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MEETING TO ORDER NADIA, WOULD YOU CALL THEM ROLL BREEZE?[1. Roll Call]
SO CLEAN HERE, JOHN BLACK, MARGIE MARCUS SIMMONS, PAT DARCY, SEMI ALYSSA.THE FIRST ITEM UNDER NEW BUSINESS
[3.A. Work session with Moffatt & Nichol to kick-off the City of New Bern Land Use Plan update.]
IS A WORK SESSION WITH MOFFITT AND NICHOLS TO KICK OFF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH LAND USE PLAN UPDATE.I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MOFFITT AND NICOLE THEY'RE GOOD AFTERNOON.
AM I STILL COMING THROUGH WELL, YES, SIR.
WELL, GOOD TO SPEAK WITH YOU HERE IN PERSON TODAY, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY MAKE A MEN AND I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO BEING PERSONALLY INDEPENDENT IN YOUR NEXT STEP COMING, UH, BBB.
BUT, UH, THIS IS, UH, AN EXCITING PROJECT.
UH, ONE THAT IS GONNA MOVE AT A BRIEF CLIP.
WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT SLIDE, SHARE A VERY BRIEF POWERPOINT PRESENTATION WITH YOU.
UM, BUT REALLY THE GOAL OF THE OBJECTIVE TODAY IS THE NUMBER ONE, INTRODUCE MYSELF AND, UH, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR TEAM AND WHAT WE'RE EXCITED TO BE DOING FOR YOUR COMMUNITY NUMBER.
DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD AND THE CALENDAR, WHICH SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE WORKING FROM AND, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DATA THAT WE RECEIVED SO FAR THAT WE'VE REVIEWED SO FAR.
WE LIKE TO THINK WE KNOW YOUR COMMUNITY WELL, UH, MEMBERS OF MOFFITT AND NICOLE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE, TO PLANNING NOW FOR, UH, FOR A BIT OF TIME.
UH, WE ALL JUST TALKED TO GET A NICE BIG GRANT TO HELP OUT ON THE WORK AND DUFFY FIELD.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, NOTHING, NO HEAVY LIFTING TODAY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO REALLY SPEND MORE TIME LIFTING, UH, AND, UH, HEAR A BIT ABOUT THE HEIGHTS OF BOTH TWO GROUPS THAT WE SHOULD BE MEETING WITH AND TALKING WITH, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, SOME OF THE ISSUES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN THE COMMUNITY AND ULTIMATELY, UH, THIS IS AN EFFORT THAT WILL BE VERY FOCUSED ON KEY AREAS OF GROWTH.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, BUILD THE ART, UH, AND, AND PREPARE FOR 40 DAYS A NIGHT FOR WATER, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON VARIOUS STRATEGIC THUMBS IN YOUR LAND USE PLAN UPDATE SO THAT WE CAN BE READY FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, MOVING 10 YEARS FOR THAT'S THE OVERVIEW.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SWITCH OVER TO SHARE MY SCREEN AND MAKE SURE I GET THIS CORRECT.
SOMETIMES I SHARED THE WRONG SCREEN AND THEY GOT LOTS OF THEM AND I'M GOING TO OPEN THAT PRESENTATION AND I'M GOING TO GET BACK.
CAN EVERYONE SEE MY SCREEN? EXCELLENT.
AND OF COURSE AT ANY TIME I'M NOT COMING THROUGH CLEARLY OR YOU NEED ALL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
I KNOW YOU'LL BE, YOU'LL BE, UH, HELPING ENCOURAGE YOUR, YOUR BOARD MEMBERS TO SPEAK AND PARTICIPATE, BUT CLEARLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PAUSE AT ANY MOMENT.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK I JUST COVERED OUR AGENDA, UH, BUT JUST TO KIND OF RECAP IT, UH, TO GO THROUGH THE PROJECT AND TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE BETA AND ULTIMATELY TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS OF HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO, UH, WE WERE RETAINED, UH, BY, UM, UH, THE TEAM AND REALLY GOT GOING IN THE NEW YEAR.
UM, WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING ON JANUARY ONE YET.
UM, YOU'VE HAD A COUPLE OF STAFF CHANGES SINCE THEN, SO WE BOTH, AND WE HAVE ONE ON ARTIST, SO WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A FOG.
SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, UH, TO COLLECT DATA, CERTAINLY GET THINGS GOING.
I'M YOUR PROJECT MANAGER? UH, I'VE BEEN, UM, A PLANNER FOR ABOUT 34 YEARS.
I'M BASED OUT OF CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA, MOFFITT AND NICKEL IS THE COMPANY WITH, UH, 859 EMPLOYEES WITH THE LAST NUMBER I SAW.
UH, WE HAVE ALMOST A HUNDRED OF THOSE EMPLOYEES BASED HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA, IN WILMINGTON RALEIGH, AND HERE IN MY STUDIO IN CHARLOTTE.
UM, I WILL BE YOUR PROJECT MANAGER WHEN OF CONTACT YOU AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
MY CHARLOTTE'S ON MY EMAIL ADDRESS WILL ALL BE DISPLAYED, BUT FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME ANY TIME.
UH, AND I'LL BE BACKED UP WITH, UH, THE DRIVES MYSELF, A REALLY GREAT PLANNER HERE, AMANDA ZULA.
WHO'S ALSO BEEN WORKING ON ALL YOUR OUTREACH FOR THE RESILIENCY PLAN AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, UH, EVEN ROBIN WHO WAS A PLANNER, UH, HERE ON OUR OFFICE, AS WELL AS OUR GIP AND THE RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE BASED IN RALEIGH.
AND REALLY THE OBJECTIVE IS TO OF COURSE, UPDATE, UH, YOUR LAND USE PLAN.
AND AS I MENTIONED, WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THOSE KEY AREAS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO UPDATE, UM, THAT, UH, ARE CERTAINLY
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TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, THEN THE GENERAL STATUTES AND TO GET THEM DONE BY THE END OF JANUARY.AND WE'LL START AT THE END OF JUNE, EXCUSE ME, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND CERTAINLY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VERY FOCUSED ON THOSE KEY AREAS OF CONCERN THAT, UM, NEED TO LOOK IN TERMS OF THE SUITABILITY OF LAND USE, UH, SUITABILITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S OUT THERE.
HOW WOULD YOU MAKE THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND LAND USE ALL WORK TOGETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, IN AN IDEAL WORLD THAT ALL KINDS OF, UM, ORGANIZED AND PLANNED AND ORCHESTRATED IN A VERY CONCURRENT WAY.
UH, AND WE WANT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO EMBODY THAT IN YOUR LAND PLAN UPDATE AS WELL.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO RUN ACROSS, UH, THREE PRIMARY PHASES OF WORK.
AND OF COURSE, AS YOU CAN EXPECT, UH, WE'RE RIGHT HERE, UH, IN THE HARVEST STAGE ONE DATA COLLECTION, UH, ENGAGEMENT, THE PVB, AND THIS ISN'T A, ONE-OFF CERTAINLY HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET WITH YOU AND TO SPEND TIME WITH EACH ONE OF YOU, UH, AND TO CERTAINLY HAVE YOUR FINGERPRINTS ON THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING WITH, WITH A TOWN THAT INCLUDED, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLKS FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE FROM GIS FROM PUBLIC WORKS, UH, GEORGIA ENGINEER.
UM, AND NOW WE'RE REALLY LOOKING INTO THE SIDES OF THE DATA COLLECTION TO START TALKING A LOT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE WILL BE THROUGH PHONE CALLS AND ZOOM MEETINGS AND TEAM MEETINGS.
BUT I DO WANT TO SCHEDULE SOME TIME ABOUT TWO WEEKS FROM DAYS TO SPEND THERE TO IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND HAVE SOME IN-PERSON ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS.
THEN WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, YOUR OPINIONS AND FOLKS YOU THINK I SHOULD BE SPEAKING WITH AS WELL, THE DELIVERABLE OR THE KEY DELIVERABLE IS TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKE TAKING A TEMPERATURE, RIGHT? YOU WANT TO CREATE A FACT BOOK THAT REALLY FREEZES IN TIME, UM, WHERE THINGS ARE IN TERMS OF YOUR CURRENT LAND USE ALL THE RELEVANT STUDIES, UH, EXISTING SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AREAS OF FOCUS, UH, ALL OF THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE THAT START TO CREATE THE GUIDE RAILS AS TO WHY WE WOULD, UH, DESIGN A LAND USE PLAN UPDATE IN A PARTICULAR DIRECTION.
SO THERE'S THE SORT OF GUIDING POINT GUARD RAILS ARE REALLY HELPING TO FRAME THE CONTEXT AND THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO WHEN WE START TO GRAPH AND HOPEFULLY FINALIZE THE LAND USE PLAN, UPDATE, UH, STAGE TWO, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'LL SHOW YOU THE SCHEDULE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE DELIVERY PHASE ONE IN MID MARCH.
SO THEN WE CAN START TO MOVE INTO STAGE TWO.
UH, AND THAT'S REALLY THE START TO IDENTIFY AND DEVELOP THE FUTURE SCENARIOS.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT LAND USE, UH, DEVELOPMENT SCHEMES WITH THE DATA THAT EITHER QUANTITATIVE OR QUALITATIVE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COLLECT, UH, AND CERTAINLY BE THINKING ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES TO SUPPORT THE SCENARIO.
SO, UH, SAY WE WOULD ADD A CERTAIN LAND USE TYPE FOR DENSITY AND LOCATION.
WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ROADWAYS THAT ARE NOT CONCURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE OR OFF STOP, UH, PUBLIC, UH, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND PUBLIC RESOURCES.
AREN'T THERE A LACKING OF PARTS.
ALL OF THESE THINGS START TO NOT WORK FAVORABLY ON GRASS.
WE WANT TO FOCUS DEVELOPMENT, UH, AROUND A CERTAIN, UH, INTERCHANGE OR NEIGHBORHOOD OR DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER THAT MY FACE WILL START TO PASS THOSE, THE DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO AT THE END OF THE QUALITATIVE OR QUANTITATIVE WAY, UH, AND REVIEW THOSE WITH THE FIN, REVIEW THOSE WITH FOLKS HERE ON THIS CALL AND FROM THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF FOCUS AREAS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE FUTURE DID A DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO SAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR PREFERRED DEVELOPMENT APPROACH MAKES THE MOST SENSE IN THE NEAR TERM MID TERM, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE LONG-TERM, UH, AND WE'LL START TO THEN FOCUS ON A PREFERRED DIRECTION IN THOSE KEY FOCUS AREAS AS PART OF THE OVERALL PLAN.
AND WHAT DID THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADVANCE INTO THE FINAL ASPECT OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, RIGHT, DOING ALL THE APPROPRIATE GIS MAPPING, MAKING SURE WE'RE MEETING WITH THE NC STATUTE UPDATE, UM, COMING UP FOR SUMMARY PRESENTATION AND ULTIMATELY GET THIS BEFORE THE MEMBERS HERE, THE BEATEN VIDEO, AS WELL AS THE MAYBE, UH, AND, UH, AND FOLKS TO, BY JUNE, IDEALLY TO GET THE ADOPTED, TO MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS NOW IN THIS ABBREVIATED PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE WOULD ALL LOVE TO HAVE THE BUDGETS OF FIVE, FIVE TIMES, FIVE TIMES AS LONG, RIGHT? UM, THIS IS A TYPE OF A PLANNING PROCESS TO BE A VERY DEEP CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
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YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THAT.UM, AND WE WOULD PREFER A YEAR.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE NEED TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, WE NEED TO REALLY WORK IN A VERY EFFICIENT MANNER AND WHILE IT MIGHT NOT BE IDEAL, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE HAND THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALT AND THE GOAL THEN ONCE WE GET WHAT WE FEEL IS AT THE MOMENT, THE VERY BEST THAT WE CAN DO AND THE BEST PLAN THAT WE CAN GET IN FRONT OF THE ALBANY FOR ADOPTION, WE THEN WOULD EXPECT THAT WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MISS THAT THROUGH THAT CROSSROADS, THAT WE CAN START TO THEN WORK TO BUY ADJUSTMENT AND AMENDMENT POST DUE TO THE OPTION, START TO FINESSE AND TAILOR.
AND PERHAPS WE AREN'T, WE DIDN'T RESOLVE, BUT WE'RE NOT AS COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, THINGS THAT PERHAPS WERE OFF A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, A ROOM THAT MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE, UH, OUT THERE IN THE LAND USE PLAN.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN SPEAKING WITH A PLANNING TEAM AND OTHERS, THAT WILL REALLY BE OUR GOAL HOUSE JUNE ADOPTION TO THEN IDENTIFY THINGS THAT ARE STILL HOMEWORK ITEMS PATH THAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THINGS DONE, BUT WITH ACT WITH A CONDOM HABITAT, WE REALLY WANT TO GET THROUGH OUR TASK ONE.
AND, UH, THAT'S A LIVABLE WRAPPED UP ABOUT THE THIRD WEEK OF MARCH.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THE GREEN NUMBER ONE THAT WE'RE HAVING, UH, THIS EVENING, WE LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION PERHAPS AS YOUR VERY NEXT MEETING.
UH, THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL, IF NOT, WE WOULD, WE WOULD MOVE THEM TO THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY SO THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED AND SOME OF THESE PRELIMINARY, UM, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS, UM, THAT, UH, THAT HAD BEEN ASSEMBLED UNDER STAGE TWO.
AND THE BIG TWO ON YOUR, ON YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE, THE RED NUMBERS REPRESENT JUST WORKING WITH OUR PROJECT AND IN THE CITY AND WITH NUMBERS THAT I'VE JUST MENTIONED, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING, SO THAT THEY'RE SEEING AN ALMOST A MONTHLY BASIS, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING STATUS CHECK AS TO WHERE WE ARE ON ALL OF OUR DELIVERABLES AND ALL COMPONENTS THAT ARE GOING INTO THE PLAN.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, AS WE GET INTO MAY, UH, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WE'RE NOW CRAFTING THE FINAL LAND USE PLAN, UH, CRAFTING THE MAPPING AND GIS WORK THAT GOES INTO ALL OF THAT.
AND STARTING TO THINK ABOUT GETTING IT THROUGH AN ADOPTION PROCESS BOARD, UH, AND ULTIMATELY IN FRONT OF THE ALDERMAN AND OTHER DECISION MAKERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO THAT IS THE SCHEDULE MOVING FORWARD, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY RETURN TO THAT, UM, THROUGHOUT THE EVENING, JUST SO WE CAN TALK A LITTLE ABOUT IT.
AND AS WE KIND OF FINESSED IT A LITTLE BIT MORE MOVING FORWARD, SO DATA COLLECTION, WHAT, WE'VE, WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WOULD YOUR VIEW SO FAR, UH, WHAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, I WON'T READ ALL OF THESE.
WE REALLY TRIED TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US BECAUSE ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS AND PLANS ON FILE.
UM, WE'RE GETTING MORE, UH, WE GOING THROUGH AND SORT OF SUMMARIZING ALL OF THESE AND EVEN SAYING, UH, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS THE, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT MY, MY NOTES HERE, THAT HOW WE GREW DOCUMENT, UH, CERTAINLY PAIRED MONTHLY UPDATE THAT IS AVAILABLE, THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
HE'S HAD BOONE AND MULTIFAMILY AND YOUR COMMUNITY, MANY COMMUNITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA, UH, AND TO REALLY START TO USE THAT QUALITATIVE AND QUANTITATIVE DATA TO START TO DEVELOP, UM, THAT, UH, THAT, THAT OVERALL SNAPSHOT OF YOUR COMMUNITY.
SO SORT OF THAT'S SORT OF THE FRAMEWORK AND THE ROADMAP FORWARD.
SO IN THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE WE'LL TAKE A PAUSE AND REALLY THIS BECOMES A BIG PAUSE OF THE EVENING.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, UH, THAT WE HAVE THREE SORT OF BROAD PRESSURES THAT THEY WERE HOPING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, WE CAN REALLY TALK ABOUT ANYTHING OR, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT.
UM, BUT VERY SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD HELP ME AND MY TEAM THAT WAS REALLY VERY USEFUL.
UH, NUMBER ONE, JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE TALKING TO FOLKS, UH, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY THAT YOU FEEL, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE CRITICAL AT THAT STAGE TO, UH, UNDERSTAND, UH, AND TO BE ABLE TO CRAFT THE, THE, UM, ULTIMATE DRAFT ON A LAND USE PLAN UPDATE, UH, AND, AND TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE, THE KEY FOCUS THERE, THERE IS CONCERN, YOU KNOW, IN OUR PICKUP MEETING, WE HEARD A LOT AND LEARNED A LOT ABOUT, UH, THE THREE CORRIDORS THAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN, UH, MLK 70 IMPORTANT THREE, UH, THAT A LOT OF, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT CURRENT AND FUTURE IS REALLY KIND OF HAPPENING ALONG THE CORRIDORS AND RESPECTED INTERCHANGES AND NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS IN AROUND THOSE THERE, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT EACH ONE OF THOSE, AS WELL AS OTHERS THAT
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WE HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT, AND TO BE VERY SPECIFIC AND TACTILE, UM, TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.AND THEN OF COURSE, A LOT OF NEWS, CERTAINLY OVERALL, WHAT ARE THE OTHER ISSUES AND OPPORTUNITY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT INCORPORATING TO, UM, THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT.
UM, AND, UH, AND THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THREE AREAS I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SPEND TIME WITH, WITH, UM, THE BOARD, UH, AND THE FOLKS, UH, THAT ARE PRESSING ON THE, ON THE CALL WITH YOU.
SO MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, I CAN HAND IT BACK OVER TO YOU TO FACILITATE, UM, SOME OF THE INITIAL DISCUSSION, JUST ON POINT NUMBER ONE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THAT COMMUNITY AND ALSO HOW THAT SHOULD BE APPROACHING AND TALKING TO THOSE FOLKS MOVING FORWARD.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? WELL, MY FIRST ONE WOULD BE, I READ OVER WHO DID THE 2010 PLAN.
AND AGAIN, WITH, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LEFT, BUT TOM BROUGHTON IS STILL HERE AND VERY ACTIVE AND I THINK PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO TALK.
AND IT TOM, WITH THE CITY OR HE A MEMBER THAT JUST THE AMOUNT OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, HE'S A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY IS A RETIRED MARINE GENERAL.
WELL, WHATEVER, WHATEVER BOAT, YOU KNOW, I LIFTED, UH, POCKET FOSTER ALREADY.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SCHEDULE 30 MINUTES ONE-ON-ONE FOR THE ALDERMAN AND TO HEAR THEIR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS AND IMPRESSIONS, UH, ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR RESPECTIVE, UM, PLACES OF CONCERN, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, WE NOT SPOKEN TO YOU YET.
UH, AND WE NEED TO BE, CAN GET TO TALK TO SOME OF THE OTHER STAFF, UH, AS WELL.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE SUGGESTIONS QUESTION, AND THEN WE'LL BECOME A SUGGESTION.
THEY, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, SHOULD THEY GET INVOLVED AT ALL WITH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE SEEN? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
WE THINK YOU NEED TO TALK WITH FIRE AND POLICE.
SO PUBLIC SERVICES, PUBLIC SAFETY.
STEVE TYSON, CAUSE HE WORKED SO CLOSE WITH TOM BROUGHT ME THROUGH ALL THAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE HURRICANE.
THEY SAW A LOT IN THAT AREA, OUR, UM, STATE REPRESENTATIVE, STEVE TYSON.
HE IS OUR LEGISLATIVE REPRESENTATIVE.
HE WASN'T A HOUSE AT THE TIME AND HE AND TOM ARE VERY, VERY AND DID AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK, ESPECIALLY, UM, AFTER THE FLORENCE DISASTER, ANY PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, YOU JUST COME TO MORE, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO BRING OUT INTO THE FOLD.
UM, I MEAN, I WAS STANDING OUT THERE TALKING TO THE CAPTIVE REAL LIFE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING TO FOSTER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT A NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
UH, SO OBVIOUSLY HE WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF BRING HIM INTO THE FOLD, UM, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE, FOR THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO GET HIM FAMILIAR WITH THE CORRIDORS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AS HE CONTINUES TO GET HIS, GET HIS FEET UNDERNEATH HIM.
THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION AS WELL.
AND IS THAT GEORGE OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT? THE GEORGE RETIRED AND GEORGE WAS IN A ROOM.
THIS IS THE NEW, THE NEW HIRE PUBLIC WORKS.
YOU PROBABLY ALSO GOING TO WORK ON THE TOP OF THE PARKING RACK AND THERE'S AN INTERIM DIRECTOR THERE RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE.
WE SEEM TO HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH 70 EAST CARTER WITH THE WATER SITUATION.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT INTO IT.
I WOULD SUGGEST, UM, Q OVERHAUL IS A, UM, THERE YOU GO.
I WOULD SUGGEST GENERAL Q OVERHAUL, WHO IS A GOVERNOR OF A DIVISION TO DOD EITHER RESIDENT OF OUR CITY.
HE IS INVOLVED WITH, UM, CONVERTING, UH, 70 INTO INTERSTATE, UH, 42.
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RIGHT.YEAH, I DID HEAR ABOUT THAT AND CERTAINLY THAT, THAT COULD BE TRANSFORMATIVE IN TERMS OF THAT CHANGE.
IF THIS SEEMS LIKE JAMES, THIS IS, SEEMS TO BE A TREMENDOUSLY CONDENSED PROCESS.
WHY IS IT, WHY, HOW LONG DID WE KNOW THAT THIS HAD BEEN DONE AND WHY DID YOU START JANUARY? IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE THAN A FEW MONTHS JUST TO JUST TALKING TO PEOPLE WE SUGGESTED.
UM, THE, UM, STATE SET THE DEADLINE FOR RIGHT.
UM, IT WAS A FOLLOW-ON, UM, REQUIREMENT TO A PREVIOUS REQUIREMENT FOR A LARGE OVERHAUL OF THE ORDINANCES.
UM, AND SO THEN IT WAS, WE WERE GIVEN ESSENTIALLY ONE YEAR FROM THAT POINT, UH, TO THE NEW DEADLINE.
AND BY THE TIME, I GUESS WE GOT THE RFQ AND THINGS OUT AND FINALLY, UH, NEGOTIATIONS AND WHATNOT GOT SOMEONE STARTED, UH, IT WAS JANUARY.
SO, UH, SIR, JUST TO KIND OF CLOSE THE LOOP ON SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE GAVE YOU NAMES, UM, ALVIN OUT, EXCUSE ME, AL AWAY IS THE NEW, UM, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND, UH, THE INTERIM OR THE PARKS AND REC IS, UH, CARRIE GREEN WARREN.
JASON JORDAN, JORDAN, AND WE WON'T, WE WON'T CONTINUE TO TALK WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOATS WITH AMANDA AND ANY OTHERS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF YOUR FEW YEARLY GOALS ARE ORGANIZED AROUND, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING QUALITY COMMUNITIES, BOTH ADDING THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT NUMBER OF JOBS AND THE RIGHT TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE IN PLACE, UH, THAT MAKE THEM SUCCESSFUL.
SO THEIR OBJECTIVES AND THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THAT, UH, BLEND INTO THE LAND USE PLAN UPDATE.
I'LL BE LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THOSE AS WELL.
I MEAN, CLEARLY THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING, UM, WITH WEYERHAEUSER AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE HAPPENING ARE, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S OTHER OTHERS THAT ARE UP AS WELL WITH THE CRAVING 100 ALLIANCE AS WELL, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND MAKE SURE YOU TALK TO AMANDA BEFORE FRIDAY.
SHE HAVING A BOY OR A GIRL, NEITHER NEW JOB, MIDWEST MAN.
LIKE THAT TO BE QUITE THE THEME, HE SAID, OKAY, WELL I WILL, I WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH, WE PUT TOGETHER OURSELVES A COMMITTEE TO FOLLOW.
THAT'S THE ONE OF THE NEXT QUESTIONS.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS GIVING YOU A THREE GOOD, WRONG MESS OF PEOPLE TO SPEAK WITH? MY GUESS IS THAT ONCE YOU START SPEAKING TO THESE PEOPLE, THEY WILL GIVE YOU MORE NAMES.
THAT'S THE TOPIC NETWORK, RIGHT? YEAH, MAN.
GO PACK YOUR JOHN AND, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY, UM, TAKE GREAT NOTES, UH, AND REPORT BACK TO THIS BOARD, UH, AND OTHERS, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
WELL, I THINK WITH THAT, I AGREE ABOUT HIM.
SHOW HIM, HE GAVE US A GRADE AND ALL THE MEMBERS, A GREAT STARTER LIST, UH, AND CERTAINLY A LOT OF GOOD HOMEWORK ITEMS. PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE TO 0.2 AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON SOME KEY GEOGRAPHIES, NOT, NOT, NOT EVERYTHING, UH, AND, UM, AND REALLY MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE RIGHT.
UH, AND SO WE'D LOVE TO HEAR, UM, FROM YOURSELF AND FROM YOUR BOARD MEMBERS, UH, SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS THAT, UH,
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UM, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT ON THE MAP, BUT WHEN I AND MY TEAM MEMBERS COME TO TOWN AND A COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT WERE VERY ENGAGED AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND IN THOSE LOCATIONS.WELL, I, I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY, UM, I LIVE IN WARD SIX, SO THE MLK CORRIDOR IS, IS IN MY OPINION, THAT'S REALLY AN AREA WHERE I THINK BUSINESS IS GOING TO EXPAND OUT WELL, COMING OUT OF NEW RUNE OR COMING INTO NEWBURN DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU'RE COMING.
SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, UM, HAVE HAD MULTIPLE TALKS AND, AND HEART ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY AMEX AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS OUT THERE AND TJ WHICH FALL INTO THAT CORRIDOR.
SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM OUT THERE FOR POSSIBLE EXPANSION.
UM, I KNOW IT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT, SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE THAT ON THERE UNDER UNDER 0.2.
I SAID, AND JUST AT THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, WHAT TYPE, WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE WE SEEING ALONG THAT CORRIDOR? OR IS IT MOSTLY THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS OR THE MORE BUSINESS INTENT, PENTA, WHATEVER THE, WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF PRESSURES THAT ARE AGGLOMERATING AROUND MLK AND INBOUND AND OUTBOUND? SO IT'S DEFINITELY A MIXED BAG.
UM, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT HOMES OUT THERE, YOU'VE GOT SMALLER BUSINESSES AND IT'S RIGHT NOW THAT THE ZONING OUT THERE IS A, IT'S A MIXED BAG AS WELL.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, OUR 10 OR A FIVE C5.
SO IT'S, IT'S A DEFINITE, UH, MIX OF DIFFERENT THINGS OUT THERE.
AND THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES, BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE SHEER AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT'S POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY THINK WE COULD SEE SOME BUSINESSES COMING IN THERE MORE BUSINESSES.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF AN EXCITING AREA FOR ME.
I KIND OF GET EASY ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, JUST LIT UP TOWARDS THAT WAY.
NO, THERE'S GOOD TO MY UNDERSTANDING TOO, IS THERE IS ALSO A, UM, A MALL PROPERTY THAT IT'S GONE DARK OR IT'S SORT OF LIMPING ALONG.
IS THAT ALSO A SUBJECT AREA? YEAH, THE, THE THERE'S A MALL AREA AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS USED TO JOKE AROUND ALL MY FRIENDS AND I, IF YOU SEE THE SEARS DIE, THEN THE MALLS DYING.
SO, UM, AND THEN THAT PARTICULAR FACE.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY AT THE, AT THE MALL THERE AND THEN ALSO ON WHEN BERNIE, WHICH IS JUST OFF OF THAT IN OKAY.
OR WE'VE GOT A PRETTY MUCH A SHOPPING CENTER THAT SITS, YOU KNOW, 75% UNOCCUPIED JUST BECAUSE OF THE HARRIS TEETER MOVED ACROSS THE CROSSING OKAY.
SO THERE ARE SOME DEFINITE OPPORTUNITIES THERE, AND THERE ARE SOME BIG SPACES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UH, UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR.
WE'RE NOT JUST COMING IN TO THE OUTSKIRTS OF NEWBURN, BUT, BUT IN THAT, IN THAT AREA RIGHT THERE WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING.
SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME STUFF, YOU KNOW, BE BROUGHT IN THERE AND GET SOME PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES IN THAT I THINK, UH, ALSO, UH, IN THAT VEIN, GETTING TO THE NEXT STEP WAS TO 70 CAR RIDEAU.
THIS THERE'S A BIG DISCONNECT BETWEEN SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ON AND THE CITY ITSELF.
UM, MAYBE WE'LL WANT, YOU'D LIKE TO INVESTIGATE SOME KINDS OF NEXUS THAT WOULD CONNECT THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I ALSO THINK THE 70 EAST CARTER IS HAVING EXPLOSIVE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS KEEPING UP WITH THE GROWTH AS WELL AS IT SHOULD.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN AREA THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
AND I THINK THE 70 WEST CARTER NEEDS TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL, UM, MANUFACTURING TYPE GROWTH LOOKED DOWN THERE'S THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY'RE THERE, BUT YOU'RE NOT SEEING ANY NEW BUSINESS COME INTO THEM.
ONE COMMENT ON AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
THAT'S CRAVEABLE ENCOUNTER THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ARE YOU STILL CONSIDERING THE SAME AREA THAT THE 2010 LAND USE COVERED? YEAH.
I MEAN TO THE EXTENT OF THE CITY WINNER.
THAT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT YOU'RE INCLUDING
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THE ETJ.WE ARE INCLUDING THE UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT ZONE, UM, ADDRESSED.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEING ABLE TO TAKE AS MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN VEHICLES AND WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THEM.
AND IF I CAN JUST TAKE A QUICK STEP BACK FOR MY NOTES.
SO ON THE 74 OR, UM, MATT, I'M SURE.
WHEN YOU MENTIONED INFRASTRUCTURE, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? WHAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS IT? IS IT ALL ENCOMPASSING? ARE THERE SPECIFIC TYPES THAT ARE IN THE ROADWAY CAPACITY OR ONE OR THE SHOE OR WHAT TYPES OF WATCH SINGER OR LEFT WATER STORE? AND THEY'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING THEIR BEST TO GET THE 40, 42 CARTER BUILT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE ARE HAVING AN AWFUL LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON FROM BASICALLY THE, UM, CUNNINGHAM BRIDGE EAST.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OR TWO YEAR DISCONNECT FOR A LOT OF THE, THE, THE COMMUNITIES AND SUCH A VISUAL CENTER ON EITHER SIDE OF 70.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IT'S A SHORT-TERM THING, BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING OF FOR TWO YEARS, IT'S GOING TO BE A GIANT AGGRAVATION.
AND WHAT ABOUT ON 40 40? UH, YEAH.
ANY, I MEAN, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS ABOUT PENCILING? OKAY.
AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT, I MEAN, 3000 ACRES I THINK IS FROM MY NOTES.
UM, PRETTY EXTENSIVE AREA, ANY OTHER FOCUS AREAS OR, YOU KNOW, CROSSROADS THAT ARE JUST AREAS OF, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE, UM, 10 D HEIGHTS OF A DEVELOPMENT FOCUS, HIGHER DENSITY, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE MULTI-FAMILY THAN THERE'S A RAIN ARRANGED AROUND TRANSIT, UH, UH, PUBLIC SERVICES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT FOOD AND OTHER SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PARK OR GREENWAY FACILITIES, ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, REALLY STRATEGIC AREAS THAT WE CAN THINK OF.
UH, TWO AREAS IN DOWNTOWN NEWBURN THAT ARE VERY MUCH UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES.
AND RIGHT NOW THEY ARE BEING WORKED ON WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.
BUT I THINK THOSE COMMUNITIES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT IN GENERAL.
VERY, VERY TYPICALLY THEY HAVE BEEN PROMISED TO BOONE AND GOTTEN NOTHING AND THEY'RE REALLY IN NEED OF A LOT OF HELP AND A LOT OF GUIDANCE.
SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE DUFFY FIELD AND THE REALLY LOOKED OUT THOROUGHLY.
CAUSE YOU DON'T, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, A CITY IS ONLY GOOD AS THE LOWEST INCOME POPULATION, PLACES TO LIVE, AND WE'RE NOT BEING VERY GOOD WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THEY HAVE TO WITH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A PART OF I'M GONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A PART OF THE WORK ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU HAVE LEFT TO DO THIS, UH, WITH ALL THE BUILDING GOING ON OR THEY DO SUBDIVISIONS, WHICH THEY ALSO BRING IN WATER PROBLEMS ON SIP OFF OF 70, ON SUNDAY TO DO SOMETHING, TO VISIT THESE BELTS.
THESE, WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS OF THAT IN THE PAST.
WHAT ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT THIS HAS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS COMMITTEE FOR THIS THING? SO NOW WE HAVE ENOUGH, I'M GOING TO BUILD A LOT SCHOOL.
UM, THERE'S SOME DIVISIONS, WE HAVE ENOUGH SCHOOLS AND PLACES IN DESKS AND PIECES TO TEACH.
THESE KIDS ARE GOING TO HAVE A PRIVATE SCHOOL SUPPOSEDLY IN THE WAREHOUSE, BUT NOT EVERYBODY WOULD GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOL.
SO IT MIGHT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS MONEY RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
I MEAN, I, I, WE JUST, JUST ON THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CERTAINLY WAS BROUGHT UP THAT, UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL WAS
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UNDER, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE NEW CHARTER SCENE IN WEST NEWBURN, BUT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY OR HISTORICALLY A LOT OF SCHOOL PLANNING HAS NOT SERVED THEM WHEN IT WAS SOME COMMUNITY PLANNING.UH, AND SO I PROBABLY CAN'T DO A REALLY DEEP THOUGHT.
I THINK THAT SOME OF THE KEY FOCUS AREAS, UM, IF THEY'RE UNDERSERVED, IF WE HAVE FAMILIES MOVING INTO THESE AREAS THAT WERE UNDER UNDERSERVED BY SCHOOLS OR ROADWAYS, OR MEANS TO GET PEOPLE TO, AND FROM THE QUALITY SCHOOLS THAT WERE THERE, THAT'S KINDA KIND OF BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
BUT THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE HAD LATELY, UM, IT'S PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT, ONE OF OLDER, AND WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH A LARGE DEVELOPER TO USE PART OF UNION POINT PARK, WHICH IS THE MAIN DOWNTOWN PARK TO BUILD A NEW HOTEL, WHICH WOULD HAVE TAKEN AWAY WATERFRONT ACCESS FOR THE POPULATION OF NEWBURGH.
AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CITY COME TOGETHER SO FAST AND MY WIFE, SHE FINDS THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF WATER ACCESS.
THIS IS A VERY WATER ORIENTED COMMUNITY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE ON THE WATERFRONT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THEIR KAYAKS OR WHATEVER, OR EVEN JUST GO FEED THE DUCKS HERE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I NOTICED IN THE 2010 PLAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS.
AND I THINK THAT'S A CONTINUING CONCERN, THE LAWSON CREEK THAT COULD BE BETTER.
AND THAT DREAM SOME WAR THERE LOOK INTO AREAS WHERE PEOPLE COULD WALK AND HIKE, UM, JUST GOES TO SOME PRETTY, VERY PRETTY SCENERY HERE THAT WE ON RIGHT NOW DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO.
AND I'M, I'M A, I'M A BIG WATERFRONT GUY THAT, YOU KNOW, AS MATT KNOWS, I WORKED WITH HIM IN, UH, THE CITY OF ELIZABETH CITY WATER FROM MASTER PLAN AND I'M WORKING IN A BENEFIT RIGHT NOW ON THEIR WATER FROM MASTER PLAN.
SO I AM ALL ABOUT PUBLIC TO THE WATER'S EDGE.
SO WASHINGTON TOO LITTLE, YEAH.
ALL OF THE WORK THAT HAPPENED IN LITTLE WASHINGTON THAT THE WORK THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, UH, AS WELL, SO HUGE ADVOCATE OF PUBLIC ACCESS, UH, AND ALSO THESE DAYS MAKING THE WATERFRONT OF FAITH TAPING EDGE, AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN WITH SOME OF THE, UH, THE STRESSES AND SHOCKS THAT ARE HAPPENING, WHETHER THEY'RE WEATHER OR WIND OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
WHERE I THINK, I THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN, OTHERS HAVE A, UH, ADDITIONAL QUARTERS AND, YOU KNOW, TH THIS IS THE END DISCUSSION, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M SURE THINGS WILL COME UP OR LIKE, OH, FEEL FREE AT ANY TIME TO LET MATT KNOW OR SET OR REACH OUT TO ME DIRECTLY.
I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS LOCATION AS WELL.
IF YOU COULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE ANALYSIS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, BOARD MEMBERS OF MEN, MEN OF CHAIRWOMAN, THE OTHER KIND OF KEPT ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE OTHER ISSUES AND OPPORTUNITIES? I MEAN, I THINK WE WE'VE COVERED SOME OF THAT GROUND TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS, TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABILITY, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE SOME OTHER POTHOLES OR POP OF GOLD THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS WE START TO CRAFT THE PLAN AND PULL THINGS TOGETHER? I THINK WE'VE PRETTY WELL COVERED.
IT, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD STUDY IS NUMEROUS INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
UM, I AM FROM CHARLOTTE AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE ROADS HERE ARE WORSE THAN CHARLOTTE, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UH, BUT THEY'RE DOING BETTER EVERY DAY THOUGH.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THOSE, BUT I JUST WENT FROM SHERIFFS SPRAYING AND I MET THE ADVAN FLYER, NOT STOP SHARING MY SCREEN.
WE'LL COLLECT TWO THERE GOING TO GO INTO THIS APP AND CLICK THAT THING.
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IT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF CIRCLE BACK AROUND WHERE WE BEGAN IN TERMS OF OUR TIME WITHIN FORD LIFE TO GET TOGETHER, UM, AS A GROUP OR, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EMPOWER A SUBCOMMITTEE? UM, THAT IS A MEETING WITHOUT PHONE, UH, YOU KNOW, MONTHLY, OR EVEN PERHAPS A BI-WEEKLY BASIS AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE COURSE OF THIS PROJECT.UH, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO, UM, TO EITHER OF THOSE SCENARIOS.
AND THEN WE BROUGHT THE ANCHOR DOWN, MAYBE THE NEXT TIME THAT WE, UH, WE'D GET TOGETHER, UH, AS A GROUP TO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S YOUR NEXT MEETING OR IF THAT THE MEETING IN MAY, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING AND WORKING QUICKLY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING AS MUCH CONVERSATION, UH, UH, ABOUT THESE TOPICS AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
WELL, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE, SOMEONE EITHER THE HOME OR SHOULD MEET AT LEAST BI-WEEKLY, I THINK WE NEED TO, WE CAN'T LET THIS GO BY WITHOUT MONTH BY MONTH BECAUSE NOTHING.
DO YOU WANT, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE GROUP.
DO YOU WANT TO APPOINT THREE PEOPLE TO BE THE COMMITTEE, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO WORK ON IT AS A BOARD? CAN I JUST SAY HAVE THE WHOLE BOARD, WE AIN'T GOING TO HAVE TO DO NOSES.
IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO GET FREE PEOPLE WHO CAN SIT AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO IT.
ANYWHERE ELSE TO SHOW UP THOUGH.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE SHOULD MEET AT LEAST EVERY OTHER WEEK.
SO STEPHANIE TRACK AND THEN MARCUS, IF YOU, IF, UH, THAT'S GREAT.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, MATT OR MATT, I'M SHARING, IF YOU DON'T EMAIL ME, UM, THE BEST CONTACTS FOR PHYLLIS GROUP, UH, I'LL SET UP, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, MEET THE BEST NEEDS FOR US TO COMMUNICATE WHETHER IT SAYS YOU'RE GONNA CALL OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THEN CERTAINLY COORDINATE A COUPLE OF WEEKS WHEN I'M ON THE GROUND THAT WE ALL GET TOGETHER.
AND, UH, AND, AND MAYBE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE SITES, OR AT LEAST CERTAINLY TALK AROUND COFFEE.
UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED SO FAR, THAT'S WHY, AND THEN MEETING SORT OF, UH, BIWEEKLY.
UM, WHEN SHOULD I COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, GIVEN OUR TIMELINE, DO WE WANT TO GET TOGETHER, UH, AT THE FULL, AS ME BEING A PART OF YOUR AGENDA AT YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING? OR WOULD YOU RATHER WAIT FOR THIS? OKAY, WELL, YOU GOT TO MARCH THAT A SPECIAL CALL.
THAT ONE, THEY HAD SAID THAT THEY WOULD JUST GO AWAY.
I THINK, I THINK YOU, AS I SAID, WE SHOULD MEET TWICE A WEEK AND WE HAVE TO COORDINATE, HOW ARE WE THE BEST WAY TO COORDINATE IS GENERALLY LOOKING AT YOUR CHILD.
NEED TO HAVE YOU COME TO OUR NEXT TWO BOARD MEETINGS, APRIL AND MEDIC.
THAT MAY CHANGE, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOUR TIMELINE.
IF, UH, IF I WORK WITH, UH, THEFT BECAUSE OF DATE, I'LL CERTAINLY FEW, WE CAN MAKE THEM BOTH WORK.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, WE NEED TO MEET WITH YOU
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THEN.I'M THINKING THAT, THAT BY JULY, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO FINALIZE THE PLAN SOMETIME IN THE MIDDLE OF JUNE.
I THINK WE HAVE VERY NICELY, THE FIRST AGENDA ON THE AGENDA FOR THE ALTRO AT YOUR MEETING, YOU WOULD RECOMMEND IT TO BE ADOPTED, SENT THERE TO ME THAT THERE JUNE POS, THAT THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETIMES THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN MAY.
YES, PRETTY MUCH WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY.
SO WHEN DID HE SAY THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE HERE? BOOTS ON GROUND.
I SAID, MARCH, WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO COME TO ME OVER? I WAS PLANNING ON COMING MID MARCH.
UH, I HAVE NOT SET A DATE, BUT I WILL SAY HOP OUT OF HERE, STOP SHARING.
UH, I WILL SAY THAT MOST LIKELY THAT I WOULD BE THERE.
UM, WE COULD HAVE 21ST, SOME POINT, UH, ONE OF THE DAY, THE WEEK OF THE 21ST.
YOUR COMMITTEE'S GOING TO MEET IN TWO WEEKS, BUT YOU PUT IT AROUND THE WEEK OF THE 14TH AND THEN MEET HIM THE NEXT WEEK, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE DOING UNTIL THE WEEK OF THE 21ST TO GET SOME GUIDANCE.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT, THAT WE KIND OF START WITH EASE HERE.
THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO START THIS DISCUSSION, BECAUSE AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE JUST SITTING AROUND.
LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION THOUGH, SCOTT.
UM, IS THERE SOMETHING, UH, THAT THE, UH, COMMITTEE COULD WORK ON ON THE 14TH OR THE WEEK OF THE 14TH, UM, BEFORE YOUR ARRIVAL OR, UH, I LIKED IT IN TERMS OF A HOMEWORK TIME OR GETTING TOGETHER VIRTUALLY? YEAH, I THINK SO.
UM, IT'S NOT COMING TO MIND IMMEDIATELY, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THIS CALL AND KIND OF WORKING ALL THE NOTES AND, UH, LET ME, LET ME, UM, LET ME CRAFT A COUPLE OF THINGS TO DO AND, UH, AND SEND THOSE THROUGH THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION SO THAT YOU CAN IN FACT BE HELPING IN THAT REGARD.
AND THEN A FOLLOWUP TO THAT IS, UM, WERE YOU THINKING THAT YOU WOULD BE VIRTUALLY ATTENDING THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS OR IS THIS YOU'RE THINKING THE COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THEIR OWN, UH, PERHAPS PUT SOME STAFF SUPPORT? SO I WAS THINKING ON THE, ON THE BIWEEKLY MEETING THAT IT WAS VIEWED, THAT WOULD USUALLY BE, UM, A VIRTUAL LEAD, UH, THROUGH A CONFERENCE CALL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS TRIP ON THE WEEK OF THE 21ST, UM, WE'D WANT TO GET TOGETHER, UH, OFFERABLE.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, I'LL LOOK IN THE CALENDAR AND SEE IF I CAN BE, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT THE NEXT TWO, PLANNING, APPLE, LOOK AT OUR BUDGET AS WELL, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT'LL BE THE GOAL.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, MATT AND CHAIRWOMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS, HOPEFULLY YOU ALL FELT THIS WAS A PRODUCTIVE, UH, HOUR DISCUSSION, UH, AND THAT YOU FELT THAT THE AGENDA THAT I OUTLINED IN TERMS OF BRINGING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW QUICKLY WE GOT TO DO IT, UM, UM, WAS INFORMATIVE, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO ROLLING UP MY SLEEVES ALREADY ROLLED UP, BUT CONTINUE TO KEEP MY SLEEVES ROLLED UP, WORKING WITH EVERYBODY ON THE PRIME.
UH, THANK YOU FOR DESIGNATING A WORKING COMMITTEE.
I THINK THAT'LL CERTAINLY BE VERY EFFECTIVE, UH, AND, UH, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE AND WE'LL GET SOME OF THESE DATES NAILED DOWN OFF TO THE READY.
WELL, NICE TO MEET EVERYBODY VIRTUALLY I'LL LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING EVERYBODY IN PERSON THAT WE, YOU GET THE AUDIO WORK DOWN.
YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD TUESDAY NIGHT.
YOU ANY COMMENTS? IT'S A VERY SHORT TIME.
WE HAVE TO COVER A LOT OF FACES THAT ARE PRACTICAL.
THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED AT LEAST EVERY TWO WEEKS.
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WE'LL SEE, ALWAYS CONSIDER A COOK THE BORDER FULL OF THEM ABOUT THREE MONTHS TO FINALIZE ON APPLYING CONSULT THAT THEN YOU HAVE TWO MONTHS TO WRITE IT UP.WE'VE GOT THREE MONTHS TO GET A FINAL PRODUCT.
YOU HAVE TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD.
1ST OF JUNE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY TALL, OR I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THEIR BONES AND FLESH IT OUT WITH YES, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR INTENTION AT THIS POINT.
UM, I'VE UH, OF FROM DAY ONE, UH, AS INTERIM, I MENTIONED TO FOSTER THAT, UM, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WHATEVER WE HAVE, UM, IN, AT THE BEGINNING OF JUNE PENCILS DOWN AND WE HAVE TO ADOPT THAT.
AND THEN, UH, AFTER IT'S ADOPTED AT THE END OF JUNE, THEN WE CAN PICK UP OUR PENCILS AGAIN AND MAKE REVISIONS THAT WE FELT LIKE WE WERE MISSING.
AND MAYBE THAT EVEN GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO KIND OF THINK THINGS OVER A LITTLE BIT.
UM, OH MAN, WE'VE GOT THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE POTENTIAL RIGHT THERE TALK THAT'S RIGHT.
AND, AND THAT'S AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? PROBABLY COUNTY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE TO LOOK AT A MAP CAUSE I CAN'T THINK OF, WELL, HOW, WHAT PART OF 43 IS CITY, RIGHT? WHERE WE CAN GET THE ETJ AS WELL.
AND PART OF THAT FOR PART OF 43 IS WITHIN THE TJ.
SO THIS IS AGAIN, OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD KIND OF THING.
YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH, YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH MORE THINGS AND THAT'S AGAIN, GOOD THING WE HAVE TO EVERY OTHER WEEK, UM, SCENARIO.
SO WE'LL MEET FORMALLY EVERY TWO WEEKS.
BUT I THINK TALKING, I THINK THE FOUR OF US NEED TO GET OVER AND TALK ABOUT OUR AVAILABILITY TO SEE IF WE CAN'T FIND A DAY AND TIME EVERY TWO WEEKS THAT WORKS WITH US ON OUR CALENDARS BEFORE THEY GET A LOT MORE.
SO, UM, WHAT I ALSO REALIZED IS EVERY TWO WEEKS, MY FRIEND INTO YOUR SAME WEEK AS YOUR PNC MEETING.
SO WHETHER OR NOT YOU GUYS ARE NOT INDIVIDUALLY CAN'T DO OR YOU DO IT BEFORE OR AFTER THE BMC MEETINGS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT OUR TASK AT HAND? OKAY.
[4. Board member comments.]
TO BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
WE HEARD A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AT THE LAST TELLING US THAT THE SIDES CONSTRUCTION AT THE BLUE WATER RIGHTS IS NOT BEING BUILT, COMPLIANT TO THE PLAT STUFF THAT WE APPROVED AND THAT THERE ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS CONCERNING DRAINAGE AND WHATNOT.
AND IT'S SO PROBLEMATIC THERE THAT IT MAY IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CAN REVIEW THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE HEARD DOES HE HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT OR NOT.
AND THEN IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH IT, HOW CAN WE MAKE THE DEVELOPER CLIENT TO THE PLAQUES THAT WE APPROVED? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THE DATE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION IS BEING BUILT AS PER THE FACTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED SPECIAL ENGINEER SAID CERTAIN RETAINING WALLS, WRONG, BOTH WHEN THEY WERE ON THE, ON THE THING THAT GRADING WASN'T BEING DONE PROPERLY.
AND THERE ARE SERIOUS ISSUES WITH LANDING GOALS.
ALSO, WE WERE ALSO TOLD THAT TO SYDNEY ROAD THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BUILT UP TO SNUFF WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS PICTURES AS WELL.
I'M DOING SOMETHING TO THE FACT THAT WE APPROVED NOT BEING COMPLIANT TO IT.
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DOES THIS, THE CITY AND THE ZONING BOARD HAVE COME ON BOARD, WE APPROVE ONE THING AND SOMETHING ELSE IS BUILT SOME STANDARD.UM, WE ARE WORKING AT THE MINUTE TO, UM, WE'VE MET WITH THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR HERE CAUSE WE, THEY ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE HOUSES WERE NOT BEING BUILT PROPERLY.
UM, HE'S REASSURED US THAT THEY ALL BUILD TO THE MINIMUM BUILDING CODE.
I KNOW WHICH IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED, BUT THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO, WHEN HE LAYS OUT A PLANT AND PEOPLE BUY PROPERTY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT WITH SURFACE RETAINING RULES AND GRADED A CERTAIN WAY.
AND IT'S NOT BEING, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A HOME BEING BUILT UP TO NORTH CAROLINA, BUILDING CODE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE THEREFORE LAYING DOWN FLAT AND NOT BEING BUILT AT ALL.
I WILL SAY I GAVE THAT HUSBAND AND WIFE MY CARD AND ASKED THEM TO PUT TOGETHER A SHORT EMAIL OF SOME OF THEIR COMPLAINTS, SEND IT IN, I'LL GET THE BALL ROLLING, WHICH THEY DID NOT DO.
I NEED TO CALL THEM ANYWAY, JUST TO REACH BACK OUT.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SET UP A MEETING WITH THEM, UM, BUILDING INSPECTOR AND, UH, GEORGE CHARLES FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND WE CAN ALL TALK AND ALL THE ENGINEERS IN THE SAME ROOM AND TO SEE IF THESE ARE LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
ONE THING THAT IS STILL PUBLIC RADAR NOW, ABSOLUTELY VERY MUCH.
UM, WE HAD DINNER WITH ANOTHER COUPLE, A COUPLE OF FRIDAY NIGHTS AGO, AND WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT NEW BURDEN GROWTH.
AND SOMEBODY SAID, DO YOU REMEMBER ? I SAID, YES, I'M GETTING VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
AND HE SAID, UM, ACID GOT YOU TOTALLY TOOK HIM OUT THERE AND SHOWED HIM ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE OUT THERE.
AND HE SAID, I HAVE ANOTHER FRIEND.
WHO'S A REALTOR WHO WILL NOT SHOW ANYTHING IN BLUE WATER RISE BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
IF IT COMES UP IN A SOCIAL SITUATION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
WE ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WATER SUPPLY, SOME KIND OF LOOP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE.
AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TRYING TO GET SOME EASEMENT WHILE THE WATER SITUATION HAS IMPROVED OUT THERE.
THIS ADAM TONIGHT IN DELAY OF GETTING AN EASEMENT FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO ON THE PROPERTY TRYING TO GO THROUGH IS A FOURTH PROPERTY.
UH, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT? UM, GOT EMAIL ALL THREE OF YOU GUYS FROM JORDAN.
UM, I ASKED HIM AFTER THE LAST WEEK, HE COULD GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON THE WATER LOOP.
SO YOU SAID SEVEN QUICK UPDATE ON THE WATER.
WE GET SOME FEBRUARY BOTTOM WATER.
MAIN ALIGNMENT HAS BEEN AGREED TO BY THE IMPACTED PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WAITING ON SURVEY FILES.
THIS SECTION OF THE WATER MAIN ALIGNMENT AT THIS POINT, 90% OF THE WATER MAIN DESIGN HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
AND ONCE WE HAVE THE REMAINING SURVEY DATA, THE DESIGN PLANS WILL BE COMPLETE AND THE PROJECT WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR PERMITTING WITHIN 30 DAYS OR TARGET SCHEDULES TO HAVE THE PROJECT AT FORBIDS AND A CONTRACT ISSUE FOR THE WORK BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS JULY ONE.
YES MA'AM DON'T WE HAVE SOME MORE SUBDIVISIONS WITH COMING UP FOR APPROVAL.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SUBMITTED YET.
AND THEN WE CAME BACK TO THE WATER WAS DONE, BUT THE WATER HAS IMPROVED FROM THE MEETINGS.
AND I SAID THAT, YEAH, IT'S BACK.
I MEAN, IT'S BETTER THAN WISE.
YEAH, I HERE'S, HERE'S THE QUESTION.
AND THE CONUNDRUM ONCE THEY, ONCE IT ZONE AND THEY MEET THE ORDINANCES, OUR HANDS ARE TIED AND THIS HAS GOT TO BE DEVELOPED BY SIDES, CONSTRUCTION AGAIN, AND WE HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE.
AND WHEN DO YOU THINK IT'D BE ABLE TO GET, GET THIS BOARD BACK AND LOOK FOR ON HOW THE BUILDING IS COMPLIANT TO THE, UH, THE PLANS THAT WE APPROVED? SHOULD WE GO APPROVING MORE AND MORE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THEY'RE NOT BUILDING THEM UP TO SNUFF, IT'S GOING TO GIVE THIS TO BE A BLACK FOR THE RECORD.
WE'VE HAD ONE, ONE COUPLE, COME IN AND TELL US THAT THE HOPE TO THE PLACE OF THE LICENSED CONTENT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, GEORGE CHARLES HAS AN INSPECTOR OUT THERE.
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THERE'S RETAINING WALLS IN THE PLAN AND I'M NOT BEING BUILT.I DON'T WANT THIS INSPECTOR TO SEE ENOUGH PETITION.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THIS STUFF'S REFERRING TO, BUT THE ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS HAS GOT SOMETHING OUT OF THERE EVERY DAY SO THAT WE'LL, WE'LL GET WITH THEM AND GET A REPORT BACK TO THEM.
I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION IS TO GET A LIST FROM THESE PEOPLE.
AND THEN WE'LL SIT, WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS AND FINDING OUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TRUE.
MAYBE WE NEED TO GET IT REALLY ADD OUT EXACTLY WHETHER HE SENT ME TO.
I KNEW THAT WE NEED TO BE BROUGHT.
WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THE STORY.
IT MAY NOT BE YOU MAYBE, RIGHT, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE BEST PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW ON THE MARKET.
SO THIS IS A REAL HOT PROJECT.
MIGHT BE EXAGGERATED, I SUPPOSE.
SUPPOSE WE FIND OUT THAT THINGS ARE NOT QUITE WHAT THEY SHOULD BE.
IS THERE A WAY TO, FOR THE CITY TO PUT A MORATORIUM ON, MORE BUILDING UNTIL THINGS ARE STRAIGHTENED OUT THE BOARD OF, AND ONCE I CAN DO MORE 21, WELL, WE CAN MAKE THIS PLANNING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF LAW TO DO SO AND GIVE THEM A BILL TO PETITION OF ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO THE DUTIES AND THE POWERS OF THIS BOARD ARE SET FORTH IN THE NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL STATUTES IN SECTION ONE 60 D AND ALSO IN THE NEW-BORN CODE OF ORDINANCES SPECIFICALLY IN SECTION 1520.
AND THOSE POWERS AND DUTIES ARE AS FOLLOWS TO PREPARE, REVIEW, MAINTAIN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT YOU JUST PARTICIPATED IN TO FACILITATE COORDINATE SOME CITIZEN ENGAGEMENT IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, UM, TO DEVELOP POLICIES AND ORDINANCES, TO CARRY OUT THINGS IN AN EFFICIENT MANNER, TO ADVISE THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN CONCERNING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF PLANS TO EXERCISE ANY FUNCTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DELEGATED TO YOU BY THE GOVERNING BOARD AND TO PERFORM ANY OTHER DUTIES THAT HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH DELEGATED TO YOU BY THE GOVERNMENT BOARD IN THIS CONVERSATION, IF THERE ARE CITIZENS WHO ARE UPSET OR HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, THERE ARE CITY ENTITIES, SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC WORKS IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT HAD THE EXPERTISE AND RESOURCES TO INVESTIGATE AND TO REMEDY THOSE ISSUES.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR EXACTLY.
SO THE APPROPRIATE THAT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES IS TO ENGAGE THE PROFESSIONALS, CITY ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
ALL OF THOSE IN ALL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO GO TO THE SITE, EVALUATE IT, LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTATION THAT'S ON FILE AND MAKE AN ASSESSMENT.
IF IT BEARS OUT THAT THE CONSTRUCTION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN, THEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THE EXPERTISE CAN BRING THAT TO THE FLOOR.
AND IF THERE'S ISSUES BONDING, OR IF THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF, UM, PERMIT REVOCATION, THOSE CITY DEPARTMENTS CAN INSTITUTE THOSE CHANGES.
AS FAR AS IT RELATES TO THIS BOARD'S ABILITY TO INVESTIGATE, TO COLLECT EVIDENCE, TO REQUIRE TESTIMONY.
I DO NOT SEE THAT WITHIN THE POWERS THAT HAVE BEEN CONFERRED UPON THIS BOARD, BY THE LEGISLATURE OR THE BOARD OF ALL OF THEM.
SHE SAID THAT WORD POLICY THAT WE CAN, THE POLICIES WE DON'T, I DON'T LIKE VOTING ON THINGS IN THE DARK LIKE WE WERE DOING ON A POOR WATER SUPPLY DEVELOPMENT, A VERY LARGE DEVELOPER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FOREST.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE THAT, UM, INVESTIGATED MYSELF.
WELL, YOU CERTAINLY HAD THE ABILITY AS A PART OF THIS BOARD TO GO OUT AND GATHER INFORMATION.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO TO BLUR WATER RISE WITH THE CONSENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, GEORGE SHAW IS ONE OF THE CITY ENGINEERS.
UM, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.
YOU WANT TO GO SPEAK WITH JORDAN HUGHES? YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THIS BOARD, AS AN ENTITY, AS A BODY PART, AS, AS A PUBLIC BODY, HAVING THE POWER TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION, I DO NOT SEE THAT OUTLINE AS ONE OF YOUR STATUTORY OR ORDINANCE AUTHORITIES.
DO WE HAVE THE, THE POWER TO ASK FOR AN INVEST INVESTIGATION TO BE INITIATED? I DO NOT SEE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, OR I WAS, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S PART OF THE POLICY WORK.
THAT'S WHAT, THE WORD THAT, THAT, UH, WE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE POWER POLICY.
I, I CAN'T SEE HOW YOU ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES.
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YOU CAN DEVELOP POLICIES TO INFORM ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES.YOU CAN'T DEVELOP POLICIES ABOUT HOW TO RUN A CITY THAT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE BOARD BALDWIN, WHICH IS NOT THIS PHYSICAL ENTITY.
SO SET, GETTING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU AND HAD AFTER THE LAST MEETING, WHEN WE WERE KIND OF WALKING OUT.
UM, I THINK THAT KIND OF SATISFY, I THINK YOU AND I NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT WE DIDN'T RAISE CONVERSATION.
SO YOU AND I KIND OF CAME TO A MUTUAL, I GUESS, AGREEANCE THAT THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THIS WOULD BE TO KIND OF DO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING NOW, WHERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR INSPECTORS OUT THERE.
YOU'RE PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT MORE OVERWATCH THAN NORMAL.
UM, WE ALL KNOW EVERYBODY SITTING IN HERE KNOWS SOME DEVELOPERS DO IT BETTER THAN OTHERS.
UM, I'M NOT MAKING AN EXCUSE FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUILDER, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT AT THIS POINT, BASED ON WHAT CITY ATTORNEY JUST SAID, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS I DON'T WANT US TO OVERSTEP OUR BOUNDS.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, IF YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE OVERWATCH AND JUST ENSURE THAT THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, UM, AND AGAIN, INVITE THOSE FOLKS OR OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE BUYING PROPERTY OUT THERE TOO, TO COME TO YOU GUYS AND SAY, HEY KNOW, UM, HERE'S THE CONCERNS WE HAVE.
THE OTHER THING I, WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, UM, GETTING THAT PARTICULAR ALDERMAN THAT, THAT COVERS THAT ONE BOARD GET THEN INVOLVED, THAT THEY MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION.
I MEAN, I SIT JUST AS SHE DOES EVERY OTHER TUESDAY AND THOSE OLDER MEN, THAT'S PART OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO ADDRESS THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST KINDA MY TAKE ON, I DON'T WANT TO OVER, I DON'T WANT US TO OVERSTEP AND I DON'T WANT US TO BE BACK IN A CORNER WHEN WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE APPROPRIATE AVENUES TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.
I MEAN, AM I, AM I WRONG IN SAYING THAT AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BACK IN A CORNER.
AND I ALSO, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARITY, I HEARD THE COUPLE THAT CAME TO THE LAST MEETING AND HEARD SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY RAISED.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN THIS CONVERSATION THAT THEY'VE SET THIS TRYING TO FACILITATE IS THE PLANS THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO, WHETHER THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE PLATS THAT WERE ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, OR IF THEY'RE REFERRING TO PLANS THAT WERE MARKETING OR APPETIZERY IN NATURE THAT WERE UTILIZED TO INTRODUCE PEOPLE PURCHASE PROPERTY.
THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO IF THE BUILDER IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE PLAN OF RECORD, THAT'S ONE ISSUE, BUT CERTAIN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY AND THE ROAD MAPS WHERE YOU'RE GRADING OR GIFT WHEN'S, THE BUILDER IS NOT BUILDING THE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THEIR MARKETING LITERATURE.
THERE ISN'T, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT.
AND THEY'RE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND FORCEMENT MECHANISMS OR REMEDIES THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE TO INDIVIDUALS WHO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE AGREEING.
SO I THINK IT'S, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE THICKNESS OF ASPHALT.
UH, THAT'S NOT, NOT IN A MARKETING PLAN.
WHAT I WILL ADD THIS IN THE CITY HAS NOT ACCEPTED THE KIND OF WAYS.
THEN WE HAVE TO BEAR THAT IN MIND WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE ANALYSIS.
SO BE THAT AS IT MAY, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO ALL BE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT THEY'RE COMPLAINING MAYBE LEGITIMATELY, SO THAT THE DEVELOPMENT, ISN'T WHAT THEY BOUGHT, THEN OUR PROBLEM, THAT THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM.
WE CAN'T GO TO FIGURE OUT AND WE NEED TO PROBABLY GET ANSWERS TO THAT QUESTION.
AND THAT MAY BEAR OUT IN THE CONVERSATION THAT SETH IS TRYING TO FACILITATE.
BUT THE ROADS ARE BASICALLY RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY AND THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND THERE WAS A BOND IN PLACE THAT, FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THOSE STREETS IN THE EVENT THAT THEY'RE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY.
SO UNTIL UNTIL THE CITY ACCEPTS THOSE STREETS, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY IN MAINTAINING THOSE STREETS.
AND IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS STILL BEING BUILT, THERE MAY BE PATCHING OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO THOSE STREETS BEFORE,
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YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS FINISHED.IT'S A KIND OF CIRCULAR LOGIC WHERE WE APPROVE A PLAQUE.
THE PLAQUE WAS PRESENTED THAT THESE WORLDS WOULD BE ADOPTED BY THE CITY TO BECOME CITY ROADS AND HAVE A BUILT UP TO SNUFF THING.
HE SAID, WELL, IF WE HAVEN'T ACCEPTED THEM YET, THAT LEAVES US IN A RATHER DUBIOUS POSITION ETHICALLY I WAS DONE.
UM, SO THE DEVELOPER PROVIDES A BOND FOR ALL OF THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND ONE SECOND.
AND DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, THAT'S WHY THE INSPECTORS ARE OUT THERE.
THEY ARE CHECKING TO VERIFY THE CONSTRUCTION AS IT'S BEING BUILT.
BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, FOR EXAMPLE, A STREET OR EVEN A SEWER PIPE, YOU CAN'T KNOW HOW IT WAS BUILT, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME VERIFICATION AS IT'S BEING DONE.
YOU CAN'T KNOW BY STANDING ON THE FINISHED STREET, THAT IT HAS SUCH AND SUCH THICKNESS OF TOP COAT, SUCH AND SUCH THICKNESS OF, YOU KNOW, THE BASE ROCK, ET CETERA.
UM, SO THE INSPECTORS ARE OUT THERE TO VERIFY THAT AS THEY BUILD IT, AND THEN HE'S GIVEN THEM THESE PROPERTIES CEO'S.
AND FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS VERY OPEN THEN AS WELL.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ONCE WHEN THE CITY ACCEPTS IT, THEN IS THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE ON CITY ROADS.
AND IF PEOPLE ARE BUYING THAT PROPERTY, BASICALLY THEY WERE ALL GOING TO BE, AND THAT'S STILL TRUE.
SO WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE AND DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S STILL BEING BUILT.
YOU APPRECIATE THAT EVERYTHING IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT COMMUNITY IS NOT FINISHED, AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE BOND IN PLACE.
SO IF THE STREET HAS NOT BEEN PUBLICLY DEDICATED THAT DEVELOPER'S ON A HOOK AND TILL THAT THOSE STREETS WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY, THEY BEAR THE LIABILITY, WHICH FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE IS NOT GOOD FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSES.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY VERY INTUITIVE AND LOGICAL THAT YOU WOULD FINISH THE DEVELOPMENT.
AS SOON AS YOU CAN, YOU WOULD COMPLETE THE STREETS AS SOON AS YOU CAN, SO THAT YOU CAN RELEASE YOURSELF FROM THE LIABILITY AND THE CITY OWNS IT.
SO AS THESE PHASES GO ON, YES, THEY'RE NOT PUBLICLY DEDICATED STREETS YET, BUT IN DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND PURCHASE A PROPERTY THERE, YOU CAN LOOK OUT AND SEE THE QUALITY OF THE STREET BEFORE YOU PURCHASE THE HOME.
SO IF YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO ACCEPT THESE, THESE CORRECT.
AND ONE OF THE FEATURES, ONE OF THE FEATURES THAT WE'RE PROBABLY ALL BEEN SEEN BEFORE ARE THE STREETS THAT DON'T HAVE THE TOP COAT ON THEM, AND PEOPLE ARE DRIVING TO THEIR HOMES AND ALL THE VARIOUS SUBDIVISIONS BACK THERE.
AND THEN THE MANHOLE COVERS WERE STICKING UP AN INCH OR TWO OR SOMETHING, RIGHT.
YOU'VE SEEN ALL THOSE KINDS OF ROADS.
SO THAT WILL HAPPEN UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE, UM, PAVING THAT TOP COAT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION IS OVER, UH, LEAVES THOSE ROADS UP TO, UM, DAMAGED BY ALL THE MAJOR LARGE TRUCKS THAT ARE STILL BEING USED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, AND SO, UM, THAT ISN'T TYPICAL SITUATION FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UM, POTENTIALLY ANOTHER REASON WHY THEY DO MORE CUL-DE-SACS BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN FINISH THAT ONE OFF BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE ALL THOSE HOUSES BUILT ON THAT CALL, THE SECOND ONE, WE CAN FINISH THAT ONE OFF.
UM, BUT, UM, THE MAJOR COLLECTORS CALL THEM THAT ARTERIAL COLLECTOR ROADS.
UM, THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE REMAIN IN THAT CONDITION UNTIL THE VERY END WELL LIVING IN A CONSTRUCTION ZONE.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS THE END NEAR THE COMPLAINT WAS INDICATED THAT HE BELIEVED THE BOATS WERE BUILT UP TO THE LEVEL.
I THINK HE SAID SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT THE CURVE IS ESTABLISHED AND IS ABOUT TWO AND FLIP TO THE THREE AND FLIP ON THE CURVE.
YEAH, OFTENTIMES IT'S TWO, UH, TWO INTERESTS.
SO LIFT FROM THE, FROM THE GUTTER ONTO THE ROAD FOR THAT TOP COAT AT THIS POINT, THE MISSING THIS LED TO THIS INVESTIGATION, JUST DOUBLE CHECK.
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HI VIEW COMPLETELY.AND IT'S GOING TO FINISH UP WITH LIKE 10.
SO IF ANYTHING, THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE FINISHED.
MOST OF THAT SIZE AND THE PLANS TO NOTE HOW MANY MORE EASIER TO DEVELOP.
UM, WE ARE NOT SURE YET THERE IS, UM, A SECTION IN THE BACK THAT IS JUST, UM, TITLED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US ANY INDICATION ON WHAT EXACTLY THAT PRETTY BIG, IT'S PRETTY BIG.
BUT IT'S STILL, IF IT'S 70% DONE, THAT'S GOOD.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IT IS? MAYBE LOOK IT UP AND IT PROBABLY DEPENDS ON HOW THE HOUSING MARKET HOLDS UP.
WAIT UNTIL THAT BUBBLE BURST AND THEN IT'S LIKE, OH, YOUR ROAD, WE DO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE ROADS THAT ARE BOUND.
IF WE HAVE 120%, SO FAR EVERYTHING THAT YOU FOUND, IF THE DEVELOPER IS MEETING ALL OF THE CRITERIA, IF SUPPOSED TO MAKE MAY NOT BE THE GREATEST, BUT HE'S SPEAKING TO THE BASE CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT IT'S, I KNOW EVERYBODY THAT SITS IN HERE, IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO SWALLOW THAT PILL.
BUT IF THEY MEET THE WICKETS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'VE HEARD THAT, HEY, THEY NEED THE WICKETS.
IT'S, IT'S KINDA HARD TO, TO REALLY HOLD SOMEBODY, SPEAK TO ANOTHER TYPE OF FIRE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO HOLD THEM TO BECAUSE I'M WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE, THEY CAN GO TO THE LICENSING BOARD FOR CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, YES.
THE QUESTION HAS TO CLARIFY, YOU HAVE SYDNEY HAS A BOND, RIGHT? IF, UH, INFANT, WHEN THEY FINISHED AND THE STREETS ARE DONE PROPERLY WITH THE CITY, THEN ACCEPT THEM AND USE THE BOND MONEY TO FIX IT.
OR WILL THEY JUST NOT ACCEPT? WHAT IS HIS DONE AND COMPLETED? IF THE CITY SAYS, YES, THESE WERE BUILT UP TO NOT, AND WE WILL ACCEPT THE ROADS, THE ACCEPT, THE ROADS, GIVE THEM THE MONEY BACK, TURNED TO BOND.
AND THE CITY WE'RE GOING TO THE WAY THE BOND IS CALCULATED.
UH, WHEN THEY GET THE MONEY BACK, IT, THE ROADS HAVE TO BE REPAIRED BEFORE THEY GET ALL THE MONEY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, A BILL'S SUBDIVISION, AND THEN BEFORE THE ROADS ARE COMPLETE, GO BANKRUPT AND DON'T EXIST ANYMORE.
USUALLY THAT'S WHAT THE BOND IS FOR.
USUALLY IT'S NOT THE FIX STUFF THAT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY, BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED, WOULD THE CITY SAYING JUST INSISTENT EVERYTHING WOULD BE DONE PROPERLY OR I'LL JUST TAKE IT OVER.
[2. Approval of Minutes: 02.01.2022]
THE MINUTES FOR THE FOSSILS I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, PUT FORWARD A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED OR SECOND DISCUSSION.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, OPPOSED THE NEXT WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.