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AS WE SOMEWHAT TOGETHER HERE TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THIS IMPORTANT.
NOW WE ARE HERE TO BE LED BY YOUR SPIRIT, GOD, TO PEOPLE AS THEY SHALL BRING THEIR CONCERNS BEFORE THIS BODY TEACH THEM LORD THE THINGS TO SAY AND HOW TO SAY THEM AND BLESS THIS BOARD, THAT GOD, TO BE SENSITIVE AND OPEN AND WITH AN OPEN EAR TO HEAR WHAT HAS BEEN SAID HERE BY WAY OF YOUR PEOPLE AND OLD LORD, LET YOUR SPIRIT BIND US TOGETHER THAT WE MIGHT SEE TOGETHER.
THE THINGS THAT IS GOOD FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
AND AFTER ALL HAD BEEN SAID AND DONE, WE PRAY THAT YOUR SPIRIT WILL SATISFY US, BLESS US, AND MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE THIS A BETTER COMMUNITY FOR ALL YOUR PEOPLE IN JESUS NAME.
YEAH, BUT IT'S ALL HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS SWEAR IN SOME NEW POLICE OFFICERS.
UH, YOU HAVE THE OTHER CITY CLERK HAS THE OATH.
YOU DO HAVE THE, YOU DON'T HAVE,
FIGURED HE'D HAVE TO MAKE IT UP.
UH, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU, BRENDA LYNN AND ELIZA AND CARLOS CHEESE FOR YOU AS MEMBERS.
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APPRECIATE YOU ALL JOINING UP.
WE'RE REAL PROUD OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE MONTHLY REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS.
SO DO WE HAVE HERE THAT, UH ALRIGHT, COME RIGHT AHEAD.
WEBB IS WITH MY RIDE TO ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, UH, AN ISSUE INVOLVING THE BOARD.
I ACTUALLY, I KNOW THE BOARD'S TIME IS VERY LIMITED AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TAKE OUT OF THIS AS LITTLE TIME AS POSSIBLE.
OUR HANDOUT AT CASTRO, UM, DR.
WEBB IS, IS A CITIZEN OR A RESIDENT OF GREENVILLE.
NORTH CAROLINA HAS DONE QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
SOME OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW HIM.
HE ACTUALLY BOUGHT, BROUGHT HARRIS TEETER TO NEWBURN, AND THE CROSSROADS SHOPPING CENTER IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED PROBABLY AROUND $20 MILLION WORTH OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CITY.
UM, HE VERY MUCH LIKES THE CITY OF NEWBURGH HAS BEEN VERY MUCH A PART OF ITS DEVELOPMENT AND ACTUALLY RESIDED HERE BEFORE WE MOVED TO GREENVILLE, HE ACTUALLY GREW UP IN GREENVILLE AND ENDED UP GOING BACK HOME, I GUESS.
UH, HE MAINTAINS AN OFFICE HERE AND HAS QUITE A BIT OF COMMERCIAL INTEREST HERE THIS TIME.
UH, THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS DR.
WEBB DEVELOPED, UH, SEVERAL APARTMENT BUILDINGS ON OFF OF ACADEMIC DRIVE CALLED COPPERFIELD APARTMENTS OUT, JUST ADJACENT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
WEBB HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN AN UNFORTUNATE AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENT AND UNDERWENT ABOUT 13 OPERATIONS.
AND AT ONE POINT WE DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO WALK AT THE END, BUT HE'S DOING JUST GREAT.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, COME THROUGH THAT QUITE WELL.
UH, IT WAS DURING THIS TIME THAT THE ISSUES CAME UP, UH, COPPERFIELD APARTMENTS AND WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE QUITE A BIT OF CONFUSION WITH REGARD TO THE WATER TAP FEES, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'M SURE IN, UH, AS OF JANUARY 13TH, 1998, THE TAP FEES ACTUALLY CHANGED AND WENT UP A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT FROM WHAT THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY.
WEBB HAD ACTUALLY BEGAN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THESE APARTMENTS IN 1997, POSSIBLY EVEN A LITTLE EARLIER, BUT, UH, IN THE HANDOUT I'VE GIVEN YOU THAT WE'VE SORT OF DONE A CHRONOLOGY OF THE EVENTS, AND I'M JUST GOING TO TRY TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND THEN WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
BUT BASICALLY THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS INVOLVED, THREE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, TWO OF THEM ARE ON ONE LINE AND ONE IS ON A SECOND BLOCK.
IT WAS ACTUALLY A FOURTH BUILDING INVOLVED THAT A PERMIT WAS ISSUED FOR.
AND THE OLD, OLD TAP FEES WERE, WERE APPLICABLE TO THAT BUILDING, UH, SPECIFICALLY THEIR BUILDINGS EIGHT OR EXCUSE ME, NINE AND 10 AND 11 ARE THE ONES THAT ARE AT ISSUE.
WEBB HAD ACTUALLY, UH, THROUGH HIS OFFICE AT THIS TIME, QUITE A BIT OF THE WORK WAS BEING DONE BY HIS EMPLOYEES HERE.
AS I SAID, HE WAS PRETTY MUCH OUT OF COMMISSION DOING A LOT OF, OF THIS PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, BUT THE APPLICATIONS WERE ACTUALLY MADE, AS I RECALL IN, IN, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS AUGUST OR EXCUSE ME, APRIL OF 1997, THEY WILL FILE ORIGINALLY WITH THE CITY.
AND THIS WAS A FIVE BLOCK DEVELOPMENT OFF OF ACADEMIC DRIVE WAS BASICALLY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND IS IT, HE WENT FROM ONE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TO ANOTHER AND FINALLY DECIDED ON THE APARTMENTS.
AND THEN IT BECAME APPARENT THAT IT WAS GOING TO INVOLVE A RETENTION POND.
SO, UH, AT THE TIME HE MADE THE APPLICATIONS THAT WAS APPARENT IN THE CITY, UH, DUE TO THEIR POLICY DID NOT ISSUE THE APPLICATIONS OR THE PERMITS AT THAT TIME DUE TO THE NECESSITY TO GET AN APPLICATION FOR RETENTION POND, HAVE THAT APPROVED AND HAVE THAT PROCESS STARTED ACTUALLY THAT THAT PROCESS WAS BEGUN.
AND AS THE NOTE SHOW, THE CITY HAD ACTUALLY DENIED THE BUILDING PERMITS IN MAY DUE TO THE RETENTION POND ISSUE.
UH, THEY DID JULY ENGINEERING FIRM HAD DESIGNED UPON, UH, IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE APPROPRIATE STATE PEOPLE AND ACTUALLY A, A, UH, PERMIT WAS FINALLY ISSUED ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, 1997, APPROVING THE PLANS AND DESIGNED THE RETENTION POND.
UH, DURING OCTOBER THERE WAS A DR.
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PRETTY MUCH, UH, HAD HOPED THAT THE PERMITS WOULD BE ISSUED AND THE CITY HAD CONTINUED TO THE TOTAL PERMITS.WEBB HAD MET WITH MR. HARTMAN AND MS. DEPARTMENT ONE PERMIT ISSUED FOR, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILDING NUMBER EIGHT AND THAT BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED.
AND THAT CAME UNDER THE OLD PET FEES.
I THINK THE PERMIT MAY HAVE BEEN ISSUED A LITTLE LATER DUE TO HIS FAILURE TO, AND THIS MR. HARTMAN ALLOWED THIS PERMIT TO COME ON WITH NO TAP FEES.
THEN WITH REGARD TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS, THE CITY HAD DECIDED TO WITHHOLD THE PERMITS BECAUSE OF THE RETENTION POND AND FELT THAT IT SHOULD BE BUILT AND COMPLETED BEFORE THE PERMITS ISSUED DURING THIS PROCESS, IT WAS A CHANGE IN CONSPIRATOR PHASE THREE, THE STATE BECAME INVOLVED AND THOUGHT IT WOULD RATHER DANGEROUS TO ENTER, UH, TWO ENTRANCES ON ACADEMIC DRAFTS AND NEAR THE HIGH SCHOOL.
WEBB ALSO WOULD LIKE TO USE ONE OF THE LOTS WERE A SEPARATE BUILDING WHERE THE POND WAS GOING TO GO.
SO THE STREETS WERE RECONFIGURED, ALL THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.
AND THE CITY ASKED THAT THE COLDEST THAT WE BUILT AT THE END OF THE STREET AND ALL THAT WAS FINALLY COMPLETED, I BELIEVE FINALLY, IN NOVEMBER, THE CONSTRUCTION IS GUARDED ON THE DETENTION POND, THE RETENTION POND, AND, UH, BY CARPENTER CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT WAS COMPLETED AND THE STREETS AND THE CUL-DE-SAC AND ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION WAS ACTUALLY COMPLETED IN 1997.
WELL, AS LUCK WOULD HAVE IT DURING PART OF THE PROCESS, THE CITY HAD ACTUALLY THIS PLACE, THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE BUILDING.
UH, WE MANAGED TO KEEP COPIES OF A COUPLE OF THEM FOR BUILDINGS, I BELIEVE, UH, NINE AND 10, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE ONE FOR 11.
WE CALLED IT THAT ONE HAD BEEN APPLIED TO FOUR AS WELL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL COPY OF THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY ACTUALLY EVER FOUND IT OR NOT, BUT, UH, MR. UH, DR.
WEBB'S CONTRACTOR, MR. SMITH, WHO WAS HIS GENERAL CONTRACTOR WORKING WITH THE INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT, AND THEY GAVE HIM PERMISSION TO BEGIN SEARCHING FOR CONSTRUCTION, INDICATING THAT SINCE THE FILE HAD BEEN MISPLACED, IT WAS ALL RIGHT TO BEGIN CERTAIN WORK.
THE CITY WOULDN'T HOLD THE JOB IN VIOLATION OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
ULTIMATELY THE PERMITS COULD NOT BE AN ISSUE, UH, FOR THE THREE BEFORE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY.
AND, AND, AND IN 1998, IT ALL BECAME APPARENT.
WILLIAM HAD NO IDEA THAT THE WORK THAT FACE HAD CHANGED GOING TO CHANGE.
UM, I KNOW IT GOES BACK TO THE PROCESS TO DO THAT.
AND DURING THIS TIME IT HAD BEEN RECUPERATE FROM AN OPERATION.
HAD HE KNOWN THIS? HE WOULD'VE MADE SURE WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN INTO THIS UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.
UM, AS, AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THIS DOCTOR, WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS FOR THIS DEPARTMENT.
HE AND I CORRESPONDED TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE WITHOUT COMING FORWARD FORWARD.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MS DEPARTMENT FELT WAS VERY IMPORTANT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT POND HAD BEEN APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF 1997.
AND IN HIS INVESTIGATION OF ALL THIS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED, THE DOCTOR, WE HAVEN'T BEEN OVER TO WASHINGTON AND MET WITH THE STORMWATER TEAM AND THEY PULLED OUT OF THEIR FILE, THE ACTUAL LETTER OF THE BOND AND THE PLANS AND EVERYTHING, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY SENT TO DR.
WEBB'S HOME IN GREENVILLE DURING THE TIME HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL.
WE THOUGHT THAT THE CITY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A COPY OF IT.
WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, I SPOKE WITH MS. DEPARTMENT THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT THIS, TO SEE IF THEY'D BE AN OUT FOR ME AT THE END, OR WHEN SHE COME HOME TONIGHT.
AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THE CC OF THE LETTER BY THE STATE WENT TO THE CREDIT ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS BATCH OF NEW.
SO APPARENTLY NONE OF US KNEW OF THE EXISTENCE OF THAT.
AND IN ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT MR CARMEN HAD WRITTEN BACK TO ME, HE INDICATED THAT, UH, POSSIBLY YOU DID HAVE THAT IN EXISTENCE THAT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED HIS OPINION ON THE ISSUE, BUT WE DECIDED IT WOULD BE BETTER TO COME FORWARD AND APPEAR BEFORE YOU ALL TONIGHT AND PRESENT OUR POSITION AND NOT DELAY ANY FURTHER.
WEBB'S ACTUALLY PAID THE FEES ON THE FRONT DESK BECAUSE HE HAD TO DO THAT.
HE'LL GET THE WATER START WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OPERATING.
AND THE FIGURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SIGNIFICANTLY SIGNIFICANT TWO YEARS, $32,000.
AND OF COURSE HE HAD PLANNED WITH THIS LENDER AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS UNDER THE OLD TAP FEES.
AND
AND THIS THAT WOULD, WOULD'VE BEEN ALLOWED IN THE OLD, UH, WE FEEL THAT WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED THE OLD DEBT THAT HE'S UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND SHOULD NOT BE LAST IN THIS PLACE.
AND OF COURSE, SINCE THE RETENTION ACTUALLY APPROVED, UH, WE FEEL THAT THAT WAS NO REASON TO HOLD UP A PERMIT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
WE TRULY FEEL THAT HE SHOULD BE FOR THE LOWER TASK.
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THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT BASICALLY HIS CASE TO THIS BOARD.AND HOPEFULLY THE BOARD WILL AGREE AND GRANT HIM SOME ASSISTANCE IN THAT.
WELL, I MS. BAXTER, UH, UH, A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAY IS, IS TRUE.
I'VE GOT A BIG STACK OF CORRESPONDENCE HERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT ALL OF IT ENTIRELY, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID IS, UH, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE, FEW THINGS TO BE ADDED TO THAT.
AND I LIKE TO ASK MR. HARTMAN, IF HE WOULD BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IN THIS PACKAGE, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WHAT YOU HAVE IS, UH, A SUMMARY, I GUESS I DIDN'T GIVE YOU ALL OF THE DETAILED INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.
I GAVE YOU THE LETTERS AND THE PERTINENT PARTS OF THE REQUEST DR.
UH, I THINK THAT, UH, UH, MR. BAXTER HAS EXPRESSED PROBABLY FACTUALLY EVERYTHING THAT WENT THROUGH.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD HAVE QUITE PHRASED SOME OF THE FACTS EXACTLY AS HE'S PHRASED THEM, BUT CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND HIS POSITION, BUT THE UPSHOT, THE BOTTOM LINE OF THIS THING WAS, IS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF GIVING RELIEF AND THIS AFFECTED A NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS THAT WAS IN THE FIELD, AND WE DID INCREASE THE FEES AND SOME OF THEM HAD ONGOING PROJECTS AT THAT TIME.
THEY HAD BASED THEIR FINANCING ON ONE SET OF TAP FEES, AND THE NEW SET WAS THROWING A LOT OF THEM OFF.
SO ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE MADE A DECISION THAT IF THEY HAD THE WORK IN PROGRESS AND THEY HAD ALREADY, UH, UH, UNDERTAKEN TO DO THIS WITH THE FINANCING AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT WE WOULD AT THAT POINT, UH, ALLOW THEM CREDIT.
AND I BELIEVE EVEN IN DR WEBB'S CASE ON A COUPLE OF HIS UNITS, WE DID, I BASICALLY DID ALLOW CREDIT FOR, UH, THAT TYPE OF A SITUATION.
BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, AND I REVIEWED HIS, UH, COMMENTS IN EACH SPECIFIC, UH, CASE THAT HE MADE WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WE DID MISPLACE SOME, UH, UH, PAPERWORK THAT HE HAD, BUT, UH, UH, AS I REVIEWED IT, I DID NOT FEEL THAT THAT WAS A MATERIAL THING TO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE TAPS, OR HE WOULD NOT HAVE RECEIVED THE TAPS AT, UH, AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME.
UH, THE REAL ISSUE WAS THE STORM WATER THING.
AND, UH, I SEE THIS LETTER HERE AND I WAS ASKED TODAY, IF I WOULD SAY, OKAY, SINCE I'VE GOT THIS LETTER, I WOULD DO SOMETHING.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T DO SOMETHING, JUST HEARING ABOUT IT AND LOOKING AT THE LETTER NOW, I'D WANT TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER AND TO TALK WITH MY STAFF ABOUT IT AND TO SEE HOW THIS STACKS UP, BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING IS THAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO IT IS COULD HE HAVE AVOIDED THE INCREASE IN FEES? DID HE START HIS CONSTRUCTION AT A TIME WHEN HE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THE INCREASE IN FEES AND HE, SO HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A, SHOULD BE PAYING THOSE BEADS IF HE WAS ALREADY IN THE PROGRESS OF DOING THIS, OF DOING THE CONSTRUCTION, WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED, OR THERE WERE SOME SITUATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO HIM, THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT HE COULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT AND, UH, NOT TAKING ANY ACTION TO AVOID IT, OR, OR TO HAVE TAKEN ACTION, TO HAVE RECEIVED FINANCING ENOUGH, TO HAVE COVERED THE NEW FEES.
THEN IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO GRANT HIM THE RELIEF THAT HE WAS SEEKING.
AND IN THE CASE, AFTER REVIEWING ALL OF THE FACTS THAT WE SAW, I JUST DID NOT FEEL IN MY OWN OPINION, AFTER TALKING WITH OUR STAFF AND AFTER LOOKING AT IT MYSELF, I DIDN'T FEEL IN MY OPINION THAT THAT THRESHOLD HAD BEEN CROSSED.
ALTHOUGH HE CERTAINLY HAS HAD A LOT OF PERSONAL DIFFICULTIES WITH HIS WRECK.
WEBB HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CITY IN THE PAST.
HE'S DONE A LOT OF THINGS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY AND A LOT OF GOOD QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS.
THERE'S A NOTE, NO, UH, UH, CONTENTION WITH, UH, WHO HE IS OR WHAT HE DOES, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT, I JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE TO GRANT HIM THAT, UH, RELIEF.
NOW HE'S BROUGHT THIS LETTER UP HERE AND THIS, AS I SAID, IN A LETTER TO, UH, MR. UH, BAXTER, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, UH, PROBABLY THAT ONE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT THERE ON THE TOP OF THE STACK THAT YOU'VE GOT, IF THERE WAS, IF THEY HAD A STORM WATER PERMIT AT A PARTICULAR TIME, THEN THAT MIGHT WELL CHANGE THE FACTS.
AND IT MIGHT WELL CHANGE THE FACT.
BUT IF YOU ASKED ME WHAT I'D RECOMMEND RIGHT NOW, I'D RECOMMEND NOT GIVING IT TO HIM.
IF YOU ASK ME WHAT I'D RECOMMEND AFTER STUDYING THIS, THEN I MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY, MAYBE WE NEED TO GRANT HIM THE RELIEF, BUT WE NEED TO LET YOU STUDY IT.
YOU KNOW, ANYTHING, WE TABLE THIS TILL THE NEXT MEETING SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
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AND PART OF THE PROBLEM OF COURSE, IS DR.WEB WASN'T AS CLOSE TO HIS SITUATION AS WOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT FOR THE ACCIDENT.
AND OF COURSE I'M LEARNING EVERYTHING SECOND HAND.
AND WE WOULD TALK IN THAT AFTER HE HAD CHECKED INTO A LOT OF THIS, THEY HAD ACTUALLY, BY THE WAY, MR. SMITH, THE CONTRACTORS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT HE WAS HERE BECAUSE THERE IS A LETTER IN THERE FROM HIM.
UM, IT TURNED OUT QUITE A BIT OF THE WORK HAD BEGUN THAT COULD BE DOING IT COULD HAVE BEEN BEGUN ON THE PHONE CONFLICTS THERE, UH, THE, THE, THE SEWER AND THE WATER LINES THAT BEEN LATER PAVING, THE RETENTION POND HAD BEEN BUILT.
SO THERE WAS, AND MR. HARTMAN PROBABLY WASN'T TOTALLY AWARE OF THIS EITHER.
CAUSE I WASN'T WHEN I WROTE TO HIM.
SO THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK GOING ON IN 97, EVEN BEFORE SUBSTANTIALLY, BEFORE THE TAP FEE CHANGED IN JANUARY OF 98.
SO BASED ON, I WANTED TO COMMENT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID AND THE WAY YOU ALL LOOKED AT IT, IF THE WORK HAD BEEN IN PROGRESS AND IT TRULY HAD BEEN IN PROGRESS AND NOT 97, CERTAIN OF THE BUILDINGS THAT NOT BEEN STARTED.
BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A LOT OF GROUNDWORK, BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM TALKING TO MR. SMITH, YOU CAN DO THAT.
YOU START PUTTING IN A FOUNDATION WITHOUT THE PROGRAM, AND I MAY NOT BE CORRECT ON THAT, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS WELL, HEY, HE NEEDS TO REVIEW ALL THAT.
AND THEN IF HE DECIDES TO DO IT, YOU WON'T BE BACK AND YOU'LL BE BACK.
AND WE DO FIND VERY MUCH, WELL, ONE PLANNING IS IT.
AND I HAVEN'T READ THE PART YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YOU SAID THAT SOMEBODY SAID THAT IF THE RETENTION POND HAD BEEN IN PLACE OR HAD BEEN APPROVED, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY.
AND ONE INTERESTING THING THAT HE PROBABLY WOULD LOOK AT IS, IS IF THE STATE OR WHOEVER HAD SENT THE THING TO THE PROPER ADDRESS, WOULD IT BE BUYING BY DEFINITION ON TIME? AND IF IT WAS AND ANSWERS HIS OWN QUESTION, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT HE'LL LOCK RALPHIE BUTTONS, PUT SOME FANCIERS IN TO STIR IT AROUND AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL AIM TO WAIT, PLEASE.
WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT A TWO WEEK DELAY, GOT TO LEARN, SPEAK ENGLISH AGAIN, CAUSE ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS IN US MAKING A DECISION ON THIS.
TIME IS MONEY, MR.
AND I THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS TO YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE HIM TIME TO ABSORB IT.
AND THAT'S IN MY WARD AND I NEED TIME TO SOLVE THIS.
I NEED TIME TO GET BACK WITH MR. HARTMAN ON THIS.
I HAD STUDIED HIS REPORT, BUT, UH, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A CHANCE MAYBE THIS WAY.
SO A COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT THAT MUCH.
AND I WAS TRYING TO BE AS HONEST, I ANSWERED THIS QUESTION THERE.
WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE ANY UNDUE PROBLEMS FOR, FOR THE GENTLEMEN, BUT WE DO RELY ON MR. HARTMAN'S EXPERTISE.
THE DEPARTMENT TODAY DISCUSSED, COME TONIGHT ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO YOU.
AND HE SAID, WELL, I APPRECIATE IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE UNDER THE REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS? YES, SIR.
UM, ALL THE PERSONS IN OTHER PATTERNS OF THE BOY HERE, UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF THE ROCK, ROCK COMMUNITY.
AND AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF WE'RE BEING BEEN ON A LOT OF STRESS LIKE OUT, OH, EXCUSE ME.
MY NAME IS HERON BADEN HERON, BETA RESIDENTS, ROCKY ROCK COMMUNITY.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF STRESS IN THE COMMUNITY TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT THIS COMMUNITY TO GO IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UM, RECENTLY WE'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH THE MEMBERS OF YOUR STAFF AND THE CITY, AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS IN THE COMMUNITY TRYING TO DECIDE WHICH WAY TO GO RECENTLY.
ON APRIL THE EIGHTH, WE HAD OUR LAST MEETING PER SE, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD SIGN A PETITION TO REQUEST THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, TO EXTEND THEIR EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, UM, DOWNSTATE AND ROAD, UH, MCDANIELS LANE, AND A STREET MOST RECENTLY IN THE COMMUNITY BALLOT DRIVE.
UM, WE THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST AS A COMMUNITY.
WE THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO KEEP OUR RURAL AESTHETIC LOOK THERE.
AND, UM, I WE'RE BASED IN THE ROCK AND ROLL COMMUNITY AND I LOVE IT THERE.
AND IF WE CAN KEEP THIS SIMPLE RULE LIFESTYLE, AS LONG AS WE CAN WITH BEGGING YOU TO HELP US HOLD ON TO THAT.
AND IF YOU TAKE US IN AND ETJ IS ADDICTION, UM, BELIEVING THAT YOU WILL HELP
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US MAINTAIN THIS RULE RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE, UM, MOST OF US IN THE ROCKY ROLL COMMUNITY, I GOT ADMIT, WE LOOKED AT IN ROCKY RUN, GOOD, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP THAT GOOD AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL.AND IF THIS IS A MEANS FOR US TO RETAIN SUSTAIN, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE CITY OF NEW BERN EXTENDED AS PRESIDENT OF FIRST TERRITORY JURISDICTION IN THE AREAS MOST RECENTLY STATED VALID DR.
WELL, AND WE'D APPRECIATE ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK BECAUSE WE HAVE, AND EXCUSE ME, OF COURSE, STATIN ROADS.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MAIN, THAT'S THE MAIN STEPS.
AND AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE ROCKEFELLER COMMUNITY HERE.
AND I BELIEVE IN EACH OTHER, THE PERSON OUT OF HERE TODAY ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION FOR THE AREAS I STAYED.
AND IF, IF, IF IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK THE BOARD, IF THERE'S ANYONE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAD A STATEMENT, THEY WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE COMMUNITY, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU ALSO WERE THE ONES WHO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.
COULD YOU ASK THEM TO STAND UP ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF THINGS LIKE TO MAKE? I PREFER JUST TO PLANNING TO START THE PROCESS IF THEY SO SEE FIT.
I, YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PAPER HERE.
I SURE WISH YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE WHEN WE FIRST DID OUR YOU TJ.
I WAS HERE, BUT, UH, WE WAS AT A, AS WE GENERALLY ARE IN THE ROCKY ROAD, WE AT A CRITICAL MOMENT, WE TOOK CARE OF WHAT WE HAD TO FOR THE GIVEN LOAN NOTE.
I NOTICED THE ABSENCE, MR. SIMMONS TONIGHT, THAT'S FINE.
YOU CAN SEE NOW, CAN WE GET AN IDEA OF WHAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND ALL THIS? IF THEY HAVE AN IDEA, ROBIN TELL, REFER TO THEM TO STUDY, BUT Y'ALL ALREADY HAVE AN OPINION ON IT.
OR, UH, THE, UH, THE JAR OF THE AREA THAT I'M REFERRING TO IS EITHER ARTICLE EIGHT, WHICH IS FULL RESIDENTIAL HALF-ACRE LAWS, 4 8, 5 AGRICULTURAL, WHICH IS FIVE ACRES.
AND THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO PRESERVE THE RURAL RESIDENT CHARACTER OF THE AREA THAT WOULD APPEAR ON THE SURFACE TO BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW FOR THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE LIGHT, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A NEGATIVE OPINION ABOUT US EXTENDING THE ETJ TO INCLUDE THEM OR THE DOWNSIDE.
NO, I THINK WHAT IT WILL DO IT.
I THINK WHAT THE COMMUNITY STATE VERY CLEARLY, UH, BACK A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE DOING ETJ EXPANSION, WAS THAT THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PRESERVING THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN PRESSURES AND NEWS IN RECENT YEARS TO START DOING, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.
I THINK THE RESIDENTS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
AND, UH, YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO MOVE TOWARD MOVING THAT BASICALLY IF WE GO ALONG THE ROCKY RUN ROAD AT 300 FEET AND JUST MOVED OUT ON THE BACK TO THE POINT, AND HE'S MADE A MOTION THAT THE PLANNING WHERE INSTEAD, I LIKE THAT QUESTION, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, OR PROBABLY IN PROJECT.
HOW, HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT THAT? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN, I THINK.
UH, THE NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND TALKED ABOUT IS A PRIMARY CONCERN.
UM, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON TIMING WHETHER OR NOT IT COMES IN ETJ PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED SUBMISSION TO BE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THEN AGAIN, EVEN IF THE SUBDIVISION IS APPROVED, UH, IT GOVERNED ON WHATEVER SITE IS IN PLACE.
AND SO, UH, WELL THE COUNTY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOO.
THEY'VE BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND, AND, UH, ANYWAY, I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THEY WOULD STOP THAT OR WOULD, WHAT WAS IT TOO LATE? IT WAS POTENTIALLY, IT COULD AND ALSO IMPACT THE STANDARD OF NON-RESIDENTIAL.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD AT LEAST IF I TO STOP DON'T YOU HAVE TO HAVE APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY TO EXTEND ATJ ALONG ST.
MARY'S HE'S TALKING ABOUT THERE, UH, TO EXTEND BEYOND ONE MOM IN THE, UH, COUNTY APPROVAL, UH, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN, IN LOOKING AT THE REQUESTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
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IF WE EXTEND OUR ONE MILE, WE'RE STILL CUTTING LOTS INTO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO GO UP AND FOLLOW A LOT LINE.AND IN ORDER TO FOLLOW A LOT LINES, THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ASK THE COUNTY FOR, UH, AUTHORITY TO GO BEYOND ONE MILE IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW NATURAL BOUNDARIES, CREATE SPARK DENIES, AND SO FORTH.
THAT WILL BE PART OF THE STUDY THAT MR. RYAN HAS, RIGHT.
I'M MAKING A MOTION THAT YOU DO.
ONE QUESTION, ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE VOTE, WHAT, HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT, UH, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN OUR E T J LINE, IF WE DO IT AND THAT, UH, RIVERBEND, UH, IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 17, WE COME UP AGAINST RIVER BDMS, UH, CTG.
AND, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING RIVER BAND WAS PROPOSING THEIR HCJ EXTENSION OF CROSS 17, A MATTER OF A FEW OR SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET.
YOU GOT, I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT.
MAINLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS MORE BACK OFF 17.
SO I THINK IT WOULD HAVE, OKAY.
DID HE NEED IT? JUST THE BOY, THEY WILL COME BACK AND TELL US, THEY CHECK WITH THE COUNTY, THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT SOUND LIKE PROBABLY DO IT AND THEY WON'T VOTE.
CAN WE HAVE A TASK TO GET
WHAT W WHAT DOES THE MOTION SAY? WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT WE ASKING MIKE TO DO TO PREPARE THE PAPERS FOR THE, OKAY.
SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU GOING TO START ASKING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO JUST LOOK INTO WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD START ASKING HOW LONG WHAT'S A, WHAT'S A TIMEFRAME.
UH, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING FOR THE TOTAL PROCESS.
UM, PROBABLY SECOND MEETING IN MAY.
WE COULD MAKE AN OFFICIAL, EXCUSE ME, BEFORE, WHEN WE MADE A FISH AND WE MUST'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON THAT ETJ ON
I DIDN'T NOTICE THE ABSENCE OF ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE.
THE PETITION STICKIEST, LAST CALL OF CITIZENS.
NOW WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS MOVE NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS WHAT MOST OF YOU UP HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ABOUT THE ORDINANCE YOU CONSIDER RESIGNING HAM HERTZ BOULEVARD, MOVE IT FROM NUMBER SEVEN, UP TO NEXT.
SO YOU ALL, LET ME CAN, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ON THAT.
SO YOU CAN GO HOME AND RE-ASK BY WEEK, STILL HASH OUT, SOME OLD MESS TO JOEL MALE BAYLESS YOU'RE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ALL THE MONEY.
IF YOU HAVE A TOY REQUEST TO RESOLVE A CLOUDY TRACK LOCATED ON AVERAGE, APPROXIMATELY ACROSS THE STREET FROM BURTON RETIREMENT VILLAGE, THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED R 10 AND WAS RESOLVED IN 1989 AT THE REQUEST OF ITS OWNER, WHO, UH, WAS UNDER CONTRACT TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO THE HOSPITAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NURSING HOME.
AFTER THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED IN 1989 TO C5 OFFICE IN INSTITUTIONAL, THE HOSPITAL DECIDED NOT TO CONSTRUCT THE NURSING AND THE PROPERTY OF BLADING UNDEVELOPED.
SINCE THAT TIME, THE SITE IS LOCATED BETWEEN SOUTH DUNBARTON ROAD AND THE STRIP DEVELOPMENT THERE, AND THE VILLAGE WOODS SEVENTH DIVISION, UH, RESIDENTIAL SEVENTH DIVISION, THE AREA IS A TRANSITION AREA.
IT'S A COMBINATION OF C5 OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL C3 ON THE RIGHT, THE LARGE VACANT AREA, YOUR WORD, RETIREMENT HOMESTEADS, AND ACROSS THE STREET, AGAIN, OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL AND R UH, THE AREA HAS DRAWN SOME CONCERN BY RESIDENTS WHO WORK WITH CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD OCCUR THAT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION
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THERE.AND THE BERM VILLAGE RETURNING ALL THE MATINEE HAS REQUESTED THE PROPERTY, BE REZONED TO REFER IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL, OUR TENANT ZONE, UH, MADE IT A RESIDENCE, HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT INAPPROPRIATE AND MAYBE POWDERED DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY OCCUR ON THE SITE.
THE DEVELOPERS, WHILE WE DO HAVE A DEVELOPERS POLL DEVELOPMENT NUMBER MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THERE, AND THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME RESIDENTS FROM, UH, WAS SEVEN DIVISION RESIDENTS FROM THE FARM VILLAGE, A NURSING HOME.
WHAT CONCERNED ABOUT
THERE ARE PROS AND CONS FROM BOTH SIDES.
THE DEVELOPERS FEEL THAT WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS GOING TO BENEFIT THE AREA WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE AREA.
SOME OF THE RESIDENTS FEEL THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AND INCREASE THE DESK.
WE WILL HOLD IT IN FRONT OF, OKAY, THE FOLKS THERE THAT ARE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP SO THEY CAN COME PULL UP AND TELL US WHAT IT IS.
YOU PROBABLY ISN'T I REMEMBER THE BOARD, MY NAME'S DANIELLA, AND I'M HERE ALONG WITH TWO FARMERS, RIVERDALE WAR, AND, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, BILL A 50 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THIS SITE.
IF I SEEM NERVOUS, PLEASE, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE I AM, I'M NOT USED TO GETTING UP IN FRONT OF A GROUP LIKE THIS AND TALK TO YOU IN THERE.
I BROUGHT SOME PROPS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU.
UH, SO I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO THERE.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT AND THAT'S OKAY.
AND THEN WE WILL SHOW YOU SOME OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD ON THIS FIVE ACRE SITE IS A 50 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH WE WOULD FINANCE WITH A COMBINATION OF CONVENTIONAL BANK FINANCING, UM, A HOME LOAN THROUGH THE NORTH CAROLINA, NORTH CAROLINA HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY, AND THE SALE OF LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS, WHICH AGAIN, WE HAVE REQUESTED, UM, THAT WOULD BE AWARDED THROUGH THE NORTH CAROLINA HOUSING FINANCE SITES.
I REALIZED THAT EARLY ON BEFORE WE ACTUALLY KNEW WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND PROPOSE TO BUILD THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX OR NOT, BUT THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER.
UH, THAT WAS A VERY NEGATIVE ARTICLE, UH, IN THE FACT THAT, UH, UH, IT, UH, ASSUMED THAT WHAT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO BILL WAS SUBSIDIZED HOUSING OR PROJECTS AS SO MANY PEOPLE KNOW IT.
UH, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ON THIS SLIDE.
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO BUILD ON THIS SITE ARE MORE APARTMENTS FOR MORE MODERATELY INCOME PEOPLE.
AND THOSE ARE PEOPLE UP TO 60% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME.
THE MEDIAN INCOME IN CRAVEN COUNTY IS $43,500.
WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS BUILDING APARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE HOUSED BY PEOPLE UP TO 60% OF THAT, A MAIL, WHICH IS $25,300.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUNG COUPLES WORKING CLASS FAMILIES IN THIS WHOLE, UH, THE, THE UNITS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE PROPOSING 25, 2 BEDROOMS, YOU THEN 860 SQUARE FEET.
THOSE UNITS WOULD RENT WITH UTILITIES FOR $429.
WE'RE PROPOSING NINE, 860 SQUARE FOOT, TWO BEDROOM UNITS WITH UTILITIES THAT WOULD RENT FOR $514.
WE'RE PROPOSING 16, THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH UNITS THAT WOULD RENT FOR $587.
THERE WOULD BE NO DEEP SIDES OF THE, FOR TENANTS.
THE SUBSIDY WOULD BE IN THE INTEREST BREAK AND THE TAX CREDITS THAT WE AS A DEVELOPER WOULD GET AND BE ABLE TO KEEP THE COST OF BUILDING THE COMPLEX AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
WE WOULD THEN PASS THAT ALONG, UH, BY BEING A WALL FOR THESE LOWER RENTS, WE HAVE HAD A MARKET ATLAS COME IN AND DO A MARKET STUDY FOR THE NEED OF THIS TIME FOR THIS TYPE UNITS.
AND, UH, AND UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE SOME OTHER PROPERTIES BUILT WITH THIS PROGRAM ALREADY HERE IN TOWN.
AND I HADN'T HAD THAT A SUCCESSFUL, UH, UH, ASSOCIATION WITH THAT.
IF THEY'VE BEEN GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
I CERTAINLY FEEL LIKE LIKELY BE GOOD FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.
UH, OUR MARKET ANALYST TELLS US THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR AS MANY AS 379 UNITS,
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UH, THAT WOULD RENT IN THIS PRICE RANGE.AND AS WELL AS HAVING THE MATCH, WE'LL MAKE TIMES WE KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT SOME MINIMUM INCOME RESTRICTIONS, UH, IMPLIES, WHICH WE WOULD SET.
WE FIGURE THAT IT'S REASONABLE TO EXPECT THE PERSON TO PAY UP TO 30% OF THEIR INCOME FOR RENT AND UTILITIES.
THEREFORE, WE'RE LOOKING AT MINIMAL INCOMES OF BETWEEN 17,020 $3,000, ROUGHLY WE'D GO LIKE THE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE PEOPLE LIVE THERE.
THAT GIVES US A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD BE RENTING TO IS NOT THAT LARGE.
BUT AGAIN, OUR MARKETING, WHAT THIS TELLS US TELLS US THAT THOSE PEOPLE WERE THERE, THAT THIS HOUSING IS NEEDED.
UM, WE'RE BUILDING NICE UNITS.
WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU OF THESE ACTUAL UNITS THAT ARE, THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN TWO OTHER LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE STUDY, UM, UM, THE GRASS ON THE LEFT AND WE USE THE, AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH ME WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM,
ONE IS WITH A BRICK, SAW IT COMPLETELY.
THE OTHER IS WITH A BRICK AND INSIDE.
SO BUILDING IS MORE LIKE THIS WITH THE BRICK AND SLOT.
INSTEAD OUR THREE HOUR TAX CREDIT PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR HAD JUST RECENTLY BEEN INSTRUCTED HERE AND STUFF.
BUT, UH, I KNOW ALL OF THE MANAGEMENT WENT IN TO SEE THE PICTURES OF PROPERTIES AND SIMILAR PROPERTIES, THE PROPERTIES ON THIS SIDE, OUR ACTUAL TAX CREDIT PROPERTIES THAT WE ADDED AND, OR MANNY
AND THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ALL BEEN OPERATION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE LANDSCAPE IS MATURED.
THEY DIRECT THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND
AND THIS IS THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
THE BOTTLE PROPERTY IS ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH FOR EIGHT YEARS IN PITTSBURGH.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE VERY PROUD THAT WE HAVE ARTIST RENDERING OF THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD ON THIS SLIDE.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A SITE LAYOUT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S AN EXISTING 60 FOOT ALONG AMBROSE BOULEVARD, WHICH OF COURSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT REQUIRED TO REUNITE.
THERE HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN OUR BILL.
WE CANNOT GIVE YOU THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEHIND THIS ABOVE WAS CLEARED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS
THIS IS LIKE A WOODED PARCEL OF LAND, UH, UNITS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HAVE THE AMENITIES OF PRETTY MUCH ALL THE LIVES OR APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN THIS DAY AND TIME.
THEY INCLUDE RANGES REFRIGERATORS WITH LIGHTS, MAKERS, GARBAGE DISPOSALS, DISHWASHERS, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO FIND IN ANY LIKES APART, THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT COST THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, SO THAT THE PER UNIT COST, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT JUST HARD CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS TOTAL DEVELOPMENT FOR YOU WOULD BE $72,474 FOR YOU.
THAT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE APARTMENT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, EVEN WITH THE COST OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD AND PROJECTS, WHICH A LOT OF FOLKS THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO AVAILABLE LATER ARE, FIRST OF ALL, THIS, THIS PROPERTY
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WOULD HAVE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.UH, IT'S NOT, NOT RUN BY MARTY.
AND ALONG WITH THAT, PRIVATE OWNERSHIP COMES PRIVATE MANAGEMENT.
I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN IN THE MANAGEMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BRIGHT TEEN YEARS.
UM, MY COMPANY, JIM MANAGEMENT AID, WHICH STANDS FOR GUNDERMAN, ALISON MELBOURNE, MY TWO PARTNERS IN THAT MILL MELLON'S HERE TO KNOCK.
TIM GUNN ARE MANY OR SELL HAVE, UH, BEEN ALL BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND WE MANAGE APPROXIMATELY 5,000 OF SUPPORTABLE UNITS THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST IN NORTH CAROLINA, WE'RE IN PEG OR NINE DIFFERENT STUDIES.
WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND WE'RE PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT PROPERTY.
WE WOULD, UH, WE WOULD WALK, WE WOULD HAVE NOT WALL.
WE WOULD HAVE ALSO, I READ MANAGER WHO WOULD BE THERE 24 HOURS A DAY.
WE WILL BE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THIS PROPERTY.
WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LET OUR INVESTMENT.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT FAMILY FIRST BOUGHT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, UH, WE WON'T PUT THE KIND OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH IN HERE AND NOT HERE.
THAT'S THE LAST, UH, THERE WOULD BE NO TENANT OF ASSISTANCE.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ONLY ASSISTANCE WOULD BE US AS THE DEVELOPER UNIT COST.
THE LOWE'S RENT THEM AT A REASONABLE, WE WOULD HAVE MINIMUM INCOME REQUIREMENTS.
IF A PERSON CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE AND CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THAT RENT, WE KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T LIVE THERE.
EVERY APPLICANT FOR THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WERE APPROVED WOULD HAVE THE FIRST PASS A CREDIT REPORT.
THAT'S A LOT MORE STRENUOUS THAN, UH, THE MANY OF THE BUSINESSES IN NEWBURN OR ANY OTHER TOWN.
UH, THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO, UH, HAVE A POLICE REPORT RUN AND WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT POLICE REPORT.
WE WOULD CHECK PREVIOUS LANDLORD REFERENCES AND, UH, WE SCREEN OUR TENANTS THOROUGHLY.
I HEARD SOMEBODY SLATED ONE CONCERNS.
RESIDENCE WAS AN INCREASE IN THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND I DIDN'T HEAR YOU MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
THE PROPOSED IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC.
WELL, WE, WE PROPOSED WITH 50 UNITS ASSUMING THAT EVERY RESIDENT BAYER HAD TWO CARS, THE MOST TRAFFIC WE COULD PUT OUT ON TO AMHERST BOULEVARD WOULD, WOULD BE A HUNDRED CARS.
IF THEY MAKE TWO TRIPS A DAY, 200 TRIPS.
CURRENTLY, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON THE STUDY OF APRIL, 1994, THERE ARE ABOUT 1100 CARS PER DAY ON THE AMHERST BOULEVARD BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6:00 AM AND 10:00 PM.
UH, SO, UH, WE WOULD, WE COULD ADD AS MANY AS, UH, 200 TRIPS A DAY TO THAT.
CAUSE Y'ALL DO, Y'ALL DO A STUDY ON IT.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT 180 APARTMENTS GOING UP IN THAT SAME AREA, PLUS THE MORE THAT THEY WANT TO PUT UP AND ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A VILLAGE WOODS, THAT ALL THAT TRAFFIC CAN BE ADDED IN THAT TOO.
AND UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRAFFIC ON GLEN BURNIE IS ABOUT A 22,800 CARS A DAY.
AND WITH 400 TRIPS FROM OUR PLACE, WE WOULD ASK THAT'S RIGHT.
UH, WHICH I GUESS, I GUESS MAYBE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT CAN SOUND LIKE A LOT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE USED TO DEALING WITH TRAFFIC STUDIES, LIKE WE ARE, AND SOMETIMES HAVE 80 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND CARS A DAY IS ALL RELATIVE.
WE WOULD UNDERSTAND WE DEVELOPED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT TALES OR, UH, WE WOULD ADD LESS THAN 1% TO, UH, THE TRAFFIC FLOW OUT THERE ON, ON GLEN BURNIE, BY THE WAY OF THOSE, UH, OF THOSE 1100 AND SOME CARS PER DAY, ALL OF THEM UP ON AMHERST BOULEVARD, 741 TURN.
I UNDERSTAND 400 SOME TURN LANES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MEANS ANYTHING, BUT IT'S THE STATISTIC I WAS USING.
THERE'S NO TRAFFIC LIGHT TRAFFIC.
LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF NUMBER ONE.
DID YOU, DID YOU FIND THE PROPERTY AND THEN DECIDED TO BUILD APARTMENTS? OR DID YOU WANT TO COME IN AND BUILD APARTMENTS AND YOU JUST FOUND THIS PROPERTY? NO WORDS IS THAT A, THE ONLY PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU WOULD LOOK BACK AND CONSIDERED? YES, IT IS.
I AM REVEREND DAVID MOORE FROM METROPOLITAN MEDIA DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IN WASHINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA.
I WAS LOOKING FOR PROPERTY THAT MEET ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT THIS, THIS PROPERTY DID.
YOU DROVE AROUND, WALKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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FIRST TIME ON OWNERSHIP.I'M ALSO VERY EXPERIENCED IN THE PARK.
UH, I LOOKED AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WALKED AROUND IT AND BY DETERMINING THAT THE AREA WAS ZONE AND THAT IF WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A, A SITE PLAN THAT THAT LOOKED GOOD, IT HAD TO BE CONDUCIVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAUSE UNDERSTAND.
I UNDERSTAND THE FEARS OF NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY, A LOT OF TIME AND RAISED FAMILIES.
AND I UNDERSTAND I, I HAVE A PASTOR OR A METHODIST CHURCH IN WASHINGTON.
UH, I'M AN ELECTED COUNTY COMMISSIONER IN BEAUFORT, CAMERON.
I UNDERSTAND THOSE SPEAKERS AND WHAT, WHAT I WANTED TO IMPRESS UPON THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS NOT A CHARLOTTE MANAGEMENT TEAM WANTED TO COME IN AND MAKE SOME QUICK MONEY.
I FOUND LANE AND NEGOTIATED WITH THE HOSPITAL ON THE OPTION.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE NEWSPAPER, UH, KIND OF JUMPED THE GUN AND MAYBE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO TO GET IN CONTACT WITH, BUT THEY KIND OF JUMPED THE GUN AND SAID IT WAS, IT WAS GOING TO BE THE LOW INCOME SUBSIDY PROJECT, WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING AT ALL.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A TAX CREDIT, UH, COMMUNITY.
IT WOULD ADD $28,000 PER YEAR IN TAXES THAT WILL BE PAID TO THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, DID YOU ALL MAKE THIS PRESENTATION? YOU SAY TO THE RESIDENTS, I SEEN MORE OR LESS THE ONES THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT.
SO EVIDENTLY IF THEY'VE SEEN THE SAME THING, WE'RE PROBABLY MORE THAN WE HAVE.
THEY HAVE AN OPINION AS YOU HAVE AN OPINION.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT ESPECIALLY THE GENTLEMAN, MADISON COUNTY COMMISSIONER, HE'S PROBABLY BEEN ON THIS SIDE OF THE FENCE THERE FOR MORE REASONS AND MORE, IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO GO THE OTHER WAY I TOLD HER.
UH, BUT I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN PEOPLE HAVE FEARS, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LIVE IN FEAR ALL YOUR LIFE AND FIND OUT RIGHT AT THE END THAT YOU WERE AFRAID OF NOTHING, BUT IT STILL DIDN'T TAKE THE FEAR AWAY FROM YOU ALL YOUR LIFE.
LIKE IT WAS A LIGHT AND IT HURT AND IT, UH, CAUSED.
SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S FEARS TO ME OVER IN THE US ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SELLING JOB IS UP TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SELLING THE PROJECT AND THAT'S YOU ALL, NOT US.
AND SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PUT INTO THESE SCALES, WHETHER YOU DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB.
WELL, I WON'T SAY WHETHER YOU DID A GOOD ENOUGH JOB, WHETHER THAT, WHETHER THEY ARE BOUGHT INTO THE PROJECT, SHALL WE SAY? AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY DISHWASHERS YOU GOT IN MAN AND SO FORTH, WE ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND APARTMENTS AND THAT THE RESIDENTS THAT COME OUT ARE GOING TO BE FINE PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME TO US, THAT THEY HAVE TO KIND OF DISPROVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE'RE USED TO PEOPLE DOING IT PRETTY DECENT JOB AT THAT, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, WELL, FOR AN EXAMPLE, THE, THE FOUNDERS OF THIS COUNTRY THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO BE, UH, AT PEACE AND SECURE IN THEIR HOMES, EVEN PUT ON A FEW LITTLE THINGS ABOUT PEOPLE COMING IN AND SEARCHING AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND I CAN SAY, IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU CAN'T COME HOME AND PULL THE CALVINS UP AROUND YOU, YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO WHERE ELSE TO GO.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THEIR HOMES FEEL GOOD ABOUT COMING HOME AND THAT THEY'RE SAFE AND SECURE IN THEIR HOME.
AND SO THEREFORE WE NEED TO FIND OUT HOW THEY, THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.
AND TO US, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN I WAS READING AT IT, IT IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
NO, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD TAKE DOWN THE PROPERTY VALUE TO CAUSE FEAR.
UM, THE FINGERS MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN'T HAVE.
I MEAN, YOU DO, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY.
ALSO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT AS A NEED FOR THAT HOUSE AND A NEW ONE, AND I, I FULLY BELIEVE IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT IS THAT THE ONLY PIECE OF LAND YOU LOOKED AT, IS IT A POSSIBILITY YOU CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? AND WE STILL HAVE THE HOUSES AND EVERYBODY WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, THERE WERE, THERE WERE THREE COMMUNITIES THAT, THAT SUBMITTED TAX CREDIT APPLICATIONS.
WE WERE RATED THE HIGHEST, WHICH MEANS MORE THAN LIKELY.
UH, WE HAD THE BEST SITE, WE HAD THE BEST PLAN AND WE HAD THE BEST PACKAGE.
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WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BRIEFLY, ON THIS LAND, THEN WE ARE DEAD IN THE WATER.THE PROJECT NEEDS, IT WOULD BE DEAD IN THAT LOCATION.
BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT GIVE US A CHANCE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT IF, IF, IF COUNSELOR AND RESONANCE LOOKED AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, OF WHAT WE INTEND TO ADD, RATHER THAN AS HE GETS TO TAKE THEM, ONCE, ONCE SOMEONE SAID, LOW-INCOME, THIS IS FULLY OUT OF HIS BANK, THAT, THAT SETS OFF ALL TYPES OF NEGATIVE IMPACTS THAT WE NEVER REALLY NEEDED.
BUT NOW WE'RE KIND OF FIGHTING AN UPHILL BATTLE TO FIND, TO, TO, TO, TO REASSURE THE RESIDENTS.
THIS IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE HIT AT ALL.
WE HAD, WE HAD A MARKET RING, A COMMUNITY THAT'S PLANTED, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS AND HAD SOMEONE CALLED ME OR HAD I KNOWN THAT I SHOULD CALL HIM MR. MADLY, BELIEVE ME, THAT, THAT, THAT HAD BEEN MY FIRST TIME.
I THINK THAT REALLY, THAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED, THAT KIND OF THING.
I WOULDN'T BE TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IT, A MISNOMER OR WHATEVER YOU THINK IN THE NEWSPAPER.
I THINK I WAS CALLED A SPINELESS WHEEZING ONE TIME.
AND SO PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF LET THAT DRIFT.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO SENSE AS A PUBLIC HERE AND HEAR FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE SOME MONET INTO, WELL, THANKFULLY I GOT THE IMPRESSION AND I HAVE EVEN BEEN TOLD IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING FOR THIS SIDE OF ED APARTMENTS.
BE LIKE, I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER OF SELLING OUR PRODUCT.
I THINK ANY HOUSING, ESPECIALLY MULTI-FAMILY THAT WE WOULD HAVE PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE WOULD HAVE BEEN A PAGE BY THE NIGHT.
UH, AND AGAIN, I'VE BEEN TOLD THIS MUCH THAT WE DON'T WANT APARTMENTS.
THEY ARE, WE WON'T THAT WOULDN'T MARRY AT THE BAY.
AND YOU KNOW, HOW CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? NO MATTER WHAT PRODUCT YOU CAN SHOW PEOPLE OR HOW GOOD YOU CAN CONVINCE PEOPLE, YOU ARE, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THEIR MIND.
I'LL HAVE TO, I'LL AGREE WITH THAT IF YOU HEARD THAT, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THIS BOARD TAKES THEM ON IT THAT SO, YOU KNOW, COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
SO IF YOU COME BACK, THAT'S WHEN IT MOVIE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY JUST DON'T WANT TO EVER SAY ANYTHING, THE WOODS THERE, I MEAN, YOU COULD HEAR MOST, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR.
I GUESS IF YOU WANT IT ON THE STREET, WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER YOURS.
I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO GET THAT POINT ACROSS.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER AS MUCH AS THE PRODUCT, EVEN THOUGH THAT THAT CERTAINLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, I THINK MAYOR, WHAT HE'S HEARD IS, IS, IS NOT TRUE BECAUSE AT THE OTHER END OF THE ROAD, I'VE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM WITH, WITH TWO DEVELOPERS TURNED DOWN, BUT FINALLY APARTMENTS WENT IN, BUT THE PEOPLE AT THE OTHER END WANTED THOSE APARTMENTS JUST BEING BUILT NOW AT THE OTHER END OF THE LAKE.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE ONES THAT ELECT US UP HERE TO REPRESENT THEM AND IN MY WARD, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DO.
I, I LISTED THEM TOO AND SEE WHAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE.
NOW, MR. MAYOR, THE VILLAGE IN THE WOODS HAS A REPRESENTATIVE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD IF YOU WILL COME FORWARD.
MR. GRADY, MY NAME IS MICHAEL
I AM DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR THE GREEN BAR CORPORATION.
WE MANAGE 32 INDEPENDENT AND ASSISTED LIVING RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES IN THE UNITED STATES.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LAST NIGHT AND MR. WALLACE AND MR. MELLON TO LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION THAT THE GEN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS CURRENTLY PROPOSING FOR THE SITE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM BERN VILLAGE.
FIRST TIME I HAD BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DEVELOP FOR A MULTIFAMILY USAGE.
LET'S DO THE SIGNING, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL AS CORRESPONDENCE THAT MY OFFICE AT VERNON VILLAGE HAD RECEIVED.
I THINK THAT THE ISSUE HERE, OUR CONCERNS AS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION, THERE ARE THREE.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE DEVALUATION OF OUR REAL ESTATE BASED UPON THE COMPARISON OF APPROXIMATELY $73,000 PER UNIT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX.
AND COMPARING THAT TO THE AVERAGE
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VALUE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN VILLAGE WOLVES, WHICH VARIES BETWEEN $115,000 AND $150,000 BERNARD VILLAGE IS A 150 UNIT INDEPENDENT ASSISTED LIVING AND SPECIAL CARE COMMUNITY IS VALUED AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER UNIT.HONESTLY, YOU CAN DO THE MATH.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM 30% DIFFERENCE VALUE PER UNIT COST OF DEVELOPMENT UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT DIFFERENCE VALUE OF THOSE HOMES, WHICH ARE IN YOUR VILLAGE.
I AGREE THAT WE, AS A SOCIETY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE ENVIRONMENTS FOR YOUNG FAMILY MEMBERS, INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE LIMITED INCOME.
UM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT LOCATION.
I BELIEVE THAT THE DEMOGRAPHIC MIX OF THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE THERE WITH, WITHOUT AN INCOME BETWEEN 17,500 AND AROUND 25,000, WE'LL FURTHER EVALUATE OUR PROPERTY.
OUR SECOND GREATEST CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH, UH, WHAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, AS IT RELATES TO THE IMPACT OF THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC INGESTED.
IT IS ALREADY OR INDIVIDUALS THAT ATTEMPT TO TURN SOUTH ON GLEN BURNIE FROM AMHERST BOULEVARD.
UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT DUE TO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE CLOSEST LIGHT, WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH OF THAT INTERSECTION, WHICH PROVIDES ACCESS TO IS TOO CLOSE TO ME TO INSTALL ANOTHER LIGHT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR OTHER CONCERNS ARE OUR THIRD.
IT IS DUE TO THE POTENTIAL OF ADDITIONAL CRIME, WHETHER IT BE ACTUAL CRIME AGAINST THE LAW OR A NUISANCE ISSUES.
AND I PRESENT TO YOU, THESE STATISTICS, THERE IS A, UH, THERE'S A COMMUNITY CALLED FOX CHASE THAT HAS 200 UNITS AND THEIR ASPAN ACCOUNT WITHIN THE PAST 14 MONTHS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN 137 CALLS TOBACCO COMMUNITY.
THIS IS BASED UPON STATISTICS PROVIDED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THERE IS ANOTHER SMALLER COMMUNITY CALLED PUNTER LANDING, AND IT'S ONLY A 48 CAPEX, BUT DURING THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME, 86 CALLS, THERE IS A, A NEWER COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT THE STATISTICS FOR THAT NEWER COMMUNITY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FULL ARE SKEWED, THAT'S A 48 UNIT COMPLEX, BUT IT'S NOT FULLY OCCUPIED IN THE WORD ONLY 11 CALLS.
WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO REALLY SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS DEVELOPMENT FEEL THAT NOT ONLY WILL OUR BUSINESS FOR OUR PUBLIC CORPORATION BE ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WE ALSO FEEL THAT AS I MENTIONED, THE REAL ESTATE VALUE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WILL ALSO BE DIMINISHED.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REFER YOU TO A LETTER THAT IS CALDWELL BANKER AND PARAPHRASING.
SHE WRITES IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT WHEN MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, THIS CONSTRUCTED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITIES, IT DOES HAVE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON THE MARKETABILITY OF THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS CONSIDERATION BEHALF OF THE VILLAGE WOODS ASSOCIATION IN BURT VILLAGE RETIREMENT.
SO CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION PLEASE? YES, SIR.
UM, I ASSUME YOU SEEM LIKE AN EDUCATED MAN.
I ASSUME YOU WENT TO COLLEGE, THEIR FIRST JOB.
WHAT WAS THAT FIRST JOB? AS SOON AS YOU GOT A CAR, WHAT KIND OF WORK WERE YOU DOING? PROJECT ARCHITECT? THE THIRD LARGEST ARCHITECTURAL FIRM IN THE WORLD MADE $12,000 A YEAR.
I'M TALKING TO MY SECOND QUESTION.
HOW MUCH DID YOU MAKE? YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT PROJECT AND I WAS KIND OF IMPRESSED WITH WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING.
I THOUGHT ABOUT HOW I USED TO GO TO DURHAM AND RALEIGH AND I SEE THESE KINDS OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND,
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AND PEOPLE, I KNOW THAT LIVE MINIMUM SCHOOL TEACHERS JUST STARTING OUT OR PEOPLE JUST GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE.THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO STAY.
PEOPLE JUST GET TO GET IN THE FIRST JOB THAT MIGHT BE SOCIAL WORKERS.
AND YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN BE OPPOSED TO A PROJECT OF THAT SCOPE, KNOWING THAT ALL OF US STARTED SOME SOMEWHERE.
AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE WERE JUST BEING SELFISH.
AND I TELL YOU, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I COMMITTED TO DO WHATEVER JAY IS WANTING WHENEVER HE WANTS TO SEE HIS WORLD, BUT, AND I'M GOING TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.
I'LL TELL YOU, BUT MY CONSCIOUS IS BOTHERING ME AND IT SHOULD BOTHER EVERY ONE OF YOU BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT PROJECT.
TO ME, SIR, I, I'VE NOT IMPLIED AT THAT PROJECT IS INAPPROPRIATE NOR HAVE I IMPLIED.
WE DO NOT HAVE A NEED SOCIETY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES GOING DOWN.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY STATISTICALLY, THAT IS THE CASE YOU ARE WITH YOU APPROVE THIS.
IT'S NOT SPOT ZONING BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR WHAT THEY WANTED FOR, BUT IT WAS FOR A NURSING HOME.
REGARDLESS OF THAT, IT'S ZONED FOR WHAT THEY WANTED FOR IT'S ZONED FOR WHAT THE HOSPITAL HAD HAD.
THE ZONING CHANGED TO, FROM WHAT EVERYONE WANTS WAS, THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
WELL, YOU THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MONTH THINKING ABOUT IT.
WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY ANY MEANS.
WE'RE JUST OPPOSED TO THE SITE SELECTION IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHICH IMPACTS ON NOT IN OUR BACKYARD, BUT ON THE ENTRANCE TO OUR DEVELOPMENT AND ACROSS, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MR. BRADY'S, UM, UH, TERRIFIC FACILITY, ONE OF THE PREMIER, UH, RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES IN THE SOUTHEAST.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PRESERVE THE PROPERTY VALUES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF COME HERE TONIGHT, WHO ARE INVESTED THEIR FORTUNES, SUCH AS IT IS IN THAT COMMUNITY.
AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 65 OR 70 MORE HOMES BUILT BACK THERE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
WE JUST DON'T WANT THIS FIVE ACRE TRACK, A ZONE FOR APARTMENTS.
IT MAY BE NOW, BUT WE WE'RE AFRAID THAT IF THAT FIVE ACRES GET ZONED FOR APARTMENTS, THERE'S 87 ACRES SURROUNDING THAT PROPERTY.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT PROPERTY? WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BASED ON WHAT MY, UH, NEIGHBORS AND THE PEOPLE IN MY WARD HAVE SAID, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ARE 10 OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES NOT APARTMENTS AND ALL I CAN SAY AGAIN, I'M GOING TO DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT I DON'T SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THOSE PLANS.
I CAN'T SEE THEM DIMINISHING THE VALUE OF THE HOUSES IN AREAS THAT THEY HAVE TOOK THIS JOB.
I SHOULD, I WAS GOING TO LOOK OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS IN MOM'S OR HOPEFULLY I WERE TRYING TO DO THIS.
LET ME, UH, MR. MADDEN THAT LONG, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I MEAN, REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE TO THE WHOLE THING IS TO FOLLOW IT.
NOT ALL OF US HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU.
DEVELOP YOUR PLAN WITH WHO YOU TRYING TO HOUSE THE GIBBONS.
AND THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS WHETHER YOU ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER THE PROPERTY VALUES GO UP OR DOWN.
I MEAN, PEOPLE CAN ARGUE THAT FROM NATIONAL DEAN'S DATA AND THE WAY TO FIND THAT OUT IS TO BUILD THEM AND THEN EVERYBODY SELVES AND THEN NOT BUILD THEM AND EVERYBODY SELL, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS, NO MATTER WHAT WE DID, IF WE OKAY BUILDING THOSE APARTMENTS, ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM FROM THAT AREA.
AND SOME PROBABLY THAT AREN'T HERE TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO GO AWAY FROM HERE WITH SOME HEAVY HEART IS A PSYCHE AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT THING FOR, FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
AND THAT'S WORTH, IN MY OPINION, A LOT TO PUT IN THE HUMAN SCALES OF HUMANITY.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE ANXIETY THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONVINCE ANYBODY, COME, YOU KNOW WHAT A HIGH WATER IS, THE PREACHER LEFT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE OF THAT IS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS IS HIGH DENSITY HOUSING IN AN AREA THAT WE ALREADY ARE CROWDED.
SO BY DEFINITION, WE'RE GOING TO CROWDED SOME MOBILE.
SO MY OPINION, AND I'M JUST ONE OF SEVEN BOATS AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS ONE VOTE, BUT MY OPINION IS I LIKE THE PROJECT FINE AND ALL THAT KIND OF BUSINESS.
BUT I THINK THAT LOCATION IS NOT A, IT'S NOT A GOOD SPOT WITHOUT CAUSING CALLS AND THE COSTS ME AND COST HUMANITY,
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EVENS AND ANXIETY, IF YOU WILL.AND THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, FOR MY OPINION.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT AN OPINION? ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON IT? I DIDN'T TOSS IT OUT HERE AGAIN.
I SAID, I'VE BEEN IN A LOT OF ZONING MEETINGS BEFORE.
I'M NOT VERY POLISHED AT THIS.
AND I'VE BEEN, I'VE HAD A LOT OF ZONING REQUESTS GO MY WAY.
AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF ZONING REQUESTS GOES AGAINST ME, BUT, UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEM THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE FACTS, THEY'RE FACTS, BUT WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS TO, FOR PEOPLE TO GET UP IN A MEETING LIKE THIS, UNTIL THINGS THAT I KNOW ARE NOT FACTS.
AND WHAT I KNOW IS NOT A FACT BASED UPON AN APPRAISAL RIGHT HERE FROM YOUR TAX ASSESSOR'S APARTMENT, THIS GENTLEMAN SAYS HE GOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PLUS UNITS ACROSS THE STREET.
AND HE'S GONNA LOOK AT THE APPRAISAL.
THEY'RE LESS THAN HALF THE UNITS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING A RETIRED.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
AGAIN, THE COST OF THE HOUSE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
WE'RE GOING TO BRING THE PROPERTY VALUES DOWN.
IT'S ALWAYS JUST LIKE, REMEMBER WHAT WAS SAID THERE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOTHING THAT CAN'T BE, I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE PROVED.
AND THE CRUCIBLE OF TAX SAY ALL YOU WANT THE NINE AND EVERYBODY CAN SAY ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT THAT ONE WON'T CHANGE IT.
I, I, THE FACT, YOU KNOW, AND AS FAR AS THE CRIME RIGHTS THAT HE TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE IN 18 COMMUNITIES THAT WE'D GONE BACK INTO THE SECOND TIME WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
LET ME CALM YOUR FEARS ABOUT THE BIG STATISTIC HE GAVE YOU.
IT JUST DIDN'T DIDN'T SOUND LIKE A WELL-MANAGED TAX CREDIT PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED.
UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT IF WE WERE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB WITH THIS HOUSING, WE'RE IN 18 OTHER COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE WE'RE PROPOSING TO COME INTO THIS ONE.
IF WE HADN'T DONE A GOOD JOB THE FIRST TIME, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD'VE LET US COME BACK THE SECOND TIME.
AND THE THIRD THING I'D HAVE TO SAY ISN'T IT DOES TOUCH ON THE HUMANITARIAN ISSUE.
AT SOME POINT IN TIME, EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS A SON DOLLAR NIECE, NEPHEW, GRANDSON, GRANDDAUGHTER, OR AT THE VERY LEAST A FRIEND THAT NEEDS HOUSING LIKE THIS, THAT THEY CAN AFFORD IT.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OF, UH, ANY NICE AREA WHERE ANY MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, ISN'T A PET, BUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS A NICE PROPERTY AND WE WOULD MANAGE IT WELL, AND IT WOULD NOT BE A DETRIMENT TO THAT COMMUNITY.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND, OR ANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HEAR.
UH, THEY SENT A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE WRONG VIEW DOCS.
THEY SAID WE GOT AN ADDRESS AT THE COURT HOUSE, OR THEY BEEN SENDING US A PACKAGE AND HE GOT, I WOULD ASK THE BOARD IF IT WAS CONSIDERED LAME DECISION AND COOL.
I FEEL LIKE IT WAS ME CRAMMED DOWN, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRIOR NOTICE IS DATED THE 31ST OF MARCH.
AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, I THINK WE NEED A 14 DAY NOTICE FOR SO CHANGES.
NORMALLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR THE GOOD BOY PLANNING.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT HIM TO GET CRAMMED DOWN THE ROAD THAT MR. PARROT, I CALLED YOUR OFFICE A WEEK OR SO AGO, SEVERAL MONTHS.
WELL, MAYBE EIGHT OR 10 DAYS AGO.
AND IT GOT YOUR ANSWERING MACHINE.
IT DIDN'T TALK TO ANYONE, BUT I LEFT A MESSAGE LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MEETING WE'VE LEARNED TO DISCUSS IT.
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NOT HAVE GOTTEN AN OFFICIALLY THROUGH THE MAIL, BUT I TRY MY DARNDEST THEN, UH, GOT YOUR ANSWERING MACHINE THE FIRST TIME.AND THEN SEVERAL TIMES AFTER THAT DIDN'T EVEN GET THE ANSWERING MACHINE.
SO WE DID TRY AND INFORM YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE THE MAJOR PROPERTY OWNER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT HAMMER'S BOULEVARD.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAD YOUR INPUT.
AND WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING LAST NIGHT, WHICH YOU WERE WELCOME TO COME TO, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? I GOT A MESSAGE AND I CALL
I CALLED YOU MUCH BEFORE THE LETTER CAME OUT, BECAUSE I WAS AWARE THAT THIS, THIS ONE, AND IF YOU DID NOT SAY WHAT IT WAS FOR, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AT THIS POINT, OR DO YOU WANT JUST STEADY? UH, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE ON 80 ACRES TO ROUND, I DO NOT WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW
YOU'RE NOT, I THINK OVERALL WHEN THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, WOULD BE YOUR NORMAL, UH, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I NEED TO SIT DOWN FOR NOW, YOU MADE YOUR POINT.
DO WE? I MEAN, WHAT CAN WE DO THAT? WELL, MR. MAN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THIS MAN, MR. PARIS, UH, THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINES I AM MAKING, I'M GOING TO DO WHATEVER JAKE SAYS FOR THE RECORD IS WARD AND WHATEVER HE WANTS, OF COURSE THAT'S THE WAY TO BEAT.
HOWEVER, I WAS THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME IN THE NEWSPAPER, I HEARD ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER.
I'M SORRY, I GOT NERVOUS BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS IN THE PAPER, OR WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM THIS.
OR WE DID HEAR FROM THAT, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ON THIS ONE, I'VE TALKED TO THAT ONE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD GIVE IT SOME MORE TIME TO ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO TRULY ABSORB THE KINDS OF THINGS ARE BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT.
WE'VE BEEN SHOWN TO SUGGEST THAT AS GOOD AS JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE CONSIDERED ALL OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, IF WE SAY NO, IF WE SAY NO, HAVE WE CONSIDERED MAYBE BUFFERS OR WHATEVER IT IS HAVE, ARE WE JUST SAYING NO, BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT IT.
I'M HEARING THAT, THAT WE DON'T WANT THESE KINDS OF APARTMENTS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AROUND THERE.
I'M VERY MUCH AWARE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE KIND OF HOMES THAT ARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'M WITH HIM, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF UNDERSTANDING, IF NOTHING ELSE, IF EVERYBODY HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE KIND OF ARGUMENT FOR THEIR CASE, YOU MIGHT SAY TO ONE ANOTHER AND GIVING IT COMPLETE CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE JUST SAY YAY OR NAY.
I WANT TO MAKE A SECOND HIS MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN TAKE THIS MATTER BEFORE THE PUBLIC.
SO YOU, YOU MADE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE CALL FOR THE QUESTION, PLEASE.
ALL IN
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A, UH, ON APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM BERN VILLAGE.
THAT WOULD BE, UH, AN INDICATION THAT THAT REST OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD ALL BE TURNED INTO APARTMENTS.
THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY FEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.
IF YOU WOULD TEND TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE APARTMENTS ADJACENT TO THEM, WE WANT TO PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY.
YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES ON 80 ACRES, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE THERE RIGHT NOW THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD CHANGE WITH THE APARTMENTS.
SO MY EMOTION NEXT, UH, IS TO, UH, ADOPT THE NEW ZONING CRITERIA, MAKING IT OUR 10 WOULD THAT FIVE ACRES IN QUESTION, WE WILL HAVE A SECOND.
WHAT WAS THE MOST THAT WE REZONE THE PROPERTY TO OUR 10, UH, WHICH IT WAS
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ORIGINALLY BACK IN 1989.THE SECOND PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THAT.
NO, SIR, NO, I'VE BEEN QUIET SO FAR, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
THERE IS A NEED FOR HOUSING OF THIS TYPE IS I TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT, BUT THERE IS A NATURAL HUMAN TENDENCY TO WANT TO MAINTAIN THE TOTAL INTEGRITY OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, MEANING THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE PRICE RANGE OF THE HOUSING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH IS A VERY EMOTIONAL THING WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE THE HOUSE THEY HAVE IS THEIR BIGGEST INVESTMENT, BUT YET IT'S TOUGH FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING THESE DAYS AS HAS BEEN EXPRESSED.
UM, AND I THINK THESE APARTMENTS WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION TO NEWBURGH.
I HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE TRAFFIC AND DUMPING MORE TRAFFIC ON TO AMHURST.
I'M STILL TRYING TO GET SOMETHING.
AS I SAID LAST NIGHT, TO CUT THE TRAFFIC OFF, GOING OUT TO GLEN BURNIE, RIGHT ABOUT BURNED VILLAGE ENTRANCE.
SO IT'LL BE ONE WAY IN, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO GO UP THROUGH THAT PARENT PROPERTY PARENT'S PROPERTY AND HIT ELIZABETH AVENUE TO GO OUT.
WE'VE GOT TO BE MORE SENSITIVE IN OUR FUTURE PLANNING OF THE INTEGRITY AND THE TYPE OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT, NOT RUIN, NOT TAKE A CHANCE ON DAMAGING PEOPLE'S INVESTMENTS.
NOW I DON'T PUT ANY STOCK IN THE, UH, THE BREAK STATISTICS WHATSOEVER BECAUSE I KNOW THAT A GENTLEMAN HERE IN TOWN WHO OWNS A LOT OF APARTMENTS, POP BEASLEY, A LOT OF YOU MAY KNOW HIM REQUIRES A POLICE CHECK, A CRIMINAL RECORDS CHECK.
IT'S REALLY CALLED, WHICH YOU GET FROM THE COURTHOUSE WHERE I THINK LIKE $5 DAYCARE CENTERS REQUIRE THAT OF DAYCARE WORKERS NOW.
AND THEY SAY THEY WOULD REQUIRE THIS.
AND IT GOES BACK QUITE A WHILE.
SO THEY WOULD NOT RENT WHEREVER THEY BUILT.
THEY WOULD NOT RENT TO ANYONE WHO HAD A CRIMINAL RECORD THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU 100% PROTECTION.
BUT I HAVE TO THINK HOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT HOUSES DOWN THE STREET HAD TO GO THROUGH A CRIMINAL RECORD CHECK BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE.
SO YOU WOULD AT LEAST KNOW THAT THESE PEOPLE IN THESE APARTMENTS HAD NO POLICE RECORD, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBOR.
THAT'S A FACT, THAT'S A FACT I'M SAYING I DON'T DON'T WANT, I DON'T.
I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT THEY HAVE INCLUDED.
THEN IT'S A GOOD THING TO POP BEASLEY INCLUDED.
AND IT'S SOMETHING I THINK SHOULD BE DONE FOR ALL.
APARTMENTS TEND TO BE OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE TRANSIENT NATURE.
SO FREQUENTLY, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE LAW, YOU MIGHT FIND THEM MORE QUICKLY IN AN APARTMENT THAN A HOUSE, BUT THAT'S THE WAY YOU WEED THEM OUT IS YOU CHECK THEIR RECORDS.
MY MAJOR PROBLEM, AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES.
MY MAJOR CONCERN IS THE TRAFFIC.
UH, A CHANGE IN YOUR PROPERTY VALUES IS NOT GOING TO KILL ONE OF YOUR CHILDREN, BUT THE TRAFFIC ON THE HAM HURST AND THE INTERSECTION OF GLEN BURNIE MAY.
AND I JUST, I THINK I WOULD HAVE FELT BETTER ABOUT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX.
HAD IT BEEN SHOWN TO US WITH THE EXIT GOING UP THE OUT THE OTHER SIDE AND INTO ELIZABETH AVENUE.
OF COURSE THEY DON'T OWN THAT PROPERTY, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY MADE ANY ATTEMPT TO EVEN BUY IT.
MAYBE THEY COULD BUY THAT PROPERTY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP HERE.
WE KNOW YOU HAD SURGERY AND IT'S TOUGH ON YOU.
THE HEARTBURN IS REPRESENTATIVE
UH, THAT'LL REALLY SOME OF THE TRACKING PROBLEM WITH WE'RE HEARING.
WELL, NOW LET ME FINISH WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.
ANOTHER THING IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE WOODS AND THAT PROPERTY, THAT OPEN PROPERTY BEING THERE, RESOLVE YOURSELF TO DEVELOPMENT IN THAT PROPERTY OF SOME KIND OF COURSE, YOU WOULD MUCH PREFER SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
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ME.HAVE YOU EVER MET ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDERS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT, UH, THIS, THIS IS NOT THE DEVELOPMENT.
I WANT TO SEE THERE AT THIS TIME, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, I, THIS, YEAH.
DO WHAT YOU WANT TO, APPARENTLY NOBODY ON THIS BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT, UH, I HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO SPEAK THAT YOU HAVE AND THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
SAY I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK WHEN YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT MEANS THE PUBLIC DOES NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
WE DISCUSS IT AMONG OURSELVES.
YOU MIGHT READ THAT BOOK SOMETIME, GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE.
LIKE I HAD A MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, YES.
I WISH I COULD, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, I APPRECIATE IT.
AND LOOK, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU BUILD IT.
THEY WENT LEFT WHEN I WAS SELLING
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I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT MOLD MORE FROM LESLIE.
AND THAT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION FOR CDBG HD.
THIS IS THE SECOND OF TWO REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO A BIG WINE SPILLS TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT LAST.
UM, BASICALLY WE HAVE
THE CITY ASKED THE CITY, IF YOU WANT TO WORK WITH THEM AND APPLY FOR HOUSING, YOU PAY A PART OF THE COST TO THE STATE OFFICIALS ON FRIDAY COUNTY BY THE APPLICATION, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US TO SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR $141,400.
UM, THIS MONEY WOULD COME FROM THE CITY WITH DEBBIE ONE TO DEVELOP, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SO REPAYMENT YOUR ENFORCEMENT PROJECT.
UM, 2% WE COME BACK ON THEN AFTER 20, 21 YEARS, THE, UM, THE BALANCE, UM, I'M GOING TO ADD
AND SCOTT'S BEEN KEEPING IN TOUCH AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE SINCE IT'S PUBLIC HEARING AND IT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR, OR AGAINST THIS? OKAY.
NOBODY PUBLIC HERE, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AND AS THEY HAVE SAID, THEY WOULD DO IN THE BEGINNING, UH, THAT THEY WOULD MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VIEW WHATEVER CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE MADE ON THE SITE.
THEY MADE THEMSELVES AVAILABLE THIS AFTERNOON, UH, NEAR THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT THEY COULD COME IN AND SEE WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
JUST TO DO THE APPLICATIONS AND THE DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED A VOICE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
NUMBER SIX IS THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT RESOLUTION FOR ANNEXATION OF 87.837.
THAT'S RIGHT DOWN TO THE FOOT ACRES.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TRAMP PARTNERS, LLC.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF DEVELOPERS OR ANY OPPOSITION MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OR ORDINANCE ORDINANCE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT? CALL THE ROAD MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
NUMBER EIGHT, PROBABLY HEARING ADOPT THE ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERING REZONING FIVE, 10.
THE STREET FROM OURS ARE 10 TO C5.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY? SO I HAVE SOME CALLS BEFORE I LEFT OPPOSING THIS.
ANYBODY HERE? LET ME ASK FIRST.
NO, THERE WAS SOMEBODY BEFORE US.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY I WILL OPPOSE NO I'M GOING TO BE ADOPTED OR RESILIENT ORDINANCE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE BACK? CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
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OH,WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WE CAN SET THE AGENDA.
MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
I LIKE TO MAKE THE NOMINATION OF APPOINTMENTS AND BRIAN TO THE HISTORIC HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
I'VE BEEN ASKED TO MENTION THE RELAY FOR LIFE CANCER AWARENESS, UH, UH, ACTIVITY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ON THE 23RD AND 24TH OF APRIL AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ON CLARENDON BOULEVARD.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT ACTIVITY IS NEEDED TO SHOW UP THERE IN THE AFTERNOON ON APRIL 24 AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ON CLARENDON BOULEVARD, WE'LL BE TOLD WHAT TO DO.
GROVER C FIELDS, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL ON JUST OFF CLARINET, MISS.
MR. UH, PARENTS DID HAVE A QUESTION THAT I TOLD HIM PROBABLY ONLY AL COULD ANSWER POLLING AND APPEAL THAT HE REALLY DOES DESERVE ANSWERS FOR.
I KNOW THE ACTION HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN OVER THE PROPERTY, BUT JUST TO LET HIM KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE RULE IS.
WELL, I'M CALLING
UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE'LL GET AT MARCH 31ST.
I DID NOT GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT WENT THERE 11 YEARS AND GRADUATED FROM MILITARY THAT DOES NOT A FULL THING DOES, OR WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN RESOLVE SOMETHING WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT NO, DIDN'T YOU SAY MARCH 31ST TO APRIL THE 13TH.
WELL, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT SHOULD, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR HANDS 14 DAYS.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN YOUR HANDS FOR 14 DAYS.
STATUTE REQUIRES ANOTHER PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER, WHICH 10 DAYS NOTICE THAT THAT WAS DONE.
ARE YOU GUYS FOR ME AS A CITIZEN, I HAVE TO SEND OUT CERTIFIED LETTERS PRIOR TO THE HERE.
LET ME TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS TOMORROW.
THE ACTION OF THE BOARD IS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN.
THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN ADOPTED, CHANGING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST TO SIT DOWN WITH AL AND LET HIM GO OVER THE ACTUAL ORDINANCES RULES WITH YOU.
WELL, I THINK EVEN IF THE QUESTION WAS 14 DAYS FROM MARCH, MARCH 31ST TO APRIL 13 IS 14 DAYS.
YES, IT WAS POSTED WHEN THE PROPERTY POSTED, BUT LEGAL, LEGAL OVER HERE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT'S LIKE YOU TRUST ME WHEN I, AND I KNOW MR. MAYOR, THAT MAY SEEM, YOU KNOW, ODD SINCE THE THINKING, BUT I DO FEEL THAT THIS IS THEIR OWN ANSWER.
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I AGREE.I HAVE TO, UH, YOU HAVE TO, ALRIGHT.
I KNEW YOU WOULDN'T MIND MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND I PASSING OUT, UH, SOME CHANGES TO THE CUSTOMER SERVICE POLICIES.
THESE CHANGES ARE ENUMERATED IN RED IN THOSE, AND IT'S NOT FOR YOUR ADOPTION TONIGHT.
IT'S FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT, UH, UNDER YOUR RESOLUTION THAT YOU ADOPTED, I CAN APPROVE THE CHANGES AND THEN THEY NEED TO BE RATIFIED BY YOU AT THE NEXT FOLLOWING MEETING.
SO I'M JUST POINTING THESE OUT.
MOST OF THESE ARE JUST VERY SMALL CHANGES IN WORDING.
THERE IS A NEW SECTION IN THERE ON A LOAD MANAGEMENT EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN THERE'S A FEW CHANGES TO SOME CONSUMER BASE FEES, NOT RIGHT, BUT SOME THINGS THAT WE CHARGE FOR DOING CERTAIN THINGS.
SO IF YOU'LL LOOK OVER THAT AND THEN WE HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO DO.
AND THAT'S THE NEXT ISSUE IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS WHAT, AND ONE OF THE TAXI OPERATORS, ONE OF THE FRANCHISEES HAD BEEN OPERATING WITHOUT HAVING PAID THE FRANCHISE FEES TO THE CITY STAND WITHOUT LIABILITY INSURANCE.
I'VE DISCUSSED IT G NEEDS TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO AS TO GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW A CARD FRANCHISE SHOULD NOT BE REVOKED.
CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT THE MEXICAN MEETING.
WELL, IT'S ECO STILL BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE UNTIL WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HERE.
WELL, CAN WE STOP HIM FROM OPERATING WHILE HE'S STILL OPERATING? THAT'S WHY WITHOUT INSURANCE, THEY SHOULD TAKE A TAX FOR NO INSURANCE.
WE NOT SURE IF HE DOESN'T HAVE INSURANCE NOW
IS THAT A HORSE? AND IT IS OPERATIONAL CAPABILITY.
WE REASSURED THAT HE'S GOT INSURANCE ON THIS VEHICLE.
ALL OPPOSED RIGHT NOW YOU NEED EXACT, AND NOW WE DO NEED TO GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, CONSIDER PROPERTY ACQUISITION.