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OPEN THE MEETING.NADIA, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, PAT DARCY.
[2. Approval of Minutes: 12.07.2021]
IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF 12 7, 20 21.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS THEN THE MINUTES STAND APPROVED AS WRITTEN ON NEW BUSINESS? JUST TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
I DON'T MEAN TO DISRUPT, BUT GENERALLY IT'S A PHONE CALL TO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
NOT ACCORDING TO ROBERTSVILLE SCORE.
Y'ALL AIN'T ALL YOU COULD DO IS APPROVE OF AS WRITTEN, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE A MOTION AND SECOND, WE CAN DO THAT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PROPOSED MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
UM, I WILL NEED A MOTION TO CONSIDER PART V UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
FIRST, MAY I HEAR THAT MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE AGENDA AND THE PART B FIRST, WHY NOT ACCOMMODATE THE APPLICANT DO WANT HER SECOND? OKAY.
[3.B. Consideration of a request from Development Services on behalf of the City of New Bern to amend “Section 15-80. Endorsements on major subdivision plats.”]
CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST FROM DEVELOPMENT STARTERS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH TO HIM, THEN A MAN SECTION 15 DASH 80 ENDORSEMENTS ON MAJOR SUBDIVISION PLATS, SETH.CONGRATULATIONS ON THE FIRST MEETING.
WE'VE GOT SOME UPDATED WRANGLERS.
I BELIEVE THE REASONING BEHIND THIS IS THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES AT THE STATE LEVEL, MORE MODERN, MORE RECENTLY THAN OUR ORDINANCE HAD BEEN UPDATED.
UM, CHANGING THIS TO BE, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT'S A MISTAKE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, ANY QUESTIONS AND THE CHAIR I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCES.
IS THERE A FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES ALL
[3.A. New Market HDS LLC/McKim & Creed are requesting subdivision final plan approval for “Carolina Colours Medical Park” a proposed 3-lot major subdivision. This subdivision is located on a combined 7.81+/- acres in the C-3 Commercial District. The site is located to the west of US Highway 70, and to the east of Waterscape Way (Ward 3).]
TO NEW BUSINESS, A NEW MARKET HD S LLC SLASH MCKIM AND CREED ARE REQUESTING SUBDIVISION FINAL PLAN APPROVAL FOR CAROLINA CUDDLERS MEDICAL PARK.I PROPOSED THREE LOT MAJOR SUBDIVISION.
THIS SUBDIVISION IS LOCATED ON A COMBINED 7.1 ACRES IN THE C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE SITE IS LOCATED TO THE WEST OF US, HIGHWAY 70 AND TO THE EAST OF WATERSCAPE WAY IN MORE THREE, SETH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALSO INCLUDE 0.5, TWO ACRES OF DESIGNATED ACRES.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED HERE ON THE COLORS GATEWAY AREA.
EVENTUALLY ADOPTED MADISON YOU'VE LOST THAT REQUIRED RECREATION OR REVIEW THE GENERAL PLAN FOR COLOR'S MEDICAL PARK, DECEMBER, 2021, REGULAR SCHEDULE, A MEETING PLAN THAT IS REVIEWED POST ALL THE TECHNICAL AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS.
THE FINAL SUBDIVISION SATISFIED MEDICAL PARK
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IS RECOMMENDED.CONTINUING TO FIND THE RECEIPT OF THE FORM IS FIVE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
THE AMOUNT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY PUBLIC PARKS.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S SATISFIED WITH THAT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, DO WE HAVE A MAP SHOWING WHERE THESE THREE PARCELS ARE A CONJUNCTION TO THE RETIREMENT OR ASSISTED LIVING BUILDING THAT'S BEING BUILT THERE NOW, RIGHT HERE.
AS WE CAN, I CAN GET MY EMAIL WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
JASON IS RIGHT HERE, BUT THESE THREE PARCELS, THEN THERE'S NO JUST USING THAT ONE LANE, RIGHT.
LATHAM LANE INITIALLY HAD REQUESTED OR THE ORIGINAL ENGLISH HE DRESSED RIGHT HERE OFF OF THE TOPIC CIRCLE THAT YOU FELT LIKE THAT ABSOLUTELY UNSAFE.
THIS IS THE RESULT OF SEVERAL MONTHS WORTH OF DISCUSSIONS BACK.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS, YOUR DISCUSSION AND THE CARE ORDER, A MOTION.
YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM A AS DISCUSSED AND OUTLINED IN THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE A MOTION THAT A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[4. Board member comments.]
WARD MEMBER COMMENTS, SETH AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING A WONDERFUL DISCUSSION THIS AFTERNOON AND HE HAS SOME INFORMATION.UM, WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, THE SPORT.
SOME OF THE MEMBERS THAT HAD ABOUT WATER FLOW IN THE BLUE WATER WISE DEVELOPMENT.
I CALLED TODAY TO TALK TO JORDAN.
AND NOW HE ACTUALLY THREE OF US THAT SHE POINTED OUT CONVERSATION THAT I HAD NOT REALIZED THAT TAKING PLACE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOVEMBER.
UM, SO I'LL JUST READ YOU GUYS.
JORDAN HAD SAID TO MY BOSS AND A FEW PEOPLE IN CITY HALL, THE WATER RESOURCES AND FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFF WERE ABLE TO WORK ON FLOWERINESS AREA TODAY FOR THE TESTING AND ARE ABLE TO FIND, UM, AN ISOLATION VALVE ON SNAPPER DRIVE WAY THAT HAD AN OBSTRUCTION ON THE BALLOT BOX, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO BE FULLY OPEN.
ONCE THE OBSTRUCTION WITH CLEARED ABOUT THIS FULLY OPEN IN THE HYDRANTS DOWNSTREAM WERE RETESTED THE FIELD FIRE FLOWS FROM THE RETEST AND HYDRANTS INDICATOR.
NOW WITHIN THE RANGE THEY HAVE BEEN EXPECTED TO IN THE HYDRAULIC MODEL CALCULATIONS WERE TOSSED FROM THEIR CHANNEL.
THEY HAD AN ATTACHED DIAGRAM THAT IT'S, FRANKLY, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO READ, PRINT MY HOUSE.
UM, AS YOU SEE HYDRANTS 20 DASH 4 4 4, IT'S MY QUESTION TO THE MODEL PROJECTION WITH THE FLOW OF 932 POUNDS PER MINUTE, AND THE MOST REMOTE ACTIVE HEIDRICK, AND THEN DEVELOPMENT AGE NINE IS PRODUCING A FIELD FLOOD OF 933 GALLONS PER MINUTE.
AT THIS POINT, IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE RESOLVED THE LOAD FLOW ISSUE, LITTLE WATER RISE AND ALL THE HYDRANTS, AND THAT DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE FALLING BETWEEN EIGHT, 15 AND 1200 GALLONS PER MINUTE.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK IN IMPLEMENTING THE SOUTHEAST WATERWAY PROJECT, WHICH WILL INCREASE THE HYDRANT FLOWS WITH WIDE ARRIVES FROM 1300 RS FOR A RANGE OF 1,320 300 POUNDS.
NOW, WHEN I TALKED TO JORDAN AGAIN THIS AFTERNOON, AND HE SAID THAT THEY'RE STILL, THEY ARE STILL WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
THEY'RE WAITING ON TRAINING UP SOME FUNDS THAT'LL BE PAID.
THAT WILL GO TOWARDS THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT TIMELINE.
SORRY, YOU HAVE THE TIMELINE ON THAT.
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WERE HAPPY TO SEE THAT INSTEAD OF FIVE AND 700 EVERYTHING OVER THERE SITTING ON THE MID 19 HUNDREDS AND THE OTHER.AND THE OTHER PART, THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT THAT'S ALL, IS THAT ALL DEPENDS IN THE EASTMAN.
WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE JORDAN OR SOMEBODY THAT'S WELL VERSED IN THAT.
YEAH, BUT THAT BEING SPENT IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE ISN'T THAT FLOWER THAT MAN SAFE, PROTECTED FOR TRYING TO GET THE EASEMENT ROOM PROBABLY IS A QUESTION WE'VE BEEN ASKING THIS QUESTION FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT THE WATER FLOW, BECAUSE THERE WAS A VALVE THAT WAS OBSTRUCTED SOMEHOW OR OTHER, BUT, UH, WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS AND MAYBE ALL OF OUR LEGAL ASSISTANT KNOW CAN, UH, PROVIDE SOME LIGHT ON, THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE THAT, UH, WE'RE ASKING.
YOU SHOULD HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT BY NOW FOR US.
IS, IS THERE A LEGAL, IS THERE A REASON WHY THIS LEGAL NEEDS IS IT HAS NOT BEEN PROCESSED YET? SHOULDN'T TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE JORDAN HAS ALL THE INFORMATION OR HE'S THE ONE APPLYING FOR THE EASEMENT.
SHOULDN'T HE DEFINITELY HAVE IT.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
I REALLY, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE PROCESS WAS BEING EXPEDITED BY THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS BEING EXPEDITED.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE HIM ANSWER.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU GUYS WOULD GET IT BECAUSE IT'S A STATE OWNED PROPERTY.
AND IF I HAVE A LEGISLATOR, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE FLOW IS OFF, BUT I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THESE ANSWERS.
THEY DON'T SOUND PROFESSIONAL TO ME.
THEY DON'T SOUND LIKE THEY DO.
DILIGENCE IS DONE NORMALLY IN THESE MIXES GRANTED VERY QUICKLY.
NOT THAT NOT AS LONG AS WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO HEAR FROM IT, IT SAYS WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, FROM, FROM DON AND THE INTERACTION HERE, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD JUST FOLLOW UP WITH JORDAN TO FIND OUT A, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WHERE THEY WERE TRYING TO EASE HIM FROM WAS ACTUALLY A PRIVATELY OWNED.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SO I COULD BE WRONG THERE.
UM, CAN WE JUST KIND OF, WHAT COULD WE POSSIBLY VERIFY FASTEST CLOSE YOUR CUSTOMER? IS THIS MEETING, SIR? YES, SIR.
I THINK IT'S OWNED BY SOMEONE CALLED WILDLIFE TRUST, WHICH IN TURN IS OWNED BY THE STATE SOMETHING.
SO SEPARATE IF POSSIBLE, COULD WE JUST ASK SORT OF VERIFYING IT? YEAH, NO PROBLEM.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD NEWS THAT YOU JUST PASSED, SO THAT'S A GOOD STEP.
I'M GLAD THAT WE BROUGHT IT UP.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN AS DILIGENCE.
I THINK THAT IF THE EASEMENT REALLY IS GOING TO GO THROUGH STATE LAND, IT MAY TAKE A LONG TIME.
SO YEAH, WE CAN JUST FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, BUT JORDAN, THAT NUMBER EIGHT AND THEN I THINK THAT PUTS A LOT OF POTENTIAL CHECKS IN THE BOX.
I THINK THAT MAKES EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD VERY HAPPY TO KNOW THAT THE SITUATION IS BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
I'LL BE SPEAKING TO NORMAL STANDARDS IN SHORTLY ON THE SENATE LEVEL TALKING ABOUT NEWSIER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER BOARD COMMENTS AFTER WE'D GOTTEN THIS GREAT NEWS, THEN WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO CUT OR DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I HAVE BEEN PROPOSING A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING THEY WERE IN THERE SPECIFICALLY Y'ALL CAME IN.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO FOR YOU? WELL, WE WERE TOLD TO JOIN THIS MEETING THIS EVENING, UM, JUST DUE TO CONCERNS REGARDING DEVELOPERS HERE IN THE CITY, BE MORE SPECIFIC.
IF YOU'D LIKE A BLUE WATER EYES WITH SIDES.
SO, UM, JUST ISSUES WITH, UM, SO MANY CONTROL.
WE'RE BOTH ENGINEERS AND WE'VE CALLED TO STAY.
EVERY PROJECT HAS TO COMPLY WITH, UH, EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL REQUIREMENTS, PERIOD.
UH, NEXT TO A VERY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD WATER ENVIRONMENT.
YOU KNOW, ALL THESE CREEKS EVENTUALLY MAKE THEIR WAY TO THE NEWS AND OUT OF THE OCEAN, YOU NEED TO KEEP SEDIMENT OUT OF SIGHT
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AND NOT LET IT RUN RAMPANT.AND UH, ALL ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT AT THE EXPENSE THAT IT WAS NOW, I MEAN THE SILL FENCES DOWN IN SPOTS, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE JUST CONVEYING ACROSS THE LIMIT OF THE PROJECT AND IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
AND UM, I KNOW, UH, THERE'S PORTIONS OF THE ROAD, THE NEW ROAD, YOU KNOW, THE FEEDS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ASPHALT'S BREAKING UP.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH NEW BURNS SPECIFIC ROAD STANDARDS, BUT YOU KNOW, I WORKED AT CHERRY POINT AND I DESIGNED THE ROADS THERE AND OUR MINIMUM THICKNESS IS AT LEAST THREE INCHES AND WE'RE ONLY GETTING AN INCH AND A HALF A PAVEMENT AND ALL THE HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC IS WIPING OUT THE ROWS THAT WE GOT.
AND IF THE CITY'S ALREADY ACCEPTED THOSE ROADS, THEY HAD AN IDEA.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT'S GOOD NEWS.
THAT'S GREAT NEWS BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROAD THERE TO SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON.
EVERYONE'S DRIVEN DOWN LANDSCAPE ROAD.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, CROSS CULVERTS AND WATER NAMES ACROSS OF THOSE BITCHES, ALL THE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND MY WORK AND CAROLINA COLORS WITH TWO NEW BUILD OUT SECTIONS, THEY CAN HAUL A MATERIAL UP TO THAT LITTLE PORTION OF LAND IN BETWEEN.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT BOUND, BUT DOWN IN THE CITY LIMITS ALL THAT PHIL WAS GOING UP THAT DIRT ROAD WITH WHAT'S THAT LITTLE DIRT ROAD THERE OFF OF, UH, OLDER REPORT, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE.
AND THEN YOU TURN REAL QUICK AND RIGHT THERE TO THE ROAD GOING ON THERE, THE HEAVY TRUCKS JUST PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND I MEAN THAT ROAD, WHEN WE MOVED IN HERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, LANDSCAPE WAS PRETTY FLAT.
AND SINCE THE PROJECT HAS TAKEN OFF THE CIRCLES, THE ASPHALT'S SPLITTING AT THE JOINT BECAUSE IT'S BEING SHOVED BY TRUCKS AS THEY TURN IT SPLITTING THE PAVEMENT.
AND, UH, I MANAGE ALL THE ASPHALT ON THE AIRFIELD, ALL THE CONCRETE ON THE AIRFIELD.
THAT'S I KNOW ASPHALT, I KNOW KIND OF CREEK AND, UH, THESE MATERIALS AREN'T MEANT TO TAKE THE KIND OF LOANS THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGNER, RIGHT? AND THEN WE PUT TWO AND A HALF INCHES, THREE INCHES OF PAYMENT DOWN.
THEY'RE NOT EXPECTED TO LAST FOR 20 YEARS SEEING, YOU KNOW, 60,000 POUNDS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND THAT'S WHY ON THE ROLLERCOASTER.
AND THAT'S JUST GONNA GET WORSE.
I MEAN, A COUPLE OF MORE REAL WET SPRINGS AND THAT'S GONNA FIT.
SO, I MEAN, THESE ARE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.
WE'RE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT, HEY, THESE THINGS ARE GOING ON AND YOU KNOW, UH, ULTIMATELY THEY'LL FALL BACK ON ALL OF, ALL OF US AS TAXPAYERS.
I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO PAY, PICK THE HEAT ON, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO REPLACE THE PORTIONS OF THESE ROADS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT 50, $60,000 A REPAIR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A REPAIR TO CUT OUT OR REPLACE THE BEDDING AND PUT THE ROAD BACK, AND THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS.
THAT'S HOW WE ARE EMR FOR OTHER THINGS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE BOND OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND IF THOSE MAINTENANCE BINDS COVER DAMAGE TO CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, IF THEY DON'T, THEY SHOULD, BECAUSE THEY ARE PUTTING A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR MOVING BIGGER.
I MEAN, THEY'RE PUMPING A LOT OF MATERIAL AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO BE MINDFUL OF.
AND SOME OF THE SMALLER THINGS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE MOVING ALL THESE SOILS, THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE TRACKING STUFF ALL OVER.
UM, THEY'RE NOT SEEING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, IT IT'S CREEPING INTO THE STORMWATER CONVENIENCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST A WEAR AND TEAR ON THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE, TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT.
AND THEN FROM THE RESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE, THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SPENDING 3 25, 3 75 FOR THESE TOWERS FOR 4,000 FOR THESE HOUSES AND THEIR CONSTRUCTION IS NOT GREAT, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW HOUSES AND THE BATH, THE SECOND STORE BATHROOMS ARE LEAKING THROUGH THE KITCHEN CEILINGS, UM, ROTTED, TRUSTED CRAP TRUSSES, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME YOU BUY A HOUSE, IT'S ALWAYS ON THE RESIDENT TO HER, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HAVE A HOME INSPECTION DONE.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE BUYING A BRAND NEW HOUSE, YOU EXPECT IT TO BE IN BRAND
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NEW CONDITION.UM, AND YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF THESE YOUNGER FAMILIES THAT ARE MOVING IN, BUYING HOUSES, DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AND DON'T KNOW TO DO THEIR OWN WORK.
UM, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE GETTING JADED.
A LOT OF MILITARY PEOPLE TOO, THAT YOU KNOW, ARE MOVING IN THAT ARE DUMB OFFICERS.
IT IS MOVE WATER RISE, AND THEN IT GRADINGS, THE GRADING'S NOT FINISHED.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY PUT IN THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, BUT THEN DIDN'T FINISH GRADE IT.
AND SO WE HAVE A SIDEWALK AND THE DROP-OFF ON BOTH SIDES AND THE DIRT PILES EVERYWHERE.
SO THERE'S, AND I'M NOT, NOT TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, SO, OKAY.
NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHEN, BUT WHEN ALL YOU GET IS A RESIDENT WITH A DEVELOPER IS I DON'T GIVE A CRAP.
YOU HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES THAT DO THE PERMITTING, AND YOU'RE THE ONES THAT TELL THEM YES OR NO, THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE DEVELOPING A NEWBORN.
AND YOU ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE POWER TO BACK THE RESIDENTS.
AND IF YOU JUMP BACK THE RESIDENT, YOU GET REALLY FRUSTRATED, RIGHT? AND THE, IF YOU WOULD SEE, OH, EACH ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
AND THESE PEOPLE FELL ON US THAT THE HOUSES ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
THAT BEING SOLVED WITH DRIVING TRUSSES, I CAN TELL YOU THEY DOING SECTORS INSTEAD.
WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU GO OUT THERE THIS WINTER, WHEN THEY CHANGE HOUSES, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES WHERE THE TRUCKS THAT ARE SITTING OUT THERE WAITING FOR THE GUYS WHO COME BUILD AND THEY'RE JUST LAYING IN THE DIRT.
AND IF THEY'RE ONLY IN THERE FOR A WEEK FINE, BUT WHEN THEY'RE LAYING UNDER FOR TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE MATERIAL EITHER.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PUSHED INTO A DITCH AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TIPPED IN BENT AND TWISTED.
AND THEN, AND THEN SOMEONE'S, YOU KNOW, SPENDING MONEY TO BUY A HOUSE THAT THEY THINK IS IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHEN FOLKS DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO GO, THEY'RE GETTING STRONG ARMS BY THE DEVELOPER STRONG ARM, BY THE MANAGEMENT, THE HOA MANAGEMENT GROUP.
WE STILL DON'T HAVE A WORKING AGE AWAY.
GRANTED, THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM, BUT THESE ARE ALL THE COMPOUND THINGS THAT AS, AS THE RESIDENTS, MY NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ENGINEERS, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THEIR FRUSTRATIONS AND COMPLAINTS, ALSO, THEY, THEY DON'T ALWAYS KNOW HOW TO VOICE OR WHERE TO GO.
AND WHEN THEY'RE JUST GETTING THEIR HEADS BASHED IN EVERY TIME THEY COMPLAIN, LIKE I SAID TO THE DEVELOPER OR TO THE, TO THE PREMIER MANAGEMENT GROUP, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO.
LIKE, SO FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE FIRST MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WERE THE FOURTH HOUSE IN OUR, IN OUR FACE.
WE HAD A WORKABLE, UH, BACKYARD.
UH, SWALED CONNECTED ALL THE BACKYARDS AND DRAINED EVERYTHING OUT TO THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION, WHERE IT WOULD FILTER OUT INTO THE SWAMP.
UM, THEY BUILT ANOTHER HOUSE BEHIND US WHEN THEY REGRADED THE YARD, THEY REGRADED IT FLAT.
MY HOUSE IS HIGH, BUT THE HOUSES THAT AROUND IT, ALL THEIR STORMWATER NOW RUSHES UP INTO THEIR BACKYARD WITHIN A COUPLE OF FEET OF THEIR BAD.
AND THAT'S COMING FROM THE HOUSES THAT ARE HIGHER, LIKE OUR HOUSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, THIS IS ANOTHER THING.
YOU KNOW, SOMEONE THAT KNOWS DIDN'T LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT DESIGN WHEN IT WAS GOING THROUGH REVIEW, BECAUSE INITIALLY ALL THE PROPERTIES WERE DESIGNED WHERE IT SLOPES FROM THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, TO THE ROAD.
WE HAVE THESE BIG, HUGE OPEN DITCHES AND OUR SECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE SOUTH WIND PHASE.
AND THEY DISCOVERED THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK.
IT'S TOO FAR, THE WATER ISN'T GETTING TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO TO.
AND THEY CAN'T CONTROL THE GRADE.
SO THEY PUT THIS DITCH IN, AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINES TO CAPTURE THE BACK YARD WATER, AND NOW THEY DIDN'T GRADE THEM ALL.
THERE'S JUST NOT CONTROL OF THE GRADING VERY WELL.
AND YOU KNOW, SOME PROPERTIES ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH WATER ISSUES, THE WATER ISSUES.
THAT'S MY BIG THING IS ROAD DRAINAGE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SPEND MONEY ON THE PROPERTY, ONE THING THAT WE GOT PUSHED BACK ON OUR DRIVEWAY WAS ERODING ON EITHER SIDE AT THE DITCH BECAUSE THEY PUT A PIPE IN THERE PACKED IT WAS SAND, AND THEN COVERED IT WITH SIGNS.
LIKE THE SIGNS ARE GOING TO HOLD BACK THE SAND.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE GET A NASTY GRAM BECAUSE WE GO A CONCRETE FOR THE BULKHEAD, UM, THE UP WATER SIDE TO PROTECT IT FROM SCOUR
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AND LOOKING AT THE PLANS THAT THE BOARD APPROVED, THEY WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE WALLS.EVERY S EVERY DRIVEWAY WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A HEADLONG.
AND SOMEHOW THOSE HAD WALLS CHANGED.
THEY WERE REMOVED AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S $3,000 HOUSE, 40 HOUSES.
THAT'S AN EXTRA A HUNDRED GRAND.
HE PUT IN HIS POCKET BECAUSE HE DIDN'T PUT HEADWALLS IN.
THAT'S NOT COOL BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THESE HOUSES AROUND THERE THAT HAS THE BIG DITCH IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE.
THE HEAD WALL ON EACH SIDE OF THEIR DRIVEWAY IS ERODING SOME HOUSES, THEY'RE BRAND NEW, AND IT'S WASHED OUT.
THEY'VE HAD TO COME IN AND CUT BACK THE DRIVEWAY, REPLACE PART OF THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE IT'S GETTING UNDERMINED.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY INSPECTORS ARE OUT THERE WATCHING, BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT GET APPROVED BY THE BOARD THAT DON'T GET PUT INTO PLACE IN THE FIELD.
WHO'S GOING TO GET THAT APPROVAL.
IT'S EITHER ONE OF YOU, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, STAYED IN NORTH CAROLINA AND NEW YORK AND PENNSYLVANIA.
CAN I GET YOU GUYS IN CONTACT WITH OUR CITY? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
CAN I PICK HERE? CAN I MAKE A QUICK SUGGESTION? UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU FOLKS ARE VERY WELL VERSED IN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE, AND I MAY BE OUT OF MY LANE HERE.
SO TELL ME IF I AM, PUT ME BACK IN MY BOX, BUT I THINK IT'D BE VALID TO HAVE THEM TYPE UP VALID CONCERNS.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ADDRESS THE INSPECTORS AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE STUFF GOES, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU AND I HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION OFF THE RECORD HERE, BUT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY TIME THAT I'VE SEEN BUILDERS DO THAT HERE IN NEWBURGH.
IT'S GET THEM UP, GET THEM UP.
SO I THINK IF WE COULD DO THAT AND THEN MAYBE REINVIGORATE THE INSPECTORS TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE SOME OF THE VALID THINGS THAT HOMEOWNERS ARE JUST PURCHASING THESE HOMES.
NOW I REALIZE TOO THAT IT IS A MASSIVE CONSTRUCTION SITE BECAUSE, AND I KNOW WE HAVEN'T ACCEPTED THE ROADS AS, AS THE CITY.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND FIX THE ROADS AND FIX ALL THE DAMAGE, WHICH THAT WILL BE IN HERE.
SO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT DOESN'T BODE WELL, WHEN YOU DO HAVE PEOPLE WITH VALID CONCERNS AND THEY'RE AT HOME THAT THEY JUST BOUGHT, AND THERE'S ALL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S ONE HOUSE WHERE I MIGHT EXAGGERATING.
THERE'S AN OLD, UH, NATURALLY MOTHER NATURE PUT A PRE THROUGH THERE.
THEY FILLED IT IN WITH A PROJECT AND THERE'S NO ALCOHOL THERE NOW.
AND THAT ERODED ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOME.
IT WAS UNDERMINING THE CONCRETE SLAB OF THE HOUSE.
AND THE GUY WENT AND, YOU KNOW, GOT SOME, HAVING TIMBERS, PUT SOME STUFF ON THE GROUND TO TRY TO STOP THE SOIL FROM BRUSHING OUT.
I MEAN, AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THIS IS KINDA, I KNEW YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE A ESTABLISHED SIGN IN THE BACKYARD TO HOLD IT IN.
BUT I MEAN, HE'S ONLY BEEN THERE TWO MONTHS.
OH YEAH, NO, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE THE BASE COURSE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CURVY IN ANY OF THE AREAS AROUND US, THAT THE, UM, THE ASPHALT COMES RIGHT UP TO THE, THE, THE CURB EDGE.
SO THAT'S, THERE'S NO GROUP, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A TOP HORSE PHASE THOUGH.
ALL THE DRIVEWAYS HAVE ABOUT AN INCH OF REVEAL.
RIGHT? SO THERE COULD THEORETICALLY BE ANOTHER COURSE, BUT AS FAR AS WE'VE BEEN TOLD THERE'S, AND I, I ALSO WORK IN PAVEMENT AND WORK WITH THE, ONE OF THE CONTRACT, PAYS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND HE SAID, THERE'S NO PLANS.
ABSOLUTELY THAT'S STANDARD STANDARD PRACTICE, EVERYWHERE ELSE.
YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE DUMPSTERS DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO DO STUFF, RIGHT.
AGAIN, I'M UNDERSTANDING ARE OUR AREAS A HUNDRED PERCENT BUILT OUT OUR PHASE IS BUILT OUT, RIGHT? SO OUR, OUR, OUR LOOP THAT GOES AROUND, UH, UH, KINGFISH, KINGFISH AND WHATEVER THE OTHER ONES, THE BACKSIDE IS, BUT THAT LOOP, THERE'S NO OTHER CONSTRUCTION GOING ON THERE IT'S DONE.
THAT'S BEEN DONE FOR, AND YOU'RE ALSO TELLING US THAT THE GRADING AND THE BULKHEADS, THE FINAL HOUSES THAT ARE BEING SOLD ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE TO THE ORIGINAL PLANS THAT WE SAW ORIGINALLY HAD TO BE FORGIVEN FOR OUR HOUSE HAVE AT THE DRIVEWAY.
, I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S AN OPEN DITCH, UH, LOW DENSITY DESIGN.
UM, SO THERE'S A CONCRETE HEADWALL AND THAT MAKES SENSE THAT IT'S THERE BECAUSE OF THE SOILS WE HAVE HERE ARE HIGHLY ERODIBLE.
I MEAN, UH, YEAH, BUT, BUT NONE OF THE HEADWALLS WERE BUILT.
ONLY ONE RESIDENT HAS HAD WALLS.
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WHEN WE TALKED TO HIM, HE SAID, IT'S BECAUSE HE THREW A HISSY FIT AND GOT THEM TO BARTER WITH THEM OR WHATEVER.UM, SO WE BUILT OUR OWN HEAD WALL, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SHOW HER THAT, THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST WATCHING OUT AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE HEAD FOR MY CONCRETE TRUCK.
UM, SO STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PLAN, SEAN.
I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED.
AND THAT'S MY OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF IT'S APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND IT'S GOING TO BE, SEAN IS, IS, YOU KNOW, BUILT AS ONE WAY.
AND THEN WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TELL THEM IT'S OKAY TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE IN MY MIND, THAT'S INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT.
THAT'S WITHIN THE CITIES RIGHT AWAY.
SO I MEAN, EVENTUAL RIGHT AWAY.
I MEAN, IT'S 66 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND, UH, THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND HAVE TO RE-INSTALL, YOU KNOW, ROAD IN PIPES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CULVERT PIPES UNDERNEATH DRIVEWAYS.
BUT, UH, IF IT ISN'T DONE RIGHT, THEY'LL HAVE TO DO THAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE NO ONE, IT WASN'T A SOLVER.
SO SETH, IS THAT A, IS THAT A FEASIBLE THING THAT WE CAN DO? AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN SPECIFICALLY, WE CAPTURED, UH, YOU KNOW, EITHER AN EMAIL TO YOURSELF OR WHOEVER YOU DEEM IS THE BEST PERSON.
THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND ACTUALLY HAVE THE, THE INSPECTOR GO OUT AND KIND OF VERIFY SOME OF THIS STUFF AND SORT THROUGH IT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOTES, AREN'T MENTIONED INSPECTORS AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD BOLTS OUT BEFORE WE HAD STORM WATER OUT BEFORE TO TAKE A LOOK AT STUFF.
AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WROTE AN INSPECTOR OUT BEFORE TO TAKE A LOOK AT SNOW.
DID THEY SAY WE DON'T GET FEEDBACK? THEY JUST COME OUT AND LOOK, AND, YOU KNOW, A GENERIC EMAIL THAT SAID, WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE ASSURED THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
IT KIND OF, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE MUCH.
THEY THINK THEY HAVE MUCH CONTROL EITHER.
THAT'S BEEN A COMMENT, RANDOM STAFFERS, YOU KNOW, NEWBURN STAFFERS AS WELL.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY LEVERAGE LEVERAGE.
DON'T KEEP GIVING THEM, SEE VOTERS DON'T APPROVE.
THE NEXT PHASE IS THE ONES THEY'VE GOT WITH IT.
I MEAN, WE MOVED DOWN HERE FROM, I WAS ON A PLANNING BOARD JUST LIKE THIS IN WESTERN NEW YORK.
I MEAN, SO I UNDERSTAND ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DEAL WITH, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE TOOLS WE ALWAYS, WE WOULD HOLD, WE WOULD HOLD PERMITS.
WE WOULD SIT ON, SORRY UNTIL THE RECIPES, THINGS, ALL OF OUR PUNCH LIST ITEMS HERE FOR THE LAST PHASE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FIXED YET.
AND THIS IS JUST THE CITY'S INTERESTS.
WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING THAT THAT'S COMPLETE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO ISSUE ANY MORE UNTIL IT'S DONE BECAUSE HE'S JUST BUILDING HOUSES, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THIS GO UP, YOU KNOW, ONE A MONTH.
THEY'RE KNOCKING THEM OFF AND THAT'S GREAT.
WE BOUGHT ONE OF THEM AND WE LIKE OUR HOUSE, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF LOOKING OUT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE INVESTED IN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS IT, IT'S GOING TO LAST FOR 40 50 YEARS.
SO I'VE GOT ANOTHER 50 YEARS IN ME.
SO I'D LIKE THAT ALL, UH, STAYING IN THERE UNTIL, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAD ANY KIND OF ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS ALL, AND I'M NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT I'M HEARING IT.
SAY THAT RIGHT NOW, SETH, WHO IS THE DEVELOPER FOR BLUEWATER ROSS, PLEASE REFRESH MY UNIVERSITY.
I'M NOT TRYING TO USE BOTH SIDES.
AND THE REASON WE CAME HERE TONIGHT, WE HEARD THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED 165 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF WOODS THAT THEY HAD.
THAT'S CLEAR CUT NOW ADJACENT TO THE STATE LAND.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.
I'M LIKE, OH, HOLD UP, WE'VE GOT A BIG PROJECT WASN'T DONE AND IT NOT GET UP.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE OF OURSELVES.
WELL, WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE, DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING IN AND SHARING WHAT YOU'VE SEEN AND WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
UM, I DEFINITELY THINK SETH, HE COULD PROBABLY GET THE INSPECTORS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT SOME OF THE VALID CONCERNS.
SO I CAN, AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY THAT WE CAN DO HERE, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU GOT BACK TO US JUST TO LET US KNOW THAT IT'S IN.
THESE PEOPLE GO TO A BOARD OF ALDERMAN, IMMEDIATE ADDRESS, UH, OLDHAM AND DIRECTLY WITH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S YOUR BEST BET BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY GETTING USED TO
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THE DIFFERENT STRUCTURE DOWN HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT USED TO OLDER MEN AND IT'S A DIFFERENT SETUP FROM WHERE WE LIVED IN NEW YORK, YOU KNOW? SO WE'RE JUST, WEREN'T IN THE CITY.WE'RE IN, ALL AROUND MEETING OF THE MONTH IS PETITION OF CITIZENS.
AND YOU CAN SPEAK FOR FOUR MINUTES OR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO, YOU JUST HAVE TO SIGN UP.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GO TO NEXT TUESDAY'S ALDERMAN B, WHICH WILL BE THE SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH AND GO EARLY AND SIGN UP FOR THE PETITIONER CISOS.
AS YOU WALK IN THE DOOR, YOU CAN SIGN UP A STATE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR BEST BET.
AND ALSO YOUR ALDERMAN SHOULD BE BOBBY ASKED HER WORKED GREAT.
YOU TO BE CONTACTING THE HEAD OF JOB.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO, YOU KNOW, ARE WORKING ALSO FROM THE ALDERMAN SIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE MAYBE CONTRACTORS THEIR OWN IN THEIR OWN PROFESSIONS THAT SEE THE SAME STUFF.
AND WE'RE ALL TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET HELP EACH OTHER OUT, YOU KNOW, TO PUT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WHEN THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH, WITH NURSE STUFF, THE VOTING MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD ARE VERY LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO.
WE, ONCE ONE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TELLS US THAT AN APPLICATION MEETS ALL THE LEGAL CRITERIA.
YOU ARE COMPELLED BY LAW TO VOTE FOR.
WE HAD A VOTE RECENTLY ABOUT SOMETHING CONCERNING SIDES CONSTRUCTING.
I WAS DIRECTOR FOR THE BOARD AND I WAS TOLD THAT I WOULD BE ARRESTED BY THE ATTORNEY.
IF I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE APPROVAL BACK ME UP, I'VE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE SITES AND CONSTRUCTION FOR A LONG TIME.
AND IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME TO HEAR WITH THE SHENANIGANS THAT ARE GOING ON.
NOW I'M FROM NEW YORK TOO, AND I'M NOT USED TO THIS AND MY FRIEND'S SON.
IF YOU BOTH SIT DOWN AFTER THE MEETING, I'VE TALKED TO SETH, UH, WE'RE ALSO GONNA PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH YOUR ALDERMAN THAT COVERS THAT AREA.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD JUMP OFF POINT FOR YOU GUYS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES.
WE APPRECIATE YOU LETTING US GO.
WE TRIED TO LET TIME AND PROCESS WORK.
LIKE WE'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW.
WE'VE TRIED, YOU KNOW, WE'VE USED THE PROCESSES THAT ARE IN PLACE, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH YOUR WARRANTY PROCESS, USE YOUR, YOUR HOA REPRESENTATIVE OR THE PREMIER DEVELOPMENT.
CAMERON USE HIM USE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PROCESSES THAT ARE IN PLACE.
WE TRIED TO USE THOSE THINGS CORRECTED THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
AND, UM, BUT UNTIL, UH, UNTIL THE PROPERTY, UNTIL IT'S LIKE 80% BUILT OUT OR 20 YEARS GOES BY, THERE REALLY IS NO PLANNING.
THERE IS NO BOARD THERE ISN'T AN HOA BOARD.
WE RELY ON THE CONTRACTOR TO DO HIS JOB.
AND UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE JUST PICKING DAISY.
OKAY, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ONE OTHER PIECE OF PROCEDURAL INFORMATION FOR THE BOARD AND WORLD.
ARE THERE ANY TWO OLDER MEN CAN PUT SOMETHING ON THE DOCKETS? SO IF YOU DON'T GET ANY RELIEF, UNIQUE TO GET TO ALDERMAN, THAT WILL AGREE TO ASK THAT IT BE PUT ON THE DOCKET AND IT TAKES TWO WEEKS TO A MONTH TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN.
BUT THAT'S THE WAY YOU GET BEFORE THE BOARD.
IF YOU DON'T GET RELIEF FROM THE PETITIONER CITIZENS.
I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST YOU CHECK WITH YOUR TITLE INSURANCE.
IF THERE WAS ANY VIOLATIONS OF TITLE, INSURANCE MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU RESOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS IF THINGS WERE DONE IN VIOLATION OF THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT.
NO, WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING DOWN AND THAT'S THANK YOU.
BUT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW, OKAY.
WE GO HOME AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.