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BE THE APPOINTED

[1. Opening of Meeting with Roll Call]

TIME ACROSS THE MEETING.

CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? SO YEAH, CERTAINLY.

UM, DR.

RUTH COX CARESSA TRIP, YOUR EAR, JIM BUSY.

JOHN BLACKWELDER IS ABSENT.

YOU BROADWAY, TONY BRIAN HERE, ELLEN SHERIDAN, AND THAT STONE HERE AND CANDICE SULLIVAN.

WE HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I CALL FOR A MOTION TO

[2. Approval of Minutes of Previous Meeting(s)]

DISPENSE WITH THE READING OF THE MINUTES THAT WE HAVE SECOND.

ALRIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE, OPPOSED HEARING THE, I CALL IT GONNA CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

SO MOVE TO THE SECOND, SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED HEARING NONE? THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION

[3A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process]

COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEWBURGH BOARD OF OLIN.

IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND PSYCH GUARDING LIBRAS FIFTH LOCALLY, DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED ON US DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, CITY ORDINANCES, AND THEN YOU BURNED TO THE STORE GUIDELINES.

TWO OF THE MAJOR TASKS OF THE HBC INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT.

THANKS PC HALLS LIKE PLAZA JUDICIAL HEARING ON AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION HERE SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT BY PARTIES WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING.

HOW ABOUT OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE APPLICATION? THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES, HEARSAY, OR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONER SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES ARE HERE.

SAY DURING THE HEARING THE COMMISSION'S DECISIONS ON AN APP, A PATIENT IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

CAN WE HAVE THE SWEARING IN OF ANY PERSONS WHO ARE GOING TO PRESENT TONIGHT? YES.

ONE MOMENT.

SO ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO TESTIFY, YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD.

LAST TIME.

WHO IS THAT? LET'S DO IT AGAIN.

OKAY.

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YEAH.

WHICH MUST HAVE STOPPED BY TO DROP OFF A LETTER.

SO HERE IS A SUMMARY OF HOW WE WILL PROCEED THE HB.

SO YOU COMMISSIONER PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE COA APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT, OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTS THE APPLICATION PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS TO RECEIVE.

NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.

WE BOTTLE IT'S ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS, THE RECEIVED NOTES, OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.

THE HIGH-SPEED CITY COMMISSIONER PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION.

COMMISSIONERS, DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WITH STATED FINDINGS OF THAT.

THE MOTION IS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION.

THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A BOAT ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION.

ACLA CAN BE APPROVED, APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS ARE DENIED.

SO LET US GO TO

[3B. 211 Johnson St. – to include a landscape plan in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs.]

THE FIRST APPLICATION.

OKAY.

OUR FIRST APPLICATION FOR THIS EVENING FOR 2, 1, 1 JOHNSON STREET, THERE WE GO.

AND THIS IS THE, UH, APPLICATION HERE CAN SEE ALL THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND IT'S BEEN SIGNED AND DATED, UH, BY THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE WHO IS MS. TESSA O'REGAN.

AND THAT WAS HER AUTHORIZATION FORM.

AND HERE WE HAVE THE, UM, THE PROJECT IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, FOR LANDSCAPING, THE REAR YARD OF TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET.

AND THIS IS THE PLAN WHICH SHOWS THE PLANTING.

UH, SO THE TOP OF THE PAGE IS THE, IS THE STREET JOHNSON STREET.

UH, AND THE RESIDENTS HAD WAS, UH, UH, SUBJECT OF AN EXPANSION PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED EARLIER.

AND THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING FORT.

SO AT THE VERY TOP CLOSEST TO THE STREET, I GUESS WE SHOULD POINT OUT, UH, THERE ARE PLANTS SHOWN ALONG THE PERIMETER OR ALONG THE FOUNDATION OF THE EXISTING, UH, HISTORICS, UH, PORTION OF THE HOUSE.

THEN ALSO, UH, THE TOP OF THE, UM, PATIO OR A TERRORIST AREA AT THE TOP, THIS BIG, LARGE RECTANGLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE POOL.

AND WE'RE SHOWING TRAVERTINE PAVING.

AND THEN, UH, SOME ZOYSIA GRASS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE POOL AND THE TRAVERTINE CONTINUES DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE GARAGE AT THE BOTTOM.

UH, AND THEN, UH, ALONG THE HISTORIC KITCHEN AND THE NEW ADDITION, UH, THERE ARE OTHER PLANTINGS SHOWN HERE AS WELL.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE POOL, SOME NEW PLANTINGS AT THE END OF THE POOL, THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY IS EXISTING MATERIAL.

UH, AND THEN IN THIS LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SOME, UH, AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF PLANTINGS IN THIS AREA, UH, BORDERED ALONG THE DRIVEWAY WITH SOME ZOYSIA GRASS AGAIN,

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AND THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE, UM, UH, ADJACENT TO THE GARAGE OR PLANTINGS AT THE END OF THE GARAGE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE GARAGE, AND THEN OUT TO THE, ALONG THE DRIVEWAY, UP TO THE, UH, GATE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DRIVEWAY.

UH, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE IN A MINUTE, SOME OF THAT IN A MINUTE, AND HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE TRAVERTINE PAVING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AFRICANS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO PROVIDED A TREE REMOVAL PLAN AS WELL, CONSIDERING THEY'RE QUITE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TREES THAT ARE TO BE REMOVED ALONG WITH THIS PLAN, MOSTLY DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE POOL.

UH, BUT ALSO, UH, BECAUSE THE W THERE WOULD OTHERWISE BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALKWAY UP AT THE TOP HERE.

UM, AND THE, UH, THE TREE HERE FOR THE ADDITION, UH, WAS ALREADY ESSENTIALLY APPROVED BY THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL.

THEN DOWN AT THE BOTTOM HERE, WE HAVE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW PLANTINGS, BUT ALSO, UH, SHOWN ARE SOME REMOVALS.

THERE'S ONE AT THE END OF THE GARAGE RIGHT HERE, UH, SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA, RIGHT.

AND THEN ALSO ALONG THE DRIVEWAY AS A RIVER BIRCH, RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY.

AND WE'LL SEE THAT IN A SECOND TOO, AND THEN A KIND OF A ROW OR, UH, A NUMBER OF, UH, PLANTS ALONG IN THIS, ALONG THIS, UH, I GUESS SOUTHEAST EDGE OR THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO, UM, FOR THE TWO MORE SIGNIFICANT TREES, UH, THE MAGNOLIA SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA, THIS IS THE ARBORIST REPORT, UM, RECOMMENDING REMOVAL OF THAT.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL ALSO SEE WHY.

NO, WE WON'T.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND ONE HERE FOR THE RIVER BIRCH AS WELL, AND NO FOR WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE PHOTOS FOR THOSE.

UM, IF YOU WANT, I CAN PULL THEM UP.

I BELIEVE I HAVE THEM RIGHT ON THIS COMPUTER.

UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT THOSE, BUT AGAIN, BE, UM, ARBORIST RECOMMENDED REMOVAL OF THE RIVER BIRCH AS WELL.

UM, THEN WE HAVE THE ZONING AND INSPECTION REVIEW AND THEY BOTH THE ZONING, SORRY, THIS IS REALLY AWKWARD AROUND LIKE THIS.

UM, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE.

AND CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL NOT REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE READY FOR A RECOMMENDATIONS, UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO PULL UP SOME OF THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT, UH, I MUST HAVE, UH, ELSEWHERE.

OKAY.

DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO PRESENT ANYTHING? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WELL, DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? OKAY.

YEAH.

LET ME ASK THAT.

ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? YES, I LIVE WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF IT.

OKAY.

SO, SO I'VE ACCUSED MYSELF.

OKAY.

WELL, YOU NEED A MOTION.

HE HAS SOME GETTING READY TO ASK.

SORRY, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE? DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

OKAY.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE APPLICATION? OKAY.

DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO PRESENT ANYTHING APPLICANT HERE IS THAT YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENTS? ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED OPPONENTS? OKAY.

DO YOU WISH TO SPEED? YES.

DID YOU GET SWORN IN, SO YOU NEED TO COME AND GET SWORN IN AND SIGN IN SO YOU COULD SPEAK

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YEAH.

THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS, UH, UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE MAGNOLIA, AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SEE IT GO.

UH, IT IS OFF TO HOPEFULLY CLOSE TO THE BUILDING.

IT'S ALMOST TOUCHING THE BUILDING.

SO UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE RIVER BIRCH.

UM, THE RIVER BIRCH HAS TWO TRUNKS.

ONE GOES STRAIGHT.

THE OTHER ONE KIND OF GOES OVER THE DRIVEWAY.

AND MY QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED TO TAKE OUT THE ENTIRE TREE? COULD, COULD WE JUST NOT TAKE OUT THE ONE THAT LEANS OVER THE DRIVEWAY? THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE.

OKAY.

SO I CAN AT LEAST ANSWER WITH WHAT THE, UM, WITH WHAT THE, UH, CERTIFIED ARBORISTS THAT MAKE THIS LARGER SO THIS IS REGARDING THE RIVER BIRCH.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT HERE, IT SAYS RIVER BIRCH.

UM, AND, UH, LET'S SEE, FIRST IT TALKS ABOUT TARGET.

UH, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY AND HOMEOWNERS, AND IF THERE'S ANY PROTECTION TO THEM, NO.

IN BOTH CASES, UM, THE AMOUNT OF THEN, UH, THE, IF THE TARGET IS WITHIN THE DRIP LINE, THEY CHECKED THAT OFF FOR BOTH DRIVEWAY AND HOMEOWNERS.

THEN WITH REGARD TO HOW OFTEN THAT IS A, UH, AN ISSUE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY IS CONSTANTLY AN ISSUE.

IT IS CONSTANTLY A TARGET AND THE HOMEOWNERS ARE OCCASIONALLY A TARGET, UH, THEN PREDICTED TO, UH, PREDICTED TO MOVE TARGET.

YOU CAN'T MOVE THE DRIVEWAY NOR THE HOMEOWNERS AND RELOCATION PRACTICAL.

UM, THEY RESPONDED NO TO BOAT.

SO THEN HISTORY OF FAILURES THAT WERE NONE, UH, LET'S GO TO SOME MORE, UM, RELEVANT ITEMS THAT ARE HERE.

UM, THERE WAS NO KNOWN PESTS OR BIOTIC CONDITIONS.

UM, SO LET'S SEE DESCRIBES THE CROWN AND BRANCHES THAT DESCRIBES THE TRUNK, THE ROOTS AND THE ROOT COLOR.

SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRUNK, DOES THE MAGNOLIA, RIGHT? IT HAS CO-DOMINANT STEMS. SO MULTIPLE STABBINGS, UH, HAS INCLUDED BARK IS WHAT THEY NOTED HERE.

UH, THEN FOR ROOTS AND ROOT COLOR, UH, SOME KIND OF GIRDING STERN, BIRDING STEM, GIRDING, I GUESS, IS WHAT IT IS.

UH, AND THEN IT HAS NOTES.

THE CONDITIONS OF CONCERN IS THE ROOTS ARE LIFTING.

THE DRIVEWAY AND PRUNING WOULD BE, WOULD BE TOO CLOSE TO THE TRUNK TO PRUNE IT BACK.

UH, SO, UH, THEN WE'RE TALKING AGAIN ABOUT THE TARGETS, UM, AND FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND THE OWNERS, WE HAVE LIMBS AND THE LIMBS ARE KNOWN TO FALL.

UH, THE LIKELIHOOD OF FAILURE IS, UH, CAN'T READ THAT THE FIRST ONE SECOND FOR IMPACT IS HIGH FOR FAILURE AND IMPACT, UH, FROM A MATRIX, UH, IS LIKELY, SO THAT FIRST COLUMN IS PROBABLE.

THANK YOU, PROBABLE, UH, THEN CONSEQUENCES.

UM, I'M GOING TO, CAN YOU HELP ON THAT ONE TOO? I CAN'T QUITE MAKE THAT OUT.

UM, LET'S MAKE IT LARGER.

LET'S SEE.

OH, SO THE WORST CASE WOULD BE SEVERE SIGNIFICANCE, LOOM, MODERATE, MAYBE, AND SIGNIFICANT FOR, UH, HOMEOWNERS.

AND, UH, SO THE RISK RATING, UH, FROM MATRIX TWO IS THE RISK TO THE DRIVEWAY IS MEDIUM.

AND TO

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OWNERS IS HIGH.

THEN THERE'S A NOTE HERE IN THE CIRCLE, BIRCH AND CHERRY LAURELS SHOULD BE REMOVED.

BIRCH DAMAGING DRIVEWAY.

CHERRY LAURELS WILL RESTORED THE GROWTH OF FUTURE, OH, STRICTLY RESTRICT OR RETARD, THE GROWTH OF FUTURE AND MORE DESIRABLE TREES.

AND MATT, ARE WE DEALING WITH JUST THE TWO TREES THAT ARE LISTED IN MAGNOLIA AND THE RIPPER BIRCH, ARE WE GOING OVER TO THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REPLACED FOR THE SWIMMING POOLS ARE THE TWO.

WE HAVE THE REPORTS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE CERTIFIED ARBORIST.

UM, THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE OTHERS.

AND THAT MAY BE SOMEWHAT DEBATABLE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEIR TREES ARE NOT.

SO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SEEN BY THE ARBORS.

THEY WILL COME UP PLAY AT A LATER TIME.

UM, IF YOU WANT, WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAN I CAN ANSWER AT THIS POINT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

UM, HOW DO WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT? SO THE HOMEOWNER IS HERE, THE APPLICANT APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE YOUR REPRESENTATIVE.

CAN YOU ANSWER ANY OF HER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

CAN YOU COME FORWARD AND ANSWER THEM? THANK YOU, TESSA.

I SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE OPERA SCHOOL EXACT QUESTION PEGGY, ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD SAVE ONE OF THE BOWELS OF THE RIVER BIRCH.

SO IT HAS TWO TRUNKS THAT SORT OF ONE GOES OVER THE DRIVEWAY.

AND THE OTHER ONE LEANS TOWARDS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTIES, UM, IN ORDER TO SOLVE THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE WITH THE ROOF, THE BACKING OF THE ROOTS, BECAUSE THE RIVER BIRCH IS PLANTED SO CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY, ROOT PRUNING IS, IS NOT AN OPTION BECAUSE IT WOULD SEVERELY WEAKEN AND DAMAGE THE TREE.

SO IF YOU THINK OF THE DRIVEWAY BEING, YEAH, AND THE BIRCH IS RIGHT HERE AND IT'S RIGHT BUTTED UP AGAINST THE DRIVEWAY, WE HAVE TO TRY AND IMPROVE THESE ROUTES ON THIS SIDE TO PREVENT THEM FROM BATTING THE DRIVEWAY.

THE TREE IS GOING TO HAVE NO ANCHOR IN THE GROUND, AND IT'S LITERALLY GOING TO FALL UNDER THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE ARBORS WAS MOST CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BEAUTIFUL WALL AND THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ON THAT SIDE.

AND I CAN ACCEPT THAT, BUT MY QUESTION IS, ARE THOSE THE ONLY TWO TREES WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT? THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO.

I MEAN, ALL OF THESE TREES ON THE TREE REMOVAL LIST NEED TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TO TAKE PLACE IN THE POOL TO BE INSTALLED AND PAVING TO BE THEMSELVES.

OKAY.

AND MATT, WHEN YOU SENT THIS OUT, YOU ALSO INCLUDED THE, UH, READING, UH, FROM, UH, JOB JOHN WOOD.

AND HE SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT ANY TREES THAT ARE REMOVED SHOULD BE REPLACED BY A TREE THAT WOULD REACH THE SAME HEIGHT OR THE SAME CANOPY.

SO, UH, TESSA, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THOSE TWO, THE TWO TREES.

SO, UM, ON MY TREE REMOVAL PLAN, WHICH WAS THE SECOND WE COULD PULL THAT UP.

SURE.

OOPS.

ONE THE WRONG WAY.

YEAH.

SO THEY'VE GOT A BRA WITH EXACTLY THE, THAT I'M PUTTING OFF AND HOW MANY TREES ARE THINKING WITH THIS, THAT ONE THAT'S ON THE BOTTOM THERE.

UM, I THINK WE ARE ON PLOTTING 2019.

I'M MOVING 19.

ARE YOU PUTTING 21 TREES? SOME OF THEM THAT REACH THE SAME.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, AND IN THAT GRAPHIC THAT YOU COMPARE APPLES WITH APPLES, QUICK EXAMPLE WERE MOVING THREE ITALIAN CYPRUS.

UM, YOU WERE PACING THEM WITH THREE ABI KEYS THAT ARE VERY FEMININE SHAPES AND STUFF.

UM, I THOUGHT THAT THE RIVERBOAT IN A CHERRY TREE RIVER BIRCH GETS TO ABOUT 30 FEET TALL AND 40 FEET WIDE.

UM, CHERRY TREES GET TO 30 BY 30, AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH ONE FOR ONE IN THAT BACK.

EXCELLENT.

AND ALONG THE BRICK WALL NEXT TO WHAT USED TO BE THE STARTS MAN'S HOUSE.

NOW IT'S IN MCCLELLAN'S.

ARE YOU GOING TO REMOVE THOSE TREES? THEY WEREN'T REALLY, ALONG THERE, THERE ARE TWO, UM,

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CHERRIES AND, UM, SAY THE PHOTOGRAPH TO MATCH OF THOSE BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM GO TO THE WAY THE TREES ARE IN A WAY FROM THE WAR.

THEY VERY, HOLY, I MEAN, ONE HAS A PROCESS, AN OLD DAMAGED TRUNK AND LIVE TISSUES HAVE SHUT UP.

THEY'RE REALLY NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE TO YOU.

UM, BUT THEY ARE GETTING IN TOWARDS WHERE THE FUTURE CHARITIES WOULD BE.

AND OUR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THAT THEY WOULD BE INSUFFICIENT SUNLIFE BECAUSE OF THE TWO CARRY LAWS FOR THE THREE CHARITIES.

IF I, IF I MAY INTERRUPT FOR A MOMENT, I HAVE, UH, NOW ROTATED THE DRAWING.

SO WE CAN READ THAT CHART.

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT WAS THE 19 TREES REMOVED AND 29 BEING PLANTED.

UH, AND THESE ARE THE ONE FOR ONES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO THE ITALIAN CYPRESS FOR THREE OF THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE BEING REPLACED BY NINE ARBORVITAES, ET CETERA.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN, SORRY, YOU WANTED ME, I CAN SHOW YOU THE, UM, THE OTHER EXAMPLE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE, RIGHT? THE MAGNOLIA WITH A Y, WHICH IS A, UM, SO THE SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA IS BEING REPLACED BY A WHITE OAK, WHICH IS A CANOPY TREE.

IT GROWS VERY LARGE.

IT GETS TO ABOUT 60 TO A HUNDRED FEET BY 60 FEET WIDE.

UM, THEY ARE ALREADY TWO BEAUTIFUL EXISTING KIND OF REPRIEVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO PECANS.

THE ONE WE KEEPING, UM, I GUESS THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER COMMENT IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S YARD.

THAT'S AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL WAY OF A HUNDRED FEET.

SO THEY ARE TWO EXISTING BEAUTIFUL CANOPY TREES, AND THEN THE OAK WILL JOIN US.

VERY GOOD.

VERY GOOD.

AND THEN THESE ARE THE OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS I DID FIND THEM, UH, UH, THIS IS THE RIVER BIRCH AND, UH, THE PREVIOUS PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS HOW IT'S, UM, UH, UH, UPLIFTING THE DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER TREES THAT YOU WOULD, OR WISHES OR PLANTS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.

UM, THE ONE ON THIS ONE ON THE LEFT, THAT'S MORE LIKE A POPSICLE, RIGHT? THAT ONE'S THE VIBURNUM CORRECT.

AND THEN THE ONE THAT'S MUCH MORE LEGGY IN THE MIDDLE OF, OR TO THE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE IS THE FIG TREE, UH, APPARENTLY KIND OF A YOUNG ONE OR NOT FULLY MATURED.

UH, AND THEN THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS THE BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE TWO CHERRY LAURELS, WHICH ARE THESE, UM, ONE ON THE LEFT IS QUITE A BIT SMALLER.

THE ONE ON THE RIGHT I BELIEVE IS, IS BIGGER.

UM, AND THOSE WILL BE REPLACED WITH KWANZAN CHERRY TREES.

UH, AND THEN THIS, UH, BRIGHTLY COLORED SMALL ONE IS THE CYPRESS TREE THAT WOULD BE SIMPLY TRANSPLANTED.

ALL RIGHT.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THAT IN THE PRESENTATION TO BEGIN WITH.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

DO WE HAVE A, UM, PLAN FOR WHERE ALL THE NUTRIENTS ARE GOING TO GO? SO THIS IS A PLAN FOR WHERE ALL THE TREES ARE BEING TAKEN UP.

DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF WHERE ALL THE NUTRIENTS ARE GOING TO BE? YES, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THIS FIRST ONE HERE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE POOL AND EVERYTHING.

SO, UM, WE CAN GO BACK NOW BECAUSE WE'VE NOW HAD THAT LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION TO CLARIFY.

UM, SO WE GO PAST THE POOL AND DOWN TO THE GARAGE ON THE LEFT.

AND SO THE, A WHITE OAK IS THIS GREAT BIG ONE HERE THAT IS, UH, TO REPLACE THE, UM, SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA THAT WAS OVER HERE IN THIS VERY TIGHT AREA BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, THESE, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ON THE RIGHT HERE.

WHAT, WHAT KIND ARE THEY? UH, SOME KIND OF STEPHEN HOLLY.

YEAH, NAVY STEVENS.

THEY GET VERY BIG, THEY GET, BUT THEY'RE CYLINDRICAL IN SHAPE AND WE ARE REMOVING FOUR HOTTIES, UM, WHERE THE NEW MASTER BEDROOM EXTENSION IT'S GOING TO BE.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF ONE-TO-ONE.

OKAY.

AND THEN THERE'S THREE LARGER TREES IN FRONT OF THOSE.

THOSE ARE THE KWONS ON CHERRIES THAT WE MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS PHOTOGRAPH.

THEN THERE IS A ROW ALONG THE BOTTOM HERE

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OF THE YELLOW RIBBON ARBORVITAES AND THEN BEHIND THOSE AND ALONG THE FENCE ARE, UH, FIVE VIBURNUM JINDO, UM, VIBURNUMS THAT WERE ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER.

UH, LET'S SEE, THE REST ARE SMALLER SHRUBS, UM, AND GRASSES, AND THOSE ARE THE TREES, UH, UH, ALSO DIMENSION THESE, UH, THESE THREE HERE ARE ALSO, UM, WHAT PEAR TREES, CORRECT BEACH.

SORRY.

UH, AND THAT'S WHY SHE, SHE PROVIDED THIS, UH, PHOTOGRAPH HERE TO SHOW, UM, THAT THEY WILL BE PRUNED IN KIND OF A, UH, UM, UH, SQUARE SHAPE OR RECTANGULAR SHAPE, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S KIND OF SHOWN ON THE PLAN BLEACHED.

OKAY.

UH, PEGGY, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO ASK? UM, NOT FROM TESSA, JUST COMMENT.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO GET THIS OUT THERE.

UM, AT ONE TIME WHEN NEWBERN HAD A TREE COMMISSION TREE SLASH BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION, PARKS, AND REC WHO, WHO IS IN CHARGE OF IT AT THAT, UH, PRE ANY PRE REMOVALS AT THAT TIME WOULD SEND AN ARM OF THE ARBORIST TO DETERMINE IF A TREE NEEDED TO COME DOWN.

THAT'S BEEN CHANGED.

AND NOW THE PERSON WHO HAS TO PAY FOR AN ARBORIST TO COME, MY CONCERN IS, AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TESSA.

MY CONCERN IS THAT IF THE ARBORIST COMES OUT AND HE KNOWS THAT THIS PERSON IS PAYING THEM AND THEY, AND HE KNOWS WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES HE'S GONNA SAY, NO, YOU NEED TO KEEP THIS TREE.

AND TO ME, THAT GREATLY AFFECTS THE CANOPY IN NEWBURGH.

AND ONE OF OUR GREATEST GRANTED RESOURCES IS OUR, OUR TREES.

AND, UM, I COMMEND MATT FOR REPLACING AS MANY AS HE CAN, BUT PLEASE BE AWARE THAT WHEN A, SOMEONE HIRES AN ARBORIST, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THAT INTERESTED IN THE TREE.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN BEING PAID.

THAT'S, THAT'S A PERSONAL OPINION, BUT IT SHOWS MANKIND.

IF I MAY, IF I MAY INTERRUPT, UH, THE, THIS IS WHY WE, UH, A CERTIFIED ARBORIST AND THEY GET PAID, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT, BUT THEY WANT TO PLEASE SOMEONE.

SO THEY RECOMMEND THEM FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

I MEAN, I'M GOING TO STOP YOU THERE, CAUSE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT.

AND I KNOW YOUR CONCERN, AND PERHAPS WE CAN BRING THIS UP AT DESIGN REVIEW IS AN ITEM IN DESIGN REVIEW TO SEE WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING OUR COMMISSION CAN DO ABOUT THAT AND LEGITIMATE CONCERN.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND, UM, THE GOOD JOB.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE NOW TWO OPPONENTS.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANYBODY WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE THAT HAS STANDING OUT IN THE AUDIENCE? I DON'T HEAR THAT.

OKAY.

SO SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US STAFF FINDINGS? UH, PEGGY, PEGGY, YOU STILL NEED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS.

YOU STAY OUT THERE UNTIL WE'LL FINISH.

THANK YOU.

WE'LL KEEP YOU SEE POINT.

I APPRECIATE YOU ALL GO THERE.

WE WON'T BE INJURED.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE TO STANDING STAR THEFT FINDINGS.

THERE WE GO.

THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, ALL RIGHT.

THAT MIGHT BE LEGIBLE.

RIGHT? SO, UH, HERE ON RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, APPLICATION FOR MR. MS. DOUGLAS, TOWNSEND AND TESSA O'REGAN, UH, THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET IN NEWBURN TWO 11 JOHNSON STREET PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY INFORMATION IS THE PROPER HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE MITCHELL STEVENSON HOUSE BUILT CIRCA 1800 TO 1805.

AND I GUESS REMODELED IN 1830 TO 1840, UH, THE STATUS IS IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE DESCRIPTION FROM THE HISTORIC REGISTER INVENTORY IS TWO STORIES.

UH, THE BUILDING IS TWO STORIES, FOUR BAYS, WIDE EXTERIOR, AND CHIMNEYS

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CABLE, AND ROOFS, ATTIC DORMERS, AND THE SAND BECK DESCRIPTION OF EXCERPTED THINGS THAT ARE, THERE'S ALMOST NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT LANDSCAPING, BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT THAT MAY PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT ABOUT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY.

JOSHUA MITCHELL, I RESPECTED NEWBURN BRICK.

MASON HAD THIS HOUSE CONSTRUCTED.

MITCHELL WAS DESCRIBED AS A MASTER WORKMAN WHO MADE MANY OF THE BRICK HOUSES AND CHIMNEYS ERECTED IN TOWN.

THE LARGE TWO-STORY REAR L WAS ADDED DURING THE 20TH CENTURY, CONNECTING THE HOUSE TO ITS ORIGINAL, BUT MUCH ALTERED KITCHEN AND EARLY 19TH CENTURY TWO-STORY PORCH SHELTERS, THE REAR ELEVATION.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.1 2.4 0.3, 2.4 0.4 AND 2.4 0.7 STATEMENTS.

A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.

THE SITE IS CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THE TYPE WE'VE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL IS A LANDSCAPING PROJECT, BUT THEN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABC'S THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND FIVE OF THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION, APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS EVIDENCE OF TESTIMONY FROM THE STATE CITY OR GOVERNMENT AND OUR AUDIENCE SEEING NONE? SO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? ALL RIGHT.

SO NOW ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS? DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE? SEEING NONE SHAKING HIM? NO.

ON THIS SIDE HEARING NONE.

OKAY.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN SOME HAVE EMOTION? WHAT'S THAT? CANDICE? THAT THIS NOT YET.

OKAY.

SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND CHAIR AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE MOTION WAS.

THAT WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE, APPROVE THE APPLICATION.

I THINK WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT YEAH, SO NORMALLY THE MOTION WOULD BE, UH, TO FIND THE APPLICATION EITHER IN CONGRUENCE OR IN CONGRESS WITH THE NEWBORN'S CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND THEN GO AND LIST THE, UH, GUIDELINES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I MOVED, WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A GET APPROPRIATE YES.

FOR, TO LET A JOHNSON STREET TO BE NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NUMEROUS COURT CODE OF ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 41, 11 TO FIFTEEN, FOUR TWENTY NINE AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.1 2.4 0.3, 2.4 0.4 2.4 0.7.

STATEMENTS OF REASON THE SITE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE TYPE WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN PROPOSAL IS A LANDSCAPING PROJECT WITHIN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY.

AVCS THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

IT'S ONLY ADMINISTRATIVE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY PROJECT IS NOT CONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

SAY, DID WE HEAR IN YOUR POST? NOT OPPOSED.

OKAY.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA SUBMIT? SO LUKE, OVER HERE, IS THERE A SECOND SECOND ON THIS? UH, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

DO I HEAR ANY OPPOSED HERE? NOT IT PASSES.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

CAN WE HAVE A BUTTON FOR US TO RECLAIM PIG? I HAVE MOVED DOWN HERE.

SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.

OVER HERE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

PLEASE JOIN US AGAIN.

OKAY.

CAN

[3C. 302 Broad St. – to include application of a masonry water repellant in all AVCs.]

WE HAVE THREE OF TWO BROAD STREET? OKAY.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED ABOUT THAT OPTION THERE?

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OKAY.

SO THREE OF TWO BROAD STREET, THIS IS THE APPLICATION WITH THE VARIOUS, UH, ITEMS INCLUDED ON THE APPLICATION AND THEN THE SIGNATURE AND DATE.

UH, THIS HOWEVER IS AN ITEM THAT, UH, WAS, UH, REQUESTED TO BE, UH, CONTINUED TO THE FEBRUARY 16, 20, 22 MEETING.

UH, SO AS TO BE CONTINUED, UH, SO IN ORDER TO EFFECT THAT WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THAT MEETING AT THAT TIME AND THEN THIS PLACE.

AND THAT IS, UH, THAT IS IN THE TIMEFRAME OF FRAME OF OUR GUIDELINES, RIGHT? CORRECT.

WE HAVE UNTIL MARCH, WE HAVE UNTIL MARCH TO ACT, I MEAN, APRIL WAS THE DEADLINE, BUT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO ACT BY THE MARCH MEETING.

SO MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, UM, AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT THAT WE CONTINUE THE APPLICATION FOR 3 0 2 BROAD STREET UNTIL FEBRUARY 16TH, 2022 IN THE COURTROOM OF CITY HALL.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE AT FIVE 30, GOT 30 PM.

YES.

OKAY.

WE HAVE A SECOND OVER HERE ON THE LEFT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

WE WILL CONTINUE THIS TO OUR FEBRUARY, UH, REGULAR MEETING.

OKAY.

NOW WE HAVE 2 21

[3D. 221 S. Front St. – to include a 1-story addition and site modifications on the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs]

SOUTH FRONT STREET, MADAM CHAIR.

I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTERESTS FOR BOTH, UH, 2 21 FRONT STREET, AS WELL AS NEXT APPLICATION, TWO 11 POLLOCK STREET.

UH, MY OFFICE REPRESENTS BOTH THOSE CLIENTS.

AND THANK YOU.

CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO EXCUSE THE VICE-CHAIR MOTION OVER HERE? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND TO SECOND? PEGGY WAS SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

OKAY.

I DO I HEAR IN YOUR POST HEARING NONI PASSES.

SO WE'LL LET YOU SIT OUT FRONT FOR A LITTLE BIT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO NEEDS TO REFUTE? NO.

NO.

OKAY.

SO CAN WE START THEN WITH 2 21 SOUTH CRUNCH STREET? YES.

UH, WE SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE, UH, FIRST PAGE OF THE APPLICATION, UH, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

UM, OKAY.

UH, LET ME SEE.

IT'S BEEN, ALL THE ITEMS HAVE BEEN FILLED OUT HERE AND WE HAVE A SIGNATURE ON A DATE AT THE BOTTOM, UH, BY THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE WHO IS MBF ARCHITECTS, UM, UH, AND MR. YOUR, IT WILL BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, UH, AND, UH, THEIR COVER SHEET INCLUDES SOME, UH, OTHER INFORMATION THAT WASN'T SHOWN IN THE APPLICATION SUCH AS, UH, UH, WOOD DOORS AND WINDOWS, TRUE DIVIDED, LIGHT WOOD, PAINTED, UH, WOOD, OVERHEAD DOORS, WOOD PAINTED BRICK, MASONRY BOARD, AND BATTEN WOOD SIDING, WOOD PAINTED.

SO THEN, UH, THAT WOULD GO TO FIRST PAGE OF THE DRAWINGS AND WE SEE AN AERIAL VIEW HERE AND THEY'RE POINTING OUT THE LOCATION OF THE SITE AND THEN ENLARGING THAT OVER HERE ON THE RIGHT WITH THEIR DRAWING OF THE SITE.

AND I WILL NOW GO BACK TO THE LARGER VIEW.

SORRY, WE CAN SEE WHAT'S THERE.

SO HERE WE GO.

SO THE STREET IS AT THE TOP, UH, AND THE, UH, HISTORIC HARVEY MANSION BUILDING IS THIS RECTANGLE HERE OR THIS PAIR OF RECTANGLES HERE, UH, EVIDENCED BY THE FOUR CHIMNEYS.

UH, AND THEN THE, UH, PROJECT IS, UH, BASICALLY ALL THE REST OF THE SITE, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, A WRAPAROUND ADDITION HERE.

THESE ARE THE ROOFS FOR THAT.

THERE'S ALSO A REAR, UH, DECK AREA.

AND THEN, UH, THE GRAY AREAS ARE WALKWAYS ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE, UH, ALSO ALONG THE SOUTHERN SIDE AND THEN THE OTHER GRAY AREAS UPPER, RIGHT, OR THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THE, UH, FOR THE ENTRYWAY TO THE, UM, ADDITION, THE ADDITION IS A RESTAURANT, UH, AND WE'LL SEE SOME OF THIS IN MORE DETAIL BELOW.

SO, UH, LET'S UH, OKAY, SO HERE'S A ENLARGED, UH, PLAN

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WITH, UH, MORE DETAIL AND MORE INFORMATION.

SORRY.

SO, UM, WHAT IT INDICATES HERE, LET'S START IN THE UPPER, RIGHT.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, GREASE, GREASE TRAP ACCESSES HERE, UH, IN THE PAVING.

WE HAVE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, UH, ON THE ENTRY WAY.

WE HAVE A MEMBRANE GROUPS, UH, ON ALL THESE OTHER ROOFS, EXCEPT FOR THIS, UH, RECTANGLE HERE, WHICH IS A BARREL VAULTED OR A ROUND ROOF, A FLAT LOCK SEAM METAL ROOF.

UH, THEN WHAT WE ALSO SEE ON THE LEFT IS SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING AND SUCH ALONG THIS WALKWAY, UH, THERE A, UH, ELEMENT IN THE CIRCLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CIRCLE AS WELL.

UM, ALSO TO NOTE IS A HANDICAP RAMP HERE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER, WHICH I FORGOT TO MENTION ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER IS ANOTHER HANDICAPPED RAMP COMING UP ALONG THE SIDE, ON THE EAST SIDE, THE NORTHEAST CORNER PROJECT.

AND THEN AT THE VERY BOTTOM AND THE VERY LOWER LEFT SOUTHWEST CORNER, WE HAVE THE MASONRY DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, WHICH OPENS OUT TO THE SOUTH AND THE WALKWAY CONTINUES OUT TO THE ROADWAY ALONG THE SOUTHERN, UH, EDGE.

UH, AND WHAT I SHOULD ALSO NOTE HERE IS WHERE IT SHOWS MULCH.

THERE'S ALSO A WHOLE SERIES OF SHRUBS ALONG HERE, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A TERRORIST GARDEN.

SO THAT IS A COUPLE OF FEET UP ABOVE THE GROUND, ABOVE THE WALKWAY THAT'S ALONG THE BACK.

AND THEN, UH, BEHIND THAT OR TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT ALONG THE EDGE OF THE DECK IS A, UM, TALL WALL.

NO ONE GO TO THE ELEVATIONS, THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

SO LOOKING FROM THAT PARKING AREA, ESSENTIALLY BACK TOWARDS THE BUILDING, UH, THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THAT, UH, WHAT THAT, UH, DUMPSTER WALL AND THEN, UH, WHERE THE PARKING SPACES, UH, WE'LL PULL UP TO THE DRIVE, UH, TO WALKWAY THERE'S THAT, UH, SMALL TERRORIST WALL HERE AND THEN THE TALL WALL BEHIND THAT, AND THEN BEHIND THAT WALL IS THE DECK.

AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THIS ELEVATION.

WE'LL SEE THAT IN A DIFFERENT ELEVATION AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN SEE MORE INFORMATION.

UM, HERE WE HAVE DETAILS OF THE MAIN ENTRY GATE, UH, THAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, AND THEN SEVERAL OTHER IRON GATES OR, UM, AT OTHER LOCATIONS AROUND THE PROPERTY.

AND THIS GIVES YOU A SECTION VIEW OF THAT TERRACE, UH, UM, TERRACE GARDEN AREA, WHERE I WAS MENTIONING, UH, THE TALL WALL WITH THE DECK BEHIND THAT, THE SHRUBS IN FRONT, AND THEN IT'S A TWO FOOT FOUR INCH, UM, GARCON WALL.

SO, UM, THESE ARE EXISTING, UH, ELEVATIONS.

SO THE SOUTH ELEVATION CURRENTLY IT LOOKS LIKE THIS, UH, AND TO NOTE HERE IS, UH, PARTICULARLY THE ARCH WINDOW, EXCUSE ME, OVER THE EXISTING REAR DOOR.

UH, AND THEN, UH, THE REST OF THE FENESTRATION AND THE EXISTING BALCONIES, UH, THEN ON THE STREET SIDE, THE NORTH ELEVATION, UH, IT'S BASICALLY JUST SOME WINDOWS IN THIS CONFIGURATION AND THERE IS, UH, THE ENTRY WAY TO THE TWO PORCHES ON THE SIDE, WHICH ARE TWO ENTRYWAYS, CURRENT ENTRY WAYS AS WELL.

SO ON ONE SIDE, YOU SEE THERE'S THE ENTRY, ONE OF THE ENTRYWAYS I'M MENTIONING, UH, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY EXISTING A, UH, PORCH OR A DECK OUT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN FROM THE OTHER SIDE, UH, AGAIN, SIMILAR, ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME KIND OF THING ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE, IN THIS ELEVATION THAT THE ROAD IS TO THE RIGHT AND THE PARKING AREAS TO THE LEFT, THAT'S EXISTING HERE ON THE SOUTH, THE NEW PROPOSED SOUTH ELEVATION THAT, UM, UH, PREVIOUS ARCHWAY IS EMULATED BY THIS, UH, ARCHED, UH, ROOF AND WINDOW CONFIGURATION HERE FOR THE REAR ENTRY, UH, WHICH IS ALL THIS IS FACING THE REAR DECK AREA.

UH, AND LET'S SEE THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, BALCONIES ARE SHOWN HERE AS WELL.

ALTHOUGH THE TWO ON THE RIGHT HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED SLIGHTLY TO ACCOMMODATE A CERTAIN ASYMMETRY OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING, THEN, UM, WE CAN SEE HERE, SOME OF, UH,

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SOME OF THE MATERIALS ARE BEING SHOWN THE BRICK, UH, BASICALLY, UH, BASE, UH, AND THEN BOARD AND PAT, AND ON TOP, ALL THE DOORS, ALL THE DOORS AND WINDOWS ARE WOOD.

UH, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR OTHERWISE FLAT ROUTES, UH, HERE TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE BARREL.

AND THEN OFF TO THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THE, UH, EXTRA, UH, ENTRYWAY DOES HAVE SOME SEAM ROOFING ON THERE.

LET'S SEE.

OH, AND I GUESS TO NOTE IS ALSO THE, UH, THE ELEVATIONS ABOVE SEA LEVEL, APPROXIMATELY, I GUESS.

SO THAT MAY COME INTO PLAY OR DISCUSSION LATER, THE DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION IS 11.5 FEET.

UM, AND THE GROUND IS CURRENTLY AT SIX FEET.

SO THE NORTH ELEVATION, UH, SO THE STREET SIDE, UH, IS NOW, UH, WE'LL HAVE A NEW ENTRYWAY FOR THE RESTAURANT ON THE LEFT.

SO ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THE GATE AND A WALL THAT'S OUT FRONT, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE ELEVATION INSIDE THAT AREA.

SO SOME STEPS UP TO THE FRONT DOOR AND A RAMP ON THE LEFT.

UM, LET'S SEE IT THE SAME MATERIALS AS I MENTIONED BEFORE.

UM, AND SOME, UH, LOUVERED WOULD SCREEN ON THE RIGHT TO SCREEN THE HPAC UNITS THAT ARE OVER THERE.

SO THAT'S THAT THEN THE SIDE VIEW FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER.

SO THE RIGHTS UP TO THE RIGHT IS OF THE STREET AND UP TO THE LEFT IS THE PARKING.

AND SO HERE WE SEE THE FULL LENGTH OF THAT, UH, ADDITION ON THE SIDE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY, UH, AND ON THE RIGHT HERE, THE WALL IS SLOPING UP BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE RAMP IS.

UH, AND, UM, LET'S SEE THE, I GUESS THE DECK HAS A METAL BALUSTRADE ON THE END HERE.

UH, THERE IS A OVERHEAD DOOR ON THIS SIDE, UM, AND ALSO TO NOTE HERE IS THAT THE ENTRY WAY, UH, THE ROOF DOES EXTEND OVER THE ACTUAL ENTRYWAY ITSELF.

YOU CAN SEE THIS ON THE LEFT HERE WHERE THE TWO WINDOWS ARE AS A SOLID WALL.

WHEREAS, UH, THE WHITE AREA HERE IS ALL OPEN, OPEN SPACE.

UH, AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING HERE AT THE SIDE OF THE HARVEY MANSION BUILDING AND THE EXISTING ENTRYWAY THERE.

UM, ALSO SIGN HERE THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE WEST ELEVATION, UM, A LITTLE BIT LESS DRAMATIC, UH, BUT WE STILL HAVE, UH, THE ADDITION HERE WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN THE WOOD BRACKETS UNDER THE, UH, OVERHANGS, UH, AND A BRICK WALL ON THE RAMP ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THIS IS SOMEONE HAD ASKED ABOUT, UH, GATEWAY ENTRANCE TO THE BASEMENT STAIRWAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OH, OH.

AND THIS IS JUST THE DESIGN ELEVATION.

OKAY.

AND THEN WE HAVE A WHOLE SERIES OF DETAILS HERE WE CAN GET INTO, IF YOU'D LIKE LATER SHOWING RAILINGS AND SCREENS FOR THE TRANSFORMERS.

UH, THEY PROVIDED AGAIN, THE HISTORIC, UH, PHOTOGRAPHIC, UH, BASICALLY HISTORY OF THE, UH, STRUCTURE SINCE THE 18 HUNDREDS OR EVEN 17 HUNDREDS.

WELL, PROBABLY NOT A PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE 17 HUNDREDS.

UH, AND NOW TODAY, UH, CURRENTLY THIS ONE IN THE BOTTOM CENTER, IN THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN AT THE MOMENT, UH, THAT ALSO PROVIDED SOME IMAGES, UH, WITH THE LIGHT FIXTURES WOULD BE A FAILED TO MENTION THAT ON THE ELEVATIONS.

UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE ELEC, UH, LIGHT FIXTURES SCONCES WOULD BE AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN THIS, UM, THIS IS TO REPRESENT, UH, THE STYLE AND CHARACTER OF THE OVERHEAD DOORS, UM, THAT ARE ALSO THROUGHOUT THE, UH, STRUCTURE, THE PROPOSAL.

WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE ON THAT PAGE? NO, LASTLY THEY DID PROVIDE SOME THREE-DIMENSIONAL SKETCH IMAGES SO THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT IT LOOKS

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LIKE.

I'LL MAKE THEM A LITTLE BIT BIGGER HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE COMPARED TO THE MASS OF THE BUILDING OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, AND THE SIZES AND PROPORTIONS OF THE VARIOUS PARTS, THE, UH, REDESIGNED, UH, FRONT ENTRY GATEWAY SINCE THE LAST TIME.

UM, SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPOSAL.

THEN THAT'S FOR THE ENTRY WAY.

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, FROM THE STREET AT THE BOTTOM, THAT WALKWAY, UH, THAT WAS MENTIONED.

AND THEN, UH, IT TOO HAS A, UH, A MASONRY WALL AND GATE.

AND SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND THERE'S A FOCAL ELEMENT AT THAT ROUND AREA.

AND THEN, UH, THE RAMP AT THE BACK, THE, UH, TRASH ENCLOSURE AT THE BACK AS WELL, THE TRANSFORMER AND CLOSURE IS HERE.

UH, AND THERE WAS A THIRD ONE OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE.

ALL RIGHT.

TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA FROM THE BACK.

UH, SO THIS IS THE TRASH ENCLOSURE ON THE LEFT, THE UP TO THE DECK HERE AND THE RAMP ALSO GOING UP HERE, AND THEN THIS SHOWS THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING AND THE, UH, ROUND BARREL BOLTED, UH, ROOF HERE, UH, AND, UH, THE TERRACE GARDEN TERRACE WALL AND THE TALL, UH, BRICK WALL ALONG THE BACK, OR THE PARKING LOT SIDE OF THE DECK, WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED A MORE RECENT HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH, UH, SHOWING THE, UH, PRIOR CONTEXT, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED IN THE EARLIER, UH, UH, APPROVAL, THE BUILDING HAD A HUGE ADDITION OR A THREE STORY ADDITION ON THE BACK PRIOR TO AS BALCONIES, UH, THAT HAVE SINCE BEEN REMOVED, DO NOT EXIST TODAY.

UH, AND ACTUALLY ALMOST EVERYTHING IN THIS PHOTO DOES NOT EXIST TODAY EXCEPT FOR THE HARVEY MANSION ITSELF AND THE, THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, AND MAYBE THE DOWNTOWN BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, ALL THE REST, NO LONGER EXISTS.

UM, BUT THE POINT OF THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE CHARACTER OF THE, UM, OF THE AREA AROUND THE HARVEY MANSION BACK WHEN IT WAS A, UH, A WORKING PEER ENVIRONMENT.

IN FACT, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A, UH, A SHIPYARD DOWN HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE ONE BUILDING HERE, UH, EVEN THE, UH, KIND OF GARAGE DOOR BAY OPENINGS HERE AS WELL.

AND, UH, OTHER SIMILAR BUILDINGS AROUND HERE ON THAT SITE OR RIGHT BEHIND IT.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THAT DOES IT FOR THAT.

UM, THAT BRINGS US TO THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW.

SO FOR THEM, UH, THE ZONING, UH, OFFICER SAYS IT CURRENTLY DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

THE PROPOSED PROJECT MAY OR MAY NOT REDUCE THE EXISTING NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

SO THAT'S, UH, OTHERWISE I'M READY WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO ADD MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? MY NAME IS TRIPP YOUR ON THE PRINCIPLE BMBF ARCHITECTS AND, UH, UH, ONE OF THE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

UM, WANT TO THANK MATT FOR PROVIDING A, A COMPREHENSIVE OVERVIEW OF OUR APPLICATION, MOST OF WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAD SEEN PREVIOUSLY.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, DIGESTED THE FEEDBACK FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW, AND WE HAVE LOWERED THE CLEAR STORY ELEMENT ON THE FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT AND COMBINED THAT WITH A, UM, A SOMEWHAT TALLER, UH, ORNAMENTAL IRON RAILING, AND MADE THAT A BIT MORE TRANSPARENT.

AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE WORK CAUSE THAT'S NEW TO YOU SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST, UH, WELL, THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE WE HAD TAKEN CARE OF HAS ESCAPED MY MIND, BUT WE WILL GET TO IT.

SO, UH, UH, WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

YOU MIGHT HAVE TRUTH OF THE TWO DOORS THAT

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ARE SHOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

ARE THEY ENTRANCE DOORS TO THE RESTAURANT? YEAH.

UH, I SEE THE, WELL, THERE, THERE ARE MANY DOORS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND ALL OF THEM GO INTO THE RESTAURANT.

ALL OF IT IS THE RESTAURANT ON THE FIRST LEVEL ENTRANCE DOORS.

THERE ARE TWO, UH, PERSONNEL DOORS.

I WILL CALL THEM.

AND THEN A NUMBER OF OVERHEAD DOORS THAT OPEN UP BUT MUCH LIKE IN, I REMEMBER THE POINT NOW THAT I WAS GOING TO COVER, UH, THE PHOTOGRAPH WE PROVIDED AS SHOWS, UH, A NICE LOW ONE STORY, UM, UTILITY TYPE BUILDING, MUCH, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT OUR RATIONALE AND PREVIOUS DESIGN REVIEWS WITH THE OVERHEAD DOORS IN IT.

AND SO WE SEE A PARALLEL THERE, ALTHOUGH WE REALIZE IT'S NOT A, UH, A DIRECT COMPARISON, BUT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, HAD OCCURRED IN ADVANCED.

OKAY.

LET US GET TO QUESTIONS WHEN WE GET FURTHER DOWN HERE.

SO ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENTS THAT WANT TO SPEAK TO THE PROJECT IN THE AUDIENCE? PROPONENTS? ARE THERE ANY OPPONENTS? I DON'T SEE EITHER ONE OF THOSE.

OKAY.

AND SIR, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME? OKAY.

IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE WHO HAS RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND HAS STANDING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT? SEEING NONE WE WILL MOVE ON.

SO SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE, UH, A, UH, STAFF FINDINGS EVIDENT TO US? ARE THERE ANY STATES IN YOUR GOVERNMENT BODY? OH, YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.

NOW, IF YOU WANT TO, ARE THERE ANY STATE CITY OR GOVERNMENT, UH, INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE DON'T SEE ANY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU CAN GIVE US YOUR FUN.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO THIS IS THE, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, JOHN HARVEY, LLC, AND MBF ARCHITECTS FOR THEIR PROJECT FOR 2 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET, UH, STORED PROPERTY NAME IS A HARVEY MANSION, UH, BUILT CIRCUS 98.

IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION IS IT'S FEDERAL STYLE, THREE STORIES ABOVE A RAISED BASEMENT, FIVE PAYS Y PERRY CENTRAL WINDOWS ABOVE ARCHED ENTRANCE, INTERIOR END, CHIMNEYS AND GABLE, AND PARAGRAPH ROOF, UH, SANDBAGS DESCRIPTION, UH, ONLY RELEVANT, UH, PIECE SEEMED TO BE CONVERTED TO APARTMENTS IN THE 1940S.

WE SAW THAT A PHOTOGRAPH.

UM, THAT'S ALSO BEEN CHANGED.

SO IN TWO, UH, SO THE PROJECT FOR 2 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET IS TO INCLUDE A ONE-STORY ADDITION IN SITE MODIFICATIONS IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION, PUBLIC AND OPEN SPACES.

2.2 0.1 UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1 2.3 0.2 AND 2.3 0.6 FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.3, 2.4 0.4 2.4 0.7 FOR FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.

2.5 0.1 AND A PRIME, UH, 2.5 0.2 AND 2.5 0.3 FOR PARKING, 2.7 0.5 FOR SIGNAGE, 2.8 0.2 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 THROUGH FIVE FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.2 AND 3.2 0.4 FOR ADDITIONS, 3.3 0.1 AND 3.3 0.2 FOR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.1 4.1 0.3 4.1 0.4 4.1 0.5 AND 4.1 0.6 FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 4.2 0.2 4.2 0.4 FOR WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.1 THROUGH THREE FOR ENTRANCES.

WHOOPS AND TRENDS WOULD REALLY, OH, SORRY.

4.4 0.1 4.4 0.4 FOR RIBS, 4.5 0.4 4.5 0.6 FOR DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.2 FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND LIFE SAFETY, 4.7 0.2 FOR MASONRY 5.1 0.1 THROUGH FIVE FOR WOOD, 5.2 0.1 AND 5.2 0.2 FOR METALS, 5.3 0.3 AND 5.3 0.4 FOR PAINT 5.4 0.1 THROUGH FOUR STATEMENTS.

A REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION

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AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE NOT GO TOO FAR OR OKAY.

UH, THE PROJECT ONE, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE DENSE FABRIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROPOSAL IS AN ADDITION AND WORK PROJECT THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.

THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PERMISSION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A ONE-STORY ADDITION AND SITE MODIFICATIONS IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS WITH THE CONDITION THAT KITCHEN EXHAUST HOODS AND OTHER MECHANICAL APPURTENANCES BE SUBMITTED TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADMINISTRATOR FOR THEIR REVIEW OR HPC REVIEW.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.

SO THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE, ASK THEM, NOW THEY'RE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO GO OVER, AND THEN WE NEED TO ALSO TALK ABOUT THE KITCHEN EXHAUST HOODS AND THE MECHANICAL, UH, AVERAGE DRINKS THAT ARE THERE AS WELL.

COULD, COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT THE, UH, THE PROJECT NOT MEETING GLEN THE LAND USE REQUIREMENTS? SURE.

THE, UM, THE, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS INDICATED THAT, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, NEEDS TO, UH, MAINTAIN OR NOT REDUCE THE EXISTING NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

THAT'S THE CONDITION.

IF THEY MEET THAT CONDITION, THEN IT'S OKAY.

AS FAR AS ZONING, AS FAR AS, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY THAT IS? I THINK THE APPLICANT DOES.

SORRY.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THAT IS? HOW MANY PARKING STALLS? I BELIEVE IT'S 17.

UM, BUT MAYBE I COULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT BEFORE WE TALK A LITTLE FURTHER, IF THAT'S OKAY.

SO W WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND HAVE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES FOR US TO, UM, BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

UH, WE HAVE NOT SELECTED WHICH OF THOSE POSSIBILITIES WE WILL BE UNDERTAKING.

UM, BUT HOWEVER, LIKE MANY PROJECTS YOU NEED PERMITTING FROM MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS AND AGENCIES, AND IT, THERE IS NO ROADMAP THAT TELLS YOU WHICH PERMIT TO GET FIRST.

UH, SO WE'VE ADVISED OUR CLIENT THAT HPC REALLY DETERMINES THE VIABILITY OF THE PROJECT.

AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TAKE YOUR APPROVAL.

UM, AND WE WILL TAKE THAT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DECIDE HOW IT WILL COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH PARKS.

SO WE WOULD MAKE THAT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE VISUAL REQUIREMENTS, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THAT YOU DO THAT FOR ANOTHER BODY, I GUESS.

SO AS A BOARD MEMBER, WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD CARE, BUT YOU CERTAINLY, MAN, I OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT, UM, ZONING PERMIT TO START CONSTRUCTION.

GOT TO GO BACK TO ZONING.

YES, MA'AM OKAY.

THAT'S OUR NEXT HURDLE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

MADAM CHAIR AND THE SPIRIT OF BEING HELPFUL, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IF THIS COMMISSION IS INCLINED TO APPROVE THIS, THIS APPLICATION TO OFFER AS A CONDITION THAT CONSTRUCTION NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, AS DETERMINED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION.

PLEASE KEEP THOSE WORDS IN MIND BECAUSE WE MAY, WE, I KNOW YOU WILL, CAUSE WE MAY NEED THOSE AT THE END HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

THAT'LL TAKE CARE OF, AND I'M ALMOST 100% CERTAIN THAT WE CANNOT GET A BUILDING PERMIT WITHOUT HAVING THE ZONING CARMEN.

YES.

THAT WOULD BE TRUE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO ASK TRIM, WE MIGHT'VE HAD READ THIS COMPANY BEFORE.

WHAT'S THE SEATING IN THE RESTAURANT ROUGHLY.

DO YOU KNOW? I THINK IT'S A, ROUGHLY 75 TO A HUNDRED CHAIRS.

THANK YOU.

DID I ANSWER YOUR OTHER QUESTION? YEAH.

YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION I ASKED YOU TO WAIT UNTIL NOW.

OH, MY QUESTION WAS THE DOUBLE DOORS THAT YOU SHOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

IS THAT AN ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING? I SEE THE ENTRANCE FROM THE NORTH SIDE.

AND THEN SO MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ELEVATION.

CAUSE I THINK THE ONLY DOUBLE DOORS THAT

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ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

YEAH.

UM, AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OVERHEAD DOORS AS WELL AS SOME PEDESTRIAN DOORS.

BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE IN DOUBLE DOORS.

I WAS JUST THINKING OF ACCESS FROM THE PARKING LOT INTO THE REST THAT, BUT THERE IS ACCESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

YES.

OH, THAT'S GOOD.

SO THESE DOORS OVER THE PIECE THAT DOES THAT, THOSE ARE NOT A SET OF DOORS THERE.

UH, THAT, THAT IS AN OVERHEAD DOOR, VERY SIMILAR TO THE PRODUCT INFORMATION THAT IS ON THE, UH, SHEET TOWARDS THE END OF THE, UM, OKAY.

THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAVE SAID THESE THAT LOOKED LIKE DOUBLE DOORS HERE.

THESE ARE ALL GARAGE DOORS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S DONE TO CAPTURE THE PREVIOUS ARCHITECTURE.

THE IDEA IS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, OPEN UP THE BUILDING WHEN, WHEN TEMPERATURES ARE, UH, CONDUCIVE TO OUTDOOR DINING AND TO LET THE AIR MOVE THROUGH THE BUILDING, UH, AND IN THE SUMMER AND THESE DOORS OPEN UNTIL THERE'S A BALCONY OUT THERE.

IS THAT RIGHT? SO WHAT THEY OPEN UP, OPEN UP ONTO IF YOU WALK OUT OF THEM.

YES.

THERE IS A DOG ELEVATED TERRACE.

IS THE PLAN TO PUT CHAIRS AND TABLES OUT ON THAT TEST? I WOULD, YES.

I WOULD ASSUME SO, FRANKLY, WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY OR WHAT ARRANGEMENT.

OKAY.

BECAUSE I HAD THAT QUESTION WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT OVERHEAD DOORS, SO THEN ANSWERED MINE.

WE'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING SPACE.

WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT ELEVATION? AND IF YOU ALL MEET THAT ISSUE? WELL, I OBVIOUSLY WILL BE IN AGAIN, HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FLOOD ORDINANCE.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT OUR USUAL RUN OF THE MILL APPLICATION IN THAT REGARD.

UM, GRADE IS SOMEWHERE AROUND SIX FEET OF ELEVATION, THE DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE OR THE FEMA.

PLUS TWO IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 11 AND A HALF FEET.

THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE FIRST FLOOR LEVEL OF THE HARVEY MANSION WHERE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A FLOOR LEVEL THAT IS NOT 11 AND A HALF FEET IN THE AIR.

IN OTHER WORDS WHERE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN HALFWAY, ROUGHLY BETWEEN THE SIX FEET AND THE 11 AND A HALF IN THE RESTAURANT.

SO BECAUSE OF THAT TO COMPLY WITH THE FLOOD DOOR LIMITS, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ALL THE MASONRY ONLY GOING UP WITH BUILDING PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF ALL THE MATERIAL, UH, THE, THE PRIMARY MATERIALS THAT ARE BELOW THE FLOODPLAIN HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY BE IMPERVIOUS, MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT WORD, BUT CERTAINLY BOARDER RESISTANT WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONVENTIONAL WOOD OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WOULD ABSORB WATER IN A FLOOD EVENT.

UM, AND BE PROBLEMATIC WHERE ALL THIS IS MASONRY AND CONCRETE THAT, UH, SIMPLY, UH, GETS HOSED AND WASHED OUT AND ALL THE MUD GETS WASHED OUT, UM, AFTER A FLOOD EVENT.

SO WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE FLOOR OF THE RESTAURANT? IS MY QUESTION CLEAR, OR I KNOW IT IS.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE, IT'S ROUGHLY HALFWAY BETWEEN THE SIX SEAT AND THE 11 AND A HALF FEET.

AND I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE A 10.2, FIVE FEET OR THEREABOUTS.

AND SO IT, THAT THE FLOOR IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE OVERHEAD DOORS AND ELEVATION, RIGHT? SO THE BACK OF THIS RESTAURANT, YOU CANNOT GET FROM THE BACK OF THIS RESTAURANT, INTO THE HARVEY MANSION PROPER, UM, NO, WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IN.

WE'LL HAVE TO GO UPSTAIRS.

THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO UPSTAIRS.

OKAY.

SO WHAT IS GOING TO BE YOUR PLAN FOR DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE OF FLOOD ELEVATION? YOUR PLAN IS TO USE THIS BRICKING TO STOP THE WATER FROM COMING AND GET HIM TO THE HARVEY MANAGER.

AND THAT IS A PRIMARY COMPONENT OF IT.

UM, THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS THAT, UH, UH, MAYBE ARE BEYOND WHAT OUR GUIDELINES DESCRIBED, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, WE'LL HAVE TO RUN, UM, POWER FROM THE CEILING DOWN AND WE IT'LL BE AT A UNUSUALLY HIGH, UH, DIMENSION OFF THE FLOOR CAUSE IT'LL HAVE TO BE ABOVE FLOODPLAIN.

WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE ALL THE HEATING AND AIR EQUIPMENT AND ELECTRICAL PANEL BULWARKS ARE ABOVE THE FLOOD PLAIN, WHICH IS AGAIN, WE'LL PUT THEM EITHER IN THE, UH, CEILINGS,

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UM, OR AT UNUSUAL HEIGHTS, IF THEY OCCUR DOWN IN THE RESTAURANT.

WHAT ABOUT ANY ELECTRICAL STUFF YOU HAVE TO HAVE OUTSIDE? UH, WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE FLOOD ORDINANCE.

UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN ITEMS THAT ARE EXEMPT.

UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO DETERMINE WHICH ITEMS CAN BE BELOW FLOOD PLAIN IN WHICH CAMP WE'VE GOT A GRANDFATHERED BASEMENT, WHICH ALTHOUGH WE'RE PART OF THE PROJECT, MOVING A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS TO HIGHER, A LOW ABOVE FLOOD ELEVATION FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

UM, THERE WILL STILL BE ELECTRICAL IN THE BASEMENT BELOW FLOOD ELEVATION, UH, BY VIRTUE OF THE CURRENT OR PAST USE OF THE BUILDING.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TRANSFORMER THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT'S IN THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN SPACE THAT WILL BE BELOW FLOOD PLAIN.

ANYWAY, THIS ISN'T TRANSFORMING YOU TALK ABOUT THAT.

YOU'VE GOT A WALL AROUND.

YES MA'AM.

YEAH.

AND THAT, AND THAT'S NOT ABOVE THE ELEVATION.

AND SO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT.

OH, IT'S NOT OURS TO PLAN FOR THE CITY.

SO THAT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED.

OKAY.

AND SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I, I THINK WE HAVE A RELATIVELY NEW, UM, UH, OR NOT NEW, BUT AN UPDATED FLOOD ORDINANCE.

AND WE MAY BE ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS TO BE IN THE ZONE WHERE IT'S NOT CLEARLY ELEVATED ABOVE WHEREVER YOU THINK IS A BIT MORE SIMPLE.

AND SO, UH, WE PLAN ON WORKING CLOSELY WITH INSPECTIONS AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

OKAY.

SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE A CONSIDERATION THAT WE ADD TO THIS, ALTHOUGH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUT OF ZONE IN A BUILDING A BUILDING.

SURE.

SO WHEN HE DID THAT PREFERENCE, SO CAN YOU GO AROUND SIR, AND SHOW US THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHERE YOU MAKE SOME CHANGES, BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED THAT IN DESIGN REVIEW, AND YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD MADE SOME CHANGES HERE.

SO JUST TO BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS AND WHAT YOU HAVE CHANGED, BECAUSE WE DID ASK YOU TO ADOPT THE OF SURE.

AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN START WITH THE PERSPECTIVE THAT IS ON YOUR SCREEN.

UM, WE'VE LOWERED THE HEIGHT OF THE CLEAR STORY, UM, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO FEET.

UM, WE MOVED THE SIGN TO BE BETWEEN THE TWO SQUARE WINDOWS AND THE TOP OF THE PAIR OF DOORS.

UM, WE'VE ALSO, UM, ADDED SOME ORNAMENTAL IRON WORK TO THE FRONT, UH, GARDEN WALL.

I PREFER TO CALL IT.

UM, AND, UH, DON THE COMBINATION OF, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ABOUT A TOTAL OF SIX FEET TALL TO THE FAR RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT ABOUT TWO FEET OF ORNAMENTAL IRON ON TOP OF THE FOUR FEET OF MASONRY WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, BUT NOW WE'VE TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO STEP DOWN THE MASONRY THAT FORMS THE CURVE, THE CURVATURE IN PLANT AROUND TWO FEET ABOVE GRADE, AND THEN BRING UP THE ORNAMENTAL IRON TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE.

UM, AND THEN ALSO WE'VE SLIPPED IT SO THAT WHEN WE GET BACK TO THE ELEVATION, YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT REALLY BRINGS A FOCAL POINT ON THE ENTRANCE, WHICH WAS YOUR PURPOSE.

I BELIEVE IN ASKING US TO EXPLORE THAT AS WELL AS OUR PURPOSE FOR OUR CLIENT.

UM, AND ANYONE, ANY BUSINESS CENTER WANTS AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, ATTENTION AS THEY CAN GET TO THEIR FRONT DOOR.

OKAY.

AND SO HOW TALL IS, AS IT SLOPES BACK AND GOES TO YOUR INTEREST, HOW TALL AT THE TALL IS PART, IS IT PLACED ON TOP OF THE BRICK AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE, WHERE HE'S GOT HIS LITTLE HAND, HOW TALL IS THE TALLEST? THE, THE ORNAMENTAL IRON PIECE SAID IT'S TALLEST TO SIX FEET AND IT'S ON TOP OF TWO FEET OF MASONRY.

OKAY.

BUT THEN IT ALSO COMES BACK DOWN FAIRLY QUICKLY.

AND, UM, WE, WE ELECTED TO DO THAT ONE TO REINFORCE THE PERSPECTIVE THAT I'VE JUST DESCRIBED.

AND THEN SECONDLY, WE'RE ALSO, UM, PRETTY WELL VERSED IN YOUR GUIDELINES AND YOUR INTENT.

SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TOO MUCH ADDITIONAL GARDEN WALLED IN WHAT WAS NEEDED TO ACHIEVE OUR PURPOSE.

I'M SURE YOU'VE ADDRESSED THIS, BUT HANDICAP ACCESS.

UH, YES.

MA'AM WE HAVE TWO HANDICAP GRAMPS

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FROM THE FRONT ONE IN THE FRONT AND ONE IN THE LEFT EAR.

PEGGY, IF YOU LOOK, UH, YES, IF YOU CAN SHOW HER, THE RAMP GOES UP THERE AND COMES AROUND AND YOU PICK IT UP, YOU PICK IT UP FROM THE SIDEWALK.

YEAH.

SO THE FIRST ONE, AND WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PERSPECTIVE ON THE FAR LEFT, IT RUNS UP THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING INTO A PERSONNEL TO WORK THAT COMES OUT.

SHE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM OF IT IS.

IT'S RAPING RIGHT HERE AT STREET LEVEL AND RIGHT BEHIND THIS, RIGHT BEHIND THAT GORDON WALL.

AND THEN THERE'S ONE ON THE BACK, PEGGY ON THE BACK, IF YOU WERE FACING THE BUILDING FROM SOUTH BROAD STREET IN THE BACK ON THE RIGHT HAND CORNER, AM I CORRECT WITH THAT? SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO HANDICAP RAMPS.

EXCELLENT.

IN THAT THIS IS THE SECOND ONE ON THE SCREEN AND SEE THEM.

HERE'S THE SECOND, THE BOTTOM OF IT HERE.

AND THEN IT GOES TO A LANDING AND COMES BACK, SWITCH BACK.

AND THEN THOSE GATES TO THE LEFT THEY'RE PAINTING, THEY'RE JUST GROUND LEVEL.

AND THEY'D GO ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THERE'S GATES AND THERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET IN.

GOTCHA.

WHAT HAVE THEY, SO THAT'S THE OTHER END OF THE PLAZA.

YEAH.

WITH ALL THE SOFTSCAPE AND WEDNESDAY.

AND HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED WHAT ALL OF YOUR PLANTINGS AND ALL ARE, ARE, ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK AND TELL US? WE W WE WOULD PREFER TO COME BACK AND, UH, REVIEW THOSE IN DETAIL, UM, WHEN THAT TIME ARRIVES.

ALL RIGHT.

SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ASK? OKAY.

SO AS WE GO TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY'RE TWO THINGS I SEE.

IF ANYBODY ELSE SEES SOMETHING ELSE, PLEASE SPEAK UP THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

AND THAT IS THE PARKING SPACES.

AND, UH, WE HAVE SOME VERBIAGE WITH THAT AND ALSO ISSUES DEALING WITH FLOOD ELEVATION, UM, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, DEALT WITH, WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.

IS THAT THE RIGHT PERSON, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR FOR FLOOD ELEMENT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO THE, THOSE TWO PEOPLE NEED TO BE CONSULTED, UH, BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL.

SO IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CAN WE HAVE, UH, AND NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, CAUSE THERE'S A LOT HERE TO CONSIDER.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE INTEREST WAY AND DESIGN WITH YOU.

AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

OKAY.

UM, I DID HAVE, IN MY RECOMMENDATION WAS REGARDING THE FUTURE, UH, KITCHEN HOODS.

OKAY.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW THAT YOU DID.

OKAY.

CAN YOU SHOW US A PICTURE OF THAT? THANK YOU FOR REMINDING, REMINDING US OF THAT.

YES.

THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE.

CAN YOU SHOW US A PICTURE OF, TO WHAT ARE REFERRING THERE'S? NO, THERE'S NO PICTURE CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST YET.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE.

UM, THE THING IS WITH RESTAURANTS, UH, OFTENTIMES THEY'RE VERY BEAUTIFUL.

AND THEN AT SOME POINT THE, UH, THE, UM, UH, KITCHEN EQUIPMENT GOES IN AND YOU END UP WITH THESE MUSHROOMS AND THINGS ALL OVER YOUR BUILDING METAL MUSHROOMS AND IN AWKWARD LOCATIONS AND THINGS.

SO, UH, THIS WAS MY CONCERN.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS USUALLY, UH, NO OVAL AT THIS POINT IN THE DESIGN, UH, OR IN THE, THIS POINT IN THE PROJECT.

BUT AT SOME POINT IT WILL BE KNOWABLE.

AND AT THAT POINT THEN, UH, IT WOULD SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE AT THAT POINT TO BRING IT BACK EITHER TO ME, FROM MY REVIEW AS LIKE A UTILITY OR, UH, THAT KIND OF, UH, UM, UH, ADDITION TO THE DESIGN, IT COULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE DESIGN.

IT COULD COME BACK TO YOU GUYS DESIGN REVIEW, AND THEN YOU COULD DECIDE AS WELL.

SO HOWEVER YOU WANT, BUT, UM, THOSE THINGS OFTENTIMES BECOME QUITE UGLY.

IT SHOULD THAT IN NORMAL EXPECTATION THOUGH, THE DESIGN CHANGES THAT IT WOULD COME BACK, WELL, THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY'RE EXPECTED TO DO THAT.

SO, UH, UH, WE, WE APPLAUD STAFF ON HIS ASTUTENESS AND BRINGING THAT UP.

IN FACT, WE ARE UNCERTAIN AS TO WHERE THE EXTERIOR APARTMENT SAYS WILL OCCUR.

UH, WE, WE DON'T MIND COMING BACK, UH, EITHER TO STAFF OR THIS BOARD AT A LATER DATE, ONCE WE CAN, UH, UH, NAIL THAT DOWN.

UM, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UH, CURRENTLY THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THOSE APARTMENTS IS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HARVEY MENTIONED THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REMOVED

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AND WE PLAN ON REUSING AS MANY OF THOSE HOLES AS WE CAN.

UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS THAT TYPE OF THING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

OKAY.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE THIRD THING IN TERMS OF, UH, THINGS THAT NEED TO COME BACK, UH, OR TO GO TO OTHER PEOPLE.

SO PARKING PARKING SPACES ARE GOING TO GO TO ZONING, FLOOD ELEVATION IS GOING TO GO TO INSPECTIONS TO THE INSPECTIONS, AND THEN THESE APARTMENTS IS, CAN COME BACK TO US.

CAN WE DO THAT? SURE.

OKAY.

SO THEY COULD COME BACK TO US AND THEN YOUR, UH, USE OF PLANNINGS IS GOING TO BE A FOURTH THING THAT WILL COME BACK TO US.

YES MA'AM.

SO WE'VE GOT FOUR THINGS.

SO WHO WOULD TO VENTURE.

OKAY.

AND MATT I'M DOWN THERE.

I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME VERBIAGE THAT CAN HELP US SPECIFICALLY ADD THE FOUR THINGS WE NEED TO ADD HERE.

HAND.

THESE ARE NOT USUAL THINGS THAT WE HAVE, SO I KNOW THAT YOU'LL HELP THEM READY.

WE'RE READY.

YES, SIR.

I MOVE, WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 11, THE FRONT SOUTH FRONT STREET, 2 21 TO 21 TO 21 SOUTH FRONT STREET, UH, B BE APPROVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR TWO 20 TO BE FOUND, NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE NEW BRUNCH CODE ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH 4 1 1 15 4 29, A NEWBURN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES OF FINDINGS OF FACT PUBLIC AND OPEN SPACES.

2.2 0.1 UTILITIES, 2.3 0.12 AND SIX LANDSCAPING, 2.4, THREE, FOUR, AND SEVEN FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.

5.1, 2.5 0.1 2.5 0.12 FOOT 5.2 AND THREE PARKING 2.7 0.5 SIGNAGE, 2.8 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE MODIFICATIONS.

3.2 0.12 AND FOUR.

ADDITION TO 3.3 0.1 AND TWO FOUNDATIONS, 4.11 4.1 3, 4, 5, AND SIX WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.

4.2 0.12 AND FOUR WINDOWS AND DOORS.

4.3 0.12 AND THREE AVERAGES, 4.4 0.1 AND 4.4 0.4 ROWS 4.5 0.4 AND 5.5 0.6 DECKS AND PATIOS 4.6 0.2 ACCESSIBILITY OF LIFE SAFETY, 4.7 0.2 MASONARY 5.1 0.1 2 3, 4, AND FIVE WOOD, 5.2 OR 4.2 0.1 AND TWO METALS, 5.3 0.3 AND FOUR PAINT, 5.4 0.12, THREE, AND FOUR.

THE STATEMENTS OF REASON BEING THE PROJECT'S LOCATED.

IN FACT, FINDINGS FINDS THE BACK ARE AWARE, BEING PLANS BACK, BEING THE PROJECT'S LOCATED TO THE DENSE FABRIC BELT IN THE VETERAN PROPOSALS.

IN ADDITION TO THE CYPHORT PROJECT, PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAD CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY PROJECTS, NOT IN CONGRESS, BUT THE GUIDELINES WALKED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THE CONSTRUCTION NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE ZONING PERMIT IS APPROVED.

THAT COVERS PARKING.

UM, THE FLOOD ELEVATION GUIDELINES ARE MET.

THE PLANTING, I GUESS THE PLANTING WINDOW WILL COME BACK FOR LATER APPROVAL LANDSCAPE PLAN.

AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE PURCHASES OR ANY PERTINENT DESIGN WILL COME BACK WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU HELP US A LITTLE BIT WITH THE, I THINK WHAT I HEARD MR. BISBEE SAY

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WAS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

ONE CONSTRUCTION NOT BEGIN UNTIL COMPLIANCE UNTIL THE PROJECT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.

THAT'S DETERMINED BY THE CITY'S ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

YES.

TO CONSTRUCTION, NOT BEGIN UNTIL THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE FLOOD ORDINANCE, AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY'S INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENT A LANDSCAPE DESIGN PLAN TO THE HPC AT A LATER TIME.

AND FOR THAT THE KITCHEN EXHAUST HOODS AND OTHER MECHANICAL APPURTENANCES NOT BE INSTALLED UNTIL REVIEWED BY THE HPC AT A LATER TIME.

YES, MA'AM EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IS THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

I KNOW THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON.

OKAY.

AND I WILL SECOND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SNUCK IN IT.

WE HAVE A SECOND, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL OF THOSE DAYS WE DON'T HAVE ANY, SO IT PASSES.

SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA WITH THE MEDITATIONS MADAM CHAIR? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ISSUANCE OF THE CA COA IS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS.

YES.

I PROBABLY DIDN'T COME OUT WELL, BUT I SAID A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS YES.

WITH ALL THE FOUR CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED.

OKAY.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT? PEGGY MOVES.

DID WE HAVE A SECOND SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

THOSE AGAINST HEARING THAT YOU CAN BE ISSUED A COA WITH THOSE FOUR CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

AND WE'LL, I WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN ABOUT BE BACK, UM, WHO, UH, WHO DID THE MOTION FOR ISSUING THE COA? AND CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN TONY LEFT? WAS IT JUST A MINUTE AGO OR 20 MINUTES AGO? I'VE BEEN KIND OF IN THE DISCUSSION.

SO, UH, SAY 6 45, 15 MINUTES AGO, ROUGHLY HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS? WHAT DID YOU, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION WHEN TONY'S OKAY.

SO CAN WE NOW MOVE

[3E. 211 Pollock St. – to include a rear addition, new walk-in freezer, new recessed side entrance, closing 7 windows, new waterproofing trim, painting waterproofing, new wall-mounted lighting, and new mechanical units on platforms, all in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs.]

ON TO TWO 11 FOLIC STREET? YES.

TWO 11 POLK STREET.

UH, OKAY.

SO HERE WE SEE THE, UH, APPLICATION FIELDS FILLED IN AND THEN SIGNED AND DATED THE BOTTOM AGAIN BY THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, UH, MBF ARCHITECTS, AND THIS ALSO THEIR COVER LETTER.

AGAIN, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE MATERIALS.

UH, HERE WE HAVE VENEER EDITION WOOD OVERHANGS WITH FIBERGLASS, ASPHALT SHINGLES, BRICK VENEER, INFILL PANEL AT REMOVED WINDOWS, NEW RECESS DOOR, METAL DOORS AND FRAMES, WOOD TRIM, PAINTING, GRAY WOOD TRIM, AND PAINTING THE GRAY FLOOD-PROOFING TO COMPLIMENT BRICK, MASONRY ABOVE, SORRY.

OKAY.

SO NOW TO THE DRAWINGS, UM, THIS BEING THE FIRST PAGE WE SEE ON THE LEFT, UH, FRONT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING, UH, AND THE SITE PLAN, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.

HOWEVER, UH, AND THIS, WE HAVE A DRAWING OF THE SITE PLAN HERE, UH, NEED TO GO A LITTLE BIT LARGER.

AND THE STREET AGAIN IS AT THE TOP OF THE DRAWING ON THE NORTH SIDE.

UH, AND WE SEE THE EXISTING BUILDING HERE IN DARK GRAY.

AND THEN, UH, ALL THE NEW ADDITION WORK WILL BE HERE IN THIS WHITE AREA HERE.

AND THE DARK GRAY IS THE EXISTING PAVING.

AND OTHERWISE THE PURPLE LINE IS THE PROPERTY LINE AROUND THE PERK OR ON THE PROPERTY.

AND TO NOTE IS THAT THE BUILDING IS VERY CLOSE TO IF NOT ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE, THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, AND JUST,

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UH, WHILE WE'RE HERE A BIGGER VIEW OF THE FRONT, BUT ALSO THE BIGGER VIEW OF THE ARIEL NEXT PAGE.

UM, HERE WE HAVE THE, THAT WAS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.

NOW THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

WE CAN SEE THE ADDITION WORK BEING SHOWN HERE IN THAT WHITE AREA.

UH, THE LARGER RECTANGLE HERE IS THE, UH, ROOF TO BE ADDED, UH, WHICH SLOPES TO THE RIGHT.

AND THEN THERE'S A RIDGE FOR A SHORT, UH, STRETCH HERE.

AND THEN IT SLOPES ALSO TO THE LEFT, UM, AND THE OTHER, UH, PIECES.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY MEAN THIS, UH, LARGER, UH, RECTANGLE HERE IS THE, UH, I GUESS THE ROOF OF THE FREEZER WALK-IN FREEZER.

SO HERE WE SEE, UH, A ROOF ENLARGED ROOF PLAN HERE AGAIN, UH, THE TWO ROOFS GOING TO THE RIGHT AND TO THE LEFT, THE WALK-IN FREEZER.

AND THEN THESE FOUR CIRCLES ARE ACTUALLY CONDENSING UNITS FOR THE, UH, AIR CONDITIONING.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN EVERYTHING ABOVE, THIS IS THE EXISTING, UH, STRUCTURE NEXT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO NOW I SEE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, THIS BEING FIRST FROM THE WEST.

SO THE STREET IS ON THE LEFT WITH THE ENTRANCE ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, FROM THE STREET ON THIS ELEVATION, UH, V THE FLOOD-PROOFING GOES TO WHERE THIS DOUBLE BLACK LINE IS, UH, WHICH IS TO BE, IS THE NEW, UH, WOOD TRIM THAT THEY'RE PLACING AT THE TOP OF THE FLOOD-PROOFING.

AND THEN THEY'RE PAINTING THE FLOOD-PROOFING, UH, TO MATCH, UH, THE BRICK ABOVE THE WOOD TRIM.

THEN, UH, THESE FIVE WINDOWS, UH, WILL BE BRICKED IN, UH, BUT RECESSED SLIGHTLY.

AND THEN, UH, AT THE BACK, UH, EVERYTHING BEYOND THIS TALL SECTION IS NEW.

EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT OF THIS TALL SECTION IS NEW WITH THE ONE SMALLER ROOF SLOPING TOWARDS US HERE, AND THEN A BRICK WALL UNDERNEATH, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION BEING BEHIND THAT SLOPING AREA.

UH, AND THEN ON THIS SIDE, WE'RE LOOKING ACTUALLY AT THE RIDGE LINE, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE UNDERSIDE OF THE ROOFING AND SOME OF THE FRAMING UNDERNEATH THE RIDGE AT THAT POINT WITH THE COLUMNS THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE ROOF.

AND THIS IS THE BACKSIDE OF THE WALK-IN FREEZER.

THIS HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE CONDENSING UNITS, WHICH IS SHOWN ON A PLATFORM IN ORDER TO GET IT ABOVE THE FLOOD ELEVATION.

SO THEN IF WE GO TO THE OTHER SIDE, WE'LL START OUT AT THE STREET ON THE RIGHT AGAIN, ENTRANCE ON THE RIGHT, UH, FROM THE STREET.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT A WOOD TRIM AT THE TOP OF THE FLOOD-PROOFING WITH THE SAME PAINTING OF FLOOD-PROOFING THERE.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO CUT INTO THE WALL AND RECESS A DOORWAY ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE SIDE.

THEY'RE ALSO ADDING, UM, SCONCE LIGHTING ALONG THE SIDE AS WELL.

AND IN CLOSING TWO WINDOWS AGAIN WITH BRICK, UH, AND, UH, THAT BRICK IS SLIGHTLY RECESSED FROM THE EXISTING SURFACE.

AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, BEHIND OR TO THE LEFT OF THE TALL SECTION, UH, REPRESENTING THE EXISTING BUILDING, EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT IS NEW.

AND SO THIS IS THE SLOPING ROOF, THAT LARGEST ROOF THAT'S SLOPING NOW, UM, DOWN TOWARDS US.

UH, AND THIS IS A FRONT ELEVATION OF THE WALK-IN FREEZER.

AND AGAIN, THE BRICK WALL AND TWO CONDENSING UNITS HERE.

UH, RIGHT.

SO LET'S LOOK AT IT FROM THE REAR, FROM THE BACK.

UH, YOU SEE THAT THE, UM, THE BRICK WALL THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUALLY, UH, COMES OUT TO THE, UH, WEST EDGE OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN, UH, THERE IS, UM, UM, WELL HARD TO SEE, LET ME MAKE THAT BIGGER.

THIS IS SMALLER ELEVATION.

THERE WE GO.

THAT'S BETTER.

UH, THIS, UH, VERTICAL BLACK LINE REPRESENTS A CHANGE IN, UH, THE PLANE OF BRICK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND JUDGING BY THIS TRIM WORK.

IT LOOKS LIKE THIS SURFACE IS CLOSER TO US THAN THE ONE BEHIND IN THE BACK, AND THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE WALK-IN FREEZER.

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AND SO THERE'S A NEW DOOR GOING INTO THIS BRICK WALL AND THAT WOOD TRIM IS GOING CONTINUING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING, EVEN ON THE NEW SECTION.

AND THESE, UH, WHITE VERTICALS ARE THE POSTS THAT ARE HOLDING UP THE ROOFING.

UH, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE CONVINCING UNITS, AND THAT LOOKS LIKE THE ELECTRIC PANEL.

AND THEN THE NORTH ELEVATION IS EXISTING OR IS ACTUALLY THE PROPOSED TERRORISTS, ET CETERA.

BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS, NOTHING ON THIS ELEVATION CHANGES AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, EXCEPT WHAT THE STORY IS DIFFERENT.

OH, OH, I SEE.

THAT'S WHAT THE SIX IS, RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO A NEW DOOR, WHICH WILL HAVE GLASS IN IT.

I BELIEVE THE EXISTING ONE HAS, IT'S NOT A FULL PANEL GLASS.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN OTHERWISE WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTION REVIEW.

SO ON THIS ONE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AFTER THAT.

WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST BY ANYBODY ON THE COMMISSION? OKAY, SIR.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THIS STILL TRIP YOU ARE? AND I'M STILL THE PRINCIPAL OF MBF ARCHITECTS? UH, THE, THE CONTENT OF THIS APPLICATION IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE REVIEWED IN DESIGN REVIEW.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WHEN YOU GET READY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENTS IN THE AUDIENCE SEEING NONE? ARE THERE ANY NOTIFY OPPONENTS SEEING NONE? UH, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE STATE CITY OR GOVERNMENT SEE NONE? SO, SIR, UH, IS THERE ANYBODY WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE OR STANDING SEEING NONE? OUR AUDIENCE IS GETTING A SMALL AROUND THERE.

SO SIR, COULD YOU GIVE US SOME STAFF FINDINGS? ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

DOWN HERE.

SO THIS BEING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS PIETRO PELLA, SQUALA TELL US AQUA, SORRY.

UH, AND MBF ARCHITECT, UH, 4, 2 11 POLLOCK STREET, A HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME AS NOT APPLICABLE.

AND IT'S, NON-CONTRIBUTING, UH, THERE IS NO NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION, UH, AND ALSO NONE IN SANTA ANA.

SO THE PROPOSAL IS FOR 2 21 POLLOCK STREET TO INCLUDE A REAR ADDITION, NEW WALK-IN FREEZER, NEW RECESS SIDE ENTRANCE, CLOSING SEVEN WINDOWS, NEW WATERPROOFING TRIM, PAINTING, WATERPROOFING NEW WALL MOUNTED LIGHTING, AND NEW MECHANICAL UNITS ON PLATFORMS, ALL IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.

AND I GUESS A DOOR IN THE PRIMARY ABC.

SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1 2.3 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 3.1 0.2 AND 3.1 0.4 FOR MODIFICATIONS.

3.2 0.1 AND TWO FOR ADDITIONS.

WHOOPS, TOO QUICKLY.

3.3 0.12 AND THREE FOR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.12 AND THREE FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 4.2 0.4 FOR WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.31 4.3 0.2 FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1 4.4 0.3 FOR RUBES 4.5 0.6.

FOR ME, MASON READING, WHICH WOULD GIVE ME A WARNING OR SOMETHING.

A 5.1 0.2, 1.1 0.4 5.1 0.5 FOR PAIN, 5.4 0.2 OR 5.4 0.3 AND 5.4 0.4 FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.2 AND 5.5 0.6 STATEMENTS.

A REASON BASED ON INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS AN ADDITION AND MODIFICATION PROJECT.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.

THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS FOR THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A REAR ADDITION, NEW WALK-IN FREEZER, NEW RECESS SIDE ENTRANCE, CLOSING SEVEN WINDOWS, NEW WATERPROOFING TRIM, PAINTING, WATERPROOFING NEW WALL MOUNTED, LIGHTING,

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NEW MECHANICAL UNITS ON PLATFORMS AND A NEW FRONT DOOR ALL IN THE SECONDARY TERTIARY AND PRIMARY ABCS.

SO, SIR, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THIS? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

MEMBERS QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR MR. YOU'RE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? YES.

UM, TRIP ROUGHLY WHAT THE SEATING INSIDE AT WITH THE CLOSING OF ALL THE WINDOWS.

I JUST WONDER, IS THERE SEATING INSIDE? OH, ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK IT'S A 40 TO 50 SEATS, 40, 50 SEATS.

WELL, THAT BE AFFECTED BY THE CLOSING OF ALL OF THOSE WINDOWS.

ALL THOSE WINDOWS ARE IN THE KITCHEN.

SO, UM, I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, IT WILL NOT AFFECT THE, A SEATBELT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND ARE, ARE YOU CLOSING UP THOSE WINDOWS DUE TO FIRE ISSUES? OR WHY AREN'T YOU ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING? UH, WE ARE CLOSING THOSE BECAUSE WE NEED A, UH, FIRE RATED WALL TO COMPLY WITH CODE BECAUSE OF OUR CLOSENESS TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND WE'RE CLOSING THE REMAINING TWO, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE IN THE KITCHEN AND THE INTERIOR WALLS GO ACROSS THEM.

AND SO WE THOUGHT WE TREAT THEM ALL THE SAME FOR CONSISTENCY.

WHAT ABOUT THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE? ON THE EAST SIDE WEST? YEAH, THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST SIDE, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD CLOSE JUST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ONES IN THE WEST SIDE.

CAUSE THEY'RE IN THE KITCHEN AS WELL WITH THE WALL THAT RUNS IN FRONT OF HIM ON THE INSIDE.

I DO NEED TO CUT A DOOR ON THE EAST SIDE.

YEAH, WE'VE GOT A DOOR SO WE CAN HAVE TWO MEANS OF EGRESS.

IS THAT REQUIRED? UH, TWO MEANS TO BE AGGRESSIVE AS A OKAY.

SO THAT'S REQUIRED.

SO THESE MODIFICATIONS YOU'RE MAKING ARE REQUIRED THINGS.

UH MA'AM OKAY.

SO DOES THAT MEAN, UH, THAT THE NEW REAR DOOR IS ONLY INTO THE KITCHEN? UH, CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO, SO THERE ARE THREE DOORS JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE'S ONE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

UM, AND WE'D LIKE THAT TO BE A FULL GLASS DOOR WITHIN A METAL FRAME, JUST TO ALLOW DAYLIGHT INTO THE DINING AREA.

UM, THEN THERE'S A HALF GLASS DOOR ON THE SIDE OF THE DOOR, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS A SECOND MEANS OF EGRESS FOR THE DINING ROOM.

AND THEN THERE'S A DOOR ON THE, UH, SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH HAS NO GLASS AND THAT'S THE SERVICE ENTRANCE FOR THE KITCHEN.

SO THE DOOR THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE WHEN THE WATERS COME, CAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WATERPROOF AND YOU'VE DONE TO THE BUILDING AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THE WATER? THAT'S GOING TO COME INTO THAT LITTLE DOORWAY SO THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE PROVIDING THE TEMPORARY BULKHEAD IN FRONT OF THOSE DOORS.

UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE REVIEWED, UH, IN DESIGN REVIEW.

SO IT'S A TEMPORARY FLOOD GATE, IF YOU WILL.

IT GOES IN THERE TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THEM.

DOES THAT NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE APPLICATION IN SOME WAY, IF YOU HAD BENEFITED? UH, WE HAVE NOT JUST BECAUSE, UM, WELL I THINK IT WAS THEIR TEMPORARY.

DO WE NEED TO ADD THAT? WELL, SO THE ONLY TIME IT WOULD BE, UH, EVIDENCE IS, UH, WHAT, WHEN IT'S DEPLOYED.

UM, BUT THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME ATTACHMENTS OR SOME, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UM, UH, BRACKETS OR CHANNELS OR SOMETHING, UH, BUILT INTO THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO TAKE THE THINGS WHICH I SUPPOSE WITH THEM.

AND THOSE ARE PERMANENT.

UM, I SUPPOSE WE COULD ASK THAT IT BE REVIEWED AT THE TIME, UH, UH, THAT THEY GO TO INSTALL THOSE OR PRIOR TO INSTALLING THEM, UM, SO THAT WE CAN CHECK AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T SAY DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING OR THAT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING THE APPEARANCE, UH, HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BILL.

YEAH.

IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE IMPROVED IN TERMS OF STORM WINDOW PROTECTION, RIGHT? LIKE ON MITCHELL.

SO W WE TAKE NO EXCEPTION TO THAT BEING A CONDITION.

OKAY.

SO THAT'LL BE ONE CONDITION, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY CONDITION WE HAVE TO THIS.

WE'RE NOT WEARING TWO CONDITIONS TONIGHT, BUT THIS IS JUST ONE AND NOT FOR, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AND TRIP? WELL,

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THE MAJORITY PARKING BE IN THE REAR, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARKING IN THE REAR.

SO THEY WOULD WALK FROM THE REAR AROUND TO THE FRONT TO ENTER, I WOULD ASSUME SO OTHERWISE YOU'RE COMING IN BY THE BATHROOM, BUT I'M THINKING, YEAH.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? OKAY.

CAN I HAVE PLEASE, UH, A MOTION THAT CONTAINS THIS ONE CONDITION AND SOMEBODY GIVES ME EMOTION, YOUR EMOTION, MAN.

TONIGHT, YOU HIT THE TWO FOR TWO, FOR TWO ALREADY GO FOR, I MOVED THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE FOR APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS OR TWO 11 POLLOCK STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE, SECTION FIFTEEN FORTY ONE, ONE AND 15 4 29 AND NEW BERN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES.

AND FINDINGS OF FACT, UTILITY IS 2.3 0.1 AND TWO DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.12 AND FOUR MODIFICATIONS STREET, 0.2 0.1 AND TWO EDITION, 3.3 0.12 AND THREE FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.12 AND THREE WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 AND 4.2 0.4.

WHEN DOES DOORS AND OPENINGS 4.3 0.1 AND 4.3 0.2 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.13 ROOFS 4.5 0.6 MISSIONARY 5.1 0.24 AND FIVE, 5.4 0.23.

AND FOR THE TEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.2 AND SIX FINDINGS OF FACT PROJECTS LOCATED AT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROPOSAL IS AN ADDITION AND MODIFICATION PROJECT PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS OF MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL.

I REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COME IN QUARTERLY PROJECTS, NOT IN CONGRUENT WITH THE DIET GUIDELINES, THE CONDITION TO BE ADDED IS THAT WHEN WE ADD A PERMANENCY FOR THE PURPOSES OF FLOOD CONTAMINANT, WE'D COME BACK TO THE POOL.

ALL RIGHT, CAN WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND.

HE HAS A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

SAY I HEAR ALL THOSE AGAINST BAG VAGUE.

OKAY.

SO NO ONE'S AGAINST.

SO THE MOTION PASSED.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A CLA WITH THE ONE CONDITION THAT'S BEEN STATED? CAN I HAVE A MOTION WITH THE ONE CONDITION? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR.

SAY HERE I AM.

SECOND.

WE GOT, WE GOT TO GO ON HERE TONIGHT AND WE'VE HAD A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE AGAINST HEARING NONE.

YOU CAN BE ISSUED YOUR CLA WITH THE ONE CONDITION.

WELL, ONE TO RECEIVE OUR COMMISSIONER.

OKAY.

SO ARE YOU FINISHED TONIGHT, MR. URINE? WE ARE.

I'VE GOT, I HAVE A MOTION TO ALLOW THEM TO BE RECEIVED.

SOME THAT WE HAVE A MOTION OVER HERE.

SECOND OVER HERE, JIM.

SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.

YAY.

HEARING NONE.

YOU MAY REJOIN HER, SIR.

CAN

[3F. 616 New St. – to include a new shed, extend the driveway, and new fencing, all in the Tertiary AVC.]

WE GO TO ITEM? NEW STREET, MADAM CHAIR.

I BELIEVE I'VE LIVED WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THIS PROJECT.

DID YOU RECEIVE A LETTER? I DON'T HAVE A MAJOR MOVE.

DO YOU MOVE? OKAY, SO YOU'RE GOING TO RECUSE YOURSELF IF I MAY.

OKAY.

MATT, WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A CHAIR TO USED MADAM CHAIR.

YES.

I'M NOT SURE IF MS. SHERIDAN'S RESPONSE WAS CLEAR ON THE RECORD TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT RECEIVING A LETTER.

SHE SAID I DON'T HAVE A MAILBOX.

OKAY.

BUT IT MAY HAVE GONE TO MY OTHER ADDRESS.

HOWEVER, I HAVE PROPERTY WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET.

SO SHOULD WE CONSIDER HER ACKNOWLEDGING THAT OR YES.

OKAY.

SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECUSE YOU? WE HAVE A MOTION OVER HERE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND OVER HERE? PEGGY.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

YOU MAY LEAVE THIS ROOM LIVE.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM THEY WILL GIVE YOU BACK.

HEY, SORRY.

WE CAN HEAR ABOUT 6 1 6 NEW STREET.

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WE WILL WAIT ON YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO HERE WE HAVE THE, UH, APPLICATION, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE VARIOUS ITEMS ARE FILLED IN ON THE FIRST PAGE AND WE JUMPED RIGHT TO THE SECOND PAGE AND WE SEE, UH, WE HAVE THAT FILLED OUT PLUS WAIT A MINUTE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YES.

UM, AND SIGNED AND DATED HERE BY THE OWNERS.

UH, SO THE OWNER HAS ALSO PROVIDED, UH, ILLUSTRATIONS AND PHOTOGRAPHS.

SO HERE WE HAVE, UH, AERIAL VIEW, UH, WHICH SHOWS SIX 16 HERE IS THE LARGER ONE ON THE LEFT.

UM, AND THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED IS SHOWN HERE AS WELL WITH THE PATIO AND THEN, UH, HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT IT'S SHOWN THE SHED AND THERE'S, UM, UH, THE NEW SHED, RIGHT? SO, AND THEN ACTUALLY THIS, AND THEN ALL OF THIS IS THEIR YARD AS WELL.

UM, CURRENT.

AND SO HERE, THEY'VE SKETCHED FOR US ON A DIFFERENT DRAWING, THE EXTENDED EXTENSION TO THE DRIVEWAY, ABOUT EIGHT FEET BEYOND THE CURRENT LINE, WHICH IS HERE DASHED IN, UH, THE EXISTING PATIO.

UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE CEMENT FIRE PIT, AND THEN THE SHED HERE, A 10 BY 12 FOOT SHED THAT IS THREE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE HERE.

ALSO, THEY'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE AND UPDATE THE FENCE ON ALL SIDES OF THE PROPERTY UP TO, UH, WELL, BEGINNING HERE AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, AROUND TO THE LEFT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK, ALONG THE BACK, AND THEN BACK AROUND TO THE SIDE, UP TO THEIR CORNER OF THE BACK CORNER OF THEIR HOUSE, THEN THE PROVIDED A NUMBER OF PHOTOGRAPHS.

SO THIS IS THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY ALREADY HAS, UH, SOME FENCING AROUND THE END OF IT.

UH, THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND THIS THEN ANOTHER EIGHT FEET BEYOND THIS BACK FENCE.

AND, AND THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA RIGHT THERE, UH, ON THE SIDE, UH, THE FENCE RETURNS BACK TO THE HOUSE.

SO INSIDE OR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, THIS IS THEN THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY.

YOU SEE THE DRIVEWAY ON THE LEFT.

AND SO, UH, THE, UH, FENCE WILL BE EXTENDED BACK, UH, TO ABOUT ONE OF THESE POSTS HERE.

UH, AND, UH, THAT EXTENDS THE DRIVEWAY.

THIS IS THE FIRE PIT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE.

AND, UH, THIS IS THE PHOTOGRAPH BEHIND THE PATIO SHOWING THE, UH, EXISTING FENCING ALONG HERE, SEVERAL REPAIRS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OVER A COURSE OF TIME.

WE CAN SEE WITH THE NEWER WOOD THERE, UH, CAN ALSO SEE THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, OOPS.

AND CONTINUING ALONG THAT SIDE, UM, THAT IS THAT PHOTOGRAPH THERE.

THEN AGAIN, THAT SAME SIDE, LOOKING FROM ABOUT THE END OF THE PATIO, UH, ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BACK CORNER OF, OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND NOW A CLOSER UP SHOT OF THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AND SHOWING THE CONDITION OF THE FENCE AS WELL.

THEN, UH, CONTINUING ALONG THE BACK, UH, OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S MOSTLY, UM, UH, UH, OVERGROWN OR, UH, THE FENCING IS A WIRE FENCING, ALMOST CHICKEN WIRE FENCING.

AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO SHOW YOU THE CHICKEN WIRE FENCING, BUT IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE WITH THE PLANTS HERE.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE CLOSER UP THERE.

SO HERE YOU CAN THEN BEGIN TO SEE SOME OF THE HORIZONTAL LINES IN HERE OR SOME OF THE WIRES FOR THAT CHICKEN WIRE FENCE.

THEN, UH, UH, THEN ON THE THIRD SIDE, THE LONG, THE OTHERS LONG SIDE OF THE, UH, YARD, THIS IS THE CONDITION THERE AS WELL.

WITH MOST OF THAT, I BELIEVE IS ALSO WIRE FENCING.

IT WAS UNTIL THE END OF THE, UH, PLANTS DOWN HERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE HOUSE.

LOOKING BACK ALONG THERE, THE WOODEN FENCE DOES THEN PICK UP, UH, AS THE, AT, AROUND ABOUT THIS LOCATION HERE.

AND THEN THE VERY CORNER OF THE HOUSE,

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UH, IS WHERE THE FENCE THEN RETURNS BACK TO THE HOUSE.

SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE CONDITION OF THE FENCING.

THIS IS THE PROPOSAL FOR THE ACTUAL SHED, THE NEW SHED.

AND THEN, UH, UH, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE DOOR, THEN THIS IS THE ONE END OF THE SHED.

UH, THEY REVISED THE WINDOW, UH, TO BE MORE SQUARE OR VERTICAL.

AND THEN THE BACKSIDE OF THE SHED IS, UH, HAS NO WINDOW.

SO I BELIEVE, OH, YES.

SO, AND THEY ALSO PROVIDED THE ACTUAL ORDER FORM FOR THE, UH, SHED WOULD SHOW SOME OF THE MATERIALS.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, HARDIE, LAP SIDING AND, UH, THE OTHER ONE IS A FIBERGLASS DOORS.

UH, THE WINDOW IS 36 BY 40 WITH GRIDS.

UM, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE? UM, MAYBE THE NEXT SHEET, NO, AT THE BOTTOM HERE.

SO, UM, THIS SHOWS THE DOOR DOUBLE DOOR, UH, WINDOW THERE'S, UM, ACTUALLY A WINDOW ON EACH END OF THE SHED.

UH, I FELT THERE WAS SOMEWHERE WHERE IT SAID THE ROOFING, UH, ROOF, UH, OH, IT'S, UH, ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE, A BLACK OR A BLACK SHADOW.

OKAY.

SO AFTER THAT WE HAVE THE ZONING, AN INSPECTION REVIEW.

UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS THAT IT MEETS, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS, THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, BUT MUST MEET ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SETBACKS SHOWN ABOVE THE EIGHT FEET FROM THE NEAREST STRUCTURE, THREE FEET FROM THE SIDE AND THREE FEET FROM THE REAR.

THEY DID ALREADY SHOW THREE FEET FROM THE SIDE ON THE PLAN.

UM, CLEARLY WOULD BE, UH, FARTHER THAN EIGHT FEET AWAY.

IT SEEMS, AND CLEARLY FARTHER THAN THREE FEET AWAY FROM THE REAR.

UH, AND THEN THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID IT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.

IT'S JUST AT THE MINIMUM OF SIGNS FOR NEEDING A BUILDING PERMIT.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS READY WHEN YOU'RE READY.

OKIE DOKIE.

OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY, UM, DOES THE AFRICA WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THIS? SO MY UNSAFER MCALLISTER AND I AM THE HOMEOWNER.

UM, MY HUSBAND AND I, WE MOVED IN IN DECEMBER AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED THAT YOU'RE PART OF THE HISTORIC SOCIETY.

UM, SO ONE THING THAT THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS, UH, HE DIDN'T LEAVE OUT THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WOOD TRIM WINDOWS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLARIFIED FOR YOU GUYS AND THAT WE ARE DOING THE FIBERGLASS ASPHALT SHINGLES, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE GUIDELINES.

SO I DO WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR AT THIS POINT.

UM, AND THE OTHER THING, UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE RECEIVED FROM OUR BILL, OUR BUILDER AS THAT THE 10 BY 12 WOULD NOT REQUIRE A ZONING PERMIT.

THAT IS TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU GUYS, NOT SOMETHING THAT MY HUSBAND AND I ARE INTERESTED IN DOING.

UM, SO JUST TO GO AHEAD AND CLARIFY, WE WILL REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE SHED TO NOT HAVE TO DO THAT BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, WE DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THE EXTRA STEPS TO HAVE TO DO THAT.

UM, SO IF IT'S THE 10 BY 12, I, UH, AND THAT WAS THE MINIMUM IS WHAT YOU SAID.

UM, SO WE'LL PROBABLY DOWNSIZE THAT TO A 10 BY 10, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND THAT PAPER TO YOU.

UM, ONCE THAT WAS UPDATED WITH OUR TECH COMPANY.

OKAY, GREAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENTS NOTIFIED UPON US? IS THERE ANYBODY WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE IN HIS STANDING, NOBODY OUT THERE IS ANYBODY FROM THE CITY, STATE OR GOVERNMENT? NO.

OKAY.

SO CAN YOU GIVE US THEIR FINDINGS? DEFINITELY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADAMANT SABRA MCALLISTER, UH, FOR THEIR PROJECT, THAT 606 NEW STREET, UM, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A NEW SHED, EXTENDED DRIVEWAY AND NEW FENCING, ALL IN THE TERTIARY, ABC, UH, THE NATIONAL INVENTORY INFORMATION FOR THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS, UH, THE CICERO DUNKIN HOUSE BUILT IN 1885.

IT IS A CONTRIBUTING

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STRUCTURE AND THE DESCRIPTION IS TWO STORIES, THREE BAYS WIDE, TWO BAYS DEEP FOR FOUR SASH, HIP HIP ROOF PORCH, A SQUARE POST BALUSTRADES ALUMINUM SIDING, METAL CLAD CABLE AND ROOF CURVILINEAR BRACKETS BENEATH CORNERS RETURNS, TRANSFERS, TWO-STORY REAR ADDITIONS, UH, AND THERE IS NO SAND BACK DESCRIPTION FOR THAT.

UH, SO STAFF SMITHS, THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.

SO FENCES IN GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1 2.5 0.3 2.5 0.4.

UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.1 2.6 0.3 PARKING 2.7 0.12 AND FOUR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 3.1 0.2 FOUNDATIONS 4.1 0.3, WALLS TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.4 4.2 0.5 WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2 AND THREE MASONRY 5.1 0.5 METALS 5.3 0.4, PAINT 5.4 0.23 AND FOUR, AND CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS BY 0.5 0.123, UH, FIVE AND SIX AND STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.

THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE TERTIARY.

ABC THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.

THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A NEW SHED, EXTENDED DRIVEWAY AND NEW FENCING, ALL IN TERTIARY, ABC.

ALL RIGHT.

SO MA'AM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? OKAY, SO WE NEED TO AMEND THIS IN SOME WAY THAT THE SHED'S GOING TO BE 10 BY 10 INSTEAD OF 10 BY 12, WHERE DO WE NEED TO AMEND? UM, BUT I SUPPOSE, YEAH, UH, UM, YOU CAN, I MEAN, IT GETS SMALLER.

UM, YOU COULD APPROVE IT AS BOTH.

YOU COULD SAY, UM, IT'S APPROVED AS A 10 BY 12 OR A 10 BY 10.

YOU COULD DO IT THAT WAY AND THEN JUST BE DONE, BE DONE WITH IT THAT WAY.

OR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ME REVIEW IT, UM, AFTER THEY SUBMIT THE REVISED DRAWINGS TO SUBMIT IT AS A CONDITION, SO WILL HAVE THOSE CONDITION THERE THAT YOU WILL REVIEW THE REVISED DRAWING, UH, THIS FOR THE SIZE OF THE SHIP.

SURE.

OKAY.

THAT'LL BE THE ONE CONDITION WHERE THE SHED IS GOING TO BE THE SAME, JUST SMALL, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SURE.

IT WILL BE EXACTLY THE SAME.

I'LL JUST DOWNSIZE IT AGAIN, TO BE HONEST, LIKE I DON'T WANT TO DO A BUILDING PERMIT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO ASK AT THIS POINT? ONE QUESTION, DO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE FOUNDATION IS GOING TO BE CONCRETE BLOCK? I HAVE A PICTURE OF THE BRICK THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE FOR THE FOUNDATION.

UM, I LIVE IN RALEIGH, I'M WARNED TO VETERINARY SCHOOL, SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET IT IN TIME.

SO I'M NOT SURE I COULD, HOW I COULD SHOW THAT TO YOU, BUT I HAVE IT ON MY PHONE.

UM, I COULD WALK OVER THERE AND SHOW IT TO YOU.

IS THAT ALLOWED, PROBABLY SHOW IT TO HIM.

WELL, WE CAN PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN AND HE CAN PUT IT ON IT'S RIGHT HERE.

ASK THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THAT.

UM, SO FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, THE BRICK THAT WE'RE GOING TO, I DID HOLD IT.

I WAS IN A HURRY TODAY.

UM, I HAD TO LEAVE DIRECTLY FROM MY CLINICAL ROTATION TO BE HERE ON TIME, UH, FOR THIS MEETING.

SO I DROVE FROM RALEIGH.

UM, SO THIS WAS A QUICK PICTURE THAT I SNAPPED OF LIKE THE TOP THREE BRICKS, UM, ON THE STACK.

BUT WE DO HAVE A LARGE STACK OF THE BRICK THAT WAS USED TO DO THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOME THAT WE LIVE IN.

UM, AND THAT IS THE BRICK THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE.

UH, SO AGAIN LIKE THIS MAY NOT BE LIKE THE PRETTIEST BRICK IN THIS PICTURE AS A WARNING, BUT IT'S WHAT I COULD GET QUICK AND MAKE SURE THAT I COULD BE HERE ON TIME FOR YOU GUYS.

IT'S AUTHENTIC.

THAT'S CORRECT.

I'M SORRY.

SAY THE FACT THAT GOES WITH THE HOUSE WAS LIKE THAT, UH, MY MOM GREW UP AND LOVED VICTORIAN HOMES, SO I'VE LIVED IN VICTORIAN HOMES, A LOT OF MY LIFE, AND SHE PASSED ON HER LOVE FOR THEM TO MEET SOME VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT GOING.

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UH, UH, WE'LL DO THE HANDLE AROUND THE CROWD.

DO WE NEED TO SEE THE PICTURE? I MEAN, SHE'S SAYING SHE'S GOING TO USE THE TRADITIONAL GRIP THAT THEY BRING CLAIM FROM THE HOUSE.

IS THAT OKAY? DO WE NEED THAT? CAN WE JUST LEAVE IT UP? OKAY.

THE HANDLE I'M OKAY.

IF IT'S BRITTANY, IF IT'S BREAKING NEWS FROM THE HOUSE, THAT'S FINE.

OKAY, GOOD.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION PAPER? YEAH.

AND DO WE NEED TO REFER THAT TO MEN WHEN THEY FINALLY DECIDE OR NO, THEY HAVE DECIDED SHE HAS PICTURES OF IT.

DO YOU WANT TO SLEEP? COULD YOU SHOW HER THE PICTURE? JUST SHOW HER THE PICTURE, WALK OVER THERE AND SHOW OTHER PEOPLE.

YEAH.

SO WE COULD MAKE, MAKE A NOTE ALSO IN THERE THAT THAT'S THE FOUNDATION THAT SHE'S GOING TO USE.

I THINK IT STATES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION REGARDING, UM, 6 1, 6 NEW STREET, UH, WITH THE CONDITION ADDED TO IT THAT, UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW DRAWING FOR THE SIZE OF THE SHED.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

OKAY.

SO JEN, DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY I MOVED THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION, UH, A S OR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE AS 4, 6, 16 NEW STREET TO BE, UH, NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS 15 DASH FOUR, 11 TO 15 DASH FOUR TWENTY NINE AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT, LET'S SEE, I'VE GOT THEM HERE, FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5, ONE THREE AND FOUR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6, ONE AND THREE PARKING 2.712 AND FOUR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1, ONE AND TWO FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.3, WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 OR 4.2 0.4 AND FIVE WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2 AND THREE MASONARY 5.1 0.5 METALS, 5.3 0.4, PAINT 5.4 0.2, THREE AND FOUR, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.1 5.512 AND THREE, UH, SICK FIVE AND SIX.

UM, FINDINGS OF FACTS.

THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE TIGHT LEAD DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROJECT IS WITHIN A TERTIARY, ABC, THE OTHERS DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

AND THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES, UH, ON THE CONDITION THAT THE, UH, THAT THE REDUCED BUILDING COME BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR REVIEWED 10 BY 10, COME BACK FOR REVIEW.

IS THAT OKAY TO JUST LET THAT COME BACK TO, I THINK, I THINK HAVING THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REVISED APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TESTIMONY TODAY IS APPROPRIATE.

UH, MADAM CHAIR, AS I'VE REFLECTED ON THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT, AS IT RELATES TO THIS APPLICATION, I MUST CONFESS IT.

I HAVE NOT MEMORIZED THE BUILDING CODE, AND I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THE REDUCTION OF SIZE ALONE WOULD EXCLUDE THIS PROJECT FROM NEEDING A BUILDING PERMIT.

UM, UH, I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT THE 12 FOOT DIMENSION IS WHAT TRIGGERS THE JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES.

THE ONLY RECOMMEND THE ONLY REQUIREMENT THEY HAVE AT THAT POINT FOR A SHED IS A HURRICANE TIE-DOWNS.

YEAH.

IT'S NOT A HARD PROCESS YOU WANT TO GET THERE.

IT'S REALLY NOT HARD, BUT MADAM CHAIR THAT IF HURRICANE TIE-DOWNS OR WHATEVER ARE ALSO REQUIRED WITH THE REDUCED

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SIZE, THAT THERE'D BE A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICATION COMPLY WITH ANY RELEVANT ZONING ORDINANCES.

SO IF, IF THE TIE-DOWNS BUILDING CODE, I'M SORRY, BUILDING CODE REGULATIONS SO THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE, UM, THAT'S IN CONSIDERATION.

AND IF IT, IF, IF IT DOESN'T APPLY THEN SPECIFIC REGULATIONS ON THE PLATFORM THEY DON'T APPLY.

OKAY.

SO I WILL SECOND THE MOTION WITH THE CONDITION.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU'VE GOT ALL THAT WRITTEN DOWN, SIR.

YEP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM WE APPRECIATE IT NEXT.

SO, UH, THE CONDITION IS, UH, FOR THE REDUCED SIZE OF THE SHED TO COME BACK TO THE, UH, HPA AND TO COMPLY WITH ANY, UH, APPLICABLE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS.

THAT SOUNDS JUST ABOUT WHAT SHE SAID.

I BELIEVE WHAT SHE SAID.

WE'VE HAD A MOTION.

WE'VE HAD A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR AND WE GOT THE CONDITION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

THE MOTION PATH.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION WITH THE CONDITION TO GIVE A CEO? UH, SO MOOD, SO MOOD, DID WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND OVER HERE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

SAY I HEAR THAT ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE, YOU CAN BE ISSUED YOUR COA WITH THIS CONDITION.

SO IF YOU'LL GET WITH MATT AND FIND OUT WHETHER YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT AND PUT THE STRAPS OR WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR COMMON.

WE KNOW YOU HAD TO LEAVE AND GET HERE, SO THANK YOU FOR GETTING HERE.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

SO LET'S GO THEN

[3G. 316 Liberty St. – to include a new infill 1-story house and parking area.]

TO G TO THREE 16 LIBERTY STREET.

CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT? YES.

OKAY.

OH, WE NEED TO RECEIPT, UH, ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS.

OH, OH YES.

CAN WE HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE SHERATON RETURN TO THE PODIUM.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, I HAVE A SECOND OVER HERE BY PATTY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

SHE'S COMING THIS WAY.

EMOTION.

SO TELL US ABOUT THREE 16 LIBERTY STREET.

CAN YOU COME ASK A QUESTION? MY SCREENSHOT ON, CAN YOU INDIVIDUALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT OR NOT? UH, I THINK, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

IF I, IF I LOOK OVER THERE, IF I NEED TO, OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

LET US PROCEED ON.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THE BLIND, UH, WE WON'T GO THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

THREE 16 LIBERTY STREET HERE.

WE HAVE OUR APPLICATION, UH, UH, FULLY FILLED OUT AND SIGNED AND DATED.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION BY THE OWNER THAT THE, UH, WHERE DID IT SAY, SEE OUR PRINTS, THIS ARCHITECTURE IS AUTHORIZED TO REPRESENT THEM.

UH, AND AS WITH THE, AT THE, UH, UM, DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, I POINTED OUT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS INDEED IN THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT I'LL BE AT RIGHT ON THE EDGE IN THE CORNER, ESSENTIALLY POLLOCK AND LIBERTY STREET IS WHERE THE BOUNDARY IS HERE, SHOWN IN YELLOW AND THE PROPERTY, ACTUALLY THREE PROPERTIES, UH, PARCELS, UH, SUBJECT TO THIS PROJECT ARE SHOWN HERE IN BLUE.

I SKIPPED SOMETHING.

NOPE.

UH, AND THEN THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED THESE PHOTOS.

THE, UH, UPPER PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS, UH, LET ME MAKE THIS BIGGER, SORRY.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS HERE, THE GRASSY AREA ON THE RIGHT.

YOU HAVE AN EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN THE, WHICH IS ON, SAY THESE, THE MIDDLE PARCEL.

AND THEN THE THIRD HAS THIS, UH, UH, STRUCTURE HOUSE ON THE FRONT OF IT.

THIS SHOW IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE AREA WHERE THE HOUSE IS TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

UH, MIGHT ALSO NOTE THE, UM, THE, UH, BENCH ALONG THE SIDEWALK IS A BUS STOP, I GUESS, AREA THEN, UH, LOOKING ACROSS THE, UH, SITE, UH, ADJACENT TO IT IS THE DAYCARE CENTER, UH, FOR

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THE, UM, HOUSING PROJECT THERE.

UH, THERE'S ALSO A DRIVEWAY IN BETWEEN, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM.

THIS DRIVEWAY HERE ON THE RIGHT, THE SITE IS AGAIN THE GRASSY AREA HERE.

AND LOOKING ALONG THE STREET TO, UM, DEMONSTRATE THE STREETSCAPE, THE RELEVANT CONTEXT.

UH, THE SITE HERE IS SHOWN BEHIND THE TREE.

THERE'S THE DRIVEWAY WE JUST POINTED OUT EARLIER.

AND SO THE GRASS AREA, AND THEN THE CONCRETE BLOCK, A HOUSE BEHIND THAT.

SO A STAFF AUGMENTED THOSE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS.

UM, THESE ALBEIT ARE FROM 2012, WHEREAS THE APPLICANTS WERE RECENT.

SO THIS BEING THE, UH, SITE HERE ON THE UPPER, RIGHT, UH, THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT YET THERE IN 2012.

THAT'S THE CONCRETE BLOCK HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET IS ANOTHER HOUSE.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, BUT THAT IS THE ONLY HOUSE YOU CAN SEE IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, AS YOU PROCEED FARTHER DOWN, OOPS.

PART THE DOWN THE STREET, HERE'S THE CONCRETE BLOCK HOUSE NEXT TO IT IS ACTUALLY ANOTHER SMALL HOUSE, UH, TUCKED UNDER THESE TREES.

THEN AFTER THAT, UH, HAD DROVE SORTS AND THEN A VACANT LOT WITH LAWN, AND THEN FINALLY THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER WITH THE HEAD AROUND IT.

UM, THEN LOOKING THE OTHER DIRECTION, YOU SEE, AGAIN, THE DRIVEWAY THAT TREE AND THE, UH, DAYCARE, BUT ACROSS THE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A VACANT LOT AGAIN, UH, AND SOME TREES AROUND THE PERIMETERS THAT THOSE LOTS, THE MIDDLE PHOTO SHOWS, UH, A MORE HEAD-ON VIEW OF THE, UH, DAYCARE BUILDING, UH, SHOWING THE, THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THAT AND CHARACTER OF THAT.

AND THEN LO AND BEHOLD, FARTHER DOWN THE STREET ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE IS, UM, UH, ONE MORE HISTORIC CHARACTER BUILDING ON THE STREET.

THIS, UH, NOW IS THE SITE PLAN PROPOSED, UH, FOR THE, UH, HOUSE THAT WAS SHOWN HERE IN GRAY.

THE WHITE IS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT, AND THEN THE NEW SIDEWALK ALONG THE, UH, NOPE, LET'S CALL IT NORTHERN SIDE.

AND WHAT YOU ALSO SEE HERE ARE SOME OF THE PROPERTY LINES, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING A PARKING LOT AND THIS OTHER GRAY AREA UP HERE, AND THIS IS THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY, UH, AND THE EXISTING PARKING AREA FOR THE HOUSE THAT, UH, UH, WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS ACTUALLY LIVE IN THIS BUILDING BEHIND HERE.

SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS, UM, THE PROPERTY LINES ARE SHOWN HERE IN RED.

AND SO THE, THE MAIN PARCEL IS, UH, DELINEATED HERE BY THIS HAND, BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SLIVER OF A PARCEL THAT ACTUALLY IS, UM, 20 FEET OR SO WIDE, MAYBE NOT EVEN, UH, AND, UH, EXTENDS THE POOL LENGTH OF THIS PROPERTY.

SO THIS PARKING AREA CROSSES THAT AND ACTUALLY EXTENDS ONTO THE THIRD PARCEL.

ALL PARCELS ARE OWNED BY THE, UH, BY THE OWNERS.

SO ALL THREE ARE, ARE UNDER THEIR OWNERSHIP.

UM, BUT IT MAY BECOME AN ISSUE WITH ZONING WITH REGARD TO, UM, HAVING PARKING FOR THE HOUSE EXISTING ON TWO OTHER PARCELS.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SO THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING A NEW HOUSE ON THE SAME PROPERTY AS THE EXISTING HOUSE, NOR THEIR CURRENT HOUSE, WHERE THEY LIVE IT'S ON ITS OWN SEPARATE PARCEL TO BE CLEAR.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS, UH, UH, FLOORPLAN JUST BRIEFLY OF THE HOUSE, THE STREETS ON THE LEFT, UH, AND THE SIDEWALK EXISTING WITH THE NEW SIDEWALK.

UH, THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE IS AROUND TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, UH, HERE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.

UH, AND THEN OTHER THAN THAT, UH, FOR US, THERE'S A SERIES OF LIGHTS ALONG THE SIDEWALK.

UM, ONE WINDOW ON THE FRONT, UH, ONE ON THE SIDE, UH, TOWARDS THE FRONT ONE, UH, DOORWAY ALONG THE SIDE, UM, THAT LEADS TO KIND OF A UTILITY AREA.

UH, THE KITCHEN IS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

THE OTHER THING TO NOTICE HERE IS ALONG THE BACKSIDE, UH, THERE IS THESE DASH, WHAT LOOKS LIKE A DASH LINE IS ACTUALLY, UH, A LATTICE OR A SCREEN VERTICAL SCREEN, UH, UH, WOOD SLATS VERTICAL WOULD CROSS.

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AND IN THIS CONFIGURATION AND IN BETWEEN THAT, AND THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS WHERE THE MECHANICAL UNITS ARE LOCATED.

THEN ALONG THE, UH, THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE HOUSE HERE, UH, THE SOUTHERN SIDE, THERE'S LARGE EXPANSIVE WINDOWS ON THIS SIDE, THEN THERE'S TWO MORE WINDOWS.

ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ONE.

SO THIS SHOWS THE ELEVATIONS FOR THIS HOUSE.

SO THE FRONT IS ACTUALLY THIS UPPER RIGHT ONE.

SO THIS IS WHAT FACES THE STREET.

AND WE'LL SEE SOME THREE-DIMENSIONAL IMAGES HERE SHORTLY, JUST TO, UH, TO EXPLAIN THIS BETTER.

THIS ELEVATION IS THE SIDE ELEVATION WHERE THE, UH, SIDEWALK GOES ALONG THIS SIDE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE QUOTE UNQUOTE FRONT DOOR AT THE BACK, THE BACK FRONT DOOR, THE FRONT DOOR.

SO, AND THEN, UH, THIS ON THE RIGHT LOWER RIGHT IS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WITH THAT VERTICAL WOODS, LAT SCREAM, UH, UH, SCREAMINGLY HPAC UNITS, WHICH YOU ALSO SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THIS, UH, LOWER LEFT DRAWING.

UH, AND THEN THIS SIDE IS THE SIDE THAT FACES THE, UH, MORE THE ALLEY THAT'S ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND SO THIS LITTLE PERSON HERE IS A STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK OUT FRONT WE'RE IN THE FRONT YARD.

OKAY, KEEP GOING.

SO, WHOOPS, HERE WE GO.

SO THIS WOULD BE, SAY THE PRIMARY, UH, UM, ILLUSTRATION SHOWING THE BASIC FORM AND SHAPE AND CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING.

UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, ALMOST AN ENTIRE FIRST, UH, EIGHT FEET OR SO, UH, BRICK, UH, SIDING AROUND THE ENTIRE BASE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ABOVE THAT IS, UH, SOME SIDING AND THE SLOPED ROOFS.

UH, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT TEXTURE HERE, UH, IN THIS FORM HERE, AND THESE ARE THE LIGHTING, UH, BOWERS, UH, ALONG THE SIDEWALK.

AND SO YOU WOULD ENTER UNDERNEATH THIS, UH, OVERHANG HERE TO GO AROUND THE CORNER AND INTO THE FRONT ENTRANCE, WHICH IS AT THE BACK, UH, THIS WOULD BE THE OTHER FRONT ELEVATION.

SO, UM, FROM THE OTHER ANGLE, SAY FROM THE ENTRANCE TO THE BIG DRIVEWAY ON THE RIGHT AND, UH, CAN SEE THE VARIOUS, UH, ROUTE FORMS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE ONE, UH, OF THE BUILDING NEXT, NEXT DOOR, UH, PERSPECTIVE ALONG THE ENTRANCE WALKWAY.

AND, UM, THERE WOULD, UH, THERE WOULD BE THE, UH, GRAVEL DRIVEWAY IN HERE INSTEAD OF THE GRASS.

UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CAR PARKED, I GUESS, KIND OF UNDER BEHIND THIS TREE.

THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING AREA WOULD BE.

AND THEN FINALLY THE, UH, PERSPECTIVE FROM THE REAR VIEW A LITTLE BIT DARK AND DUE TO THE SHADING, BUT, UH, GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE, UH, METAL, THE WOOD VERTICAL SLATS FOR THE SCREAM FOR THE HPAC UNITS.

OKAY.

AND THEN I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR THE, UH, ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, SORRY.

FIRST, UM, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE AND MUST MEET THE SETBACKS PROVIDED ABOVE, UM, BEING THE FRONT IS THE AVERAGE ALONG THE STREET SCAPE.

AND THE SIDE IS FIVE FEET AND THE REAR IS SIX FEET.

THEN THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS, OF COURSE, WE'LL NEED A BUILDING PERMIT, AND THEN WE'RE READY WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THIS PROJECT? ANYONE WHO HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE REPUTATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME? OKAY.

DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO MAKE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS AT THIS TIME? UH, CHARLES FRANCIS ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT, AND I THINK THAT MATT HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF DESCRIBING THE PROJECT FOR, SO WE'LL LET IT STAND WITH THAT AND WE'LL RECEIVE QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENT OF THIS PROJECT? IS THERE ANY NOTIFIED OPPONENT SEE ANY, IS THERE ANYBODY WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE THAT HAS STANDING SEE ANYBODY? IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE CITY, STATE OR GOVERNMENT BODY THAT LIKES THE SAME THING? ALL RIGHT.

SO WE CAN MOVE RIGHT ON AND YOU CAN TELL US YOUR STAFF ON.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL START HERE WITH, UM,

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THE APPLICANTS ARE BURNED INVESTMENT GROUP INCORPORATED AND SEE OUR FRANCIS ARCHITECTURE OR THE PROJECT AT THREE 16 LIBERTY STREET, HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS NOT APPLICABLE.

IT'S VACANT PLOT.

AND THERE IS OF COURSE NO INVENTORY DESCRIPTION OR SANDBAG DESCRIPTION.

AND THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A NEW INFILL, ONE STORY HOUSE AND PARKING AREA.

SO A STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO PUT 1.1, TWO AND THREE FOR UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1 AND TWO FOR LANDSCAPING, 2.4 0.4 FOR PARKING TO 0.7 0.12, FOUR, AND FIVE FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.12 AND FIVE INFILL CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.12, THREE AND FOUR, OR FOUNDATIONS 4.1 0.3, WALLS TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.4 WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.3 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.4, PAINT 5.4 0.234, AND CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS.

5.5 0.12, THREE AND SIX STATEMENTS OR REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STEPS.

JUDGMENT ARE ONE.

THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATH TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ALONG THE LIBERTY STREET HAS BEEN SEVERELY WEAKENED BY VACANT LOTS AND NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES.

THREE.

THE PROPOSAL IS AN INFILL PROJECT IN A MODERN STYLE TO FIT WITH A NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE FOR THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, FIVE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND SIX.

THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVED THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A NEW INFILL ONE-STORY HOUSE, SOME PARKING AREA WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION BEFORE PULLING A BUILDING PERMIT, THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE VERIFICATION OF THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS TO THE HPA.

IF SITE CHANGES ARE NEEDED, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT REVISED DRAWINGS TO THE HPA FOR HIS APPROVAL OR FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE HPC.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SO ANY FINAL COMMENTS OR YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? I THINK THE ONLY COMMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE US DEALING WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UH, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS A ZONE ESTABLISHED BETWEEN THE BUILDING THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE STREET AND THE BUILDING OF SPURRED US AWAY FROM THE STREET AND THAT WE SHOULD FALL WITHIN THAT, WHICH WE DID.

YEAH.

MAYBE I SHOULD CLARIFY.

IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE PARKING.

YEAH.

RIGHT.

SO, OKAY.

MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

I DO WANT TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION.

I KNOW THAT IN DENYING, WE, WE HEARD FROM COMMENTS ABOUT THE CHOICE OF STYLE AND WANTING TO BE SIMILAR OR CONNECTED WITH THE OTHER STRUCTURES.

BUT IN THAT BLOCK, IT'S ALL OVER THE MAP.

IT'S RESIDENTIAL, MODERN, MORE CONTEMPORARY.

SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE CHOICE FOR THIS REALLY MODERN STRUCTURE IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT.

WE TOOK THE ONE WHICH REALLY REPRESENTED THE TIME PERIOD THAT WE'RE IN TODAY, WHICH IS THE DAYCARE CENTER NEXT DOOR FOR A, FOR A RESIDENCE, NOT A BUSINESS.

RIGHT? SAY THAT AGAIN.

SAY THAT AGAIN.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BLOCK THAT THIS IS SITTING ON, THE DAYCARE CENTER IS THE ONLY STRUCTURE WHICH COULD BE CONSIDERED A STRUCTURE THAT BE WELL, WHAT'S THE TERM WITHDRAWAL USE RUTH, NOT CONGRUENT, BUT THAT'S ONE THAT REPRESENTS ITS TIME.

WELL, CONTEMPORARY REPRESENTS THE NEWEST THING.

IT'S LIKE THE NEWEST THING ON THE STREET.

IT'S THE ONLY WORK OF ARCHITECTURE ON THAT STREET.

LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.

THE REST OF THE STRUCTURES ARE JUST BUILDINGS.

THEY'RE NOT MORE ARCHITECTURAL VERNACULAR.

WELL, IT'S NOT VERNACULAR.

IT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING.

RIGHT? IT'S UH, THAT'S,

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THAT'S OUR REASONING BEHIND IT.

YOU CONSIDER THE DAYCARE CENTER TO BE THE WORK OF PRIMARY ARCHITECTURAL INTEREST ON THE STREET.

NOT ONLY ON THAT STREET, ON THAT BLOCK.

OKAY.

AND IS THE DAYCARE CENTER CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE? NO, NO.

THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS NOT EVEN 50 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME THAT WE SET UP THE DISTRICT.

RIGHT.

WE, BUT WE'VE DONE EXPANSIONS OR WE'VE DONE REVISIONS TO THE DISTRICT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE TIME PERIOD WAS THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANT SYPRINE ONSET, BUT STRUCTURE WAS BUILT ABOUT 1978.

OH, OKAY.

SO IT'S WORKING ON 50 YEARS.

SO IT'S YOUR POINT OF INSPIRATION.

OKAY.

SURE.

THANK YOU.

SO FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, UM, AND, AND FITTING WITHIN GUIDELINES, DO YOU HAVE A GUIDELINE TO BACK UP THAT CHOICE? UH, I'M, I'M STRETCHED.

I'M TRYING TO BE STRUGGLING TO GET THERE.

SO HELP ME GET THERE.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT TRACK GUIDELINES THAT EVEN REPRESENT ANYTHING IN THE MODERN ERA.

ACTUALLY, WE DO WELL FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION.

THERE'S A GUIDELINE NOW THERE'S LOTS OF, UH, I'M GOING TO HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT WHILE ELLEN IS SLIPPING.

SO GUIDELINE 3.4 0.1 MAINTAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BUILDING MASS AND OPEN SPACE THAT EXISTS ON THE BLOCKERS STREET SCAPE.

WE CAN GO INTO THAT.

I'D SAY WE'D PROBABLY CHECK THAT BOX.

UM, THE BIRD DOMINANT MATERIAL OF AN INFIELD BUILDING GUIDELINE 3.4 0.2 SHALL VISUALLY EMULATE THE PALLET OF MATERIALS TRADITIONALLY FOUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT BRICK AND WOOD SHINGLE SEDAN, VERTICAL WINDOWS, PREDOMINANTLY, UM, GUIDELINE 3.4 0.3 IS A USE OF MODERN MATERIALS IS ACCEPTABLE AS MEANS OF CONTINUING THE EVOLUTION OF ARCHITECTURE THREE TIME.

HOWEVER, THE, WELL YOU'RE NOT USING ANY INAPPROPRIATE MATERIALS.

SO, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY I THINK WE'RE SAYING THIS IS A RECORD OF ITS TIME AND PLACE.

THE VACANT LOT JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN THIS STORAGE DISTRICT.

OKAY.

UM, AND THEN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH THAT LEADS INTO THOSE GUIDELINES IS WHAT I WAS SEARCHING FOR, WHICH IS AN INFILL STRUCTURE AND MEAN HE MOVED THIS CAUSE PROBABLY IMPOSSIBLE TO HEAR ME AND INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD REFLECT THIS TIME OF DESIGN, WHICH IS NOW THE INTENT OF NEW BERMS. HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES IS NOT TO IMPOSE PARTICULAR ARCHITECTURAL STYLES, BUT TO GUIDE CHANGE THAT PROTECTS AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE CHARACTER OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

SO EVALUATE THE CONTEXT AND SENSITIVITY OF THE IMMEDIATE AREA, WHICH IS THE DAYCARE CENTER AND SHAPE INFILL CONSTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION TO POSITIVELY IMPACT THAT.

OKAY.

SO IT'S SPECIFICALLY TO ROOF LINES.

THAT'S THE, THOSE GUYS, DIVERGING ROOF LINES ARE, SOME ARE GROW TO ELECT THE DAYCARE CENTER THAT'S ADJACENT.

SO IT'S AN ANCILLARY STRUCTURED TO WHAT'S EXISTING AND THE TWO BUILDINGS HAVE A DIALOGUE.

AND AS WE GO AROUND THE BLOCK FOR END MILL, THEN OTHER STRUCTURES WILL EVOLVE JUST AS, AND THE PICTURE SHOWN HERE, THE NEW TOWNHOUSES DOWN BY THE WATERFRONT HAVE A DIFFERENT SORT OF ORNAMENTATION THAN HAD THEY BEEN CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTED A HUNDRED YEARS PREVIOUS.

HOWEVER, IF WE HAD EMPTY LOTS AND THEN, THEN THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION WILL, AND I THINK PART OF THIS AREA IS UNDER CONSIDERATION THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

IF I'M NOT, I GET SOME NODDED HEADS OUT THERE.

SO THEY WILL BRING US ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT WILL BE DESIGNED BY OTHER ARCHITECTS AND WILL INTERPRET THE GUIDELINES THAT HIS OR HER WAY.

BUT THE PROBLEM THEY'RE GOING TO RUN INTO IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY WORKING WITH AN EMPTY FIELD, RIGHT? AND SO, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER YOUR COMMISSIONERS, YOU'RE BUSY AND I ARE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THIS COMMITTEE.

THAT'S ABOUT GUIDELINE UPDATES.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS SEEK TO ENCOURAGE

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IS NOT WHAT IS CALLED IN THE PRESERVATION BUSINESS, PHONY COLONE, BUT BUILDINGS THAT REFLECT THE, IN WHICH THEY WERE DESIGNED, WHICH IS NOW JUST AS A VICTORIAN HOUSE REFLECTS ITS ERA OR FEDERAL STYLE HOUSE REFLECTS ITS ERA ERA, A NEW HOUSE NEEDS TO REFLECT OUR ERA.

YES AND NO.

WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, AT HARMONY WITHIN A BLOCK, YOU HAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THAT CORNER IS MORE CONTEMPORARY.

AND THEN YOU HAVE LITERALLY FARMHOUSES, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU GO DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S A SINGLE FARM HOUSE.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, SO YOU REALLY ARE DEALING WITH YESTERYEAR AND, AND WE'RE INFILLING WITH A MODERN STRUCTURE.

AND SO YOU START GETTING A COMBINATION OF ALL KINDS OF THINGS ON THAT BLOCK.

IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING? WELL, YES, BECAUSE STREETS AND CITIES EVOLVE OVER TIME.

AND SO YOU WANT IT, ARCHITECTURE IS A PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION OF THE EVOLUTION OVER TIME.

AND SO YOU WANT YOUR BUILDINGS TO REFLECT THE TIMES IN WHICH THEY WERE BUILT JUST AS THE BUILDING THAT WE STRUGGLED WITH.

SO ON FRONT STREET, ON YOUR BLOCK THAT HAD BEEN A CEMENT BLOCK COTTAGE THAT SEEMED DISHARMONIOUS HARMONIOUS WITH THE BLOCK, BUT IT WAS AN ACTIVE REPRESENTATION OF WHEN THE LUMBERYARD WAS THERE AND THAT WORKING PEOPLE LIVED IN THOSE HOUSES AT THAT TIME.

AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS REALLY A STRUGGLE FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WHEN IT WAS IN TROUBLE.

AND SO A NEW BUILDING SIMILARLY GOES UP AND REFLECTS THIS PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL COME TO NEWBURN.

WHEN YOU HAVE, I HAVE A VACANT LOT ON A BLOCK WHERE THERE ARE HOMES THAT ARE ORIGINAL TO THE AREA, THEN YOU HAVE, UH, INFILL THAT WAS DONE IN THE FIFTIES OR SIXTIES AND IS REFLECTIVE OF THAT TIME.

YOU'RE THEN MAKING A DECISION ON THE PHONY COLUMBIA, YOU KNOW, OR WHENEVER YOU WRITE THAT YOU'RE MEANT TO ACADEMIC, HISTORIC PRESENT IN ACADEMIA, IF YOU'RE STUDYING HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WILL LEARN IS THAT YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT DISNEY, YOU KNOW? AND SO YOU DON'T WANT TO ATTEMPT TO RECREATE WHAT WAS, BUT YOU WANT TO CREATE, WHAT IS, IS THAT HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH IT IF, TO SAY THAT THAT VACANT LOT THE RIVER ACROSS FROM ME, I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO PUT THEM ON HER CONTEMPORARY AND THAT LOT BECAUSE WE'RE REFLECTIVE OF THE DAY THAT'S BEING BUILT AT THE WEEK WE HAVE IN THE TICKET OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A STRUCTURE THERE THAT IS MODERN.

YES.

BECAUSE IT'S BEING BUILT NOW ABOUT THE SAME TOKEN.

IT SHOULDN'T REFLECT OTHER STRUCTURES AROUND IT IN SCALE AND MATERIALS, FENESTRATION, WHICH IS THE, WE DID WHAT WE DID BASED ON THAT DAYCARE CENTER BILL.

SO I MEAN, CLEARLY THAT FITS WELL IN THAT CORNER.

I'M NOT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT DESIGN IN THAT CORNER.

THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY INFILLS CAN BE REFLECTIVE OF TODAY, 2022, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE ALL OVER THE MAP AND THEN I WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE REALLY PRESERVING AND WITHIN OUR HEART HISTORIC DISTRICT.

OKAY.

SO IF YOU HAVE A FARMHOUSE AND YOU HAVE AN UNFORTUNATE, UH, LOCATION NEXT TO IT, EMPTY LOT, THEY CAN PUT A CONTEMPORARY NEXT TO YOU.

IT SHOULD BE RELATED TO YOUR HOUSE.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M SORRY TO TAKE UP YOUR TIME AND WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER TIME.

OKAY.

UNLESS YOU'VE GOT SOME SPECIFIC, UNLESS YOU GOT SOME OTHER SPECIFIC, I ALREADY SAID THAT I'M DONE.

OKAY.

YOU'RE DONE.

OKAY.

[02:45:06]

SURE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ASKED.

UM, AND I HEAR THEM DEEPLY.

I THINK THIS STRUCTURE IN THE AREAS OF INFILL THAT YOU HAVE REFERENCED ON, UM, EAST, FRONT OR SOUTH FRONT WOULD BE THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE WOULD BE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE.

UM, AND SO, UM, TO THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU HAVE, UM, THIS STRUCTURE APPEARS TO BE QUITE APPROPRIATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH IT IS BEING BUILT.

UM, I WOULD, I WOULD, I CAN'T IMAGINE SUCH A STRUCTURE BEING BUILT NEAR OUR FRIENDS HOUSES ON KING STREET, NEW STREET, BECAUSE THIS STRUCTURE WOULD BE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE.

UM, AND SO BUILDING NEW TO, UM, MS. SHERIDAN'S, UM, COMMENTS, I THINK, UM, ARE RESONATE DEEPLY WITH ME, UM, ABOUT BUILDING TODAY JUST AS OUR ANCESTORS BUILT 300 YEARS AGO, 200 YEARS AGO, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO AND 50 YEARS AGO.

UM, SO I, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS COMMISSION'S, UM, CONSIDERATION OF THIS PROJECT.

UM, AND THAT'S, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION? ALRIGHTY.

SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION REGARDING, UM, THIS APPLICATION SURE.

OKAY.

UH, I MOVED THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR THREE 16 LIBERTY STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BURNS CODE OF ORDINANCE 15 DASH 4 1 2 15 DASH FOUR TWENTY NINE AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, 2.1 0.12 AND THREE UTILITIES, 2.3 0.1 AND 2.3 0.2 LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.4 PARKING 2.7 0.1245 THAT'S ALL.

AND DESIGN PRINCIPLES.

3.1 0.12 AND THREE AND FIVE IN FIELD CONSTRUCTION, 3.4 0.12, THREE AND FOUR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.3, WALLS TRIMMING OR ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.4.

WHEN DID THE DOORS AND OPENINGS 4.3 0.3 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.4, PAINT FOUR POINT OR EXCUSE ME, 5.4 0.23 AND SIX.

WHOOPS, FOUR, SORRY, TWO, THREE AND FOUR, THREE AND FOUR, AND VERY QUICKLY.

QUICKLY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

DID I DO CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS YET? OKAY.

5.5 0.12, THREE AND SIX.

UH, FINDINGS.

IN FACT, THAT'S THE REASON THE PROJECT'S LOCATED THAT TYPE WAY OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ALONG LIBERTY STREET HAS BEEN SEVERELY WEAKENED BY VACANT LOTS AND NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES, THE PROPOSALS AND INFIELD PROJECT, AND A MODERN STYLE TO FIT WITH A NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE.

THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.

SO ANY ADMINISTRATOR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY THE PROJECT, NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE ONLY, UH, THE ONLY CONDITION WOULD BE THAT THE, UH, ZONING REQUIREMENT AROUND THE LOCATION OF THE PARKING LOT VEHICLE BE APPROVED, ZONING AND SUBDIVISION.

YEP.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, PEGGY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

SAY NO, NO GUYS.

THE MOTION PASSED.

CANDICE, CANDICE, PEGGY, PEGGY, PEGGY SECOND.

ALL OKAY.

EXCEPT FOR ONE DAN.

OKAY.

SO THE MOTION

[02:50:01]

PASSED.

DID WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE THE COA WITH THE ONE CONDITION? SO MOVED, SO MOVED OVER HERE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? PEGGY'S A SECOND WITH THE ONE CONDITION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

THE MOTION PASSED.

GOOD.

GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

GOOD.

OKAY.

[3H. 521 Hancock St. – to include roof revisions to an existing garage in the Tertiary AVC.]

LET'S GO TO 5 21 HANCOCK STREET.

ALL RIGHT.

WE CAN START WITH, UH, BEING THE APPLICATION, UH, PROVIDING ALL THE NECESSARY INFORMATION AND SIGNED AND DATED, AND WE HAVE THE, UH, OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION FOR GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN TO REPRESENT THE OWNERS.

UH, AND WE'LL START THE DRAWINGS NOW.

SO THE FIRST DRAWING SHOWS AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SHOWN HERE.

UH, WE CAN SEE, UH, THE CRESCENT DRAGWAY THE HOUSE, UH, AND THEN THE, UM, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A SECONDARY RESIDENCE DEPENDENCY.

THANK YOU.

SLIPPED MY MIND.

AND THEN THE GARAGE UNDER CONSIDERATION IS BACK HERE IN THE VERY BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

HMM.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL START WITH SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.

THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE, THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE FACING THE YARD.

UH, AND THEN AN OBLIQUE VIEW OF THAT SHOWING THE FRONT END, THE SIDE, WE HAVE A DOORWAY ENTRANCE HERE.

UH, PRIMARILY TO NOTE HERE IS THIS IS A SECONDARY, UH, ROOF.

OH, UH, ONE STORY SHED ROOF ATTACHED TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

AND WE, UH, HAVE CURRENTLY, UH, IT'S BASICALLY A GABLE ROOF WE CAN SEE ON THE FRONT AND THEN ON THE REAR IS THE SAME.

UH, BUT THE, UH, THE SIDES ARE WHAT SLOPES DOWN TO THE SIDE, UH, THAT IS TO CHANGE.

UH, AND HERE WE SEE A VIEW THEN OF THE GARAGE IN THE LOWER LEFT, PHOTOGRAPH THE GARAGE ON THE RIGHT WITH A DEPENDENCY OFF TO THE LEFT, UH, SHOWING THE PROXIMITY OF THOSE.

UH, WE HAVE THE DETAIL HERE, UH, AT THE GUEST.

THIS IS THE REAR CORNER, RIGHT? OH, OKAY.

RIGHT THERE.

UH, OKAY.

I'LL MAKE IT LARGER.

SO SORRY.

UM, THERE WE GO.

HERE'S THE MINI SPLIT, UM, ON THE BACK OF THE GARAGE SITTING RIGHT THERE.

UH, AND THEN THE REST OF THE GARAGE, UH, LAST PHOTOGRAPH ALSO SHOWS THE DEPENDENCY ON THE RIGHT PROXIMITY OF THE TWO, UH, ALSO THE, UM, EXISTING WINDOW AND THE KIND OF CHARACTER OF THE SIDING, ET CETERA.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT IS THE DRAWINGS.

SO FIRST WE HAVE THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE, THE ELEVATION EXISTING ELEVATION, UH, THE EXISTING SIDE ELEVATION.

UH, THEN WE HAVE THE EXISTING, UH, REAR ELEVATION AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE FRONT, UH, WITH ITS LITTLE SHED ROOF OVER THE GARAGE DOORS OFF TO THE RIGHT.

SO THERE'S WINDOWS FACING THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT DRAWING.

UM, WE'LL START HERE ON THE LEFT AGAIN.

THE NEW OR PROPOSED, UH, FRONT ELEVATION WOULD BE THIS BECAUSE WE'RE, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ADD A NEW GABLE GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, UH, TRANSVERSE GABLE, UH, WHICH IS BETTER SEEN ON THIS SIDE THEN, OR SO NOW, BEFORE, AS I MENTIONED ABOVE THAT A SLOPING SHED ROOT THERE, THE EXISTING ROOF JUST SLOPES UP THERE.

THEY ARE PROPOSING TO ADD A GABLE AND TO THIS SIDE OF THE GARAGE.

AND THEN SIMILARLY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, IT UP LIKE THIS, BESIDE THAT IT'S FACING THE SIDE YARD SIDE PROPERTY, ALSO A GABLE ON THAT SIDE.

SO ESSENTIALLY, AND THEN, UH, HERE'S WHERE WE HAVE THE ROOF ELEVATION.

I MEAN THE ROOF PLAN, UM, A BIT LESS PLEASED.

UH, HERE WE GO.

UH, THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE OF SOUND AT THE BOTTOM HERE WITH THAT LITTLE BIT OF ROOF PROJECTING OUT BELOW

[02:55:01]

THE MAIN ROOF.

AND SO, UH, ADDING THE GABLE ON THE RIGHT AND THE GABLE ON THE LEFT AND THE SUPPORTS INSIDE MORE HEAD ROOM AND SPACE FOR THEM TO USE, UH, FOR THIS PLAN, UM, TO CONVERT IT, TO ALLOW FOR, UM, SLEEPING AND COOKING BATHROOM AND STORAGE AND A WASHER AND DRYER.

SO, UH, ALRIGHT.

SO, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS, UM, FORM HERE WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, SAYS IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT AND THEN OTHERWISE I'M READY WITH MY RECOMMENDATIONS.

ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT ANYBODY HAS HEARING? NONE.

DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO, WHAT'S BEEN SAID HEARING NONE.

THERE IS NOBODY ELSE LEFT IN THE AUDIENCE FOR, UH, PROPOSE OPPONENTS PERSONALLY, WITH RELEVANT SANDING OR CITY STAFF OR GOVERNMENT.

SO LET US GO SERVE TO YOUR STAFF FINDINGS.

OKAY.

WE'LL PROBABLY GO THROUGH THAT REAL QUICKLY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO HERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MR. MRS. CONNER AND GO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT AT 5 21 HANCOCK STREET TO INCLUDE ROOF REVISIONS TO AN EXISTING GARAGE IN THE TERTIARY, ABC, UH, NATIONAL REGISTERING INVENTORY INFORMATION IS THIS IS THE PROPERTY OF THE CORE COOK HOUSE BUILT IN 17 NINE ABOUT 1790.

SO EVEN OLDER THAN ME, HARVEY MANSION, UH, REMODELED AN 1822 AND 1850, AND THEN MOVED FROM FOUR 11 TO FOUR 15 CRAVEN STREET IN 1981 TO THIS LOCATION.

AND NEVERTHELESS, IT IS STILL A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE DESCRIPTION IS TWO AND A HALF STORIES.

EL PLAN FOUR BAYS WIDE GABLE AND HIP ROOFS AND INTERIOR CHIMNEYS SAN BECK DOES NOT HAVE A DESCRIPTION FOR SOME REASON.

UH, ANYWAY, SINCE WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH GARAGE, WOULDN'T MATTER.

UH, SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AS APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES THROUGH PUMP 1.1 3.1 0.2 FOR MODIFICATION, 3.2 0.1, WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION FOR BRING 2.5 WINDOWS, DOORS AND OPENINGS.

4.3 0.2 AND THREE FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.2 AND FOUR FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.2, THREE AND FOUR FOR CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.12, THREE, AND FIVE FOR STATEMENTS OR REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE, THE STRUCTURES OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND THE TYPE WE'VE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE TERTIARY.

ABC THREE OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.

THE PROJECT DOES NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE ROOF REVISIONS TO AN EXISTING GARAGE AND THE TERTIARY ABC MA'AM.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SHARE WITH US? YOU'RE WELCOME.

APPLICANTS.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SHARE WITH US? ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? NO ONE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY.

OKAY, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN? OH, I MAKE, I MAKE A MOTION MAT ROLL BACK THE WRONG THING.

OKAY.

I MOVE THAT.

WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR 5 21 HANCOCK STREET FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THIS WOULD BE NOT INCOME GROWTH WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS FIFTEEN FOUR, ELEVEN TO FIFTEEN, FOUR TWENTY ONE AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDING FACTS, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 3.1 0.2 MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1

[03:00:01]

WALLS TREND.

AND ORNAMENTATIONS 4.2 0.4 4.2 POINTS.

THOSE DOORS AND OPENINGS 4.3 0.2 4.3 0.3 ROOTS 4.5 0.2 4.5 0.4 PAIN 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 AND 5.4 0.4, CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS, 5.5 0.12, THREE AND FIVE.

FINDINGS OF FACT, THE STRUCTURE IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.

THE PROJECT IS WITHIN THE TERTIARY, ABC, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.

THE PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.

WE HAVE WEIGHTED VEST EMOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION.

OKAY.

EVERYBODY IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED HEARING NONE.

THE MOTION PASSED.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? SO MOVE.

SO MOVE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND RIGHT HERE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

MA'AM YOU MAY HAVE YOUR CEO.

IS THAT THE LEAST WORDS THAT HASN'T EVER SAY TO YOU ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S GOOD STUFF TO START WITH.

THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WE HAVE NO BODY LEFT IN OUR AUDIO.

UH, IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS, NONE AS MENTIONED, THERE ARE NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE NONE.

[7A. Establish deadline for Design Review Meeting application items]

UH, THE ONE NEW ITEM IS TO ESTABLISH THE DEADLINE FOR DESIGN REVIEW MEETING APPLICATION ITEMS. AND WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS IN DESIGN REVIEW, DID WE AGREED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE FRIDAY? YEAH, SO WE, UH, UM, THE CONSENSUS WAS, UH, BUT, UH, YES, UH, DEADLINE OF FRIDAY, NOON ON FRIDAY BEFORE, UH, FOR THE APPLICATION, UH, AND, UH, THE BASIC INFORMATION.

OKAY.

SO WE, WE DO HOWEVER NEED, UM, YOU TO ACTUALLY MOTION AND LOAD ON.

THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE AT THIS MEETING, UH, BE AWARE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REVISE, UH, THE, UH, POLICY BOOK, UH, AND PROBABLY THE WEBSITE AND EVERY OTHER RELEVANT, RELEVANT REFERENCE TO THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION.

OKAY.

MAY I HAVE ENOUGH? I HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE STILL HAVE A CORUM? YES.

YEAH.

WE'VE GOT A CALL.

NO, YEAH, WE'VE GOT 3, 4, 5, 6.

OKAY.

SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION? SHE'S GONE.

DO WE NOT HAVE A HOME? SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING DEADLINE TO BE ON FRIDAY AT NOON TIME BEFORE THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING THE NEXT WEDNESDAY? RIGHT? SO MOOD, WE HAVEN'T MOVED HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, JIM, JIM, JIM HAS A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

OPPOSED HERE.

THE MOTION PASSED WITH, UH, THE, UH, REFERENCES TO THIS IN OTHER PLACES IN OTHER DOCUMENTS BE ADDRESSED AND CHANGED.

AND I BELIEVE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OVER ALL THOSE REFERENCES.

SO WE DON'T NEED ANY OTHER APPROVALS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

[8A. Report on CoAs Issued 11/10/2021 – 01/10/2022]

OKAY.

ITEM EIGHT IS THE HPC ADMINISTRATORS REPORT OF COA IS ISSUED MAJORS AND MINORS.

UH,

[8B. Report on CoA Extensions Issued since the Prior Regular Meeting]

ITEM D THERE IS REPORT ON THE COA EXTENSION ISSUED TO SEVEN 20 EAST FRONT STREET TO THE INFIELD HOUSE.

IS THERE SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ABOUT THAT? NOPE.

I'M JUST INFORMING YOU THAT WE DID AS WELL.

DOES ANYBODY

[8C. Other Items and Updates]

HAVE ANY ITEM UNDER SEE OTHER ITEMS AND UPDATES? THAT'S UNDER MY REPORT.

SO I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.

IS ANY MEMBER HEARING

[03:05:01]

NONE NUMBER EIGHT? YUP.

RIGHT HEARING NONE.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, PLEASE GO.

SO MOVED ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.

THERE'S ONE RIGHT HERE.

YES.

MA'AM.

THANK YOU YOUR SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.

OH, WE'D HAVE ALL EYES ABOVE HEARING.

NONE.

WE ARE.