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THE TREES AND OUR CITY CAN SUFFER FROM THE HIGH WINDS AND FLOODING THAT COMES WITH ADMINISTRATOR[3.D. 300 Pollock St. (City Hall) – to include a 3-story addition, removal of an exterior fire escape stairway, moving flag poles, and replacing plants, all in the Secondary AVC.]
INDICATES THAT IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE TWO BUILDING INSPECTOR STATES THAT IT WILL NEED A BUILDING PERMIT.THEN OTHERWISE WE'RE READY FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, SIR, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THIS POINT, UH, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M MY NAME'S TRIP.
YOUR I'M A PRINCIPAL WITH MBF ARCHITECTS.
UM, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO ATTEND MULTIPLE DESIGN REVIEWS, DO SHARE IDEAS AND GET YOUR INPUT.
AND, UH, I REALIZE, UH, THE EFFORT THAT TAKES, UM, BUT I THINK WE'VE, UH, UM, COME TO AN AGREEMENT IS MY HOPE TONIGHT AS, AS TO WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST PRODUCT FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURN IN PARTICULAR, UM, CITY HALL, WHICH AT LEAST IN MY OPINION IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT HISTORIC RESOURCES IN NEWBURGH.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO IS A NOTIFIED PROPONENT WHO WANTS TO SPEAK A NOTIFY OPPONENT WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ANYBODY WHO HAS RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND STANDING WHO WANTS TO SPEAK? IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE STATE CITY OR ANY GOVERNMENT BODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT DON'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM ANY OF THOSE DIFFERENT, UH, BODIES.
SO I THINK WE CAN HAVE THE STAFF FINDINGS.
SO FOR THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND MBF ARCHITECTS, UH, PROJECT ADDRESS IS 300 POLYP STREET OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS NEWBURN, THE CITY HALL, UH, ALSO US POST OFFICE COURTHOUSE AND CUSTOM HOUSE THAT'S.
THAT WAS WHAT IT WAS IT'S PREVIOUS USED BEFORE IT BECAME CITY HALL.
UM, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
INVENTORY DESCRIPTION DESCRIBES 1895 TO 1897, ROMANESQUE REVIVAL STYLE, BRICK STONE THREE AND A HALF STORIES, ARCH RECESSED CORNER PORCH SURMOUNTED BY PROJECTING SCULPTURES OF BEARS, ARCHED WINDOWS, PARAPET CABLE IN STAIRCASE BAY, HIGH CORNER FOUR-PHASE CLOCKTOWER PEER MIDDLE GROUP FOR SAND BECK.
UM, IT DOES PROVIDE QUITE A BIT OF RELEVANT INFORMATION.
I'M SORRY, THIS IS SO LONG, BUT, UM, IT'S RELEVANT TO THE DESIGN.
UM, THIS, UH, AND I AM, I DID ONLY PULL OUT AN EXCERPT.
THERE IS ABOUT THREE PAGES OF THIS, BUT, UH, THIS MONUMENTAL PUBLIC BUILDING COMBINES IN AN ECLECTIC MANNER ELEMENTS OF THE ROMANESQUE REVIVAL AND HIGH VICTORIAN GOTHIC STYLES.
IT'S FLAMBOYANT USE OF CONTRAST IN COLORS AND TEXTURES OF STONE AND BRICK COUPLED WITH ITS PICTURESQUE MASSING, AND ROOFLINE MAKES IT THE PRINCIPLE LANDMARK OF THE CITY'S ARCHITECTURALLY CONSERVATIVE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT GOES ON TO SAY THE ARCHITECTURE IMPACT OF THIS, THE CITY'S FINEST AND MOST ELABORATE VICTORIAN PUBLIC BUILDING.
MUST'VE BEEN CONSIDERABLE ITS SCALE LAVISH USE OF ORNAMENTAL BRICK WORK AND CARVED STONE TRIM AND ELEGANT BOAT FINISHED INTERIORS MARKET AS THE TYPE OF BRAND PUBLIC BUILDING THAT ONLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD THEN UNDERTAKE TO BUILD IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA AS IS TYPICAL AND HIGH VICTORIAN GOTHIC WORK.
THE COLORS OF THE VARIOUS BUILDING MATERIALS PLAY AN IMPORTANT PART IN THE OVERALL DESIGN.
THE HIGH FOUNDATION IS OF BREAST LOCATED SANFORD NORTH CAROLINA BROWNSTONE.
WHILE THE FIRST STORY IS OF RED PRESSED BRICK LAID IN RED TINTED MORTAR.
THIS UNIFORM RED SURFACE IS ACCENTED BY THE USE OF BROWNSTONE LINTELS, SILLS AND SPRING COURSES.
THE UPPER STORIES ARE A BUFF-COLORED PRESS BRICK WITH ALL WINDOW OPENINGS, THE UPPER STRING COURSE AND THE TOOTH CORAL CORNICE OF CONTRASTING RED BRICK.
THE RECESS ENTRANCE AT THE BASE OF THE TOWERS ENTERED THROUGH TWO MASSIVE ARCHES OF ALTERNATING RED AND BUFF BRICK SUPPORTED BY A SHORT BROWN STONE COLUMNS WITH CARB FULLY AT CAPITALS IN THE ROMANESQUE REVIVAL MANNER BENEATH THE THREE 12 WINDOWS OF THE CENTRAL PAVILION IS A LARGE RECTANGULAR TERRACOTTA PANEL.
HAVING AREAS OF FOLIATE RELIEF, FLANKING, A UNITED STATES SHIELD MOUNTED ABOVE THE ENTRANCE.
ARCHES ARE WHIMSICALLY PAINTED COPPER.
BEYERS PURCHASED BY THE CITY IN 1913 OR 1914.
THESE WERE FORMERLY MOUNTED ON THE OLD CITY HALL ON CRAVEN STREET AND MOVED HERE IN 1936.
SO THE PROJECT FOR 300 POLLOCK STREET IS TO INCLUDE A THREE STORY
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ADDITION, REMOVAL OF A PORTION OF AN EXTERIOR FIRE ESCAPE, STAIRWAY, FLAGPOLES, HISTORICAL MARKER, AND MEMORIAL SCULPTURE AND REPLACING PLANTS ALL IN THE SECONDARY ABC.SO WE SUBMIT THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION, PUBLIC AND OPEN SPACES.
2.2 0.1 UTILITIES 2.3 0.1 THROUGH THREE AND 2.3 0.6 LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.3, 2.4 0.7 DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.1 0.1 3.1 0.2 3.1 0.4 AND 3.1 0.5 MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.2 ADDITIONS 3.3 0.1 THROUGH THREE FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.1 4.1 0.3, WALLS TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 4.2 0.4 WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.1 THROUGH 4.3 0.3 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.2 4.4 0.3.
ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY, 4.7 0.1 MASONRY 5.1 0.1 THROUGH THREE AND 5.1 0.5 METALS 5.3 0.1 THROUGH 5.3 0.4 AND PAINT 5.4 0.2 AND 5.4 0.3 STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.
THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL IS AN ADDITION TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.
THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A THREE-STORY ADDITION, REMOVAL OF A PORTION OF AN EXTERIOR FIRE ESCAPE, STAIRWAY, FLAGPOLES, HISTORICAL MARKER, AND MEMORIAL SCULPTURE AND REPLACING PLANTS ALL ON THE SECONDARY ABC WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, UH, BECAUSE I WAS NOT ABLE TO DISCERN IF THERE WAS ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING, THE APPLICANT IS TO INDICATE TO THE HPA WHO WILL VERIFY COMPLIANCE OF THE INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW OR RELOCATED LIGHTING BEFORE THE COA IS VALID.
IF ANY FINAL COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, OKAY.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION.
THIS WOULD BE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE MOTION.
IS, ARE WE, IS THIS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN A PRIMARY OR SECONDARY ABC? IT'S THE SECONDARY HERE? WHERE DID YOU READ THE PRIMARIES STREET FRONT? SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, RIGHT.
DO I SAY PRIMARY SOMEWHERE? YOU SAY SECONDARY, NOT PRIMARY, RIGHT? SO THIS IS SECONDARY.
THIS IS GOING TO BE SECONDARY PERIOD.
EVERYTHING BEHIND THE FACE OF THE BUILDING IS SECONDARY.
SO IT'S A FOOT OR TWO BEHIND TECHNICALLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? WE HAVE SEEN THIS PROJECT AS A TRIP.
SO NICELY SAID FIVE OR SIX TIMES OR MORE MAYBE PERHAPS.
SO WE ARE INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THE PICTURES AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO WE MAY NOT HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
HE MENTIONED MOVING THE FLAGS.
IT'S GOING TO PUT THE FLAGS TRIP THAT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TO FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF ON EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
UM, UH, WE WILL ALSO BRING BACK SPECIFICS REGARDING LANDSCAPE ESCAPING AT SOME POINT.
AND SHOULD IT BECOME RESOLVED IF THOSE FLAGSTAFF'S ARE GOING BACK ON THE PROPERTY, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AS PART OF THAT PACKAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
JUST SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, SO I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT.
UH, JUST TO MAKE, BEFORE I MADE THIS MOTION, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY IN THE GUIDELINES.
ARE WE LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES ON PAGE ONE, CORRECTION, PAGE TWO, ENDING ON PAGE THREE, WHERE THE ONES THAT YOU READ OFF, SIR, CAN YOU GO BACK AND GIVE HIM ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT HE NEEDS TO STAY? THE GUIDELINES YOU'VE GOT THE STATE, ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT HE STATED.
CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S TWO SETS IN THERE AND MAKE SURE I'M STAYING IN THE RIGHT ONES.
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SO STARTING RIGHT HERE WHERE HE HAS LIKE STARTS AT PUBLIC AND OPEN SPACES.SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE, TO FIND THEM AMENDMENT FOR 300 POLLITT STREET TO BE NOT CONGRUENT CONGRESS, NOT NUMEROUS, NOT DANGEROUS, NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15.4 11 TO 15.4 29 AND THE NEW BERN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC CONDITIONS AND FINDINGS OF FACT, AND THOSE WOULD BE, UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECTS WITHIN THE SECONDARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN, UM, CONDITIONS YOU'VE READ AND, UM, STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORICAL GUIDELINES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION, UH, PUBLIC AND OPEN AREAS.
2.2 0.1 UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1 2.3 0.2, 2.3 0.3, 2.3 0.6 UNDER LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.3, 2.4 0.7 DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.1 0.1 3.1 0.2 3.1 0.4 3.1 0.5 UNDER MODIFICATION IS 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.2.
UNDER ADDITION, 3.3 0.1 3.3 0.2 3.3 0.3 UNDER FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.1 4.1 0.3 ON THE WALLS TREND AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 4.2 0.4.
THE WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.1 1.3 0.2 4.3 0.3 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.2 4.4 0.3.
UNDER ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY.
4.7 0.1 UNDER MASONRY 5.1 0.1 5.1 0.2 5.1 0.3 5.1 0.5 UNDER METALS 5.3 0.1 5.3 0.2 5.3 0.3 5.3 0.4 UNDER PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3.
UM, AND STATEMENTS OR REASONS.
UH, NUMBER ONE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT.
YOU SAY, SO THIS IS THE SAME AS PROJECT IS LOCATED.
THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSAL IS IN ADDITION TO THE, A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE PROJECT IS NOT RUFUS WITH THE GUIDELINES, UM, AND NEW CONDITIONS.
YEAH, CONDITIONS WOULD BE THAT ANY LIGHTING AND THE SHRUBBERY AND THE REMOVAL OF THE FLAGS AND THE HISTORIC MARKERS IN THE MIRABELLE STRUCTURE AND THE PLANNINGS.
YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AGAIN ABOUT THOSE, RIGHT? WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
ADD CONDITIONS THEN, UM, TO PROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY'LL COME BACK WITH.
A PLAN INCLUDE, UM, FLAGS, POLE, FLAGPOLES, HISTORIC MARKER, MORALS, SCULPTURE, REPLACING PLANTS, ALL SECONDARY AND THE SECONDARY ABC IN THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
APPLICANT MAY INDICATE THAT HPA WHO WILL CERTIFY COMPLIANCE OF THE INSTALLATION IN THE NEW RELOCATED LIGHTING BEFORE THE COA IS VALID.
OKAY, WELL THAT WAS A BIG ONE.
WHEN IT GOT A JOB, SHE WANTED TO GO, OKAY, WE HAVE THE MOTION.
DID YOU GO ON TO SECOND, SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? SOME OF SO MOVED OVER HERE.
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ALL OPPOSED.YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CLA THANKS VERY MUCH.
WELL, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO READMIT MR. TRIP HERE? SOMEHOW WE HAVE A SECOND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.
[3.E. 111 Pollock St. – to include a porch addition in the Secondary AVC.]
SO WE'RE 2, 1, 1, 1 POLLOCK STREET.IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THAT.
SO AT ONE, ONE COLIC STREET, THIS APPLICATION IS AN APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
UH, AND THE COA WAS GRANTED AND THEN WAS EVEN EXTENDED ONCE.
UH, BUT, UH, IT DID SUBSEQUENTLY EXPIRE.
SO THEY ARE NOW RESUBMITTING, UH, THEIR APPLICATION AS NEW ESSENTIALLY.
UM, SO THIS IS THE, UM, APPLICATION FORM HERE.
ALL THE INFORMATION'S FILLED OUT UP, UM, ON THE FRONT AND THEN ON THE BACK AS WELL.
WE HAVE, UH, SARAH
UM, AND, UH, IT'S BEEN SIGNED AND NOTARIZED OR THE SIGNATURE HAS BEEN NOTARIZED.
UM, THIS IS THE FRONT PAGE OF THAT APPLICATION OR THE DRAWINGS FOR THE APPLICATION.
SO THIS SHOWS, THIS IS THE, UH, BUILDING THAT FACES THE RIVER, UH, DOWN, UH, CROSS THE STREET, THE LITTLE STUB STREET FROM THE GAS STATION DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT, RIGHT AT THE END OF THE POLLOCK STREET.
SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE POLLOCK STREET IF IT WENT ANY FURTHER, IT'D BE IN THE RIVER.
SO THIS IS THE LAST BUILDING ON POLLOCK STREET OR THE FIRST BUILDING ON POLLOCK STREET.
UH, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE ON THIS FACADE, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE S THE PORCH AND STAIRWAY HAS BEEN REMOVED, UM, AND ALL THE VARIOUS ANGLES.
THE ONLY INTERESTING PART IS THIS, UH, PORCH ON THE END.
UM, YOU CAN'T SEE IT BEHIND THE TREE, BUT YOU SEE IT HERE ON THESE TWO BOTTOM PHOTOS.
WE DON'T HAVE A PHOTO OF THE OTHER.
SO, UH, THE OTHER, UH, PIECE OF INTEREST IS ON THE LEFT-HAND OF THIS, UH, TOP CENTER PHOTOGRAPH.
THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITION ON THAT END OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
UM, WITH IT HAS, IT DOES HAVE A STAIRWAY GOING DOWN FROM THAT UPPER, UH, FROM THAT DOORWAY THERE.
SO, UH, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT, AND WE ARE REALLY ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS TOP PIECE UP HERE, THE NEW PORCH CONDITION AND THE SET OF STAIRWAYS STAIRWAY DOWN FROM THAT PORCH.
SO THESE, THIS IS A TOP ONE IS THE ROUTE PLAN FOR THE PORCH.
THIS, UH, SECOND ONE DOWN IS THE FIRST PLAN FOR THE PORCH.
UH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE STAIRWAY THAT WAS THERE BEFORE HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED, UH, POSSIBLY BY MS. FLORENCE.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM ON THE RIGHT IS THE FOUNDATION PLAN FOR THE PORCH.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S QUITE A BIT LARGER THAN IT WAS BEFORE AND PROBABLY SUBSTANTIALLY, UM, MORE STRUCTURALLY SECURE THAN BEFORE.
SO THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS ELEVATION NO LONGER THERE.
ANYWAY, UH, AND THESE ARE THE OTHER ELEVATIONS FROM SAY THE LEFT SIDE, WHICH FROM THE SIDE WITH THE ADDITION, UM, AND THIS WAS THE EXISTING STAIRS, UM, PORCH AND UNDERSIDE OF THE STAIRWAY, I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, THIS RIGHT ONE IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE FROM THE STREET.
KNOW THIS IS NOW THE NEW PROPOSAL.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, A HIP ROOF, UH, METAL ROOFING.
WE HAVE IMPEDIMENT, UH, UH, FACING THE RIVER, UH, AND, UM, UH, COLUMNS, UH, PAINTED WOOD COLUMNS.
UH, AND WE ALSO HAVE PAINTED WOOD RAILING AND PICKETS AS WELL
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AS PAINTED WOOD STAIRS, UM, IN THIS CASE AND RAILING TO MATCH, UH, THE EXISTING ONE ON THE ADDITION ON THE LEFT.AND THEN THAT'S ALL BUILT ON TOP OF NEW PAINTED BRICK, MASONRY, UH, WHICH WITH THESE, UH, ARCHED OPENINGS AND THEN FROM THE SIDES.
UH, SO WITH THE RIVER ON THE RIGHT, UM, UH, SO THIS ALSO HAS AN ARCHED OPENING ON THIS SIDE AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE SAME ELEMENTS HERE AND SAME ON THIS SIDE, EXCEPT THAT NOW WE CAN SEE THE STAIRWAY AT, ON FROM THE STREET, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR Z AND I FORM OKAY.
UM, FOR ONE 11 PALLEX STREET AND THE, UH, THIS IS A, THIS IS A NEWS ENI FORM OR FRESH ONE.
AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND FOR THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
UM, BUT THEIR COMMENT IS THE PORCH ADDITION MUST COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE FLOOD DAMAGE PREVENTION ORDINANCE FOR THE V E ZONE.
SO THE V ZONE IS THE MOST SEVERE ZONE THAT WE HAVE IT'S, UH, UH, WOULD HAVE BEEN GREEN ON THE MAP.
I DIDN'T ACTUALLY ADD THAT ONE ON THIS, UH, TO THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.
UM, BUT THAT IS THE ONE THAT HAS, UH, IS LIKE A BEACH HOUSE IN TERMS OF ITS REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT PROBABLY EXPLAINS A LOT OF THE, UM, STRUCTURAL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THERE ANY MEMBER WHO HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THIS PROJECT SEEING, UH, IS THERE ANY MEMBER WHO HAS ANY ISSUES ON THE APPLICATIONS COMPLETENESS SEE THAT? DOES AFRICA WANT TO MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENTS? ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED OPPONENTS? ARE THERE, IS THERE ANYBODY WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND HAS STANDING HE WANTS TO SPEAK? IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE CITY, STATE, OR GOVERNMENT WHO WOULD WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY, SO WE ARE DOWN TO STAFF FINDINGS OR, OKAY.
SO THERE'S A PROJECT FOR EDWARD CORNER AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN LLC, OR ONE 11 POLLOCK STREET.
THEY START PROPERTY NAME IS THE DR.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 1988.
HARVEY CIVIL'S HOUSE, 1935 TO 36 COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE BRICK, TWO STORIES ABOVE RAVES BASEMENT, FIVE BAYS, WIDE PEDIMENT ENTRANCE GABLE, AND THE ROOF RETURN CORNICES AND EXTERIOR IN CHIMNEYS AND SANDBOX DESCRIPTION.
UM, THE RELEVANT INFORMATION IS DR.
HARVEY CIVIL'S HOUSE, 1935 TO 36.
UM, THE EXCERPT IS THIS BRICK COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE HOUSE ORIGINALLY CITED ON THE EAST SIDE OF EAST FRONT STREET, NEAR BROAD STREET.
THE HOUSE WAS MOVED TO ITS PRESENT WATERFRONT LOCATION.
AND IN THE 1960S, IT'S SYMMETRICAL CONSERVATIVE TO EXTERIOR EXEMPLIFIES THE RESTRAINT COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE, WHICH WAS WHICH DOMINATED HIGH QUALITY RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION IN MUCH OF THE NATION DURING THE 1920S AND THIRTIES AMONG THE NOTABLE EXTERIOR DETAILS ARE A MEDALLION CORNICE, PEDIMENT ENTRANCE DOORWAY WITH SIDELIGHTS AND A FAN LIGHT AND SEGMENTAL RELIEVING ARCHES OVER THE WINDOW OPENINGS EXTENDING TO THE NORTH END IS A SPACIOUS SIDE PORCH FOR THE GABLE ROOF SUPPORTED BY TUSCAN COLUMNS.
SO THIS POINTS OUT THAT THE ENTRANCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USED TO BE THE FRONT MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, ONE 11 PALLEX STREET, UH, PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A CONCRETE AND BRICK MASON REPORTS ADDITION WITH CONCRETE SLAB FLOOR PAINTED WOOD COLUMNS, STAIRS AND RAILS AND STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFING IN THE SECONDARY ABC.
SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 3.1 0.4 3.1 0.5 MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 AND TWO ADDITIONS, 3.1
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0.1 THROUGH THREE FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.1 4.1 0.3, WALLS TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 AND FOUR ENTRANCES 4.4 0.12 AND FOUR FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.1 AND FOUR MASONRY 5.1 0.12, THREE AND FIVE FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.1 AND TWO.AND FOR PAINT 5.4 0.1 2 3, 6 AND SEVEN.
SO STATEMENTS, A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.
THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL IS A PERMANENT REPLACEMENT OF AN INCOME GROSS PREVIOUS ENTRY STAIRWAY THREE, EXCEPT FOR PAINTING THE NEW BRICK PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.
THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A CONCRETE AND BRICK MISREPORT TRADITIONAL WOOD CONCRETE SLAB FOR PAINTED WOOD COLUMNS, STAIRS AND RAILS AND STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFING IN THE SECONDARY ABC WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, WHICH ARE TO BE VERIFIED FOR COMPLIANCE BY THE HPA, THE EXISTING PEDIMENT ABOVE THE ENTRY WAY NEEDS TO BE RETAINED THROUGH CONSTRUCTION.
THAT RESPECTS ITS HISTORIC FABRIC.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS COA.
I BELIEVE ELLEN MADE THAT CONDITION AT THE TIME.
THE CONSTRUCTION MUST COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT REFERS TO THE ISSUE ABOUT FLOOD.
UM, WHAT REQUIREMENTS THE APPLICANT IS TO REVISE THE DRAWINGS, TO SHOW THE BRICK AS WHITE COLORED BRICK AND FOURTHLY.
THE APPLICANT IS INDICATED INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW OR RELOCATED LIGHTING.
SEEING THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? I RECALL JUST TO UPDATE THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, ALTHOUGH I SEEM NEW AT THE MOMENT, UM, THAT WE WENT THROUGH THIS ORIGINAL APPLICATION, BLESS SARAH'S HEART IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL.
UM, AND SO IT WAS THOROUGHLY THOUGHT OUT AT THAT TIME.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING, THE PAINTED BRICK.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WE CAN ABSOLUTELY MAKE IT WHITE BRICK OR WHATEVER.
TO ME, IT SEEMS A RIDICULOUS PART OF THE GUIDELINES.
IT SHOULD BE CHANGED, HONESTLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE EXISTING PAINTED BRICK, BUT I UNDERSTAND, AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY COMPLY WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT, UM, THE STANDING SEAM ROOF ON THE NEW PORCH, HOW ABOUT THE HOUSE? DOES IT HAVE THE SAME STANDARD? SAME THIS, UH, NO, IT DOESN'T.
IT'S GOT AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF, BUT THIS IS SO LOW PITCHED.
WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT LIKE THE SIDE PORCH, BUT THE SIDE PORCH HAS A VERY STEEP PITCH ROOF OVER IT.
AND THAT WOULD BLOCK THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT IF WE DID A SIMILAR PITCHED ROOF.
SO THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF REQUIRES IT TO BE A METAL ROOF.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS APPLICATION, MATT? WILL YOU ROLL THE TAPE PLEASE? THE MOTIONS COMING.
COULD YOU PUT UP ALL THE GUIDELINES SO SHE CAN? YUP.
I MOVED TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOR ONE 11 POLIC STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE, SECTION FIFTEEN, FOUR ELEVEN, ROUTE FIFTEEN, FOUR TWENTY NINE AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDING A FACT DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 3.1 0.4 3.1 0.5 MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.2 ADDITIONS 3.3 0.1, SIR.
3.3 0.23 POINT P 3.3 FOUNDATIONS 4.1,
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1.1 4.1 0.3.WALLS TRIMS AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 4.2 0.4 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.14 4.4 0.2 4.4 0.4 ROOFS 4.5 0.1 4.5 0.4 MASONRY 5.1 0.1 5.1 0.2 5.1 0.3 5.1 0.5 WOULD 5.2 0.1 5.2 0.2 PAINT 5.4 0.1 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 5.4 0.6 5.4 0.7.
FINDINGS OF FACT, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSAL IS A PERMANENT REPLACEMENT OF AN INCONGRUOUS PREVIOUS ENTRANCE STAIRWAY, EXCEPT FOR PAINTING THE NEW BRICK.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS NEED LIKE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH FULL GUIDELINES CONDITION.
THAT APPLICANT IS TO RETAIN THE EXISTING PEDIMENT ABOVE THE ENTRYWAY.
THEN RESPECT THAT HISTORIC FABRIC CONSTRUCTION MUST COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SPECIFICALLY FLOOD THE APPLICANT IS TO REVISE THE DRAWINGS TO SHOW THE BRICK AS WHITE COLORED BRICK.
THE APPLICANT IS TO INDICATE THE INSTALLATION OF NEW OR ANY RELOCATED LIGHTING.
ALL RIGHT, CAN WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? SECOND SECOND HERE.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, THOSE AGAINST HEARING NONE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COA SEVEN? SO MOVED ISSUE ISSUE.
THE CRA I MOVE, WE ISSUE THE COA AT THE SECOND HERE TO MY LEFT.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU COULD ISSUE THE CLA YOU WELL.
[3.F. 404 Avenue C – to include: demolition of the rear 1-story addition, garage, front porch, and side porch; and construction of a new 2-story addition, front and side porch replacements, new workshop, reroofing the entire house with standing seam metal, new driveway, new patio, replacement walkways, and new plantings, in all AVCs.]
ONE IS FOUR, FOUR.IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OR THIS IS A FOUR FOR AVENUE C.
THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETED HERE AS SHOWN.
AND THEN, UM, THE SECOND PAGE SIGNED AND DATED BY WHOM I DON'T KNOW, BUT, UM, THERE IS A CERTAIN OWNERS AUTHORIZATION, CHARLES FRANCIS, UH, CHARLES FRANCIS IS, UH, HERE WITH, ON THIS FORM, UM, INDICATED AS THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE AND THAT IS, UH, SIGNED AND NOTARIZED BY THE OWNER SIGNED BY THE OWNER AND NOTARIZED.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, UM, WHICH WOULD BE NICE.
WELL, UH, I GUESS WE'LL START AT THE BOTTOM SCREENS.
SO THE STREET IS ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER AND THIS IS THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
THERE WERE SOME EXISTING TREES ALL TO REMAIN FRONT.
UH, THIS SHOWS ON THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE WORK, OR SOME NEW WALKWAYS TO THE FRONT DOOR AND TO THE SIDE, FRONT DOOR AND PORCH AND TO THE SIDE DOOR AND PORCH.
UM, SOME NEW, UH, DRIVEWAY TRACKS, I GUESS, UH, TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S A NEW, UH, UM, UH, DRIVEWAY PAT OR DRIVE FRANKLIN PAD, UM, IN FRONT OF THE NEW WORKSHOP.
AND, UH, PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANTLY THOUGH, IS THERE'S A NEW ADDITION, UH, ON THE ENTIRE BACK HALF OF THE HOUSE.
UH, THERE ARE ALSO, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL WALKWAYS FROM THE SIDE PORCH AROUND TO THE BACK PATIO, WHICH ALSO ENTERS INTO THE SIDE OF THE WORKSHOP AND THERE'S, UM, LANDSCAPING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND ALK ALONG THE FRONT WALKWAY AROUND.
AND, UM, SOME OF THE PLANTS, UH, UH, HAVE, WELL, THE PLANTS HAVE BEEN
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IDENTIFIED.UH, IF WE NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT LATER.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS NOW NEW SINCE THE LAST, UH, MEETING IS THERE IS NOW A NEW FENCE THAT STARTS HERE AT THE CORNER OF THE WORKSHOP AND GOES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY AROUND THE BACK AROUND THIS SIDE, ON THE, UH, EAST AND THEN, UH, CONNECTS BACK AT THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, ON THE EAST SIDE WE'D THAT COVERS THAT.
SO, UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANTS, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, AND THIS PORCH WOULD BE REMOVED AS WELL AS THE SIDE PORCH, UH, AS WELL AS ALL THE SIDEWALK OR I'M SORRY, WALKWAY, UH, TO THE FRONT DOOR, INCLUDING THAT STEP.
UM, I BELIEVE ALL THE, ALL THE PLANTS WILL BE REMOVED AS WELL.
SO NOW THIS IS MORE OF AN OBLIQUE VIEW OF THE FRONT AND SEE MOST OF THE SAME THINGS AGAIN, THEN, UH, EVEN MORE BLEAK.
NOW WE CAN SEE THE SIDE PORCH, UH, MORE CLEARLY, AND THAT IS TO BE REMOVED, CAN SEE THERE CURRENTLY IS NO DRIVEWAY, BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS A CURB CUT.
SO, UM, ON THE REAR, THIS A ONE STORY ADDITION WILL BE REMOVED, UH, DEMOLISHED AND SAME WITH THE EXISTING, UH, UH, GARAGE THAT'S HERE ON THE RIGHT WITH ITS, UH, UH, KIND OF CARDBOARD ON THE FRONT.
SO BOTH OF THOSE WILL BE DEMOLISHED.
THIS IS NOW THE, UM, SITE PLAN AGAIN, WITHOUT THE COLOR.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE WOOD SHOP WORKSHOP ON THE LEFT.
THE PATIO JUST WENT OFF THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, UH, AND THEN THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, BUT PRIMARILY TO SEE ON THE LEFT IS THE SIDE PORCH ADDITION, UM, WITH THE SQUARE COLUMNS AND THE RAILINGS, UH, AND THE STEPS OUT TO THE FRONT AND THE STEPS OUT TO THE BACK, UH, WHAT STEPS OUT TO THE FRONT THEN, UH, MEET THE SIDEWALK OUT TO THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, AND THEN ON THE FRONT IS THE NEW PORCH WITH ITS, UH, SQUARE COLUMNS AS WELL.
AND THE NEW, UH, STAIRWAY AND WALKWAY.
OOPS, OH, UM, ALSO THE FENCE HAS SHOWN ON HERE, WHICH WASN'T THERE BEFORE AND HERE WE SEE IT.
UM, A GATE ON THIS SIDE, THERE WAS A FENCE ALSO, UM, EXTENDS BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE GATE AND THE GATE ON THE LEFT.
UM, WHAT IS THAT? UM, WE MAY SEE THAT IN THE ZONING CHECK THAT, UH, AND NOW THIS IS A ROOF PLAN FOR THE WORKSHOP AS WELL AS THEN A SECOND FLOOR PLAN FOR THE HOUSE, JUST SHOWING THE ROOFS OF THE, UM, TWO NEW PORCHES.
UM, IT'S A HIP ON THE BACK, BUT CABLES ON THE SIDE IN THE FRONT.
SO THE ELEVATIONS, UH, IN FULL LIVING COLOR, UH, AND YOU SEE THE NEW PORCH AS A NEW, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN TO IT, AS WELL AS THE SIDE PORCH.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT YET, BUT YOU WILL FROM THE SIDE IN A MINUTE AND THEY HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS ELEVATION, THEN THE DRAWING OF THE FENCING, UH, AND THE FENCES HAVE BEEN INCLUDED HERE AS WELL.
NOW YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE PORCH AND ITS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS THE SIDE OF THE FRONT PORCH AND THE, UM, WORKSHOP AS WINDOWS ON THE SIDEWALK COMMERCIAL BREAK.
I THINK THAT WAS, UH, AND THEN THIS IS NOW THE NEW REAR ELEVATION FOR THE NEW EDITION.
UH, TWO STORY ADDITION INSTEAD OF THE PREVIOUS ONE STORY ADDITION, UM, THE EVEN SHOW THE NEW HVC UNITS SHOWN HERE.
UM, BUT, UM, AND SOME BEAUTIFUL TREES AND SHRUBS.
UM, THEN, UH, NOW THIS WOULD BE FROM THE EAST SIDE, UH, THE EAST ELEVATION.
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IS THE RIGHT HAND SECTION HERE, ESSENTIALLY THE PORTION THAT DOESN'T HAVE SHUTTERS, YOU COULD SAY, OTHERWISE IT'S SOMEWHAT INDISCERNIBLE.UH, IN THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE HAD MENTIONED THAT THE WINDOWS WERE S UH, SQUARE SQUARE, OR THEY WERE HORIZONTAL, I BELIEVE, OR SOMETHING.
SO, UM, UH, THEY'VE NOW REVISED THAT TO SHOW A BLANK PANEL BETWEEN UNDERNEATH THEM TO, UH, REPLICATE THE, UM, PROPORTIONS AT LEAST OF THE, UH, OTHER WINDOWS ALL FOR UP TO THE HOUSE AND MAINTAINING THAT VERTICAL PORTION.
UM, LET'S SEE, THERE'S SEPARATE ELEVATIONS FOR THE WORKSHOP.
SO NOW WE SEE, UH, THE WORKSHOP ACTUALLY DOES HAVE ITS OWN PORCH AS SO TO SAY ON THE FRONT OF IT.
UH, IT IS A COUPLE OF FEET DEEP, UM, BUT ALSO MAINTAINS OR RETAINS THE SAME, UH, UM, STYLISTIC CHARACTERISTICS OF THE OTHER, UH, PEDIMENTS ON THE OTHER PORCHES.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE, UH, ELEVATION TOWARDS THE PATIO, UH, HAS NOT ONLY A DOOR, BUT ALSO TWO WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE.
UM, AND WE CAN SEE ONCE AGAIN, THE FENCING ALONG THE BACK OF THE WORKSHOP, SO, OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET DOWN THE DRAWINGS.
SO THESE ARE SOME RENDERINGS THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED, UM, UH, TO SHOW YOU MORE, MORE CLEARLY THE, THE STYLE AND, UM, DESIGN OF THIS, OF THE PROJECT.
UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU CAN SEE MORE CLEARLY THAT THE COLUMNS HAVE THESE RESETS PANELS ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE CAPITALS, UH, A SOMEWHAT LAYERED PEER SPEAK LAYER, MAYBE NOT, IS IT PLAYER? OKAY.
SO, UM, UM, ALSO THE FRONT STEPS HAVE THIS STEP DOWN, UM, UM, SIDEWALLS, WHICH IS NOT AN NOT UNCOMMON, NOT UNCOMMON, IT'S COMMON IN THESE STEPS.
UH, SO IN CASE IT WASN'T RECORDED, THE, UH, THE SIDEWALLS ARE REPLICAS OF THE SIDEWALLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE HOUSE OR REPLICATED THEM.
SO, UM, UH, MORE, UH, ANGLED PERSPECTIVE, YOU THE SAME THING IN SOMEWHAT FARTHER BACK, AND NOW FROM THE DRIVEWAY SIDE, UM, WE CAN SEE THE SIDE PORCH ALSO HAS THOSE SAME COLUMNS AND THE SAME ARCH AND LATTICE WORK, UM, IN THE ARCH, AS WELL AS THE, YOU CAN SEE THE RAILING FOR THE PORCHES ARE NOW THIS A LATTICE TYPE RAILING OR LATTICE STYLE, REALLY.
UM, AND THEN ALSO YOU SEE THE, UH, UH, PORCH ON THE WORKSHOP, UH, WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION, WE HAVE TRIPLE WINDOWS HERE, BUT, UM, BASICALLY ALL THE SAME WINDOWS REPEATED THROUGHOUT ON THE BACK.
WE ALSO HAVE TRIPLE WINDOWS AND THEN, UM, SINGLES ON TWO SIDES.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PATIO AS WELL AND THE WORKSHOP, THEY NOW ALSO PROVIDED SOME AERIAL PERSPECTIVES, UM, TO GIVE THEM MAYBE A BETTER IDEA OF THE OVERALL VIEW OF IT.
SO, UM, THINGS THAT STAND OUT HERE ARE NOW ON THIS ONE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE FENCE WRAPS AROUND THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND APPARENTLY IT WAS VERY MUDDY DAY TO COVER THE CAR WITH MUD EXCEPT FOR THE LIGHTS.
SO, UM, UH, AGAIN, HERE, NOW WE CAN SEE THE, UH, THE FENCING BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS AND AROUND, BEHIND THE, ALONG THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, UM, TREES ARE FLOATING IN MIDAIR, BUT, UH, YEAH, AND HERE'S OUR, NOW WE SEE HERE THIS, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE, UH, DRIVEWAY APRON FLAIR.
AND LASTLY, I BELIEVE THIS IS NOW A PERSPECTIVE FROM THE OTHER CORNER, SEE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
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UM, THEN WE HAD SOME, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS WHICH WERE ANSWERED HERE IN THIS EMAIL, UM, REGARDING SOME OF THE MATERIALS.UM, SO, UH, THEY'RE PLANNING ON USING LOUISIANA PACIFIC SMART SIDING, WHICH IS AN ENGINEERED WOOD, UM, ALSO CALLED ORIENTED STRAND BOARD.
UM, AND WE MAY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
UH, THEN, UH, THE DESIGN WASN'T CLEAR LAST TIME IF THEY WERE HAVING PEERS OR NOT.
AND YES, THEY W THE ACTUAL NEW ADDITION WILL HAVE PEERS BECAUSE THE EXISTING HOUSE DOES ALSO HAVE PEERS.
UM, AND I ASKED ABOUT FLOOD VENTS AND IT TURNS OUT THEY ARE NOT IN THE FLOOD FLOOD ZONE.
UM, SO THEY DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
UH, OH, THE PHOTO WAS TO SHOW ME THAT THE EXISTING HOUSE DOES HAVE PEERS.
UM, THEN, UH, I WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT CHANGING THE WINDOWS, WHICH WE SAW THAT THE RESULT OF THAT THE LEFT SIDING AGAIN, UH, IS THAT ORIENTED STRAND BOARD NUMBER SIX, UH, ASKED ABOUT THE GRILLS, UH, FOR THE WINDOWS.
AND THEY INDICATED THAT THEY IS, ARE 3D GRILLS INSIDE, UH, BETWEEN AN OUTSIDE AND THEIR, UH, MARVIN BRAND UNITS.
UH, I WAS NOW ASKING ABOUT THE WORKSHOP BECAUSE BEING A, UM, ACCESSORY BUILDING, IT DID NOT A NEW ACCESSORY BUILDING DOES NOT NEED TO ADHERE TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE A BUILD OF MATERIALS AT THE TIME OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UM, OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
UM, SO IT CAN BE MODERN MATERIALS.
UM, SO, UM, THEY WERE INDICATING PLANNING AND USING THAT ORIENTED STRAND BOARD, UH, WOOD MATCHING DOORS, UM, OVERHEAD DOOR WAS NOT YET THE MATERIAL WAS NOT YET SELECTED AT THAT POINT, THE WINDOWS AS INDICATED.
SO THE SAME AS THE ADDITION, UH, DECIDING AGAIN, UH, THE, UH, FOUNDATION WILL BE A CONCRETE SLAB ON GRADE, UH, AND THE COLUMNS WILL BE, UH, BETTER ON THE FRONT PORCH OF THE WORKSHOP WILL BE NEW WOOD COLUMNS, THE HOUSE.
UM, I DID, UH, ALSO POINT OUT THAT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME DEMOLITION HERE, UM, THAT WE MAY REQUIRE SOME DRAWINGS AND PHOTOS OF THE ADDITION IN THE GARAGE, AS WELL AS CONTACTING PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS TO SALVAGE PARTS.
UM, SO THAT COMES UP AS WELL IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO THIS WAS, UH, UM, THE DRAWING OR THE, UM, SCREENSHOT TO SHOW THAT THEIR, UM, EXISTING HOUSE AND THE ADDITION, UH, WOULD NOT BE IN THE BLUE AREA, WHICH IS THE FLOOD ZONE, THE YELLOW AREAS, MORE OF A WARNING ZONE, UH, AND HERE ALSO SHOWS UP FIVE SELECTED 4 0 4 AVENUE C.
AND FOR THE CNI FORM, UM, AH, YES.
UM, WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT EARLIER WAS THE DISTANCE FROM THE NEAREST STRUCTURE FOR THE ACCESSORY SETBACK.
FOR SOME REASON, I HAD IN MY HEAD 18 FEET BY EIGHT FEET, AND THEY SHOW 10 FEET, SOME ODD INCHES.
AND SO THE, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DID SAY THAT IT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS LAND USE ORDINANCE, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, SAYS WE'LL NEED A BUILDING PERMIT AND A DEMOLITION, AND BOTH DELISH AND AMBULANT PERMITS ARE REQUIRED.
SO THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST SEEING NONE? IS ANYBODY HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE COMPLETENESS OF THE APPLICATION? SO YOU CAN, UH, SIR, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE APPLICATION YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO COME FORWARD.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE, WE HAVE SAMPLES OF THE, UM, LOUISIANA PACIFIC SIGNING.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM SAMPLES OF THE, WHAT LOUISIANA PACIFIC SIDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING USING.
AND YOU HAVE, SO, YEAH, THAT'D BE FINE.
OH, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, BUT NOT FOR, OKAY.
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I'M GOING TO NEED TO COMBINE WITH WHATEVER THAT'S THERE.WHY DON'T YOU IDENTIFY WHAT IS ON THERE? OKAY.
OH, I LICENSE AND I'M GOING TO BUY HIM AND GIVE YOU SOME.
AND, UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST STATE YOUR NAME SO WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE? THIS IS THE OWNER AND MR. CAUDELIE, COULD YOU SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE SHARE IF WHEN POSSIBLE.
I'M GOING TO HAND THESE TO THIS FINE LADY.
AND THEN WHAT IS IT, YOUR PLAN? YOU GOT AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO PUT UP THERE.
SO IF YOU START THAT AROUND THERE, AND ACTUALLY WE BROUGHT SOME SHADES THAT, UH, TO USE REAL WOOD.
THE ONLY THING THAT HOLDS UP FOR A WHILE IN DOWNTOWN NEWBURGH IS BEVELED CEDAR.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT STUFF IS A HYBRID NOW.
SO EVEN WHEN YOU BACK PRIME, IT I'M ALL LEDGES AND DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN.
IN SOME AREAS, THEY PUT IN CEDAR ON THESE OLD HOUSE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
AND IN 10 YEARS, I'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND FIX THE SAME STUFF.
AND I DID IT CORRECTLY IF IT'S IN A MOIST AREA AND IT DOES GET A LOT OF SUN AND SOME HABITATION, IT JUST ROTS OUT.
AND RIGHT NOW, THIS CEDAR JUDGE FOR THIS ONE PROJECT CAME TO 26,000.
THAT MATERIAL CAME TO LIKE 6,200 AND THAT'S GOT A 50 YEAR WARRANTY.
AND IF YOU MAINTAIN IT, THEY CLAIM THEIR LAST LIFETIME AND IT NEEDS TO WIN LOADS.
UH, I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT, UM, MR. CARDELLA IS A PROFESSIONAL GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
UM, SO HE CAN ALSO BE CONSIDERED AN EXPERT WITNESS AS WELL.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US? YEAH.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT THOSE STRICT RULES AND STUFF.
THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IN TAKING THE TIME TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND ACROSS IT.
I'VE GOT A HOUSE WITH VINYL SIDING ON IT IS, YOU KNOW, UM, I COULD GO BACK WITH THAT BOND WITH THE
I MEAN, AND IT LOOKS, IT'S GOT THAT LITTLE SHOT LINE IN IT TOO.
WHEN YOU PUT IT ON, IT LOOKS JUST LIKE A HISTORIC HOME, JUST LIKE THOSE PICTURES SHOW WITH BEING USED ON.
I MEAN, I KNOW LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT AN OLD HOUSE THAT'S ON THE REGISTER, I AGREE.
YOU NEED TO SORTA KEEP THAT SORT OF LIKE IT IS, BUT THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT THAT'S IT.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENTS NOTIFIED OPPONENTS ARE AUDIENCES GONE DOWN TO JUST A FEW? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND STANDING IN THE AUDITS, NOBODY FROM THE CITY, THE STATE OR THE GOVERNMENT IS OUT THERE THAT I CAN SEE.
SO SIR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE US, UM, YOUR STAFF FUNDINGS, SERGEANT LYONS.
SO THIS IS A PROJECT OR MR. MS. CARDELLO AND SEE OUR FRANCIS ARCHITECTURE PA UH, THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS 4 0 4 AVENUE C.
UH, THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS IN FACT HOUSE.
UH, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT CLEAR IF IT'S CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING, UH, BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE HOUSE, IT COULD BE CONTRIBUTING MAYBE A MOOT POINT, BUT, UH, IT MIGHT NOT BE WITH REGARD TO THAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE SIDING.
SO IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY, UH, IT IS NOT LISTED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, BUT THAT WAS IN 2003 ESSAY IN 1998, 2003, UH, THE HOUSE, THEY SAY IT WAS BUILT CIRCUIT 1940.
SO IT WAS, UH, 48 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME OF THE INVENTORY.
AND WHEN THEY DO THOSE INVENTORIES, THEY AUTOMATICALLY
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CONSIDER ANYTHING YOUNGER THAN 50 YEARS TO BE NON-CONTRIBUTING UNLESS THERE ARE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.SO IT'S A, NOT A TOE STORY, BUT A TWO STORY ABLE ROOF FRAME, COLONIAL REVIVAL, HOUSE GARAGE AT THE REAR OF 4 0 4 AVENUE C IS CIRCLE 1941 STORY FRAMED GARAGE.
UH, THERE IS NONE, SO NO HELP FROM HIM, UH, BUT, UH, FOR, FOR AVENUE C, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ONE STORY, ADDITION, GARAGE, FRONT PORCH, AND SIDE PORCH, REMOVAL OF EXISTING VINYL SIDING REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS MODIFYING EXISTING BARN FORDS, AND EAVES CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO-STORY ADDITION, FRONT AND SIDE PORCH REPLACEMENTS, A NEW WORKSHOP.
RE-ROOFING THE ENTIRE HOUSE WITH STANDING SEAM METAL, NEW DRIVEWAY, NEW PATIO REPLACEMENT, WALKWAYS, AND NEW PLANTINGS IN ALL ABCS.
SO WE SUBMIT FOLLOWING HISTORIC GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION UTILITIES, 2.3 0.12, THREE AND SIX LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.3, FOUR AND SEVEN FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.
2.5 0.1 AND THREE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 AND TWO PARKING 2.7 0.1 AND TWO DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.12, FOUR, AND FIVE FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 AND TWO.
UM, NOTING HERE, 3.2 0.1 IS A SELECT MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE STRUCTURE AND LIMIT THE PAL TO THOSE MATERIALS THAT WERE AVAILABLE AT THE TIME OF BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED ADDITIONS 3.3 0.123 FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.13 AND FOUR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 2 3, 4, AND FIVE WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.
4.3 0.12 AND THREE ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1 AND FOUR ROOFS, 4.5 0.1 AND FOUR DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.4, MASONRY 501.12, THREE AND FIVE FOR WOOD.
5.2 0.1 AND TWO FOR METALS, 5.3 0.1 PAINT 5.4 0.12, THREE AND FOUR.
AND IF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IS TO BE BUILT WITH MODERN MATERIALS, WE CAN GO ADD CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.1 2 3, 4, AND FIVE AND SIX DEMOLITION, UH, 6.4 0.4 AND 6.4 0.5.
SO THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.
THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN A TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
TWO PROPOSAL INCLUDES DEMOLITION OF AN ADDITION TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN TWO PORCHES REMOVAL OF AN INCOME GROSS MATERIAL, AND ADDITION TO A POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND TWO REPLACEMENT FORGES, THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTS ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.
THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ONE-STORY ADDITION, GARAGE, FRONT PORCH, AND SIDE PORCH REMOVAL OF EXISTING VINYL SIDING REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS MODIFYING EXISTING BARN BOARDS AND EAVES AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO-STORY ADDITION, FRONT AND SIDE OF THE PORCH REPLACEMENT, NEW WORKSHOP REROOFING.
THE ENTIRE HOUSE WAS STANDING SEAM METAL, NEW DRIVEWAY, NEW PATIO REPLACEMENT, WALKWAYS, AND NEW PLANTINGS, ALL IN ALL ABCS FOR THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE APPS CAN INDICATE THE INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW OR RELOCATED LIGHTING AND UTILITY EQUIPMENT TO THE HBA WHO WILL VERIFY COMPLIANCE BEFORE THE COA IS VALID.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDED THE REQUIRED DRAWINGS AND PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING ADDITION IN THE GARAGE, THE HPA, AND PROVIDE THE HPA WITH A COPY OF THE COMMUNICATION WITH ORGANIZATIONS BEFORE THE COA IS VALID.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THE, UM, UH, APPLICATION BE REVISED TO NOT INCLUDE THE, UM, UH, ORIENTED STRAND BOARD SIDING, BUT RATHER, UH, NATURAL WOOD.
THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY DO NATURAL WOODS THAT HAVE THIS PROCESS? YES.
EITHER ANY FINAL COMMENT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
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ANOTHER MIND.AND
IF YOU GET THE GROUND CONTACT, WHICH IS NOT A STABLE WOOD TO PUT ON MOST HOUSES, IT'S OKAY FOR FRAMING AND SOME APPLICATIONS, BUT LIKE FOR SOCIETY, WE CAN USE IT.
IT'S GOT KNOTS, IT'S A NUMBER TWO MATERIAL.
WHAT YOU CAN DO IS FRUSTRATING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO DO GOOD WORK AND IT HOLD UP AND YOU'RE LIMITED TO WHAT YOU CAN USE.
UM, AND I STILL USE A LOT OF WOOD ON A LOT APPLICATIONS, BUT AS MUCH OF THE SIDING IS I USE, UH, I WOULDN'T USE THE LP ON JUST ONE OR TWO LITTLE PLACES, EVEN THOUGH I'VE HEARD THAT YOU CAN USE SYNTHETICS FOR REPAIRS, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT JOHN BOYD HAS SAID.
YOU COULD USE IT BETTER MATERIALS FOR REPAIRS.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KEEP THEM, IS THAT A YES OR NO? EXCUSE ME, IS THAT A YES OR NO, BUT THAT'S NOT A YES OR NO QUESTION FROM ME.
UM, UNDERSTAND HOW FUN AS A OUTSIDE SERVICE.
AND IT IS AN ORIENTED STRESSOR.
THEY GIVE THERE'S WOOD FIBERS, SO IT WILL NOT SUBMIT US ALL PVC.
SO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE IT'S THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THE WINDOW? UH, THE PANEL THAT WAS ADDED, IS THAT A CLEAR PANEL WINDOW? OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT IF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE ONE POINT IT'S LIKE SOLID PANEL OR REFERRED TO AS A BLIND PANEL IN ORDER TO EVEN THE WINDOWS SO THAT THEIR SPACING IS IN ORDER TO MAKE THE WINDOW VERTICAL SO THAT IT MATCHES THE PROPORTIONS OF THE OTHER WINDOWS AND THAT MATERIAL WITH THERE YOU GO.
UM, SO IT'S, IS THERE ANYTHING UNDER THAT PHARMA SIDING WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THERE?
IF YOU GO, IT'S ALREADY UP THERE.
THERE'S EXISTING WOODSIDE SIDING UNDERNEATH THE VINYL SIDING RIGHT NOW.
AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS THAT THE FELT DAMP PROOFING THAT IS BEHIND THAT IT WAS RIPPED AND TORN OFF FROM OVER TIME.
SO SOME OF THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME OFF IN ORDER TO REPAIR THAT.
SO THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY WOOD HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY WOOD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANYBODY'S GOT? OKAY.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN.
UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS THE, THE ADDITION AND THE REAR THAT YOU'RE TEARING OFF.
WHEN WAS IT ADDED? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? NO IDEA.
IS THIS CONSIDERED A HISTORIC HOUSE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CONTRIBUTED YOU MEAN CONTRIBUTING? OKAY.
SO I MEAN, THE WORD HISTORIC IS MAYBE NOT WHAT YOU MEAN, BUT CONTRIBUTING TO THAT CONTRIBUTOR.
MAINLY THE, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE ANY TYPE OF VINYL SIDING IN THE, IN THE STORE.
AND I JUST WONDERED IF THAT IS APPLICABLE TO THIS HOUSE AND TAKING THE BOTTOM OF SIGNING OFF RIGHT THERE, TAKING ALL THE BOTTLES, PUTTING IT ON.
THEY'RE TAKING ALL OF ON SIGNING.
DOES THAT HELP YOU? AND WHAT'S HE PUTTING BACK ON? WE WANTED TO PUT BACK ON THAT, UM, ORIENTED STRAND BOARD SIDING, BUT LOUISIANA PACIFIC MAKES CALLED SMART SIDING PIECE OF BOARD THAT THEY SENT AROUND.
THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT ON.
BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY USE WOOD.
AND NOT THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY USE WOOD BECAUSE WOOD IS ALREADY ON THE HOUSE.
MY QUESTION IS I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS GOING AROUND YOU, DELANEY.
THAT HOW TALL IS THAT FENCE? THE FENCE PICKETS, THE HOT HOPKINS PICKETS FOR SIX FEET.
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POSTS THAT GO UP ABOUT EIGHT INCHES HIGHER THAN THAT RIGHT.POSTS THAT ARE EIGHT INCHES HIGHER.
RIGHT? IF YOU, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING? YEAH.
'CAUSE THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE TO THE BACK AND ONLY BE SIX FEET.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE POST OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU GOT.
DO YOU WANT, YOU WENT TO AN ELEVATION, RIGHT? THAT WAY WE CAN SEE ACTUAL AREA OF THAT.
I GUESS THAT SHOWS EVEN MORE TO HIDE SOME PICKETS.
WE OFFER A TALL DATA, 60 PAPERS ABOUT NINE, FIVE.
SO LIKE ON THE BUILDING RIGHT HERE ON THE RIGHT.
THERE'S THIS FAR ONE ON THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER.
HOW TALL IS THAT BEING RIGHT THERE? UH, ABOUT SIX FOOT EIGHT.
YEAH, BUT IT CAN ONLY BE SIX FOOT WALL BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN OUR GUIDELINES.
YOU'LL HAVE TO CUT IT DOWN IF YOU WANT US TO APPROVE IT, APPROVE IT.
SO THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE NEED TO ADD ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE.
NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS YOUR PLANNING, DO YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO PLANNINGS EVERYWHERE, BUT YOU DON'T TELL US WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GOING TO BE.
MY NAME IS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FRONT WALK AND AROUND THE HOUSE OR, UM, YEAH, EXISTING RE UM, REPLANTED, BOXWOODS, BOXWOODS.
IT'S EXISTS THEIR EXISTING BOX, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM OUT, MOVE THEM OUT OF, OR REPLANT THEM.
AND THEN THE TREES BACK AROUND ON THE PATIO OR KWANZAA AND CHERRIES, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME ARRIVED.
YOU'LL NEED TO IDENTIFY WHO CAN BECOME THE SCREENS ON THE SITE PLAN.
THAT WAS, I SKIPPED THAT OVER WHEN IT WAS SO SMALL.
UM, SO THE TREE, SO THERE'S SOME TREES OUT FRONT NOW, ARE THOSE THE SAME TREES THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ME IN THIS, UH, DIAGRAM HERE? SO YOU DON'T PLAN TO CUT.
YOU DO NOT PLAN TO CUT DOWN ANY TREES? NO.
ANY TREES THAT WERE GOING TO BE TAKEN DOWN HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN DOWN.
THERE WAS ONE NEXT TO THE GARAGE THAT WAS, UH, NEEDING TO BE REMOVED.
AND ONE OF THE DRAWINGS, YOUR AIR CONDITIONING AND HEATING UNITS AT THE BACK WERE SITTING OUT, UH, BY THEMSELVES.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PICK UP THAT PICTURE, BUT IT WAS AT THE BAT.
UM, AND THOSE NEED TO BE FRAMED IN, IN SOME WAY.
THERE'S YOUR HVHC, THEY'RE JUST SITTING OUT THERE.
WHY DO WE NEED TO DO THAT? WELL, THE, THE REQUIREMENT IS TO BE SCREENED FROM THE STREET AND LEAVE THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING, SCREENS THEM FROM THE STREET.
THAT'S COMPLETELY FENCED IN YARD AT THAT POINT AS WELL.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION ABOUT THE ADDITION IS, IS THE NEW ADDITION IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE SAME STORY? OR IS IT THE SAME WIDTH AS THE SINGLE STORY, BUT IT'S DEEPER.
SO WHAT IS THIS WORKLOAD AT GOP EDITION VERSUS THE MAIN HOUSE? I'M SORRY.
I'LL HAVE TO READ THAT TO YOU.
YOU GOT TO SPEAK, YOU NEED ME TO COME.
SO THEY'RE CLOSE TO YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POOL AND ASKED ME ABOUT THE VINE.
I COULD GO BACK WITH VINYL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE.
THEY SAY, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT.
IF YOU'VE GOT VINYL ON IT, YOU COULD TAKE IT OFF AND PUT NEW BOND ON IT.
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LP ON INSTEAD OF THE VINYL, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO WITH REAL WORLD, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL WOOD.AND THAT'S THE WHOLE CATCH 22 THERE FOR ME.
AND I DO WANT TO USE THE MONEY TO PUT A REAL METAL ROOF ON IT INSTEAD OF SHINGLES.
SO WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP IT AS BEING CAPING IN BETTER THAN IT IS NOW.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO WOOD.
AND I JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THIS TO KEEP ANOTHER MIND WITH THIS MATERIAL FOR FUTURE, UH, ALEXIS, BUT BEFORE YOU GET AWAY FROM THE, HAVE YOU FOUND A GOOD CONTRACTOR? DO THE WORK FOR YOU? NOT YET.
WELL, I'LL BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR YOU.
AND IF I FIND SOMEBODY I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS NOT GET AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION? THE BUILDING THAT YOU WERE APPROVED TO TAKE DOWN THE ADDITION ON THE BACK, WHEN WAS IT BUILT? OKAY.
BUT BASED ON THE WOOD, THIS, ON THE FLOOR AND THE DIMENSION OF THE FRAMING GETS PROBABLY WITHIN A 10 YEAR, I WOULD THINK 10 TO 15 YEARS FROM WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT.
MAYBE THEIR FORTIES, EARLY FIFTIES, I NOTHING WAS BUILT BEFORE THEY HAD TO GO BACK.
SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, AND JUST BE AWARE OF SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED.
CAN YOU BRING UP ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN THE GUIDELINES? AND THEN THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS AT THE BOTTOM AND ADDED TO THAT CONDITION IS THE ONE ABOUT WOOD AND ABOUT THE FENCE.
SO WOODEN FENCE HAVE TO BE ADDED IN NOW, CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO REPLACING, I, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES CHANGED SINCE 10 YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS HERE.
SO IN REPLACING CANDY, REPLACE THEM WITH BOMBS STEEL.
I MEAN, I THINK USED TO, IT SAID IN THAT GUIDELINE, IT SAID IT COULD REPLACE IT WITH REPLACEMENT.
AND SO IT WAS THAT WE STILL, SO THE REFERENCE YOU ARE, UM, INQUIRING WAS A MATTER OF GREAT CONTROVERSY AND IT IS NO LONGER IN THE GUIDELINE PERIODS.
AND SO, UM, SOME ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE, UH, TRYING TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES OF WHAT YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR.
UM, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD BE, UH, UH, AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE, YOU KNOW, FOR OR AGAINST.
SO, SO TRIP, I HEAR YOU SAYING REPLACEMENT IN KIND IS A LOUD, I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE, WELL, I I'D SUGGEST WE STICK TO THE APPLICATION AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS TO PUT THE SIDING MATERIAL.
NO, THE LOUISIANA PACIFIC SIDING MATERIAL.
AND THEN I ASK A VERY APPROPRIATE QUESTION BECAUSE MY HOUSE IS, BUT HAS VITAL SIGNS AND THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF ANOMALIES IN THE DISTRICT, YOU KNOW? AND OBVIOUSLY IF THE APPLICANT IS, HAVE NO REQUIREMENT TO REPLACE THE SIDING, BUT HE WOULD LIKE TO USE THIS LOUISIANA PACIFIC MATERIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? THE LADY TO THIS PROJECT? IF EVERYONE WILL BE EXTRAORDINARILY PATIENT, I WILL TELL YOU.
SO CAN YOU BRING, UH, STARTING WITH UTILITIES, IS THIS ALL THE ITEMS? SO HE BROUGHT THAT UP FOR YOU, HUH? ALRIGHTY.
THE APPLICATION FOR 4 0 4 AVENUE C TO BE NOT AN INCONGRUOUS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS FIFTEEN FORTY ONE, ONE THROUGH FIFTEEN FOUR, TWO NINE, AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES
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AND FINDING EFFECT UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1 2.3 0.2 2.3 0.3, 2.3 0.6 LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.3, 2.4 0.4, 2.4 0.7, FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.2.5 0.1 2.5 0.3, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 2.6 0.2 PARKING 2.7 0.1 2.7 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.3 0.12, FOUR AND FIVE MODIFICATIONS IN 3.2 0.1 AND TWO ADDITIONS, 3.1 0.1 2, 3, 3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.1 3.3 0.2 3.3 0.3 FOUNDATIONS 4.1 0.1 4.1 0.3 4.1 0.4.
WALLS TRIMS AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 4.2 0.2 4.2 0.3 4.2 0.4 4.2 0.5 WINDOWS OPENINGS 4.3 0.1 4.3 0.2 4.3 0.3 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.1 4.4 0.4 ROOFS 4.5 0.1 4.5 0.4, DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.4 MASONRY 5.1 0.1 5.1 0.2 5.1 0.3 5.1 0.5 WOOD 5.2 0.1 5.2 0.2 METALS 5.3 0.1 PAINT 5.4 0.1 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 5.4 0.4.
PERTINENT TO THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS NEED TO COME.
HE'S GOT 5.5 0.1 5.5 0.2 5.5 0.3 5.5 0.4 5.5 0.5 5.5 0.6 LAST BUT NOT LEAST DEMOLITION 6.4 0.4 6.4 0.5.
FINDINGS OF FACT, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THAT PROPOSAL INCLUDES DEMOLITION OF AN ADDITION TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND TWO PORCHES REMOVAL OF AN IN CONGRESS MATERIAL AND ADDITION TO A POTENTIALLY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, NEW CONSTRUCTION OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND TO REPLACEMENT PORCHES.
THE PROPOSED DOES ON COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE WERE CONDITIONS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS GUIDELINE.
THE APPLICANT IS TO USE WOOD FOR THE SIDING.
THE APPLICANT IS TO INDICATE THE INSTALLATION OF ANY OR NEW OR RELOCATED LIGHTING AND UTILITY EQUIPMENT TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADMINISTRATOR, WHO WILL VERIFY THE COMPLIANCE BEFORE THE COA IS VALID.
THE AFRICANESS TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED DRAWINGS AND PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING ADDITION AND THE GARAGE TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ASSOCIATE ADMINISTRATOR AND PROVIDE THE ADMINISTRATOR WITH A COPY OF THE COMMUNICATION WITH PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS BEFORE THE COA IS VALID ARE THERE AND THE FENCE FENCES CAN BE NO MORE THAN SIX FEET ALL IN.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE ERECTED ACCORDINGLY.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? OH GOOD.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND QUESTION SECOND.
THERE WAS A THING, THERE WAS A QUESTION.
DO WHAT? THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION.
DID WE SAY THAT HE IS ALLOWED TO REPLACE IN KIND OR AS ELLEN MENTIONED IN WOOD? NO,
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HE HAS TO REPLACE WITH WOOD.BUT HE'S GOT THE FABRICATED WOODS, SO THAT'S OKAY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CLARIFY ON? THAT COULD BE BETTER, I GUESS.
UH, DO I NEED TO AMEND MY EMOTION OR IS THAT CLEAR IN MY MOTION? OKAY.
I WOULD SAY TO CLARIFY IN YOUR MOTION, REVISE YOUR MOTION TO CLARIFY IT.
UM, AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, AS A CONDITION OF THE COA BEING ISSUED, THE APPLICANT MUST AGREE THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL BE CITED IN WOOD.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT? OH, SHE'S BECAUSE THEY REPORT THAT WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS WOOD.
UH, SO HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE, HOW ABOUT EXOTIC SOLID WOOD, A PRODUCT PRESENTED TO AND APPROVED BY THE HPA? DOES THAT JAMIE'S SHAKING HER HEAD FOR THAT ONE TOO.
I THINK THE CONCERN WITH ALLOWING STAFF TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE MATERIAL DELEGATES THE QUASI JUDICIAL DECISION TO STAFF.
OH, WELL IN THAT, WHAT WORDS DO WE NEED TO DO? DO WE NEED TO SAY IT NEEDS TO BE WOOD AND NOT, I WOULD SAY SOLID WOOD VERSUS SOLID WOOD, NATURAL WOOD WOOD FOUND IN NATURE.
SO I WOULD SAY SOLID WOOD, SOLID WOOD, SOLID WOOD.
CAN YOU ADD THE WORD SOLID BEFORE THE WORD WOOD IN YOUR MARSHA? OH MY GOODNESS.
UM, CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE THE SAME JUST WITH THE WORD SOLID IN FRONT OF ME.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT I SAID TWO SECONDS.
AS A CONDITION OF THE COA BEING ISSUED, THE APPLICANT MUST AGREE THAT THE HOUSE WILL BE SIDED IN SOLID WOOD.
DID YOU SECOND IT, WE HAVE A CIRCUIT.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES.
UH, CAN WE, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? SO MOVE TO MOVE DOWN HERE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND OVER HERE.
SO IF YOU WILL GET WITH MATT AROUND SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE COA AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING BEFORE US, AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE PICTURES OF THIS BEAUTIFUL HOUSE ONCE YOU GET IT NOW.
UM, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC, WE'VE GOT THREE PEOPLE OUT THERE LEFT.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS IN ANY OF Y'ALL WANT TO MAKE HEARING THERE IS A GENTLEMAN IN THE HALLWAY OR ARE YOU HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
[7.A. CoA Extension: 720 E. Front St. – extension to November 20, 2022.]
UNDER NEW BUSINESS, UM, HEY, THERE'S A COA EXTENSION TO SEVEN 20 EACH ONE STREET UNTIL NOVEMBER THE 20TH OF NEXT YEAR.THE SECOND ITEM IS THE TRICK COURT, UH, TASK.
WELL, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD, UM, GO OVER THE EXTENSION OF THE SEVEN 20 EAST FRONT STREET.
THIS IS JUST A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO EXTEND THE APP, THE COA, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO BREEZE THROUGH SORRY, BREEZE THROUGH THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR YOU.
UH, SO YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE EXTENDING.
THE RIVERSIDE OF EAST FRONT STREET EXTENDS FROM HIS FRIEND STREET TO THE RIVER, UH, AND, UH, TAKES THE, UH, FRONT POSITION WHERE THE UPPER PORTION OF THE SITE FOR THE HOUSE, THERE WAS A DRIVEWAY ON THE
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SOUTH SIDE.UH, AND THEN THE REST OF THE SITE TOWARDS THE RIVER IS TO BE UNDEVELOPED.
UM, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME, UM, TERRORIST WALL, UH, GARDEN WALLS ON THE FRONT.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT THOSE PHOTOS WERE THERE.
SO THIS IS THE, THE SITE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS THIS A VACANT PLOT HERE ON THE UPPER LEFT AND ALSO IN THE CENTER AND ON THE UPPER, RIGHT? THOSE ARE ALL VIEWS OF THAT SAME LOT.
AND THEN ALSO THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE IS THIS YELLOW HOUSE.
AND ACTUALLY THE LOT CURRENTLY HAS A DEPRESSION IN IT.
AND IT'S APOSTROPHE, OR IS THAT A LARGER VIEW OF THAT SAME SITE PLAN? SO THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, UM, SHOWS, UH, THE GARDEN WALL THAT I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE IS ALONG THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEN THEY HAVE A LARGE SET OF STAIRWAYS GOING UP TO A LANDLORDS LANDING AND THEN ANOTHER SET OF STAIRWAYS TO THE FRONT PORCH, ESSENTIALLY.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF LANDSCAPE BEDS, UH, ON THIS SIDE.
UH, ALSO NOTE THAT THE FACADE STEPS BACK SEVERAL TIMES, THREE TIMES, UM, WE'LL SEE THAT IN THE ELEVATIONS AS WELL, OUT THE BACK, THERE'S A PET, UH, DECK.
UH, AND THEN THERE WAS A RAISED, UH, LAWN ON THE BACK WITH STEPS DOWN TO THE UNDEVELOPED AREA.
SO, UH, THAT'S THEN THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION AND, UH, IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT, UH, THIS, UH, ELEVATION IS DIVIDED INTO THREE PARTS, UH, LEFT MIDDLE AND RIGHT.
AND THE MIDDLE HAD THESE, UH, SHED DORMERS ON THEM AND THE LEFT DOES NOT.
AND THE LEFT ONE IS CLOSEST TO YOU, THEN THE MIDDLE ONE STEPS BACK, UH, THE AMOUNT THAT I SHOWED ON THE PLAN AND THEN THE THIRD ONE STEPS BACK EVEN FARTHER.
AND UNDER THAT ONE IS WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE STEPS, THE LARGE LANDING, AND THEN THE LARGE SET OF STEPS AT THE BOTTOM.
UH, THEY HAVE A FOUR-FOOT HIGH RETAINING WALL OR A GARDEN WALL ON THE FRONT RETAINING WALL AND LAWN ESSENTIALLY ON TOP OF THAT, UH, THEN, UH, THE FOUNDATION WALL DOES, UH, UM, IS PROPOSED ABOVE THAT.
SO ONE OF THE ISSUES, UH, WE'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, SHOW YOU THE, UM, FLOOD PLAIN THING, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, THEY'RE SHOWING THIS TO BE 13 POINTS, 13 FOOT, SIX INCHES TO THE FIRST FLOOR, UM, ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
ARE YOU SAYING THIS, THAT PICTURE ARE THE NEW ONE? THIS IS THE ONE THAT THEY HAD APPROVED, UM, TWO YEARS AGO.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE.
THAT WAS THE ONE WHERE THEY CAME IN WITH A MODEL.
REMEMBER, SO, AND THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION.
UM, NOW WE HAVE, UH, ALL THREE SECTIONS HAVE ABLE, SO THESE THREE SECTIONS ARE, UM, JUST STEPPING BACK, UM, ON BOTH THE FRONT AND THE BACK AND THIS BEING THE SIDE.
SO NOW WE HAVE, UH, THE, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING FOR THE SIDING MATERIAL.
UM, AND THIS HOUSE SITS DOWN IN THAT DEPRESSION? YES.
WELL, THEY MIGHT BE ADDING SOME, UM, IT MIGHT BE ADDING SOME WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY RELEVANT THIS HOUSE.
THEY HAD, THEY, I BELIEVE THEY, THE APPLICANTS THEMSELVES ARE ALSO ARCHITECTS IF MEMORY SERVES THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEY HAD IT ALL FIGURED OUT THEY'RE FROM SO THAT THEY AREN'T REGISTERED IN NORTH CAROLINA AS FAR AS IT SEEMS SO THAT ACTUALLY SARAH AFRA BACH IS THEIR, UM, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE.
AND, UH, THIS IS THE SITE HERE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER.
UH, BUT THE HOUSE IS UP AT THIS END.
UH, AND SO THE, UH, BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IS 90 FEET THERE.
AND SO FROM SEA LEVEL, RIGHT ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
SO WHEN YOU ADD THE TWO FEET OF FREE BOARD AND THEN THE TWO FEET OF,
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UM, UH, DUCT WORK AND, UH, FOR STRUCTURE, UH, YOU'RE AT 13 FEET AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 13, SIX, SO, UH, 13 FOOT, SIX INCH TO THEIR FIRST FLOOR WHO THEIR FIRST FINISHED.SO, UM, AND THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THEIR FIRST, UH, COA, AND THEN THIS IS THEIR EXTENSION.
AND SO NOW THAT THEY WANT ONE MORE, UH, YOU, UM, STAFF CAN NO LONGER APPROVED THE EXTENSIONS.
SO WHAT WE WOULD NEED IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION AND THEN CITING THE DATE OF NOVEMBER 20TH, 20, 22.
DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO BUILD AT IF THEY HAVE TO BE IN PROCESS BY THE X, THE DEADLINE, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE COMPLETE? NO.
IN PROCESS, THEY JUST NEED TO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT AND MATT, I GUESS IT'S NOT REALLY ALL THAT RELEVANT, BUT HAVE THEY INDICATE TO YOU THAT THEY'RE READY TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION? UM, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.
UM, SO I'D RATHER NOT SAY, AND THAT'S THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S SORT OF NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, I GUESS.
UM, WELL, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WAS A GREAT DESIGN, UM, IT'S TWO YEARS AGO, BUT I, I SEEM TO RECALL IT WAS REALLY GOOD AT, AND SO, UM, I WOULD CERTAINLY MOVE TO REAPPROVE IT.
IT WAS, BUT I, I DON'T RECALL IT LOOKING LIKE THAT TALL ON THE FRONT.
IT WAS, IT DOES NOT APPEAR WHAT THEY KIND OF, UM, WEDDING CAKED.
IT, UM, ALMOST LIKE A SKYSCRAPER IN NEW YORK, ALTHOUGH IT'S, YOU KNOW, BY NO MEANS A SKYSCRAPER SO THAT THEY STEP BACK, THOSE INCREASES IN ELEVATION SO THAT IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WALL OR BE REAL TALL FROM THE GROUND.
THAT'S THE, EXACTLY THE IMPRESSION I REMEMBER, BUT YEAH.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, SINCE WE'VE GOT NEW GUIDELINES AT THE BOTTOM HERE, I'M GOING TO SAY BELOW THE PORCH ARE THESE FOUNDATION BEAMS AND WHAT'S BETWEEN THEM.
DO THEY HAVE LOUVERS, UH, FOUNDATION PEERS, HE WITH LOUVERS IN BETWEEN, SO THESE ARE ALL LOUVERS? YES.
AND WHAT DOES THAT LIMB ROCK THERE IN THAT AREA WHERE THEY WOULD NEED THAT BREAKAWAY? YEAH.
UM, THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT, HOLLY, THAT'S DOWN HERE, UH, CHOSEN THE, IN THIS DIAGRAM HERE, IT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN AT THE RIVER AT THAT LOCATION.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A LARGE AREA FROM YOUR LITTLE YELLOW.TO THE RIVER, WHAT IS IT LIKE? IS THAT A HUNDRED FOOT DEEP BLOCK? SO TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT ALL THE WAY AROUND, SO THE REAR PORTION HAS THEM SAW THE SIDE.
UM, SO EXCEPT FOR WHERE THE GARDEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S JUST A LONG ON TOP OF IT ON THIS RIGHT-HAND SIDE ALSO IS JUST THE LAWN SLOPING, LONG WOOD LOOPERS.
AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE THE FRONT HAS THEM AS WELL.
SO THEN THEY MADE THOSE, THOSE TWO CHANGES IN REQUIREMENTS.
SO, SO THIS, THESE DRAWINGS HAVEN'T CHANGED IN TWO YEARS, THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOD MAPS HAVE CHANGED, BUT, UH, YEAH, THEY APPARENTLY ARE LUCKY THAT THEY ARE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT THE YEAH.
THEY WENT AHEAD AND DID ALL THAT.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS I KNOW OUR REQUIREMENTS AND THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO EXTEND THIS TO NOVEMBER, 2020? AND IF NOTHING HAS HAPPENED BY THAT DATE, THEN THIS APPLICATION GOES TO FUND.
THEY COULD COME BACK AGAIN AND ASK IT AGAIN.
THEY CAN COME BACK WITH THE SAME APPLICATION OR THEY CAN COME BACK.
AS MANY TIMES AS YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO RE UH, UH, WRAP ANYTHING IN THIS PLAN THAT SHOWS
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I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CURRENT FROM QUEENS POINT ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSECTION OF KING AND EAST FRONT AND HOW THAT FITS THIS DESIGN FITS WITHIN THAT SPACE, BECAUSE WE WERE ALL OVER THE MAP THERE RIGHT NOW, THE OTHER SIDE IS MORE VICTORIAN TOWNHOME LOOK, BUT LOOKING THE, ON THE RIVERFRONT, THOSE HOUSES ARE EVERYWHERE.SO, UM, THIS, UM, WE'RE NOT IN A HEARING, SO THE APPLICANT ISN'T PRESENT, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE APPLICATION THAT HAS, IT SHOWS US ANYTHING WE DIAGNOSED WITH DIARRHEA.
THE NEIGHBOR WOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF THIS HOUSE WHEN THEY CAME TO A YEAR, I WAS ACTUALLY HERE WHEN THEY PRESENTED IT, I SAW THE MODEL THAT SARAH HAD AND IT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW FREELY I'M ABLE TO SPEAK RIGHT NOW, BUT IT, I JUST I'M, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR JOB AESTHETICALLY IS TO SEE THAT IT'S CONGRUENT WITH THE REST OF THAT BLOCK.
AND RIGHT NOW I, I WOULD JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THE PLAN IS TO SEE A VISUAL LIKE SARAH HAD TO DO WITH HER TOWNHOUSES AND HOW THEY ALL LOOKED AND WE REDESIGNED OR REQUESTED OR REDESIGNED FOR A FRONT DOOR SO THAT IT LOOKED IN, IT LOOKED APPROPRIATE FOR THE PLACE.
AND I THINK I'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE.
MADAM CHAIR, THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL.
UM, MS. SULLIVAN, THAT, THAT DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER IT MET THE FORM AND RHYTHM AND ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS, AS FAR AS CONGRUENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT PARTICULAR STREET, THOSE DETERMINATIONS WERE MADE WHEN THE ORIGINAL, EXCUSE ME, ORIGINAL COE WAS ISSUED.
THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU ALL RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER YOU WILL CONSIDER EXTENDING THE TIMEFRAME THAT THIS PARTICULAR AFRICAN HAS TO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT.
DO YOU BOARD, UM, SO WE HAVE TO, AT THIS POINT, IF I WOULD AGREE OR DISAGREE TO EXTEND THAT, DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? YES.
AND WHEN, WHEN THE MOTION IS CALLED, UM, TO AUTHORIZE AN EXTENSION, YOU'RE WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS TO VOTE NO TO THAT MOTION, BUT AS FAR AS ADDING ELEMENTS OR CONDITIONS TO THE COA, THAT THAT IS NOT RIGHT.
THIS MOMENT IS NOT THE APPROPRIATELY.
THAT'S NOT THE PURVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, ALTHOUGH, BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW GUIDELINES OUT THERE AND I'M IN FLOODPLAIN.
THAT'S I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THAT HAS CHANGED, BUT THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND ALREADY HAS A COA.
SO THAT CAN'T BE CHANGED IF YOU WANT TO VOTE.
NO, FOR THE EXTENSION, YOU CAN DO THAT.
AND MADAM CHAIR, AS IT RELATES TO THE CHANGES IN THE FLOOD, PLAIN, IF THERE ARE ZONING, ADDITIONAL ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO COMPLY WITH NOW THAT THEY DIDN'T BACK IN 2019, THEY WOULD, IF THAT CHANGES, DESIGN ELEMENTS, THEY COULD COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD TO AMEND, TO ASK, TO AMEND THE COA, TO COMPLY WITH THOSE WELL IT'S BECAUSE OF THOSE.
BUT AS IT, AS MATT SAID, THEY KIND OF LOOKED OUT BECAUSE THEY ALREADY DID THE TWO THINGS THAT WE WOULD ASK THEM TO DO.
THEY'VE GOT THE 13 FOOT AND THEY GOT THE LOUVERS, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD ASK THEM.
SO WE DON'T WRITE THE ASK THAT I SHOULD JUST BE CLEAR THAT THESE LOUVERS, UM, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THE LOUVERS ARE THE KIND OF BREAKAWAY LOUVERS THAT WE SAW ON THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
I'VE SEEN, UM, UH, SOME OF SARAH'S OTHER PROJECTS WHERE LOUVERS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, BUT THEY'RE INSTALLED ON TOP OF A CONCRETE BLOCK WALL, WHICH HAS A FLOOD EVENT IN IT.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BREAKAWAY KIND OF DEAL, BUT IN TERMS OF ITS OVERALL APPEARANCE, IT'S THE SAME.
DO THEY NEED TO BE BREAK AWAY? I DON'T THINK SO.
NO, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT THEY HAVE TO BE RIGHT.
BUT IN TERMS OF APPEARANCE, IT'S THE SAME.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO WE'RE DOWN TO WHETHER OR NOT WE EXTEND THEIR COA FOR ONE YEAR PERIOD.
AND YOU'RE ALSO, YOU'RE FREE TO EXTEND IT FOR ANY TIME PERIOD.
YOU'D LIKE, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT TWO YEARS, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THEM TWO MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS, WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, NORMALLY IT'S NORMALLY WE CAN DO A YEAR, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU.
UM, WE'VE WAITED A YEAR, ONE YEAR'S PLANNING.
UM, YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? SO SOMEBODY
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IT NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION EITHER IN THE POSITIVE OR, UM, I'M PREPARED TO MOVE THAT WE EXTEND THE COA ISSUED ON.
WAS IT NOVEMBER 20TH, 2019 AND EXTENDED ON NOVEMBER 20TH, 2020? WELL, NO IT WAS ISSUED ON, CAN YOU JUST, YOU CAN JUST EXTEND THE EXPIRATION DATE OF THE APPROVAL TO 11 20, 22.
I MOVED THAT WE EXTEND THE COA FOR SEVEN 20 EAST BRUNCH STREET TO NOVEMBER 20TH, 2022.
SO WE, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE EXTENSION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND OVER HERE? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NO, THAT ONE, NO.
YOU KNOW, AND I SAID, YEAH, WE GOT ONE.
SO YOU WILL INFORM THEM THAT THEY HAVE UNTIL NOVEMBER THE 20TH OF 2022.
[7.B. Trent Court Task Team: assign team members]
ITEM, 20SO WE HAD SOME MEMBERS FROM THE OVERALL, UH, REBUILDING THAT IS GOING ON IN THAT AREA AND ABOVE THAT AT OUR DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND WE TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT, UH, AND THEY HAD AN INTEREST IN US, UH, JOINING IN WITH THEM AND BEING PART OF, UH, THE DISCUSSIONS THAT GO ON TO MATT.
DO YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE NEED TO BE ON THIS TEAM? HOW, HOW THAT GONNA WORK OR ARE WE, THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY UP TO THE CHAIR, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE I'D LIKE TO, UM, DEFER TO OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND ALL THIS OUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAD THIS FROG.
UM, WE'RE CATCHING THE SAME THING.
UM, SO MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF, OF STAYING AT DESIGN REVIEW TO HEAR THE FULL CONVERSATION AS IT RELATED TO, UM, THE TRENT COURT PROJECT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO BEAR IN MIND THAT THIS BODY MAKES QUASI JUDICIAL DECISIONS, WHICH MEANS YOU ARE THE FINDERS OF FACT, YOU COLLECT EVIDENCE, YOU WEIGH THAT EVIDENCE AND YOU MAKE THE DETERMINATION AND DOING THAT.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, MEANING COMMUNICATIONS HAD WITH THE APPLICANT OUTSIDE OF OUR REGULAR MEETING SESSION, WHERE, AND YOU'RE TAKING IN INFORMATION THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO YOUR ULTIMATE DETERMINATION AS FINDERS OF FACT.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, IT COULD BE THAT IF THERE IS A WORKING GROUP OR SOME SUBSET, LESS THAN A QUORUM OF MEMBERS OF THE HPC WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE DAY TO DAY OUTSIDE OF DESIGN REVIEW, COLLABORATING COOPERATING WITH THE APPLICANT, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE TO BE SOME EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT COULD PRESENT ISSUES.
WHEN YOU COME TO THE TIME WHERE YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, A COA, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, EXCUSE ME, UM, THAT THERE ARE VALUABLE RESOURCES HERE AT THE CITY FOR APPLICANTS WHO ARE DOING WORK IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
ONE OF THEM HAPPENS TO BE SEATED TO MY LEFT, MR. SHELLEY, UM, THE STAFF MEMBER HERE.
UM, I ASSUME THAT GET IT GIVEN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, UM, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WILL BE SELECTING THE ARCHITECT AND THAT PERSON, THAT TEAM OF ARCHITECTS, WHEREVER THEY CHOOSE CAN CERTAINLY COLLABORATE WITH STAFF.
UM, I'M SURE THEY WILL SELECT SOMEONE WHO'S FAMILIAR WITH WORKING HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND HAVING HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
SO IT MAY BE THAT THE SOLUTION OR THE, THE RESOURCE THAT WE'RE OFFERING CREATES MORE COMPLICATIONS, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE REASONABLY NECESSARY, ESPECIALLY, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE, UM, COME TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION YET, IS THAT RIGHT? SO WE'RE VERY, VERY EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS AND IT MAY BE THAT IF ADDITIONAL RESOURCES ARE NECESSARY FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE COULD DEAL WITH THEM LATER IN THE PROCESS.
BUT I DO WANT YOU TO BEAR IN MIND HOW ENGAGING AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, WHETHER IT'S WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT OR ANY OTHER, UM, CONTRIBUTE UP AS YOU GET CLOSER TO YOUR FINAL TERMINATIONS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF SEEMS TO REMIND ME OF SAY THE PROCESS THAT, UM, MBF ARCHITECTS USED WITH US WITH THE CITY HALL
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IN THAT THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE MONTHLY, UM, UH, WORK SESSION, DESIGN REVIEW SESSIONS, THE, UM, THE INFORMAL PORTION, THE PORTION A, OR NUMBER ONE, UH, PORTION TO, UM, PRESENT IDEAS AND DISCUSS THE IDEAS WITH US ALL AS A GROUP, UM, THAT THEREFORE THAT THEREBY AVOIDS THE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT A STAFF MEMBER WHO MIGHT BE COMMUNICATING WITH THEM WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE SINCE THEY'RE A STAFF MEMBER.
AND THEN THAT IF THEY WANT TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH US, THAT THEY, FOR INSTANCE, COULD COME TO DESIGN REVIEW BY, THEY DID TWO WEEKS AGO AS THE PROCESS MOVES A WALL, AND THEN EVERYTHING IS OPEN AND CLEAR, CORRECT.
WE DON'T HAVE SOME MEMBERS OVER THERE HEARING THIS INFORMATION AND THAT, AND REPORTING BACK TO THEM.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, COMMUNITY STAFF COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT IS NOT EX PARTE BECAUSE STAFF ISN'T MAKING THE ULTIMATE DECISION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DISTINCTION THAT YOU'RE MAKING.
SO WE NEED TO PRESERVE OUR ARMS DSR CONTACT WITH WE ARE WELL, OUR ARMS LINK JUDGMENT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT IN THE GROCERY STORE OBVIOUSLY, BUT ENGAGING AT LENGTH ABOUT THE DETAILS AND GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT OUTSIDE OF THIS CONTEXT CREATES OPPORTUNITIES FOR, FOR THINGS TO NOT GO.
ACTUALLY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD SENSE IF THE CHAMBER MIGHT TO THE LEVER TO SPEAK FROM THE FLOOR FOR THE DOOR.
SO YOU'D NEED TO COME UP HERE JUST SO WE COME HERE, YOU NEED TO COME UP HERE AND YOU NEED TO SIGN IT.
DOES SHE NEED TO BE SWORN IN, OKAY.
UM, AND I TOTALLY AGREED WITH YOU ALL.
IT WASN'T OUR INTENT TO DO THAT.
IT WAS JUST OUR INTENT TERRAFORM.
YOU WOULD, WOULD BE FORTHCOMING.
SO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ALL MORE SO THAN ANYTHING.
AND, UM, IT, IT, WASN'T OUR ATTEMPT FOR YOU ALL TO, TO, TO DO, UH, TO FORM A TASK FORCE OR TO COME TO US.
UM, AS INDIVIDUALS, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF WHAT WOULD BE FORTHCOMING.
AND I LIKE MATT AND I WOULD LOVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIM MORE OFTEN THAT THAT WAS OUR TRULY TEAM.
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT TO SAY THAT OUR COMMUNICATION WITH THEM, A LOT OF IT GO THROUGH MATT ARE WE WILL ASK THEM TO COME TO DESIGN REVIEW.
YOU CAN ASK THEM TO COME TO DESIGN REVIEW, OR THEY CAN ADD, OR THEY CAN REQUEST TO COME TO DESIGN REVIEW.
YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? NO.
SO THAT, SO THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND THAT WILL SAVE US ALL FROM GETTING INTO TROUBLE WITH GETTING INTO A GRAY AREA IN WAYS THAT WE NEED NOT TO HAVE GOTTEN INFORMATION.
SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT WITH US AND YOU KNOW HOW TO FIND THAT
SORRY TO MAKE YOU WAIT, HOW MANY HOURS I THANK YOU FOR COMING.
[7.C. Establish deadline for Design Review Meeting application items]
UM, ITEM C, IS THAT OKAY? YOU'RE GOOD.HE WAS WANTING TO TALK TO, OR LISTEN TO THE TRAIN COURT THING, ESTABLISHING A DEADLINE FOR DESIGN REVIEW MEETING APPLICATION ITEMS. SO THIS CAME UP AS AN ITEM, UH, DUE TO A VERY LONG MEETING THAT WE HAD A LITTLE WHILE AGO, UH, AT ABOUT PEOPLE COMING TO DESIGN REVIEW AND WHAT THEY BRING TO DESIGN REVIEW, UH, AND ORDER TO HELP MOVE THAT MEETING A WALL AND FOR PEOPLE TO COME WITH INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL TO US.
SO I WANTED TO START THIS DISCUSSION, MATT AND I I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT, UH, I WANTED TO START THIS DISCUSSION WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE THREE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE KIND OF COME BEFORE US IN DESIGN WITH YOU.
SO THE FIRST PERSON THAT MIGHT COME TO US IN DESIGN REVIEW MAY BE A PERSON THAT JUST WALKS IN THAT MATT HAS NOT CONTACTED MATT, UH, THAT COMES TO RESIGN DESIGN REVIEW TO WANT TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
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UH, THEY MAY NOT HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION.THEY MAY NOT HAVE, THEY MAY NOT KNOW THEIR GUIDELINES EXIST, BUT THEY MAY COME AND WANT TO ASK US SOME INFORMATION.
AND BECAUSE WE ARE QUASI JUDICIAL APP, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE HELPFUL TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE SOME ROOM FOR THAT PERSON TO COME IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND DO THAT.
SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE ALMOST SAY THE FIRST TIER FIRST LEVEL, THE SECOND LEVEL WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO COMES TO DESIGN REVIEW, UH, WHO ACTUALLY BRINGS US, PERHAPS SOME DRAWINGS, UH, BRINGS US AN IDEA.
UH, SO THEY HAVE SOME INFORMATION WITH THEM THAT THEY CAN SHARE WITH US.
AND, UM, FOR US TO GET AN IDEA AND TO ASK THEM SOME QUESTIONS, THE THIRD LEVEL OF PERSON WOULD BE A PERSON WHO'S MADE AN APPLICATION.
AND MATT HAS ALL OF HIS MAGIC, LITTLE GOING THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND THEY PAID THE FEE AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THIS BEING BROUGHT UP IS THAT FOR THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO, TO HAVE AN APPLICATION, UH, AND PAY THE FEE, IT HAS TO BE DONE BY A CERTAIN DATE.
AND THAT DATE IS HOW LONG BEFORE THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.
SO CURRENTLY, UM, ARE YOU ASKING CURRENTLY, OR WHAT'S ASKING CURRENTLY, SO CURRENTLY IT'S THE DAY BEFORE, UH, AND, UH, THE, FOR THE DRAWINGS, THEY JUST NEED TO TELL ME THEY WANT TO BE ON THE AGENDA TWO DAYS BEFORE I EAT MONDAY NOON ON MONDAY.
SO NOON ON MONDAY IS THE DATE.
IF THEY, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THEY WANT, THEY JUST HAVE TO TELL ME THAT THEY WANT TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANYTHING OR WHATEVER AT THAT POINT.
SO THE, THE THING THAT THIS IS ABOUT IS OUR, OUR TIER TWO GROUP THAT HASN'T PUT IN AN APPLICATION, THEY HAVEN'T PAID THE MONEY, BUT THEY WANT TO COME AND THEY MAY WANT TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS OR THEY HAVE A PROJECT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS THE TIER TWO PERSON.
WHEN THEY COME THAT NUMBER ONE, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE.
SO IT'S THE MONDAY BEFORE THE WEDNESDAY MEETING.
ALTHOUGH I JUST REALIZED I HAVE TO CORRECT MYSELF ON THAT.
UM, UH, THE MONDAY NOON DEADLINE IN ORDER FOR US TO PRODUCE A, AN AGENDA BY THE END OF THE DAY ON MONDAY, THAT, UH, BEING A STATE MANDATED REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC MEETINGS TWO DAYS AHEAD.
SO ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, AND, AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUASI JUDICIAL, UH, WORK TO DO AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, IT'S ONLY TWO DAYS.
FOR QUASI JUDICIAL IT'S SEVEN DAYS.
SO ANYHOW, UM, UH, BUT WHAT I'VE FOUND THIS LAST TIME IS THAT THE AGENDA IS STILL ALLOWED TO BE REVISED AT ANY POINT.
SO PEOPLE WERE ASKING TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA.
AND SO WE ADDED THREE MORE PEOPLE TO THE ALREADY POSTED AGENDA.
SO WHAT, SO, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS FOR A LEVEL TWO, THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME, THEY CAN COME BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN APPLICATION IN, OR THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE FEE, BUT THEY DO HAVE TO COME IN AND IT BRINGS SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR PROJECT AND THEY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE GUIDELINES AND WHAT QUESTIONS THEY HAVE RELATED TO THE GUIDELINES.
AND THIS IS SO THAT PERHAPS OUR DISCUSSIONS CAN BE SHORTER AND MORE DISTINCT, AND WE CAN BE MORE HELPFUL TO A PERSON.
IF THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THE GUIDELINES VERSUS THE PERSON THAT WE HAD COME TO HIS DESIGN REVIEW, WHO DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE GUIDELINES, DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT IT, UM, HAD TO DO WITH WINDOWS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, SO THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET A DEADLINE.
AND THEY HAVE TO THAT JUST LIKE THE PERSONS IN, IN TIER THREE, THEY HAVE TO MEET A DIED, UH, THE GUIDELINES.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE AN APPLICATION.
THEY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE GUIDELINES, UH, THAT THEY'RE USING FOR THE APPLICATION THAT THE TIER TWO PEOPLE PERSON HAS TO DO THAT SAY THAT SAME TYPE OF THING.
AND IF THEY DON'T MEET THE DEADLINE, BUT THEY WANT TO COME, THEY COULD COME.
BUT THAT, THAT PERSON CAN THEN NOT BE PUT ON THE AGENDA IN TWO WEEKS,
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BECAUSE THEY DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF WHERE THEY HAD TO HAVE THEIR MATERIAL TO US.DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH.
SO IF I MAY ALSO ADD, UM, BECAUSE THE, UM, DEADLINE FOR THE APPLICATION AND THE FEE TO GET TO THE MEETING TWO WEEKS, HENCE IS ACTUALLY THE NEXT DAY AT NOON.
UH, IT'S UNLIKELY THAT A TWO OR TWO PERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT OVERNIGHT.
AND IF THEY DO, THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT.
THEY CANNOT GO ON TO THE TWO WEEK, UM, TO COME TO THIS MEETING.
I HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS.
THEY'D HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS.
THEY COULD COME TO THE MEETING THAT WE WOULDN'T PREVENT THEM FROM COMING, BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE GUIDELINES OF, OR UNDERSTAND THE GUIDELINES.
HOW ABOUT LOST ANYBODY IN MY DISCUSSION? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE TIER ONE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO AND GET THEM? THEY THEY'RE RARE.
I THINK I'VE SEEN ONE OR TWO IN MY TWO YEARS, BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING, WANTING TO BE HELPFUL TO PEOPLE WANTING TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BLOCK SOMEBODY WHO'S NEW.
ALL OF A SUDDEN SAYS, WELL, I NEED TO GO GET THIS.
AND I MEAN, YEAH, I, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT BALANCE OF KNOW, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPENDING MONEY IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT TO MAKE OUR CITY BETTER.
AND IT'S SOMETIMES EASY TO LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT STOPPING ANYBODY, BUT THEY NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK.
THEY NEED TO DO SOME HOMEWORK.
IF THEY GET, THEY WANT TO GO FROM RESIDE, REVIEWED TO TWO WEEKS, THEN THEY'VE GOT THE MEET THE DEADLINE.
THEY'VE GOT TO BRING SOME INFORMATION AND THEY'VE GOT TO BE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT OF THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING.
AND THAT WILL HELP US IN DESIGN REVIEW WITH BEING MORE HELPFUL AND PRODUCTIVE AND BEING ABLE TO GUIDE THEM BETTER THAN A VERY LONG INVOLVED CONVERSATION ABOUT, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS, THERE WAS A GUT.
HOW ARE THEY INVITED TO COME IN? EVERYBODY COMES AT SEVEN AND THEN IT'S SEVEN TO WHENEVER ARE THEY TOLD IN ADVANCE.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DESIGN REVIEW? YES.
I'M JUST, ARE YOU, WE WENT THREE HOURS FOR SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THE HALLWAY.
SO MY QUESTION IS I'M NOT GETTING, AM I GETTING PINNED DOWN ON NUMBERS? I JUST WANT TO KNOW.
USUALLY I DO MENTION THAT, ESPECIALLY THE ONES, THE LATE COMERS TO THE THING.
I MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE ON THE END AT BEING ADDED TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER APPLICATIONS BEFOREHAND.
AND SOMETIMES I TRY AND GUESS AS TO HOW LONG, YOU KNOW, JUDGING BY WHAT THEY ARE, UH, HOW LONG THAT MIGHT BE.
UH, BUT I CAN'T TELL THEM TOO FAR, TOO LATE EITHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO, AND THEY CAN LOOK, THEY CAN GO AND LAFOND THE AGENDA AND KNOW WHERE THEY ARE ON THE AGENDA.
BUT I WOULDN'T LOOK AT ATTEND TO KNOW THAT THAT MEANT I'D BE IN A HALLWAY FOR THREE HOURS.
I SAID THEY WOULD KNOW WHERE THEY WERE, WHETHER THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OR LATER IN THE, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T SAY THAT.
I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S COMING, IF WE GIVE THEM THAT HEADS UP, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO IT, IT ELIMINATES THAT FRUSTRATION BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF FRUSTRATED PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD TELL.
AND I MEAN, IT'S GETTING LATE FOR EVERYBODY SO WELL, BUT THAT WAS A VERY UNUSUAL MEETING.
WE HAD FOUR ITEMS BEFORE WE GOT TO THAT, THAT WE HAD TO HAVE BEFORE WE COULD GET TO LOOKING AT DESIGN REVIEW.
SO THAT WAS A VERY 10 PROJECTS WE DON'T NORMALLY HAVE.
AND WE DON'T NORMALLY HAVE THAT MANY MADAM CHAIR TO THAT POINT, IF I COULD SAY SOMETHING, UM, I, I THINK A LOT AND A LOT OF WHAT THIS IS, IS JUST AGENDA MANAGEMENT OF KNOWING AND HAVING SOME EXPECTATIONS.
WHAT CANVAS IS TALKING ABOUT, SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT EM AGENDA AND KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE.
UM, ONE THING THAT GIVEN THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IS KIND OF BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT THE WORK SESSION PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ARE TALKING, MAYBE WE GIVE OURSELVES AN HOUR THAT WE TALK AND THEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLICATIONS KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO BE THERE AT SIX 30.
AND WE MOVE ON FROM THERE SOME SORT OF, A LOT OF TIME, LIKE EACH APPLICATION HAS ABOUT 15 MINUTES.
SO PEOPLE HAVE SOME SORT OF SENSE OF TIMING, UH, IN CARBORO MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WE HAD TO SAY,
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AND WE NEVER, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS STICK TO IT, BUT YOU HAD SOME SORT OF SENSE OF TIME EACH THING'S GOING TO TAKE 15, 20 MINUTES.AND SO, UM, WE WOULD KNOW BETTER AND PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO ESTIMATE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT I FEEL LIKE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WE COULD USE, TAKE THAT HOUR, WHATEVER THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND, AND DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN APPLICANTS WOULD KNOW TO BE THERE AT SIX 30.
WELL, I SEE THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT VERY RARELY DO WE HAVE AN HOUR'S WORTH OF INFORMATION TO DISCUSS BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS? THAT THAT LAST MEETING WAS VERY UNUSUAL AND WE SHOULD PUT THE APPLICANTS IN THE FRONT AND WE OWN THE BACK SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SITTING OUT IN THE HALLWAY.
WELL, IT CAN'T, AS I JUST SAID, AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE FOUR ITEMS DONE BEFORE WE COULD LOOK AT ANY OF THE APPLICATIONS.
AND THAT WAS VERY UNUSUAL THAT YOU, IT USUALLY DOES NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY USUALLY DOES NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY.
SO, UM, THAT WAS JUST UNFORTUNATE ON THAT DAY.
SO, SO THE, FOR, FOR ME, I DON'T THINK THE NURSE REALLY MUCH ISSUES WITH TIER THREE.
I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S, YOUR FOLKS ARE WELL ENOUGH INTO THE PROCESS AND THEY, THEY AREN'T, THEY UNDERSTAND THERE'S GUIDELINES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY DARN CLOSE TO FOR THEIR COA.
THE TIER TWO ARE THE INTERESTING ONES IN, UM, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ARCHITECT NOT TO BE NAMED, SHOWING US AN IDEA THEY'VE GOT, THAT UNDERSTANDS THE GUIDELINES AND ALREADY THOUGHT THROUGH THAT, SHOWING, SHOWING THIS AND SAYING, WHAT DO YOU THINK, OR SOMEONE THAT JUST WANTS TO ARGUE WITH THIS ABOUT THE WINDOWS AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY SENSE OF THE GUIDELINES WHATSOEVER.
AND THEN YOU SPEND 45 MINUTES ARGUING ABOUT WINDOWS AND THEY DON'T, THEY'VE NEVER SEEN THE GUIDELINES.
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT.
I THINK WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN ALLEVIATING IS THE ARGUMENT ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
NOT THINK YOU ARE TOO, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ALLEVIATE WITH TIER TWO.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THE TIER TWO PEOPLE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT GUIDELINES THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, SO THEY HAVE TO GO AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE, HAVE LOOKED AT THE GUIDELINES AND THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THAT IN TERMS OF JUST LIKE A PERSON IN TIER THREE.
I MEAN, THEY THEY'VE ALREADY GOT IT ALL WITH THEM, WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE.
UM, AND THEN I WILL CERTAINLY TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TOO.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WENT OVER 45 MINUTES, BUT THAT'S TOO LONG FOR THAT TO, TO, TO HAVE GOING ON.
SO, UM, SOMEBODY SITTING BESIDE ME CAN POKE ME CAREFUL, UH, SO THAT, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE, UH, AN ALLOTTED AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT AGAIN, WE, IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, WE NEED TO DO THAT IN A DIFFERENT FORM AND LET THEM COME BACK AND I CAN MEET WITH THEM.
I'VE HAD TO DO THAT BEFORE, UH, ARE THEY CAN COME BACK AND TALK TO MADAM CHAIR IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL AND OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES.
WE SET FORTH TWO TYPES OF DESIGN, INFORMAL AND APPLICATION REVIEW.
IF THERE'S A MID RANGE TIER, UM, THEN WE MADE ME TO CONSIDER UPDATING OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES TO REFLECT THAT THAT'S ONE POINT NUMBER TWO, IT'S Y'ALL'S MEETING TO USE A GOOD CRAVEN COUNTY PHRASE.
AND SHE ALWAYS ME, UM, AND YOU CONTROL HOW LONG A PERSON GETS TO ENGAGE WITH THE BUYER.
SO IF YOU DETERMINE THAT THE INFORMAL DESIGNER IS CAPPED AT 20 MINUTES, YOU CAN DO THAT.
YOU CAN DECIDE THAT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS, EACH, EACH INFORMAL DESIGNER, B PERSON GETS X NUMBER OF MINUTES.
ALSO BEAR IN MIND, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO STAFF.
SO THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT APPLICABILITY OF GUIDELINES, WHERE THE GUIDELINES ARE, WHAT A WINDOW IS.
THEY CAN CERTAINLY COME TO STAFF AND THE INDIVIDUALS THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND GET THE BENEFIT OF THOSE RESOURCES.
SO IT MAY BE IN THAT CONTEXT WHERE THERE'S A DEBATE ABOUT DOORS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR COMING STAFF IS RIGHT THERE TO GIVE YOU THE BUSINESS CARD.
THERE'S THIS THING CALLED GUIDELINES.
SO WE COULD KIND OF PUT ONE AND TWO IN THE FIRST CATEGORY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND WHEN COOK, IS THERE ANYTHING STOPPING US FROM A PERSON WHO WANTS TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA TO SAY TO THEM, YOU HAVE TO BRING US SOME INFORMATION AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME REFERENCE TO THE GUIDELINES.
IS THERE ANYTHING STOPPING US FROM, FROM GIVING THEM SOME GUIDANCE LIKE THAT? I DON'T THINK SO.
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AND PROCEDURES SAY AN APPLICANT CAN SHOW UP WITH ANYTHING AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN APPLICATION PENDING.UM, SO IF THAT'S THE TYPE ONE FOR, FOR INFORMAL DESIGN REVIEW, SO IF YOU'RE SAYING NOW APPLICANT OR POTENTIAL APPLICANT, YOU HAVE TO BRING US SOMETHING THAT WE MAY NEED TO CONSIDER CHANGING OUR RULES SO THAT IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR FOR ANYBODY.
AND WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? WE HAVE TO, TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO CHANGE THE, OH GOD NEGATORY.
WE, UH, WE CONTROL OUR OWN RULES OF PROCEDURE.
ARE YOU SURE THEY'RE NOT INCORPORATED INTO, UH, THEY WERE POWERED IN THE ORDINANCE.
THEY'RE EMPOWERED TO CREATE THEIR OWN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES SO WE CAN CHANGE.
WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE OLDER.
SO MATT COULD, COULD YOU WORK WITH OUR ESTEEMED ATTORNEY TO SEE, COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CHANGE? AND THEN WE WOULD JUST BRING THAT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD AT A FORMAL MEETING TO CHANGE IT, AND WE COULD VOTE ON IT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION.
THAT NEEDS TO BE DURING A NOTE, A MEETING REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OR A SPECIAL, OKAY.
SO IF, IF YOU TWO COULD WORK ON SOMETHING, UH, RELATED TO THAT AND BRING THAT BACK TO US, COULD YOU BRING IT BACK TO US AT DESIGN REVIEW FOR US TO DISCUSS, AND THEN WE WOULD, COULD GET IT KIND OF STRAIGHT TO BRING TO THIS BOARD TO BRING TO THIS MEETING.
I'M NOT ASKED TO VICE CHAIR, WANTS TO SAY, UH, I WAS GOING TO ASK A STAFF HAD A RECOMMENDED POLICY.
DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'D LIKE TO IMPLEMENT, TO HELP DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM? UH, YOU MEAN, UM, ALREADY? WELL, IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK THE PERSON WHO REALLY HAS TO DEAL WITH MOST OF THIS IS PROBABLY MATT.
AND IF HE'S GOT TO, RATHER THAN WAIT TWO WEEKS TO HEAR WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO, MAYBE HE ALREADY KNOWS.
SO, I MEAN, I HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF THE ISSUE OF PEOPLE, NOT REALLY KNOWING THE GUIDELINES AND COMING AND ARGUING AND, UH, UH, SO MUCH ABOUT THINGS THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
UM, BUT, UM, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT, UM, WE COULD, UH, JUST SIMPLY, UM, BE MORE HARD AND FAST ABOUT THE DEADLINES TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
AND THAT GIVES, UM, AT LEAST ENOUGH TIME FOR ALL OF US TO SEE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED.
SO WHETHER IT BE WITH, OR WITHOUT, UM, GUIDELINES ATTACHED TO IT.
BUT, UM, UH, SO I CAN SEE THAT, UH, WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY EVEN MORE RELEVANT.
WELL, I THINK IT, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE THEM MORE RESPONSIBLE WITH IT CUT DOWN THE CONVERSATION.
PEOPLE WOULD COME IN KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE TO KIND OF HAVE SOME.
AND SO, UM, JUST, UH, BECAUSE, UH, WHEN PEOPLE DO CONTACT ME AND ASK ME, YOU KNOW, I GET THE, I ESSENTIALLY GET THE, WALK-INS THE TYPE ONE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.
AND, UH, I CONSTANTLY, I EVEN HAVE ENTIRE SPRINTS FOR FENCES AND FOR GARAGES AND YOU, WHATEVER.
THEN I JUST COPY AND PASTE INTO AN EMAIL AND MODIFY, UH, FOR THEIR PARTICULAR CASE, LINKING TO THE GUIDELINES, ATTACHING THE GUIDELINES, ALL THE APPLICATION FORMS AND ALL THAT STUFF, UM, TO FACILITATE THAT, BUT THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN.
UH, IT CAN'T HAPPEN OR THE DAY OF THE MEETING, EVEN PERHAPS THREE DAYS BEFORE THE, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING, UM, PEOPLE WOULD RECEIVE THAT IN EXTRA WORK, ON IT, OVER THE WEEKEND.
UM, BUT, UM, SO, UH, SO THE IT'S THOSE LAST MINUTE ONES THAT HAVE THE WORST PROBLEM FOR US AND FOR THEM TO MAYBE THAT'S THE PART OF THEIR, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK I WAS COMING FROM WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE, UM, APPLICANTS, JUST NO MORE APPLICATIONS AFTER MONDAY AT NOON PERIOD OR A FRIDAY OR FRIDAY AT FIVE.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE OTHER THING MA'AM YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE COULD KIND OF IN OUR MINDS A LOT, I'M JUST GOING TO USE THIS 20 MINUTES.
AND IF SOMETHING'S NOT CLEAR AT THE END OF THAT TIME, WE COULD ASK THAT PERSON TO MEET WITH STAFF.
YOU COULD ALSO CONSIDER PUBLISHING IT ON THE AGENDA FOR AN INFORMAL DESIGN REVIEW.
THAT WAY, IF YOU HAVE 10 PEOPLE WHO
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HAVE MET THE DEADLINE FOR COMING TO INFORMAL DESIGN REVIEW, YOU DON'T HAVE 10 APPLICANTS STACKED UP IN THE HALLWAY AT THE SAME TIME.NOW YOU MAY DECIDE THAT THAT CREATES MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT DOES SOLUTIONS, AND THEN YOU DON'T DO THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST AN IDEA.
SO, SO WHAT WE WOULD FIRST HAVE TO GET A KIND OF EMOTION TOGETHER ABOUT THIS, TO CHANGE THIS AND VOTE ON IT IN THIS MEETING IN AMY.
IF YOU WANT TO DO IT TODAY, YOU CAN DO IT TODAY.
IF YOU'D TO TAKE IT UP AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, YOU CAN DO IT AGAIN.
WELL, DO WE NEED TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME MATT, TO KIND OF PUT SOME CLEAR WORDS TO IT ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE MOST USEFUL TO YOU? I CAN KEEP IT BECAUSE YOU WERE SAYING LIKE MONDAY MORNING, AND YOU SAID LIKE FRIDAY AFTERNOON, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT EVEN MEETING IN DECEMBER, SO THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE.
WE'RE NOT EVEN HAVING ANY MEETINGS.
SO THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO PUT SOME VERBIAGE TO IT THAT PERHAPS YOU COULD SEND TO ALL OF US TO LOOK AT BEFORE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING IN JANUARY.
AND THEN, YEAH, WE'VE GOT SOME TIME TO WORK TOGETHER TO IF WE, IF WE FEEL LIKE THE POLICY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO ADD THAT SECOND TIER.
BUT THE, UM, UH, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GET A FEELING FROM YOU GUYS IF I SHOULD THINK ABOUT, UM, OR WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT CHANGING OR ADDING A DEADLINE, THE DEADLINE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YES OR NOT.
AND IF, IF IT'S A FRIDAY, UM, SAY NOONISH OR SOMETHING, UH, THEN PEOPLE NOT JUST NOT WHILE YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE OPTION OR THE OPPORTUNITY IN MOST CASES TO LOOK AT THEM OVER THE WEEKEND.
UM, NOW MOST OF THE PROJECTS WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE TWO LINED UP FOR THE THREE LINED UP FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING IN JANUARY.
SO THERE'S SOME ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE, UM, PUT OUT THERE FOR YOU GUYS WAY IN ADVANCE.
UM, IT'S THESE LAST MINUTE ONES THAT COME IN AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST TURNING IT IN WHEN THEY TURN IT IN AND THEY DON'T REALIZE, OH, TOMORROW'S MEETING OR OH, UH, NEXT WEEK IS THE MEETING.
SO, UM, COULD IT BE ON OCCASION IF WE LIKE THOSE EARLY MEETINGS THAT WE HAD THIS THE PAST FEW MONTHS WHERE WE HARDLY HAD ANY APPLICANTS? I MEAN, IN THOSE SITUATIONS, IF YOU HAVE LAST MINUTE APPLICATION, I COULD SEE FITTING SOMEBODY IN.
SO IF WE PUT A RULE IN THERE, WOULD IT ELIMINATE US BEING ABLE TO DO THAT? CAUSE WE BREAKING OUR OWN RULE.
IT DOESN'T GIVE US FLEXIBILITY.
THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE ABOUT A DEADLINE.
BUT, BUT I THINK WE GET TO A POINT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S EIGHT TO 10 PEOPLE, THAT'S GONNA PUT US INTO 10 O'CLOCK, YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT.
AND WE ALL HAVE TO KNOW THAT AND PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BREAK AROUND NINE.
SO CAUSE YOU CAN'T GET UP AND LEAVE BECAUSE YOU KEEP THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING AND THEY'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION.
WELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE DESIGNED WITH YOU BECAUSE THERE'S NO SET DESIGNER.
YOU AND WE ALREADY HAVE ONE DEADLINE.
SO PUTTING ENOUGH, PUTTING ANOTHER ONE FOR THAT OTHER TIER, AND THERE IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT.
BUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF IT GETS TOO LONG AND DESIGN REVIEW, YOU CAN ALWAYS GET UP.
THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THAT'S.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU ALL COULD GET TOGETHER AND PROVIDE A, SOME VERBIAGE THAT WOULD HELP MATT AND GET THINGS TOGETHER, PEOPLE GET IT IN SOONER, EVERYBODY ON THE COMMISSION CAN HAVE THE INFORMATION SOONER.
WE WILL LOOK AT USING 20 MINUTES, APPROXIMATELY 20 MINUTES AND I'LL, I'LL ATTEND TO THAT AND I'LL WATCH MY WATCH OR WHEN IT GETS CLOSE TO THAT, I'LL SHUT IT RIGHT ON DOWN.
SO WE'D GET TO THE OTHER PERSON AND, UH, WE'LL HELP THAT GO GO QUICKER.
BUT, AND YET PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND THEN WE ALWAYS HAVE STAFF THAT WE CAN SEND THEM TO, WE'LL GET A PLAN TOGETHER.
WE'LL LOOK AT THAT DESIGN REVIEW IN JANUARY, RIGHT.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF FRIDAY NOON BEFORE THE WEDNESDAY.
AND THAT GIVES MATT MORE TIME.
CAUSE MATT NEEDS TIME FOR THAT.
AND WE NEED TIME TO, IT HELPS US TO HAVE TIME AS WELL.
AND IT DOESN'T SHUT SOMEBODY FROM JUST WALKING OFF THE STREET CAUSE WE DO NEED TO BE FRIENDLY AND SERVE THE PUBLIC.
SO WE, UM, JUST OCCURRED TO ME ALSO.
WE ALSO DO, UM, ALWAYS ALLOW AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE, UH, EVEN IT WASN'T TRADITIONAL, UM, WE ALLOW CHANGES AT ANY POINT.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO COMES UP AND SAYS, YEAH, I'LL
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BE GLAD TO CHANGE MY BRICK FROM PAINTED TO WHITE BRICK.UM, UH, AND SO JUST YESTERDAY I GOT ALL THE CHANGES FOR ALL THE PROJECTS TODAY CAME IN YESTERDAY AND I HAD TO RE UH, REISSUE, BASICALLY THE PACKET.
UH, YOU ALL MUST HAVE GOTTEN THE EMAIL FOR DROPBOX FOR THAT, UM, NEW APPLICATIONS.
UM, SO, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY WERE JUST MINOR, MINOR MODIFICATIONS COMPARED TO THE ENTIRE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, BUT AT THE DESIGN REVIEW, THAT CAN HAPPEN TOO.
SO JUST, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, IT MAY TURN OUT THE DEADLINES AREN'T ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN THING IS IF SOMEONE SHOWS UP AND THEY WANT TO DISCUSS WINDOWS SPECIFICALLY, AND I GET WHAT THE PORTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS VERY ANIMATED BECAUSE SHE WAS FACING A LOT OF MONEY.
TRUST ME ON THAT OLD HOUSE TOO.
BUT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE ASKS YOU A QUESTION, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE GUIDELINES YET? I SAID, NO.
AFTER WE'D ALREADY HAD THIS DISCUSSION, I JUST WANT TO COME OVER THERE AND JUST KILL HER.
IT'S GOT TO BE TIGHT HYPOTHETICAL.
I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE REALLY? AND SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE, FOR ME THAT'S FRUSTRATING THE MOST, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DIDN'T MEAN IT THE WAY I SAID IT.
WELL THAT SAYS YOU HAVE NOT TAUGHT THAT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF ELIMINATE TYPE STUFF.
[8.A. Report on CoAs Issued 10/12/2021 – 11/10/2021]
TO NUMBER EIGHT, THE ADMINISTRATORS WITH FOUR, THIS IS A C, C O H ISSUED MY HONOR, MEN LOADS MINORS THERE, UH, THERE'S NONE, UH, ITEMS ON IMB EIGHT[8.C. Other Items and Updates]
UNDER C OTHER ITEMS, AND THEN UPDATES MY UPDATE ON THE AWARDS GROUP IS THAT, UM, I AM TOMORROW, UH, TALKING WITH THE, UH, LADY WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND, UH, GETTING A NAME FROM HER.WHO'S GOING TO BE IN OUR WORK GROUP.
I'VE ALREADY GOT SOMEBODY FROM THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION.
SO WE JUST NEED THIS ONE OTHER PERSON AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING.
SO, UH, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS ON THAT.
ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT ANYONE HAS? OKAY.
[9. Commissioners’ Comments]
DOES ANYONE WANT TO BRING UP ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS DAY? OKAY.DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF STUFF.