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[1 . Meeting opened by Mayor Dana E. Outlaw. Prayer Coordinated by Alderman Kinsey. Pledge of Allegiance.]
WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE OCTOBER 26TH MEETING OF THE NEW BOARD.BALDMAN THE PRAYER TONIGHT WILL BE GIVEN BY ALDERMAN KENZIE, JOHNNY RAY KINSEY.
WELCOME TO THE NEW SAMPSON BOARD OF ALL THE SAMSUNG.
WOULD YOU COME UP TO JUST PULL THEM IN AND OPEN UP PRAYER FOR US, PLEASE? PRAISE THE LORD.
EVERYBODY FALL IN THE PRECIOUS NAME OF JESUS AND THE MOTHER FOR HIM TO BOTHER BY THE PLEADING THAT HE WANTED TO DO CALL UPON THEM.
WHAT AM I TO SNAKE? AND THE
TIME AT NINE 30, AND THE PARTNER ASKED YOU TO BE YOUR WHEEL.
PLEASE FORGIVE US ABOUT MINUTES.
THEN TELL ME FATHER AND THE FATHER ECO-FRIENDLY FATHER TOUCH EAST
AND ALL THOSE THAT COME UP BEFORE THE POEM IS TOUCHED HIM IN A SPECIAL WAY.
AND FATHER, WHAT IF THEY HAVE ANY REASON TO DISAGREE ABOUT ANY THAT THEY HAD THE FATHER AND THE FATHER ASKED THAT YOU BE ON THE COURT, HAD A FATHER AS A SPECIFIC LESSON FOR THE NATION, THE CITY, THE TOWN BEING A FATHER WHO GOD IS BEST FOR SPREADING DOWN THE PRECIOUS NAME OF JESUS AS WE GO FORTH TONIGHT, HAD THE FATHER DIDN'T GOT ENOUGH.
I WOULD PASS ME THE NAME OF JESUS.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO AMERICA AND TO THE NATION, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE, MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROAD? ALDERMAN RUN THE TABLE HERE OUT OF WOMAN HARRIS PRESENT OTTERMAN NASSER.
OTTERMAN KINSEY OUTER MENDEZ PRESENT ALDERMAN ITEMS HERE
[Consent Agenda]
AT THIS TIME.UM, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT WE TAKE THE APPROVED MINUTES OUT OF THE CONVENTION AND JET CONSENT AGENDA FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE TO MAKE A CORRECTION TO ONE OF THE MINUTES THAT WE RECEIVED AND ALSO WE NEED TO DO IT IN TWO MOTIONS, ONE TO APPROVE IT AND ONE TO APPROVE OR TO VOTE ON THE TWO UNSEALED.
THE MINUTES THAT CAN BE UNSEALED.
IS THAT CORRECT? MR. ATTORNEY? YES, MA'AM JUST MY MOTION.
IS THERE BY NOT HERE TO MUCH ALL IN FAVOR THE MOTION, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
SAY MOTION CARRIES AT THIS TIME.
[6. Approve Minutes.]
AFTER WE WANT AGAIN, WE GO TO THE MINUTES DO THIS.UM, YEAH, I, UH, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE CITY CLERK SENT TO EVERYBODY, CORRECT.
THAT WAS FORWARDED BY ALDERMAN HARRIS AND I BELIEVE ALL OF THEM IN BEST AS WELL.
UM, SO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT TO AMEND THOSE MINUTES, WHICH WERE MORE JUST THE 10 OF, WAS IT 2018 OR 20 19, 20, 20, 20, 20.
SO THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS.
AND THEN THE SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS WOULD BE TO UNSEAL.
I HAVE A LIST OF DATES THAT I CAN READ THROUGH TO SEPARATE.
UM, THE UNSEALED DATES, UH, WOULD BE STARTING AT, UH, JANUARY 23RD, 2018, APRIL 10TH, 2018, APRIL 24TH, 2018, MAY 22ND, 2018, AUGUST 14TH, 2018, UH, NOVEMBER 27TH, 2018, MAY THE 12TH, 2019, EXCUSE ME, MARCH THE 12TH, 2019, MAY 14TH, 2019, MAY 28TH, 2019, JUNE 11TH, 2019, AUGUST 27TH, 2019, NOVEMBER 12TH, 2019, DECEMBER 10TH, 2019, JANUARY 10TH, 2020, MARCH 10TH, 2020 MAY 26TH, 2020.
UM, AND AUGUST THE 11TH, 2020, IT WOULD BE PART TWO PART.
ONE WAS A PERSONNEL MATTER, WHICH HAS TO SAY CEO.
SO IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2020, NOVEMBER 10TH, 2020, DECEMBER 8TH, 2020,
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JANUARY 12TH, 2021, JANUARY 26TH, 2021 PART ONE WOULD BE UNSEALED, UH, APRIL THE 16TH, 2021 PART ONE, UNSEALED MAY THE FOURTH, 2021 UNSEALED AND JUNE 22ND, 2021 PART ONE ON SEAT.UH, THIS WAS GIVEN TO ME BY THE CITY CLERK.
SO I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT WAS EVERYTHING IN OUR POCKET.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO I HAVE A MOTION SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE BOAT.
WHAT ARE WE? WELL, THERE'S TWO CORRECTION PLUS UNSEALED GRIT.
THE FIRST MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTIONS.
SO WHAT'S THE, THE CORRECTION.
IT SAYS ALL THE HITTERS REQUESTED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO BE ADDED TO THE MARCH 10TH, 20 CLOSED SESSION.
AND IT STATED THAT, UM, I AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ACQUISITION BASED ON IT BEING, UH, A BACKUP, CLEAN ACQUISITION OF THE STANLEY WHITE PROPERTY.
SHE ADDED THOSE MINUTES AND UPDATED AND, UM, SENT THE, UH, WITH THE NEW DOCUMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND I'M NOT SURE.
I DIDN'T SEE WHAT, UM, BARBARA'S WAS SHE, I CONCURRED WITH YOU.
SO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS? UM, YEAH, THERE'S THE MOTION TO APPROVE ALL OF THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED.
AND THEN THE SECOND MOTION IS TO UNSEAL THOSE THAT YOU IDENTIFIED, RIGHT? YES.
MA'AM, WHAT'S THAT ROLE CALLED IS STARTING WITH, SO IS NOW IN THE FIRST MOTION OR BOTH OF THEM LEARN TO MAKE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS? YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE ADJUSTMENT THAT, UH, THE CITY CLERK PROVIDED TO US VIA THE EMAIL SECOND.
AND THIS IS FOR THE CORRECTION.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO STAY AS A PUBLIC MEMBER ELECTED OFFICIAL.
UM, WHEN MEETINGS ARE RUNNING CLOSE SESSIONS, RUNNING, UH, NOTES ARE NOT VERBATIM.
THEY ARE ONE'S OPINION IN THE FORM OF NOTES OF WHAT TRANSPIRED.
AND THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN WRITTEN NOTES UNTIL THEY'RE APPROVED BY THE GOVERNING BOARD.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FIXING TO DO.
BUT, UM, I GUESS THAT'S ONE PROBLEM WITH WAITING SO LONG TO APPROVE MINUTES.
I DO NOT REMEMBER YOUR, YOUR CORRECTION OR YOUR ADDITION BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER.
SO I GUESS ON THE LEGAL COUNSEL, SHOULD I RECUSE MYSELF ASK TO BE RECUSED? SHOULD, UH, ABSTAIN, UM, I GUESS JUST VOTE.
WOULD BE SIMPLE IS WHAT CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME LEGAL COUNSEL ON THIS? IT TO ME AS WELL? CAUSE I NEVER REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION TAKING PLACE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO POSTPONE, APPROVING THESE MINUTES, WE CAN GET THEM TO COME HERE AND SPEAK ON IT IN A CLOSED SESSION.
I WAS IN DC AND I WAS OUTSIDE AND PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO HEAR IT.
SO THERE WERE PEOPLE PRIVY TO A CLOSED SESSION.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHONE RECORDS, YOU CAN FORWARD THEM.
YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY TIMES, UH, MARK STEVENS CALLED ME IN WHAT THE WAS STATED IN REGARDS TO THAT.
CAUSE I, I SAID IT AND MS. BARBARA, WERE YOU THERE AS A WITNESS? DID YOU HEAR ME SAY IT THAT IT WAS A PLAN B DID YOU ALSO AT THE CLOSED SESSION? THANK YOU.
THAT'S WHY I JOINED WITH YOU ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT PUT IN THE MINUTES THAT WE RECEIVED IN THAT PACKET.
AND THAT WAS THE PART OF THAT CLOSED SESSION.
AND WHO HEARD, WHO? THAT'S MY OTHER PERSON RIGHT THERE, BUT YOU SAID YOU COULD BRING WITNESSES.
I CAN, WHO SHARED YOUR CLOSED SESSION? I DIDN'T SHARE ANY CLOSED SESSION I'M OUT IN PUBLIC AND PEOPLE CAN HEAR YOU GUYS DECIDED TO DO A CLOSED SESSION WHILE I WAS GOING IN DC THAT YEAR.
AND THEN LET ME KNOW UNTIL I GOT TO DC THAT WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ACQUISITION OF STANLEY WHITE.
NOW WHILE WE DO SO, UM, IT TAKES A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD TO APPROVE ANY PARTICULAR SET OF MINUTES.
SO YOU CAN APPROVE ALL OF THE MINUTES OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING ADJUSTED.
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THEN AS TO THE SECOND SET, UM, IT TAKES A MAJORITY TO APPROVE AND OTHERS CAN REFRESH YOU TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN BE REFRESHED.IF YOU CAN'T BE REFRESHED, YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST IT.
WELL, I WOULD MAKE A BETTER SUGGESTION IN THAT NOW THAT I'VE HEARD WHAT I'VE HEARD THE LAST FIVE MINUTES, I'D SUGGEST AS OUR LEGAL COUNSEL THAT YOU GET WITH THE INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT AND SEE HOW WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH THIS.
IF SOMEBODY, OTHER THAN THE BOARD HAS BEEN PRIVY TO A CLOSED SECTION, I THINK WE'D PROBABLY WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
UM, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, CAN YOU ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THE CLOSED SESSION INFORMATION THAT GOT LEAKED IN REGARDS TO STEVE MARK STEVENS? CAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF BOARD INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN LEAKED FROM CLOSED SESSIONS.
SO IT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AGAIN.
WE'RE TRYING TO SILENCE THE VOICES OF WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT I STATED THAT I WOULD SUPPORT THE ACQUISITION OF THAT PROPERTY AS A PLAN B.
AND I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FROM DAY ONE AND IT NEEDED TO BE NOTATED.
I DID NOT SEE THE POST SESSION MEETINGS UNTIL BRENDA PROVIDED THEM TO ME.
UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT HAD HAPPENED ALL THE I'M HERE.
SO I'M JUST SAYING I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT REMEMBER.
AND ATTORNEY DAVIS AT THIS POINT, WHEN IT COMES TO CLOSED SESSION, IS THERE A GENERAL STATURE OR SOME KIND OF LAW THAT PROHIBITS US FROM HAVING DETAILED MINUTES IN A CLOSED SESSION SO THAT WE WON'T HAVE THIS ISSUE OR RECORDING THEM SOMETHING? SO WE WON'T HAVE THIS.
THIS, THE SOLUTION IS TO HAVE THOSE AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
THAT THAT'S THE SOLUTION THAT WE'LL WE'LL BE TAKING FORWARD IS A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS TIME GOING BY THAT'S THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION.
MADAM CLERK WAS YOU, UH, RESTATE THE MOTION AS TO IF WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT OR IF IT'S, IF THAT MOTION WANTS TO BE RESCINDED ON AN EMOTION MADE, UH, COULD YOU GIVE US THE MUCH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YET.
ALDERMAN HARRIS MADE THE MOTION AND SHE MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE AMENDMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ONE FIRST, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL ANYTHING EVER BEING STATED THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY AS PLAN B.
IT, FEMA DID NOT APPROVE THE REBUILD IN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.
I AND I THOUGHT I STAYED ON TOP OF HIS FAMOUS STUFF.
I NEVER RECALL THAT CONVERSATION.
SO I WAS KNOWN TO APPROVE AND OTHER MEETINGS ARE I VOTE? YES.
TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT STATEMENT.
WELL, UM, ASKED HER, I'M NOT SITTING UP HERE BICKER WITH ANY ALDERMAN UP HERE.
WE'RE HERE TO CONDUCT CITY BUSINESS, BUT IF I SAID SOMETHING, I'LL REPEAT IT.
AND I SAID, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE AS OF TODAY, WHAT MEETING WE WAS HERE, LIVE A CITY MEETING BOARD OF VOLVO MEETING WHERE THIS COME UP ABOUT STANDING WHITE AGAIN.
AND I SAID TO YOU, IN THAT CLOSED SESSION MEETING WE HAD, IF YOU HAD TO GIVEN US MORE DETAILS ON THE ACTIONS OF THE STANDING WHITE REC CENTER, DEALING WITH FEMA, THEN I WOULD HAVE NEVER VOTED YES.
TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT FOR THE NEW LOCATION.
AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT A LIVE BOARD MEETING.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S YOU ALSO IN LAB BOARD MEETING, THANKS THIS FOR FINDING THE LOCATION AND THE LOCATION.
STILL NOT KNOWING THE PRELIMINARY, THE WHOLE IDEAL ABOUT YOU WERE HANDLING FAMILY, AS YOU SAID, YES.
YOU WERE HAVING FEMA THEN AND I, AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HUMAN, WE MAKE MISTAKES, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE GAVE US MORE DETAILS.
WELL, YOU JUST WON'T OWN UP TO IT BECAUSE YOU DID, YOU DID NOT FULLY DISCLOSE TO US.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND ARGUE ABOUT THIS, BUT CAUSE I KNOW WHAT WAS SAID IN A CLOSED SESSION OR I'M CONSTRUCTING, EXCUSE ME.
UM, A BAMA CALLED THE QUESTION.
UM, THAT'S NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO SIT UP HERE AND ARGUE WITH ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER ABOUT SOMETHING, BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, WE NEED TO DO IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS PERSON TO PERSON ONE-ON-ONE.
BUT I KNOW WHAT WAS SAID AT THAT MEETING.
AND I'M A STANDBY HERE THAT CLOSED SESSION, MARCH 9TH OR 10TH, MARCH 10TH.
SO ROAD CALLED STORY WAS AGAIN, WE'RE APPROVING THE
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MINUTES WITH APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE AMENDMENT.OUT A WOMAN HARRIS, ALDERMAN ASTRO MAYOR, OUTLAW, ALDERMAN KINSEY, ALDERMAN, BEST ALDERMAN ITEM.
WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED ON THAT? MAY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE UNSEALED THE MINUTES THAT I STATED SETTINGS.
MY SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE OF THE SEVERAL POSTS STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ODOM? I DON'T REMEMBER ADAM ALDERMAN BEST.
MAY YOUR OUTLAW ALDERMAN ASKED HER OUT A WOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN BAGEL.
WHAT ELSE COULD WE HAVE ON THAT
[7. Consider Approving the 2022 Holiday Calendar.]
NUMBER SEVEN MAYOR.NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER APPROVING THE 2022 HOLIDAY CALENDAR ANNUALLY.
THE BOARD APPROVES THE CALENDAR, DESIGNATING THE HOLIDAYS TO BE OBSERVED AND DATES FOR WHICH CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED.
THE PROPOSED CALENDAR FOR 2022 MIRRORS.
THE 11 DAYS THAT WILL BE OBSERVED BY CRAVEN COUNTY.
A MEMO FROM MS. HAYES IS ATTACHED.
AND YOU ALSO HAVE A COPY OF THE PROPOSED, A HOLIDAY SCHEDULE.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, I REACHED OUT TO A FOSTER TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR JUNETEENTH TO BE A PAID HOLIDAY.
AND HE SAID IT WOULD BE, UM, $120,000 FOR THAT DAY.
AND, UM, GIVE OR TAKE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF PUBLIC FIRE UTILITIES, UM, THEY NEED TO WORK ON THE HOLIDAY AND I'VE STATED, AND MS. TALENA MASSEY HAS STATED THAT WE WANTED TO COME BACK TO SEE SPECIALLY FOR THE 20, 22 HOLIDAY CALENDAR HOLIDAY CALENDAR TO SEE IF, UM, WE WERE GOING TO MAKE JUNE JUNETEENTH FOR PAID HOLIDAY SINCE THE GOVERNOR, UM, MAY JUNETEENTH A NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
UM, WE WANT TO KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE JUNETEENTH THE PAID HOLIDAY FOR THE CITY.
SO QUESTION THOUGH, I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNOR MADE, BECAUSE AREN'T WE FOLLOWING STATE HOLIDAYS, ARE WE FOLLOWING STATE? WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY FOLLOWED CRAVEN COUNTY ON WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING IN.
YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT, WE DID DO SOME RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT, WHAT OTHER TOWNS AND CITIES HAVE BEEN ADOPTING.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE STATE HAS A YEAH, BECAUSE THEY HAD READ, THEY JUST, HE JUST MADE IT A NATIONAL HOLIDAY, BUT THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE TURNED IT INTO A PAID HOLIDAY.
I THINK ONCE ASHEVILLE OR RALEIGH, THERE WAS NUMEROUS STATEMENTS.
WELL I'M SAYING CITIES WITHIN THE STATE.
I MEAN CITIES NUMEROUS, THE STATE'S 20, 22 CALENDAR.
THEY DID NOT ADOPT THE JUNE TEAM, BUT SEVERAL CITIES AROUND US HAVE STARTED DOING THAT.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR MAYBE CONVERSATION ON YOUR, ON YOUR THOUGHTS.
I BROUGHT THE PRICE TO YOU OR THE COST OF WHAT IT WOULD BE.
I KNOW THAT WE UTILIZE FLOATING HOLIDAYS.
SOMETIMES I KNOW THE COUNTY DOES.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE CAN TRY IT FOR ONE YEAR, SEE HOW IT WORKED, UM, TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND CAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS REMOVE IT THE FOLLOWING CALENDAR YEAR, BUT I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IN GOOD FAITH BECAUSE WE HAD AN AMAZING JUNETEENTH.
EVERYONE TOOK TO IT THAT WE CAN DO THIS AS A PAID HOLIDAY, AS IT AS A ONE-TIME THING UNTIL WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO DO IT CONTINUOUSLY.
CAN WE DO IT WITH INTRODUCING ONE OF THE HOLIDAYS ON THE CALENDAR? SO DO AWAY WITH THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING OR THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS AND REPLACE IT SO THAT WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF HOLIDAYS BUDGET.
I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST FOLLOW UP OUR BENCHMARK CITIES.
LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING.
AND IF WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND APPROVE IT, WE CAN, ONCE WE SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CALENDAR FOR THE 2022 CALENDAR YEAR.
DID YOU SAY THERE WAS INFORMATION ON THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS? OUR SISTER CITIES.
DID WE, DID WE GET A SECOND? SECOND SIR.
WELL DISCUSSION, NO QUESTIONS.
YOU WANT TO ASK? GOOD EVENING.
SO YES MA'AM WE DID CHECK WITH SOME MUNICIPALITIES BACK IN FEBRUARY AND WE CHECKED WITH SOME LAST WEEK JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
UM, WE DID CHECK WITH WILMINGTON AND THEY ARE NOT OBSERVING.
THEY ARE OBSERVING AND I THINK THEY STARTED LAST YEAR.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UH, WILSON IS NOT ROCKY MOUNT.
UM, THEY WERE OBSERVING PREVIOUSLY AND THEY ARE IN 2022.
GRAVING COUNTY IS NOT JACKSONVILLE OBSERVES FREEDOM DAY.
UM, IN DECEMBER GOLDSBORO, THEY PRETTY MUCH
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FOLLOWED THE STATE CALENDAR.SO THEY WON'T BE OBSERVING IN 2022.
I THINK THERE IS SOME DISCUSSIONS, BUT THEY HAVE NOT ADDED IT TO THEIR CALENDAR.
UH, HAVE LOT, NO, UM, MOREHEAD CITY IS NO GREENFIELD DID ADD IT FOR 2022.
UM, AND THEY, UM, IT WAS ADDED AS AN ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY AND THE SAME WITH WASHINGTON, WE JUST DISCOVERED TODAY.
I THINK THAT THEY DID ADD IT TO THEIR 20, 22 CALENDAR AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY.
SO THOSE ARE THE MUNICIPALITIES WE CHECKED WITH.
SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME THAT WE HAVEN'T CHECKED WITH THE COURSE THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT HAVE ADDED SOME THAT HAVE CHOSEN, NOT TO SOME THAT ARE STILL IN THE GOTCHA.
SO THE ONES THAT HAVE THE ADDED, DID THEY, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY HAVE 11 HOLIDAYS NOW THEY HAVE 12 OR DID THEY SUBSTITUTE IT FOR A DIFFERENT DAY? IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL THAT WASN'T ALL OF THE ONES THAT YOU'VE JUST STATED.
THE TWO, THERE WERE TWO THAT ADDED IT ON THAT WAS GREENVILLE AND WASHINGTON.
AND IT IS AN ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY, OTHER ONES THAT HAVE IT AS A HOLIDAY.
THEY'VE NOT ADDED IT, BUT SOMETHING ELSE, IT REPLACED SOMETHING ELSE.
WHAT, WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS THAT THEY ARE OBSERVING IT.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY IF EVERY SINGLE ONE REDUCED THEIR HOLIDAYS BY ONE, BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS GREENVILLE IN WASHINGTON, SINCE THEY NEWLY ADDED IT, IT IS AN ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY.
THEY DID NOT REMOVE ONE OTHER DAY.
WELL, TOS HAS ADDED IT AS AN ADDITIONAL HOLIDAY ONES.
WE CHECKED SONIA, DO YOU KNOW WHO CREATES THE STATE HOLIDAYS? UH, THE OFFICE OF STATE PERSONNEL.
UM, DOES THE CALENDAR FOR THE STATE? I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THREE DAYS FOR CHRISTMAS AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WE'VE GOT TWO.
SO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN EXTRA DAY AROUND CHRISTMAS.
RIGHT? I HAVE AN EXTRA DAY AT CHRISTMAS AND TRADITIONALLY CRAVEN COUNTY DOES.
AND A LOT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES DIDN'T FOLLOW THE STATE CALENDAR, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, CRAVEN COUNTY ONLY WENT WITH THE TWO DAYS AT CHRISTMAS, DISCOUNTED CHRISTMAS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE GO RIGHT AHEAD.
JUST TRYING TO SEE IF WE COULD BE PROGRESSIVE AND TRY IT OUT THIS YEAR ON THE CALENDAR.
UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT, UM, THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IN THE CITY ABOUT BEING PROGRESSIVE AND UPGRADING AND UPDATING, BECAUSE THINGS ARE KIND OF OLD.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE LOOK TO OUR SISTER CITIES TO BE ABLE TO MIMIC WHAT THEY DO.
I'VE ALWAYS SAID I LIKE TO BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HONOR AND RESPECT WHAT JUNETEENTH IS.
UM, THERE'S PEOPLE AND MONIES THAT HAVE WENT IN FOR THE LAST I'VE BEEN ELECTED ALMOST FOUR YEARS, FOUR TO FIVE YEARS IN REGARDS TO JUNETEENTH.
AND I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE DIVERSITY EQUITY INCLUSION THAT WE NEED TO, UM, GRAVITATE TOWARDS FOR THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND ADDING THIS THIS YEAR, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CALENDAR NEXT YEAR, SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT AND TRY IT.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN YOU REMOVE IT OFF TO HOLLYWOOD.
LET IT BE ON THERE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE TESTING IT OUT, TO SEE HOW IT WORKS FOR THE CITY, IF IT'S CONDUCIVE OR IF IT'S JUST TOO MUCH TO HANDLE, WHAT, WHAT ABOUT IT? COULDN'T WORK.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GIVING THEM, UH, EMPLOYEES A DAY OFF WITH PAY.
I MEAN, I'VE TAKEN THAT AWAY FROM, WELL, NO, IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE POTENTIAL OF OVERTIME.
SO WE DON'T KNOW IF ON THAT DAY, NEXT YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN 120,000 BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT POLICE, FIRE OR UTILITIES.
I STILL THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND WHAT THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA IS GOING TO DO BEFORE WE ADD ANOTHER HOLIDAY.
MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT, UM, I AGREE THAT IT'S BETTER TO BE A LEADER THAN A FOLLOWER SOMETIMES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO STAY WITHIN THE 12 HOLIDAYS WE HAVE.
AND I SAY, WE, THAT WE TAKE AWAY THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING OR THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU TAKE THE DAY AWAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.
PEOPLE LIKE TO GO HOME FOR THANKSGIVING AND IT'S TOUGH TO GET UP WEDNESDAY NIGHT AND THEN GO HOME AND THEN COME BACK THURSDAY NIGHT.
THAT'S THE REASON, OH, WELL, PEOPLE LIKE TO CELEBRATE JUNE TEAM.
THEY DON'T WANT TO COME TO WORK.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO THE SAME FOR 27TH, THEY GET TO CHRISTMAS.
AND CHRISTMAS IS ON A, I THINK SUNDAY AND MONDAY, SUNDAY.
SO THEY GET SUNDAY AND MONDAY.
IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE DATES.
I THINK WE GOT, WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND ADMIT IT.
WE FIND OUT WHAT THE STATE AND EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD DO, AND WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND AMEND THEM.
LET'S DO A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ITEM.
WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING TO PROVE IT ASSETS PRESENTED AS PRESENTED WITHOUT JUNETEENTH BEING ADDED WITHOUT IT BEING ADDED.
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CORRECT.ALDERMAN ASKED OUT A WOMAN HARRIS.
[8. Consider Approving the 2022 Board of Aldermen Meeting Roster.]
LET'S CONSIDER APPROVING THE 20, 22 BOARD OF ALDERMAN NAVY ROSTER.AND THE BOARD ADOPTS THIS MEETING ROSTER FREE CALENDAR YEAR FOR THOSE ROSTER IDENTIFIES THE SECOND FOURTH TUESDAYS OF EACH MONTH HAS REGULAR MEETINGS.
ALL MEETINGS WILL BEGIN AT 6:00 PM.
THAT INFORMATION IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR HAVE QUESTIONS, TYPE IT ON FALSE NOTE, DUE TO THE ELECTION COMING UP AND EVERYTHING.
UM, I THINK, UH, THAT WOULD BE A DECISION WITH THE NEW BOARD COMING IN, UH, TO MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION OF, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING WORKED OUT IN YOUR, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE ON THIS CALENDAR WAS ANY RETREATS FOR, FOR BUDGETS.
AND SO WE WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO ADD THAT WHEN THE NEW BOARD COMES IN, UH, AT THAT BOARD DECIDES THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE SPECIFIC SPECIFIC MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET.
JUST DECIDED NOT TO PUT IT ON THERE AT THIS TIME, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS ADD, OKAY.
UM, IS THE ELECTION THE FIRST TUESDAY OR THE SECOND TUESDAY IN MARCH? I THOUGHT IT WAS MARCH 8TH, MORE TAPE.
CAUSE THAT'S A MEETING DATE HERE.
DO WE WANT TO MAYBE NOT HAVE THAT ON THE CALENDAR SINCE IT'S AN ELECTION DAY, MR. TURNER? I DON'T KNOW.
I PROBABLY WOULD SAY EITHER HAVE IT THE DAY BEFORE DAY AFTER, JUST FOR RESPECT OF PEOPLE AND VOTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON WITH IT'S OUR ELECTION TIME, WOULD IT BE IRELAND? WELL, I DOUBT MANY OF US WOULD BE HERE IF THEY'RE GOING TO MIND, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH BOWLS.
SO I'M JUST, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE DATE WAS, BUT IT'S MORE TODAY FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, IT WAS MARCH THE EIGHTH, BUT WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON.
THAT'S THE ELECTION DAY IS THE ELECTION DAY.
IT'S THE PRIMARY AND EVERYTHING ELSE INCLUDES MORE THAN I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE THE DATES MAYBE WITHOUT THAT DATE OR PUT A DIFFERENT DATE, YOU KNOW, MEET THE NEXT NIGHT OR JUST NOT HAVE A MEETING THAT NIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO IN THAT CASE? WHATEVER YOUR MIND THERE'S, THERE'S NO RULE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CANCEL THE MEETING AND WE DON'T HAVE A QUOTA OF HOW MANY MEETINGS WE NEED TO HAVE AS A BOARD.
SO I SAY GET OFF AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO VOTE AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MEETING ROSTER WITH THE EXCEPTION AND WE EXCLUDE, UH, THE MEETING DATE OF MARCH 8TH.
AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE THE SUB ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN BINGLE? HOW WOULD I MAN, DANGLE OUT A WOMAN HARRIS ASTRA.
[9. Consider Adopting a Resolution Amending Ward Boundaries and Approving a Map of New Bern Ward Boundaries Dated October 26, 2021 .]
SHE CARRIES ITEM NUMBER NINE.THE NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AND MAKING WARD BOUNDARIES AND IMPROVING THE MAP OF THE, OF THOSE BOUNDARIES DATED OCTOBER 26TH, 2021.
ALICE IS HERE AND SHE'S GOING TO GO OVER SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ON THE BATTERS AND SCOTT WILL ALSO PROBABLY CHILD MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UM, SO TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO HOPEFULLY ADOPT OR, UM, YOU'VE WORKED BOUNDARIES.
UM, SO SOME OF THE PROCEDURES WE NEED TO DO OBVIOUSLY IS TO, UM, LIKE WE DID IN 2010, UH, DOCTOR REVOLUTION, UM, THE MAPS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DRAWN.
I WOULDN'T WOULD MAKE MOST OF THE PUBLIC.
THERE WAS ONE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE SINCE THE ONES THAT WE'VE HAD AROUND AT THE LIBRARY AND STUFF.
IT'S THE TWO BLOCKS JUST EAST OF THE CRAVEN TERRACE.
UM, WE'VE ALSO BEEN IN CONTACT IN CONTACT WITH BOARD OF ELECTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THINGS IN PLACE TO QUICKLY GIVE THEM DATA.
AND WE'VE ALREADY SELECTED THE STRUCTURES THAT WOULD BE EFFECTED IN THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 1700 STRUCTURES OR SOME OF THOSE STRUCTURES ARE BOARDED OFF OR UNOCCUPIED.
SO JUST QUICK, LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE'VE GOT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR 2020, WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF LOOKED AT THOSE NOW I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THAT, BUT THIS CENSUS, THERE WAS SOME NEW CATEGORIES AS FAR AS, UM, LIKE SOME OTHER POPULATION TO A MORE POPULATION.
SO THE NEW BOARD MAP, THIS IS, I REALIZE YOU CANNOT SEE THAT, BUT, UM, IT DOES HAVE THE DATE OF BLEW UP THE NUMBERS AND THE NUMBERS ARE MUCH BETTER BALANCED THAN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION.
WARD ONE TOTAL POPULATION WOULD BE 5,024 BASED ON THE 2020 CENSUS.
UM, LITTLE OVER 3000 HOUSING UNITS OR TWO WOULD
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LOOK LIKE THIS POPULATIONS AROUND THERE.5,300 WAS ROUGHLY 2,800 HOUSING UNITS OR THREE WOULD BE ALL COMPLETELY ENCOUNTERED SHIP SEVEN POPULATION ALL OVER 5,100 WOULD ALMOST 3,900 ARMY, SORRY, 2000 HOUSING UNITS.
AND THEY'RE GROWING LIKE CRAZY.
SO THAT NEVER IS INCREASING DAILY.
UM, WARD FOR THE PEOPLE A HUNDRED POPULATION, 2,700 HOUSING UNITS WORK, BOB LIVER, 5,000 POPULATION, 2,400 HOUSING UNITS AND WORKED SIX, ALMOST 5,300 POPULATION WITH 2,600 HOUSING UNITS.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, UH, JUST QUICK, IF ANYBODY WANTED TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR GO BACK AND LOOK AT ANYTHING, CAN YOU BRING ME BACK TO WAR, TO POLICE THE SPOT WHERE MY HOME IS? I CAN'T SEE THE BEHIND IT, BUT WHERE DOES THE LINE END FOR ME? SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT? WHERE IS THE BLACK DOT OR START, BUT MOVING BACK TO WHERE THAT LINE IS, WHAT'S THAT INCLUDES THE BOUNDARIES OF THE VILLAGE IN THE WOODS.
AND THEN IT GOES AROUND PINE TREES.
SO THAT MEANS THE PINE VALLEY APARTMENTS WILL NOW BE IN MY WARD.
IF THIS IS VOTED, THE PINE TREE IS RIGHT BEHIND KIDS VILLE.
SO THEY WERE ALREADY, THEY WERE, THEY WERE, I THOUGHT THEY WERE KINSEY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THE ALDERMAN THAT MET WITH ME AND TALKED WITH ME AND WE MADE SOME CHANGES HERE AND THERE AND I THINK THIS WILL SATISFY THE ADJUSTING THE BOUNDARIES AND ADJUSTED POPULATION.
SO ALEX WILL HAVE A QUESTION FOR SURE.
SO WITH, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR WARDS GETTING ADDITIONAL, UM, RESIDENTS, UM, THIS INFORMATION WILL BE GIVEN TO THE CORRECT.
SO THE ELECTED, THEY ADDRESSES THAT WOULD BE EFFECTED.
I BELIEVE IT IS ROUGHLY 1700 STRUCTURED HOUSING UNITS.
AND LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THOSE ARE BOARDED UP OR OCCUPIED, BUT WE WILL SEND ALL OF THOSE, INCLUDING THE SHAPE AREAS OF THOSE AREAS.
SO THEY CAN DOUBLE CHECK AGAINST HER VOTER REGISTRATIONS AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T, THOSE FOLKS ARE OKAY.
SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOTE, A DOSE CITIZENS ARE NOTIFIED.
THEY SHOULD GET THEIR NEW CHANGE FOR AS THEIR ALDERMAN'S CONCERNED.
AND WE'LL ALSO PUT SOME STUFF ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE MAPS AND THAT THEY CAN LOOK BY ADDRESSES TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE THERE IN THIS WORLD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, ANSWER THIS QUESTION NOT, BUT IF WE GO AHEAD, SUBMIT THIS.
IF WE APPROVE AND SUBMIT THIS WARD CHANGE OR BOUNDARY CHANGE THIS WEEK, WHEN WILL THE FILE DATE THEY DO.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHO THAT ANSWER HAS TO DO WITH THAT? DECEMBER 6TH, DECEMBER SIX IS WHEN WE WOULD FILE.
AND THE ELECTION WOULD BE WHEN MARCH EIGHT, MARCH EIGHT.
AND WHEN WOULD THE NEW BOARD TAKE OFFICE OR TAKE SEAT? THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DETERMINE.
WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT'LL AFFECT IT.
SO IF THERE'S NO RUNOFFS IN LAUNCH, SO AFTER THE MARCH 8TH ELECTION, IF THERE'S NO RUNOFFS FOR THIS BOARD, THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SPORT AT ANY TIME.
IF THERE'S A RUNOFF AND THERE'S NOT A FEDERAL RUNOFF, THEN THE RUNOFF WOULD BE IN APRIL.
IF THERE IS A FEDERAL RUNOFF, SUCH AS THE SENATE, THE UNITED STATES SENATE SEAT, THE RUNOFF WOULD BE IN MAY.
SO IF YOU GO TO APRIL, YOU'D HAVE TO SEEK YOUR BOARD.
THEN AFTER THAT DATE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT DAY, MAY AFTER THAT DATE.
SO WE REALLY WON'T KNOW UNTIL THAT.
AND CERTAINLY GOING TO MESS UP BUDGET TIME.
I THOUGHT WE WERE THROWING AWAY JULY 1ST, BECAUSE, WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD BREAK.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUDGET SEASON AND LET A NEW BOARD.
BUT AGAIN, THIS BOARD HASN'T DISCUSSED THAT AND IT HASN'T, WE DID DISCUSS THAT.
SOME, BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE WILL BE SERVING A FOUR, A FOUR AND A HALF YEAR TERM.
AND THE NEW BOARD WOULD BE SERVING A THREE AND A HALF.
SO WE DID DISCUSS IT, BUT NOT, YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO WHAT DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BOUNDARY MAP? UH, THE RESOLUTION BEFORE,
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DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE IT? ARE YOU EVERYBODY HAPPY WITH IT? THEN I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION OF WHAT? APPROVING THE BOUNDARY AMENDED BOUNDARIES.WHAT ELSE I NEED IN THERE? THAT'S IT.
THIS MOTION WAS HER SECOND MOTION.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION SEEING ON A SOUND ROLL COASTER? YES.
[10. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving Guidelines for Elected and Appointed Boards, Commissions, and Committees Using Personal or Official Social Media Platforms.]
REMEMBER 10 NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING GUIDELINES FOR ELECTED AND APPOINTED BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES USING PERSONAL OR OFFICIAL SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. UH, CITY ATTORNEY DISCUSSED THIS INFORMATION AT THE OCTOBER 12TH MEETING, A FEW MODERATE REVISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE TO THOSE GUIDELINES THAT ARE INDICATED IN THE RED LINE VERSION.EPOD ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR HAVE QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT ABLE TO PULL MY NOTES.
SO MR. SCOTT, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE, WHAT SOME OF THE RED LINE VERSIONS ARE? BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON I'M NOT ABLE TO PULL MY STUFF UP.
MA'AM WE MADE THE CLARIFICATION THAT, UM, ON YOUR PERSONAL SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES, RIGHT? NOT A PAGE WHERE YOU MIGHT BE DISCUSSING A PERSONAL OFFICIAL PAGE, BUT ON YOUR PERSONAL FACEBOOK PAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU'RE DISCUSSING YOUR KIDS AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR VACATIONS, TO THE EXTENT YOU DISCUSS CITY BUSINESS ON THOSE PAGES, YOU'VE GOT TO ARCHIVE WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE THAT, THAT PLATFORM AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
RIGHT? SO PLEASE DON'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE.
I KNOW IT'S EASY TO DO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN AND TRIP, SOCIAL MEDIA PAGE FOR YOUR CLOSE FRIENDS AND FAMILY, DON'T, DON'T DISCUSS ANY CITY BUSINESS.
IF YOU DO, YOU, YOU'VE CREATED A MESS FOR YOURSELF WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP BASICALLY ABANDONING THAT, LETTING EVERYBODY READ IT, AND THEN DOING A SECOND PAGE THAT YOU'LL KEEP PRIVATE.
SCOTT, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, PLEASE.
SOMETIMES THE CITY WILL SEND OUT A JOB ANNOUNCEMENT AND I JUST SHARE THAT ON MY PERSONAL FACEBOOK ACCOUNT, DOES THAT THEY GET, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I WOULD CALL IT AN ADVERTISEMENT.
YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, IT'S LIKE THE LITTLE CARNIVAL THAT WAS THAT PARCEL RECORD.
I THINK A GENERIC PIECE OF NEWS, WHETHER IT'S LIKE THE COUNTY WE'LL GO TO, BUT KNOWING THAT, THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BOTHER ME.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU HAD A TAG THAT SAID, I DON'T LIKE THIS DIFFERENT STORY, NOW YOU GOT AN OPINION ABOUT A PUBLIC MATTER.
BUT AS LONG AS YOU MAKE IT PUBLIC, YOU HAVEN'T BLOCKED ANYBODY.
YOU'RE ABLE TO KEEP THAT AS OPEN AND ALLOW COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION, AND THEN YOU JUST ARCHIVE.
WE'VE GOT AN ARCHIVE AND THEN YOU CANNOT EXCLUDE ANYONE FROM YOUR PERSONAL PAGE.
AND THEN WE MADE, THEN THE ONLY OTHER ADJUSTMENT WAS JUST TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR.
THESE ARE GUIDELINES AND SOME DIRECTION FOR YOU.
THESE ARE NOT RULES OR LAWS OR ABSOLUTE PROCEDURES.
THEY'RE JUST OFFERED TO HELP YOU HELP YOURSELF.
AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, I'M NOT WITH YOU AT HOME TO DISCUSS PUBLIC RECORDS, LAWS, TO DISCUSS LIBEL SLANDER RULES.
YOU'RE TOTALLY ON YOUR OWN WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE ISSUES.
THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT I HOPE ARE HELPFUL TO YOU.
UM, AND RECOGNIZING THAT IF YOU GET YOURSELF IN A JAM, IT WILL BE GETTING YOURSELF IN A JAM AND NOT SO MUCH THE CITY, RIGHT CITY ALWAYS GETS DRUG INTO A PERSONAL PROBLEM.
I GUARANTEE YOU, IF THERE IS A PERSONAL JAM TO BE IN THE CITY, WE'LL BE WITH YOU THERE FOR A MINUTE, BUT OUR INTERESTS WILL BE DIFFERENT.
THE CITY'S INTERESTS WILL BE GETTING IT TO SELF DISMISSED AND GETTING IT GONE.
AND YOU'LL BE LEFT TO FEND FOR YOURSELF TO YOUR OWN LEGAL ISSUE.
UM, IF ANY OF US COMMENT ON ANOTHER POST, A SOCIAL MEDIA POST A PAGE, ANYTHING WE COMMENT AND IT'S MAYBE ANSWERING A CITIZENS QUESTION THEY MAY HAVE,
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HOW ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT RECORD? YOU ARE NOT, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T CONTROL.I WAS MORE ANALOGOUS TO GOING ON.
CHANNEL 12 CAME TO INTERVIEW YOU.
AND YOU SHARED ALL YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT CITY BUSINESS.
THAT IS NOT YOUR PLATFORM, YOUR MEETING, AND YOU'RE NOT IN CONTROL OF THAT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE IF YOU DID, IF YOU COULD SCREENSHOT OR CAPTURE IT, THAT IF YOU FELT THAT YOU NEEDED TO COMMENT ON SOME OTHER POSTS, IT WOULDN'T HURT.
UM, BUT THERE'S TOO MANY TIMES WHERE YOU ARE ASKED TO COMMENT AND DO THINGS THAT CAN, YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE PLATFORM TO RETAIN IT SCOTT, TO ADD TO WHAT, UM, ALDERMAN ALDERMAN WAS SAYING IN REGARDS TO THAT, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY TRYING TO, UM, HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING ON HOW WE GET TO SEPARATE OURSELVES AS JIMMY HSA HARRIS FROM OLDER WOMEN HAIRS.
UM, IF I WAS TO GO AND MAKE A COMMENT ON ANOTHER PAGE, ANSWERING A QUESTION, SHOULD I DO IT AS ALL THE WOMEN HARRIS USING THAT PROFILE? OR BECAUSE IF I, IF I WANT TO GO AND MAKE A COMMENT, SAY THERE'S A BUSINESS AND I PATRONIZED IT AND I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD IT, WHATEVER.
AM I ALLOWED TO DO THAT? EVEN THOUGH I REPRESENT THE CITY AS WELL, WHEN I'M SITTING ON THIS BOARD, AM I ALLOWED TO HAVE PERSONAL VIEWPOINTS ON ANYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THE CITY? OR DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL I'M NO LONGER IN OFFICE? YES.
UM, TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, IF, IF ANY OF YOU, AND I KNOW YOU DO, YOU NEED TO, TO BE A GOOD PUBLIC SERVANT, YOU, YOU RESPOND TO QUESTIONS.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT THROUGH YOUR OFFICIAL SITES.
THE EXTENT YOU CAN, IF YOU ARE AN UNHAPPY CONSUMER WITH SERVICE THAT YOU GOT, OR THE BRAND OF CAR THAT YOU DRIVE, I WOULD NOT USE YOUR OFFICIAL SITE BECAUSE THAT STARTS TAINTING THE CITY AND DRAGS THE CITY INTO A FORD CHEVY DISPUTE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE CORRECT.
CAUSE I WAS ASKED, THIS IS PERTAINING TO YOU IN REGARDS TO THE CITY TALK.
SURE, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A POLICY OR ANYTHING SHE'S NOT RELIABLE OR NEEDS TO ARCHIVE ANY OF THE STUFF THAT SHE TALKS ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO CITY, SHE DIDN'T TALK.
SHE STILL HAS TO, EVEN IF IT'S NOT AND THAT'S, I, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION AGAIN.
WHEN I SAY THAT THESE ARE NOT LAWS, I SIMPLY MEAN THAT WE ARE NOT ADOPTING SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE STAFF TO GO OUT AND ENFORCE AND DEAL WITH.
UM, THESE ARE OFFERED TO YOU TO BE HELPFUL TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
ALL OF YOU CAN IGNORE ALL OF THIS TO YOUR GREAT DETRIMENT BECAUSE SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE UNHAPPY.
IF YOU ARE VIOLATING THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON IT.
AND IF SOMEBODY DRAGS ME INTO IT, I'M GOING TO SAY THEY DID IT.
WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT PLATFORM.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN PLATFORMS AND I'VE GOT STAFF AND PLENTY OF PEOPLE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY AND DEPARTMENT HEADS.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CONTROL THAT I WORRY ABOUT.
BUT WHEN IT'S YOUR STUFF, THESE GUIDELINES ARE HERE TO HELP YOU.
AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLY ON WE'RE NOW ONE OF THREE OR FOUR CITIES IN THE ENTIRE STATE THAT EVEN HAS THESE GUIDELINES.
AND I'VE STRUGGLED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT WHAT TO DO.
AND I'VE, I'VE AIRED NOW ON THE SIDE OF TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME EDUCATION SO THAT IF YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A JAM, YOU'LL AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO GO BY, WHICH IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED.
THE RESOLUTION APPROVING GUIDELINES WERE ELECTED AND APPOINTED OR ITS COMMISSION COMMITTEES USING PERSONAL AND OFFICIAL SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. SECOND MOTION.
AND SECOND IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEE ON THE SOUND ROLL CALL STARTED WITHOUT THEM BEING OLD.
HARRIS ASKED HER MAYOR ORDERING KINSEY ALDERMAN, BEST ALDERMAN ITEM.
[11. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a General Warranty Deed between Habitat for Humanity of Craven County NC, Stephen Wood and Robin Powell, and the City of New Bern for 1707 Moore Avenue.]
NUMBER 11.YOUR NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION PROVEN A GENERAL WARRANTY DEED BETWEEN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF PRAVEN COUNTY, STEVEN WOOD AND ROBIN PAL, AND THE CITY OF NEWBURGH FOR 1707 MOORE AVENUE ON SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2019, THE CITY APPROVED THE CONVEYANCE OF THE MOORE AVENUE ADDRESS TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR LOW AND MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES, HABITAT HAS SUBSEQUENTLY CONSTRUCTED THE HOME ON THE PROPERTY AND INTENDS TO TRANSFER THE HOME TO A BUYER BY EXECUTING A DEED TRANSFER OWNERSHIP TO THE BUYER.
THE CITY WILL RELEASE ANY RIGHTS RETAINED UNDER A TRANSFER AND REVERSION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND HABITAT A
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MEMO FROM THE ATTORNEY IS ATTACHED.HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, OR HAVE JUST A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY.
I ASSUME THAT WE CAN'T DO THIS WHEN WE INITIALLY GIVE HIM THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THE END HOMEOWNER'S GOING TO BE.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES TO ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS USED CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUTE TO LOW AND MODERATE INCOME.
AND THIS SIGN-OFF IS YOU'LL RELEASE.
WE'D NOT RESOLUTION APPROVING A GENERAL WARRANTY DEED BETWEEN HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF CRAIG COUNTY, STEVEN WOOD, ROBERT POWELL, AND THE CITY OF NEWBURGH FOR 1707 MOORE AVENUE, SECOND MOTION.
AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE LET'S HAVE REAL COUGH STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ODOM.
OTTOMAN ASKS OUT A WOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN BINGO.
[12. Consider Adopting a Resolution to Accept Ownership and Maintenance of Watercrest Loop in the Carolina Colours Subdivision.]
MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER 12.THE NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF WATERCRESS LOOP IN THE CAROLINA KILLER SUBDIVISION.
THE CITY RECEIVED A REQUEST TO ACCEPT OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT STREET.
PUBLIC WORKS ASKED PERFORMED OF THE BUILT TO STANDARDS INSPECTION.
THEY CONFIRMED THAT THE STREET HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED TO MEET THE CITY'S STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE STREET BE ACCEPTED TO WAS CHARLES IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I LIKE TO MAKE MOTION THAT WE HAD THAT RESOLUTION TO SET THE OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF WATERCRESS LOOP IN CAROLINA COLORS SUBDIVISION.
AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD CALLED, UM, COULD, COULD SCOTT OR, OR GEORGE OR SOMEBODY EXPLAINED THE ONE YEAR, TWO YEAR SITUATION ON THE WARRANTY, PLEASE.
THERE HAD BEEN SOME PRIOR DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A WARRANTY PERIOD BE EXTENDED TO TWO YEARS WHEN THERE WAS A STAKEHOLDERS GROUP WITH CITY STAFF AND CONTRACTORS AND DEVELOPERS.
AND SOMEHOW THAT FORM WAS, WAS CREATED.
BUT THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY SAYS IT'S A ONE-YEAR ONE-YEAR WARRANTY PERIOD.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SAY THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE NEED TO UPDATE THE ORDINANCE AT A FUTURE MEETING TO ENSURE IT'S TWO YEARS AND NOT ONE BEING HARDSHIP ON A DEVELOPER WITH THAT VERSUS A YEAR.
I NEED TO PULL THE STATUTE AND, UM, AND SEE IF THE STATUTE EVEN AUTHORIZES ANY FLEXIBILITY ON THAT.
I MEAN, UM, WHEN WE'RE LIVING, WE'RE TAKING OVER THESE ROADS.
IF YOU TAKE OVER A ROAD TOO EARLY, YOU GOT 30 LOTS, THERE'S TWO HOUSES, YOU GOT 28 MORE HOUSES WITH CONCRETE TRUCKS AND 18 WHEELERS AND ALL KINDS OF DAMAGE TO THE ROAD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO START MAINTAINING.
UM, THE DAMAGES, IF THERE ARE SOME WILL BE BETWEEN THE WOOD BAY BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE BUILDER, IF HE DIDN'T TAKE ROADS.
SO ALL THESE ARE DIFFERENT HALF THAT POOLS ARE ABSOLUTES, UH, IN THIS CASE.
UM, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A ONE YEAR WARRANTY.
IF IT'S ON A COLD SACK, NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC, A COUPLE OF POTHOLES, WHATEVER PATCH THEM BE DONE WITH, IF IT'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND THERE'S A HUNDRED LOTS OF PAST THAT ROAD, THEN THERE'S AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL DAMAGE THAT COULD BE DONE TO THAT BECAUSE THIS IN THE EARLY STAGE OF ABSORPTION OF THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT ALWAYS, UH, UH, EASY DECISIONS AS TO WHEN TO MAKE, TO, TO ACCEPT THAT THEY, THAT THE FLIP OF IT IS IF YOU WAIT TOO LONG AND THE DEVELOPER, IF HE DID LEAVE TOWN AND DIDN'T KEEP THE PAYMENT UP ON HIS OWN, HIS PERFORMANCE BOND, THEN YOU GOT A ROAD WITH NO MAINTENANCE, NO DEVELOPER, NO CITY STAY IN THE DONUT HOLE, NO MAN'S LAND.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE WATCHING TORN LEGS INDIVIDUALLY AS TO WHEN I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THEM OVER.
UM, BIG QUESTION, JUST LIKE NCD OT AT CERTAIN POINT, WHEN A SEMI HOMES ON THE ROAD, THEY'LL TAKE IT OVER.
DO WE HAVE ANY TYPE POLICY FOR THAT? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE EVER SEE, BUT IN THIS CASE ON WATERCRESS, MOST OF THE LOTS ARE GETTING TO BUILD DOWN RIGHT NOW, SQUAT, THE DEVELOPER WAITED
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AND WE ALLOWED THEM TO WAIT.WE WEREN'T A PUSH TO, TO ACCEPT THIS ROAD.
AND THEY'RE AT A POINT THAT, UM, WE'RE COMFORTABLE TAKING IT.
AND I THINK WE'VE COME A LONG WAY.
AS YOU SAID, WITH THE BONDING AND OVERSIGHT OF THE BONDING AND ACTUALLY THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT READY TO ACCEPT ROADS THAT ARE, LIKE YOU SAY, THOROUGHFARES TO CONSTRUCT SOMETHING.
AND I'M MORE BELABORING THIS OVER THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS A RELATIVELY MA'AM I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEXT ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO, AS IT WERE STILL IN THE EARLY STAGE THERE.
SO YEAH, RIGHT NOW THIS, UH, THE, THE SECOND ONE, THE THAT'S ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, DOWNY DRIVE IS THE ROAD LOCATED IN FRONT OF HOW WE PATROL STATION.
UM, THE BASE MATERIALS ON THAT ROAD FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE THE HIGHWAY PATROL STATION WAS EVER CONSTRUCTED.
WE SAW NO DAMAGE DURING THAT PHASE WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE HUB PATROL STATION, THEY PUT FINAL LIFT OR THE WEARING COURSE ON AND FEEL COMFORTABLE TAKING THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER 700 FEET OF ROADS.
WE'RE NOT TAKING, UH, WEST NEWBURN PARKWAY OR THE ACCESS RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU, YOU, DO YOU THINK POSSIBLY, UM, SOME POLICIES SHOULD BE IN PLACER.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY THESE DEVELOPERS DO NOT COME IN UNTIL AFTER THE FACT TILL, TILL THE CONSTRUCTION IS PRETTY MUCH, I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE A RIDE OVER TO EARLY.
AND THE CITY MAY RESPONSIBLE FOR AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT, UM, DAMAGE BECAUSE OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA.
AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SECOND THAT WITH THE MAYOR, BECAUSE WE HAVE ROADS I'VE MET WITH YOU STREETS IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED.
AND IF WE TAKE THIS OVER AND SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE'RE PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS A NEWER DEVELOPMENT AND NOT TAKING CARE OF THE OLD INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UH, AND I AGREE WITH YOU BOTH ON THAT AS WELL.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TEXT THIS OWNERSHIP PHONE TO, TO SOME.
AND LIKE I SAY, WE, WE DO LOOK AT IT AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, RIGHT.
UM, WE JUST FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE STATE OF THIS ROAD.
AND THEN THE TIME IT SAT BEFORE THERE WAS ANY CONSTRUCTION ON IT THAT IT'S HELD UP DURING CONSTRUCTION OF A COMMERCIAL FACILITY, WE DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT WAS ON AN ONLINE SITE.
I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SOME ROWS OUT OF YOUR WAY WE'VE TAKEN OVER AND YOU'D GET SOME ISSUES THERE WITH SOME DAMAGE TO SOME OF THEM.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, BUT THE DAMAGE DID THE ROADS TO ROADS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT AND ARE NOT CITY ROADS NOW, BUT WATERCRESS, WATERCRESS LOOP, I THINK THERE'S ONLY LIKE EIGHT LOTS THERE, RIGHT? IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL LITTLE CIRCLE AND THEN ARE ALL THE HOUSES UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IF NOT, THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO VACANT, LOTS LEFT IN THERE, BUT JUST ABOUT BUILT-OUT OKAY.
I HAD THAT SAME PROBLEM IN PINE CHRIS, WHEN THE, WHEN THE DEVELOPER WENT IN, UM, HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO COME BACK AND COMPLETE THE ROAD BECAUSE THE OWNER DO HAVE TO START OUT WITH, AND THAT HALF WAS DAMAGE.
SO TO GO BACK IN AND PUT THE OTHER TO COMPLETE THE PAVING, UM, THE DAMAGE IS ALREADY DONE.
SO NOW YOU HAVE A HASH, A HALF PATCH ROAD.
SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR'S CONCERN IS AND MINE AS WELL, BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY HAD EXPERIENCED AND IT TAKEN THEM LIKE FOUR YEARS TO FIX THAT STREET.
AND WE GAVE HIM JUST THAT MUCH LONG TO FIX IT.
SO WHAT, THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN THESE GUYS? I THINK IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY IN ONE, HOW WE HANDLE THE BONDING OVERSIGHT OF THE ROADS.
AND TWO, WE HAVE IN THAT 18 MONTHS, WE'VE HIRED ALL A, AN INSPECTOR THAT IS ACTUALLY WATCHING ALL OF THESE ROADS, BE CONSTRUCTED FROM THE PIPES, GOING INTO THE GROUND, TO THE BOXES AND SUBGRADE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL OVERSIGHT ON THESE ROADS AS THEY'RE BEING BUILT, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE IN THE PAST.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO PROVIDE AS MUCH OF AN ASSURANCE, UM, IN THE FUTURE AS ANYTHING.
SO GIVE ME AN IDEA WHEN YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT YOU.
SO LOOK AT ONE YEAR, TWO YEAR, THREE YEARS, FOUR IT'S I BELIEVE ONE YEAR IS ALL THAT IS ALL THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO REQUEST A WARRANTY.
WELL, SOME OF US ON BOARD, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE STAFF AWARE THAT WE DO GET CALLS FROM, FROM RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT, WE DON'T MAINTAIN A RIDE, THE DEVELOPERS LEFT, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WE CAN ASSURE THEM THAT WE CAN DO TO REMEDY THEIR PROBLEM BECAUSE MAYBE PREVIOUS STAFF OR LIKE OFFICIALS WERE OF NOT ON TOP OF THE GAME HERE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A SAFE, PASSABLE, SAFE ROAD THAT CITY MAINTAINS
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WHEN IT'S TIME FOR US TO MAINTAIN.AND THAT HAS BEEN BUILT OF HOW ENOUGH INTEGRITY IS TO WEAR, YOU KNOW, A REASONABLE WEAR AND TEAR CYCLE OF MAYBE 10 OR 20 YEARS OF SEX BEFORE WE HAVE TO GO IN AND DO SOME MAJOR REPAIRS TO HER.
ARE WE PAYING MR.
UM, ALDERMAN ASKED HER WITH THE WELL, CAUSE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
DID THIS MEET THE CRITERIA FOR A FIRE TRUCK AND EMERGENCY VEHICLE? OH YEAH.
AND IF IT DIDN'T MEET THE ORDINANCE, YOU MIGHT HAVE A HELICOPTER IN THAT.
I'VE MADE THE MOTION, YOU KNOW.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES.
HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ODOM, ALDERMAN ITEM, OUTER MENDEZ, ALDERMAN KINSEY, MAY YOUR OUTLAW ALDERMAN ASKED HER OUT A WOMAN HARRIS, ALDERMAN BENGAL.
[13. Consider Adopting a Resolution to Accept Ownership and Maintenance of Downey Drive in the West New Bern Development.]
13.AND YOUR NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT THE OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF DOWNEY DRIVE IN THE WEST NEWBURN DEVELOPMENT CITY RECEIVED THIS REQUEST, UH, FROM THE WESTERN DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THE FORKS HAS PERFORMED TO BUILD STANDARDS, INSPECTION, AND CONFIRMED THAT THE STREET HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED TO MEET THE CITY STREET DESIGN STANDARDS AND CREDENTIALING QUESTIONS.
YOU MAY HAVE WELL, AS I RECALL, UH, ALL OF THE BEST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT THERE LOOKING AT THAT DRAINAGE.
AND I MEAN, THAT ROAD IS PRETTY WELL BUILT AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.
DID YOU, THIS IS THE ONE OUT IN FRONT OF THE HIGHWAY PATROL, RIGHT.
BUT WE TALK ABOUT A ONE-YEAR WARRANTY.
AND THAT THE REASON THAT PARTICULAR AREA IS NOT EVEN HALFWAY FINISHED, UH, THIS IS, UM, MR. CHARLES, IF YOU WOULD, THIS IS THE ROAD SECTION, AS I RECALL RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THE HIGHWAY PATROL, CORRECT? TH THIS IS A LITTLE OVER 700 FEET.
IT FROM WHERE YOU TURN RIGHT OFF THE WEST NEIGHBOR PARKWAY ALL TODAY ONLY DRIVE RUNS DOWN IN FRONT OF THE HIGHWAY PATROL STATION, AND I BELIEVE ONE OTHER COMMERCIAL LAW, AND THEN THERE'S A DADDY AND WHERE IT TERMINATES AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE LIMIT OF OUR ACCEPTANCE.
AND IS IT COMPLETELY BUILT UP AS WELL? DERIVE? NO.
IS IT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY GOING IN THERE OR IS IT THERE? THERE'S ONE VACANT LOT.
THERE'S ONE VACANT OUT PARCEL AND THERE IS, UM, THE HIGHWAY PATROL STATION AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S IN THERE.
AND THAT'S ALL THIS GOING TO BE IN THERE FOR RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT TOTALLY FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE EXTRA LAND IN THERE, BUT THE ROAD ENDS, WILL THAT ROAD BE EXTENDED? I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ABSURD OR Y'ALL CLARIFYING, MR. DAVIS SAID THE ROAD PART WHERE THE IT'LL HAVE A DEMARCATION OF WHAT WERE ACCEPTED IN THE NIGHT VERSUS IF THERE'S AN EXTENSION.
SO IF WE ACCEPT THIS AND THERE'S AN EXTENSION, ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXTENSION OR YOU'RE JUST ACCEPTING THAT THE PORTION OF THAT EXISTS ON THE OFFICIAL MAP? YES.
WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
WE ADOPT RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF DOWNEY DRIVING.
WHAT'S NEWER DEVELOPMENT, SECOND MOTION.
AND SECOND, IS THERE A DISCUSSION, UH, SAY SEVERAL CALLS STARTED WITH ALL THE BAGELS.
YES, NO, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
I SHOULDN'T CARRIES ON NUMBER 14.
[14. Consider Adopting a Resolution to Approve a Change Order with Trader Construction Company for the Hurricane Florence Category A Drainage Ditch Project Within the Jack Smith Creek Drainage Basin.]
YOUR NEXT ITEM HAS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE A CHANGE ORDER WITH TRADER CONSTRUCTION FOR THE HURRICANE FLORENCE CAT, A DRAINAGE DITCH PROJECT WITHIN THE JACK SMITH CREEK DRAINAGE BASIN.WE'RE GOING TO ASK MR. CHARLES TO COME UP TO EXPLAIN THIS.
WE HAD ORIGINALLY BROUGHT, BROUGHT THIS, UM, WHEN TRADER CONSTRUCTION WAS AWARDED THE ORIGINAL BID AND, AND THE WAY ALL OF THESE CAT A PROJECTS HAVE BEEN BID OUT, IT WAS BASED ON ESTIMATED QUANTITIES.
AND IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE'VE RUN INTO IS ONE, THE ESTIMATED QUANTITIES OF WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DIGGING OUT OR REMOVING, WHETHER IT BE SEDIMENT OR VEGETATION HAS BEEN MORE THAN WHAT WAS ESTIMATED.
SO WE'VE GOT AN INCREASE ON THAT END.
AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A SECOND SECTION THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED BY GRAPE RAIDING ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACKS, BASICALLY BEHIND JT BARBER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE IN THIS WORK.
AND THAT IS REFLECTED IN THIS INCREASE IN MAIL.
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WHAT WILL ACTUALLY END UP GETTING PAID IS THE ACTUAL REMOVAL AMOUNT.SO WHILE THESE ARE ALL ESTIMATED AMOUNTS, TETRA TECH ON SITE, UM, OVERSEE AND THE REMOVAL, WE HAVE SLIPPED TICKETS ON EVERYTHING THAT GETS REMOVED FROM THE SITE.
SO IT'S STILL ONLY PAID ON ACTUAL AMOUNTS FOR, FROM THE GENERAL FUND ON THIS.
WHAT, WHAT WAS IT COWS TO GENERAL FUND ANYTHING.
SO TH THIS WILL BE AN INCREASE OF 148,000, $195.
HERE'S THE LADY THAT CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION RIGHT THERE.
UM, LET ME ASK YOU ONE THING, I THINK I'LL REMEMBER KENZIE AN HOUR, ONE DAY, AND THEY WERE TRYING TO TAKE A BOBCAT BACK THERE.
THEY WERE, UM, DOING SOME, THEY WERE CLEANING OUT SOME DEBRIS AND STUFF IN THE CREEK.
UM, WHERE ARE THEY? WHERE ARE THEY PUTTING ALL OF THOSE HOLES? IT GOES TO THE CRAIG FIELD TEST SCORE AND THAT, AND THAT WAS A FEMA FREMONT REQUIREMENTS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE HAD SOME AREA BACK THERE.
YOU HAD BEEN ABLE TO MITIGATE THOSE, UH, ME NOT TOO COLD.
SO MR. CHOW, THIS IS GOING TO COVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE BY MOVING UP TO SIMMONS STREET, IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN AS CLOSER TO THE SECTION.
THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND JT BARNWELL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
THERE'S ONE SECTION THAT DITCH IN THERE THAT WAS NOT A BA THEY, THEY DIDN'T SEE THE AMOUNT OF SEDIMENT IN IT UNTIL THE FIRST SECTIONS WERE CLEANED OUT.
SO WE HAD THE CONSULTANTS COME BACK, REEVALUATE THAT SECTION AND NOW IN THIS CONTRACTOR.
WHAT ABOUT THE AREA OF NEARBY THE RAILROAD TRACKS COMING FROM EVERGREEN CEMETERY DOWN TO SIMMONS STREET? THAT AREA HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED AND THERE'S DEBRIS TREES, EVERYTHING DOWN ON THAT SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
I'LL HAVE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT, WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD ME LAST TIME.
AND HERE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS AGAIN, A LOT OF THE CONSULTANTS WALK THESE DITCHES AND FROM THEIR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, THAT DETERMINED WHAT WAS RELATED TO HURRICANE FLORENCE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO INCLUDE IN THESE CONTRACTS.
AND SO I I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHY THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THOSE, THOSE ITEMS. OKAY.
AND BECAUSE I KNOW ONE TIME IT WAS AT ONE POINT WHERE HE WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH GETTING, UM, PERMITS BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD COMPANY.
AND THEY'VE BEEN RESOLVED THAT HAS AN S REFLECTED IN THIS PRICE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FLAGGERS AND CORRESPOND WITH THE RAILROAD TO GET INTO THOSE AREAS.
I THINK YOU, UM, CHANGING HOW MUCH CAT A HAVE YOU Y'ALL READY FOR BILLING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
WE'VE BEEN ON TOP OF IT GETTING REIMBURSED AT LEAST MONTHLY.
WE'VE BEEN SUBMITTING REIMBURSEMENTS MONTHLY.
DID WE, DID WE RECEIVE ANY WHILE WE WAITING ON LIKE $1.9 MILLION? OKAY.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
SO MEANWHILE, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING A CHANGE ORDER.
WE TRADED CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FOR HURRICANE FLORENCE CAT, A DRAINAGE DITCH PROJECT WITHIN THE DRAX SMITH CREEK DRAINAGE BASIN.
AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTED WITH ALDERMAN ODOM, ALDERMAN ITEM.
ALDERMAN BEST ALDERMAN KINSEY.
MAY YOUR OUTLASH OTTOMAN ASTRO AUTO WOMAN HARRIS OTTOMAN BIG
[15. Consider Adopting a Budget Ordinance Amendment for FY2021- 22.]
NUMBER 15.I THINK THE NEXT TIME CONSIDER A BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR F Y 2122 AND THE IS GOING TO CARRY US THROUGH THAT.
SO THIS BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT RE-ESTABLISHES ENCUMBRANCES FOR ADDITIONAL PURCHASE ORDERS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING IN FISCAL YEAR 21.
UM, THEY WILL BE HONORED IN FISCAL YEAR 22.
THESE PURCHASE ORDERS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ONES THAT WERE ROLLED OVER IN SEPTEMBER.
UM, AT THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING, THIS AMENDMENT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES $20,000 IN REVENUE FROM MAGIC.
MIDWAYS THE TRAVELING CARNIVAL THAT RENTED LAWSON CREEK PARK INAPPROPRIATE SOURCE FUNDS FOR THE HENDERSON PARK PROJECT.
ADDITIONALLY, $13,670 WILL BE APPROPRIATED FROM FUND BALANCE, UM, OR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PARKS AND RECS 2018 FORD ESCAPE.
THAT WAS A TOTAL OF IN AN ACCIDENT INSURANCE BOTTLES OF APPROXIMATELY $21,330
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WILL BE APPLIED TO THE COVER.THE $35,000, PLEASE, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONSIDER ADOPTING THE BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 21, 22 MOTION.
AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING ON SEVERAL CALLS STARTING WITH, WITH BINGO? I DON'T REMEMBER.
OR THE WOMAN HARRIS ALDERMAN ASKED HER MAYOR ORDERING KINSEY.
[16. Discussion of Surplus Real Property.]
MAY OR THE NEXT ITEM IS A DISCUSSION ON SURPLUS REAL PROPERTY.LAST BOARD MEETING THE ALDERMEN ASKED US TO BRING THIS SURPRISE PROPERTY BACK TO THIS NEXT MEETING.
SO JEFFREY JERRY IS HERE TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION, UH, SPORT A LITTLE BIT PRESENTED.
ARE YOU QUESTION? OH, UM, I DO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE LIST HERE.
UM, BUT I KNOW THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARCELS WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AREA THAT THE CITY HAS NOT, UH, DEEDED TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THAT WERE BOTH JOINTLY OWNED.
SO DO WE, CAN WE SEE A LIST OF THOSE BECAUSE THERE'S STILL PROBABLY SEVERAL OUTSTANDING PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THAT WE HAVEN'T DEEDED OVER.
AND WE MAY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DEED THOSE OTHER WORK, FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THEM DOWN SO WELL AND PULL ALICE, I'VE ASKED YOU, DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THAT LIST? JEFF CAN TALK THROUGH CALLING WAS GOING TO PULL IT UP.
SO WE WENT THIS AFTERNOON, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE CITY-OWNED PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY IN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AREA.
UM, WE PULLED OUT THE ONES THAT WERE EITHER ALREADY THROUGH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
AND SO THESE WERE THE ONES OF MINOR STANDING THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT, WANTING TO LOOK AT THAT WERE EITHER CITY OR C COUNTY THAT ARE INSIDE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
WE ALSO AN OFFER AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST OF THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE FOR SALE SIDE FOODS THAT ARE UNDER THE HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW OR WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON OUR FOR SALE SITE.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAD A LIST OF IN OUR PACKET, THE HIGHLIGHTED ONES ON THE BOTTOM.
SO THEN THE ONES ON THE TOP, ALL OF THOSE OTHER ONES THAT ARE THEY JUST IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, CORRECT.
BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DEEDED OVER TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, ACCORDING TO THE ATTACKS LISTENING, THEY'RE STILL BELONG TO WHO I'VE GOT LISTED THERE.
SO WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR TRYING TO WORK TO GET THEM BECAUSE I'M SURE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION COULD USE THESE.
WE GO TO, I, I BELIEVE, UH, MR. DAVIS, YOU WENT THROUGH AND PULLED ALL THE, JUST CITY OWNED ONES OUT ORIGINALLY IN THAT FIRST BATCH OF THE DATE.
WELL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, WE DID A SCATTER MAP OF ALL THE CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, CITY ONLY OWNED PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THEN FROM THAT LIST, YOU DETERMINED WHICH ONES WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA YOU WANTED TO CONVEY TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION BECAUSE IT WAS NOT EXCLUSIVE.
THERE WAS SOME, COULD YOU PUT THE LIST DOWN SO I COULD SEE THE TOP ABOVE THE YELLOW LINE.
THAT'S ABOVE THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AREA BECAUSE, OH, THESE ARE ALL IN THERE.
SO, SO THE ONLY THING WE TOOK UP IN THE PAST WAS WHICH CITY OWNED AND I SAY CITY VERSUS CITY COUNTY.
AND SO WHICH CITY OWNED PROPERTIES WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION SHOULD BE CONVEYED TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND THAT WAS DONE.
IT WAS NOT EVERY LAST LOT THAT DAY'S HOTEL WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SEVERAL PARCELS THAT THE BOARD DID NOT WANT TO CONVEY AT THIS TIME.
UM, IT IS POSSIBLE SINCE THEN THE CITY HAS INDIVIDUALLY ACQUIRED A LOT OR TWO SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY THAT HAPPENS THROUGH DONATIONS.
SOMETIMES MORE COMMONLY THE CITY ACQUIRES AN INTEREST IN PROPERTIES THROUGH TAX FORECLOSURES, AND THOSE WILL BE CALLED CITY COUNTY PARCELS.
SOME OF WHICH ARE LOCATED IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
AND WE DON'T CONVEY THOSE TO THE REDEVELOP COMMISSION BECAUSE IT IS, UM, UH, PECULIAR TO CONVEY A PARTIAL INTEREST IN A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THE RELATIVE MINT.
WE DEVELOPED THE COMMISSION NOW MAKING THEM A PARTNER IN THE PROPERTY WITH THE COUNTY.
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UH, QUESTION, GO AHEAD.OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY IF, UM, IS THERE A WAY TO PROBABLY HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY IN REGARDS TO THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE REDEVELOPMENT TO SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE IT TO US SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LEAD IT OVER TO THE REDEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE I THINK IF WE SELL OR THERE'S ANY WAY TO SELL THEM OR TURN THEM INTO HOMES, RIGHT.
THAT MONEY CAN GO BACK INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S LESS MONEY THAT'S COMING NECESSARILY FROM THE BOARD OF ALL THE MEN.
AND IT'S A FORM OF KEEPING THEM.
I THINK IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF PUTTING FORTH A SOLID PRESENTATION TO THE COUNTY TO CREATE A COMFORT LEVEL THAT THEY ARE CONVEYING THEIR INTEREST IN REAL PROPERTY.
UM, THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, UM, AND BEING PUT TOWARDS SOME PRIVATE USE, UM, THAT GENERATES A TAX BASE OR SOME PUBLIC USE THAT BENEFITS THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.
THAT'S A CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
SO IF SOMEONE, UM, WANTED TO PURCHASE A PIECE OF THESE, A PIECE OF HIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD COME TO THE CITY AND THE CITY SAY, SORRY, WE CAN'T SELL THEM.
COULD THEY GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY, WE WANT TO BUY YOUR INTEREST? I MEAN, HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE THE COUNTY'S GOING TO CALL ME AND SAY, WE JUST GOT AN OFFER TO BUY OUR 62 AND A HALF PERCENT INTEREST.
IS THE CITY INTERESTED IN SELLING THEIR PERCENTAGE INTEREST? AND I'M GOING TO SAY, I CAN GO FIND OUT.
UM, SO THAT THAT'S REALLY A CUMBERSOME WAY TO DO IT.
I KNOW WE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE.
IT HAS SAID ON THE BOARD BEFORE, BUT I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE TAX VALUES.
AND I MEAN, WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LIKE $10,000 FOR MARKET VALUE AND WE JUST LET IT WALK.
I REALLY UNDERSTAND YOU AND REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT WE ONLY DO 25% BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING NICKELS ON A DOLLAR HERE FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES.
LIKE I WOULD WANT TO GET $10,800.
I WOULD WANT TO GET $27,000 THAT MONEY COULD BE REINVESTED INTO THE CITY.
QUESTION SCOTT, UH, THE PROPERTY THAT IS ALREADY IN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONS, UH, AREA, UM, THAT'S THE PROPERTY THAT THEY COULD SALE.
BUT IT HAS TO BE DEEDED FROM US OVER TO THEM IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
I WOULD SEE IF WE CAN GET THE COUNTY TO SUPPORT THE INITIATIVE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SOLD TO PEOPLE, OR, I MEAN, DEED IT OVER TO THE REDEVELOPMENT AND ALLOW THEM TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS OF CAN THEY ACTUALLY MAKE THEIR OWN, UM, PROCESS IN REGARDS TO WHETHER THEY TAKE, UM, TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT OR TAX VALUE BECAUSE THEIR WHOLE GOVERNING BOARD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE TO GET YOUR PERMISSION IN THE END.
WELL, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA IF WE CAN GET THESE PROPERTIES TO THE REDEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE IT'S A FORM OF INCOME COMING IN, I'M WILLING TO EVEN, UM, HELP FACILITATE, MAYBE TALK TO A CANDIDATE PERMISSION AND TO SEE IF WE CAN'T GET SOME DISCUSSION, GOING TO GET A LIST OF THESE AREAS AND SEE WHAT THEY'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
UM, JUST SCOTT FOR CURIOSITY, SAY, SO I SEE THAT THESE ARE JOINTLY OWNED BY THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, BUT SOME LISTS THE CITY'S ADDRESS AS THE OWNER'S ADDRESS.
AND SOME THAT LIST, THE COUNTY'S ADDRESSES THE OWNERS ADDRESS.
IS THERE ANY REASON FOR THAT SCOTT AND YOUR RECOLLECTION, HAS THE COUNTY EVER NOT GIVEN UP THEIR INTEREST? NO, SIR.
WHEN THERE IS A SALE, SO, AND THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY HAVE BEEN A GOOD PARTNER TO US WHEN WE'VE PRESENTED THEM A PROPOSAL TO, UM, USE PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY TIME THAT THEY HAVE SAID NO TO US, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS VERBALIZED THE PROCESS AND HAD A PLAN B IF THE PROCESS FELL THROUGH SO THEY WOULD GET THEIR INTEREST BACK.
SO SOME OB ONE OF THE TOUGHEST THINGS I'VE HAD TO LEARN TO DEAL WITH BEING ON THE BOARD IN EIGHT YEARS IS HOW SLOW THINGS MOVE AND GOVERNMENT, UM, IS, IS GETTING THE COUNTY TO AGREE TO THIS.
SO THIS CAN BE DEED OVER TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, JUST GOING TO DELAY THIS PROCESS FOR THREE MONTHS, WHENEVER WE COULD GO TO THE COUNTY AND THEY COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING OR SOMETHING TO SAY, ANY PROPERTY WE HAVE IN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION IS FAIR GAME.
WE WILL NOT OBJECT TO A SALE TO IT.
SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THIS PROPERTY.
IF IT'S NOT LEGALLY DEEDED TO THE REBUILDING COMMISSION, AT LEAST LET THEM ALL BE OPEN.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WHEN THIS BOARD VOTED TO PUT A HALT ON SELLING PROPERTY AND REDEVELOP THE COMMISSION, I THINK I VOTED NO AGAINST IT.
AND SO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION HAS NOW BEEN IN PLACE FOR TWO YEARS AND WE'VE STILL
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GOT PROPERTY THAT HAS SOME VALUE AND SOME BENEFIT THAT COULD BE USED AND WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE IT ADVERTISED OR OPEN FOR.SO, SO MY QUESTION IS TAKING OUT ANY STRATEGIC PROPERTIES THAT WE MAY NEED FOR EASEMENT PURPOSES OR DRAINAGE OR UTILITIES, CAN WE GET THAT LIST AND THEN OPEN THAT UP AND SAY, IT'S FAIR GAME.
AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT DEBATE OF THE 50% OR THE 25% OR WHATEVER THAT IS, BUT JUST GET IT OUT THERE.
SO THESE PROPERTIES CAN BE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, MAINTAINED WITH SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY DO THEY HELP SPLIT THE COST WHEN WE HAVE TO GO CUT THE GRASS AND MAINTENANCE, THEY DON'T.
BUT MY, MY RECOLLECTION IS RELY ON STAFF THAT OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPED IN THE COMMISSION, THOSE ARE AVAILABLE, IT'S JUST INSIDE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHERE WE TURN TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR SOME GUIDANCE, BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT KNOW IF THEY HAVE PLANS OR PROJECTS THAT WHERE THEY'RE TARGETING THOSE LOTS AND EXPECTING TO GET.
BUT I THOUGHT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO HOLD OFF ON ADVERTISING OR SELLING ANY OF THESE UNTIL THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION GOT ESTABLISHED.
AND THAT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
SO NOW WE'VE SORT OF MOVED ON FROM THAT.
AND IT'S TAKEN US TWO YEARS TO GET HERE, BUT I WANT TO SEE WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO EXPEDITIOUSLY, MAKE THE COMMUNITY AWARE THAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE AVAILABLE AND READ ABOUT WHAT COMMISSIONERS, WHAT, OH, SO YOU'RE SAYING FEEDING IT TO THEM AND LETTING THEM BE, I MEAN, IF YOU COME BACK, IF ATTORNEY COMES BACK AND SAYS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SIX MONTHS BEFORE WE GET ALL THIS LEGAL MUMBO JUMBO WORKED OUT TO GET IT DEEDED TO THEM.
IN THE MEANTIME, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY, IF MS. SAMPSON WANTS TO BUY 1002 SAMPSON STREET, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE AN OFFER FOR THAT AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT.
WELL, THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION THEY'D HAVE TO GO THERE, MAKE, MAKE THEIR BID AN OFFER FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, NEEDS IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
THEY WOULD SAY BY A VOTE OF THEIR COMMISSION, WE DON'T WANT TO SELL IT.
IT STILL HAS TO COME BACK BEFORE.
AND THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO, TO DO THIS.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE THEIR PITCH TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, UM, AND GET THEIR APPROVAL, THEN YOU COULD RELY ON THAT AND LET THE COUNTY KNOW THAT YOU WOULD BE A YES, AND TO MAKE IT EVEN SIMPLER.
YOU COULD THEN APPROPRIATE THE NET PROCEEDS FROM THE CITY'S SHARE BACK TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AND KEEP THINGS EVEN EASIER.
THE MAIN GOAL FOR ME IS CREATING AN AVENUE TO BE ABLE TO PUT MONEY INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING GOOD WORK RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAVEN'T HADN'T REALLY TAPPED US BECAUSE THEY'D BEEN GREAT.
AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA AND GIVING THEM THESE PROPERTIES.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE A SOURCE OF INCOME.
SO DO WE NEED DIRECT SHOW? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THIS LIST AND ADVISE THAT PEOPLE CAN VOTE BEFORE THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION OR HOW IT MIGHT BE MORE EFFICIENT COMMISSION, LOOK AT THAT LIST AND, AND PUT A HOLD ON.
WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO BE.
UM, UM, WELL THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO IT.
ONE WAY IS TO PUT A HOLD ON WHAT THEY HAVE PLANS FOR THE OTHER WAY IS JUST LET EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO BID, GO TO THEM.
I THOUGHT WE DENIED, WE'LL PROBABLY GO PASS A POLICY THAT WE WERE GOING TO ASK THE ATTORNEY TO PASS THE POLICY THAT COUNTY OWNED SLASH CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, BE ADDED TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION INVENTORY, BUT I'VE HEARD THREE OR FOUR THINGS HERE NOW.
OH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HERE FOR.
I WAS IN SUPPORT OF GETTING A TRANSPORT.
AND THESE PROPERTIES BEING TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION AS THEY SHOULDN'T.
AND THE ISSUE IS NOT A LEGAL ISSUE, IT'S A POLITICAL ISSUE.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT POLICY DECISION WOULD COME INTO PLAY WITH IT, THAT WE, IF WE DECIDED TO MAKE A POLICY THAT THIS CITY COUNTY PROPERTIES BE ADDED, AND THEN SOMEBODY GO TO THE COUNTY AND GET THE BLESSINGS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE UP FRONT IS THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO TAKE, UH, A GAMBLE THAT THEY HAVE ASSET VALUE HERE, BUT IT'S VERY MARGINAL.
AND THAT HOPEFULLY, UH, BECAUSE THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION CAN DO THINGS, WE CAN'T DO, UH, EIGHT IMPOSE A 12 MONTHS.
UM, YOU GOT, YOU HAVE TO BUILD ON IT OR THE FALL SUBURBS BACK CLAUSES LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN GET SOME IMPROVEMENTS BUILT, WHICH WILL INCREASE THE ABNORM TAX BASE.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.
SO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO PUT THE POLICY DECISION FIRST, UM, AND OR IF YOU WANT TO GET THE TOP COUNTY FIRST, EITHER WAY, UM, WE NEED TO WORK ON OR THE OTHER, I'D SAY GOOD.
I'D SAY SOMEBODY'S GOT TO TALK TO THE COUNTY FIRST AND GET THEIR BLESSINGS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY, UM, DECIDED EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT MODEL WE'RE GOING TO OFFER THEM AS TO WHAT, WHAT WE WANT.
WE, WE WANT TO GIVE THESE LOTS WITH COUNTY, CITY HOME, SAY TO REDEVELOP, AND WE WANT THEM TO FIND THEM CIVIL BUYERS THAT ARE GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE AND DEVELOP THEM OR USE THEM.
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KNOW, WE'VE HAD OTHER INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE ARE EXTENDING THEIR LOT SIZES.I THINK THAT'S BEEN A GOOD THING AND, UM, PROVIDES FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.
I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE THESE TOOLS BECAUSE IT'S A MONEY MAKER.
IT'S A REVENUE GENERATING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION, RIGHT.
I MEAN, AND IT PUTS THEM BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT PAYING TAXES.
THEY DO GET PUT OVER TRANSFERRED.
ARE THEY ABLE TO MAKE A POLICY THAT THEY TAKE TEXTS VALUE INSTEAD OF THEY CAN MAKE ANY POLICY THEY WOULD LIKE, BUT AT THE END, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN MUST APPROVE ALL SALES OF REAL PROPERTY, REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
WELL, I'M POOR WHAT THE MAYOR SAID IN REGARDS TO LET'S GET IT ON.
LET'S GET IT MOVING SO THAT THEY CAN GET, THEY GIVE THE MANAGER DIRECTION THAT THE MANAGER CAN GO MEET WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER OR, UM, MAYOR GO WITH THE CHAIRMAN.
I'LL, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE GIVE YOU DIRECTION TO MEET WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER, UM, ABOUT TAKING PROPERTIES WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, UM, TO THE PURVIEW OF THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, UM, TO OPEN UP FOR SALE AND DEVELOPMENT AND THEY WOULD REVIEW IT, PUT IT OUT THERE.
AND ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN ANY OF THOSE LOTS WOULD HAVE TO SEEK THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FIRST, WHO THEN WOULD EVENTUALLY COME BACK TO US FOR A SAFE.
NOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION.
ALSO, IF IT'S A CITY COUNTY, ALL MR. DAVIS, WOULDN'T, THE COUNTY ALSO HAD FREE.
OR JUST TO CITY, YOU PRINT THIS OUT.
WE'RE NOT COMMUNICATING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COUNTING, GIVING AWAY, JUST LIKE THE CITY, GIVING AWAY ITS ENTIRE INTEREST IN THESE LOTS.
AND THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WILL OWN IN FEE SIMPLE.
THE ENTIRE LAWS, THE ONLY TOUCHING POINT THEREAFTER IS THEY HAVE TO SAY, MOTHER, MAY I TO YOU BEFORE THEY STOPPED? AND YOU SAY, YES, THEY SELL IT.
AND THE MONEY GOES IN THEIR COFFERS, THE CITY MONEY AND THE COUNTY MONEY BECAUSE YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THOSE LOTS.
THEY'RE CONVEYED TO THE DEVELOPER PERMISSION.
OH YET? UH, BUT IT IT'S STILL GOOD BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COME TO US FOR US TO SAY YES OR NO.
WE MADE THAT WHEN WE DID THE REDEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE NOT LOSING BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE A CLEAR VISION AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT.
I'M SURE, LIKE YOU SAID, WE PARTNERED WITH THE COUNTY.
THIS IS GOOD TO PASS THIS ON SO THAT WE CAN GET MONEY FLOWING INTO THE REDEVELOPMENT TO REDEVELOP RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT THE COUNTY'S GETTING ZERO, RIGHT.
THIS POTENTIALLY BY THE SALE OF IT.
WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS.
SO THE COUNTY WILL EVENTUALLY GET SOME MONEY.
MA'AM, THAT'S A WIN-WIN BUT WE'RE HAVING TO DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE ON THE PROPERTY.
WELL, THE REDEVELOPMENT, THE CITY, TRUE TRUTH.
DOES THAT COME OUT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT BUDGET THOUGH? SO, SO, SO HOW DOES IT NOT? OKAY.
SO IF WE HAVE PROPERTIES IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA THAT NEEDED TO BE CUT DOWN AND THEY ARE THEIR OWN BOARD, WHY ARE, WHY IS THE CITY STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING UP THE RESPONSIBILITY? JUST BEING HELPFUL? YEAH.
SO WE DON'T NEED ANY ACTION ON THIS SIDE IN THE YEAR THEY LEAD WITH MR. VICE CREDIT.
SHE, SHE HAD MADE A MOTION AND SHE DIDN'T GET A SECOND.
SO I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DIRECTION WAS CLEAR ON WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO, BUT STAFF HAS CLEAR.
THEN I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER, TO MEET WITH COUNTY MANAGER, TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL OF THE COUNTY, GIVING UP THEIR INTEREST IN PROP REAL PROPERTY OWNED WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE? ALL IN FAVOR THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
[17. Appointment( s).]
NUMBER 17 APPOINTMENTS MR. ON NONE TONIGHT, SIR.[18. Attorney's Report.]
ATTORNEYS REPORT.UM, ONE ITEM MAY REMEMBER THE BOARD.
UM, I JINXED, UM, ALL OF THIS LAST TUESDAY EVENING, I HAD A LOVELY AND THOUGHTFUL MEETING WITH THE STANLEY AUDIT RECREATION CENTER COMMITTEE, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGN BUILD CONSTRUCTION METHODS.
I'M TAKING YOUR DIRECTION FROM SEVERAL MEETINGS BACK.
UM, THE VERY NEXT MORNING, I WANT TO SAY PROBABLY AN EIGHT O'CLOCK.
UM, I GOT WORD THROUGH A COLLEAGUE THAT THE FEDERAL STATUTES MAY CONFLICT WITH THE STATE STATUTES, THE FEDERAL BIDDING STATUTES MAY CONFLICT WITH THE STATE AND PRECLUDE US FROM USING THAT CONSTRUCTION METHOD.
SINCE THEN, UM, THROUGH THIS MORNING, UM, I HAVE REACHED OUT TO EVERY
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STATE, UM, RESOURCE.I HAVE EVERY FEDERAL RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY.
AND, UM, I DON'T SEE A WAY FORWARD WITH THAT PROCESS.
THE STATUTE IS CLEAR THAT WE CAN GET A WAIVER TO USE THAT CONSTRUCTION METHOD, BUT FINDING THAT BRAVE SOUL AT THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL LEVEL IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE NEED TO GET ANY TRACTION TO MAKE THIS MOVE ANY FASTER.
UM, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO EVERYONE ACROSS THE STATE THAT I CAN THINK OF WHO CAN BE HELPFUL.
UM, FOLKS THAT HAVE SPENT CAREERS DOING JUST THIS ISSUE AND UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, NORTH CAROLINA'S STATE STATUTE FOR DESIGN BUILD THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2014 IS UNIQUE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, TYPICALLY THE FEDERAL BIDDING STATUTE, UM, WILL, UM, ACCOMMODATE THE STATE DESIGN BUILT, BUT THE FEDERAL STATUTE REQUIRES THAT PRICE BE A FACTOR IN THE DECISION.
AND IN NORTH CAROLINA, WE HAVE WHAT I CALL A BEAUTY CONTEST WITH DESIGN BUILD.
WE HAVE TO SEND OUT A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS AND WE PICK THE MOST QUALIFIED AND THE LAW PRECLUDES US FROM LOOKING AT PRICE OR DISCUSSING PRICE UNTIL WE PICK THE WINNER.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE WAY AROUND THAT THERE ARE CERTAINLY LEGAL ARGUMENTS THAT I COULD MAKE, UM, WHY THE STATE STATUTE MIGHT COMPLY, BUT FOR FIVE OR $6 MILLION CONSEQUENCE, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN MAKING THOSE ARGUMENTS.
UM, I'D MUCH PREFER TO HAVE A FEDERAL WAIVER AND THE WAIVER PROCESS IN MY VIEW WOULD PERFECTLY ACCOMMODATE THE REASON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FASTER.
UM, BUT, UM, THE FOLKS AT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL ARE DOING A LOT OF HEAD SCRATCHING.
THEY APPRECIATE THE ISSUE, THEY SEE THE LEGAL ARGUMENTS, BUT I'M JUST NOT CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND SOMEONE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
IT'S GOING TO COME TO A HEAD IN THE NEXT SIX TO 12 MONTHS BECAUSE THE ARP, ALL THIS ARP MONEY IS GOING TO BE PUBLICLY BID MONEY.
AND A LOT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ARE GOING TO WANT TO USE THE DESIGN BUILD STATUTE, BUT THAT ARP MONEY IS GOING TO BE TIED TO THE FEDERAL BIDDING STATUTES.
SO EVERYONE IN NORTH CAROLINA IS GOING TO BE JAMMED UP OVER HAVING ACCESS TO THOSE FUNDS, BUT NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE DESIGN BUILD METHODOLOGY.
SO I WON'T BE SURPRISED IN THE NEXT SIX TO 12 MONTHS IF WE GET SOME DIRECTION FROM FEMA OR A, A WAIVER, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WISE FOR US TO BE THAT TEST CASE AND SPEND OUR TIME TRYING TO GET A WAIVER WHEN WE COULD HAVE GONE THE TRADITIONAL ROUTE AND BRIDGE THAT TIME.
SO DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WHAT DID I JUST SAY? MY LAST COMMENT ABOUT GOVERNMENT TAKING SO LONG? SO SCOTT, WHAT WE CAN'T WAIT ANOTHER SIX TO 12 MONTHS.
WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? DO WE GO TO THE DESIGNER THAT UP WITH THE SCHEMATIC AND THEN WE HIRE THEM TO DO THE FULL WELL, W W WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR STATE STATUTE AS TO W THIS WOULD BE THE TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION METHOD.
WE FOLLOW THE STATE STATUTE AND MANY BROOKS ACT TO, TO FIND THE MOST QUALIFIED ARCTIC ENGINEER TO DESIGN THE PROJECT.
WE CAN USE TIME, UM, AS ONE OF OUR FACTORS.
SO WE CAN PUT IN OUR TIME REQUIREMENTS AND CONSIDER THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE QUALIFICATIONS.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE OUR PLANS AND SPECS, LIKE EVERY OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WE BID AND THE LOW BIDDER WAS SUBJECT TO THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR MINORITY WOMEN PARTICIPATION, ALL THE FEDERAL LAWS THAT APPLY TO FEDERAL PROJECTS, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO THE DESIGN BUILD ROUTE.
SO HOW QUICKLY CAN STAFF GET OUT THE RFP RFQ? WHICHEVER ONE IT IS FOR ARCHITECT DESIGN SERVICES, WE ALREADY HAVE A DESIGN.
SO, SO WE'VE BEEN ANTICIPATING THIS.
SO WE HAVE HAD STAFF CREATE AN RFP FOR DESIGN BUILD FOR AND SERVICES.
AND SO BASICALLY IT'S JUST VETTING BY, BY THE ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S SQUARED AWAY SO WE CAN HAVE THIS THING OUT, BUT THEN REALLY A FEW DAYS.
SO ORIGINALLY THE PLAN WAS TO, TO SOME, TO SEND OUT THE RFQ WEDNESDAY AT THE LATEST, I THINK WE CAN HAVE IT OUT BY THURSDAY FOR THE FIRST PART OF THIS.
SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A DAMPER BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE TO DO IT ONE BY ONE.
INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL TOGETHER, WE DO IT THE OLD WAY.
SO ANYBODY WATCHING AND PAYING ATTENTION, IT'S NOT A HOPE.
IT'S JUST, WE CAN'T DO IT ALL IN ONE.
WE HAVE TO DO STEP BY STEP, WHICH IT DOES TAKE TIME.
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TAKE LONGER FOR ARCHITECT, BUT IT'S NOT A NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.WE GOT OURSELVES EXCITED, BUT WE CAN'T PUT A TIME LIMIT ON IT.
YES, WE, WE, WE WERE OPTIMISTIC THAT WE COULD SAVE SIX TO 12 MONTHS AND, AND, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NOW.
HOWEVER, WE CAN CERTAINLY MOVE HEAVEN AND EARTH TO, TO GO THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL PROCESS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
YOUR FRAME ON THAT CAMPUS SAY THEIR REQUESTS MUST COME BACK AND CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO BE DONE IN A CERTAIN TIME FOR LETTER.
I JUST WANT TO ASK, SO WE KNOW THAT THE WAIVERS ARE GOING TO COME BECAUSE OTHER, THE AMERICAN RESCUE MATE, MAYBE, MAYBE THEY KNOW WE'VE GOT THE ATTENTION RIGHT NOW.
I'M NOT, I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE, THE WAY YOU'RE SUGGESTING, BUT WE HAVE THE ATTENTION RIGHT NOW OF CONGRESSMAN MURPHY AND SENATOR TILLIS ON THIS BUILDING.
AND HE, CONGRESSMAN MURPHY ESPECIALLY HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE HEAD OF THE PA.
AND I'M NOT SO SURE AS IF WE SIT AND WHILE YOU'RE GETTING EVERYTHING READY, IF WE SHOULD ASK HIM IF HE COULD GET US AWAY, WE HAVE EVERYTHING READY.
WE WERE EXPECTING TO RELEASE THE RFQ TOMORROW MORNING, EIGHT O'CLOCK.
SO WE ARE READY FOR THE DESIGN BUILD PROCESS AND WE'LL BE READY THURSDAY FOR THE TRADITIONAL PROCESS.
AND WE CAN PULL THAT IF, IF WE GOT A CALL, WELL, IF WE CAN RELEASE RFQ THURSDAY AND STILL PULL IT A WEEK OR A WEEK OR TWO LATER, IF WE GOT A WAIVER BETWEEN THAT ONE.
BUT IF, IF WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND HIRE AN ARCHITECT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US HOW LONG I JUST HIRE AN ARCHITECT.
SO THE PROCESS, THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE FOR THE DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTOR IS STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME.
THE GOAL WAS TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL AT THE, AT THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.
OF COURSE THEN THE, UM, THE, THE FIRM THAT WE HAD THAT WE HIRED, THEY WOULD HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO CREATE THE PLANS TO REVIEW THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE, HOW LONG FOR AN ARCHITECT TO DESIGN THIS BUILDING.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING EIGHT MONTHS OR 12, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, I THINK IT CAN BE REALISTICALLY UP TO SIX MONTHS.
I THINK WE'D GET SOMETHING WITHIN THAT BIDS.
AND THEN IT'S GOING TO BE, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE SITTING HERE NEXT YEAR, THIS TIME AND NO GROUND THE BRACE.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN DO HAVE PREPARE BOTH, LIKE YOU SAID, AND REACH OUT TO OUR COLLEAGUES.
I MEAN, WE'VE DONE IT WITH A FEMA.
WHY CAN'T WE JUST GET A LETTER TOGETHER AND SEE IF IT'S JUST SIMPLE, A SIMPLE WAIVER.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT BE TRANSPARENT.
THE BUILDING NEEDS TO GET BUILT.
NOW WE'RE PAST EVERYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO GET BUILT FOR IT TO GET BUILT.
IF YOU EVER, IF YOU'RE EVER GOING TO SIGN A WAIVER, THIS IS, THIS IS THE CASE TO DO IT.
ASIDE FROM ALL THE SOCIAL DELAYS WE HAVE.
NOW, WE ARE NOW GETTING EXTENSIONS.
WE'RE GETTING SIX MONTH EXTENSIONS ON OUR FAILURE TO BUILD IT BACK.
NOW I DO NOT THINK FOR ONE SECOND THAT WE WON'T KEEP GETTING THOSE, BUT LEGALLY THERE IS NO RIGHT TO THOSE EXTENSIONS.
SO IT WOULD BE A PERFECT SOLUTION THAN A PERFECT CASE TO GIVE US THE WAIVER AND LET US GO.
AND SO THE, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED THAT THE BOARD VOTED ON THAT THE CONSULTANT DID, THAT'S JUST A DESIGN CONCEPT, A CONCEPT, I THINK, WAS THERE ANYBODY THAT WAS THE ARCHITECT THERE THAT WE COULD LIKE, THIS IS IT THERE, THERE WAS AN ARCHITECT THAT DID THAT PLAN AND THE BOARD VOTED ON THAT CONCEPT PLAN.
AND SO THAT INFORMATION, WHOEVER IS AWARDED THE A AND E CONTRACT, THEY WILL GET THAT INFORMATION SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT WE LIKE, WHAT, UH, THE PRIVATE PROGRAMMING THAT WAS GOING TO GO IN THAT FACILITY.
OKAY, I'M GOING TO BE DONE ONE MORE LAST TIME.
DOES THAT MEAN THEY HAVE TO LIKE, DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND ALL THAT STUFF AGAIN? OKAY.
THIS WILL BE JUST LIKE BUILDING EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE EVER DONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE EVER DONE A DESIGN BUILD PROJECT IN MY, IN MY CAREER.
SCOTT, CAN WE SEND THEM BOTH OUT AT THE SAME TIME? UM, I WOULD NOT DO THAT.
UM, WE HAVE THE DESIGN BUILD IN OUR POCKET.
UM, I WOULD, I, I WOULD JUST NOT WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION AND A LOT OF DOWNSIDES TO THAT.
THAT'S WHY YOU GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS.
SO WE SEND THEM, YOU SEND THEM BOTH OUT AND IT COMES BACK AND DESIGN-BUILD SAYS WE WILL DESIGN AND HAVE YOUR BUILDING CONSTRUCTED IN
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18 MONTHS.THE ARCHITECT COMES BACK AND SAYS, I'LL DESIGN IT FOR YOU IN EIGHT MONTHS.
WHY WOULD THAT INFORMATION NOT BE HELPFUL WHEN WE'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER TO SAY, HERE, WE'RE ALREADY ON SIX MONTH EXTENSIONS, WHY CAN'T WE GET THIS? IT WOULD BE MORE JUSTIFICATION FOR OR A WAIVER.
YEAH, I, MY FEAR IS THAT, UM, A REGULATOR WOULD VIEW THAT AS, UH, AN AGGRESSIVE AND AGGRESSIVE APPROACH IS NOT ASKING MOTHER MAY ADDRESS, WE'VE GOTTEN TO BE AGGRESSIVE.
WE'VE HAD A MAJOR STORM THAT TOOK OUT A CENTER THAT HAS NOT SERVED THE PUBLIC IN THREE YEARS.
WE'VE HAD COVID, WE'D HAD EVERYTHING ELSE.
WELL, MY OTHER WORRY, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND IT'S MY EXPERIENCE WITH REGULATORS, THEY DON'T LIKE TO BE CORNERED LIKE THAT.
SECONDLY, IF I READ IT, IF I WERE THE AG FROM, I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY TO BE SPENDING A LOT OF MY COMPANY TIME AND RESOURCES ON AN ILLEGAL PROCESS.
DON'T KNOW IF WE PUT OUT THE NORMAL ONE AND THEN SAY, WE GET BLESSED WITH THE OTHER PROCESS.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE LEGAL REPERCUSSIONS? IF WE PULL THAT OR DON'T, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE OUR MINDS ON THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD? OR IS THAT, IS IT TECHNICALLY, PROBABLY JUST FROWNED UPON THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING SOMETHING AND THEN WE JUST SAY, NEVERMIND, WE'RE GOING TO GO THIS WAY.
IS IT MORE OF A POLITICAL THING? I DON'T THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO PULL SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE GONE DOWN THE PATH AND COMPANIES HAVE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, ANYBODY'S GOING TO WASTE ON TIME ON SOMETHING THEY KNOW WHO'S ILLEGAL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
HOWEVER, I THINK, I THINK PERSONALLY THAT GO AHEAD WITH THE RF T OR Q OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT.
BUT IN THE BACKGROUND, I MEAN, WE CAN GIVE IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
I MEAN, IF WE, I REALLY DO THINK THAT IF WE GOT WAYNE INVOLVED, GOT CONGRESSMEN INVOLVED, EXPLAINED THE SITUATION.
THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN GONE NOW FOR THREE, OVER THREE YEARS, WE WERE READY TO PUT IT BACK.
WE GOT AN ARCHITECT, THE SUPPORT OF A DESIGN BUILD BUILD COMPANY, BUT SOME STUPID LAWS SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAIVER.
HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET THIS WAIVER? AND IT MIGHT BE THAT, I MEAN, UM, OR EVEN A DECISION THAT IT'S OKAY.
CAUSE I CAN TELL YOU A COUPLE SCHOOLS IN, IN, UH, LAST MONTH RECENTLY CAME ONTO THIS, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SCHOOL BOARDS, UM, WE'RE GOING ON THE EXACT SAME PATH WE WERE GOING DOWN AND THE QUESTION GOT CALLED AND UM, THOSE SCHOOLS HAD TO STOP THEIR PROJECTS AND GO THE TRADITIONAL METHOD.
UM, AND SO THE QUESTION IS GOING TO GET CALLED, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH ARP MONEY.
SO IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE MORE HELPFUL TO JUST GET A DECISION AND DETERMINATION THAT, THAT THE NORTH CAROLINA STATUTE DOES NOT VIOLATE THE STATUTE THAT WOULD SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE ACROSS THE STATE.
BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL TO PUT THAT.
AND UNTIL HE GIVE US A WAIVER OR, AND SO WE'LL BE SITTING DUCKS.
SO WE, I THINK IT'S WORTH GOING AFTER TRYING TO GET A WAIVER.
I MEAN, THEY, WE, WE WE'VE GOT THE PA OKAY, WELL, UM, ASKED HER, DO YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO TOWARDS THE WAIVER AND WAIT BEFORE WE PUT ANY Q1? NO, THIS DON'T STOP THE PROCESS.
THIS IS GO AHEAD AND GET A WAIVER.
WE DON'T WE'LL KNOW IN A FEW WEEKS WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GET IT OR NOT, AND IT'S MUCH EASIER TO STOP THE TRADITIONAL RFQ FOR A TRADITIONAL AID FROM THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING EARLIER IS OKAY.
WELL, I THINK THE EASIEST THING FOR US TO DO IS JUST GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, I'D HATE FOR US TO START DOWN ONE, ONE PATH AND THEN WE STOPPED AND THAT SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE FIRMS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN THIS AT ALL.
THEY CAN'T MAKE UP THEIR MIND.
NOW THEY WANT TO DO THIS OTHER ROUTE.
INSTEAD OF, I THINK THE PREFERRED ROUTE WOULD JUST BE TO THE TRADITIONAL METHOD THAT JUST MOVE FORWARD.
AND NOT TRYING TO GET A WAIVER TO DO A, YOU LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE SOME DESIGN BUILD PROJECTS COMING UP WITH SOME, FOR THE ARP FUNDING.
SO YES, WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO PURSUE THAT.
IT WILL, WE WILL ADDRESS THAT AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER, THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THEY THINK IT'S A SHAME THAT WE'RE GOING TO DELAY THIS THING FOR ANOTHER YEAR, BUT FEMA RULES, UM, MR. DAVIS, WHAT ELSE DID YOU HAVE THAT SAID, SIR, MR. HUGE.
WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION DO YOU WANT YOUR BOARD TO GIVE YOU? UH, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE ME DIRECTION ON, UM, PROCEEDING WITH THE TRADITIONAL METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION AND THEN WE WILL, THEN WE WILL SUBMIT, UH, THE RFPS WITHIN THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
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I'M INTERESTED FIRMS. OH YEAH.THE HANDS OF THOSE THAT WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE TRADITIONAL ARCHITECT, THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
BUT I HOPE THAT WE CAN LIKE, UH, WE SEND A LETTER BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREE BECAUSE IF IT CAN CHANGE, LIKE YOU SAID, ALL WE CAN DO IS PULL IT RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE AND THEY TAKE A MONTH FOR SOMEONE TO RESPOND.
AND IN THAT TIMEFRAME WE CAN GET A WAIVER AND THEN DO DESIGN BUILD.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GIVE UP ON THE WAIVER.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, BUT I'M GOING TO DO WITH THE BOARD HE WANTS TO DO, WHEN YOU SEND THAT RFQ OUT, WHAT METHODS DO YOU USE WHEN YOU SPREAD THAT OUT? SO THEN THAT GOES OUT THERE.
OUR PURCHASING MANAGER PUTS THAT ON SEVERAL SIDES AND SOME NATIONWIDE IT WILL BE A NATIONWIDE.
SO ANYONE THAT IS LOOKING FOR JOBS, IT'S HARD TO TAKE THE ENGINEERING FOR THEM.
THEY'LL PICK THAT UP THROUGH OUR, THROUGH OUR PROCESSES.
UH, MR. DAVIS, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.
MR. HUGHES, WHERE DID YOU HAVE TONIGHT, SIR? NOTHING
[19. City Manager' s Report.]
TONIGHT, SIR.[20. New Business.]
STARTING WITH ALL OF THE NEW BUSINESS.UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, THE FIRST THING IS, UM, I'M SORRY, MRS. SAMSON HAS ALREADY LEFT, BUT, UM, NOVEMBER 5TH WILL BE THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE DEATH OF COMMISSIONER SAMSON.
AND I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY, UM, HIS FAMILY, UH, ASKING THAT IN HONOR OR IN MEMORY OF, OF HIS ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY THAT WE DO A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING THE SATURDAY OF MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND AS COMMISSIONER, JOHNNY SAMPSON DAY.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CELEBRATION IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND INVITE THEIR FAMILIES OR REUNION OF FRIENDS AND ASK THAT WE, UM, CELEBRATE HIS LIFE BY THAT PROCLAMATION FOR THAT DATE.
SO I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT BEFORE THE BOARD TO SEE IF IT IS OKAY.
YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHEN WE DO PROCLAMATIONS, THE MAYOR PUTS IT ON THE AGENDA.
UH, SO THEY HAD ASKED ME TO BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD, IF THAT BE THE CASE, THEN I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT AT OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE NOVEMBER THE NINE.
AND THE FAMILY WOULD HAVE IT FOR HIS ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY, BUT IT WOULDN'T RECLAIM THE SATURDAY OF MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT'S HIS BIRTHDAY THAT WEEKEND.
AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A CELEBRATION.
SO WHAT IS THE BOARD'S PLEASURE ON THAT ONE? I SUPPORT IT.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IF WE AGREE ON IT, THAT WE CAN VOTE ON IT AND IT'D BE WRITTEN UP AND READY TO GO.
I WAS SAYING, IF WE CAN HAVE IT READY BEFORE THE NINTH AND IT'S ALREADY DONE SO THAT THEY HAD AFFORDED, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WAS.
IS THAT POSSIBLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO AGREE AND VOTE AND KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROCLAMATION AND ALREADY HAVE IT HANDLED AND PROVIDED TO THE FAMILY FOR THE FIFTH THAT'S OKAY.
IT'S ABOUT, OKAY, WELL THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE THEM, IF IT'S, IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR AND I WILL WORK WITH YOU.
UM, BRENDA, TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION, AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO, UH, SIGN A PROCLAMATION, CELEBRATING, UM, THE SATURDAY OF MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND AS COMMISSIONER JOHNNY SAMSON DAY, SECOND MOTION.
AND SECOND IS THERE DISCUSSION AND IT WILL BE PROVIDED TO THEM BEFORE NOVEMBER 5TH.
THE SECOND ITEM I HAVE, UM, I SEE BOB BRINSON OUT IN THE AUDIENCE AND UM, FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, I WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT BOB IS A MEMBER OF AMERICAN LEGION, POST 5 39, WHICH IS LED BY AN AWESOME YOUNG WOMAN NAMED LIZ HARTMAN, WHO I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR.
AND THEY HAVE TAKEN ON THE MISSION OF CLEANING THE HEADSTONES IN THE GREENWOOD CEMETERY.
AND WHAT THEY DID IS THEY IDENTIFIED ORIGINALLY.
AND BOB COME UP TO THE MIKE CAUSE YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY 43 HEADSTONES OF VETERANS THAT ARE BURIED IN GREENWOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, NO ATTENTION PAID TO THEM.
THIS GROUP GOT TOGETHER, GOT THE CORRECT CLEANING SOLUTION, CLEANED IT AND FOUND ANOTHER WHAT 60 AND WHAT
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NOT ANOTHER 60 WE'RE UP TO OVER 60 NOW.AND SO, UM, GO ON FACEBOOK AND YOU KNOW, UM, I KNOW YOU SHARED THE POST, BUT YOU COULD SEE THE BEFORE AND AFTER OF THESE HEADSTONES.
SO NOW THEY'VE IDENTIFIED WHO THE VETERANS ARE IN THIS CEMETERY.
THIS INFORMATION IS NOW, UH, BEING GIVEN TO THE NEWBORN HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE FIND A GRAVE FOUNDATION SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LOCATE GRAVES' OR FAMILY MEMBERS, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT.
THE OTHER THING THEY WILL DO IS AT CHRISTMAS TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THE READS ACROSS AMERICA AND THE NATIONAL CEMETERIES.
WELL, THIS POST IS GOING TO PAY FOR BREEDS TO BE PUT ON ALL THE GRAVES AT GREENWOOD FOR THESE VETERANS.
SO I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THAT WORK.
I'LL TELL YOU THEY WERE OUT THERE SATURDAY.
SO YESTERDAY, TODAY WE'RE ACTUALLY LEAVING AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER YOU HAVE TO GO.
WE, WE ACTUALLY FINISHED THEM ALL TODAY, FINISHED THEM, BUT WE'RE PLANNING ON GOING BACK OUT THERE TOMORROW, GETTING GPS COORDINATES FOR EACH BEDROOM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TURNING OVER TO THE STORE FOR SOCIETY AND THE FIND A GRAVE SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND FIND THEM.
WOULD YOU ALSO MIND MAKING SURE THAT THE PARKS AND REC WAS FRONTICA MADDIX IS THE KEEPER OF THE GRAVES AND SHE'S THE ONE THAT DOES ALL OF THAT FOR THE CITY.
AND, UM, WE'VE HAD SO MANY PROBLEMS IN THE PAST.
WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY GRAVE SITES IN THAT CEMETERY.
THAT THAT WOULD BE A BIG HELP.
AND I JUST, AGAIN, APPLAUD YOU AND THANK YOU AND YOUR GROUP IN THE AMERICAN LEGION, POST 5 39, A LITTLE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THEM, FOR TAKING ON THAT PROJECT.
YEAH, I JUST, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT THING AND THAT'S ALL ONLY THING I HAVE IS MY CENTER 17 TODAY.
UM, I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT A VERY GOOD FRIEND, AS WELL AS A BUSINESSMAN AND DOWN AT PAMLICO COUNTY, MR. TODD WILLIS PASSED AWAY YESTERDAY.
HE WAS IN HIS EARLY THIRTIES, I THINK 33, 34, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HE IS THE OWNER OF A NOOSE RIVER BAIT AND TACKLE AS ALSO THE RESTAURANT IS A NEWLY OPERATED, WOBBLY HOG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BOND.
DO YOU KNOW THE NAME OF IT? YEAH.
EVERYBODY PLEASE KEEP HIS WIFE, HEATHER AND THEIR YOUNG SON COLTON IN YOUR PRAYERS.
ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS AT THIS TIME? MIKE? A MOTION TO ADJOURN.