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AND WE'LL OPEN WITH A PRAYER BY REVEREND RAYMOND WHITE UNITED MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
COME TONIGHT, LORD, FOR SAYING THANK YOU, LORD.
WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER DAY, LORD, THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED US TO BE YOUR FATHER.
LORD, WE ASK HIM TO FALL THAT YOU WOULD COME LORD BY YOUR SPIRIT FATHER KNOW THAT YOU WILL LEAD THESE LEADERS.
I MEAN, FOLLOW TO LEAD, TO SIT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
FATHER, LORD, WE ASK YOU THAT YOU CONTINUE TO BLESS THIS CITY.
YOU MAY BE A CITY LORD THAT MAY BE PLEASING YOUR SIGHT.
HEAVENLY FATHER, LORD, WE ASK YOU TO BLESS EVERYONE.
THEY HAVE COME TONIGHT TO MAKE UP THIS MEETING.
WE ACTUALLY DO ALL THESE THINGS AND THEY WERE THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST.
FIRST THING WE HAVE IS UPDATE REPORTS AND NUMBER ONE WILL BE THE CIVIL REPORT BY CITY ENGINEER, DAVID MUSE.
THE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED AT 95.9 MILLION GALLONS.
WE'RE ALWAYS WORRIED IN THE MONTH OF APRIL.
THE AVERAGE DAILY FLOW WAS 3.2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
THE, UH, UH, PHOSPHORUS QUARTERLY AVERAGE IS 1.87 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
THE, UH, REMOVAL EFFICIENCY, UH, FOR THE TREATMENT PLANT WAS 87.8% AND THE BOD EFFICIENCY REMOVAL WAS 92%.
ALL PARAMETERS OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT ARE WITHIN THE MPDS PERMIT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TOXICITY.
UH, WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE STATE THAT HAS ASKED US TO, UM, DO A STUDY ON TOXICITY, WHICH WE STARTED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
UH, THIS PAST WEEK I'VE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE STATE THAT IS ADDRESSING THE PROBLEMS THAT EVIDENTLY SEVERAL OR MANY WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA ARE HAVING WITH THE FLATHEAD MILLER TEST.
AND IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT WHAT PARAMETERS ARE CAUSING OUR PROBLEM, WHICH WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH DETERMINED THAT AMMONIA IS OUR PROBLEM AND THE PARTICULAR TREATMENT PROCESS THAT WE HAVE CANNOT REMOVE AMMONIA.
AND, UH, THE LETTER IMPLIES THAT IF YOU CAN'T MEET THESE TESTS, YOU GO THROUGH THE SIX MONTH EVALUATION PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW THAT THE STATE WILL ASK US TO ENTER INTO A SPECIAL ORDER OF CONSENT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTINUE DOING THE, UH, TOXICITY TESTING, BUT THEY WOULD STOP SENDING US NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS, UM, AS A RESULT OF FAILURE OF THE TOXICITY.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? IT'S KIND OF A MOUTHFUL ALSO.
UM, DO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPORT, THERE WAS SOMETHING SAID ABOUT POSSIBLY GIVING A REPORT ALL DAY, UM, MARTIN MARIETTA FOR WHERE WE STAND ON THAT.
UM, DOES, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO HEAR ANY OF THAT INFORMATION? BECAUSE REALLY THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT HAS CHANGED NOW.
I THINK IT'S ARE THESE PEOPLE YOU'RE DEALING WITH ON THE TOXICITY REPORT? DID THEY SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE YOU'RE DEALING WITH ON THE MARTIN MARIANA PROJECT? I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THE OTHERS ARE DOING.
UH, REALLY KNOW THAT THE MPDS FOLKS ARE TOTALLY SEPARATE.
THEY ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, TO FINAL EFFLUENT GOING OUT YOUR PLANT AND THE PARAMETERS THAT THEY GIVE YOU IN THE MPDS PERMIT.
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THE EVIDENTLY THERE IS NOT JUST THAT PARTICULAR TEST IS NOT ONLY GIVING US PROBLEM WITH US, BUT GIVEN A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBLEMS. AND, UH, THEY HAVE GONE TO A SECOND TYPE OF TEST THAT YOU ALLOW YOUR EFFLUENT TO GO THROUGH THIS SECOND TYPE OF TEST AND EVEN AN EXTENDED PERIOD TEST.UM, AND IF THOSE ALL FAIL, THEN THEY ASK YOU TO DO A SIX MONTH EVALUATION TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S, UH, SOME SORT OF TOXIN, WHETHER IT'S A CHLORINE, WHETHER IT'S AMMONIA, WHICH IN OUR CASE, WE BELIEVE IT'S AMMONIA.
BUT TO EVEN SHOW YOU HOW FICKLE THAT IS, WE PASSED OUR LAST TOXICITY TEST WITH THE HIGHEST AMMONIA GOING OUT OF THE PLANT.
AND WE'VE HAD, UH, THE LAST THREE TIMES WE FAILED.
SO THAT'S HOW FICKLE THE TEST IS.
AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S REALLY A, A VERY SCIENTIFIC TEST, BUT THAT'S THE BEST WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
EVIDENTLY THEY'RE NOT EITHER OR WOULDN'T BE THAT'S RIGHT? YES.
BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE AWARE THAT, UH, THAT THEY WERE GETTING READY TO RENOVATE THE PLANT ANYWAY.
THAT SAME SECTION IS THEY DO SPEAK WITH EACH OTHER.
IF THEY DON'T, THEY KNOW THE LAWS COMING UP WELL IN RALEIGH, YOU NEVER KNOW IF THE PEOPLE ON ONE SIDE OF THE HALL SPEAK TO THE OTHER PEOPLE, THEIR MATH, THOSE ARE THE SAME BUCKETS WITH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS MINDLESS WOMEN WHO REPORT RECREATION.
THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH TO SAY, AS YOU MENTIONED ON SATURDAY, UH, WE DID NOT, WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE GRANTS THAT WERE FUNDED ON MAY THE SEVENTH IN THE MEETING IN RALEIGH.
HOWEVER, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER MEETING ON JULY THE 14TH.
AT THAT TIME, THERE'S TWO MIL WRITTEN, $2 MILLION WILL BE APPROPRIATED FROM THE MONEY THAT CAME IN IN THE FOURTH QUARTER AND THE REAL ESTATE TRANSFER TAX.
SO IF STILL TRAIN, HOWEVER, UM, OUR RECREATION CONSULTANT TOLD THE CITY MANAGER NINE TODAY THAT NONE OF THE LOCAL ONES IN HIS DISTRICT, EXCEPT A LITTLE WASHINGTON FUNDED CARTERET COUNTY, MOREHEAD CITY HAVE A LOCK AND NEWBURN.
NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN FUNDED YET, BUT WE STILL, AS I SAY, HAVE A SHOT IN JULY, ALL OF THOSE PLACES AND PUTTING IN FOR A POOL, IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL OF THOSE PLACES, PUTTING THEM FOR A POOL ALSO, OR JUST DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
ARE THEY ALL POOLS? IN OTHER WORDS, YEAH.
THEY'RE APPROVED THE ONES THAT WERE PICKED ON THE SEVENTH.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHETHER EVERYBODY WAS GETTING FOOD.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN HELP YOU WITH? WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP LATER.
THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE HERE WITH MY MIGHT NOT BE ABOUT POODLES.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND NEXT WE HAVE THE SOMETHING NEW FOR US AND THAT'LL BE ON, UH, MARINE CORPS, AIR STATION, CHERRY POINT, UH, COMMUNITY RELATIONS REPORT TO KIND OF BRING US, GIVE US A SHORT UPDATE OF WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN.
SO WHERE IS THAT INDIVIDUAL? WE COULD MAYBE MOVE ON, NOT HERE.
UH, NEXT THING WE HAVE TO EXTEND THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION IN ROCKY RUN STAKING ROOM.
WHO'S GOING TO GIVE US THE LITTLE UPDATE.
HOW ARE YOU ALL THE SAME? THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE SCHEDULED THIS EVENING ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, WHICH IS THE ROCKY RUN, EXTRATERRESTRIAL EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION EXTENSION.
UM, AND THE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO STAY IS THAT THIS FIRST PUBLIC HEARING DEALS SOLELY WITH WHETHER IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO EXTEND THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION PERIOD, THE ZONING AS A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE CAN KIND OF KEEP THOSE TWO THINGS SEPARATE AND THE DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, AND THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, THEN THE, MAYBE IT'LL FLOW.
UM, FIRST OFF, WHAT EXTENSION OF THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION MEANS IS THAT THE CITY MAY EXERCISE, LAND, USE REGULATIONS, INCLUDING ZONING SUBDIVISION, AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND THE AREA THAT THIS JURISDICTION IS A DELANIA THE ADVANTAGE TO THE CITY FOR THAT IS THE COMPATIBLE LAND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS WITH THE EXISTING, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
THE ADVANTAGE TO THE RESIDENCE IS SOME LEVEL OF PREDICTABILITY
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ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND A VOICE IN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THEIR COMMUNITY.GENERALLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE EVERYONE CAN SEE, BUT A LOT OF FOLKS CAN SEE, UM, THE AREA THAT THAT WAS DELINEATED TAKES IN WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THE LARGER ROCKY RUN AREA AND THE STATE AND ROAD AREA.
AND WE JUST POINT OUT SOME LANDMARKS.
GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, IT INCLUDES 90 SOME PROPERTIES AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 650 ACRES IN THIS AREA.
UH, THIS PROCESS BEGAN WITH A REQUEST FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY.
UM, ON APRIL THE EIGHTH, THE COMMUNITY REQUESTED THE COMMUNITY QUEST HAVE A MEETING WITH THE PLANNING STAFF AND THAT MEETING WAS HELD.
FIRST MEETING WAS HELD APRIL THE EIGHTH, UH, AT WHICH TIME THEY DISCUSSED THE EXTENSION OF THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION AND GAVE THE COMMUNITY JUST GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANT AND WHAT KIND OF PROCESS HAD TO BE UNDERTAKEN.
UH, APRIL 13TH, A GROUP OF PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS CAME TO THIS BOARD TO THE BOARD OF OTTOMAN AND REQUESTED THAT THE CITY MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT PROCESS ON APRIL 20TH, THE STAFF, UH, APPEAR BEFORE THE CRAVEN COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND REQUESTED THE COMMISSIONERS TO ALLOW THE CITY TO EXTEND BEYOND THE ONE MILE AREA, ALLOW STATUTES, UH, TO GO BEYOND THAT ONE MILE AREA, AT WHICH TIME THE COUNTY BOARD DID PASS RESOLUTION, ALLOWING US TO DO THAT MAY 4TH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MET DURING THEIR REGULAR MEETING.
THEY TOOK PUBLIC COMMENT AND MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO THIS BOARD, UH, THAT THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION EXTENSION, THE PROPOSAL WAS SUBMITTED, BE APPROVED OR CONSIDERED BY THIS BOARD.
AND ON MAY 12TH, UH, AGAIN AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THE PLANNING STAFF HAIL ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING AT WHICH THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION AND THE INITIAL ZONING WERE DISCUSSED WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESONANCE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE FIVE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED TO YOU WHERE THIS PROPOSAL WAS DISCUSSED AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL STATUTES, UH, WE MAILED, UH, UNDER FIRST-CLASS MAIL NOTICES TO ALL AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THIS AREA, UM, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL STATUTES REQUIRE.
WE HAVE, UH, RUN ADS IN THE NEWSPAPER, MAY 7TH ROUTINE.
WE HAD WALK ADS WHICH RAN AND NON-LEGAL SECTIONS.
PLUS WE HAVE POSTED THE COMMUNITY VERY ADEQUATELY, UH, ADVERTISING THIS MEETING TONIGHT, SO THAT FOLKS KNOW ABOUT, UM, THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE TONIGHT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUIRED UNDER THE NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL STATUTES.
UM, AND JUST TO REPORT TO THE BOARD, THE RESPONSE THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE COMMUNITY OUT OF THOSE FIVE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, UM, SO FAR WE HAVE ONLY HAD ONE NON-RESIDENT PERSON COME FORWARD WHO WAS OPPOSED TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROPOSAL.
UH, WE HAVE HAD ONE RESIDENT PERSON, AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTIVE DISTINCTION.
AS YOU HEAR FOLKS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS, EVEN FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE AREA, UM, HAVE SHOWED UP TO ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WHO OPPOSED, UH, OUT OF ALL THE LETTERS THAT WERE SENT, ALL THE SIGNS THAT WERE POSTED, UM, I'VE HA HAD ONE CALL FROM ONE PERSON WHO WAS OPPOSED AT A NON-EXEMPT PROPERTY.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AND, UH, OR YOU CAN GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, OKAY, THAT'S THE APPEARANCE HE HAS FROM THE LETTERS THAT WERE SENT AND ALL THAT TYPE OF THING THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WERE FOR IT, I'D LIKE TO, TO START OFF WITH THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE HERE IN THE MIND THAT ARE AGAINST HIM, DID COME UP AND TELL US WHY THEY WERE AGAINST.
CAN YOU JUST ASK THOSE THAT AGAINST IT AND STAND UP? I STILL WANT TO HEAR THEM, BUT I JUST WANT TO SEE, I MEAN, WHOEVER WAS AGAINST IT, HE'D LIKE YOU TO STAY IN
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UM, I'M CHARLIE SIMMONS, UH, A COMMUNITY LEADER, AND I HAVE A DOCUMENT FOR THAT.WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS? 2, 2, 1 8 TUSCARORA ROAD, NEW BERN, NORTH CAROLINA.
ARE YOU IN THE FACT THAT TERRITORY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I SAY, DO YOU LIVE IN THE, THE AREA? AND MRS. UH, SAID THAT IT PUPPET HERE.
SHE SAID THAT, THAT THERE WAS ONE PERSON.
WELL, AT THE, UM, APRIL, THE, THE
MR. BEADY DOES NOT LIVE IN ROCK.
HE DOES NOT LIVE IN, DID PROPOSE E T A
THE WORD OF GOD, I TELL YOU THAT GOD WAS IN SOULS, THAT HE'LL LIE AND I'M NOT ALIVE.
UM, ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UH, APRIL THE EIGHTH IN THE COMMUNITY, I'M NOT SURE WHO INVITED MR. JORDAN AND MR. AVERY THERE, BUT AT THAT MEETING, THERE WAS ONLY FOUR OR FIVE PROPERTY OWNERS AT THAT MEETING.
WHEN I SAY PROPERTY OWNERS, I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT HAVE RECORDED THESE AT THE DEEDS OFFICE, AND THERE WAS ONLY FOUR OR FIVE THERE.
AND FROM THIS FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE, UH, MRS. UH, MR. AVERY WEAPON FOR THE, UH, UH, UH,
NOW YOU CANNOT TAKE SIX PEOPLE UP FOUR OR FIVE IS SITTING IN REPRESENT 97 PEOPLE.
UM, AT, UH, THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING, THERE WAS TWO PEOPLE SPOKE, ONE FOREIGN AND ONE, ONE AGAINST MR. HERON.
HE SAID THAT HE HAD NEVER HEARD OF HIS THING ABOUT OPPOSITION OUT THERE.
EXCUSE ME, MS. SIMMONS MAY OR MAY I BRING TO ATTENTION, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED YOU, MR. SEMI, I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT WE NEED TO GET TO THE POINT.
THE POINT IS, WHAT ARE THE REASONS WHY YOU DO NOT WANT ETJ? UM, CALM DOWN.
THE REASON WHY WE DON'T WANT TO, I HAVE BROUGHT A PETITION HERE WITH THE PEOPLE NAME ON IT.
SAY THEY DO NOT WARN HIM IN ARGUMENT.
YOU CLERK TAKE THE FAMOUS, UH, LIST PEOPLE.
YOU WON'T GET, IS THAT, UH, IS THAT THE SAME PEOPLE IT'S ON THIS OTHER LIST? UH, THERE ARE TWO OF THEM TODAY, WHICH I DIDN'T GIVE YOU.
I DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE WHOSE NAMES ARE RECORDED.
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THESE PEOPLE ARE AGAINST, UM, MR. SIMMONS, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.IT JUST SAYS, UH, ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WERE AT THAT MEETING.
UH
I ASKED YOU TO GET TO, TO THE REASONS WHY
MR. FREEZE, YOUR QUESTION, HOW I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD ANSWER ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS GET TO THE REASONING.
ALL I NEED IS A YES OR A NO, IT JUST SAYS, UH, THERE WAS A MEETING THERE.
AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE SIX PEOPLE AT THE MEETING THAT, THAT, UH, UM, OUR PEOPLE ATTENDED.
I DON'T, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THIS MEETING.
WERE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE AT THIS MEETING.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE? HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THIS MEETING? UM, NO, I THINK NO, IT'S IT SAYS THERE WAS A MEETING.
THE ROCKY RUN COMMUNITY MET AT THE AME ZION CHURCH AND ACCEPTED THE RESIGNATION.
SO-AND-SO SO HOW MANY PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING? OH, I GUESS THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
WELL, BUT I WANTED TO COMPARE ONE MEETING IT'S DATED 1995.
WELL, IN OTHER WORDS, THIS MEETING THAT, THAT IS MENTIONED HERE WAS HELD IN 1995.
AND THERE ARE SEVEN NAMES ON IT, CORRECT? THIS ONE SAYS, WE AGREE FOR MR. CHARLIE TO REPRESENT US.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT ALL I'M GETTING AT IS THE DOCUMENTATION FOR YOU TO BE THE SPOKESPERSON FOR ALL THE PEOPLE ON ROCKY RUN AS A TOTAL OF SEVEN SEGMENTS, ARIZONA.
THERE, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU
ALL I'M SAYING IS YOU GIVEN ME A SHEET THAT HAS 7 1 2, BUT I'M JUST TAKING ONE PIECE AT A TIME.
IS THIS WHAT MAKES YOU THE SPOKESPERSON? NO DOCUMENT IS JUST GET UP.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WANT THIS SIGN THAT SAYS, I CAN'T GO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE SAME, BUT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING YOU, THESE QUESTIONS IS FIRST OFF, YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA.
AND I WAS ELECTED BY THE WELL, I GUESS IT'S THE GENERAL STATUTES GETTING AWAY.
THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION.
IF WE CAN, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE INITIAL QUESTION.
WHAT ARE THE REASONS WHY THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT DO NOT WANT ETJ? THAT'S IT GIVE ME YOUR REASONS, MR. SILVAS PLEASE.
UM, PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES, THEY HAVE THE CONSTITUTION.
UM, MR. UH,
AND THEN I WENT BACK AND TOLD, WELL, YOU HAVE A CHOICE.
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IT.IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE SIZE AND YOU DON'T WANT IT, IF YOU WANT IT, IF THE CITY DEAL, YOU GET T THAT THEY WILL NOT PUT THIS IN THERE.
THE NEW SIGN THAT IN BAY SHORE, WHAT ARE THE REASONS WHY THEY DO THAT ONE? YEAH, THEY HAVE THEIR PERSON TO REASON.
MR. IS WHY WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN TO US WHILE WE SHOULDN'T DO IT.
AND I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO IT.
THERE'S A LARGE COMING HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT.
THERE ARE SOME HERE THAT DON'T WANT IT.
AND THE ONES THAT DO NOT WANT IT SEEM TO BE IN THE
IT WASN'T STOOD UP AS THE SEVENTH.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE HAVE TO GO BY THE LAW.
AND THE LAW TELLS US TO PROCEDURE.
AND I THINK THE LADY EXPLAINED THE PROCEDURE SAID NINE, EIGHT LETTERS WENT OUT, IS THAT CORRECT? WE CAN'T MAKE UP THE PROCEDURES.
WE CAN'T DECIDE WE GOING TO GET SO MANY PIECES NAMES ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND THIS AND THAT.
WE GO BY THE LAW AND TO ASK US TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE LAW IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SWORN RIGHT UP THERE WITH OUR HANDS ON THE BIBLE THAT WE WON'T DO.
AND SO, THEREFORE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THERE DOING THE PROCEDURE THAT WE'RE DOING.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'D RATHER DO IT, OR YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT OR WHATEVER WE'RE SWORN TO DO IT.
MR. MAYOR, YOU WENT BY THIS AMAZE THAT MR. HARRIS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU, AND WITH THOSE NAMES YOU RECOMMEND TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONS TO, UH, EXTEND THE ETJ BEYOND WHAT YOU WENT BY THE NAMES TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY.
I'M STILL NOT YOU SAYING YOU'RE NOT GOING BY.
I'M SAYING WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT WAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO SAY WHETHER THEY WANTED IT OR NOT.
WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IN THE CONSTITUTION.
PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO PETITION THEIR GOVERNMENT.
YOU ARE TELLING ME THEY CAN'T SIGN A PETITION AND GIVE IT TO YOU.
WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO STOP AND CHECK OUT ALL THE NAMES AND SEE IF THEY ARE ON THE LIST OF 90 AND SEE IF THEY, WHY THEY DIDN'T SEND THAT LETTERS? THEN WE CAN DO ALL OF THAT.
IF YOU'D LIKE, IF YOU WANT THAT TIME TO DO IT, DO IT WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT DON'T BRYCE THROUGH IT AND APPROVE, BUT ETJ BEYOND, UH, W UH, BECAUSE, UH, BASED ON, UH, EIGHT PEOPLE ATTENDING A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, B YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, UH, SIX, SEVEN PEOPLE OR 10.
AND THEN YOU SAID THAT THE PEOPLE COME THROUGH,
YOU HAVE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE NOT GET NO MESS.
WE HAD 90 LETTERS THAT WENT OUT AND IT'S BY THE LAW.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.
YOU NEED TO TELL US, MAKE THE POINTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, BECAUSE WE WERE NOT BEING VERY POLITE.
AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID, NOW HIT, IT MAY WANT TO SPEAK.
I'M GIVING YOU THE PETITION HERE OF THE PEOPLE.
AND YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE AGAINST IT.
I'M SAYING, AND THEY HAVE, IF THEY WANT TO COME UP NOW AND GIVE THEIR REASONS THEY CAN, BUT THERE ARE BEEN A LOT.
UH, THEY WANT TO LIVE THEIR OWN LIVES.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT, THE LAND ZONE.
THEY WANT TO LIVE PEACEFULLY AND THE GIRL CHARACTER, AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE CONTROLLED BY A ZONE OF THE CITY, WHICH TIME THEY FEEL THAT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO SIT IN HERE.
DID THEY WAS SIGN A PETITION OR REQUEST THAT YOU COME AND TAKE THEM AT THIS TIME, THERE IS NO BUSINESS THREAD IN THAT ERA.
THERE IS NO BUSINESS IN THAT PROPOSED ETJ AREA.
AND THEREFORE THE PEOPLE THEY WON'T BE LEFT WITH LONG AS THEY ARE NOW, THIS IS NOTHING UNUSUAL PEOPLE FAR AGAINST MY PLEASANT HILL 50TH.
SO IN CLOCK, SO THIS, THEY DO IT ALL OVER THE NATION.
THEY DON'T ATTACK ME AS I'M COMING OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE NOBODY HAS ATTACK MR. SOMEONE YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
BUT YOU HAVE MR. B SPEAKING, HE'S NOT EVEN LIVE WITH SATISFIED THAT YOU REPRESENT THE PEOPLE ON THIS PAPER.
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YOU SAY HE LIVED IN THE EIGHTIES.YEAH, WE DIDN'T SAY THAT HE LIVES IN ROCKY RUN IN THE EXISTING MISSISSIPPI.
LET'S GO ROW BY ROW ON THE S I GUESS THAT WAS EVERYBODY ON THE FRONT ROW IS FOR OR AGAINST IT.
HOW ABOUT ON THE SECOND ROW? I'M JANE DONE? I WANT A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THIS PROPOSED AREA.
I'M PROBABLY TOO CORPORATE OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MY HISTORY OF THE SITUATION.
IN 1997, I AGREED TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THIS AREA.
AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DEAL WAS WITH APA.
IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL OWNER, CAME TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND ASKED THIS AREA TO BE ZONED COMMERCIAL HOURS BUYING.
AND HE WAS TOLD THAT THE CITY DID NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER 19 ACRES, A PIECE OF LAND I WAS DOING, BUT THEY HAD CONTROL OVER THE THREE ACRES.
AND THEY WOULD REASON THAT, WELL, THEY WOULD TAKE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF BEING REDESIGNED, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OBJECTIVE.
I WENT AHEAD AND BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
I SAID, WELL, I WOULD DO LIKE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, WHICH WAS A SAN FRAN TO A RESIDENCE I HAD DONE IN, IN NEWBURN, UH, JIMMY'S CREEK, WHICH WAS VERY SMALL LOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, NICE 75 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR HOUSES.
AND WE WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD PROCESS AND THEY TOLD ME THE SAME THING THAT THEY COULD NOT RESIGN THIS 19 ACRES.
THEY'D HAD NO CONTROL OVER IT, BUT THE THREE ACRES THEY WOULD BRING FOR THE BOARD AND IT'S AT SUCH TIME, THEY DID.
AND THEY WERE PROBABLY 15 TO 20 PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY AT THE MEETING, ALL OF THEM, EXCEPT FOR ONE PERSON, MR. SALMONS SAID THAT THEY AGREE WITH MY PLAN, BUT MR. SALMONS CONVINCED THE BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, I COULD NOT DO THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID OF MOBILE HOME, WHICH I TOLD THEM THAT I'M NOT IN A MOBILE HOME BUSINESS, I'M IN THE HOUSE BUILDING BUSINESS, AND EVEN HAVE THE BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD REJECTED MY PLAN AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN BASICALLY THEY TOLD ME THAT THIS AREA WAS NOT READY FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR ANOTHER 10 TO 15 YEARS.
SO I SAID, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.
I WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND DEAL WITH MY 19 ACRES AND FORGET THE THREE ACRES IT'S NOT IN THE SCENE AND DO, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE SUBDIVISION THAT I HAD PLANNED BEFORE, WHICH WAS, UH, JUST DO A LITTLE DEVELOPMENT WITH, WHICH WAS ALLOW COMMERCIAL B, A DECISION, WHICH I'M TALKING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS, OR WAREHOUSES, MANY STORES AND THINGS LIKE THIS.
I DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS IS DETRIMENTAL TO THIS ROCKY RUIN AREA AT ALL.
AND IT WOULD PROBABLY HELP THEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, DOING SMALL BUSINESSES AT THE BEACH, MAKING SOME, SOME JOBS PEOPLE, BUT ALSO IT'D BE PROVIDING A PLACE WHERE A SMALL BUSINESS CAN BUY A LOT.
AND IN THE CITY, THERE ARE NEW PLACES IN THE SEASON.
YOU'VE BEEN TO BUILD COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, TO SIP ON THE MAJOR STREETS, WHICH LAND IS, YOU KNOW, IS JUST DETRIMENTAL TO OPEN A BUSINESS.
AND YOU GOT TO PAY TWO, $300,000 PER ACRE LAND.
CAN YOU KIND OF GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHERE YOUR PROPERTY WOULD BE LOCATED? OKAY.
THERE'S ABOUT 17, 1800 FEET OUTSIDE OF ME.
SO YOUR PROPERTY EXCESS ROAD WOULD COME OFF OF ROCKY RUN ROADS.
ANYHOW, UM, APPROACH TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND SHOWED THEM MY DEVELOPMENT.
THEY SAID, BASICALLY, EVERYTHING IS ALL RIGHT WITH THEM.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, THEY HAVE NO ZONING IN THE COUNTY.
SO THEREFORE THEY SAID THAT THEY REALLY COULD NOT SAY ANYTHING.
I CAN DO MY DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY HAD TO GET ALL THEIR I'S
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DOTTED AND T'S CROSSED.AND ONE OF THE ITEMS ON IT WAS I HAD TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY PERMIT FROM THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA.
THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA COMES BACK AND SAYS, I CAN'T LEAVE YOUR DRIVEWAY PERMIT AND LIST TO SEE DIDN'T YOU PROVIDE ME WITH A DRIVEWAY FOR ME.
SO THEY PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD UNTIL WE GET ALL THIS STUFF.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW, I STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROCESS APPROXIMATELY LAST JULY, THE FIRST SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT DIDN'T, IT'S TAKEN ME UNTIL FEBRUARY.
DIDN'T ALLOW ME TO GO FORWARD WITH MY PLANS AND DONE A LOT OF PAPERWORKS AND LAWYER AND WORK AND PUT RIGHT MUCH EXPENSE AND PLANNING IN THIS PROJECT AT THAT.
UH, AND THE CDS DELAYED ME ON THAT ISSUE.
AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, THE CD'S COME UP AND SAID, WELL, THEY WOULD REFUSE TO GIVE ME WATER DUE TO THIS PRODUCT, WHICH I REALLY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND.
THEY RUN WATER LINES ALL OVER THE, ALL THE WAY OF JAMES COUNTY AND HALFWAY THROUGH POINT.
BUT YET THEY REFUSE ME WATER TO THIS PROJECT.
BASICALLY THEY WERE DOING IT ONLY TO SLOW ME DOWN WHILE THE RESIDENTS STARTED THEIR PROCESS.
NOW, WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT ONE? WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? THE CITY OF NEW BERN DID IT ON PURPOSE TO SLOW YOU DOWN? THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS SLOW IN THE, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT WAS, IS A DELAY TACTIC SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THIS MEETING.
SINCE JANUARY OF MY FIRST MEETING WITH THE CRAVEN COUNTY PLANNING BOARD WAS JANUARY, JANUARY TWO.
AND I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY MARCH BEFORE THEY GOT THEIR PETITION ON APRIL 13TH, APRIL 13TH.
WE'LL ASK WHEN THE PEOPLE CAME ON IT US PAST, THE FIRST I'D HEARD OF IT IS WHEN THEY CAME UP HERE.
I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH MR. SAMMONS THAT THIS PETITION WAS BROUGHT DOWN HERE IN ERROR.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, SHE SAID SHE WE'VE GOT 90 PIECES OF PROPERTY AND IT'S EXTRA TERRITORY ZONING PEOPLE THAT BROUGHT PETITIONERS PETITION IS, DO NOT LIVE IN THIS PROPOSED ETJ EXTENSION.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR THEM TO WISH ON ME, YOU KNOW, RULES THAT THEY'RE ALREADY UNDER.
YOU KNOW, IT'D BE THE SAME WITH THE FR THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, WE'RE UNDOING THE RULE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE DEERFIELD IN LAKE, COME TO HIM, PRODUCE ME.
YOU CAN TAKE DEERFIELD TO YOU AND OR MAYBE THE PEOPLE TO BURN.
COME ON HERE, PETITION YOU TO TAKE JAMES CDN.
I MAKE, I MAKE THE SAME CARL'S ASS ENTRUSTED TO ME, MISS IN.
I LOUD AS YOU SAT OUT, BUT THOSE PEOPLE LIVE IN THE PROPOSED ETJ OR NOT.
I'M JUST SAYING THE PETITION WAS BROUGHT DOWN HERE BY PEOPLE, NOT IN THE PROPOSED AREA THAT MAY BE DON'T KNOW, BUT THE NINE, EIGHT LETTERS THAT WENT AND THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY WHERE THE RESPONSE, SHE SAID SHE HAD ONE RESPONSE AGAINST THE ISSUE.
DID SHE SAY HOW MANY? SHE HAD FOUR? IT WASN'T AN RSVP.
DID YOU HAVE THE SAME? WHOSE
THINK OF IT IN THESE TERMS. PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO IT.
WE WANT TO KNOW WHO'S OPPOSED TO IT.
IF THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT, THEN THE LEGAL ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
SO THAT'S WHY SHE SAID ONE PERSON WAS OPPOSED TO IT.
AND DID NOT MENTION HOW MANY WERE IN FAVOR, THE CAUSE WE ASSUME THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I WILL SAY, I WILL SAY WALK SOFTLY.
AND WHEN YOU SAY WE PURPOSELY SLOWED SOMETHING DOWN, ALL RIGHT.
W GETTING BACK TO, UH, MR. PARHAM'S QUESTION, MR. SUMAN IS, WHY DO WE NOT MORNING? RIGHT, DJ.
SO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY GONNA ZOOM IN US, TELL US WHAT
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WE CAN BE, HOW BIG OUR, HOW, HOW BIG OUR LOTS WILL BE, HOW BIG THE STREET'S GOING TO BE, HOW MANY TREES, YOU PLANT EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING IN TO SEE THE NEW, WHICH I'M NOT OBJECTED TO THAT I ASKED FOR ANNEXATION ON ALL MY PROPERTY.I MEAN, I THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE WRONG, BUT THEY SHOOT, UH, INSTEAD OF ASKING THREE TGS, THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR AN INVITATION.
WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST ASK TO NX THE WHOLE AREA? I'M NOT FOR ETJ BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE CT GIVES ANY SERVICES THAT EVEN EQUALS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO JUST TO BE IN THE EGG.
THE INTEREST IS WHAT DOES THE CITY GET OUT OF AND ASK THEM NOTHING.
IN FACT, I'M THE REASON WE RESPONDED TO THIS THING TO START WITH.
THIS IS PEOPLE EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO HAVE SOME CONTROL AND KEEPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE WAY IT WAS.
AND THE ONLY CONTROL POSSIBLE WAS BY PUTTING IT UNDER THE CITY'S ETJ.
AND THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY SAID, HEY, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
IT'LL HAVE TO BE THE CITY AND PUT IT ALL OUT.
SO WE GET BACK TO THE SAME THING IS, YOU KNOW, WHO ASKED FOR IT? I MEAN, PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, DON'T GET THE PEOPLE IN JAIL.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO POLICE GOING TO DRIVE OUR STREETS.
THERE'S NOT, WE'LL PICK UP OUR GARBAGE AND NOT RUN THEIR SEWER LINES OUT THERE, BUT TO BE PAID UP BEFORE, COULD WE GO BACK TO MR. PARR? HAM'S QUESTION.
WHY DO YOU WANT, THAT'S WHAT WE BASICALLY WANT TO HEAR.
THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T WRITE THAT'S RIGHT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'LL TELL THEM THEY CAN TELL ME HOW BIG MY STREET IS, HOW I GOT DEVELOPED.
MY LIFE JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO GOVERNMENTAL REGULATIONS MAKES YOU DON'T WANT YOUR PROPERTY IN THE TEACH.
NO, I, UH, I WOULD LOVE FOR Y'ALL TO NXP POLE AREA MARCELL AND GIVE US THE SERVICES AND GIVE US THE CONTROL.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I PUT QUITE A BIT OF PLANNING IN THIS BOARD AND I WOULD STILL DEMAND THAT Y'ALL ZOOMING MY PROPERTY THE WAY I WANT IT ZONE RATHER THAN THE WAY MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS.
I COULD SEE IT IF I WAS DOING SOMETHING DETRIMENTAL TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT I'M NOT.
I'M JUST PUTTING IN SMALL BUSINESSES, INTO SMALL BUSINESSES, BACK TO THE, EVERY SUBDIVISION, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, YOUR ONLY AGENDA FOLLOWING THIS MEETING IS ANOTHER PLAN FOR CHANGING THE ZONE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY IS 500 FEET FROM MY PROPERTY FROM
AND THEN I WOULD GLADLY BE ANNEX IN TO SEE THE JUVENILE BY, BY ALL YOUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.
BUT I WOULD STILL WANT TO SAY, HAVING A SAY SO IN WHAT I CAN DO WITH MY LANE.
NO, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
IF YOU DON'T MIND TRY TO SIFT THROUGH THIS THING.
NUMBER ONE, IF WE DIDN'T TAKE THAT PROPERTY OR THAT AREA INTO THE ETJ, THEN YOUR INTENTION IS TO DO WHAT I'M GOING TO DIVIDE THAT 19 ACRES INTO TWO BY 26, HALF ACRE LOT.
AND ON THESE HALF ACRE LOTS, THERE'LL BE SMALL, YOU KNOW, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS, ALL THE FAT, ALL OF THAT WOULD TAKE, AND IT WILL BE FOR A PLUMBING SHOP OR ELECTRICIAN SHOP A CABINET SHOP.
THERE ARE SOME LANDS, A PROPERTY IN HERE THAT WILL NOT PURCHASE.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME MINI STORAGES IN SOME WAREHOUSE TYPE BUSINESSES.
BUT I REALLY BOUGHT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT ARE AGAINST TJ AND THEIR SPOKESPERSON OR PERSONS DO WANT THAT EVIDENTLY.
AND THAT MAY BE, THEY DON'T WANT, MR. SIMMONS REALLY DOES NOT WANT ETJ, BUT HE DOESN'T WANT ME TO DO WHAT I WANT TO DO.
AND HE DOESN'T WANT MR. FARRELL DIDN'T DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.
HE'S OPPOSED EVERYBODY TO DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, BUT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ONE WAY, WE'RE SAYING DECISION IS GOING UP.
IF IT GOES ONE WAY, IT'S GOING TO RESOLVE IN ONE THING.
AND IF IT GOES THE OTHER WAY, IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY RESULT YOUR THINKING AND CHANGING THIS.
I DON'T EVEN SAY YOU COULD NOT BE ABLE TO, IS THAT CORRECT? AND ON HIS OWN AND OWN IT THAT I CAN NOT LIVE WITH.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY, UM, MR. MAYOR HAS ZONED, HAS PROPOSED ONLY BEEN ALREADY LISTED FOR THAT PROPERTY? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
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I HAVEN'T READ THE NEWSPAPER, JUST ONE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.AND YOU COULDN'T LIVE WITH IT.
THEY PROBABLY DECIDED IN CLASS NOT TO BAIL EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND SOMETHING ELSE.
IT WOULD BE MORE PALATABLE TO THAT SIGN IN OR, WELL, I SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE ZONE IS COMPATIBLE TO ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU KNOW, I CAME IN HERE WITH A PROPOSAL TO PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE 70 $500,000 NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I WOULD TURN DOWN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT AND HE MAY TURN DOWN AND AT THREE ACRES, THIS, AND THIS IS THE PLAN I HAD TO DO, BUT I CAME DOWN HERE.
I SAID, I WANT TO ZOOM MY 22 ACRES, THIS PLANNING DEPARTMENTS HERE, THEY CANNOT DEAL WITH THE 19 EIGHT.
CAUSE THEY COULD ONLY DEAL WITH THE THREE ACRES BECAUSE THAT WAS IN THEIR JURISDICTION.
AND, BUT THE INTENTION WAS FOR THEM TO ZOOM THAT THREE ACRES, OUR SEATS.
AND THEN I HAD IN THE SAME MEETING, ASK FOR AN INVITATION FOR THE OTHER 19 ACRES.
AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME ZONE THAT YOU CAN BE ALL HOUSES.
AND I HAD ANTICIPATED BUILDING HOUSES, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 75 TO MAYBE AS MUCH AS A HUNDRED HOMES ON THAT 22 ACRES.
BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD SAID, WELL, ROCKY RUIN WAS NOT READY FOR DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T AGREE WITH HOW THEY COULD SAY THAT.
BUT THEY, THEY DID TELL ME THAT.
BUT NOW YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUILD WAREHOUSERS WAREHOUSES AND OFFICE BUILDINGS ON THAT PROPERTY THAT YOU WERE FIRST PROPOSING TO BE A HOUSE.
WELL, MY FIRST PROPOSAL WAS TO BUILD SMALL BUSINESSES.
MY SECOND PROPOSAL WAS FOR OUR 16 AND MY THIRD CLOSE WAS, WAS GO TO THE COUNTY AND DO A SMALL COMMERCIAL LIKE I WANT TO DO TO START.
I THINK THAT UNDERSTANDING
MY NAME IS JAMES BROOKS, 5 71 ROCKY RUN ROAD.
WELL, THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE ETJ CAME UP FROM MR. DON WHEN HE COME IN WANTING TO PUT BUSINESS IN.
SO SOME KIND OF WAY, MR. BEADY TOLD THE PEOPLE THAT IF YOU TAKE THE HALF, THE ETJ THAT YOU ALL STOP HIM, WOULDN'T BE THIS IN ROCKY RUN.
SO TO PLAN A BOARD MEETING HAS BEEN UP THAT, UH, THEY SAID THAT THEY COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT YOU COULD STOP HIM FROM PUTTING THE BUSINESS IN ROCKY RUN.
SO, ALL RIGHT, THEY WAS GOING TO GIVE UP TALKING ABOUT TAKING 630 ACRES TO GIVE, BUT ETJ TO STOP HIM FROM TAKING HIS 22 ACRES, COULDN'T BE IN THIS DAD.
AND THIS IS WHY TO ME GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH ALL THE TIME.
AND THEY DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT BUSINESS IN ROCK AND RUN.
AND AS REVEREND SOMEONE SAID, IF IT'S A
YOU HAVE KIDS OUT THAT AND KIDS WALKS THE ROAD, THEY FREE, THEY DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS.
LIKE THEY HAVE OVER HERE IN NEARBY, YOU GO TO THE PLAYGROUND AND DO, AND IT'S GOING TO CREATE TRAFFIC AND A PROBLEM ALL THE TIME, DAY AND NIGHT.
YOU WANT ETG ME? I'M CONCERNED.
NO, I WOULD RATHER PUT ROCK AND RUN THE STATE LIKE IT.
WHAT QUESTION IS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ETJ, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO STOP DISTANCES FROM COMING IN TO ROCK YOU WRONG? WELL, ONE WAY IS A STOP IS, AND THIS WOULD GIVE US SOME IDEA OF WHERE WE CAN GO FROM IT.
BECAUSE IF, IF YOU DON'T WANT BUSINESSES THERE, IF YOU DON'T WANT THE CHARACTER OF ROCKY RUN CHAIN AND YOU PLAN TO DO IT WITHOUT ANY, ANY, ANYTHING, HELPING YOU TO DO THAT, THEN I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD ROLE TO PULL.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ETJ, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT ROCKY RUN CAN REMAIN THE SAME.
AND AS A GROUP, YOU CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.
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BUT IF MR. DUNN WOULD LIKE TO GO OUT THERE AND BUILD SOMETHING FINE, THE AREAS RIGHT NOW, BORDERING ROCKY RUN WHERE, AND WE'VE MENTIONED THIS A YEAR AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN IT CAME UP ONCE BEFORE SOMEONE CAN GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND DO ANYTHING, YOUR NEIGHBOR CAN SELL THEIR PROPERTY AND GIVE IT TO WHOEVER THEY WANT.AND IF IT PERKS FOR ANY BUSINESS OR ANYTHING ELSE, THEY CAN DO IT RIGHT NOW.
YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, PUT YOUR NEIGHBOR, PUT ON THEIR PROBLEM.
WELL, WHAT CROP, WHAT KIND OF PROMISES DO Y'ALL HAVE? IF Y'ALL ETJ THIS AREA, YOU WAS ON THE BOARD.
NOW TWO OR THREE YEARS LATER, WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENT BOY SITTING UP THERE.
THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE IT, THE ZONING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THEN MS. MS.
AND THAT'S THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN.
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW.
ANYHOW, WITHOUT H E T J RIGHT? MAYBE SEE, I UNDERSTAND IT WITH THE T D T J IS THE ONLY WAY YOU HAVE ANY CONTROL AT ALL OVER WHAT GOES ON IN YOUR TERRITORY.
SO MR. SAMMONS LET ME EXPLAIN, LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU.
IF YOU DON'T MESS THE SALARIES, HAVEN'T MISSED FOUR DOWN.
IF YOU NEED TO TOP UP, WE NEED TO KEEP ORDERING THE MEETING AND WE DO THIS BY ME RUNNING THE MEETING.
SO I'D APPRECIATE YOU GOING BY THOSE RULES W WITH ETJ, ALL RIGHT, Y'ALL GET THE ETJ OUT THERE.
WE ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO VOTE FOR ALDERMAN.
YOU GO ON THE BED, YOU DON'T PLAY IT AND NOTHING ELSE, BUT, BUT WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, BUT YOU ALL HAVE THE LAST SAY.
SO OVER THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE IN A WAY YOU WILL BE IN CHARGE OF.
I WANT TO PUT A C3 79 HOUSE EMERGENCY AREA AND COME BEFORE THE COURT AND BRAND NOW, ALL RIGHT, YOU WILL NOTIFY MY NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? ONCE YOU NOTIFY THEM AND WE HAVE A MEETING HERE AND THEY DON'T COME AND GET THE BOYS SEE FIT FOR THIS, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
AND YOU ALL PASS IT, THEN THERE'S NOTHING NOBODY ELSE CAN DO.
BUT ROGER, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE 18, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE TO NOT EAT TJ, SOME KIND OF CONTROL, BUT A DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW, SOMEBODY CAN GO THERE AND PUT ANYTHING THEY WANT, RIGHT BESIDE ST.
JAMES CHURCH, IF THEY WANTED TO, THEY COULD PUT A CLUB OR A MASSAGE PAULO.
THEY COULD PUT THEM WHO THEY CAN PUT ANYTHING THEY WANT TO BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ORGANIZED GROWTH IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO CAME DOWN HERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK INTO WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIVE THERE SHOULD DO IT, BUT THEY ARE AFFECTED BY WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHETHER THEY LIVE RIGHT THERE OR NOT, THAT'S TRUE.
AND I COMMEND THEM AND I COMMIT ALL OF YOU FOR BEING CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ROCKY BLOOD HAS BEEN ROCKING AND ROLLING ALL OUR LIFE, RIGHT? IT LOOKS GOOD AND PEOPLE FEEL GOOD.
AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, IF YOU JUST RIDE RIGHT AFTER THE ROCKY RUN ROAD, YOU SEE WHAT'S COMING AT YOU AND IT'S COMING HARD AND FAST.
AND IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING REAL SOON, IT'S GONNA EASE ITS WAY ALL BACK UP IN THERE, ALL AROUND.
BELIEVE ME NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT FEAR YOU HAVE FOR, FOR US AND FOR ETJ, WHAT IT IS THAT YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU WITHIN THE TIME WE'RE HERE, THAT NOTHING IS GOING TO UPSET THE WAY YOU LIVE, YOUR ETJ WENT THERE.
THERE WILL BE NOTHING THAT WE WILL DO TO YOU IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THAT SAME FEAR.
BUT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE ADD NEXT PLEASANT HILL, WE ADD NEXT PRESENT HERE.
AND THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT THEY WILL LOSE THEIR CHARACTER, THEIR CO, THEIR AGRICULTURE CHARACTER, THE RURAL CHARACTER.
SO WE MADE A MAN'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
WE WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE IMPOSED, THAT OUR LAWS WERE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU WERE COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO CONTROL YOU.
PEOPLE CAME UP HERE AND ASK US BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT GROWTH IN LEAVING THE I LIVE WELLNESS SIDE OF TOWN.
AND I'M CONCERNED WHEN I GO THAT WAY ABOUT THE KIND OF STUFF THAT GETS STUCK ALL ALONG THE HIGHWAY, AND THEN HOW IT'S MOVING IN ON ROCKY ROAD.
AND, AND IN MY PERSONAL OPINION,
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THIS IS BY RELIEVES OPINION AT THAT IS THAT IF YOU NEED, WE MEET IN OUR COMMUNITY, SOME KIND OF SYSTEM OF CONTROL, WE WERE RUNNING WATER LINES OUT THAT WAY PEOPLE MIGHT ASK FOR SUE A LOT MORE.YOU GET WATER LINES AND SEWER LINES, THE MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS WHO DO NOT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WILL COME ALONG AND PUT WHATEVER THEY WANT, THAT THEY WOULDN'T PUT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IF YOU DON'T GET SOME KIND OF CONTROL, SOME KIND OF SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT GIVES YOU SOME SPACE, THOUGH, DIDN'T YOU GOING TO JUST BE OUT DONE? AND YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO BE OVERCROWDED, LITTLE WAREHOUSES AND LITTLE OFFICE BUILDINGS, AND THEN THE LITTLE THINGS ALL OVER EVERYWHERE, AND THAT NOT THINGS THAT YOU PROBABLY SHOULD GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ETJ WE'LL DO.
WE DON'T WANT EAT, DRINK, BUT PEOPLE CAME TO US AND I THINK THEY WERE JUSTIFIED IN COMING.
THEY MIGHT NOT LIVE HERE, BUT THEY LIVE HERE.
THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH IN MY OPINION, TO BE AFFECTED BY WHATEVER HAPPENS.
SO MAYBE IF YOU, IF WE GOT A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ETJ WOULD DO OR WHAT IT MEANS, I'M SURE THAT PEOPLE LIKE CITING US.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THOSE WHO HAD FOUGHT.
WE'LL GO AND SAY, OH, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND THOSE WHO AGAINST ARE GOING TO SAY, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO INCITE YOU, YOUR CONCERN.
IT MAY BE TO OUR ADVANTAGE TO FIND OUT THAT'S WHAT THAT MEAN.
MISS MRS. SIMMONS, WE HAVE SOMEONE AT THE PODIUM, PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL.
THAT PERSON AT THE PODIUM, IF YOU'RE NOT RESPECTFUL FOR ME.
OH, WHEN THIS BOARD IS CLEAN, AYE.
Y'ALL SAY, BUT I STILL SAY SOMEONE ELSE COME IN THERE.
AND JUST LIKE YOU SAYING, IF THE PEOPLE DON'T SELL THEIR LAND, THEN NOBODY CAN COME IN THERE.
THEY HAVE NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT THE LAND.
WOULD YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T EITHER WAY IT'S UP TO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.
IT WASN'T BECAUSE I WANTED IT TO BE THERE, BUT IT'S THEIR DECISION.
AND ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, IF YOU AIN'T GOT NO MOUTH ON THAT, WHY NOT GO ONE MILE FROM A 300 FOOT ALL THE WAY AROUND? WHY WOULD GO? WHY IS IT THAT YOU'RE TAKING IN ALL THE BLACK POSTS LAYING THERE AND NOT GOING TO WEAR OUT OR HALF THE PEOPLE BACK THERE? YOU KNOW, WE HAD JOHN.
I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO ON MAC.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT GOOD, BUT AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT, MAX, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? YES.
I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE GENTLEMEN AS TO WHAT HE FEELS WOULD PREVENT SOMEONE FROM BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY NEXT TO HIS CHURCH NEXT WEEK.
AND YOU CANNOT SAY THAT NO ONE IN THAT AREA IS GOING TO SELL A PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD OUT.
THEIR PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS OUT THERE.
I HAVE SEEN THE CHANGE OF CONSTRUCT.
I'VE SEEN BUILDINGS BUILT OUT THERE.
PEOPLE WILL SELL THEIR PROPERTY.
PROPERTY'S GOING TO CHANGE HANDS.
WHAT PROTECTION DO YOU HAVE FROM A, AN X-RATED ADULT BOOKSTORE BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO YOUR CHURCH.
IF THE PERSON WHO OWNS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY DIES AND THEIR CHILDREN DECIDE TO SELL THE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE NO PROTECTION AT THIS TIME.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE.
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I'M GOING TO HAVE TO, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE MAKING.IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY BY A REAL QUICK, THE POINT IS YOU SAY, I'LL HAVE TO THESE BUILDINGS, THESE, THIS CHANGE CAN'T TAKE PLACE.
IF PEOPLE DON'T SELL THEIR LAND, THE LAND IS GOING TO CHANGE HANDS.
MAX, BE REALISTIC BECAUSE I ALREADY CHANGED HANDS.
THAT'S WHY DEVELOPERS HAVE IT NOW.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
I'M TRYING TO EMPHASIZE WHEN I KNOW THAT, BUT IN LONG RUN AND I'M NOT TRYING TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE MEETING.
I KNOW IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S OBVIOUS SOMETIME, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WADE THROUGH THIS THING TONIGHT.
I MEAN, I ASKED MISS BOOKSTORE QUESTION.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FINISH MAX, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE FINISHES, YOU CAN ASK HIM WHEN WE GET THROUGH ALL THE REST OF THE PEOPLE, LET'S GET EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS THING TO SPEAKING.
UNLESS SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING JUST NEAT, PLEASE, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU WANT ME TO SAY MASS? OKAY, WHO'S NEXT? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN THIS.
WE USED TO KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE A THREE MINUTE LIMIT ON THIS.
YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, ALL I'M TRYING TO FLIP IT.
WE ALL, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A THREE MINUTE LIMIT ON A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ALL OF THEM EXPRESSING HIS VIEW, THE MAYOR AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
HAVE YOU OPENED THIS UP FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WELL, I WAS GOING ROW BY ROW.
SO IF YOU'LL JUST BEAR WITH ME, ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT SECOND ROW ON THE, SAY SOMETHING, THE LADY WITH YOUR HAND UP.
DID YOU COME, ARE YOU ON THE SECOND ROW? ARE YOU ON THE THIRD ROW? THE SECOND ROW? YES.
PULL THE MIC DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU BROTHER.
YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE FOLLOWING THE LAW, THAT YOU HELD MEETINGS, THAT THE LORD THAT YOU SENT OUT THE 90 LETTERS OR WHATEVER ONE, EACH PROPERTY ON IT.
NOW, WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT IS RESPONSIBILITY.
ALTHOUGH TRUMP READY TO RESPOND WHEN AND WHERE IS THERE FOR? ARE THEY REQUIRED TO CALL THE STATE? I MEAN, THE PLANNING OFFICE RESPOND TO WHEN THEY GET THE LETTER SAYING, THERE'S PEOPLE CONCERNED YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR PROMISING AREA, HOUSTON TO LET US OUT WHAT LIVES, WHERE THE BUT IT'S A DECISION MADE BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CALL HER OFFICE.
ISN'T IT POSSIBLE THAT A LANDOWNER MIGHT SEE, THIS IS THE DATE OF THE MEETING, AND THIS IS THE FORUM FOR DISCUSSING THIS.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD EXPRESS MYSELF.
AND THEN TO HAVE THAT THROWN IN THEIR FACES.
WHEN THEY ARRIVE AT THE MEETING, WHICH WAS LAID OUT IN THE LEVEL OF RECEIPT, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE LANDOWNER CALL.
BUT IF THAT'S THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT THE LANDOWNERS KNOW WHAT'S EXPECTED OF.
AND DID THE LADDER TELL THEM WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO? YOU REPLY TO IT? ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO SEND A LETTER, SUMMED UP A SMOKE SIGNAL, SHOW UP AT THE MEETING? WHAT ARE THEY SPIDERS THEN MEETING HERE TONIGHT, RIGHT? WAS IT, MAY I ASK, DID YOU THROW BACK THAT INFORMATION ONCE THE PERSON WAS AGAINST IT BECAUSE I'M ONE PERSON CALLED THE OFFICE BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A REQUISITE FOR EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION ABOUT IT.
IF YOU WERE LANDING, IT'S A FREAKISH THING THAT ONE MAY HAVE CALLED AND THE ONE THAT CALLED THE 10 MINUTE CALL, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER IT FOR AGAINST.
NOW THE NEXT THING I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU IS THIS.
I AM UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE CALLED SO WE CAN EXPRESS OUR VIEWS.
NOW THIS IS NOT THE FIRST ETJ MEETING INVITATION THAT SET ASIDE LIKE TOO MUCH TOILET PAPER.
AND IT'S BEEN DONE AGAIN AT NIGHT.
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A BIG DEAL WITH 70, BUT THIS MEETING, YOU MADE A BIG DEAL OF THE NUMBER OF SEVEN TO NINE.BUT I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE STAND AGAINST IT.
I WANT TO KNOW WHERE IS THAT?
ARE YOU ONE OF THE PROPERTY ON THE SMITH? I AM IN THE ATJ AREA.
ARE YOU IN THE, FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT.
WAIT, NO, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIP I TOLD YOU WHEN I STOOD UP AT E T J N E T J, I THINK, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME POINT SOMETHING OUT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND WHERE WE'RE NOT HONEST TO GOD, WE'RE OUT HERE TRYING TO DO THE VERY BEST WE CAN TO HELP.
IF WE, IF WE COUNT THIS PARTITION, IT WAS HANDED TO US TONIGHT, FIRST OFF, WHO REALLY COUNT A PETITION.
WE NEED TO VERIFY THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT SIGNED IT AND THAT HAVE ANY TROUBLE CAMPUS, THAT PEOPLE IN THAT MEETING AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY TROUBLE.
NOW I'M NOT SAYING WITHOUT FOUR AGAINST, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY THIS GAME PIPE FIGHT, THEN YOU SHOULD AT LEAST SAY THIS MANY OR NUMB, RIGHT? I THINK WE HAVE 27.
I THINK IF I COUNTED, WELL, THAT'S 27 PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T SENT LETTERS THAT I KNOW I'M JUST TIRED OF NOT KNOWING.
THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE MEETING IS ABOUT.
WELL, MS. MS. JOHNSON WOULD TRY TO BE FAIR BY HAVING A HEARING.
AND ALL WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU IS YOUR REASONS FOR OPPOSITION TO THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
WHAT WAS EXPECTED? THESE LETTERS COME OUT.
WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE ETJ? THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT.
WHY DID YOU NOT WANT TO BE IN THE ETJ? NAVAL SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT AND NOT HAVE IT FOUND IN THEIR FACE.
THERE'S SOMEBODY CALLED FOR OR AGAINST IT.
AND THEREFORE THAT'S THE WAY IT MUST BE.
I'M NOT EXPRESSING AN OPINION AND NOT, I AM TELLING YOU, I WANT TO KNOW HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
THE LANDOWNERS ARE NOW YOUR JOB.
YOUR JOB IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
LIKE COMING HERE AND TELLING US WHY OR WHY NOT? SO ARE YOU A FEST? IT SO YOU DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? WELL, I LIVE IN IT TO BE HAPPY, FINE NECESSARILY THAT I'M NOT NECESSARILY FOR OR AGAINST.
THAT'S IT? I WANT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT LAND, SHE DOESN'T LIVE IN 2D HALF.
AND I DON'T MEAN I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SHORT LIVED HAPPENS.
I DON'T HAVE A LONG, THEY'VE HAVE THIS CONCERN IN THEIR PROPERTY.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE SOMETHING SLIP TO THIS WAY WHEN THEY GET IT, IT'S GOING TO BE, I AGREE.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN NOTHING BUT MURMURING OUT THERE AFTER THEY STOOD UP, NOBODY SEEMED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS SENDING UP, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT I'M TELLING EVERYBODY RAN.
HE SAID, WE'RE PRETTY IT ALL RIGHT.
IS ANYBODY ELSE ON THE THIRD ROW? 1, 2, 3 BACK.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO FORTHRIGHT.
NO, ANYBODY'S GOT ANYTHING AGAINST IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR IT OR AGAINST IT? LET'S TRY THAT.
LET THIS LADY COME UP THE LADY.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY.
I LIVE AT TWO 50 BLACK AND WHITE ROAD AND GET TO SPEAK TO MY GRANDFATHER.
ALL THAT ROCK, ALL THAT PETITION THAT THEY WANT TO, HIS RANCH.
HE HAS NO RIGHT TO BUILD THAT.
MY GRANDPA WAS IN FAVOR OF THE TJ.
YOU CHECK THIS LIST AND LOOK AT IT.
WHO DOES NOT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE, YOU MAY NOT KNOW.
IS ANYBODY ELSE BACK IN THERE? THIS LADY HERE ON THE RIGHT
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LADY ON THE RIGHT, WHICH HAVE FALL BACK ON THE THIRD ROW, RIGHT ON THE RIGHT.MY NAME IS MADDIE
AND FOR MYSELF, I'M 40 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT NO ONE TO PUT SOMETHING RIGHT IN, IN MY BACK DOOR.
AND MR. DON HAD BOUGHT THIS LAND AND MY MAN, JASON, AND I REALLY WOULDN'T LET FOR A WHOLE BOTTLE, YOU KNOW, AND WE ALL TO GO WITH.
IT CAN BE RED, DIRT DUST NEAR THING.
WHEN I CAME TO LIVE IN FREEBIE ALL MY LIFE, SYDNEY AND MISS BOB, AND THEN LAND JASON, MR. DON, AND SHE GAVE ME THIS BETTER TO READ THE MAP OF THE CITY.
I'M SPEAKING TO YOU TO MAG AND OPPOSITION TO THE MORRIS BUILDING ON ROCKY MARK ROOM.
THIS STRETCH OF HIGHWAY HILL BEEN LINKED TO MOST FAMILY IN THIS COMMUNITY.
IN SOME CASES WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO MR.
AS LONG AS WE INCURRED MARGIN DEVELOPMENT, INCREASE TRACK, ALSO NOISE.
AND
AND WE WAIT THE SAME RESIDENTIAL.
ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FORWARD OR THEY SAY HERE AGAIN,
I LIKE TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS TODAY THAT MIGHT BE MISLEADING CONCERNING THIS PETITIONER WERE PASSED OUT BY MR. REVEREND SEVEN.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS VERY ISSUE ON THIS VERY PETITIONER CALL COLLEAGUES OUT THE MIDDLE OR CALL ME AND MY JOB LEADING ME TO TELLING ME THAT HE, THEY WERE MISINFORMED CONCERNING WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING.
I THINK THAT THIS PETITION THAT YOU RECEIVED THIS AFTERNOON FOR THE MOST PART SHOULD BE NO AND VOID BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MISSING HAVE BEEN BEGAN, BEGAN ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED FROM MR. SIMMONS PRESENTATION.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY, MOST PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE SITTING BACK AT TODAY, UNDERSTAND EXIT TERRITORY, IMPACT OF PEOPLE SITTING BACK TO UNDERSTAND EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
AND THEY ARE FOR EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE GROWTH AROUND EITHER A WEEK TWO TO DO NOTHING.
NOW THERE IS ONE PERSON IN PARTICULAR, THE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT PAPER.
BUT PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT EQUITARIAN PLEASE STAND UP AND WILL YOU REMAIN STANDING, PLEASE, IF YOU ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY THAT A CERTAIN PERSON'S NAME, THERE ARE SEVERAL NAMES UP HERE WHO I WOULD LIKE THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REBUTTAL THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE FOR THEIR OWN PERSON WHILE THEY'RE HERE AS MISCARRIAGE.
WELL, UPON THE BOARD'S REQUEST, UM, I WON'T ASK THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE WANTED IT KNOWN THAT THEY THOUGHT TODAY THAT THEY WERE SIGNING SOMETHING
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THAT SAYS THAT THEY DO WANT TO HAVE EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OUT THERE.AND BY THE WAY, MY FAMILY OWNS PROPERTY IN THE AFFECTED AREA THAT IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE ETJ.
RIGHT NOW, MY FAMILY HAS ASKED MY BROTHER STOLEN BETA AND MY STEP HAIR AND BADER TO SPEAK IN THEIR BEHALF AND TO REPRESENT THEM.
AND I AM DOING SUCH FAB STANDING BEFORE YOU TODAY, ASK THEM THAT YOU DO RECOGNIZE THE EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
THE MAIN MAJORITY OF PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HERE AND THAT'S MR. DANIEL FIELDS.
AND, AND, UM, MS. FRANCIS AND HER SYSTEM IS MINNIE BELL.
AND THEY ARE THE MA MAJORITY OF PROPERTY OWNERS OWN STATEMENT ROAD.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO PEOPLE ON MCDANIEL LANE, UH, TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE TODAY, AND THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN BEGUILED WITH THIS PETITION AND THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE SIGNING SOMETHING THAT REPRESENTED THEIR DESIRE TO HAVE EXIT TERRITORY JURISDICTION AS REQUESTED BY YOUR BOARD.
I WON'T POINT THAT PERSON OUT, BUT THAT PERSON WANTED THAT KNOWN.
AND I REALLY THINK IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT I'M SPEAKING CLEAR AND ACCURATE CONCERNING WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS AND KNOW WHAT WE NEED.
I READ THAT THOSE WHO OPPOSE IT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT, UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY AND THE NEED OF DOING THIS, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DONE IMMEDIATELY.
WE DON'T NEED TO PUT THIS ON FOR ANOTHER MONTH AND DRAG OUT FOR SOME SMALL TECHNICALITY AND ASK MR. DUNN, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH THAT THIS MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP HIS PROPERTY, BUT WE WENT ZERO COMMERCIALISM BROUGHT DOWN HIGHWAY, BROUGHT OFF HIGHWAY 17 ONTO THE ROCKY RIVER ROAD AREA.
THAT IS WHAT WE DEMAND OF MR. DUNN, WHERE HE DOES HIS PROPERTY IS THAT HE PUTS ZERO COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON THAT AREA.
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, BUT THAT IS THE DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY IS TO HAVE ZERO ON THE BACK ROAD OF ROCKY WINE AREA.
HOW WE 17, WE RESPECT THE RIGHT OF THOSE PEOPLE ON, IN THAT AREA BECAUSE MY FAMILY OWNED PROPERTY IN ON HIGHWAY 17.
AND WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THERE ON HIGHWAY 17.
AND WE KNOW THAT COMMERCIAL LIVES IN IS GONNA WIPE 17 OUT.
AND I, AND I RESPECT THAT TOO, BECAUSE COMMERCIALISM HAS TO STRIVE FOR PEOPLE THAT AS MR. DUNN SAID TO HAVE JOBS, BUT WE DON'T WANT JOBS TO BE FLOWING DOWN.
I LIVE ON ROCKY ROCK ROAD AT, AT OIL, ONE ROCK ROAD.
THAT PROPERTY WAS SOON TO BE TURNED OVER TO MY NAME.
MY AUNT IS HERE TODAY, AND WE'RE GOING TO START THAT PROCESS AT THAT PROPERTY.
PUT IN MY NAME AS OWNER AT 4 21 ROCKET RUN ROAD.
SO THE MISCONCEPTION THAT THIS CERTAIN PERSON HAS CONCERNING WHAT I OWN OR WHAT I REPRESENT IN THIS COMMUNITY, I WISH TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT HE WILL COME AND JOIN WITH ME.
AS I HAVE REQUESTED HIM TO SIT DOWN AND TALK SO WE CAN PROPERLY LEAD OUR COMMUNITY TOWARD THE YEAR 2000 AND THE YEARS BEYOND THAT, I AM WILLING AND OPEN TO TALK WITH THIS MAN, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE ASKED ME TO MAKE THIS REPRESENTATION FOR THEM.
AND I THINK THAT ANYONE WHO IS IN OPPOSITION TO ETJ, SHOULDN'T BE WITH ME IN A PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT.
SO WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE THERE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN AGREEMENT BACK.
WE SHOULD SIT TOGETHER AND COME TO A PEACEFUL ACCORD CONCERNING THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH MR. SIMMONS, MR. BROOKS, AND ALL OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION TO IT.
AND ALL PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HAVE THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP A FORUM SO THAT WE CAN ALL TALK.
AND THE OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN DONE MANY TIMES.
BUT THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS WHEN WE MAKE THE ATTEMPT TO DO SOMETHING SUCH AS THAT, THE PEOPLE WILL NOT RESPECT THE OTHERS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
WE HAVE DISRUPTIONS AND DISRUPTIONS CONTINUOUSLY SO THAT THE PEOPLE CAN REMAIN ILL INFORMED AND MISREPRESENTED.
AND I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU.
AND AS I SAID, ETJ IS DESPERATELY NEEDED IN OUR, YOU KNOW, BEN, EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT THERE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THIS THING.
AND I'D LIKE TO, WELL, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A MESSAGE TO FREEZE THE OPPORTUNITY.
I APOLOGIZE TO HIM FOR A PAIRING TO CUT HIM OFF WHEN HE'S MIGHTY HOT UP HERE.
AND MY PATIENCE IS WEARING THIN.
IF I APPEARED TO CUT YOU OFF, I DIDN'T INTEND TO, WELL, MR. MAYOR, YOU DON'T OWE ME AN APOLOGY.
WELL, IF I WERE THE THIRD WARD AND APOLOGIZE, APOLOGIZE TO THEM.
I HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE IN MY BOX.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? WELL, I DID, BUT THERE'S NO POINT.
OH, FROM MR. BROOKS, MR. BROOKS, UH, I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION FROM YOU.
YOU, UH, YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE PROPOSED ETJ AREA.
DO YOU LIVE IN AN EXISTING ATJ? PROPOSED.
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THAT'S IT? THAT'S WHAT I WANT.ANYBODY ELSE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE? OKAY, GENTLEMEN, SECOND ROW.
UH, YOU MIND COMING UP TO THE MIC SO WE CAN GET YOU, UH, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO HERE, YOU DO HAVE A GOOD POLL.
I OWN PROPERTY IN ROCKY, RON, I'M SPEAKING FOR MY SONS AND MY SISTER THAT WE OWN PROPERTY, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THERE ALL OUR LIVES.
SO WE ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN LEAVING IT AS IT IS.
AND WE ARE GOING ALONG WITH THE EGG.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST THAT BECAUSE THAT WILL, MAYBE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE PROTECTION FROM THE CITY THAT WILL HAPPEN.
AND WE WERE IN FOR THAT, FOR THAT.
WE DON'T MIND THAT, BUT WE ARE STRONGLY AGAINST COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN ROCKY, RON, AND IT'S LIKE, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN SAID IT WOULD CAUSE WE GOT, I'VE GOT GRANDKIDS.
I DON'T HAVE NO LITTLE KIDS RUNNING AROUND OUT OF IT, BUT I GOT GRANDKIDS AND THEY'RE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
AND, UH, THE BIG SUBSTANCE COMING INTO THAT NOW WITH WHEEL WHEEL DUST, ALL SCARED FOR KIDS BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM, I WAS COMING THROUGH THERE.
THEY'RE SPEEDING MORE THAN WITH DRUGS AND IS DANGEROUS AND MORE BUSINESS THAT COMES IN THAT IT'S GOING TO GET MORE DANGEROUS AND MORE WITH KIDS.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A SITUATION WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE.
AND I THINK I SPEAK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
WE'VE ALL BEEN PRETTY NEAR TOGETHER AND WE'VE ALL TRIED TO HELP ONE ANOTHER AND LIVE TOGETHER.
AND WE'D LIKE, IT LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT AGAINST BECAUSE MR. DUNN IS A WHITE MAN
IF HE WANTED TO COME OUT THERE AND BUILD FIVE HOUSES ON, THEY LOCKED US.
BUT THE BUILDING THOSE, UH, RENTAL BUILDINGS AND RENTAL, UH, LATER ON, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT UP, UH, X-RAY THE BUILDING.
I MADE HIM ONE OF HIS FRIENDS MIGHT SAY, WELL, LOOK, LET ME HAVE THIS LOCK.
I WANT TO PUT UP A GLOVE UP HERE.
AND WE JUST WOULDN'T LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET.
AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO ROCK AROUND IN THE LATE JAMES CITY.
HE SAID, WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.
AND I, I AM POSITIVE THAT OUR BOARD HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT WE HAVE STOOD ON THE SIDE OF WHAT WE FELT TO BE THE RIGHT SIDE.
EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE TO REALIZE PEOPLE THAT RANDY TJ ARE NOT CITIZENS OF NEW WHEN THEY CAN'T VOTE FOR US, THEY DON'T PAY ANY TAXES.
AND WE HAVE FOUND ON THE SIDE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE ETJ, UH, I WANT SINCE THEY BEEN IN THERE.
SO I HOPE THEY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THIS BOARD DOES WHAT THEY THINK IS THE RIGHT THING.
MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY SAY ONE THING NOW, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, I KNOW IT'S BEEN SAID, BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE ETJ DOES HAVE A REP DOES HAVE REPRESENTATION ON THE PLANNING BOARD AND CAN HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER ZONING CHANGES IN THE FUTURE.
AND NUMBER TWO, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAS SPOKEN TONIGHT, WHO LIVES IN THAT AREA IS ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
IF THE PLANNING BOARD DOESN'T DO SOMETHING THAT SUITS YOU AND WE DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SUIT YOU, YOU CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
SO YOU DO HAVE AVENUES TO APPEAL ANYTHING THAT IS ATTEMPTED THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE MR. MAYOR.
I'M GOING TO ASK MR. QUESTION.
THIS IS A FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
HOW MANY PLUMBERS ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE OR TWO POINTS, ONE YOU IN ORDINARY, I MOVE WITH DR.
WE DID EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN FOUR AND FIVE YEARS THERE ARE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
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ONE IS ON THE EXTENSION OF THE ATJ, WHICH YOU'RE CONSIDERING CURRENTLY.AND THEN FOLLOWING THIS, IF YOU DECIDE TO EXTEND IT, THEN THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS ON STONING CLASSIFICATION WITH DR.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION OF LAND? ALL THE ROAD, PLEASE, MAN.
AS THE PUBLIC CONSIDER THE ZONING SIGN IN OUR 20 RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND 85 AGRICULTURAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS.
SO APPROXIMATELY 651 ACRES NORTH OF ROCKY RUN ROAD BETWEEN DEERFIELD SUBDIVISION ON THE WEST AND THE CITY'S CAR AND EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION BOUNDARY ON THE EAST, WHICH TRANSLATES INTO NOW WITH ALL THE MARIJUANA DESIGNING, WE DON'T PUT ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S GREAT, MR. JORDAN, AND AS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THE RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED THAT TO MAINTAIN THE RURAL RESIDENTS, CHARACTER OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND RESPECT THEIR WISHES.
STAFF HAS REVIEW 17 ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS.
NOW, CURRENTLY THE CITY'S PLAN
WELL, WE KNOW THAT CHANGES, BUT WE KNOW WITH BTG MECHANISM IN PLACE, SO THAT CITIZEN CONTROL AND
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SORT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED, AS WE KNOW,I'D LIKE TO SEE IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE.
MR. GUNN AND THE RESIDENCE WAS ROCKING THE RUN, WHICH I THINK HE'D BEEN VERY UNDERSTANDING REALLY COME FOR US BEFORE.
AND HE WAS ONE OF THE LADIES SAID IN THAT MEETING ON A YEAR AGO, WHEN THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING DEVELOPED, THEY JUST LIKED IT.
DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS AND HAD SOME AGREEMENT WITH.
AND I REALLY, IT WOULD JUST TAKE ME TO DEATH TO SEE BEST DUNN AND THE PEOPLE OUT IN ROCKY RUN AND GET TOGETHER SOMETIMES AND COME TO SOME AGREEMENT AND SHOW THE REST OF THE WORLD AS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN DEVELOPING PROPERTY AND, AND HAVING SOMETHING THAT WORKS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND IMPROVES THE AREA WHILE THEY'RE AT IT.
AND THAT WOULD JUST TAKE ME TODAY.
AND I HOPE YOU ALL CAN FIND A WAY TO DO THAT AND BE AN EXAMPLE, EVERYBODY ELSE IN HOW COMMUNITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO KIND OF WORK ON THE DESK.
SO ANYBODY OUT THERE, I WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS.
I MEAN, FOR IT OR AGAINST IT, MR. DUNN, OR THEY DO, I IMAGINE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING SAY.
UH, ACCORDING TO THE FIRST, FIRST TALK YOU GAVE TONIGHT.
WELL, I STILL BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A PROPERTY OWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHOOT HAS SOME PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY SHE GAVE TO ALL THE PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY AND ASKED HIM, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THE UNIVERSITY? WON'T PUT A BLANKET ON EVERYTHING OUT THERE.
THE VERY LEAST THEY COULD DO THAT.
FORESEE IS AS GOOD AS POSSIBLE WAS BORN.
THIS AREA WILL BE DEVELOPED ONE DAY.
IT MAY DRIVE ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, BUT WE WILL BE DEVELOPED.
AND AS THE, WHERE THEY'RE BLANKING IS EVERY TIME ANYBODY GETS READY TO DO ANYTHING, THEY CAN'T JUST COME IN AND SAY, WELL, LOOK, I WANT TO PUT FIVE LOCKS OVER THERE.
THEY GOT TO COME AND HAVE SOMETHING RESIGNED OR THEY CAN DO ANYTHING.
AND I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MY NAME'S ON THE C3, OR I HAVE ONE WHERE I CAN DO WHAT I WANT TO DO.
LET ME GET ALL SOMETHING IN THERE.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD MY COMMENT.
AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE RIGHTS OF PROPERTY.
THE DEFINITION OF PROPERTY ENDED UP BEING THE PERSON TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY.
BUT IN MY WAY OF THINKING, AND YOU KNOW, I CAN BE DIFFERENT WRONG OR WHATEVER.
I'M ALWAYS FELT LIKE THE PLACE WHERE YOU LIVE, PLEASE, WHERE YOU RAISE YOUR KIDS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SAY SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ULTIMATE SAY SO OVER THERE, AS FAR AS PROTECTING IT AND HAVING A QUIET RESIDENTIAL OR WHATEVER, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SAY SO AT ALL.
AND I, AND THAT, AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN A DEVELOPER AND I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST DEVELOPERS.
I WOULDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE MYSELF, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE TO LIVE THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING THE DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND IT AND THEIR CONCERNS.
AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID THAT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST OUR WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
THE DEVELOPER IS WHAT REALLY MAKES THE CITY GROW.
AND PEOPLE CAN GO WHERE, WHERE DEVELOPERS DEVELOP KNOW WE GET BACK FROM THE SEAT OF THE ROAD, THEY RUN WATER LINES OUT THIS WAY IN THAT WAY.
BUT THEN WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY HELD BACK BY RULES AND REGULATIONS AND YOU KNOW, THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
AND I REALLY THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE SOME DOES LAND ZONE COMMERCIALS.
IT'D BE, BE LANES IN OUR SEATS AND OUR 10 AND OUR 15 AND WHATEVER, BUT I THINK IS THE, IS SAD.
AND I REALLY THINK THAT THEY SHOULD SIT BACK
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AND THINK ABOUT IT REAL HARD AND TRY TO TAKE SOME, THE FUTURE HEADACHES OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.WELL, NUMBER ONE IS EVERYBODY ON THE PREVIOUS BEAT BACKING TO THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY WOULDN'T REALLY SAY, WELL, WE DON'T WANT THIS DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY SAY WE'RE MOBILE HOMES.
I DON'T WANT THEM ON MOBILE HOMES, MOBILE HOMES, BUT THERE'S NO ZONING CLASSIFICATION YOU'VE GOT, THAT HAS SMALL LOTS THAT ELIMINATES MOBILE HOMES IN OUR SIX ZONING.
YOU CAN PUT IN, BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE A, UH, EMC OR SOMETHING JUST FOR MOBILE HOME.
AND THAT'S WHAT DEFEATED ME BEFORE PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.
AND THEN THEY SAY, WELL, IN OUR SIX R A R T N AND R 12, YOU CAN PUT DUPLEXES, BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE A ZONE OUT THERE FOR OUR TNS.
YOU HAVE OUR TDSB, YOU DON'T HAVE OUR EIGHT S AND OUR EIGHT OR SIX S AND THAT'S WHAT SCARES PEOPLE.
WHEN THEY SAY, LOOK, THIS IS WHEN HE WANTS HIS OWN LAND SEMINAR SICK, OR THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND, HE'S GONNA PUT MOBILE HOME AND VACANT, PUT MOTHER HUNTER'S GOING TO PUT APARTMENTS.
AND NEITHER ONE OF THESE WERE ANY OF MY INTENTION, BUT I HAD NO OTHER CHOICE, BUT TO ASK FOR WHAT I WANT.
SO CAN YOU GIVE THESE SUGGESTIONS TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR? I HAVEN'T TALKED TO MIKE ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, BUT NO, THIS HAS BEEN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR IN THE PAST.
WHERE DOES MIKE SAY STILL HERE? I CAN'T, WHAT IS THE POSSIBLE, JUST AS A LITTLE PROJECT TO TAKE SEMESTER DOWN AND MAKE THE ROCKY RUN PEOPLE AND SEE IF Y'ALL, CAN'T COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF A PRODUCT HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT THERE AND THEY WOULD AGREE TO, AND THAT KIND OF THING, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE WHOLE PIECE OF LAND, BUT SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT THIS KIND OF COOPERATION CAN WORK.
EXCUSE ME, TH THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT HE'S TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND HE'LL UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WORK TOGETHER.
I MEAN, IT'S A SHAME THAT THINGS ALWAYS HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S SEEMED LIKE IT, THEIR ANTAGONISTS, ONE OF THEM, INCLUDING US.
AND WE'RE NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, YEP.
WE WOULD BE GLAD TO FACILITATE SUCH A MEETING AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, I GUESS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SO, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE AREA, JUST TO THE EAST OF THIS ALONG THE EXTENSION OF BOSCH BOULEVARD AND HIM CONCERNS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD IS TO PROJECTS WERE COMING IN SORT OF PIECEMEAL.
AND WHAT THE OVERALL IMPACT OF THE AREA WAS.
WE BROUGHT ABOUT 15 PEOPLE TOGETHER IN THIS ROOM, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, PICK SCHOOLS AND SO FORTH AND SORTED OUT SOME CLASSIFICATIONS WHERE ERODES SHOULD GO AND SO FORTH.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT CERTAINLY CAN BE DONE.
WE'D BE GLAD TO, WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON HIS ZONING CLASSIFICATION, BUT IT'S NEW TERRITORY.
I THINK HE WAS JUST A LITTLE SLOW GETTING OUTSIDE.
THE POINT I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR TUESDAY LADY SAID THAT I HAD, UH, MISLED HER PARENTS AND THE SECRETARY HAS THE LETTER HASN'T NAMED.
THERE WERE ABOUT, UH, EIGHT PEOPLE SAY THEY WANTED IT IN THE PUB PARENTS.
ONE OF THEM NOW GAVE IT TO YOUR SECRETARY THERE.
SO I'VE BEEN CALLED A LIE MANY TIMES AND PEOPLE FALSELY ACCUSED ME.
WE BELIEVE YOUR NAME IS ON THERE.
SOMEBODY, SHE HAS THIS THERE WHEN THEY DON'T WANT IT, WHERE THEY WILL PUT IT ON IT.
MA'AM VICKY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE.I HAVE A ONE-LINE STATEMENT ON MR. DUNN'S STATEMENT ABOUT IF THE CITY WANTS TO GROW, IT SHOULD AN X, ET CETERA.
THE CITY IS NOT REALLY THAT INTERESTED IN ROLLING FAST, SLOW, AND CAREFUL.
WE WOULD JUST, UH, NEXT THE PROPERTY.
WE DON'T WANT TO, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN IT.
THE NEXT THING THAT WE HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REASON, HEY, 2.9, FOUR EIGHT ACRE TRACK, AND SOMEBODY DID SOME CAREFUL MEASURING ON CLARENDON BOULEVARD ACROSS FROM BNB QUINN, OUR SIX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO SEE THREE COMMERCIAL.
THE C3 COMMERCIAL IS CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL, THE TRACKING BOARD REZONED LAST YEAR, UH, TO OUR
AND WE GOT TOGETHER DEVELOPERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, SCHOOL, BOARD REPRESENTATIVES.
AND, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE STREET SYSTEM THROUGH THEIR PLAN EXTENSION AND, UH, TERMINAL ZONING FOR THAT AREA.
THERE WAS A SMALL AREA THAT WAS LEFT, UH, ADJACENT TO THE REAL, UH, DIRECTLY ROUTING OF THE BOSH BOULEVARD.
EXTENSION OF IT'S KIND OF LEFT OUT.
AND AS YOU SEE ON YOUR MAP, THIS AREA PROBLEM OF NOT BE DEALT WITH IS OUR SIX PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE
WE FEEL THIS ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL C3 AND TO EXPAND THE ZONE TO C3 ON THIS TRACK BASED ON CHARACTER DEER POSTS.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, WERE THERE ANY, DID YOU, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OPPOSITION TO THIS ZONING CLASSIFICATION CHANGE? I'VE NOT HEARD IT AT ALL.
WE NOW, FIRST OF ALL, WITH JASON PROPERTY OWNERS, PROPERTY HAS BEEN POSTED FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS.
WE'VE RECEIVED NO COMMENT AT ALL.
ADJACENT PROPERTY IS OFF FROM THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT? I'M MOVING CLOSE THE PUPPET HERE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT I HAVE NOT TOLD THE ROLE PLEASE.
MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
MARILYN HAD TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IS.
VENUS IS SCRATCHED A NUMBER OF FLIP NUMBER.
WHAT'S THE ONE ABOUT THE MIDTERM? 14, 14 INDIVIDUALS.
WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THEM? ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, LET ME MAKE THE MOST OF YOUR DOUBT.
CONSIDER GENET SCHOOLING I HAD IN 12 AND 14 ANY FURTHER THE SCAFFOLD.
IS THAT CALLED A ROLL PLEASE? MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
I THINK THEY CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOW A NEW FIRST PAGE SUBSTITUTED FOR THE ONE IN YOUR AGENDA BACK THEN, WHICH MR. BROUGHT OVER AT NIGHT, WHICH I PASSED OUT, CORRECT ERA IN THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH IN THE CONTRACT, THAT AGREEMENT ON REVERENCE.
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SO WORDING AND HE'S RAYMOND REFLECTED PUT IN A PUMPING STATION AND PUMP OUT THE MARIETTA ROAD.NUMBER 14 HAD PULLED IT AND THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, DO WE STILL HAVE A 12 BILL? NO.
THE REASON I ASKED NUMBER 14 TO BE POOLED IS THAT IF I COULD BE ASSURED THAT YOU WERE SO UNLIKE YOU WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS, I VOTE FOR IT, BUT WE DON'T BENEFIT.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE ILL-ADVISED FOR US TO, UH, CHANGE IT.
THAT'S BEEN ON YOUR CITY ROUTE FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
WELL, ANYWAY, ANYWAY, IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION.
UM, THE POPULATION IS CHANGING IN THIS TOWN AND I JUST THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LOCALS AREN'T GOING TO BE IN CONTROL BEFORE IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
I THINK THE APPROPRIATE, UH, REQUESTS WE NEED TO SEND TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS WE NEED TO REQUEST THAT WE RESTORE, UH, THE MIRROR BACK TO THE LAW THAT USED TO BE IN EFFECT, WHICH IS THE MIRROR ONLY BOLTS IN TIES BECAUSE AS IT EXISTS NOW, THE MIRROR, WHEREVER THE MAIL COMES FROM, IF HE CAME FROM MY DISTRICT, HE HAS TOO MUCH POWER TO SEPARATE WHAT WOULD HAVE TO ALL OF THEM, THE MAYOR AND THE, ALL THE MUNICIPAL ELECTED.
AND, UH,
I THINK THE MAYOR SHOULD ONLY VOTE IN TIES.
AND THIS, THIS STATE OF HIS NORMALLY, OR HISTORICALLY BEEN A WEAK MAYOR, STRONG COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
AND WE NEEDED TO RESTORE THAT, NOT VOTE TO, UH, HAVE THE MILL, TO BE ABLE TO RUN ELIMINATE TERMS. AND THEN HE'S ALREADY STRENGTHENED BY THE FACT THAT HE CAN VOTE ON ANY ISSUE, WHICH MEANS HE CAN INITIATE BOSCH HER.
SHE CAN INITIATE ANY KIND OF LEGISLATION.
I'M JUST NOT READY TO CHANGE THE STATUS QUO RIGHT NOW.
WE, UH, WE'RE NOT, I'M SORRY, I'M SAYING, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO CHANGE WELL, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT READY.
I'M NOT READY TO CHANGE THE, UH, THE EXISTING LAW RIGHT NOW.
I'M THE ONE THAT PUT THIS THING ON THE AGENDA AND I WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE SOUTHERN JOURNAL FOR QUOTING ME RIGHT? FOR CHANGE.
HAVE YOU READ THE PAPER? YOU KNOW, UH, IF YOU'VE GOT A GOOD OR BAD BEAR TO ME, THE VOTERS ARE THE ONES THAT PUT EVERY ONE OF US SITTING HERE IN THE MAYOR IS PUT IN BY THE ENTIRE CITY TO REPRESENT.
NOW, WHY SHOULD HE BE RESTRICTED ANY MORE THAN ANY ONE OF US SITTING HERE, YOU KNOW? AND, AND, UH, I WAS ASKED TO WRITE OVER THE PHONE.
ARE, DO I HAVE ANY INTEREST IN RUNNING FOR MAYOR? IS THIS THE REASON I WANT TO CHANGE? NO, I DON'T WANT TO BEAT ON ME.
UH, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WE HAD THINKING THAT THE VOTERS THEMSELVES CAN'T MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND.
IF YOU GOT A GOOD MAN IN THERE AND HE HAS TO MOVE OUT, YOU MIGHT GET SOMEBODY WORSE.
DID HE GET SOMEBODY WORSE? YOU CAN PUT HIM OUT IN THE LONG TERM.
I'M A STRONG BELIEVER THAT THE VOTERS SHOULD MAKE THE DECISION ON WHO GOES ON AIR.
AND I WAS, UH, I KNOW YOUR POSITION IN THE PAPER, AND I KNOW THE MAYORS AND, AND, UH, AND I HOPE IT, THE REST OF THEM CAN SEE IT THAT WAY.
I MEAN, I'M SINCERE AND FEEL, FEELING LIKE A MAYOR SHOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AS ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER AND STILL PEOPLE FORGET.
YEAH, PLEASE DON'T GET MY POSITION ON THE PEOPLE THOUGH.
LET ME MAKE MY COMMENT ON THAT AS THE MAYOR FIRST OFF, UH, IF YOU READ THE LAST SENTENCE TO DO IN THAT THING, AS I SAID, IF I RAN AGAIN, SOMEBODY CALLED ARREST, THE KID, I'M NOT RUNNING AGAIN, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS.
CAUSE BEING THE MAYOR I, BEFORE I GOT INVOLVED IN POLITICS WAS FOR TERM LIMITS, WHETHER IT WAS THE SENATOR OF THIS OR THAT OR WHATEVER, SINCE THEN, I'VE REALIZED THAT THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.
AND I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY IF GOOD PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY CAME UP AND RAN FOR OFFICES, BUT MOST TIMES THEY WON'T.
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AND SO IF YOU HAVE A GOOD PERSON IN AND OUT, THEY SAID HE HAD TO GET OUT MERELY BECAUSE NOT BECAUSE HE WAS VOTED OUT, BUT BECAUSE OF A TERM LIMIT.AND THEN THE ONLY CHOICE YOU HAD WAS BETWEEN THIS GUY AND THIS GUY THAT HAPPENED TO POP UP.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD SPOT.
WOULDN'T THAT BE FUN? I MEAN, ANY, BUT THAT WON'T HAPPEN AS LONG AS PEOPLE COME FORWARD AND RUN FOR OFFICE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO, BUT IT'S SIX YEARS OR WHATEVER I'VE BEEN IN THIS OFFICE IS THE BIG TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THE MAYOR.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S FOR THE CITY.
I MEAN THE COUNTY BOARD, EDUCATION COUNTY COMMISSIONER, WHATEVER, AS LONG AS WE HAVE PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE WRONG TERM LATER, IT'S A FINE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE ARE NOT VOTED, UH, MOTIVATED TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
THEREFORE, IN MY OPINION, TERM LIMITS FORCE YOU TO GET RID OF SOMEBODY WHO MAY BE A GREAT GUY AND REPLACE HIM WITH SOMEBODY WHO, AND NOBODY WOULD COME FORWARD.
AND EVERYBODY RATHER STAY HOME AND WATCH LARRY KING, LIKE I'M MISSING RIGHT NOW.
BUT THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE MAYOR HAVING A VOTE, I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT
SO WE'RE GOING AGAIN FROM SITTING IN THIS SEAT.
MANY A NIGHT HAS PASSED WHEN I WISH I DIDN'T HAVE, BUT BECAUSE I COULD HIDE BEHIND ONE, A LOT OF, A LOT OF OTHER MAYORS LACKING, THEY CAN, AND GEE, I WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR IT.
YOU KNOW,
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE AND ROBERT POWELL, REAL GOOD FRIENDS, THIS JUST SHOWS YOU HAVE DEMOCRACY WORKS.
WE CAN EVEN DISAGREE AND STILL BE GOOD FOR HIM.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE DISSERVICE TO THE PERSON WHO'S SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT ALL OF THE WAR.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T KNOW WHERE I LIVE IS WATCH OUR SHOW FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS COULD GUESS WHAT WARD I CAME FROM, NOT BY HOW OFF PANEL MYSELF.
AND I DO THAT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE CHARGE OF WHAT ME AND THE MAYOR MEANS.
AND THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SORTA LIKE THE CONGRESS AND THE SENATE.
YOU KNOW, THE ONE GUY WHO'S KIND OF SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE OVER BEEF IT UP.
WE ALL DO TO SOME DEGREE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE OUR CONCENTRATED AREA.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BILL'S MOTION.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ROBERTS.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHETHER THEY WENT OR WHETHER IT'S TERM LIMITS OR NOT, BECAUSE HAD A HONDA, THEY MIGHT BE PEOPLE COMING FORWARD AT A RUN FOR THESE OFFICES.
THEY MIGHT'VE SEEN THE LIGHT IN DC AND EVERYWHERE ELSE, BUT I DON'T AGREE THAT THE MAYOR SHOULD NOT VOTE BECAUSE THAT WAY HE COULD ALLOWS A MAYOR WHO MIGHT WANT TO HIDE FROM THE ISSUE TO BE ABLE TO HIDE.
AND HE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
IF HE'S THE GUY HANGING IN THE BIBLE, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.
IT'S NOT FUN BEING THE LAST GUY.
THE OTHER IS ALREADY FOLDED TO THE WHATEVER, BUT MOST TIMES IT AIN'T BE FUN BEING ON THE END.
BUT ANYHOW, THAT'S ENOUGH OF MINE.
I, MY POSITION IS, I DON'T THINK TERM LIMITS ARE CONSTITUTIONAL SIMPLY BECAUSE THE BILL OF RIGHTS GIVES EVERY INDIVIDUAL IN THIS COUNTRY, EVERY CITIZEN, THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE.
AS LONG AS THE CANDIDATE IS QUALIFIED, AGE, CITIZENSHIP, ET CETERA.
IF YOU INSTILL TERM LIMITS, YOU DO YOU TAKE AWAY THAT RIGHT? GUARANTEED FOR THEM TO VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE OF THEIR CHOICE.
ON THE OTHER HAND, A CANDIDATE, A PERSON WHO IS ALREADY IN OFFICE HAS A DISTINCT ADVANTAGE OVER SOMEONE RUNNING AGAINST THEM.
THE CONGRESS HAS SEEN FIT TO LIMIT THE PRESIDENT TO TWO TERMS. THE STATE HAS SAID TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. THE STATE HAS SEEN FIT TO LIMIT THE GOVERNOR TO TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A MAYOR.
THEY HAVE A CHAIRMAN WHICH CHANGES EVERY YEAR.
SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A CHAIRMAN WHO'S GOING TO SERVE 16 YEARS STRAIGHT OR SOMETHING.
SO THEY MUST HAVE THESE PEOPLE.
MUST'VE HAD A REASON FOR SETTING THESE LIMITS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, BUT THEY SEEM TO WORK.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO FIX IT, MAX.
THE REASON WHY IT'S LIKE THAT.
UH, WELL, FIRST OFF, THE REASON THAT THOSE LARGER OFFICES ARE THAT WAY IS BECAUSE THAT PERSON CAN USE GOVERNMENTAL MONEY AND SO FORTH TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMEBODY SAID DOWN THE LINE TO CERTAIN, A CERTAIN PERSON IS RUNNING FOR CONGRESS OR MAY RUN FOR SENATE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK WAS FLYING BACK AND FORTH ON GOVERNMENT MONEY, YOU KNOW, GOING, UH, NINE TIMES, I THINK THEY SAID ON TV, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THE
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MAYOR OFF IS THIS OPPORTUNITY.AND IN FACT, I CAME IN HERE, UH, NOT BECAUSE OF THE GUY'S TERM LIMITS RUNNING OUT, BUT IN FACT THAT ONE OPEN IN KONA AND A VERY GOOD MAYOR, I MIGHT POINT OUT.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
AND SO I THINK THAT IN THE CASE OF LIKE A GOVERNOR OR SOMEBODY OF THAT NATURE, WHERE MOST OF WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT PERSON, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON HIS NATIONALLY, NOT NATIONAL TV ADS AND THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER.
AND PLUS HIS ABILITY TO DO CALL THIS HUGE CAMPAIGN MONEY THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE TO HAVE RUN FOR OFFICE MAKES IT A DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
AND AGAIN, DOESN'T MATTER, IT'S NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT GOING TO MESS UP THE REPAIRMENT.
IF WE HAVE TERM LIMITS ON THEM, I HEAR I'M NOT THAT SKILLED.
AND THE, AND THE STATEMENT HE MADE BACKS UP.
WELL, ONE THING THE MAYOR AND THE CITY OF NEWBURGH DOES NOT HAVE A TERM LIMIT BECAUSE THE MAN HE DEFEATED WAS SERVING HIS THIRD TERM.
YOU JUST CAN'T HOLD IT TO, YOU CAN ONLY HOLD TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS, BUT AFTER YOU'VE BEEN OUT OF OFFICE ONCE, OR YOU CAN RUN FOR ALL OF THEM AFTER YOUR SECOND TERM, AS MAYOR OR CA OR COUNTY COMMISSIONER OR WHATEVER.
BUT AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE MAYOR SEAT FOR ONE TERM, YOU CAN RUN AGAIN FOR TWO TERMS. SO THERE IS NO REAL TWO TERM LIMIT ON THE MAYOR IN THE CITY OF TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS, WHICH MAKES YOU KIND OF WONDER WHY, WHY WOULD IT BE GOING TO THE GUY TO SERVE FOR SKIP FORWARD WITH ANOTHER OTHER, BUT NOT GOOD FOR HIM TO SERVE WELL CONSECUTIVELY AGAIN, IT'S JUST, BUT THANKFULLY AS I OWNED IT FOR THE MAYOR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT AGAIN, AND THEY CALL AND REPUBLIC, NO MATTER WHICH WAY IT GOES, I'VE GOT A GREAT CATCH.
I RESPECT BILL FOR MAKING THIS PROPOSAL AND I RESPECT ROBERT FOR HIS INPUT, BUT I AM FIRM BELIEVER IN TERM LIMITS, OR THIS IS MY FIRST TERM AND I MAY NOT BE HERE NEXT TIME OF THE VOTERS.
WELL, I BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS STILL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE, UH, A YES, VOTE THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE FOR YOU AS BEING A VERY GOOD MAYOR.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER YOU TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION AND RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM.
I NEED TO CONTINUITY AND OFFICE.
AND MY VOTE IS A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE TO THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING.
UH, APPRECIATE POSITIVE WORDS, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
IF THIS WAS APPROVED AND PASSED, YOU SEE ME SIGN UP FOR IT.
PLEASE REMIND ME THAT I NEED MEDICAL HELP AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN TAKE ME AND I WILL, I WILL GO AND COMMIT MYSELF TO BE LOOKED AT.
I REMEMBER, I DON'T REMEMBER HERE THAT SAME IN MARCH.
AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE SITTING RIGHT HERE CONVINCED ME THAT WHEN I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY TWO YEARS, HE WAS HAPPY.
ANYWAY, THAT'S TWO AND A HALF YEARS OLD.
THE LADY WOULD HAVE REQUIRED A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
I'M NOT MAKING CHANGES THAT WOULD COME UP NEXT YEAR.
IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW WE WORK.
WHY DON'T Y'ALL DO THIS SINCE I'M NOT GOING TO, AND SINCE IT AIN'T GOING TO AFFECT ME ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY I WANT YOU TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
AND THEN WAIT UNTIL I'M OUT OF HERE AND THEN VOTE FOR IT.
AND THAT WAY IT'LL PROVE THAT I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
AND BEING WITH KIDS DO BEFORE THE FALL,
FIRST WHEN I FIRST SAW IT, IT WASN'T LIKE NEWS TO ME WHEN IT CAME UP ON A CONSENT AGENDA.
AND, UM, PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT I I'M TRYING TO, I LIKE TO GET FACTS AND I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO BEFORE WE PUT THINGS LIKE THIS, AS SERIOUS AS ASKING THE LEGISLATORS TO CHANGE SOMETHING, UH, LIKE THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS USED TO.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S JUST UNTIMELY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MOTIVATES IS OTHER THAN TONE AND SAYS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
THEN I WOULD RATHER SEE US NOT EVEN BE ENTERTAINING THIS AT THIS TIME.
I THINK WE NEED AN AWFUL LOT MORE INFORMATION.
NO, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD SUGGESTION.
WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT IT TO A VOTE.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION AND WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.
WELL, I DID REQUEST TO SEND THE REQUEST TO THE LEGISLATORS, BE DENIED THAT WE DON'T DO IT WITHIN A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
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MY MOTION IS AT THE REQUEST TO A, JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, WHICH IS THE SAME THING.I WANT US THE MOTION RESOLUTION TO REQUEST THE LEGISLATION TO CHANGE THE ATTORNEY.
AS I SAID, I'M OPPOSED TO THAT.
SO YOU WITHDRAWING YOUR SECOND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH IT ON THIS THING.
THEY WITHDRAWAL THAT HE'S MOTIVATION THAT WE ADOPTED.
DO WE HEAR THAT? I HEAR A SLACK AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I I'LL SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE, MAN.
THIS IS THAT WE DO NOT ASK THE LEGISLATURE PASSED.
WE'LL DO WHATEVER, WHICHEVER WAY WE VOTED.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE THING.
THIS IS, HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH TOM.
LIKE I SAY, IF I THOUGHT TOM WAS GONNA RUN AGAIN, I WOULD'VE VOTED TO DO, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME HAVING ANY INTEREST IN THE OFFICE BECAUSE I AIN'T GOING TO RUN EITHER.
SO WE'LL SEE WHO MAYOR NEXT TIME.
FIRST OF ALL, THIS STUFF, NANCY FIELDS ON THE PARENTS ATHLETE COMMITTEE WAS HERE AND HE HAD WRITTEN THE MAN LETTER AND HE WANTED TO CHALLENGE YOU GUYS TO A SOFTBALL GAME, THAT BULLET OF ALL THE MEN AND THE CITY, UH, PROGRAM DIRECTORS CHAMPION WITH THE CHALLENGE.
YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS TO PLAY BASE SOFTBALL AGAINST THE PARENT COMMITTEE FROM THE STANDING THE 21ST
HE SUGGESTED THAT THE DATE JUNE 21ST WEEK, I TOLD HIM TO COME BACK ON A, I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT.
IF IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO CHANGE THE DATE WE PLAYED AN OX COUNTS, CORRECT? SUNDAY EVENING.
THE FIRST TIME AROUND IN THOSE BASES, WHERE IS IT? IT WAS NOT MAN.
WE WENT THERE, BUT WE WERE STILL FOR TWO WEEKS.
THAT'S THE SECOND THING I HAVE IS IN REGARDS TO THE TAXI CAB FRANCHISES.
NOW THERE WERE, AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A PROBLEM TONIGHT.
WE HAD SAID TO MR. BROOKS TO MR. PROM, TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND GET ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE POLICE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DO WHAT THEY SAY AND BRING IT BACK ON TONIGHT.
AND SO THEY DID ONLY TO FIND OUT TODAY THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS WE MUST HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE SUBMITTED 10 DAYS BEFORE THEY ARE ABLE TO COME IN, WAS TO BE APPROVED.
SO I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE ANTICIPATED IN GETTING BACK TO WORK AND YOU TAXI TAXICABS HAS BEEN GROUNDED AND EVERYTHING.
THEY WERE ANTICIPATING GETTING BACK TO WORK.
AS OF TODAY, AFTER TONIGHT, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PAPERS, RIGHT? CHIEF AND EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER.
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EVERYTHING ONLY TO FIND OUT THIS AFTERNOON THAT THEY CANNOT BE GRANTED THEIR FRANCHISES TONIGHT BECAUSE OF A PUBLIC HEARING.AND I'VE TALKED TO AN ATTORNEY WHO SAYS, ACCORDING TO IT'S AN OUTWARD OR SOMEBODY WHO'S ORDINANCE WOMEN, DON'T LIKE TO TAKE NO ONE ASKING THE OPINION THAT IF IT'S OUT OR THIS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT I WANT TO.
AND IF I NEED TO MAKE SOME ALLOWANCES, SOMETIMES THAT I CAN.
I EVER, I BELIEVE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS CHOSEN.
MY LAST ONE SAID, HOW DID YOU GET INVOLVED IN CHARGE OF THE CHECKS AND STUFF? ALL THE TECHIE FOLKS WHO COME INTO MY HOUSE, I GUESS, BECAUSE I'M EASILY ASSESSABLE.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY'VE BEEN COMING AND ASKING ME QUESTIONS AND I'LL SEND THEM BACK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TELL THEM WHAT IT IS THAT THEY NEED TO DO.
AND THEN THEY'LL CHECK BACK WITH ME.
AND SO TONIGHT, WHEN I WAS GETTING READY TO COME TO MEETING, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE COMING BECAUSE I HAD HAD THEM TO CALL AROUND TO TELL THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT READ IT TONIGHT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING.
AND SO THEY WERE KIND OF BOTHERED BY THAT.
THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU GAVE IT TO THIS ONE AND HE DIDN'T HAVE HER COME IN HERE.
AND HE GAVE IT TO THAT ONE AND YOU KNOW, THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO WE KIND OF BEEN IN THAT OF LAX STYLE SALES AND KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, IF THERE IS, IF THERE WAS ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE ONLY ASKED THE ATTORNEYS, THEY KNOW, BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM CONSIDERATION, CAN WE DETAIL THEM IN THE LAST MEETING TO COME BACK HERE TONIGHT THAT WE WOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST STOP THAT.
AND THERE'S AN ORDINANCE WE FORMED WILL UPHOLD THEM, ENFORCE THE ORDINANCES AND WE'D HAVE TO RE FEEL THEY WON'T HAVE TO CHANGE.
THE CODE REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICATION BE FILED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT STARTS THE PROCEEDED.
THE CODE SAYS THAT WITHIN 20 DAYS AFTER THE APPLICATION IS FILED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE THAT PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY REQUIRE THE ISSUANCE OR A FRANCHISE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE, CONVENIENCE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD HAVE DONE.
AS FAR AS THE PROOF IS CONCERNED, WE HAVE EVERY YEAR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE APPLICANT, THE CAB COULD COME IN AND MAKE THE CAKES.
THEY HAD NOT MADE THE OCCASION.
I SUPPOSE IT'S BEEN HANDLED RIGHT UP THE FRONT WHEN THEY BUY THE POOL.
BUT IN EVERY CASE THAT HAD BEEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THE FRANCHISE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ADOPTED TWICE.
THAT'S REQUIRED BY STATE LAW ADOPTED ON FIRST RAVEN AND APPROVED ON BERKELEY.
COULD WE MAKE A MOTION NOW TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR NEXT REGULAR SESSION? NEXT REGULAR MEETING NEED TO, CAN WE HAVE THE MEETING NOW? SO THE NEXT TIME WE GET APPROVAL, DON'T PUSH I'M CONCERNED.
YOU CAN REPEAL THE WHOLE THING, BUT IF YOU DO, THEN YOU'VE GOT NO CONTROL OVER THE CANDIDATES.
PROBABLY I'M SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE NEED TO HAVE A CAT SCAN.
SO NOW, SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING THEY GOT TO WAIT 20 DAYS, 20 DAYS, WE CAN GET THE FIRST HEARING THE END, THE FIRST ADOPTION AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JUNE.
AND IT WILL BE ADOPTED ON THE SECOND MEETING THE SECOND WEEK.
THOSE ARE THE RULES THAT ARE HERE AND IN THE STATE THAT THEY REQUIRE OF ANY FRANCHISE TO BE ADOPTED WIFE'S OKAY.
WOULD THAT MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT WORK NOW TWO MONTHS? WELL, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD CREATED ANOTHER THING, BOB, UNLESS WE DO IT RIGHT.
IF WE DO IT, IF YOU TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE RULES OR TAKE A SHORTCUT, WE LEAVE OURSELVES OPEN TO BEING SUED, PROBABLY FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES, OUR OWN RULES.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I COULD SEE IT.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE THAT CASE FOR THE FACT THAT WE ALLOWED SOMEONE TO OPERATE FRANCHISES FOR YEARS AND NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF.
WE'RE NOT, WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY, BUT WE DID NOT.
AND THE MISCELLANEOUS, I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.
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NO, ACTUALLY THE ONLY THING IS, UH, I HAD TO DO WITH MY ACCOUNT FORGOTTEN, GOING OUT.OH, WHERE DO WE STAND WITH? RAISING THE HOUSES WITH THE MONEY FROM FEMA TO RAISE THE HOUSE.
IF SOMEONE ASKED ME TODAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED OF THE HURRICANE SEASON, UH, THE C AND
THE FINAL LATER, I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING THREE MONTHS? ARE WE TALKING SIX MONTHS, TWO, THREE MONTHS.
AS I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME THEY TOLD US ABOUT 60 DAYS, YOU DID SAY ABOUT 60 DAYS AT FIRST TIME WHEN WE FIRST GOT 60 TO 90 DAYS.
WELL, THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE GETTING REAL NERVOUS.
I HELPED THEM GET SOME FURNITURE AND WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN.
NO, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE GOT PRESENTED.
IT'S ABOUT 14 ITEMS. I'LL GET A LITTLE FRESH FIRST.
I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MR. CLARK.
HE HAS AN ITEM FOR YOUR KITCHEN.
CLARK HAS AN ITEM, MR. THE IS LOCATED AT TWO 12 TO 26 FIRST STREET, THE 90 DAYS AT INSPIRE.
AND I'M HERE TO SEE WHAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE US TO DO.
AND I HAVE AN ORDINANCE NAME AND THE ORDINANCE SAYS TO DEMOLISH, DID THIS, DID THEY KNOW TO BE HERE TODAY? YEAH, THEY KNEW IT WAS.
NO, NO HOLD, HOLD, HOLD, HOLD, HOLD IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
JUST DON'T DO IT BECAUSE LET THE MAN COME DOWN HERE AND SHOW WHAT HE'S DONE.
JUST DON'T DO IT SUMMARILY WITHOUT ANY KIND OF NOTICE.
JUST DID YOU TELL HIM YOU WERE COMING DOWN HERE TODAY WITH A DEMOLITION ORDINANCE? WE TOLD HIM LAST TIME HE WAS HERE.
I STILL WANT HIM TO COME DOWN FOR 10 YEARS.
HE SAID THIS MORNING TO US THAT HE HAD NOT DONE ANYTHING.
SO HE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO TAKE SOME ACTION, BUT WE DIDN'T TELL HIM HE WAS GOING TO BE ACTION TAKEN TONIGHT.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT LOOKS BAD, BUT I'M NOT SATISFIED IN MY MIND.
THAT'S IT'S AN EMINENT THREAT.
NO ONE HAS SAID IT WAS AN IMMINENT THREAT.
IT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE COON AS A WAY TO CODE IS WRITTEN THE METER CRITERIA TO COLD.
SO WHY, SO IF IT'S NOT AN IMMINENT THREAT, SO IT DOESN'T MEET THE CODE.
SO YOU CAN'T PUT ANYBODY IN IT.
SO WHY DO YOU WANT TO DEMOLISH IT? BECAUSE THEY'RE FALLING DOWN.
THEY ALL FALLEN APART AND THEY ARE PULLING DOWN INTERNALLY.
NOW, IF IT'S BOARDED UP, NOBODY CAN GET IN IT.
NOT BOARDED UP OF THEM HAD BEEN WIDE OPEN SINCE THE LAST MEETING WAS RANDOM.
SINCE THE NIGHT WE WERE HERE, I WISH I WISH YOU HAD TOLD HIM TO BE HERE.
LISTEN, I TOLD HIM WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO, BUT THAT'S FINE.
I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE TO TEAR IT DOWN WITHOUT HIM KNOWING ABOUT IT.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH THE NEXT LEGAL STEP IS ADVISED BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE.
WELL THAT HAVE A PROVISION FOR YOU TO GIVE HIM A CALL AND SAY, I'M GOING TO MY NECK.
MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION WHICH WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WITH OTHER ORDINANCES, ADOPT NEW ORDINANCE DENIED AND LET MR DILLAHUNTY KNOW THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS THE CITY WILL TAKE THE HOUSE DOWN.
IF HE DOESN'T TAKE, NAH, I GOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
NO, YOU GOTTA GET SECOND PERSON.
I GOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE PUT THIS MATTER ON FOR THE NEXT AGENDA.
AND THEN NOTIFY HIM THAT WE PUT THE MOST OFF.
WE PUT THE ORDINANCE ON FOR THE NEXT, DO I HEAR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? I'LL ROBERT 17.
I SAY, THIS IS WHY THE MAYOR ROBERT.
HE HAS, HE HAS AN AVENUE OF APPEAL, RIGHT?
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JOHNNY? YES, SIR.HE CAN DO WHAT MR. HARTMAN, GIVEN YOUR 30 DAYS.
SORRY, YOU CAN COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
AND HE HAS OTHER AVENUES OF APPEAL.
THE MOTION IS TO NOT PROCEED WITH THE ORDINANCE TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE, GIVING HIM 30 MORE DAYS.
I'VE GIVING HIM 30 DAYS, BUT LET NOTIFYING HIM THAT HE'S GOT 30 DAYS OUT OF THE HOUSE.
THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER NOTES, I GUESS.
HOW MUCH TIME CAN WE GIVE SOMEBODY MORE DAYS? I HAVE THREE ITEMS HERE.
IF YOU WANT TO ADOPT THEM ALL AT ONE TIME, THAT'S FINE.
THEY'RE ABOUT THE INTENT TO REIMBURSE THEM AND THEY BUDGET ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR THE, UH, ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR THE NINE 11 BUILDING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE BUDGET WORK SESSION, UH, THE INCREASE OF THAT FUND SO THAT WE CAN PAY FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND FOR THE, UH, BUILDING THIS KIND OF GO UP WITH THE OVERRUNS THAT WE HAD.
THESE, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME, WE CAN GO THROUGH IT JUST SAYS, UH, FIRST ONE IS, UH, SAYS THAT SECTION THREE OF THE DECLARATION OF FISHERMEN CAN'T ADOPTED ON JUNE 23RD AND THEN AMENDED AUGUST 25TH, SEPTEMBER 22ND, OCTOBER 13TH AND MARCH 23RD.
IT'S FURTHER AMENDED INCREASE.
THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPLE BONDS ISSUED TO FINANCE PROGRAM BY 750,200, 2,500,500, $3,470.
SECOND ITEM IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE FAT MONEY SO THAT IT CAN BE USED FOR THE PURPOSES THAT YOU'VE JUST AUTHORIZED.
BUT THE THIRD ORDINANCE AMENDS THE DECORATION OFFICIAL INTENT TO REIMBURSE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE CAN SPEND OUR MONEY NOW AND THEN GET THAT MONEY BACK WHENEVER THE INSTALLMENT PROCEEDS ARE SIMILARLY.
NOW I HAVE TWO ITEMS. FIRST IS THE LEASE ON THAT PROPERTY, THE RIGHT PROPERTY, PAULA
I RECOMMEND ITS APPROVAL IN THE RESOLUTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO BE CRAZY THE ADOPTERS WITH ALL THESE FIGURES ON IT, WE DISAGREE WITH IT OR WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
WHERE'S THE CONTRACT LOOK UP THE WRONG THING.
I HATE ABOUT DOING THESE THINGS AT THE LAST MINUTE CAN ROB
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE D THAT'S THE ONLY THING RIGHT NOW.
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THE PROPERTY OF THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE CRISPARE WE GOING TO CHARGE FOR PARKING BACK THERE? THE ONLY FOUR? I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THE MONEY THAT WE GET FROM THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE MSD MSD, WE'LL BE FUNDING THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS, THIS IS BEING FUNDED BY THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES.
WELL, THEN ONE OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE FOR PARKING.
IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE MSP AND GO BACK TO THE MUNICIPAL CIRCLE.
WE'RE PAYING THE MONEY NOW THE MEDICAL SERVICE DISTRICT'S PAYING THEM.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING.
I DON'T MIND SPENDING SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY TO DO YOUR ROBERT.
I WOULDN'T GET THE VOTE ON THIS.
IF YOU HAD
WE HAVE AN ISSUE FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I WANT TO GET THE BUDGET OUT FIRST AND THEN, UH, ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO JUST BRIEFLY, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE BUDGET.
I'LL GET THIS POSTED WITH YOU.
UH, AND I'LL JUST GO OVER THIS.
YOU'VE GOT A COPY OF THE BUDGET MESSAGE IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO I WON'T READ IT TO YOU FOR REDUNDANCY.
I WOULD JUST SAY OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR IS ABOUT ALMOST A PERCENT LOWER THAN LAST YEAR.
THE REASON IS NOT BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING LESS MONEY FOR OPERATIONS.
THE REASON IS BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE MONEY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS THIS PAST YEAR AND THEY'VE BEEN DECREASED.
SO THE NET RESULT WAS A SMALL INCREASE AND INCLUDES A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT COST OF LIVING INCREASE FOR, UH, ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES.
IT ALSO, UH, UH, DOES NOT ANTICIPATE ANY INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES DOES NOT ANTICIPATE AN INCREASE IN CEMETERY FEES.
AND IT ALSO IS RECOMMENDING AN INCREASE IN SEWER RATES STARTING IN JANUARY, 2000, UH, 5%, EVERY SIX MONTHS, AT LEAST THROUGH THE YEAR 2001 TO PREPARE US FOR THE, UH, UH, UPCOMING EXPANSION OF THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT.
BY DOING THIS, WE SHOULD SAY SIGNIFICANTLY ON THE AMOUNT OF RATE INCREASE IT WILL HAVE TO DO AT THAT TIME.
UH, LET'S SEE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF NEW POSITIONS, FEW NEW POSITIONS IN THIS BUDGET.
UH, THE WATER FUND IS SUFFICIENT THIS YEAR, BUT WE NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON IT BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT ON THE MARGIN.
BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.
UH, SAY I'VE GONE OVER THE SUPER FUND WITH YOU.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE BUDGET.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I KNOW YOU'VE ALL DELVED INTO IT QUITE A BIT ALREADY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN I'LL BE AT YOUR DISPOSAL.
WELL, I HAVE TAKEN THE LIBERTY OF SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, UH, BUDGET FOR JUNE 8TH, WHICH IS YOUR FIRST REGULAR MEETING IN JUNE.
WE SHOULDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I GUESS WE GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL MATTERS.
NOW PROPERTY, DO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING? UH, THAT'S JUST PRESENTED TO YOU.
THEN WHEN I SCHEDULED A HEARING, YOU'LL HOLD THE HEARING NEXT PAGE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO, SIR.
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YES.