Nov 09, 2021 Board of Aldermen

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY OR SOME ALDERMEN THAT WANT TO SERVE ON A AD HOC.

HOW ABOUT SO BRIGHT MOB, ALL OF THEM, THEY GO HOME AND ASKED HER BEST.

WOULD THAT BE GOOD? WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT? ALL RIGHT.

THANKS GUYS.

GOING TO GO TO THE HIGH NUMBER EIGHT.

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HEY, THIS TIME WE'RE

[8. Conduct a Public Hearing on the Rezoning of 4416 US Highway 17 South; and a) Consider Adopting a Statement of Zoning Consistency or Inconsistency; and b) Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Rezone 4416 US Highway 17 South from R-10 Residential District to C-3 Commercial District.]

THE NEXT ITEM IS TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON REZONING A 44 16 US HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH, AND CONSIDER ADOPTING A STATEMENT OF ZONING, CONSISTENCY, OR INCONSISTENCY, AND CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE THERESA IN 44 16, US HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH FROM OUR 10 RESIDENTIAL TO C3 COMMERCIAL.

MR. RUGERI WILL MAKE THE PRESENTATION AND YOU BOSTON.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

IT'S NICER CREST TO HEAR REZONING FROM MR. COREY THOMAS SITES LOCATED AT 44 16, US 17 EXISTS ZONING AS RESIDENTIAL 10, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING.

UH, THE PROPOSED ZONING IS TO GO TO COMMERCIAL THREE DISTRICT.

SO ABOUT A HALF ACRE SIZE PARCEL.

IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IT'S VACANT HERE.

THE SITE, YOU MAY REMEMBER YOU SAW THIS PETITION, UH, IN JUNE OF 2020, HE'S KNOWN AS RESIDENTIAL TENANTS AS A DISTRICT DESIGNED UP FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO DUPLEXES MINIMUM SQUARE FEET OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER LOT TO OPPOSE TO THE COMMERCIAL THREE DISTRICTS, NOT OUR MOST INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ESTABLISHED FOR, UH, PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THAT, UH, YOU WANT TO DO IN THE CITY.

FOR THE MOST PART IS THAT MOST FLEXIBLE ZONING DISTRICT, EVERYTHING FROM SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OVERLAY, THE HOSPITAL SURROUNDING ZONINGS, RESIDENTIAL, OUR 2010 COMMERCIAL C3.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL ON EACH SIDE OF IT, RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET.

SOME AGRICULTURE LEADING OFF TO THE NORTHWEST, UH, SITE IS SERVED BY A CITY.

WATER.

SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE SIDE, NOR IS C ELECTRIC.

WE CAME IN HERE, LAND USE PLAN, CLASSIFIES THIS AS A DEVELOPED THAT'S A MIX OF LAND USES ARE INCLUDED IN THIS DESIGNATION.

EVERYTHING FROM, UH, LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL TO HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL TO INTENSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

ACCORDING TO THE LAND USE PLAN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS A HIGH SUITABILITY FOR DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ALSO NOT LOCATED IN A HUNDRED OR 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAN.

HERE'S A MAP OF SOME RELATIVELY RECENT REZONING REQUESTS THAT WERE APPROVED.

YOU'LL SEE THE ONE AT JASON DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.

IT WAS APPROVED IN 2017.

I REQUEST FROM OUR TENANT TO SEE THREE OTHER REQUESTS TO COMMERCIAL THREE ALONG THE CORRIDOR ALSO ALL WERE APPROVED.

OH, THE PLANES ONLY ABOUT HEARD THERE'S REQUEST AT THEIR OCTOBER 5TH MEETING AND HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THE UNANIMOUS VOTE.

I'LL ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.

DID YOU HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION OR NOT, BUT, UM, EXPLAINED TO ME, UM, THAT SEWER AND ELECTRIC IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE SITE.

SO YOU REALLY CAN'T DEVELOP IT THEN BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T GET AND ELECTRIC THERE IS THAT IT'S NOT SERVED BY CITY, UM, ELECTRIC.

SO IT'S IN DUKE'S, UH, SERVICE AREA.

ELECTRIC IS THERE WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT AVAILABLE, NOT CITY CITY SERVICES ARE NOT AVAILABLE, EXCEPT FOR WATER.

SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE.

BUT WOULD THEY NEED TO DEVELOP IF THEY WOULD NEED SEWER? CORRECT.

BUT DEPENDING ON THE USE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, OR IF THEY GET A PERMIT TO DO A SMALLER STEP THICK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO IT'S NOT UNDEVELOPABLE, BUT AT THIS POINT OF THE REZONING, AS YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REALLY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE ULTIMATE USE IS JUST A REQUEST TO COMMERCIAL.

GOING, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING IN A FEW MINUTES.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD DO WOULD BE WATER, CORRECT.

C CITY WILL PROVIDE WATER TO THE SIDE.

I SAID, THAT'S IT.

SO ANOTHER ENTITY WOULD COME IN AND PROVIDE THE UTILITIES.

SO ELECTRIC, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF ONSITE.

SO DISPOSAL, I WOULD IMAGINE.

I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE, WOULD YOU BACK UP TO ALLOW GENERAL SURVEY UP C3? YES, SIR.

JEFF, COULD YOU BACK UP AND TO, TO SHOW THE ATOM BOMB SITE AGAIN, PLEASE? THE PINK AND YELLOW? YES.

THE ZONING.

YEP.

SO THE YELLOW SECTION RIGHT BESIDE THE SITE IS THAT SOMEONE'S HOME, UH, RIFLES SIDED THE YELLOW.

SO THAT WOULD BE OUR 10 ZONE.

I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A HOME RIGHT NEXT TO, IT COULD BE THAT AREA, THE AREA BEFORE THAT MIGHT SHOW IT.

CAN YOU BACK? I THINK THEY CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

YEAH, THERE IS.

WE'RE

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LET'S COME UP.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME? ANY OTHER PRESENTATIONS, SIR, AT THIS TIME? NO, SIR.

A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, ASK ANY QUESTIONS, MAKE COMMENTS, STATEMENTS CONCERNING THIS.

PLEASE US GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

PUTTING THE BUSINESS WILL BE ON PROPERTY.

MY NAME IS CONSTANCE SEVENS.

I RESIDE AT 44, 20 HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH.

WE REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE RECOMMEND COMMUNITY ARE HERE AGAIN BEFORE THE BOARD TO EXPRESS OUR OPPOSITION OF REZONING ON THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S LOCATED AT 44 16 HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH ALL FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS 100 FEET FROM MY HOME.

UM, LET ME GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE RECENT ACTIVITIES IN THE LAST TWO TO THREE MONTHS ON AUGUST THE 17TH, THE PROPERTY ON THERE, UH, ERECTED A FIFTH ON THE PROPERTY.

SO I IMMEDIATELY CALLED AND SPOKE WITH MR. MATTHEW BOSWELL AND BUILDING IN PERMITS.

AND I WAS ASKING THE GUIDANCE SPECIFICATIONS OF HIS FENCE.

AND, UH, HE SAID THE CITY, OF COURSE, THAT GOT HIM IN CONTROL OF WHAT KIND OF W WHAT TYPE OF FITS THAT DEPARTMENT WOULD PUT ON HIS PROPERTY.

SO, UH, I TOLD HIM I STILL HAD SOME CONCERNS.

AND SO HE TOLD ME TO SPEAK WITH SELF, I THINK, AS LONG.

AND, UM, HE CALLED ME ON AUGUST THE 18TH, AND HE TOLD ME THAT, UH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE, THE CITY DID NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL ON WHAT, ON WHAT THE PROPERTY HOME FIFTH, HE PUT ON THE PROPERTY.

WE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE WOULDN'T BURIAL PRIVACY FENCE, AS OPPOSED TO EVERY TIME I WALK OUT OF MY BACK DOOR OR LOOK THROUGH MY WINDOW, I SEE THE ACTIVITIES GOING ON IN THAT PROPERTY.

ALSO ON AUGUST THE 26TH, THE PROPERTY OWNER ERECTED A LARGE WOODEN SIGN, UH, INDICATING THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING.

AND ALSO THEY BEGAN CONSTRUCTION.

AND THIS WAS ON AUGUST THE 26TH.

SO I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE CITY THAT I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE CITY OFFICE TO FIND OUT WHAT HAD BEEN OWN BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE HE HAD STARTED WORKING, DOING CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER THE ZONING HAD BEEN CHANGED AND I WAS SOLD, IT HAD NOT.

AND ALSO TO LET THEM KNOW SOME OF THE, THAT WAS GOING ON.

ALSO, I SAID, I WAS OUT AND I HAD TAKEN A PICTURE OF THIS, UH, WOODEN SIGN THAT SAYS THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING MY COUSIN, SANDRA WITH GREG.

UH, SHE WAS ASKED 44 18, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THE MATTER ON AUGUST 27, MR. BALL WILL SEND ME AN EMAIL INDICATING THAT MR. THOMAS WOULD, UH, CEASE FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT HE ALREADY STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT HE WOULD BE ASKED TO REMOVE THE SIDE.

IT SAYS, UM, HOW WAS THE BROTHER THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING ALSO ON OCTOBER 27, THE PUBLIC HEARING SIDE IN THE PAST, THE SIGNS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ON THE HIGHWAY.

SO IT COULD BE, UM, THE, THE PUBLIC, THEY HAVE A CLEAR VIEW OF THE HEARING THIS TIME, THE SIGN WAS POSTED IN FRONT, ON THE FENCE, AS OPPOSED OUT WHERE WE COULD CLEARLY SEE IT.

UH, IT WAS APPARENT TO ME THAT MAYBE THIS WAS A TILLER FOR MEMBERS OF THE RE-OCCURRING COMMUNITY, NOT TO HEAR ABOUT THE VERT ABOUT THE HEARING, BUT IN ANY EVENT.

UH, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I HAVE FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE OUT BUSINESS INCOME.

AS I SAID BEFORE, LAST YEAR, I HAD FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE, HOW A BUSINESS CAN COME IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE A, I HAVE A BUSINESS THAT SEPARATE MY HOME FROM MY NEIGHBOR THAT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT I JUST WOULDN'T LET ME HAVE FIRSTHAND INFORMATION ON DEATH.

BUT, UH, WE IMPOSED THE REZONING OF PROPERTY, 44 16, HOW IT 17 SOUTH FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

THE ONE WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER BUSINESS.

SO CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTS.

WE ARE CONCERNED WITH A THOUGHTS FACTOR BECAUSE WE ARE, WE LIVE IN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, YES, THE PROPERTY IS REZONED TO COMMERCIAL.

IN REALITY, WE DIDN'T HAVE NO IDEA WHAT, UH,

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UM, ALSO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, I CAN SAY THAT, UH, THIS WAS IT, WASN'T A FEE FOR BACK HOME AND MY COUSIN AND OF COURSE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE BIGGEST TO BREAK THEY'RE STRANGERS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND DISRUPT THE QUIET AND SECURE COMMUNITY.

ALSO PROBLEMS, THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC FLOW WITH ANOTHER BUSINESS COMING IN 500, I WOULD LIKE TO READ A LITTLE RATING THAT WE, OH, THE ROCKAWAY COMMUNITY OPPOSE THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY AT FOUR TO 16, FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

AND WE WERE LIKE, OH, THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM.

MY NAME IS SANDRA WEST GRAY.

I AM A LIFETIME RESIDENT AND HOME OWNER OF 44, 18 HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH.

AND THE ROCKER RUN COMMUNITY 44 16 WAS ORIGINALLY OWNED BY MY GREAT UNCLE, JAY WHITE AND HIS WIFE EUGENIA WHITE.

LET ME SAY THAT I TOO AM AGAINST THE REZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 44 16 HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH NOW OWNED BY COREY THOMAS, DOING BUSINESS AS THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING FROM RT AND TO C3 BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITIONS OF SAYING MAYBE SOME OF YOU RENT AND NEVER REALLY WANTED TO BUY A HOME, BUT THIS IS MY HOME SITE.

THIS IS WHERE I WAS RAISED UP AT.

THIS IS MY MOTHER'S AND FATHER'S HOME.

SO TO ME, I VALUE IT VERY HIGHLY.

MY OTHER CONCERN IS THAT COREY THOMAS DOING BUSINESS AS THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING HAS HAD ERECTED A BARBED WIRE FENCE AT THE EDGE OF MY DRIVEWAY.

THERE IS GREAT DISCREPANCY OF WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS.

ALL OF MY LIFE PRIOR TO ARDREY WARD OBTAINING SAID PROPERTY, THE LINE WAS NEVER A STRAIGHT LINE, AND THERE WERE MARKERS SHOWING THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH HAS BEEN A ZOOMED.

THERE ARE NO LONGER THERE AND OTHER PROPERTY MARKETS HAVE BEEN PLACED.

I FIRST NOTICED THE ONE IN MY DRIVEWAY UPON THE PROFIT BEING OBTAINED BY KENNETH GORDON.

WHO'S NOW DECEASED.

THE ORIGINAL MARKER ON THE BACKSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY WAS THEN RESTING INSIDE OF THE NOW ERECTED PERIMETERS OF THE FENCE INSTALLED BY PERSONS PAID BY CORY THOMAS, DOING BUSINESS AS THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING, SARAH PROPERTY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 20 TO 30 FEET WAS ALWAYS MAINTAINED BY MY PARENTS, JAMIE, JAMES, AND ED, AND THE WEST, AND THEN MYSELF UPON MY PARENTS DEAD SAM PROPERTY HAS BEEN USED FOR OUTDOOR TOILET FACILITIES.

UM, MY FATHER HAD A SHED ON THE PROPERTY THAT HE KEPT HIS TOOLS.

WE ALSO HAD A DOG PEN OUT THERE, AND WHEN WE NO LONGER USE THAT PROPERTY FOR EITHER OF THOSE, THOSE ITEMS, WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT FOOTAGE OF PROPERTY.

ALSO, MY UNCLE USED TO HAVE A CHICKEN COOP THAT WAS USED AS THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, EVEN AFTER KENNETH WARD AND THEN AT HIS DEATH, HIS DAUGHTER, VIRGINIA WARD UPTAKE, THE SET PROPERTY, 44 16, WE STILL MAINTAIN THE FOOTAGE I AM REFERRING TO OF THIS PROBLEM.

MY DAUGHTER HAS PICTURES THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE FENCE HAS BEEN ERECTED.

UM, AND SOME OTHER LITTLE THINGS THAT I'M SHOWING YOU THAT TO PROVE THAT SOME OF THE MARKETS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

UM, ONLY UNTIL CORY THOMAS DOING BUSINESS AS THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING TO THE OWNERSHIP.

THIS, THIS SO-CALLED TRUE POINT OF BEGINNING WAS USED.

HOWEVER, EVEN AFTER HAVING TWO DIFFERENT SURVEYORS, NEITHER ONE OF THEM OF THEM COULD FIND A MARKER IN THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

WHEN I MENTIONED THAT TO COREY THOMAS, DOING BUSINESS, THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING, HE WAS ADAMANT THAT IT WAS A STRAIGHT LINE AND INFORMED ME THAT HE PLACED PINK BLAGS MARK, AND THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE BACK BEING THAT COREY THOMAS IS DOING BUSINESS AS THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING AND IS NOT A LANCE OR SURVEYOR.

I REMOVED THE FLAGS.

HE LAID UP, PUT IN A SCREW TIGHT IRON PIPE AS A MARKER THAT I TO REMOVE, BECAUSE AGAIN, COREY THOMAS IS DOING VINCE'S THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING AND IS NOT A LAND SURVEYOR.

WHEN I MENTIONED THIS TO HIM, HE INFORMED ME THAT HE USED A METAL DETECTOR TO FIND THE MARKER IN THE BACK AREA OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND THAT IS SO STRANGE TO ME BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER HAD TO USE ONE BEFORE BECAUSE YOU CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THE MARKET WAS BECAUSE PART OF IT WAS OUT, WAS UP FROM THE GROUND.

ALSO, I DISCOVERED THAT A MARKER THAT WAS IN THE FRONT PART OF THE YARD HAD BEEN ZONED.

I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SURVEY CAN JUST MOVE AND ADJUST TO THAT WHEEL BECAUSE COREY THOMAS DOING BUSINESS AS THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING WAS SO ADAMANT ABOUT THE LAND.

HE PURCHASED BEING A PERFECT SQUARE.

AND BECAUSE I WANTED TO

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JUST SEE HOW NEIGHBORLY HE WAS GOING TO BE, I EXPRESSED TO HIM THAT I DID NOT WANT HIM TO RIDE ON TOP OF ME.

AND HE ASSURED ME THAT HE WOULD NOT BEING STILL CONCERNED THAT HE MIGHT NOT BE TELLING THE TRUTH.

I ASKED ABOUT PURCHASING POSSIBLY 20 FEET.

HE STATED, OH, NO PROBLEM.

HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY? MY RESPONSE WAS LETTING ME KNOW WHAT YOU FELT WAS FAIR.

HE THEN SAID THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

THAT WE'RE ALL SET.

SOME OF THE MONIES THAT SPENCER, THAT HE HAD ALREADY INCURRED WHEN HE PUT IN LOADS AND LOADS AND LOADS OF DIRT AND ROCKS, HE LATER CAME BACK TO TEXT ME WITH A RIDICULOUS FIGURE FOR 10 FEET.

INSTEAD OF NONE OF 20, I TOLD HIM HOW I FELT ABOUT IT AND HIS RESPONSE WAS HE DIDN'T WANT TO SELL IT ANYWAY.

AND ONCE THE FENCE IS UP, THE DEAL IS OFF ME.

STILL NOT BELIEVE HIM THAT HE WOULD PUT A FENCE, NOT A PRIVACY FENCE, BUT A BUSINESS TYPE OF BARBED WIRE FENCE, RIGHT BESIDE THE DRIVEWAY CAME TO KNOCK, BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE DID.

EVEN THE MEN THAT YOU WRECKED, THE DEFENSE KNEW THAT IT WAS RIDICULOUS.

THEY ONLY STATED THAT THEY WERE DOING WHAT THEY WERE INSTRUCTED AND WERE BEING PAID TO DO COREY THOMAS, DOING BUSINESS, THOMAS BROTHERS ROOFING.

AND I LATER HAD ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO.

HE ASKED ME WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE FENCE.

AND I TOLD HIM HOW I FAILED TO MY AMAZEMENT.

HE WAS DOING THINGS, UM, AS MY COUSIN ALREADY STATED, HE WAS ALREADY AT LIKE, HE HAD TO GO FOR REZONING THE PROPERTY AS HE DID.

UH, YOU READ THAT BOB WHERE OUR FENCE, HE DID ERECT HIS BUSINESS SIGN.

AND HE SAID THAT HE'S GOING TO PUT AN OFFICE THERE, BUT REALLY, I DON'T THINK HE REALLY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO BECAUSE I'VE ASKED HIM BEFORE HE SAY HE WASN'T, HE WAS INDECISIVE.

WE AS RESIDENTS OF ROCKY ROAD, COMMUNITY HAS NEVER HAD ANY REPRESENTATION, BE IT FROM THE CITY OR FROM THE COUNTY FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE RESIDENTS OF PRIVATE COUNTY.

WHEN THE WARDS ARE ATTAINED THAT PROPERTY YEARS AGO.

AND IT GREW UP SO BAD THAT WE HAD, UM, INFESTATION OF SNAKES.

I CALLED THE CITY, THEY REFERRED ME TO THE COUNTY.

I CALLED THE COUNTY.

THEY REFER ME BACK TO THE CITY.

AGAIN.

I HAD NO RESULTS.

NOW, THE PERSON WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR REPRESENTATIVE HAS NO CLUE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.

WE REALIZED THAT WE ARE LIVING ON WHAT IS SOME CONSIDERED PRIME PROPERTY, AND THAT IT IS LOOKED UPON AS BEING GOOD FOR BUSINESSES INSTEAD OF THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY IN WHICH I HAVE GROWN UP AND BE AGAIN, AS I HAVE MORE YEARS, BECAUSE I AM 62 BEHIND ME THAN I DO IN FRONT OF ME, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO LIVE PEACEABLY AND COMFORTABLY.

SOMETIMES I KNOW IT'S EASIER WHEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A VISUAL.

UM, THIS ONE, I THINK HELPED TIE SOME OF THESE TOGETHER THAT HAVE BEEN STATED BETWEEN MY COUSIN AS WELL AS MY MOTHER.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WE NEED TO GET HER TO SAY HER NAME.

I'M SORRY.

MY NAME IS JARROD HOLMES AND I LIVE AT 2 0 1 ROCKY RUN ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND MY MOTHER AT 44 18 HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH.

UM, AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF TIE SOME THINGS UP, THEY HAVE SAID EVERYTHING VERY WELL, BUT AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THESE PICTURES, I WOULD WANT YOU TO THINK AND ASK YOURSELF, WOULD YOU WANT TO LIVE? AND WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE IN A HOME THAT HAS A FENCE UP, UM, THAT WOULD REMIND YOU OF A STORAGE OR REMINDS YOU OF A PRISON TYPE FENCE? IT IS A BUSINESS FENCE.

AND I WAS TOLD BEFORE, IT'S NO SUCH THING.

THAT'S NOT A FENCE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I'VE NEVER SEEN IT IN MY 44 YEARS.

AND I DON'T THINK I WOULD.

UM, BUT I DO WANT TO WANT YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK, UM, AT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND TO SEE EXACTLY HOW CLOSE THAT FENCE IS TO MY MOM'S HOME INTO THE DRIVEWAY.

UM, IF THESE ARE DAYS THAT MAY NOT BE A BIG DEAL TO YOU GUYS, BUT MY MOM HAS BEEN THERE.

LIKE SHE STAYED AT ALL OF HER LIFE.

WHEN MY GRANDPA, MY UNCLE PASSED AWAY, NO ONE TOOK CARE OF THAT PROPERTY.

AND WHEN WE ASKED, WE GOT TOSSED FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, I FINALLY CLEARED UP PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE DID USE.

AND WE MADE SURE WE, IT MAINTAINED FOR YEARS OVER 20 YEARS.

UM, AND THEN TO JUST COME RIGHT IN, THROW THE FENCE UP AND BASICALLY TELL US, WE'RE LUCKY THAT WE'RE, YOU'RE LUCKY THAT WE'RE ALLOWING YOU TO USE THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE YOU COULD COME IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

NOT SO NEIGHBOR.

UM, WE JUST DON'T WANT ANY MORE BUSINESSES IT'S IT'S ENOUGH.

AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

SO AGAIN, WE ARE ASKING THAT WE KEEP THIS AS A RESIDENCE, RESIDENTIAL AND NOT MOVING

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IT TO C3 AS A C3.

WE ALL KNOW THE POSSIBILITY THAT THAT MAY ACTUALLY BE USED FOR AND WHO WOULD WANT THAT RIPE LITERALLY ON TOP OF THEM, I'VE GIVEN YOU EVERY POSSIBLE ANGLE TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE WITH A CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE FENCE IS.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR THIS.

HELLO.

I HAVE A SURVEY HERE.

DON'T LIKE TO LOOK AT WHERE YOU RAN.

I'M SORRY.

I'M KINDA NERVOUS HERE.

COREY THOMAS, UH, PROPERTY A HUNDRED FORTY FOUR, SIXTEEN USI WAS 17 SOUTH.

UH, I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA SET IN COPE PEPPER ROAD IN NEWBURGH.

I JUST DON'T LIKE PEOPLE TALKING BAD ABOUT THEM SPREADING LIES, BUT HERE IS THE SURVEY THAT I HAD DONE AND SURVEYOR TOLD ME THAT MY PROPERTY LINE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS LADY'S DRIVEWAY.

AND I HAD NO IDEA WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.

I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND HAD SOME MONEY AND THAT WAS A GOOD USE FOR MY MONEY, BUT I DIDN'T SPEND IT AND WASTED AN ASSET, NOT KNOWING WHAT ELSE TO DO WITH IT.

I HAD SOME IDEAS, UM, NO THAT IT WAS ZONE RESIDENTIAL.

UM, BUT FROM RESEARCH, I DID, I NOTICED THAT EVERYTHING AROUND IT WAS COMMERCIAL.

SO WHEN YOU GO PAST THE ROCKY RUN ROAD, YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL, WHICH TOGETHER WITH THE TWO LADIES THAT SPOKE AND YOU GOT COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, EIGHT MORE COMMERCIALS, NOT LOUD.

UM, SO, UM, HERE'S THE SURVEY.

YOU ALL TAKE A LOOK AT PROFESSIONALLY DONE, AND I DID ERECT THE FENCE AND I DID NOT PUT IN HER DRIVEWAY.

I PUT WHERE SHE HAD ACCESS TO HER DRIVEWAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE BAD GUY.

THAT THE WAY SHE WAS BEING WITH ME, I FELT LIKE SOME PEOPLE WOULD PUT IT IN HER DRIVEWAY TO IRRITATE HER IF YOU HAD PLAYED BAD GUY.

BUT I SAID, ALL RIGHT, I'LL PUT IT HERE.

SO YOU CAN USE YOUR DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE RUG AROUND COMMUNITY COMES FROM THE BACK AND USE THAT AS KIND OF AN ALLEYWAY, YOU KNOW, COME OFF THE HIGHWAY.

SO IT DIDN'T HIT THE BACK OF THE HIGHWAY AND WHATNOT.

SO DON'T SURVEY MORE THAN ONE, FOUR OFF THE LINE.

OR ARE YOU ON THE FENCE? HOW FAR OFF YOUR LINE ARE YOU WITH YOUR FENCE? UH, I WOULD SAY A SIX FEET.

SIX FEET, SIR.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR PROPERTY GOES ABOUT MIDWAY IN HER DRIVEWAY, CORRECT ABOUT THAT? CORRECT.

AND YOU YOU'VE HAD, THERE'S BEEN TWO SURVEYORS OUT THAT HAVE SURVEYED.

UM, I SAID, UH, I SAID ONE SERVER OUT AND, UH, WHAT COULD GET BRAD BECAUSE HE WAS BUSY JUST GOING TO SERVE HER OUT.

AND, UH, HE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING.

YOU KNOW, HE SAID HE NEEDED TO GET SOMEBODY MORE EDUCATED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE IS A DEGREE OF SURVEYORS IN THIS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHAT, SO HE HAD TO GO FURTHER BACK TO FIND OUT WHERE THE ACTUAL MARKS WERE.

AND WHEN YOU TOLD ME WHERE THERE, WHERE HE AT COURT, I PULLED FROM BOTH WAYS, AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S AT.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I SAID, ALL RIGHT.

UH, AND, UH, WHAT SHE'S TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT ME PUTTING A STAKE IN THE GROUND, THE FENCE GUYS WERE COMING.

SO I WANT IT TO BE TWO FEET IN ON I'M A PROPERTY UP THERE.

IT'S A REBAR THERE JUST TO SHOW THEM WHERE I WANTED THE PIECE TO GET.

SO, AND I DIDN'T HAVE A METAL DETECTOR TO FIND THE STEAK THAT WAS MARKED UNDERNEATH THE GROUND BECAUSE SHE TOOK UP MY FLAGS.

SO I DIDN'T EXACTLY KNOW WHERE IT WAS.

UH, SO I TOOK THE MERCH AND I SAW MY STEAK THERE WITH THE ACTUAL PINK MARKER ON THE ONLY MR. TOM'S JUST LET ME STOP JUST SECONDARY, MR. DAVIS, COULD YOU KIND OF OFFICIATE A LITTLE BIT AS TO WHAT THE SCOPE OF WHAT OUR HEARING HEARING IS? AND THE MATTER OF THE ZONING IS SO THAT ALL AUDIENCE AND, UH, UH, LIKE OFFICIALS, WE DON'T GET ON PHONE TO OTHER ITEMS THAT MAYBE ARE NOT GERMANE TO THIS DISCUSSION.

THIS IS A ZONING HEARING.

UM, YOUR JOB IS TO DECIDE WHETHER THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONE IS REASONABLE OR NOT IN YOUR OWN VIEW.

UM, WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION TO SETTLE THE PROPERTY LINE DISPUTES.

UM, SO WE, THE APPLICANT HAS PREPARED A SURVEY SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PROCESS.

WE TAKE THAT AS THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS YOUR JOB IS TO, TO DEAL WITH SIMPLY WITH THE ZONING ISSUE.

WHEN THEY WANTED TO SHOW IT.

YES, YES, NO PROBLEM.

I THINK THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH THAT MACHINE WHEN,

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I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SHOW THAT TO THE PUBLIC AND SEE, CAN I TALK TO YOU, RIGHT.

THESE ARE MY REASONS WHY I THINK YOU SHOULD GET REASON TO COMMERCIALS.

UM, OKAY.

UH, THIS IS THE POPULATION OF NEW BIRD HAS INCREASE AS DOUBLE AS IT'S NOT SINCE THE 1950S FROM AROUND 15,000 TO 30,000.

UM, OKAY.

I LOOKED UP WHEN THOSE HOUSES IN THAT AREA WERE BUILT, UH, SURROUNDING ME 44, 18, 19 55, 44, 20 19 40 44, UH, 44, 11, 19 50 44, 13, 19 45, 44, 15, 19 36, 44, 17, 19 68, 44, 19, 19 40, AND MOST RECENT ONE WAS 44, 21, 19 87, 40 YEARS OLD WAS THE MOST RECENT POINT.

A POINT IS TIMES CHANGE TOWNS EXPAND, AND THERE'S A NEED FOR COMMERCIAL ON THAT PARTICULAR, UH, CORRIDOR.

AND WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THEY TARGETED ME WHEN EVERYTHING AROUND THEM IS COMMERCIAL.

EVEN, EVEN THERE'S HOUSES THAT PEOPLE SAID, OKAY, I WANT TO GO IN AND CHECK YOUR TWO COMMERCIAL.

CAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE.

AND I AM WITH THE PEOPLE, UH, APOLOGIZE THAT I HAD TO BUY A PIECE AND SOMEBODY DIDN'T BUY AND PUT A HOUSE ON IT.

YOU KNOW, I JUST, IN MY OPINION AND EVERYBODY'S OPINION AND TALK TO THE PROPERTY IS MORE SUITABLE FOR COMMERCIAL.

UM, LET'S SEE HERE.

IT WAS A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY AND WITHIN A HALF A MILE, YOU HAVE THE, UH, HIGHWAY 43 BYPASS COMING IN THERE.

I JUST, UH, I REALLY THINK THAT IT'S DONE FOR THAT PROPERTY TO BE CHANGED.

AND I PLAN ON PUTTING MY BUSINESS THERE A LITTLE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE A PLACE FROM HIS STORE.

SO MY TRAILERS AND WHATNOT.

AND IN ADDITION TO BUSINESS, OUT OF THERE, ANY QUESTIONS, UM, I THINK WE'RE GOOD LIKE MR. THOMAS.

WHO CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE CLOSEST COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO THIS, THIS LOOKING AT BEING RESIGNED.

AND WHAT IS THAT NAME OF THAT BUSINESS LIKES TIRES AS FAR AS COMMERCIALLY IS OWNED THE PROPERTY.

WHAT ABOUT WHAT IS THE CLOSEST COMMERCIAL PROPERTY? YES.

THE TIRE PLACE.

RIGHT.

AND HOW FAR AWAY IS THAT FROM YOU? OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

HOW LONG BEFORE THE LAST, FURTHER DOWN MR. RUSH HERE, WHO MAY ASK A QUESTION? I THINK IT'S IN THE RIVER, BEEN ZONING ATJ, BUT DID, WERE MR. NORVILLE BY THE SHOP? IS HE JUST BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY? AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE THERE'S A, THERE'S A HOUSE STILL THERE WHERE HE CLEARED THAT LOT UP AND EXPANDED HIS STORAGE AND FENCED IT VERY SIMILAR TO, BUT I THINK THAT'S IN THE RIVER BEND ZONE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THEN THAT'S FURTHER DOWN, BUT THIS IS RIGHT NEAR THE, YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY, IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF OPEN STORAGE ON THE SIDE, IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

AND AT THAT TIME, SOME ADDITIONAL SCREENING WOULD BE REQUIRED AS FAR AS THE FENCE.

AND, UM, IT WOULD PROBABLY, IT WOULD BE AN OPAQUE, UM, CONSIDERING IT'S ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.

SO IT WOULD EITHER BE A SOLID FENCE AS THE, SOME OF THE CITIZENS WERE SPEEDING UP OR AN OPAQUE LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT WOULD NOT BE A, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE.

I SAID, WELL, NUMBER ONE, I WOULD GO TO THE COUNTY TO OTHER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

UM, JAMES WAS 19 0 3 COUNTRY CLUB ROAD.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I SEE ON THIS, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME IT'S COME UP IS THE PREMIER MEMBERS OF THE ROCKY AND COMMUNITY HAVE NO REPRESENTATION ON THE PNC BOARD DEPENDENCY BOARD.

THEY DID NOT.

THEY DON'T.

AND THE ONE REPRESENTATIVE THAT DOES NOT LIVE IN A CITY, IT'S ON THE HIGHWAY 70 CORRIDOR, NOT ONE TIME THIS YEAR.

MATTER OF FACT, NOT ONE TIME IN THE LAST THREE YEARS HAS ANYTHING COME UP ON THE HIGHWAY 70 QUARTER.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN THE ROCKY RUN AREA.

SO THEREFORE THE RESIDENTS IN THE ROCKY RUN AREA HAS NO REPRESENTATION TO TELL THEM WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE.

SO THEREFORE THEY CAN'T COME TO A P AND Z MEETING TO FIGHT THIS BACK.

THEY HAVE TO COME TO YOU GUYS TO FIGHT THIS BACK.

SO BY THE TIME IT COMES TO YOU, P AND Z HAS MADE A DECISION THAT IT'S ALL RIGHT TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY OR THEIR RESIDENT, THEIR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

I GOT A PHONE CALL TWO WEEKS AGO AND THEY ASKED ME, WHAT COULD THEY DO?

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I NEED SOME REPRESENTATION ON THE PNC BOARD AND YOU GUYS NEED TO COME TO THE MEETING.

NUMBER TWO, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL THINGS.

I UNDERSTOOD THE FENCE LINE AND ALL OF THAT.

HOWEVER, WE NEED TO TAKE BETTER CARE OF OUR CITIZENS.

FOR THE, I KNOW THE LAST THREE MEETINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BUSINESSES BEING DONE IN THE ROCKY, RUN A COMMUNITY IN THAT ETJ AREA.

THEY HAVE NO REPRESENTATION.

SO WHAT ARE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO? WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? IF IT WAS ANYBODY ELSE YOU WOULD WANT SOMETHING DONE, JUST LIKE THEY WANT SOMETHING DONE.

I'M NOT HERE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT.

THEY NEED REPRESENTATION ON THE, ON THE P AND Z BOARD.

I UNDERSTAND THE LAW.

I, I WAS HERE WHEN MR. DAVIS TOLD US ABOUT THE LAW.

HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD BE ON THAT BOARD? I WAS HERE.

I TRY TO BE HERE SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY.

NOT IN ROCKY RUN.

I DIDN'T PEMBRO, NOT DOWNTOWN IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN.

YOU CAN SAY TRUMP WAS RUBBER BAND, WHATEVER EVERYBODY'S MAILING ADDRESS IS NEW BERN, NORTH CAROLINA.

YOU KNOW HOW I KNOW THAT I WORKED FOR UPS FOR 20 YEARS.

I DELIVERED EVERYTHING IN THIS AREA BRIDGE THAT IS NEW BERN, NORTH CAROLINA RIVER BEND IS BRISTON, NORTH CAROLINA.

NO ONE HAS A DIFFERENT ZIP CODE THAT ESTABLISHED THEM AS A CITY OUTSIDE OF NEW BERN PERIOD.

SO WE NEED TO DO BETTER REPRESENTING OUR PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

THEY NEED SOMEBODY ON THAT P AND Z BOARD THAT'S REPRESENTING REVERT BECAUSE IT WAS, IS THERE ANYTHING PERTAINING TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? WELL, I SAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO REPRESENTATION ON THE PNC BOARD, BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE REPRESENTATION ON PNC BOARD, THEY WOULD NOT BE BEFORE YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SQUASHED AT P AND Z, NOT HERE.

SO THE ONLY OPTION THEY HAVE IS TACOMA FOR YOU GUYS TO GET IT TAKEN CARE OF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND MAKE COMMENTS, STATEMENTS, CONCERNS.

THEY ALL HAVE EMOTIONAL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY, AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

SAY QUESTION.

UM, THIS IS, UH, ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS.

THE ETJ MR. DAVIS, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ZONING? I KNOW YOU DON'T REPRESENT THEM, BUT DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ANY, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF? NO, SIR.

SO IF THE CITY WERE TO THEORETICALLY, SAY WE NO LONGER WANT TO HAVE ETJ IN THIS 17 CORRIDOR, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO LONGER BE ZONING AND EVERY PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE FREE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WELL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON, ON THE ALDERMAN ITEMS, QUESTIONING WHAT WILL BE THE PROCEDURE.

IF THE BOARD DECIDED NOT TO HAVE ETJ IN THIS AREA, THE LEGAL PROCEDURE, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT MIRROR.

I'M NOT GOING TO HURT TO GET INTO THAT TONIGHT.

UNFORTUNATELY.

CALLING ON, BUT EVERYTHING ACROSS THE STREET IS RESIDENTIAL.

WELL, THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS, UM, THE REPRESENTATION, MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, MR. DAVIS, THE REASON WE ELIMINATED, THERE WERE THREE SEATS ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, WHICH REPRESENTED A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THAT BOARD.

WHEN A VERY SMALL MINUTE TOPIC CAME UP, THAT WAS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

SO ESSENTIALLY WE HAD THREE REPRESENTATIVES OUT OF HOW MANY, NINE OR 10, NINE OR 10 THAT WERE MAKING DECISIONS FOR THE CITY OF NUMEROUS CITY LIMITS, UM, WHICH WAS NOT REALLY FAIR.

IT WAS VERY UNBALANCED.

UM, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE REPRESENTATION QUESTION AND I, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, CHAIRMAN JASON JONES CONTACTED ME TODAY AND SAID HE HAD RECEIVED SOME PHONE CALLS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HE WAS CALLING TO LET ME KNOW THAT HE HAD RECEIVED THOSE CALLS AND VOICED THEIR OPPOSITION OF THE RESIGNING.

SO, UH, HE DID REACH OUT TO EXPRESS THAT INFORMATION TO ME.

UM, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE FRUSTRATION OF THE HOMEOWNER.

UH, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND, AND JEFF PLEASE CORRECT ME BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION IN THE AUDIENCE THAT IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL ON EACH SIDE, BUT ACCORDING TO THE MAP AND INFORMATION WE HAVE, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE THE PARCELS, THERE'S AT LEAST FOUR THAT'S COMMERCIAL

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CORRECT.

I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT IT, EVERYTHING ACROSS THE STREET IS RESIDENTIAL, SO IT'S REAL.

AND THEN THE BACKSIDE OF IT, THERE'S ALL RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

BUT TYPICALLY IN DEVELOPMENT, JEFF IS WHEN YOU HAVE A HIGHWAY COME THROUGH, USUALLY YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL ON YOUR HIGHWAY CORRIDOR WITH DIFFERENT THINGS BEHIND THAT.

UM, MS. MS. SIMMONS AND MS. GRAY, UM, DO YOU, YOU PAY TAXES, CITY AND COUNTY TAXES? NO CRAVEN COUNTY.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A RESIDENT, AS A PROPERTY OWNER AND YOU PAY COUNTY TAXES, YOU WOULD THINK THAT CREEPING COUNTY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO YOUR AID IN SOME WAY.

AND I AGREE WITH MR. WOODS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY TO REPRESENT YOUR COMMUNITY ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

SO I WAS JUST, UH, THAT, THAT THE CITIZENS IN FOR FUTURE REFERENCE THAT YOU WOULD CONTACT YOUR, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND, AND HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT Y'ALL CAN COME UP WITH FOR REPRESENTATION.

UM, MS. SIMMONS AND MS. GRAY, OR Y'ALL ON THE AREA RIGHT THERE WHERE THE SITE, WHAT THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE IS, IS THAT TO INDIVIDUAL LOTS WHERE YOU LIVE MS. SIMMONS AND MS. GRAY.

SO Y'ALL HAVE SIDE BY SIDE.

MR. RUGERI, IS THAT CORRECT? IF MY MANAGER'S LOOKING LIKE IS REV COMMERCIAL, BUT YOU COULD HAVE RESTAURANT.

YOU CAN HAVE THE ZONING.

YES, YES, SIR.

UM, SO WE'LL TALK WITH THE ZONING WAS, UH, PUT IN PLACE OVER THAT.

SO EXISTING USES REALLY ARE WHAT THEY ARE UNTIL SOMEONE ASKED TO CHANGE THAT AND RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL ZONE.

UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY THIS MUCH.

UM, I WOULD REALLY FEEL A LOT COMFORTABLE IF OFFENSE WAS, HAD BEEN ERECTED THERE AND IT WAS A PRIVACY FENCE.

UM, JEFF, UM, I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON ANOTHER QUESTION.

UM, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

SO HIS FENCE RIGHT NOW WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION, CORRECT INSPECTION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPEN STORAGE OF MATERIALS, WHICH IS WHAT I HEARD THE APP, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO AS, AS WE KNOW THAT THE RANGE OF USES ARE ALLOWED, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPEN STORE TO BUILDING MATERIALS, THEN THAT WOULD TRIGGER A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS AND ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING COMMERCIAL ZONING ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL REQUIRES AN OPAQUE SCREEN LANDSCAPE POP, YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS IN THE CODE TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUIREMENT, EITHER A SOLID FENCE OR AN OPAQUE LANDSCAPING BUFFER AT THAT, UM, THAT YOU CAN'T SEEK ONCE IT'S MATURED AT A CERTAIN MOMENT OF TIME.

SO IS THAT FIXED? IS THAT FENCE ILLEGAL NOW? NO, SIR.

FOR TRAFFIC PURPOSES FOR ZONING PURPOSES, THAT YELLOW SEGMENT HAS JUST NOT COME WHENEVER WE ZONE ONE SIDE, WHEN WE HAVE TWO ZONES ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE STREET, WE CAN ALWAYS GO AHEAD AND CROSS.

WELL, UNTIL HE PUTS, UH, EQUIPMENT OR MATERIALS, CAN WE HA AND WE HAD, UM, CONVERSATIONS WITH THOMAS WHILE HE WAS, UM, UH, BUILDING THE SHED AND, UM, AND HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE SHED AND THEN FOR OUR CODE PURPOSES, AND THIS IS AN ACCESSORY USE.

YOU CAN HAVE AN ACCESSORY USE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY UNLESS YOU HAVE A PRIMARY USE.

AND HE HAD NO PRIMARY USE.

HIS INTENTION WAS TO USE IT AS STORAGE.

HE UNDERSTANDS THAT.

UH, SO, UM, LIKE HE, HE STOPPED WITH THAT PROCESS, JEFF, THE ACTUAL HIGHWAY.

HOW DOES THAT GET DETERMINED? WHAT THE ZONING IS OF THE HIGHWAY ITSELF? OH, THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY JUST THE LINE ON IT HAS NO ZONING.

WE CLOSE THE STREETS.

SO THEORETICALLY, HOW IS 17? MLK IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OVERLAY.

WE DEFINITELY DO THIS.

SO REALLY THAT SHOULD BE PEAK AND COMMERCIAL THE ACTUAL HIGHWAY.

UM, NOT HERE, IF IT TELLS AN EXTENT IT IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR

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YOU CAN'T CROSS IF THERE'S NOTHING TO CONNECT TO.

SO WHEN MIKE'S TIRE WAS REZONED, WHY DID IT CROSS THE HIGHWAY? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CASE THAT CONNECTED TO THAT'S RIGHT.

HE DIDN'T OWN THE PROPERTY.

JEFF, GOING BACK TO THE TH TH THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, ON THE DEED, WOULDN'T IT TELL THEM THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY YES.

ON THE SURVEY.

SO WITH THAT FENCE BEING THERE, THEY SHOULD KNOW WHERE, WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE BEGINS TO END.

HOMOGENOUS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH C3 ZONE.

SO, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY HE HAS, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT APPEARS THAT IT DID, UH, THE APPLICANT SURVEY, THE PROPERTY, ESTABLISH THE STAKES TO PUT IN FROM THOSE PROPERTY LINES AND THEN DIRECT THE FENCE MS. ROSA AREA, WHEN YOU'RE DOING PERMITTING, OR YOU ARE REVIEWING LANDSCAPING, UM, OPAQUE, LANDSCAPING, CETERA, GENERALLY SPEAKING, DO THE PROPERTY OWNERS PUT THE FOLIAGE SIX INCHES OFF THE LINE WHEN IT, UM, ONE FOOT OFF THE LINE ON THE LINE, WHAT DO THEY NORMALLY THE BUFFER'S ESTABLISHED WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO IT CAN ZIPS, THEY CAN EXIST IN THAT BUMPER.

IT CAN WORK.

IT CAN BE IN THE BUFFER BETWEEN 10 FEET FROM THE BARBIE LINE.

SO AGAIN, MY QUESTION WAS GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN A PERSON IMPROVES THE PROPERTY, DID THEY NORMALLY PUT THE FOLIAGE RIGHT DOWN THE LINE OR DID THEY GENERALLY SPEAKING? I PUT OFF, YEAH.

THEY GENERALLY SEND IT BACK FOR MAINTENANCE.

AND MY, AND SO IN THIS CASE, I THINK MR. THOMAS PUT HIS FENCE SIX FEET TO THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? MR. THOMAS, YOU HAD A SURVEY RIGHT BEFORE I MOVED IT OVER TO GET ACCESS TO THE DRIVEWAY.

AND IF YOU WERE TO IMPROVE IT AND HE HAD A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU LEGALLY UNLESS SOMEBODY CONTEST THE SURVEY YOU HAVE, YOU COULD PUT THAT OPAQUE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

YOU COULD PUT IT RIGHT THERE, LEGALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DRIVEWAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT.

BUT ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING THAT OR WOULD YOU WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS? AND IF YOU PUT A FENCE SIX FEET OFF, I ASSUME YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY, SIR.

AND EVEN AT BROCK, THEY PAID TO GET IT, YOU KNOW, WELL, AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION.

THE HISTORY OF THAT PROPERTY OUT THERE IS THAT WHEN THE ATJ WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED, SOME OF THE OWNERS EXPRESS THE WONT FOR A C3 COMMERCIAL TYPE ZONING, SOME WANTED SINGLE FAMILY, SOME DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING.

AND SO THE CITY OF NEWBURN DID WHAT THEY DID WITH THIS MAPPING.

AND NOW WE, WE GET TO DO THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND THE THING IS, IS THAT HISTORICALLY THE PROPERTIES THAT HAD SOLD OUT THERE FROM A REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE, THE MAXIMUM REPRODUCTIVE LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE, FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, MAXIMALLY PRODUCTIVE USE HAS SHOWN HISTORIC NUMBERS THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES, THE SALES PRICES FOREIGN SEE RESIDENTIAL, WHAT YOU WOULD PAY FOR A RESIDENTIAL LOT.

NOW THAT IS LIMITED BY THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUILT OUT THERE IS IN CASE MR. NORVILLE, THOUGH, THEY BOUGHT AN ADJACENT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

WELL, HE HAS A DIFFERENT DEAL.

HOWEVER, HE'LL WORK AT WITH BEN.

BUT IN THAT AREA, THERE IS LIMITED BY THE MARGINAL SOUL CONDITIONS AND THE LIMITATIONS OF A PRIVATE COMMERCIAL SEWER IMPROVEMENT TO GO ON THERE, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A MIKE'S TIRE.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH VERY UNIQUE SITUATION ALL UP AND DOWN THAT CORRIDOR THERE.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE, I THINK REASONABLE AS I THINK THAT'S ON THE BOARD WAS THE QUESTION IS THAT UNDER THE C3 ZONING, WHICH I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THIS, BUT I RUN INTO THIS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I HAVE MORTGAGE COMPANIES THAT CALL ME AND TRENTON VILLAGE ON TRENT ROAD, TRENT VILLAGE ON TRENT ROAD IS C3 ZONE.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY CONCERNS MORTGAGE COMPANIES BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE IN THAT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

NO, THEY'RE NOT.

THEY'RE HAVING A TOTALLY

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SO C3 ZONING, EQUITABLY FOR ALL CONCERN GIVES PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, WHICH WE ALL HAVE AS INDIVIDUAL OWNERS.

IT GIVES ALL OF US THE RIGHT C3 ZONING TO MAXIMIZE WHATEVER UTILITY USE OF THAT PROPERTY ONE WOULD WANT TO DO.

SO AGAIN, IF, IF, IF PEOPLE, IF, IF RESIDENTS ALONE THEIR ON PROPERTY OWNERS ARE CONCERNED WITH THE FACT THAT THEY WANT THAT AREA TO STAY RESIDENTIAL IT, EVEN WITH C3 ZONING, YOU CAN STAY SINGLE FAMILY AND GET A PERMANENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

SAID QUESTION IS, IS THAT FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH, THE CITY AND DIFFERENT CAN DO ONE OF TWO THINGS.

IT CAN DENY THIS TONIGHT.

IT CAN APPROVE IT, WHICH IN THIS IS A TRANSITION AREA AND THE PREPONDERANCE OF TRANSITION HAS BEEN COMMERCIAL OUT THERE.

UH, THAT'S AN OBJECTIVE STATEMENT.

THAT'S NOT SUBJECTIVE ON MY PART.

MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE TO YOU HALL, UH, ROYAL, WE, WE DID THE SAME THING OF YEARS AGO FOR Y'ALL REMEMBER ROYAL COAT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD HAD A HANA RTN OR WHATEVER IT WAS, AND THEY WANTED TO C3 AND WE ARGUED AND BELABORED THIS THING FOR A COUPLE HOURS.

AND THEN WE DID THE C3, WHICH IS A REASONABLE ZONING FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH THAT.

UM, I'M SORRY THAT, UM, THAT'S MY OPINION, UH, THAT IT MAY BE, UH, IS UPSETTING TO SOME PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THAT'S A GROWTH AREA.

IT'S, IT'S A HIGH WING.

UM, I CERTAINLY WOULD HOPE THAT BECAUSE WE, AS A BOARD ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT USAGES.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT GENERALITIES AND ZONING.

UM, I JUST ENCOURAGE ALL PROPERTY OWNERS TO COMMUNICATE AND WORK WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.

AND I THINK IF YOU'VE STAYED SIX FEET OFF OF THAT, BECAUSE I GET THE OPINION, HAVING PHYSICALLY GONE BY AND LOOKED AT IT THAT YOU TRIED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR BY STAYING OFF OF THE MIDDLE OF A PERSON'S DRIVEWAY.

NOW, AGAIN, I'M, I'M SORRY IF I'M OFFENDING ANYBODY OR THESE ARE JUST COLD, COLD FACTS CONCERNING THAT PROPERTY.

SO IS IT THAT WE WANTED TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE ATTORNEYS, YOU NEVER, YOU HAVE A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ZONING BOARD.

ZONING CONSISTENCY, 4 44, 16 USA.

AND THEY HAVE REVIEWED THIS AND HAVE MADE A RECOMMENDED THAT NATION TO THE NEW-BORN BOARD OF ALDERMEN OR UNANIMOUS DECISION FAVORING, THIS, THIS SELLING CHANGE.

I MEAN, THEY MADE THE UNANIMOUS DECISION THE LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE.

SO WE DECIDED TO VOTE DOWN.

I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL CROSS RESIDENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE, MY CONCERN ABOUT CHANGING IT TO C3 IS YOU HAVE NO GUARANTEE.

YES, YOU CAN DO RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEN YOU GET A USE OF TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOUR HOME.

I MEAN, THAT, THAT CONCERNS ME THE VALUE OF SOMEONE'S HOME OF THE PLACE WHERE THEY LIVE.

I KNOW IT'S IN TRANSITION, BUT THAT'S JUST THAT'S ME.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

IT WOULD BOTHER ME.

AND SO MY VOTE WOULD BE NO, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I MAY BE IN THE MINORITY, BUT NOT IN THE MINORITY.

I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH YOU.

I WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY IF I LIVED THERE AND HAD THAT TYPE OF FENCE BESIDE ME AND THE VEHICLES AND THE TRAFFIC COMING IN BESIDE ME, UM, I FEEL THE SAME WAY I WOULD HAVE TO VOTE NO AS WELL.

THERE'S NO MORE QUESTION.

EMOTION, EMOTION THAT WE CONSIDER A DOMINANT STATEMENT.

17 SOUTH CONSISTENCY.

YES SO AT THIS POINT THERE'S NO SECOND.

SECOND.

IT APPEARS THE MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND

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SO MAYOR I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE STATEMENT OF ZONING INCONSISTENCY SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DENIAL OF THE C3 ZONING ITEM, ALDERMAN ITEM.

NO OUTER MENDEZ.

I AM VOTING FOR INCONSISTENCY, WHICH WOULD BE A YES.

UM, OTTOMAN ASKED HER BAGEL.

NEXT TIME, JUST CONSIDER A RESOLUTION.

THAT'S A TOUGH THREE TO THREE ATTORNEY DAVIS TAKE THE MAJORITY MAYOR FOR THE BOARD TO ACT, TAKES A MAJORITY FOR THE BOARD TO ACT.

WHAT WAS THE VOTE AGAIN? ALDERMAN BINGO.

OUTER MCKINSEY AND AUTODESK WERE IN FAVOR.

ALDERMAN, HER MAYOR OUTLAW AND ALDERMAN ODOM AGAINST.

SO CAN WE TABLE THIS? IS THAT WHAT WE, WHAT WE WOULD DO AND TABLE IT? YES.

MA'AM.

UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A CHANGE OF VIEW ON THIS MAYOR.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO, IF THE BOARD IS AMENABLE TO HAVE STAFF RESEARCH, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO REMOVE THE ROCKY RUN ETJ FROM THE CITY OF NEWBURGH RESPONSIBILITY, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT ALL.

UM, I'M JUST, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, HEARING SOMETHING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY MANAGER ON THE PROS AND CONS OF ETJ.

I THINK IT'S TIME SINCE WE'RE NO MORE FOR SCHOOL ANNEXATIONS.

I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE GET OUT OF THE ETJ BUSINESS.

[9. Consider Adopting a Resolution Authorizing the Addition of Streetlights on Colony Drive.]

GO TO THE NEXT ITEM.

I REMEMBER NINE THERE.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ADDITION OF STREETLIGHTS ON COLONY DRIVE.

STAFF HAS EVALUATED THE REQUEST AND DETERMINED THE AREA DOES NOT MEET THE CITY'S LIGHT STANDARD OR RECOMMENDED THE ADDITION OF TWO STREET LIGHTS.

THE INSTILLATION OF THE LIGHTS WILL COST $4,028, 14 CENTS.

AND THE MONTHLY UTILITY CHARGE OR SERVICE WILL BE $32 54 CENTS.

AND THEN THAT FROM MR. BURCHARD IS ATTACHED.

NO ONE DOES ANYTHING.

UM, LIKE, SO MOVE SECOND LOTION SAKE.

WAS THERE DISCUSSION SEEN ON THE SEVERAL ROLL CALLS STARTING WITH ALL OF THEM, A MANUAL ALDERMAN? YES.

ALDERMAN ASKED HER MAY YOUR OUTLAW ARGUMENT, KINSEY OTTOMAN BEZ ALDERMAN ITEMS. YES.

[10. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving the NBAMPO 5303 Grant Contract with the NC Department of Transportation.]

APPROVING THE NEWBURN AREA.

METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION.

53 0 3 GRANT CONTRACT WITH THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

ON BEHALF OF THE MPO CITY HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS THE DIRECT RECIPIENT OF SECTION 53, A THREE, A FOUR FOR URBAN PLANNING FUNDS.

THESE FUNDS ARE MANAGED BY THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION DIVISION TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS.

THE BOARD VARDAMAN MUST ADOPT A RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SIGN A GRANT AGREEMENT WITH THE NCD OT TOTAL ALLOCATION FOR FYI 2122 IS $25,000.

AND THAT REFLECTS FEDERAL AND STATE SHERIFFS 22,500 AND LOCAL SHARE OF $2,500.

THE LOCAL SHARE WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

PARTICIPATING IN THE NEWBURN NPO NEWBURN SHARE WOULD BE $1,387 RIVER BIN $148 50 CENTS.

TRENT WOODS, $203 50 CENTS.

BRIDGESTON $21 AND CRAVEN COUNTY $740 MEMO FROM MS. MAXIE IS ATTACHED FOR REFERENCE MARY, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING IN NEWBURN AREA CODE 5 5303 GRANT CONTRACT WITH NCD OT.

THE SECOND IS THERE DISCUSSION, SO YOU NOTICE THAT ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN ODOM, ALDERMAN ITEM.

ALDERMAN ALDERMAN KINSEY.

YES, YES.

EQUIPMENT WILL BE UTILIZED TO MONITOR THE WATER LEVELS OF THE NEUSE RIVER.

[11. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a License Agreement with Woods Hole Group for NOAA Monitoring Equipment at the Broad Street Terminus.]

NUMBER 11.

NEXT ITEM.

JUST CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH WITHHOLD GROUP RINELLA MONITORING EQUIPMENT AT THE BROAD STREET TERMINUS, THE WOODS HOLE GROUP IS SEEKING A LICENSE AGREEMENT TO TEMPORARILY INSTALL AND ATTACH A NOAA ADMINISTRATION EQUIPMENT.

UH, AT THE BROAD STREET TERMINUS, THIS

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THE LICENSE AGREEMENT WOULD TERMINATE AT MIDNIGHT ON MAY 30, 20, 22, UM, MR. CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, IF WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA, LACK OF ACCESS TO THAT.

WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA.

WE CAN CHECK WITH THEM TO SEE IF WE CAN GET, I MEAN, THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR IF SOMEBODY TO CONTINUE TO HAVE LIVE ACCESS TO THAT DATA.

UH, I'VE READ THROUGH THIS INFORMATION.

DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE EQUIPMENT, A SOLID, OH, YOUR AERIAL MAP WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT HOW BIG IS THIS? IT'S NOT VERY INTRUSIVE.

IT'S UM, THEY, THEY DID SEND A PHOTO.

I BELIEVE IN ONE OF THE EMAILS WE HAD CORRESPONDENCE WITH AND THIS, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW, BUT, UH, THE BEST WORD I CAN REMEMBER, REALLY THE MONITOR IS REALLY THE BIGGER THAN THE, THE GLOBE LAMP YOU SEE THERE.

AND IT DOES EXTEND THAT WILL STAND ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HAND RAIL INTO THE WATER.

SO IT WILL BE LIKE FIVE FEET OFF THE BASE ELEVATION THERE, APPROXIMATELY.

AND UM, IF WE WERE TO IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY IN ANY WAY, DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT COULD BE PUT IN SUCH A WAY AS TO WHERE IT WOULDN'T IN ANY WAY BE INVASIVE OR, WELL, THIS IS A TEMPORARY MARKER, SO IT WOULD BE REMOVED BY SPRING OF NEXT YEAR.

SO THIS IS JUST A ONE YEAR.

IT'S NOT EVEN ONE YEAR, IT'S ALMOST SEVEN MONTHS.

AND SO AFTER THE MAY 31ST IT BE TAKEN UP AND THERE'S NO MORE RESPONSIBILITY OF ON ANYBODY FOR THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, APPROVING A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH WOODS HOLE GROUP FOR THE NOA MONITORING EQUIPMENT AT THE BROAD STREET.

SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SCENE ON DECEMBER ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH GOVERNMENT BAGEL? YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

MOTION CARRIES.

I REMEMBER 12.

[Items 12 - 14]

THE NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE BUILDING RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMMUNITIES PROGRAM FOR THE WTO CANAL RESTORATION PROJECTS, SCOPING CAPABILITY AND CAPACITY BUILDING ACTIVITY.

SO THIS IS A FEMA FUNDED PROGRAM.

IF AWARDED THE GRANT FUNDS WOULD BE USED TO PERFORM PROJECT SCOPING ACTIVITIES RELATIVE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND ANALYSIS OF THE HYDROLOGIC AND HYDRAULIC MODEL TO COLLECT TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY DATA AND RAINFALL PREDICTION INFORMATION NEEDED TO DEVELOP A MODEL OF THE CANAL AND ASSOCIATED DRAINAGE INFORMATION.

THE MODEL WOULD BE ANALYZED TO ASCERTAIN THE PIECE ABILITY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF VARIOUS FLOOD MITIGATION STRATEGIES AND TO DEVELOP CONCEPTS OR PLANS.

THIS WILL BE HELPFUL IN DEVELOPING A PHASE CONSTRUCTION AND RESTORATION PLAN FOR THE DISTRICT FIELD CANAL AND SURROUNDING AREAS TO COST FOR THE SCOPING PROJECT IS $200,000 GRANT FUNDS WOULD COVER $140,000 WITH A $60,000 MATCH CONSISTENT OF CASH DONATED OR THIRD-PARTY IN KIND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, MATERIALS, OR COMBINATION THEREOF.

MS. OWEN SALEN IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, UH, FOSTER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT, WHAT THREE, THESE THREE ITEMS, THREE SEPARATE GROUNDS, RIGHT? UNDERSTOOD.

AND IF WE COULD DISCUSS THEM TOGETHER, I THINK IT WOULD BE EASY.

TELL ME ABOUT WHERE THE MATCHING FUNDS ARE GOING TO COME FROM, OR THESE OTHER FUNDS THAT WE MAY BE GETTING FROM ARP MONIES OR ANYTHING ELSE WE DON'T KNOW.

SO THIS WILL TOTALLY COME OUT OF OUR BUDGET.

CORRECT.

UM, ARP FUNDS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR MATCHING FOR FEDERAL.

BUT, UM, WOULD THIS COME OUT OF WATER AND SEWER MONEY? UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS, WE COULD LOOK AT WATER SEWER, WE COULD LOOK AT UTILITY FUND BALANCE AND LET'S SEE HERE.

EITHER EITHER OF THOSE FUND BALANCES WE COULD USE AND, UM, ALDERMAN BAKEL, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OTHER GRANTS THAT MAY BE ELIGIBLE TO COVER THAT, THAT COST.

AND I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THE 60 I'M CONCERNED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, 1.8 MILLION THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WOULD BE A MATCH.

CORRECT.

BECAUSE ON THE SECOND ONE, THE TOTAL COST IS THAT 6 MILLION, RIGHT? CORRECT.

FOR THE UTILITY PROJECT, THE ELECTRIC SUBSTATION.

DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD? DO YOU WANT TO BREAK ALL OF THOSE? WELL, WE MIGHT AS WELL, WELL MAYBE WE CAN EVEN ADOPT THEM TOGETHER.

DOES HAVE A $6 MILLION COST, UH, WHICH WOULD BE A $4.2 MILLION, UH, FEDERAL COST SHARE.

UM, SO THE NEXT PROJECT, UM, ON YOUR LIST IS A INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE TO BUILD AN ADDITIONAL SUBSTATION IN THE SOUTHEAST SECTION OF THIS CITY.

SO THIS IS A NEED, UH, TO INCREASE THE RESILIENCE, RESILIENCY, AND CAPACITY OF OUR ELECTRIC UTILITY.

UM, THAT PROJECT

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AND THEN THE LOCAL MAP WOULD BE $1.8 MILLION.

UM, OUR UNDERSTANDING AND WORKING WITH THE STATE AND FEMA IS THAT WE COULD USE MATCHING FUNDS BASICALLY UP TO THE POINT OF CONSTRUCTION OR, YOU KNOW, PURCHASING EQUIPMENT.

SO I KNOW THAT WITHIN, UM, THE ELECTRIC BUDGET THIS YEAR, YOU ALL AUTHORIZED, I BELIEVE IT'S $500,000 TO START SOME OF THE ENGINEERING AND ACQUISITION FOR THAT PROJECT.

UM, IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED AS PART OF THE LONG RANGE PLAN, UM, FOR THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT.

SO, UH, POTENTIALLY SOME OF THAT $500,000 COULD CONTRIBUTE TO THAT MATCH.

AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, OTHER FUNDS, UH, WITHIN THE CITY, THE, UM, ELECTRIC FUND OR, UM, OTHER SOURCES COULD BE USED TO MEET THAT $1.8 MILLION OR MATCH.

UM, UM, YEAH.

QUESTION ON THE ELECTRIC PORTION, IT SAYS WARDS TWO AND FIVE.

IS THAT ACCURATE OR IS THAT JUST THE TYPE OF, IT SAYS WARDS IF APPLE TWO AND FIVE, BUT WITNESS SUBSTATION, RIGHT.

IT SHOULD.

I THINK THAT THAT PROBABLY IS A TYPO OR A LEFTOVER, PROBABLY GOES FROM, SO IT WOULD TIE IN WITH OUR EXISTING THREE SUBSTATIONS.

SO IT WOULD ALLOW THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO MOVE SOME OF THAT LOAD AROUND, UM, AS WELL AS PROVIDE, UM, ADDITIONAL FEED OR LINES, UM, YOU KNOW, IN INSTANCES OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DISRUPTIONS.

AND DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS OF WINNING THIS GRANT OR ARE THEY ALL GONNA BE, THEY WOULD ALL BE SEPARATE.

THEY ARE ALL NATIONALLY COMPETITIVE, UM, PROJECTS.

UM, SO I SHARED WITH YOU A LOT OF THE KIND OF BACKGROUND OF THE BRIDGE PROGRAM.

IT'S QUITE EXTENSIVE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

THERE IS A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS THAT IS COMPLETED.

UM, AND SO IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE, THAT VCA HAS TO COME OUT ABOVE ONE.

UM, SO WE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THOSE GRANT APPLICATIONS.

WHAT WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE STATE THOUGH IS OUR, UM, LETTERS OF INTEREST, WHICH WE SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 1ST.

UM, THE STATE BASICALLY REVIEWED THOSE WITH A TECHNICAL COMMITTEE AND OUR TWO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, AS FAR AS THE STATE REVIEWERS, UH, THE DUFFY FIELDS STORMWATER PROJECT, I BELIEVE SCORED NUMBER ONE.

AND THIS ELECTRIC SUBSTATION PROJECT SCORED NUMBER 11 OUT OF 140, UM, REQUESTS THAT THEY RECEIVED.

SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, AT LEAST AT THE STATE LEVEL, THEY'RE VERY COMPETITIVE PROJECTS.

UH, THE NORTH CAROLINA EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIVISION, UM, YOU KNOW, IS ENCOURAGING US TO APPLY.

AND OF COURSE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF CHARLIE WERE HERE, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE NEED THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH IN OVERALL RESILIENCY OF OUR UTILITY.

UM, AND IF WE DID NOT GO FOR THESE FUNDS, THEN THE CITY POTENTIALLY WOULD NEED TO FIND A WAYS OR A MECHANISM OR DEBT SERVICE, OR HOWEVER YOU WOULD WANT TO GO TO FUND THE ENTIRE COST OF THE PROJECT.

UM, FEMA REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF A 25% LOCAL MATCH.

WE HAVE, UM, PUT IN HERE FOR A 30% MATCH BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO, UM, UH, SECURE MORE POINTS, UM, FOR THESE PROJECTS.

HEY, CHARLIE, CHARLIE'S HAD CONVERSATION WITH HIS BOARD ABOUT THE SUBSTATION AND THE SUBSTATION.

I THINK WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT ONCE BEFORE WE DID, WE APPLIED FOR AN EDA GRANT, UM, W THROUGH THEIR DISASTER RECOVERY AND THEN THEIR, UM, BASICALLY, UH, PANDEMIC RESPONSE FUNDS.

UM, IT WAS HARD FOR US TO ALIGN ON THAT PROJECT WITH THE PRIORITIES OF THE EDA FUND.

BRICK IS A MUCH CLOSER ALIGNMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE WITHIN THE, THE, UM, DETAILS I SUPPLIED THAT FEMA IS LOOKING AT THE SEVEN LIFELINES WHERE ONE OF THOSE LIFELINES IS ENERGY.

SO OBVIOUSLY THAT PROJECT DIRECTLY ALIGNS WITH THOSE LIFELINES AND SUPPORTS NEARLY, UH, ALL OF THE SIX OTHERS, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SAFETY, SECURITY, YOU KNOW, UH, IN, IN ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO, UH, IT CERTAINLY ALIGNS BETTER WITH FEMA'S BRICK PROGRAM THAN IT DID OTHER SOURCES THAT WE HAD APPLIED TO.

WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO NEED.

CHARLIE HAS TOLD US THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE HIS SUBSTATION.

SO WE CERTAINLY, IF WE CAN GET SOME GRANT MONEY, WE COME OUT WITH 1.5 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS INVOLVED IN THIS, WHICH WILL BE A LOT CHEAPER THAN FUNDING

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THE WHOLE PROJECT.

SO, RIGHT.

IF YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THREE OF THESE PROJECTS, YOU TALKING ABOUT 3.3 MILLION, SO YES, AND I CAN SPEAK MORE ABOUT THE MATCH FUNDS FOR THE DUFFY FIELD STORMWATER PROJECT.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN UNDERWAY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS NOW, AND WE DO HAVE OTHER POTENTIAL GRANT FUNDS THAT COULD CONTRIBUTE TO THAT MATCH.

UM, WE HAVE THE ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENT GRANT.

UM, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $134,000.

UM, TOWARD THAT MATCH.

WE ALSO HAD RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM THE DIVISION OF WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STATE REVOLVING LOAN FUND WE HAD APPLIED, UM, FOR UP TO $885,000 WORTH OF FUNDS TO GO TOWARDS, UH, THAT PROJECT.

SO WE CAN PULL FROM THAT.

AND WE ACTUALLY FOUND OUT FROM THE STATE THAT WE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO TAKE OUT UP TO $5 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT.

SO WE COULD INCREASE THAT AMOUNT FOR THAT LOCAL MATCH.

OF COURSE, THAT IS ALONE VERY, VERY, VERY LOW INTEREST.

WHOA, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD LOOK OUT FOR THAT MATCH.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE EEG FUNDS AND, UM, LEVERAGING SOME OF THE OTHER SOURCES THAT WE'VE HAD SUCCESS WITH.

SO WHEN, SO, UM, WITH THE FEDERAL AND STATE, UM, GRANTS, WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION DATE? I KNOW YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT THIS STUFF IN NOVEMBER THIS MONTH.

SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, THE INITIAL INTEREST LETTERS WERE DUE OCTOBER 1ST.

WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM THE STATE ON THE 18TH OF OCTOBER THAT WE WERE INVITED TO, UH, COMPLETE A FULL SUB APPLICATION.

AND THOSE ARE DUE BACK TO THE STATE ON NOVEMBER 24TH OF THIS MONTH.

SO A VERY TIGHT TURNAROUND ON THESE APPLICATIONS.

UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR RESILIENCE CONSULTANT WEATHER'S RAVENEL, WHO HAS HELPING US DEVELOP THESE TECHNICAL APPLICATIONS, UM, IN NARRATIVE PORTIONS OF, UH, THE PLANTS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, QUITE A QUICK TURNAROUND AND THEN THE STATE WILL NCM WILL BE REVIEWING THOSE APPLICATIONS, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL NEEDED INFORMATION OR CLARIFICATION, THEY HAVE TIME BEFORE THEY SUBMIT THE GRANT APPLICATION TO FEMA, I BELIEVE ON JANUARY 28TH, THEN IT GOES FOR FEDERAL REVIEW, THE NATIONAL COMMITTEES THAT REVIEW THESE, UM, APPLICATIONS AND THEN AWARD AS EXPECTED IN SUMMER OF 2022 LAST YEAR, THAT WAS JULY.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE WOULD ANTICIPATE A SIMILAR TIMEFRAME THIS YEAR.

SO IN CORRESPOND WITH OUR UPCOMING BUDGET CYCLE AS WELL, AMANDA, WHAT'S THE GRANT AND IMPLEMENTATION PERIOD.

IT'S 36 MONTHS.

SO THREE YEARS WOULD NOT HAVE THE, THE MAGIC WE APPLIED AND WE RECEIVED THE GRANT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE ALL ALL APPLIED AT ONE, ONE BUDGET YEAR.

WE COULD SPREAD THAT OUT OVER TIME, AND WE ARE DEVELOPING A FULL WORK PLAN, WHICH IS BASICALLY KIND OF THE SCHEDULE OF EVENTS OF WHEN DIFFERENT MILESTONES OF THESE PROJECTS WOULD BE COMPLETED AND WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS.

WE ARE, WE'LL BE BASICALLY SHOVEL READY FOR THE DUFFY FIELD STORM WATER ENHANCEMENT PROJECT.

WE'RE WORKING ON SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL ADELINE AND ENGINEERING PHASES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE FUNDS WE RECEIVED TODAY.

THAT'LL ALLOW US TO GET BASICALLY TO THE POINT IF AWARDED, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE READY TO FINALIZE THOSE, UM, CONSTRUCTION BIDS AND, AND ADVERTISE THAT PRETTY SOON AFTER AWARD, UM, AND THE ELECTRIC PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OF THAT PRELIMINARY WORK THAT IS ALREADY OCCURRING NOW.

WELL, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE CITY IS IN DIRE NEED OF ALL THREE OF THESE PROJECTS.

SO IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANY MORE DISCUSSIONS WE NEED ON THIS? YES, NOT GOOD TO GET OUT OF HERE.

WE DO THEM ALL AS ONE.

PROGRAM FOR THE DUFFIELD COMMUNITY, STRONG WATER AND HAVE ENHANCEMENT MITIGATION PROJECT.

WELL, THERE'S NO MORE OTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF THE GRANT APPLICATIONS TO THE BILL AND RESILIENCE, INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMMUNITIES PROGRAM FOR THE DUFFIELD.

THE NOW RESTORATION PROJECT CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE BUILDING RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMMUNITY PROGRAM FOR THE RESILIENT UTILITIES.

INFRASTRUCTION IS THE ELECTRIC SUBSTATION AND CONSIDER ADOPTING A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED IN THE, OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE BUILDING RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMMUNITIES

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MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SAYING ON SEVERAL CALLS STARTING WITH ALL OF THEM ALDERMAN ITEM? YES.

[15. Consider Adopting a Resolution to Approve Amendment No. 4 to the Owner-Engineer Agreement with Rivers and Associates, Inc. for the Township No. 7 Sewer Improvements Phase III Project.]

NUMBER 15.

NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR TO THE OWNER ENGINEER AGREEMENT WITH RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED FOR THE TOWNSHIP SEVEN SEWER IMPROVEMENTS, PHASE THREE, PROJECT TOWNSHIP SEVEN SEWER IMPROVEMENTS.

PHASE THREE PROJECT WILL MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITY SEWER SYSTEM.

SOUTH OF THE TRENT RIVER.

THE PROJECT WILL ALSO RELOCATE A SEWER PUMP STATION THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE BANK OF LAWSON CREEK.

THE ENGINEERING DESIGN HAS BEEN COMPLETED, AND THE PLANNING PHASE IS CONCLUDING.

PROJECT IS SCHEDULED TO BE BID BY THE END OF THE YEAR WITH CONSTRUCTION BEGINNING EARLY 2022, AS THE PROJECT MOVES INTO THE BIDDING AND CONSTRUCTION PHASES, ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WILL BE REQUIRED FOR ISSUANCE OF BIDDING AGENDA, CONSTRUCTION, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, COORDINATOR, PERMITTING AGENCIES, AND PREPARATION OF FINAL DRAWINGS FOR THE PROJECT.

RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES HAS ESTIMATED THE PRICE OF $123,000 FOR COMPLETION OF THE WORK THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL PROJECTS CODE TO HAVE THE ENGINEERING SUPPORT NECESSARY FOR THE NEXT PHASES OF THE PROJECT.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PROVEN ENGINEERING AMENDMENT, NUMBER FOUR, WITH RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES FOR THESE ADDITIONAL COSTS AND SERVICES.

UM, MR. USE, COULD YOU JUST COME UP AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS, I'VE READ THROUGH IT.

IT'S QUITE A BIT OF MONEY AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THE CHANGES ARE, WHAT THIS INCLUDES, IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING.

AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU HAVE ONE ENGINEER ALREADY INVOLVED IN SOMETHING IT'S KIND OF HARD TO STOP AND HIRE ANOTHER ONE TO DO SOMETHING.

SO YOU PRETTY MUCH STUCK WITH THE ORIGINAL ENGINEER FOR A SECOND.

COULD YOU KIND OF JUST WALK THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT? SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

AND THE, THE BIGGER PIPE SIZE GIVES US THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT INCREASED DEMAND.

MAYOR, WE INITIATED THE CONTRACT WITH, UH, THE CURRENT CONSULTANT ENGINEER SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT THE IDEA WAS TO GET THE PROJECT SHOVEL READY FOR DESIGN.

WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DELAYS IN DEALING WITH DOD, TRY TO COORDINATE THE CONSTRUCTION, THE PROJECT WITH THE HIGHWAY 70 WORK IN JAMES CITY, ALSO SOME ISSUES AND EVEN ACQUISITION WORKING WITH THE STATE AND THE RELOCATION, THE PUMP STATION, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY END UP ON A VERY SMALL PIECE OF THE TRIBE HOUSE PROPERTY OF ALL THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT IS PUSHED THE PROJECT QUITE A BIT.

WE'D HOPE TO HAVE THIS THING DESIGNED, READY TO GO.

A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO THE INITIAL, THE INITIAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT WAS ESSENTIALLY FOR THE INITIAL SURVEY.

IT IS YOUR DESIGN TO HAVE THE THING HAD THE PROJECT SHOVEL READY.

WE WERE READY TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE OF THOSE DELAYS WHERE YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY READY TO ENFORCE.

NOW, AS WE'RE ROLLING OUT AT THE END OF THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING PHASE BECAUSE OF THE DMT PROJECT, IS THIS, THIS NEW LANE REIMBURSABLE OR, UM, SO, SO THIS IS MONEY.

NO, THAT THIS ONE IS ESSENTIALLY FOR OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

AS WE GET THROUGH THE BIDDING PHASE, AS WE GET THROUGH THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION, DEALING WITH THE ITEMS THAT COME UP, QUESTIONS THAT COME UP THERE AND, UH, THE BIDDING PHASE, THIS IS QUITE A COMPLEX, UH, ENGINEERING PROJECT.

AND THE PLAN SAID WEIGHS ABOUT 20 POUNDS AND YOU PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND TRY TO TURN IT AROUND.

SO WE EXPECT A LOT OF ASSISTANCE NEEDED IN GETTING THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS FROM CONTRACTORS AS WE GET THIS THING THROUGH THE BIDDING PHASE.

IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, YOU GET READY TO MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION.

UH, WE DO HAVE SOME SUPPORT FROM NCD OT WITH A PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT WILL RUN ALONG THE, THE ALIGNMENT OF HIGHWAY 70 TO THE JAMES CITY AREA.

UM, WITH THAT, WE, WE DO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF A TWENTY FIVE SEVENTY FIVE CALL SHARE WITH DOD FOR THAT WORK.

SO FOR THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON ALONG THE JAMES CITY CORRIDOR, WE ARE ABLE TO UPSIZE THE PIPE, UH, THAT WAS GETTING RELOCATED AS PART OF THE HIGHWAY 70 WORK.

AND WITH THAT, WE WILL ONLY PAY 25% OF THE CALLS.

THE PEOPLE PICK UP THE OTHER 75%.

WHAT ABOUT THE EFFECT AND WHAT TYPE OF EFFECT WOULD THAT HAVE, UH, FAR AS A SYSTEM PERFORMANCE AUTO MCKINSEY, THAT THAT WILL DO A GREAT DEAL FOR MEETING OUR SEWER CAPACITY NEEDS AND EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THE TURN RIVER.

IT WOULDN'T BE A DROP IN PRESSURE OR ANYTHING.

SO IT'D BE AN INCREASE.

UH, WELL, AS FAR AS SEWER SYSTEM GOES AND INCREASES, OUR CAPACITY ALLOWS US TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE AREA.

THAT'S ALREADY BEEN KIND OF ALLOCATED IN THE NEWBURN PROPER AREA SOUTH OF JAMES CITY.

UH, IT WILL ALLOW THOSE AREAS TO FULLY DEVELOP WITHOUT ANY CONCERNS FOR SORT OF CAPACITY.

SO WE GO IN AND ADD ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT, HAD THE ABILITY TO, YES, SIR, INCREASE NOT DECREASE.

IT INCREASE THE LOAD ON THE SYSTEM AND THERE,

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OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, THE TRUMP PALACE SITE, HAVE YOU WORKED AT ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS BEEN A REAL ISSUE.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE IT BACK TO THAT CORNER AND GET THAT SUCH AS I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT THIS INCLUDED WE ARE CONCLUDING WITH OUR STANDARD PERMITTING, WHICH INVOLVES EVERYTHING OTHER THAN EASEMENT ACQUISITION, UH, THAT, THAT EASEMENT IN PARTICULAR WE HAVE FOUND OUT IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS WILL ACTUALLY REQUIRE GENERAL ASSEMBLY APPROVAL TO GET THAT, UH, TO GET THAT SITE READY FOR US TO OCCUPY.

UM, AND, AND AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WILL NOT MEET AGAIN UNTIL 2022.

SO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO AS PART OF THIS PROCESS TO SPEED THINGS ALONG AND NOT LET THAT BE A HURDLE FOR US ANYMORE, WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF SPLIT THE PROJECT IN A TWO CONTRACTS, A LINE OF WORK CONTRACT, ANY PUMP STATION CONTRACT, AND THE WAY WE HAVE THE PROJECT DESIGN, WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT, THAT THE LINE WORK CAN BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE PUMP STATION.

THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE DONE CONCURRENTLY.

UM, NOW ALLOW US TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD.

AT LEAST ONE PORTION, THE BIGGER PORTION OF THE PROJECT AND NOT LET THE SMALL PORTION HOLD US UP.

UH, AT THIS POINT, WE DO UNDERSTAND TALKING WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVE IN RALEIGH, UH, WITH, UH, THE STATE PROPERTY OFFICE THAT EVERYTHING IS, IS, IS READY TO GO.

IT'S PENDING APPROVAL.

IT SHOULD BE KIND OF A RUBBER STAMP PROCESS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT FOR THOSE, THE GENERAL SIMPLY SESSIONS TO GET BACK BACK OPEN BEFORE WE CAN GET MOVED FORWARD.

SO AGAIN, UH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE EXACT DETAILS OF ALL OF THIS.

I KNOW, YEARS AGO, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A TANDEM LINE AND YOU DID YOUR SEPARATION SEPARATION AND YOUR RESERVOIR EQUALIZATIONS AND ALL THAT.

SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE TRANSMISSION WE HAVE WITH THE BRIDGE RIGHT NOW? IT WAS, IS THIS IS SOME MORE, MORE, I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE SCOPE OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.

ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? IS, IS THE AMOUNT OF TRANSMISSION GOING TO STAY THE SAME? ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE ROAD FOR ANY FUTURE INCREASES, A TANDEM LINE COMING TO DIVERT? SO TH THE EIGHT INCH PIPE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE CROSS AS THE TRENT RIVER MEETS OUR NEED TODAY, IT WILL MEET OUR NEEDS FOR THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AT THE RATE WE'RE GROWING.

AS WE LOOK BEYOND THAT AND TO FILL IT OUT, THE AREAS THAT WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED, THE BLUE ARISE AREA, THE CAROLINA COLORS DEVELOPMENT, AND SOME OTHER UNDEVELOPED AREAS ALONG COUNTY LINE ROAD.

THAT'S WHEN WE WILL ULTIMATELY NEED THE, THE, THE BIGGER PIPE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AREAS CAN CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT AND FULLY, FULLY GROW TO THE LIMITS OF THE ESTABLISHED NEWBURN BOUNDARY LINE.

AND IN, WELL, I KNOW WE COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A SECOND SEWER PLANT SOMEWHERE ON THAT SIDE OF THE RIVER AT ONE TIME.

AND I THINK WE'VE ALL DECIDED THAT CONVENTIONAL PLANT IS WHERE YOU'D WANT TO INVEST.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSMISSION.

EXCELLENT QUESTION.

AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLANNING AND ENGINEERING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES FOR HOW TO GET THIS ADDITIONAL, HOW TO DO WITH THE ADDITIONAL LEARNING SOUTH OF THE TRIM RIVER.

ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES WAS THE CREATION OF A NEW SEWER TREATMENT PLANT.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRINET RIVER, THROUGH OUR ENGINEERING ANALYSIS, WE DETERMINED THAT WAS PROBABLY THE LEAST COST EFFECTIVE ALTERNATIVE OF THE THREE OR FOUR WE LOOKED AT AND ACTUALLY RUNNING EVERYTHING THROUGH OUR MAIN PLANT WAS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE MOVED FORWARD WITH.

I THINK BACK THEN, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT OTHER EIGHT INCH, IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE 11, $12 MILLION TO PUT IN.

DO YOU REMEMBER, WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.

UH, I THINK WE EVACUATED FOUR AT THE TIME.

ONE OF THOSE YOU'RE CORRECT WAS A VERY LENGTHY, UH, FORCED MAIN RUN THAT ACTUALLY CROSSED THE NEUSE RIVER, UH, RAN AROUND BRIDGED AND CAME BACK UNDER THE NEUSE RIVER AGAIN, INTO THE SEWER PLANT.

SO THEY TOOK A PRETTY GOOD LOOK AT EVERY PATH THEY COULD TAKE, TRY TO GET THAT SEWER DEMAND BACK TO OUR MAIN TREATMENT PLANT.

AND ULTIMATELY THE PATH THAT CAME UP WITH WAS THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE.

SECOND NATURE DISCUSSION.

WELL, I'M JUST ASKING THESE QUESTIONS CAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS ENGINEERING, WE DON'T WANT TO COME BACK 10 YEARS LATER AND TOTALLY PUT YOUR BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER AND ALL THAT.

UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFORMATION, MARILYN, AND MAKE A MOTION.

WE ADOPT RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR TO THE OWNER ENGINEERED AGREEMENT WITH RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES WITH TOWNSHIP NUMBER SEVEN IMPROVEMENTS, PHASE THREE PLANS.

SECOND MOTION.

SAME ON SEVERAL COUGH STARTED DEVELOPMENT.

BINGO.

ALDERMAN BINGO.

ALDERMAN ASKED HER MAY YOUR OUT LONG ALDERMAN, THE KINSEY OUTER IN BEST ALDERMAN.

STEVE TYSON AT THE TIME, AND WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME IMPROVEMENTS WHERE WE CAN PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY AND MOVE THE SEWER CONVENTIONAL.

UM, MR. HUGHES, WALMART, ONE MORE THING FOR A WEEK.

GO TO THIS NEXT ITEM.

I WANT YOU TO KIND OF REFRESH AND TELL ME WHERE THE STAMP IS ON THIS.

I KNOW THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THEM.

I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS YOU.

I REMEMBER WE MET WITH COMMISSIONER

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SO WE'RE OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF HIGHWAY 70 AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SEVERAL, UM, COMMERCIAL IMPROVEMENTS GOING IN OVER THERE.

UM, SO KIND OF JUST BRIEFLY TELL US WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC AND THE MORE VOLUME AND OWN WHAT WE'RE DOING OVER THERE WITH, WITH GRAVITY FEE AND NOT NECESSARILY THE STEP SYSTEM, BUT WE DID RUN A LOT OF THEIR BEST, OUR COLOR, BUT I DON'T HAVE AS-BUILT.

SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

SO YOU CAN GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT.

WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU THE VERY BRIEF HISTORY.

BACK IN THE LATE NINETIES, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH DID EXTEND A CONVENTIONAL SEWER SYSTEM LINE ACROSS THE TRENT RIVER TO SERVE THE AREAS SOUTH OF THE TRENT RIVER, THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY COME PART OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

THESE ARE YOUR BIGGER COMMUNITY, BIGGER NEIGHBORHOODS OVER THERE TO BURN OUT CAROLINA COLOR LONG AS ONLY PINES BRYCE'S CROSSING BLUE WOULD ARISE.

SELBORNE HEIGHTS.

I'M SURE I'M MISSING A COUPLE OF THERE.

UM, BUT GENERALLY IF YOU'RE IN TOWNSHIP SEVEN IN YOUR, WITHIN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES, YOU WERE CONNECTED TO WHAT WE CALL OUR CONVENTIONAL GRABBING PORCH MAIN SYSTEM.

UH, WE'VE CONTINUED TO DEVELOP AND EXPAND THAT SYSTEM TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE TO THOSE AREAS.

UM, THE PROJECT WHERE WE WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE PHASE THREE PROJECT, ULTIMATELY GIVES US MORE TRANSMISSION CAPACITY ACROSS THE TRENT RIVER AND ALLOWS US TO HAVE ALL THE TIGHT CAPACITY.

WE NEED TO MOVE THE SEWER FROM THOSE, THOSE SAME AREAS AS THEY CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT AND GROW OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 TO 15 YEARS.

UM, THE OTHER SYSTEM, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED WAS OUR STEP SYSTEM.

IT'S A SEPTIC TANK EFFLUENT PUMP SYSTEM, UM, THAT WAS PUT IN BY THE COUNTY IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, REQUIRED THAT SYSTEM IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.

IT MAINTAINED IT AND OPERATED TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY EVER SINCE THEN THAT SYSTEM IS WE'VE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT SYSTEM.

AND OVER THE LAST 15 OR 20 YEARS AT THIS POINT, WE DO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO ALLOW SOME LIMITED DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT SYSTEM WHERE WE DIDN'T 10 YEARS AGO.

SO THAT HAS BEEN A BIG STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND TRYING TO IMPROVE GRIP AND DEVELOPMENT THE WHOLE AREA.

SO WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, I THOUGHT WE ENTERED INTO THIS PARTNERSHIP AND THE COUNTY PUT UP SOME MONEY AND WE WERE HOPING TO GET AN ENCROACHMENT AND GO ACROSS TO THE WESTBOUND AND SIGN UP 70 WITH SOME, WITH SOME GRAVITY.

WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

WE ONLY HAVE ONE GRAVITY LINE THAT CROSSES HIGHWAY 72, THE RIVERSIDE OF HOW WE SET THE NET CURRENTLY PICKS UP, UM, A SMALL SERVICE AREA ALONG THE CORNER.

IT'S RIGHT THERE.

BRICE'S CREEK BIBLE CHURCH.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT.

THAT'S ALL WE GOT RIGHT NOW.

SEE, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE'D EXPANDED THAT ANY OR NOT.

IF, IF THERE WERE ANY LATERALS, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DEVELOP, COULD YOU DO SOME LATERAL ITSELF OF THAT? SURE.

MOST NOTABLY IN RECENTLY THE, UH, WE CALL IT THE CAROLINA CLUB PIECE.

I THINK IT'S WHAT THEY'RE CALLING.

IT IS SAY, UM, 50 ACRE ISH DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'RE THE SAME AREA THAT, THAT WILL TIE INTO THAT GRAVITY.

WHAT, I JUST WANTED TO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT, CAUSE I WASN'T QUITE SURE WHAT, WHERE WE'D GONE WITH THAT.

NEXT TIME HAS TO CONSIDER A BUDGET ORDINANCE.

THANK YOU FOR YOU THOUGH.

WE DO HAVE SOME AS-BUILTS ON THAT THERE, RIGHT? THANKS, SIR.

UM, OKAY.

[16. Consider Adopting an Ordinance Amending the Township 7 Sewer Improvements Project Fund.]

NEXT TIME.

THANKS TIME.

IT'S CONSIDERED AN ORDINANCE MEN IN THE TOWNSHIP SEVEN SEWER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FUND.

THE BUDGET ORDINANCE, A MINIMUM WOULD INCREASE THE TOWNSHIP 70 FUND TO A $172,223.

UH, THAT'S 123,000 FOR THE ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING FEES, $14,223 FOR CURRENT OBLIGATIONS THAT EXCEED THE ORIGINAL BUDGETED AMOUNT AND 35,000 TO COVER EASEMENT ACQUISITIONS.

UM, AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THIS COMES OUT OF, UM, THE SEWER ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT'S CORRECT.

MAY I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TOWNSHIP SEVEN SEWER IMPROVEMENTS, PROJECT FUNDS.

EXACTLY.

MOST INSANE.

WAS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE THE CYBER ROM-COM STARTING WITH TOLERANT ITEM? YES, YES, YES, YES.

MOTION CARRIES.

NEXT ITEM.

[17. Consider Adopting a Budget Ordinance Amendment for FY2021-2022.]

AMENDMENTS WERE FYI 2122.

MS. OLSTROM WILL MAKE THIS PRESENTATION GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, THIS ORDINANCE WILL AMEND THE FISCAL YEAR 2122 OPERATING BUDGET.

THE WATER FUND IS AMENDED BY 98,000 TO REPLACE AN 18 YEAR OLD DUMP TRUCK

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THAT IS CURRENTLY OUT OF COMMISSION.

THE TRUCK WAS SCHEDULED FOR REPLACEMENT NEXT YEAR AND FUNDS WILL BE APPROPRIATED FROM THE FUND BALANCE.

THE SEWER FUND 12 APPROPRIATE $172,223 FROM THE FUND BALANCE TO THE TOWNSHIP SEVEN SEWER IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT FUND FOR THE ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING AND EASEMENT ACQUISITION COSTS OUTLINED IN THE CAPITAL PROJECT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT PRESENTED TO YOU PREVIOUSLY.

UM, THE GRANTS FUND IS AMENDED TO RECOGNIZE $12,504 AND 99 CENTS.

UM, WITH THE PATRICK LEE BULLETPROOF BEST PARTNERSHIP GRANT FROM THE BUREAU OF JUSTICE ASSISTANCE, THE GRANT REQUIRES A MATCH OF $12,504 AND 88 CENTS, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL FUND IN 2020 1 22 OPERATING BUDGET.

THE GRADES FUND IS ALSO AMENDED TO RECOGNIZE THE $65,000 GRANT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, FROM THE HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT PROGRAM THROUGH NORTH CAROLINA, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OR A PRIME MOVER, UM, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND THERE WAS NO METRIC FIRE FOR THIS BRAND.

UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, UH, MS. , I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ON THE, UH, THE DUMP TRUCK.

IF WE DECIDE TO DO A FINANCING PACKAGE NEXT BUDGET YEAR, CAN WE THEN INCLUDE THAT WITH THAT OR WE TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT WITH CASH UP FRONT? UM, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO DO A RESOLUTION IN ORDER TO REIMBURSE.

I THINK IN THE PAST WE WOULD APPROVE DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT AND THEN THE STAFF WOULD ACQUIRE IT.

AND THEN THERE WOULD BE LIKE ONE BULK FINANCING PACKAGE THAT WE CAN DO.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT OURSELVES IN CASE WE WANT TO DO THAT HERE.

UM, WHEN WE DO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE AND WE HAD DONE THAT LAST YEAR AS WELL, WE HAVE ENOUGH FUND BALANCE TO PAY FOR THIS.

SO I WOULDN'T ROCK.

I PERSONALLY WENT BACK FROM IN THAT.

NO, I'M JUST AGREEING WITH ALL OF THEM.

I WOULD PACKAGE ALL THAT.

THE ONLY REASON I SAY INTEREST RATES WITH THEIR BEING WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, AND THEN THIS TRUCK LASTED 18 YEARS.

SO I'M GOING TO KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND IS THAT RIGHT? I'VE SEEN, I THINK MAYBE OUR LAST TWO OR THREE AGENDAS WE'RE PAYING FOR THESE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS KEEP COMING UP AND WE'RE PURCHASING NEW TRUCKS EITHER BECAUSE THEY'RE BREAKING DOWN OR IT JUST SEEMS EVERY YOU SEE WITH THIS TRUCK, IT WAS GOING TO END UP COSTS, I BELIEVE $25,000.

AND SO THEY HAVE A HUGE NEED FOR THIS TRUCK TO CONTINUE THEIR OPERATIONS.

AND THERE ACTUALLY ARE SOME AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME, SO THEY NEEDED TO CONTINUE AT WORK.

SO, UM, IS THE, IS THE TRUCK GOING TO BE USED BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT, SEWER DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT? WHAT ALL, WHAT ALL DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING TO USE IN DUMP TRUCK? IT WILL BE THE WATER RESOURCES THAT THAT WILL BE IN THIS TRAILER.

I HAVE TO ADMIT, I HAD TO CALL FOSTER DAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I PRIME MOVER WAS.

WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THE PRIME THAT WE'RE GOING IN IS BASICALLY A TRUCK.

UM, SO COLLEEN WILL SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

IS THIS ONE.

UH, NEXT TIME IT TO CONSIDER IT AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TWO CHAPTER 74, YOU KILL IT.

AND THIS, THIS WAS FOR THE GRANT THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I JUST RECEIVED THIS, THE NORTH CAROLINA TASK FORCE.

UM, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR 20 21 22 SECOND MOTION.

SECOND.

IS THERE DISCUSSION STARTED WITH ALDERMAN BINGO.

ALDERMAN ASKED HER YES, YES, YES, YES.

LICENSED CARRIES NEXT ITEM.

[18. Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Amend Chapter 74 "Utilities" to Establish Article VI - Cross-Connection Control.]

THESE TO ESTABLISH ARTICLE SIX, CROSS CONNECTION CONTROL, POST JOHN DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY UPDATED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CROSS CONNECTION CONTROL PROGRAMS FOR NORTH CAROLINA, PUBLIC WATER SYSTEMS AND CITIES ARE REQUIRED TO ADOPT A MORE FORMAL PROGRAM THIS YEAR, THE BUDGET RECLASSIFIED AN EXISTING POSITION TO THAT OF A CROSS CONNECTION COORDINATOR WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR INITIATING THE PROGRAM AND ENSURING THE CITY IS OPERATING IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE STATUTES OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, THE CROSS CONNECTION CONTROL COORDINATOR, CITY ENGINEER AND CITY ATTORNEY HAVE WORKED TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL CONFORM WITH THE STATE'S NEW REQUIREMENTS AND WHICH WILL ESTABLISH.

AND WE'LL BE FOUNDATION OF THE CITY'S CROSS CONNECTION CONTROL PROGRAM.

MOVING FORWARD, MR. HUGHES IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THIS.

YES SHE IS.

WOULD YOU JUST KINDA GIVE US A ONCE-OVER

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ON THIS? YES, SIR.

MAYOR.

UH, SO OUR, OUR NEW CROSS CONNECTION BACKFLOW PREVENTION ORDINANCE, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THIS IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO A SMALL PORTION OF OUR 19,000 WATER CUSTOMERS.

UM, LATELY LOOKING AT OUR LARGER COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS.

THIS ISN'T ANYTHING REALLY NEW.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

UH, ANYTIME A NEW BUSINESS COMES INTO TOWN AND AN INDUSTRY COMES IN TOWN THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF BACK-LIT PREVENTION OR CROSS CONNECTION CONTROL.

WE REQUIRE THAT AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT REVIEW PROCESS, AND THOSE THINGS ARE BEING INSTALLED.

MOST OF THOSE FACILITIES ARE GETTING THOSE THINGS TESTED ANNUALLY.

THEY'RE SENDING THE REPORTS TO US.

WE SIT AND WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A FULL PROGRAM THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRED ALL OF THAT.

UH, AND UNTIL 2020, THE STATE DIDN'T REALLY REQUIRE US TO HAVE A FULL PROGRAM FOR TRACKING AND MONITOR ALL THIS.

WE KINDA, IT WAS VERY LOOSELY DEFINED ON WHAT A BACK FOOT AND CROSS CONNECTION PROGRAM COULD BE.

UM, THAT WAS BETTER DEFINED AND SOME BRIDGE REVISIONS THEY MADE IN 2020.

SO THE ROAD IN THE 2021, WE HAD A, WE TOOK AN EXISTING POSITION AS, UH, THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED AND CREATED A CROSS CONNECTION CONTROL COORDINATOR WHO HAS BEEN GOING AROUND FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, DOING SOME, UH, KIND OF INVENTORY WORKFORCE, AS WELL AS WORKING ON DRAFTING THE, THE CROSS CONNECTION CONTROL ORDINANCE.

THIS ORDINANCE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY NEW IN THE STATE.

THIS IS VERY STOCK LANGUAGE THAT IS USED BY THE CITY OF RALEIGH GREENVILLE, FAYETTEVILLE, WILSON, UH, GOLDSBORO , ET CETERA.

PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IN THE STATE AT THIS POINT IS DOING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR WITH THE BACKBONE, CROSS PRODUCTION PREVENTION.

UM, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE MUCH OF AN IMPACT FOR ANYBODY MOVING FORWARD.

SO IS THIS MORE TO DO WITH CONTAMINATION? YES, SIR.

WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT THE CONTAMINATION AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE DEVICE IN PLACE, WHETHER IT BE LOW HEALTH HAZARD, HIGH HEALTH HAZARD CONCERN, OR THERE'S DIFFERENT DEGREES OF POTENTIAL HAZARD.

AND WITH THAT DIFFERENT DEGREES OF PROTECTION THAT WE CAN THROW IN THE, WELL, ONLY IN REASONABLE MAY I ASK HIM, UM, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS IN CITY RALEIGH, THEY HAD A CONTAMINATION ISSUE.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL OF THE OUTDOOR WORE FONTS OF SAND TO HAVE A CONTROL MECHANISM FOR THEM.

AND, UM, THAT WAS NO HARDSHIP, BUT, UH, I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DYNAMICS OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE BUILDING INDUSTRIES WHILE I WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS THIS PRIMARILY AND COMMERCIAL.

GREAT QUESTION.

AND BASICALLY FOR THE LAST DECADE OR SO, MOST OF YOUR NEW ANYTHING HAS BEEN BUILT NEW IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH HAS BEEN REQUIRED TO INSTALL THE APPROPRIATE DEVICE BASED ON THE HAZARD REQUIRED THOSE PART, RIGHT.

DEPARTMENT YOU PROCESS.

UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BUILDING INDUSTRY, THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL INJURY IS VERY ACCUSTOMED TO, VERY USED TO.

UM, THEY WILL ANNUALLY GET THOSE THINGS TESTED.

THEY JUST FAX US THE REPORTS OR, OR MELISSE THE REPORTS.

UM, WE PUT THOSE THINGS IN A FILE AND FAR AS THE STATE PROGRAM IS CONCERNED, WE ARE TRACKING, WE WERE KEEPING THOSE THINGS WERE FINE.

UM, WE JUST HAD NO REAL FORMAL ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRED US TO DO THAT OR TO REQUIRE, REQUIRES TO TRACK THEM OR REQUIRED US TO DOCUMENT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU TELL THE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT CASE, WHERE THERE WAS ACTUAL A VACUUM OF SORTS THAT, OF SOR SOME CONTAMINANT AND IT CONTAMINATED THE PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM? IS THAT YOU SURE ANY WATER SYSTEM THERE'S ALWAYS A SMALL LIKELIHOOD OF CROSS CONNECTION OR CONTAMINATION AND, AND GIVE YOU THE BEST EXAMPLE I CAN THINK OF THAT EVERYBODY CAN RELATE TO.

LET'S SAY YOU GOT YOUR DOG OUT IN THE YARD AND THE KIDDIE POOL, AND EVERYBODY'S HAVING A GOOD TIME.

AND YOU'VE GOT THE WHO'S IN THE KIDDIE POOL WITH THE DOG AND A WATER MAIN BREAKS IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE.

WHEN THE WATER BREAKS ALL THE PRESSURE OF RUSHES BACK TO THE WATER MAIN AND WITHOUT THE PROPER BACKFLIP PERMISSION IN PLACE, WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS IT COULD SUCK THE WATER OUT OF YOUR KIDNEY POOL, THAT YOUR DOG SITTING INTO, BACK INTO A PORTION OF THE WATER MAIN.

AND THEN AS WE PUT EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER, THERE IS A VERY SMALL LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE COULD BE CONTAMINATION IN THE WATER MAIN THAT IT MAKES OTHER CUSTOMERS.

THAT'S THE TYPE OF SITUATION YOU'RE TRYING TO PREVENT WITH THE BACKLASH AND CROSS CONNECTION PREVENTION.

UH, IT GETS A LITTLE MORE EXTREME WHEN YOU DEAL WITH BIGGER INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS.

YOU MAY HAVE THINGS A LITTLE MORE DANGEROUS THAN DIRTY DOG WATER IN THE FACILITY THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH.

SO THOSE ARE THE CUSTOMERS YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT PUTTING A HIGHER LEVEL OF DEGREE WITH PROTECTION ON THE WATER SERVICE.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION OR HAVE QUESTIONS TO MAKE A MOTION, TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 74 UTILITIES TO ESTABLISH ARTICLE SIX, CROSS CONNECTION CONTROL, SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING THEM AS HAVE A ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ONLY WINDOW, UM, ALDERMAN AND ITEM? YES.

MAYOR ALDERMAN ASKED HER BIG GOAL

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NUMBER NINE

[19. Consider Adopting an Ordinance to Amend Chapter 70 "Traffic and Vehicles" of the Code of Ordinances.]

MAYER.

THE NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERED AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 70 TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES OF A CODE OF ORDINANCES CITY RECENTLY ACCEPTED OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF DOWNEY DRIVE AND WATERCRESS LOOP.

AND IT'S NECESSARY TO AMEND CHAPTER 70 TO ESTABLISH THE PATIENT, HAVE STOP SIGNS ON THESE STREETS.

NOW I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 70 TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES OF THE CODE OF OREGON.

AND IT'S A SECOND MOTION.

SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION NONE.

LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL WITH ALVIN BINGO.

ALDERMAN MINGLE.

A SKETCH OF APPOINTMENTS.

ALDERMAN ASKED HER MAY OUR OUTLAWS ALL-TERRAIN KINSEY.

[20. Appointment(s).]

ALL OF THEM BEING NONE TONIGHT.

I'LL RUN.

ASK NONE TONIGHT, SIR.

NO, SIR.

MAYOR I HAVE AN OPENING.

I'VE TRIED A COUPLE OF FOLKS THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE INTERESTED, BUT NO ONE IS SO FAR.

SO IF ANYONE THAT LIVES IN WARD SIX IS INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

UM, PLEASE.

ATTORNEY'S REPORT NIGHTMARE.

CITY MANAGERS REPORT

[22. City Manager's Report.]

TWO THINGS, MAYOR, UM, WANTING TO THINK THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 5 39 DAY.

AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING ON THE PROJECT AT GREENWOOD CEMETERY OF A LOCATING AND CLEANING OF APPROXIMATELY 60 VETERANS HEADSTONES.

SO THEY HAVE CEREMONY TODAY FOR THAT, AND ALSO WANT TO THANK THE VFW POST 25 14 THEY'VE DONATED FLAGS AND THOSE WERE PLACED IN THE CEMETERY TODAY.

SO THAT WAS A GREAT PROJECT.

WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP THEY DID WITH THAT.

NEXT THING IS I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, MORTON WILLIAMS. HE STARTED YESTERDAY AND HE HIT THE GROUND RUNNING.

MARVIN WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TOO FOR WORKING WITH POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE IN IT.

AND WE'VE ALSO GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT MARVIN IS GOING TO BE SPEARHEADING AS WELL.

SO HAPPY TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD WAS HE CAME BACK TO WORK TODAY.

SO THAT WAS GOOD.

AGAIN, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK, UH, BOSTON FOR HAVING THE CONFIDENCE AND APPOINTING ME TO THIS POSITION.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORK WITH EVERYONE.

GREAT.

SO WE'D LIKE TO START NEW BUSINESS OUT.

UH, LUPUS.

[23. New Business.]

UM, UH, I PARTICIPATED, UH, I WASN'T SHORT WITH CRYING, BUT I, I PROBABLY MOTORCYCLE SATURDAY AND RONALD IS THIS RIDE, UM, FOR OFFICER BILLY AND I WANT TO READ THIS, UH, IT WAS A REALLY GOOD TURNOUT.

UM, QUITE A FEW FAMILIES HERE IN NEWBURN, REALLY WORKED HARD TO MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN.

AND, UH, IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.

UM, GREG RIDE, UH, WHEN OUT CODE CITY BACK DOWN, UM, JONES COUNTY ALLEN CREEK ROAD AND STOPPED DOWNTOWN.

SO, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD A RIDER FROM GEORGIA THAT WE HAD A COUPLE AND THEY, THEY CAME ALL THE WAY UP HERE FROM GEORGIA ON TWO MOTORCYCLES AND APART BESIDE THEM.

AND, AND, UH, IT SAYS ARRIVED WAS OVER.

THEY CAME DOWNTOWN, THEY STAYED ABOUT A HALF HOUR AND THEY CRANK THE BIKES UP, WENT BACK TO GEORGIA.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY.

IT JUST THE SUPPORT, UH, MAYOR OUTLAW, PLEASE EXTEND OUR GRACE GRATEFULNESS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR ALL OF THE LOVE AND SUPPORT THEY HAVE GIVEN FOR OUR SON WORDS TRULY CANNOT EXPRESS HOW WE FEEL, KNOWING HOW THE COMMUNITY HAS COME TOGETHER AND GIVEN SO MANY PRAYERS, THOUGHTS, FUNDRAISERS, DONATIONS, AND SUPPORT THE BLUE LIGHTS AISLE OVER NEWBURN MADE HIS DAD.

AND I, UH, CRIED SEEING THEM, UH, THEIR OUTPOUR OF KINDNESS HAS TRULY BEEN OVERWHELMING.

AND ZACH HAS BEEN IN THE NEWBURGH COMMUNITY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND TRULY LOVES, LOVES BEING HERE.

UM, NOW WE KNOW WHY, AND THAT WAS MARK AND TONYA BILLING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU, UM, HAVE ODOM, UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I'LL JUST SORT OF RUN WITH WHAT YOU HAD STARTED.

I WANT TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY AWARE THAT ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER THE 11TH AT THE CRAVEN COUNTY FAIRGROUNDS, THERE WILL BE A BENEFIT CONCERT FOR DEPUTY BILLINGHAM.

UH, THE PROCEEDS FROM THAT WILL BE GOING TO HIS TO HELP WITH HIS MEDICAL EXPENSES.

UM, I'M A PROUD SPONSOR OF THAT EVENT AND I WILL ENCOURAGE MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS TO JOIN IN AS WELL.

UM, MY NEXT QUESTION, UH, FOR MR. HUGHES IS WHERE ARE WE WITH FEMA AND THE RESTROOMS AND BASKETBALL OUTDOOR FACILITY AT STANLEY MIGHT RECREATION CENTER.

WE WERE ABOUT TO BE FINISHED WITH THE SCOPE OF WORK, TO PRESENT THE SAME EPISODE.

WE HAVE TO

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HAVE SOME WORD BACK FROM THEM.

SO DO WE EXPECT SOON TO BE IN THE SEA OF NEWBORNS IDEA OF SUIT OR FEMA'S IDEA OF SAYING, WELL, THAT THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME INFORMATION BACK BY FEBRUARY? I THINK THAT'S A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO, BUT I THINK IT'S TIME.

WE WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT AN OUTDOOR BASKETBALL COURT TO HELP WITH THAT FACILITY EVER SINCE WE KNEW THAT IT WAS LIKELY NOT GOING TO BE MOVED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SPACE.

I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO USE FUNDS, BUT THOSE FUNDS IS OUR SCOPE OF WORK THAT WERE PRESENTED TO FEMA INCLUDE THE BASKETBALL COURT AND IT WILL INCLUDE THE BASKETBALL COURT AND ANOTHER MEN PIECE.

SO IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THEN WE WOULD POTENTIALLY LOSE OUT ON THE FUNDING OF THE BASKETBALL COURT.

IS THAT WHAT THAT'S CORRECT? I'LL TELL YOU IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHEN THEY GOT YOU, THEY GOT YOU.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I'M, IT'S JUST VERY DISAPPOINTING THAT THEY ARE HOLDING ESSENTIALLY OUR CITY HOSTAGE FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME PROGRESS ON THIS, WE, WE COULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE BEEN AHEAD OF THE GAME WITH THIS.

IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO ADVOCATE THAT WE GO OUT THERE AND SPEND A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WHEN IT'S NOT NECESSARY, BUT IT IS VERY DISAPPOINTING THAT WE CAN'T GET SOME MOVEMENT ON THIS QUICKER THAN WHAT WE HAVE.

THE GOOD NEWS IS JEFF, THAT WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE.

I THINK YOU CAN CALL IT GOOD NEWS, BUT WE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THIS, UM, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH IT'S 4 28.

IT SHOULDN'T BE, IT'S A 4 28 GRANT.

IT SHOULD BE A, JUST A STANDARD.

OKAY, LET'S GO WITH IT.

I, UH, I'M LIKE FOSTER, I'M THINKING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS APPROVED BY FEBRUARY.

SO LET ME GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IF WE'RE WAITING TIL FEBRUARY TO GET THE APPROVAL ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL HAVE THE FUNDING, ARE WE READY? SO FEBRUARY 14TH VALENTINE'S DAY FEMA CALLS AND SAYS, YOU'VE GOT THE MONEY.

YOU'VE GOT YOUR BABY.

WHAT ARE WE ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION ON FEBRUARY? WE CAN ROLL.

ABSOLUTELY.

CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT THERE.

LIKE WE HAD WANTED TO BE WITH RECREATION CENTER.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT, BUT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

MAYOR, I'M DONE WITH MY SOAP BOX TONIGHT.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ONE THING.

UM, IT'S PERTAINING TO OUR EMPLOYEES AND, UM, IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR COMING AROUND AND I'M S YOU KNOW, I'M VERY SENTIMENTAL WHEN IT COMES THROUGH OUR EMPLOYEES.

AND THEN JUST WANTED TO ASK HIS BOARD IF WE WOULD GIVE, UH, OUR EMPLOYEES A SMALL GIFTS, UM, A GIFT CARD LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR.

AND, UM, LAST YEAR WE DID, UM, $25.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING THAT HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, DOUBLE THAT IN THIS YEAR.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BOARD FEELS ABOUT IT, UM, WHERE WE HAVE FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY EIGHT, FOUR HUNDRED AND APPROXIMATELY 85 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND 4 85.

SO THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT WHAT $25,000 APPROXIMATELY.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A SMALL PRICE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES FOR, AS I'M CONCERNED, BECAUSE THEY, THEY ARE A BACKBONE.

WE CANNOT DO OUR EMPLOYMENT.

IF WE DON'T HAVE OUR EMPLOYEES HERE TO OPERATE IN BRENDA'S CITY, UH, WE COULDN'T DO IT.

SO I, I, I ASKED THIS BOARD IF YOU SUPPORT THAT, OR IF YOU WANT TO EVEN SUPPORT MORE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT, UH, I'M LIKE, OKAY, OKAY.

UM, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T LIKE TO DO A LOT OF NEW BUSINESS MOTIONS AND ALL, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION, MY DIRECTION WOULD BE TO, I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOU TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT OR WHATEVER.

I JUST WANT TO CONSIDER IT.

WE GET BACK WITH THEM.

IS THAT EMOTION, I GUESS, BECAUSE WE HAVE CREATE THE MONEY, BUT I'M SAYING A RESOLUTION, DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON THE, SHOULD IT BE ON THE AGENDA WILL BE THE BEST THING TO DO.

SO OUR NEXT, UH, SPORT WILL TO GIVE DIRECTION AND HAVE THAT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.

I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP.

CAUSE I THINK YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR AND STUFF, SO I AGREE.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO TAKE CARE OF THE EMPLOYEES.

THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF US.

WE'RE HERE TWO DIFFERENT AMOUNTS.

SO WHAT WAS THE BOARD INTERESTED IN 20 25, 25, 25, MAYBE 50 HAVE Y'ALL BEEN TO THE GAS PUMP, LIKE THE PRICE OF FOOD, PAMPERED SONJA, ISN'T THERE A LIMITATION ON WHAT'S TAXABLE GIVE TO AN EMPLOYEE IN

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THE $50.

IT HAS TO BE CLAIMED ON TAX LIMITATION.

SHE'S COMING UP TO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT, UM, THE GIFT CARD WILL BE ADDED TO THEIR W2'S AS INCOME.

SO IF IT'S $25, $50, THEY'LL JUST BE ADDED TO THAT.

WHEN DID THAT CHANGE? IT'S ACTUALLY, IT IS.

YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE EVEN WITH GIFT CARDS.

YEP.

OH, WAIT.

A BIT, WAY BACK MONEY IS OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? SO DID WE AGREE ON THE MALE 25? I WOULD SUPPORT 50 WITH SUPPORT FEE AS WELL.

SO AS FAR AS THE DISCUSSION OF THE MONETARY MAIL, DO WE HIT THAT? AS FAR AS THE RESOLUTION GOES, DO WE CAN, WE CAN PREPARE TWO VERSIONS.

YOU DECIDED YOUR NEXT MEETING.

HEY KENZIE, NOT TONIGHT.

NOT TONIGHT, SIR.

I HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, UH, GEORGE, UM, I NEED FOUR.

I NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE.

UM, TO GO AND LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF BERN AND QUEEN STREET.

UM, I TALKED WITH DARYL TODAY.

THERE'S A LOT OF POTHOLES AND BAD CRACKING THERE, BUT THE INTERSECTION THERE IS REALLY CONFUSING.

I THINK WE NEED ANOTHER STOP SIGN.

I THINK, UM, THERE USED TO BE A TRIANGLE IN THERE, SO THE TRAFFIC COULD COME WHEN IT'S AT THAT CORNER THERE.

SO WHEN YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE THAT TURN IT'S, IT LOOKS REALLY BAD THERE.

AND IT'S CONFUSING.

I WATCHED SOMEBODY, THE STOP SIGN IS RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF BIRD AND NEW, BUT YET THEN THEY MOVED TO TRY TO GO THROUGH THERE'S NO STOP SIGN WHERE YOU COULD SEE TO MAKE A TURN.

AND I'M AFRAID SOMEBODY IS GOING TO REALLY GET HURT WITH BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION TODAY.

SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE, UM, I KNOW DARRELL WAS GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT TRYING TO FILL IN OR ACTUALLY GOT HER.

BUT I REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION AND MAYBE STRIPE IT WITH A LITTLE CROSS WALK OR PUT SOME LINES THERE SO WE CAN DIRECT THE TRAFFIC BETTER.

MY TIMES MAY BE OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT CERTAINLY GET OUT AND SUPPORT THAT THAT'S A WONDERFUL EVENT IN OUR DOWNTOWN FOR OUR CITY, FOR OUR VETERANS.

I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THEN, UM, I DO WANNA, UM, THANK, UH, CHIEF BOYD ON FRIDAY, THEY HAD A STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, MEETING LUNCHEON AND DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

UM, IT WAS SO GOOD THAT WHEN I LEFT THERE, I TOLD FOSTER THAT I THINK THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENTS NEED TO HAVE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS.

SO, UM, I GUESS DEPARTMENT HAS, ARE NOT GONNA LIKE THIS, BUT IT WAS VERY WELL DONE.

I THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AND WORK.

SO EACH DEPARTMENT HAS ITS OWN STRATEGIC PLAN AND GET CITIZEN INPUT AND WHATEVER, AND CHIEF, UM, THE ONLY THING IS WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, SO I WILL GET MY SURFACE.

THEY GET IT BACK TO YOU, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME THAT DAY.

BUT, UM, KUDOS TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF.

YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

IT WAS VERY WELL DONE.

AND UM, THAT'S WHY OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND TO THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE REST OF OUR DEPARTMENTS DO THE SAME.

I KNOW WE'RE DOING IT IN POLICE AND PARKS AND REC, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS DO THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, UM, THAT THURSDAY IS VETERAN'S DAY AND THAT FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

AND THERE ARE MEN AND WOMEN WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY DAY.

THEY'VE DONE IT FOR GENERATIONS AND ALLOWING US TO SIT HERE AT THIS TABLE TO HAVE FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK.

AND, UM, I JUST, OF COURSE IT WAS MY FATHER'S RECENT PASSING.

YOU KNOW, HE DEDICATED HIS LIFE TO SERVING AND WORKING WITH VETERANS.

AND SO I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THURSDAY IS VETERANS DAY.

THERE IS A LUNCH IN, AT TEMPLE FOR VETERANS FROM 11:00 AM TO 1:00 PM.

MANY OF THE AREA RESTAURANTS, UM, RETAILERS HAVE SPECIALS FOR, UH, VETERANS AND SUPPORT ALL OF THEM.

AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, POST 5, 3, 9, 5, I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN THAT, UH, BELIEVES IN POSTS.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MARCH FOR 22.

AND, UM, THAT IS ABOUT VETERANS SUICIDE.

22 VETERANS DIE EVERY DAY FROM SUICIDE IN THIS COUNTRY.

SO THEY'RE BRINGING ATTENTION TO IT.

THEY HAVE ALMOST 200 PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO GO ON THIS WALK AND MARCH I'VE BEEN BEYOND IMPRESSED WITH LIZ HARTMAN AND THE JOB SHE WAS DOING.

SO YOU CAN GO TO THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE.

UH, FOUR O'CLOCK I BELIEVE IS WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO UNION POINT.

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AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, UM, ALL OUR VETERANS IN THE CITY OF NEWBURN AND YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY.