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[1. Opening of Meeting with Roll Call]
US TO ORDER, SIR.CAN YOU TELL US IF WE HAVE A FOUR VOLVO CIRCLING DR.
RUTH COX FOR AS IT TRIP YOU'RE HERE.
PEGGY BROADWAY, LENNY BRIAN HERE, ELLEN SHERIDAN, AND THAT'S STONE.
SHE SAID SHE'D BE HERE SO SHE MAY BE LATE, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT.
[2. Approval of Minutes of Previous Meeting(s)]
TO DISPENSE WITH THE READING OF THE MINUTE.I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.
THE MOTION TO PASS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION
[3.A. Hearings: Introduction, Swearing-In, Summary of Process]
COMMISSION IS A PUBLIC COMMISSION APPOINTED BY THE CITY OF NEW HAVEN BOARD OF ALDERMAN.IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING AND SAFEGUARDING NEWBORNS LOCALLY, DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICTS, DOWNTOWN AND RIVERSIDE BASED UPON US DEPARTMENTS OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, STATE STATUTES, SYDNEY ORDINANCES, AND YOU BURNS HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
TWO OF THE MAJOR TASK OF THE HPT INCLUDE APPROVING APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PREVENTING DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES DUE TO NEGLECT HPC HALLS, A QUIP PLAZA, JUDICIAL HEARING ON APPLICATIONS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSION HEARS SWORN TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICA BY PARTIES WHO HAVE RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING AND BY OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND ARE AFFECTED DIRECTLY BY THE APPLICATION.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT CONSIDER COMMENTS BASED ON PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES HEARSAY.
OUR PERSONAL OPINION THAT CANNOT BE DIRECTLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
LIKEWISE, COMMISSIONER SHALL REFRAIN FROM STATING PERSONAL OPINIONS, PERSONAL LIKES OR DISLIKES ARE HEARSAY DURING THE HEARING.
THE COMMISSION'S DECISION ON APPLICATION IS BASED SOLELY ON TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT A HEARING THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THE STORE GUIDELINES.
AT THIS TIME, WE WILL SWEAR YOU AND ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO MAKE ANY PRESENTATION TO NOT.
IF YOU WILL COME FORWARD THROUGH THE MIDDLE HERE AND SIGN IN.
IF YOU ARE HAVING US LOOK AT ANY OF YOUR WORK, THEN YOU NEED TO COME.
AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, JUST PRINT YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS SO TONIGHT IS EVERY NIGHT THAT WE NEED MEAT.
I'LL GO OVER THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE TO NOT THE HBC ADMINISTRATOR PROVIDE THE OVERVIEW OF AN APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTS THE APPLICATION PROFILE AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE HEARING CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE OTHERS.
UH, REBUTTAL IS ALLOWED BY THE APPLICANT AND BY PROPONENTS AND OPPONENTS WHO RECEIVED NOTES, OTHERS WHO CAN JUSTIFY THAT THEY HAVE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED AND CAN PRESENT EVIDENCE.
THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR PRESENTS THE STAFF'S FINDINGS TO THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THE ADVOCATE,
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OR THE REPRESENTATIVE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS ON THEIR APPLICATION.COMMISSIONERS, DISCUSS THE EVIDENCE AND MAY ASK FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR THEIR PRESENTER, THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION WAS STATED.
FINDINGS OF THAT, THE MOTION IS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSIONERS, THE CHAIRMAN CALLS FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION BY THE COMMISSION.
IT CAN BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OR IT CAN BE DENIED.
SO WE WILL GO TO THE FIRST APPLICATION, WHICH IS 5 21, 8
[3.B. 521 E. Front St. – to include a new roof structure for the garage, metal roofing, and new wood, hinged garage doors in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs.]
FRONT STREET.LET'S START WITH THE, UM, APPLICATION AS WE SEE ON THE SCREEN.
SO FOR 5 21 EAST FRONT STREET, THE APPLICANT IS MS. SYLVIA WHITFORD AND THE APPLICATION INCLUDES AN ATTACHMENT AS WELL AS THE GUIDELINES AND THE DESCRIPTION, THE MATERIALS.
THIS IS THE DESCRIPTION OF WORK.
WE HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE SUBJECT LOCATION.
UH, THIS IS A, UH, FORMER GARAGE, UH, WHERE THE ROOF HAS, UH, BEEN REMOVED OR SOME TIME AGO.
AND THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THE ROOF, UH, AS IT WAS, AND ALSO ADD GARAGE DOORS ON THE FRONT.
AND SHE PROVIDED A SKETCH, UH, IT'S PRIMARILY SHOWS THE GARAGE DOORS AND THESE GARAGE DOORS ARE HINGED ON THE SIDES, UH, NOT THE TYPICAL OVERHEAD DOORS.
UH, AND SO IT'S DOUBLE, DOUBLE DOORS IN EACH CASE AND EACH, UH, PAIR OF WOOD DOORS, UH, UH, HAS WINDOWS IN THE TOP AS WELL.
AND THEN, UH, WE PROVIDE THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW.
OH, AND I GUESS I SHOULD, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MATERIALS.
SO, UH, THE INTENT IS THAT THE, UH, MATERIALS ARE WOOD METAL AND BRICK.
UH, THERE'S SOME INFILL OF BRICK AT THE BACK WALL.
UM, AND THEN, UH, LET'S SEE, AT THIS TIME THERE ARE THREE BRICK WALL STANDING THAT WAS ONCE A GARAGE CIRCA 1916 TO 24.
THE ROOF HAS BEEN GONE FOR MANY YEARS, BUT IS OBVIOUS THAT IT HAD A SHED ROOF.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THE SHED ROOF WITH ONE AS NEARLY THE SAME AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING A METAL ROOF.
IT WOULD BE A FOUR BY EIGHT TO SUPPORT THE TWO BY SIX RAFTERS OVER THE DOORS.
AND I WOULD LIKE ALSO LIKE TO REPLACE THE DOORS USING WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN USED IN 1924 WITH RESEARCH.
I LEARNED GARAGE DOORS OF THAT AREA, USED DOORS HINGED ON THE SIDES.
UH, AND, UM, LET'S SEE, SHE INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION, THE GUIDELINE FOR THE METAL ROOFING THAT WE HAD 5.4 0.5 0.4.
AND I THINK TRIP AND MEMORIZE.
SO GOING, SORRY, DOWN, BACK DOWN TO THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT, UM, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS SAID THAT IT DOES MATCH THE ZONING OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND THE TWO BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID THAT IT DOES REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE READY TO PROVIDE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS WHO HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THIS PROJECT? SEEING NONE.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS WHO HAVE ANY ISSUES ON THE APPLICATIONS COMPLETENESS KNOW? SO MAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT'S WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED? ARE YOU NOT, ARE YOU NOT THE PERSON? YES.
CAN YOU GO AND HELP HER? SO SHE ASKED HIM IF HE HAD ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.
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OKAY.WE'LL JUST STAY RIGHT THERE FOR A MINUTE.
JUST STAY RIGHT THERE FOR A MINUTE.
SO THERE, ARE THERE ANY OPPONENTS OUT THERE THERE'S ONLY THREE OTHER PEOPLE TO THIS.
ARE THERE ANY PROPONENTS? I SEEING NONE.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS REBUTTAL.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE RELEVANT EVIDENCE WE'RE STANDING? I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE.
IS THERE ANY CITY, STATE, GOVERNMENT PEOPLE? THERE'S ONLY THREE PEOPLE THERE.
THEY'RE NOT RAISING THEIR HAND.
SO ARE, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D WANT TO SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME? NO.
YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT THEN YOU CAN SIT BACK DOWN.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE'VE SEEN THIS IN DESIGN REVIEWS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? UH, THEY'LL HEAR THAT IF WE WENT OVER THIS IN DETAIL AND DESIGN REVIEW, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE MANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO.
MAY I CALL FOR A MOTION? WAIT A MINUTE.
THAT WAS WHAT YOU RECOMMENDED.
YEAH, WHAT'S UP WHAT YOU GOT TO SAY.
SO, UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR MS. SYLVIA WHITFORD, UH, AND HER, THE PROJECT ADDRESS IS 5 21 EAST FRONT STREET.
THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE CHARLES SLOVER KITCHEN, QUARTERS AND SMOKEHOUSE.
UH, AT LEAST THAT'S THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS A GARAGE THAT'S, UH, ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE HAVE A FOR CONTRIBUTING.
THE HOUSE IS YES, CONTRIBUTING, UH, THE GARAGE POSSIBLY DUE TO ITS AGE.
UH, AND SO THE NATIONAL INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003 SAID THAT IT WAS THE HOUSE ITSELF WAS BUILT 1848 TO 49 AND DESCRIBES THE HOUSE.
BUT, UH, THERE IS NO DESCRIPTION OF THE GARAGE, THE SANDBAG DESCRIPTION FROM 1988, UM, ALSO HAD NOTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT GARAGE, UH, NEITHER WITH THE KITCHEN AND QUARTERS NOR WITH THE CHARLES SLOVER HOUSE, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT GARAGE ACTUALLY INITIALLY WAS BUILT AS AN ACCESSORY TO THE CHARLES SLOPE, THE NEIGHBORING CHARLES SLOVER HOUSE.
SO 10 BACK DOESN'T HAVE THAT ON THERE EITHER.
SO THE PROJECT 5 21 EAST FRONT STREET IS 22 DAY NEW ROOF STRUCTURE FOR THE GARAGE METAL ROOFING AND NEW WOOD HINGE DOORS IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
SO STEP SUMMITS AND FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.2 FOR MODIFICATIONS, 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.3 FOR WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS, 4.3 0.34 ROOFS 4.5 0.1 4.5 0.4 FOR MASONRY 5.1 0.1 5.1 0.2 AND 5.1 0.4.
AND FOR PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 AND 5.4 0.4.
THE STATEMENTS ARE REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE, NOT THE NARROW STITCH, BUT THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE TERTIARY ABC PROPOSAL IS PROJECT TO REPLACE A LONG DRAWN ROOF AND GARAGE DOORS FOR A HISTORIC GARAGE, PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES.
THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY FIVE.
THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVED THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A NEW ROOF STRUCTURE FOR THE GARAGE METAL ROOFING AND NEW WOOD HINGED DOOR, HINGED GARAGE DOORS IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
NOW AGAIN, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS PROJECT? UH, UM, NORMALLY WE ASKED THE APPLICANT IF THEY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT THIS POINT, AND THEN YOU MAY WANT ASK HER AGAIN AND I MAY HAVE RAISED SOME QUESTIONS AMONG THE HPC MEMBERS AS A RESULT OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE
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YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? YEAH, NO.DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS DID WE DETERMINE HOW THE ROOF IS SLOPED? IS IT DROPPING? IS IT FLAT? IF YOU BRING UP THE PICTURE IS GOING ALONG WITH THE LINE OF THE WALL AS SHE DREW IT, IT'S GOING TO BE SLOPING.
BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO, CAN YOU GO BACK, YOU SEE IN THAT BATHROOM WALL WHERE THERE'S A LINE THAT GOES DOWN THAT SLOPES DOWN, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO ON.
DOES THAT HELP YOU WITH A THANK YOU? YOU NEED THE BODY ELSE.
SO IT'S WHAT WOULD BE CALLED A SHED ROOF.
IT'S FLAT, BUT SLOPING AND FROM A HIGH POINT AT THE FRONT TO THE LOWER POINT AT THE BACK.
I MOVED THAT WE FIND THE APPLICATION FOR PROPOSED OR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 5 21 EAST FRENCH STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEW BURNS CODE OF ORDINANCE SECTIONS, 15 DASH 41, 1 TO 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEW BURDENS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT GUIDELINES BEING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, SIX POINT OR 2.6 0.2 MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 AND THREE WINDOWS AND DOORS, 4.3 0.3 ROOFS 4.5 0.1 AND 4.5 0.4 MISSIONARY 5.1 0.1 AND 5.1 0.2 AND 5.1 0.4, PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 AND 5.4 0.4.
THE STATEMENTS OF REASON, OR SHE HAS BEEN IN STATEMENTS OF FACT PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE TERTIARY IN THE TERTIARY.
ABC PROPOSAL IS A PROJECT TO REPLACE A LONG ROOF AND GARAGE DOORS FOR HISTORIC GARAGE, POSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY PROJECTS, NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS? CAN I HAVE A SECOND I'LL SECOND, SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A CLA SOME MOVE SO MOVES OVER HERE TO THE RIGHT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND OVER HERE TO THE LEFT AND ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.
YOU COULD ISSUE A COA SO YOU CAN GET YOUR COA IS PASSED.
MA'AM THAT'S THE SIGN AND YOU CAN GET WITH HIM ABOUT IT.
AND I'LL BE SENDING YOU THE SEAL.
[3.C. 720 Pollock St. – to include a front porch reconstruction, new rear fencing, and new patio paving in all AVCs.]
POUCH STREET.FOR SEVEN 20 TULLOCH STREET HERE, WE HAVE THE APPLICATION FOR JACOB AND JENNIFER GILLRAY.
UH, THEY HAVE THEIR, UM, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM AGS HOME SOLUTIONS.
UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE PARTS ONE, TWO AND THREE ARE ALL FILLED OUT WITH THREE.
SEE ATTACHED FOR THE MATERIALS.
UM, THIS, UH, TO NOTE IS THAT THE APPLICATION MENTIONS THE INCLUSION.
IT MENTIONS THE INCLUSION OF PERGOLA AND A SHED.
THOSE ARE, I HAVE BEEN REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE APPLICATION ONE SECOND HERE ON THE SECOND.
AND THE NEXT PAGE IN THE MEANTIME, THIS IS THE, UM, SURVEY THAT WAS DONE FOR THE PROPERTY AS WAS REQUESTED AT OUR FIRST DESIGN REVIEW MEETING.
UH, AND THEY DISCOVERED THAT THEY COULD NO LONGER FIT THE SHED AND THE PERGOLA IN THE BACKYARD.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'VE BEEN REMOVED.
UH, WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS IF YOU WANT.
UM, UH, TO NOTE HERE IS FROM THE FRONT WALL OF THE HOUSE, UM, TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS 4.9 FEET.
ALL RIGHT, THEN, UH, THIS WAS THEIR ORIGINAL SKETCH OF THE VARIOUS PROJECT PARTS, UM, LABELED WITH LETTERS, ABCD IT'S A LITTLE
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BIT, UM, OUT OF FOCUS AND BECAUSE IT WAS ENLARGED.SO A IS THE YELLOW AREA ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, B IS THE FENCING THAT IS THE OTHER YELLOW AREA ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRAWING.
AND THEN DOES A REVERSE L BACK INTO THE HOUSE, UM, SEE AS LAWN AREA, WHICH HAS SHOWN WITH CROSSHATCHING D IS, UH, UH, PAVING AND GRAVEL, UH, THE PAVING AREA, OR IS IT, IT MAY JUST BE GRAVEL AROUND THE HPAC UNITS AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, AS WELL AS UNDERNEATH THE STAIRWAY ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE DRAWING.
AND THEN E IS THE DREAM AREA OUT FRONT, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, SOME, UH, NEW BRAKE PAVING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE E AREA.
AND THEN THE VERY THIN, UH, STRIP OF GREEN GREEN IS SOME LANDSCAPING.
UH, THE RED CIRCLE IS GONE FROM THE PROJECT.
OH, AND HERE'S, HERE'S THE LEGEND FOR THAT.
SO HERE'S WHERE THEY REQUESTED THAT THEY RE REMOVED FROM THE APPLICATION, THE STORAGE SHED AND THE PERGOLA, UM, AND THEN ADDING ANOTHER GUIDELINE TO THE APPLICATION FOR THE FRONT PORCH ROOF.
UH, NEXT, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE PLANTINGS ARE PLANNING ON PUTTING ALONG BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE DRIVEWAY AT, FOR LETTER A AREA, THE LETTER B WAS THE FENCING AND TO BE PLACED ON THE RIGHT PROPERTY LINE.
AND IT, UH, OR THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, UH, WOULD BE WOODEN PICK IT'S 36 INCHES TALL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEHIND THE, UM, FACE TO THE, UH, FRONT FACE OF THE HOUSE PICKETS, UH, ONE AND A HALF INCHES IN BETWEEN THE SLATS AND EIGHT FOOT WIDE GATE AT THE DRIVEWAY MADE OF THE SAME MATERIAL AND PRIMED ON ALL SIDES AND PAINTED WHITE.
SO THIS IS THE, UM, UNTIL RECENTLY THIS IS THE FENCE THAT WAS THERE UNTIL RECENTLY, AND IS TO BE REPLACED BY THE NEW FENCE.
UM, SO THAT'S ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE.
UH, HERE'S THE SKETCH THEY HAVE FOR THAT PICKUP FENCE, PLUS EIGHT FOOT WIDE GATE, UH, SHOWING THREE FOOT HIGH DIMENSION.
UM, AND THIS SHOWS WHERE THE GATE WOULD BE IN THAT REVERSE L UH, THAT WE SAW ON THE PLAN, UH, ESSENTIALLY AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, UH, THE EXISTING GRASS WOULD BE, WOULD REMAIN EXCEPT FOR THE PIT, THE AREA WITH PAVERS, UH, THAT WAS THE OTHER YELLOW LINE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD.
UM, AND SO THESE ARE THE PAVERS THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THAT AREA.
AND THEN THE GRAVEL, UH, LANDSCAPE FABRIC AND GRAVEL, UH, GOES AROUND THE TWO MECHANICAL UNITS THERE, AND THEN UNDERNEATH THE WHITE STAIRCASE THERE.
AND LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DETAILS THERE? OH, THEY'RE ALSO PLANNING PUTTING US THE SAME PICKUP FENCE AROUND THE MECHANICAL UNITS.
I THINK I NEED TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT PAINTING THAT A WHITE THING IN THE BACK OF A, ON THE BACK WALL, UH, LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THEY'RE GOING TO REMOVE SMOLT STUMPS, REMOVE UNLEVEL BRICKS, UH, AND THEN EXTEND, UH, AND THEN, UH, UH, REPLACE SOME OF THAT AREA WITH NEW LEVEL THAT BRICKS.
SO, UH, WE'LL SEE THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY ALSO ARE MENTIONING THE FRONT ROOF.
UM, THEY INTEND TO EXTEND THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH ROOF, WHICH AS A HIP ROOF, ACROSS THE HOUSE USING THE SAME MATERIALS STANDING SEAM, AND THE STEPS ARE TO STAY AS THEY ARE IN THE AREA TO THE LEFT ON DOWN AT GROUND LEVEL WILL REMAIN A SITTING AREA ON THE BREAK.
SO THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE FLOOR OF THE EXISTING STOOP, NOR ARE THEY CHANGING THE ACTUAL STEPS.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING FRONT OF THE HOUSE, AND THEY'RE INTENDING TO EXTEND THIS SMALL LITTLE ROOF TO THE LEFT ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT CORNER, SOMEWHAT
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SIMILAR TO, THEY SHOW A SMALL LITTLE PICTURE HERE, UM, OF A SIMILAR SITUATION IN THE DISTRICT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A BIGGER IDEA, WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE.IT WOULD BE STANDING SEAM ROOFING MEETING 4.5 0.4, UH, AND THEY WOULD BE USING A SIX BY SIX WOODEN POSTS PAINTED WHITE, AND THE STEPS WOULD BE STAINED GRAY.
AND SO HERE'S THEIR SKETCH OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, SO, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT THE DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, UH, UH, POTENTIALLY NOT REMOVING THAT WHITE POST THAT IS SHOWN SCRIBBLED OVER.
UM, BUT, UH, UH, AND, UH, IT'S, UM, MISSING, SAY A HEADER ACROSS THE TOP OF THOSE IN THE SKETCH, BUT, UH, THIS IS TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY HAVE IN MIND AND YOU CAN SEE THE STEPS, UM, COME DOWN AND THERE'S STILL QUITE A BIT OF SPACE TO THE LEFT OF THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THE NEXT GROWING COMES IN.
SO, UM, THIS, UH, RED MARKER ON THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE REPRESENTS WHERE THE NEW BRICK WOULD BE TO CREATE BASICALLY EXTEND THAT LANDING OUT AS A SMALL SEATING AREA OUT FRONT, AND THE, UH, DIRT BETWEEN THAT AND THE SMALL LITTLE GARDEN WALL WILL BE PLANTED WITH, UM, BOXWOODS AS WELL AS THE SAME PLANTING AREA IN FRONT OF THE STEPS.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW.
SO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR SAYS THAT IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID IT WILL NEED A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE FRONT PORCH RECONSTRUCTION.
OTHERWISE I'M READY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN YOU ARE.
SO ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST FROM ANY MEMBERS SEEING NONE? ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE APPLICATIONS COMPLETENESS? DOES THE APPLICA WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID? ARE THERE ANY NOTIFIED PROPONENTS AND OUR AUDIENCE OPPONENTS HIDING WITH RELEVANT STANDING? YOU DON'T SEE ANY TO ANYBODY FROM THE STATE, THE CITY OR THE GOVERNMENT WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? I SEE IT.
SO COULD WE HAVE THE STAFF FINDINGS? I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT AND FORGET YOU TO STOP.
SO FOR JAKEMAN JENNIFER GIVEAWAY THEIR PROJECT THAT SEVEN 20 PALLEX STREET, BUT START PROPERTY NAME IS THE HILL RENTAL HOUSE.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION FROM 2003, AS THE HOUSE BUILT ABOUT 1880 TO 1890.
IT'S TWO STORIES, THREE BAYS WIDE SHED, ROOF ENTRANCE PORCH, AND THE RIGHT FRONT BAY BACK IN 2003, BRACKETED EVE'S GABLE, FRONT ROOF, AND INTERIOR CHIMNEY, THE SAND BECK DESCRIPTION FROM 1988, UH, PULLING FROM EXCEPT FROM THERE, IT'S DISTINGUISHED BY ITALIANATE STYLE, BRACKETED, CORNICE, ALTHOUGH ALTERED AND ENLARGED DURING THE 20TH CENTURY, IT RETAINS MUCH OF ITS INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR DETAILING.
EVIDENCE IS STILL VISIBLE IN THE FRONT.
GABLE INDICATES THAT THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY HAD CORNICE RETURNS AND DECORATIVE SONG BARGE BOARDS, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL GABLE TREATMENT OF 7 21 POLLOCK STREET OF ABOUT THE SAME DATE OF NOTE ARE THE SIX OVER SIX SASH, THE FRONT ENTRANCE DOOR WITH ITS ARCH UPPER PANELS, A FULL WIDTH FRONT PORCH ORIGINALLY SHELTERED THE FACADE.
SO FOR SEVEN 20 FOLIC STREET, THE PROJECT IS TO INCLUDE A FRONT PORCH RECONSTRUCTION, NEW REAR FENCING, AND A NEW PATIO PAVING IN ALL ABCS.
SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION.
LANDSCAPING 2.4 0.3 FENCES IN GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1 2.5 0.3, DESIGN PRINCIPLES 3.1 0.1 3.1 0.5 MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.3 AND 3.2 0.4 ADDITIONS 3.3 0.2 3.3 0.3, WALLS TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION 4.2 0.1 4.2 0.4
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ENTRANCES 4.4 0.1 4.4 0.2 4.4 0.4, BRUCE 4.5 0.1 4.5 0.4 WOOD 5.2 0.1 5.2 0.2 PAINT 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 5.4 0.4.STATEMENTS OF REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE ONE.
THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN ALL ABCS.
THE PRO PROPOSAL IS A MODIFICATION PROJECT.
THE PROPOSED THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE, EXCEPT FOR THE CLARIFICATION OF SOME DETAILS FOR THE FRONT PORCH.
THE APPLICATION IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE A FRONT PORCH RECONSTRUCTION, NEW REAR FENCING AND NEW PATIO PAVING IN ALL ABCS OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE COA IS NOT VALID UNTIL THE APPLICANT PROVIDES MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE DETAILS OF CONSTRUCTION, THE FRONT PORCH TO THE HPA WHO WILL REVIEW AND APPROVE WHEN APPROPRIATE.
SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? UM, JUST SORRY, IF YOU COULD COME UP HERE TO TALK WITH THEM.
SO THE LAST OF APPROVAL OF THE MATERIAL, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THAT I CAN ANSWER RIGHT NOW? IT'S WORTH OF MATERIALS.
SO MAYBE WE GO AND GET APPROVAL.
W WE MAY HAVE SOME, ONCE WE GET TO OUR DISCUSSION, BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SAY RIGHT NOW? OKAY.
SO YOU DID JUST STAY RIGHT THERE.
SO MEMBERS, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK THE GENERAL? YEAH, JUST ONE.
WHEN, WHEN THEY KNEW A ROOF IS COMPLETED ON THE FRONT PORCH ARE ALL THE VESTIGES OF THE SHORT EXISTING WHEN GONE.
SO IT JUST APPEARS LIKE THERE'S ONE ROOF THAT, YES, SIR.
IT'LL BE ONE ROPE THERE JUST CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND IT'LL BE A STANDARD SAME ROOF.
AND WE WILL DO A SMALL HILL WHEN HEN YOU'VE SEEN THAT.
I'M SURE A LOT OF THE HISTORIC HOMES LIKE THAT SITE.
W WHAT, WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATION DID WE HAVE AT DESIGNED REVIEW ABOUT HOW THIS PORCH MODIFICATION, UM, APPEARS IN THE PRIMARY AREA OF VISUAL CONCERN? YEAH.
SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT A FRONT PORCH ADDITION.
IS THERE GOING TO BE THE NEW CEILING PUT IN OR IS IT GOING TO BE THE RAPPER? IT'LL BE A WOOD SILLY TALKING GROUPON WITH SILLY.
UM, SAM BECK DESCRIPTION SAYS A FULL WIDTH FRONT PORCH, ORIGINALLY SHELTERED.
THE FACADE I GOT THAT, UM, 18 80, 90 HAS THE GRAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN? THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SPACING ON THE COLUMNS THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, FRAMING THE WINDOWS VERSUS THE ACTUAL SKETCH THAT WAS ON THAT.
I KNOW THAT MATT, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT, UM, THAT IT, IT LOOKED THAT THE CENTER ONE LOOKED OFF KILTER BECAUSE IT WASN'T CENTERED BETWEEN THE WINDOWS OR THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME WAY TO BALANCE THIS.
SOMEHOW, I THINK HE MADE A COMMENT WHILE I GO TO WHERE IT WAS IN THE NOTES.
THAT'S MAYBE NOT DO AWAY WITH THE ONE COLUMN THAT WAS MARKED OUT THERE.
AND IF WE KEEP THAT COLUMN THERE, THEN JUST ALONG THE CORNER WOULD BE ALL WE NEED.
WE WOULDN'T NEED ONE BACK IN THE CENTER THERE.
YOU TAKE THE ONE CALL A MILE, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO LEAVE THE ONE CALL ON THEM.
YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE OTHER ONE OFF TO THE LEFT DOWN.
HE KEEPS RUNNING STOP, STOP RIGHT THERE.
SO IT'S FAR FROM THE PICTURE I PRINTED.
IT WAS HARD TO SKETCH THIS OUT, BUT THE FIRST POST WILL BE MORE TO THE END OF THE HOUSE OR JUST INSIDE IT WHERE A KID HAS AN END OF THE HEEL.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE TO THE LEFT OF THAT WINDOW, MORE OR LESS CENTERED BETWEEN THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND THE SIDE OF THE WINDOW.
IF WE HAVE THE NEXT POST, THAT SUPPOSE WOULD BE CENTERED BETWEEN THE TWO WINDOWS.
AND THEN WE COULD OF COURSE KEEP IT TO CLOSE ON THE LANDING.
IT'S JUST, JUST SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SET A LANDING IS NOT CHANGING.
SO THE NOW, MATT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU SHOWED
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WAS I HOUSE NEARLY A GRAY.THIS HOUSE IS MUCH ELEVATED, AND THAT'S A WAY DIFFERENT, THE WHATEVER EXAMPLE YOU SHOWED, WHERE ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THIS HOUSE? THAT THE, THAT THERE'S NOT A LANDING COMPLETELY UNDERNEATH THE PORCH? IS THAT WHAT THESE ARE? THEN? THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF A FULL WIDTH PORCH.
UH, THIS WAS REPRESENTED AS A FULL WIDTH PORCH AND SHOWING HOW A HIP ROOF LOOKS THERE.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE AN EXAMPLE OF A FULL WIDTH PORT WITH A HALF A LANDING AND POST THAT TALL WITH A HOUSE THAT TALL OFF, LIKE, I I'D LIKE TO SEE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A REALLY SIGNIFICANT FRONT TO JUST BE.
AND THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS HARD.
THE HOUSE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE EXAMPLE IS ON GRADE.
SO THAT CAN DO A FULL PRO HORDE.
THAT ONE IS HIGH ENOUGH THAT EVEN IF YOU DO A FULL FRONT PORCH, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WORD ON THE STEPS.
BUT EVEN IF YOU, I MEAN, LIKE YOU WANT JUST LOOKING AT LIKE, WHAT IF YOU EXTENDED TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU COULD GET THE STEPS UNDERNEATH THE PORCH WOULD BE LIKE THE FIRST THING I WOULD TRY TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND, BUT THAT DID NOT MAKE FAVOR OF THIS AT ALL.
THE STEPS MAY NEED TO MAKE THE TERM LIKE, CAN'T THEY GO END UP OUT ON THE SIDEWALK IS THE PROBLEM.
SO THE STEPS ALREADY MAKE A TURN IN THE SENSE THAT AFTER WHERE THE LANDING IS, THERE MAY NEED TO BE A SECOND LANDING THAT SMALLER, SMARTER.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ROOM FOR IT.
I REMEMBER LOVING, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND DOES THAT GIVE YOU THE TIME BEFORE THERE WASN'T ROOM FOR THIS? IT WAS THIS ONE HERE.
SO YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS, YOU HAVE TWO, TWO MORE STEPS BETWEEN THE LANDING ON THE SIDE, BUT THAT SECOND STEP IS, UM, A LANDING AT PRACTICALLY A LANDING IN ITS OWN, RIGHT? SO THERE MAY BE, UH, SOME SPACE TO PICK UP OR TO BE MORE RISERS, I SUPPOSE.
WELL, THERE'S SO, BUT THERE'S ROOM TO BRING THAT LANDING OUT, AS FAR AS YOU COULD, TO THE EDGE OF WHEREVER THIS RED SPOT IS.
LIKE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THE WHOLE STAIR RISER UNDERNEATH THAT PORCH THEN, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GO OUT TO THE STREET, UNLESS YOU DIDN'T DO A SMALL TURNS, BUT TO LIKE CUT THAT IN HALF AND JUST HALF A STAIR LANDING BEING UNDERNEATH THAT PORCH.
I DON'T THINK HE WOULD SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO RIGHT NEXT DOOR, UM, THIS IS SIMILAR, BUT NOT EXACT EXAMPLE.
I HAVE TO GET OUT OF THIS AND I GRABBED THAT AHEAD OF TIME.
SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT HOUSE HERE.
BUT THAT, THAT LANDING IS COMPLETELY UNDERNEATH THAT.
SO THEN OVER HERE, THIS HOUSE ACTUALLY HAS DOWN ON THIS LEFT SIDE, DOES HAVE THE STAIRS STARTING UNDERNEATH THE PORCH.
UH, THESE LOOK VERY STEEP, UH, BUT TO THE EDGE OF WHERE THE OVERHANG, RIGHT? SO THIS IS SIMILAR, ALBEIT IT'S A VERY MINOR, VERY SMALL OR A VERY SHORT DISTANCE OF THE PORCH THAT'S ESSENTIALLY AFFECTED OR DONE IN THAT WAY.
AND IN THIS CASE, THE STAIRS EXIT INTO THE DRIVEWAY, INTO THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY.
SO NOW GOING BACK TO THIS HOUSE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DOOR IS ON, THIS IS, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S DRIVEWAY HERE.
UM, AND SINCE THE DOOR IS ON THE SAME SIDE AS THE DRIVEWAY, THEY CAN'T DO THAT HERE.
UNLESS YOU PUT THE LADDER IN, I SUPPOSE, BUT YEAH.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU MAKE THAT IMAGE SMALLER FOR A SECOND? I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT BLOWN OUT.
OH, YOU MEAN ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT PRESUME ANYWAY, HERE, RIGHT NOW THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S SET BACK FAR ENOUGH WHERE THEY CAN HAVE FULL PORCH AND THE STEP AND THE LANDING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MORE TYPICAL, BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT THIS CASE, SO THAT CAN ACTUALLY WORK, UM, FOR THESE PEOPLE.
NOW, WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THE INTENT IS TO WELL, AND THEIR FIRST AND THE FIRST PROPOSAL WAS TO BASICALLY DO A FRONT PORCH, LIKE THE NEIGHBORS ON THE LEFT, UM, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO RESTORE THE ORIGINAL PORCH THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE, UH, AND HAVE
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A PORCH AND THEN HAVE STEPS COME DOWN FROM, FROM THE FRONT OF THE PORCH.BUT IN OUR FIRST MEETING WITH THEM, OUR FIRST DESIGN REVIEW MEETING, WE POINTED OUT THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THAT.
SO THEY KIND OF ENDED UP WITH REALIZING THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, IS WHAT THEY'RE LEFT WITH BEING ABLE TO DO, AND STILL HAVE THE ROOF EXTEND ALL THE WAY ACROSS, LIKE IT USED TO.
CAN YOU POINT TO THE RIGHT DISCLOSURE WHERE YOU CAN BRING THAT A YELLOW HOUSE? AND SO MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS A FINE ROAD, IT'S GOING TO BE SO HIGH.
IT MAY, MAY ACTUALLY MEAN, AND IT'S ALREADY HOT NOW, BUT IT'S ONLY A LITTLE, IT'S JUST THE DOOR.
MY CONCERN IS THAT IS THE HOUSE TO LET, THAT'S GOING TO BE HOW MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT.
AND IT MAY BE MUCH HARDER THAN ONE TO THE RIGHT AS WELL.
IT MAY STICK OUT A LITTLE BIT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE YOU COULD DO JUST TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I MEAN, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
UM, BUT IT, IT, IT MAY BE MUCH HARDER AND MAYBE THAT'S A BIG DEAL, MAYBE NOT, BUT THERE YOU GO.
SO WHEN WE PUT, IF WE DO THE ROOF ALL THE WAY ACROSS, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE SLOPE OF THAT ROOF.
SO YOU LOOK AT THE YELLOW HOUSE, YOU'VE GOT THAT.
ROOM'S GOT PROBABLY A 4, 12 0 5 12 PITCH ON IT, WHERE THE ELDER ONE IS PROBABLY A TWO TOIL.
SO WE'LL RAISE THE BACKSIDE OF THE ROOF UP JUST BELOW THE, JUST LIKE IT IS ON THE YELLOW HOUSE.
AND FROM THE PICTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WINDOWS PRETTY MUCH LINE UP WITH EACH OTHER.
AND SO WITH THE ROOTS, SO THE PITCH WOULD MATCH MORE WHAT THE YELLOW HOUSES, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSION, I JUST WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, BUT THIS NOT BE A STAFF APPROVAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS HERE THAT NEED TO COME BACK TO US, GIVEN WHERE THIS HOUSE IS LOCATED, THE COMPLEXITY OF THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE PRECEDENTS, WHERE I JUST WOULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE MORE DETAIL AND THOUGHT PUT INTO IT.
AND IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, GIVEN THIS AS A FRONT PORCH.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN HAMMER IT OUT RIGHT NOW AND FIGURE IT OUT.
I FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS THE OTHER THINGS ON THE PROPOSAL.
BUT ASSET THIS FRONT PORCH COME BACK WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
I CAN THINK OF SOME WAYS TO MITIGATE WHAT I THINK THE PROBLEM YOU'RE POSING IS A VERY LONG POST STICKING UP IN THE AIR.
I'M NOT SURE WE COULD CREATE IT HERE TONIGHT.
RIGHT? TO BE CLEAR, WE ARE THINKING THE FOUR-POLE STRENGTH DELAYED IS NOW.
I THINK WE'RE THINKING, ASK THEM TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION IS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
I THINK PEGGY'S ASKING IF WE'RE ASKING THEM TO BRING FOUR POSTS BACK TO THE, OH, WE, WE TRYING TO GIVE THEM SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT TO DO.
AND CAN I PROPOSE WE MAYBE HAVE A SITE VISIT, WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT NOT RECENTLY WHERE WE CONVENE AND GO LOOK AND DRAW THE LINES IN THE YEAR.
WE NEED BETTER DRAWINGS AND UNDERSTAND.
DO WE, WE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORTH.
SO WE EITHER HAVE TO LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
WE EITHER HAVE TO APPROVE IT, OR WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS, APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS, OR WE HAVE TO DENY.
AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? YOU ARE CORRECT.
I WOULD ADD HOWEVER THAT IN APPROVING THE APPLICATION, YOU'RE APPROVING ALL PARTS OF THE APPLICATION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHY I'M GOING THROUGH OUR OPTIONS, RIGHT? UM, APPROVING WITH THE CONDITION CAN BE AN OPTION.
HOWEVER, AND IT CONDITION THAT BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO WHAT CONDITIONS ARE APPLICABLE, YOU ALL WOULD HAVE TO FIND THAT THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
AND IF YOU CAN'T CHECK THAT BOX, THEN THERE AREN'T CONDITIONS THAT CAN SOLVE THAT ISSUE.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THIS COMMISSION AND DETERMINING WHETHER TO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY NEED TO ANALYZE AND MAKE A CONCLUSION, OR TRY TO MAKE A CONCLUSION ABOUT WHETHER THE PROJECT AS IT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY IS CONGRUENT FOR INKING.
SO IF WE SAY IT'S IN CONGRUENCE WITH THE GUIDELINES, THEN WHAT WOULD OUR OPTIONS? BUT THEN YOU COULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO REVISE THEIR APPLICATION AND YOU CAN CONTINUE THE APPLICATION TO ANOTHER DATE TO RESOLVE ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES, OR YOU COULD
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DENY.AND FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION THAT SAYS THAT, THAT SAYS WHAT THAT SAYS, THAT IT'S INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
IF YOU WERE TO DENY AN APPLICATION FOR A COA, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF REASON, OR YOU HAVE TO MAKE FINDINGS OF FACT AND STATEMENTS OF REASONS.
SO WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
YES MA'AM UM, FINDINGS OF FACT, AND MAKE IT INCONGRUOUS AND THEN PUT A CONDITION ON IT, OF WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO.
WHAT DO WE DO AFTER WE FIND IT IN CONGRUENCE? HOW DO WE, IF YOU GET THERE, I'M SAYING, IF WE GET THERE, THEN HOW DO WE GET THEM TO COME BACK TO US? YOU DON'T OKAY.
IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT CONGRUENT OR INCONGRUITY, A BETTER WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS WOULD BE TO HAVE A MOTION, TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION, TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY, TO UNDERSTAND DIGEST AND GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT NEED TO MAKE A, SO, SO ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO CONTINUE WITH IT WITHOUT MAKING ANY DECISION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION WE HAVE IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REASON FOR CONTINUING.
AND WE'LL HAVE, SO WE GET, IF WE ASKED TO HAVE IT CONTINUED, WE GIVE A REASON TO DO THAT.
THEN WE COULD DO THAT AND HAVE THEM COME BACK.
AND THAT CAN, THE REASON THE, UH, TO GIVE THE APPLICANT MORE TIME TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION.
DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT? IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, THIS IS WHY DESIGN REVIEWS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK WITH OUR APPLICANTS AT THAT TIME WITH CONCERNS, UM, AND NOT MUCH CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION TILL TODAY.
UM, WE ASKED FOR THINGS TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THIS POINT.
AND I THINK AS A COMMISSION, WE, WE OWE OUR APPLICANTS THAT CONSIDERATION DURING DESIGN REVIEWS.
SO, I MEAN, ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE AT THAT POINT REALLY NEED TO BE RAISED.
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE THIS CONTINUED DUE TO THE NEED FOR, FOR WHAT DID YOU SAY ADDITIONAL ADVANTAGE TO ADDITIONAL? YOU CAN BE SPECIFIC ABOUT BEING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THERE.
WHAT CAN WE, THE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WAS I FEEL LIKE THE REST OF THE APPLICATION IS FINE.
WE KNOW THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FRONT PORCH.
WELL, I THINK AS PART OF THE, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE IN THE MOTION.
IF, IF THE, IF YOUR INCLINATION IS TO MOVE, TO CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION FOR 7 24, 7 27, 20 VOLTS ROUTE, IF THE MOTION MIGHT BE SOMETHING LIKE MOVE TO CONTINUE THE APPLICATION FOR A COA FOR SEVEN 20 POLIC STREET, IN ORDER TO GIVE THE APPLICANT ADDITIONAL TIME TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS REGARDING THE FRONT PORCH RECONSTRUCTION TO THE NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED HPC MEETING.
I THINK THAT MIGHT ENCAPSULATE EVERYTHING THAT I'M HEARING.
COULD WE HAVE COULD WE HAVE WE GOT SOME MOVEMENT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DID YOU BUY IT? YOU UNDERSTAND THE MOTION.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.
SO, SIR, I ASKED YOU TO GET WITH MATT AND GO OVER AGAIN.
SOME OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE'VE TALKED IN DESIGN REVIEW AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE AND THEN COME TO THE NEXT DESIGN WITH YOU, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST WINS THE, UH, OF NEXT NEXT MONTH.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE 6TH OF APRIL.
SO GET WITH HIM AND, AND THEN YOU CAN, WE CAN HASH THIS OUT SOME MORE AND DESIGN FOR YOU.
SO LET ME, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ONE DESIGN REVIEW.
NOW WE'VE GOT TO COME BACK TO ANOTHER DESIGN THAT THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT I CAN'T DO ANY OF THE WORK UNTIL WE COME BACK A MONTH FROM NOW TO DO THIS AGAIN.
WELL, I WAS WONDERING WHAT, IT'S NOT A MONTH.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, THAT'S THREE WEEKS FOR THE DESIGN AND THEN I WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS MEETING.
SO I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT THAT HE CANNOT WORK ON THIS.
IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CAN SUBMIT THE LANDSCAPING AS A MINOR ONE AND THE FENCING.
WELL, AS LONG AS, UM, AS LONG AS THE HPC DRAGS ME TO DO SO, LIKE WE WOULD IN A DESIGN REVIEW SESSION, UM, THEY CAN MAKE AN, UH, SUBMIT THAT AS A MINOR WORK.
AND I PROCESS IT LIKE A MINOR WORK.
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LANDSCAPING, THE FENCING, THE FENCING, THE LANDSCAPING IS A, IS DEFINITELY A MINOR.SO THE FENCING, THE FENCING, AND YOU CAN DO THAT.
DO WE NEED A BUDGET FOR THAT? NO.
YOU CAN PRESENT YOUR FIXING FIXING TO, AND WE CAN DO THIS AS A MODEL, BUT, BUT I BELIEVE I AM CORRECT IN SAYING, NO, YOU CANNOT WORK ON THE FRONT PORCH.
IS THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE ELDER ITEMS CURIOUS.
SO THE LANDSCAPING IS ALWAYS A MINOR WORK IN THE FENCING.
AND, UM, IN PREPARATION FOR THAT KIND OF SITUATION, UM, WE'VE ALREADY CONTACTED THE NEIGHBORS IN THE YELLOW HOUSE, UH, REGARDING THE FENCING THERE.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED AN AFFIRMATIVE, UM, OPINION OF THAT FENCE.
SO IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE FRONT PORCH? SO I'VE GOT AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU MAKE WITH ITSELF.
WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE DESIGN AGREEMENT AND YOUR IDEA, THE POSTS ARE GOING TO BE LONG, TALL.
IT'S JUST GOING TO LOOK OUT OF WHACK WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT IF WE BUILT BRICK COLUMNS, THE SET, THE POST PHONE.
SO THE BRICK COLUMNS ARE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING FORWARDS.
AND THEN WE SET THE POSTS ON THE COPS.
SO THEN IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK SO TALL.
WOULDN'T I THINK THAT'S A GOOD OPTION TO LOOK AT.
I MEAN, OTHERWISE THERE'S MANY, MANY WAYS YOU CAN DO THIS AND HAVE THE SALES IN IT, UM, WITHOUT GOING OUT INTO THE STREET OR INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING I CAN COME UP WITH.
AND I THINK THE OTHER THING YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IS SWITCH THE STAIRS BACK AGAINST THE FRONT OF THE PORCH.
BRING THE LANDING WHERE THE, WHERE THE SHRUBBERY IS.
NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE SOME THINGS.
WELL, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT, BUT I'LL CHECK IN AND SEE WHAT I COME BACK TO DESIGN, BUT IF WE CAN DO AN INTERNAL STAIRS TO KEEP IT DOWN TO THAT REGULAR OR TO THE ORIGINAL LANDING, LET ME LOOK AT IT.
AND AN EFFORT TO FURTHER HELP YOU.
I CAN'T THINK OF AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVE A STAIR UNDERNEATH THE FRONT PORCH ON THE, ON THE FRONT OF THE, UH, W W WHERE IT WOULD BE IN THE MIDDLE BASICALLY.
AND THEN, SO THAT'S THAT, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT GETS VERY MUCH INTO THE INCONGRUOUS TERRITORY, AT LEAST IN MY INTERPRETATION OF THINGS, BRINGING THEMSELVES TO THE MIDDLE, LOL WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED TONIGHT.
UM, I WANTED TO POINT OUT ACROSS THE STREET, THERE IS ALSO THIS HOUSE, WHICH HAS ALSO KIND OF A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE THE STAIRS START UNDERNEATH THE PORCH, MAYBE MORE ON THE OTHER SIDE RIGHT HERE.
SO, UM, IF YOU WILL GET WITH MATT ABOUT THE FENCING AND MAKING THAT A MINOR, AND THEN IF YOU AND MATT WILL GET TOGETHER AND, UH, WE WE'LL HASH THIS OUT AGAIN AT DESIGN REVIEW PRETTY MUCH.
AND LET IT, LET US HASH IT OUT REALLY WELL AT THAT DESIGN REVIEW.
SO WHEN YOU BRING IT BACK TO US, WE CAN JUST ZIP ON THROUGH.
[3.D. 404 Avenue C – to include an amendment to the approved CoA for front and side porch design revisions in the Primary and Secondary AVCs.]
4 0 4 AVENUE C YES.SO YOU ALL NEED TO COME UP AND BE SWORN IN IF BOTH OF YOU ARE GOING TO TALL AND THAT MAY ASK, WHERE ARE YOU IN? YOU'RE NOT OKAY.
IF YOU COULD TELL US ABOUT AVENUE C SO EDIT RIGHT FOR, FOR AVENUE C.
UH, THIS IS ALREADY AN APPROVED COA, UH, OR THEY ALREADY HAVE AN APPROVED COA FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, THEY'RE HERE TO MODIFY, UH, THE DESIGN OF THE, UH, SOME DETAILS DESIGNS ON THE FRONT AND SIDE PORCH, AS WELL AS THE GABLE FOR THE GROUP, THE WORKSHOP AT THE BACK.
SO THAT WAS A SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.
THIS IS THE, UM, ALSO THE SITE PLAN AT A LARGER SCALE THAT WAS APPROVED.
AND HERE WE'LL LOOKING AT, UM, THE APPROVED FRONT PORCH
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SHOWS, UM, UH, THREE COLUMNS IN THE FRONT AND LEFT, UH, LEFT AND RIGHT CORNERS AS WELL AS TWO PILE ASKERS ON THE BACK WALL.UH, AND THEN, UH, SOME STAIRS THAT ARE IN BETWEEN THE, THE MIDDLE TWO, UH, COLUMNS ON THE LEFT.
WE HAVE THEN THE SIDE PORCH, WHICH HAS AGAIN, THE THREE CORNER POSTS ON THE PROTRUDING, UH, PORCH IN THIS CASE, ON THE SIDE OF THE PORCH.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S A ROW OF COLUMNS ALONG THE BACK AS THE PORCH EXTENDS TO THE BACKYARD OR TO THE BACK DIRECT DRIVEWAY PAST THE SECOND, UH, DOORWAY ON THE SIDE.
SO, AND THEN ON, WE DO HAVE THE FIVE STAIRS COMING DOWN TOWARDS THE FRONT, BUT THEN THE WALKWAY GOING OUT TO THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN THIS WAS THE APPROVED GROUP PLAN AND SEE, UM, GABLE ROOF ON THE FRONT PORCH, A GABLE ROOF ON THE SIDE PORCH FOR THE SHED, UM, COMING ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH HIPS AROUND THE CORNER, ACTUALLY HIP ROOF THEN.
SO THIS WAS THE APPROVED ELEVATION AND A PARTICULAR NOTE IS THE ARCH WAY DETAIL ON THE GABLE OF THE FRONT PORCH.
AND HERE WE SEE FOUR POSTS ON THE FRONT.
AND AS A RESULT OF THE STAIRWAY IS THE WIDTH OF THE TWO INTERIOR POSTS.
AND THEN THE SIDE PORCH, YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS ELEVATION, UH, AND BASICALLY YOU'RE LOOKING UP THE STEPS, UH, ON THE FRONT OF THAT SIDE PORCH.
UH, AND YOU'LL SEE THREE POSTS HERE BECAUSE THE, THERE IS A POST IN THE BACKGROUND THAT REPRESENTS THAT ROAD POST ALONG THE SIDE.
UH, UH, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE IN THIS ONE, THE ELEVATION IN THE BACKGROUND OF THE, UM, THE WORKSHOP HAD A PET HAS A PEDIMENT ENTRANCEWAY, UH, AND IN THAT PEDIMENT IS ALSO, UH, ARCH CUTOUT OF THAT.
SO THEN THIS IS THE APPROVED SIDE ELEVATION OF THE SIDE PORCH.
AND AGAIN, YOU SEE THE SAME KIND OF DETAILS AS WE SAW ON THE FRONT PORCH.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT HIP ROOF THAT, UH, EXTENDS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO PICK UP THE SECOND DOORWAY AND THEN THE STAIRS DOWN THE BACK.
UH, AND OF COURSE ALSO, UM, KIND OF UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN WAS THAT A KIND OF A LATTICE WORK OF HANDRAIL PATTERN.
SO, AND THEN THAT'S BACK TO YOU.
SO THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH HAS A SIDE VIEW OF THE FRONT PORCH, AND THERE'S A GRUFF, UH, KEEP CALLING IT GARAGE, BUT IT'S WORKSHOP.
SO THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THIS CHANGE, UH, TO THE FRONT PORCH WHERE THE FRONT PORCH, UH, NO LONGER HAS THAT ARCHWAY IN THE, IN THE, UH, GABLE OR PEDIMENT, I GUESS IT'S ACTUALLY A GABLE, UH, AND, AND TWO COLUMNS INSTEAD OF FOUR ACROSS THE FRONT.
AND THE, UH, HANDRAILS THEN ARE INSIDE THOSE TWO AND THE STEPS OR THE WIDTH OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
SO THAT'S THAT THEY ALSO INCLUDE A DETAIL ON THE LEFT SHOWING THOSE ARE WOOD PICKETS THAT ARE FOUR INCHES ON THE CENTER.
THE PICKETS THEMSELVES ARE ONE AND A HALF INCHES.
AND THE DETAIL AT THE BOTTOM SHOWS THAT, AND THE TOP SHOWS THAT THOSE PICKETS ARE ON CENTER WITH THE HAND, HAND RAIL AND THE, UM, UH, BOTTOM RAIL.
AND THEN THIS IS A SKETCH OF THE SIDE WHERE AGAIN, THE, UH, THE ARCH IS, IS TAKEN OUT OF THE GABLE END.
UH, AND INSTEAD OF, UH, LET'S SEE WHERE WE RETAIN FOUR POSTS ON THIS SIDE.
AND THEN, UH, THE HIP ROOF CONTINUES AROUND LIKE IT DID BEFORE.
UH, THE, THIS SECOND POST I THINK HAS SHIFTED SLIGHTLY IN THIS LOCATION.
THE OTHER POINT TO MAKE HERE IS THAT THE PORCH HAS BEEN THIS, UH, GABRIEL HAS BEEN WIDENED IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PEAK OF THE GABLE ACTUALLY CENTER ON THE HOUSE HERE.
UM, THE APPROVED PLAN HAD A SLIGHTLY SMALLER ONE, WHICH MEANT THAT THE, UH, PEAK WAS OFF CENTER AND THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE
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TO HAVE IT'S ON CENTER.AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE REVISED, UH, WORKSHOP ELEVATION WHERE THE GABLE END NO LONGER HAS, UH, THE, UH, NO LONGER HAS THAT SMALL LITTLE GABLE ROOF ON IT.
UH, AND THEREFORE ALSO THE ARCH HAS GONE AS WELL.
THE COLUMNS, ALL OF THAT, IT'S GONE.
THAT'S NOT A CHANGE, IS IT? YES.
SO IT'S BASICALLY REMOVING THE ENTIRE GABLE AND, UH, COLUMNS.
UH, MAYBE I SHOULD COME BACK TO THE PLAN.
SO ON THE PLAN, THERE'S THE WORKSHOP AND THERE'S A PAIR OF COLUMNS WITH A GABLE ROOF SHELTERING, THIS, UH, OPENING HERE.
SO THE OPENING IS BECAUSE IT'S A WORKSHOP, THE OPENING IS MEANT TO BRING THE MATERIALS IN AND OUT MORE THAN IT IS TO PARK A CAR IN THERE.
WHAT KIND OF DOORS? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT KIND OF DOORS? THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, SO, AND CHARLES IS, BUT WE ALREADY, WE ALREADY APPROVED.
IT WAS JUST THE DESIGN CHANGE ON THE THAT'S CHANGED SO THAT I'M JUST ASKING THEM WHERE THEY CHANGE IN THE DOOR DESIGN, BUT THEY'RE NOT, NO, NO, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
NO, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE HE'S CLEANED UP THE, SO, UM, SO THAT'S THE APPLICATION.
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS AND THIS OF COURSE MEETS THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
AND OF COURSE THE ENTIRE PROJECT, UH, DOES, UH, NEED A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND ACTUALLY THIS IS THE ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REPORT FROM BACK IN THE POT, BACK IN NOVEMBER ANYWAY, AND THEN I'M READY WITH MY RECOMMENDATIONS.
ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST TO THIS PROJECT FROM ANYONE SEEING NONE? ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE APPLICATIONS COMPLETE YOU'RE SEEING, SIR.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? OKAY.
AGAIN, IN THE AUDIENCE OF YOUR OPPONENTS, PEOPLE FROM THE CITY, FROM THE STATE PEOPLE WITH RELEVANT STANDING, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY OUT THERE DOING THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO SAY.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU'RE UP AGAIN? ALL RIGHT.
SO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR MS. FROM MRS. CAR DELIS PROJECT AT 4 0 4 AVENUE C THE HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS HOUSE.
UH, THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION HAS AT HIS HOUSE CIRCA 1940, UH, WHICH, UH, POINT OUT WAS 48 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME OF THE INVENTORY.
UM, MAKING A POTENTIALLY, UH, NOW, UM, CONTRIBUTING, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE THE QUESTION MARKS UNDER CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING TIME.
SO IT IS DESCRIBED AS TWO-STORY GABLE FRAMED COLONIAL REVIVAL HOUSE.
UM, IT USED TO HAVE A GARAGE AT THE REAR, UH, BUILT AROUND 1940 AND IT WAS A ONE-STORY FRAME GARAGE.
UM, THAT'S SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN REMOVED WITH THE LAST COA AS APPROVED BY THE LAST COA.
UH, SANDBAG HAS NO DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PROJECT HERE IS TO AMEND THE APPROVED AND ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INCLUDE REVISING THE DESIGNS OF THE TWO PORCHES AND THE GABLE OF THE WORKSHOP IN ALL ABCS.
SO ACCESSORY STEPS MEANT SOME FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES.
1.1 3.1 0.4 3.1 0.5 FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1 4.4 0.4 FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.1 4.5 0.4.
FOR WHAT 5.2 0.1 5.2 0.2 FOR PAINT 5.4 0.1 5.4 0.2 5.4 0.3 AND 5.4 0.4.
THE STATEMENTS REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT ARE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSAL REVISES THE PRINT INSIDE PORCHES AND THE FRONT GABLE OF THE NEW WORKSHOP BUILDING IN A WAY THAT INCORPORATES THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT
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PATTERN AND USES BASIC SHAPES AND FORMS THAT ARE COMMON TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THREE DIFFERENT POSED DESIGN COMPONENTS, MATERIALS, AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE, THE PROJECT NOT BEEN CONGRUENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE APPROVED AND ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INCLUDE REVISING THE DESIGNS OF THE TWO PORCHES AND THE GABLE OF THE WORKSHOP IN ALL ABC'S.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? SO I'VE GOT A QUESTION, UM, IS THE, IS THE ONE EVERYONE CALL ON THE FRONT PORCH? THEY'RE PROBABLY THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS THE ONE THAT, THAT WAS WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, BASICALLY ALL WE DID WAS MAKE IT COUPLE FEET DEEPER.
SO WE GET UP IN THE DOOR AND ACTUALLY THEY HAD TO POSE AND IT HAD SIMPLE A-FRAME.
SO IS IT, IS IT GOING TO GO BACK TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MATT, MATT, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SKETCHES THAT ARE PERTINENT TO TONIGHT THE, AT ANY ONE OF THOSE THIS TIME? WELL, NOT THAT ONE.
SO, UH, ALEXIS, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, I'M SURE THIS IS YOUR INTENT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT WHERE THE, UM, FASCISTS COME DOWN AND MEET THE FACIALS, COME AT THE BIRD BOX AND THAT CURVE HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S YOUR INTENT.
SO, SO, SO ON THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING, LET'S LOOK AT THE UPPER, WELL, WE'VE GOT, THE BOXING DOES COME ON TO THE FACE.
SO IT COULD BE, BUT IT'S NOT CURVED, CORRECT? NO, SIR.
SO JUST SO OTHERS MIGHT BE ABLE TO FOLLOW WHERE I'M TRACKING MATT, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A SLIGHT CURVE AND THE FENESTRATION.
NO, NONE OF THAT, WHICH I THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
JUST SOMETHING THAT HADN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT, YOU'RE TAKING THE CURVE OUT.
MA'AM NO CURVES, NO CURVE IN THAT PICTURE.
SO WITH THAT, LIKE THE COLUMN IS THE CA IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT COLUMN STRUCTURAL TRAINING COLUMN.
JUST MORE LIKE THE TIME OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT WITH SOMEONE THEN? OKAY.
UM, ANY CHANGES TO YOUR BALANCE DREADS? NO, THEY'RE GOING TO BE JUST LIKE THEY ARE ORIGINALLY.
SO CHA CHANGED FROM THE APPROVED, WHICH IS THIS LATTICE STANDARD.
I'M TRYING TO SAVE YOU ANOTHER TRIP BACK.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S NOT OBVIOUS TO US AT THE MOMENT THAT, OKAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS APPLICATION? I MOVE THAT WE FIND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 4 0 4 AVENUE, C B NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEWBORNS CODE OF ORDINANCE, SECTION 15 DASH 4 1 1 TO 15 DASH 4 29 AND NEWBURN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDING THE FACT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.2 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.14 AND FIVE ENTRENCHES 4.4 0.1 AND FOUR ROOFS, 4.5 0.1 AND FOUR WOULD 5.2 0.1 AND TWO PAINT, 5.4 0.12, THREE AND FOUR.
FINDINGS OF FACT, THE PROJECT'S LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
THE PROPOSAL REVISES THE FRONT AND SIDE PORCHES TO THE FRONT GABLE OF THE NEW WORKSHOP BUILDING IN A WAY THAT INCORPORATES THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND USES BASIC SHAPES AND FORMS THAT ARE COMMON TO THE STORE DISTRICT PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES IS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
CHIEF BUILDING OFFICER HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT
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AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY PROJECTS, NOT IN CONGRESS WITH THE GUIDELINES.IS THERE A SECOND? SO WE HAVE A SESSION HERE SECOND DOWN HERE AT THE END, SIR.
IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED HEARING NONE IT PASSES.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA? I DON'T THINK WE DON'T LEAVE CAUSE YOU ALREADY GOT THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO DO THEN MATT? NOPE.
YEAH, WE LOVE WHAT CHARLES DID.
IT'S JUST THAT IF IT DOESN'T FIT FOR US, RIGHT.
THERE'S A BIG STRUCTURE SOMEWHERE.
[3.E. 212 Change St. – to include: an extension to the enclosed rear porch, rear roof overhang extension, a new pergola, a new brick and metal gateway, new landscaping, and a storage closet addition to the accessory dwelling unit all in the Secondary and Tertiary AVCs.]
NEXT ONE IS TWO 12 CHANGE STREET.SO WE HAVE, HERE ARE THE APPLICATION FOR TWO 12 CHANGE, UH, PREP, THE OWNERS, DR.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS ELLUCIAN VAUGHN OF TAR HEEL.
UH, LET ME SEE HER ALL THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED ON ATTACHMENTS SIGNED AND DATED BY THE REPRESENTATIVE WHO IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED HERE WITH AUTHORIZED TO REPRESENT THE OWNER.
SO, UH, THE PROVIDED A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOUSE FROM THE FRONT, JUST FOR REFERENCE, I GUESS.
AND WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING BEHIND THIS HOUSE AND NOTHING IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE STYLE.
UM, SO HERE'S THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WORK, UM, WHERE IT'S, UH, ALTERATIONS IN THE TERTIARY AREA ALTERATIONS, UH, IN THE SECONDARY AREA, WHICH IS THE ONLY ONE OF WHICH IS THE NEW, UH, GATE AND A BRICK WALL IN COLUMNS THERE AND THEN THEY, UH, ACTUALLY SPELLED OUT ALL OF THE GUIDELINES THAT THEY FELT WERE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS THREE PAGES OF THAT.
AND THEN THE LIST OF MATERIALS FOR THE FOUNDATION, THE FRAMING, THE SIDING, ET CETERA.
AND THEN THEY ALSO PROVIDED THE PAGE FROM THE, UH, SANDBORNE, UH, NOT SAM MORTON, SORRY, SAND BACK, UH, BOOK.
SO I'LL BE PULLING THE APPROPRIATE EXCERPT OUT OF THAT.
OH, AND IT ALSO SHOWS YOU A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOUSE BACK IN 1988.
SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE S WE LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE BRINGING YOU THAT INFORMATION.
SO NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THIS SMALLER, SO WE CAN AT LEAST AT FIRST, SO WE CAN SEE THE OVERALL PICTURE HERE.
SO HERE, UM, THE STREET IS OUT FRONT TO THE RIGHT OFF THE PAGE, ACTUALLY.
UM, AND AT THE TOP, RIGHT OF THE DRAWING, IT SAYS EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVE.
UM, AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT DRIVE IS WHERE THE, UH, NEW GATE AND A NEW BRICK PIERS AND CO AND WALL WILL BE, UH, OR PROPOSED TO BE.
AND THEN, UH, THE REST OF THE BACKYARD WOULD BE LANDSCAPE PRETTY MUCH AND REPAVED AND ENTIRETY, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, OR MIXING IT IN TOGETHER WITH, SO THERE IS SOME EXISTING TO REMAIN, SORRY.
UM, THE MAIN FEATURES ARE THAT THE, UH, AND, UH, THE CHANGES ARE SHOWN MOSTLY IN BLUE HERE.
SO I'M GOING TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT TO GET A BETTER PICTURE OF THAT AT THE MOMENT.
AND SO, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE AT THE MOMENT, YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, WILL BE THE EXPANSION OR EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING SCREENED IN REAR PORCH, UH, TO BASICALLY DOUBLE ITS SIZE.
SO DOWN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THAT BLUE RECTANGLE, UH, BLUE AREA, THERE'S A DOUBLE DASH LINE.
THAT'S THE EXISTING EXTERIOR, UM, WALL OF THE SCREENED PORCH THAT IS TO BE REMOVED AS THEY ARE GOING TO EXPAND THE PORCH TO THE LEFT, UH, AND PRETTY MUCH EQUAL AMOUNTS AND EXACTLY EQUAL AMOUNT.
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UH, SO THE THERE'LL BE A NEW SCREEN PORCH WALL OUT THERE.UH, THE, UH, STAIRS THEN WILL BE ADDED IN THAT WALL AND TO GO DOWN TO THE GROUND JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE PORCH, UH, A MINOR NOTE IS THEY'RE ADDING A SMALL BIT OF STORAGE SPACE.
THAT'S A SOLID BLUE LINES THERE WITH THE DOOR.
UM, THERE ALSO, UH, IS THAT A NEW WINDOW IN THEM, IN THE HOUSE NOW? SO THAT WINDOW STAYS THE SAME, UH, THEN, UH, PROCEEDING DOWNWARD FROM THERE.
UH, THERE'S AN AREA WITH, UH, THAT WILL HAVE THE ROOF ONLY EXTENDED OUT, UM, TO THE LEFT, UM, UH, WHERE IT SAYS YOU CAN SEE THE WORD BEAM, IF IT'S BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU.
HERE WE GO TO CREATE A, AN OUTDOOR KITCHEN AREA, UH, THAT'S COVERED BY A ROOF.
SO THE ROOF HAS EXTENDED OUT TO THIS LINE OUT HERE, AND THEN, UM, THERE'LL BE BUILDING THEIR OWN, UH, COUNTERTOP AND GRILL IN SUCH AREA THERE, BUT AT THE BOTTOM, THIS IS AN EXISTING BRICK WALL THAT REMAINS, AND THEN THERE'S A GATE ACTUALLY ACROSS HERE.
AND THEN THAT CONNECTS TO THE BRICK WALL ALONG THE SIDE.
SO CURRENTLY THIS ENTIRE BACKYARD IS, UM, UM, AND CLOSED BY A BRICK WALL WITH THIS GATE HERE AT THIS CORNER.
UM, THEN THE NEXT PIECE TO KNOW ABOUT IS THIS AREA WITH THIS GRAY HATCHING ON IT, IT'S, UH, THOSE REPRESENT THE, A PERGOLA THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED THERE.
WE'LL SEE A SKETCH HERE IN A MINUTE ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S AN EXISTING FOUNTAIN THAT SEMI-CIRCULAR IN ITS PLAN HERE.
UH, AND THE PERGOLA WILL BE CENTERED ON THAT, UH, AND STANDING NEXT TO THE BRICK WALL AND EXTENDING OUT INTO THE YARD FROM THERE, UH, WITH, UH, A FIREPLACE TABLE AND A COUCH AND THINGS LIKE THAT UNDER THE PERGOLA, THEN, SORRY, THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING LEFT OTHER THAN LANDSCAPING IS THERE'S A SMALL STORAGE ROOM, UM, ADDITION, UH, PROPOSED FOR THE BACK CORNER OF THE, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE.
SO, UM, THAT WAS, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ON THE PROJECT, BUT, UH, YOU'LL WANT TO SEE MORE DRAWINGS ABOUT THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS MOVE TO THE NEXT PAGE ON THIS PAGE.
UH, ALL THAT IS CLARIFIED A LITTLE BIT MORE BY THE FOUNDATIONS.
SO THE GATEWAY HAS FOUNDATIONS FOR THE BRICK PIERS AND TWO LITTLE BRICK WALLS THAT COME OFF THE PIERS, THEN THE FOUNDATIONS FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE, A SCREENED IN PORCH AND THEN SMALL FOUNDATIONS FOR THE TWO POSTS THAT WILL HOLD UP THE ROOF EXTENSION OVER THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN, THE SMALL FOUNDATIONS FOR THE PERGOLA.
AND THEN, UH, THE LITTLE BIT FOR THE SMALL, UH, STORAGE CLOSET ON THE BACK OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING.
WE ALSO SEE AN OOPS IN THIS DRAWING THERE'S PERGOLA, SORRY, UH, SECTION THROUGH THE, THIS IS FOR THE STORAGE CLOSET, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND THEN THE, UM, FOUNDATION OR STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS FOR THE PIER AND THE, UH, BRICKS, A BRICK WALL PEERS AND BRICK WALL, SORRY.
UH, THERE, WE HAVE OUR NICE METRIC OF THE PERGOLA.
AND THEN ON THE LOWER LEFT, WE HAVE THE ELEVATION OF THE SCREENED IN PORCH EXTENSION, AND THEN EXTRA BEHIND THAT YOU CAN SEE THE STAIRWAY COMING OUT OF THE PORCH AND THEN BEHIND THAT IS ACTUALLY THAT EXTENSION FOR THE KITCHEN.
SO WE SEE THAT BETTER ON THE REAR VIEW WHERE THE PORCH EXTENSION IS ON THE LEFT WITH THE NEW DOOR AND STAIRWAY.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY A SECOND SET OF STAIRS OUT OF THE PORCH AS WELL, DOWN TO THE KITCHEN AREA.
AND WE CAN NOW SEE THAT THE, THE ROOF OR THAT ENTIRE AREA IS ALL ONE ROOF THAT JUST CUTS OFF AT DIFFERENT SPOTS FOR, UM, HOW, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR OUT IT, IT PROJECTS FROM THE HOUSE.
UM, THEN, UH, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER ELEVATION
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THAT REPRESENTS A LOOK AT THE, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING AS IF IT LOOKING IT FROM THE HOUSE ACROSS THE YARD, TOWARDS THE ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE BACK.UH, AND IT SHOWS THEM THE PERGOLA SHOWN IN FRONT OF THAT BACK HOUSE HERE IN THE GRAY ON THE LEFT, UH, WHICH ALSO SHOWS YOU ITS HEIGHT RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING BRICK WALL, THE DISTANCE IT IS FROM THE WALL, UH, THOSE KINDS OF FEATURES AND FACTORS AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF BEHIND IT.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A SECTION NOW OF THE, UH, SCREENED IN PORCH EXTENSION SHOWING THE PUDDINGS, THE FRAMEWORK, THE RAFTERS, THE BEAMS, ET CETERA, AND THEN BEHIND THAT IS THE SAME, UM, THE POSTS, THE BEAMS AND THE RAFTERS FOR THE, UH, ROOF OVER THE KITCHEN, UH, WHICH THEN IS ALSO SHOWN HERE ON THE RIGHT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE NEW, UM, DESIGN FOR THE GATE, UM, DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE SAW IN DESIGN REVIEW.
UH, BUT THE, THIS WILL BE A NEW, NEW BRICK PIERS AND NEW BRICK WALLS, UH, THAT MATCH THE EXISTING, UH, BRICK WALLS THAT SURROUND THE BACKYARD.
AND THEN THIS NEW GATE, THE GATE ITSELF IS SIX FEET HIGH.
SO THAT THEN SHOWS YOU THAT THE, THE BRICK WALL PORTION IS ALSO SIX FOOT HIGH, BUT THE PEERS ARE TALLER.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SEVEN FEET PLUS THE TOP THEN.
OH, AND THEN I THINK I LEFT IN THE, UM, THE PREVIOUS DESIGN HERE, WHICH ALSO HAD THE STRUCTURAL DESIGNS FOR THAT, BUT THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS DESIGN THAT WE SAW BEFORE, BUT NO LONGER RELEVANT.
THEN WE HAVE TO POP OUT THIS DRAWING SHOWS THE PAVING, UH, FOR THE BACKYARD.
SO THE KIND OF BROWNISH AREA IS THE NEW PAVEMENT AND THAT I'M SORRY, THE LIGHT BROWN AREA WOULD BE THE PAVEMENT AREA IN THERE, SAY MEDIUM BROWN AREAS, ALL THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA WHERE ALL THE PAVING IS WHERE ALL THE LANDSCAPING IS.
AND THEN WE ALSO AT THE DESIGN REVIEW, ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE, AND THIS IS THE PLANTING PLAN FOR THAT SHOWING THE NAMES AND SPECIES OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PLANTS.
UM, AND THEN AT THE DESIGN REVIEW, WE ASKED THEM, PROVIDE A CHART, SHOWING THE REPLACEMENT FOR ANY REMOVED TREES, ZOOM IN HERE, SOME MORE.
AND AT THE TOP HERE, UM, THERE'S ONE TREE TO BE REMOVED.
IT'S A CREPE MYRTLE, UH, LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE HOME.
UH, AND NEW THEY'RE ACTUALLY ADDING THREE TREES IN, UH, ONE OTHER CREPE, MYRTLE, A ONE STAR MAGNOLIA AND ONE JAPANESE MAPLE.
AND THEN THEY ALSO LIST ALL OF THE VARIOUS PLANTS BY NAME AND THE NUMBERS AND THE SIZE OF, OKAY.
SO, UH, THEN OUR D OUR ZONING AND INSPECTIONS REVIEW SHOWS THAT THIS PROJECT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAND USE ORDINANCE AND WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE READY FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN YOU ARE OKAY.
DID WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH SYSTEMS NEED TO BE EXCUSED? SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE TAVI REMOVED MADAM CHAIR? I THINK, UH, THE, THE MEMBER WOULD NEED TO STATE THE PURPOSE OF THEIR, FOR THEIR RECUSAL.
WHY, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO, I LIVE NEXT DOOR.
CAN I ASSUME YOU GOT SENT ONE, BUT I KNOW WHAT GOT DELIVERED.
I TOOK, I HAVE A MOTION FOR HER TO BE MOVED.
WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND OVER HERE.
YOU REMOVED FROM THE TIME VIDEO.
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ANYBODY GOT ANY ISSUES WITH THE APPLICATION COMPLETIONS? SO, SO DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? YEAH, I'M LOSING VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATES.UM, MATT, I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THE THUMB DRIVE ABOVE YOUR OFFICE.
UH, THUMB DRIVE HAS CONCERNS THAT WERE ADDRESSED AT DESIGN REVIEW.
UM, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE JUST SAW THEM.
SO THE CONCERNS WERE THAT WE DISTINGUISHED THAT, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT, UH, PETER SANDVIK DISCUSSED IN HIS BOAT WAS BUILT SOMETIME BETWEEN 1890 AND 1995.
AND THEN THE REAR ADDITION THAT WE'RE ADDING ON TO WAS BUILT IN 1996.
AND IT WAS MY COMPANY THAT DID THAT ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THAT HOUSE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING ON TO A STRUCTURE THAT'S TWENTY-FIVE YEARS OLD IN THE BACK, AND WE DISTINGUISHED THAT, UH, ON THAT DRAWING.
UM, AND SO I WAS ASKED TO DO WHAT IS ORIGINAL 18, 19, AND WHAT IS 1900 A CITIZEN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ON THE DRAWING, WHICH DRAWING WOULD THAT BE? WHICH ONE? JUST BIG, UM, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE, ARE YOU UNDER THE TUNDRA? IT WOULD HAVE ALL THE BUSHES AND THE TREES NAMED AT THE TOP.
THE ONE THAT JUST SHOWED IT WAS THAT ONE THAT THEY WON'T HAVE ANY PICTURES ON.
SO YEAH, I THINK, UH, I HAD IT IN THERE, BUT, UH, ZOOMED IN ON THE, ON THE TREE REMOVAL PART.
OOPS, SORRY, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE, WE PUT DATES ON THE STRUCTURE, SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL HOME AND IT BASICALLY IN A, AT THAT BACK WALL, UH, TO, TO YOUR RIGHT.
AND, UM, BUT THE BACK WALL DID NOT LIE.
SO THE ADDITION THAT WE DID, UM, WHAT MIKE, WHY WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UM, IT'S ALL SET IN THAT ONE WALL.
ARE YOU SAYING ESSENTIALLY WHERE THESE STEP TO SHOW AT THE TOP? RIGHT.
AND THEN DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE DOWN FROM THERE? YEP.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DWELLING AND THEN EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THAT WAS THE TWO STORY ADDITION IN 1996.
AND THEN GO ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT REAR ACCESSORY BUILDING IS IN FACT, A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND A LITTLE STORAGE ROOM.
WE'RE ADDING ONTO THE BACK OF THAT.
WE WERE ASKED TO OFFSET THAT ABOUT FOUR INCHES.
AND IT'S NOTED ON OUR FOUNDATION DRAWINGS, ALL THE DRAWINGS NOTED THAT YOU HAD DONE THAT WE DISCUSSED.
SO WE DID, BUT DIDN'T BRING IT BACK A WEEK LATER WITH REVIVE DRAWINGS SHOWED THE TREE THAT WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT.
UM, IT'S A GREAT MYRTLE OF THE DRAWING RIGHT NOW.
YOU WROTE TO AND ARE YOU PUTTING ONE OF YOUR NEW TREES THERE OR NOT? NO.
YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THE NEW TREES YOU'RE PUTTING IN THAT SPACE.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR NAME AND ALL OF THESE BUSHES AND TREES.
IT IS A WHOLE LOT AS I RECALL, IT WAS.
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SO WE'RE ON THIS MAP.CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THE THREE NEW TREES ARE GOING TO BE GOING? OH, THE STAR MAGNOLIA SHOWS UP RIGHT ABOVE THE WORD STONE PAVERS.
AND IT'S POINTING TO THE EDGE OF THAT LARGE TREE THERE YOU SEE RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN THERE'S A CIRCLE IT'S ACTUALLY POINTING TO THE EDGE OF THE TREE.
I'M GOING TO MOVE THIS UP A LITTLE BIT SO YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF IT.
SO THAT, AND THE CENTER OF IT IS SHOWN HERE.
THE CENTER OF THIS STAR, MAGNOLIA.
OH, THAT'S A STAR MAGNOLIA THERE.
AND WHERE ARE THE OTHER TWO TREES GONE? UM, I'M NOT SURE.
WE HAVE, UH, SUPPOSEDLY ANOTHER CREPE.
MYRTLE IS AT THE ONE IN THE UPPER LEFT HERE.
MUSKOGEE, MUSCOGEE OR WHATEVER.
SO THIS ONE, ALL THE WAY HERE ON THE LEFT IS NEW.
AND THAT'S RIGHT ON THE, UH, RIGHT AT THE END OF THE PROPERTY THERE AND THE SHADING, THE PLAYGROUND.
UH, AND THEN WHERE WOULD THE THIRD ONE BE? DO YOU KNOW? GUIDELINES? ARE YOU TAKE OUT A TREE? YOU PUT A TREE BACK IN, SO WE'D TAKEN OUT ONE PUTTING THAT THREE.
DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THE LOCATION MS. FRUIT? DO I NEED TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE? YEAH.
SO THIS, UH, THIS ONE IS A JAPANESE MAPLE HERE.
SO HYDRANGEA AND XAVIER'S CHAMELEON.
CAN YOU GO DOWN TO THE UPPER PART? CAUSE THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF PLANNING IS.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY TAKEN OUT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S TREE THOUGH, TAKING THAT ONE TREE, BUT IN THREE, JUST ONE OF THE NEIGHBOR'S TREES.
I'M SORRY YOU HAVE ON HERE, YOU'RE TAKEN OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
NO, THAT'S I SEE THAT GOOD CATCH.
THE DEAL, THE DEAL IS THAT BRICK WALL.
WE COULD SHOW YOU, UH, THE SURVEY DIVIDES THAT ROLL IN HALF.
SO HALF BALLS TO, TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
IT'S NOT VERY GOOD SHAPE AT ALL.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT FAILURE, THAT IS THE ROOTS OF THESE TWO TREES.
SO WHENEVER MY OWNER AND THAT OWNER CAN GET TOGETHER AND AGREE, UM, THE WALL NEEDS TO BE REBUILT.
SO THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE PROJECT.
IT WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO WELL.
AND, UH, IF IT'S JUST TREE REMOVAL, THAT THEN IS A MINOR.
UM, UH, SO THESE TWO TREE REMOVALS IS PART OF THIS PROJECT OR NOT.
YOU STILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THAT.
I THINK HE MENTIONED THAT, UM, THEY WERE WANTING TO DO THAT PROJECT FIRST BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO END UP DOING ALL OF THIS NICE LANDSCAPING AND PAVING AND THE GATES AND EVERYTHING, AND HAVE TO DRIVE A TRUCK BACK THERE TO REBUILD THE, UH, BRICK MASONRY WALL.
THERE IS OF COURSE THE POTENTIAL THAT MAYBE THEY COULD COME IN FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S YET ALSO YET AGAIN, TO BE NEGOTIATED.
SO, SO THAT MAY END UP COMING, THAT MAY END UP HAPPENING FIRST BEFORE THIS EVEN GETS CONSTRUCTED OR AT LEAST THAT HALF OF IT.
SO MY QUESTION WAS THESE TWO TREES OVER HERE ON THE LEFT THAT ARE GOING TO BE RENEWING EXISTING TREES.
IS THAT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YEAH.
DOES DOESN'T ADDRESS? EVERYTHING TALKED ABOUT DESIGN AND INDEED THERE IS A NEW GATE DESIGN THAT I SENT YOU.
YEAH, THAT'S GOT THE SQUIRREL.
I SHOWED MEN PROBABLY SHOULD NOT HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL HERE.
I COPIED IT FROM THE THUMB DRIVE.
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UH, LET'S SEE.THAT'S THE NEW ONE, RIGHT? NO.
WHAT? OH, WELL THAT WAS THE ONE YOU SENT IN AN EMAIL JUST THIS MORNING OR YESTERDAY.
OH, I DIDN'T CATCH THE ONE AFTER THIS MORNING.
I'M STILL WORKING ON YESTERDAY'S EMAILS.
SO THIS IS NOT THE GATE YOU'RE GOING TO USE.
THE SCROLL WORK AT THE TOP HAS BEEN ELIMINATED SO THAT YOU HAVE A THIRD PANEL THAT HAS THE SAME LOOK AND DESIGN AS THE TWO DOOR PANELS.
SO THAT'S A SOLID GATE WITH THE HEIGHT, SOMETHING, THIS WAS FOR PRIVACY AS MUCH AS ANYTHING.
AND WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE GATE, SOMEONE CAN LOOK THROUGH.
SO THE OWNER HADN'T BEEN CHANGED TO REMOVE THE SCROLL, LOOK AT THE TOP.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE, SO IT'S A SOLID GATE, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE A PICTURE OF.
IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THE, THE MIDDLE AND THE BOTTOM PANELS.
AND SO HE'S SAYING THAT THE TOP PANEL THAT CURRENTLY HAS THE SCROLL WORK, UH, WOULD HAVE THAT SAME SOLID DESIGN THAT THE MIDDLE AND THE BOTTOM.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT UP ON THE TRAJECTORY, WE CAN DO THAT.
WELL, IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR I THINK WE'RE JUST AT A TIME.
SO THERE YOU SEE THE, UH, THE NEW PROPOSED.
THAT'S THE NEW GAUGES THAT I USUALLY IT IS THE SAME PANEL.
AND WE MAY HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THE REST OF THIS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME? OKAY.
SO, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PROPONENTS FOR THIS OUT IN THE AUDIENCE? WE ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE.
DO WE HAVE ANY OPPONENTS TO THIS? OKAY.
SO IF YOU WOULD COME, SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO TESTIFY THAT SHE NEEDED TO BE SWORN IN AND SHE'S GOING TO TESTIFY, MAYBE YOU NEED TO SWEAR HER IN PLEASE.
I WOULD NOT SAY, START WITH YOUR NAME AND HOW YOU RELATED TO THIS HOUSE.
I'M PEGGY BROADWAY AND I LIVE AT TWO 14 CHANGE STREET, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
AND, UM, I'M NOT REALLY AN OPPONENT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, IN THE FIRST DRAWING THAT WE GOT FROM THE ARCHITECT, HE DID NOT HAVE THE COMPLETE GYM LINED OUT AS WE SEE IT IN WHAT MATT SENT OUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SWING AND THE LONG WALK LIKE THIS.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER WHEN WE HAVE A LITTLE PLAY AREA LIKE THAT, AND IT HAS A BUILDING ON IT.
DO WE HAVE TO KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT AS IF IT WERE A, YOU KNOW, A SUPPLY BUILDING OUTSIDE OR DO WE MATCH, SO YOUR QUESTION IS ONE OF THESE PLAY THINGS HAS A BUILDING AS A TOP TO IT.
I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS GYM THAT YOU GO UP, IT GOING UP.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING? YEAH.
IT LOOKS LIKE A SHED AND IT HAS A, UH, A WALL COMING DOWN LIKE A LITTLE CLUB HOUSE.
WHAT? IT'S LIKE A LITTLE CLUBHOUSE ON TOP OF THE IT'S CALLED A CLUBHOUSE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRASH.
SO WE NEED THE HEIGHT ON THAT MAT AND THE, UH, DIMENSIONS OR ANYTHING ARE REQUIRED.
WE HAVE NO GUIDELINES, UM, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO PLAY STRUCTURES.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER,
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BUT THERE IS A BUILDING PERMIT REQUIRED FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT.SO, UM, NOW IF I MAY ADD, IT SEEMS THAT THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE REPRESENT REPRESENTATIONS OF POSSIBLE LAY STRUCTURES, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
TH THIS DONE INCLUDED IN THIS DRAWING THOUGH.
J W WHAT, WHY ARE THEY THERE THEN? IT WAS PROBABLY, AND THERE THEY'RE THERE.
YEAH, HE'S SAYING THOSE MAY NOT BE THE EXACT ONE.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY REFERRED TO IN THIS, IN THE, IN THE PROPOSAL, THE PLAYGROUND PLAYGROUND THINGS.
SO WHICH ONE IS IT GOING TO BE? OKAY.
SO, IF YOU WOULD COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU SPEAK LOUDER.
THE IMAGES WERE PULLED OFF THE INTERNET AND PLACED ON THE DRAWING, UH, AS A MATTER OF PRESENTATION, TO GIVE SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS TO THE OTHERS OF WHAT THEY MIGHT GET DO IN THAT SMALL LITTLE PLAYGROUND AREA.
UH, THE OWNERS HAVE A VERY SMALL CHILD.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT AS LIKE A PLACE FOR HIM TO PLAY.
AND WE SIMPLY WERE TRYING TO BE HELPFUL.
THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TELLING THE COMMISSION IN EFFECT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH.
SO, DOES THAT MEAN YOU WOULD BE COMING BACK WITH THE PLAN WHEN IT'S DECIDED IF IT'S GOING TO BE A STRUCTURE, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
IF IT, IF IT'S A STRUCTURED DON'T, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME DIMENSIONS FOR A STRUCTURE STRUCTURE MANAGER.
MAYBE I CAN BE HELPFUL DEPENDING ON THE, THE SELECTION THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS MAKE ABOUT WHATEVER PLACE IT THEY CHOOSE, THAT WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S A STRUCTURE.
IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO BUILD A LITTLE HOUSE, THAT MIGHT BE A STRUCTURE.
IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO PUT UP A SLIDE WITH A SWING THAT MAY NOT BE A STRUCTURE.
SO AT THIS JUNCTURE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S IN A POSITION TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO AT THIS TIME, ARE YOU SAYING THAT HE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK WITH THE PLAN THAT THEY DO CHOOSE FOR THAT STRUCTURE? I'M SAYING IT DEPENDS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE A STRUCTURE OR NOT.
SO IF IT IS A STRUCTURE, MAYBE, SO IT IS THE PLAYGROUND PART OF THE APPLICATION.
AND ARE WE, SO CAN WE SAY, CAN WE SAY IT'S NOT PART OF APPLICATION? I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS GIVEN SOME INDICATION.
I'M STRUGGLING TO GET AHOLD OF THIS ONE.
SO MS. PEGGY IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD THESE KINDS OF STRUCTURES COME BEFORE US.
I THINK THERE'S ONE AT THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.
I THINK THERE'S THE, ONE OF THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE DON'T HAVE GUIDELINES THAT, UM, APPLIED TO THE THREE DIMENSIONAL ASPECT OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, BUT WE HAVE, UM, GIVEN SOME INDICATION THAT IT WAS LOCATED APPROPRIATELY ON THE SITE.
AND SO PERHAPS IN THIS CASE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOME PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN A TERTIARY AREA.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL WE WOULD NEED TO SEE THIS POINT.
AND IF, UM, ONE WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED THAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE, UH, UM, HAD HAVE A CONDITION WHERE THE APPLICANT COME BACK AND SHOW STAFF THIS SPECIFIC VARIETY THAT WAS ULTIMATELY PICKED UP.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PLAYGROUND AND A COMMERCIAL AREA? LIKE THE CHURCH VERSUS PRIVATE RESIDENCE? I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S NOTHING BECAUSE, UM, THE QUESTION YOU POSE SEEMS TO BE BASED ON USE OF PROPERTY AND OUR GUIDELINES DON'T FOLLOW USE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, HE WOULD, ONCE THEY DECIDE HE WOULD NEED TO BRING IT BACK.
WE COULD PUT A CONDITION, BUT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME WHAT MR. VAUGHN HAS INDICATED IS WHATEVER COMES BACK, DOESN'T COME BACK FROM MR. VAUGHN, BUT FROM THE HOMEOWNER HIMSELF AT SOME DATE IN THE FUTURE, WHEN MR. VAUGHN'S PORTION OF THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN COMPLETED, AND THE KID IS BIGGER AND THEY'RE READY FOR PLAYGROUND, EITHER HE COULD BRING, THEY COULD BRING IT BACK, OR THEY WANTED HIM TO BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE.
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THINK FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS APPLICATION, THERE'S NO SWING SET.HOW DOES THAT SOUND TRIP? WE'LL HAVE TO HASH IT OUT.
IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S SEEMS TO BE MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT I HAD A QUESTION ON WAS ON THE EXTENSION OF THE ROOF OVER THE KITCHEN AREA, HOW BIG AN EXTENSION IS THAT? AND IS IT, DOES IT ATTACH TO THE ROOF OR IS IT SEPARATELY? SO IT IS CO-PLANNER WITH THE EXISTING ROOF.
THAT IS PART OF IT IS THE ROOF.
UM, THE, IT IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE EXISTING AND THE EXISTING ROOF AND THE, UH, PORTRAITS.
SO LET ME SEE, UM, LET'S GO TO THE ELEVATIONS RIGHT WHEN WE'RE DOWN INTO THE LANES.
ON THIS DRAWING, I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS BIGGER TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE CLEAR.
SO YOU CAN SEE A SCREENED IN PORCH HERE, RIGHT.
UM, CURRENTLY THE ROOT FOR THE ENTIRE BACK OF THE HOUSE ENDS UP THIS DASH LINE, THESE THREE DASH LINES.
SO THEY'RE EXTENDING THE ROOF OVER THE SCREENED IN PORCH OUT.
UM, AND IT IS A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING ROOF.
AND THEN THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING OVER HERE, OVER THE KITCHEN AREA.
UH, EXCEPT THEY'RE EXTENDING IT EVEN FARTHER OUT.
AND SO SINCE IT'S SLOPING DOWN, IT SHOWS UP IN THIS ELEVATION AS BEING LONGER AND LOWER.
SO IT IS ALL ONE BIG PLANE CUT OFF AT DIFFERENT SPOTS.
SO MATT, DOES THAT MEAN I'M ASKING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THE SENSITIVE METALS? THEY WOULD TAKE OFF THERE AND MAKE ONE CONTINUOUS PIECE COMING DOWN? I THINK WE SHOULD ASK THE CONTRACTOR.
IT WOULD NOT BE PIECED IN OTHER AND WE WILL BE EXTENDED.
HOW DO YOU, HOW WERE YOU, HOW WERE YOU EXTENDED? GET THE SLOPES THAT COMES DOWN LIKE THIS AND LESS WHERE IT ENDS NOW? HOW WILL YOU FASCINATE ANOTHER PIECE OF ROOFING TO THAT? TO EXTEND IT? THUMB IT IT'LL GO UNDERNEATH IT.
NOW THE NEXT BOOK, THE LAST ONE IS, UH, ON THE GATE COMING IN THE DOWN THE DRIVEWAY D ARE THOSE LITTLE, UM, ELEVATED THINGS UP OVER, ARE THEY THE SAME HEIGHT? THERE'S THE WALLACE NEXT DOOR.
AND THE NEW CAR WOULD NOT BE EXISTING.
AND I DO, THEY HAVE A LITTLE SON NAMED DALEN AND I CERTAINLY WANT HIM TO HAVE A PLAY AREA, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I JUST WONDER WHAT THEIR GUIDELINES WERE WITH REGARD TO STRUCTURES LIKE PLAYERS.
SO WE WENT THROUGH PROPONENTS OPPONENTS.
UM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ANY REBUTTAL OR ANYTHING FROM THAT? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY WITH RELEVANT EVIDENCE AND STANDING THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? WE WOULD RUN IT OUT.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE CITY, STATE OF GOVERNMENT THAT WANTS TO SPEAK AGAIN? WE'VE RUN OUT.
SO LET US THEN HAVE THE HPC ADMINISTRATOR, TELL US THE STAFF FINDINGS.
AND THEN SIR, I'LL ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD.
SO LET'S HAVE YOUR FINDINGS, SIR.
SO THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DR.
MS. SCOTT MCCLELLAN AND LUCIAN VAUGHN, TARHEEL
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ASSOCIATES FOR THE PROJECT THAT TWO 12 CHANGE STREET, HISTORIC PROPERTY NAME IS THE SEYMOUR RENTAL HOUSE.AND IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THE NATIONAL REGISTER INVENTORY DESCRIPTION IS FROM 2003 WAS BUILT.
THE HOUSE WAS BUILT AROUND 1890 TO 95.
UH, TWO STORIES, EL PLAN, TALL BAY WINDOW IN THE LEFT FRONT FACADE AND WRAPAROUND PORCH IMPEDIMENT TO ROOF CABLES.
THE SAND BECK DESCRIPTION IS QUITE EXTENSIVE AND I'VE PULLED OUT THE ONE BIT THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND THAT IS THE HOUSE IS DISTINGUISHED BY ITS FOUR PEDIMENT TO GABLES.
SO THE PROJECT IS FOR TWO 12 CHANGE STREET TO INCLUDE AN EXTENSION TO THE ENCLOSED REAR PORCH REAR ROOF, OVERHANGING EXTENSION, A NEW PERGOLA, A NEW BRICK AND METAL GATEWAY IN LANDSCAPING AND A STORAGE CLOSET.
ADDITION TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, ALL IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
SO STAFF SUBMITS THE FOLLOWING HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ARE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPLICATION FOR LANDSCAPING.
2.4 0.13 AND SEVEN ARE FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS.
2.5 0.1 FOR DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 AND FIVE FOR MODIFICATIONS.
WHOOPS, 3.2 0.1 AND THREE OH, FOR ADDITIONS.
3.3 0.12 AND THREE FOR FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.13 AND FOUR FOR WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.
4.2 0.1 AND FOUR FOR ENTRANCES, 4.4 0.1 AND FIVE FOR ROOFS, 4.5 0.1 AND FOUR FOR MASONRY 5.1 0.12 AND THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE.
FOR WHAT? 5.2 0.1 AND TWO FOR METALS FOR 5.3 0.1, TWO, THREE AND FOUR FOR PAINT, 5.4 0.2, THREE AND FOUR.
THE STATEMENTS OR REASON BASED ON THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE APPLICATION AND STEPS.
THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE TIGHT WEAVE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
WHY DIDN'T THAT HAPPEN AGAIN? AND PRIMARILY IN THE TERTIARY, BUT ALSO THE SECONDARY ABCS TO THE PROPOSAL IS A PROJECT THAT HAS COMBINATION OF REAR PORCH AND PATIO EXPANSION LANDSCAPING, AND A NEW REAR GATE NEAR NEW REAR YARD GATE THREE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES FOR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
AND THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY AND FIVE.
THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TO INCLUDE AN EXTENSION TO THE ENCLOSED REAR PORCH REAR ROOF, OVERHANGING EXTENSION, A NEW PERGOLA, A NEW BRICK AND METAL GATEWAY, NEW LANDSCAPING, AND A STORAGE CLOSET.
ADDITION TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, ALL IN THE SECONDARY AND TERTIARY ABCS.
OKAY, SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE NONE AT THIS TIME MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? WHAT QUESTIONS MIGHT YOU HAVE? THERE'S A LOT IN THIS SMALL AREA IN THIS APPLICATION, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY WANT TO ASK THAT AT THIS TIME, BUT WAS THERE A DISCUSSION AT DESIGN REVIEW ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE GATE? YES.
WHEN I ASK HER A QUESTION ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO CAN WE GO BACK TO LOOK AT THE GATE AND THE COLUMNS BESIDE THE GATE? SO SHE HAS, WE DID DISCUSS THAT.
THE COLUMNS YOU SAID ARE THE SAME AS THE FENCE THAT GOES DOWN, LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IS THAT RIGHT? DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT FENCE? THE DRAWING THERE DOES SHOW, UM, THEIR REPRESENTATION OF IT ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE TO SEE THE, I DO SEE THE REPRESENTATION.
I'M ASKING HIM IF HE HAS AN ACTUAL, OH,
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WE'RE, WE'RE THAT WOULDN'T, THIS IS WHERE OUR NEW FIT IS GOLD IN PLACE OF THAT.IT WOULD BE A PRIVACY AS OPPOSED TO JUST BEING OR SO IS THIS, SO I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION CAUSE I'M UNSURE BECAUSE I, UH, I'M NOT THERE LOOKING AT THAT.
SO IS THIS NEW, THIS NEW GAME? THAT'S SIX FOOT TALL.
IS IT FAR ENOUGH BACK ON THE PROPERTY, SUCH THAT WE ARE NOT LIMITED TO A FOUR-FOOT GATE AND THE FRONT? YES, IT IS BACK FAR ENOUGH TO, YOU'VE BEEN THERE TO LOOK AT NO, IT'S, UH, IT IS WAY BACK BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THAT.
SO THAT BEING SIX FOOT IS OKAY.
HE, HIS, UH, SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT RIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE THESE PICTURES IN HERE BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT COME AND HAVE ISSUES WITH US ABOUT GATES AND ABOUT FENCES.
AND SO I WANT IT TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR WHY THESE COLUMNS ON YOUR GATE ARE AS TALL AS THEY ARE, BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE SAME ACCOMMODATION HERE THAT WE MADE TO THE LADY THAT HAD THE HOUSE THAT ALREADY HAD THESE TALL COLUMNS.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE NUMBER OF THAT HOUSE, BUT WE HAD TO MAKE THE SAME CALL ACCOMMODATIONS TO GET THE GATE THERE BECAUSE OF HOW HARD THE COLUMNS ALREADY WORK.
AND THIS IS THE SAME ACCOMMODATION THAT WE ARE MAKING HERE THAT, BECAUSE THAT FENCE IS ALREADY THAT TALL, IT WAS BUILT BEFORE WE WERE HERE, THAT WE'RE MAKING THE ACCOMMODATION, THAT THE COLUMNS FOR THE FENCE AND THE HIGHER THE FENCE IS ACCOMMODATING.
WHAT IS ALREADY THERE IS THAT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT? I SEE SHAKING THE, OKAY, I JUST WANT THESE PICTURES ARE THERE.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE MAKING THIS ACCOMMODATION, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT NORMALLY WHAT WE WOULD ALLOW YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
YOU KNOW, YOU D YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY NOT ACCOMMODATE THE HEIGHT OF THE WALLS THAT YOU HAVE DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE INSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE, THIS HOUSE, IN THIS CASE, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION I ASK.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I, THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED.
I THINK HE WAS STEALING A BRAND NEW.
YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW IT BECAUSE IT'S PREEXISTING.
AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK WHAT THEY DID DOWN THERE.
CAUSE WE, WE, AS A BOARD HAVE TO FACE THIS ALL THE TIME.
IT'S CONFIRMING THAT IT IS AN EXCEPTION DUE TO THE EXISTING.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY WANTED TO ASK AT THIS POINT IN TIME? OKAY.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS, UH, APPLICATION HERE WITH A CONDITION THAT WHEN ANNIE, CAN I SAY PLAYGROUND, IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR, UH, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? WELL, NOT REALLY, NOT REALLY WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE, SO THAT, UH, WITH, WITH THE CONDITION THAT WHEN ANY PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE PLACED ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY COULD SOLVE WITH MATT ABOUT THE SIZE AND THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE IN CASE THEY DO NEED TO COME BACK TO THE HPC.
CAN WE SAY THAT ANY STRUCTURE PUT THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE PURVIEW OF HPC, SHOULDN'T COME BACK TO HPC.
UM, SO, SO LET, LET ME SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A GUIDELINE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, 2.6 0.3, AND IT SAYS ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, SUCH AS SHEDS GAZEBOS, PERGOLAS, ARBORS TRELLISES, AND SIMILAR TYPES OF SITE IMPROVEMENTS WITH MINIMAL FOUNDATIONS, WHICH I WOULD CONSIDER ANY KIND OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, UM, ART TO SERVE AS A FOCAL POINTS WITHIN REAR YARD LANDSCAPES.
THESE FORMS HAVE DETAILED THESE FORMS AND DETAILING HAVE LITTLE RELATIONSHIP TO HISTORIC FABRIC AND CAN BE EASILY REMOVED WITHOUT CREATING
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PERMANENT DAMAGE.I THINK THAT'S KIND OF OUR GUIDELINE TO COVER THIS.
AND PART OF THE GUIDELINES SAYS THE REAR YARD, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE IN A TERTIARY AREA, VISUAL CONCERN.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, UM, WE'RE REALLY EVALUATING WHETHER IN FACT, WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE DRAWINGS IS IN THE BACKYARD.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE, UM, UH, THIS IS SOMETIMES COME UP AS MINORS.
AND SO WHAT WE REVIEW IS USUALLY THESE PLAY STRUCTURES HAVE SOME KIND OF LOOSE MATERIAL UNDERNEATH THEM.
SO WE USUALLY REVIEW WHAT THE EDGING MATERIAL IS FOR THAT, OR AT LEAST REMIND THEM WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED AS EDGING MATERIAL.
SO THAT WOULD BE MAYBE THE ONLY FOLLOWUP QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IS THE EDGING MATERIAL AROUND THAT? DO YOU KNOW FOR THE LAST PIECE? ALRIGHT, FIRST PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS NOT IMPORTANT.
APPLICATION PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS NOT THE APPLICATION THAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE.
SECOND, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN I WALKED IN AT DESIGN REVIEW OR MORE TO SAY THAT I BROUGHT WITH ME DESIGN DRAWINGS AND HAD PICTURES, IMAGES FROM THE INTERNET, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
AFTER ONE WEEK LATER, AS I WAS REQUIRED TO WATCH TONIGHT, I BOUGHT ANY GUITAR.
YOU SET OF DRAWINGS AND DOCUMENTS, ALL OF THOSE PICTURES OF REMOVED, NO FURNITURE PER, BELOW, NO FIRE PIT, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
UM, SO THE MARCH 9TH GUN BROUGHT TO YOUR OFFICE AND I'M NOT THROWING YOU UNDER THE BUS, BUT WHAT YOU SHOWED ME WAS MY DESIGN STUFF.
AND THAT'S WHY ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION HAS OCCURRED.
IF WE HAD LOOKED AT JUST MY MARCH NINE THUMB DRIVE, NONE OF THAT IN THE MOMENT.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE BOARD SHOULD BE.
THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE APPROVING IS WHAT I BROUGHT BACK.
ONE WEEK LATER, AS A RESULT OF THIS DESIGNER, WELL, THE BOARD IS BEING ATTENTIVE TO PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT FOR THE APPLICATION? IT'S NOT ON THE APPLICATION THAT HE SUBMITTED, THEN IT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.
AND SO WE INADVERTENTLY GOT SHOWN STUFF.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
WELL, THERE IS THE ONLY APPLICATION, SOMETHING, THIS IS A PLAYER THAT'S NOT THE OCCASION THAT HE SUBMITTED.
IT DOES SAY PLAYGROUND, IF YOU LOOK ON IT.
SO HE'S SAYING THAT WAS NOT THE PLAN THAT HE MEANT TO HAVE ON THERE.
SO RIGHT NOW THIS IS A DRAWING THAT COMES STRAIGHT FROM HIS FLASH DRIVE.
UH, I'LL WAIT, I'LL CLOSE THIS, ACTUALLY GO BACK AGAIN.
IT STAYED AT THREE NINE, AND THEN THERE'S A GATE PLAN DATED THREE NINE, THE REST OF THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE ALSO ON THE FLASH DRIVE OR THREE, ONE DATED.
SO, UH, THESE WERE WHAT WERE PROVIDED ON THE FLASH DRIVE.
SO I USED ALL OF THESE FOR THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE THE UP-TO-DATE ONES.
NOW IT TURNS OUT THERE'S TWO LANDSCAPING PLANS.
ONE'S A BACKYARD LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND THE OTHER ONE'S A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
I INCLUDED BOTH, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THIS ONE ON THE NINTH, I'LL SHOW YOU CLICK ON IT.
THIS IS THE, UH, SOME OF IT COMES UP ALL RIGHT.
SO THESE ARE THE FILES FOR THE LANDSCAPING OR REPORT DIRECTLY FROM THE THUMB DRIVE, THE LEX R D.
UM, THERE ARE TWO FILES THAT WERE NEW ON THE NINTH ARREST FOR, FROM THE FIRST I COPIED ALL OF THEM OVER IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE WERE THE DRAWINGS THAT HE WANTED PRESENTED.
I SUPPOSE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT HE ONLY WANTED THESE TWO DRAWINGS AND NONE OF THE REST EASY MISTAKE TO MAKE.
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CLICK ON THAT ONE AND IT STILL DOES SHOW LATE GROUND ON IT.SO ALL OF THAT BEING SAID IS MR. VAUGHN INTERESTED IN EMOTION OR NOT? WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, SO, UH, UH, ONE IS TO, AS HE'S NOW S UH, SUGGESTED THAT HE'S WITHDRAWING THAT FROM THE APPLICATION, WHICH HE CAN DO, UM, DURING THE MEETING.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S NO LONGER NECESSARY TO ADDRESS.
UM, WE'RE DONE, THESE ARE WITHDRAWING THIS PART OF HIS APPLICATION WHERE IT SAYS PLAYGROUND, CORRECT.
AND THAT LITTLE REPRESENTATION OF SOMETHING OR ANOTHER, YES, MA'AM MADAM CHAIR HEAT.
THE APPLICANT CAN WITHDRAW OR AMEND THEIR APPLICATION AT ANY POINT BEFORE A DECISION IS RENDERED.
AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE APPLICATION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY.
SO THAT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM THE APPLICATION SO WE CAN STOP THAT DISCUSSION.
SO DOES SOMEBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ASK? OKAY.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? THANKS, JIM.
OH, READY? ANYBODY YOU WANT TO DO IT? GO FOR IT.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO FIND THE APPLICATION FOUR TO 12 CHANGE STREET TO BE NOT IN CONGRESS WITH NEWBURN IS A CODE OF ORDINANCES, SECTIONS 15 DOT FOUR, 11 DASH 15 DOT FOUR, TWO NINE, AND NEWBORNS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
AND BASED ON THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS OF FACT.
SO LANDSCAPING 2.41, UM, 2.43, 2.47 FENCES AND GARDEN WALLS, 2.5 0.1 DESIGN PRINCIPLES, 3.1 0.1 3.1 0.5.
CAN YOU SCROLL FOR ME? THANKS.
I'M USING MY, LET'S SEE MODIFICATIONS 3.2 0.1 3.2 0.2.
SO ADDITIONS 3.3 0.1 3.3 0.2 AND 3.3 0.3 FOUNDATIONS, 4.1 0.1 4.1 0.3 AND FOUR WALLS AND TRIM WALLS, TRIM AND ORNAMENTATION.
4.2 0.1 4.2 0.4 ENTRANCES 4.4 0.1 4.4 0.5 ROOFS, 4.5 0.1 4.5 0.4 MASONARY 5.1 0.12 AND THREE, FOUR AND FIVE WOOD.
5.2 0.1 AND TWO METALS, 5.3 1 2, 3 AND FOUR PAINT.
AND THE FINDINGS OF FACTS ARE THAT THE PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NARROW STITCH DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, PRIMARILY IN THE TERTIARY, BUT ALSO IN THIS TYPE.
TIGHT WE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TERTIARY, BUT ALSO THE SECONDARY AREAS OF VISUAL CONCERN.
THE PROPOSAL IS A PROJECT THAT IS A COMBINATION OF REAR PORCH AND PATIO EXPANSION LANDSCAPING, AND A NEW REAR YARD GATE.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE GUIDELINES, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL HAVE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND COMMENTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT INCONGRUOUS WITH THE GUIDELINES.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND HERE.
ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL OF THOSE, BUT HEARING NONE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ISSUE A COA, SOME MOVE MOVING HERE.
DO WE HAVE A SECTION OF A CIRCUIT HERE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED HEARING NONE.
THE COA CAN BE ME, CAN BE THE ISSUE.
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THANK YOU.CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MS. PEGGY TO COME BACK? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE SECOND YEAR MOVED OVER THERE SECOND YEAR.
SAY, I SUPPOSE HEARING, PLEASE COME, COME BACK TO YOUR ASSIGNED TO SEE, OKAY.
WHY SHOULD YOU DO THAT? ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ALL BUSINESS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE HAVE ONE PERSON LEFT IN OUR GENERAL PUBLIC.
ANYTHING YOU WISH TO SAY? SHAKING THE HEAD.
[7.A. Select Acting Chair and Acting Vice Chair for the April 20, 2022 Regular Meeting]
NEW BUSINESS.UM, WE HAVE ONE ITEM THERE AND MY COMRADE HERE IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT ITEM.
SO OUR, UH, NEXT, UM, CERTIFICATE FOR APPROPRIATENESS HEARING MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS APRIL 20TH.
UH, BOTH, UH, I, MADAM CHAIR ARE UNAVAILABLE.
UM, FOR THAT MEETING, I'LL BE, IT WILL BE IN DIFFERENT PLACES IN CASE YOU WERE JUST WONDERING.
AND SO, UH, UH, THAT WE HAVE CONFERRED AND, UH, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS APPOINT A TEMPORARY CHAIR AND THE TEMPORARY VICE CHAIR TO HANDLE THAT MEETING IN OUR ABSENCE.
AND SO, UM, JIM BISBY, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, APPOINT AS OUR TEMPORARY CHAIR AND A NET STONE AS OUR TEMPORARY VICE CHAIRS, SHOULD JIM BE ABLE TO, UNABLE TO HANDLE THINGS.
AND SO I THINK WE'VE CONFERRED WITH COUNSEL AND THAT WE MAY NEED A VOTE FOR THAT MADAM CHAIR.
WELL, WE'VE CONFIRMED WITH STAFF THAT WE MAY NEED TO VOTE FOR THAT, AND WE NEED TO VOTE FOR THAT.
SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT? I MOVED THAT FOR THE APRIL PUBLIC HEARING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
SHE'S SUCH AND SUCH AT THE, OH, YOU'RE THE 20TH, APRIL THE 20TH AT FIVE 30 IN THE COURTROOM, RIGHT? MA'AM YES.
YOU MAKE A STAY AT THE NEW BERN CITY HALL, UH, JIM, THIS BE ACT AS CHAIR, AND THEN THAT STONE ACT AS VICE CHAIR OR THAT MEETING.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND FOR MS. PEGGY AS BIG AS THE SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED HEARING NONE.
[8.A. Report on CoAs Issued 02/08/2022 – 03/08/2022]
EIGHT IS ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT.UM, WE SEE ITEM A FOR MAJORS AND MINORS AND THE COA EXTENSIONS.
UM, OTHER ITEMS AND, UH, UPDATE, UH, ONE FOR THAT IS GOING TO BE THE RESILIENCE PLAN WITH JOHN.
MINISTER'S GOING TO GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.
SO I KNOW, UH, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO UPDATE YOU OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS ON THIS PLAN AS IT'S BEEN PROGRESSING.
UH, AND IT IS FINALLY REACHED ITS, UH, GOAL LINE.
UH, IT IS UP FOR ADOPTION AT A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING NEXT TUESDAY EVENING AT 6:00 PM IN THIS VERY ROOM, IF YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I HAVE, UH, SOME REPRESENTATIVE, UH, WELL, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE ENTIRE PLAN AND ALL OF ITS DEPENDENCIES, UH, LOADED UP HERE.
UH, SO SHOULD WE GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THOSE? SO, UH, THIS IS THE COVER, UH, AND, UH, THIS IS THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
UM, BUT, UM, UH, YOU MAY, THIS IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AT THE, ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, UH, SECTION OF THE WEBSITE AND THERE IS A RESILIENCY PAGE, UH, AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE RESILIENCY PAGE, UM, IT IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE BIG YELLOW STAR.
OH, SOMEBODY PUT A STAR ON OUR PAPER.
AND SO IT'S RIGHT THERE UNDERNEATH THE STAR AND THEN IT WILL PULL UP, UH, THE ENTIRE THING.
UH, BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME, UM, UM, MAJOR PARTS OF THE PLAN, UM, COULD LOOK AT THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT SHOWS THE STUDY AREA IS ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT LARGER THAN THE ACTUAL CITY LIMITS CITY LIMITS ARE SHOWN IN THE BLUE
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AREA, THE BLUE LINE, UH, SHOWN THERE IN THIS MAP.AND THEN THE BLACK LINE IS THE STUDY AREA, UH, BECAUSE RESILIENCY, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIMARILY, UH, RESILIENCY FROM MAJOR FLOODING STORMS, UH, SO HURRICANES, UH, AND LARGE, UM, STORMS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, YOU CAN KNOW THAT OF COURSE, UH, STORMS EFFECTS AND OUR, UM, CONCERNS MIGHT GO BEYOND OUR CITY LIMITS.
UH, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UPSTREAM ISSUES AS WELL AS EVACUATION ISSUES, AS WELL AS INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, ISSUES ALL IN THIS DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, ANOTHER BIG PART OF THIS WAS THE, UM, THE PLANNING PROCESS, UH, WAS VERY, UH, ROBUST IN PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND INPUT TO THE ROOM, UH, SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS.
UM, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE SECOND.
UM, BUT I SAW IT SAID PUBLIC MEETING FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO PUBLIC INPUT, THERE WAS AN ANALYSIS OF OUR CURRENT CAPACITIES, OUR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR CURRENT, UM, UH, SUPPORT SYSTEMS FOR VARIOUS THINGS, THE, UH, EVEN ITSELF WITH, UM, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE NEED FOOD OR NEED SHELTER DURING A STORM.
SO, UM, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WERE ALSO ADDRESSED.
SO IT'S ALSO PARTIALLY A HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.
AND SO, UM, ONCE IT'S ADOPTED ON THIS COMING TUESDAY, OUR NEXT STEP WOULD BE ACTUALLY TO, UH, INCORPORATE IT INTO THE REGIONAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, UH, SO THAT IT BECOMES PART OF THE OVERALL PLANNING FOR THE ENTIRE REGION HERE.
UM, AND THERE IS A PAGE DOWN HERE WHERE WE, WHERE IT BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT THE, UH, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SOONER THAN THAT.
THERE IS, UH, UH, UH, THE ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING, UM, CONDITIONS, UH, IN THE STUDY AREA WERE STUDIED AND, UH, INPUT IN A COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT ALSO HELPS THE CITY TO UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF VARIOUS TYPES AND DEGREES OF INUNDATION OR STORM RELATED, UM, EFFECTS, SO THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO KNOW MAYBE WHAT ARE THE FIRST PRIORITY THINGS TO TAKE CARE OF THE SECOND PRIORITY, ET CETERA, THAT HELPS US PRIORITIZE OUR EFFORTS AND THESE, UH, THESE, UH, IMAGES HERE, THE, UM, ILLUSTRATIONS BEGIN TO SHOW SOME OF THAT.
UM, IT EVEN GOES HOWEVER, DOWN TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING LEVEL, UM, IN THIS CASE, UM, THIS ONE IS SHOWING ROADS AND PROPERTIES POTENTIALLY INACCESSIBLE TO A 100 YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN INUNDATION AND A MAP SHOWING THE NUMBER OF ALL PROPERTIES POTENTIALLY INACCESSIBLE WITHIN THIS STUDY, UH, WITHIN, FOR THE STUDY, THE BOTTLE.
SO, UM, THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA WOULD WELL, THE CITY WOULD KNOW WHICH PEOPLE IN THIS AREA OF THE CITY WOULD BE STRANDED ESSENTIALLY BY, UH, A FLOODING CONDITION OR IN THIS CASE INUNDATED.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES.
SO, BUT THE CONCERN FOR THIS COMMISSION IS REGARDING THE HISTORY AND HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
AND THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION, UM, THE GOAL OF GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THEM LISTED HERE THE FIRST FOUR, AND THEN THE SIXTH ONE IS CULTURAL HERITAGE, AND THAT'S WHERE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, UH, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WERE, UM, GATHERED TOGETHER, UH, INTO ONE SECTION.
SO, UH, SO ONCE GET INTO THE PLAN, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND READ SOME OF THOSE, AND THEN WE HAVE ALL OF THE VARIOUS APPENDICES.
SO THE PLAN ITSELF IS 150 PAGES.
ALL THE DEPENDENCIES THEN ARE 650 PAGES.
SO WE MIGHT WANT TO SKIM OVER THOSE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT IS ENOUGH FOR THAT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR OVERVIEW.
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UH, AT, AT SOME POINT, UH, DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD SUMMARIZE THE PARTICULAR IMPLICATIONS FOR US AND, AND GO OVER THOSE? YEAH.SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY, GO OVER AT THE NEXT DESIGN REVIEW MEETING AND GO OVER IN MORE DETAIL.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE VERY GREAT.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THAT WOULD ADJOURN? YEP.
UH, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THIS POINT? OH, SHE DID.
YOU MAKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN.
DO WE HAVE THE SECOND JOHN CIRCUIT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.