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AND I WILL BE ALERT FOR SOME GRANDMA WALLS OF THIS STATE, BUT I WILL NOT FORGET INFLUENCE.
I WILL SUPPORT AND MAINTAIN THE CONSTITUTION TO MAINTAIN CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF NORTH CAROLINA, CONSISTENT THEREWITH.
AND I WILL FIGHT FOR LAND AND PARTIALLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY SKILL AND JUDGMENT.
THIS IS MY NIECE, MY NEPHEW, MY OLDEST, MY NIECE, MY SISTER
MY MOTHER LIVES IN LOUIS
AND IF HE PASSES THE LAST FOUR, UM, PHASES OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS WILL BE TO 85.
THAT'S THE BEST WE'VE DONE IN QUITE A WHILE.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH ABOUT 61 APPLICANTS IN OUR NEXT ROUND OF HIRING.
AND, UH, WE'LL BE MOVING ALONG WITH THAT.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU IN ANOTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH SOME MORE PEOPLE.
AND, UH, WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THESE FOLKS GOT THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S A LONG AND DIFFICULT ONE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T MAKE IT THROUGH.
AND THESE TWO FOLKS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.
WE'RE REAL PROUD OF, RIGHT? UH, THE YOUNG MAN HERE, WHAT IS YOUR NAME AGAIN? THINK I KNEW YOUR FATHER AND I'M NOT WEARING MY GLASSES TONIGHT.
I DIDN'T CATCH IT FOR A MOMENT, BUT, UH, I REMEMBER YOUR FATHER AS BEING ONE OF THE STATE'S OUTSTANDING SBI OFFICERS.
AND, UH, HE WAS HIGHLY RESPECTED BY EVERYONE WITH WHOM HE CAME INTO CONTACT AND YOU'VE GOT SOME VERY LARGE SHOES, BUT I CONGRATULATE YOU ON STARTING ON THE PATH AS HE DID.
WELL, I WANT TO ADD THAT WE'RE NOT ABOVE STEALING.
BEN COMES FROM THE RIVERBEND POLICE DEPARTMENT.
MARJORIE COMES FROM THE HAVELOCK POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE STOLE
WE SURE MADE THE OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE TO THEM.
IT WAS ACTUALLY A SISTER I SAW THROUGH THERE AND SUDDENLY REALIZED WHO IT WAS AND MADE THE CONNECTION WITH YOUR FATHER.
LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE HERE.
THE NEXT THING THAT WE HAVE IS TO, UH, SAYS, CONSIDER APPROVING THE VOLUNTEER
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FIRE CHIEF AND THE DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF.SO, UH, WHERE ARE YOU? TWO FELL SOMEWHERE.
I'M LIKE, MAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY GLASSES.
SO YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY RICHARD, RICHARD YESTERDAY.
RICHARD'S NOT HERE, BUT JOEY GASKINS IS HERE.
MAY I RECOMMEND, WE APPROVE THE, UH, INCOMING CHIEF AND ASSISTANT CHIEF DEPUTY CHIEF SECOND.
JOEY GASKINS IS THE INCOME AND G AND RICHARD LIFE WILL BE THE ASSESSMENT, CORRECT? OKAY.
WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL OR ALL IN FAVOR? SAY AYE.
HOW'S THAT? YOU DIDN'T EVEN GET A DOSE OF THE FOR HEATERS.
WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE Y'ALL VOLUNTEERS.
NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF THE CITIZENS THAT WE DO THAT ONCE A MONTH.
AND UH, LET ME ASK FIRST OFF, I USED TO GO ROW BY ROW.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT HAS COUNTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT TONIGHT? OKAY.
IS THAT ALL? JUST THAT ONE PERSON.
IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, DAVID I'M HERE CONCERNING ABOUT HOUSING PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE, BUT I RECENTLY RENTED A HOME FROM A MR. HAYES CARTRIDGE AND THE PROCESS OF RENTING THIS HOME.
I GAVE, USED TO CALL WITH MY MONEY AS A DEPOSIT AND AS MY RENT DURING THE TIME THAT I WAS OUT, TRYING TO GET MY UTILITY, I SIT IN MANAGER, CAME IN AND TOLD ME THAT THERE HAD BEEN A HOUSE AND COMPLAINT AGAINST THIS HOUSE SINCE 1995.
AND THAT I COULD NOT HAVE UTILITIES OR WATER IN THE HOUSE.
OR THE 9TH OF DECEMBER, I WENT DOWN TO THE CITY OFFICE, MYSELF AND TALKED TO MR. BOULEVARD'S, ASSISTANT MARY.
AND SHE SAID THAT THEY WOULD COME OUT AND DO A WALKING INSPECTION OF THE HOME TO SEE WHAT THE HOUSE AND COAL WAS PM TO BRING THE HOUSE UP THE PARK FOR ME TO LIVE IN.
THEY TOLD ME THAT THE APPOINTMENT WAS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER THE 10TH AT ONE O'CLOCK MR. BULLET, WHERE MR. HAYES WITH TOM HAD TO DO A WALKING INSPECTION, NO ONE EVER SHOWED UP.
OBVIOUSLY MR. HAYES, WE GOT TO MR. BULL AWARE AND JUST DECIDED HE DID NOT WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE HOUSE, BUT SHUT IT DOWN OR WHATEVER.
AND THE MEANTIME I'VE BEEN GIVEN 10 DAYS TO MOVE OUT OF THIS HOUSE, WHICH IS ON THE 21ST OF DECEMBER, WHICH WILL BE FOUR DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
NO, MEANWHILE, NOBODY'S SAYING ANYTHING TO ME ABOUT HELPING ME GET MY MONEY BACK FROM MR. HAYES, HELPING ME FIND SOMEWHERE TO MOVE OR ANYTHING.
I FEEL LIKE TO ME, MR. BOULEVARD WAS AWARE OF THIS HOUSING SITUATION.
SEE ME OUT THERE IN MY YARD, DECORATING.
SEE ME OUT THERE RAKING THE YARD.
THE CITY RISE THROUGH THE STREET EVERY EVENING, EVERY MORNING, 8 75.
WHY SHOULD I BE FORCED TO SUFFER WHAT THE CITY CAN NOT GET? MR. HAYES TO COMPLY WITH? THERE'S WAS GOING TO COMPLAIN AGAINST THIS TIME SINCE 1995.
WHY IS THE HAYDEN RENT ME? GO HOME.
WHY HASN'T THE CITY, JOHN STOP.
AND SO HERE I AM STUCK, FORCED TO LEAVE HER HOME.
AND I JUST SPENT ALL MY MONEY TRYING TO MOVE IN MY HOME.
NO, THE HOUSE HAS NEVER BEEN CONDEMNED.
THE HOUSE WAS HAD TO HAVE A MINIMUM HOUSE REPAIRS DONE SCORES COME UP TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY.
NO, AND IT MAY BE, SHE HAS LANE.
THIS IS, I'LL SEE THE ATTORNEY.
HE CAN TELL WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? JOANNE SAID, MS. JOANNE, THAT DAY WHEN I WENT AND OPENED TO YOU, THAT YOU COULD NOT GET YOU TO MR. BULLA WHERE MR. KEITH BULL THE ONE BULLET WHERE BO, WHERE MANY TIMES, WHERE AM I SUPPOSED TO GO MOVE IN WITH MR.
WELL, THE ONLY THING THAT I'M ASKING IS THAT THE CITY COME AND GET SOMEBODY TO DO A WALK IN THROUGH THE HOUSE.
IF THERE WAS A MINIMUM REPAIR THAT CAN BE DONE FOR ME TO STAY AT HOME, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO STAY.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEONE TO GET ALMOST THE, HEY, YOU CAN QUIT LETTING MR. HAYES
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ESCAPE HIS RESPONSIBILITY.IF I GAVE THIS MAN MY MONEY IN GOOD FAITH, THAT HE SHOULD COME IN THERE AND FIX IT AT HOME AND GET BACK UP TO PAR WHERE I CAN STAY IN THE HOME.
WHERE AM I GOING TO GO IN 10 DAYS AND 21 DAY.
AND ONLY THESE 21ST OF DECEMBER, FOUR DAYS BEFORE CHRISTMAS, I GOT A DAUGHTER TO COME IN HERE ON THE 17TH FROM COUNTRY ON I CAN LA IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON A CHRISTMAS GIFT FOR MY 16 YEAR OLD SON THAT WANTED TO MOVE BACK HOME AND BE REUNITED WITH ME.
AND MR. HAYES JUST SAID, WE'LL SHUT IT DOWN.
UH, MY QUESTION, UH, THERE, I THINK THE FIRST THING SHE SAID, WE DIDN'T, THE CITY WOULDN'T ALLOW TO GET UTILITIES BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME OTHER PROBLEMS. FIRST OF ALL, CAN WE STOP HER FROM GETTING UTILITY BECAUSE OF THAT? NO.
NOW WHAT WOULD ALLOW HER TO GET UTILITIES RIGHT FROM THERE? OTHER THAN HER DOING HER DEPOSITS OR WHATEVER, MAKE APPLICATION FOR THE UTILITY.
AND THEN I MADE APPLICATION FOR THE UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING.
I WENT IN AND TALKED TO, UM, UH, LYDIA SCOTT, A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE 12TH.
AND I HAVE LIVED WITH HOME A MONTH.
MR. MA, LISTEN TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS CAN BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
CAN'T YOU WALK HER THROUGH THIS TOMORROW MORNING SOMETIME JUST BY AN APPOINTMENT, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF MINOR.
SEEMINGLY IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, I MEAN, WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING YOUR PROBLEM IS MINOR AND THAT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.
I'M SAYING THAT IT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF QUICKLY.
NAH, I'VE BEEN, I WENT DOWN AND TALKED TO MR. JOHN CARR, I'VE TALKED TO BOULEVARD, I'VE TALKED TO HIS SISTERS MARRIED.
UM, MY FATHER ME IS IF THIS IS A CITY PROBLEM AND THE CITY IS A WORD THAT WE SAY, HEY, THERE'S A REALTOR.
AND HE'S WALKING AROUND HERE AND WRITTEN THE HOUSES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT UP TO PARK.
THE CITY NEED TO GET MR. HAYES IN COURT AND STOP HIM FINE HERE.
MR. HARTMAN IS YOUR SKILLS TO REAL TIGHT TOMORROW MORNING.
SHE CAN COME IN AND I'LL BE GLAD TO TALK.
CAN YOU COME IN HIT, GO TO HIS OFFICE 10 O'CLOCK TOMORROW MORNING, RIGHT DOWNSTAIRS.
THEY USED TO SAY THAT, MAN, GO TO 10 O'CLOCK TOMORROW MORNING.
WE'LL REQUEST HIM TO COME BACK AND LET US KNOW WHAT THE RESOLUTION OF IT IS.
ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE, ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED, EXCEPT THIS MR. HAYES, HE'S THEIR BOSS.
SO HE HE'LL STRAIGHTEN THEM OUT FOR YOU.
SO IF YOU'LL COME IN AT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, HE'LL GET IT.
HE'LL GET IT STRAIGHT ONE WAY.
OR THE OTHER JUST CAME DOWNSTAIRS AT 10 IN THE MORNING.
WE JUST COME IN AND I'LL TELL IT TO YOU.
WE'LL WE'LL SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
IS ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING, WHICH IS WHERE THERE'S PUBLIC HEARING AND WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER RESIGNING A ONE BLOCK AREA LOCATED BETWEEN ST.
JOHN STREET, MOORE AVENUE AND HARTFORD AVENUE IN THE PEMBROKE COMMUNITY FROM RTN TO RSA.
AND WHO'S GOING TO EXPLAIN MR. JORDAN.
MAYOR DAVIS AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ALL THE MEN WE HAVE BEFORE YOU AN APPLICATION TO REZONE A ONE BLOCK AREA IN KIMRA COMMUNITY LOCATED BETWEEN CAUGHT UP ON COLLEGE STREET, ST.
JOHNS STREET, MOORE AVENUE AND HARTFORD AVENUE, UH, AT ITS REGULAR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 3RD, 1998, PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMEND THAT RECOMMEND THAT BE APPROVED.
NO ONE ATTENDED A MEETING AND SPOKEN OPPOSITION TO THE PRO QUOTE TO THE PROPOSED REZONING.
HOWEVER, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND STAFF HAS RECEIVED, UH, SEPARATE, UH, MESSAGES FROM RESIDENTS FROM THAT AREA WHO HAVE VOICED THEIR OPINION TO THE REQUEST OF REZONING.
UH, TONIGHT WE DO HAVE THE AFRICANS HERE, MR. DONALD LINEN, AND, UH, ON THE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
ALSO, WHAT ELSE THAT'S PROBABLY HEARING, I GUESS, REAL WE CAN OPEN WHEN THE FOLKS THAT WANT IT AND YOU CAN TELL US WHY YOU WANT IT AND SO FORTH.
WE ARE MR. AND MRS. DONALD WHEN AND THE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN QUESTION TO BE REZONED AS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT MY HUSBAND AND I ARE.
WE WANTED THIS PROPERTY FOR THE SAKE OF MOVING OUT OF A MOBILE HOME, WHICH IS AGE 24 BY 50 FOR A DOUBLE-WIDE MOBILE HOME, UM,
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AND TRYING TO MOVE OUR MOBILE HOME.WE RAN INTO SOME OBSTACLES ALONG THE WAY.
I, THERE WENT TO, UH, MR. BERNARD GEORGE'S OFFICE AND I COMPLIED WITH THE APPLICATION TO A MAINLAND ORDINANCE.
AND I HAVE COMPLIANT IN EVERYTHING THAT THE APPLICATION HAS ASKED ME TO DO SERVES MAINLY WITH THE BOARD.
I WAS ASKED TO GET, UM, A PETITION FROM ALL OF THE MEMBERS OWNING PROPERTY WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE BLOCK TO BE REZONED.
I DID THAT IN WRITING NO OPPOSITIONS THERE, UM, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I COULD NOT CONTACT IN PERSON, I DID SEND A CERTIFIED LETTER, DID NOT, YOU KNOW, RECEIVERS RECEIVE RESPONSE FROM THEM.
UM, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE ASKING THIS PIECE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY TO BE REZONED AGAIN, IS BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS HOME FOR MY HUSBAND AND I, WE WANT TO MOVE BACK HOME.
WE HAVE A VERY DECENT HOME THAT WE WANT TO MOVE THERE.
THE BLOCKING QUESTION CONSISTS OF 12 LOTS, FOUR, WHICH ARE OWNED BY MY HUSBAND AND I, UM, THIS IS A PROPERTY OF VERY UNDERDEVELOPED, UM, SCENERY THERE.
UM, IT'S ONLY TWO HOUSES RESIDING IN THE WHOLE BLOCK ONE, WHICH IS A, SINGLE-WIDE APPROXIMATELY 12 BY 60 MOBILE HOME, THAT RESIGNS RIGHT TO THE IMMEDIATE RIGHT OF MY PROPERTIES.
AND I'M ASKING THE BOARD AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO GRANT MY HUSBAND AND I, THIS AMENDMENT TO HAVE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY REZONED.
I KNOW THAT IF WE ARE GRANTED THIS PERMISSION, WE WILL BE A TERRIFIC UPLIFTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND MOVING THERE.
MY HUSBAND AND I WOULD CLEAN OUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE BLOCK, ASKED HIM TO BE RESOLVED, WHICH IS A GREAT IT'S ONE THIRD OF THE BLOCK.
AND YOU WOULD DO GREAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WOULD BE A NICE UPLIFTING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T FEEL THAT US BEING THERE WOULD BE A HINDRANCE.
I FEEL LIKE US BEING THERE WOULD BE AN UPLIFTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE WE'LL HAVE AT THIS POINT ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO CLEAN OFF THE LAND, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WEIRD THERE.
AND WE BEGIN TO CLEAN UP THE PROCESS AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD.
MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME OF THE OTHER LAND OWNERS TO COME FORWARD AS WELL AND CLEAN UP THEIR PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BRING UP THE APPEARANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT VERY APPEALING AT ALL.
AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS REZONING TO BETTER OURSELVES AND SETTLE DOWN AND TRY TO BREAK OUT WITH HOME IN AND MAKE A BETTER HOME FOR ME AND OUR FAMILY.
AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE TO POSE IT TONIGHT AND THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT.
BUT I'M ASKING ON BEHALF OF ME AND MY FAMILY IN ORDER TO BETTER OURSELVES AND, YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP THE HELPING NEIGHBORHOODS BE A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T HERE TO OPPOSE IT FOR WHATEVER THE REASON OR I REALLY WISH THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE GOOD THAT WE CAN DO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RATHER THAN THINKING OF IT AS A PERCEPTION THAT MY MOBILE HOME WOULD DECREASE THE PROPERTY OR THEIR HOME.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN I TALKED WITH 28, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE PRINTED IN THE PAPER WITH EXTENSIVE RESEARCH THAT THE DECREASE IN VALUE IS JUST THE PERCEPTION.
AND THESE ARE FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN RESEARCHED AND RESEARCHED AND RESEARCH, AND IT'S NOT TRUE.
AND I JUST WANT THE BOARD MEMBERS, THE CITIZENS OF THE FRIEND ROAD TO HEAR ME AND MY FAMILY CRIED AND GRANT US THIS PERMISSION TO HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY REZONED TO HELP ME BETTER.
WHAT SIZE DID YOU SAY? UM, IT'S 20,000 SQUARE FEET OR IT'S THE, OH, OUR HOME IS A 24 BY 50 FOR A DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME.
I'M VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF, UM, HAS DIS DECREASED IN PROPERTY VERY LITTLE BECAUSE I DO KEEP IT UP.
I DO HAVE IT UNDER PEN, YOU KNOW, AND I TAKE CARE OF MY MOBILE HOME JUST AS ONE WOULD DO THEY STEAK HOME.
UNFORTUNATELY, I CANNOT AFFORD A STEAK HOME.
AND I DON'T FEEL THAT ME AND MY FAMILY SHOULD BE LOOKED DOWN UPON BECAUSE THIS IS ALL OUR FINANCIAL BUDGET CAN AFFORD.
WHERE IS IT NOW? 8 58 HOWARD STREET IN THE, UM, MORE IN THE HISTORIC, DOWNTOWN, THE RENT EVERY SIR.
UH, ANOTHER ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I REALLY WANTED TO MOVE WHERE I'M AT NOW, AND I TALKED TO THE GUY ABOUT SELLING IT TO ME AND HE'S NOT GOING TO SELL IT TO ME AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE SO WE CAN MOVE ON.
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WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR PROPERTY, YOU KNEW IT WASN'T ZONE FOR A MOBILE HOME, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR.BECAUSE WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, I PURCHASED IT FROM A PRIOR FRIEND THAT HAD A MOBILE HOME SITTING THERE WHEN IT WAS IN HER OWNERSHIP.
I BOUGHT HALF OF THE PROPERTY FROM HER.
I BOUGHT HALF OF THE PROPERTY FROM AFFORDABLE HOMES.
NEITHER OF THE TWO OF THEM TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS A STIPULATION AND I DID NOT DO A BACKGROUND CHECK BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT WAS ALREADY A MOBILE HOME PREEXISTING THERE, AND THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
I WAS UNAWARE OF THE REZONING UNTIL I BEGAN TO OBTAIN MY PERMITS TO MOVE THE MOBILE HOME.
WHEN I GOT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THIS IS WHEN I WAS NOTIFIED THAT I COULD NOT PUT IT THERE BECAUSE OF THE ZONING.
IF I KNEW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE THIS TYPE OF PROBLEM, I WOULD NOT HAVE DARE BROUGHT THE PROPERTY WITH THE INTENT TO PUT A MOBILE HOME THERE.
I WOULD HAVE MAYBE BROUGHT IT FOR OTHER INTENTIONS, BUT NOT FOR THAT INTENTION.
AND ARE THERE ANY, ANY OTHER MOBILE HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY? NOT YOUR PROPERTY, BUT THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS REZONING REQUEST? YEAH, SO IT IS, IT'S A MOBILE HOME THAT, AND I WON'T SWEAR TO THE DIMENSIONS, BUT IT'S APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 12 BY 70 12 BY 75.
LOOK LIKE IT MAY BE YOUR 19 70, 75 MODELS, A VERY OLDER MODEL TRAILER, RIGHT.
TO MY IMMEDIATE LEFT OF MY PROPERTY, WHICH WILL, THAT WOULD FIT IN THE A HUNDRED FOOT STIPULATION.
THERE IS ANOTHER SINGLE-WIDE MOBILE HOME AS WELL.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY CLASS? OKAY.
I THINK WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CHROMIC COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
NOW, BAYLESS AND BOARD NUMBERS.
I GERALD STALLINGS RESIDENCY FROM PEMBROKE MERELY EVER SINCE 1971.
AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS CHANGES TO SEE PEMBRO CHANGE IN TO SUCH A GREAT CLEAN COMMUNITY.
AND ALSO THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, UH, DEALING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD TO REZONE AND UPGRADE PEMBRO COMMUNITY INTO A NICE COMMUNITY.
THE, SOME OF THE AREAS OVER IN PYRAMID THAT HAS BEEN REZONED FROM OUR SIX TAR 10, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT, UH, THE EXCLUSIVE AREAS IN PEMBROKE, WHICH IS UPLIFTING TYPE OF SCENERY, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS BEING ASKED TO BE REZONED FROM OUR 10 BACK CHARLES SIX IS ONE OF THE PIECES OF PROPERTY READ OFF OF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, AS YOU FIRST, UH, ENTERING PEMBRO HEADED FOR A COUNTRY CLUB AND BEING THE PRESIDENT OF CUPRIMINE COMMUNITY EVER SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 1997, I MYSELF HAS BEEN TRYING TO CLEAN UP PEMBROKE AND BEAUTIFIED PEMBROKE AND MAKING IT A NICE HOME WITH THE SUPPORT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
WE HAVE MEETINGS ONCE A MONTH, AND WE ALSO HAVE MEETINGS AS FAR AS DISCUSSING THE AREAS FOR MOBILE HOMES.
ALSO THE AREAS THAT HAS BEEN REZONED TO OUR TEAM, WE WERE HOPING IN THE FUTURE ALSO TO REZONE MORE AREAS FROM OUR SIX TO OUR TEENS TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF PYMBLE.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CRY OF PEOPLE PURCHASING PROPERTY, SAY WITHOUT THE KNOWING OF THE ZONING LAWS, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD RUN INTO CONTACT WITH.
BUT WE HAD A MEETING WEDNESDAY NIGHT, LAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT TO BRING THIS AGENDA AS MAIN TOPIC.
WHAT DO WE THINK AND HOW WE FEEL THAT THE TRELLO THAT ACTUALLY THE YOUNG LADY IS SPEAKING ABOUT THE ONE SPRAWLED ABOUT 12 FOOT WIDE AND ABOUT 40, 45 FEET, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOBILE HOMES THERE THAT IS THERE ON THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE AND HAS BEEN THERE OVER IN PEMBROKE.
SOME OF THE AREAS THAT HAS BEEN REZONED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, FROM OUR
AND AS THESE TRAILERS MOVE OUT AND YOU HAVE 180 DAYS TO MOVE BACK IN TO PUT BACK EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE.
SO WE, AS WE HAD OUR MEETING, WE HAD A UNANIMOUS VOTE TO KEEP AN ASS THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY STILL STAYED
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ZONE OUR 10, BECAUSE WE REALLY HATE TO DOWNGRADE, UH, FROM OUR 10 BACK TO OUR SIX, AFTER GOING THROUGH WITH THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO UPGRADE IT TO OUR TEAM.SO WE'RE ASKING, UH, FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS TO HEAR OUR CRY INTO KEEPING PEMBRO COMMUNITY AS A BEAUTIFUL HOME SITE, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE MADE OVER IN PEMBROKE IN THE LAST FOUR TO FIVE YEARS HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY A VERY HEARTWARMING SCENERY AS YOU EVEN DRIVE THROUGH.
AND IF YOU WOULD EVEN DRIVE THROUGH TONIGHT, YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN AND SEE ALL THE CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS THAT'S OPEN AREA.
AND YOU CAN TELL THAT PEOPLE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE OVER IN PEMBROKE.
YOU'LL FIND ALSO THAT IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT WE OPPOSE TO MOBILE HOME BECAUSE A LOT OF AREAS ARE STILL
AND THIS BASICALLY HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE AREAS THAT IS ON OUR TEAM.
SO WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT TO KEEP THIS AREA STILL ZONING OUR TEAM.
GERALD, DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY, UH, COULD YOU HAVE THOSE WHO WILL SUPPORT YOUR POSITION TO STAND UP? YES.
I LIKE TO ASK HER, MR. GEORGE HAS COME TO THE STAND PLEASE.
MR. GEORGE, YOU RECALL, UH, RECENTLY, UH, YOU AND I, WE MET WITH THE COMMUNITY OF PRIMA COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND YOU HAD A PORTFOLIO WITH YOU AND IT CONTAINED THE NAMES OF THE, UH, FOLKS WHO ARE JOINING THE AREA THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE REZONED.
NOW, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SENT LETTERS THAT ARE JOINED THE PROPERTY, HOW MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE PERMANENT COMMUNITY? IF YOU RECALL, UH, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO LIVE WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE AREA PROPOSED FOR REZONING, ACCORDING TO THE LIST, THERE APPEARS TO BE MAYBE ONE OF ABOUT, ABOUT 17.
SO ONE, ONE INDIVIDUAL LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, 17 LIVE OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY.
ONE OF 17, LOTS SEPARATE LOCKS.
NOW, UH, DO YOU RECALL ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO? UH, WE MET WITH THE PREMIER COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION REGARDING UPGRADING THE ZONING FOR THE PERMANENT AREA.
NOW WHAT WAS THEIR INTENT AT THAT TIME? IF YOU RECALL, THE INTENT WAS TO RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF MOBILE HOMES THAT WERE MOVING INTO THE COMMUNITY NOW, UH, ARE THERE SUFFICIENT? IS THERE SUFFICIENT PROPERTY WITHIN THE CRIMINAL COMMUNITY TO LOCATE A MOBILE HOME? THERE'S A LARGE AREA, INDEPENDENT COMMUNITY WHERE MOBILE HOMES ARE PERMITTED LODGE, OUR SIX AREA.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE, YOU CAN'T PUT ONE THERE.
IT'S JUST, YOU CAN'T PUT ONE IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH QUESTION FOR MR. JORDAN.
WELL, IT'S LIKE
IS IT ANYWHERE NEAR A SIX? IT DOESN'T JOIN A SIX ANYWHERE.
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RIGHT OFF OF COUNTRY ROAD AND NEW AVENUE THAT IS BLOCKED.THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE
JOHN'S IS THE BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN OUR SIX AND THE YARD 10 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
CAN YOU REASON I WAS ASKING IF THERE, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT MRS. WAYNE IS REQUESTING AND IT'LL HAVE TO BE REZONED.
THE ENTIRE BLOCK WOULD HAVE TO BE REZONED IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER, NO, THAT'D BE SPOT ZONING IF IT WAS TO ZONE JUST FOR PROPERTY.
WELL, IT, IT, UM, IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE.
THIS MAY NOT BE NECESSARILY THE SPOTS ON IT.
UH, BUT TO GO IN AND REZONE, JUST ONE BLOCK AND A PORTION OF THAT BLOCK THAT SHE OWNED WAS NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE YARD LIGHT IN BETWEEN, WHICH IS WHY THE DECISION WAS MADE TO REZONE THE WHOLE BLOCK, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE LOTS THAT SHE OWNED AT THAT TIME.
WELL, WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, I LET HIM MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I KNOW, I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NOW LET ME MAKE A FEW COMMENTS OF, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY TO, UH, ALGEBRA THAT YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF THE PERMANENT COMMUNITY, THEY DO NOT WISH TO SEE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION DOWNGRADED.
AND WE HAVE MET EXTENSIVELY REGARDING THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION IN PEMBRO, AND THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO, UH, ENHANCE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF PEMBRO.
AND I THINK THAT YOUR REQUEST IS INCONSISTENT WITH AN INCOMPATIBLE, WITH THE FUTURE GROWTH THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE CRIMINAL COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AREA GROW INTO.
AND, UH, FOR THAT REASON, UH, I HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY MOVE THAT YOUR ZONING REQUEST BE DENIED.
I'LL SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, I AGREE THAT WHEREVER YOU WOULD HAVE JUST PROPOSED IS, IS GOOD, BUT DIDN'T, WE HAVE JUST RECENTLY, UH, UH, A SITUATION WHERE A FAMILY HAD ALREADY MOVED THEIR MOBILE HOME TO A LOT, AND THEN HE FOUND OUT IT WASN'T ZONE PROPERLY.
ARE WE, UH, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT A BUYER BEWARE SITUATION THAT THE BUYER KNOWS FROM THE PERSON WHO'S SELLING THE PROPERTY, THAT THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PROPERLY FOR WHAT THEY INTEND TO USE IT FOR? WELL, HOW CAN WE ENFORCE THAT OR ENCOURAGED PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOBILE HOMES TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE THEY BUY THAT PROPERTY OR WANT TO MOVE A MOBILE HOME ON TO A, TO A LOCATION THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO ADVISE THEM PROPERLY SO THAT THEY DON'T FIT THIS, UH, IN THIS SITUATION WHERE THEY MOVE THE, THE, UH, UM, UH, VEHICLE OR MOVE THE HOME AND THEN HAVE TO MOVE IT AGAIN.
HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S REALLY NOT OUR PROBLEM TO SOLVE IN THIS COUNTRY.
I THINK IT'S DERIVED FROM A FRENCH WORD OR CAVEAT EMPTOR OR BOBBY WHERE YES, SIR.
AND WHEN YOU PURCHASE LAND, IT'S UP TO YOU TO HAVE A LAWYER TO SEARCH IT, TO MAKE SURE NOT ONLY THAT THERE ARE NO LIENS OR ENCUMBRANCES AGAINST THE PROPERTY AND THE FACT THAT THE PERSON ACTUALLY OWN THE LAND.
YOU ALSO NEED TO HAVE THE LAURA TO CHECK, TO SEE IF THE PROPERTY CAN BE USED FOR THE PURPOSES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THE PROPERTY BE USED IN.
SO IT'S REALLY INCUMBENT UPON ANYONE WHO PURCHASES PROPERTY TO, UH, HAVE IT SEARCHED, SEARCHED IN ORDER TO SEE THAT IT WILL, UH, IT CAN BE USED RATHER FOR THE PURPOSES YOU WANT TO USE IT IN.
AND IT'S NOT REALLY A MATTER OF THAT.
WE JUST BRING THAT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO BE MORE AWARE OF WHEN THEY INTEND TO MOVE INTO A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO LIVE, THAT THEY DO THE RESEARCH, AS
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YOU SUGGESTED.I'M GOING TO ASK MR. JORDAN, WHAT WAS THE SITUATION ON THE PREVIOUS TOUR TRAILER THERE? UM, PREVIOUS MANUFACTURED HOME, WE'VE MOVED ON TO A LOT ERONI BECAUSE, UH, THE PERSON WHO PURCHASED THE LOT PURCHASED THE WRONG LOT.
THEY HAD SOMEONE WHO'S NOT A REAL ESTATE BROKER COME OUT AND SHOW THEM NOT PURCHASING DAVE.
AND, UH, THEY MOVED MOBILE HOME ONTO THE WRONG LOT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS IMPLEMENTED AS A RESULT OF THAT PARK AVENUE SITUATION MAY RECALL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WHERE WE HAD, UH, A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT, MAYBE 11 INCHES TOO CLOSE TO THE PRODUCT LINE.
WE REQUIRE SURVEYS NOW, BEFORE AND AFTER SHOWING THAT THE MOBILE HOME WAS LOCATED, WHERE IT SHOULD BE LOCATED.
ONE OF THE LAST THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS IS REQUIRED THAT MOBILE HOME DEALERS, UH, BE ISSUED A PERMIT.
THEY GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF LETTING, UH, POTENTIAL BIAS, UH, DO ALL THE PAPERWORK AND THE FOOTWORK THAT MANY TIMES ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE STEPS AND PROCESSES WITH THE PURCHASING AND THE SETTING UP OF MOBILE HOME MANUFACTURER.
IT WAS MR. RAINEY IS THE ONE WHO DECIDES WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS WORK.
BUT, UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS, ARE THERE ANY ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CAN OFFER TO MS. WYNN AND HER HUSBAND, NO OTHER USE EXCEPT A MODULAR OR STICK HOME? YES.
WELL, A MARGINAL HOME IS PERMITTED ON THE SITE.
A MODULAR HOME IS PERMITTED ON THE SITE THAT SHE'S PURCHASED WHERE MODULAR HOMES ARE PERMITTED ONLY AS ANY ZONING DISTRICT THAN ANY OTHER REGULAR SITE HOME IS PERMITTED, BUT MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE NOT PERMITTED.
AND THERE IS NO VARIANCE, A SPECIAL PERMIT THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO, TO CIRCUMVENT THE SYSTEM.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OH BOY.
MOSTLY WHAT WOULD THE VOTE BE? THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE THAT THE ZONING CHANGE BE DENIED.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING IT, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
NEXT THING THAT WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING 19.98 ACRES LOCATED ADJACENT TO OUR BROWN ELECTRIC SERVICE CAPTAINING FOUR 50 WASHINGTON POST ROAD FROM OUR TM RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL.
WE HAVE SOME FOLKS LEAVING 32ND REST I'M STILL TRYING TO OVERCOME THESE, THAT MUST'VE BEEN IMPORTANT.
I RAN ONCE AN OLD WIVES TALE OR MIA
NOW WE'LL TAKE OUT WHERE WE WERE.
IN FACT, I'LL READ IT AGAIN SINCE THE PUBLIC PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HEARING THIS, UH, MELODIC VOICE OF MAN READ IT.
SO I'LL TRY AGAIN, PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING 19.98 ACRES LOCATED ADJACENT.
THERE ARE A BROWN ELECTRIC SERVICE COMPANY AT FOUR 50 WASHINGTON POST ROAD FROM OUR TAN RESIDENTIAL TO C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
MR. FRANK, MR. FRANK LOT HAS MADE THIS APPLICATION.
HE INITIALLY REQUESTED AT THE ENTIRE 19 EIGHT, THE TRACKING PORTION OF ABOUT NINE AND 9 29 AND A HUNDRED ACRES,
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UH, THAT IT'D BE REZONED FROM OUR TENDENCY THREE COMMERCIAL.AND HOWEVER, IT HAPPENED SOME OF FIRST, 1998, REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD SERVICE CITIZENS FROM THE NEARBY COMMUNITY, ATTENDED A MEETING AND VOICED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THE TRACK AND REZONED FROM OUR 10 TO OUR SIX WELL TO C3 RATHER.
AND AS A COMPROMISE, UH, THE APPLICATION WAS RE UH, REVISE TO REQUEST THAT THE FRONT PORTION OF APPROXIMATELY 19 EIGHT TRACK BE REZONED TO C3 AND THE REMAINING PORTION BE REZONED TO OUR SIX PURPOSE.
BEING THAT THE DEVELOPER, UH, TOWNSHIP PROPERTY OWNER, MR. BLOCK WANTED TO DEVELOP THE FRONT PORTION OF THAT TRACK COMMERCIALLY AND THE REAL PORTION OF IT.
UH, AS A RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, MULTI-FAMILY SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THIS WAS SEEN AS A COMPROMISE TO LIMIT WHAT MAY BE THE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF A LARGE COMMERCIAL TRACK ON A NEARBY WRIGHTWOOD LANE, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT PURCHASE OWNED RTN AND OTHER PORTIONS OF THAT SAME TRACK, HIS OWN R S R 10, AND COULD POTENTIALLY BE RESIDENTIALLY DEVELOPED AFTER DISCUSSION ON THIS REVISION OF THE APPLICATION OF PLANNING AND ZONING.
BOY DID VOTE TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS REVISED APPLICATION BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF ALL.
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER FOLKS THAT WERE THERE? THEY AGREED TO THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, THEY DID WELL, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AND, UH, THAT APPEARED TO BE THE BEST COMPROMISE AT THAT TIME.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT OPPOSING THAT OKAY.
YOU LIKE TO COME FORTH AND TELL US WHAT YOUR OPPOSITION IS? MY NAME IS MIKE WHITFIELD UP RESIDE AT 45 WASHINGTON POST ROAD.
AND, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO MOST OF THEM, UH, THAT ARE CLOSE TO THIS PROPERTY, THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, DO OPPOSE IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT TONIGHT, BUT THEY WERE AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING AND THEY OPPOSE IT, THE PROBLEMS ON FIREWOOD LANE, UH, SEVERAL RESIDENTS OUT THERE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DRAINAGE, THEIR BACKYARD WHEN THEY HAVE A HEAVY RAIN IT'S MUSHY OR STANDS OUT THERE A LOT.
AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WILL DO WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS EXTRA FRONT OFFICE PROBABLY GOING TO BE CREATED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, MY BIGGEST OPPOSITION LIVING ON WASHINGTON POST ROAD, UH, AND I'VE LIVED OUT THERE, UH, ABOUT EIGHT YEARS NOW.
I HAVE A WIFE AND TWO SMALL DAUGHTERS, AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER KIDS OUT THERE.
WE HAVE A BAD, BAD TRAFFIC PROBLEM OUT THERE NOW.
UH, AND I, I DON'T SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THIS BUSINESS TYPE HISTORY IN THIS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FOR THESE BUSINESSES TO BUILD UPON, IT'S GOING TO CREATE MORE TRAFFIC.
AND I, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MORE TRAFFIC OUT HERE UNTIL WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM WE'VE GOT OUR, WITH THE TRAFFIC.
UH, AND ALSO, UH, THE, THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT I UNDERSTAND IS SUPPOSED TO GO INTO THE REAR SECTION OF IT IS, UH, UH, UH, THEY'LL EXPLAIN TO IT.
I'LL TELL YOU, I'M SURE MORE IS A GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED TYPE HOUSING.
AND, UH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THAT.
THE ONLY THING IS FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
I'M SCARED OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
IT'S USUALLY STARTS OUT REAL NICE AND GOES DOWNHILL FROM THERE.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO LIVE NEAR THAT.
I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN TO LIVE NEAR THAT, TRY TO PARK IT'S IN THE REAR BACK THERE, THAT WE OPPOSED.
AND, UH, IT, IT WENT THROUGH AND, UH, IT WAS NICE IN THE BEGINNING, BUT IT'S, IT'S BAD NOW.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE Y'ALL VOTE AGAINST THIS TONIGHT.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I KNOW IT WILL BE DEVELOPED AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER ONE OF THESE DAYS, BUT IT CAN BE DEVELOPED A WHOLE LOT BETTER.
I FEEL IN THE FUTURE OTHER THAN WHAT THEY PLAN FOR NOW, ROGER BROWN IS OUT THERE AS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.
THAT METAL BUILDING HAS BEEN OUT THERE A LONG TIME AND WAS VACANT FOR A LOT OF YEARS, BUT ROGER'S DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB SINCE HE'S MOVED IN AT TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK AS, AS HOMEY AS HE CAN PULL THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT I JUST OPPOSE ANY WALK-INS, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT MAINLY FOR THE TRAFFIC REASON.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE IN OPPOSITION? HOW ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT WANT TO DEVELOP THE INDIVIDUAL HERE THAT WANTS TO DEVELOP IT? NOT TO COME FORWARD AND TELL US
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WHAT THE PLANS ARE.THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS FRANK BLOCK AND I'M FROM WILMINGTON AND IT USUALLY IS PRETTY GOOD WHEN YOU BECOME BEFORE A GROUP THAT REALLY DOESN'T KNOW YOU TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR BACKGROUND.
SO YOU KNEW WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
UH, I WAS BORN IN WILMINGTON AND I'VE LIVED THERE ALL MY LIFE, EXCEPT FOR WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL OR IN THE ARMY.
AND, UH, FOR THE LAST 22 YEARS, I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING LAW THERE PRIOR TO THAT, UH, IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THAT, OF COURSE I WAS IN LAW SCHOOL, BUT PRIOR TO THAT, I WAS A, UH, IN THE APPAREL MANUFACTURING BUSINESS THERE WITH, UH, BLOCK INDUSTRIES, UH, DOING IN ABOUT 19 86, 87.
I ALSO GOT INVOLVED IN POLITICS AND HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF REPRESENTING NEW HANOVER AND PENDER COUNTIES AND THE NORTH CAROLINA STATE SENATE FOR SIX YEARS.
UH, IT WAS DURING THAT TIME THAT I BEGAN TO FIRST LEARN OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING BEING AVAILABLE IN NORTH CAROLINA.
AND THE THING THAT BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION WAS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DOLLARS IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA THAT WAS GOING TO ALL THE PARTS OF THE STATE TO ASSIST THE FOLKS THERE.
AND WE WHO LIVE IN, UH, EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA, PARTICULARLY SOUTHEASTERN NORTH CAROLINA WAS, WERE, WERE JUST SIMPLY NOT PARTICIPATING.
UH, AFTER I GOT OUT OF THE SENATE, UH, GOT TOGETHER WITH, UH, SCOTT REDINGER, WHO WAS A, WHO AT THE TIME WAS WORKING FOR AN AGENCY OF THE CITY OF WILMINGTON, BUT NOW AS AN INDEPENDENT, UH, HOUSING CONSULTANT.
AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT PUTTING TOGETHER, UH, A PROJECT, WELL, IT, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO PUT TOGETHER THESE TAX CREDIT TYPES OF PROJECTS.
AND, UH, IT TOOK SEVERAL YEARS AS A MATTER OF FACT, BUT ULTIMATELY WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THE THING TOGETHER.
AND, UH, WE, WE GOT THE DEVELOPMENT MOVING, UH, IN LAURINBURG THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND IS NOW FULLY OCCUPIED.
IT WAS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT IT RENTED UP WITHIN ABOUT 30 DAYS AT THE, AT THE TIME THAT, UH, IT WAS COMPLETED.
UM, WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT PROJECT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IN LAURINBURG THAT WE WOULD, WE COULD PAY US A RAMP THAT YOU ALL JUST SORT OF TAKE A LOOK AT THE TYPE OF THING THAT WE DO.
UH, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE DID IN LAURINBURG, UH, IN THAT WE'RE ASKING THAT THE, THE, THE OUT PARCELS, UH, THE REASONS THAT WE COULD USE THEM FOR COMMERCIAL TYPE, UH, STRUCTURES.
UH, I HAVE DONE THIS ALSO IN WILMINGTON, AND I HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS ALSO OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT, THAT WE DID IN, UH, IN, IN WILMINGTON.
UH, THESE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE NOT ALL OF PROJECTS THAT I PARTICULARLY, UH, BUT THEY ARE ALL OF THE TYPE OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION THAT WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING FOR THOSE OUT PARCELS.
UH, SOME OF THESE, I DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN OTHERS.
I DO NOT, BUT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST TO LET YOU SEE ON THE GROUND OR PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT'S ON THE GROUND OF THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE'D BE INTERESTED IN IN DOING, UH, BEFORE WE, WE CAME HERE TO, UH, NEWBURN, UH, BEFORE WE GOT INTERESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE WERE INTERESTED IN ANOTHER PIECE AND THAT SIMPLY DIDN'T WORK BECAUSE THE, IT TURNED OUT THAT THE SOLES WERE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SIZE OF STRUCTURES THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO PUT ON IT.
SO WE HAD A TOBACCO OFF OF IT, BUT WHAT WE DID IN THAT PROJECT, OR THAT DEVELOPMENT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING THAT WE WERE, WE WERE DOING HERE.
UH, WE ALWAYS BEGIN, UH, UH, AIR MOVED INTO THIS TYPE OF AREA BY HAVING A MEETING WITH THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE AREA.
WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY INTERESTED IN KICKING THE DOOR DOWN.
UH, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BE KNOWN AND BE RECEIVED AS GOOD NEIGHBORS, UH, MUCH THE SAME WAY THAT WE FEEL THAT WE'RE BEING RECEIVED IN, UH, IN LAURINBURG.
UH, THAT IS THE APPROACH THAT, THAT WE WANT TO TAKE.
UH, SO WE DID HAVE A MEETING AND FOLKS DID COME AND THEY EXPRESSED MANY OF THE SAME CONCERNS, UH, THAT YOU HEAR HERE TONIGHT.
AND I CANNOT SAY TO YOU TRUTHFULLY, THAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE NOT VALID, UH, CERTAINLY THAT THEY, UH, THEY CAN, THEY CAN HAVE
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SOME CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND ABOUT, UH, ABOUT TRAFFIC.UH, AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE IS CONCERNED.
OF COURSE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PERMITS THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO GET IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.
AND WE RAN INTO THAT SAME PROBLEM, UH, UP IN LAURINBURG AND THERE, UH, WE HAD TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM BY BUILDING TWO RETENTION PONDS, UH, THAT, THAT IS A PROBLEM HERE.
THEN OF COURSE, WE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT MUCH THE SAME WAY.
UH, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC IS DISCERNED, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BRING THIS HOARDS OF NEW TRAFFIC EMPHASIS.
HE WOULD BRING SOME CAUSE THERE WOULD BE SIMPLY MORE PEOPLE LIVING THERE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE TO THAT IS, EXCEPT TILL IT CLICKS, THEY COULD NEVER DEVELOP THE LAND.
UH, AND, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT THAT WOULD BE A PRACTICAL THING TO DO.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, COME IN AND DO IT RIGHT.
AND, UH, PUT A DEVELOPMENT IN THERE THAT, THAT FOLKS WON'T BE ASHAMED TO BE LIVING NEXT TO.
NOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ANYBODY HAS IN BEING IN A POSITION LIKE ARMENIAN IS WHY DOES THEY, WHY SHOULD THEY BELIEVE ME? WHY SHOULD YOU BELIEVE ME? AND, UH, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A GOOD, GOOD ANSWER TO THAT.
UH, THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS IT DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING, LOOK AT WHAT I AM DOING, LOOK AT WHAT I HAVE DONE.
AND I WOULD INVITE ANYONE WHO CARES TO DO SO TO CALL THE FOLKS IN LAURINBURG AND GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE DONE THERE.
AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE NAMES AND THE TELEPHONE NUMBERS OF ANY AUTISM, UH, REFERENCES THERE.
UH, AND I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL IF ANYONE CARES TO DO THAT.
BUT, UH, LIKE I SAY, WE WANT TO COME IN AND WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT.
WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL CAN BE PROUD OF, THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF, KEEP IN MIND.
HOWEVER, I ALWAYS LIKE TO TELL FOLKS, THIS ARE, THERE WON'T BE ANY MISUNDERSTANDING.
UH, MY INTEREST IN THIS IS PURELY ENTREPRENEURIAL.
UH, BUT HAVING SAID THAT IT IS NOT SOLELY ENTREPRENEURIAL, ALTHOUGH IF THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK AND IT DOESN'T MAKE A PROFIT, THE PROJECTS DID MAYBE EMPHASIZE THAT POINT.
BUT, UH, WE ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, IN DOING PROJECTS OF THIS TYPE OR DOING DEVELOPMENTS OF THIS TYPE THAT WE DO WELL BY DOING GOOD.
AND, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES A HOUSING TO FOLKS THAT ARE, UH, PERHAPS NOT AT THE VERY TOP OF THE INCOME SCALE YET ARE NOT AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
UH, THIS IS NOT HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO INCOME.
THIS IS FOR FOLKS WHO ARE, UH, PERHAPS, UH, JUST MARRIED, UH, JUST GETTING STARTED IN LIFE, UH, SOMETHING TOWARDS THE LOWER END OF THE INCOME SCALE, BUT YET FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING, UH, THE ONE IN LAURINBURG IS, IS CONCEPTUALIZED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UH, THAT IS, UH, SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, BUT IT'S ALSO WHAT IS CALLED A FAMILY SELF-SUFFICIENCY UNIT.
UH, AND THAT PARTICULAR, UH, DEVELOPMENT, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE CAN ONLY BE THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND DURING THAT TIME, THEY HAVE TO EITHER BE IN SCHOOL OR WORKING.
AND FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING A PORTION OF THEIR SALARY IS PUT AWAY EACH MONTH.
SO THAT AT THE END OF THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, THEY HAVE A NEST DAY IN WHICH TO GO OUT AND BUY THEIR EVIDENCE.
AND PERHAPS IT TALKING A LITTLE LONGER THAN Y'ALL WANT TO HEAR, BUT, UH, THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING VERY WELL.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL ARE THE SAME GROUP WANTING TO PUT SOMETHING ON PINE TREE HERE A FEW MONTHS BACK IN MY, IN MY LAP.
AND I MET WITH YOU FOLKS UP THERE AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE SURROUNDING THE AREA TO WORK OUT A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, AND IT ALL WORKED OUT REAL FINE WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, I'M SORRY, BUT THE LAND DIDN'T CHECK OUT OUT THERE AS A REASON YOU DIDN'T BUILD AVENUE, BUT MY NEIGHBORS AND THAT AREA WAS, WAS, UH, PERFECTLY WILLING TO HAVE YOUR DEVELOPMENT DAY WITH THE BUFFERS AND ALL THAT YOU, YOU WERE GOING TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, SIR.
WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.
AND THE BUFFERS IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WOULD BE WITH THE RESIDENTS, UH, BEFORE.
AND I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY AT THIS, AT THIS POINT EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF BUFFERS WE CAN DEVELOP IN A LONG NARROW SKINNY,
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UH, A PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, UH, CERTAINLY W W WHAT COMES TO MIND OR BERMS AND TENSES, UH, IT'D BE MY PREFERENCE.I DON'T, I'M NOT REALLY WILD ABOUT DITCHES, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
UH, AND THAT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE WOULD, WOULD, WOULD WORK BECAUSE IT WAS THE DRAINAGE PROFIT THAT TURNS OUT TO BE NECESSARY COSTS.
WE COULD DO THAT AS WELL HERE, BUT IT CERTAINLY, AGAIN, I EMPHASIZE THAT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE WORKED OUT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA.
WE'D BE VERY HAPPY TO DO THAT.
MR. BLACKBOARD, UH, IS THERE ANY SIMILAR THING THAT WE HAVE IN NEIGHBOR NOW? IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT TO WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.
IF I COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO LIT, UH, SCOTT ADDRESS THAT HE HAS DONE OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENTS HERE THAT YOU MIGHT BE AWARE OF.
AND HE COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THE HIMSELF, NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY AS IT, AND AS LONG AS IT'S THE SAME STORY, YOU'LL BRING PARK TERRACE.
WE NOW BEEN REDEVELOPED TO DEVELOP IT FOR THE ELDERLY.
THAT'S A TAX CREDIT PROJECT HAS BEEN DEALT WITH PRIMARY PERSON CONTACT PERSON.
AND THEN I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH DAVID TO ASSIST THE CITY NONPROFIT CORPORATION, TO REDEVELOPMENT.
GREENHEART TERRORISTS THAT ONLY TO RECALL HER AND ME AND DO AFFAIRS TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.
AND NOW YOU HAVE WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT OF A ONE BEDROOM UNITS FOR THE ELDERLY.
ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING FOR THE ELDERLY AT KENSINGTON PARK DRIVE, UH, THAT, UH, 2 0 2 PROGRAM.
AND THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT RACE TRACK ROAD.
ONE OF OUR LENDERS, THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT CORPORATION OF NORTH CAROLINA, WHICH IS BASICALLY AN ASSOCIATION OF PRIVATE SAVINGS AND LOANS AND BANKS THAT COME TOGETHER TO FUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I DON'T RECALL THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT OFF RACETRACK DRIVE, BUT A COMPATRIOT IN MY MIND, IF YOU'RE HEADING OUT RACETRACK IT'S ON THE LEFT, UH, AND IT'S GOT SIDING THAT THAT IS FUNDED WITH THE LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO DEVELOP THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL, UH, USES.
BUT THIS OFFICE FLEX SPACE, WE TEND TO HAVE ABOUT FOUR OFFICE AREAS THERE.
AND WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BERNARD AND MIKE AVERY, AND WE KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF LIMITING ACCESS ON TO WASHINGTON POST ROAD.
SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND WORK VERY HARD TO HAVE ONE DRIVE ONTO THAT ROAD.
UH, WE WORKED VERY HARD, UH, TO, UH, BUFFER THE COMMERCIAL AREA AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND MAKE IT AS ATTRACTIVE AS WE CAN.
UH, WE WILL ALSO BUFFER THAT AREA FROM OUR APARTMENT COMPLEX.
UH, WE PLANTED INITIALLY BUILD 40 UNITS.
THESE UNITS ARE BEING FUNDED IN PART WITH LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS.
NOW, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO APPLY TO THE STATE FOR AN ALLOCATION OF CREDITS.
IF WE RECEIVE THAT, WE'RE GOING TO SELL THAT TO A PRIVATE CORPORATION IN RETURN FOR EQUITY MONEY, WHICH WILL HELP US REDUCE THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE LINE AND ALLOW US TO OFFER THE UNITS AT ABOUT 400 TO $500 A MONTH.
SO A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH FOR TWO BEDROOMS, ABOUT $500 A MONTH FOR THREE BEDROOMS, WE'LL BE TARGETING FAMILIES WITH INCOMES UNDER $25,000 A YEAR.
I'M SURE YOU PAY YOUR POLICE OFFICERS WELL AND YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE CITY AND SERVICE SECTOR, UH, THAT NEED AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE.
UH, WE FEEL LIKE IF WE CAN OFFER UNITS AROUND FOUR TO $500 A MONTH AT THAT WILL BE, UH, AFFORDABLE APARTMENT, UH, AS MR BLOCK SAYS, WE DO NOT KNOW THAT WE CAN PUT THIS TOGETHER AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS THE FIRST STAFF, OR ONCE YOU APPROVE THIS, WE'LL BEGIN TO SPEND MONEY ON ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS AND ATTORNEYS AND OTHERS TO HELP US DETERMINE THIS WORK, IF IT DOES, AND THE NUMBERS WORK, WE'LL PROCEED, UH, WITH THIS CONCEPT, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DO, OR AT LEAST ALWAYS DO WHEN I COME TO A COMMUNITY IS HAVE A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
PRIOR TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
WE HAD A MEETING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AT THE MEADOWS, WHICH IS THE ELDERLY COMPLEX I DEVELOPED.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU BENEFITS, YOU GET THE DEVELOPMENT AND YOU USED TO BUILD EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
UH, AND WE INTRODUCED OURSELVES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TOLD THEM WHO WE WORK AND TOLD THEM FACTUALLY WHAT WE PLAN TO DO.
WE UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT WE, YOU CAN CALL PEOPLE IN ASHEVILLE.
WELL, I'VE DONE THINGS HERE, UH,
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THAT WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH YOUR COMMUNITY.WE KNOW THAT THIS IS THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN THEIR HOMES.
WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL AND MINDFUL OF THAT.
AND WE WILL WORK WITH THEM WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR DESIGN, WE KNOW DRAINAGE IS A CONCERN.
WE WILL LET THEM MEET WITH OUR ENGINEERS AND TELL OUR ENGINEERS WHAT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ARE, SO THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO CALL CENTER IN THE FUTURE.
WE WILL TRY TO BUFFER OUR SITE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND THAT YOU'LL AGREE THAT WE WERE, UH, IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I CAN'T MR. BOWED FOUNDER, THAT WE WERE OFFERING TO BUFFER THE SITE EVEN MORE THAN WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRE.
SO WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS TYPE OF HOUSING, UH, WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR NUBER AND I'VE BEEN VERY PLEASED IN WORKING IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE MR.
I FEEL A BIT LEFT OUT HERE AND THAT I REPRESENT THAT, AND I WASN'T PRIVILEGED TO ATTEND YOUR COMMUNITY MEETING THAT INFORMED US OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
I KNEW THAT WHEN I SAW YOU, THAT I WORK WITH YOU WITH THE GREEN PARK TERRACE PROJECT, AND, UH, KENSINGTON DID SOMETHING OVER THERE, FILM, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DOUBT THAT YOU WILL DO THAT, THAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO, BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB SO FAR.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE THIS KIND OF REQUEST.
AND WHEN I READ IT HERE, AND THAT WAS ON, IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO BE APPROVED OF THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE COMMUNITY IS, UH, PLEASED WITH WHAT YOU'VE SAID TONIGHT.
WE'VE HAD ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO CAME BEFORE US AND BEFORE ME, AND GOT ME BLINDSIDED SOMEWHAT THAT I'M NOT AS KNOWLEDGEABLE AS MAYBE YOU ARE OR ANYBODY ELSE OF WHAT IT IS YOU'RE PROPOSING.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT BEING OPPOSED TO WHAT COMMUNITIES WANT.
IF SOMEONE IS HERE FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHO SAYS THAT THEY FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, ADVERSE TO THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH LIVE AND IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH I REPRESENT.
AND I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO THAT AND INTELLIGENTLY DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE FEEL THIS GOOD FOOD.
SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT IN MIND, I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER US IF WE WOULD TABLE THIS AND ALLOW ME TO CATCH UP UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING BEFORE WE MAKE ANY OF THIS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T INVITED TO THAT FIRST TWO BEATINGS OF TOTAL, MY CONSTITUENTS CALLED ME AND INVITED ME TO ONE, WELL, SHE DIDN'T CALLED ME, BUT HE CAME BEFORE ME AND SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S OPPOSED.
AND FOR THAT REASON, I CANNOT DISREGARD THE FACT THAT HE'S, UM, THIS GENTLEMAN IS OPPOSED TO JUST DEVELOPING.
I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE AWAY, BUT IF THAT'S A MOTION, I'LL SECOND.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENCE FOR THE LEADER OF THAT DISTRICT.
AND SHE'S NOT REQUESTING THAT THE ZONING REQUEST BE DENIED, BUT RATHER SHE WANTS TO INVESTIGATE IT.
SO IT'S NOT A DENIAL, BUT IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO INVESTIGATE THEIR REQUESTS AND TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THAT DISTRICT.
YOU HAVE THIS REZONING PATIENT, I THINK SHE HAS A LOT OF FAITH AND YOUR COMPANY AND YOU AS A DEVELOPER, BUT WE HAVE TO RESPECT OR HER WANTING TO INVESTIGATE, WHICH IS THE RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.
AND YOU KNOW, I WASN'T MEANING TO OVERLOOK, HEARING BARBARA LEE.
UM, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL, EVERYBODY GETS UP AND SAY, GOOD AFTERNOON, GENTLEMEN.
WELL, WE, WE, WE BASICALLY TYPICALLY INVITE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO MEET WITH THEM AND, UH, IT, SO THAT THEY KNOW WHO WE ARE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO.
AND WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU, BUT YOU'LL GET IN TROUBLE WITH THIS BOARD WHEN YOU DON'T INVITE THEM FIRST.
I DON'T, I DON'T WELL, UH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO ASK BEFORE.
UH, WHAT IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN YOU AND MR. BLOCK? YOU WORK FOR MR. BLOCK, KNOCK ON THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT HE ASSIGNED THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION,
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CONTRACT AND VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA AND OKAY, WELL THAT ANSWERS THAT.AND HE'S A GOOD PROJECT THAT YOU DID OVER THERE.
I MAKE NOTES, UH, HOMES AVAILABLE FOR THE ELDERLY GOOD PROJECT.
NOW, IF I MAY, UH, MR. BLOCK, YOU'D RATHER BUILD APARTMENTS THAN MAKE SHIRTS NOW.
HUH? YOU'D RATHER BUILD APARTMENTS NOW THAN MAKE SHIRTS.
I GOT OUT OF THE SHIRT BUSINESS 1972.
ABOUT THE TIME I WAS LEAVING WILMINGTON.
NO, I WAS, I WAS HERE THEN I WAS ALREADY HERE THEN, UH, YOU STILL OWN THE UNITS IN LAURINBURG.
YOU BUILD THEM FOR LONG-TERM OWNERSHIP OR I'M REQUIRED TO OWN THEM.
AND, UH, IN MY NAME FOR 30 YEARS OR 30 YEARS IS HE CAN SELL THOSE BACK UP.
AND THE OWNERS CORPORATION FOR 15 YEARS, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR ARE THE ONES IN LAURINBURG, THE ONLY ONES YOU'VE BUILT SO FAR.
YOU OWN WAS, I HAVE BUILT THAT COURSE TO DISCUSS THAT A LOT OF, UH, WELL, SCOTT'S OUT OF IT NOW, RIGHT NOW.
UH, YOU HAVEN'T BUILT ANY WILMINGTON? NO, SIR.
WHY HAVEN'T YOU BUILT ANY IN WOMAN? WE TRIED.
THAT WAS THE FIRST PLACE THAT TRIED, UH, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS PROJECT OF THIS TYPE TO GO UP.
UH, THE FIRST THING IS THE FAMILY LAND, UH, NEW HANOVER COUNTY IS ABOUT USED UP AND WHAT LAND THERE IS.
THERE DOES NOT LEND ITSELF VERY WELL TO AN ENTREPRENEURIAL TYPE PROJECT THAT WANTS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, THE LAND, THEY ARE SIMPLY TOO EXPENSIVE.
UH, WHEN WE, UH, THE SECOND PLACE THAT WE LOOKED AFTER, NEW HANOVER COUNTY DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR US WAS PENDER COUNTY, WHICH NEXT COUNTY UP AND MAKES IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UH, WE TRIED BRUNSWICK COUNTY AND AGAIN, BRUNSWICK COUNTY HAS PLENTY OF LAND, BUT NOT MUCH WATER AND SEWER.
UH, SO, UH, THAT DIDN'T, WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE LOOKED AT BRUNSWICK AFTER WE DID LAURINBURG.
I THOUGHT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UH, LAURINBURG WAS ACTUALLY ON THIRD CHOICE AS FAR AS LOCATION IS CONCERNED.
UH, AND THE REASON WE SELECTED LAURINBURG, UH, WAS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT THEY HAVE THERE AND THE, UH, THAT WE WERE WANTING TO USE AS THE MAN, THE MANAGING AGENCY, UH, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, THE, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE A TAX CREDIT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, THERE ARE A LOT OF TECHNICAL DETAILS THAT HAVE TO BE ATTENDED TO THAT CAN GET YOU INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE.
IF YOU DON'T THE THING I'M COMING TO FAN.
AND I'M STILL IN A LEARNING CURVE ON THIS TYPE OF WORK, IS THAT THE SUPERVISING AND THE AGENCY YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH MOST ON SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, HOUSING IS NOT HOOD.
IT'S THE IRS AND THE BIGGEST DANGER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FACE AND DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
IT'S NOT FROM HUD, IT'S FROM THE IRS.
IT'S, UH, A LOT OF NUMBERS INVOLVED AND A LOT OF VERY, VERY TECHNICAL DETAIL REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH.
SO ALL THAT HAVING SAID, ALL I WOULD HAVE BOILS DOWN TO IS THAT WHOEVER'S MANAGING THIS THING HAS GOT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND YOU CAN'T BE AN OFFSITE MANAGER.
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY ONSITE THERE ALL THE TIME.
NOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AS FAR AS NEWBURN IS CONCERNED.
WELL, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT WE WERE LOOKING HERE AS WELL IS BECAUSE THEY ARE PEOPLE HERE IN TOWN DOING OTHER, MANAGING OTHER PROJECTS FOR SCOTT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CALL UPON TO MANAGE ERRORS AS WELL, WHO HAVE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE YOUR PROJECT IS THAI.
WELL, WE, UH, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT.
OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT FOLKS.
OF COURSE, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR PAYCHECK LOOKS LIKE, WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE OR NOT.
AND WE'RE ALWAYS INTERESTED IN MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE AREA, BUT, UH, I ALSO WANT TO LOOK CLOSELY ANYTIME SOMEONE COMES FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE AND DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO DO US A BIG FAVOR BY BUYING A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
SO I WANTED TO, UH, TO CHAT ABOUT THAT AND FIND OUT IF YOU HAD EXAMINED THE POSSIBILITIES OF WILMINGTON, I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE HOUSING OF THIS TYPE OF AVAILABLE DEVELOPED, BUT WE, UH, WE, OF COURSE, WE'LL
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KEEP AN EYE ON THE FACT THAT WE DON'T WANT THE DEVELOPER TO THEN SHORTCHANGE THE RESIDENTS BY ALLOWING IT TO BECOME RUNDOWN OR SOMETHING TO CAUSE THAT WOULD NOT BE GOOD FOR THE KIND OF CITY.SO I'M ENCOURAGED BY WHAT YOU HAVE SAID.
I'M ENCOURAGED BY THE FACT THAT YOUR CONNECTION WITH THIS GENTLEMEN SHOWS WHAT HE HAS DONE BEFORE HERE.
SO THERE IS AN ESTABLISHED CONNECTION ALREADY HERE IN NEWBURN.
THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BETTER.
CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS
BY THE END OF JANUARY, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET WITH IN THE LEAGUE.
UM, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD MEET WITH YOU AND THEN IF YOU HAVE SOME TIME TO MEET IN JANUARY AND CONSIDER THIS BEFORE THE END OF JANUARY, THAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL UNTIL AFTER SHE'S MET WITH Y'ALL.
SHE CAN GET US THE HEART WHEN TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA THAT WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
FIRST WE MEET IN JANUARY AND WE CAN DO THAT, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MET, THAT HE MET WITH HER THAT WAY.
WE GOT TWO MEETINGS IN JANUARY, IF WE COULD DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE WE WERE SPENDING MONEY.
AND IF WE SPEND MONEY AND YOU DON'T APPROVE IT, THEN IT'S LIKE THAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN THE SALT KILLS, OR MR. BOX SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.
I HAVEN'T GOT TO BE TALKING WITH, UM, MR. JONES AND SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE HOLIDAYS AND YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING THAT THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
IF I, THEN I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, IF YOU GUYS COULD SEE ME BETWEEN BE GOOD.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY I OPPOSED.
DID WE HAVE A MOTION THEN TO, YEAH.
I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY.
NOW THE CONSENT AGENDA MAYOR LIKE NUMBER 10, NUMBER 10 IS MOVE TO APPROVE THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IF NOT CALL THE ROLE? UM, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
UH, MAYOR, A NUMBER 10 THAT I PULLED IS THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR VILLAGE IN THE WOODS SECTION FOR PHASE TWO.
I LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS FINAL, UH, UH, SECTION WITH THIS, UH, STIPULATION THAT THE THREE ITEMS AS MENTIONED IN THERE, WHICH IS, UH, THAT'S THE ESTABLISHED WALKWAY AND OPEN SPACE THAT HAD BEEN OVERGROWN BY GRASS PLANT, APPROXIMATELY 40 TREES AND CLEARED A BUFFER OF BOUNDARIES AND STOPPED STREAM 2 66 AND 2 74.
THEY, UH, DEVELOP A, HAS A BOND WITH THE CITY FOR THIS.
AND I LIKE TO RECOMMEND A STARTING DATE OF JANUARY THE FIRST THAT HE HAS 120 DAYS TO COMPLETE THESE THREE FUNCTIONS OR THE CITY WE'LL UH, WE'LL DO IT.
SO YEAH, THE COMMENT WE WANT A SPECIFIC, WHEN HE ASKED TO DO I JUST READ THEM OUT, IT WAS THREE SPECIFIC ITEMS. I JUST READ THEM OUT.
WELL WE HAVE A MOTION, THE SLACKER, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION SECOND.
ANYBODY GOT ANY POINTS? YEAH, I DO.
MR. BRIAN, UH, GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE.
I JUST TOOK THE TIME TO NOMINATE, UH, ONE OF MY FRIENDS AND THE STEAM MEMBER OF THIS GOVERNING BOARD, UH, MR. BILL BOUNDARY, WILLIAM BALLENGER AS MAYOR APPROACH HIM FOR THIS UPCOMING TERM.
WELL, I HEAR A SLACK SEC AND IN FRONT OF THE DISCUSSION OF THAT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
NO, YOU HAVE THE GRAIN UP AND I SHOULD BE CALLING YOU SOON.
ANY OTHER APPOINTMENTS? EVERYBODY HAS ANY PROBLEM ONCE? HOW ABOUT MISCELLANEOUS? I KNOW IT MUST, WARD'S GOT ONE.
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IN THERE, AS YOU WILL RECALL, THE CITY HAS AN OPTION TO PURCHASE MARTIN MARIETTA QUARRY.THAT OPTION RAN UNTIL JUNE 15 OF THIS YEAR, WHEN IT BECAME OBVIOUS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE UNABLE TO PROCURE ALL THE NECESSARY PERMITS, TO BE SURE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT OR WHAT IT WAS BEING PURCHASED.
WE SECURED AN EXTENSION WHICH EXPIRES ON DECEMBER 31ST.
UH, I TALKED TO MR. HARTMAN DAY AND WE AGREED THAT I WOULD SUBMIT A RESOLUTION TONIGHT, UH, REQUESTING THAT MARTIN MARIETTA GRANT, AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION.
HE INDICATED WHEN WE TALK THAT WE WILL HAVE A, A PAPER FROM RANDY GOULD, WHICH ADDRESSES WHAT IS LEFT TO BE DONE, AND WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMPLETE IT.
SO AS TO BE ABLE TO AFFECT PRECIOUS EXERCISE, THE OPTION, I THINK WE'LL HAVE THAT TOMORROW.
I HAVE PASSED OUT A RESOLUTION WHICH RECITES THE FACTS AND REQUESTS THAT MARTIN MARIETTA MATERIALS INC BEING IT IS HEREBY REQUESTED TO AMEND THE OPTION AGREEMENT AND AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE AND SALE OF REAL PROPERTY.
SO THAT THE TIME DURING WHICH THE CITY MAY EXERCISE ITS OPTION TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY THERE AND DESCRIBE THE EXTENDED TO, AND INCLUDING JUNE 30TH, 1999 WITHOUT THE RESOLUTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT ROLL PLEASE? YES.
THANK YOU, MR. WARD, FOR THAT QUICK RESPONSE ON THAT RESOLUTION.
UH, ANY MISCELLANEOUS MR. MADDEN NOW ON NEW ORLEANS? UH, I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY IN THE REGION MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY AND HEALTHY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR, 1999, THE, UH, HAPPY SEASONED EVERYBODY.
HE GOT EVERYBODY THERE'S NOBODY LEFT MR. BOWDEN ATTORNEY REINER.
I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
I WISH EVERYONE A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.
I THINK YOU AGREED WITH MR. PARR MERRY CHRISTMAS.
AND I OF COURSE WISH ALL HAVING THE SAME AMERICAN CHRISTMAS AND THANKS FOR PUTTING UP WITH US, BUT THE LAST YEAR AND UH, HOW CAN WE PUT OUT WEST, BUT FUCK YOU, COME IN.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU, I GUESS WE'LL BE NEXT TO YOU ON WESLEY I'M ON IT OR MOVE WE ADJOURN, BUT IT WILL BE SENT ON YOU THINK.