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          OKAY. 
          LET'S PRAY TOGETHER. 
          OUR GRACIOUS FATHER. 
          WE'RE JUST GRATEFUL TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TO HAVE THIS DAY TO SERVE YOU IN A DAY IN WHICH WE CAN SERVE OUR FELLOW MAN. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR THE BEAUTIFUL DAY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US. 
          LORD, WE JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THESE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WE HAVE ELECTED TO LEAD OUR CITY. 
          AND WE JUST PRAY FATHER THAT YOU'LL GIVE THEM WISDOM AND THE DIRECTIONS THAT WE SHOULD GO. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THESE WHO HAVE COME OUT, UH, WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE WORKINGS OF THE CITY AND WE PRAY YOUR BLESSINGS ON THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. 
          LORD, WE JUST THANK YOU FOR OUR COUNTRY AND A PLACE WHERE WE CAN LIVE AND, AND WORK AND, AND, AND JUST SERVE YOU AS WE WOULD. 
          AND WE JUST PRAY LORD THAT IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, THAT YOU WOULD FIND THE PLEASURE IN IT, AND WE PRAY IT IN JESUS' PRECIOUS NAME. 
          AMEN. 
           GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. 
          WELL, HERE, HERE, HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE FIRST THING WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS THE CITY PLANNER IS GOING TO GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON MODULAR HOMES. 
          TAKE IT AWAY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IN RESPONSE TO AUTO WOMAN'S LI ODD WOMAN LEAVES REQUESTS THAT WE PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC INFORMATION RELATING TO MANUFACTURED HOUSING. 
          UH, THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING INDUSTRY HAS GONE TO A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AND EXPENSE TO CHANGE THE PERCEPTION OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT HAVE OF THEIR PARTICULAR PRODUCT AND THE DATA WE ARE, WE HAVE COLLECTED OR USING TONIGHT WAS COLLECTED BY THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING INDUSTRY. 
          FIRST, I THOUGHT THAT WE COULD COVER SOME TERMS THAT MAY HELP EVERYONE BETTER UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES IN THE VARIOUS HOUSING TYPES THAT FALL UNDER THIS SORT OF LARGER UMBRELLA OF FACTORY BUILT HOUSING. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS OVERHEAD AND ALSO THE DEFINITIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKETS, AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVE SOME EXTRAS OF THOSE. 
          AND MR. AVERY IS PASSING THEM OUT TO THE PUBLIC MANUFACTURED HOUSING. 
          ARE THOSE STRUCTURES THAT WE'RE HAVING CONSTRUCTED SINCE 1976 AND MEET THE FEDERAL HUD HOUSING CODE STRUCTURES THAT WERE PRIOR TO THE 1976 DATE ARE CONSIDERED MOBILE HOMES, MODULAR HOUSING. 
          ALTHOUGH THEY'RE BUILT IN A FACTORY THEY'RE BUILT TO STATE AND LOCAL BUILDING CODES, AND ALSO SITE-BUILT HOMES ARE BUILT TO THE SAME CODES AS THE MODULAR HOUSING. 
          SO THAT HOPEFULLY THAT SORT OF HELPS DEFINE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MANUFACTURED MODULAR AND, UH, SITE-BUILT HOMES. 
          THIS SECOND OVERHEAD DEMONSTRATES THE, THE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE CITY AND THE LAND USE ORDINANCE ALLOWS MANUFACTURED HOUSING. 
          CURRENTLY, AS THE ORDINANCE STANDS TODAY IN A FIVE OR 20 AND OUR SIX, THE 85 AND OUR 20 ARE MOSTLY FOUND IN THE EXTRA, EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION AND THE IN TOWN AREAS. 
          AND IF I COULD FORWARD INTO A LITTLE BIT, THIS IS RIGHT HERE, THIS IS PRIVATE TERRACE AND BROAD STREET GENERALLY FOUND HERE IN GREATER DEPTH AND FIELD AREA SUNNYSIDE HERE, WOODROW AREAS. 
          AND THOSE WERE THE SORT OF THE CONCENTRATED AND TOWN ARE SIX 
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AREAS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A MODULAR AND MANUFACTURED HOUSING WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THOSE AREAS. 
          MODULAR HOUSING DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION CODE WOULD BE ALLOWED ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THAT, AGAIN, EXCUSE ME. 
          IF YOU SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE MODULAR HOUSING DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION TYPE WOULD BE ALLOWED IN ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONE DISTRICT. 
          UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE PERCEIVE THAT MANUFACTURING HAP HOUSING WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THEIR PROPERTY VALUE. 
          YOU MAY BE AWARE OF A STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AT EAST CAROLINA UNIVERSITY. 
          IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE LAST WEEK IN THE SUN JOURNAL. 
          THIS STUDY EXAMINED THE EFFECTS OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING ON ADJACENT SITE-BUILT HOMES. 
          THE CONCLUSION OF THE STUDY WAS THAT MANUFACTURED HOUSING. 
          ON AVERAGE, WE'RE TALKING STATISTICS HERE DID NOT AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES OF SITE-BUILT HOMES. 
          IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT WAS A STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, MEANING THAT THE DATA FELL WITHIN A RANGE OF VALUES AND THERE'S THIS MIDDLE, MIDDLE PLACE HERE. 
          AND ON AVERAGE, IT DID NOT AFFECT THE PROPERTY VALUES. 
          THE PROPERTY VALUES ALL STAYED AT BETWEEN A TWO TO 3% INCREASE YEARLY. 
          THE OTHER PERCEPTION IS THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE MANUFACTURED HOME. 
          THIS IS GENERALLY BASED ON THE BELIEF OF POOR CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS FOR THE, FOR THE HOUSING DR. 
          CAROL MEEKS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND CONSUMER EDUCATION, UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA DID A STUDY. 
          AND HER STUDY SAYS THAT THE HABITABLE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A MANUFACTURED HOUSING YEAR-ROUND UNITS IS 55 YEARS. 
          UM, ALL THAT OF COURSE IS CONTINGENT ON THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP JUST AS WITH ANY, ANY HOME, UH, THAT IT WOULD LAST THAT LONG. 
          THE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS FURTHER SUPPORTED BY THE BANKING. 
          INDUSTRY'S WILLINGNESS TO FINANCE HOMELAND PACKAGE DEALS FOR A COMPARABLE 30 YEAR MORTGAGE WITH COMPETITIVE INTEREST RATES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXACTLY IS MANUFACTURED HOMES, AND WE'VE GOT SOME NICE COLOR CHARTS HERE FROM THE SLIDE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE TYPES OF JOBS OF THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES. 
          THEY'RE LISTED THERE AT THE TOP. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, 48% OF THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS, AND YOU MET IN MANUFACTURED HOUSING OR BETWEEN THE AGES OF 30 AND 49, 30 2% ARE BETWEEN 50 AND 69. 
          AND THE REMAINDER FALLING OUTSIDE BETWEEN THE 30 AND THE 69 RANGES THE INCOME FOR 66% OF THESE HOMES, HOUSEHOLDS FALLS BETWEEN $10,000 PER YEAR AND $39,000 PER YEAR. 
          70% OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE EMPLOYED. 
          59% ARE MARRIED. 
          AND JUST FOR SOME COMPARISON SAKE, THE 1990 CENSUS DATA FOR CRAVEN COUNTY INDICATES THAT PERSON'S AGE AGES, 15 YEARS OF OLDER AND OLDER FOR OVER 62% OF US ARE MARRIED. 
          SO THEY JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A BASE THAT, THAT IT IS LIKE THE GENERAL POPULATION. 
          FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE DEMONSTRATION OR THE URBAN DESIGN PROJECT THAT WE SENT YOU. 
          SOME, EVERY PROMOTION, UH, THE URBAN DESIGN PROJECT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING INDUSTRY IN ARLINGTON VIRGINIA. 
          THE PROJECT DEMONSTRATES HOW MANUFACTURED HOUSING CAN BE USED TO MEET NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITHIN EXISTING URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UH, THESE HOMES WERE PLACED ON INFILL LOTS AND THE FOLLOWING COMMUNITIES. 
          AND YOU SEE IF ONE OF THE OPEN COMMUNITIES WHERE THESE WERE DONE, A PROJECT HAS ALSO BEEN PROPOSED BY THE CITY OF RALEIGH. 
          THERE WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          THERE ARE NO DESIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED YET. 
          UM, THEY ARE LOOKING INTO DOING A SIMILAR TYPE OF INFILL PROJECT. 
          AND IF I CAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU SOME OVERHEADS OF THE ELEVATIONS OF THE VARIOUS STRUCTURES THAT THEY DO. 
          THIS IS LIKE A TWO STORY UNIT IT'S 14 WIDE. 
          UM, BUT HERE YOU SEE THAT YOU HAVE BROCKPORT. 
          YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A SEVEN, 12 PITCH, WHICH ROOFLINE WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO A SIDEWALK WITH. 
          SO THAT'S ONE DESIGN. 
          THE NEXT DESIGN 
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IS A SIMILAR STORY. 
          THIS WOULD BE A 28 FOOT WIDE AGAIN  AND THIS IS A TWO-STORY WITH A WRAPAROUND PORCH TO WRAP UP. 
          WE HAVE SOME SLIDES THAT WE'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU OF SOME NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THESE WERE IN NORTH CAROLINA, THEY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WITHIN THE PAST FEW YEARS USING MANUFACTURER MIXTURE OF MANUFACTURED AND MODULAR HOUSING IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THESE HOMES HAVE COME, WE ALL KNOW WHERE THEY'VE BEEN AND WHERE THEY'VE COME. 
          WHEN YOU MAKE REFERENCE TO MANUFACTURED HOMES, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TRAILER? SAY THAT TONIGHT? AND THE DISCUSSION IS FOLKS HAVE ASKED ME WHEN WE SAY TRAILERS. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY HAS A SORT OF A FORM IN MIND, AND THAT'S A NARROW LONG HOME. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MANUFACTURED HOME IN TERMS OF THE FORM THAT IT WAS BUILT, YOU SAW THE, THE, THE TWO STORIES, THE DOUBLE WIDE, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SAY MANUFACTURED HOME, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MODULES, MAN. 
          WHEN I TALK ABOUT MANUFACTURED HOME, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S A DOUBLE WIDE SINGLE WIDE, I'M TALKING ABOUT A HOME THAT WAS BUILT TO HUD CODE, FEDERAL HOUSING CODE, RIGHT? IT'S A CONSTRUCTION TRAILER TRAILERS, REALLY NOT A TERM THAT THEY USE IN THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING INDUSTRY. 
          AND AGAIN, I'VE HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT, BUT IT'S IT'S. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S SORT OF A FORM OF PERCEPTION THAT FOLKS HAVE IN THEIR MIND OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, THE WAY IT WOULD LOOK ALONG NARROW UNIT. 
          BUT YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THESE HAVE, HAVE, UH, REALLY COME A LONG WAY HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE FIRST THREE ARE, THESE ARE ALL BUILT TO THE HUD CODE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD IN APEX, AND THIS IS A HUD CODE HOUSE AND APEX AGAIN, HUD CODE. 
          AND THOSE ARE MANUFACTURED HOMES. 
          THESE ARE MANUFACTURED HOMES. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY'RE BUILT TO THE HUD STANDARDS. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YOU KEEP SAYING HUD STANDARD, NOT STATE BUILDING CODE, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST, WELL, THERE WAS ANOTHER STUDY, WHICH WAS THE HIGHEST THEY'RE WELL, THEY'RE COMPARABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE STUDIES, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO FURNISH THAT INFORMATION TO THIS BOARD. 
          ALSO, THERE WAS A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE LIST THAT CAME WITH THIS WHOLE PACKAGE OF INFORMATION ON MANUFACTURED HOUSING. 
          AND IT SHOWS YOU PRETTY MUCH PIECE BY PIECE HOW THE TWO CODES RELATE AND WHERE THEY'RE DIFFERENT, WHETHER THE SAME AND WHERE ONE IS MORE STRINGENT AND THE OTHER IS, IS LESS BACK AND FORTH. 
          AND IN BASICALLY WHAT THE STUDY SAID WAS THAT THEY'RE COMPARABLE WOULD A HOME OF THIS TYPE, TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER MANUFACTURED TO MEET HUD STANDARDS, PASS A STANDARD STATE BUILDING CODE INSPECTION. 
          I WOULD, IT TECHNICALLY, IF YOU WENT DOWN, I HAVE ITEM NOTE WOULD NOT, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS, UH, FROM AN ENGINEERING, FROM A STRENGTH WISE STANDPOINT, VERY SIMILAR, YOU WILL FIND A MANUFACTURED HOUSE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THE TRUST SYSTEM, THE MEMBERS IN THAT TRUST SYSTEM CAN BE SMALLER THAN THEY CAN IN A MODULAR OR A SITE-BUILT UNIT. 
          THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES IN THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM DIFFERENCES IN THE PLUMBING SYSTEM. 
          UH, BUT THEN AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT THE HUD CODE REQUIRES THAT'S HIGHER THAN THE STATE CODE. 
          BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOME SMALLER WOOD, SOME DIFFERENT WIRING AND PLUMBING AND OTHER ITEMS, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, 14 FOOT WIDE, INSTEAD OF HAVING A TWO BY 10 UNDERNEATH, YOU'LL HAVE A TWO BY 800 AND THAT'S A FUNCTION OF THE WIDTH THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE EXACTLY THE HUD CODE IS A PERFORMANCE-BASED CODE AS OPPOSED TO A VERY PRESCRIBED, PUT THE TWO BUCKLES TOGETHER THIS WAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE THAT I GOT FROM THE STUDY THAT I LOOKED DOWN. 
          SO THE, SO THE ANSWER IS A HOUSE BUILT, FORGETTING MODULAR, HOT HOUSING, A HOUSE BUILT TO HUD STANDARDS WOULD NOT PASS THE STATE BUILDING 
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CODE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. 
          AND YOU'RE GIVING ME VARIOUS AND SUNDRY REASONS. 
          BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS HUD SPECIFICATIONS ARE NOT AS STRICT OVERALL AS STATE BUILDING CODES OR A STRUCTURE BUILT TO HUD STANDARDS WOULD NOT PASS THE STATE BANK. 
          ALL I'M LOOKING FOR IS A YES OR A NO. 
          I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND LIKEWISE, A HOUSE BUILT TO STATE BUILDING CODES MIGHT NOT PASS THE HUD CODE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND I'M JUST, I WAS JUST ASKING FOR A YES OR NO, AND I'VE GOT TO KNOW, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU IT, BUT FOR SOME REASON, THE STATE ALLOWED HER TO DO THIS, CORRECT. 
          BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED IN 76, WHEN THE CODE WAS PASSED, IT WAS IN THAT ALL, ALL YOUR STATES HAD DIFFERENT BUILDING CODES. 
          AND THERE WAS A BIG PROBLEM IN THE SALE OF MANUFACTURED HOUSING, TRYING TO MEET NORTH CAROLINA'S RULES, GEORGIA'S RULES, SOUTH CAROLINA AND CIRCLE, HUD CAME AND PUT TOGETHER A NATIONAL CODE THAT IS USED FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING INSTANCE, SAME THROUGHOUT THE US. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, IT IS PERFORMANCE BASED. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IT SAYS, YOU MUST MEET THE CERTAIN STANDARD. 
          AND THERE MIGHT BE SEVERAL WAYS IF YOU MEET THAT STANDARD. 
          WHEREAS IN THE STATE BUILDING CODE, IT SAYS, THIS MUST BE A TWO BY FOUR, YOU KNOW, LAG BOLTED IN AT 24 INCH ON CENTER IS IT'S VERY PRESCRIPTIVE. 
          WHEREAS IN THE MANUFACTURERS, IT'S NOT AS PRESCRIPTIVE. 
          IT TELLS YOU WHAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE. 
          AND THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT WAYS OF MEETING THAT. 
          YEAH, IT MUST BE A HUNDRED POUNDS PER SQUARE FOOT SUPPORT. 
           BUILT TO THE HOOD STANDARD AND BY LAW OR ACCEPTED, THEN I MAKE THEM HAVE TO BE MODIFIED FOR THIS THING OR MODIFIED FOR THAT STATE. 
          AS LONG AS I MAKE THE HEADSET,  FOR MANUFACTURER MODULAR GOES INTO THE STATE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND A MODULE IS BUILT FOR WHATEVER TODAY IS GOING TO BE TO ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL CODES ARE, LET'S SAY, WE'RE STILL IN APEX. 
          NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, HUD IN ROXBOROUGH. 
          THIS IS A HUD CODE. 
          YOU'LL NOTICE HOW IT'S UNDERPINNED WITH BRICK UNDERPINNING THE FRONT PORCH THERE. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS A MODULAR HOME IN ROXBORO. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          WELL, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, YOU CAN, WHEELS CAN BE, THEY CAN BE BROUGHT IN ON CHASSIES THE MODULARS, BUT THEY ARE, THEY'RE ALWAYS TAKEN OFF AND PUT ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION. 
          THE INFORMATION THAT WE PASSED OUT TONIGHT, THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS NOW, MY MANUFACTURED HOME, THEY PROBABLY COULD STAY ON THE WHEELS AND THEY, AND YOU KNOW, THEY PUT THE BRICK CORD IN THE WALL, BUT OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE IN HENDERSONVILLE. 
          NOW. 
          THIS IS A HUD HOUSE BUILT IN HENDERSONVILLE. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT TWO MODULAR HOUSES. 
          THIS IS A MODULAR HOUSE, AND THIS IS A MODULAR HOUSE AND THESE ARE IN HENDERSONVILLE. 
          SO THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF SORT OF WHERE THESE UNITS HAVE COME AND BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY MORE QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          YOU MAY, THIS IS A PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IS THAT'S THE PERCEPTION THAT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE HAVING ABOUT THESE HOMES THAT ARE NOW BEING LOCATED IN, IN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND YOU MADE REFERENCE TO A MODULAR, UH, MANUFACTURED AND DID NOT MAKE REFERENCE TO A TRAILER. 
          SO IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT THE PEOPLE ARE MAKING REFERENCES TO MODULARS AND TRAILERS, ARE THERE THREE DISTINCT DIFFERENCES IN MODULARS MANUFACTURED IN TRAILERS? NO, THERE ARE NOT. 
          WHAT'S YOUR CALLING UP A TRAILER AS A MAN IS SOMETHING I'M CALLING A MANUFACTURER. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL A MANUFACTURED HOME IS A TRAILER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE MODULAR IS THOSE HOMES THAT YOU JUST SHOWED US. 
          THOSE WERE BOTH MANUFACTURED AND MODULAR MANUFACTURED IN MARCH. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, THE KIND OF TRAILERS THAT ARE IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'VE REPRESENTED, YOU KNOW, THESE LONG TRAILERS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND 
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SOME OF THEM LOOK JUST LIKE THE MODULES THAT HAVE COME IN THERE, AND THIS IS WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT THE CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, NOW I BUILT AN AND, AND ALL OF IT IS PERCEPTION. 
          I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S SAYING THAT NOW WE'VE BUILT THIS HOME. 
          AND WE LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, OH, STICK-BUILT HOMES WITH THE NICE BRICK AND VINYL AND ALL THAT. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE A VACANT LOT BECOMES AVAILABLE AND SOMEBODY STICK WHAT LOOKS LIKE A TRAILER THERE. 
          UM, AND YOU WERE SAYING THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT. 
          IF ONE OF THOSE HOUSES, UH, ONE OF THOSE TRAILER LOOKING KIND OF HOUSES, I'M SAYING THAT A STUDY DONE BY UNIVERSITY OF EAST CAROLINA, DR. 
          SHAN, DID I STUDY AND THAT ON AVERAGE, AND HE LOOKED AT RURAL AREAS, URBAN AREAS MIXED, AND HE LOOKED AT A LARGE SAMPLE OF, OF DATA OF INFORMATION. 
          AND THAT ON AVERAGE, WHEN HE LOOKED AT ALL THESE TOGETHER THAT THE PROPERTY VALUE INCREASED AT A RATE COMPARABLE TO AREAS THAT DIDN'T HAVE MODULAR OR MANUFACTURED HOMES CLOSE BY. 
          IT WAS AN INTERESTING POINT WHEN YOU SAID HE USED RURAL URBAN, ET CETERA, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T EXPECT THE IMPACT TO BE SO GREAT IN A RURAL AREA WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH DISTANCE BETWEEN HOMES. 
          SO IF HE LUMPED THEM ALL TOGETHER, IT WOULD SKEW THE STATISTICS TO BEGIN. 
          THAT'D BE 0.1 OUT. 
          SO I THINK I'M SEEING THIS, AND THAT'S THE FOLLOWING. 
          IF YOU HAD A MANUFACTURED HOME THAT MET THIS DEFINITION, YOU CALL IT MANUFACTURING, BUT WHEN THE PERSON PUT IT UP AND SET IT UP, YOU COULDN'T TELL A TRIBE. 
          THEN THE PERCEPTION OF A PROBLEM IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE. 
          CAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY CAN'T TELL US MUCH ANYWAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN IS WHEN YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THAT'S A TRIBER, RIGHT? CAUSE THAT HAS, THIS THING IS TALKING ABOUT AND PERCEPTION AND IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN, WHATEVER. 
          AND SOME OF THESE THINGS, ESPECIALLY THE MODULAR HOUSES, YOU CAN'T TELL. 
          IN FACT, IT WASN'T A TRUCK THAT CAME IN ON A FLAT BED, TRUCK LIVING ROOM. 
          THERE'S THAT? YEAH. 
          AND YOU MAY FIND, YOU MAY BE RIDING BY SOME OF THE DAY AND DON'T LOAD IT, YOU KNOW, THE VARIOUS TOWNS OR WHATEVER, AND NATHAN, THEY WOULDN'T CAUSE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS BUILT AS WELL AS YOU CAN, YOU CAN BUILD WHAT IS BUILT ON THE CONTROL CONDITIONS AND YOU CANNOT LOOK AT IT AND TELL US ANY DIFFERENT FROM IT COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN. 
          WHEN PEOPLE SEE A QUOTE UNQUOTE TRAILER, A MOBILE HOME, AS WE KNOW IT OR MANUFACTURER IS THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES IN. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND I HAVE A PROBLEM PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THE PERCEPTION. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE FOUND IN, UH, THE GREATER NUFFIELD AREA ALSO WOULD LINE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE LONG NARROW, NOT LONG NARROW LOTS THERE. 
          IF PEOPLE WANTED TO GET AS MUCH HOUSE FOR THEIR MONEY, AS THEY CAN GET ON A SMALL LOT, TENDS TO GET LONGER UNITS SO THAT THEY HAVE MORE SPACE TO YOU. 
          CAUSE I DON'T, WE HAVE A LOT OF 60 BY A HUNDRED LOTS IN THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS, UH, AS WAS SEEN ON THE SLIDES, IS HOW IT IS SET UP, MAKES A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE IN, UH, THE PERCEPTION AND THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, WHEN YOU'RE USING VINYL SKIRTING OR SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE THAT IS EASILY DAMAGED BY WIND OR ANIMALS, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, THEN THAT DOESN'T MAINTAIN ITS APPEARANCE AS WELL AS, UH, SAY A MASONRY, UH, FOUNDATION MIGHT. 
          AND THE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SLIDES IS, IS, IS MORE, UH, WHY DOES COMING ON TO THE MARKET AND, AND, AND BEING DEVELOPED. 
          AND I THINK MANY OF US ARE SORT OF, UH, HAVE OUR PERCEPTIONS BASED ON THE SINGLE-WIDE OUT SOMEWHERE. 
          UH, YOU CAN DRIVE BY AND STILL SEE THE WHEELS BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNDERPINNED AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          AND THAT'S BECOMING LESS AND LESS THE CASE. 
          AND THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING INDUSTRY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHERS IN, IN TRYING TO DEVELOP STANDARDS THAT MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES CAN USE TO HELP ADDRESS THOSE KINDS OF, DO WE HAVE ANY RULES? DO WE HAVE IN THE ORDINANCES? UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY, I, I, I NOTICED YOU, YOU, YOU MADE THIS REFERENCE TO, NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO THIS CODE THING TO THAT, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY ORDINANCES OR ANY RULES THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT TRAILERS OR MODULAR HOMES, UM, BLEND IN THE COMMUNITIES WITH THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMMUNITY FENCES? I HAVE 
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A PROBLEM AT THE FAR END OF ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I REPRESENT WHERE THEY'RE NOW GETTING READY TO PUT A MODULAR HOME. 
          AND IT HAS, THIS IS WHAT MOTIVATED THE INTEREST IS. 
          TIMIDITY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, WELL, RIGHT. 
          A MIDDLE, ALL OF THESE NICE HOMES, AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE MADE THEIR INVESTMENTS IN SOMEBODY GONNA STICK SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT NOT FIT IN TO THE INTEGRITY OF THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IS THERE ANY PROTECTION THOUGH? IS THERE ANYTHING IN PLACE THAT WOULD MAKE THE COMMUNITY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT THESE HOMES WILL NOT BE OR SOMETHING THAT HAS A REMOVABLE PORCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I THINK, UM, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, UH, THE BOARD HAS PASSED AN OVERLAY DISTRICT IN THE LAWN WARFARE AREA AND ALSO IN THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PUTS SOME STANDARDS ON THE PITCH OF ROOFS, FRONT PORCHES AT UNDERPINNING AND SO FORTH. 
          UH, WE ARE BEGINNING IN NOVEMBER TO REVISE AND UPDATE OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING AND IMPACT AND HELPING THEM TO FIT IN WHEN THEY'RE GOING INTO TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO ARCHITECTURALLY FIT IN BETTER. 
          AND THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE COULD FLESH OUT FURTHER AND HAVE STANDARDS FOR, UH, MANUFACTURED HOUSING OR HOUSING IN GENERAL. 
          UH, I WAS RECENTLY IN ANOTHER CITY WHERE THEY WENT IN AND BUILT STICK-BUILT HOUSES IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IT ABSOLUTELY RUINED THE LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY HAD LIKE THREE TO ONE SLOPE ROOFS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS LIKE 9, 12, 12, 12. 
          IT DIDN'T LAND IN. 
          SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          AND THE UPDATE THAT WE'RE DOING TO OUR ORDINANCES TO PUT THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE IS THE ROOF PITCH. 
          AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, HOW IT LOOKS IN COMPARISON TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO IT DOESN'T STAND DOWN AS MUCH. 
          YOU CAN TAKE A SLIDE, EXCUSE ME. 
          AND IF YOU HAD 50 OR A HUNDRED OF THEM, I THINK WE COULD ALL HEAR, TELL WHICH ONES IT WOULDN'T HURT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHICH ONES WOULD WITHOUT EVEN LOOKING AT THESE DEFINITIONS. 
          AND THAT AGAIN GOES TO THAT PERCEPTION. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE WHOLE FIGHT IS ABOUT. 
          SO, BUT YOU CAN'T WRITE A LAW THAT SAYS THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GET TO PICK THE ONES THAT THEY THINK LOOK OKAY. 
          AND THE ONES THAT DON'T, BUT YOU COULD, BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE SOME BASIC, WELL, YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED THE, AGAIN, OVERLAY, I DIDN'T READ ANYTHING. 
          I DON'T RECALL ANYTHING IN THE GHENT OVERLAY THAT WOULD FORBID SOMEONE FROM PUTTING MODULAR HOUSING IN THERE. 
          UH, NO, IT MODULARS CAN GO ANYWHERE, BUT THEY ARE MANUFACTURED, MANUFACTURED. 
          UH, GANT IS, DOES HAVE, I DON'T THINK IT HAS OUR SIX 70, I THINK IT'S OUR TAN, WHICH WOULD NOT ALLOW MANUFACTURED HOMES, ALL TRAILERS, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OKAY, GO, I'M TALKING ABOUT TRAILERS. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU TYPICALLY REFERRED TO AS A TREAD, TYPICALLY REFERRED TO AS A TRAILER CAN GO INTO OUR SIX ZONE ONLY, YES. 
          OR A 20TH GOING INTO ANY IN THE WESTERN PART, BUT IT CANNOT GO INTO A 10 OR 15. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT A MODULAR HOME, IT LOOKS JUST LIKE WHAT I CALL A TRAILER. 
          CAN'T GO INTO ANY, THAT'S FINE. 
          AND YOU GO ANYWHERE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WHAT YOU CALL IN A TRAILER TO YOU. 
          IT DOES NOT LOOK MORE LIKE A JUMBLED, BUT, BUT I THINK MOST EVERYBODY IN THE SLIDES THAT WERE SHOWN THERE EVER HAVE DIFFICULTY TELLING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ONES THAT WERE BUILT TO THE HUD CODE AND THE ONES THAT WERE BUILT TO STAY CODE VERY SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE. 
          THOSE ARE THE ONES ON THE SLIDE LOOK NICE. 
          ALL OF THEM DON'T PUT NICE. 
          HONESTLY, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I SEE WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IS YOU HAVE A GROUP THAT WILL DO MODULAR HOMES. 
          THEY CAN MOVE THEIR TRACK. 
          THEN YOU GOT TO BUILD BY AND JUST PUT STEPS OUTSIDE. 
          WE'RE NOT BREATHING, YOU KNOW, AND B UH, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SAID IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE FITTING IN WHERE EITHER ONE OF THOSE THAT WANT TO SLIDE TO MAKE FITTING BECAUSE THEY GO ON THE EXTRA STEP AND BREAK THAT UP. 
          FEAR ATTRACT, UH, IN MY QUESTION THERE, 
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DO WE HAVE WILMETTE MISLEAD ORDINANCE WHERE WE IS MANAGER ADEPT INDEPENDENT, BE BRAVE, BE STABLE AND NOT JUST STEPS COMING UP THE FRONT DOOR. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FORCED. 
           I THINK, I THINK YOUR RIGHTS, SOME VARIATION THERE, UH, BECAUSE YOU DO WANT TO OFFER, UH, DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, VARIATION IN THE STANDARDS, UH, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE AN APPROACH THAT WOULD WORK WELL IN, IN HELPING MANUFACTURED AND MONSTER BLEND IN. 
          AND THEN IN OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE APPROPRIATE HAVING DIFFERENT STANDARD, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE A MASONRY, PERHAPS A VINYL OR OTHER UNDERPINNING THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN CAREFULLY PLANNED. 
          AND IT COULD BE DONE. 
          IT'S NOT DONE. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE IT. 
          NOW AT THIS POINT, WE DO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DISAPPOINT WHATEVER APPLIES TO ANY OTHER HOUSE OR ANY OTHER TRAILER IN A CERTAIN NAPE IN A CERTAIN ZONE APPLIES TO ORLEANS, RIGHT. 
          AND ACTUALLY WHAT I'M SENDING HOME TO AS MANY OF MINING ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, THE MODULAR HOUSE IS SUPERIOR TO THE STICK-BUILT HOUSE FROM A STRUCTURAL STRENGTH STANDPOINT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE QUALITY CONTROL OF YOUR LABOR FORCE, UH, YOUR MATERIALS, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BUBBLE FACTOR, UH, AND BUT, UH, BUT IT IS AN EXCELLENT PRODUCT. 
          SO IN ORDER TO SAY, IF YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT, UH, ALL THE LADY WAS TALKING ABOUT HER PARTICULAR AREA AND YOU WANTED TO MAKE THOSE STANDARDS ARE A LITTLE BIT STRICTER THERE, THEN WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT IT OVER LIKE DISTRICT AGAIN, OR THAT AREA OR OTHER AREAS LIKE IT TO REQUIRE THOSE SEPARATE STANDARDS FOR MANUFACTURING HOUSE. 
          UH, YES. 
          UH, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          1, 1, 1 CUT MIGHT BE THAT YOU MIGHT SAY FOR MULTI SECTIONAL UNITS THAT WERE MANUFACTURED, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A MASONRY FOUNDATION AND COULD GO IN MANY DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          WHEREAS PERHAPS SINGLE-WIDE MOBILE HOMES MIGHT GO MORE TOWARD MOBILE HOME PARKS, BUT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE, UH, MAY STREET. 
          IT COULD GO WITH FILE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT EXTRA IN THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE, MORE MOBILE THERE. 
          SO YEAH, WE CAN DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          EXPLAIN SOMEBODY WAS SAYING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH MODULARS CAN BE PUT IN ANY ZONE AND YOU KNOW, LIKE TO REITERATE THAT MANUFACTURED HOMES COULD ONLY GO INTO OUR SIXTH, EXPLAIN WHAT PROTECTIVE COVENANTS ARE. 
          SO SOMEBODY SAID, NO, THEY WON'T CAN'T GO THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PROTECTIVE COVENANT, WOULD IT, WOULD IT DISALLOW A MODULAR AND IT, AND IT PROTECTED COVENANT? AH, YES. 
          IN SOME SUBDIVISIONS, UH, MODULAR HOUSES ARE NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE OF PROTECTIVE ARE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. 
          AS FAR AS BUILDING CODE, THEY CAN GO ANYWHERE. 
          BUT, UH, SOME SUBDIVISION, UH, RESTRICTED COVENANTS DO NOT ALLOW, UH, MODULAR UNITS NOW, RESTRICTED COVENANTS, PROTECTIVE COVENANTS. 
          THAT'S A PRIVATE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY OUT THERE. 
          AND WE DON'T GET INVOLVED. 
          UH, WE COULD VERY WELL APPROVE A MODULAR AND AN  SUBDIVISION SOMEWHERE, AND THEY MIGHT HAVE AN ADDITIONAL STANDARD. 
          AND THAT'S UP TO THE NEIGHBORS TO TAKE EACH OTHER TO COURT OR SORT THAT NOT PERMITTED. 
          IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TAYLOR DOWNEY. 
          IT'S NOT ALLOWED INTO BURN IT. 
          THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IN SPEAKING WITH HIM THE OTHER DAY. 
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WELL, ROBERT, OKAY. 
          YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE OF US THAT OWNS A LOT OVER THERE. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I, I, I JUST APPRECIATE HOPE THAT THE INFORMATION IS GOOD FOR THOSE WHO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MODULARS BEING BUILT NEXT TO THEM AND, YOU KNOW, UM, MOBILE HOMES, THE KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT FOLKS HAVE AND THE KIND OF LAWN THAT, THAT WE HAVE. 
          I GUESS THE MORE WE TALK ABOUT IT, THE LESS PEOPLE WILL BE ALARMED BY THE FACT THAT SOMEONE IS THAT KIND OF HOME. 
          I THINK THAT MOST OF US, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE CONCERNS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IN, IN MANY NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE ARE SIX, THERE USED TO BE WHERE TO JUST PULL THEM UP AS RENTALS. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS NOT VERY MUCH CARE GIVEN TO THEM. 
          AND WE HAVE THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE THEORY THAT IF IT'S, SO YOU OWN THE HOME THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A LOT MORE PRIDE IN IT. 
          AND THAT WOULDN'T BE THE KIND OF PROBLEM THAT YOU THINK THAT SOME, SOME RENTALS HAVE, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONCERNED OR IS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO BE TRAILS BEING PUT IN A NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH THEY HAVE MADE THEIR INVESTMENTS. 
          SO THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WANTED TO, I WAS ASKING YOU TO COME AND GIVE US SOME INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN OWN UNDERSTAND IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HERE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, ANYONE OTHER THAN THE BORDERLINE, BECAUSE THE MANUFACTURER, WE MAY BE PLANNING TO KEEP US UPDATE, JUST GIVE THEM A SURFACE OF AREAS THAT WE MADE THE LOT TO ELIMINATE FROM THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF THEY GO UP THERE, THEY'RE VERY POPULAR AND THEN SOME PAYS THEY'RE THEY'RE AFFORDABLE. 
          UM, AND I GUESS WE JUST, AS A BOARD NEED TO, ALONG WITH, GET A, GIVE YOU IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, SOME IDEAS OR SOME AREAS THAT GET YOU AS THEY KEEP ATTACKING TO KEEP THOSE AREAS AS THEY, THE, UH, TWO THINGS I LIKE TO ADD TO THAT ONE, THE INFORMATION PRESENTED TONIGHT, ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME BY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, READ UP ON IT OR CHECK INFORMATION, UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIVE US A CALL AND, AND DO THAT. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO CHECK ONE THING WITH THE BOARD. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN OUR LAND USE ORDINANCE UPDATE, UH, IN NOVEMBER, IT'S ABOUT A 12 TO 18 MONTH PROCESS. 
          IS THERE A DESIRE ON THE PART OF THE BOARD FOR US TO MOVE THIS ISSUE TOWARD THE FRONT OF THAT UPDATE? AND MAYBE GIVE YOU SOMETHING A LITTLE SOONER ON THAT? OKAY. 
          WELL, I WILL BE PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU EITHER, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE RESPONSES OF THE COMMUNITY, THE KIND OF INTERESTS THAT THEY HAVE, OR THE KIND OF CONCERNS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M PERSONALLY JUST CONCERNED WITH THEM BEING, UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON AND NOT BEING ALARMED, YOU KNOW, WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN AND KNOWING WHO TO CALL AND WHAT TO ASK FOR. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE TO US, OF COURSE, OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW MR. MAYOR, THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          SHE HAS VERY BRIEFLY. 
          MY NAME'S STEVIE BENTON. 
          I LIVE ON NATIONAL AVENUE AND I'M HERE MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE ARTICLE THAT WAS PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER SEVERAL WEEKS AGO. 
          UM, IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH IN THAT ARTICLE SAYS A PERCEPTION THAT PROPERTY VALUES DIP WHEN A TRAILER MOVES IN NIC TO $150,000 HOME IS JUST THERE TO PERCEPTION. 
          I HAVE A COPY OF THE STUDY DONE BY THE EAST CAROLINA UNIVERSITY, UH, MR. SHAN OR DR. 
          FINN SHAN. 
          AND IT'S INTERESTING IN THIS, UH, STUDY THAT HE DID, THERE WERE BASICALLY TWO CRITERIA IN WHICH HE PICKED HIS AREAS TO STUDY. 
          ONE OF THE CRITERIA WAS IT HAD TO HAVE A MANUFACTURED HOUSE THERE IN THAT AREA. 
          AND IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR TWO TAX VALUATION PERIODS. 
          NOW HE, THE OTHER CRITERIA HE USED IN THIS STUDY WAS THAT MATTER OF FACTORED HOUSE. 
          AND WHEN HE'S TALKING IN THIS STUDY ABOUT 
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MANUFACTURED HOUSING, HE'S NOT CONSIDERING MODULAR HOMES AT ALL. 
          IT IS MANUFACTURED OR WHAT WE KNOW IS TRAILERS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE SECOND CRITERIA HE HAD WAS THAT, THAT AREA THAT HE SELECTED THAT HAD A MANUFACTURED HOUSE IN IT, HE WOULD SELECT A MANUFACTURED HOUSE AND THAT WOULD BE THE PINPOINT STARTING POINT OF HIS STUDY. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IT WAS THE CENTER VIEW STUDY. 
          THEN HE WOULD GO OUT IN CIRCLES AND THEY WOULD GO OUT AND HUNDRED FOOT INCREMENTS. 
          NOWHERE IN THIS STUDY, DID HE LOOK AT ANY AREA AND TAKE LIKE A STICK BUILT HOUSES OR SITE-BUILT HOUSES AND SAY, WELL, IN THIS AREA WHERE THERE IS NO MANUFACTURED HOUSING, THIS RANCH STYLE HOUSE IS 1500 SQUARE FEET BUILT IN 1980 IS WORTH X NUMBER OF DOLLARS AND A COMPARABLE HOUSE CLOSE TO THE VICINITY OF A MANUFACTURED HOUSING. 
          HE DID NOT COMPARE THAT AT ALL. 
          HE ONLY LOOKED AT THE VALUES OF THE HOUSES THAT WERE THERE ADJACENT TO MOBILE HOMES OR MANUFACTURED HOUSING. 
          AND THEY HAD TO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR TWO TAX EVALUATION PERIODS. 
          HE DID NOT STUDY ANY EFFECT OF A MANUFACTURED HOUSE MOVING INTO AN AREA WHERE HE WOULD TAKE THE PRICE OF A SITE-BUILT HOUSE AND HABITS SAY FOR THE 88 EVALUATION TAX VALUATION, IT WOULD BE WORTH X NUMBER OF DOLLARS, AND THEN A MOBILE HOME MOVING IN OR MANUFACTURED HOME MOVING IN. 
          AND EIGHT YEARS LATER, DO ANOTHER STUDY TO SEE IF THE PRICES COME UP OR GONE DOWN. 
          ANOTHER THING THAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS STUDY TOO, IS THAT IT WAS DONE IN FOUR COUNTIES. 
          TWO OF THE COUNTIES THAT THE STUDY WAS DONE AND WAS DONE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE NORTH CAROLINA MANUFACTURED HOUSING INSTITUTE, THOSE TWO COUNTIES. 
          SO HE DID THE STUDY AND SHOWED A POSITIVE APPRECIATION FOR MANUFACTURED HOUSING AS PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          NOW, IN THIS STUDY, HE ALSO LOOKS AT MANUFACTURED HOUSING IN TWO RESPECTS. 
          ONE IS PERSONAL PROPERTY OR PEOPLE THAT OWN IT LIVE IN IT, OR AS REAL PROPERTY OR REAL PROPERTY. 
          NOW, IF IT WERE A REAL PROPERTY OR REAL PROPERTY EVALUATED OR APPRECIATED AT A HIGHER RATE, THAT IF PERSONAL, IF IT WAS A PERSONAL RESIDENCE AND IN TWO OF THE COUNTIES, THE TRAILER, IF THEY WERE USED AS PERSONAL HOUSING, ACTUALLY DEVALUATED, AND OF COURSE THEY WERE NOT THE TWO COUNTIES HE USED FOR THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING INSTITUTE OF NORTH CAROLINA. 
          UM, I EVEN CALLED THE GUY THAT WROTE THIS ED ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN THE PAPER AND QUESTIONED HIM ABOUT WHERE HE GOT THIS QUOTE OF THE $150,000 HOUSE. 
          AND HE SAID, IT CAME DIRECTLY FROM THIS PROFESSOR SHEEHAN IN THIS STUDY, THERE IS NO HOUSING IN ANY OF THE STUDY AREAS. 
          IT IS VALUED AT $150,000. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE AVERAGE PRICE OF A MANUFACTURED HOUSE IN THIS STUDY THAT IS USED AS PERSONAL PROPERTY IS ROUGHLY ABOUT $25,000 IS THE VALUE OF THE OTHER THING TO STUDY IN THIS STUDY AT ASKING QUESTIONS, I FOUND THAT, UM, YOU CANNOT GET YOUR USUAL FINANCING OR TRAILERS OR MANUFACTURED HOUSING IF THEY ARE NOT PUT ON PERMANENT FOUNDATIONS, IF YOU TAKE A MATTER OF FACT, YOUR HOME INTO A LOT AND SIT IT ON IT, WHATEVER THAT IS NOT A MASONARY FOUNDATION, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN PLACES YOU CAN GET FINANCING FOR THE MOBILE HOME OR THE MANUFACTURED HOME. 
          AND THEY TYPICALLY WOULD CHARGE YOU ANYWHERE FROM, UH, CURRENTLY PROBABLY AROUND, UH, 12 TO 15% INTEREST RATE BANKS. 
          AND YOUR USUAL LENDING INSTITUTIONS WILL NOT FINANCE ANY MANUFACTURED HOUSES, NOT ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION. 
          AND OF COURSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ZONED. 
          THESE TYPES OF HOUSES ARE ZONED OUT. 
          I WAS JUST CONCERNED OVER THE ARTICLE THAT WAS IN THE PAPER BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL IT IT'S VERY MISLEADING. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I GOT A COPY OF THIS STUDY AND LOOKED AT IT TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH IT. 
          BECAUSE TO ME IT'S ALL ONE SIDED. 
          PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU FIND OUT THAT TWO OF THE COUNTIES STUDIED WAS FULL OF NORTH CAROLINA INSTITUTE OF, UH, MANUFACTURED HOUSING. 
          I, THEY DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE MOST OF US KNOW THAT YOU COULD HIRE ANYONE TO COME UP WITH ANY CONCLUSION THEY CAN JUSTIFY EMPIRICAL DEBT, RAIN, ASSAULT, 
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I'M, UH, DAVID PRICE. 
          AGAIN, I LIVE ON NATIONAL AVENUE, BUT I JUST GOT, UH, THREE OR FOUR CONCERNS BEFORE ANY ORDINANCE GETS CHANGED OR PUT INTO PLACE THAT THINK FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THESE A HISTORIC, UH, ACCEPTANCE OR SIGNIFICANCE OF MODULAR HOMES IN THOSE AREAS, FOR EXAMPLE, RIVERSIDE AND AGAIN, IN DOWNTOWN, UM, THAT HAS A, UH, IMPORTANT IMPACT ON US AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY VALUES. 
          UM, WELL, THE VALUES INCREASE OR DECREASE DEPENDING UPON WHERE THEY GO. 
          OBVIOUSLY PUT, IF YOU PUT A TRAILER OUT IN, UH, INTO BURNA OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE, THE PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING TO GO DOWN AND YOU CAN PUT IT IN SOME AREA THAT IS A SLUM AREAS AND MAY GO UP. 
          SO DEPENDING ON HOW, WHERE YOU PUT THAT, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE ON WHETHER OR NOT VALUES DO GO UP OR DOWN. 
          UM, I LIKE TO KNOW THE, UM, THE APPRECIATION RATIO AFTER SAY A FOUR OR FIVE-YEAR PERIOD COMPARED TO STICK-BUILT HOUSES, AS OPPOSED TO THESE, DO THEIR VALUES GO UP THE SAME OR, UH, OR, OR THEY LOWER AS FAR AS THE APPRECIATION VALUE. 
          UH, WE'RE ALL WORKING VERY HARD TO TRY TO KEEP AND INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES. 
          AND OF COURSE THAT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY, THE HIGHER VALUE OF THE HOMES, MORE TAXES Y'ALL GET. 
          SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER BEFORE WE GO INTO ANY, UH, CHANGING OF ORDINANCES OR ANYTHING. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY'RE REAL CONCERNS. 
          HE'S SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI. 
          UH, I'M A RESIDENT AND A AREA THAT, UH, ONE OF THESE, UH, MODULE HOMES IS GOING TO GO INTO. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF, UH, ACCORDING TO OUR MAPS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEVELOPED AREA OUT. 
          UH, IF THIS, UM, MODULAR HOME GO IN THERE WILL THE CITY STILL PAID THE STREET, BUT, UH, UH, HIS, UH, GUTTERS IN THERE AND FINISH IT OFF, LIKE IT WAS PLAYING ON THE MAP. 
          I LIVE IN WASHINGTON PARK, COPPER HEIGHTS. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ARE THEY GOING TO JUST PUT MOBILE HOME? I MEAN, UH, MODULAR HOMES IN THERE WITH NO UPGRADING, NO, UH, STREETS, UH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I, THIS IS, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD, OKAY. 
          THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MIKE, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT I CALLED YOU ABOUT AT THE FAR END. 
          I DON'T. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S TWO LOTS, LIKE TWO, TWO UNDEVELOPED LOTS. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT ON ONE LOT, JUST ONE LIGHT RIGHT THERE, SOMEBODY IS PROPOSING A MARGIN. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT THIS INTEREST THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE ON EACH SIDE OR THE HOMES I WAS MAKING REFERENCE TO, YOU KNOW, THE STICK-BUILT INVESTMENT. 
          AND SO THE COOK, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONCERNED ABOUT IF, IF IT'S GOING TO BE TURNED, LIKE THEY COULD PUT A MODULAR ANY WAY THEY WANT HER. 
          AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS AIR IN THE AREA BACK THERE THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED INTO MORE THAN ONE TRAILER POCKET, MARY, MORE THAN ONE IS IT'S A LOT RIGHT. 
          ON BOTH SIDES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEY CAN GO ON. 
          IT HAS, IT HAS TO BE ON AN EXISTING CITY STREET IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THERE, IF IT'S NOT IMPROVED STREET AND IT'S NOT A TREE THAT WE MAINTAIN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO THE STANDARDS OF THE REST OF THE STREETS IN THE CITY AT THEIR EXPENSE AND PUT THAT OUT. 
          WELL, I MEAN, IS THIS GOING TO BE REQUIRED OR JUST PUT A LOT, PUT YOUR, UH, I DON'T KNOW, THE SPECIFIC PLACE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IN THE INSTANCE I'M REFERRING TO, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED. 
          I DON'T KNOW YOUR SPECIFIC CASE CAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. 
          DANNY MAY KNOW, THANK YOU. 
          THIS QUESTION WAS, IS IN FACT A TRAILER OR WHATEVER, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS COMING IN THERE. 
          IF HE CAME INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD THAT CAUSE A SPOT TO BE CURVED AND GO THERE NOW? AND CURB AND GUTTER IS ANOTHER MATTER IS THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION. 
          I THINK IF IT'S THE AREA I'M THINKING ABOUT, UH, THERE IS A MODULE HOME, UH, SCHEDULED TO GO AT THE END OF WASHINGTON STREET AND, AND THE LOT THAT THE INDIVIDUALS HAD PURCHASED 
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TO PLACE IT ON EXTENDED, BEYOND THE IMPROVED STRIP AND POLICY SET BY THE BOARD MANY YEARS AGO, I THINK IN 1786. 
          WELL, I THINK THE BEYOND THAT, BUT IT WAS REINFORCED AT THE END OF 86 THAT ANY STREET, AN IMPROVEMENT, IF IT WASN'T A FEEL THERE A DEVELOPER OR A PROPERTY OWNER WOULD IMPROVE IT TO THE STANDARDS SET BY THE CITY AND BY THE, UH, LANDINGS ORDINANCE, UH, TO INCLUDE THE STREETS AND OTHERS, WATER SU UH, THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE PURCHASED THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE MADE CASH PAYMENTS TO THE CITY FOR THE EXTENSION OF THAT STREET. 
          UH, AND IT WILL, IT WILL BE IMPROVED DOWN, UH, TO, UH, FOR DISTANCE 53, UH, TO INCLUDE THEIR DRIVER. 
          I MEAN, THE STREET GOES TO THE BEACH. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, BUT IT'S CALLED TO BE A CONVERSATION, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR HILLSIDE DOWN THERE. 
          UH, YOU DON'T HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE. 
          THERE'S NO PHOTOS THAT THEIR NAME, WE WERE ORIGINALLY MADE UP THE CITY CARBOHYDRATES ONE AND TWO LOOK ON THERE AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED INTO A CUL-DE-SAC IN THERE. 
          THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT IN THERE FROM THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, MR. MORRIS, SHE NEEDS YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU GIVE HER THIS RIGHT NEXT DUDE, AS FAR AS STREET PAVING. 
          AND THAT SORT OF THING IS CONCERNED IN THE CITY OF NEWBURN, THERE ARE NOT TWO OR THREE OR FOUR STANDARDS. 
          THERE'S ONE RULE THAT WE APPLY AND IT APPLIES CITYWIDE TO ANY STREET. 
          WELL, YOU MAY, YOU MAY HAVE BOUGHT FROM, UH, IT MAY HAVE BOUGHT FROM SOMEONE. 
          YOU CAN SEND THEM OUT THE STREET MORE SO THAN THE HOME LAUNCH. 
          WELL, EXACTLY WHAT . 
          I NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT FOR HIM, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE, UH, GRANTED THAT PERMIT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU HAVE THE RIGHT THING AS FAR AS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING TO ALTER WHAT THE PLANS WERE FOR THAT AREA. 
          WELL, BUT WE WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PLANS THAT HAVE SOME OTHER DEVELOPER HEAD HE'S PAID FOR JUST ACCORDING TO HIS LOCK WITH A NEW MODULE, MISSION IS GOING RIGHT THEN. 
          SO WHOEVER OWNS THE OTHER LOTS WOULD HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING. 
          WELL, WE JUST, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY WITH WHATEVER ORDINANCES MAPS OR WHATEVER THAT'S ENFORCEABLE ON THE BOOKS. 
          AND THIS IS WHY I WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT A PROTECTIVE, A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. 
          IF THERE IS SOMETHING, IF THEY, WHEN THEY DEVELOP COVID HIKES, WHEN THEY DEVELOP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE, NO ONE ANTICIPATED THERE BEING MODULAR HOMES, OR THAT TRAILERS WOULD BE UPGRADED TO MODULAR HOMES AND WILL BE PUT THERE. 
          SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WHEN THE DEVELOPER DEVELOPED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THERE WAS A COVENANT OR SOMETHING, YEAH. 
          IF THERE WAS A COVENANT OR SOMETHING, I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE HE'S SAYING SOME AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE FOR THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD PERSONALLY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS WET AND THAT'S BACK THERE. 
          AND ONE TIME I THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN DECLARED UNDEVELOPABLE A BULL BACK OVER IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO FOR MANY, MANY YEARS IT WAS NO KIND OF ACTION OR NO KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          SO I WAS THINKING THAT THAT LAND WAS WETLANDS CONSIDERED WETLANDS. 
          ONE TIME WE HAD A PROBLEM OVER THERE WITH THAT LAND. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK INTO AND IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, PULL NO BONES ABOUT IT. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE MODULARS SIT RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THEN NOT VERY MANY OTHER LOTS LEFT BACK OVER IN THERE, BUT THERE'S SOME BEHIND AND SOMEBODY CAN DEVELOP A STREET BACK THERE AND JUST STUCK PLACING A WHOLE LOT OF THEM. 
          THAT WOULD DEFINITELY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, TO SEE THE STATUS. 
          I FELT VERY SERIOUSLY THAT RESTRICTED COVENANTS THAT HAD BEEN AROUND THAT SAID ANY OF THE MODULARS, HE HAD PROBABLY HAD A SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT SET BACK APPROXIMATELY, BUT THEY NEED TO SPEAK TO THEIR ATTORNEY. 
          THAT'S NOT CITY MATTER TO FLESH OUT RESTRICTED COVENANTS. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, I WILL GET THE THING, OUR STAFF, AND WE'LL RECHECK THE ISSUE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE PROPERLY. 
           
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DEPENDING ON WHAT THE WATTS ARE, PLAID ASS OUT THERE. 
          IF THEY'RE ALREADY PLANTED SOME OF IT, ONE THING THAT YOU MIGHT REFER IN TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ALL OF THEM LEE, IS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THE PLAN IN STAFF FOR ASK THEM TO LOOK INTO THE TYPE OF OVERLAY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE THEY REQUIRE SERVICE SPECIFICATIONS. 
          EVEN IF THEY'RE MODULAR, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY TAKE THEM OUT, BUT THEY MAKE THEM LOOK. 
          AND IT'S CERTAINLY STRONGER ON REQUIREMENTS ON IN THAT AREA. 
          THEY CAN. 
          I'M SURE. 
          THEY'D BE GLAD TO LOOK AT THAT FOR YOU. 
          ANYBODY. 
          OH, COME, COME, COME, COME RIGHT ON UP HERE. 
          SO THE WHOLE WORLD IN SHARING, IT'S REFERRING TO SOMETHING I SAW ON TV LAST WEEK AND YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN IT TOO. 
          THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT BLOCK GRANTS, NORTH CAROLINA STATE BLOCK GRANT MONEY. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, IF 50% OR MORE OF THE HOUSING IN AN AREA IS MATTER OF FACT, HOUSING, IT DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR BLOCK GRANTS FROM NORTH CAROLINA. 
          NOW THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN LENORE COUNTY AND DID THE NORTH CAMP. 
          I THINK IT WAS LENORE COUNTY IS TRYING TO GET ALL 100 COUNTIES IN NORTH CAROLINA TO GO AGAINST IT SO THAT THE STATE WILL CHANGE THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU KEEP YOUR MIND TO. 
          WOULDN'T THAT BE? AND THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT. 
          I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          IT'S ALL AS IF IT'S A MANUFACTURED HOUSE, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL USED TO CALL TRAILERS THAT AT LEAST IMPLICITLY THEY'RE MOTIVATING. 
          SO THEREFORE SOMEBODY GAVE YOU A BLOCK GRANT TO IMPROVE SOMETHING, TO SIT IN THAT NOW KNOWING FULL WELL HAS GOT WHAT YIELDS UP THAT COULD BE WHILE YOU'RE DOING. 
          I CAN SEE WHY THAT IS. 
          I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND. 
          AND I THINK I SPEAK FOR ALL OF US ON THE BOARD. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FAVORITES OR I DON'T ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS FAR AS WELL. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, OUR, WE COULD HEAR SOMEBODY SAY WE'RE FOR MODULAR HOMES OR FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES OR GUEST THEM OR WHATEVER. 
          WE'RE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, WE KNOW THAT THEIR PERCEPTIONS OF WHAT HAPPENS IF A TRAILER IS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE LIVE HERE TOO, BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU SAW HIS AUDIT IN THE PAPER. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING FOOT EVIDENTLY THAT WASN'T CONCERNED BY SOMEBODY OR SOME CITIZENS THAT TRAILER, SO TO SPEAK, THEY WOULD COME IN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY WANT TO WHAT CAN BE DONE OR WHATEVER ABOUT IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          MY DRESSING IS NOT ANY OLD AREA PLAN OR MOTIVE FOR FOOD HERE. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE YOU. 
          AND I REALLY MEAN THIS. 
          WE DO APPRECIATE THE INPUT FROM EVERYBODY LIKE RESEARCH AND THE ARTICLES AND THIS TYPE OF THING, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE INTERESTED IN GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER PROBLEM OR A SOLUTION, THESE THINGS TURN OUT TO BE. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE THE INPUT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COMMENT NOBODY ELSE? AND THIS WAS THE POSITION OF CITIZENS OUT PART OF IT. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAILERS, UH, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SAY, THIS IS THE ONCE A MONTH. 
          I KNOW THE HAIR'S GETTING  OKAY. 
           WELL, I MEAN, WE NEED CITIZEN INPUT. 
          WELL, THIS IS CONCERNING SOMETHING I SAW DURING THE CHRYSANTHEMUM FESTIVAL. 
          AND THERE'VE BEEN QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HAVE COME UP AND COMMENTED TO ME ABOUT THIS THING. 
          AND IT WAS, UH, CONCERNING THE $3 PARKING CHARGE, PARTICULARLY CITY PARKING LOT OVER HERE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS PARKING LOT THAT THE COUNTY OFFICE BUILDING IS WHERE THAT CITY OWNS THAT OR THE COUNTY OWNS IT. 
          AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED WAS WHO GOT THE MONEY, SAME MONEY. 
          THE MONEY WENT TO THE SHRINERS AND TO SWITCH BACK. 
          AND THEN, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT WAS RENTED OUT, THE BOY SCOUTS GOT IT. 
          ONE DAY, THEY USE IT FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, GOT IT THE OTHER DAY FOR THEIR OWN PARKING LOT. 
          IT WAS MONEY THAT WENT, WENT TO HELP THEM, BUT WHO GOT THE MONEY FOR, UM, ALL THE CITY PROPERTY THAT WAS WATER. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGATIVE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT IT AND THEY WERE QUESTIONING AND I QUESTIONED IT TOO, 
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IF THAT WAS TRULY LEGAL FOR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OR A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION TO PROFIT FROM CITY PROPERTY. 
          AND THE FEELING IN GENERAL FROM OTHER PEOPLE WAS THAT SINCE THIS IS A, A COUNTY WIDE EVENT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HELD IN THE CITY, THAT HE PUT FORTH A BAD TASTE IN PEOPLE'S MOUTH, SEEING $3 PARKING EVERYWHERE, AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT. 
          AND THIS MAY COME AS A SURPRISE TO EVERYBODY. 
          BUT, UH, IN THE, SOME PEOPLE PROBABLY NO SURPRISE, NO PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, THE MAYOR OR WHATEVER DOES ALWAYS KNOW EVERYTHING. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT, I WAS ASKED THE VERY SAME QUESTION. 
          WHAT DOES THAT $3, $3, THE $3 FOR PARK. 
          I SAID, I DON'T WANT IT. 
          AND I TOLD HIM, I CHECK INTO IT. 
          THAT WAS YESTERDAY. 
          HE SAID, THANKS FOR REMINDING ME. 
          SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER, NANCY. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT AGAIN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM OR WHERE IT WENT, BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WELL IT'S, UH, I MEAN, THERE ARE BOOZ RENTED ALL UP AND DOWN MIDDLE STREET AND, UH, WE HAVE PUBLIC STREETS OUT THERE THAT THAT'S HOW, UH, FUNDS LIKE THAT ARE RAISED TO PUT ON ACTIVITIES LIKE THAT IS YOU RENT THOSE SPACES FOR MONEY SO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE MONEY COMES TO PAY FOR, UH, ALL OF THE EXTRA IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY GET IN THERE, OR FOR SWISS BEAR TO MAKE SOME MONEY OUT OF IT OR FOR THE SHRINERS. 
          THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN ANY STREET FESTIVAL. 
          SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC PROPERTY, NOT JUST CITY PROPERTY, NOT JUST COUNTY PROPERTY, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC STREETS ALSO. 
          SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT'S HAPPENING. 
          I THINK IT HAPPENED LAST YEAR. 
          ALL OF A SUDDEN, ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS GOOD TO PLAY IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE BY THE INTERESTING THING IS BEFORE IT HAPPENS AGAIN, WE'LL ALL KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT IT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE MAKE A MOTION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND. 
          I WENT TO SCHOOL AND I, SHE DIDN'T SAY MUCH. 
          AND SHE DIDN'T,  SOMEBODY SAID SHE'D BE STANDING OUT HERE SPEAKING, WHO WOULD'VE BELIEVED IN HIM ANYWAY. 
          UH, WHAT'S NEXT ON THE AGENDA, THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION THAT I'D LIKE TO PULL OFF. 
          NUMBER 11, 10, 10. 
          I'D LIKE TO JUST PULL ITEM EIGHT FOR DISCUSSION. 
          ANY Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE HERE. 
          UH, NOBODY , BUT UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I GUESS WE'LL GO DOWN AND HORRIBLY KIND THEM SEVEN, MR. MAYOR, THAT SHOULD BE HERE EARLY ON AND WHAT THIS ON HERE. 
          AND SHE PUT IT ON. 
          AS I TOLD HER TO . 
          UM, THE REASON I ASKED, I WANT TO DISCUSS SEVEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NUMBER 10, 10, WHILE WE'RE HERE. 
          AND THE REASON I ASKED TO PULL THIS OUT, PROVIDED ME WITH SOME INFORMATION REGARDLESS OF FIVE TRUCKS. 
          AND I'VE SEEN ENOUGH INFORMATION IN HERE TO MAKE ME WANT TO OBTAIN THE ENTIRE BULL AS WELL AS TO DISTRIBUTE THIS IMPLEMENTATION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE EVERYTHING BEFORE HUSBAND. 
          WHAT WE MAKE A DECISION PURCHASE A 275,000 HOUR TO WANT TO SEND IT OUT TO 25. 
          WHAT IS IT? 75, 270 2005, FIVE TRUCK. 
          NO CONSIDERING WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR. 
          AND IT'S JUST LIKE A CAR. 
          I'D APPRECIATE SOME VALUE. 
          I SEE TRUCKS IN HERE WITH A LOW MILEAGE, 25,000 MILES, AND THEY HAVE KILLED A SHELL MOST TIMES, LOW MILEAGE. 
          AND THESE FIREARMS, 
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WHEN THEY'RE NOT WORKING, THEY'RE POLISHING THE OUTSIDE OF THE VEHICLE. 
          THEY COULD MAINTAIN THE EQUIPMENT. 
          THEY PUT ALL THE TIRES IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          AND AGAIN, WHEN I LOOK AT THE COST, THE PROPOSED COST FOR SUBSTATION 1.1, $1 MILLION, IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED ON BERMAN ROAD. 
          IT'S NOT ACTUALLY IN TO BURN ITSELF. 
          IT'S GOING TO SERVE AS MEAL, BUT IT'S NOT IN EVAN'S MILL IS ONE BERMAN ROAD, RIGHT? BUT MY CONCERN IS THIS RIGHT HERE. 
          WE NEED TO QUIT THIS WORK SESSION BECAUSE HOW CAN I TELL MY CONSTITUENTS WHY YOU'RE CONTRACTING THEM NOW SPENDING 6,000 MILES A YEAR WHEN IN ONE CENTURY, 100 YEARS, 6,000 TIMES, 100 YEARS OF $600,000. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FISCALLY. 
          SO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS SOME MORE RATHER THAN TO JUST ADOPT THIS TONIGHT, WITHOUT US REALLY ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT COSTS. 
          AND WE NEED TO TRY TO SAVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          I JUST CAN'T JUSTIFY SPENDING $1.1 MILLION. 
          WHEN RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING FIVE PROTECTION FOR $6 A YEAR. 
          AND IT WOULD TAKE, EVEN IF YOU CONTRACTED OUT FOR 100 YEARS, WE'RE STILL ONLY SPENDING $600,000. 
          THAT'S NO INTEREST. 
          YOU'RE NOT EVEN AMORTIZING. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          I DON'T REALLY, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT WE'D BE PAYING $6,000 A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          $0.1 MILLION RIGHT NOW OVER THE SAME PERIOD. 
          WELL, LET'S SAY 30 YEARS, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE THE LIFE OF THE LOAN. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING FIVE OR SIX, MAYBE SEVEN MINUTES. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T HAVE A CALCULATOR, BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO TRY AND GET THESE COSTS DOWN IN THE SCOPE OF THE FACILITATOR. 
          NEVER DISCUSSED THIS. 
          HOW BIG ONE I MAKE. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE SOME, WE NEED TO DO MORE WORK. 
          DO WE HAVE A WORK SESSION NEXT MONTH? NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A WORK SESSION SCHEDULED COMING UP TO DISCUSS ALL OF THESE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF THE CITY'S FUTURE. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THE ONE THAT WORKS WELL. 
          THIS HAS NOTHING. 
          THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, I DON'T THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE RIGHT NOW WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY, WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DECREASE THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT AND STILL GET THE SAME RESULTS. 
          I MEAN, HOW MUCH OF THE NEW FIRE STATION COST FOR THE WHOLE CITY? $3 MILLION, THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND WE SPEND A THIRD OF THAT WRONG WITH THE TRUCK. 
          THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          THAT'S AND THEN THERE, THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN IN THERE AT 1.1 THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE. 
          I'LL TALK TO HIM. 
          IT'S FINE, BUT LET'S TAKE IT OFF. 
          NUMBER EIGHT. 
          UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, I NUMBER EIGHT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO DO SOME, UH, PASS ON SOME INFORMATION TO THE BOARD, UH, AT THE INVITATION OF FIRE, CHIEF ASTER, I MET WITH, UH, TWO, UH, SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE NORTH CAROLINA, NATURAL GAS COMPANY OUT AT THEIR FACILITY ON RACETRACK ROAD. 
          THIS WAS BACK ON THE 18TH OF SEPTEMBER AND THEY WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING OUT THERE. 
          NOW, IF ANY OF ANYONE WHO'S GOING DOWN RACETRACK ROAD, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON IN THAT NORTH CAROLINA MATCH NATURAL GAS FACILITY, WHICH IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO OUR BIG WATERTOWER. 
          WHAT THE COMPANY IS DOING IS THEY ARE EXPANDING THE CAPACITY OF THAT FACILITY BY ADDING TWO MORE TANKS. 
          UH, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO EXPAND THE TOTAL AREA. 
          THEY'RE JUST GOING TO PUT THOSE THREE NEW TANKS WITHIN THE FENCE. 
          THEN FACILITY, THEY'RE GOING TO EACH TANK WILL HOLD THE 30,000 GALLONS OF PROPANE GAS. 
          IN ADDITION TO THOSE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PADS TO HOLD THE TANKS, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A MIXER ROOM. 
          THE MIXER ROOM IS TO TAKE PROPANE GAS AND MIX IT WITH AIR AND MAKE NATURAL GAS OUT OF IT, WHICH WILL BE PUMPED INTO THE NATURAL GAS LINE. 
          THE REASON FOR DOING THIS IS THE GROWTH OF NEW BERN AND THE CUSTOMERS THAT NEED, OR THAT WANT NATURAL GAS. 
          I WAS CONCERNED MOST OF ALL WITH THE SAFETY OF THE FACILITY, BUT I'VE BEEN ASSURED BY THE FIRE CHIEF AND CHIEF ENGINEER 
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FOR THE CITY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE AS IT'S GOING TO BE A SAFE FACILITY. 
          UH, THEY ARE GOING TO UPGRADE A 30 YEAR OLD PLANT. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S A 38 YEAR OLD PLANT WAS BUILT IN 1960 WITH 1998 SAFETY STANDARDS. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE STATE-OF-THE-ART CONTROL SO THAT IF AN EVENT THERE WAS A RELEASE, WHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY, THEY WILL HAVE THE FACILITY TO CUT IT OFF. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE THAT, UH, WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A MAJOR UPGRADE. 
          AND, UH, BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PEOPLE WHO I TRUST, IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD FACILITY. 
          AND I'LL JUST WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT, UH, UH, BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH, THE NEW BERN, NORTH CAROLINA, NATURAL GAS FOLKS ARE BUILDING THIS FACILITY TO HANDLE THAT GROWTH. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN. 
          I HAVE TO PROVE IT. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'VE GOT A BOAT AND THEY'RE BUILDING, THEY'RE PUTTING IN CONCRETE, I THINK TOMORROW FOR THE PADS TO SUPPORT THE BIG TANKS THAT THEY'RE GOING IN THERE. 
          SO YOU'RE A MOTION TO SUPPORT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, SOMEBODY, THE PLANNING STAFF, SOMEWHAT, A FAMILY OF THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THIS PROPERTY ON NORTH STREET CAME BY MY HOUSE. 
          AND I RAISED IT ON TOP OF SOMEONE FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING TO ME THAT WE PULL IT OFF TONIGHT, GO AHEAD AND VOTE TO DEMOLISH IT OR TO DO AWAY WITH IT, BUT TO ALLOW, UH, 30 DAYS FOR THOSE, UH, FAMILY TO TEAR DOWN THEMSELVES OR TO DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE JUST GO HERE. 
          BUT THEY'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE GO AHEAD ON AND VOTE TO DEMOLISH IT TONIGHT. 
          BUT TO ALLOW THOSE 30 DAYS BEFORE YOU DID ANYTHING, KEY STRUCTURES, THERE WERE BOTH COMING DOWN TO STRUCTURES, THIS LITTLE HOUSE IN THE BACK. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE BUILDING IN THE BACK? IS THAT GOING TO COME DOWN TO, SO YOUR MOTION, I GUESS I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY WOULD BE TO GIVE THE FAMILY 30 DAYS TO DEMOLISH IT. 
          NOT THAT THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE 30 DAYS FROM TONIGHT. 
          REASONABLE. 
          SO IS THAT A MOTION? HERE'S THE SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION CALL ROLL ON THAT. 
          YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          YES. 
          I BELIEVE I TOOK CARE OF ALL THE CONCERN AND THEN THE NEXT THING HAVE, IS APPOINTMENTS. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY, SIR. 
          NOPE. 
          UH, MR. MAYOR, I NOTICED THAT WE HAVE, UH, NOMINATIONS FOR THE APPEARANCE COMMISSION. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH A THING WHERE THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THE PARENTS COMMISSION. 
          AND I HAPPENED TO NOTICE THAT THE FIRST ONE IN THE LIST THAT THEY GAVE US IS NOT A RESIDENT OF MANEUVER OR THE ETJ. 
          SO BEFORE WE MAKE THESE NOMINATIONS, WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THAT ONE BECAUSE OF THE YES. 
          UH, SHOULD I JUST WANT TO GO AHEAD AND NOMINATE THESE AS A GROUP OR INDIVIDUALLY? HOW SHOULD WE DO THAT? OKAY. 
          UH, AND EXPANDING THE APPEARANCE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, TOM GLASGOW, CATHERINE JORDAN CARLTON WOULD HELP ME WITH THIS NAME. 
          YES. 
          THAT ONE. 
          THAT ONE, WHAT HE SAID, GERALD HOBEN HOBBINS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. 
          AND MARIA FOSTER TO THE, UH, NEWBURN APPEARANCE COMMISSION AND MR. LETTUCE, I GUESS YOU DON'T FURNISH US WITH IT OTHER NIGHT. 
          YOU GOT AN UMBRELLA NAME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PROPOSE YOU THINK. 
          OKAY. 
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OKAY, MR. . 
          OKAY. 
          HOW ABOUT MISCELLANEOUS? YES, SIR. 
          AH, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          HE WROTE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IN THE SONG JOURNAL. 
          WE, UH, HEARD ABOUT, UH, THE RIVERKEEPER RICK DOVE BEING CALLED OR BEING NAMED HERO WITH A PLANET. 
          NOW THIS IS A LOCAL MAN THAT HAS DONE SO MUCH TO HELP CLEAN UP THE RIVER. 
          AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY CONGRATULATE HIM ON THIS AWARD AND HOPE THE BOARD WOULD SUPPORT ME TO SEND HIM A RESOLUTION OR PREPARE A RESOLUTION, THANKING HIM FOR HIS EFFORTS TO CLEAN UP THE RIVER SECOND. 
          AND IN ADDITION, UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO FORM A PARTNERSHIP WITH HIM TO CLEAN UP THE RIVER, ALL THE MAYORS BEING, UH, I WAS DOING TO, UH, IMPROVE THE SEWER SYSTEM IN TOWN WITH THE WORK AT THE QUARRY. 
          I THINK WE CAN USE ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET TO HELP CLEAN UP THE RIVER AND TO CLOSE THE LOOP. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO PROPOSE IT AFTER YOUR ELECTION IS ALL OVER THAT WE, UH, HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE NEW CRAVEN COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TO MEET, TO TALK OVER, UH, ITEMS OF MUTUAL CONCERN. 
          AND I KNOW THE MAYOR AND, UH, THE, UH, MR. TYSON HAVE A DIALOGUE, BUT I'D LIKE IT TO BE A PART OF THE ENTIRE, BOTH BOARDS THAT WE WORKED TOGETHER TO HELP, UH, IMPROVE NOT ONLY THE, THE CITY WITH THE COUNTY AND THE REGION, WE ALL LOVE SO MUCH. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, CAN WE GET A RESOLUTION TO THE RIVERKEEPER? HE'S GOT A SLACK. 
          DO WE NEED TO CALL, ROLL THAT ALL IN FIRES, MS. LEE? YES. 
          I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR DOG WITNESS. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT A PROBLEM WITH, UH, SOME BOXES BOOED OUT ALL THE BIG DOGS. 
          THE SAME TO ME, THAT ROAMS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ACCORDING TOWN ORDINANCES, IF THEY ARE TIED AND THEY HAD, UH, TWO, TWO SOMETHING, AND THESE DOGS ARE TIED TO A TREE DURING THE DAY THAT THEY, UH, THEY OKAY NOW, CAUSE THEY GOT THE TAGS AND EVERYTHING, BUT YOU AND I KNOW THAT A DOG TIED TO A TREE IS JUST TIED. 
          THAT GOES, THEY WANT TO BE, IF HE DECIDED HE WANTS TO PULL AWAY AND GO CHASE THE MAILMAN WAS THIS, THESE DMS DUDE, OTHER MAGGIE, ANYBODY ELSE, THEN THEY WILL. 
          SO I, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE, IT DOES NOT SPECIFY THAT IT NEED TO BE FENCED IN. 
          I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD AT LEAST BE FENCED IN ACTUALLY SOUGHT APPROVAL TO THE DOGS TO TIE THEM UP. 
          AND IF THEY HAD HIM FENCED IN, THEY COULD RUN AROUND THE OWN NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVE IN THERE, THERE ARE, THERE'S A SCHOOL AT THE CORNER LIKE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND CHILDREN BE WALKING. 
          NOW, IF THE DOG WAS HAVING A BAD DAY AND WANTS TO CHASE ONE OF THEM AND MALL ONE OF THEM, THEN HE COULD VERY EASILY DO THAT. 
          I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO BE RESTRAINED BY FENCE AS WELL FROM HER GUN WITH HER BOB , THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. 
          I KNOW IT'S MY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AS LONG AS THEY HAD CHANGED IN THEIR YARD WHERE THEY CAN'T EXTEND OUT OF THEIR YARD OR, WELL, THAT'S THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, UM, THE ORDINANCE NOW. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT THAT THEY BE FINANCED KNOW, ACTUALLY I THINK CHAINING, THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. 
          IT'S KIND OF COOL. 
          WELL, I THINK BOTH FOR OUR CITIZENS, THE BACK OF THE MILL WITH FENCES TO KEEP THE FENCE. 
          AND WHEN IT, WHEN IT'S DELAYED, IT'S A CHAIN, THEY CAN'T FIGHT THAT CHAIN INCLUDES. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING THIS ON ONE OF THE WORK SESSIONS BECAUSE I HAVE SOME OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY, UH, ANIMALS ARE BEING ALLOWED TO RUN FREE IN THE CITY. 
          BUT I'M WITH BILL ON THIS. 
          I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, REQUIRE PEOPLE TO HAVE FENCES AROUND THEIR YARD JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GONG. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE COULD EAT. 
          AND IT'S ONLY THE BIG DOGS REALLY THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE CAN SAY, WELL, ONLY THIS KIND OF DOG AND NOT THAT KIND OF DOG, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH DOGS BITING AND, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME SERIOUS INCIDENTS IN THE CITY AND WE NEED TO MAYBE LOOK, LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO. 
          BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE AUDIO FENCE. 
          LET'S JUST TAKE A LOOK AT HOW ABOUT IF WE JUST PUT IT ON A WORD WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CROWDED ON OUR NEXT SESSION, ALL IN ONE LETHAL TO MARROW THIS WEEK, OR MAYBE IT WAS LAST WEEK ABOUT IT AND KNOW WE'VE GATHERED SOME OTHER ORDINANCES OTHER IN ITS POWER TO LOOK AT IT. 
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THAT'S FINE. 
          UH, I WILL TAKE THIS MOMENT TO ADVISE THE PUBLIC OF SOMETHING THAT WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT. 
          AND I GUESS A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK, WELL, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. 
          AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE PROBLEM AND THAT'S SPEEDING. 
          AND WE GET REQUESTS SOMETIMES FOR, FOR SPEED BUMPS, WHICH WE CAN'T DO. 
          AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A CONSTANT PROBLEM. 
          AND SEVERAL YEARS AGO THERE WAS A DEVICE. 
          I WAS TALKING WITH SOME PEOPLE AT A WORKSHOP IN WASHINGTON, DC, ABOUT WHAT THEY'D DONE IN THEIR, AT LBS. 
          AND THEY MENTIONED A DEVICE CALLED A SPEED PAD, WHICH I WILL NOT GO INTO LONG DETAIL ABOUT AT THIS TIME. 
          BUT IT MADE SENSE AT THAT TIME, BUT NO ONE IN NORTH CAROLINA HAD USED ONE. 
          SO THERE WAS NO PLACE WE COULD GO TO SEE HOW EFFECTIVE IT WAS IN CONTROLLING SPEEDERS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THERE NOW IS ONE IN A NORTH CAROLINA TOWN, NOT TOO FAR AWAY. 
          AND I'M GOING TO GO SIT THERE FOR A DAY AND SEE HOW IT WORKS. 
          I UNDERSTAND FROM THE POLICE CHIEF IN THAT TOWN, THAT HE PARKED BACK ON THE SIDE STREET TO SEE HOW IT WORKED ONE DAY AND THEY HAVE, I THINK 35 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON THAT STREET. 
          BUT A PLUMBER'S TRUCK HIT THAT SPEED PAD, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM A SPEED BUMP AT ABOUT 45 MILES AN HOUR. 
          AND THE DRIVER SPENT THE NEXT HALF HOUR PICKING UP PIECES OF PVC PIPE, WHICH JUST LITERALLY EXPLODED FROM THE BACK OF THE TRUCK. 
          SO IT DOES SEEM TO WORK AND THERE MAY BE A LIGHT AT THE END OF THAT TUNNEL AFTER ALL THIS TIME, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A PASSIVE METHOD OF CONTROLLING THE SPEEDERS WITHOUT TURNING ALL OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS INTO SPEED COPS, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE SERIOUS THINGS FOR A LOT OF THEM TO TAKE CARE OF. 
          SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT PROBLEM AND WE MAY ACTUALLY BE GETTING AT NEXT BUDGET TIME, CLOSE TO A SOLUTION. 
          UH, NO SIR. 
          MR. HORN, I HAND IT OUT, BUT YOU STILL PLAY AS A LADY APPROVED FIRST ANNUAL PAYMENT OF $7,500. 
          WHAT THIS DOES IS ATTACH A COPY OF A SURVEY THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE TO THE MAY 26 AGREEMENT. 
          YES, YES, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE LAST ONE, MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, YOU HAVE THE MORE YOUR COPY OF THE LETTER, WHICH HAS BEEN DECLARED TO BE SENT TO BOB  VIP BOARD MEMBER FOR THIS AREA. 
          AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONNECTOR STREET BETWEEN PRINT ROAD AND US 17, UH, NEAR WALMART AND WALMART WOULD BE ABLE TO COME OUT ONTO THE STREET. 
          IT WOULD CONNECT RED ROBIN LANE. 
          IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW THAT TRAFFIC TO GO DOWN THAT CONNECTOR TO TRENT, UH, ROAD. 
          AND, UH, IN THE LONG-TERM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVEN FURTHER CONNECTIONS OF THIS, UH, ROAD THAT WOULD GO, UH, ON THE BALL SIDE OF 17. 
          UH, BUT ONE HANGOUT THAT WE HAVE IS THE EXPENSE THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO WITH REGARDS TO THE, UH, INTERSECTION AT TRENT ROAD AND THE CONNECTOR ROAD. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS LETTER DOES IS IT, UH, STATES THAT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN HABIT, NOT IN A EMOTION TO REQUEST THE, UH, TO, TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN PARTIAL FUNDING OF THAT, UH, INTERSECTION AT THE CONNECTION. 
          AND ONCE IF YOU ADOPT THAT MOTION TONIGHT AND I'LL SIGN THIS LETTER AND SEND IT TO DOP, AND WE HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT, UH, DFP WILL, UH, HELP PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROJECT. 
          IF WE DO THIS 
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
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