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I WAS WALKED IN HEAVEN.

HOW B UH, EVERY GOOD AND EVERY PERFECT WE, THAT HUMBLE SERVICE COME IN THE PRESENCE AND MIGHTY LORD HAS BECOME YOUR THING.

ALL THE BLESSINGS THAT GOD HAS IN STORE FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ALIVE, SEEING THE BEGINNING, OR WHAT HAVE YOU AND THE VIETNAMESE, UH, THE, FOR US ALL OR PERSONS, AND THAT HAS BECOME FLOUR.

WE ALL FISHING THE MAG AND ALL THE GOVERNING.

AND WE'D ASKED ASK IN THE NAME OF JESUS, BUT UNDERSTANDING POP SHE'LL DO THAT VAT TO MAKE GOVERNING LAW THAT WILL SUIT ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF A CITY, BECOME FLAWED TO ADDRESS THAT RISK ROSS SCHOOL OUT THE STRUCTURE.

YES, LORD BE I'LL HELP.

WE NEED THE IN TIME LIGHTNING, WE PRAISE LAW, THE PRESIDENT OF THIS RESIGNATION.

AND WE ASK IN THE NAME OF JESUS THAT WHEN IT'S LESSENING, I WOULDN'T OPEN THE BUILDING AND GRANT THAT JUSTICE WILL BE DONE IN HIS LIFE.

LORD YOUR GOD IN.

THEN WE CAN MOVE THIS CITY WITHOUT COMING IN FROM THE SHOP WE BEHELD APPEALABLE THAT SAYS, JEEZ, IS LAW OF KNEW.

WE ASKED HIM TO HELP US TO MAKE IT LESS CHEAP.

REMEMBER THE CITY IN THIS ALL OVER THE MAN, JUST HEAL COMFORTABLE STRATTON, SAY ADDRESS AND HELP US WHEN WE CALL TO THE AREA OF JUNE, JUST LET US LOOK BACK AND SEE A LIE WELL SPINNING.

AND THAT'S IT.

AND YOU'LL GIVE THAT EVERY GRADERS, THE GLUE AND ALL SHELL IN THE MIGHTY PRECIOUS NAME.

AMEN.

YEAH, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BUT, UH, VERY STIRRING PRIOR, YOU MADE ME FORGET ABOUT HALF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, THAT WAS REAL GOOD.

WE'D LIKE TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THE NIGHT THE RETIRING OF OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR AND MR. BILL COWARD.

AND WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT, UH, IN A FAIRLY INFORMAL MANNER TONIGHT, AND THEN PERHAPS A LITTLE MORE FORMAL

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MATTER DOWN THE ROAD.

AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY PERSONALLY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK SOMETIMES THINGS ARE DONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND GOVERNMENT OR IN CITIES OR WHATEVER.

AND I CAN ASSURE THEM THAT OUR PERSONNEL DIRECTOR WAS A REAL PERSONNEL DIRECTOR.

ONE OF THE WAYS I KNOW THAT IS ANYBODY THAT EVER PUT ME DOWN AS A REFERENCE, NEVER GOT TO .

SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO SAY PERSONALLY, MUST COUNT IF YOU TELL THEM UPFRONT WHAT WE CAN, WE WON'T ROAST.

YOU WOULD JUST TELL IT.

WE'LL TELL THE TRUTH ON ME.

I LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, I THINK I'VE MET A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE IN MY LIFE.

AND, UH, I LIKE TO SAY THAT TO YOU, ONE OF THE MOST PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE IN HIS JOB THAT I'VE EVER RUN ACROSS, AND WHAT'S SO REMARKABLE ABOUT IT IS YOU'VE DONE VERY WELL IN MORE THAN ONE CAREER.

SOME OF US CAN'T EVEN GET ONE, RIGHT.

WE'RE STRUGGLING.

BUT I JUST LIKE TO PERSONALLY SAY, THANK YOU FOR THE JOB YOU'VE DONE.

I'M SURE SOME OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE PUT DOWN AS RECOMMENDED.

I THINK I WAS HERE WHEN BILL FIRST CAME ABOARD AND, UH, UH, WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT WHEN HE STARTED OUT AND HE'S WRITTEN ONE TOGETHER AND RAN IT VERY EFFICIENTLY.

AND I APPRECIATE THE JOB YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY.

YEAH, BILL.

I WAS HERE ALSO WHEN YOU GOT HERE AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK NOW WE RESPONSIBLE FOR US EVEN HAVING A PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE I REMEMBER AT THE TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE A PERCENT OF THE BUTTON.

I RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY, UM, HAVE A PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO, UM, BRING OUR EMPLOYEES INTO THE 21ST CENTURY.

AND BILL, YOU HAVE DONE THAT AND I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THE JOB YOU'VE DONE.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE GOVERNING BOARD THAT WE, UH, MAYBE PERHAPS ALL OF US CONTRIBUTE TO HAVING A PLAQUE PRESENTED TO, UH, MR. KYLE WAS, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T COST THAT MUCH FROM OUR AWARD FUND, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE HIM SOME TYPE OF MEMORABILIA TO REMEMBER US AND TO LET HIM KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE, UH, EVERYTHING HE'S DONE FOR THE CITY.

THE L I R A FIRST, LET ME THANK ROB REINER FOR SPEAKING FOR ME.

UM, POLITICIANS.

YEAH.

UH, FIRST BUSINESS.

I MEAN, THANK YOU FOR, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THE PERSON, THAT DEPARTMENT WAS WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MAKING IT PROFESSIONAL AND MOST IMPORTANT.

KEEPING THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH ABREAST OF WHAT WAS NEEDED FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOB IN TERMS OF JUST THEM BEING PREPARED, INSURANCE, TO WORK WITH COMPENSATION, EVERYTHING.

WE JUST THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND WE'VE COME A LONG WAYS.

UH, FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS FOR EIGHT YEARS, PRETTY FAST, BUT YOU KNOW, EIGHT YEARS AND, UH, WE'VE COME A LONG WAYS.

AND I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY MOVE YOU THREE DIFFERENT OFFICES.

THEN TWICE MOVIE, TWICE, EACH TIME IT GOT BETTER.

RIGHT.

OKAY, GOOD.

BUT THANK YOU, BILL.

THANK YOU.

I GUESS I NEED TO STAY SINCE THE GUYS ARE TAKING ALL THE CREDIT OR BRINGING IT HERE, I THINK ENCOURAGING THEM TO BRING YOU HERE.

I MEAN, IT WAS A PLEASURE HAVING YOU TO WORK FOR US.

I'M VERY PROUD, ESPECIALLY THE FACT THAT YOU'RE MARRIED TO MY COUSIN.

THEY SAY BEHIND EVERY MAN .

AND SO NOW YOU HAVE MORE TIME TO DEVOTE TO YOUR FAMILY AND TO COME BY AND LET ME FIX YOU GRADED POTATO PUDDING.

I KIND OF LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL TESSIE OUT.

THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A LOT OF PROGRESS.

YOU KNOW, HUMAN RELATIONS DEPARTMENT.

IT STARTED OFF AS A PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT AND WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE.

AND WE HOPE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN STEP IN THOSE GREAT BEACH BILL.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I WAS NOT HERE WHEN YOU WERE HIRED.

SO WHEN I CAME BACK ON THE BOARD, AFTER AN ABSENCE OF FOUR YEARS, IT WAS UP UP TO YOU TO PROVE YOURSELF TO ME IN MY MIND, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAD DONE.

SO I KEPT AN EYE ON WHAT THE DEPARTMENT WAS DOING.

AND I SAW A DEPARTMENT THAT WAS RUNNING A FAIR AND EQUITABLE MANNER WHERE PEOPLE OF ANY RACE HAD AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR A JOB, WHICH THEY WERE QUALIFIED.

UH, I WANTED

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TO SEE RESULTS WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD.

AND I SAW THAT, UM, THE OTHER ALDERMAN CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT A NICE GUY ARE AND HOW PROUD THEY ARE THAT THEY HAD PART IN HIRING YOU.

BUT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THINGS HAPPENED IN THAT DEPARTMENT WHILE YOU'VE BEEN THERE, LIKE ACTION THAT HAS SAVED US AS MUCH AS A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN WORKMAN'S COMPENSATION.

NOW THAT MEANS SOMETHING WHEN YOU CAN TALK TO THE PEOPLE OF NEWBURN AND SAY, THIS MAN EFFORTS HAVE LED TO SAVINGS OF THAT TYPE OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS.

NOW YOU'RE TALKING STRAIGHT, YOU'RE TALKING BUSINESS, YOU'RE TALKING MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS, TAX SAVINGS.

AND FOR THAT, I THANK YOU.

UH, I'LL EVEN OVERLOOK THE FACT THAT YOU'RE A PERCUSSIONIST, A DRUMMER, ONE DRUMMER TO ANOTHER.

BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE THAT THE PUBLIC WILL NEVER REALIZE THEY WILL NOW KNOW THAT ONE FACT, BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHER FACTS THAT JUST, THEY WILL NEVER KNOW THE, UH, THE, THE LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE TO IMPROVE THE LOT OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

AND NOT ONLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES OF THIS EVENING, BUT FOR THE TAXPAYERS OR THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

AND I HOPE YOU ENJOY A LONG AND RESTFUL RETIREMENT.

MY TURN, I'M USUALLY FIRST IN THE ROTATION, BUT I'LL BE LAST THIS TIME.

I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I CAN'T TAKE ANY CREDIT FOR HIRING YOU BECAUSE I'M A JUNIOR ALDERMAN ONLY BEEN HERE A SHORT WHILE, BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME ADVICE FOR YOUR NEW CAREER IN RETIREMENT.

DON'T CUT THE GRASS BEFORE NINE O'CLOCK AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL ENJOY DOING STARTING THE DAY AFTER YOU'RE RETIRED, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT, YOU'RE A MAN OF DOING THINGS AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KEEP ON DOING THAT BECAUSE IT KEEPS YOU GETTING YOUNGER AND WE WISH YOU THE BEST.

AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET TO SEE YOU AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU MADE A BIG, UH, REFLECTION ON THIS CITY.

AND WE WANT TO KEEP YOU IN OUR THOUGHTS.

AND WE WANT TO UNANIMOUSLY GET YOU THAT PLAQUE THAT THE ALDERMAN ARE TALKING ABOUT.

CONGRATULATIONS AND GODSPEED.

OKAY.

I WILL CERTAINLY TAKE YOUR ADVICE.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I SAID, THIS IS THE END OF MY SECOND CAREER.

I FEEL LIKE I'M ONE OF THE MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, TWO CAREERS THAT I KNOW THE LAW, I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK THE CITY MANAGER, THE MAYOR, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, ALL OF THE SUPPORT THAT I RECEIVED HERE, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT SUPPORT, WE COULD NOT HAVE HAD SUCCESS.

WHEN , I WANT TO TELL YOU IF THAT PERSONNEL IN THE STATE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE STATE.

AND AGAIN, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

ONE MORE THING BEFORE YOU LEAVE.

YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T LIKE PEOPLE TO LEAVE US BEFORE YOU GO.

WE WANT TO GIVE YOU ONE LAST, UH, COMMAND AND LET YOU KNOW THAT YOUR FIRE CONSIDERING DURING THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR SIZE AND HIS SIZE.

I WALKED SOFTLY SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET SOMETHING TO AN ORDINANCE WHERE WE CAN OVERRULE ATTORNEY REYNA YOU KNOW, ALL THIS FUN AND STILL GETTING THOSE BIG MAYO, BUT

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OH, MARCY.

LASTLY, THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSED BUFFER REQUIREMENTS BY THE DIVISION OF COASTAL MANAGEMENT.

NOW THERE ARE THERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE A LAUGH A MINUTE.

HI, I'M KATHY BENSON.

I'M THE DIVISION OF COASTAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PLANNER, AND WE'RE HIT CITY.

AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT.

AND I'M REALLY PLEASED TO SEE ALL THE REPRESENTATIVES OF SOME OF THE OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN THE CAMP GOLF.

SO COME TONIGHT.

I HOPE TO HEAR, USUALLY WHEN I STAND BEFORE A BOARD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE PLANNING OR, OR OTHER LAND USE PROJECTS, OR ABOUT WATERFRONT ACCESS, SUCH AS YOUR POINT PARK PROJECT, WHICH THE CITY AND THE DIVISION OF COASTAL MANAGEMENT HAVE WORKED.

YOU WANT ME TO GET US FOR MANY YEARS NOW DEVELOPING IT.

IT REALLY IS A NICE FACILITY.

WE'RE VERY PROUD OF IT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, THOUGH.

WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSED, UH, ASPIRIN SHORELINE ROLE TO AT THE COASTAL RESOURCES COMMISSION OR THE CRC IS LOOKING AT THESE RULES HAVE NOT BEEN FINALIZED.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADOPTED.

THEY'RE NOT IN THEIR FINAL FORM.

THEY'RE A WORK IN PROGRESS.

THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES LEFT FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO HAVE AN INPUT INTO THE FORMAL.

WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THE COASTAL RESOURCES COMMISSION IS HEADED AND GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW YOU CAN PARTICIPATE.

HERE IS OUR DISTRICT MANAGERS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING A PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

THERE WILL BE A BRIEF SLIDE SHOW, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR A FEW QUESTIONS.

HE'S ALSO GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE A SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE COASTAL RESOURCES COMMISSION IS MEETING AGAIN IN KILL DEVIL HILLS ON JANUARY 28, 29, AND THIS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.

AND CERTAINLY EVERYONE HERE IS WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE.

SO I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO PAY IT.

SO WE DON'T KEEP YOU TOO LONG TONIGHT INSIDE HERE, DO THAT.

, UH, THEY BEEN IN WORK FOR A YEAR.

UH THAT, UH, THERE ARE BIRDS DOWN THERE THAT, UH, UH AND THE NOT ALL PEOPLE GET A COPY OF THE OUTLINE, THE CRC, UH, UH, PROTECTIVE INITIATIVE.

AND TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTIONS TO BE HEARD BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED THE ROOM AND THE ROLE OF THE MANAGER CREATED.

IT MENTIONED, HAD THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE THE STAFF, THE CRC DIRECTOR RULE.

DON'T GET HER TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A DAY OR FEELING BAD TODAY.

LIKE I SAID, UH, THEY THINK, YOU KNOW, HOW THESE RULES CAME ABOUT.

MANY OF YOU REMEMBER THAT THE COACH WAS FUTURES COMMITTEE.

UH, THE BLUE PANEL HAS BEEN IN 1994, LOOKING AT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM, UH, OVER THE FIRST 20 YEARS, A DIVISION.

ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THE COMMITTEE EXAMINED WAS , UH, THERE WAS A 20, THE PREGNANT RUN, THE NUMBER OF RACING YEARS, AS WE ALL KNOW, WE'VE SEEN SIGNS OF STRESS IN OUR COASTAL WATERS, UH, OUR FISH KILLED, UH, .

UH, ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN INCREASING OVER TIME BECAUSE OF FUTURES

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COMMITTEE RULES ARE NOT ADD WITH DETECTIVE WORK AND RECOMMENDED THE MISSION EXPANSION THROUGH THE CRC HAS BEEN CAUGHT UP ON THE, UH, MEDIA RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND LAST YEAR BEGAN REVIEWING THE S3 AND SHORELINE FELLOWS AND HAVE DETERMINED WHAT CHANGES WERE NEEDED AS FAR OF THE REDEEMED COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE HEARD PRESENTATIONS KNOWING THEM.

I KNOW OUR SCIENTIFIC STUDIES TO HAVE A CLEAR LINK BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF THAT ALSO HEARD OF COURSE, FROM THE BENEFITS OF BUFFERS OF LIMITS ON VARIOUS SERVICES AND AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD BEFORE THESE BENEFITS INCLUDE EFFECTIVE, WORTHWHILE AND HABITAT.

AND SLOWLY IN ADDITION, THE CRC OR THE REGULATIONS OF OTHER AGENCIES, THE NORTH CAROLINA, , MARYLAND, AND VIRGINIA, THE COMMISSION CONCLUDED THAT THE CURRENT RULES NEED TO CHANGE IF THEY AREN'T DOING A GOOD JOB AT THAT.

SO THE CRC ASKED THE STAFF TO START RAPPING.

THAT'S WHERE WE WORK, THAT CRC THAT'D BE REVIEWING THESE BACK PAINS IN COMMITTEE, AND THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON GETTING THE COMMISSION FOR THE CHANGE THIS YEAR, THE ROOMS WITH ALL THE 2008, THE PROPOSED CHANGE COVER FOUR AREAS YOU SEE HERE, UH, ABCS, THE PERMIT AREA EXPANSION, UH, INVOLVED AND SHORELINE STABILIZATION.

LET'S FIRST TALK ABOUT THE PERMIT AREA OR WITHIN THE COMMUNITY COUNTIES, COASTAL RESOURCES COMMISSION REGULATES DEVELOP NOT ONLY A CRITICAL RESOURCE AREAS AREAS OR AND AGENCY IS NOT A BIT OF A SETBACK.

HOWEVER, UH, RIGHT NOW DAC DESIGNATE THE LANDLORD AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE AC, UH, , UH, THE AAC AND BOTTLING CITY BORDER, UM, IN THE PRIVACY TO TALK ABOUT, ABOUT SHORELINE.

IT STOPPED WHEN YOU REACHED THE DIVIDE BETWEEN THE MARINE FISHERIES AND THE WILD ROOTS, OR GETTING IN WATER UPSTREAM OF THAT LINE.

THE ZERO CITY REGULATES WALK IS BILLING THE MORE BUT NOT ON SHORE IN THAT AREA.

OTHER LIGHT AT THAT TOP OF THE , WE'RE GOING TO LOSE A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTION.

AND WE OFTEN DO HAVE TO CHANGE THAT I'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, MARSHA BEER AND REBELLIOUS PROBLEMS IN THE HILL MAINTAIN WORK-WISE HARRY WORKS TO DEAL WITH THE COMMISSIONERS IS PROPOSING TO EXPAND AC IN TO DIRECT, UH, UPSTREAM AND LANDLORD.

THE COMMISSION ISN'T SUPPOSED TO GO, PARENTS ARE, BUT THE CRC DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO EXPAND THE PRELIMINARY IN THE 23RD.

THE , UH, AND IS AN APPLE AND , AND THAT WOULD INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THE AGE TO EARLY TO 75 FEET.

NOW I'LL HELP CUSTOMERS THAT DON'T PASS BEST EFFECTIVE ALLOW AFTER IN A RESOURCE BORDERS, THE IN ADDITION TO COC IS PROPOSING

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AND ALL OTHER ORDERS.

THEY EXPECT PROTECTION.

AND THIS IS THE FINAL YEAR PERIOD.

AND THE AT THAT ICRC COMMITTEE MAY CONSIDER DROPPING THE NUTRIENTS , UH, MAYBE WE'LL DISCUSS IT.

THAT TO ME IS, UH, BEING DISCUSSED.

AND AGAIN, IF YOUR PROPERTY IS NOT IN ONE OF THESE, THE THIS EXPANDED AREA OF CONCERN WOULD INCLUDE, UH, THE , THE WOULD BE DRAWN.

SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO ME? WELL, IF YOUR PROPERTY IS IN EXPANDED AGENCY, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT TO DEAL WITH ANY TECHNOLOGY DEVELOP A .

MOST OF THE PERMITS REQUIRED TO BE MONITORED.

PERMITS WERE INFECTED WITH .

WE REALIZED THAT THE MAIN ANCHOR AMPLE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN PORTLAND , I'M NOT ANSWERING OUR SURVEY, UH, AS TO WHY THERE'S A RESOURCES, DAVID, THE COMMISSION MAKES THESE RULES, UH, BASICALLY THESE LITTLE THINGS, WE USE A AND WE'LL ACT OUT ABOUT STANDARDS, UH, STARTING WITH THE MEDITATING, THE , UH, THESE METALS, PESTICIDE BACTERIA, ET CETERA, UH, UPPER SCALE REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF AUDITORS.

THEY ALSO HAVEN'T BEEN ROSY AND MODERATE MUDDY, AND WILDLIFE HABITAT.

DESPITE ALL THOSE BENEFITS, THE CRC CURRENT REQUIREMENTS OFFER ONLY ADJACENT TO .

THE CRC IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT IS REQUIRED.

UM, THERE WILL BE ALLOWED IN THE BOTTLE AND THE FIRST DOC IN THE LAST 25, THE DISTRIBUTE 200 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, SUCH AS JANSSEN AND DOCK, THAT YOU CAN ALSO BRING THE AND THE ROOM NOW THAT YOU LIMITED GRANDPA RELATED, WE'LL PROBABLY PLANTED BY THURSDAY, THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO FEEL AND GET THE BOTTLE.

IF YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DEAL WITH A LOT.

I LIKE NOW TO TURN TO THE AREA ALSO RESEARCH OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS IS THAT AS STRONGLY BETWEEN THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WATER QUALITY AND THE AMOUNT OF INCREASES OR DECREASES OR DECLINED.

SO THE FOURTH, WHEREVER THE ROOFTOP, DRIVEWAY, SIDEWALKS, AND ROADS, WE HAVE, THE MORE WE PUT OUR WORK AREAS.

ONE EXAMPLE WAS THE INCREASE IN IS THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CONDITIONS, SHELLFISH FRUIT.

THESE ARE AREAS THAT HAVE ADDITIONALLY IMPROVED, UH, OUR TEMPORARY FLOOD AFTER THE ONE HAD ONE, A CALL, ONE OF THE RUNOFF THE CRC IS CONSIDERING CHANGING CHANGE IN THE LEGS, ON THE IMPERVIOUS SERVICE RIGHT NOW, IF YOUR PROPERTY IS IN THE CURRENT SME, SHORELINE ADC, YOU CAN TELL IT 30% OF YOUR OFF.

YOU CAN COME BOARD.

IF YOU STOPPED CERTAIN SOLAR

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SYSTEMS SUCH AS GRAND SWELL DRIVEWAY, OR IF YOU'RE A BORN AN AFRICAN IN THE RESOURCE WATER, YOU CURRENTLY BETTER INSTEAD OF THIRD FOR THE NEW COASTAL SHORELINE AGENCY, WHICH INCLUDES ALL PUBLIC DROUGHT, WATER, THE CONDITION CONSIDERING SAYING YOU MEANT THOSE THINGS WOULD BE 15% ALONG, PUBLIC TRUST, WATER, OR UP TO 25% WITH AN ENGINEER APPROVED FORWARD AND 12% ALONG THE EXPECTED PROTECTION, THE OTHER WORD, AND THE PRIOR, AND YOU FIX IT AGAIN.

IF YOU USE THE SYSTEM, YOU COULD BE ALLOWED TO .

IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE PARTY IN DAC , THE CRC IS DISCUSSING GRANT AND HAS NOT COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT AS YOU, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IT'S A VERY COMPLEX AND VERY CRITICAL FOR THE POOL GOING FORWARD.

UH, CRC CAN BE, WE DISCUSSED , UH, 28 JANUARY.

THE COMMISSION ALSO IS ADDRESSING REGIONS AND AREAS LIKE DEVER, UH, AS EXPECTED TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE AS THE DIVISION, BECAUSE IS WORKING WITH THE CRC REDEVELOPMENT ORDINARY.

AFTER LOOKING AT THIS VERBAL , UH, THEY CAME ON CALL JUST LIKE ARMSTRONG THE PROPERTY.

UH, THEY OFFERED THE DAMAGE.

WE'VE PERMITTED A LOT OF OPIATES OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

IN FACT, STRAIGHT FROM RODAN MANIA, THE CRC HAS DECIDED TO DETAIN AT THIS POINT.

I THINK IT'S CRITICAL, UH, STATING THAT THE COMMISSION IS NOT PLANNING ON OR MAN.

OKAY.

UM, BUT THE CRC IS LOOKING AT VETERANS WHO WANT TO STABILIZATION.

UH, IN OTHER WORDS, THE TITLE SIDE OF THIS PLANNER WILL BE ALLOWED TO USE FOR VERY, UH, SITE-SPECIFIC CONDITIONS RIGHT DOWN TO CRC RULES REQUIRE THAT INSTEAD OF PURPOSES, SEA WALLS WERE OFTEN THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD FREEZE OR LET'S HEAR SYSTEM ENERGY IS LOVE WHERE THEY'RE ALL VIABLE.

YOU'D HAVE TO USE PLANTS TO STABILIZE A BIT IN THE STORE WHERE YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS.

IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT, THAT, AND SAW THE EARLY FALL ACCOMMODATED VEGETATION INSPECTORS COULD BE ALLOWED, THOSE DRESSES COULD INCLUDE YEAH.

THE COMBINATION ONE WORD USE A WOULD IT BE ALLOWED? VERBAL LOGIN WILL BE AN AVID PROPERTY OWNER.

CAN'T SHED THAT OTHER MEDICINE WON'T SOLVE THE EROSION PROBLEM SO THAT THE TEARS, UH, PLANTS COMBINATION OF BANKS, INSTRUCTORS, ONE THING THE COMMISSION DISCOVERED IT WAS LOOKING AT WAS IT THE RULES? AND , , THERE'S A DOMINATED EASIER FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO INSTALL, RIP, RAP, PROTECT, UH, YOU READY TO SEE ALL THE CRC ALSO THIS OUTBREAK WE'RE USING IN FRONT OF ALL THAT , UH, THE JOURNAL FORMAT CHANGES HERE, UH, FOR THIS MONTH.

UH, AND THAT BEER IS DARK AT FOUR O'CLOCK ON THE 28TH , UH, THESE PROPOSALS ARE NOT FINE.

UH, COMMISSIONS, YOU DON'T WORK ON THEY'RE CHANGING AND EVOLVING EVERY DAY.

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POSED THIS YEAR.

THE CHANGE COULD BENEFIT, UH, TO BECOME FACEBOOK HOGS AS EARLY AS NOW.

DID YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR ROOM? THE COMMISSION PROTECTED POSSIBILITIES THAT WE WEREN'T HERE? UH, WE GOT PERMISSION TO MEMBERS AND GO FOR RESOURCES TO THE VIABLE , BUT ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE AND THE TRY TO BE SPECIFIC IN YOUR COMMENTS, UH, THIS , UH, IMPLEMENT THE CRC.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THESE GOALS ANYTIME 28, 29 AT VERMONT.

UH UH, HE MAY BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING YOURSELF, UH, SEE FIRSTHAND HOW INTUITION IS INFINITELY.

UH UH, MY NUMBER IS .

WE'RE AT THE INTERSECTION OF 74 WITH WELCOME TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THESE.

UH, LIKE I SAID, AT THE, PROBABLY A WEEK BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETING, THE FINAL PROPERTIES BATHROOM WILL BE AVAILABLE.

UH, IF YOU GIVE ME A CALL, YOU GET THOSE COPIES VIDEOS THAT WILL HAVE THE LANES.

YOU CAN ALSO CALL IN OUR RALEIGH OFFICE AND HE DID 9 1 9 7 3 3 2 2 9 3.

AND GIVE HIM YOUR INPUT AS WELL.

I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHERE THE DIVISION IS GOING WITH THESE ROLES.

AND YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ONE QUESTION.

THESE RULES WILL APPLY ONLY TO THE COUNTIES THAT COME UNDER THE COASTAL AREA MANAGEMENT ACT.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND HOW MANY COUNTIES IS THAT? THAT'S 20.

SO NOW I UNDERSTAND I, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM UNTIL YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE JOB DONE.

I REMEMBER MANY YEARS AGO, WHEN I SAW THE FIRST SATELLITE PHOTOS OF NORTH COUNTY EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA SHOT FROM A, FROM A SPACE, A SATELLITE, IT WAS ONLY PICTURE, IT WAS ON THE COVER OF THE TELEPHONE DIRECTORY AND THREE THINGS AMAZED ME ABOUT IT.

NUMBER ONE, YOU COULD SPOT THE LEAGUE, MADAME WHISKEY VERY WELL.

YOU COULD SEE THE LANDING ZONES AT FORT BRAGG, WHERE I SPENT MORE YEARS THAN I LIKED TO RECALL.

AND THE OTHER WAS THE FAN SHAPED SMUDGES OF MUD RUNNING FROM THE RIVERS INTO THE PAMLICO SOUND AND THROUGH OREGON AND LIVE INTO THE OCEAN.

IT DIDN'T ORIGINATE ALL IN THOSE 20 COUNTIES.

YOU COULD PUT ANY RULE INTO EFFECT.

YOU WALKED TO FOUR 20 COUNTIES.

IT'S NOT GOING TO DO THE JOB.

THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT HAPPENING ONLY IN 20 COUNTIES.

YOU'RE LETTING 80% OF THE COUNTIES.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE LANDMASS THAT IS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION THAT IS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS.

THE ONLY FIGURE I HAVE IS THAT IT'S 80% OF THE LAND.

MASS IS TOTALLY OUTSIDE AND YOU CAN GO BEYOND THESE 20 COUNTIES AND THE RIVERS ARE MUDDY.

IT'S ALREADY THERE.

I GREW UP IN THE NORTH CAROLINA MOUNTAINS AND THE WATER WAS CLEAN AND THE ROCKS WERE CLEAR.

AND I GO BACK NOW AND I'LL GIVE YOU ONE SPECIFIC LOCATION.

IF YOU WERE EVER THERE, YOU CAN, IT MAY STRIKE YOUR MIND.

WALKING ACROSS THE FOOT BRIDGE TO LINVILLE FALLS, TO WALK UP TO LIMBO FALLS.

THOSE ROCKS ARE SOLID COVERED WITH SILT.

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THEY WEREN'T.

WHEN I WAS A CHILD, IT'S COMING OUR WAY.

AND UNTIL THEY, UNTIL THEY QUIT SINGLING OUT 20 COUNTIES AND SAYING, THESE RULES ONLY APPLY TO YOU, THE PROBLEM WILL NOT BE SOLVED.

IT WILL NOT.

IT CAN'T BE.

THERE IS.

THERE HAS GOT TO ME BE MORE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON AROUND THE CHARLOTTE RALEIGH AND DURHAM THAN THE AREAS DOWN HERE.

AND IF THERE'S 50% MORE OR 20% MORE THEY'RE DUMPING 20% OR 50% MORE REFUSE DIRT EITHER ACCIDENTALLY OR ON PURPOSE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT WATCHING THEM CLOSE ENOUGH, MAYBE.

AND IT COMES DOWN TO US.

AND NOW WE SEE RULES THAT SAY, WHOA, BABIES, YOU GOT TO BACK UP AND GO TO ALL THESE VERY STRICT RULES THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY.

IT'S YOUR PROBLEM.

THEY'RE MAKING OUR PROBLEM.

IS THERE ANY OTHER WORDS YOU CAN USE TO DESCRIBE THE REASON FOR THAT THEN POWER POLITICS? WELL, IF I CAN MAKE ONE COMMENT, OUR COMMISSION DOES RECOGNIZE THEIR LIMITATIONS.

UH, THEY DO ONLY THERE AT THIS TIME BY LAW TO REGULATE WITHOUT PANIC.

ONE THING I THINK YOU WILL SEE OUT OF THIS ENTIRE RULE AND THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING BACK FROM THE PUBLIC IS THERE IS A DIVISION WORK, BODY VISION, THE RESOURCES OUT THERE.

I THINK YOU'LL SEE MORE POCKET, UH, WORK TOGETHER BETTER WITH IS .

WHEN, WHAT, HOW LONG HAS, HOW LONG HAVE THESE 20 COUNTY'S BEEN SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE OTHER 80 PROVISION, BUT HOW MANY YEARS? SINCE 1978, HE SAYS 74, YOU SAY 78.

OKAY.

SINCE 19 74, 20 COUNTIES HAVE HAD TO ABIDE BY A FAR MORE STRINGENT RULES THAN THE OTHER COUNTIES.

I DON'T BLAME THEM DEVELOPERS FOR STRETCHING THE RULES AND THEY ARE STRETCHING THE RULES AND WE ARE HAVING TO PAY THE COSTS BOTH IN DETRIMENT TO OUR ENVIRONMENT AND TO A POCKET BOOKS.

THE FISHERMEN ARE HURTING THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE MUDDY RIVERS, WHICH DIDN'T USE TO BE MUDDY.

AND AREN'T GETTING MUDDY A MILE UP THE RIVER.

THEY'RE GETTING MUDDY IN DURHAM.

IS THERE ANY EFFORT GOING ON NOW TO DO THIS, OR IS IT JUST AS VAGUE THERE? YOU'LL SEE MORE COOPERATION BETWEEN THEM.

I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU CONTACT, UH, YOU WANT TO SAY, HEY, I WANT TO SEE THE SAME RULES APPLY TO EVERYBODY AT ONE TIME.

IT WAS NOW THAT ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN THE MOUNTAINS, THAT DIDN'T NEVER, THAT NEVER GOT OFF THE GROUND.

CAN YOU GIVE ME ANY REASON THAT SHOULD NOT APPLY TO ALL A HUNDRED COUNTIES AND I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU? I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO SHOOT THE PIANO PLAYER.

I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

YOU'RE JUST BRINGING THE MESSAGE, BUT IT'S POLITICS.

IT'S POWER POLITICS.

YOU CAN'T BEAT THE POWER THAT IS REPRESENTED BY THE PIEDMONT OF NORTH CAROLINA.

THAT'S WHERE THE INDUSTRY IS DIRECTED.

THAT'S WHERE THE BIG HIGHWAY DOLLARS GO.

AND THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE NOT CHOSEN TO ENFORCE THE RULES SO THAT WE DON'T GET, WE'RE NOT AT THE END OF A PIPELINE THAT IS FULL OF SEWAGE AND CHEMICALS AND RUN OFF FROM CONSTRUCTION SITES.

AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT.

IT WILL HELP.

AND I I'M.

I'M ON THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, ENVIRONMENT, ENERGY AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE.

WE KNOW WHAT'S BEING DONE IN NORTH CAROLINA.

WE HAVE BOOKS ON WHAT'S BEING DONE IN NORTH CAROLINA.

NORTH CAROLINA IS DUMPING THE LOAD ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE STATE.

AND THEY'RE LETTING THE PIEDMONT GET BY WITH MURDER.

THEY'RE KILLING OUR ENVIRONMENT, THEY'RE KILLING OUR FISH.

AND IF YOU DID ALL THIS, IF YOU DID ALL THIS, IT WOULD IMPROVE.

WELL, IT WOULD IMPROVE IT, IMPROVE IT.

WHAT

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20%, IF THAT MUCH, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT TAKING PLACE HERE.

IT'S TAKING PLACE BASICALLY IN THE PIEDMONT.

NOW I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HERE, BUT THERE'S MORE IN THE PIEDMONT.

I KNOW I STILL HAVE A LOT OF RELATIVES.

THERE I GO VISIT.

I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

FIBRILLATE AND HIGHWAYS EVERYWHERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO GROW INTO CORN ANYMORE.

THERE'S NOTHING BUT FALL AWAY HIGHWAYS UP THERE FOR A FOUR LANE HIGHWAYS.

AND THAT RUNOFF IS COMING TO US.

AND THEY'RE SAYING, OOH, WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE TERRIBLE 20 COUNTIES DOWN IN THE EAST.

WE'VE GOT TO STRAIGHTEN THEM UP AND MAKE SOME MORE STRINGENT RULES AND NOT LET THE DEVELOPERS DOWN THERE.

DO THIS, NOT LET THEM DO THAT, BUT TO LET THEM DO IT IN OTHER COUNTIES, ONE COUNTY OVER FROM THESE COUNTIES, THEY CAN VIOLATE THIS RULE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM.

THAT'S CRIMINAL.

I MAY ASK YOU A QUESTION WHERE IN OUR IMMEDIATE AREA WOULD WE HAVE ON SITE, LET'S JUST TAKE WORST CASE AT 575 FOOT AREA, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN.

WHERE WOULD YOU HEAR THAT FROM THIS SPOT? WHAT WOULD BE THE CLOSEST ONE? YOU KNOW, PHYSICALLY QUITE STRAIGHT OFF, UH, UH, 575 FEET.

LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

BUT LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

WHEN I SEE A NUMBER LIKE 575, IT'S USUALLY SOMEONE IMPLIED, IF NOTHING ELSE, OR INFERRED, I GUESS YOU'D SAY THAT THAT WAS A, AT LEAST A PSEUDO SCIENTIFIC NUMBER BECAUSE IT WASN'T 600 AND HE WASN'T 500.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN HE WENT FROM 75 TO 575 OR 76.

WHY NOT? 670.

THIS IS THE OUTSTANDING REASON, UH, THIS AT THIS TIME BUT WHO, WHO, WHO, AND THEN WHEN YOU SAY IN THIS COMMISSION, WHAT IS THIS COMMISSION COMPRISED OF SCIENTIST, OR IT'S A WHOLE RANGE OF IT'S MADE UP OF A CROSS SECTION OF SOCIETY.

THERE ARE TIMES IT'S ON THERE AND THERE ARE OTHER GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, POLITICAL APPOINTEES AGAIN, BUT WHEN SOMETHING GOES FROM 75 FEET TO 575 FEET, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HUGE JUMP, WILLY, WILLY, HE JAM PACKED, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS CHANGE IN THAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, WE MUST BE EXPECTING A HUGE SWING POINT.

EXAMPLES FROM COMMENTS ABOUT THE BULKHEADS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE I LIVE, IT WAS A BULKHEAD AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PUT THERE UNDER THE CAMEL BUSINESS AND ALL THIS TO 75 FEET OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN.

GOD KNEW PAUL'S AND HANNAH, I THINK MY BULKHEAD, UH, PREVENTS RUNOFF IN MY BULLHEAD.

AND YOU TELL HIM ABOUT PLACES, BUT A LITTLE FISH TO GROW AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.

THAT'S WHAT THAT LITTLE GRASS IS RIGHT NEAR TO SHOW UP, COME OUT AND, AND LOOK AT IT AND SWIM AND ALL OVER THE PLACE.

HE CAN MILLIONS OF THEM.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS LIKE SLOAN BOWL HAS MADE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY AS WE CALL THEM IN SALESMANSHIP WEASEL WORDS, ONE MIGHT SAY UNTIL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY MOST ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING.

AND IT JUST CONCERNS ME WHEN I SEE WORDS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE NON-SPECIFIC MIXED IN WITH, WITH NUMBERS THAT ARE PRETTY SPECIFIC, LIKE 500 S S BAYLESS B A Y THE BIG HEAD.

IT LOOKS LIKE A PUCK JUST IN CASE YOU TRY AND RECALL IT, THAT LITTLE DIG, BUT ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IT, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO DO A JOB.

NOBODY IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WATERS IN THE RIVER THAN THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE.

WHETHER WE WERE BORN HERE, CAME HERE, WHATEVER WE CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CANNOT FIX ANYTHING UNTIL YOU DETERMINED NOT TO IS BROKEN.

IT'S BROKEN, BUT, BUT, BUT THE SCIENTIFIC WAY DID YOU DO IT? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT BOTHER ME IS TO GO THROUGH SATURDAY FIVE, OH GOD, 5 75.

WELL, I MEAN, WELL, THE NEXT AND BE THE SAME ORDER OF MAGNITUDE BY A THOUSAND WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THAT'S WHY IT HAS COME BACK TO 200 TO THREE AREAS.

AND IN THIS CASE, WATER IS REMOVED

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FROM THE CATEGORY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHILE THEY LIVE IN THE MEETING.

AND AT THE END OF THE MONTH, FIVE .

AND HOW CAN A REASONABLE WATER, UH, IN THIS AREA WITHOUT, UM, I THINK ALL OF THEM IN ROUNDS, IT WOULD BE SEVEN TO 200, BUT YOU HAVE THE NUTRIENTS AT THE BORDER.

IT IS, I BELIEVE IN 275.

IT'S STILL A BIG, BIG, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION.

OH, FOR FIXING THE ROAD.

LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION.

DIDN'T YOU SAY IT WOULD MAKE ME WEAR KILLED LEVEL HILL.

DOES ANY OF THIS? I KNOW THEY'RE IN THE 20 COUNTIES, BUT WILL THIS AFFECT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA? KILLED APPLE HILL ON THE BACKSIDE.

YEAH.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU GET THOSE FOLKS DOWN HERE SOMETIMES, UH, I JUST HAD TO TAKE THEM WHAT I'M SAYING.

HE HAS TO NOT INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER ON A MAP SOMEWHERE AND A DEFINITION AND THIS AND THAT PHYSICALLY BE ABLE TO TAKE THEM AND SAY, NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

DID YOU SEE THIS PIECE OF WATER RIGHT HERE GOING 575 FEET THAT AWAY, I LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND WHAT THE EFFECT IS AND GET A FEEL FOR IT.

AND AGAIN, IF IT ALL MAKES GOOD SENSE AND SO FORTH, UH, PEOPLE WOULD OPPOSE IT, BUT IT'S GOT MY GASOLINE, JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE REQUIREMENT AND IT MAKES GOOD SENSE.

SOMETIMES THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD OBSTACLE.

SO THE REASON I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS TIME IS THEY DO ROTATE EVERY TWO MONTHS.

THEY RENOVATED AREAS, UH, THAT TIME THEY WERE UP, UH, NEXT TIME WE'LL PROBABLY BE BACK.

YOU ARE IN IMPORTANT PARENTS.

THAT'LL BE HERE IN MARCH AFTER THEY, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS PRIOR TO THAT.

BUT THEN WE'LL DISCUSS.

YEAH.

JUST TELL THEM, WE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE'RE ALL FOR HELPING THEM DO IT, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE WE IMPOSE, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IS AN IMPOSITION ON PEOPLE THAT WE'RE POSITIVITY DOING THE RIGHT THING.

AND YOU CAN TELL THE PEOPLE IN RALEIGH, WE ARE NOT STUPID JUST BECAUSE WE LIVE IN NORTH CAROLINA.

AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO POINT OF THEM TRYING TO SAY, THEY'RE GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM UNTIL THEY HAVE THE GUTS TO MAKE IT STATE WIDE.

I CAN SEE BEVERLY PURDUE JUST SAYING, OH GOD, NO, NOT AGAIN, BUT I AM.

I AM.

I GET VERY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'VE SAID BEFORE I HAVE, I HAVE WAITED IN THE NEUSE RIVER WHEN I COULD LOOK DOWN AND SEE MY FEET.

AND NOW I WAIT IN THE NEUSE RIVER.

AND I HOPE WHEN I GET OUT MY FEET AND WILL BE THERE, BUT IT DIDN'T START HERE.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

I DIDN'T EVEN, IT DIDN'T START HERE AND YOU CAN'T END IT HERE.

YOU'VE GOT TO START ENDING IT WHERE IT STARTS AND THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE WORKED WITH THEM.

THEY'RE THERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE IS, WELL, I, I THINK THEY SHOULD .

WELL, WHAT MAX WAS SAYING, THOUGH, THAT IT MAY LEAD INTO THAT.

IF THE COMMISSION I'LL MAKE MAKING DO THINGS WITHIN THE 20TH, 28 COUNTIES, 20 COUNTIES, AND AS YOU SAID, YOU AGREED WITH US.

IT REALLY, THAT'S JUST A SMALL PIECE OF THE PIE.

THEY MAY FEEL AT LEAST IF NO OTHER WAY, BUT PSYCHOLOGICALLY, SINCE ALL THEY GOT A HOLD OF IS THE TAIL OF THE ELEPHANT.

THEY GOING TO TWIST IT JUST AS HARD AS THEY CAN BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE BIGGER EFFECT, THE BIGGER THEY CAN DO SINCE THEY'VE GOT JUST A LITTLE PIECE OF IT, AT LEAST INCREMENTALLY THEY'LL HAVE SOME SORT OF EFFECT ON THE RIVER.

SO THEY MAY BE FEELING SOME SORT OF OPPRESSION LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT A BIG JUMP, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL I CAN CONTROL.

BUT I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG BITE OUT OF US.

AND, UH, HE'S RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, ONE DAY WHEN THEY DUMPED DIRT, NO.

WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME CRAM COUNTY OR SOMEWHERE? IT CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN.

I MEAN THE YADKIN RIVER AND, AND THE, UH, OH, WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE.

I SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON THE AFRICAN RIVER WHEN I WAS A KID, THE CATAWBA RIVER THERE, SOLID MUD.

I DON'T SEE HOW ANYTHING CAN LIVE IN THERE.

I KNOW THEIR CAR FROM THE CAT FISH.

I CATCH A FEW OCCASIONALLY, BUT IT'S SOLID MUD.

THE NEUSE RIVER IS IN BETTER SHAPE

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THAN THOSE RIVERS IN SAULSBURY AND ELKAN AND CHARLOTTE AND PLACES LIKE THAT.

SO IF YOU WANT A MESSAGE FROM US, IT'S TO THE PEOPLE IN RALEIGH, GET REAL, MAKE IT STATE WIDE, DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE STATE, MAKE IT STATEWIDE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK UNTIL YOU DO.

AND WE'RE TIRED OF BEING, WE'RE TIRED OF BEING AT THE END OF THE SUPER MAX.

THEY CAUSE HE INDICATED A WHILE AGO, THEY INTRODUCED THE NON-BINARY IT.

AT THE SAME TIME THEY INTRODUCED THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE COASTAL AREA MASTERCLASS LEFT OUT AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE NO, I THINK THEY HAD HAD IT PREPARED FOR THE PIEDMONT TOO.

IT DIDN'T INTRODUCE IT.

AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE GUTS.

THEY KNEW IT WOULD NOT GET PAID.

OH, OF COURSE, OF COURSE IT'S POLITICS, PURE, SIMPLE POLITICS, BIG MONEY POLITICS AND THE PIEDMONT OF NORTH CAROLINA THAT STOPPING IT FROM GOING ANY FURTHER WEST HERE IN THE SAMPLE, I'M NOT RUNNING FOR ANY OFFICE.

I'M JUST TIRED OF HEARING IT.

WHEN I KNOW THAT THIS WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM, IT'LL HELP.

ANYTHING WE DO WILL HELP ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KEEP DIRT MUD WE'LL HELP WHAT IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

AND RALEIGH KNOWS IT, BUT LIKE HOW IT SAYS IT'S POLITICS, IT'S ALL POLITICS.

AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT STUPID.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

AND WE DON'T ENVY YOUR JOB.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? ALL THE PRESENTATIONS I'VE HEARD ABOUT KAMMA AND COASTAL RESOURCES COMMISSION.

I HEAR ALL THIS ALPHABET SOUP OF ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO CLEAN UP OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR RIVERS AND AWAY.

HAS ANYBODY EVER TAKEN A LOOK AT THE MISSION STATEMENTS OF ALL THESE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS AND SEE WHERE THE OVERLAP IS? AND MAYBE IF WE COULD GET RID OF SOME OF THIS OVERLAP, WE COULD GET BACK TO WHO'S RESPONSIBLE WAY UP AT THE TOP.

SO WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY TO TALK TO, TO SAY, HEY, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE UNREALISTIC, ESPECIALLY TO US.

WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHO'S DOING WHAT FOR US INSTEAD OF WHAT TO US, BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY ORGANIZATIONS INVOLVED AND WE KEEP HEARING THIS GROUP IS GOING TO DO THIS, THIS GROUP'S GOING TO DO THIS.

AND WE NEVER GET REALLY RESOLVED BECAUSE WE GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE, TOO MANY COOKS, SPOIL THE BROTH.

LET'S GET SOMEBODY UP TOP TO LOOK AT THESE MISSION STATEMENTS AND DO AWAY WITH THE OVERLAP AND THEN COME OUT WITH A GOOD PRODUCT.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF IS THAT ONE OF THE RESULTS THAT CAME OUT, IT WAS, HEY, YOU COMMITTED NO POP EMC, CRC, BUT HAS IT BEEN DONE? BUT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT UNTIL WHEN I GO BACK TO THE TOP AND COME DOWN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOUR POWER COMES FROM.

AS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HAVE ONE THEM SPEAK AS ONE VOICE, AND THEN MAYBE WE'D BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING.

AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU THINK I'VE BEEN JUMPING ON YOU BECAUSE I HAVE, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE JUST A MESSAGE.

I ALSO, I ALSO APOLOGIZE FOR READING ALL THIS CHOCOLATE, BUT IT WAS ANY FEMALE HERE CAN TELL YOU THIS CHOCOLATE CAN KEEP YOU FROM GOING NUTS.

IN SOME CASES, JUST SAY, WAIT, YOU FOUND THAT THESE COMMISSIONS AND SO FORTH, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT GUNSHOT CALL.

SOMETIMES WE FOUND IT BOARDS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE US GETTING TOGETHER AND THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT COMES UP CLOSE WATCH.

UH WELL, WE APPRECIATE IF I MAY JUST ADD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, UH, CONCERNING THE WATERS TO THE WEST AND NORTH OF US.

I KNOW DANNY AND I ARE CURRENTLY SERVING ON SEPARATE COMMITTEES, DEALING WITH STORMWATER IMPACT ON THE NEWS RIVER AND BUFFALO RULES.

AND THERE WILL BE A REPORT GOING BEFORE THE ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT COMMISSION, PROBABLY EARLY FEBRUARY FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT I'M WORKING ON, DEALING WITH RECOMMENDED BUFFERS AND DEVELOPMENTS STANDARDS ALONG THE ENTIRE NEUSE RIVER BASIN.

SO WORK IS DONE IN THOSE AREAS TO TRY TO GET AT, UH, WHERE MUCH OF IT IS COMING FROM.

UH, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF WORK THERE, BUT, BUT SOMETHING IS BEING DONE ON THIS ISSUES.

IT WON'T BE 575 FEET.

I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT.

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OH YEAH, THEY'RE TALKING 50 AND THEY HAVE SOME SCIENCE FOR THAT.

WELL, WE, WE APPRECIATE THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE GOT HERE.

THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE REQUEST AND PETITION OF CITIZENS.

SO IF WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO COME FORTH AND TELL US, WANT TO A JOB WE'RE DOING, IT WOULD BE A FOREST, BUT WE WILL LISTEN TO, OH NO, THAT'S FINE.

I HAD MY CHANCE.

NO, EVEN MR. HARPER, IF YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD AND SAY A FEW WORDS, WAIT, ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE, HERE FOR JUST A REGULAR PETITION OF CITIZENS OR WHATEVER, IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON.

OKAY.

WE'LL MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HERE TO CONSIDER REZONING 19.98 ACRES LOCATED ADJACENT TO OUR BROWN ELECTRIC SERVICE COMPANY AT FOUR 50 WASHINGTON POST ROAD TOMORROW, TAN, RESIDENTIAL TO C3 COMMERCIAL.

IT WAS SUPPOSEDLY THAT WAS BERNARD, I THINK.

GOT IT.

GIVES US A HEADS UP AND WE GO BACK TO WHERE IT WORLD A FEW WEEKS AGO.

YEAH, WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MAIL.

IF WE RECALL THAT THE LAST MEETING WE DID HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN DECEMBER ON THIS REZONING REQUEST AND THAT THE TOWN, THERE WAS SOME UNREADINESS EXPRESSED BY ALL THE WOMAN, BARBARA LEE, UH, IN THE INTERIM, WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEARBY RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHO SOME OF THEM ARE, UH, HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS CONCERNING THE REZONING OF THIS PROJECT.

I THINK BARBARA LEE IS GOING TO MAKE SOME REMARKS CONCERNING THIS ALSO HAVE PROPERTY OWNER.

WELL, THE PERSON, THE APPLICANT REQUESTING THE REASONABLY LOCKED HERE, HE HAS A REPRESENTATIVE MR. FIELD PHARIS WHO REPRESENTS MR. BLOCK? DO YOU WANT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER MR. BLOCKER HAS SOMEBODY WANTS TO SAY TO YOU BEFORE I SAY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, UM, THIS IS, IS THIS LIKE THE CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH? I MUST'VE WARD WAS WONDERING WHY THE WAY IT SAYS HE THINKS WE CLOSED IN THE LAST TIME WE TABLED IT.

UH, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, UH, PERHAPS TO WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW IS THAT, UH, WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MEET WITH, UH, COUNCIL, WOMAN LEE, AND, UH, OTHER OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STAY UP HERE, UH, UH, AT THAT MEETING.

UH, I THINK MS. LEE HAD ALREADY, AND I DON'T MEAN TO PREEMPT WHAT WOULD SAY, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AT THAT MEETING THAT, UH, SOME OF THE MEMBERS, UH, IN THE AREA WHERE THE PSALM WAS GOING TO TAKE PLACE HAD, HAD MET WITH HER, HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS AND EXPRESS THE CONCERNS THAT THEY EXPRESSED WERE CERTAINLY MATTERS THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.

UH, WHAT WE DID IS, UH, I WROTE A LETTER TO MS. LEE AND, UH, GAVE, UH, ANSWERS WOULD BE, AND, UH, RECONFIRM WHAT WE HAD SAID TO HER IN PERSON, UH, THEIR CONCERNS DEALT PRIMARILY WITH, UH, TRAFFIC, WATER RETENTION AND LAND VALUES.

UH, WE, WE, WE THINK WE ADDRESSED THOSE AREAS, UH, AS COMPLETELY AS WE COULD AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME, OBVIOUSLY THAT THERE'S, THERE IS NO GUARANTEES THAT WE CAN GIVE THAT, UH, WE DON'T EVEN CAN'T EVEN GUARANTEE THAT WE HAVE A PROJECT YET.

UH, THE ONLY GUARANTEE THAT WE HAVE IS THAT FEBRUARY 2ND IS A DROP DEAD DATE FOR US.

UH, IF WE CAN GET EVERY ALL PIECES TOGETHER BY THEN, UH, THE, THE FUNDING CYCLE FOR THE TAX CREDITS, UH, CLOSES AND WE'RE, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING AGAIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

UH, SO THAT IS THE DEADLINE THAT WE ARE WORKING, UH, AGAINST.

UH, NOW THE, THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THAT, FORTUNATELY I HAVE, UH, MR. BILL FERRIS WITH US, WHO SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW IS BEING A FORMER CITY MANAGER IN WILMINGTON AND HAD ALSO WORKED, I THINK ON TWO PROJECTS UP HERE AT NEWBURN WITH, UH, WITH SCOTT REDINGER, UH, AS SCOTT WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT.

AND SO BILL IS SORT OF STANDING IN FOR HIM, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE ANSWERS WE GAVE, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE WATER RETENTION, UH, IT IS A PROBLEM FOR US AS WELL,

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THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A, I THINK A WATER RETENTION PLAN IS THAT THE CORRECT TERM, UH, TERMINOLOGY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT, HEALTH AND NATURAL RESOURCES.

AND THEY HAVE THE APPROVAL ON THAT.

I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GONNA MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE WATER IS, UH, IS APPROPRIATE AND THAT WE CAN, WE WON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THEY TELL US.

UH, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC IS CONCERNED.

UH, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CONTROL OVER.

ALTHOUGH AGAIN, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND GET THEIR APPROVAL FOR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE DO AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF A PARTICULAR AREAS OF CONCERN, THE FINAL AREA, UH, OF THEIR CONCERN, WHICH WAS CERTAINLY LEGITIMATE, IS, WOULD AFFECT THAT SOME, A PROJECT LIKE THIS WOULD HAVE ON WHEN THEIR LAND LAND-BASED.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I ACTUALLY MENTIONED THE LETTER, SOME THOUGHTS THAT OCCURRED TO ME, UH, ALONG THE WAY THAT FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE PROPERTY ITSELF ALWAYS ALREADY HAS A DEVELOPMENT, NOT TOTALLY UNLIKE WHAT IT IS THAT WE INTEND TO DO.

IT'S, UH, SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET DOWN THE ROAD IT'S ON BASICALLY THE SAME TRACT OF LAND.

UH, IT WAS FORMERLY OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD BE PURCHASING IT FROM.

UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S HAD ANY ADVERSE EFFECT ON LAND VALUES, BUT IF IT DID, I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

UH, WE THINK THAT OURS IS GOING TO BE A, A GOOD, A GOOD PROJECT.

UH, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL IS IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, FOR PEOPLE, UH, I GUESS, AGAIN, AS I'VE SAID ON OTHER OCCASIONS THAT THE BEST, THE BEST THING THAT I CAN SAY ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT I'M GOING TO DO IS TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE DONE.

AND, UH, AGAIN, THAT, THAT AS FAR AS SCOTT AND I ARE CONCERNED THAT THAT THAT'S THE, THE PROJECT IN LAURINBURG.

UH, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE AT A DLT MEETING YESTERDAY.

UH, SOME OF Y'ALL MADE FROM HERE MAY HAVE BEEN UP THERE, UH, AND, UH, OR HAVING JUST HAPPENED TO RUN INTO THE MAYOR FROM LAURINBURG.

AND SHE ACTUALLY THANKED ME FOR PUTTING THAT, THAT, UH, THAT PROJECT THERE, UH, AND SAID THAT IT WAS THAT SHE WAS VERY SATISFIED WITH IT.

AND SO WITH THE PEOPLE IN LAURINBURG, UH, I DON'T WANT TO PREEMPT WHAT WITH MS. LEE IS GOING TO SAY.

AND SO I WOULD, I'D RATHER REACT TO WHAT IT IS THAT SHE IS GOING TO SAY ABOUT, UH, UH, WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.

AND, UH, IF I MAY BE PERMITTED TO DO SO, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO, TO HER COMMENTS.

OKAY.

UM, IN OUR LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, FORCE YOU TO REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED, BUT WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS LAST MONDAY HERE AT CITY HALL, AND TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT AND, UM, MR. BLOCK, IT WAS NOT HERE.

AND MR. GEORGE AND I WERE HERE, AND WE WERE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THE COMMUNITY WHAT WE BELIEVE THE PROJECT WAS ABOUT AT THAT TIME.

UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WE'RE IN, WE'RE INTERESTED IN THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT HE JUST MENTIONED, THE TRAFFIC AND THE DRAINAGE AND THE PROPERTY VALUE.

AND THEY ASKED US TO ASK, UH, MR. BLOCK AND SCOTT TO MEET WITH THEM AND ADDRESS THOSE THINGS FOR THEM AS TO HOW THEY ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH THEM.

SO, UH, ON THURSDAY, BERNARD, GEORGIA, AND I MET WITH MR. BLOCK AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS TELLING HIM THAT MAYBE HE WOULD RATHER WAIT AWHILE BEFORE YOU MEET WITH ME TO MEET WITH THEM, BUT WE MET.

AND I GOT A BETTER INSIGHT OF THE PROJECT, WHICH PERSONALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY GOOD, ESPECIALLY THE FACT THAT, UH, TH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSES, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR OBJECTIVES FOR THE CITY WILL BE LOCATED IN AN AREA WHERE THERE IS A GROWING INDUSTRY FOR, FOR PEOPLE AT THAT INCOME BRACKET.

WOULD IT HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S A WAREHOUSE WHERE THERE'S ROBERT BOSCH, THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND IT'S ALL IN THAT SAME SURROUNDING AREA.

SO PEOPLE WHO MAYBE LOCATE HERE, WORK IN THOSE PLACES MIGHT LOOK FOR AFFORDABLE HOMES, AND THIS COULD, COULD, COULD BE A POSITIVE THING FOR THEM.

HOWEVER, THE COMMUNITY FELT, UM, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MEET MR. BLOCK AND HAVE THEM TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.

MR. JOYCE TRIED TO ADDRESS THEM.

HOWEVER, THEY WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH MR. BLOCK BEFORE THIS WAS APPROVED.

SO IN A MEETING A MONDAY, I TOLD THEM THAT WHAT I WOULD DO WAS ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD DELAY ANY DECISION UNTIL THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MR. BLOCK.

AND IT WAS AN WELL, WE MET ON THURSDAY, WE GOT THIS LETTER RESPONDING TO THE CONCERNS ON FRIDAY.

SO WE HAVEN'T HAD

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TIME TO ME.

SO, UM, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS CALLED ME THIS EVENING AND WAS ASKING AND SAID THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE IS HERE.

IS ANYONE HERE FROM THERE? I THOUGHT I RECOGNIZED SOME OF THEM.

OKAY.

AND THEY WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MR. BLOCK AND MS. AND SCOTT TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE MADE A FINAL DECISION.

SO WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED AND UNQUESTIONABLY, YOU KNOW, MR. BLACK, WE HAD A CONFLICT OF SCHEDULING, SO WE COULDN'T MEET BEFORE TONIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THURSDAY MEETING AT SEVEN 30 HERE.

NOW THAT PUTS MR. BLOCK IN A POSITION WHERE HE FEELS IF WE WERE TO DELAY IT UNTIL OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING WE'D HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR THEM SUBMIT THAT, THAT HE WENT TO SUBMIT, I MEAN, POINT OUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS, WAS A CONCERN TO ME, AND THAT WAS THAT HE WAS REQUESTING THE AREA TO BE REZONED OUR SIX FROM OUR 10 TO OUR SIXTH.

AND THEN, LIKE HE SAID, HE WASN'T SURE IF THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO GO OFF, THEN WE WOULD HAVE HAD THIS LAST SHOOTING HERE, ZONE OR SIXTH.

AND THAT KIND OF MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE.

HOWEVER, WE TALKED AND WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD REQUEST AN R EIGHT.

HE COULD DO WHAT HE WANTED TO DO IN AN RA RATHER THAN OUR SIXTH.

AND THEN IF HIS PROJECT DIDN'T GO THROUGH, THEN WE WILL REQUEST THAT THE BOARD REZONE IT BACK TO 10.

YOU KNOW, IT MAKES YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER FROM, FROM HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE FEAR THAT THERE MIGHT BE A BIG LOT OF OUR SIX IN THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN THE SIX SCHOOL? I DON'T KNOW THE NAME.

WELL, LISTEN.

UM, IS IT POSSIBLE JUST AS AN ACCOMMODATION TO, UH, YOUR FOLKS AND, UH, TO THE DEVELOPERS THAT WE RECESS THIS MEETING TONIGHT AND RECONVENE NOON FRIDAY.

THIS IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU GUYS, IF WE COULD, UM, EITHER BY PHONE OR BY RECESS, MAKE OUR FINAL DECISION ON FRIDAY, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T FEEL LIKE I PROMISED THE COMMUNITY THAT I WOULD ASK YOU NOT TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT UNTIL THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM.

AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M ASKING YOU NOT TO DO THAT TONIGHT.

PLEASE DO NOT VOTE A DECISION TONIGHT UNTIL THE COMMUNITY HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH MR. BELL.

SO YOU WANT TO CALL ME, IS THAT FIRST JUST TO MAKE A DECISION I HAVE TO BE HERE.

NO.

OKAY.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT LEASES, TH TH LET ME JUST POINT OUT WHAT THINGS HAVE BEEN.

I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED TO COUNSEL WOMAN LI UM, I AM COMMITTED, UM, I'M ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH CAROLINA WILMINGTON, AND WE'RE HAVING OUR QUARTERLY BOARD MEETING ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY.

UH, THAT WILL BE OVER THE THIRSTY SESSIONS.

WE'LL BE AN UBER EARLY ENOUGH FOR ME TO DRIVE UP HERE, UH, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO SO.

OUR POSITION HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WE WILLING TO MEET AT ANY TIME, ANY PLACE WITH THE LOCAL, UH, FOLKS WHO CARE TO CARE, TO MEET WITH US.

UH, YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE MENTIONED LAST TIME THAT EVEN BEFORE ANY OF THIS PROCESS BEGAN, UH, WE SENT OUT LETTERS TO THE PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND ASKED THEM TO COME TO A MEETING THAT WE WERE HOLDING, UM, AT ONE OF THE PLACES CLOSE BACK AND, UH, ASK THEM TO MEET WITH US TILL WE COULD EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAD PLANNED TO DO.

UH, IN FACT, MANY PEOPLE, NOT MANY, A FEW PEOPLE SHOWED UP.

I WOULD, I WOULD, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW MANY, MAYBE 10, 12 SOMETHING IN THAT GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE PUT IT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN ADD VERY MUCH, BUT, UH, TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SAID, UH, BECAUSE SIMPLY IF THIS STAGE OF THE GAME, WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW A LOT OF THE ANSWERS.

UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AND WE COULD PERHAPS ADDRESS THAT ISSUE IS THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE QUALITY OF THE, UH, OF THE, THE APARTMENTS DETERIORATING, UH, IN SUBSIDIZED, UH, OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RATHER OF THIS PARTICULAR TYPE, UH, JUDGING BY, AGAIN, MY EXPERIENCE WITH LAURINBURG IS NOT LIKE MARKET RATE APARTMENTS IN A MARKET RATE APARTMENT.

UH, THE DEVELOPERS BORROW THE MONEY.

THEY, THEY, THEY BUILD A BUILDING, THEY RENT IT FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE THEY CAN POSSIBLY RENT IT FOR.

AND THEN THEY TAKE ALL THE PROFITS.

UH, IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.

AND IN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE, UH, WHAT HAPPENS ON THE FRONT END WHEN YOU BUILD WITH THINGS YOU HAVE TO FUND YOUR OPERATING RESERVES AND,

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UH, IN USING THE GIM, THE LAURINBURG, AS, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY THERE, RIGHT THIS MINUTE, A SIX FIGURE RESERVE SITTING THERE FOR, TO COVER VARIOUS CONTINGENCIES THAT IS FUNDED WITH FULLY WITH CASH.

AND, UH, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT, UH, THAT THE ROOF BLEW OFF OF ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS.

THAT THAT WOULD BE NO WAY WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO GET MONEY TO REPAIR IT.

THE MONEY'S SITTING THERE, AND THIS WOULD BE A SIMILAR TYPE OF FUNDING ARRANGEMENT.

AND THE, THE BEST CONTROLS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE GOING TO HAVE IS, IS NOT GOING TO BE THEM.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ME.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF STATE INSPECTORS OR ANYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO BE THE INVESTORS WHO PUT MONEY IN THAT.

AND THOSE PEOPLE KNOW THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY DO THIS FULL TIME.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THEY DO.

THEY INVEST IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPE, SUBSIDIZED HOUSING, AND THEY KNEW ALL THE TRICKS OF THE TRADE, AND THEY KNEW AND WANT THIS STUFF TO BE AVAILABLE FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS.

AND ONE ALARM IS COMMITTED FOR 30 YEARS, UH, TO, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER AT THIS POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE A 15 YEAR PROJECT OR A 30 YEAR, UH, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY BE ONE OF THE OTHER.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SIT IN THERE, LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER, SENDING INSPECTORS IN.

I KNEW THEY SENT US PICTURES IN, BECAUSE I, I GOT A CALL TODAY FROM, UH, SOME OF THE INSPECTORS THAT HAD GONE IN, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE THE ANSWERS THAT I CAN GIVE AT THIS POINT.

UH, I THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF ANSWERS I CANNOT GIVE.

AND, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL SOMEBODY, PROMISE SOMEBODY THE MILLION WHEN I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN DELIVER.

UH, SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US AGAIN? I'M BACK AT THE POINT THAT FEBRUARY 2ND IS A DROP DEAD DATE FOR US.

IF WE DON'T GET OUR APPLICATION, WE'RE DEAD IN THE WATER.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY ASKED ME TO HAVE THIS DECISION POSTPONE TONIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, YOU SAY YOU WILL COME THURSDAY.

UH, I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO COME.

I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ADD ANYTHING OR IF I CAN SATISFY ANYTHING.

WELL, THE THREE THINGS, AND THEY SAID TO MR. GEORGE AND I, MR. GEORGE, WILL YOU VERIFY THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUE, THEIR PROPERTY VALUE, THE DRAINAGE AND THE TRAFFIC.

AND AS WE DISCUSSED ON FRIDAY, HE WILL ADDRESS THOSE IN THE WAY THAT YOU ADDRESS THEM.

YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

AND THEN OF COURSE, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECESS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WE'LL NEED TO DO THAT.

AT THE END OF THE MEETING, RE RECESSED TO MEET ME AT THE END, WAS SHE AWAKE? AND SHE'S JUST MAKING A MOTION THAT AT THE END, WE RECESS RECESS ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, BOYS SAY FIRE IS DENIED.

THERE'LL BE A MEETING THURSDAY NIGHT.

THERE'LL BE A MAJOR COMMUNITY RIGHT HERE.

OKAY.

IT'S JUST WHERE WE WANT TO MEET HERE.

YES, SIR.

WHAT TIME AT 7 38? YOU'RE WELCOME TO IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY NOW? UH OKAY.

I KIND OF HATE THE IDEA OF FLOPPING BACK AND FORTH WITH HIS OWN, AND IF IT DIDN'T WORK OUT, BUT SOMETHING WAS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.

WHAT KIND OF VALUE? WHAT WILL THE DEVELOPMENT HAVE ONCE IT'S FINISHED ITS MARKET VALUE? THE MARKET VALUE? UH, AGAIN, JUDGING BY, UH, THE PROJECTS WE'VE BEEN AT TIME PASS WILL BE IN THE $3 MILLION RANGE.

BILL.

WHAT DOES THAT TRANSLATE IN AVALON TAXES FOR THE CITY? YEAH.

WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

NO, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'M TRYING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THE FACT THAT, UH, THIS STRIKES ME AS A LOT MORE DESIRABLE THAN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COULD GO IN THERE.

NOW I KNOW THERE WAS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT THERE THAT WAS FOR SALE THAT CAME MIGHTY CLOSE TO BEING TURNED INTO A TRAILER PARK AND IT COULD STILL HAPPEN.

AND IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THIS SITE.

SO SOMETHING'S GOING IN THERE AND THIS SOUNDS LIKE PROBABLY THE BEST THING.

WELL, THIS, IT COULD HAPPEN HERE.

IF WE GET, IF WE REZONE THIS R SIX AND LEAVE IT ARE SIX, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING, I BELIEVE MR. BLOCK WOULD GO

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THROUGH WITH WHAT HE'S PROPOSING, BUT IF HE DIDN'T AND WE LEFT IT ON THE SIXTH, RIGHT BEHIND THOSE PEOPLE, WILL THAT ACCOMMODATE HIM? 10, EIGHT THAT'S APARTMENT.

MR. JOYCE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE ZONING THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE HIM WOULD BE ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO GET IT.

FRIDAY, THURSDAY NIGHT, SEVEN 30.

DID PARTIES NEED TO BE THERE? YES, I WILL BE THERE ON THURSDAY AND I CANNOT BE HERE ON FRIDAY.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T NEED TO BE HERE ON FRIDAY AFTER WE ALL MEET THURSDAY NIGHT AND EVERYBODY REACHES A CONSENSUS.

YES.

CAN ASK BRIAN ON FRIDAY, BUT IF NOT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO COME DOWN TO THE MAJORITY VOTE.

AND OF COURSE IT'S SADLY AS, AS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU RUN INTO.

AND THEN JUST SO I'LL UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT I BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH PEOPLE ON THURSDAY NIGHT.

I CAN NOT GUARANTEE THAT I CAN CONVINCE EVERYBODY THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WORKS.

YOU UNDERSTAND? WE JUST LIKE FOR YOU LIKE MR. JUDGE, MATT SUGGESTED THAT YOU WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERN.

THEY WERE CLEARLY ADDRESS SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN.

AND IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT AND YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT, OH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT AT ANYTIME.

LIKE VERY MUCH MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE CONSENT AGENDA AND I MOVE, WE ACCEPT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MA'AM ON SEVEN.

YES, YES.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THE NEXT THING IS APARTMENTS.

MOST OF MANIC.

I DON'T HAVE ANY SHOES.

MS. LADY.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MS. FREE.

NO.

YES.

I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE ROBERT RAINER FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO THE NEUSE RIVER.

PROBABLY ALREADY ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT, MAN.

WE'LL COME DOWN.

NOMINATE.

I'LL BE A BALANCE OF NOT FACING THAT.

WON'T WORK.

ALRIGHT.

HOW ABOUT MISCELLANEOUS? NO, SIR.

I HAD NO MISCELLANEOUS LEE.

NO, SIR.

MR. FREE.

NO, SIR.

NO SIR.

ONE LANDO AND I DARE NOT SAY DESTRUCT.

OKAY.

THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE MIKE NEEDED TO ADDRESS MORE ABOUT ONE THING THAT DANNY NEEDED TO ALSO, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING OFF? I'LL ASK YOU NOW MY ACCOUNT CLOSE TO THE RIVER IS YOUR COTTAGE AND WHEN THE RIVER'S UP, IT'S A REAL CLINIC.

UM, MOST OF THEM WITHOUT SECOND.

GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC, MR. MAYOR, I GUESS YOU SHOULD TELL THEM WHAT IT IS.

WELL, I THINK MIKE WELL IT'S ROUTINE.

YEAH.

UM, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S TIME FOR THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE UNITED WAY OF COASTAL CAROLINA FUN DRIVE.

UH, IT IS GOING TO BE HAILED FOR CITY EMPLOYEES AND THE BOARD, WHICH THE RESOLUTION STATES, UM, JANUARY THE 25TH THROUGH THE 29TH, UH, THE UNITED WAY TOUCHES A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK ALL OF US HAVE EITHER EXPERIENCED IT DIRECTLY OR A FRIEND OR A FAMILY, THE AGENCIES THAT THEY SUPPORT AND BASICALLY WHAT THE RESOLUTION DOES IS IT RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT, UH, UH, COMMITMENT AND CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY AND SETS ASIDE PROCLAIMS THE WEEK OF JANUARY 25TH THROUGH THE 29TH IS UNITED WAY WEEK AND, UH, ENCOURAGES STAFF AND EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THERE'S PLEASE MA'AM YES, YES, YES.

UM, OKAY.

WHO ELSE WAS HAPPENING THAT MATTERS?

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UM, I RECEIVED THE COPY OF THE PARADE PERMIT OR FLANDERS TO THAT AND HAVE NOT HAD A REQUEST IN, BUT, UH, THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WILL BE TOO LATE.

UH, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO CLOSE THE MIDDLE STREET.

6:00 AM UNTIL ABOUT 1:30 PM FOR THE SIDE OF PARADE ON THE 23RD.

THAT'S THE SAME ROUTINE.

THE SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? RIGHT? GO AHEAD.

I REMEMBER WE HAD A CONTROVERSY REGARDING CHRISTMAS PARADE ABOUT THE DURATION OF THE CLOSING.

THEY SAY IT WAS TOO EARLY.

WHEN DID THIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THE PARADE WAS SUPPOSED TO START NOON? RIGHT? WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM ON THE FAN IS ONCE THE TRAFFIC GETS ON THE STREET, YOU CAN'T MOVE IT.

SO I THINK THAT CHRISTMAS SITUATION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN, OH, BECAUSE IT WAS A SHOPPING DATE, MAJOR SHOPPING AT THE TIME OF THAT.

OKAY.

THERE WILL BE PROBABLY THOUSAND, 1500 SHRINERS AND THEIR WIVES HERE AND THEY WILL BE SPENDING BIG DOLLARS.

THEY'RE HERE EVERY DAY.

THEY'RE HERE EVERY JANUARY.

OKAY, GREAT.

ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE ROADS.

UH, AND DON'T FORGET TO COME TO THE PARADE AND BRING ALL THE KIDS.

THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.

NOW WE HAD CHEAP MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, IF YOU, IF YOU WILL.

I JUST WANT TO TAKE ONE MINUTE TO, UH, ON A PERSONAL LEVEL.

UM, MY MOTHER, CATHERINE COLOMBO AND MY FAMILY HAVE ASKED ME TO EXPRESS THEIR DEEPEST APPRECIATION FOR THE PLANTS AND THE, THE KIND WORDS OF SYMPATHY THAT YOU ALL EXTENDED TO MY FAMILY, UH, FOR THE PASSING OF MY FATHER, UH, MR. HARTMAN AND THE, UH, OTHER DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND THE PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT AND LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY SENT A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL CARDS AND FLOWERS AND EVERYTHING.

AND, UH, IT WAS VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

UM, MY ENTIRE FAMILY, WHEN I ARRIVED, THEY JUST COULDN'T GET OVER THE OUTPOURING OF SYMPATHY AND WARMTH AND LOVE FROM THE CITY.

AND YOU HAVE REAFFIRMED ONCE AGAIN, OUR DECISION TO COME HERE AND WE REALLY THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE WELL.

OKAY.

IS THAT ALL THAT WE'D GOT FROM BOEING NOW WE NEED TO, WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PROPERTY ACQUISITION.

OKAY.