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OKAY.

WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE JANUARY 26 MEETING WORKSHOP, UH, CONCERNING ERP AT THIS TIME, WOULD YOU TOLD ME IN A PRAYER HEAVENLY FATHER, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US HERE AS WE CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY, THOSE THINGS THAT WILL BE PLEASING TO THE, IN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY.

WOULD YOU JOIN ME TO THE PLACE LEAVES, DO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR WHICH IS STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL AND FRUIT ALDERMAN BINGO HERE, AUTO WOMAN HARRIS AUGMENT ASTER, OR I'LL REMAIN FANCY HERE.

CAN I GET THIS?

[1. Discuss Potential American Rescue Plan ("ARP") Funding Projects.]

TELL HIM I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO MR. HUGHES CITY MANAGER.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND ALDERMAN.

TODAY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT ALL THINGS, AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.

AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO KIM.

UH, AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS WILL BE COMING UP AND MAKING PRESENTATIONS AS WELL.

SO, UM, LET'S START, GIVE SIDE TODAY.

WE'RE DISCUSSING THE TOPICS OF ARPA FUNDS I'M SHARING IN THIS PRESENTATION.

WE HAVE GORDON HUGHES, GEORGE CHILDS, CHARLES BOUCHARD IN TONY GATLIN IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND HELP WITH THE PRESENTATION.

UM, I ALSO HAVE KIM ROSE, WHO IS OUR FEMA AND GRANT FUNDS.

I'M ACCOUNTANTS, AND SHE'S HERE TO HELP US AS WELL.

SO WHAT IS IT CALLED? WE'VE HEARD IT REFERRED TO BY AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.

CFLR ARE UP CORONAVIRUS STATE AND LOCAL RELIEF FUND ARE FUNDS AMERICAN RELIEF PLAN, ALL OF THOSE ACRONYMS AND FROM SORT OF VARIOUS VARIATION OF OUR PRO FUNDS FOR THIS PURPOSE, WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH OUR ALSO KNOWN AS THE C L F R F, WHICH IS THE CORONAVIRUS STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS, A K R FUNDS.

SO THE FUNDING, UM, WITH ISSUES, WE HAVE 2 65 $0.1 BILLION.

TOTAL IN OUR FUND GOVERNMENT HAD ISSUED STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA RECEIVED 1.37 BILLION PREGNANT.

HOW MANY RECEIVED 19.8 MILLION AND THE CITY OF NEW BERN HAS RECEIVED 2.7 MILLION.

FIRST HALF OF THE PAYMENTS WERE RECEIVED LAST MAY OF 2021.

AND THE SECOND HALF IS EXPECTED TO BE RECEIVED.

THIS IS, UM, A TIMELINE FROM THE TIME THAT, UM, THE ART FUND FOR ISSUED, WHICH WAS MARCH 3RD, 2021, THAT WAS THE EFFECTIVE DAY.

WE CAN ACTUALLY RETROACTIVELY EXPENSE ALLOWABLE PROJECTS UNDER THE INTERIM FINAL RULE FROM MARCH 3RD THROUGH MARCH, MARCH 3RD, 21 THROUGH MARCH 31ST 22.

AND THEN FROM JANUARY SIX THROUGH MARCH 31ST OF THIS YEAR, BOTH THE INTERIM AND THE FINAL RULE APPLY.

AND THEN AS A 4, 1 22 ONLY THE FINAL RULE OF PREP APPLIES FOR THESE FUNDS.

I'D LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE OBLIGATED BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024, WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL FUNDS, OBLIGATED, ENCUMBERED, UM, A PLAN FOR THOSE.

AND THEN BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2026, THEY HAVE TO ALL BE EXPENDED.

UM, IF YOU TOOK A LOOK AT THAT BOX TO YOUR LEFT, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE WATER, UM, WASTEWATER AND BROUGHT A FAN, IT STATES IN THERE THAT THOSE, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE STARTED BEFORE MARCH 31ST, 2021 CAN APPLY FOR THESE FUNDS, BUT ONLY THE EXPENSES AFTER THAT DATE CAN BE EXPENSED OUT OF THESE FUNDS.

SO IF YOU ALREADY HAD A PROJECT IN THE WORKS, THAT'S OKAY, BUT ONLY THE EXPENDITURES AFTER THAT DAY CAN BE APPLIED.

SO HOW DO I CRASH? SO ON THAT ONE, IF WE HAD DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO DO THE PROJECT, THE MONEY WAS IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE HADN'T BROKE GROUND OR DONE SOMETHING.

WOULD THAT BE QUALIFIED BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY AFTER MARCH 21ST, BUT IT WAS IN OUR 21, 22 BUDGET, WOULD THAT QUALIFY, BUT WE HAVEN'T STARTED THE WORK.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

BUT THAT WOULD BE, SO THIS IS HOT OFF THE PRESS.

UM, THE, UH, FINAL RULE WAS EFFECTIVE JANUARY 6TH.

UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INTERIM AND THE FINAL RULE IS THAT WE HAVE A BROADER SET OF USES TO RESPOND TO THE PANDEMICS PUBLIC HEALTH AND ECONOMIC IMPACTS.

UM, WE HAVE A NEW STANDARD ALLOWANCE FOR REPLACEMENT

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OF LOST REVENUE.

UM, IT ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY AND ELIGIBLE BROADBAND INVESTMENTS AND WE STREAMLINE OPTIONS FOR PREMIUM PAY.

THE ART FUNDS ARE IN FOUR CATEGORIES.

THERE'S FOUR ALLOWABLE, UM, CATEGORIES FOR THE USE OF THOSE.

THE FIRST ONE ON THE LEFT HERE, THE TEAL THAT IS, UM, TO ADDRESS PUBLIC HEALTH AND NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT DUE TO COVID.

UM, IT REALLY SUPPORTS THE COVID-19 MITIGATION EFFORTS ADDRESSES THE NEGATIVE IMPACT TO WORKERS, HOUSEHOLDS, SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, AND IT SUPPORTS DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED COMMUNITIES.

THE GREEN, THE SECOND ONE IS THE REPLACE OF LOST REVENUE.

AND THE THIRD ONE IS PREMIUM PAY OR ESSENTIAL WORKERS FOR THOSE THAT FEAR THE GREATEST, YOU KNOW, HEALTH RISKS BECAUSE OF THE SERVICE THAT THEY DO PROVIDE.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS.

THE FIRST QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK THEM, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW TO SPEND THESE FARMS IS, DO WE HAVE THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY? AND THEN THE SECOND IS WHAT PROJECT DO THEY FOLLOW? OR WHAT CATEGORY DOES THE PROJECT FALL UNDER? WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ADDRESSING THE COVID PUBLIC HEALTH AND ECONOMIC IMPACT CATEGORY THAT ALL LOCAL USES UNDER THIS CATEGORY MUST BE IN RESPONSE TO THE DISEASE ITSELF OR THE HARMFUL CONSEQUENCES OF THE ECONOMIC DISRUPTIONS RESULTING FROM THE COVID-19 PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY.

BASICALLY, DO YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THESE TWO QUESTIONS? WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT DUE TO THE PANDEMIC? AND THEN HOW DOES THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT? SOME PROJECT EXAMPLES WOULD BE CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATIONS TO FACILITIES TO PROVIDE BETTER COVID-19 MITIGATION, SUCH AS NEW BARRIERS OR INCREASED SPACE FOR SOCIAL DISTANCING IMPROVEMENT OF VENTILATION SYSTEMS, THERE'S EXPANSIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS AND NEW PROJECTS RELATED TO PARK IMPROVEMENTS, BIKE PADS, AND GREENWAYS TO PROMOTE HEALTHIER LIVING ENVIRONMENTS.

THE BIG QUESTION THAT WE HEAR IS MAY WE USE ART CLEANSE FOR, UM, MAYBE SHARE OUR FUNDS WITH NONPROFITS? THE ANSWER IS SORT OF A YES AND NO, OR NO ONE HAS NO, YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE THEM THE FUNDS, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A SUB-RECIPIENT RELATIONSHIP.

UM, THE, IF WE DO CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE SUB RECIPIENT MUST STILL COMPLY WITH THE FEDERAL UNIFORM GRANT GUIDANCE.

THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THINGS LIKE SUCH AS THE DUNS NUMBER.

IT CANNOT BE ON THE FEDERAL, UH, SUSPENSION AND DESIRED, UM, LIST.

UM, AND THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDES THE SUB-RECIPIENTS CONTRACTORS VENDORS.

NONE OF THEM CAN BE ON THAT LIST AS WELL.

UM, A RISK ASSESSMENT MUST BE DONE ASSESSING WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE A LOW, MEDIUM OR HIGH RISK SUB RECIPIENT.

AND, UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH DONE THROUGH, UH, AUDITS AND THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH FEDERAL AWARDS AND WHETHER THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT ACCOUNTING SYSTEMS. AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT IS THE, AS THE GRANT, THE, THE ONE THAT RECEIVES THE GRANT FUNDS.

SO, UM, THIS BASICALLY SHOWS YOU THAT BEFORE ENGAGING IN A SUB-RECIPIENT RELATIONSHIP, THE CITY MUST DEVELOP CERTAIN WRITTEN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR THAT SUB-RECIPIENT MONITORING RISK ASSESSMENT AND COMPLAINTS, OBLIGATIONS.

THE CONTRACT WITH THE SUB RECIPIENT MUST CONTAIN VERY SPECIFIC COMPONENTS OF COVERING THE WHO, WHAT, HOW, WHERE, UM, BASICALLY THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF EACH PARTY.

YOU HAVE TO OUTLINE THE PURPOSE OF THE FUNDS AND THE PROJECT, SOME MANY SUMMARY, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, AN ALLOWABLE PROJECT.

YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE TO, UM, EXPECTATIONS AND OUTCOMES FOR BOTH PARTIES AND YOU ADDRESS THE REPORTING AND DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS.

AND I JUST WANT TO ALSO REMIND YOU THAT IN THIS CATEGORY, WE MUST REMEMBER THAT THE CITY MUST HAVE THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY OF THE PROJECT OR ACTIVITIES THAT THE SUBURB SYMBIONT IS UNDERTAKING.

SO THE REPLACE LOST REVENUE CATEGORY, THAT'S THE NEW $10 MILLION STANDARD ALLOWANCE.

UM, WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY ISSUED THIS LOSS REPLACE LOST REVENUE, IT WAS A FORMULA AND IT WAS VERY COMPLEX FORMULA.

AND YOU HAD TO RE CALCULATE IT OVER THE PERIODS YOU HAD TO CHOOSE IF IT WAS ANNUAL ANNUAL CALCULATION OR FISCAL YEAR

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CALCULATION.

UM, WELL THEY, FOR, FOR, UM, EASE, BASICALLY THEY ENDED UP DOING, UH, A $10 MILLION STANDARD ALLOWANCE.

AND WITH THAT, UM, THE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHOICE WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO CHOOSE THAT A FORMULA AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION BEFORE APRIL.

BUT, UM, AS WE GET A LITTLE BIT, DIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO IT, IT REALLY TRULY SIMPLIFY HOW YOU CAN SPEND THIS MONEY.

UM, YOU HAVE NO NEED TO PROVE ACTUAL LOSS.

UM, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO, UM, BUT YOUR, UM, ALLOWABLE EXPENDITURES ARE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENTAL EXPENDITURES.

SO, UM, BASICALLY IT'S THE MOST FLEXIBLE OPTION AND IT ALLOWS SUPPLANTING, WHICH IS KIND OF UNHEARD OF WITH FEDERAL FUNDS.

UM, WHAT THEY ALLOWED YOU TO DO IS TO SHIFT THE FUNDS IN A SENSE.

SO YOU OFFSET THE GENERAL FUND WITH EXISTING, UM, EXPENSES THROUGH ACTIVITIES, UM, TO ART FUNDS.

AND THEN THE GENERAL FUND CAN THEN BE RELIEVED TO PAY FOR THE PROJECT THAT YOU WANT TO DO OR TRANSFER THE FUNDS TO THE PROJECT FUND THAT YOU WANT TO SUPPORT WITH THE CITY, IF THE CITY HAD ANY LOSSES, SPORTS UTILITIES.

UM, SO WITH THE STANDARD DEDUCTION, I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR QUESTION, YOUR QUESTION IS, BUT WITH THE STANDARD DEDUCTION, THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING HERE'S 10 MINUTES UP TO $10 MILLION IN OUR, OUR WARD WAS 6.7 MILLION.

YOU CAN CHOOSE TO USE THAT BY SELECTING THE REVENUE LOSS STANDARD ALLOWANCE.

AND THEN YOU CAN SPEND YOUR FUNDS ON GENERAL GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES.

AND THAT RELIEVES THE, WHAT YOU HAVE AND MAYBE YOUR GENERAL FUND OR UTILITY FUND OR WHEREVER AND RELEASE.

THOSE ALLOWS YOU TO SPEND THIS ON.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, POLICE AND FIRE.

I'LL JUST CHOOSE THEM.

WE CAN TAKE THOSE EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET THAT WE SPEND THOSE FUNDS ON, YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY, AND THEN PUT THAT OVER HERE TO THE ART MONEY.

AND THEN HERE IT OPENS IT UP FOR US TO THEN SUPPORT A PROJECT OR, OR, UH, ANOTHER INITIATIVE.

OKAY, WELL, WHAT I WAS BASICALLY SAYING WAS THAT SAY LIGHT UTILITIES.

WE HAD CUSTOMERS THAT WAS IMPACTED BY THE PANDEMIC.

SO THEY DID THE CITY HAVE ANY SHORTFALLS IN REVENUE BECAUSE OF UTILITIES SERVICES THAT WE DID NOT DISCONNECT CITIZENS.

THEY DIDN'T PAY FOR THE SERVICE.

WE DID NOT DISCONNECT THEM.

AND SO THIS, THE SERVICE WASN'T PAID FOR.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING FOR UTILITY SERVICES.

SO, UM, I THINK CHARLIE CAN SPEAK ON THAT BETTER, BUT I, THERE WAS NO REVENUE LOSS, AND I THINK THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THE ANSWER.

REVENUES DID DECREASE TO SOME EXTENT BECAUSE OF BUSINESSES DIDN'T OPERATE MAYBE A FULL CAPACITY.

SO THAT'S ONE SIDE OF THE EQUATION ON REVENUE COLLECTIONS FROM CUSTOMERS THAT THERE WAS SUSPENDED, DISCONNECT, DISCONNECT.

WE WERE MADE WHOLE, WE RECOVERED ALL OF THOSE SONGS.

OKAY.

SO YOU DIDN'T SEE A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE FOR YOU SAYING THERE'S LOST REVENUE THERE.

I HAVEN'T LOOKED TO SEE EXACTLY HOW COVID IMPACTED ALL BUSINESSES AND WHAT THE CHANGE IN REVENUES, UM, ARE TO THE UTILITY.

BUT AS FAR AS SUSPENDED DISCONNECTS GO, WE ARE WHOLE WITH REGARDS TO SUSPENDED DISCONNECT.

DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.

THANK YOU.

SO KIM, FROM A GENERAL FUND PERSPECTIVE, THE ONLY LOSS OF REVENUE WOULD BE ADD WARM TAX PAYMENTS THAT WOULD JUST BE MADE.

RIGHT? SO THE GENERAL FUND, ANY, ANY LOSS OF REVENUE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND WOULD JUST BE ANY UNPAID AD VALOREM TAXES, CORRECT? CORRECT.

BUT WE DIDN'T SHOW ACTUALLY ANY LOSS OF PROFITS.

SO WE CAN'T COME IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION RIGHT HERE IS NOT REALLY RELEVANT IF WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOSS OF REVENUE TO USE THIS CAR, IT IS BECAUSE WHAT THEY SAID IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU HAD LOTS OF REVENUE, HERE'S UP TO $10 MILLION.

SHE MADE THE SELECTION, THE STANDARD SELECTION.

AND YOU, UM, AS LONG AS YOU'RE SPENDING IT ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.

SO IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A BLANK TRACK IS THE WAY, UM, THEY'RE ADDRESSING IT.

AND THEY SAID, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL OF GOVERNMENT HAS SAID, YOU GUYS, IT'S A NO BRAINER AT THIS POINT FOR GOTTEN $14 MILLION.

WE COULD HAVE USED 10 MILLION, PRETTY MUCH EVER HOW WE WANTED TO, BUT THE 4 MILLION WOULD HAVE HAD MORE RESTRICTIONS.

SO WHAT'S THE POINT IN ALL THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION,

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IF WE'VE GOT $6 MILLION THAT WE CAN SPEND HOW WE WANT TO.

WELL, UM, I THINK JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION, OKAY.

WE PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING WE WANT TO DO WITH THE $6 MILLION.

WE CAN DO IT AS LONG AS IT'S A FUNCTION OF CITY, GOVERNMENT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

DON'T SEND ME OUT NOW.

I'M TRYING TO SAVE YOU SOME TIME.

OKAY.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT THOUGH? SO, UM, YOU ASKED TREASURY PROVIDES A NON-EXCLUSIVE LIST OF EXAMPLES FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES AND, AND IT BASICALLY COVERS YOUR MAINTENANCE OR PACO, UM, FUNDED BUILDING OF INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING ROADS OF CYBERSECURITY, ENVIRONMENTAL RE REMEDIATION, LEAD FIRE, AND OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES.

UM, THEY HAVE IN HERE THAT PACO CAPITAL THAT BENEFITS US CITIZENS, THAT ONE, UM, ANYTHING EQUAL TO, OR GREATER THAN A MILLION DOLLARS, I KNOW REQUIRES WRITTEN JUSTIFICATION, BUT ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT, YOU GOOD TO GO.

YOU JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE, UM, PROCUREMENT POLICIES AND THE UNIFORM GRANT GUIDANCE THERE'S UM, ON THE NOT ALLOWED SIDE, WE CANNOT PAY FOR THE EXTRA PENSION FUND.

CONTRIBUTIONS CANNOT BORROW MONEY.

YOU CAN'T PUT IT TOWARDS, UH, FINANCIAL RESERVES OR PAY FOR ANY KIND OF SETTLEMENT AND JUDGMENT.

AND I, UM, UNDERMINE OR DISPERSE COMPLAINTS WITH CVC VIOLATE THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST PROVISIONS.

AND OF COURSE YOU CAN'T VIOLATE ANY STATE LAWS OR FEDERAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS.

SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT.

NO WORRIES.

LIKE YOU GIVING AN AR AUDIT, A CAP RATE, PLEASE PINCH FAMILIES LIKE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OR SOMETHING.

AND YOU'VE GIVEN US A VARIOUS ONE WHITE AND YOUR PRIOR PAGE, YOU SAID WE CAN'T FIND FLIP OVER BACK TO YOU BACK PAGE YOUR PROPERTY.

THANK YOU, PENSION FUND CONTRIBUTIONS, NOT ALLOWED, BUT IN THE GENERAL FUND, AS I SAID, IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT MONEY INTO THE GENERAL FUND, AND YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR CAP RATE ON YOUR POLICE PENSION FUND, UH, WHICH IS TWO SOMETHING, OR IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, WHEN YOU OTHER FUNDS CAMPUS LIKE 71, JUST AT SIX OR EIGHT, WHICHEVER, UM, YOU CIRCUMVENTING LEAGUE COULD TAKE THIS MONEY AND FUND A PENSION BY WAY OF GENERAL FUND, IF YOU CHANGE THAT CAPRA.

SO, UM, YOU CAN STILL USE PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS.

YOU JUST CANNOT SEND SOME PEOPLE HAVE DEBT TO THE PENSION FUND AND THEY CAN JUST MAKE LUMP SUM PAYMENTS ON THAT.

IF IT'S BASED ON YOUR SALARIES AND IT'S IN, UM, BENEFITS AND THOSE CALCULATIONS.

SO YEAH, YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN APPLY THE TOWARDS TOWARDS THAT, BUT YOU CAN'T DO LUMP SUM OR PAY DOWN DEBT OR SO WHAT NUMBER IS NOT ALLOWED PENSION FUND CONTRIBUTIONS, IS THAT THE ANNUAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, THE 5% OR WHATEVER OF TOTAL BUDGET FUNDS, THAT'S GOING OVER THERE TO FIND THESE PENSIONS? OR WHAT, WHAT IS IT, WHAT DOES THAT SAY IN PENSION FUND? IT'S JUST SAYING YOU CAN'T PAY EXTRA TOWARDS IT, BUT YOU CAN PAY IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY, UM, IF YOU'RE PAYING SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR SERVICES, THEN THAT'S OKAY, BUT YOU CANNOT PAY EXTRA.

YOU CANNOT JUST ISOLATE AND SAY, UM, WE'RE GONNA PAY, UM, ADDITIONAL PENSION FUND CONTRIBUTIONS IN THIS AMOUNT WITH THESE FUNDS.

AM I ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION? I'M SORRY, YOU'RE DOING GOOD.

THIS CAN BE DONE.

UM, I MEAN, NO DISRESPECT TO YOU.

YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.

IT'S JUST, LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT.

IT'S MORE FOR THOSE BIG DEBTS THAT THEY OWE TO THE PENSION FUND.

BUT, UM, BUT YOU COULD TAKE UP TO $10 MILLION OF WHATEVER THIS PAYMENT IS.

PUT THAT IN THE GENERAL FUND PAY FOR THE POLICE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SALARIES AND PARKS AND RECREATION.

WHAT ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND? AND THEN TAKE THAT EXCESS REVENUE AND SWAP IT OVER AND PUT IT IN THE PENSION FUND BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN DO SO PLAN THE FEDERAL.

UH, YES, YOU'RE JUST SHIFTING SO YOU'RE, BUT I DO WANT TO CORRECT YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT.

YOU'LL BE TAKING THOSE EXPENDITURES AND APPLYING IT TOWARDS THE ART FUNDS TO OFFSET YOUR GENERAL FUND.

RIGHT.

YOU'RE NOT TAKING THE ART FUNDS IN AND JUST DUMPING IT IN REVENUE.

THAT'S FINANCIAL SPEAK, BUT BASICALLY, YEAH, YOU GOT MONEY IN THIS SPOT AND YOU GOT MONEY IN THIS POT.

YOU CAN TO PUT SOME MORE MONEY OVER HERE AND TAKE SOME OUT OF IT AND MOVE OVER HERE.

YES, LOTS

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OF SHIFTING.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

LUCKY IF YOU FIND YOU DON'T FIND THINGS OVER THERE.

SO IN REGARDS TO PREMIUM PAY, UM, BEFORE ESTRING PREMIUM PAY THE PITY, THE CITY MUST ADOPT A PREMIUM PAY POLICY AND WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

UM, THERE ARE RULES ATTACHED REGARDING THEIR PAY.

UH, THERE'S A CAP OF $13 AN HOUR OR $25,000 OVERALL PER PERSON.

UM, IT MUST SUPPLEMENT IN THIS PAGE AND NOT THE PLAN.

AND, UM, THEY MUST APPLY WITH THE 150% IN REGARDS TO INFRASTRUCTURE.

UM, IT'S THE SAME PROJECT ELIGIBLE UNDER THE REVOLVING LOAN PROGRAMS ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE, THE, UM, OUR FUNDS SUCH AS EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, UPGRADES, STORMWATER LIMITATIONS, UM, LIMITATIONS ARE TO WATER QUALITY.

AND THEN, UM, THE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS ARE CENTRALIZED WASTE, WATER TREATMENT, ENERGY CONSERVATION, WATER CONSERVATION STORMWATER WITH CALLING COMPONENTS TIME.

I'M GOING TO PASS THE SILVER TO THE JORDAN TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MTV DQ AND OUR FUNDING.

UM, MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

I'M GOING TO TRY AND DO MY BEST TO NOT MUDDY THE WATER TOO MUCH WITH EVERYTHING KIM'S ALREADY MENTIONED TO YOU.

SO, UH, I KNOW IN SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST SIX TO NINE MONTHS BEEN BEING ON A COUPLE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS, THEY ASKED ME ABOUT THE LAWRENCE SUMS OF MONEY THAT ARE COMING OUT OF NCD Q FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECT.

SO WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE, THE REAL QUICK SUMMARY OF THE ADDITIONAL MONEY, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 6.7 MILLION THAT KIM HAS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE STATE.

THAT'S GOING TO GET DISHED OUT FOR WATER WASTEWATER AND STORM WATER PROJECTS STATEWIDE.

UM, SO WHAT THE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS ALLOCATED IS $1.6 BILLION FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER AND STORM WATER PROJECTS TO BE DISHED OUT THROUGH ALL WHAT OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEMS ACROSS THE STATE.

THAT IS THE GOOD NEWS.

AND THEY'VE DONE THAT OVER FIVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

I'VE GOT THOSE BROKEN OUT FOR YOU THERE AT THE BOTTOM.

UH, BASICALLY ALL OF THE TOP FOUR, THOSE CATEGORIES ARE ALL WATER AND WASTEWATER CATEGORIES.

UM, BUT THE VERY LAST ONE IS ACTUALLY A STORMWATER CATEGORY, AN EDGE.

YOU SEEING THE AMOUNTS THAT WILL BE ALLOCATED FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, THOSE CATEGORIES, QUITE A BIT OF MONEY IT'S GOING TO BE OUT THERE.

THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS.

UM, HERE'S SORT OF THE BAD NEWS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE HERE, THIS IS SORT OF A SUMMARY AND BREAKDOWN OF, UM, HOW THAT'S FUNDING ALLOCATED.

AND THOSE ARE THE FIVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT THEY'RE ALLOCATED IN THE FUNDS AND ACROSS.

AND THE FIRST COLUMN THERE THAT LISTS THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS LISTS THE NUMBERS, THAT'S THE MONEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED.

SO AS THEY DEVELOP THIS, THE, UH, THE SESSION LAW FOR THIS, THEY WENT AHEAD AND MADE DIRECT ALLOCATIONS TO A NUMBER OF WATER, WASTEWATER AND STORM WATER UTILITIES ACROSS THE STATE.

AND THOSE WERE DIRECTLY ALLOCATED.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPLY FOR PLANTS.

THOSE MONIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN ESSENTIALLY HANDED OUT NOW, AS YOU WILL SEE, THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF A VERY BOTTOM THERE, $8.39 MILLION, ESPECIALLY 840 MILLION OF THAT MONEY IS ALREADY BEEN HANDED OUT.

UM, SO WHAT'S LEFT IS $758 MILLION ACROSS FIVE CATEGORIES.

UH, THE TOP TWO THAT HAVE THE BIG RED CIRCLES BESIDE OR CATEGORIES THAT THE CITY OF NEWBURN WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR.

THESE ARE FOR AT RISK SYSTEMS, UH, OR SORRY, DISTRESS SYSTEMS AND SYSTEMS THAT ARE AT RISK OF BEING DISTRESSED.

SO THESE ARE NORMALLY VERY SMALL UTILITIES, UH, THAT ARE HAVING TROUBLE WITH OUTDATED INFRASTRUCTURE AND DO NOT HAVE THE FINANCIAL MEANS TO KIND OF BRING THESE, UH, INTO REPAIR OR INTO CURRENT STATE STANDARDS.

TRYING TO THINK OF LOCAL EXAMPLES.

I'M THINKING OF REALLY SMALL SYSTEMS. I THINK LIKE THE TOWN OF PAUL HICKSVILLE, THINGS OF THAT LOCALLY MAY PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE.

SO SYSTEMS LIKE THAT STATEWIDE, OR WHO WOULD QUALIFY FOR THESE TWO BUCKETS OF MONEY.

THE NEXT ONE DOWN IS THE ONE THAT'S REALLY AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY.

AND THIS IS ONE THAT WE BRING AND APPLY FOR ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER SYSTEM IN THE STATE RALEIGH, CHARLOTTE, GREENSBORO, GREENVILLE, FAYETTEVILLE WALL, BE COMPETING FOR THESE DOLLARS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S 54.1 MILLION LEFT THERE, THE MAXIMUM GRANT AWARD FOR THOSE PROJECTS, WE UP TO $15 MILLION.

SO EVEN THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY I WOULD ANTICIPATE TO SEE PROBABLY ANOTHER HALF A DOZEN, MAYBE 10 PROJECTS AWARDED STATEWIDE AND THAT'LL CAPTURE THE REMAINING FUNDS.

AND THAT BELOW THAT THE $77 MILLION THAT'S LEFT

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FOR ENGINEERING STUDIES.

AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT IS.

OR THOSE ARE ASSET INVENTORY STUDIES, UH, SEWER INFLOW STUDIES, REGIONALIZATION STUDIES, MERGER STUDIES.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST ENGINEERING STUDY AND PLAN WORK ASSOCIATED WITH WATER WASTE WORK PROJECTS.

UM, AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WE'D HAVE A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE AT GETTING A GRANT IN THAT, IN THAT STUDY POOL, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY AVAILABLE IN THE MAXIMUM BRANCH CAN BE $400,000 SO THAT THOSE WILL COVER A LOT OF STUDY GRANTS, UH, FOR A LOT OF SYSTEMS. AND WE WILL TRY OUR BEST TO GO AFTER SOME OF THAT FUNDING.

AND THE LAST ONE, THERE IS $82 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR DIRECT STORE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THIS IS SOMETHING FAIRLY NEW FOR NORTH CAROLINA.

NORMALLY THEY DO HAVE HISTORICALLY HAD A LOT OF FUNDING AVAILABLE THROUGH GRANTS AND LOANS FOR WATER WASTEWATER PROJECTS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW FIRST TIMES THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD A LARGE SUM OF MONEY AVAILABLE GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE FOR JUST STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

UH, IT'S SUDDEN NEW.

IN FACT, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE THE APPLICATION CRITERIA AND THE SCORING CRITERIA SET UP YET.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE LONGER BEFORE THEY FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE APPLICATIONS, WHAT THE MAXIMUM WARD'S GOING TO BE.

I WOULD SUSPECT IT WOULD BE MUCH LIKE THE WATER WASTEWATER PROJECT, WHERE YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A 10 TO $15 MILLION MAXIMUM AWARD PER GRANT RECIPIENT.

SO EVEN THERE, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE $82 MILLION COVERING ANOTHER HALF, A DOZEN OR 10 PROJECTS AS WELL.

SO THE GOOD NEWS THERE'S MONEY OUT THERE.

THE BAD NEWS ON THE BULK OF IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DIRECTLY ALLOCATED THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

WHAT'S LEFT WILL BE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE.

WE WILL BE WORKING WITH MARGARET JOB.

THE OTHER WORKS PART MYSELF, PUTTING TOGETHER THE BEST APPLICATIONS WE CAN TO TRY TO COMPETE IN EVERY WAY WE CAN.

THESE THREE CATEGORIES, UM, THE LIKELIHOOD WE'RE GETTING THIS IS GOING TO BE SMALL, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A GOOD CASE OF MCCAIN.

SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS OUT THERE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A QUICK SUMMARY, THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MONEY PUSHED OUT OF WATER WASTE WATER PROJECTS, BUT WHEN YOU PUSH IT OUT STATEWIDE, UM, THE NUMBERS GET REALLY SMALL AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY AVAILABLE FOR EACH SYSTEM.

AND EVEN THERE WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR NEWBURN BECAUSE WE DON'T FIT IN ANY OF THE DISTRESS CATEGORIES OR AT RISK CATEGORIES ARE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE GRANT MONEY THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GO AFTER IT IS SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER.

SO THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW TIMES THAT YOU'RE, IT'S A BAD THING TO BE A WELL-RUN WELL-MANAGED FROM A OPERATION SIDE TO A FINANCIAL SIDE.

NUBER HAS, THEY WILL RUN WHAT OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE WERE KIND OF DISQUALIFIED FROM COMPETING FOR A LOT OF THESE FUNDS.

SO, JORDAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

SO IN REFERENCE TO THE STONE WORD, NOW, THIS IS WHERE WOULD YOUR DEPARTMENT BE HANDLING THAT APPLICATION PROCESS OR WOULD THAT GO THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS? THAT'D BE THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS, WORKING, WORKING WITH, UH, OUR GRANT WRITER, TRYING TO COME UP WITH APPLICATIONS.

AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF LANGUAGE THAT THESE ARE THE SAME IN THE, IN THE WASTEWATER OR WATER APPLICATION.

AND THE, UH, THIS ONE WILL APPLICATION THAT'LL DO SO ALL KIND OF WE'LL TEAM UP BEST.

WE CAN TRY TO PUT TOGETHER APPLICATIONS THAT, UH, KIND OF PAINT THE BEST PICTURE WE CAN TRYING TO BUILD RESILIENCY IN THESE SYSTEMS. UM, AND I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE OUR BEST APPROACH TO TRYING TO GET SOME OF THIS GRANT FUNDING, THE, THE TIMELINE THIS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, UH, 1ST OF FEBRUARY, THE STATE IS SUPPOSED TO KIND OF PUBLISH THE NEW APPLICATION CRITERIA IN SPORE AND CRITERIA.

AND ONCE WE HAVE THAT, WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW TO REALLY DRAFT A PROJECT OR PROJECTS AROUND WHAT THE SCORING CRITERIA IS GOING TO BE TO TRY TO CHECK AS MANY BOXES AS WE CAN AND, AND DO AS WELL AS WE CAN IN THIS COMPETITIVE SCORING.

LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION.

WHERE'S MY OLD PHONE NOW WITH THE SAME STORE, SOME WATER HERE, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE $82 MILLION.

AND, BUT NOW IS THIS, IS THIS ALSO IN REFERENCE TO THE, IS IT THE SAME AS THE STATE, UH, CLEAN WATER REVOLVING FUND? IS THAT BASICALLY SAYING, OR THIS IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT? IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS.

THIS IS MUCH LIKE THE ARP MONEY THAT NEWBURN IS GETTING THIS, THIS LUMP SUM OF MONEY THAT WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN BEFORE, THAT THE STATE'S GETTING THE SAME THING AND THEY'RE PUSHING OUT IN SEPARATE DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND THIS IS ONE AREA THAT WE'RE PUSHING OUT ALMOST 1.7 BILLION FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND I'LL ALSO STONEWARE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO DAN YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WE, AS A CITY CAN GO IN FROM AND APPLY FOR A GRANT UNDER THE CLEAN WATER STATE REVOLVING FUND, WHICH IS PART OF THIS SAME MONEY.

IT'LL BE A SEPARATE, IT'LL FOLLOW SOME OF THE SAME, UM, APPLICATION AND THE SAME REVIEW PROCEDURES THAT ARE, THAT HISTORICALLY BEEN IN PLACE FOR THE STATE REVOLVING LOAN GRANTS AND ALSO THE CLEAN WATER MONEY.

HOWEVER, THIS IS KIND OF SET ASIDE.

THESE ARE VERY SPECIAL POOLS OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE, WHEN YOU SEND YOUR APPLICATION, YOU WILL BASICALLY CHECK THE BOX.

AND WE WERE APPLYING TO THESE POOLS.

UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE HASN'T BEEN TRUE GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE TO THIS SIZE AND THIS VOLUME EVER FOR WATER WASTEWATER AND STORM WATER PROJECTS, NORTH CAROLINA.

SO IT DIDN'T LIKE TOO MUCH, LIKE OUR ARP MONEY IS VERY UNIQUE AND A ONE-TIME

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THING.

THIS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE SAME THING.

IT'S, IT'S VERY UNIQUE AND IT'S A ONE-TIME AS A CITY TO APPLY FOR SOMETHING.

WE'RE CERTAINLY, LIKE I SAY IT UNTIL EVEN IF YOU TOLD THAT THE STATE IS FINALIZED THE APPLICATION CRITERIA, WE KNOW EXACTLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 10 POINTS.

IF YOU CHECK THIS BOX AND 15 POINTS, HAVE YOU CHECKED THAT BOX? IT'S DIFFICULT TO REALLY SAY HOW YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO APPLY FOR IT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE CRITERIA.

SO THERE, BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY, THAT CRITERIA SHOULD COME OUT FOR THE WATER WASTEWATER PROJECTS, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER, UH, A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT OUR SCOPE NEEDS TO BE FOR A PROJECT FOR WHAT OUR WASTEWATER, AND THEN THIS SUMMER, THEY WILL COME OUT WITH THE, OR SCHEDULE COME OUT WITH THE APPLICATION CRITERIA FOR THE STORMWATER PROJECTS, AND WE'LL HAVE A REAL GOOD IDEA OF WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER AN APPLICATION PACKAGE WITH STORM WATER PROJECTS.

UM, THAT KINDA LEADS ME TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

HEY JORDAN, BEFORE YOU DO THAT GOODBYE, GOODBYE TO THAT SIDE.

I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT, INSTEAD OF OUT OF THIS $1.6 BILLION, 839 MILLION HAS ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

AND WHEN DID THIS BECOME AVAILABLE? GOOD QUESTION.

WHEN DID THE, THE, WHO, WHO GAVE OUT $840 BILLION OR MILLION DOLLARS BEFORE WE EVEN GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR ANY OF IT? NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND PASSING THE LAW, THE ALLOCATED THE FUNDING, THEY WENT AHEAD AND DIRECTLY ALLOCATED A LOT OF MONEY AND WE ACTUALLY DID GET SOME MONEY IN THIS.

WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE $230,000 FOR WATER WASTEWATER PROJECTS AND $75,000 FOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS.

AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A KIND OF PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR A PROJECT.

I JUST, IT IS HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD GIVE OUT $840 MILLION BEFORE THEY EVEN LET US KNOW ABOUT IT ARE TO LET US HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR IT.

I WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY WAS EAST OF 95.

UH, THERE WERE SOME CHUNKS IN THERE IT'S ALL BROKEN OUT IN SESSION AND I CAN ACTUALLY I'LL MAKE THAT PACKAGE AVAILABLE TO FOSTER AND HE CAN PASS ALONG TO THE BOARD MEMBERS IN THE ACTION IN THE LAW THAT, THAT GOT APPROVED.

THERE'S SEVERAL PAGES OF WHO THE RECIPIENTS WERE AND THE AMOUNTS, AND THEY RANGE FROM THE $75,000.

AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE SMALLER ONES, UPWARDS OF $30 MILLION.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF THERE FOR 30 TO $35 MILLION.

UM, AND THEN THEY DO GO STATEWIDE THERE'S, UH, I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER ONE IN CRAVEN COUNTY OTHER THAN THE TWO WE HAVE.

UM, BUT THAT THERE ARE SOME EAST OF 95 THAT THEY'RE SCATTERED ACROSS THE STATE JORDAN.

UM, ONE QUESTION, HOW MUCH OF OUR WAR NOW THE BLAND IS BLACK CREEK STILL, STILL RUNNING ABOUT A 50 50 BLEND.

SO MY QUESTION IS THIS IS IT OBVIOUSLY, IF WE WERE GETTING THIS GRANT OPPORTUNITY YEARS GUY, WHEN STATE MANDATED THAT WE GO INTO BACK INTO THE CASTLE PAIN, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OR HAS ANY OTHER CITY TRIED TO GET SOME OF THE GRANT MONEY TO, TO SCRUB THE WATER A LITTLE BIT MORE? YOU KNOW, CAUSE THAT'S THE MAJOR COMPLAINT.

THE ALDEN GATE IS, IS THAT CASTLE HANG WATER.

IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF ANY TYPE OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO SCRUB THE DISCOVERED WATER MORE WITH THE KIDS THERE, THERE COULD BE, THERE COULD BE A, YOU COULD, YOU COULD HAVE A WATER CENTRIC PROJECT THAT FOCUSED ON ADVANCED.

I MEAN, WOULDN'T THAT BE A PRETTY REASONABLE PROJECT? IT WOULD DEPEND ON THAT.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S GONNA BE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THAT WOULD COMPETE BASICALLY BASED ON THE SCORING CRITERIA VERSUS I THINK GIVEN EVERYTHING THE STATE'S BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR LAST DECADE, I REALLY THINK TIES BACK TO RESILIENCY.

WHAT YOU CAN DO TO MAKE YOUR RESTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BONES OF YOUR SYSTEMS STRONGER, MORE RESILIENT TO FUTURE WEATHER EVENTS IS PROBABLY, PROBABLY ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT SCORE THE HIGHEST OR THE MOST LIKELY TO GET FUN.

SO YOU DON'T THINK THAT WAS SCHOOL? OH, AN ANSWER YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT WAR.

WELL, MATT COMPLAINTS, BLUE WATER RISE WITH LOW WATER PRESSURE.

I MEAN, I DON'T THAT I HAD ENOUGH COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE WATER MYSELF THAT I PUT IN A SOFTWARE SYSTEM AT MY HOUSE BECAUSE IT WAS SO BAD, BUT IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS NOW THAT THE IT'S CERTAINLY GOOD.

YES, SIR.

THERE, THERE, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THAT WILL SCORE UNTIL WE GET THE, THE CRITERIA OUT AND WE CAN'T REALLY WAIT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PROJECT WE PUSHED FORWARD IN THE APPLICATION, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CRITERIA LOOKS LIKE AND WHICH ONE WE THINK WILL SCORE THE BEST AT THIS MORAL BRICKS AND MORTAR IS SOME MORE ENGINEERING.

LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS THIS MONEY FOR? IS THIS FOR ACTUAL WELL, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT BUCKETS.

SO WHAT YOU'VE GOT LEFT THERE WITH THE 54.1 MILLION THAT'S ACTUAL STICKS AND BRICKS, THEY WANT TO SEE SOMETHING BUILT WITH THAT BELOW THAT,

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WHERE YOU'VE GOT $77.6 MILLION.

THAT IS ALL JUST ENGINEERING AND PLANNING AND MONEY.

SO THAT, THAT IS REGIONALIZATION STUDIES, ASSET INVENTORY STUDIES, S S E S, OR THOSE ARE TRYING TO GO THERE AND FIGURE OUT WHERE YOUR PROBLEMS ARE.

UM, AND BECAUSE THE MAXIMUM GRANT IS ONLY $400,000 LOWS, YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE A LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE FUNDED.

UM, WHEREAS THE STICKS AND BRICKS PROJECTS, A MAXIMUM GRANT AMOUNT OF $15 MILLION, OR YOU ONLY GOT 54 MILLION TO SPEND, YOU COULD, YOU COULD IN THEORY, HAVE FOUR PROJECTS STATEWIDE THAT CONSUME THE REST OF THAT MONEY.

SO HIGHLY COMPETITIVE.

AS THE THING TO REMEMBER, NOT A LOT OF MONEY LEFT, WE'RE GONNA DO THE BEST JOB WE CAN TO GET OUR HANDLE AS MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN.

UH, AND REAL QUICK, JUST TO RUN DOWN THE SCHEDULE.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, INTO THIS MONTH, FIRST PART OF NEXT MONTH, THEY'RE GONNA FINALIZE WHAT THOSE, UH, APPLICATION CRITERIA GONNA BE FOR THE WATER WASTEWATER PROJECTS.

UM, WE'LL GET EVERYTHING READY TO GET THOSE SUBMITTED THIS SPRING.

AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE AWARDS IN MAY, JUNE WINDOW OF WHO GETS, THAT'S GONNA BE THE, WHAT THEY'RE CALLED THE FIRST ROUND.

I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY.

THERE'LL BE ANY FUNDING LEFTOVER FOR A SECOND ROUND.

UH, I THINK THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO AHEAD AND DB IT ALL OUT IN THE MAY ROUND.

AND THEN LATER THIS SUMMER, UM, THEY WILL, THEY WILL FIT, FINALIZE THE CRITERIA FOR THE STORMWATER PROJECT AND LOOKING AT PROBABLY TRYING TO GET THAT SET UP WHERE WE CAN MAKE APPLICATION AND THEY'LL MAKE AWARDS FOR THE STONEWATER MONEY IN, IN THE FALL AND THEIR TYPICAL FALL WINDOW.

SO, UM, THE STORMWATER WILL BE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE AS WELL BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THEIR, THEIR HANDS.

THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE WATER WASTEWATER SYSTEMS, BUT DO HAVE ALMOST EVERY CITY OR COUNTY HAS SOME TYPE OF STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THEY'RE EVEN MORE HANDS IN THE POT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STORM WATER, YOU KNOW, THE STORM WHERE APPLICANTS THAT COULD BE IN THEIR, UM, PREFERENCE TO, UM, RESILIENCY OR SINCE THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IN DEPTH OF FIELD, COULD THIS APPLY TO THAT? OR WOULD WE BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO APPLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO LIKE SAY, WOULD THEY COME UP WITH THAT SCORING CRITERIA IN THE APPLICATION PACKAGE, WE'LL REALLY KNOW WHAT THE STATE'S LOOKING FOR.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR HIGHEST PRIORITY.

AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A, YOU KNOW, SOME GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT TRY TO CHECK THE MANY BOXES.

WE CAN HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE WORK WE'VE DONE ON SOME OF THOSE OTHER GRANT APPLICATIONS AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE ALREADY HAVE ONGOING HEALTH CHECKS AND THOSE BOXES, THE STATE LIKES TO SEE THAT THIS ISN'T JUST A SHOT FROM THE HIP.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON A PROBLEM YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.

YOU'VE GOT A PLAN GOING FORWARD.

ALL THOSE THINGS TYPICALLY HELP YOU SCORE HIGHER, BUT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE APPLICATION OF THE CRITERIA IS THAT WE'RE JUST, WE DON'T KNOW.

THANK YOU.

AND LIKE THE REST OF THE ARP FUNDING THAT THE DEADLINES ARE THE SAME WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE.

IF WE WERE AWARDED THIS, WE'D HAD TO HAVE IT ENCUMBERED BY DECEMBER OF 24 AND THEN HAVE IT FULLY EXPENDED BY DECEMBER OF 26, WHICH I WOULDN'T SEE IT BEING MUCH CONDITION.

ANY QUESTIONS NOT I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO KIM.

THANKS JORDAN.

THANKS.

SO WITH THE ART FUNDS ON THERE, MULTIPLE LEVELS OF LAWS AND REGULATIONS AND COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT OVERLAP, AND THEY JUST WANT TO BE, UM, CAREFUL BECAUSE EVERY EXPENDITURE THAT WE DO HAVE, WHETHER IT'S SALARIES, BENEFITS, CONTRACT SERVICES, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UM, THEY ALL HAVE SPECIFIC RULES UNDER THE VARIOUS LAWS.

WOULD THAT, IS THERE A CONTRIBUTORY MAP THE STATE HAS DO, OR IS THIS A HUNDRED PERCENT FEDERAL ONE? THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT FEDERAL MONEY.

HOWEVER, UM, THERE ARE SOME, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF EXPENDITURE, THERE IS SOME INFLUENCE FROM THE STATE AS WELL.

SO THE, UM, UNIFORM GRANT GUIDANCE, UH, REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE.

AND THIS WAS JUST KIND OF A SNIPPET, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO ADOPT THESE POLICIES BEFORE WE CAN EVEN SPEND A DOLLAR OF THESE FUNDS.

ARE ANY OF THESE POLICIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADOPT OR DO WE ALREADY HAVE THEM AND HAVE THEM IN PLACE? NO, WE'LL HAVE TO ADAPT SEVERAL POLICIES.

OKAY.

WE HAVE ABOUT HALF OF THESE POLICIES IN PLACE CURRENTLY, IS THAT JUST A IN-HOUSE POLICY CHANGE? UH, SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE BOARD FOR, SO WHAT'S NEXT.

UM, THE VERY FIRST THING WE NEED TO DECIDE IS IF WE WANT TO ELECT THE STANDARD ALLOWANCE DEDUCTION THAT ANSWERS DO AND HE PHARRELL AND, UM, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE

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NEEDS FOR THE CITY, WHAT CURRENT DEFICIENCIES, UM, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, WHAT PROJECTS ARE ON THE PUNCH LIST THAT WE HAVEN'T, UM, FUNDED YET? WHAT IS OUR WISHLIST OF COURSE, AND WHAT ARE THE NEEDS AND WANTS FOR THE COMMUNITY? WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF, UM, THE CITY DUE TO THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF COVID? UM, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO PRIORITIZE THAT AS A GROUP AND THEN EVALUATED.

IS IT REASONABLE? UM, DO WE HAVE COMMUNITY BUY-IN? DOES IT FIT IN WITHIN THE TIMELINE? IS THAT ALLOWABLE? WHAT CATEGORY DOES IT FIT IN? UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE POSSIBLY TO SUPPORT THOSE PROJECTS? AND LASTLY, IS IT SUSTAINABLE? WHAT FUTURE EXPENSES WILL WE INCUR IF WE UNDERTAKE THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT? SO IN THE UPCOMING SLIDES, WE, WE SHARE SOME NEEDS AND UNFUNDED PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE, WHICH ARE ALSO ALLOWABLE UNDER THE AARP FUNDS.

UM, CYBER SECURITY CONCERNS IS ONE OF THEM.

UM, TONY PROVIDED SOME STATISTICS HERE THAT THE SIGNIFICANT CYBER ATTACKS HAPPEN EVERY 14 SECONDS WITH RANSOMWARE BEING THE MOST CONCERNING, UM, THERE'S 44 SIGNIFICANT CYBER INCIDENCES IN NORTH CAROLINA PUBLIC SECTOR FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, AVERAGING $700,002 MILLION.

AND WITH RECOVERY TAKING ABOUT SIX TO NINE MONTHS, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR SOME CYBERSECURITY SOLUTIONS, UM, HAVE BEEN LISTED AT CA IT'S ABOUT $463,000 WITH VULNERABILITY SCANNING, SOFTWARE MANAGED DETECTION AND RESPONSE, AS I AM LOGGING SYSTEM AND SECURITY AWARENESS TRAINING.

I MEAN, IS THAT CITYWIDE, POLICE, FIRE, EVERYTHING.

WHEN YOU SAY 48,000, YES.

THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD INCLUDE SCANNING OF OUR ENTIRE NETWORK, ALL THE RESOURCES ON IT.

HOW LONG WOULD THAT STUDY CHECK? EXCUSE ME TO TELL, WOULD THAT TAKE, UH, WELL, THE VULNERABILITY SCANNING IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S CONDUCTED BY SPECIALIZED SOFTWARE.

UH, IT'S GENERALLY CONDUCTED MULTIPLE TIMES.

YOU WOULD TYPICALLY DO IT LIKE, UH, ONCE A WEEK OR SO.

UH, IT ACTUALLY ONLY TAKES UP AN HOUR OR SO FOR THE SOFTWARE TO SCAN THROUGH THE NETWORK.

OKAY.

AND HE HAS ANY OF THE CITIES, UM, CLOSE BY HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THIS? DID, DID I NOT READ WHILE BACK THEN? YES.

GREENVILLE HAS HAD AN ISSUE WITH THIS, AS I SAID, A NUMBER OF CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

AND OF COURSE, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND IT PRETTY MUCH SHUTS DOWN YOUR NETWORK WHEN IT HAPPENS, THEY ENCRYPT ALL THE DATA ON IT.

THE LAW WAS RECENTLY PASSED.

UH, THE WAY IT WORKS IS THE CYBER CRIMINAL WILL ENCRYPT YOUR DATA.

AND THEN THEY WILL PROVIDE YOU, UH, AN UNTRACEABLE MECHANISM OF PAYING THE RANSOM PAYMENT IN ORDER TO GET A KEY, TO UNLOCK YOUR DATA ON ELECTRONIC KEY.

UH, BUT NORTH CAROLINA ACTUALLY JUST PASSED A LAW.

WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PAY THAT RANSOM.

SO, UH, IF WE ARE ENCRYPTED ON THE, THE RECOURSE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US, WOULDN'T BE TO GO TO OFFSITE BACKUPS, WHICH, WHICH WE HAVE.

AND, UH, UH, BUT THE BEST COURSE IS TO TRY AND PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE MEASURES WE WOULD USE TO TRY TO DO IN ADDITION TO CYBERSECURITY MEASURES WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE.

SO HOW LONG WOULD THIS $48,000 EXPENDITURE SERVE THE CITY AS FAR AS THAT'S THE ESTIMATED COST FOR ONE YEAR, BUT ONE YEAR? YES.

THAT'S JUST FOR THE SCANNING.

YES.

ARE WE DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW? UH, WE HAVE DONE SOME, SOME TRIALS WITH SCANNING DUE TO, UH, NOT HAVING THE FUNDING AVAILABLE.

WE DON'T HAVE A REGULAR, PERMANENT SCANNING PROGRAM IN PLACE.

OKAY.

AND WHAT DOES THIS WHOLE PACKAGE UP TO? 163,463,000.

AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE ANNUAL REOCCURRING A COST? UM, THAT WOULD BE THE ANNUAL REOCCURRING COSTS, $400,000 FROM NOW ON OUT.

IF WE WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH, WITH ALL OF THESE CAPABILITIES ON AN ONGOING BASIS, THERE'S SOME VALUE TO DOING IT INITIALLY, BUT AS YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR NETWORKS,

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THE DATA ON THEM, THE SOFTWARE YOU'RE RUNNING IS IN A CONSTANT STATE OF FLUX AS WE ADD NEW SERVICES AND CAPABILITIES.

SO, UH, ANYTIME THERE'S A CHANGE, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE OR INSECURITY CREEP INTO YOUR NETWORK THAT, THAT THESE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS WOULD BE DESIGNED TO HELP YOU EITHER DEFEND AGAINST OR DETECT.

UM, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT GOING ON WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND ORGANIZATIONS ALREADY.

YEAH.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE, UH, THE BAD ACTORS THAT PERPETRATE THESE CRIMES, UH, THEY ARE INVESTING IN RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, JUST LIKE WE ARE.

THEY CONSTANTLY COME UP WITH NEW WAYS TO ATTACK YOUR NETWORKS, REPLACE ANY SOFTWARE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

NOW, NOW THESE ARE ALL NEW CAPABILITIES THAT IT WOULD SUPPLEMENT.

SOME THAT WE HAVE ON.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE NOT DOING A LOT TO PROVIDE FOR CYBER SECURITY.

NOW, THE FACT IS, IS WE DO.

YEAH, WHAT I WAS WONDERING IF WE WERE PAYING $200,000 FOR SOME SECURITY SOLUTION THAT THIS WOULD REPLACE, AND WE COULD SAVE $200,000, CAUSE WE WOULDN'T NEED THAT ONE.

SO THESE WOULD PRETTY MUCH BE NEW CAPABILITIES THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE.

AND THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE THEM IS OBVIOUS FROM THE NUMBERS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.

IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING OUR BUDGET HAS BEEN ABLE TO SUPPORT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANKS.

SO NEXT WEEK I HAVE, UM, CHARLIE AND JUST, DIDN'T TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT OR GOOD AFTERNOON.

THE ELECTRIC SYSTEM LONG RANGE PLAN IDENTIFIES LIMITED CAPACITY SYSTEM FOR TESTING AND CONTINGENCIES TO REROUTE POWER BETWEEN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRENT RIVER.

UM, WE HAVE THREE SUBSTATIONS TOTAL.

UH, TWO OF THEM ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TRACK RIVER ONES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRENT RIVER.

AND WE HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX TRANSFORMERS WITHIN THOSE THREE SUBSTATIONS ARE MODELING INDICATES VOLTAGE DROPS BETWEEN USABLE VOLTAGE LEVELS UNDER CRITICAL LOADING CONDITION AND AS LOAD GROWS AND AS OUR SYSTEM TERRITORY GROWS.

SO VOLTAGE DROP IS A REAL CONCERN.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE IS NO CONTINGENCY.

IF WE LOSE ONE OF THOSE TRANSFORMERS UNDER PEAK CONDITIONS, WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTION, BUT TO SHED LOAD, UM, THE FIX ABOUT $10,000 OR $10 MILLION IN A MASSIVELY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, UM, HE PRESENTLY FUNDED $500,000 IN A PROJECT FUND TO HELP ME GET STARTED WITH THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING LAND ACQUISITIONS RIGHT NOW AND INTERVIEWING ENGINEERS THAT CAN WORK ON THAT ENGINEERING AND DESIGN PROCESS FOR US.

AND, UH, THE BALANCE OF THAT, THAT EXPENDITURE IS ASSUMED TO BE WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND ASK FOR YOU TO GRANT.

UM, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL, THERE WERE DEBT SERVICE.

SO ANY POSSIBLE FUNDING THAT WE CAN GET FROM THIS PROGRAM WOULD OFFSET ANY DEBT SERVICE MUCH MORE, BUT MOST REALISTICALLY, I THINK CHARLIE HILL, IF YOU HAD, YOU GOT SIX AND YOU DECIDE TRANSPLANT, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR 200 K DOWN TO 20 K OR WHATEVER ARE THE BIG ONES.

UM, BUT AGAIN, 20 OF THEM, IF YOU CAN'T BACK FEED TWO FROM ONE ANOTHER, IT WOULDN'T MATTER HOW MANY TRANSFORMS YOU HAD TO GAIN BACK FEED LIKE LEWIS FARM ROAD AS FAR OUT AS IT IS, UNLESS YOU GET AT FOUR SUBSTATION, CORRECT.

THAT WHAT WERE CORRECTED ON THAT SEAT CITED THAT DEAL.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT I KNOW YOU YOU'VE WORKED WITH DUKE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE NOT WHERE WE WANT TO BE WITH THAT.

SO IS THAT PART OF THIS? IT'S ALL PART OF THAT PART OF THIS, UH, THIS PROJECT HAS $10 MILLION THAT I SPEAK OF WOULD BE CITED IN A NEW SUBSTATION.

UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRENT RIVER, I'VE GOT A SITE LOCATED, UM, OFF OF COUNTY LINE ROAD, PRESENTLY WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW I'M DOING LAND APPRAISALS.

I'LL BE BACK TO YOU VERY SOON WITH BANKERS.

WOULD YOU BE GETTING FOR THE SUBSTATION FOUR ACRES, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF EASEMENTS AND RIGHTS AWAY THAT AFFECT OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT I'M GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

SO I DON'T HAVE THAT TOTAL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, UH, I KNOW YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROBABLY SOME OF YOUR MORE MAXIMAL USE AREAS.

YOU WOULD TAKE A SOUTHGATE TRANSFORMER PROBABLY PUT OUT THERE FOR THE NEW ONE.

AND IS THAT FOR SIZING PURPOSES OR? YES, THEY'RE

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PART, PART OF THE PLAN.

ONCE WE GET A NEW SUBSTATION OVER ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'LL MOVE SOME LOAD FROM TRENT ROAD SUBSTATION AND FROM THE BLEND BURMESE SUBSTATION, MOVE THAT ACROSS THE RIVER FROM THE NEW SUBSTATION, THAT'LL FREE UP CAPACITY, UM, OVER HERE OUT OF THOSE TWO SUBSTATIONS TO FURTHER SERVE THAT GROWING AREA IN WEST NEWBURN.

UH, SO WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THERE TO HAVE TO BE READY TO SERVE THAT PART OF THE CITY.

IT GROWS WESTWARD.

YEAH, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME NOW AND CHARLIE KEEPS TELLING US THE NEED IS THERE.

WE NEED TO QUIT.

WHETHER WE USE ARP FUNDS OR WE, WHATEVER KIND OF FUNDS WE USE, WE NEED, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT BEFORE WE WAKE UP ONE SUMMER MORNING AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE ANY POWER AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TRANSFORMER, OR WE HAVE A TRANSFORMER THAT GOES OUT THAT WE CAN'T FEED EVERYBODY IN NEWBURGH.

I MEAN, WE JUST NEED TO MOVE ON THIS PROJECT.

AND CHARLOTTE, SOME OF THAT IS THAT IF YOU HAD CO-GENERATION WITH DIESEL OR NATURAL GAS, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE NOTHING.

IF NO WORDS, LIKE IF YOU HAD A MAJOR GO FEED, WENT OUT AT LEWIS FARM ROAD AND BE, I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY OF CODE GENERATING.

EVEN IF YOU WERE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO IT, YOU'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT, WILL BE ANYTHING, RIGHT.

IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.

AND ON TOP OF IT, OUR PURCHASE POWER AGREEMENT RESTRICTS OUR ABILITY TO HAVE THAT MUCH GENERATED.

SO, AND, UH, YOU'RE NOT TAUGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BATTERY SITUATION.

DO YOU WANT TO UPDATE ON THAT IN THIS? YES.

THANK YOU.

UM, AS YOU RECALL, LAST WORKSHOP, I WAS ADVISING YOU FOLKS OF EMERGING PROJECT, UM, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, AND IT WAS ABOUT A $4.2 MILLION INVESTMENT.

AND THE RETURN IS ABOUT $1.4 MILLION ANNUALLY.

SO IT'S A REALLY GREAT, EXCITING PROJECT WHERE, UM, WE CAN AVOID SOME COSTS ON OUR PURCHASE POWER SUPPLY.

UM, I'VE BEEN SILENT ON THAT SINCE I LAST TALKED TO YOU, IT'S VERY MUCH ON MY RADAR SCREEN, BUT DUKE IS FIGHTING AGAINST IT.

UM, THEY'RE FIGHTING VERY, VERY HARD THIS SUMMER.

UH, THEY FILED A GRIEVANCE, UM, WITH THE FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY COMMISSION.

WE WON THAT AND THEY FIRED, FILED AN APPEAL.

THIS FALL.

WE WON THAT APPEAL.

UM, YESTERDAY I GOT AN UPDATE THAT, UM, WE WON THE DC DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS, UH, HEARING UNANIMOUSLY.

AND I HAVE A MEETING WITH ELECT ON THE CAMP, A MEMBERS SHIP TOMORROW, AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE.

SO HOPEFULLY I'LL BE BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATION ON THAT PROJECT.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S A $5 MILLION PROJECT WITH A PAYBACK.

CHARLIE, IF, IF WE WERE TO JUMP ON THAT PROJECT NOW AND DUKE'S LOBBYISTS OR WHATEVER, THEY GET A LAW CHANGED IN RALEIGH, THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THAT.

WOULD WE BE GRANDFATHERED IN ROLODEX? WE DON'T KNOW.

UM, WE COULD CERTAINLY START THAT PROJECT.

THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE STARTED TAKING THE RISK.

I'VE NOT BROUGHT THAT TO YOU BECAUSE, UM, I DIDN'T THINK THAT RISK WOULD BE WELL-RECEIVED, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE RISKS, WELL, IF YOU TELL HIM ABOUT THE BATTERIES, IT'S MORE ABOUT SHELF LIFE.

IF YOU WERE GOING TO GET PEAK DEMAND DOWN, I REALLY SEE IF WE COULD LEGALLY DO IT WITH THE GENERATING BECAUSE THE SHELF LIFE OF A GENERATOR MIGHT BE MUCH SLOWER THAN BATTERIES.

NOW I AGREE WITH PART OF WHAT I'M DOING BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THIS, THIS FIGHT AGAINST DUKE HAS AGAINST BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.

I WOULD GLADLY TRADE BATTERIES FOR GENERATORS ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, UM, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

AND YOU'D LANDLINE WOULD DO ONE TRADE GENERATORS.

I THINK YOU SAID YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE CONCERN THERE.

THANK YOU FOR CREDIT.

YES, SIR.

I WOULD, I WOULD TRADE GENERATORS FOR BATTERIES ANY DAY OF THE WEEK AND WHAT I'M HOPING COMES OUT OF THIS AS WE GET, UM, SOME RELIEF ON OUR GENERATOR CAPACITY, UM, ALLOWABLE GENERATOR CAPACITY.

AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND A GENERATOR PROJECT OVER A BATTERY PROJECT, BUT IF WE CAN ONLY DO ONE OF, WE CAN ONLY DO BATTERY, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL A GOOD PROJECT AND IT'S A PAYBACK FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU REMEMBER, WE SPENT SOME $400,000.

UM, AND I THINK EVEN THOUGH THE CITY OF NEWMAN LOMA AND ROCKY MOUNTAIN, THERE WERE FIVE ORIGINAL, UM, ROCKY MOUNTAIN.

THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH SPLIT THE BILL FOR 32 CITIES.

I'D SAY IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY OF IT FOR THE PURCHASE, YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE.

UM, AND, AND I, I DO MENTION TO YOU, I THINK THE BOARD, IF YOU SEE FIT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THE CITY NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS TO DO FOR PROPER LOBBYING OF OUR POSITION.

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AND I KNOW YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT LEPROSY'S IS DOING AND THEIR SENSE IN KNOW, NOT GOING ALONG WITH THAT IF THAT'S WORKING, BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT FAVOR, BUT WOULD NOT GET IN THE ORIGINAL, UM, POWER PLAY OR THE PURCHASE IN 1981 MACAWS, THEY WOULD, WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE AND COGENERATION WITH, UH, THEY WERE USING NATURAL GAS GENERATORS.

AND SO THAT WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION.

UM, BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR RIGHTS, IT, IT WORKED VERY WELL FOR FATE MILL.

AND, UM, SO, UM, I'M REALLY THINKING, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, UH, DOING ALL THIS RESEARCH AND STUDYING AND, UM, UM, HOW MUCH OF GRID YOU HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF HOW MUCH THE DEGREE IS, IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE VERSUS ARE THE FUTURE TRENDING IS, IS THE GROWTH OF HOUSING STARVES, UH, OBVIOUSLY IS ON PARODY THE NORTH END THE SOUTH, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT MORE DEMOCRAT, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE INFRASTRUCTURE OVER HERE, BUT THE GROWTH PATTERNS ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE NEAR FUTURE.

I THINK IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE BEEN STARTED OUT THERE.

AND, UH, THE 43 CONNECTORS COMING BACK FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

SO THAT WILL PROMOTE SOME OVER ON THE JAMES CITY SIDE.

I THINK SOME OF THAT INVESTMENT IS SLOWING DOWN SOME EXTENT DUE TO THE HIGHWAY WIDENING PROJECT.

AND WE'RE NOT SEEING QUITE AS MUCH GROWTH RIGHT THERE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF LAND OR OUR WATER GOES OUT IN CONSERVE, UM, UP TOWARDS THE CATFISH LAKE ROAD AREA, SO THAT THERE'S PROBABLY MORE ROOM TO GROW, UM, TALKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE COUNTY LINE ROAD SUBSTATION.

UM, IF THAT GOES IN, THEY HAVE ALREADY, UM, ARE PLANNING ON TRYING TO EXTEND THE AIRPORT ROAD, OLD AIRPORT ROAD, ACROSS COUNTY LINE ROAD AND SERVE THAT LARGE PARCEL, UM, AND DEVELOP THAT.

SO THERE'S GROWTH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER.

UM, IT'S REAL CHARLIE, THE EMAIL THAT WE RECEIVED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FROM YOU OR FROM FOSTER DURING THE COLD WEATHER LAST WEEK SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AG HAS AMOUNT OF DISTRIBUTION WAS 120, WHAT MEGA WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, MEGA WATTS, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT IT.

AND WE WERE AT 95, W WE WERE THIS, THIS PAST WEEK, UH, THE HIGHEST WE'VE SEEN ON OUR SYSTEM IS ABOUT 123 MEGAWATTS, UH, THAT WAS IN JANUARY OF 2018.

AND WE WERE AT A VERY CRITICAL POINT.

SO THAT'S ABOUT MAXED OUT FOR US.

AND SO THIS NEW SUBSTATION THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OVER ON THE JAMES CITY SIDE WOULD CERTAINLY INCREASE THAT AMOUNT QUITE A BIT, IS THAT, AND DID IT ALLOWS A MORE GROWTH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER? UM, AND IT ALSO ALLOWS IMPROVED RELIABILITY AND RESILIENCY, BUT WE CAN MOVE LOAD ACROSS THE RIVER MORE EASILY.

UH, IF YOU RECALL BACK IN, UH, FLORENCE, AND THEN, UH, SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE DUKE OUTAGE, WE TRIED TO CARRY, UH, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RIVER ON THE, ON THE LEWIS FARM SUBSTATION, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER AND WE CAN'T CARRY THAT MUCH LOAD.

UM, SO IF WE WERE TO AUTHORIZE TONIGHT TO ALLOW YOU TO SPEND THIS MONEY, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO GET THIS IN PLACE? IT PROBABLY MEANS WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT'S.

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN SERVICE IN ABOUT TWO YEARS.

SO THE LEAD TIME ON THE TRANSFORMERS RIGHT NOW, UH, I HEARD TODAY A HUNDRED WEEKS.

UM, LAST YEAR IT WAS PROBABLY 38 TO 52 WEEKS.

UM, WE COULD GET LUCKY AND FIND SPACE IN THE MANUFACTURERS, UH, CAPACITY, BUT IF THEY'RE LONG LEAD TIMES, I WOULD GET STARTED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE PROJECT, ALL THE ENGINEERING FOUNDATIONS GET ALL THOSE THINGS MOVING ALONG.

I WOULDN'T DELAY THE PROJECT, JUST WAITING ON THE TRANSFORMERS AND HAVE THOSE, THE PROJECT READY TO SET THOSE TRANSFORMERS WHEN THEY ARRIVED.

SO I'D SAY REALISTICALLY, A COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET IT IN SERVICE AND SEEING SEEN THE BENEFIT OF IT.

SOMETHING MAYBE HELP US UNDERSTAND BETTER WHERE WHERE'S YOUR, WHERE YOU HAVING TO MANUALLY LOAD MANAGE TO MAINTAIN IN THE CITY.

I KNOW THAT WE DO, BUT WE HAVE TO DO ARBITRARY LOAD MANAGEMENT UP AND ABOVE WHAT WE NORMALLY WOULD.

WE WERE MAKING LOAD MANAGEMENT DECISIONS ON, UM, HOW HOT WATER TANKS, UH, HEAT STRIPS GENERATION AND, UH, AN OPERATING THOSE DEVICES.

SO IF WE DIDN'T, WE HAVE TYPICALLY HAVE BROWN OUT AT SOME POINT, YES.

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SAY BLACKOUTS AT BROWN.

WELL, IT WOULD BE BROWN BROWN OUT VERSUS SO, I MEAN, THESE ARE SERIOUS SITUATIONS.

IF YOU'RE, IF WHAT I THINK YOU WERE OUT THERE, YOU WERE DOING IT FOR LOAD MANAGEMENT.

WHEN THE SYSTEM LADY'S DESIGNED SO DIFFERENT THAN A 200 AMP, UM, CIRCUIT BREAKER IN YOUR HOUSE, IF YOU'RE THROWING TWO 40 UP HERE, SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? IF YOU, IF YOU COME IN AND YOU TRY TO SERVE A SECOND HOUSE UP THE PANEL AND IN YOUR HOUSE, UM, BREAKERS ARE GONNA TRIP AND IT'S GONNA GO OUT UNLESS WE NEED MORE CAPACITY PLUG, TOO MANY CROCKPOTS IN.

AND THE CIRCUIT BREAKER.

WELL, I MEAN, THE BOARD IS VERY SENSITIVE TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ONE WAS ABOUT SIX HOURS, UM, BLACKOUT, IF WE CAN CALL IT THAT, UM, WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT HAPPENING AND NOT HAPPENING AGAIN IN PARTICULARLY, CAN YOU INCORPORATE IN YOUR PROJECTED NEEDS SOME TYPE OF, UH, UH, REDUNDANT LOOP WITH THIS, TH THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT, THE ABILITY TO MOVE SOME OF THAT LOAD THAT WAS OFF DURING THE 2008.

SO I'M SAYING, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY IF YOU TOOK A NEW SUBSTATION ON OLD AIRPORT RIGHT AWAY, WHEN YOU DID, IF YOU HAD A 10 FEE TO LOSE SMART ROAD TO THAT CONNECTOR, I MEAN, DUKE POWER SIGNS, DON'T GIVE YOU ALL YOUR NAVY YOUR WAY.

COULD YOU HAVE EXONERATING REDUNDANT LINES TO FEED IN CASE YOU HAD A GUY WITH A FEAT WITH A, WITH A FLAIL MOWER OUT THERE? UH, YES.

TAKING THE CABLE DOWN AND NOT GOING TO PHASE OUT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T HAVE.

RIGHT.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM WHEN WE BUILD A NEW SUBSTATION.

WE HAVE THOSE CONNECTIONS RIGHT NOW.

UM, BUT THEY, WE NEED ANOTHER SUBSTATION TO MOVE THAT LOAD TOO.

SO WE'LL BE BUILDING SOME OF THOSE DISTRIBUTION CAPSULES INTERCONNECTS AS I WAS CALLING THEM.

SO WE CAN MOVE THAT LOAD AROUND BETWEEN LEWIS FARM, GLEN BURNIE, TRENT ROAD, VICE VERSA.

UM, YEAH, I THINK YELLOW IS NOT CONCERNED, BUT IT'S FAR REACHING IS THAT IF YOU WENT WITH THIS 10 MILLION, YOU'RE LOOKING MORE.

AND AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY MAKES DECISIONS OR ELECTRICITY GETS FAVORABLE COGENERATION.

UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TECHNICALLY WE SPENT ALL THIS MONEY ON AMI AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING THE AMI LOAD MANAGEMENT AS MUCH AS WE ARE HOLISTIC MACRO VERSUS MICRO LOAD MANAGEMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I, I SAY WE KEEP OUR INVESTMENT, UH, AMI IS HERE TO SERVICE FOR A LONG TIME.

UM, BUT IF YOU, IF YOUR MACRO BLOOD MANAGING, IF YOU DID, UM, WITH ALL THIS MONEY, WOULDN'T YOU CUT MY ON THE MICRO END OF THE LEAD MANAGEMENT BECAUSE THE MACRO IS GOING TO BE DOING THEM MICROBE LOAD MANAGING ISN'T IT.

IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE AND, OR ADDITIONAL GENERATION, I'D SUGGEST WE CONTINUE TO USE OUR OTHER LOAD MANAGEMENT DEVICES AND CONTINUE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COST AVOIDANCE AND DOUBLE DIP, SO TO SPEAK.

SO CHARLIE, SO WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING HERE TONIGHT IS THIS YOU'RE ASKING FOR THIS ONE SUBSTATION, WHICH WILL BE GENERATED A GENERATOR, CORRECT.

HELPED ME OUT HERE.

IT'S NOT A GENERATOR, JUST IT'S A SUBSTATION CONNECTED TO DUKE, WHICH IS ELECTRIC SUBSTATION, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND WE'LL DELIVER POWER DISTRIBUTE POWER FROM THAT BEFORE.

OKAY.

AND, AND THIS IS GOING TO COST HIM A MILLION DOLLARS.

YES MA'AM.

AND AM I CORRECT, BUT DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN WE WAS TALKING ABOUT OUR CAPITAL INVESTMENT PLAN? YES MA'AM.

OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I KNOW.

AND YOU WENT SO FAR AS YOU CREATED A PROJECT BOND TO HELP ME GET STARTED AND YOU PUT $500,000 IN THAT.

AND I'VE BEEN WORKING ON LAND ACQUISITION AND PROCURING ENGINEERING SERVICES TO GET TO GET STARTED ON THAT.

SO I AM MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, UM, UM, I'LL COME BACK AND I'LL RECOMMEND AN ENGINEER THAT WE HIRE AND I'LL BE RECOMMENDING, UM, PROPERTY TO PURCHASE.

AND SO WE'LL HAVE SOME EXPENDITURES THERE.

AND ONCE WE GET THAT RESOLVED, IT WILL BE, I'LL BE ASKING FOR FUNDING EITHER DEBT SERVICE, OR IF WE GET LUCKY AND THEY FIND A GRANT OF THE BEST FIT FOR THE REST OF THE $10 MILLION GRANT FUNDING, WE ARE WORKING ON GRANTS.

I'M NOT REAL HOPEFUL, BUT, UM, WE'RE NOT GIVING UP, UM, AT THE TIMING, UM, IT COMES DOWN TO TIMING.

IT COMES DOWN TO BUYING FOR THE GRANT THEY'RE HIGHLY COMPETITIVE, BUT W W JUST A ESTIMATE OF WHAT TYPE OF GRANT FUNDING, WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT THAT

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WE'RE ASKING FOR THE TOTAL $10 MILLION.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

I MISSPOKE.

IT'S $6 MILLION.

WE'RE ASKING FOR IT.

SURE.

GO AHEAD.

UM, I HAD A QUESTION FOR EITHER YOU OR KIM, OUR REVENUE BOND DEBT SERVICE FOR AMI.

WHEN IS THAT GOING TO BE SATISFIED ON WHAT IS THE ANNUAL PAYMENT? ANY IDEAS? OKAY.

BECAUSE TO ME, I'LL JUMP AHEAD REAL QUICK AND MAKE A STATEMENT TO ME.

THIS ARP MONEY HAS SORT OF BEEN A GIFT.

WE CAN DEBATE WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HAVE GOT IT OR WHERE IT CAME FROM.

AND ALL THAT POINT IS, IS WE HAVE IT TO SPEND TO ME, I THINK ENTERPRISE FUNDS SHOULD BE SPENT OUT OF ENTERPRISE AND IT SHOULDN'T BE SEPARATED.

YOU CAN RAISE YOUR RATES ON YOUR ELECTRIC AND THE ORDER OF YOUR SEWER TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS OR, OR MAKING YOUR GRID BIGGER OR BETTER.

TO ME, HIS ARP MONEY, I THINK, SHOULD BE SPENT IN GENERAL FUND ACTIVITIES GOES, YOU DON'T GET MONEY GIVEN TO YOU IN THIS TYPE SITUATION REALLY EVER.

SO FOR NOT DISCOUNTING YOU OR ANY OTHER UTILITIES, UH, JORDAN GOT A SEPARATE FUND.

IT SOUNDED LIKE HE COULD PULL FROM, BUT TO ME, I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT IS CERTAINLY WORTH IT.

I THINK THE BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT SEVERAL, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT DEBT SERVICE IS AND WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE SATISFIED, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THEM A PRETTY BIG CHUNK FOR AMI.

I LOOKED AT IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

I THINK IT WAS 20, 23, BUT, UH, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK, WHICH YOU SAID IT WOULD TAKE TWO YEARS FOR THIS TO BE ONLINE ANYWAY.

AND WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY FINANCE THIS.

I THINK THAT UTILITIES ARE IN GOOD POSITION TO FINANCES TAKE ON DEBT SERVICE IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT YOU OKAY.

WELL, NO, I AGREE WITH YOU, JEFF.

I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DEFINITELY, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ASKED FOR NOW FOR LONG ENOUGH, CHARLIE'S OUR EXPERT.

CHARLIE IS RECOMMENDING IT.

CHARLIE'S BASICALLY WARNING US WITHOUT GIVING US A VERBAL WARNING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME PROBLEMS. I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE AT 120 MEGABYTES AND WE'RE ALREADY AT NIGHT DURING A STORM, WE'RE AT 95.

I DON'T KNOW HOW , WHATEVER IT IS MEGA LOT.

SO I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SUDDENLY THE BAY THAT MIGHT BE IS THAT WHERE MEGABYTES COME HERE, BUT ANYWAY, WE NEED TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.

AND I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THIS BOARD TO LET'S THIS NOT KICK, THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD, THE SONG WHERE IT'S TWO YEARS OUT IF WE WERE STARTING TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO SAY ONE MORE THING.

UM, CHARLIE AND HIS CREW ARE ALREADY LOOKING IN THE FUTURE.

I LIVE INTO BURN AND TO BURN IT IS FED.

I THINK OF THE NEWBURN FEEDER, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THE CUTOFF FOR THE LEWIS FARM, PETER'S ABOUT THURMAN ROAD.

AND WHEN YOU GUYS LOSE OUR NEWBURN FEEDER, WE'RE OUT POWER OVER THERE.

SO CHARLIE HAS BUILT A LINE IN, SO HE CAN BACK FEED US THROUGH THE LEWIS' FARM FEEDER.

IF THAT HAPPENS AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

SO HE'S ALREADY WORKING ON THIS REDUNDANCY THING AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR CHARLIE.

I TRUST YOU, WHATEVER YOU RECOMMEND, YOU'RE THE EXPERT, AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M NOT, I'M A MEGAWATT VERSUS A MEGABYTE TYPE PERSON.

SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE THIS PROJECT DOWN THE ROAD AND WE NEED TO GET RUBIN ON IT RIGHT AWAY.

SURELY ONE THING IF RATES STAYED, STABILIZED AS FAR AS WHOLESALE RATE PURCHASES, UM, I HAD HOPED THAT WHEN THE DEBTS PAID OFF IN 2025, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PASS THE SAVINGS ALONG.

BUT OBVIOUSLY I DON'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT THE ANNUAL DEBT IS THAT STRANDED COST PAY OUT OR A BUYOUT.

BUT I WOULD ASSUME OBVIOUSLY THAT ABOUT THE TIME THIS STUFF COMES ONLINE, WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH TIME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHEN THE DEBT IS PAID OFF.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S ABOUT $3 MILLION A YEAR THAT COMES UP AND IS THE PAY IS WHAT WE PAY 3 MILLION.

AND SO IF YOU'RE TALKING TO ME IN THE ANNUAL DENTAL NOW, UH, WHATEVER 10 YEAR, 20 YEAR, 15 YEARS WOULD BE NOTHING.

NOTHING.

YEAH.

I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON IT.

YEP.

YEAH.

LIKE THAT.

CAN WE DO IT, GIVE HIM THE DIRECTIONS TONIGHT OR MIND? WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

I DON'T KNOW.

CAN I MAKE EMOTIONAL EVENTS OR DO I JUST GIVE DIRECTIONS? OKAY.

YEAH.

WELL, HE'S ALREADY GOT HIS PROJECT FUND.

HE'S ALREADY WORKING.

I THINK I HAVE A DIRECTION I NEED, I'LL BE COMING BACK WITH OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM LIVING FORWARD WITH THIS EXPEDITED.

YES, SIR.

WELL, WHAT'S YOUR NEW INFORMATION YOU'RE HERE AND THEN I'LL.

YEAH, I'M GOOD.

WELL, CHARLIE, I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING.

THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF

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DON'T GO NOWHERE.

CAUSE IF YOU DID, DON'T LEAVE US.

OKAY.

I, WE JUST GOT TO LET OUR EMPLOYEES KNOW HOW VALUABLE THEY ARE TO US.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK, THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.

YEAH.

AND I ADDED THAT.

I'VE TOLD YOU THIS ONCE, BUT I'LL ADD TO IT, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO, THE ICE STORM THAT WE HAD THE OTHER NIGHT WOULD HAVE DEVASTATED OUR POWER SYSTEM.

YEAH.

AND FOR GOD'S SAKES, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE TREE TRIMMING AND THE NEW LINES THAT YOU'RE INSTALLING AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU DO TO GET THE MEGABYTES, I I'M JUST GETTING MEGAWATT.

SEE, YOU'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB.

AND, UM, YOU AND YOUR CREW DESERVES ALL KINDS OF KUDOS FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

THAT MEANS A LOT.

GEORGE CHARLES IS GONNA COME NEXT AND PRESENT SOME STORM WATER RELATED ISSUES.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY SNOWBOARDERS BOBBY OR WHATEVER.

WHERE ARE YOU BEING EVENING BOARD? UM, W WHAT, WHAT WE'VE INCLUDED ON THIS LIST IS, IS KNOWN DRAINAGE FEATURES THAT NEED WORK.

SO THESE, THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BEFORE.

I'M SURE WE'VE DISCUSSED THEM BEFORE.

YOU'RE INDIVIDUALLY WITH MYSELF AND, AND, AND YOU INDIVIDUALLY, UM, THE RED ROBIN TRAIN ROAD, DITCH AND BANK STABILIZATION AND DRIVEWAY COLBERT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED DURING OUR WE'RE ALL AWARE OF IT, BUT IT WAS IDENTIFIED MORE WHEN THE CONSULTANTS DID THE FEMA ASSESSMENTS, BUT IT DID NOT FALL UNDER THE FEMA IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS, THIS PROJECT CURRENTLY DESIGNED PERMITTED, AND WE HAD THE BID DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE TO PUT IT OUT.

WE JUST GET FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT.

UM, THE RACETRACK ROAD, CULVERT REPLACEMENT, THAT'S ANOTHER PIPE, IT'S A SINGLE 36 INCH PIPE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WAS IDENTIFIED IN A DRAINAGE STUDY THAT NEEDS TO BE UP-SIZED TO 2 36 IS WE HAVE THAT DESIGN.

WE HAVE THE BID DOCUMENTS IS NOT BEEN PERMITTED YET.

BOY, IT, A FUNDING SOURCE WITH WHERE OUR RESTAURANT IT'S RIGHT IN THE LIFT STATION.

UM, IT RUNS ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THE SEWER EASEMENT THAT COMES FROM THE DERBY PARKSIDE RUNNING NON-DRUG AND THERE'S A DITCH ON THE OTHER SIDE.

CAN WE SEE RUNNING ALONG? SO, UH, WE HAVE A ADDITIONAL BANK STABILIZATION ON TRENT ROAD HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED.

UM, THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN CULVERT REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS ON THE BACKSIDE OF DERBY PARK THAT IS UNDERNEATH NORTH AND SOUTHERN RAILROAD TRACK IS IDENTIFIED IN A DRAINAGE STUDY PREVIOUSLY, THAT NEEDS TO BE UP-SIZED.

AND WE'VE BEEN IN CURRENT CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, BUT FUNDING WILL, WILL, WILL BE NEEDED TO MAKE THAT PRETTY MUCH FOR CREDIT 40 EXPANSION.

UM, IT'S NEEDED AS MUCH FOR THE DERBY PARK SUBDIVISION AS IT IS FOR IRR.

WHEN YOU WORK IN, STAY ABOUT PUTTING ANOTHER CULVERT, EVEN THOUGH WE SHOULD HAVE PLANNED THIS BEFORE 43, WHAT YOU'RE NOT STUDYING ABOUT PUTTING ANOTHER CULVERT UNDER 143, I BELIEVE THAT'S GOT TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF WEST NEWBURN.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE ON THAT DRAINAGE SIDE OF THAT.

WHEN THEY REACHED THERE, THEIR DENSITY LEVELS THAT ARE REQUIRED, THEY WOULD GET THE DRAINAGE OFF SITE.

AND I'M GOING TO BOOKS ABOUT THE FORTIES RECONNECT OR NOT AT THIS TIME.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THIS AND THIS WAS SOLELY DEPENDENT AT THE TIME ON THE DERBY PARK FACE, UH, NICK NEATNESS, ADDITIONAL CULVER.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE EAST RACE COLVER, WHICH IS WHERE THESE ROADS, UH, LIFT STATION DISCHARGES THERE TO, UM, FLOODGATES THERE THAT NEED TO BE IMPROVED.

WE'VE GOT CURRENT CORRUGATED METAL PIPES THAT GO UNDER THE ROAD THAT ARE ERODING THAT NEED TO BE UPGRADED.

UM, AND ALL OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE'VE LISTED, INCLUDING, UH, THE DRAINAGE STUDY THAT Y'ALL HAD REQUESTED FROM NORTH HILLS IS INCLUDED IN THIS LIST.

WE DO HAVE A PROPOSAL CURRENTLY FOR THAT.

UM, JUST NEED A FUNDING SOURCE, HANCOCK STREET, CULVERT REPLACEMENT.

THIS IS IN THE 400 BLOCK OF HANCOCK STREET.

WE HAVE SOME UNREINFORCED CONCRETE PIPE ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND MAKES REPLACING THAT SECTION OF PIPE COSTLY.

AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ROW STREET RIGHT NOW.

YOU'VE GOT A TEMPORARY PUMP OUT THERE.

OH, THAT WAS COMPLETED.

AND THERE'S THAT NOTION WITH THE NEXT PHASES OF THE DUFFIELD, UM, STORMWATER AND PRETTY MUCH THERE'S GOING TO BE ACTUALLY FORCE ME TO PUT IN FOR THAT, FOR THAT LINE.

SO YOU GOT TWO MORE PHASES OF THAT.

DEFINITELY FEEL STRONG.

LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON NOW WITH THAT EASE ROADS.

PROVO, IS THAT THE ONE YOU TALK ABOUT THE TWO BIG TYPES THEY'RE RIGHT AT THE END OF THE, YES.

MA'AM, IT COMES RIGHT UP TO THE, TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS BECAUSE UNDERNEATH THE ROAD, RIGHT BY

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THE CEMETERY, THOSE TWO ARE THE ONES WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT HERE IN THIS LIST.

AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THOSE BIG, THOSE COFFERS.

YES.

MA'AM AND PUTTING A NEW FLOOD GATES ON THE INSET THAT WE THINK WILL FUNCTION BETTER DURING NORMAL RAIN EVENTS AND HURRICANE EVENTS.

AND THESE, THIS IS JUST ONE LIST.

UM, WE COULD USE THE ENTIRE $6 MILLION ON CORRECTIVE DRAINAGE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO ADD AND DO THINGS.

BUT THESE WERE THE TOP ITEMS THAT WE KNOW IF WE DID TOMORROW, YOU WOULD SEE A DIRECT BENEFIT WHEN COMPLETION, THESE ARE NOT ALL TIED DIRECTLY TO HURRICANE DRAINAGE.

THESE ARE TIMES WHO PRIMARILY DAY TO DAY DRAINAGE.

SO WHEN WE HAD THESE 25 YEAR RAIN EVENTS, WE GET FIVE, SIX INCHES ON THE GROUND.

THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WILL MAKE OUR DRAINAGE WORK BETTER, AND THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE DONE AT SOME POINT, OR WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SUFFER SLOW DRAINAGE IN CERTAIN AREAS.

SO NOW LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION PLEASE, ABOUT THE, UM, THE DRAIN STUDY FOR NORTH HILLS IS THAT THAT STUDY, IS THAT GOING TO BE DONE BY THE SAME, UM, COMPANIES, WEATHERS AND RAVIN THAT STUDY, ACTUALLY, WE RECEIVED A PROPOSAL FROM A DRAPER AGENT.

THEY HAD DONE SOME ADDITIONAL WORK AND HAVE ALL OF THE DRAINAGE DATA BECAUSE THEY DID THE PRELIMINARY DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS OF ALL THE MAJOR DRAINAGE BASEMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.

SO THEY HAD A LOT OF THE DATA ALREADY GO ALONG WITH THAT PROPOSAL.

SO W WHAT TYPE OF PROPO, WHAT TYPE OF DRAIN IS SYSTEM, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT PUTTING IN THERE? HAVE Y'ALL GOTTEN TO THAT YET? THE POINT THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS JUST TO GIVE US A FEASIBILITY STUDY OF WHAT WE CAN DO.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY CONSTRUCTION COSTS TO IMPLEMENT WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

NOW, I THOUGHT WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE TALK MORE, A LOT IN DETAIL THAT OUR FIRST, UM, ARP WORKSHOP ABOUT, UM, LOW IN THE WATER FEAR ABOUT ONE FOOT.

AND I DIDN'T, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? WOULD THAT, THAT IS THAT, THAT IS THE DIRECTION WE GAVE VERY BRAVE.

AND WHEN THEY GIVE US A PROPOSAL, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT, HOW TO LOWER THE WATER TABLE, WATER LEVEL IN THE CANAL, ALONG NORTH HILLS, UM, WHETHER THAT BE THROUGH A DIFFERENT CULVERTS OR PUMP SYSTEMS. UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'D HAVE TO WAIT ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDY TO BE COMPLETED, TO LET US KNOW WHAT DIRECTION WE NEED TO HIT.

OKAY.

BECAUSE HE DOES WHAT I WAS WAS, WAS THINKING MORE DOWN THE LINE THAT WHY CAN'T YOU GO WITH THE SAME PLAN THAT YOU HAVE OVER THERE, THE SAME PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE OVER ON THE BIDDLE STREET SIDE PAWN SIDE, OVER ON THIS NORTH HILL SIDE.

AND THAT MAY BE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH.

THAT THAT MAY BE, AND I HATE TO SPECULATE WHAT THE STUDY WOULD SHOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THAT SECTION OF TOWN WITH ELEVATION AND WATER TABLE.

SO ALL THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT PRIOR TO GIVING US RECOMMENDATIONS.

LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE ALL KNOWN ITEMS. UM, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED, I'M SURE MEETING MEANS.

EVERYBODY'S SAYING THAT THERE'S DRAINAGE DRAINAGE NEEDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS ARE THE ONES THAT WE, WE KNOW OUR IMMEDIATE REWARD.

SO, AND WE HAVE LOTS OF THESE ALREADY DESIGNED.

WE JUST NEED A FUNDING SOURCE.

UM, YEAH, GEORGE, I WAS, UM, I'M ALL FOR THIS.

THE BOARD WANTS TO VOTE ON IT.

I'LL GO TO SUPPORT EVERY PROJECT ON THIS PAGE RIGHT NOW, MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE IS JORDAN DURING HIS PRESENTATION, HE TALKED ABOUT THE LOCAL ASSISTANCE FOR STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, INVESTMENT FUNDS.

WOULD THESE PROJECTS QUALIFY FOR THAT? I THINK ONCE WE GET THE CRITERIA IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO FROM A MISTAKE, SOME OF THESE MEN THAT THERE WAS SOME, SOME ENGINEERING MONEY AVAILABLE, THERE WAS SOME DESIGN MONEY AVAILABLE, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY TO FUND SOME OF THOSE THROUGH THE GRANTS.

IF WE SEE ONE THAT REALLY FITS THEIR CRITERIA, WE THINK WILL SCORE HIGH.

WE'LL CERTAINLY GO THAT DIRECTION.

IS THERE A WAY, CAUSE I KNOW WITH FEMA, YOU CAN'T SPEND MONEY UNTIL IT'S AUTHORIZED AND APPROVED AND THERE'S ALL THAT HEADACHE.

IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN USE OUR ARP FUNDS RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE TO DO THESE PROJECTS AND THEN APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS? AND IF WE GET THEM, WE CAN REPLACE THAT REVENUE OR EXPENDITURE I'LL LET HIM ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

YES, THERE IS.

I CAN DO THAT.

UM, IT WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF SHIFTING IT.

WE WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY, UM, WHEN WE DO THE REPORT, WE WOULDN'T INCLUDE THAT AND MOVE REPORT AT THAT TIME UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE.

THAT'S WHAT WE, OF SPENDING ON.

YEAH.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

GREAT.

LET'S SEE.

THAT'S WHAT THE GENTLEMAN THAT OUR FIRST WORKSHOP SAID TO US THAT WE NEED TO HAVE PROJECTS, CITY PROJECTS THAT WE CAN TAP IN WITH STATE GRANT MONIES.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M LOOKING AT.

I'M BEING, IT WAS LIKE $800 MILLION THAT THERE WAS, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT OFFERING FOR WATER

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AND SEWER.

SO, UM, I HOPE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET SOME OF THESE GRANT MONEY AND WE CERTAINLY, AND THIS LIST IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF EVERY DRAINAGE, RIGHT? IF WE SEE THE CRITERIA COME OUT AND THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT WE FEEL FITS AT FITS THAT CRITERIA, CERTAINLY WE'LL GO GO AFTER THAT ONE.

EVEN IF IT'S ON A SMALLER SCALE, THESE WERE JUST LARGER KNOWN PROJECTS.

SOME, SOME IDENTIFIED A DRAINAGE STUDIES, SOME ALREADY DESIGNED AND READY TO BE BID OUT.

AND I WANTED TO HAVE SOME THAT, THAT WE COULD, WE COULD TURN OVER RAPIDLY.

UM, IF IT WAS FUNDED.

YEAH.

UM, GEORGE ON THE DRAINAGE STUDY FOR NORTH HILLS, UM, ISN'T THAT ALREADY BUDGETED AND YOU'RE WAITING TO SEND THAT OUT OR, I MEAN, CAUSE YOU'VE DONE ALL THIS WORK ON IT AND WE HAVE THE PROPOSAL READY.

WE JUST DID NOT HAVE FUN.

HE DID DO THE PROVIDERS.

OKAY.

CAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD ALREADY BUDGETED THAT.

SO EVERYTHING WE SEE IN FRONT OF US, NONE OF IT IS CURRENTLY OR ANY PART OF IT IS CURRENTLY IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET.

CORRECT.

AND, AND, AND NONE OF THAT CAN BE ABSORBED IN OUR CURRENT ANNUAL BUDGET.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

WELL, THESE ARE ALL VERY FRIGHTENED.

UM, GEORGIA IS NOT A LOT.

I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO ANY ONE PERSON IN PARTICULAR, BUT I'VE BEEN, THIS IS MY 16TH YEAR ON BOARD.

AND I THINK ABOUT 13 OF THOSE YEARS, THESE PUMPS HAVE BEEN ON, I HAVE PHYSICALLY NEVER.

AND I'M CHECKING THESE THINGS GOING ON, EVER SEEN PUMP ON THERE AT ROW STREET.

I'VE NEVER SEEN IT.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY EVIDENCE, NO MANIFESTATION OF A SURGE OF TRASH OR WHATEVER, BEING PUMPED OUT.

UM, AND, AND I BACK THAT UP, BUT PHOTOGRAPHING HIS PHONE RIGHT HERE A WEEK BEFORE THE LAST RAIN EVENT THAT THE COHORT IS THREE-QUARTERS FULL OF WATER.

RIGHT.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON BATS AND SOME CONCERNS AND, AND LEAPS OFF MY BILL ON HARRIS.

AND, UM, UH, I STILL JUST, UH, I JUST PERPLEXED ABOUT THE WHOLE PUMP STATION AND UH, I CERTAINLY HOPE IT, IT ALMOST SEEMS TO ME LIKE MAYBE THAT ORDER INSTEAD OF COMING OUT OF WAR, DRIVE STRAIGHT PUMPING AND GOING OUT THE TWO, THE TWO PUMPS WE HAVE ON SEVENTH STREET EXTENSION, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT WATER HAS TO GO TO REVERSE AND GO BACK DOWN UNDER A RAILROAD TRESTLE AND PUMP OUT AT SIMMONS STREET.

I DON'T KNOW.

I'VE NEVER SEEN, OH, WELL ROCK RIGHT NOW.

AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT THIS PROJECT IN HERE, THOSE FLOOD GATES THAT DICTATES A LOT OF, OF OUR ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE PUMPS THERE.

UM, AND SO WHEN WE GET THE FLOOD GATES OPERATIONAL, IF THIS IS FUN AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE BENEFIT OF THESE FLOOD GATES, THE FLOOD GATES ON THE OUTSIDES OF THE PIPES AT EAST ROSE YEAH, YEAH.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE ONES THAT YOU SHOWED ME.

RIGHT.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE SAME ONES THAT THE SEALS WERE.

YES.

YEP.

SO ARE THESE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE TOP, MOST IMPACTFUL PROJECTS THAT ARE READY NOW? YES.

THAT, THAT THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WENT OVER.

WE THOUGHT WE'D HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT.

IF, IF SEVERAL WERE FUNDED, WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.

YES.

I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, GEORGE, HERE'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED IT IN LINK ED.

OUR FIRST ERP WORKSHOP, UM, IS TO, WITH THIS PILE OF MONEY, JUST FALLEN OUT OF THE SKY IN OUR HANDS.

I MEAN, WE NEED TO REALLY GET SOME OF THIS GRANT MONEY.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO JUST USE THE NORTH HILLS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE NOW, FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, BECAUSE I THINK THE BUILDER STREET POND IS GOING TO ELIMINATE SOME PROBLEMS WITH WATER OVER ON THAT SIDE.

YES MA'AM.

SO WE GOT TWO SIDES OF THE CITY OVER THERE.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THE NORTH HILLS SIDE WHILE I HAVE A, I'M WANTING SOME PUMPS PUT IN OVER THERE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, AND I KNOW YOU GOT TO GO, YOU'RE SAYING, TELLING ME YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH A STUDY.

ALL RIGHT.

W WE DO NEED SOME KIND OF FEASIBILITY STUDY DONE TO, I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO INVEST IN AN INFRASTRUCTURE SURE.

THAT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF WHAT SOCIAL ISSUES AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

UM, YEAH.

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO DISCHARGE THE WATER, HOW WE TRAIN, HOW WE GET IT, UM, UNDER, OVER AROUND THE RAILROAD TRACKS, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PLAYERS, UM, AND, AND TRYING TO DISCHARGE THAT WATER, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WOULD, WOULD GIVE US DIRECTION ON WHERE WE NEEDED TO GO.

UM, MY, MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT, THAT ONE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH, BUT THAT WAS WHY I PRESENTED THE ONES THAT ALREADY DESIGNED.

I HATE THAT WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UTILIZE THIS MONEY FOR DESIGNS, FEASIBILITY STUDIES, AND THEN HAVING THAT FUNDING AT THE END.

SO SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE READY

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TO TURN THE KEY RIGHT NOW, PUTTING, JUST GETTING FUNNY.

SO IF YOU HAD TO PRIORITIZE THESE PROJECTS RIGHT HERE FOR THIS $2 MILLION FOR DRAINAGE, DO YOU HAVE M AND A CATEGORY RIGHT NOW THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITIZENS THAT LIVE WITHIN THESE AREAS? I'M SORRY TO ASK YOU THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU PRIORITIZE THESE? YOU GOT $2 MILLION HERE T TO ME, AS AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY, I, AS AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S DRAINAGE, TO ME, THEY'RE ALL POWERED.

OKAY.

THEY ARE, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ASK PRIORITY OR YOU'RE PRIORITIZING AND AREA, BUT IN THE DRAINAGE GAME, IT'S THE IMPACT OF THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT.

AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL GOOD PROJECTS.

I, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE AND I CONCUR WITH YOU, BUT I HAVE TO SAY THIS MUCH, SOME OF THESE AREAS, HAVE THEY BEEN EXPERIENCED IN THE FLOODING ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RUNNING, AND I'M GOING TO USE IT DOESN'T FEEL HAVE, THESE ARE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS JUST COME ABOUT WITHIN THE LAST FIVE, 10 YEARS, IF NOT EVEN THAT MOST OF THESE HAVE HAD DRAINAGE DIFFICULTY OVER THE YEARS.

UM, UH, THE ONE ON RED ROBIN, THE BANK STABILIZATION THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN.

WE HAVE A SEWER LIFT STATION THERE, BUT THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE COVERT UPSTREAM, WHICH HAS SET ON REVERSE GRADE, WHICH AGAIN IS EIGHT INCHES OF FALL.

UM, IN THAT, DURING THE SYSTEM THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FOOD TO THE OLD FOOD LINE, WENT OUT TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY.

SO, YOU KNOW, INCREMENTAL GAINS IN THESE AREAS MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL WORTHY PROJECTS.

I HAVE A QUESTION, MS. KIM, JUST TO REITERATE, UM, SO WE CAN APPROVE THIS, SPEND THE 2 MILLION AND THEN APPLY FOR A GRANT AND GET THE MONEY BACK FOR ALREADY SPENDING IT.

SO IF WE APPLY THESE PROJECTS TOWARDS THE, UM, ART FUNDS AND THEN LATER RECEIVED GRANT FUNDS TO DO THOSE PROJECTS, UM, WELL, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU ALREADY HAD THE PROJECT DONE AND THEN APPLY FOR THE GRANT FUNDS LATER, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

SO YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF THE TIMING OF THAT, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING GOING, UM, IN PLACE, AND LET'S SAY THAT WAS THE PLAN TO DO THIS UNDER THE, OUR FUNDS, WE MAY START IT.

AND THEN YOU GET FUNDING GRANT FUNDING FOR THE, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT.

THEN YOU CAN, WE CAN DO SOME OF THAT SHIFTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE APPLY THOSE SPECIFIC EXPENDITURES FOR THAT GRANT PERIOD TOWARDS THE GRANT, AND THEN ALLOW THOSE OTHER EXPENDITURES THAT FELL OUTSIDE OF RENT PERIOD AND INTO THE, AND WHEN APPLYING FOR THE GRANT, DO YOU PUT IN THERE THAT SOME OF THE PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN FUNDED THROUGH THE ART FUNDS? UM, I CAN'T SPEAK OF HOW THEY APPLY FOR THE GRANTS, BUT TYPICALLY IF THERE'S A MATCH, UM, AND THE, THESE FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR SOME MATCH AS WELL.

AND THEN, UM, YEAH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

THANK YOU.

OH, RENATA.

I THINK JORDAN'S ANXIOUS TO SAY SOMETHING.

SO I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE USING A LOT OF TERMS AND TALKING A LOT OF DIFFERENT GRANTORS.

WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT QUESTION TO ANSWER.

IF, IF YOU'RE THINKING OF DESIGNATING SOME CITY ERP MONEY FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, AND THEN GOING AFTER SOME OF THAT STATE INFRASTRUCTURE ARP MONEY, AND THESE PROJECTS ARE IN THE WORKS OR DOING CONSTRUCTION, AND YOU WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO BE AWARDED THE STATE ARP MONEY.

THOSE PROJECT HAD TO BE IDENTIFIED APPROVED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION.

SO YOU CAN YOU SEND THEM, THIS IS THE PROJECT WE WANT TO DO.

THEY APPROVE THE GRANT ALL THAT BEFORE, AND THEY DETERMINE WHAT KIND OF PRE-CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES MAY BE TO BE TAKEN AS FAR AS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OR WHATEVER, BEFORE YOU DO THE PROJECT.

SO THOSE PROJECTS WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF BE IDENTIFIED AND GOING THAT ROUTE.

AND IF THEY GET SELECTED GREAT, BUT IF THE PROJECT IS ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION AND YOU'RE ALREADY FUNDING IT WITH YOUR OWN MONEY, YOU'RE NOT THERE.

THAT'S NOT ONE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE TO SUBMIT THROUGH THOSE FOR THE STATE AR SO TWO THINGS.

SO WE COULD, SINCE THERE'S A COUPLE OF YEARS ACTUALLY SPEND ALL THIS MONEY, WE COULD SAY, THEORETICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO SET ASIDE $2 MILLION FOR THESE PROJECTS.

YOU CAN GO APPLY FOR IT.

IF YOU GET THEM, THEN WE'LL STILL HAVE THAT $2 MILLION SET ASIDE THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH, RIGHT.

AS LONG AS WE DON'T START THE PROJECT.

AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS COULDN'T YOU GO BORROW MONEY FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT AND THEN REIMBURSE YOURSELF.

IF WE NEED TO BUY SOME MORE TIME, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PAY DEBT BACK.

YOU STUCK, ALL YOU DO IS JUST TAKE THAT POT OF MONEY OVER HERE, AND YOU PAID SALARIES

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WITH IT AND YOU'D TAKE THE OTHER MONEY AND YOU PAY SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT? YEAH.

THE FINANCING IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? REVENUE CATEGORY, THAT'S WHERE IT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR YOU TO JUST DO THAT SHIFTING.

SO IT'S YES AND NO, YOU CAN'T PAY DOWN DEBT.

SO WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THE GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE STORMWATER PROJECTS? IF THE APPLICATION FINALIZED WITH APPLICATIONS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE, UH, EARLY SUMMER, UH, AND THEY'RE ANTICIPATING TAKING APPLICATIONS THROUGH LATE SUMMER AND MAKING AWARDS THIS FALL.

SO THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD.

AND I WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE.

SO BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, I THINK HE WOULD KNOW DAY OR DAY, WHETHER YOU ARE SELECTED FOR THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE ARP.

OKAY.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IMMEDIATELY AND NOT PUT FUNDS ASIDE AND HOLD ON AND WAIT, WHEN YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF IT, RIGHT? CAUSE THIS IS WHAT HE SAID.

HE SAID, WE CAN TALK INTO OUR OWN MONEY FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, AND THEN WE GOT THESE PROJECTS AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND APPLY FOR THE STATE MONEY THROUGH THE GRANTS.

THEY DID THAT.

OKAY.

WHATEVER.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, UH, GEORGE, I KNOW A WHILE BACK, WE, UM, ASKED TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON ALL OF THE ROADS THAT NEED TO BE PAVED.

UM, DID YOU EVER GET THAT INFORMATION TO US ON ALL OF THE ROADS THAT NEED TO BE PAID, WHERE YOU HAVE, WHERE WE WERE, THE BOARD HAD ASKED FOR A COST ANALYSIS ON HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS 2 MILLION? CAUSE I SEE WHERE IT SAYS ADDITIONAL NEEDS, PAVING, SIDEWALK, AND STORM WATER.

THE $2 MILLION ONLY COVERS THE PROJECTS LISTED ON THAT.

OF COURSE YOU CAN ENTERTAIN DOING ADDITIONAL PAVING, SIDEWALKS IF YOU'D LIKE.

UM, BUT THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN.

OKAY.

DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU BE GETTING THAT INFORMATION TO US NOW, NOW WE CAN WORK YOU ON ALL OF THE UNIMPROVED RIGHT AWAY.

RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THEY ASKED.

YEP.

I THOUGHT IT WAS THE UNPAID, IT WAS THE UNPAVED ROADS BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GET ONE RULE FROM BERLIN IMPROVED IT'S UNDER, WELL, IT WAS UNDER THAT ONE.

IT'S BEEN APPROVED UNDEVELOPED RIGHT AWAY.

RIGHT.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS IN MAYBE BEING OCCUPIED AS A DRIVEWAY OR IT'S JUST NOT PAY THE PAVING THAT WE DISCUSSED IN REGARDS TO BOOK.

WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET THAT STREET, THE UNIMPROVED STREET, THE BOARD COUNTERED, AND SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO GET A COST ANALYSIS ON ALL OF THE IMPROVED.

I BELIEVE I HAVE THAT NUMBER NINE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO, UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION WITH THIS DRAINAGE STUDY FOR NORTHFIELD? WHAT TIME PERIOD ARE YOU LOOKING AT? JUST AN ESTIMATE OF GETTING THAT DONE? UM, YEAH, I WOULD SAY 90 TO 120 DAYS LEFT TURNED AROUND AND MAYBE FASTER THAN THAT AND JUST DEPEND ON THEIR STAFF.

OKAY.

GET THAT DOOR.

YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS WORKSHOP? YES, SIR.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE JORDAN COME UP AND TALK ABOUT SOME, UH, WATER SEWER PROJECTS AS WELL.

AND THEN THAT SHOULD WRAP IT UP TO ROUND THINGS OUT AND MAY REMEMBER.

WELL, I WON'T TAKE LONG TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THESE, UM, EARLY ON WITH THE ARP FUNDING, THE CRITERIA FOR HOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEND THE CA ARP MONEY WAS VERY THERE.

IT LOOKED LIKE WATER, WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE WAS GOING TO BE SOME OF OUR BEST WAYS TO SPEND THAT MONEY.

NOW, AS YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THAT YOUR OPPORTUNITIES ABROAD IN QUITE A BIT.

SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE HAD PUT TOGETHER PREVIOUSLY WITH JUST A LIST OF CURRENTLY PLANNED, BUT UNFUNDED ORDERED WASTEWATER PROJECTS THAT WOULD ALL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE ARP MONEY, OR THESE ARE ALL STILL ELIGIBLE FOR THE ARP MONEY.

UM, IF YOU DECIDE, YOU'D LIKE TO FUND ANY OF THE WATER OR WASTEWATER PROJECTS WITH THE $6.7 MILLION OF THE CITY, RFP MONEY, ANY OF THESE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE OR ALL OF THEM WILL BE ELIGIBLE.

UM, A COUPLE OF THESE WOULD ALSO BE PROBABLY DECENT PROJECTS TO APPLY FOR THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE, ARP MONEY.

MOST NOTABLY, THE ONE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE THERE, THE WATER AND SEWER REHABILITATION IN GREATER DEPTH OF FIELD OR OTHER OLDER AREAS OF TOWN.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE TYPE OF WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, REHABILITATING INFRASTRUCTURE AND INCREASE IN RESILIENCY IN OLDER SECTIONS OF THE TOWN ARE PROBABLY ONES THAT ARE GOING TO SCORE HIGHER.

UH, AND PROBABLY ONCE WE SEE THE APPLICATION CRITERIA COME OUT, WE'LL DRAFT A PROJECT AROUND THE REST OF THOSE ARE MORE OR LESS GROWING PAINS AND PROBABLY WOULD NOT SCORE WELL THROUGH ANY OF THE STATE INFRASTRUCTURE, ARP FUNDING.

SO THE REST OF THOSE HAVE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO FUND LOCALLY.

UM, BUT WE PROBABLY WILL PUT AN APPLICATIONS CENTERED AROUND A REHAB TYPE PROJECT, UM, TO TRY TO TRY TO GET OUR HANDS ON SOME, THE STATE ARP INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO BE MORE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THOSE OR ALL

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OF THEM OR NONE OF THEM.

SO YOUR PLAN IS DEFINITELY TO PUT THE WATER AND SEWER REHABILITATION FOR A GREATER DUFFY FIELD AT THE TOP OF THE LIST WHEN YOU'RE APPLYING FOR THOSE FUNDS.

WHEN WE S WHEN WE SEE THE, WHERE THE APPLICATION CRITERIA.

EXACTLY.

I THINK THAT'S KNOWN WHAT THE CRITERIA HAS HISTORICALLY LOOKED LIKE.

I THINK THAT A PROJECT OF THAT NATURE, A REHAB TYPE PROJECT, UM, WE'LL PROBABLY CHECK MORE BOXES AND SCORE HIGHER THAN PUTTING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, NEW AREAS TO KIND OF ALLEVIATE GROWING PAINS.

THEY TYPICALLY WANTED TO SEE A FIX YOUR OLDER STUFF.

UM, IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS, I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO TIE THE IMPROVEMENTS INTO MORE RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND THAT THAT'S LIKELY GOING TO HELP OUR CHANCES TO, BUT WON'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL THAT APPLICATION PACKAGE COMES OUT, JORDAN, IS THERE STILL A LOT OF MID PIPES? NO, NO.

MA'AM WE HAVE VERY FEW LED SERVICES TO OUR KNOWLEDGE.

WE HAVE NONE THAT WE KNOW ABOUT.

WE STUMBLE ACROSS ONE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THAT WE, WE, WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WAS THERE, BUT WE, WE DID AN INVENTORY OF WHAT WE THOUGHT LEAD SERVICE LINES WERE BACK IN THE LATE NINETIES, EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, AND THEN GOING THROUGH AND SYSTEMATICALLY REPLACED THOSE AREAS, NEW ORDER SERVICES.

I'M NOT SAYING THERE AREN'T ANY OUT THERE WHEN WE DO STUMBLE ACROSS ONE FROM TIME TO TIME.

AND WE HAVE A KIND OF A PROCESS.

UH, OUR METER GUYS KNOW WHEN YOU'RE CHANGING OUT METERS, WHAT LOOKED FOR IN THE METER BOX.

IT MAY INDICATE A LEAD SERVICE LINE.

OUR GUYS IN THE STREET DOING REPAIR WORK, KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR.

ANYTIME WE COME ACROSS ONE, THAT'S AN IMMEDIATE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE LIST TO GET THAT COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM THE SYSTEM IN PLACE.

SO WE HAVE A VERY, A VERY LOW AMOUNT OF LED INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN OUR WATER INVENTORY.

THE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO YOU HAVE A WELL-ROUNDED IDEA OF SEVERAL OF THE FREIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY DIRECTION THAT THE MORE LIKELY TO GIVE US THAT YOU'D LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THIS.

YOU CAN COME BACK AT A MEETING, GIVE US DIRECTION, AND WE WILL, STEVE PROBABLY NEEDED FOUR HOURS FOR THIS.

THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST.

UM, I W I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, MY ONE AND ONLY STATEMENT IS INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE IT'S AN INVESTMENT FOR THE FUTURE, NOT FOR TODAY, JUST TODAY.

AND SOME OF THE OTHER NEEDS ARE FOR TODAY, BUT INFRASTRUCTURE.

I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN KICKED AROUND FOR DECADES.

AND I JOINED MY COLLEAGUES, UM, WHO REPRESENT THE CHOICE NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS, UM, IN THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN NEGLECTED, LIKE I SAID, FOREVER.

AND IT'S TIME THAT WE PAY ATTENTION IN SOME OF THESE NEEDS SUCH AS THE EAST ROAD STATION.

AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.

UM, AND I I'VE, YOU KNOW, BUT I HEAR ALDERMAN ODOM TALK ABOUT THAT THE SYSTEMS CAN FUND AND PAY FOR THEM EASIER THAN THE GENERAL FUND CAN PAY FOR IT.

YOU KNOW, I SAY, WE GO AHEAD AND DO THE PROJECTS WE SOLVE FOR 2 MILLION.

MAYBE THAT'LL FREE UP SOME SIDEWALK MONEY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT WE WOULD'VE USED SOMEPLACE ELSE TO GET, BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT THING, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL THAT I HAVE IS GET THE SIDEWALKS, NEVER HAD SIDEWALKS START PUTTING SIDEWALKS IN AND, YOU KNOW, WORRY ABOUT REPAIRS AT A LATER DAY, BUT LET'S AT LEAST GET SOME SIDEWALKS IN FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND THAT'S THE WAY I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT, I BELIEVE TO A MAJORITY OF, OKAY.

IS THERE A MOTION TO END THE WORKSHOP AND GET READY FOR THE REGULAR MEETING? OR DO YOU WANT TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THE FINANCE, UM, AFTER THE BUDGET AND I MEAN, THE AUDIT WELL, OKAY.

YOU'RE SAYING WHEN WE DO THIS IN OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, TALK ABOUT THIS DENTIST.

I'M SAYING THAT THE ALREADY, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION HERE, PARTICULARLY, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE AUDIENCE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THIS MORE IN DETAIL BY THE ARP MONIES IN OUR BUDGET, WORKSHOP, COVERAGE, SPECIAL MONEY TO EXACTLY.

THAT WAS MY POINT.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

WE'RE NOT THERE THEY'RE DONE IN TIME THAT IT GETS STARTED, THAT WE DON'T LOSE FUNDING.

SO YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND, UH, I'M READY TO MAKE ACTION.

QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ONE I AGREE WITH HERE.

NOW I'M A PARENT AT NIGHT, WE GIVE THE CITY MANAGER AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE $2 MILLION INFRASTRUCTURE, THE DRAINAGE PROJECT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S CERTAINLY QUALIFIES AND IT BENEFITS EVERYONE IN NEWBURGH.

YEAH.

I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

IT DOES BENEFIT EVERYONE HERE, A NEW BAR,

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BUT NOT WHEN I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THEM, JUST THE $45,000 FOR PLAYING FOR AREA THAT'S BEING NEGLECTED FOR.

I'VE TALKED TO SOME CITIZENS OVER IN THAT AREA.

THAT'S LIFELONG CITIZENS AND BEEN LIVING OVER THAT AREA.

AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS WATER ISSUE EVERY, SINCE MARTIN MARIETTA LEFT HERE AND NOW, AND YOU KNOW, HOW LONG THAT'S BEEN.

SO, I MEAN 45, 40 $5,000 FOR A PLAN.

I THINK I NEED MORE.

I NEED FOR US TO A LOT MORE FOR THIS, UM, FOR THIS, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WATER.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD FEEL, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR MAIN INTEREST HERE IS FOR OUR CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THOSE AREAS.

AND AS AN ECHO OFF ALL THE BINGO, I KNOW IF I WAS OF THOSE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA, I WOULD BE LIVID AT THIS BOARD, NOT THIS BOARD, EVEN BOARDS BEFORE US, THAT THIS PROBLEM HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED IN A BETTER STATE THAT IS IN RIGHT NOW.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE DUFFIELD GREATER DUFFY AREA.

THAT'S PROBABLY EXPERIENCING WATER IS STORMWATER ISSUES.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A HURRICANE JUST TALKING ABOUT STONEWORK.

SO, I MEAN, WE GOT $6.7 MILLION HERE.

UM, UH, AND WE TO BE A START.

AND THEN ONCE THAT STUDY COMES BACK, I DON'T, AGAIN, HOW LONG WOULD IT HAVE BEEN 90 TO 120 DAYS? OKAY.

SO WHEN THE STUDY COMES BACK, THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT FUNDS ARE NEEDED TO ENACT THE STUDY, WHATEVER THE STUDY RECOMMENDS.

AND I GUESS WE COULD APPROPRIATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS AT THAT POINT.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO KNOCK OUT ANY ELECTRIC OR WATER PROJECTS, BECAUSE THESE ARE BIG PROJECTS.

IT'S JUST CONSUMED THAT LITTLE 6 MILLION, $6.7 MILLION.

AIN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE ELECTRICITY.

HUH? I SAID, IF THE HOUSE IS FLOATING THE WIND AND NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE ELECTRICITY.

EXACTLY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WITH JORDAN'S WATER PROJECTS AND ELECTRIC PROJECTS, UM, THAT WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

UM, BUT RIGHT NOW, LIKE I SAID, WE GOT $6.7 MILLION.

Y'ALL CAN GIVE ME ONE POINT, $1 MILLION FOR DUFFY FIELD AND YOU ALL HAVING DRAINAGE ISSUES OR PROBLEMS. I THOUGHT WE'D JUST SPENT LIKE A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS.

AREN'T WE TAKING SOMETHING AND DUFFY FIELD FOR A FEW MILLION DOLLARS TONIGHT.

TH THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL PHASES COMING UP IN DUFFIELD FOR STORM WATER, RIGHT? YES.

ON A SEPARATE NIGHT, BUT THERE WAS DEALS AREAS NOT INCLUDED IN THOSE STUDIES.

UH, BUT WE'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT HAVING A CONSTRUCTION PRICE OR HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO COST? UM, THE, THE LAST SEVERAL PONDS WE'VE DONE LIKE THIS YOU'RE IN THE SEVEN, $800,000 RANGE.

UM, IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE THAT NUMBER, THAT WAS 2.1 TO THREE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY COVER WHAT WILL BE GEORGE BARBER'S CONCERN, YOU KNOW, MARTIN MARRIOTT, UH, THE, UM, THE COREY RANDY'S CREEK FOR YOU TO CLOSE.

YOU SAW SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE PUMPING A ROW STREET, WHEN YOU GET THE EXTRA TWO PHASES DONE, AND THAT WATER IS TREATED WITH A RETENTION SET PRIMARY AND SECONDARY IT'LL BE TREATED BEFORE IT GETS THERE, WHEN YOU GET THROUGH AND WHEREVER YOU PUMP IT TO, YOU'RE DOING IT AT NEGATIVE TWO FEET, TWO FEET BELOW SEA LEVEL, IS THAT RIGHT? UM, THE BASE DANBURY IS ABOUT TWO FEET.

OKAY.

SO I ASSUME THAT THE IMPELLER AT THE SEMI'S STREET IS PROBABLY LEVEL, IS THAT POSSIBLE ASSUMING STREETS WHERE THEY'RE SET ARE BASED OFF OF THE CURRENT COBRA BECAUSE UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD, AND WHAT WOULD THAT BE? IS THAT, IS THAT ABOUT SEA LEVEL? IS IT, IS IT A NEGATIVE? IS IT AN INVERTED? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PLANS, GIVE YOU THE I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IF THE, IF A ROASTERY RE-UPPING AND RUNNING THE HYDROLOGY OF THE WATER THAT SITTING IN CHEMISTRY AREA, WOULDN'T IT MIGRATE OVER TO THE NEGATIVE AREA? JUST LIKE IT WAS DOING GRAVITATING OVER TO THE ROCK BOARD UNTIL THEY QUIT PUMPING.

IT WOULDN'T THAT HELP SOME, IF THAT WAS UP AND RUNNING, IT MAY.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE HYDROLOGY STUDIES AND THE LINE ON, ON THE PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANTS TO GIVE US SO MANY.

I KNOW THAT I SPEAK, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL THE WOMAN HARRIS AND ALL HER.

I DON'T REMEMBER MATHS AND MYSELF.

WE DON'T WANT TO MICROMANAGE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEM PUMPS ARE RUNNING TO THEIR MAXIMUM GOOD USE AND BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS.

THAT I'M MORE WILLING TO PHYSICALLY GO OUT THERE WITH YOU OR WHOEVER ELSE.

AND WATCH THOSE THINGS GET PUMPED DOWN WHERE THEY SHOULD AND COME BACK SIX HOURS LATER, EIGHT HOURS LATER, WHATEVER, AND CHECK THEM OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHY THERE'S THREE CORES AT ANY GIVEN TIME THREE-QUARTERS OF THOSE COHORTS, COERCIVE FULL OF WAR.

SO, SO MAYOR, WE YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS PROBABLY ABOUT THREE YEARS.

WHAT'S THE SOLUTION BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY TIRED OF

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THESE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING OUT HERE AND DOING ALL THESE STUDIES, WHAT IS GOING TO BE A SOLUTION BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAS BEEN ASKING, LITERALLY EVERY MEETING, I'M NOT COMING DIRECTLY AT YOU, BUT I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO GET TO A POINT OF RESOLUTION IN REGARDS TO THE STATEMENT THAT HE MAKES EVERY TIME ABOUT THESE PUMPS.

I MEAN, WHAT ALL MONEY DO WE NEED TO ALLOCATE FOR ALL OF THESE STUDIES? LIKE I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, THESE GRANTS WAS COMING DOWN.

WHY ARE WE NOT GOING AHEAD AND GET ALL THE STUDIES OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE SO THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO IT'S DONE.

AND THEN YOU CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND PEOPLE ARE STILL SUFFERING.

BUT IN THIS CASE, IN THE NORTH HILLS AREA, WE, WE NEED TO STUDY.

UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A HUGE PROPONENT OF WASTING LOTS OF TAX DOLLARS ON STUDIES.

I'D RATHER BUILD THINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO WORK.

UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS CASE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BUILD OR HOW TO ADDRESS IT UNTIL WE HAVE SOME DATA ON IT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS GOING TO PROVIDE.

SO THAT GIVES US, OH, LAST BOAT WORKS TO GO BACK TO THE NC STATE STUDY THAT STUDIED ALL THAT ALREADY PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PUMP SYSTEM.

AND I DON'T THINK ANY, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYBODY THAT'S REALLY GOING BACK AND CONTACTING NC STATE AND TRY TO REVIEW BACK OVER ALL THAT INFORMATION.

OBVIOUSLY IT WAS, IT WAS ENGINEERING WORK.

I'VE ABSOLUTELY NEVER SEEN IT WORKING THE WAY I THINK IT, IT SHOULDN'T, I MEAN, EACH FIELD, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ON SIMMONS STREET.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT WHOLE STUDY.

AND I ALWAYS HEARD THAT THAT NORTH HILLS, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BUILT THERE BECAUSE IT WAS SO LOW, BUT YEAH, WE DIDN'T HAVE PERMITTING PROCESSES.

IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S PUSHED A LOT OF WATER DOWN ON NORTH HILLS.

SO GEORGE, GEORGE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW THAT STUDY AND ANOTHER STUDY, WHICH HAS ALREADY COVERED ALL THAT AREA? IS IT ANY WAY THAT YOU COULD DO THAT AND GET BACK WITH US? WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT, BUT I MEAN, I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF GETTING THE UPDATE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT'S LIKE, I LIKE WITH, WITH ALL OF THEM, UM, PASTOR SAID IN REGARDS TO LIKE CHARLIE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT YOU, THIS IS JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT.

HE'S PRESENTING TO US WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS IN THE FUTURE IN REGARDS TO INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED.

I FEEL LIKE WITH ALL OF THESE IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO TAKE MONEY AND ALLOCATE TO HAVE, WHOEVER'S GOING TO COME OUT HERE, WHETHER IT'S ONE CONSULTANT FIRM THAT'S GOING TO COME AND DO ALL THESE STUDIES SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE ALLOCATED TO FIX ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN THESE MEETINGS WHEN WE'RE GETTING GRANT MONEY FROM WHATEVER HURRICANE OR WHATEVER CAME, THAT IT SHOULD MAINTAIN IT FROM THERE.

BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH THESE DITCHES, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE, THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THE DITCHES ARE BEING CLEANED OUT OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, EVEN IF IT WAS CLEANED OUT, IT'S STILL, THEY'RE STILL HAVING WATER ISSUES.

SO IT'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE MORE TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND I JUST FEEL LIKE WE, WE JUST, WE HAVE TO FIND A SOLUTION BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.

COMMUNITIES ARE SUFFERING.

WELL, IT'S ONLY GOING TO TAKE 90 DAYS, 90 TO 120 DAYS TO DO THIS STUDY.

THERE'LL BE A BRAND NEW UPDATED STUDY ON BRAND NEW, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE PROBABLY IMPROVED ON SOME SINCE THE LAST ONE WAS DONE 20 YEARS AGO.

SO LET'S, I MEAN, LET'S JUST DO TO STUDY, GET THE RESULTS, COME BACK, TELL US WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO FIX IT.

AND WE'LL LOOK AT DOING SOME ARP MONEY TO FIX IT, BUT, AND I'LL GO ON ANYTHING.

I JUST, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY'RE SMASHED BELTS ON THAT IF SOMEBODY NEEDS REVIEWED FROM ABOUT 16 YEARS AGO.

BUT, UM, I THINK THE WORD WANT STUDENT TO CORRECT SOMETHING STRANGE.

I'M ALL FOR NC STATE'S BIGGEST MANMADE STORMWATER RETENTION POND STATE IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT WAS SAVE MONEY RIGHT THERE FROM ASHEVILLE IS ON THAT.

WOULD YOU CHECK ON THAT AND LET US KNOW IT HAS BUILT A UNIT? UM, I'M SURE THERE ARE.

I'M SURE.

SORRY.

HAS ANYBODY REVIEWED THOSE? AS-BUILT I HAVE NOT SEEN.

YEAH.

THERE'S A SALMON DOODLE HERE.

LOOK AT JORDAN TO ACTUALLY PUT IN A PROJECT.

LIKE WE HAVE A ONE BUILT ON STREET PUTTING IN THOSE PUMPS.

OKAY.

PUTTING IN THE ELECTRICAL PUMPS.

I THINK YOU SAID MAYOR ELECTRICAL PUMPS OVER ON THE NORTH HILLS DRIVE SIDE.

IS THAT LOOKING AT, BY WHAT? FIVE, $6 MILLION PROJECT, UH, J JUST FOR ONE POND IN THAT AREA? NO, I THINK, UH, WHEN, WHEN I WENT BACK, SO WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THOSE PROPOSALS, IT WAS ABOUT 2.1.

I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU PUSH THAT THE $3 MILLION TO INCLUDE THE SEVEN OR 800

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TO DO A POND SYSTEM AND PUMPS IN THE NORTH HILLS AREA, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY COVER, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAY HAVE A JEEP THING YOU GOT MORE EXPERIENCED WITH IT? I DON'T MIND GIVING ANYBODY CREDIT CREDITS.

DUDE, YOU GOT MORE EXPERIENCED.

I'M GOING TO GET ABOUT 10,000 GALLON ELECTRIC PUMP AND PUT IT ABOUT A FOOT LOWER THAN THE IMPELLER ON THERE'S TWO CLUMPS THERE'S 21,000 GALLONS AND GET SOME OF THAT WATER OUT OF THERE.

SO THEN KIND OF COMMENSURATE WITH THE NEGATIVE TWO FEET INVERT OVER THERE WITH RAY STREET.

IF YOU DID THAT WITNESS GOING TO LEAVE ME, WE COULD DO IT.

SO HOW ABOUT DOES THIS, HOW DOES THIS BOARD FEEL ABOUT INSTEAD OF A $2 MILLION RAISING 3 MILLION FOR THIS DRAINAGE PROJECT, I'M GOING TO STICK WITH THE 2 MILLION JUST SO WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION BACK AND THEN COME BACK AND ADD IT.

IT'S ALREADY TOLD YOU IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THE TWO, $3 MILLION PROJECT JUST FOR THAT ONE ALONE.

NO, NO, MA'AM NO.

THERE'S THE $3 MILLION WOULD COVER THE PROJECTS THAT WERE PROPOSED ON THAT LIST.

AND THAT DOES LEAVE SEVEN OR 800,000 IN THERE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF WHATEVER MAY BE PROPOSED IN THE NORTH HILLS AREA.

THAT, THAT JUST GIVES SOME FUNDING FOR WHAT MAY COME UP OUT OF THE STUDY.

YES.

IT WE'LL JUST LIKE GIVE US DIRECTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE US DURATION TO GO AHEAD AND START MOVING FORWARD WITH THE $2 MILLION PROJECTS.

AS SOON AS WE GET THE STUDY BACK AND BRING, BREAK BACK TO YOU, THEN IF YOU'D LIKE TO FUND ADDITIONAL, UH, ARP FUNDS TO THAT NORTH HILLS PROJECT, WE CAN DO AT THAT TIME.

AND THE WORST DIRECTOR AT THE TIME SITTING IN THE BACK ROOM, DANNY MEADOWS AND THE NEW CO WORKS DIRECTORS ARE THERE.

AND GEORGE HAS BEEN ENTERED, I WOULD SAY $3 MEET WITH THESE GENTLEMEN AND KIND OF FRESHEN UP ON WITH THOSE AS-BUILTS ONCE I SPOT, MAN, YOU JUST GOT HERE, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT BUMP AROUND STREET.

I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE IS THE $2 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS THAT WERE PRESENTED FOR STORM WATER.

YOU SAID THEY'RE IMPACTFUL.

THEY WOULD HELP CITYWIDE THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY THAT JORDAN'S GOT TO GO AFTER.

ARE WE GOING TO SPEND $2 MILLION ON THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE READY, THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASY TO GO APPLY FOR GRANT? AND THEN WE TRY TO SCROUNGE AND FIND OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET A GRANT FOR.

SHOULD WE DO SOME SWAPPING? I THINK THE BOARD, I THINK IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH SPENDING $2 MILLION FOR DRAINAGE.

WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT.

I'M TRYING TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW.

SO WE CAN SAY WE JUST SPENT $2 MILLION ON DRAINAGE AND WE LOSE OUT ON ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE.

CORRECT.

AND WE'RE SO CLOSE IN THE WINDOW OF GETTING THAT CRITERIA BACK FROM THE STATE.

THERE MAY BE SOME ON THIS LIST OR SOME THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED THAT THAT WILL FIT INTO THAT GRANT PROFILE THAT WE CAN GO AFTER.

WELL, CAN WE, UH, IS THE $45,000 OUR LEASE ALREADY ALLOCATED OR DO I MEAN, CAN WE LEAST APPROVE THAT AND NOT WAIT, NOT ALLOCATED.

SO CAN WE AT LEAST APPROVE THAT TO BE MOVED FORWARD WITH SO OUTSIDE OF THIS, IF WE'RE GOING TO HOLD OFF, YOU CAN GIVE US ANY DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE TO DO.

SO, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AT LEAST ALLOCATE THE $46,000 TO DO THE STUDY FOR NORTH HILLS.

IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND THE 2 MILLION, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND THE $2 MILLION ON THE PROJECTS JUST FOR THE STUDY.

GO AHEAD AND GET BACK.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO OUT TOMORROW AND SPEND IT.

WE'RE JUST SAYING, HEY, YOU'VE GOT THIS PILE OF SEGREGATING IT AND WE PUT IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEGREGATING IT FOR TOMORROW, GO OUT AND SPEND, LET'S QUIT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND GET THIS DRAINAGE.

WE'RE NOT, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT WAS.

THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED IS THAT IF THERE IS THE CRITERIA THAT'S COMING DOWN IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, 30, 60, 90 DAYS IN REGARDS TO THAT FOR THE FILLING OUT THESE PROJECTS, I WOULDN'T WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR NORTH HILLS, IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE 90 DAYS.

CAUSE HE WAS SAYING ABOUT THE CRITERIA, I'M ONE $14 MILLION EITHER WAY.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GO WITH THE FLOW IN REGARDS TO HOW THE BOARD WANTS TO TRY AND GO AFTER THE STATE FUNDS.

AND THIS IS ON THE LOWER SPECTRUM BECAUSE IT'S JUST A FEASIBILITY STUDY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.

THE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST THAT GEORGE HAS PRESENTED ON THE LIST THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING AS FAR AS FOR THE GRANT FUNDS JORDAN, OR DO YOU HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU WERE I'M ASKING? IT REALLY DEPEND ON THE APPLICATION CRITERIA WE PULL OUT KNOW UNTIL SOME MAY SCORE VERY WELL AND BE HOME RUN HITS FOR THE GRANT FUNDING.

UM, THESE MAY BE COMPLETE.

DOES IT? YOU REALLY WON'T KNOW BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE STATE HAS GIVEN OUT MONEY LIKE THIS FOR GRANT TRUE

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GRANTS FOR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, ADVICE.

AND IF YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE AN APPLICATION REALLY READY FOR IT YET, RIGHT? SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL SUMMER, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A BAD IDEA, ALEX, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF CARVE OUT SOME CITY ARP MONEY.

NOW LET GEORGE DO WHATEVER STUDY WORK HE WANTS TO, WHICH IS ON THE LOW END OF THE EXPENDITURE SIDE OF THAT.

THEN WE WILL KNOW BY IN 10 MONTHS, WE'LL KNOW YOUR DAY, WHETHER WE MADE IT THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND WE WERE SELECTED, BRING THIS TO MORE GRANTS.

WE WILL HAVE A YES OR NO ANSWER OUT OF A FALL, WHICH IS TYPICALLY AN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER WINDOW.

SO BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, YOU'LL KNOW FOR CERTAIN, WHETHER YOU GOT ANY ADDITIONAL STATE MONEY TO SPEND FOR THESE, OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ALL, ARE YOU JUST USED ENTIRELY CITY ERP MONEY TO GET MOVED FORWARD? I'M NOT THINKING RIGHT NOW ALL THE DIRECTION.

I DON'T THINK WE COULD REALLY VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT RESOLUTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK THE DIRECTION IS, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER'S A PRIORITY WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND UP TO THE TOO MANY, BUT LET'S GET THESE STUDIES GOING BECAUSE WE WON'T KNOW WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY WE'RE GOING TO NEED WITHOUT THE STUDIES.

AND I HAVE ONE MORE THING I WANT TO BRING UP AND I'M GONNA JUST ASK YOU QUICKLY INSTEAD OF GETTING KILL HIM AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN IT, THIS ARP MONEY, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH HAS SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN BACKFILLING FOR, I KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY IN BACKFILLING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT WITH COVID, IT, IT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF EXPENSES WE HAVE IN INVESTED THERE AND POSSIBLY REIMBURSE OURSELVES WITH THE, UM, PAY IN OVERTIME FOR THESE EMPLOYEES THAT WE'VE HAD TO CALL IN.

I KNOW YOU GET ONE MAN OUT ON FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU'VE GOT TO PAY SOMEBODY A TIME AND A HALF FOR 24 HOUR SHIFTS.

THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK I HAVE PULLED A NUMBER FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.

FEES THAT HAVE COME FROM THIS AS WELL AS NOW OUR INSURANCE, WE ARE SELF-INSURED WE HAVE TO PAY FOR COVID TESTING.

SO THOSE ARE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE REIMBURSABLE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR US TO LOOK AT IT'S WELL, I HOPE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WILL AGREE WITH ME, BUT I THINK I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF MONEY THE CITY HAS PAID OUT OF GENERAL FUND OR WHATEVER OUT OF SALARIES FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WE'VE HAD THE BACKFILL FOR, WITH OUR EMPLOYEES HAVING COVID THAT BEING SAID, I'M LIKE, WHY SHOULD WE ADJOURN SECOND? LET'S YOU SAY? ALSO SAY WE ARE ADJOURNED FROM THE ARP WORKSHOP.