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MY ELDER AARON SANDERS.

PRAISE THE LORD.

LET US PRAY, FATHER GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU RIGHT NOW, LORD GOD FOR BEING OUR GOD.

OH GOD.

WE KNOW THAT.

THOU ART AND OMNISCIENCE GOD.

OH GOD.

GOD.

WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU RIGHT NOW, LORD.

GOD THAT YOU'VE ALLOWED US ANOTHER DAY.

LORD GOD.

OH FATHER GOD, WE STAND BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW.

AS HUMBLE AS WE KNOW HOW COMING TO YOU FOR PRAYER, LORD GOD.

OH GOD, WE PRAY THAT YOU'LL LOOK DOWN UPON THIS SERVICE THIS EVENING, LORD GOD, OH GOD TAKE CONTROL OF OUR MINDS OR GOD THAT WE SEEK NOT TO TEAR DOWN, BUT LORD GOD THAT WE SEEK SOLUTIONS OR GOD, WE PRAY THAT YOU TAKE CONTROL OF OUR MILES AND OUR MINDS.

LORD GOD, WE PRAY THAT LORD GOD, THAT YOU WILL BE WITH US, LORD GOD.

AND THAT THAT WISDOM WILL REIGN SUPREME THIS EVENING.

THESE AND OTHER BLESSINGS.

I DO ASK A NICE SON CHRIST JESUS NAME.

WE PRAY.

AMEN.

INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

YES, MA'AM HERE.

UM, NUMBER THREE, FOUR, WHICH IS THE SWIMMING POOL.

MAYOR MEMBERS.

THE BOARD I HAVE IN MY HAND, A GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE 19 98 99 PARK AND RECREATION TRUST FUND.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE BOARD IS DO YOU WANT ME TO APPLY FOR A SWIMMING POOL THROUGH THIS GRANT PROCESS AGAIN THIS YEAR? SURE.

I MEAN, IS THERE A REASON WE WOULDN'T? YEAH, I CAN THINK OF A REASON.

OKAY.

KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING ABOUT THIS THE WRONG WAY.

IT'S VERY SLOW ME TRYING TO GET THIS BUILT.

I THINK IT WAS SEVEN OR EIGHT ENTITIES THAT APPLY FOR THE GRANT FUNDING.

AND I THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE TOLD US WHAT WE CAN EXPECT THAT THE STATE DOES NOT CONSIDER WHO COULD BE ABROAD AS FAR AS GETTING GRANTS.

AND I THINK THAT THOSE BRANDS ARE BASICALLY DESIGNED FOR GOVERNMENTS THAT HELP ACTIVE, NO MEANINGFUL RECREATION.

I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GO GET ON AND HAVE A WORK SESSION.

LET'S SEE, WANT TO FUND THIS POOL, JUST MOVE FORWARD.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIE ON THIS GRANT, BUT IF WE APPLY FOR THE GRANT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IF WE DON'T LIE.

I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A FELLA.

THAT'S IN CHARGE OF IT SITTING NEXT TO MS. BATOR, UH, CRAVING, UH, GREEK SIDE, RECREATIONAL DEDICATION THE OTHER DAY.

AND SHE INTRODUCED ME TO IT AND REMINDED ME THAT HE WAS THE GUY.

THEY DIDN'T GIVE US THE GRANT.

SO I EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT OUR GRANT, OUR GRANT REQUEST WAS MORE TO DO WITH SAFETY THAN JUST RECREATION, BUT IT WAS TEACHING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HOW TO SWIM WHEN THE TWO RIVERS CAME, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, HE JUST, HE SAID, MAKE SURE WE GET THE VEIN.

AND AGAIN, NEXT YEAR THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL, NOT MAKE IT THE FIRST GO AROUND.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, UM, I AGREED THE POOL MIGHT NOT HAVE TO BE CONTINGENT ON GRANT, BUT I DON'T THINK IF WE DON'T APPLY FOR IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT.

AND HE SEEMED TO ME PRETTY POSITIVE.

I MEAN, HE DIDN'T WASN'T GUARANTEEING ANYTHING, BUT HE WAS ENCOURAGED IF A STUDENT BACK IN THE HOUSE , I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO APPLY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THIS BRAND SOLE CRITERIA FOR US TO BUILD THIS POOL BECAUSE WE ALMOST PROMISED THAT WE WOULD WANT TO TRY TO GET A POOL.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE POOLING AROUND BY NEXT SUMMER.

WE HAVE VERY HOT SUMMER THIS PAST SUMMER.

I JUST WANT THIS POOL TO PROCEED WITH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT A REASONABLE DELAY.

AND I LIKED IT.

I THINK IT WAS SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT FUNDING MEETINGS, BUT MR. FREEZE COULDN'T MAKE

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A MEETING, BUT IT HAD BEEN THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

IS THAT RIGHT? WHEN DID THE GRANT DON'T ASK, WHEN DID THE GRANT APPLICATION, I'M SORRY, OCTOBER, I GUESS.

NO, I TAKE THAT BACK FEBRUARY.

NOT IN THAT FIRST OCTOBER IS WHEN THEY HAVE A WORKSHOP FOR IT'LL BE NEXT SONG BEFORE WE EVEN HEAR A WORD.

BUT I THINK YOUR POINT IS WE SHOULDN'T BE DID THE POETRY TANGENT UPON THE GRANTS AND HER QUESTION IS, DID SHE APPLY FOR THEM? AND I THINK MY OPINION IS SHE SHOULD APPLY FOR THE GRANT BECAUSE AGAIN, TO NOT APPLY, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET, WHAT IS IT? $250,000, 250,000, RIGHT? MATCHING GOOD MAYOR.

AND I THINK YOU SHOULD APPLY TO THIS, BUT I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO PROCEED WITH THIS BUILDING THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE DEPENDING ON US, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT IT.

UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME IF THEY WANT TO, IF I WANT TO BUILD TO BRING FOLKS DOWN HERE, I TOLD THEM NOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE POOL WAS COMMITTED, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US TO PROCEED AND PROBABLY HAVE SOME KIND OF APPROVAL IN THE GROUND BY THE SUMMER.

I'M ALL FOR GOING AHEAD AND LAYING SOME PLANS.

BUT I THINK IT'D BE FOOLISH FOR US NOT CONSIDER A $250,000 GRANT THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE OUR TAX MONEY TO BUILD IF WE CAN GET IT.

AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY BY THE TIME WE GOT OUR PLANS AND ALL LAID OUT THAT WE WOULD KNOW WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO BE GETTING THIS GRANT OR NOT.

YEAH, NO, NO.

I MEAN, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND GET IT.

AND IF WE GET IT, THEN THAT WAS HELPED SUBSIDIZE, I THINK POSSIBLY ONE OF THE GROUND BY THE TIME IT GETS HOT NEXT YEAR.

CAUSE I THINK WE JUST, WE CAN'T ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL ASK CANADA, NEW CAMPAIGN, DO YOU FAVOR POOL? AND MOST OF US SAID, ALL OF US SAID YES.

AND ALL THOSE GUYS, THE PERSON WHO DIDN'T WANT A POOL NO, WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT WE'VE SEEN.

UH, I THINK WE SHOULD APPLY.

WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND MAKING GRANTS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT BACK BEFORE WE COMMIT OURSELVES ENTIRELY.

THE WORD, THE WORD WOULD BE, I WOULD THINK TO GO AHEAD WITH IT WITH THE GRANT, BUT NOT TO WHITE FOR THE GRANT, HE ROCKING WITH THE POOL.

SO IT WAS ALL, EVERYBODY IN FAVOR, ANYBODY OPPOSED TO IT, OR MY POSITION IS THE SAME AS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VERY LARGE EXPENSES FACING US OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF THREE YEARS.

I JUST WANT TO SEE THEM ALL LAID OUT IN ONE ROW AND KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM FOR EACH ONE.

AND IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF GETTING A GRANT, IT WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT TO APPLY FOR IT.

AND I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THE SWIMMING POOL IS SOMETHING WE ALL WANT TO SEE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM BEFORE I BUY ANYTHING.

I DON'T, I DON'T BUY THINGS UNLESS I KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM.

COULD YOU PLEASE, WHEN YOU SUBMIT THAT GRANT, REMIND US ALL OF US ON THE BOARD THAT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED AND WHEN DID THE, UH, THE TIMING IS SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS THIS YEAR WE'LL KNOW THAT THE 1ST OF JULY, WHETHER WE GOT IT.

AND ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS GRANT, THE MONEY IS EVER ON IT ALL SUBMITTED FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY, CORRECT? IT IS WHEN YOU PUT IT IN THE MAILBOX OR WHATEVER IT IS WITH REMINDERS THAT YOU JUST SET THE GRAY OFF IN ITS OWN WAY AND IT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED.

SO WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT IT AND MAYBE HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE, BUT WE DID WHAT HE SAY.

WE SENT THE GRANT AND WE'VE BEEN PATIENT.

OUR POOL CONSIDERATIONS ARE NOT JUST RECREATION AS IMPORTANT AS RECREATION IS, BUT IT'S TO HELP TO TRAIN PEOPLE HOW TO SWIM BECAUSE YOU KNOW, NOT GOING TO BE WAY UP TO WHEREVER.

SOMETIMES WATER IS THE WAY IT AIN'T SUPPOSED TO GET DEEPER AND SHIT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A SAFETY THING.

SO YOU KNOW, THAT DON'T BE AN EXTRA WEIGHT IN OUR FIGHT AND I INTEND TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THE, ALL THE LIGHTS AND THE FLAVOR AND THEY MAKE, MAKE WHATEVER DECISION IT IS LIKE, MATE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

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ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOW PROBABLY HERE TO CONSERVATIVE 1999, THEY NEED BG APPLICATION, MR. MAYO AND WEIGH IN AND I'M PROUDLY.

I BELIEVE THAT I CAN NOW SAY CBBG LIKE PAM AND ALWAYS DID A CDBG.

AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE'S GOING TO HAVE A DOSE AS TO ANOTHER ACRONYM.

H M GPS AND OTHER THINGS ON YOUR WAY.

SO JUST TO KEEP YOU ON YOUR TOES, UH, UM, THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING IS OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR 1999 SLASH YEAR 2000 CDBG APPLICATION.

AND YOUR MEMO, I GAVE YOU THE BACKGROUND.

UM, DURING THE PROCESS, WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT ALL THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAD OUR FILE.

WE THEN NARROWED IT DOWN BASICALLY TO TWO AREAS WHERE WE HAD THE GREATEST CONCENTRATION OF NEED BASED ON REQUEST ALSO BASED ON AN ASSESSMENT OF THE CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AFTER DOING SURVEYS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, WE CAME UP WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS PRESENTED ON YOUR DESK HERE, THIS, THIS TARGET AREA.

UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO WITH THIS APPLICATION IS TARGET AN AREA AROUND GARDEN STREET, BASICALLY FROM, UM, STARTING MIDWAY FROM WILLIAM STREET UP TO GOLDSBORO STREET, AND THEN KIND OF SPREADING AROUND, TAKING UP AN AREA ABOUT 19 UNITS.

IN ADDITION TO THE HOUSING REHAB, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE SEWER LINE, UM, BACK IN 1992, UH, PASS, UH, GRAY STREET, WE REPLACED THE LINE THERE WORKED IN AGE AND I, AND IN THAT AREA, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS TO TIE IN A NEW LINE ALL THE WAY DOWN GUARD STREET TO THAT LINE.

WE SPOKE WITH THE WATER AND SEWER AND THEY SAID THAT LINE WAS DETERIORATED AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.

SO MRS. ESSENTIALLY THE APPLICATION WE ARE SUGGESTING AND RECOMMENDING THAT YOU PROPOSE FOR THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT, WHICH IS $750,000.

UM, WE'RE STILL CHECKING INTO THE LOCAL COMMITMENT TO DETERMINE WHAT WILL GIVE US THE MOST POINTS.

UM, AS I PUT IN THE MEMO, IT WOULD BE BETWEEN 127,000 TO 159,000 AS A LOCAL MATCH FOR THIS PROJECT.

THAT'S A QUICK SUMMARY.

GREAT.

ANY QUESTIONS, RYAN BOUNDS? UH, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF, UH, AN ARRANGEMENT WITH TRENT WOODS? LIKE WE HAD ONE YEAR BEFORE TO SWEETEN THE POT A LITTLE BIT.

UM, THE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT AND LOOK BRIEFLY AT THE ALTERNATIVE DONOR SCATTER SIDE APPLICATION WITH THEM JUST AS WE HAD DONE IN THE PAST WHERE THEY APPLIED FOR IT, BUT IT WAS IN OUR JURISDICTION.

UH, BUT GIVING STAFF AND RESTRAINTS, BUT FROM THEIR SIDE ON OUR SIDE WITH THE HAZARD MITIGATION PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP, WE JUST DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO BOTH FOLLOWING WITHIN THE THRESHOLD PERIOD.

I MEAN, THERE'S A SET PERIOD TO GET THIS WORK DONE.

IN ADDITION TO THIS WORK, WE HAVE THE ACQUISITION OF ABOUT 30 PROPERTIES, 30 TO 40 PROPERTIES PLUS 84 ELEVATIONS PLUS ADDITIONAL 20 REHABS.

SO WE'VE WE HAVE A PLATEFUL.

WE DID THINK WE COULD MANAGE BOTH OF THOSE.

WE'LL KEEP YOU BUSY.

YES.

OKAY.

I CUT HERE AND ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE RANT? GOOD EVENING.

HI, I'M SHIRLEY BROCK AND I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.

OKAY.

UM, THE LAST TIME THAT I WAS HERE, I BELIEVE BARBARA SUGGESTED THAT THEY HAVE A SCATTER OF ABOUT 10 HOUSES THEY TALKED ABOUT.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

AND, UM, MR. BAYLOR CAME OUT AND SAID THAT I WAS ONE OF THE ONES OF THE 10, BUT UM, EVERY TIME I CALLED, UM, THE MAYOR WOULDN'T TALK TO ME.

HE SAID IT STILL, WASN'T NO PHONES, BUT NOW I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS ANY FUNDS TO GET MY HOUSE IN THAT 10 THAT, UH, I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS ONE OF GIVE HIM YOUR ADDRESS.

1422 LINCOLN STREET.

I'M IN THIS AREA HERE, BUT I'M ON THIS SIDE OF IT.

BUT, UM, I WAS TOLD AND I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY WOULD KEEP THE PROMISE THAT TO ME, ONE OF THEM THAT COULD BE FIXED AND IT REALLY DO NEED FIXING.

SINCE MY HUSBAND DIED, I CAN DO A FEW THINGS, BUT I DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MY HOUSE NEEDS LIKE PLUMBING, FLOORS, CLOSET, AND, UM, I'M REALLY IN NEED OF A ROOF ON IT.

I PASSIONATE AND PASSIONATE, PASSIONATE THE FRAME OF MY HOUSE LOOKED GOOD.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO COME IN AND THEN YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE FLOOR IS A VERY WEAK AND ALL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN DIFFERENT SPOTS AND EVERYTHING.

SO I DARE

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NOT TAKE UP A RUG WHEN I PUT ANOTHER ONE DOWN, JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF, UM, I WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED IN THAT 10 SCATTER.

I BELIEVE HE SAID THERE WAS GOING TO STOP DOING SO MUCH ON THE AVENUES AND DO 10 SCATTERED HOUSES.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING WAS TO BRING, UH, THE GRANT BACK TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HE'S BRINGING IT BACK TO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS ABOUT THE SCATTER SITES.

I TOLD HER FROM THE MEETING.

I HONESTLY COULDN'T RECALL WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SETTING SIDE, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, CAN WE DO SCATTER, BUT, UM, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRST NEW GRANT APPLICATION SINCE THE 9 7 1.

UM, SO I, I DON'T RECALL WHEN THAT WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.

I NEVER MISSED WHY SHE'S BEEN HERE ALMOST EVERY YEAR IN THE CATABOLIC HEARING.

WE TALKED ABOUT LOGAN, WHAT DO WE TALK ABOUT? WHAT IS IT? DISCRETIONARY FUNDS.

YEAH.

SOME PRO SOMETHING THAT WHEN IT'S OVER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT, UH, SOME DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, OKAY, ISN'T IT, AS WE DO HAVE AN EXCESS BONDS, BUT WITH RECURRENT BRAND, YOU BASICALLY TO COMPLETE THE ACTIVITIES WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE FUNDS LEFT OVER IN 92 WAS ONE OF THOSE YEARS WHERE WE DID HAVE FUNDS AND WE DID, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF DOING IT THE 97 PROGRAM OR MY ADVISOR.

OKAY.

SO I GUESS MS. BROCK IS ASKING ME THINK THAT THERE'S ANY WAY SHE COULD BE CONSIDERED IN THIS INSANE.

WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN A CONCENTRATED GRANT PROGRAM, WHICH MEANS WE COME INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT A SCATTERED PROGRAM.

THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT HERE, SCATTERED LIVING ON THAT IS THREE HUNDRED FIFTY SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS.

AND IT IS, YOU UNDERSTAND GREG, RIGHT? YES.

RIGHT IN BETWEEN, CONSIDER THAT.

THAT'S HOW WE EXCESS MONEY.

WE WOULD ALLOCATE THOSE TO FIX HOUSES, SCARCE THAT RIGHT.

TRYING TO GET IT TO ADDRESS HOUSING PROBABLY WOULDN'T RANK VERY WELL.

AND ALL OF THIS WAS DRIVEN BY THE COMPETITION FOR MONEY.

WE CAN'T JUST GO DO WHAT WE FEEL LIKE NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WE'VE GOT TO DO WHAT THE STATE WANTS TO SEE AS WELL.

THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET ENOUGH POINTS TO ENSURE THAT LIBERALS ARE THE WATER, RIGHT? SO WE REALLY ARE AT MERCY.

AND ONE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL EXCEPT THE LAST TIME MY DISTRICT.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO RAYMOND AND CAIN ABOUT TRYING TO SET THE APPLICATION LATER, THAT ALL THAT DEER IS TO GET THEIR MONEY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS SET IN TOWN, YOU NEED TO RELY ON THE RECOMMENDATION.

I CONTESTED YESTERDAY.

IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T VISITED MS. BROCK'S HOUSE, MAYBE YOU CAN GO AND ASSESS IT AND GIVE HER SOME CLARIFICATION OF THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

I KNOW, VERSUS THEY HAD ALREADY BEEN OUT PICTURES OF IT.

AND UNDER THE HOUSE ON TOP IN THE HOUSE, GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH HER HOUSE AS MUCH AS IT IS WORKING ON HOUSES.

UM, AND WHAT MIGHT YOU NEED TO MEET HER AGAIN? OUR PROJECT, WHAT I KEEP CUTE? I CAN'T REMEMBER STUFF, YOU KNOW, GET KIND OF, OH, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER SOMETHING KEEPS LOCAL INITIATIVES.

WHAT'S THAT ABOUT? WELL, NO LOCALLY INITIATIVE.

THERE, THERE IS A CATEGORY OF THE APPLICATION CALLED LOCAL OPTION FOR WE'RE TAKING, AS WE'RE PUTTING PART OF OUR COMPETITIVE MONEY, WHICH IS ALL OF OUR IN BETWEEN GOLDSBORO WORLD IMMERSION INSIDE.

AND THEN THE EXTENSION ON DOWN TO REPLACE THAT OLD CARE COST IN THERE.

SO THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED .

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DID ANYONE AT WORK DISCRETION THERE? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IF YOU GOT ANY MONEY, DISCRETIONARY RESISTANCE, I JUST MADE MY RECOMMENDATION ANY MONEY.

COME BACK TO THE COMMENT.

OKAY.

NOW, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? WHAT ARE YOU TELLING ME? THE THING, I GUESS BASICALLY THAT WE'VE ALWAYS SAY THIS, THAT THEY'LL BE IN THE AREA AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THEY WILL TRY TO GET THE MONEY.

SO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU STAYED AT YOUR KNEE, SO WE'RE VERY MUCH AWARE OF YOUR NEEDS AND WE'LL JUST I'M HEAD.

I SWEAR TO GET THINGS DONE.

IT'S JUST, I MEAN, YOU SEE, I'M PATCHING UP AS MUCH AS I CAN.

OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE.

IF YOU JUST KEEP PERSISTING, BUT WE HAVEN'T YET RECEIVED THE FUNDS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY THAT WE APPLIED FOR.

NOW.

LAST TIME WHEN YOU CAME DOWN HERE, WE WERE APPLYING LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW, THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS FOR APPLYING AND WE DIDN'T GET IT.

YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR IT.

AND THAT WAS LAST, LAST YEAR.

AND SO THIS YEAR WE HOPE TO QUALIFY FOR IT.

AND ONCE WE GET THE MONEY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN JUGGLE, BUT WE WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE TARGET.

YOUR HOUSE WAS NOT INCLUDED OBVIOUSLY.

AND THE NUMBER OF HOUSES IN THAT PARTICULAR DEAL, JUST KEEP ME IN.

GOOD.

FIRST.

WE HAVE TO GET THE MONEY.

YEAH.

WELL THE ONE THING IS THAT THEY DO TEND TO STAY IN THAT SAME AREA FOR FUTURE GRANTS.

SO IF THEY WERE TO ADOPT ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS CLOSE BY THIS ONE, THEY MIGHT VERY WELL BE ABLE TO LEAVE YOUR HOUSE IN THAT PROJECT, COMING UP IN THE FUTURE AS THEY HAVE IT.

SO THIS HELPS YOU, THIS PROJECT HERE HELPS YOU TO GET CLOSER TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING TO GET AND I'LL NEED OUT THERE.

YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE AWARE BECAUSE WE ALL LIVE IN.

IT'S JUST SO GREAT.

IT'S JUST SO GREAT IN THIS, THE MONEY.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF WHOEVER GIVE US THE MONEY COULD COME DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK, I CAN TELL YOU, WE CAN CONVINCE THEM THAT WE, THAT WE NEED MORE MONEY.

IT'S TREMENDOUS OVER THERE.

OKAY.

THANKS.

BUT JUST DON'T FORGET.

WE WON'T FORGET.

MY NAME IS MARY CARTER STONE, AND I'M GLAD TO BE HERE.

ONE MORE TIME.

I'VE BEEN VISITING MR. MAYO FOR EIGHT YEARS, BUT ANYWAY, SIX YEARS I'VE BEEN IN THE COMPUTER AND ALL, I WANT TO KNOW, RELAX AFTER LIVE, TO SEE MY HOUSE REPAIRED ON RALEIGH STREET.

THIS MORNING, I WENT TO VISIT MR. MAYO.

AND I TOLD HIM WHAT I HAD READ IN THE PAPER AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HE SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO THE 1300 BLOCK AND I LIVED 1209.

OH, WHY? IT TAKES SO LONG.

I'M SINGLE PERSON, 74 YEARS OLD TAXES RISE EVERY YEAR.

AND I'M WAITING EVERY YEAR SOMEONE COULD VISIT ME AND THEY TAKE PICTURES AND THE SAVE THIS OR THAT.

I SAY, IF WE COULD JUST HELP WITH THE OUTSIDE, FORGOT ABOUT THE INSIDE, THIS THE REAL, SEE WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN IT BE DONE FOR SENIOR CITIZEN IN NEBRASKA? WHO IS IT A SPEAK FOR THEM? DO THEY HAVE TO CONTINUE YEAR AFTER YEAR TO HEAR YOU'RE IN THE COMPUTER? IT'S A SHAME NET BURDEN.

IS IT SPENDING? I WAS GONE FROM NEVER IN 47 YEARS.

AND I CAME BACK.

I'VE MET MANY BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT HAS MOVED TO NEWBURN.

THEY LOVE NEVER, NEVER IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

I TRAVELED ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, BUT THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE NEBRASKA.

I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER MARY CARTER STONE DOWN AT THE ALVA HOUSE IS MINE BABIES,

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KATIE AND N FROM BAJA ARLEN.

LAST MONTH, THE BEST OF FAMILY CAME UP TO VISIT ME.

THEY GAVE ME THOSE 100 YEARS OLD DOG.

I LEFT THEM THERE AT THE OLIVER HOUSE SO THAT EVERYONE COULD GO AND VISIT AND SEE THOSE BABIES.

WELL, I TELL THEM, I SAYS, I'M STILL IN THE GHETTO, THE SEMINARY.

WE STILL LOVE YOU.

I SLEPT ON BIT IN THE COMPUTER.

I KNOW, EIGHT YEARS, BUT Y'ALL CAN VISIT THE ALPHA HOUSE AND SEE KATIE AND ANNA.

THEY WERE GIVEN TO ME BY THE BEST OF FAMILY FROM THE HARBOR ISLAND, FLORIDA, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PHRASE FOR THIS.

AND THEY LOVE NEWBORNS SO MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE? ALL ENVIRONMENTS.

ALRIGHT.

IN THE COMMENTS? WELL, UM, IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND BASICALLY HAVE THEM MAKE SOME DECISION, ALL THIS, THIS APPLICATION, AS WE'RE PROPOSING IT, UM, TO AUTHORIZE YOU TO GET AHEAD TO THAT, WE CAN SUBMIT IT.

ANY PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

WE DON'T MAKE A VOICE.

WE, IT ALL IN FAVOR SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.

NO.

I MAY ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT, AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.

SO THIS IS WHEN IT GETS FRUSTRATING.

WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO DO HAVE NEEDS.

AND WE REALIZED THAT THEY, THAT THE NEEDS ARE GREAT.

WHENEVER WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF RESOURCES, THAT'S, WHAT'S FRUSTRATING.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ASSESS WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE THE GREATEST NEED IN PLEASANT HILL.

I GOT A COUPLE OF PETS AT OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT I FRIENDS, PET, FRIENDS THAT I HAVE UP THERE WHO ARE VERY PATIENT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST, UH, YEAR AFTER YEAR AND TIME AFTER TIME AS WELL.

DO YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD BE ANY THING THAT WE CAN DO IN PLEASANT HILL WITH THIS PARTICULAR GRANT OR IF THERE IS A GRANT THAT WE MIGHT CAN CONSIDER, I'M JUST GLAD YOU FEEL WARM NOW AGAIN, TOO.

THE DISCUSSION WITH WHO GETS TO SPEAK FIRST, BUT YEAH, WE BASICALLY LOOKED AT THREE AREAS.

GREG ASKED ME TO GO VISIT THREE AREAS IN DETAIL.

ONE WAS PLEASANT HILL.

ONE WAS THIS AREA.

AND ONE WAS BACK THERE WITH THE AVENUES.

WE PUT OUR 97 PROGRAM AND SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING PLEASANT HILL.

THERE IS A LOT OF NEED IN PLEASANT HILL.

UM, BUT IT'S INTERDIS FIRST AMONG NON THE UNITS.

ONCE IN OUR SURVEYOR PROGRAM COULD GO OUT THERE AND WOULD PROBABLY BE A SCATTERED SITE TYPE PROGRAM GO IN THAT AREA.

WHEN YOU THINK, UM, AND AS MIKE WAS EXPLAINED EARLIER, THERE'S A TRADE-OFF, UM, WE GET TO PICK UP THOSE HOUSES, BUT WE GET A LOT LESS MONEY.

SO IN THE END, THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE ON THE COMMUNITIES AS MUCH LESS SO, AS, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THERE ARE AREAS, CLUSTERS OF WHY TO HOMES IN SUBSTANDARD STREETS AND FAILINGS, EXCEPT IT LINES, THEN, YOU KNOW, OUR OPINION AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DO THE CONCENTRATED APPLICATION AS MORE MONEY AND HAS A GREATER IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

OH, I THINK YOUR APPROACH IS GOOD.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WOULD, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT COULD BE HELPFUL IN SCATTERED SITES, SCATTERED NEEDS.

UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE USE THAT WORD AND FOLKS, WE'RE GOING TO THROW IT BACK IN, RIGHT? UM, WELL, ONE THINGS THAT WE DO IS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO COME DOWN AND APPLY TO US, WE ALSO ENCOURAGE THEM TO CHECK THE OTHER RESOURCES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

UM, TWIN RIVERS DOES A WEATHERIZATION PROGRAM, WHICH ARE MINOR REPAIRS, NOT AS STRUCTURAL, BUT WINDOWS, DOORS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT TEND TO BE REAL PROBLEMS WITH SOME PEOPLE.

THEY IS THIS AT LEAST A STOP GAP MEASURE.

UM, THE HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY IS, UH, ANOTHER AGENCY THAT WE'VE USED THEM RECENTLY FOR OUR TAX CREDIT DEAL AT, UM, CHASE.

WE DID A SCATTER SITE REHAB WITH THEM.

IT WAS A VERY SMALL WINDOW PROJECT, BUT, UM, IT'S CERTAINLY NOW THAT WE'VE COMPLETED ONE WITH THEM, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE IS AS, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX HOUSES OR 10 HOUSES, BUT IT HELPS GET THE LIST DOWN, GET PEOPLE OFF THE LIST.

UM, SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THOSE.

OKAY.

FOR A LITTLE COMMENT.

SO THANK

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YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT THING THEY CONSIDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, THE CONSENT OF YES, YES, YES.

OKAY.

CAN YOU POINT WITH THIS, MATT? NO, SIR.

I DON'T HAVE HIM.

NO, NOT TONIGHT, SIR.

NO, SIR.

NO, SIR.

NONE TONIGHT.

YES, SIR.

I'LL MAKE UPS UP.

SO YOU GET I, YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT IT.

THAT WAS ABOUT THE, UH, THE CONCERN THAT I WAS HAVING, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES VERSUS TRAILERS VERSUS MODULARS.

AND, UH, I HAD A PROBLEM IN SOME OF THE, A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND, UM, SO I ASKED MIKE AVERY AND BERNARD GEORGE, IF THEY WOULD LOOK INTO IT AND TELL ME WHY, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I COULD ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS HAVING.

AND I, I WAS, I WAS SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT MODULAR HOMES IN PARTICULAR COULD BE PUT IN ANY ZONE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY WERE TELLING ME ABOUT THIS CONFERENCE THAT THEY WENT TO THAT TALKED ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF MODULAR HOMES.

WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN, WHEN A PERSON BUYS A MODULAR HOME OR TRAILER, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A DIFFERENCE IN A MODULAR HOME, IN A TRAILER AND IN THE PEOPLE COMMUNITIES HAVE THIS FEAR THAT IF SOMEBODY BRING A MODULAR OR BRING A TRAILER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S IT DOES SOMETHING LESS TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY NATURALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHARACTER, THAT NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I THINK THAT IF THEY KNEW THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT MIKE AND BERNARD KNOW ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES AND EFFECT ON EFFECTIVE MODULARS OR TRAILERS IN NEIGHBORHOODS, THEN MAYBE THERE WOULD NOT BE SUCH AN ALARM ABOUT IT.

THAT IS A TOTAL ALARM ABOUT IT.

WHEN PEOPLE WALK AROUND AND NEXT TO THE BRICK HOMES, THEY SEE WHAT APPEARS TO THEM TO BE A TRAILER.

AND THEY GET THIS IMAGE THAT WILL TRAILERS WILL BE BOUGHT INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND SORT OF LIKE BRING DOWN THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES.

SO I WAS WONDERING IF AT OUR NEXT BOARD MEETINGS, I WAS GOING TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING OF, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE HOUSE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS PARTICULAR CONCERN, BUT IT MIGHT BE A CONCERN FOR EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY TELL ME THAT YOU COULD PUT A MODULAR HOME IN GREENBRIAR, OLD TOWN OR ANY PLACE LIKE THAT, THEN YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ACCEPTED, THEY GOT TO COME, WHAT IS IT, RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT WERE, UH, LIMITED ON DISCOURAGING, BUT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE, PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY ABOUT IT OR TO LEARN INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

AND THEN IT WON'T BE SO LONG WHEN THEY SEE OTHERS MAKING THESE CHOICES.

SO I WAS JUST THINKING THAT IF, IF IN OUR NEXT MEETING, LIKE WHEN WE HAVE LIKE, WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, IF WE CAN HAVE LIKE A PUBLIC INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO, UM, MOBILE HOMES AND MODULAR HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING, PEOPLE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS CAN COME AND ASK MIKE OR MIKE AND BERNARD COULD MAKE THAT PRESENTATIONS BECAUSE THIS IS TELEVISED.

YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THAT.

AND THEN A FEW YEARS AGO, I THINK WE TOOK CARE OF MODULE HOME TO HAVE TO BE UNDERPINNED WITH AND PORCHES NINE, IT HAD TO BLEND INTO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

JUST COULDN'T BE A MODULAR HOME OR TRAILER.

JUST SIT THERE.

WELL, NOW THEY LOOK GOOD.

SOME OF THEM CAN LOOK GOOD, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF, IF, UH, SOME PEOPLE HAVE THIS, IT'S JUST A PERCEPTION OF WHAT IT WOULD DO OR THE PERCEPTION OF, BECAUSE REALLY, IF SOMEBODY, PROBABLY NONE OF US ON THIS BOARD COULD TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEFINITION OF A MODULAR HOME AND WHY REALLY IS A DRIVER ON THE CERTAIN CONDITIONS.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA AND THEY DO EXPLAIN TO US KIND OF DEFINITIONS THIS TIME.

BEAUTIFUL.

OKAY.

SO IF WE CAN HAVE THAT NEXT MEETING, I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS A REASON TO STINKY.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT COVERS A

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WHOLE CITY, JUST THE PHRASE, UH, NOTHING, EXCEPT I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHEN WE MIGHT BE GETTING OUR NEXT UPDATE ON, UH, OUR SEWER IMPROVEMENTS, OUR, UH, PLANT CHANGEOVER.

WHEN, WHEN WILL THAT ALL BEGIN? UM, WELL WE HAD, WE WOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS AND EVERYTHING ALONG WITH THAT, UH, OVERALL PROJECTS THAT WE HAD AT THE WORST SESSION.

AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN, THEN, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES SINCE THE LAST TIME THE BOARD WAS UPDATED THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

UH, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE TO GO THROUGH IT WITH YOU, BRING RANDY OVER IN, UH, TRY AND SCHEDULE IT.

I MIGHT BE TOO LONG TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WHICH IS EVERY OTHER MONTH, MAYBE WE CAN SCHEDULE SOMETHING SPECIAL NEXT MONTH, BRING THEM IN AND SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IT.

HE IS OKAY BY ME.

THAT'S IT.

HI, MR. HAS ATTACHED A COPY OF RAYMOND AND RAYMOND BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

YES.

OKAY.

NOT THE FIRST, ALL ON THIS RESOLUTION THAT WE JUST ADOPTED, UH, COMMISSIONER IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND CERTAINLY WANT TO EXTEND OUR APPRECIATION TO HIM FOR HIS ASSISTANCE IN HELPING US TO GET ALLOCATED FOR THAT MONEY.

UH, HE REALLY DID STICK UP FOR US WELL, AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

UH, MR. SAMSON REMEMBERS THAT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF COUNTY RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE CITY.

HE'S A COMMISSION TO ALL TO ME AS MUCH AS WE GOT.

ALL RIGHT.

AND, UH, MR. MEADOWS WENT THROUGH A MEETING TODAY, UH, RELATIVE TO, UH, FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR HURRICANE BONNIE AND, UH, PASSED OUT A, UH, UH, FORM RESOLUTION, WHICH DESIGNATES HIM, HIS CONTACT PERSON FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

HE IS OUR CONTACT PERSON FOR THE CITY.

THIS NEEDS TO BE ADOPTED BY THE BOARD NATURE ROLL CALL.

SO MOVE.

YES, YES, YES, YES.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

GET MORE WORK OUT OF DANNY.

THIS YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU A LETTER FROM THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS FEDERAL ASSOCIATION, UH, THE ASSOCIATION IS REQUESTING THAT WE, UH, REQUEST THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TURNOVER, TWO LOTS THAT THEY OWN, UH, ON BROAD STREET AND HERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF FIRST STREET AND BROAD.

AND, UH, THEY WANT US TO USE THOSE LOTS SINCE THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF OUR MAIN ENTRANCES IN THE TOWN.

UH, ONCE THE OMI BRIDGE COMES OUT, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, UH, IF DOD WOULD GIVE US SUCH A LOSS TO PERHAPS TAKE SOME LANDSCAPING ON THEM AND CREATE A BETTER SCENIC.

AND THAT AREA IS ONE THAT CERTAINLY COULD USE A BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT.

AND IF WE COULD GET IT, I CERTAINLY WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR IT.

ARE THOSE THE LOTS ACROSS BROAD STREET FROM FIRST STREET WHERE THEY PUT UP THE ELECTION SIGNS? YEP.

OKAY.

YEAH.

GO FOR US, SECRETARY DANNY, WE REQUESTED AND WE CAN COPY HIM ON THAT.

AND THEN YOU

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AND I JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW.

OF COURSE, IF SOMEBODY PUTS A BUSINESS THERE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC HAZARD.

NUMBER ONE, I WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A BUSINESS DEAL BECAUSE EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT FLOODS IT'S VERY LOW.

WHAT IS GOOD FOR BEAUTIFICATION AND GIVE IT TO US A LITTLE SILENT.

THE LAST ITEM THAT I HAVE TONIGHT, UH, INVOLVES, UH, SOMETHING ON THAT STONE, OUR PLANNERS WORKING ON, UH, ALL OF YOU RECEIVED RECENTLY, A LETTER, I THINK IT WAS FROM CENSUS, THE CENSUS PEOPLE, OR WHOEVER ABOUT OUR PRECINCT LINE LINING UP WITH, UH, WARD LINES AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE A DEAR PERSON.

YEAH.

WE ALL GOT A LETTER SAY OR ONE GUY, BUT I KNOW SOMEBODY THAT I GOT IN ANY EVENT, UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATENESS OF THIS, BUT ANNETTE JUST REALLY WENT THROUGH THIS, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.

AND SO EVERYTHING THAT SHE'S GOT IS REALLY FRESH, BUT IF A DECISION AND NOW WE'LL GET TO WHAT THE DECISION IS IN JUST A SECOND.

BUT IF THE DECISION IS MADE OR IS GOING TO BE MADE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IT NEEDS TO BE MADE BY SEPTEMBER THE 30TH.

THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP TO YOU AT THIS SHORT, WITH THIS SHORT NOTICE.

UH, I THINK BEST THING FOR ME TO DO GUESS IT'S JUST KIND OF LET A NET EXPLAIN WHAT IT DOES AND HOW IT DOES IT.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

YOU CAN LEAVE IT EXACTLY LIKE IT IS.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME SMALL ADVANTAGE TO THE CITY AND CENSUS DATA AND EVERYTHING IF IT WERE LINED UP CORRECTLY.

BUT, UH, IT WOULD BE THE ADVANTAGES I SAY.

BUT ANYWAY, GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN IT TO THEM AND THEN TAKE QUESTIONS.

CAUSE I'M SURE THAT SOME OF THEM WILL HAVE SOME AND MOST OF YOU WILL FALL TWO YEARS AGO.

I RECEIVED IT, MAN, WHEN YOU GIVE US JUNIOR LEGISLATIVE SERVICES TELLING US THAT WE HAD DONE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD NOT DO, WE COULD NOT CHANGE OUR WARD BOUNDARIES.

AS IT HAD BEEN DONE TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAD TO STAY WITH.

THE SAID THAT YOU HAD TO FOLLOW UP, IDENTIFY STREETS AND PATHWAYS AROUND ROAD AND OTHER THING WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON BROWN.

I TOLD HIM, AND THEN I WOULD HAVE A SEVEN PAGE I TOTALLY .

IT WAS CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO FIX THAT SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT OVER THE WATER BOUNDARIES IN THE CITY, BUT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THEY HAD TO DO.

AND THE STATUTE .

I SAID, I HAD NOT HEARD ANOTHER WORD FROM HIM UNTIL I GOT A COPY OF THAT LOAD.

THE OTHER DAY I CALLED KATHLEEN AND SHE SAID SHE HAD A CONVERSATION.

HE WANTED HER AND HER STAFF AND SHE KILLED IT AND THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO RUN IT.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO COME DOWN HERE.

THAT WOULD BE FINE.

SO HE SAID HE WAS COMING DOWN.

SO I ASKED KATHLEEN TO LET ME KNOW WHEN THEY'RE COMING DOWN AND THEY LOVE IT WHEN THE RECORD, SOME OF THE MATERIAL THAT I'VE SEEN YOUR PLAN AND THAT'S DONE.

AND SHE HAD, I THINK IN THAT LEVEL, THEY CREDITED YOU WITH HAVING, GIVEN THEM ALL OF THE LANDMARKS WERE READILY AVAILABLE, SUGGESTED PERHAPS THAT WE COULD DO THAT.

UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS PROBLEM IS, BUT APPARENTLY HIS BOSS IS GETTING ALL OVER HIM AND HE DOESN'T RECOGNIZE LANGUAGE THAT I INCLUDED IN MY LETTER.

I POINTED OUT TO HIM AND QUOTED HIM, SHOWING HIM THAT THIS ART FOR QUALITY OF CAPITAL 1 63 DOES NOT APPLY.

SECOND SHIT WENT THROUGH THE ARTICLES

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AND THAT'S NOT ONE OF THEM.

SO WITH THAT, WELL, I LIKE A JACKET A LITTLE BIT IN THAT TOO.

KNOW THE PRECINCTS IS ONE THING THAT AWARD BOUNDARY.

THEN WE HAVE AN ELECTION ON ALL FOR YEAR.

WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE BEEN VOTED ON AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.

AND WE'VE SET OUR AWARDS.

WE PAID THE PEOPLE TO SET UP THE BOOZE AND TO RUN IT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S STRICTLY A CITY THING.

SO I DON'T SEE WHERE WE'RE OBLIGATED TO FILL BY A PRESET.

AND I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO THAT, BUT THE THING IS, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, THAT'S WHY SHE'S HERE TONIGHT TO GO OVER THIS BECAUSE THERE ISN'T TIME TO REALLY HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TO CONSIDER THIS MATTER BEFORE THE 30TH.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, BUT I THINK SHE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.

JUST LIKE WELL, GOOD EVENING.

UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, WE GOT A CALL FROM THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS.

TIFFANY WORKS WITH KATHLEEN NORLANDER OVER THERE.

AND THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS CALLED US TODAY.

AND, AND THIS, SO THIS IS MY FIRST EXPOSURE TO THIS INFORMATION, BUT BASED ON WHAT SHE TOLD ME, AND I THINK YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THIS IT'S EXACTLY WHAT ALDERMAN A BALANCER WAS SAYING JUST A SECOND AGO, THAT WARD BOUNDARIES AND PRECINCT BOUNDARIES ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND ONE SORT OF OVERLAYS ON TOP OF THE OTHER.

AND THAT TO THIS TIME, THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS HAS CHOSE TO HAVE THE PRECINCT BOUNDARIES FOLLOW THE WARD BOUNDARIES FOR EVERYBODY'S CONVENIENCE.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING NOW IS BASED ON THIS OTHER GENERAL STATUTE, 1 63 DASH 1 28, A WHICH IS APPARENTLY SOMETHING THAT DIRECTS THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS, THAT THEIR PRECINCT BOUNDARIES HAVE TO FOLLOW SOME TYPE OF PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES.

AND THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC LIST OF WHAT THOSE TIGHT BOUNDARIES ARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR PRECINCTS TO COMPLY WITH THIS GENERAL STATUTE.

NOW THAT THAT LEAVES THIS BOARD WITH TWO OPTIONS.

ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE TO DO NOTHING, TO LEAVE YOUR BOARDS EXACTLY THE WAY THEY ARE AND, AND KEEP THOSE WARDS.

NOW, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU DO NOTHING? IS THAT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, YOU AS AN ALDERMAN, HAVING FOLKS IN YOUR WARD THAT VOTE IN ONE PRE MAYBE VOTE IN ONE PRECINCT AND THEN THE OTHER PART BOAT AND ANOTHER PRECINCT THAT THEY, THEY VOTED FOR TWO DIFFERENT PRECINCTS.

AND JUST LET ME SAY THAT THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL.

THAT HAPPENS RIGHT NOW IN THE COUNTY, IN, UM, IN HAVELOCK, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE COMMISSIONER, ROBERT TUNE, PEOPLE VOTE FOR HIM AND HARLOW AND THEY VOTE FOR HIM AND HAVE LOT.

THEY VOTED HIM TO DIFFERENT PRECINCTS FOR HIM.

SO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS HAS A WAY OF DEALING WITH THAT.

IT'S, IT'S NOT ANYTHING UNUSUAL, BUT THAT WITH THE, NO, DO NOTHING STAY THE SAME, UH, OPTION BY THIS BOARD.

THAT'S WHAT THE POTENTIAL OF HAPPENING.

AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE OKAY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL DECIDED.

WELL, DID YOU ASK THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S AN OFF YEAR ELECTION, THE ONLY KIND OF CHICAGO, A CITY ELECTIONS AND WE PAY FOR IT AND IF WE WANTED TO DELETE IT, JUST LIKE IT IS, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? WELL, AND YOU KNOW, IN THIS, AND I'M ONLY TELLING YOU, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO RELATE TO YOU WHAT I HEARD TODAY AND WHAT I WAS HEARING FROM HER TODAY WAS THAT YES, YOU CAN LEAD THEM THAT WAY, BUT WHEN SOMEONE GOES TO VOTE FOR YOU IN YOUR WARD, THEN SOME OF THEM MAY GO OVER HERE TO ONE PRECINCT, SOME MAY GO TO ANOTHER, I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZE THAT IT'S AN OFF YEAR ELECTION AND IT'S JUST THIS THAT WOULD ONLY AFFECT, UH, ELECTIONS OUTSIDE OF THE BOARD ALL THE WAY, BUT IT WOULDN'T AFFECT THEM ALL TO AN ELECTION ITSELF.

I DON'T THINK, AND I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THIS, THAT PRECINCT CAN BE SORT OF THIS FLOATING LINE.

I THINK THAT PRECINCTS, WHEN THEY'RE SET THEY'RE SET AND THAT THEY CAN'T CHANGE FROM ELECTION YEARS TO NON ELECTION YEARS BOUNDARIES OFF SPECIFICALLY FOR CITY ELECTIONS.

I THINK WE JUST NEED TO JUST BE THE STATUS QUO.

GENERATING WORK MORE, OR THE NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL ASSEMBLY LEGISLATIVE SERVICES OFFICE.

AND THIS WAS THE WARD THAT THE MANAGER, UH, THE LETTER THAT THE MANAGER WAS REFERRING TO AND IT WAS, THEY COPIED A TON OF FOLKS AND WE WILL BE CHANGING WARD BOUNDARIES, RIGHT.

JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE ELECTION WHERE THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS, SOMEBODY IN ONE

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WARD HAVING TWO PRECINCTS VOTING PLACES, HAVE I DID IT IN 91, I BELIEVE IT WAS, OR 90, EARLY 92, 91 THAT WE ACTUALLY, WE DO IT AFTER EVERY SENTENCE, JUST TO DO A ONE MAN, ONE FLIGHT, WE MADE ONE ADJUSTMENT THAT KATHLEEN R AND R ASKED FOR BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE VOTING FOR IN TWO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, BUT THAT WAS NOT FOR THE CITY OFFICES.

IT MIGHT NOT BE SO BAD THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PRECINCTS TO GO.

SO YOU TAKE THREE OR FOUR OFFENSES.

AND WE HAVE A CONCENTRATED AREA THAT COULD GO TO NATIONAL GUARD ARMY, BUT WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE PLEASANT HILL AND IT HAS TO COME ALL THE WAY TO NATIONAL GUARD ARMY.

IF, IF IT WAS A PRECINCT WITHIN ITSELF, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE THE VOTER PARTICIPATION MORE IF IT DIDN'T HAVE SO FAR GOING TO BE LOCATED JUST AS FAR AWAY FOR THE OTHER SIDE.

BUT I, I DO THINK THOUGH THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE CONTRACTING FOR THE SERVICE, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UM, I SEPARATE NOTING THE PLACE WHERE WARRANT SIX AND SIX HOUR WARD FIVE IN PAST THE ARMORY OR AT PLEASANT HILLS SOMEWHERE OR BOTH, THEN WE CAN CONTRACT WITH THEM TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE FOR US.

IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT WE COULD DO WE CONTRACT WITH THEM THAT YES, WE DID IT, BUT I THINK ONLY FOR ONE VOTING PLACE FOR EACH I BELIEVE PERSONALLY, THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE LEFT, LOCKED AT EIGHT YEAH, MOVE WE ADJOURN, MOVE.

WE ADJOURN.