Jan 11, 2022 Board of Aldermen

THAT WE HAVE PETITIONS AND CITIZENS.

IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THE AGENDA? ANY CHANGES BEFORE WE GET GOING? I UNDERSTAND

[3. Request and Petition of Citizens.]

UM, OUR FIRST PETITION TONIGHT WILL BE EDWARD VARGAS.

YOU'VE GOT, COME FORWARD.

GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

UM, EDWARD VARGAS FROM ONE 19 RANDOM WOOD LANE IN NEW BERN, NORTH CAROLINA.

GOOD EVENING BOARD AND MAYOR.

I'M COMING TO YOU BECAUSE I WATCHED TO MY DISMAY ON TV, NEW YEAR'S EVE IN DOWNTOWN NEWBURN WITH 5,000 PEOPLE IN WARM WEATHER, NOT MASKS, NO SOCIAL DISTANCING OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, 44% OF PEOPLE IN CRAVEN COUNTY ARE NOT VACCINATED OUT OF 102,000, 139 POPULATION IN CRAVEN COUNTY.

THAT'S 49,000 PEOPLE OUT OF 102,000 AND NOT VACCINATED.

THE 56% WHO DECIDED TO GET VACCINATED.

THAT'S 57,000 OF A HUNDRED AND TWO, ONE THIRTY NINE IN LOVELY DOWNTOWN NEWBURN WITH THEIR POPULATION OF 29, 8 75, 40 4% OF THE PEOPLE ARE NOT VACCINATED, WHICH IS 13,000 1 43 OF 29,000 8, 75 AND OF THE 56 OUT OF THE 56% THAT ARE VACCINATED 16,007 30 OF 29, 8 75.

I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WANT TO HAVE EVERYTHING DOWNTOWN HUNKY, DORY MAKING REVENUE.

BUT I WOULD THINK THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS WOULD HAVE CONTACTED THE CRAVEN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR AND ASKED GUIDANCE ON MASKS, SOCIAL DISTANCING, BECAUSE I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS IN MY YEARS OF BEING IN THE NAVY AS A HOSPITAL, CORPSMAN MASKS AND VACCINES WORK.

AND IT, IT REALLY SURPRISED ME THAT YOU KNOW, NOTHING AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAME UP.

AND WHEN I SPOKE TO ABOUT THIS AT THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING MY SAME INFORMATION, THERE WAS PEOPLE THERE, AND THIS MAY HAVE GOING, I SHOULD GET VACCINATED.

I SHOULDN'T GET VACCINATED.

I KNOW IT'S FREE WILLINGNESS COUNTRY.

YOU WEAR A MASK OR NOT THE MASS SAVE LIVES.

THEY DID A STUDY ON THE THEODORE ROOSEVELT AIRCRAFT CARRIER, WHICH IS A CBN AIRCRAFT CARRIER WITH 5,000 PEOPLE.

70% OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORE MASKS DIDN'T GET VACCINATED AND WERE SAFE, THE OTHER 30% VACCINATE OR NOT, THEY GOT SICK.

SO I WAS JUST IN THE FUTURE.

IF THERE'S A LARGE GATHERING IN DOWNTOWN, EITHER I SEE ON THE AGENDA HERE IS A GATHERING AT GANT FOR MARDI GRAS.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONTACTED WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO SAY, HEY, MASTER OPTIONAL, MANDATORY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE NOBODY GET SICK.

CAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GET VACCINATED IN CRAVEN COUNTY AND DON'T HAVE HEALTHCARE BENEFITS, THEY HEARD PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE THAT PAY MORE WHEN THEY RUN UP A BILL AT A HOSPITAL FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT DON'T HAVE INSURANCE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

OUR NEXT PETITION IS ELIZABETH LANE.

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GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS ELIZABETH LANE.

I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS ABOUT A TRAFFIC HAZARD AND A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, UM, ENTERING THE MALL PARKING LOT AT THE CHICK-FIL-A RESTAURANT, UM, HAS A TERRIBLE TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION PROBLEM.

I WON'T DRIVE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF TWO NEAR MISS ACCIDENTS.

UM, BECAUSE OF THE ABRUPT STOPS AT THE INTERSECTION AT THIS INTERSECTION DUE TO CARS INSISTING ON TURNING INTO THE CHICK-FIL-A RESTAURANT.

I EVER REPORTED THREE TIMES TO THE NEWBORN POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND WAS TOLD QUOTE ON QUOTE, THIS IS NOT OUR PROBLEM CHICK-FIL-A AND THE MALL WERE FORMED SEVERAL TIMES AS TO THIS ISSUE.

THE MALL WAS INFORMED AND ASK IF THEY COULD ASSIST OR ACCOMMODATE THE NEED TO HELP CONTROL THE POPULAR, UH, CONTROL THE TRAFFIC, UH, SITU ISSUE.

CHICK-FIL-A COMMENTED TO A NEW-BORN OFFICER POLICE OFFICER THAT IT WAS TOO COLD TO BE OUTSIDE THAT LONG AFTER I CLARIFIED TO THE OFFICER THAT MLK BOULEVARD IS A PUBLIC AND CITY STREET.

IT IS THEIR CONCERN BECAUSE IT IS A TRAFFIC HAZARD AND A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, AND YET NOTHING IS BEING DONE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT RESOLVED BEFORE AN ACCIDENT OCCURS AND THEN RESOLVE IT.

AND I'VE GIVEN, I TOOK A LITTLE TIME TO KIND OF EXPLAIN THE SITUATION.

UM, IT'S ALL IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, WESTBOUND ON MLK TRAFFIC PULLS INTO A TURN LANE DESIGNATED TO PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT INTO THE MALL, PARKING LOT, COMING FROM EASTBOUND, TURNING INTO THE BALL PARKING LOT.

THEY'RE RUSHING TO GET AHEAD.

THEY'RE RUSHING IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, WHICH BLOCKS THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC ON A GREEN LIGHT, WHICH THEY HAD A GREEN LIGHT TO TURN.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE GREEN LIGHT TO PASS THROUGH.

AND IT'S JUST A CLUSTER OF CARS GATHERING UP IN THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE, THAT'S CAUSING THE CONGESTION.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE HAD TWO NEAR MISSES AND THEY BOTH BEEN QUITE DISTURBING TO ME AND DID NOT GET THE RESPECT OF A CITIZEN FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REALLY HURT ME THAT IT'S NOT URGENT ENOUGH OR BECAUSE THERE'S NOT BEEN AN ACCIDENT SINCE, OR I DON'T KNOW OF AN ACCIDENT SINCE CHICK-FIL-A HAS BEEN OPEN.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO SEE AN ACCIDENT TO PROVE MY POINT.

SO THAT'S THE ISSUE I'M HERE FOR.

AND BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN NOWHERE WITH THE, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WITH CHICK-FILET, THEN I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.

SO I JUST WANT HIM TO COME EXPRESS MY OPINION.

UH MALCOLM'S THAT PARCEL? YES, SIR.

UM, BELT BELT DEPARTMENT STORE ACTUALLY OWNS THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE MALL.

THE MALL PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T EVEN OWN THAT.

HOWEVER, UM, IT, MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY AND THE MALL HAS PLANS TO EXTEND THAT ENTRANCE INTO THE MALL TO REWORK THE PARKING LOT.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED.

JEFF, I'M GOING TO SAY WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, SO IT'S, IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT I'VE HAD FOR EIGHT YEARS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AND WITH COVID AND THEN CLOSING THE INSIDE DINING OF THE RESTAURANT AND ONLY GOING THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH, THAT'S JUST REALLY EXASPERATED THE PROBLEM, BUT WE'VE HAD, I'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THEM ALL OWNERSHIP, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW DURING THAT MEETING THAT THEY DIDN'T OWN THE INTEREST OF THE MALL.

UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE JURISDICTION AND WHO HAS POWER TO DO THINGS, UM, IT IS A DOD HIGHWAY TO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE JURISDICTION OR AUTHORITY TO CLOSE THAT MAIN ENTRANCE.

UH, WE HAVE SOME INFLUENCE AND WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THAT BEING A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY, BUT THERE, THERE ARE PLANS IN PLACE.

AND I THINK THEY'RE CLOSE CERTAINLY CLOSER NOW THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS OF GETTING THE PROBLEM RECTIFIED.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIXED TOMORROW.

UM, BUT IT IS IN THE WORKS AND THERE IS A LOT OF WORK GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES TO MAKE SURE, WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERNS.

AND I KNOW OUR MO HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CHIEF AND OTHERS ON THIS, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME RESOLVE IN THE FUTURE.

I THINK WE'VE ALL COMPLAINED ON NOAH THAT I HAVE MADE SEVERAL CONCERNS TO ALDERMAN ODOM.

IT'S NOT MY BOARD, BUT, UM, I DO HAVE BEEN THERE AND ALMOST KILLED CON TRYING TO GET IN THERE AND BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO BACKED UP, YOU CAN'T GET AROUND IT.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ON MLK.

SOMEBODY GOING TO BE GOING SO FAST.

THEY'RE GOING TO WIPE INTO THE BACK OF SOMEBODY THAT'S WAITING IN LINE TO TURN INTO THAT ENTRANCE.

SO, UM, I KNOW THAT HE'S BEEN WORKING ON IT AND HOPEFULLY I BELIEVE THIS BOARD'S SOLIDLY BEHIND GETTING SOMETHING DONE OVER THERE, SO YOU'RE NOT FALLING ON DEAF EARS.

GREAT.

GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

VERY THANK YOU FOR COMING UP.

OUR NEXT PETITIONER'S EMMANUEL RULE IS IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP,

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MY NAME IS EMMANUEL RUIZ.

I LET THREE 19 D GRID CIRCLE.

IT IS AN HONOR TO BE HERE.

MY FOLKS, AND I JUST MOVED BACK INTO TOWN AFTER HAVING A LONG EXODUS IN VIRGINIA FIND BEING ABLE TO COME BACK TO NEW BERN.

I JUST HAD TWO BIG THINGS THAT I LIKE TO BRING UP TO THE COUNCIL.

FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO MAYOR.

ALLY HAD A PLEASURE SPEAKING WITH HIM EARLIER, GETTING TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE TOWN, LEARN HOW MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT LEARN AS A POLY SIZED STUDENT.

THAT WAS VERY ENVIRONMENT MAJOR WITH LEFT.

UH, BUT FIRST OF ALL, DOWNTOWN, I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WALKING DOWN, UH, DOWN THERE ABOUT A MONTH.

I'M OUT HERE JUST BEING ABLE TO SPEND TIME LEARNING AND KNOWING MY HOMETOWN.

AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SPOT BACK YOUR HAND, BUT SOME CROSSWALKS IN SOME CERTAIN AREAS WOULD BE GREAT.

CAUSE I'M REALLY BEEN RUN OVER A COUPLE OF TIMES TRYING TO GET HERE AND THEY'RE GETTING OUT OF BAKER'S KITCHEN.

OTHERWISE LIKE I LIKE BEING ALIVE HAVE IT'S PRETTY GOOD RATING ALL THE REST, BUT JUST BEING ABLE A LITTLE EASIER TRANSPORTATION YIELD FOR PEDESTRIANS SEVEN, THE LITTLE BUTTON YOU CAN HIT SAY JUST WAIT HERE A LITTLE MINT, LIKE YOU SEE IN OTHER TOWNS, WE ONLY HAVE ONE OF THOSE.

I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON SOME MORE, BUT IT'S BEING ABLE TO EXPEDITE THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE AS LUXURIOUS AS YOU SEE IN BIGGER CITIES, BUT JUST A SYMBOL LITTLE BUTTON RIGHT THERE.

THE LIGHT THAT SECONDLY, ABOUT 8% OF OUR POPULATION IS HISPANIC.

IF WE WANT TO CORRELATE THAT TO SPANISH SPEAKING, WE CAN PROBABLY SAY ABOUT 7% OF OUR POPULATION SPEAKS SPANISH.

THE NUMBER IS BOUND TO INCREASE AS OUR STICK TO NEEDS ARE GROWING POPULATION, INCREASING RESOURCES INTO THIS COMMUNITY, BOTH IN HAVING A POINT OF CONTACT AND NEW PEOPLE COMING IN AND HAVING CITY RESOURCES BE IN THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGES.

SPANISH WOULD BE INCREDIBLE.

EASE FOR THEM.

MY FOLKS ARE PRIMARILY SPANISH SPEAKING, BOTH ME AND MY SISTER WHO IS GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL LATER ON THIS YEAR HAVE HAD TO TRANSLATE MULTIPLE DOCUMENTS FOR THEM AND WALK THEM THROUGH THINGS.

SO WE'RE BOTH DOCTORS, LAWYERS AND ALL THE REST JUST HAPPENED TO BE THAT HOW TO TRANSLATE DOCUMENTS FOR OUR HAVING A POINT OF CONTACT HERE AT THE OFFICE, WHETHER THAT BE AT THE CITY OR COUNTY COUNTY LEVEL, HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN SPEAK THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE WOULD EXPEDITE AND MAYBE EVEN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM HISPANIC COMMUNITY TO START MOVING IN AND JUST BRING IN THEIR HARDWORKING VALUES AND THEIR RELIGIOUS SIDES AND ALL THE REST THAT HAVE PAID THEIR OTHER AREAS, WHETHER THAT BE SOUTHERN TEXAS OR THEIR HOME COUNTRIES DOWN FOR MY FOLKS, FROM COLUMBIA, BEING ABLE TO HAVE THOSE VALUES BROUGHT IN HERE AND BE ABLE TO PUT AND HELP OUT OUR ECONOMY IN OUR TOWN.

HEY GREG, CAN I ASK THE QUESTION? YEAH.

DO WE PROVIDE EITHER IN HR OR, UM, ANYWHERE DOCUMENTS AND IN SPANISH? I WOULD THINK, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE, WE HAD TO BY LAW PROVIDE THAT IF ACT, IF REQUESTED.

I WASN'T SURE.

NOT BE A BAD THING.

I'D ACTUALLY ASKED.

FOSTER CAN VOUCH FOR THIS.

I ASKED HIM ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER THE 29TH, DO WE HAVE ANY BILINGUAL, SPANISH SPEAKING EMPLOYEES THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT? AND WE DO HAVE SEVERAL THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT.

SO IT'S SOMETHING I KNOW FOSTER WAS GOING TO WORK ON TRYING TO PUT SOME RESOURCES TOGETHER TO GET THAT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO YOU WOULD KNOW WHO TO CONTACT FROM THAT GREAT SUGGESTION.

MAYBE WE'LL GET HIM.

WE'RE GOING TO ENLIST YOU TO VOLUNTEER AND DO THAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST SUGGESTION.

SECOND SUGGESTION IS TO SIGN UP FOR THE NEWBURGH 1 0 1 CLASS.

THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN FEBRUARY, WHERE YOU LEARN ABOUT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.

AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR YOU AND MAYBE EVEN SPUR ON SOME VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES, AGAIN FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT YOUR COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY COULD LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR, OUR GOVERNMENT AND HELP, HELP US TO TRANSLATE THINGS.

AND THERE'S PROBABLY A FUTURE FOR YOU WHEN YOU GET YOUR DEGREE DOWN IN FLORIDA AND COMING UP HERE TO THE NEIGHBOR AND SAY, YOU'RE HITTING BACK DOWN TO FLORIDA NOW FOR A YEAR.

ABOUT TWO WEEKS GOT LEFT HERE AND THEN BACK TO THE GROUND OF THINGS.

WE'LL STAY IN TOUCH, COME BACK AND SEE US WHEN GEORGIA AVENUE TODAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

OF THE ETJ AS REQUESTED BY THE BOARD.

ANY OTHER PETITIONS AT THIS TIME SEEMED ON THIS.

GO TO THE CONSENT

[Consent Agenda]

AGENDA.

MARIJUANA, MAKE A MOTION MOTION.

WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA MOTION IN A SECOND.

IS THERE DISCUSSION SAYING THAT ALL IN FAVOR MOTION SAY, UH, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL.

IS THAT CORRECT? LET'S GO TO THE DISCUSSION

[7. Discussion of Extraterritorial Jurisdiction.]

THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO START THIS DISCUSSION AND, UH, WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME, UH, IMAGES THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE AS WELL MAY HAVE HAMS THE BOARD WHILE THEY QUEUE UP SOME, SOME MAPS FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THEM.

YOU'D ASKED, UM, THE PROCESS TO ESTABLISH, UM, YOU TJ AND POTENTIALLY TO RELINQUISH TJ STATUTE TELLS US HOW TO DO IT.

UM, WHEN WE ESTABLISH IT, STATUTE TELLS US THAT WE CAN RELINQUISH IT.

DOESN'T TELL US HOW TO RELINQUISH.

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SO, UM, WHICH IS NOT TERRIBLY UNCOMMON WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

I TEND TO, UM, FOLLOW THE REVERSE PROCESS, UM, THAT WAS USED TO ESTABLISH IT AND TO ESTABLISH ANY TJ YOU GET NOTICED, UM, FOR 30 DAYS, BOTH, UM, IN THE PRESS AND DIRECTLY TO AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS, YOU CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RELINQUISHING PIECE.

WE KNOW THAT, UM, THE RELINQUISHMENT AFTER THE NOTICE, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, WILL BE EFFECTIVE THE SOONER OF 60 DAYS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR IF THE COUNTY CHOOSES TO TAKE OVER ANY, ANY LAND USE REGULATION IN THAT PRIOR AREA.

SO THE SHORT VERSION IS YOU CAN CREATE MORE.

YOU CAN REMOVE WHAT WE HAVE, YOU CAN REMOVE ALL OR A PORTION OF WHAT WE HAVE.

UM, TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN RELINQUISHING, ETJ AREAS, STAFF JUST NEEDS SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU AS TO WHICH AREAS INTEREST YOU FROM THERE.

WE CAN TAKE OVER WITH THE, UH, PROCESS.

YES, YOU HAVE THE, LET'S SAY THAT WE DISSOLVE THE ETJ ON THE WESTERN END OF TOWN, HIGHWAY 17.

LET'S SAY THAT RIVER BAND, IF THEY COULD PICK IT BACK UP AND HAD, AND TOOK OVER OUR ATJ, LET'S SAY THEN THAT A UNDER RIVER BENZIE TJ, THAT THEY VOTED TO REF, UH, SOMETHING TRANSFER FROM OUR CELLMATE TO, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT WAY, THE BIG DEAL IS THE SEWER SEWER WOULD BE THE CITY NEWBURN WOULD LEGALLY THE TOWN RIVER BEEN RELEASED THAT PORTION OF THE ETJ IF THE CITY NEWBORNS TO PROVIDE IT.

BUT ONE OF THE, UM, PROVISIONS OF THAT WAS THAT THE AFRICA ASKED FOR THE CITY, THEY WERE THE SERVICE WITH SEWER AND BOUT BY MEANS OF THAT.

THEY WANT TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

VERY SIMILAR TO BRIDGESTONE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN GET AN ANSWER FROM YOU ON THAT.

THERE'S NOT ACCOUNT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS OF THAT QUESTION.

WELL, YOU HAVEN'T SNOW.

I'M SAYING YOU'D HAVE TO GET A RELEASE FROM THE ETJ PORTION OF RIVER VAN.

IF RIVER BIN PICKED IT BACK UP, I CAN BREAK THAT DOWN FOR YOU.

UM, MAYBE THE SMALLER PIECES THAT I CAN'T ANSWER, UM, RIVERBED CITIES LARGER THAN 25,000 PEOPLE, UM, HAVING ETJ POTENTIAL JURISDICTION OF UP TO THREE MILES FROM THEIR CITY BOUNDARIES.

IF YOU ARE LESS THAN 10,000, YOU'VE GOT A ONE MILE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR FROM THE RIVERBEND PROPER THIS CORRIDOR LIES, BUT TO THE EXTENT IT WAS WITHIN ONE MILE, THEN RIVER BIN COULD IMPOSE AN ETJ LIKE THEY WANTED TO.

THERE MAY WELL BE A GAP.

I JUST DON'T KNOW FROM THE MAP WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT LIES.

UM, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR TOO, WHEN YOU RELINQUISHED THE ETJ IMPLICITLY, THERE IS NO MORE ZONING.

THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IT'S, YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE BACK TO BEING IN THE COUNTY.

SO ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS ARE SUBJECT TO THE COUNTY RULES AND REGULATIONS, UM, UH, PLANNING, DEPARTMENT INSPECTIONS, ET CETERA.

UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING.

THERE WOULDN'T BE A PRIOR RESIDENTIAL OR A PRIOR COMMERCIAL.

IT WOULD BE NOTHING BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SIGN.

UM, SCOTT SO HEAVILY EXERCISED ALL OF OUR ETJ ABILITIES, YOU KNOW, SO HAVE WE GONE UP THREE MILES ON ALL OF OUR, NO, MA'AM THIS, THIS MAP, YOUR QUESTION IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS, UM, UNDERSTAND ETJ TO MEAN THAT THE STATUTE GIVES YOU THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE IT.

AND YOU DO.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.

THE STATUTE SAYS YOU, YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT TO A POINT NO FURTHER THAN THREE MILES AND REGULATE ALL OR ANY PORTION YOU WANT, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO REGULATE IT.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE WITHIN THREE MILES, YOU ARE SUBJECT TO ALL OF THE NEWBURN ZONING AND LAND USE RULES, RIGHT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE TO EXTEND ON DOWN.

NOTICE YOU HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, RIGHT? AND YOU CAN PICK CORRIDORS.

I SAID, YOU CAN PICK THE WHOLE PIE.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT.

NO, MAN, ALL WE'VE DONE ARE THE PURPLE AREAS ON THIS MAP.

AND I DO SEE THAT.

THAT'S GREAT.

WELL, THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT SOMEWHAT DISSOLVED BTJ, UM, PROVIDES

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FOR ORDERLY GROWTH.

THAT WAS THE IDEA OF WHEN ETJ CAME ABOUT.

SO NOW THE, THE MARKET ITSELF IS GOING TO DETERMINE THE GROWTH.

UM, IN SOME AREAS OF THE ATJ ON THE WESTERN END, THE GROWTH IS GOING TO BE DECIDED BY THE MAXIMAL USE OR THE PROPERTY THAT IN ITSELF IS GOING TO PROVIDE A HIGHER, BETTER USE SOME OTHER AREAS OF THAT.

UM, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE THE CASE.

UM, BUT THAT'S A GREAT SEGUE.

THE, THE, THE THEORY BEHIND ETJ DECADES AGO WAS THAT IT WAS THE FIRST WAVE OF REGULATION TO BE FOLLOWED BY AN ANNEXATION.

SO YOU GOT FOLKS USED TO IT OVER A DECADE OR TWO.

AND THEN AS, AS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT GREW, YOU WOULD FOLLOW YOUR ETJ WITH AN ANNEXATION AND KEEP GROWING OUT SO THAT, UM, FOLKS HAD A CHANCE TO ADAPT TO THE NEW RULES.

BUT, UM, CERTAINLY NORTH CAROLINA ACROSS THE SOUTH ANNEXATIONS, UM, ARE GENERALLY UNPOPULAR.

UM, AND NEWBURN.

THE LAST ONE I CAN RECALL WAS AROUND 1992.

UM, IT'S NOT BEEN THE POLICY, BUT HE BOUGHT I'VE REPRESENTED, UM, TO, TO FORCIBLY ANNEX ANYONE.

UM, WE DO A LOT OF VOLUNTARY, BUT NOT FORCIBLY.

SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME IN BEHIND THAT ETJ WITH AN ANNEXATION, WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE A LANDMASS THAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATING WITH ALL OF THE CITY RESOURCES.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY STAFF INSPECTIONS, ALL THOSE RESOURCES GO INTO THIS AREA TO REGULATE IT.

AND IT'S NOT A TAX BASE.

AND IT MOST LIKELY NEVER WILL BE BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T AN EXIT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SUBJECT TO THESE TAXES, BUT SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD OR, UH, A SINGLE PROPERTY COULD COME TO US AND SAY, WE WANT TO BE AN, AND THEY DON'T.

MA'AM WITH AN ASTERISK.

THERE'S SOME CONTIGUOUS, THERE ARE RULES ABOUT ANNEXATIONS, BUT GENERALLY YES, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE IN AN ETJ TO BE NO, MA'AM GREAT QUESTION.

NO.

OH, AND SCOTT, ON THE MAP, THE BIG PURPLE MASS THAT YOU SEE REALLY ANYTHING NORTH OF CRAYBURN FARCE, THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT ALL ALONG THE 70 CORRIDOR, ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IS GOING TO REQUIRE CITY UTILITY.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ASKED TO BE ANNEX, CORRECT? YES.

SO IT REALLY, THE MAP IS I KNOW THE MAP IS WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BIG OF AN AREA BECAUSE WHEN ALL THAT GETS DEVELOPED, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE CITY REGARDLESS, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE OUR SERVICES.

SCOTT SEVEN 70 EASTBOUND ETJ JUST ON THE FIRST LOT FACT ON EACH, ON THE HIGHWAY THERE DIDN'T WE DO THAT TO, SO I HAD THAT RECOLLECTION, BUT WHEN I SAW ALICE'S MAP, UM, IT, THE CORRIDOR WAS NOT AS, AS, AS IF IT STOPS JUST ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

I HAD IN MY MIND THAT THE CORRIDOR RAN SOUTH DOWN HIGHWAY 70 TOWARD HAVELOCK.

AND I KNOW THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS, THERE WERE HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSIONS AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WE NEVER CARRIED THAT OUT AND THAT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, BUT WE DID CROSS OVER TO BRIDGE POINTS AND I BELIEVE IT IS INCLUDED THE OUTBACK.

ALICE.

I THINK THE OUTBACK IS AS FAR.

THE TOWNHOUSES AND OUTBACK, AS FAR AS WE WENT, WE NEVER WENT DOWN THE CORRIDOR.

SO SCOTT, SO THE DISTANCE IS REALLY NOT THAT LONG.

WHAT? I JUST HEARD THAT IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO THREE MILES.

SO IT'S A VERY SHORT DISTANCE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, THAT'S COMPLICATED TO ME BECAUSE HERE YOU'RE COMING UP SAYING THAT, UH, A PERSON BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY COME IN AND SAY, THEY WANT TO DO THIS AND DO THAT TO IT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER PERSON SAYING, WELL, THIS HE IS ON MY PROPERTY LINE.

AND SO WE, THAT BEING SAID WITH, COULD THAT PERSON THERE FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE SAYING, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

COULD THEY DO THAT? GENERALLY THE GENERAL RULE IS IF A PARCEL IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY, UM, AND ACROSS THE STREET COUNTS, THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS, BUT GENERALLY CONTIGUOUS, THEN YOU, UM, THEY CAN ALWAYS ASK AND THE CITY CAN ALWAYS CONSIDER IT JUST BECAUSE YOU ASKED DOESN'T MEAN YOU AS A BOARD SAY YES, BUT THEY CAN'T ASK.

AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE ISLANDS AND THERE'S SOME MATH TO THE ISLANDS, BUT YOU GENERALLY DON'T HAVE ROAMING ISLANDS THAT ARE NOT CONTIGUOUS

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TO THE CITY.

WELL, THE WHOLE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HERE DISCUSSING THIS IS ABOUT, LET'S SAY AGAIN TO MY HYPOTHETICAL, THERE'S NO ETJ PROPERTY.

A PERSON BUYS IT.

THEY WON'T PUT A COMMERCIAL IMPROVEMENT ON IT.

PROPERTY B ADJOINING, THE PERSON WANTS TO BUY A HOUSE ON IT.

NOW IS THE ZONING BOARD AND CITY NEWBURN, OR IS THE STAFF WILL RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD THAT WHEN THEY WANT THE SEWER, THAT PART OF THE REQUEST TO THE ANNEX, INTO THE CITY, NEWBURN, ARE YOU GOING TO PUT UP COMMERCIAL ZONING ON THE FIRST ONE AND A RESIDENTIAL AND A SAC ONE? ARE YOU GOING TO BE CONSISTENT AND NOT DO SPOT ZONING? YES, SIR.

THAT'S I SEE YOUR QUESTION NOW.

UM, I PREFER THAT WHEN THIS BOARD APPROVES AN ANNEXATION, THAT IT ALSO APPROVES THE ZONING AT THE SAME TIME.

I JUST PREFER THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN DELAY THE ZONING, BUT I LIKE TO DO IT AS A PACKAGE SO THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION.

UM, EITHER BETWEEN THIS BOARD AND THE, OR THE PROPERTY OWNER.

SO WHAT'S THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE 20 YEARS ARE ON OUR 10 AND C3 OUR 10 IN OUR 10 C3.

HOW HOW'S THAT GOING AT THE SAME BURDEN THAT YOU ALWAYS DO WHEN YOU DEAL WITH ZONING REQUESTS? NOW IN THAT CORRIDOR IS THE SAME, THE SAME ANALYSIS.

SO A PERSON BUILDS A HOME.

ARE YOU HAVE THE C3 ON IT FOR CONSISTENCY? IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON? THAT'S GOING TO BE THE QUESTION THAT I'LL PITCH BACK TO YOU IF THE TIME COMES.

BUT YES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE.

IF YOU, IF YOU, IN FACT, ANNEX THE PROPERTY.

AND AGAIN, AS ALL OF ANOTHER WAS SAYING, UM, THE CURRENT POLICY IS IF A PERSON OUT OF THE CITY WANTS CITY SERVICES, THEN THEY HAVE TO ASK TO ANNEX.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY YES TO THE ANNEXATION.

YOU GOT A QUESTION.

IF SOMEBODY ELSE YOU GOT A QUESTION, GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD.

UH, FIRST QUESTION ON SEVEN 70 EAST.

IN JAMES CITY, DO WE NOT REGULATE THE BILLBOARD SIGNS THERE AS TO HOW MANY BILLBOARD SIGNS CAN BE INSTALLED ALONG THAT ROAD? AND IF WE DO, WHICH I THOUGHT JEFF MIGHT BE A GOOD ONE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

IF THEY, IF WE DO, HOW ARE WE DO IT? IF IT'S NOT IN THAT AGENT? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO.

WE DON'T.

WE STOP.

WE STOP AT THE OUTBACK.

INTERESTING.

AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE HAD A LADY UP HERE THAT WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WITH A FENCE DOWN LONG, AND WE VOTED NOT GOOD, RIGHT.

EXTENDING TO COMMERCIAL.

IF WE DROP THE TJ, HOW THAT AFFECT THAT LADY'S PROPERTY.

WELL, EVERYONE WILL LIVE IN THE COUNTY.

SO HE CAN, HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTED TO TODAY.

EVERYONE'S GOING TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN DO IN THE COUNTY.

JUST A QUESTION.

THE BRIDGEPOINT IS FAIRLY NEW.

DO THEY NOT HAVE CITY UTILITIES? I EXTENDED WATER, RIGHT? I'M ALMOST CERTAINLY DO.

A REASON WHY NO, WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

SO IT WAS BUILT PROBABLY IN THE NINETIES THAT THIS POLICY, THERE WAS NO POLICY THAT SAID, IF YOU GOT MOTOR SEWER, YOU HAD THE ANNEX.

WE HAVE THAT NOW.

BUT, UM, YEAH.

CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE SAME THING.

SO WHEN DID THE BRIDGE POINT HOTEL GET IN THE CITY LIMITS? IT HAD TO BE IN THE NINETIES SOMETIME IN THE MID, MID NINETIES, MAYBE MID TO LATE NIGHT.

I'VE ALWAYS CALLED IT.

IT WASN'T IN THE CITY LIMITS CITY LIMITS.

I THINK IT IS.

LET THAT MAP UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

OH, SO THE BLUE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US HERE BEING CITY LIMITS, I THOUGHT IT MEANT ATJ.

SO THE HOTEL AND THE NEW SECOND POLICE CREDIT UNION IS IN THE CITY LIMITS AND THE CONDO IS THE SAME DAY ETJ.

THEN THEY SELF REQUEST THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN DURING THAT THE GRAPH IN PROJECT, IT WAS IN THE MID TWO THOUSANDS POINT WAS BUILT BEFORE THAT.

BUT THOSE GUYS ARE GOING TO BUY THAT AND TURN THAT DOWN.

THAT BREAKPOINT WAS BUILT.

OH, FOR SURE.

MUCH EARLIER.

YOU SAID WE COULD REMOVE ANY SECTION UP.

WELL, I THINK THE CONCERN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE WESTERN PART OF THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN REMOVING THE TJ IN BRIDGESTONE AND THE BATTLE, UH, WAR.

AND LEGALLY

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WE WANT TO HAVE A SECTION IN AS MUCH OR AS LITTLE AS YOU'D LIKE, JEFFREY HAS YOUR AWARD MANLY.

LIKE I'M IN, I THINK THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN SPURRED AND CALLS THE FOLKS IN ROCKY RUN, COME HERE EVERY TIME THERE'S A REZONING REQUEST ALONG A MAJOR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

AND THEY HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY'RE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND THEY'RE NOT.

AND YOU KNOW, SCOTT BROUGHT UP A GREAT POINT.

I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IS ALL THE RESOURCES THAT STAFF PUTS IN FROM AN INSPECTION STANDPOINT AND PLANNING AND USE PLANNING AND ZONING IS IT'S NOT TAXABLE PROPERLY.

SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.

UM, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, PERSONALLY, I FEEL WHEN I VOTED THIS WAY, EVERY TIME IT'S COME BEFORE US IS HIGHWAY 17, MLK IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WE HAVE OTHER THAN 70.

AND, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ON WHAT SHOULD BE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.

BUT YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE MORE COMMERCIAL GROWTH IN THAT AREA AND IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP.

UM, AND I THINK THAT IF WE RELIEVE THE ETJ, WE SORT OF TAKE THE POLITICS OUT OF IT AND WE LET THE MARKET DECIDE WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

IS THAT YOUR MOTION? WELL, AS A RECOURSE FOR THE CITIZENS THAT DO LIVE OUT THERE AND FEEL STRONGLY THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT, THEY COULD ASK, THEY CAN BE AT, THEY CAN ASK TO BE AMEX.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

MA'AM BUT AGAIN, WE THEN HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT ZONE CAN THE CITY LIVE WITH AND THEY LIVE WITH WHEN THEY ANNEX.

SO IT COULD BE, WE CAN SAY, WELL, YES, WE'LL ASK YOU, BUT IT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL.

MA'AM YES.

MA'AM.

WELL, SCOTT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CASE HISTORY THAT YOU'VE FOUND WHERE CITIES GAVE UP THE TJ? I HAVE NOT.

I I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, UM, UH, I'VE I'VE I HAVE LOOKED AROUND CALLED COLLEAGUES.

UM, WE MAY BE THE FIRST TO D E T J ANYTHING BE A NEW WORD FOR THEM.

YES, YES.

I THINK A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION HERE, NICE FACT, THAT CITIES FOREVER DID FORCE ANNEXATION AND THE TJ WAS A MEANS OF PREPARING FOR FUTURE ABSOLUTE FORCE ANNEXATION.

AND WE'RE NOT DOING ANY FORCED ANNEXATION ANYMORE.

SO NOW IT'S MARKET DRIVEN AS TO WHEN OUR JOINING PROPERTIES WILL BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

YES, I RECALL IT, THIS WAS DONE.

AND THE THINKING IN THAT MOMENT WAS THAT RIVERBEND AND NEWBURN WERE GOING TO GROW AND HAVE A COMMON BOUNDARY.

AND THIS WAS A WAY TO START GETTING THE ZONING ALIGNED AND THE USES ALIGNED WHEN THE TWO CITIES CAME TOGETHER.

AND IT WASN'T MANY YEARS LATER WHEN THE TREND CHANGED FROM ANNEXATIONS TO NO ANNEXATIONS.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE D E T J IN PLACE, I CAN TELL YOU THE QUESTION UP TO, UP TO THE BOARD.

UM, REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED SOME DIRECTION ON D IS, IS, AND I KNOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON WEST NEWBURN, THE QUESTION AND REALLY WHAT STAFF NEEDS IS SOME DIRECTION.

UM, NOTHING IS GOING TO BE DECIDED TONIGHT.

UM, THERE'S A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.

THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS? UM, THE PROCESS BEING, WE NOTIFY EVERYONE BY MAIL IN THIS AREA, GIVE THEM 30 DAYS NOTICE PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AT WHICH TIME YOU WILL DECIDE AFTER THAT HEARING TO REMOVE IT OR NOT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GATHERED BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, AND THE INFORMATION YOU HEAR AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING, BUT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT FOLLOWING THAT PROCESS, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE HEARING DOESN'T MEAN NECESSARILY THAT YOU WERE GOING TO REMOVE IT OR RELINQUISH IT THAT'S THE STATUTE SAYS DOES.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS, JEFF, DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS? OKAY.

THEN I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS.

AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, YOU'VE GOT TO START THE PROCESS.

I, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT KRAMER AS FAR AS THEIR, THEIR GROWTH WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.

IS YOUR PROCESS TO REMOVE THE ATJ FROM THE WESTERN IRAQ? AND MY PROCESS IS, WELL, YES.

I GUESS THE DIRECTION WOULD BE, IS TO START THE PROCESS, TO REMOVE THE WEST NEWBURN ETJ.

UM, IT WOULD REALLY BE THAT ROCKY RUN NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, WHATEVER.

WELL, IT'S NOT THIS BORING ROCKY RUN.

I SAW ALL THE WAY UP TO 43.

WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES? WE CAN'T SAY, WE JUST WANT TO REMOVE ALONG A PARTICULAR CORRIDOR.

CAN YOU CUT IF YOU COULD, YOU COULD.

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE

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YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA ANNEX THAT INTO THE CITY.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME I'M CONTROLLING THE EXACT SAME THING THAT HAPPENED.

AND POSSIBLY I HAD CONVERSATION TO A SUBDIVISION IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE WE FOUND OUT THAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T HAVE THE ETJ, BUT THIS WITHOUT THE TJ AND I WAS, I WAS ALL FOR RELIEVING ETJ, BUT WITHOUT ETJ, WE'VE GOT CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN CRAIGIEBURN FOREST.

WHAT WOULD STOP THEM IF SOMEBODY WENT RIGHT BESIDE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO PUT A TRAILER PARK, R A R A PEAKED IN, I MEAN, WITHOUT THE ETJ HEAVY, WE'RE NOT PROTECTING OUR CITIZENS AT THAT POINT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN BECAUSE THIS, THIS EXACT SCENARIO CAME UP TO ME ON A SUBDIVISION IN MY WARD THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT A TRAILER PARK BESIDE A, A NICE SUBDIVISION.

AND NOT THAT I HAVE ANYTHING IN HIS TRAILER PARKS, BUT I JUST DIDN'T THINK IT WAS, IT WOULD FIT WELL THERE.

SO JEFF, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN IS IF SOMEBODY POPPED THAT THEY'RE SAG CRAYBURN AND FARCE, AND THE POSSIBILITIES OF THAT HAPPENING IS SLIM BECAUSE I THINK ONE PERSON OWNS MOST OF IT ANYWAY.

AND THERE'S ALREADY PLANS ON IT BEING DEVELOPED.

I'M SURE THAT IF SOMEBODY WENT IN THERE RIGHT BESIDE IN ONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS BACKYARD AND DECIDED TO BUILD A FARM, A PIG FARM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE WAY THAT WE COULD STOP IT AND PROTECT OUR CITIZENS THAT ARE IN THE CITY IS THAT, AND AGAIN, I'M THE ONE THAT CALLED, I THINK CALLED FOR, LET'S SEE ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH IT.

BUT AFTER SOME BOUTS IN WHAT I WAS APPROACHED WITH OVER IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I DECIDED THAT MAYBE, MAYBE THERE IS SOME PROTECTION THERE.

SO THE OTHER THING I, I NEVER WANT TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE OF, UM, A PARTICULAR SITUATION.

SO HOW ABOUT IF WE ALL THINK, HAVE YOU GOT SOME, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT OTHER ETJ FALLS BECAUSE YOU ARE, I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE DAY.

THEY SAID, WELL, I KNOW I LITTLE TINY BIT ALDERMAN BEST HAS A STREET IN HURRY TO, I TELL YOU, CAN WE JUST TAKE THIS INFORMATION AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

UM, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT.

AND WHEN DO YOU WANT TO BRING THIS BACK UP FOR DISCUSSION? MAYBE OUR NEXT MEETING THAT SHOULD GIVE US A COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND MAYBE EVEN FUTURE WORKS.

I JUST, I MEANT ULTIMATELY I THINK IT'S VERY CONFUSING FOR CRAVEN COUNTY CITIZENS THAT THINK THEY'RE IN THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN ONE NIGHT I REMEMBER ONE LADY CAME AND SPOKE AND TALKED ABOUT THE NEW PARK EQUIPMENT THAT WE PUT IN.

WE DON'T HAVE A PART THERE.

THAT'S THE CAT.

I MEAN, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE AMOUNT OF TIME OUR STAFF WAS PUTTING ME IN PREPARING ALL THESE DOCUMENTS AND COMPARING, OR HAVING ALL THESE HEARINGS AND DOING ALL THIS WORK AND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING INSPECTORS, DOING FIELD INSPECTIONS OUT THERE.

AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A, NOT A BIT OF RETURN TO US ON ANY OF THIS STUFF.

AND THAT WAS MY, ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS.

THEIR CONCERN IS THE HIGHWAY 70 CORRIDOR COULD SAY THE BOARD WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE DIRECTION OF LEAVING ETJ, INTACT EVERYWHERE, BUT WITHIN A 300 FOOT DEPTH OF HIGHWAY 17 COURT, WE HAVE SIMILAR TYPE SITUATIONS, UH, AROUND, THEY WERE AN OLD TRENT ROAD, THIS BOULEVARD WITH, UM, BUILDING MATERIALS.

UM, SO W WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY JUST ELIMINATING THE ATJ FOR THE HIGHWAY 17 QUARTER OF WHICH THE MARKET ITSELF IS GOING TO DETERMINE THE PROPER USAGE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THAT AREA.

THE REST OF IT WOULD, WOULD PROTECT IF YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH, AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH OVER THERE.

I THINK, I THINK WE CAN, THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY SAID.

SO IF WE THINK ABOUT IT, AND THEN ALSO SCOTT, UM, MAYBE SINCE WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION IS IF IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TROUBLE, WE COULD GET A MAP OF WHAT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES COULD BE OUT THERE FOR ETJ.

THERE MAY BE SOME AREAS THAT FOCUS HAS SHIFTED OVER THE YEARS.

SO, UM, ARE WE GOING TO REDISCUSS THIS TWO WEEKS NOW, ARE WE GOING TO SHOOT FOR REMOVING THE ETJ ON THE QUARTER? THEY WERE GOING TO RE-DISCUSS IT IN TWO WEEKS.

MAY OR THE NEXT DAY, AND IT'S CONSIDERED A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF THE CONTRACT FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING SERVICES THAT STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2021, WE ADVERTISE FOR OUR RFQ.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE SIDE OF SMOOT? I REMEMBER

[8. Consider Adopting a Resolution Authorizing the Execution of a Contract for Architectural- Engineering Services for Stanley White Recreation Center.]

EIGHT

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WE RECEIVE FOR ONCE WE RECEIVED THE 1ST OF DECEMBER STAFF REVIEWED THEM, SCORED THEM HIGH SCORE WAS CPL WHO ACTUALLY DID OUR, UH, CONCEPT PLAN AND PUBLIC INPUT THIS PAST YEAR AS PART OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT PROCESS.

AT THIS TIME, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE BOARD APPROVE THE AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE KENNETH MAYER WITH CPL HERE IN A KIMONO, AND HE'S HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

WELL, AND THEN WHEN YOU START DISCUSSING, HOW CAN WE GET THIS DONE BY TOMORROW LONG ENOUGH, I'M READY TO GET FINISHED.

I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE PLANS, WELL, I MEAN, I THINK MAIN THING, TIMES OF ASSETS, WE, WE WANT TO GET THE PARK AND BUILT BACK, UM, ANYTHING FROM MATERIALS, FROM VALUE ENGINEERING, IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE ELASTIC PRODUCT THAT, UH, SOME SORT OF THE JOB WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR A MEANS OF REMEDIATION OR MITIGATING SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, UM, YOU COULD TELL US, I'M SURE LA HORA OR MOSTLY HPAC RELATED ISSUES, I WOULD SAY, AS FAR AS PRODUCTS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ASSIST US DESERVE A NICE IMPROVEMENT BACK.

AND WE'RE JUST, WE'RE LOOKING TO HIT A HOME RUN HERE AND GET IT DONE AS QUICK AS WE CAN.

SO BOARD YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING.

THEY ONLY, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST TOO IS I HAVE THE NAME AND THE PHONE NUMBER OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S IN CHARGE OF RED CROSS SHELTERS FOR THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, HAPPENS TO BE A FRIEND OF MINE.

HE WAS USED TO BE THE FIRE CHIEF OF ASHEVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

HIS NAME IS ROBERT GRIFFIN.

ARE YOU BY ANY CHANCE FAMILIAR WITH HIM? I KNOW, KNOW THE NAME WE WORK, AND I CAN GET YOU HIS PHONE NUMBER TO SAVE TIME FOR TONIGHT, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIAL THAT WE CAN DO TO, UH, IN THE DESIGN THAT WOULD MAKE THIS SAY GOOD SHELTER FOR, UM, DURING HURRICANES THAT ARE QUALIFYING.

YEAH, PROBABLY ALONG THOSE LINES, IF YOU, SOMEBODY FROM YOUR, FROM YOURSELF OR WHOEVER, I KNOW THE ELEMENT I'LL HAVE CONCERNS THAT THEY, UM, PRIMARILY JUST RED CROSS CENTER, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES, UH, ALL IN ALL THE WOMAN HERE SAID, SHE'S NOT WITH US TONIGHT WAS WHEN WE HAD HURRICANE A LOT OF 18 WHEELERS COMING IN AND IT'S NOT PROBABLY ACCURATE TO STAY AT THE Y WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A RAMP FACILITY FOR THESE 18 WHEELERS UNLOAD.

SO THERE ARE THINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, ALTERNATIVE, UH, GENERATORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN.

UM, THE COLUMNS IN WHEN THE NEXT EVENT HAPPENS, WE'RE GOING TO WANT, UM, THIS TO BE AN EMERGENCY CENTER.

AND WITH THAT IN MIND AND IDEAS ABOUT TYING IN THE, UH, STANDING WHITE CENTER WITH, WITH PROPER GREENWAYS OR SIDEWALKS, WHATEVER, UM, STATE OF THE ART ENGINEERING ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY PRODUCTS AND PERVIOUS SURFACES, ET CETERA.

SO THE SPORT HAVE OTHER COMMENTS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS TO ASK.

ONCE YOU GET INTO THIS THING AND YOUR CALCULATIONS, YOU FIND OUT WHAT SIZE BACKUP GENERATOR, EMERGENCY POWER GENERATORS GOING TO BE NEEDED.

UM, I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME STATE ABOUT POSSIBLY GETTING, UM, A GENERATOR THROUGH THE STATE STATE PURCHASE.

WELL, ACTUALLY ACTUALLY DO MAYBE SOME MITIGATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, IF YOU COULD JUST LET US KNOW IN ADVANCE ABOUT THE SIZE OF GENERATOR AND GIVE US A LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THAT.

I HAD A CONVERSATION IS IRONIC BECAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DON HENDERSON ABOUT THAT TODAY, WHEN SHE CALLED ME AND WAS ASKING ME HOW THINGS WERE GOING ON IN THE PROJECTS.

UM, ONCE YOU FIND OUT WHAT KW, RIGHT, THAT'S THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY GENERATORS GOING TO TAKE, GIVE US A LITTLE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE YOU GO GOT ON BIDS FOR THAT GENERATOR, OR AT LEAST PUT IT AUTOMATED IN THERE.

YEAH, I'LL PUT IT AS AN ALBUM.

YOU DO APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT, WE'VE ALREADY GOT MEETINGS SCHEDULED TO GET STARTED.

I READY TO GET THE SHOES OR IS THE QUESTION IS THE BOARD IS NOT ASKING THAT WE NEED TO BE, NEED TO BE ASKING OR THINGS YOU WANT TO BRING OUT TONIGHT.

I THINK IF YOU COULD GIVE US THE DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD.

UM, AND IF

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I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.

I JUST, I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

UM, WHO ELSE BID THIS? I DIDN'T SEE, UH, WE HAD HH ARCHITECTURE, CR FRANCIS, OAKLEY COLLIER, AND CPL.

I DIDN'T SEE THE TALLY SHEET OR ANYTHING IN HER PACKAGE.

UM, AND THEN I ASSUME THAT CPO KNOWS OUR BUDGET NUMBER, THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK WITH.

WE, WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT BUDGET NUMBER, HOWEVER, UM, IN THE AGREEMENT, IT TALKS ABOUT AN ASSUMPTIVE BUDGET.

I BELIEVE OF $11.9 MILLION.

THAT WAS BASED ON A 34,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A VALUE ENGINEERING.

THEY'RE GOING TO START THE DESIGN.

THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US AN ACCURATE PRICE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD AT THAT PROBABLY IN A FEW MONTHS, AT LEAST ON THAT, THAT WAY.

YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT ON THINGS.

SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH YOUR BUILDING IS GOING TO COST, BUT WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE GOT FOR THE PROJECT.

WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH WE HAVE FOR THE PROJECT.

SO WHETHER WHETHER YOU WANT TO ADD IN ADDITIONAL MONEY BASED ON WHEN HE COMES BACK WITH, WE'RE NOT WITH BORAL, I JUST DON'T WANT, I MEAN, WE KNOW INFLATION IS HAPPENING.

WE DON'T WANT THEM TO, WE'VE GOT AN $8 MILLION BUDGET.

WE DON'T WANT THEM TO COME BACK WITH A $12 MILLION PROPOSAL.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE MOVING ON.

WHAT WOULD THE EXTRA FOUR, I THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT OUR BUDGET NUMBER IS AND THAT'S WHAT THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED TO.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

UH, THE ONLY THING THAT SHE MIGHT HELP THE BORE OUT WITH IS, IS THAT GENERALIZED TERM RUINED SALIENCY.

AND YOU GOT AS FAR AS THIS BUILDING AND, UH, HOW WE CAN IMPACT AND, UH, ROOF SYSTEMS, ET CETERA.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS OR THOUGHTS ON, UH, RESILIENCY TYPE OF, UH, MATERIALS, ET CETERA, THAT YOU WOULD INCORPORATE IN THIS BUILDING? WE HAVEN'T GOT FAR ENOUGH INTO IT YET FOR ME TO REALLY NAME THEM, BUT WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND THE ISSUES AND THE LOCATION.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS AS RECENTLY AS LAST WEEK ABOUT THE RED CROSS SHELTER AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF OUR WELL, I MEAN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS 35,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A GYM WRITER OR IF THE ROOF BLEW OFF, OR IF THE WINDOWS BLEW OUT OR SOMETHING, AND WE DON'T HAVE RED CROSS CHATTER SITE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR HURRICANE PURPOSES, THE SPURLING WOULD, WOULD WITHSTAND, OBVIOUSLY KNOW THE ELEVATION IS 14 FEET OR BETTER.

SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD THERE.

RIGHT? SO WE DON'T WANT TO GO AND PUT ARCHITECTURAL STEEL ROOF ON IT, OR SOME MEMBRANE ROOFING AND THINGS BLOW OFF AND WE CAN'T USE IT FOR THE INTENDED USE.

RIGHT? WELL, WE'LL TAKE ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

WHAT'S ON THE STRUCTURAL SYSTEM, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WILL LOOK AT THAT SELECTION OF ROOFING MATERIALS, WHETHER IT'S MASONRY OR SOME OTHER MATERIAL FOR THE BUILDING.

SO ALL THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT.

RIGHT? NICE.

NO DIP MISSION YOU JUST RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS.

WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF, UH, UH, WITH THAT YOU CAN RESPOND BACK TO US.

I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION BASED ON WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS JUST ASKED YOU? YES, SIR.

HOW ABOUT THE NEEDS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME FEEDBACK AND ONE SENTENCE THAT, UH, WOULD HELP TO, UH, UM, GIVE US SOME, UM, UNDERSTANDING BASED ON WHAT WE SHARED WITH YOU, BASED ON WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR US? WELL, WHAT I CAN SAY IS EVERYTHING YOU JUST DESCRIBED AS PART OF OUR THINKING AND OUR DESIGN, AND AS WE START THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PROCESS NEXT WEEK, HOPEFULLY ALL OF THAT WILL BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT WE DO.

YOU BUILT REC CENTERS BEFORE? YES, SIR.

WE HAVE A THREE IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW.

WOW.

WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED UP? ROLLSVILLE JUST OUTSIDE OF RALEIGH, BELMONT, OUTSIDE OF CHARLOTTE AND KERNERSVILLE BETWEEN GREENSBORO AND WINSTON-SALEM.

WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THOSE BUILDINGS? ROLLSVILLE IS ABOUT 16,000.

NO, MOM'S 50 KERNERSVILLE IS 42,000.

SO IT'S A RANGE IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF GYMS TYPICALLY.

SO ROSEVILLE IS A SINGLE GYM.

BELMONT'S TWO GYM.

OKAY, WELL, MR. MAYOR, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A CONTRACT FOR ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE STANDING WHITE RECREATION CENTER.

I SECOND THAT MOTION, A LOT OF BIG STEPS FORWARD ABOUT TIME OVER THREE YEARS IN THE MAKING HERE.

I JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT, I STAND CORRECTED THE TALLY SHEET WASN'T HERE.

IT WAS THE LAST PAGE.

I DIDN'T SEE IT.

SO ONE OF THAT WOULD BE CLEAR THAT EVERY MOTION SECOND, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEVERAL CALLS STARTED WITH POWERMENT BENGAL? YES, YES, YES,

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YES, YES.

THANKS FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF THE WE'LL BE WORKING WITH YOU SKYDIVE,

[9. Consider Adopting a Resolution to Approve a First Amendment to License Agreement with NC Railroad Company for the Union Station Train Depot.]

NUMBER NINE.

NOW YOUR NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE A FIRST AMENDMENT TO LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THE NORTH CAROLINA RAILROAD FOR THE UNION STATION TRAIN DEPOT.

WE ORIGINALLY ENTERED INTO A LICENSE AGREEMENT BACK IN 2012 WITH THE, WITH THE DEPOT, FOR THE PURPOSE OF REHABILITATING, THAT STRUCTURE WE'VE SINCE EXTENDED THAT LICENSE TWO TIMES WHERE WE'RE ASKING TO COME BACK FOR A THIRD EXTENSION, WHICH WOULD BE VALID UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST, 2023.

THE GOAL IS TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE RAILROAD, UH, AND TO REHAB THAT FACILITY IN HOPES OF HAVING A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION, UH, FOR THAT FACILITY IN THE FUTURE.

WELL, I'VE, UH, MADE MY NOTES TO, UM, UH, MR. HUGHES.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TALKING TO THE RAILROAD BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME RESOLUTION.

I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION WHO HAVE RAISED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, UM, TO RESTORE THIS PROPERTY.

AND BECAUSE OF THIS AGREEMENT, WE'VE STILL CAN'T GET IN THERE TO LEASE IT OUT BECAUSE OF THE TOTAL BUILDING HAS TO BE COMPLETED.

SO WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE RAILROAD TO CHANGE THAT AND POTENTIALLY HAVE THE RAILROAD, GIVE THIS BUILDING TO THE CITY OF NEWPORT, WHICH THEY SHOULD DO.

THEY'VE GIVEN THEIR OTHER DEPOTS ACROSS THE STATE TO THE COMMUNITIES.

AND I'D LIKE TO MOON TO BE IN THAT LIST.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MR. HUGHES, IF YOU COULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING COMMUNICATION AND I'M OKAY WITH THE TERMS OF THE LEASE AS WELL.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO LET THIS GO ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

AND WE'RE IN THE SAME PLACE THAT WE ARE.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE FIRST, UH, FIRST AMENDMENT TO LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH NC RAILROAD COMPANY FOR THE UNION STATION, TRAIN DEPOT MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEN ON THIS NAVARONE COUGH STARTED WITH ALDERMAN ODOM.

I WANT DIFFERENT ITEM.

OUTER MENDEZ OTTOMAN KINSEY.

MAYOR OTTOMAN ASKED HER HOW TO RUN THE BINGO.

NEXT TIME IT'S CONSIDERED A RESOLUTION APPROVEMENT, A PERMANENT UTILITY EASEMENT WOULD CRAVE A COUNTY EASEMENT ADDRESSES SPECIFICALLY.

MOTION CARRIES ITEM

[10. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a Temporary Construction Easement with Craven County.]

NUMBER 10.

LET'S CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT WITH CRAVEN COUNTY.

THE COUNTY HAS THAT DATA IN A BOOSTER PUMP STATION LOCATED AT THE EDGE OF LAWSON CREEK PARK.

AS A RESULT, THE COUNTY NEEDS A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT FOR UP TO 36 MONTHS TO PERFORM THIS WORK, MAKE A MOTION.

WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, APPROVING THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT FOR CRAVEN COUNTY MOTION.

SECOND, IS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING US HAVE ROLL CALL STARTING WITH ALDERMAN BINGLE, ALDERMAN BAGEL? YES.

ALDERMAN ASTERISKS MAY ARE OUTLAWS OUTER MCKINSEY, OUTER MENDEZ OUTER MINT ITEMS. YES.

MOTION CARRIES.

[11. Consider Adopting a Resolution Approving a Permanent Utility Easement with Craven County.]

THE WORK THAT CRAVEN COUNTY IS DOING AT LAWSON CREEK PARK, THE EASEMENT WOULD BE EXPANDED TO COVER THE ENLARGED PUMP STATION, HAVING ANY EFFECT ON THE PARK.

IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE PARK OPERATIONS.

AND I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ADOPT RESOLUTION APPROVING AND PERMANENT UTILITY EASEMENT WITH CRAVEN COUNTY.

SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? SAME ON THE SEVERAL CALLS STARTED WITHOUT YES, I WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST.

OTTOMAN KINSEY MAY OR LONG OTTOMAN ASTERS ALDERMAN.

THEY GO NEXT

[12. Consider Adopting a Resolution to Initiate the Upset Bid Process for 2602 New Bern Avenue.]

TIME.

IT WAS CONSIDERED A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS FOR 2,600 TO NEWBURN AVENUE AND OFFER $2,500 HAS BEEN RECEIVED FROM THE PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY.

THE TAX VALUE OF THE PARCEL IS $5,000 AND THE OFFER REPRESENTS 50% OF THAT VALUE IN THE PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED JOINTLY BY THE CITY AND COUNTY IN 2017 TO A TAX FORECLOSURE.

THE UNPAID TAXES AT THAT TIME INCLUDED AN INTEREST PENALTIES AND FEES WERE 3080 $9 68 CENTS TO THE COUNTY AND $995 90 CENTS TO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD FOR THE INITIAL BID, THE CITY IS PROJECTED TO RECEIVE $333 99 CENTS.

AND THE COUNTY'S PROJECTED TO RECEIVE $2,166.

AND 1 CENTS FROM THE PROCEEDS GOT A QUESTION.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN SO CONFUSING WITH THE PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY AND COUNTY OWN AND TRY TO GET THEM TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

SO THIS WAS A CITY COUNTY PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT THEY AGREED.

THIS WAS NOT IN THE REDEVELOPMENT.

UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD, BUT WE CAN ANY PROPERTY THEN THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS.

I MEAN, OUTSIDE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA CAN BE SOLD THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT

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WITH THE COUNTY.

WE DO, THEY WILL COME.

SOME PEOPLE GO TO THE COUNTY FIRST, SOME COME TO THE CITY.

WE HAVE TO BOTH AGREE BECAUSE WE EACH GOING TOGETHER UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY BOTH HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS AND AGREE THAT THEY MAY SELL IT AT THAT PRICE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S KIND OF GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING ON ME, OR IF THERE'S THE MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS LAWN, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, TO INITIATE THE UPSET BID PROCESS FOR 2,600 TO NEWBURN AVENUE, SACCHARIN MOTION.

AND SECOND, IS THERE A FURTHER DISCUSSION YES.

OUTER MENDEZ OUTER RING KINSEY.

STARTING WITH OUR BINGO TONIGHT.

MAYOR OUTLAW ASKED HER MOTION, CARRIES IT.

PORTLAND,

[13. Appointment( s).]

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION OF DELA WALLING TO THE CDAC.

SHE'S A SCHOOL TEACHER AND, UM, I SPOKE WITH HER THIS WEEK AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO SERVE DELLA WALLY.

WE HAVE SET THE SECOND PACKET.

WE HAVE MOTION SECOND.

UM, ON FEBRUARY MOTION, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED, SAME MOTION CARRIES.

WE HAVE TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.

THEY'RE ASKING US TO A POINT FASTER FOR 'EM TO TAKE MARK STEVENS PLACE.

I DON'T EVEN I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE POINT AT FOSTER.

SECOND QUESTION.

SECOND IS THAT BROKEN DISCUSSION, SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY, AYE, MOTION CARRIES ANY OTHER APPOINTMENTS AT THIS TIME, ATTORNEY'S REPORT NOTHING IMPORTANT LIKE MAYOR CITY

[15. City Manager's Report.]

MANAGER'S REPORT A FEW THINGS.

I GOING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS STARTED A NEW PROGRAM.

IT'S CALLED THE NOODLE NIGHTS CHESS CLUB.

IT'S A PROGRAM FOR, FOR YOUTH, INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT THE ART OF CHESS.

IT WILL, THE FIRST MEETING WILL BE HELD ON JANUARY 24TH.

THAT WILL BE AT THE MALL.

SO IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT CHESS, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE WITH THAT.

ALSO I'LL LET YOU KNOW A LITTLE UPDATE ABOUT THE CNI GRANT.

WE ARE, UH, MEETING WITH, UH, UH, A GRANT WRITER TOMORROW TO DISCUSS THIS PROGRAM.

THEY ARE FIRMLY AWARE ABOUT THE DEADLINE TO APPLY FOR THIS.

AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS.

UM, THE ARP WORKSHOP, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE.

WE HAVE TWO DATES THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO WORK JANUARY 25TH OR FEBRUARY 8TH.

AND THOSE ARE BOTH BEFORE A BOARD MEETING.

LET ME SEE BOARD HAD ANY PREFERENCE ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE.

NO, YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT LIKE FOUR O'CLOCK BEFORE THE SIX O'CLOCK MEETING.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WHAT'S SPLICER TO BOARD.

LET'S GET IT DONE.

YOU DON'T DO THE ONE JANUARY 25TH.

THERE'S A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT.

WELL, I CAN MAKE A MOTION.

WE CALL FOR A ARP WORKSHOP HELD HERE TO CITY HALL ON JANUARY THE 25TH AT FOUR O'CLOCK SECOND MOTION TO STACK.

WAS THERE DISCUSSION SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR MOTION, SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

SAME MOTION CARRIES.

UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS WHERE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF BUDGET SEASON NOW, AND WE TRADITIONALLY DO A BUDGET WORKSHOP.

UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TWO DATES FOR THE BOARD.

ONE IS FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 11TH OR THE 18TH.

AND CHOOSE ONE OF THOSE DAYS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT STARTING AT EITHER 12 OR ONE ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND GOING TO THE REMAINDER OF THE AFTERNOON UNTIL ALL PRESENTATIONS ARE MADE.

DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 11TH AND 18TH THAT YOU, AS FAR AS TIMES IT'S NO, SIR.

WE CHECKED AVAILABILITY FROM EVERYONE AND I THINK THOSE TWO, THE MAJORITY CAN MAKE, OKAY.

HOW ABOUT THE 11, 12, 8 OR ONE O'CLOCK WHICH YOU WANT? 12, 12 NOON.

I MADE THAT MOTION.

MOTION.

SECOND.

IS THERE DISCUSSION? WHAT WAS THE DATE AGAIN? YOU 11TH, FEBRUARY.

WHERE WILL IT BE HELD? YEAH, IT WILL EITHER BE, IT WILL EITHER BE HELD AT THE MEL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR AT, UM, WEDNESDAY BURN RECREATION CENTER, THIS BACKSEAT AND FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR MOTION, SAY, AYE, MOTION CARRIES THE THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAD TO DO TO GET THESE DATES TOGETHER.

THAT WAS THE SAME THAT YOU HAD TO CALL GET EVERYBODY'S TIMES TOGETHER.

AND THE LAST THING I HAVE, I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE DO HAVE A NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, MR. ALKA BLAKE.

AND HE WILL BE STARTING ON JANUARY 24TH.

UH, HE WILL BE AT THE MEETING ON THE 25TH.

WE'LL INTRODUCE

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HIM AT THAT TIME.

HE, HE HAD ALREADY LEFT OR GETTING READY TO LEAVE.

HIS DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS POSITION IN OREGON.

HE WAS FORMERLY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS WITH THE CITY OF BURLINGTON.

HE COMES HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

THE STAFF IS EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

HE'S A VERY ENGAGING, UH, GENTLEMEN AND HE BRINGS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC AND THE FORCE THAT OUR ALDERMAN MEET HIM.

AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR TONIGHT.

UM, I HAD A QUESTION, SIR.

UM, GOING BACK TO THE CNI GRANT.

UM, CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT PLEASE? HOW OLD DID I THOUGHT THAT WAS UNDER THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR THE ACTIVATION OF THAT? THE HOUSING AUTHORITY CAN APPLY FOR THE GRANT.

THE CITY CAN APPLY FOR THE GRANT AND WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE TO WORK WITH US ON THAT, BUT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.

SO WE ARE, WE ARE TAKING THE LEAD ON THE BRAND.

BUSINESS, BACK TO THE CITY MANAGER, TWO THINGS.

SO WHO, WHICH DEPARTMENT WOULD BE TAKING LEAD ON THAT? ARE YOU LEAVING IT UP TO THE GRANT WRITER OR YOU LEAVE IT UP TO MR. JERRY AND HIS DEPARTMENT OR JEFFREY? JERRY, AMANDA OWEN SEVEN.

WE'LL BE WORKING ON THIS GRANT.

WE'LL ALSO BE WORKING 7,000 AUTHORITY AND OUR GRANT WRITER WILL BE LEADING US THROUGH THIS.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT SAY MANAGER UNDER THE SAME MANAGERS REPORT, UH, HAVE SOMETHING I'LL DO IT UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

YOU'D HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

THAT'S OKAY.

ON A NEW

[16. New Business.]

UM, AND I DON'T NEED A REPORT ON IT AT NIGHT ABOUT, I THINK WE APPROPRIATED $250,000 FOR SIDEWALKS THIS YEAR.

UH, I JUST MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN IN THE RIGHT PLACES, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF SIDEWALKS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN UPDATE MAYBE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS OF WHAT'S BEING DONE, GOING TO BE DONE.

UM, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS TIME OF YEAR THAT MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, AT THE END OF THE YEAR HAVE $200,000 WITH THE UNSPENT SIDEWALK FUNDS, BUT WE HAVE PLENTY OF NEED, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN REPAIR.

UM, SO IF STAFF COULD LOOK INTO THAT, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO HAVE THE REPORT ON TONIGHT, GEORGE OR ANYBODY ELSE.

UM, THE OTHER THING THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL TIMES I'VE SEEN LATELY THAT IN CITY NEWBURN, UH, IT'S JUST REALLY PLEASURABLE TO SEE FOLKS WORKING ON HOUSES AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

UH, THE RIVERS MORGAN FUNERAL HOME, THE FORMER RIVERS FAMILY, THE HOME, THE BROWN STREET.

UM, THAT'S JUST BEEN REALLY NICE TO SEE THE WORK THAT WAS READ BY TODAY.

SO FOLKS OVER THERE WORKING ON IT, UM, WHEN THE OWNERS MAKE A NICE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, REACHES OUT, WE GET THE CITY NEWBURN, UM, REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONER WHO, UM IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE PROCESS COULD BE A LITTLE EASIER, UH, IF A PERSON WANTS TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO THAT TONIGHT, BUT I DO.

UM, CAN ANYBODY GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON THE PHONE? THE GENTLEMAN IS TRYING TO BUY THAT PROPERTY.

AND WHAT, IF ANY IMPEDIMENTS ARE IN THE WAY OF LEAKS BEING TOLD? NO, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THAT ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH IS 26TH OF JANUARY.

THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF SETBACK WITH THE PRESENT PROPERTY.

AND SO, UM, WILL IT BE, UH, JEFF, DO YOU KNOW ANY MORE ABOUT THAT? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, PROCESSES AND HAS BEEN, UM, IS THE OWNER COMES OR WHOEVER THE, WHOEVER WANTS TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY COMES AND MAKES THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ON WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND WHAT TIMEFRAME THEY WANT TO DO IT IN.

AND THE COMMISSION MAKES THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ALL BASED ON, I KNOW THAT JEFFERY, UNLESS I'M WRONG, WHEN THE RED REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MAKES THE DECISION, IT COMES BACK FOR BOMA FOR APPROVAL.

UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT IT WAS EVER THE INTENT.

WE WANT TO SEE INFIELD.

WE WANT TO SEE VACANT LOTS TURN IN TO NICE HOMES BUILT ON.

UM, PART OF THAT PROCESS WAS READ ABOUT WHAT COMMISSION COULD DO, THINGS CITY NEWBURN, OR VALMONT COULDN'T DO.

SO, BUT HAVING SAID THAT WHEN AN OWNER IS MAKING, UM, CONSIDERABLE, CONSIDERABLE RENOVATIONS RETROFITS TO A HOME AND THEY WANT TO BOND A JOINT IN PEACE, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HOUSE BUILT ON IT, BUT FOR THE GREATER GOOD, WHEN IT, IN THE CASE OF THE BRONX STREET THING, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL TO ALLOW THESE FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE ADJACENT PARCEL, UM, FOR OBVIOUSLY REASONS

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UH, I WILL SAY WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THE SPORT, BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR THE COUNTY.

AND FOSTER HAS DONE A GOOD JOB WITH WORKING WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER SO THAT ALL THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE JOINTLY OWNED, THE ONE YOU'RE SPEAKING IS JOINTLY OWNED BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY CAN THEN BE TURNED OVER TO THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

ONCE THEY OWN IT, THEN THEY WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.

IS THAT CORRECT? THEN THEY CAN MAKE THE DECISION ONE OFF AND WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH.

SO THAT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO INVEST MONEY, ESPECIALLY SOMEONE WHO'S LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO INVEST MONEY TO MAKE IT BETTER.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD FOR US TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND HELP THEM ANYWAY.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR WHAT ALL YOU'RE DOING AND THE REST OF YOUR DEPARTMENT AT THE END OF THE STAFF, ALL AT THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, SIR.

A NEW BUSINESS STARTING WITH ALL OF THE BANGLE.

UH, YES, SIR.

I FIRST WANT TO THANK FOSTER AND THE, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF AND PUBLIC WORK STAFF FOR A GREAT NEW YEAR'S EVE.

UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND, YOU KNOW, UM, THE GOOD OLD I HAD FLU AND RHONA AND WHATEVER ELSE AND INTERVIEWED BY THE AD.

SO I COULDN'T ATTEND, BUT, UM, OF COURSE I WATCHED ON FACEBOOK AND, UH, HEARD LOTS OF GREAT COMMENTS AND NONE OF THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT THE GREAT STAFF THAT WE HAVE.

AND I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SAY TO OUR, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC AND PUBLIC WORKS, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU GO BACK AND TELL THEM WHAT A GREAT JOB ALL OF THE STAFF THAT WE CAN'T PULL THIS STUFF OFF.

AND I HEARD FROM CITIZENS THAT, YOU KNOW, BY SIX O'CLOCK THE NEXT MORNING, THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THAT WE HAD HAD THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FOR AN EVENT THE NIGHT BEFORE, BUT THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO OUR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING EVERYBODY FROM POLICE, FIRE ON DOWN TO THE PUBLIC, WORKS IN THE PARKS AND REC STREET.

SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, THANK YOU TO THE STAFF.

A LOT OF OVERTIME DURING THIS HOLIDAY SEASON, THESE ARE ALL THE BEHIND SCENES THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE, YOU KNOW, OUR DOWNTOWN AND OUR CITY SHINES AND SPARKLES, AND THE LIGHTS ARE PRETTY, BUT THE MAN HOURS AND THE WORK THAT'S GOING INTO THAT IS INCREDIBLE.

AND IT'S BY THE WONDERFUL STAFF WE HAVE.

AND I WANT PEOPLE, IF YOU SEE OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR STAFF, JUST TO SAY THANKS TO YOU, I THINK THAT'S ALL THEY WANT TO HEAR IS THANK YOU.

I'VE TRIED TO GET THEM INTO AN EMPHASIS STORE TO GIVE THEM A PEPSI.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SAY THANK YOU TO THEM.

UM, NEXT THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME I'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND ACTUALLY WHAT FOR, UM, A TOUR TODAY WITH, UH, MR. WILLIAMS, UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ABATEMENT ISSUES AND OTHER ISSUES WITHIN WARD.

ONE OF COURSE, WARD ONE IS SOME OF THE OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR CITY AND WE ARE NOT PROTECTED.

WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF HOS AND OTHER THINGS THAT PROTECT, UM, THE AVENUES AND THE STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S UP TO CITIZENS TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION, PARKING ISSUES, TRASH ISSUES, OTHER THINGS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY AMAZING THAT PEOPLE DON'T, UM, TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ISSUE IN RIVERSIDE WHERE, UM, WE HAVE AN ABATEMENT ISSUE ON AVENUE A, THE PERSON'S SIDE, OR WHAT DO THEY DO, MOVE ALL THEIR STUFF TO NATIONAL AVENUE BECAUSE THEY CAN CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I'M WORKING ON THIS AND I'M WORKING WITH THE, UM, CITY ATTORNEY.

I'M GOING TO WORK WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND OUR CITY MANAGER TO START CHANGING SOME OF OUR POLICIES SO THAT WE CAN TYPE THINGS UP BECAUSE, UM, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WORKING REALLY HARD AND TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES AND CLEANING UP.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO JUST DON'T CARE, IT DEVALUES THEIR PROPERTY.

SO, UM, I HOPE I CAN WORK WITH SOME OF THE ALDERMAN AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SURROUND THE FIRST WARD THAT ARE THESE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AGAIN, WITHOUT THE LUXURY OF HOS AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT.

UM, THE THIRD AND LAST THING THAT I HAVE IS, UM, UM, MANY OF US KNOW AMANDA BANKS, WHO IS THE DRIVING FORCE BETWEEN BERRY MERRY CHRISTMAS, BETTER KNOWN AS ELF, TWINKLE TOES.

UM, MANY OF YOU, UM, KNOW THAT HER DAUGHTER, AUBURN, WHO IS 15 YEARS OLD, WAS DIAGNOSED BEFORE CHRISTMAS WITH AN INOPERABLE BRAIN TUMOR ON THE BRAINSTEM.

UM, THIS MORNING AT FIVE 30, UM, SHE GOT REALLY SICK AND ASPIRATED AND THEY'VE HAD TO PUT HER ON A VENTILATOR.

SHE IS IN FIGHTING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BED AT CHAPEL HILL.

SO, UM, AMANDA HAS ASKED THEM, THE FAMILY HAS ASKED FOR PRAYER.

SO PLEASE PRAY FOR THIS YOUNG GIRL AND HER FAMILY

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THAT THEY CAN GET HER OFF OF THE VENTILATOR AND, UM, GET HER STABLE ENOUGH SO THEY CAN, AND THEY CAN GET HER A ROOM IN CHAPEL HILL.

SO PLEASE KEEP THIS FAMILY.

SHE'S A SPECIAL PART.

AMANDA IS SUCH A SPECIAL PART OF OUR DOWNTOWN AND HER GIRLS WERE ALWAYS THERE HELPING HER HAND IT'S TIME FOR THE CITY TO RALLY AROUND HIS FAMILY.

THANK YOU, SABRINA.

I JUST FORGOT ABOUT THIS.

I KNEW WHEN I RECEIVED THIS PHONE CALL, YOU WERE HOME WITH THE FLU, SO I DIDN'T BOTHER YOU, BUT I JUST WAS PULLING NOTES OUT OF MY BACKPACK HERE.

UM, I HAD A LADY WHO ACTUALLY LIVES IN MY WARD THAT HAS SUGGESTED THAT DURING THE TOURIST SEASON THAT WE PUT NO TURN ON RED SIGNS UP AT THE INTERSECTION AT MIDDLE STREET, SHE SAID THAT SHE WOULDN'T GO MAKE A TURN.

AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE STEPPED OFF THE CURB RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER AND SHE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE BEST IF WE JUST, SO JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKING.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE CROSSWALKS PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET.

THEY'RE NOT MARKED GOOD.

THE FLASHLIGHTS, NO, IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH DRIVERS.

DRIVERS ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

THEY'RE DISTRACTED, YOU KNOW, AND THEN EVEN PEOPLE WALKING TO CROSS THE STREET, THROWING ON CELL PHONES, THEY'RE DISTRACTED, WHATEVER.

SO WE DO NEED TO MAYBE MARK OUR CROSSWORDS.

UH, WE'D HEARD FROM THIS YOUNG MAN ABOUT, UM, THE MAIN CROSSMARK RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, NEAR BAKER'S KITCHEN, PEOPLE MOVE ALL THE TIME.

I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE SIGN IN THE MIDDLE STREET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

I SEE THEM IN SOME COMMUNITIES THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU MUST STOP FOR THE CROSSWALK OR IT'S SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE LIKE THAT.

AND MAYBE PEOPLE WILL SLOW DOWN SO PEOPLE CAN GET ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON AT THEIR PLAZA.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT.

WE'VE GOT TWO GREAT STAFF, PEOPLE HERE THAT'LL HELP US.

GOOD.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, UM, CHIEF, UH, AND DEBATE WHILE YOU'RE HERE TOO.

I HAPPENED TO BE BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS, UH, IN THE HARRIS TEETER PARKING LOT OVER AT CAROLINA COLORS.

AND I PARKED AWAY FROM THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE PLACE WAS JAM PACKED.

AND AS I WAS OUT WALKING TOWARDS THE STORE, I NOTICED A POLICE OFFICER KIND OF MEANDERING IN BETWEEN THE CARS AND STUFF.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF SOMETHING WAS GOING ON.

SO I JUST ASKED HIM, I HAPPENED TO KNOW HIM AND ASKED HIM WHAT WAS GOING ON.

AND HE SAID, YEAH, JUST OUT PATROLLING.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT.

SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN A POLICE OFFICER IN THE BURNER CAROLINA COLORS UNTIL YOU BECAME CHIEF, AND THEN YOU NOW ARE SEEING POLICE OFFICERS OVER THERE.

AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.

AND IF YOU WOULD, I MEAN, YOUR STAFF IS DOING A GREAT JOB, ESPECIALLY OVER IN, AND NOW WE SEE YOUR PRESENCE.

THEY WERE NOMINATED FOR.

WE WERE.

AND THE LAST THING FOSTER, WHEN YOU DO THESE EVENTS, DON'T WE FOLLOW THE COMPLETE CDC GUIDELINES.

WE DO.

WE STILL ALSO GO BY THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS AS WELL.

SO WE DEFINITELY PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE THINGS.

SO THE LAST THING WE WOULD WANT TO DO IS OFFER AN OR INTERACTIVITY THAT WOULD ENDANGER ANYONE.

I FIGURED THAT MUCH.

SO I JUST FELT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THE CDC GUIDELINES WITH THIS EVENT, TOOK PLACE OUT HERE.

AND THAT'S ALL I GOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DON'T KNOW MACKENZIE.

UM, MR. FOSTER AND I WAS SPEAKING OF THIS, THIS WEEK ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS AND, UM, WE HAVE CROSS WALKS LIGHTEN ON ELIZABETH AVENUE AND FROM ELIZABETH AVENUE ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BRIDGE, WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS AS ACTUALLY WALKING TO GO TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO GET THAT MOVING, WHERE WE CAN GET, UH, SAFETY THERE, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED A WAY TO SOMETHING HAPPEN.

WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND EXPEDITIOUSLY TAKE CARE OF THAT, MAN, WHILE WE HAVE MONEY IN PLACE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH SHELL, WE'RE READY.

SO I LIKE FOR THE BOARD, GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MAKE, UH, UH, UH, A VOTE ON THAT ONE, THE GRADE AND MOVE ON THAT AND BACK TO THE COVID YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THAT AGAIN.

AND, UM, WE CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES.

I GET EMAILS FROM YOU ON MY PHONE.

SO IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE LAX IN WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWING THE LETTER RIGHT TO THE T.

AND I THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT.

IN ORDER MCKINSEY, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN GET A PRICE ON WHAT IT WOULD COST TO PUT THAT, THAT SIDEWALK

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IN.

AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK ON THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE PRICED THAT IN A WHILE, SO WE'LL LOOK AND SEE WHAT, OKAY.

BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CITY HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU AND I DISCUSSED PRETTY MUCH ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE ANYTHING WRONG TO WORK.

I'M WAITING ON HIM.

I SPOKEN FOR ALSO ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

THE GUY THAT I SPOKE FROM ROD, THE ENGINEER TO COME IN FOR THE BIG CHORUS, BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WATER ACTUALLY DRAINS THROUGH.

AND, UM, UM, UM, GEORGE, HIS GUYS HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH ON THE DITCH CLEANING AND THE REMOVAL OF THE, UH, STILL.

SO THEY'VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH ON THAT AND GETTING BACK TO, UM, THE CAPTAIN HERE, UH, I SEEN HIM WALKING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN HE HAS A COUPLE OF GUYS TO RIDE BIKES, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THEY WERE CHECKING THEM ON HIM, BUT THEY TOLD ME HE WASN'T, THEY WERE JUST RIDING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CHIEF, I WANT TO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH IN CHIEF, HE'S BEEN MEETING WITH A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH THE COMMUNITY LEADERS, UH, ANSWERING QUESTIONS FOR THEM.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

SO, UM, WE WERE PRETTY MUCH ON TOP OF EVERYTHING AND, UM, YOU JUST HAVE TO BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME AND NOT ASSUME THAT WE'RE DOING THE WRONG THING.

UM, YES, SIR.

UM, I HAD SOME FOLLOW-UP CALLS IN REFERENCE TO THE LOT RIGHT BEHIND THE STANDING WHITE BALL FIELD WHERE THE VETERANS GARDEN USED TO BE.

UM, AND THAT AREA REALLY DO NEED TO BE CLEANED UP.

THEY LEFT A LOT OF TRASH AND DEBRIS OUT THERE AND, UM, FOSTER, I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO BECAUSE IT'S REALLY AN FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOMORROW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, I HAD ONE OTHER THING, UM, ALSO TO OUR CITIZENS THAT ARE ELDERLY OR DISABLED OR VETERANS, NOW'S THE TIME FOR YOU TO GO TO THE CRAVEN COUNTY TAX OFFICE AND GET THE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FORM TO RECEIVE SOME, UH, EXEMPTION ON YOUR REAL ESTATE, YOUR, YOUR HOME, YOUR PROPERTY TAXES.

SO NAN'S A TIME TO DO THAT.

UM, IT'S A REALLY GOOD EXEMPTION AND IT WILL DEFINITELY HELP.

LIKE I SAID, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR ELDERLY IN OUR SCENE AND OUR, UM, SENIORS IT'S WHERE WOULD THIS BE? PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FORM.

IF YOU'RE A VETERAN AND YOU QUALIFY, THERE IS NO AGE FOR THE VETERAN.

IF YOU'RE SEEING YOUR CITIZEN, YOU HAVE TO BE 65 OR OLDER, AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE PROPERTY.

YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN THE HOME IN ORDER TO GET THE PROPERTY TAX RE-RELEASED.

SO NOW'S THE TIME TO DO THAT.

AND YOU HAVE UP UNTIL JANUARY OF, I MEAN, TO JUNE 1ST TO GET YOUR APPLICATION BACK IN.

SO THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD, UM, RELIEF ON TAXES FOR A LOT OF OUR, OUR CITIZENS.

UM, THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT, UM, STARTING THIS YEAR OFF, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE AND LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR OUR EMPLOYEES FOR IT.

WE'VE GOT A BUDGET SESSION COMING UP AND TO TRY TO AT LEAST GIVE OUR S OUR EMPLOYEES A BIGGER RANGE THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST.

UM, OUR EMPLOYEES WERE REALLY HARD FOR US, AS I SAID, MANY TIMES THEY ARE OUR BACKBONE AND WITHOUT THEM, WE COULD NOT DO WHAT WE DO HERE AT THE CITY.

SO I JUST WANT THIS BOARD DOES TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO FOR OUR, OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES FOR THIS UPCOMING BUDGET SEASON.

AND THAT'S IT, SIR.