAPERWORK TO ENSURE THAT'S HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
AND BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET TO THE END AND IT'S, CAN'T BE CORRECTED.
I THINK I HAVE VERY LITTLE BROTHER, BRIAN.
I THINK WE'VE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND AR IS ABOUT KEEPING MONEY IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH AND CRAVEN COUNTY, BUT GIVING PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK CAN USE THEIR SKILLS.
AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY'VE BEEN OVERLOOKED, SHUT OFF.
SOME CONTRACTOR COME IN, HE BRINGS HIS OWN CREW.
HE MIGHT BRING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MINORITY, BUT THEY'RE NOT FROM HERE THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GROWING OFF OF.
AND, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO, UM, FOR TUESDAY NIGHTS, BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME, SHARE SOME THOUGHTS WITH THE BOARD OF BALTIMORE ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I GOT TO UPDATE THE LAW.
AND THAT, AGAIN, LAST TIME I CHECKED, THERE WAS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO ALLOW FOR THAT TO MANDATE THAT NEWBURN CITIZENS OR COMPANIES HAD A PREFERENTIAL RIGHT.
BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL HAVE AN OFFICIAL ANSWER BY TUESDAY ON THAT, FOR SURE.
UH, I GUESS MY COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ARE, SO YOU SAID ORIGINALLY, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THE RFQ WAS COMPLETED AND IT WAS ALREADY DISPERSED, OR YOU SAID THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN TESTED AND COMPLETED.
IT CANNOT BE SENT OUT TILL WEDNESDAY MORNING.
I WANT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO ADOPT THE CRITERIA.
AND THEN WHO, UH, WHO ARE THE CITY STAFF THAT EVALUATE DARK CUES THAT COME IN? WHO ARE THOSE FOLKS? I DON'T KNOW.
WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET THAT LIST TOO.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
IS THAT, IS THAT GOING TO BE ANSWERED ON TUESDAY? WE'LL GET A REPORT THEN.
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YEAH.WOULD YOU SAY IS THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND MAYBE REALLY IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF BALTIMORE.
THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WILL ULTIMATELY LET THE CONTRACT.
UM, BUT TH THE COMPILATION, I CAN TELL YOU, THE LAST FEW PROJECTS HAVE BEEN DONE WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, UM, CITY MANAGER, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION GOES TO THE BOARD OF BALLROOM, BUT I CAN'T, I CAN'T TELL YOU, IT WAS AT EVERY LAST DEPARTMENT HEAD OR NOT.
I KNOW IT'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ENGINEERING CITY MANAGER HISTORICALLY HAS DONE THAT WORK.
SO, UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROMISES MADE TO C P AND L THEY ARE DESIGNED AND ENGINEER COMPANY, AND THEY OBVIOUSLY DESIGNED THIS, UH, BUILDING.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW ANOTHER WAY TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT HAVE THERE BEEN ANY BACKDOOR DEALS TO SAY, HEY, BEING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE APPROACH IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
SO THESE GUYS HAVE DESIGNED THIS BUILDING ALREADY, AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE AN ENGINEERING COMPANY.
SO HAS IT BEEN SOME CONVERSATION WHERE IF YOU GUYS HAVE A DESIGN CONTRACTOR FOR DESIGN BUILD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH CP AND L NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT, BUT, BUT I WOULDN'T BE, HONESTLY, I, LOT OF FOLKS THINK THAT AS A CITY ATTORNEY, I'M IN EVERY SINGLE MEETING OF EVERY PUBLIC OFFICIAL AND EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE THERE IS, AND THE TRUTH IS I'M NOT.
SO IS THERE ANY CONTRACT OR AGREEMENT WITH THEM AS REGARDS TO THAT? NO.
THERE LEGALLY CANNOT BE IN, THERE'S NO WRITTEN AGREEMENT.
UM, WHETHER SOMEONE THINKS THAT BELIEVES THAT ONCE THAT I HAVE NO IDEA, CERTAINLY NOT IN MY PRESENCE.
UM, MY ONLY KIND OF THAT COMPANY WITH THOSE PEOPLE THAT DID THE PRESENTATIONS WITH YOU, THE CONSULTING COMPANY, MY CONTRACT WITH THAT COMPANY WAS MY ONE EVENING YEAR WITH THEM.
OTHERWISE I'VE NEVER DEALT WITH THEM BEFORE.
UM, BUT LEGALLY, THIS IS A REAL RFQ, RIGHT? THIS IS, WE'RE NOT PRETENDING THIS IS A REAL LEGAL PROCESS.
UM, HOWEVER, IF THAT'S THE BUSINESS THEY ARE IN AND THEY WON THE FIRST ROUND, IT SUGGESTS THAT THEY ARE QUALIFIED.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT CONTRACTORS THOUGH.
THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE ENGINEERS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ARCHITECTS.
THEY'RE NOT, AND THEY WOULDN'T BE QUALIFIED IF THEY, YEAH.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A DESIGN BUILD COMPANY.
I'M SAYING THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER THIS DESIGN ALREADY.
SO I'M JUST SAYING, OBVIOUSLY IT MAKES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A CONTRACTOR WANTS TO WORK WITH THEM.
MAYBE THEY DON'T, THEY ALREADY HAVE OBVIOUSLY THEIR INTERNAL SITUATION ALREADY.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION.
UM, AND SO THEN YOU MENTIONED FUNDRAISING, WHAT WAS THE FUNDRAISING COMPONENT THAT SHE WAS SPEAKING OF? AS FAR AS, AND THE RESOLUTION THAT CREATED THIS COMMISSION, THAT THERE WERE FOUR, FOUR, UM, AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE COMMISSION COULD, COULD DEAL WITH.
ONE OF THOSE WAS, UM, FINDING MORE RESOURCES TO PUT INTO THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE BOTH THE CENTER AND THE PARK CAMPUS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE NOT DUTIES AND OBLIGATIONS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD TAKE UP.
YOU HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO TAKE THAT UP IF YOU WANT TO GOT IT.
SO AS FAR AS THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, THOSE COMPANIES THAT ARE SUBMITTING, WE WILL NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS, OR EVEN LOOKING AT THAT, OR KNOW WHO THOSE COMPANIES ARE, ALL THAT WE'LL GO TO THE CITY, OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY, AS I'M HEARING YOU KIND OF FRAME AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS GROUP? MOVING FORWARD IS PROGRAMMING FUNDRAISING.
AND WHAT WOULD BE THE THIRD PIECE OF THAT TO ME, COMMUNICATING INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN YOU MENTIONED TOM, AND WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE ONCE YOU GUYS HAVE PICKED, UH, AFFIRM THAT THE GROUND? YEAH.
AND RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GUESSING UNTIL WE HIRE SOMEONE WHO CAN REALLY TELL US, WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
WE ARE, WE ARE EXPECTING AN 18 MONTH CONSTRUCTION PERIOD GIVE OR TAKE.
THAT IS OUR HOPE BASED ON PROJECTS OF SIMILAR SIZES ACROSS THE STATE.
WE ARE HOPING TO MOBILIZE WITHIN SIX TO SIX TO 10 WEEKS TO HAVE THAT COMPANY IDENTIFIED AND MOBILIZED, UM, WITH A GROUNDBREAKING, UM, IN, IN 90 DAYS.
THAT'S THE HOPE I CAN TELL YOU, UM, ANY WEEK NOW AT EACH SITE WILL BE PREPPED.
THE CANT SANDWICH SHOP IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED, AND THAT SITE CLEANED UP THE GASTON BOULEVARD HOUSE.
WE CALL IT THE LITTLE BRICK BUILDING BEHIND THE BLACK SWAN ON BROAD STREET.
REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE MOVING BACK ANY WEEK NOW.
AND THE CITY IS PUTTING OUT AN RF P FOR THE BLACK SWAN TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BID TO MOVE IT.
AND WE'RE GIVING FOLKS TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO JUST TO PITCH US BIDS, TO MOVE THAT HOUSE AND TAKE IT AWAY.
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SO PASS THE WORD.SOMEBODY IS THE SPIRE TO MOVE THAT HOUSE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I'M GUESSING IT'LL BE A VERY, VERY LOW BID THAT WINS.
IF ANYTHING, IF NOT, THE CITY WILL DEMOLISH THAT AS WELL.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE THAT SITE CLEARED AND PREPPED IN THE NEXT 60 TO 90 DAYS.
MY LAST QUESTION IS ONCE THE RFQ, UH, IS RELEASED, WHICH IS NEXT WEDNESDAY, YOU'RE SAYING WITHIN A FOUR TO SIX WEEK TIMEFRAME, YOU GUYS HOPE TO HAVE SUBMISSIONS AND BE ABLE TO PICK THAT EXACT CONTRACT.
MA'AM UM, BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE RFQ PROCESS, UM, AND THIS PROCESS, HOW DO WE MITIGATE THE SAME COMPANY WHO'S RECEIVING THE CONTRACTS ID? UM, IF WE'RE GOING BY THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A GREAT PROCESS AS WELL.
THERE ARE COMPANIES WHO CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES WHO QUITE POSSIBLY MAY HAVE NEVER GOTTEN THE OPPORTUNITY OR AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES AS SOME OTHERS.
SO HOW DO WE, IN ESSENCE FIGHT THE POSSIBILITY OF A COMPANY RECEIVED THE SAME COMPANY, RECEIVING CONTRACTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY APPEAR MOST QUALIFIED BECAUSE THEY GET THE MOST OPPORTUNITY.
NO, AND I, IT'S A SELF FULFILLING PROPHECY, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT.
AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
THE LAW REQUIRES THAT YOU CHOOSE BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS AND THAT'S A STATE STATUTE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A GOAL OR ASPIRATION OR A POLICY THAT WE'VE ADOPTED OURSELVES.
IT'S CALLED THE MINI BROOKS ACT, APPLIES TO ARCHITECTS, DESIGNERS, SURVEYORS, ET CETERA, ANY KIND OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, I CALL IT A BEAUTY CONTEST.
AND, AND THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH, BUT I'VE ALWAYS HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
HOW, IF YOU'VE NEVER WON THE PAGEANT, HOW'D YOU EVER WIN THE PAGEANT.
UM, AND I, I SIMPLY DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER TO THAT.
MY ONLY HOPE IS IN REAL LIFE, THOSE PARTICIPANTS GET TO PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING.
THEY START SMALL AND WORK THEIR WAY UP THROUGH QUALIFICATIONS.
THAT'S MY HOPE, BUT I DO WORRY THAT PEOPLE NEVER EVER GET THE CHANCE.
A SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, WITH THE UNCERTAINTY AND THE BREAKS IN OUR SUPPLY CHAINS.
HOW CAN WE GUARANTEE THAT THIS PROCESS IS FASTER THAN ANY OTHER PROCESS CONSIDERING SUPPLIES WILL BE AN ISSUE GOING THROUGH? YEAH.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I, I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE IS THAT BY EXPEDITING THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION, WE WILL SAVE TIME IN THAT CATEGORY.
HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THREE TO SIX MONTHS FOR STEEL TO SHOW UP, WE'VE LOST TRACTION.
AND COULD THAT HAVE BEEN MADE UP IF WE'D GONE THE TRADITIONAL ROUTE? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
I THINK THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN IS INCLINED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE IT GOES AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, RECOGNIZING THAT REAL LIFE MAY CONTROL THE ANSWER.
AND IT MAY NOT TURN OUT THAT WAY AND HOPEFULLY AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE.
MY THIRD QUESTION IS WHEN WE DO FINALLY GET A COMPANY THAT IS GOING TO BUILD OUR BUILDING, UM, IS THERE A POSSIBLE WAY FOR THIS OR THAT OUR GROUP TO FACILITATE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC MEET, MEET AND GREET? I DON'T KNOW, THE CITY OFFICIALS OR THE COMMUNITY, JUST SO THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TELL THEM HOW MUCH THIS BUILDING MEANS TO THEM, BECAUSE THEY MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORY OF IT.
AND, UM, WHAT IT WOULD MEAN FOR THEM TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO IN THAT COMMUNITY ACTUALLY HELPED BUILD THAT BUILDING MY OWN 2 CENTS.
AND I'M, I'M NOT THE KING OF ANYTHING, BUT MY OWN 2 CENTS WOULD BE THAT IF I WERE THE COMPANY, UM, THAT WAS CHOSEN, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY WANT TO DO THAT.
AND I WOULD EXPECT THE BOARD TO ENCOURAGE THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, NO PROMISES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A PROCESS, UM, THAT MY FAMILY IS INVOLVED IN, IN NEW YORK THAT HAS COMPLIANCE OFFICERS ACTUALLY GO AROUND TO CONSTRUCTION SITES AND ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF MINORITIES ON THAT CONSTRUCTION SITE IN A PART OF THAT CONTRACT.
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY GOING FORWARD FOR SOMEONE OR SOME ENTITY TO HAVE COMPLIANCE? YEAH, LET'S ASK.
UM, AND THAT'S, UM, I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT I DELIVER YOU AN ANSWER ON THAT.
MY HOPE WOULD BE THE ANSWER IS THAT IS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND THAT'S BUILT INTO THE COMPLIANCES, BUT THEN THE BUDGET, BUT THAT'S, LET'S MAKE SURE, OBVIOUSLY I CAN TELL YOU, THE CITY HAS ITS OWN SAFETY OFFICER THAT IS THAT RANDOMLY PICKED SITES, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A FULL-TIME JOB.
UM, BUT THAT PERSON DOES NOT DO THE MINORITY WOMEN PIECE OF THIS, BUT I WOULD EXPECT AND HOPE WITH THE FEDERAL FEMA CONTRACT, THAT THAT IS A CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENT THAT YOU'VE DOCUMENT AND
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VERIFY THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.BUT, UM, BUT KEEP YOUR MIND HERE THIS, BECAUSE WE ALL DESERVE AN ANSWER ON THAT ONE.
I WANT MY QUESTION BASED ON WHAT SOMETHING SHE'S JUST SAID.
SO WHO ARE THE, THE, THE CHOSEN COMPANIES IN THIS AREA THAT GENERALLY GET THOSE TYPES OF BEDS OR HAVE THOSE QUALIFICATIONS? I SIMPLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I EXPECT STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER A MASTER LIST, UM, FROM JUST GOING OUT IN THE WORLD TYPICALLY TO START WITH WHO'S BUILT WHAT, IN NORTH CAROLINA OR THE SOUTHEAST, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW CITIES THAT HAVE BUILT REC CENTERS AND WE WORK BACKWARD, WHO DID IT, YOU HAPPY WITH IT, HOW TO GO.
AND WE COMPILE A LIST OF NAMES.
THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED TO YOU, IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE ANY NAMES THAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE ADDING TO THE LIST BETWEEN NOW AND TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, LET SOMEONE KNOW.
WELL, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE PREMATURE IF YOU HAVEN'T RELEASED RFQ THOUGH.
NO, BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE RELEASED, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE SENT TO PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY AS WELL.
I MEAN, IT'S AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S ALSO SENT OUT TO PEOPLE THAT WE ALREADY KNOW HAVE CALLED AND ASKED INQUIRED ABOUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, DESIGN BUILD COULD REQUEST THAT RF SHOULD BE SENT DIRECTLY TO THEM.
WE, YEAH, THE THEORY IS IF WE JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT ON OUR LITTLE WEBSITE, NO ONE CALLS, SO YOU BLACK, YOU SEND IT OUT TO THE WORLD TO ENGINEERS, YOU SEND IT TO EVERYONE AND HOPING THAT SOMEONE GETS SOME TRACTION WITH IT.
SO, UH, AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO HARM IN THAT FOR SURE.
SCOTT, I HAVE JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT CURTIS MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT CP AND L AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY TOLD US ABOUT A BUILDING ACTUALLY A REC CENTER THEY DID IN GARNER OR SOMEWHERE IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE STATE.
HOW LONG HAS THIS LAW BEEN ON THE BOOKS THAT YOU'RE TELLING US ABOUT WORK DESIGN-BUILD YES, 2014, THAT BEING IN MIND, I BELIEVE THEY BUILT THAT BUILDING.
THEY SHOWED US IT WAS 18 20 18.
THEY DID A BUILD ON A REC CENTER.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY CURTIS ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT CPL.
UM, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A DESIGN BUILD PROJECT DESIGN BUILD PROJECTS ARE MUCH MORE RARE THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL DESIGN BID CONSTRUCT.
I CAN SAY THE GREEN, NOT THE NORM, IT'S THE, IT GETS ON THE BOOKS.
IT'S ON THE BOOKS TO USE, BUT IT'S NOT.
YOU COULD USE THIS, THIS, THAT THE LEGISLATURE WANTS TO GIVE THAT TOOL TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR UNIQUE SITUATIONS.
AND OUR, AND THIS WOULD, IN MY VIEW, QUALIFY AS A UNIQUE SITUATION.
WE'VE GOT KIDS AND FAMILIES WHO HAVE BEEN DISPLACED FROM THEIR RECREATIONAL SERVICES FOR YEARS NOW.
AND, AND WITH YOUNG PEOPLE EVERY YEAR MATTERS IN MY VIEW HAPPENING IF, SAY BY JUST HAPPENSTANCE THAT WE GET NO ONE TO MEET THOSE QUALITY.
WE'RE BACK TO WHERE THEN BACK TO DOING AN RFQ FOR ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, TO PICK THAT THE BEAUTY CONTEST WITH THE VACCINE TO THEN GO THROUGH THE DESIGN ARCHITECT PIECE, WHICH HAS LARGELY BEEN DONE AND VISUALIZED.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT WOULDN'T BE TOO BURDENSOME, BUT STILL THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS SUBJECT TO THAT COMPANY AND COVID AND ALL THAT.
AND THEN THE NEXT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION WE HAVE THE ONLY OTHER DESIGN BUILD THAT I KNOW OF.
UM, AND I'M SURE THERE ARE PLENTY MORE, BUT I JUST HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT, UH, GREENVILLE CONVENTION CENTER USE THIS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
WHAT ABOUT ON THE PARK WRINKLE? JUST OPENED UP THIS WEEKEND? I JUST DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T MEAN TO SAY THAT IT IS IS RARE.
I'VE NEVER USED IT, BUT THE PERCENTAGE OF, OF IT COMPARED TO THE TRADITIONAL IS MUCH, MUCH SMALLER.
COUPLE OF THINGS I GET ADD TO THIS.
I THINK I HEARD MR. CURTIS SAY SOMETHING ABOUT INSPECTION, WHATEVER IT IS.
WELL, I'M GONNA GO BACK AND WE'LL TELL YOU BACK WHEN IT FIRST BUILT STANDARD WHITE, THE HEAD, UH, I WAS WITH THIS MAN NAMED MR. VALLES, MS. SPLIT BELLS WAS COMMUNITY PERSON, NAACP AND EVERYTHING.
CAN YOU SAY BERNAM AND WHAT CAN WE GO WITH ME? I SAID, WHERE ARE YOU GOING THERE? I'M GOING OVER HERE AND LOOK THE STANDARD WAY.
SO HE TOOK THE PRINTS AND HE LOOKED AT STANDARD WHITE.
WE WALKED ON THROUGH TO THE PART OF THE JAIL.
SHE SAID THAT, I THINK FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS ON THAT, HE CAME BACK LATER ON AND TOLD ME, HE SAID, COME ON, LET'S GO TO WEST NEWPORT.
HE FOUND SOME POINTS OVER THERE AND WASN'T ACCORDING TO A PRINT.
HE SAID, WELL, I GUESS WE CAN GO HOME
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NOW.SO HE WENT HOME AND HE SENT A LETTER TO, I THINK THE STATE SENT A LADY UP THERE.
AND TWO WEEKS LATER, TWO GENTLEMEN CAME DOWN, THEY MADE IT WEST NEWBURN TAT OUT HERE, EVERYTHING THAT WASN'T ACCORDING TO THEIR PLAN.
SO, UM, WOUND OR HOW IT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY OTHER THAN THE CITY PERSON, THEY GO AROUND LOOKING AND CHECK-IN RIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE CRAMPS, YOU KNOW, WHY, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? THEY CALL IT, IT WAS GOING TO BUILD IT FAR.
WE'VE JUST BUILDING THAT AND NOT BUILDING THEIR OWN.
WOULD'VE NEVER KNOWN WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW, BUT BOTH OF THEM HAD TO BE BUILT THE SAME.
NO, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T TAKE ON CONSIDERATION.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, BACK THEN IT HAD JUST MANY PEOPLE OF COLOR WORKING ON THAT BUILDING, BUILDING THAT, BUILDING THE BUILDING.
BASICALLY BUILT BY WHITE PEOPLE.
WELL, TUESDAY NIGHT TUNE IN TUESDAY AND WE'LL HAVE A MUCH DEEPER DISCUSSION ON THESE ISSUES.
UM, BY THEN I'LL HAVE SOME OF THESE ANSWERS, CAUSE I'M SURE THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WILL WANT TO KNOW SOME OF THE SAME THINGS.
SO A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED THEN, AND WE'LL HAVE MORE DETAIL ON THE WOMEN AND THE MINORITY ENTERPRISE PARTICIPATION AS WELL.
THE OTHER THING NOT TO LOSE TRACK OF, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT AN $8 MILLION CONTRACT, BUT TO THE EXTENT, UM, THE CITY WOULD HIRE AND CONTRACT OUT, WORK FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS.
THOSE ARE SMALLER CONTRACTS CONTRACT WITH THE CITY HAS A LOT MORE CONTROL OVER AND CAN DO PRIVATE VISITS.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER, UM, THE WORK AND WHO GETS THE WORK.
WE GOOD? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S FOR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN OR FOR YOU BEING AN ATTORNEY.
YOU MAY KNOW, I'VE, I'VE REQUESTED NUMEROUS OF TIMES.
UH, WHEN I STOOD UP AND SPOKE, UH, DURING THE ALTIMA MEETINGS, UH, BECAUSE I SIT AND LISTEN AT HOW WELL THE CITY GRANT WRITER DOES FOR THE CITY OF NEWARK STAND AWAY.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO SIT IN NEWBURN.
AND I REQUESTED OVER AND OVER FOR THIS GRANT WRITER THAT GETS THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR OTHER THINGS IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PARK AND REC EXTENDING THE WHITE, IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO TO TALK TO WHAT I NEED TO DO.
I NEED TO SPEAK TO YOU OR WHO I'M HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CARRIE, AND I WILL LOOK INTO THIS AND, UH, AND GET YOU SOME ANSWERS ON THAT.
UM, AND THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR GRANT WRITING IS, YOU KNOW, WHO STEERS THAT, UM, AND IS IT A FUNCTION OF JUST THE POTS OF MONEY? I KNOW IN MANY CASES, THOSE POTS OF MONEY ARE, ARE EARMARKED FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS.
HOWEVER, I ALSO KNOW THAT PARKS AND REC IS GENERALLY ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, FUNDERS LIKE TO FUND.
UM, AND IT MAY WELL BE THAT IF WE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, SOME, A CLEARER PICTURE ON THE REVITALIZATION OF HENDERSON PARK, YOU KNOW, A RE-IMAGINING OF THAT PARK, THERE'S BEEN GREAT IDEAS, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE, UH, AND USING IT FOR BASKETBALL, LIGHTING IT, I'VE HEARD IDEAS OF DOING A LARGE COVERED SHELTER.
UM, SORT OF THE BATHROOMS ARE ON GO.
UM, I KNOW CROWNING THE FIELD IS A, IS A REAL ISSUE TO GET IT TO DRAIN.
UM, AND I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN PLANS FOR THESE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IS, IS THAT EVERYONE'S FINAL ANSWER, THE BEST ANSWER, UM, IN LIGHT OF RECENT EVENTS.
UM, BUT IF WE HAD A PLAN THAT WE'VE ALL HAD, THAT WE'VE ALL BOUGHT INTO, UM, THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO OUT AND RAISE MONEY, BOTH IN JUST PURE PRIVATE FUNDRAISING, AS WELL AS GRANTS.
AND WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THE FUNDRAISING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT TUESDAY IS A LOT OF THOSE GRANTS ARE MATCHING FUNDS.
SO IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT A POT OF MONEY AT 20, 30, $50,000 TO GO MATCH A GRANT, START DOUBLING YOUR MONEY, GETS EXCITING, VERY FAST.
AND WE OFTEN WRITE GRANTS WITH THE IN PARKS AND RECREATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING COMES AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN RESEARCH.
DO YOU KNOW DINO CARE, D DO YOU, UM, IN THAT DEPARTMENT, IS THERE A SPECIFIC PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR GRANTS THERE'S GRANTS AVAILABLE THAT WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY PARTICULARLY WORKED FOR
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A SPECIFIC PROJECT, WE GO AFTER THOSE GRANTS, OF COURSE, WITH PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, YOU KNOW, UM, AND IF WE SEE SOMETHING COME ACROSS, BECAUSE WE OFTEN WILL RECEIVE THINGS FROM, UM, IN RPA OR NCR RPA ON UPCOMING GRANTS, AND IF WE SEE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP US, THEN WE DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT.UM, DO YOU DO THAT IN-HOUSE OR DOES, UM, UM, I CAN SEE YOUR FACE CAN'T THINK OF HER NAME, SHIELDS, MARK SHIELDS.
DOES SHE DRAFT THOSE AND YOU GUYS DO IT THE LAST COUPLE OF GRANTS WE'VE RECEIVED FOSTER AND I HAVE EVER SAW POSSIBLE FOR FACILITATING THOSE.
CAN YOU DO THIS AND, UH, AND FORGIVE ME FOR GIVING YOU HOMEWORK, BUT, BUT, UM, WHENEVER WE MEET AGAIN NEXT, COULD YOU HAVE LIKE A LITTLE CHEAT SHEET OF THE LAST COUPLE OF GRANTS THAT YOU APPLIED FOR AND MAYBE THE LAST COUPLE THAT HE HAD RECEIVED AND THE AMOUNTS, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE SOME CONTEXT FOR THAT.
IF, IF THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE UP SOME FUNDRAISING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND AND ELSA TO, IF YOU HAVE ANY FORECAST OF WHAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE COMING UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
YES, MA'AM,
CONTINUE TO HONOR THAT
WELL, THAT THE MONEY THAT WOULD, THAT THE MONEY THAT WAS RECEIVED FOR THAT WAS THE LWCF GRANT I BELIEVE, OR EITHER PART IS.
AND THAT MEANS THAT THE PARK HAS TO REMAIN IN PERPETUITY FOR A PARK IT REMINDS ME OF HENDERSON.
BUT THE OBLIGATION, I DON'T, I THINK THE OBLIGATION WAS TO THE DIRT, NOT TO THE BUILDER.
SO THE OBLIGATION STAYS WITH THE DIRT.
I'M NOT READY IN REGARDS TO THAT, FOR THAT PART OF GRANTED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE WHEN MARK WAS HERE, IT WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, AND I NEVER HEARD SURE, IN A SUGGESTION JUST TO STASH, YOU KNOW, GREENVILLE JUST OPEN UP THAT BEAUTIFUL PARK AND I KNOW THE CITY DIDN'T PAY FOR IT.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL TO DO.
I THINK WE SHOULD KIND OF TAP INTO THOSE RESOURCES BECAUSE WHEN I SEEN IS KIND OF WHAT I ENVISION FOR HENDERSON PARK, WHAT THEY'VE DONE, THE SHELTER THAT THEY HAVE IS THE SHELTER THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT WAS, I KNOW IT WAS AT LEAST A HUNDRED BY A HUNDRED AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.
I'VE BEEN INTO THAT VISION FOR A LONG TIME, TOO.
IT'S IT DEALS WITH THE FLOOD ISSUES, OUR WALLS TO WORRY ABOUT.
UM, IT CAN SERVE AS A FARMER'S MARKET, A, UM, UH, BEER AREA GATHERING AREA.
IT CAN SERVE A LOT OF PURPOSES, UM, AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY, WEEK, AND MONTH.
AND I BELIEVE THEY DID IT BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN, THAT PARK IS UNDER THE SAME FLOOD, PLAIN, AS WE ARE.
I TRULY BELIEVE I'M NOT POSITIVE ON THAT, THAT AREA FLOODS ALIVE, BUT BY THEM BUILDING THAT SHELTER, LIKE THEY DID, IT KIND OF FITS IN THEIR CRITERIA THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY WALLS WHATSOEVER.
WHAT I HAVE BEEN ENVISIONING FOR THAT CONCRETE SLAB.
WHEN'S THE LAST TIME THAT PLAN WAS DUSTED OFF? UM, I, I SAW IT SIX MONTHS AGO, BUT I WAS ALWAYS CURIOUS, HOW OLD IS THAT CURRENT DESIGN? 20.
NOW IS THAT THE ONE I HAVE TO ADD? IT'S GOT THE AMPHITHEATER.
THAT SOUNDED LIKE PLAYING, THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE A PART OF IT IS THE VETERANS GARDEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE NO LONGER LOCATED.
HAS THIS GROUP SEEN THAT PLAN AND Y'ALL SEEN THE PLAN.
LET'S NEXT AGENDA, KIND OF THE PLAN, CIRCUIT PLAN FIANCE.
UM, IT'S BEEN FLOATING AROUND FOR AWHILE, LIKE I SAY, I'VE SEEN IT.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU SHOULD SEE IT,
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ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO RAISE THE PHONES.WELL, I GUESS, UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS ONE OF THE FOCUS POINTS
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OF THE GROUP WAS HENDERSON PARK AS WELL.UH, AND IF I RECALL THERE WAS A, UM, A WHOLE ROW, ONE TIME IN REGARDS TO PUTTING THE STREET THROUGH, UH, HENDERSON PARK.
AND I BELIEVE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE WAS AN EMAIL FROM FOSTER WHO MENTIONED THAT AT THAT POINT, THAT LANG HAD TO BE DESIGNATED AS A PARK.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS UPON THAT CONVERSATION THAT CAME OUT AND WHEN I MEET IS THAT STANLEY WHITE WAS THAT, UM, ONE OF THE FOCUS POINTS OF THIS GROUP WAS HENDERSON PARK.
AND THE AMENITIES OUT THERE, THE THREE THINGS THAT I HEARD, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE WERE FOCUSING ON WAS FUNDRAISING AND PROGRAMMING AND INCONVENIENT, THE COMMUNITY INFORMATION.
WOULD IT NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO THINK THAT HENDERSON PARK IS A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL? YES, SIR.
I ADMIT TO SAY THAT MORE CLEARLY IN THE BEGINNING, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE NEWS AND THE WEST CENTER AND HARRISON PARK, WE VIEW IT AS ONE CAMPUS, THAT WOULD BE A CONNECTED ONE, ONE LARGE FACILITY, UH VENETIA'S POINT W OR I GUESS, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT SHE SAID, AND THEN WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE UNDERSTANDING WAS WAS THAT THIS WAS ONE CAMPUS THAT LAND THERE WAS ATTACHED TO THIS BUILDING BASED ON THE CAMPUS THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO CREATE.
BUT THE LEGAL QUESTION THOUGH, WAS WHEN THAT PART OF GRANT WAS MADE BACK IN THE DAY, HENDERSON PARK WAS HENDERSON PARK AND GRANTS.
THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE ACCOMPLISHED COVENANTS.
THEY RUN WITH THE LAND, MEANING IT'S RECORDED AT THE REGISTRY AND IT WILL EXIST FOR THE TERM OF THAT COVENANT ON THAT BLANK, NOT LAND THAT GROWS OR LAND TO ADD TO IT, BUT THAT LAND AND THAT LAND MUST BE USED FOR A PART, WHICH IS PART OF THE CAMPUS KIND OF CONCEPT TO THE BUILDING AT THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.
BUT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE CONNECTED DOESN'T MEAN THAT, THAT COVENANT NOW GROWS INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THAT, YEAH, BECAUSE AT WHAT POINT DOES, SO THAT EXPIRED IN 10 YEARS WHEN YOU PUT THAT FACILITY OR DOES THAT MEAN THAT PROPERTY NOW, ESSENTIALLY THAT PROPERTY COULD BE USED FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
EVERY PARK CAN BE USED FOR THE PURPOSE.
WELL, NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, BUT BASED ON THAT, I GUESS IT WAS 50 YEARS.
I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE TIME FROM, I REMEMBER FOSTERS WHEN I WAS FOR SOME TIME.
I GUESS THAT JUST A WHOLE NOTHER POINT THAT SHE BRINGS UP IS, SO I GUESS THE CONCERN WOULD BE IS THAT AREA ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PARK THAT'S ATTACHED TO THAT.
I'VE HAD THAT QUESTION OVER THE, OVER THE COURSE OF MY ENTIRE CAREER.
AND THE ANSWER IS EVERY PARK IS LAND OWNED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THE CITY THAT THE CITY CAN SELL OR DO AWAY WITH ANYTIME IT WANTS WHAT I RECOMMEND TO OVERCOME THAT ISSUE BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THEIR PARKS HAVE THOSE FEELINGS IN THEIR HEART.
AND I ALWAYS TELL THEM THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO POLITICALLY TO KEEP A PARK APART IS GIVE IT A NAME BECAUSE IT IS REALLY HARD TO TAKE AWAY SOME LAND.
IF IT'S JUST THE SO-AND-SO FEELER OLD MAN JOHNSON'S FIELD, IT MAY BE A CITY PARK, BUT WE ARE LESS CONNECTED TO IT THAN WHEN WE DEDICATED AND GIVE IT A NAME.
BUT THE ACTUAL DEDICATION FEELS LIKE IT'S SOME LEGAL THING THAT TIES IT UP FOREVER.
IT'S NOT, IT JUST DEDICATES IT TO HAVE THAT NAME DURING THE TIME OF MOFFITT SCALE, MARK CAME AND HE RAN TO US ABOUT STANDING WHITE.
YOU ALSO SAID IN THE PAPER THAT YOU READ, UH, I WOULD SAY GUIDELINES FOR SCANNING WHITE.
THEY SAID THAT A ROLE, CAN HE READ IT OUT LOUD? HE SAID AT ROLE WOULD NEVER BE PUT THROUGH TO THAT RECREATION AREA.
AND WE USED TO GO OUT AND TRAIN OUR KIDS PLAY OUT THERE BEFORE THEY BUILT KIND OF LIKE HOW WE WERE JUST CALL IT IN TO SOME PARK.
WE CALL IT WHOLE THING, HIM, SOME PUMP, AND THEY DECIDED TO PUT THE STANDARD WHITE THERE.
EVERYBODY'S STILL SAY STANDING IN WHITE, BUT STANDARD.
WHY WAS JUST AT THE FRONT AND THE REST BEHIND GOING ON, ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, GOING BACK, WE CALL THAT INNOCENT PASTA.
SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN TWO DIFFERENT AVENUES.
UH, MOST PEOPLE IN THE WEST NEWPORT DOESN'T KNOW THAT TWO DIFFERENT AVENUES OVER THERE.
RIGHT? THEY DON'T KNOW IT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE KEY THING
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AS A HALDEMAN WHEN THINGS CHANGE EVERY FOUR YEARS OR WHATEVER IT IS.BUT WHEN WE FIRST CAME IN, THERE WAS A ROW OF GRANT BOOK IN GRANT BOOK ABOUT THAT BIG THAT'S WHAT WE GOT GRANDPA IN THE GRANT.
AND, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR THAT CHANGES SOMETHING THAT'S COMING.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER PEOPLE IN THERE THIS DAY IN TIME, WHETHER THEY SHOULD A BRAND BOOK WHERE THEY HAVE A BOOK THAT THEY CAN GO BACK HOME AND SIT AND FLIP A LOOK AT IT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE SECOND TERM, I DIDN'T SEE NO BOOKS IN THAT.
LIKE I SAID, FIGURE WE STILL HAD THE SAME BOOKS, YOU KNOW, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU USE LOOK AT AND FIND OUT WHO OR WHERE YOU CAN GET A GRANT.
THEN YOU FIND SOMEBODY ELSE THAT CAN WRITE THAT GRANT TO, TO CARRY IT UP FOR YOU.
BUT THE CITY OF NEW BERN USED TO HARM GRANT WRITERS.
I KNOW THE POLICE WAS GOOD AT GETTING IT.
SO THEY WERE THERE TO DO WHAT THEY COULD DO BASED OFF OF THE GRANTS THEY GOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KNOWING THE BOOKS, NOT KNOWING WHERE TO GO GET THE INFORMATION AND THEN GETTING SOMEBODY THAT CAN FACILITATE THAT WELL THAT YES, SIR.
UM, TO THE CONCERN OVER THE PARK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BLESSING AND THE CURSE IS THAT IT'S IN A FLOOD ZONE.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT NOW, WHEN I STARTED, UH, WITH THE CITY NOW, WHEN I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT WE WAS TOLD THAT WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS DONATED, THAT IT WAS IN THE AGREEMENT THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO STAY APART.
BUT YEAH, BUT NOW HE HAS SOMETHING ABOUT A PROJECT.
THERE CAN BE RESTRICTIONS AND STUFF.
THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE, UH, UH, THAT WHAT I WAS ON THE IMPRESSION WAS WHEN IT WAS APPROXIMATELY WHEN DONATED TO THE CITY THAT HAVE SPOKEN, IT WAS WRITTEN THAT IT WAS STAY APART, PLAY ELLA.
UH, BUT NOW I'M HEARING ABOUT, UH, ANOTHER GRANT OR SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WRITTEN.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL DONATE PROPERTY.
WOULD THEY DEEP RESTRICTION THAT LASTS TO THE END OF THE WORLD? I HEREBY GIVE MY LAND TO THE CITY OF NEWBURN FOR SO LONG AS IT IS USED AS A PUBLIC PARK.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT A LOT OF THAT AREA AROUND THERE WAS CONDEMNED AND NOT DONATED, BUT I DO HAVE IN MY MIND, MR. HENDERSON, UM, DEVOTE ALL THAT PROPERTY BACK IN THE DAY, HE MAY HAVE DONATED SOME OF THAT.
SO, AND THE LAST TIME
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN, UM, WAS THERE A RESTRICTION TO BE OKAY.
UM, AND FEDERAL GRANTS THERE'S ALS DONE, UH, UM, RESTRICTION I'LL EAT HAS TO REMAIN MARK FOR.
AND THAT'S MOST LIKELY THE CASE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT I'M NOT HERE TO CHANGE IT, SO THERE WASN'T ANYTHING
CAUSE THERE ARE NO LEGAL TOOLS.
I THOUGHT CHRIS WAS GOING TO ASK ME IF THE CITY COULD IMPOSE ITS OWN RESTRICTION, WHICH IT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION.
NO, IF YOU CAN OPPOSE IT, YOU CAN REMOVE IT.
SO YEAH, THE CITY COULD IMPOSE ITS OWN RESTRICTION AND THEN THE NEXT COURT COULD REMOVE THE RESTRICTION.
SO THERE IS NO LEGAL WAY TO TIE THAT UP FOREVER.
SO THEN YOU'RE JUST DEALING WITH WHAT ARE MY PRACTICAL OBSTACLES? YEAH.
I THINK THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO WOULD PROBABLY BE THE TWO TO GET THE DOCUMENTATION.
AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S AN EMAIL, UM, THAT FOSTER SAID THAT PROPERTY HAD TO BE USED AS DEEMED AS A PART.
AND I'M PRETTY SURE HE TOLD US THAT.
AND MAYBE IT RINGS A BELL I'M WITH HIM.
MA'AM UM, JUST HEARING ABOUT THIS PLAN, THAT'S BEEN FLOATING AROUND THAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, HAS NOT SEEN FOR HENDERSON PARK, KNOWING THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY A PLAN OUT THERE SOMEWHERE THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN, UM, AS THEIR LIST OF CRITERIA THAT THE DO'S AND THE DON'TS OF BUILDING OR PLANNING FOR HENDERSON PARK THAT WE COULD HAVE SO THAT WE COULD GIVE TO OUR OWN PLANNERS, POSSIBLY FOR SOMEONE TO CREATE THEIR OWN PLAN.
CAUSE I WOULD HATE TO GO OUT AND ASK A PLANNER THAT I KNOW TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND THEY NOT, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GET REJECTED BECAUSE SOMEHOW ON THE PLAN, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
SO CAN WE HAVE THOSE GUIDELINES SO THAT WE CAN, HEY GUYS, CARRIE QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW OF SUCH GUIDELINES,
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WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC GUIDELINES ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PART.USUALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR DEVELOPING A NEW PART, WE REQUIRE PUBLIC INPUT.
IS THAT PART OF THE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE RFQ FOR THAT DESIGN BUILD? THE PARK IS THE PARK IS A SEPARATE SITUATION.
THE IMAGINING, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN STUFF IS TO CREATE THAT, THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM THE NEW CENTER DOWN THERE, I'VE BEEN IMAGINING SOMETHING NICE AND LIT AND WIDE, SO THAT KIDS WOULD BE SAFE AND COMFORTABLE MOVING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO.
I DON'T MEAN LIKE A LITTLE FOOT TRAIL THAT YOU'D BEAT THROUGH THE WEEDS, BUT SOMETHING THAT IS QUITE GRAND.
AND IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PLANNING OF HENDERSON PARK OR IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDED AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S PART OF, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I KNOW IT'S SHOWN ON THE DESIGN MAP FOR THE NEW FACILITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN CALCULATED AS PART OF THE BUDGET OR NOT.
WE GOT IN THERE, WE ANNOUNCED THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH FEMA TO GET A CHANGE IN SCOPE TO RE-IMAGINE THOSE BATHROOMS, GET THEM OUT OF THE FLOOD AREA, ELEVATE THEM, KEEP THE FACILITIES THERE FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, BUT KIND OF RE-IMAGINED FROM THE VERY FIRST DRAFT.
AND MAYBE BY NEXT MONTH WE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME NEWS AND SOME RENDERINGS ON THAT.
SO SATURDAY WE HAD THAT MEETING WITH MR. REGGIE AND A FEW OTHER NEW VERNON'S, BUT WITH ECU ABOUT THEIR CAPSTONE PROJECT, ABOUT CREATING A MURAL ALONG THAT PATHWAY.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT FITS INTO THE DESIGN, BUT THAT'S ALSO BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
AND I WAS GOING TO MENTION IT IF WE HAD NEW BUSINESS OR SOMETHING HERE, BUT, UM, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO GET WITH JEFF AND FIND OUT ABOUT, BUT AT LEAST TO THE MEMBERS HERE, LIKE I SAID, MR. REGGIE WAS THERE AS WELL AS TORRENTS, MR. PICKETT, JUST GIVING THESE ECU STUDENTS, UH, CITY PLANNER, GRADUATE STUDENTS, A, UM, INSIGHT TO STANLEY WHITE AND WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND GIVING THEM STORIES, UM, OVER THREE HOURS WE'VE SPENT AND TOOK THEM DOWN TO GO SEE THE SITE.
SO I KNOW THAT THAT IS ONE POTENTIAL PROJECT THAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT AND WHICH YOU GUYS, AS THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT, IT DOES INCLUDE OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IT WAS INITIATED BY TOMORROW WALLACE, UM, BEING AN ECU GRADUATE AND HE WAS ABLE TO CONNECT THOSE DOTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR JUST PLANNING IT, NOT THAT AS, YOU KNOW, EXECUTION, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE EXECUTION IS GOING TO GO, BUT THAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE WORK SO FAR.
GOING BACK TO THE PLAN, UM, HENDERSON PARK, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN PER SE, BUT JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT COULD FIT IN THAT LOCATION.
YOU KNOW, WHAT ITEMS COULD WE USE IN THAT AREA OF LAND? YEAH, BASICALLY, I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING SOME OFFICIAL SEALED.
THIS IS IT, GET HAPPY WITH IT? I THINK IT WAS MORE OF A HERE'S THE AREA.
HERE'S SOME THINGS THAT COULD GO HERE AND THERE THAT LOOKS NICE SUBJECT TO SOMEBODY THINKING REAL HARD ABOUT IT.
AND AS CARRIE SAID, THAT'S A VERY STANDARD THING TO DO FOR A PARK IS YOU WANT TO GET THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE SERVED BY TO GIVE THEIR INPUT AS TO WHAT CAN BE DONE? WELL, NO, THAT'D BE MORE INVOLVEMENT.
I MEAN, THIS THING THINK CERTAINLY HELP WITH COMMUNICATION AND WHATNOT, BUT YEAH, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WOULD NEED TO KIND OF SET THE DIRECTION ON THAT.
AND I, AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, I DO SENSE SOME EXCITEMENT.
UM, IT'S IN CREATIVITY, OVER HENDERSON PARK AND THE BASKETBALL AND THE LIGHTS AND A DESIRE TO, TO SEE SOMETHING GET GOING NOW.
NOW ON THE ORDINANCE FOR THIS COMMITTEE, IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROGRAM IN PORTION FOR STANLEY Y AND D THE HENDERSON PARK AREA.
UM, WOULD THAT THE, UM, AMENITIES FOR THAT PART, WOULD THAT FALL UNDER THE PROGRAM? I THINK SO.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE SOME PASSION FOR.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALL GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO AND TO COME AND SIT AND NOD AND WALK AWAY IS FINE, BUT I'D RATHER SEE YOU COME AND DO ONE THING WITH PASSION, THEN COME MUMBLE ABOUT THREE THINGS AND WE DID IT FOR A YEAR AND NOW IT'S ON SOMETHING ELSE.
SO IF, IF THAT CREATES SOME EXCITEMENT IS PROGRAMMING THAT PARK AND FOLKS IN
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THE PARK RATES AND EXCITEMENT AND PASSION AMONG THE BOARD DO IT, THE GRAY.THAT'D BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THERE WAS THE MENTION AS WELL, IN A PRIOR BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING FROM MAYOR OUTLAW ABOUT A SUSTAINING WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE, COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN AT HENDERSON PARK.
SO I KNOW YOU MENTIONED PRIVATE FUNDING AS WELL, AND THAT'S HELPING WITH FUNDRAISING, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR BARBARA OTTOMAN AT THAT OPTION IS STILL ON THE TABLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GLEAN FROM THE MAYOR OR POTENTIALLY THE CITY FOR ASSISTANCE WITH THAT.
I HEARD THE MAYOR SAY THAT MYSELF.
SO I'LL BE YOUR FIRST WITNESS IN YOUR TRIAL TO JUSTIFY THAT THE MAYOR SAID HE WAS GOING TO HELP CROWN THAT FIELD.
HE SAID IT, AND I REMIND HIM OF IT AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO HOLD HIM TO IT.
I'M THINKING THE MAYOR ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW HE HELPED WITH THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DO THE EXACT SAME THING.
IT'S A BIG ASK, BUT HE'S ALSO DONE IT ONCE.
SO I COULD SEE HIM DOING IT AGAIN.
MS.
WE NEVER ASKED THEM WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE AT HENDERSON PARK, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU NEVER FOUND THEM IN THE LOOP, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT HAS NOW.
SO IS THERE A POSSIBILITY FOR US BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING TO DO SOME SORT OF SURVEY TO SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT HENDERSON PARK, WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE DONE WITH THE FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WE AT LEAST HAVE SOME INFORMATION AND SOME HOMEWORK TO GO BACK AND DO AND COME BACK FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE SOME SORT OF IDEA OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE I'D HATE TO JUST LEAVE HERE AND NOT HAVE SOME SORT OF ACTION ITEM FOR US.
WE COULD DO A DIGITAL, WE CAN GO DOOR TO DOOR, WE CAN DO A HYBRID, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO GET INPUT AS TO HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LEGACY CONTINUE AT THAT PARK.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT, UM, HENDERSON PARK, THE CITIZEN PARK IS STANLEY WHITE IS STANLEY WHITE.
WE DELINEATE THE INSIDE OF A SURVEY SO THAT THEY COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT AT THE BEGINNING.
THIS IS WHAT THIS IS FOR, RIGHT? YES.
I THINK THAT'S THE, BUT I THINK THAT'S AN OUTSTANDING IDEA.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, I, I HAVE A VISION I SEE THERE, BUT WE NEED THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY'S INPUT.
WE, WE HAVE A CP AND L THE CONSULTANTS CAME UP WITH A CONCEPT OF WHAT THE BUILDING SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT SHOULD BE INSIDE THE BUILDING IN THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE PRO THEY BROUGHT THAT TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN IN JANUARY, JANUARY, OR FEBRUARY, THAT THEIR CONCEPT OF WHAT THE BUILDING SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND EVERYTHING, RIGHT.
ALL OF THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID NOT VOTE NO, THERE WAS A PUBLIC INPUT MEETING, UH, AT THE CENTER OF A MEGA CENTER.
AND THEY HAD, UM, ASKED THE PUBLIC TO COME IN AND TELL WHAT THEY WANTED IN THE FACILITY AND THEY PUT IT ON A BOARD.
SO THERE WAS SOME PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT.
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YOU THAT INFORMATION, BECAUSE I SAW THE EMAIL ON THAT.SO THERE WAS ON THAT PIECE, THERE WAS WASN'T PUBLIC INFORMATION ON PUBLIC.
NO, NO DOCTOR WAS, WE DIDN'T AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE ULTIMATELY, RIGHT.
WELL, IF YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT DOING SOME TYPE OF SURVEY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO.
DO YOU WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING DIGITAL OR PUT SOMETHING OWN OUT DIFFERENT AVENUES HYBRID, JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE RECEIVE THEIR INFORMATION DIFFERENTLY THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
MAYBE A NEWSPAPER, LIKE HOW WE DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC MEETING, THE PUBLIC INPUT MEETING THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW.
I MEAN, I'M SURE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, HOW TO MARKET THE SURVEY OR HOW TO GET IT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT, UM, JUST SOME SORT OF ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THIS SURVEY IS COMING IN ADDITION TO THE WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE ON STANDARD.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE AVENUE WE USED FOR THE INPUT ON THE CENTER IS WAY OUT AS ONE AVENUE CALLED.
I THINK WE HAD SOME DROP-OFF LOCATIONS AT, UM, IT WAS EITHER RC, A BUS OR A PROMISE PLACE, MAYBE THAT WE HAD SOME BOXES FOR DROP-OFF OF PIPER.
AND IF YOU GIVE IT TO ME ELECTRONICALLY, I'LL PUT IT OUT ON THE COMMUNITY EMAIL THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE'LL GIVE IT OUT TO THE LOCAL CHURCHES AND EVERYTHING.
WE'LL GIVE IT OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
IF YOU GET IT, I'M AN ELECTRONIC GUY, SO HE CAN GIVE IT TO ME ELECTRONICALLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE ECU CAPSTONE KIDS MIGHT HAVE AN INTEREST IN HELPING IN SOME WAY ORGANIZE THE INFORMATION.
IT'S, IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE 50 OR A HUNDRED RESPONSES CAN NOW WATCH WHAT WE DO WITH THAT.
HOW DO WE TRANSFER THAT INTO A PLACE? AND I KNOW WE HAVE THE BANDSTAND OF IS NEW SINCE THAT PLAN.
SO I REMEMBER LOOKING AT THAT PLAN THINKING, OH, THAT AMPHITHEATER MIGHT NOW BE BETTER IMAGINED TO HAVE A CONCERT AREA WHERE YOU CAN MOVE, BUT LIKE, YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE YOU CAN MOVE THAT BANDSTAND IN AND OUT EASILY.
SO THERE'S SOME THINGS OR PRACTICAL TO, TO KIND OF THINK FOR, AND I'LL SEND YOU GUYS THAT THE ECU KIDS, THAT CONTACT INFORMATION THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
ALSO, IF YOU HAVE OLD PICTURES OF STABLE LIGHT OR THAT AREA, AND THERE'S A PARK AREA, THEY WOULD LOVE TO COLLECT THOSE SO THAT THEY COULD SOMEHOW BE INCORPORATED IN THE MURAL
AND EVEN IF THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DEDICATE AND NAME THAT AREA, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, IF IT HAS A NAME, I DON'T KNOW, STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CAMPUS, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IF WE ASK THEM FOR PROBABLY AS SOON AS THE PARK OR WHERE IT'S ASSIGNED INTERJECT, AND THEN THE WALKING TRAIL WAS NAMED AFTER JOHN HANCOCK AND JANIE SPECTRUM.
SO YOU HAVE TO WALK CONTROLS NAMED AFTER HIM AND THE EXERCISE AREA.
IT ENDED UP WITH CITIZEN PARK TO PARK VIEW.
SO IT HAS A SIGN OUT THERE THAT SAYS UNDERSTANDABLE.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, ARE WE GOING WITH THE SUGGESTION OF, IS THE WHOLE CAMPUS GOING TO HAVE A DEDICATION NAMES? WHAT MAKES IT HARDER TO CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE? WELL, I THINK IT'D JUST BE, WE DO, WE DEDICATE THAT WHOLE CAMPUSES AND ANDERSON PARK HENDERSON PARKVILLE CAMPUS, OR RIGHT UP UNTIL, UH,
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CHAPMAN STREET.CAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S IT'S FURTHER IN.
SO WE DID IT AT THE BEGINNING OF CHAPMAN STREET WHERE IT SAYS STANLEY WHITE, WE JUST MOVED TO STANLEY WHITE SIGN AND MOVED TO HIM SOME PARK SIGN THAT THERE.
NOW THAT WHOLE CAMPUSES, THAT WHOLE LAND WITH BIRD AND 40 ACRES IS INNOCENT.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ARTIFACTS AND PICTURES AND STUFF.
JUST PROMPT HIM, JAY, WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE TROPHIES AND MEMORABILIA FROM POP WARNER FOOTBALL TEAMS AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS THERE STOLEN.
THAT WAS ANOTHER THING
NO DOWN, DOWN EVERY ROOM SHOULD HAVE A HISTORICAL MEANING AND BACKGROUND.
IF IT'S RIGHT, IF IT'S A JT BARBARA ROOM, WE EXPLAINED WHY IS THE JPG BARBARA ROOM? AND WE HAVE ARTIFACTS DEALING WITH JASON FARMERS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A ROOM FOR BOOK.
EXPLAIN WHY THAT ROOM WAS THERE FOR BOOKS AND ARTIFACTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
YOU KNOW? SO IT IS, IT, IT CAN BE NOT JUST A RECREATIONAL FACILITY, BUT IT'LL BE A HISTORICAL RECOLLECTION TO SAY.
AND I MEAN, I KNOW WE GOT TO GO, THAT'S THE VISION I SEE ON THE BUILDING.
THAT WAS IN THE OLD STANLEY ONE.
THAT RED BRICK BUILDING THERE WAS CELEBRATING SO QUICK.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.
WE HAD, OR EVEN IF YOU RUN ACROSS ANY GRANTS, THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY YOU WANT TO SHOOT THEM OVER TO ME.
SO I CAN LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT'S
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SOMETHING WE COULD USE.CAUSE A PRODUCT FRAME IT, HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT.
AND UH, LAST THING I MOVED THAT WE ADJOURNED SECOND.