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UH, IS REVEREND HARVEY MCLAURIN PRESENT.
ROBIN MCCLAREN HAS PASSED UP TRINITY UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, AND HE WILL LEAD US IN PRAYER.
LET'S OPEN OUR HEARTS TO GOD'S POWER AND LONG FATHER.
GOD, WE PRAISE YOUR NAME FOR THE GREATNESS OF YOUR CREATION.
THE IMMENSENESS OF IT, THE SPLENDAS OF THE SKY, THE COOLNESS OF THE BREEZE, THE BEAUTY OF OUR RIVERS PLANTS AND THE TREES, LIFE, ABUNDANT ANIMALS, PEOPLE GRANT US GOD TONIGHT, THE WISDOM, THE LOVE AND THE STRENGTH TO MAKE DECISIONS AND TO DEVELOP PLANS THAT WERE BLESSED.
YOUR CREATION WITH OPPORTUNITY, WITH WONDERS, WITH LOVE, WITH HOPE, WITH EVERY NEED IN YOUR HOLY NAME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US, BRINGING THE PREP.
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE NEW-BORN BOARD.
WE'RE ALL IN THE MEETING ON BEHALF OF THE ALDERMAN, THE STAFF, WE HAVE AN AGENDA THAT WE WILL FOLLOW WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS THAT I'LL EXPLAIN YOU.
CALL THE ROLE-PLAYS THANK YOU.
TWO OF THE ALDERMAN HAVE REQUESTED THAT ITEM, 15 APPROVED PROPOSED PARK PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT DONATION.
WE MOVED UP, UH, TO ITEM AFTER WE DISCUSSED CONSIDER RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION FOR CITY EMPLOYEES AND ONE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. OTHER THAN THAT, WE WILL FOLLOW THE AGENDA AS WE HAVE AT THIS TIME.
WE'LL GO TO ITEM THREE, CONSIDER RESOLUTION OF APPRECIATION FOR CITY EMPLOYEES.
MR. HARMON, MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO US.
UH, MR. MAYOR, THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS DRAFTED AS A RESULT OF REQUEST OF THE BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, COMMENDING, THE EMPLOYEES WHO HAD TO WORK SUCH LONG HOURS DURING THE STORM, WHICH WE HAD RECENTLY AND, UH, THE QUICK RECOVERY THAT WE EXPERIENCED AS A RESULT OF THAT WORK.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE WOULD APPROVE A STIPEND OF $50 FOR EACH OF THOSE EMPLOYEES.
SO THEY COULD JUST GO OUT AND HAVE A MEAL, TAKE THEIR FAMILY OUT SINCE THEIR FAMILIES HAD TO DO WITHOUT THEM FOR A EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, WE DID DO THIS ONE OTHER OCCASION.
IT WAS VERY WELL-RECEIVED AND I'D RECOMMEND THAT WE DO IT AGAIN.
MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE-PLAYS YES, YES, YES THANK YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ONE ITEM UP IN THE MISCELLANEOUS.
AND AT THIS TIME WE'LL CALL ON THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IT GIVES ME A GREAT PLACE TO TELL YOU TONIGHT THEY CHECKED 10 11 IN THE SUM OF $80,000, WHICH IS SEVEN, WHICH THIS BOARD AGREED TO ACCEPT FROM CALICO IN CONNECTION WITH THE SUIT FOR LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.
I THINK IT WAS A BIT OF SEVEN.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT YOU EXPENDED IN ARRIVING AT THIS SETTLEMENT.
AND I IN TURN WILL PASS IT ON TO THE CITY MANAGER.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO TO ITEM, WHICH IS UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS APPROVED PROPOSED
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PARK PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT DONATIONS.MR. MAYA IS HERE TO REPRESENT IN THIS GROUP.
I LIVE IN 4,903 MORTON ROAD IN NEWBURN.
UM, I THINK YOU ALL ARE USED TO SEEING ME UP HERE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, TONIGHT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT AN AFFORDABLE PLAYGROUND AND I SAY AFFORDABLE BECAUSE WE'VE, UM, PUT TOGETHER A GROUP OF 20 PEOPLE WHO ARE READY AND WILLING TO PUT IN THEIR TIME AND EFFORT TO RAISE THE MONEY AND THE VOLUNTEERS TO BUILD YOU ONE AND TO DONATE IT TO YOU AND PUT IT AT FOUR TIMES AND PAR I HAVE SOME ENLARGE PICTURES OF SOME OF THE PICTURES YOU ALREADY HAVE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, UM, CLOSER.
THIS IS A PLAYGROUND BY THE SAME ARCHITECT AND NEWPORT NEWS, VIRGINIA.
UM, AS I PUT IN THE MEMO, I THINK EACH OF YOU GOT, UM, BEFORE THIS MEETING, THE ARCHITECT THAT WE WANT TO USE HAS DONE OVER 700 OF THESE COMMUNITY BUILT PROJECTS.
UM, IT WILL BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTRACT WITH THEM, TO SET UP A DESIGN DAY FOR THEM TO COME TO NEWBURN AND MEET WITH SCHOOL CHILDREN, GET THEIR INPUT ON WHAT KIND OF, WHAT THEY WANT ON THEIR PLAYGROUND, UM, TO CONTRACT WITH THEM FOR THE DESIGN AND THE SUPERVISOR CONSTRUCTION.
IT WILL BE OUR JOB TO GET ALL THE PEOPLE TO GO OUT THERE AND BUILD IT.
THEY TELL US FROM THREE TO FIVE DAYS, UM, AND ALL OF THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO.
UM, IF THE CITY IS WILLING TO LET US PUT IT AT FORT TOTTEN PARK, WE PICKED THAT SITE AFTER MEETING WITH YOUR PARKS AND REC PEOPLE, UM, CONSIDERING ALL SORTS OF FACTORS, LOCATION, ACCESS, UM, IT HAS WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS. AND THIS PLAYGROUND WE PROPOSE WOULD MEET THE ADA AND HAVE FACILITIES FOR DISABLED CHILDREN.
UM, AND SO THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE BATHROOMS WAS A BIG PLUS TO US.
IT ALREADY HAS WATER FOUNTAINS.
UM, FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THAT SIDE.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT TO YOU CAUSE I KNOW YOU GOT A LONG AGENDA TONIGHT AND I'VE ALREADY SENT OUT MATERIAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO ON THROUGH THESE ITEMS, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOME MATERIAL, SOMEONE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OF HAVING THE QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, HALDEMAN BALLENGER, THE BEST I COULD GATHER FROM THE LITERATURE AND ALL WE HAD IS THAT Y'ALL WOULD KEEP THIS UP, BILL IT, THE ONLY THING THAT THE CITY WOULD BE LIABLE FOR WAS, IS IT SLOPPY THE INSURANCE FOR THE PARKS, LIKE, LIKE WHERE YOU'RE USING AND THEN ROUTINE MAINTENANCE ON IT? UH, WHAT, WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IS AS PART OF THE, PART OF THE STRUCTURE THAT THE ARCHITECT HELPS US WITH IS GETTING OURSELVES ORGANIZED.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ALWAYS RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU SET UP A FRIENDS OF THE PLAYGROUND COMMITTEE TO, UM, GIVE VOLUNTEER LABOR ONCE A YEAR.
THIS, UM, PLAYGROUND HAS MADE A TREATED LUMBER AND IT HAS TO BE SANDED AND SEALED ONCE A YEAR.
UM, WE WILL HELP ORGANIZE A FRIENDS OF THE PLAYGROUND COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE OVER THAN THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN INVOLVED IN BUILDING IT.
UM, SO YOU HAVE RENEWED INTEREST THEY'VE SUPPOSEDLY WILL REPLACE THEMSELVES ONCE A YEAR AND DO PROVIDE THE LABOR, THE SAND AND SEAL ONCE A YEAR.
UM, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE CITY PROVIDE THE MATERIALS FOR THAT AND THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, LIKE PICKING UP THE TRASH AROUND IT AND WHATEVER NEEDED TO BE DONE DAY TO DAY ON YOUR, LIKE YOU WOULD WITH YOUR OTHER PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
UM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE THAT COMMITTEE TO HELP WITH LABOR, TO SAND AND SEAL IT ONCE A YEAR.
AND WE ARE, UM, WILLING TO, AS PART OF OUR FUNDRAISING, GO AHEAD AND COMMIT TO RAISE SOME MONEY FOR A MAINTENANCE ENDOWMENT TO GIVE TO THE CITY BECAUSE WE HAVE JUST AS MUCH INTEREST WE COMMITTED A YEAR OF OUR LIVES TO RAISING THIS MONEY AND BUILDING THIS PLAYGROUND WE'RE AS INTERESTED IN YOU AS YOU ARE AND MAKING SURE IT STAYS THE WAY IT IS WHEN WE FINISHED WITH IT.
UM, AND WE WOULD BE WILLING TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE CITY OUT OF OUR FUNDRAISING MONEY AS PART OF OUR CAMPAIGN MCCLANAHAN.
UM, MR. MAYA WOULD LIKE TO SAY HOW REFRESHING IT IS FOR SOMEONE TO COME WITH A, A, UM, A PROBLEM RESOLVED OR, OR, OR WAY TO, TO TAKE A STEP FORWARD AND DO IT INSTEAD OF PRESENTING US WITH A PROBLEM.
I WANT TO COMMEND ALL OF YOU AND, UH, YOU ABOUT THIS AS YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHEN I JUST THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA.
AND I'M SO PROUD OF, UH, OF, UH, UM, WHAT'S IT CALLED NOW COMMITTEE, UH, FROM THE CHANGE,
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THE LEADERSHIP CREATORSHIP, I'M SO PROUD LEADERSHIP CRIME PANEL PUT Y'ALL, GRADUATED, MEN FORGOTTEN THE NAME, BUT ANYWAY, I'M SO PROUD OF YOU ALL DOING SOMETHING SO PAUSED AND IT'S GONNA MAKE SUCH A DIFFERENCE TO OUR COMMUNITY.AND I APPLAUD ALL OF YOU FOR THAT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSED MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED ON DISCUSSION.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ECHO AUTO MCCLANAHAN'S COMMENTS.
I THINK SHE SPEAKS FOR ALL THE BOARD AND A THANK YOU FOR THIS KIND OF PARTNERSHIP THAT YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO COME BEARING GIFTS, BUT CERTAINLY WE APPRECIATE THIS AS A GIFT, BUT JUST A GOOD POSITIVE WAY OF COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP, WHICH WE NEED IN MANY RESPECTS.
NO, I JUST LIKE TO PASS THESE PHOTOGRAPHS.
I'VE GOT TO THE NEWSPAPER IN CASE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO ANYTHING ON IT.
READY FOR THE QUESTION, BUT AGAIN, IT IN WRITING, WELL, I'LL SAY WRITE THAT DOWN.
SHE'S IN CHARGE OF VOLUNTEERS.
IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE A, DID YOU WANT THESE BACK? I WAS WONDERING IF SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE MIGHT WANT TO SEE THEM, WE COULD PASS THROUGH, UM, THE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE COULD PROBABLY USE THEM AS PART OF THEIR, FOR A FUNDRAISING.
WE CAN PASS THEM TO DON THEN ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, LET IT BE KNOWN BEHIND OPPOSES MOTION CHARACTER.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO TO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS REQUESTING PETITIONS OF CITIZENS.
I LIKE TO TELL DAVE ROSE HIS WIFE, THAT HE DID TALK TO ME TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE SAYS, IF YOU HAVE A REQUEST OR A PETITION, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU COME TO THE MIC, STATE, YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, AND THEY PRESENT THE REQUEST OR THE PETITION UH, EXCUSE ME, MR. WAFFORD.
CAN I HOLD YOU JUST A MINUTE, PLEASE? YES.
WE, YOU ARE ALREADY LISTED UNDER REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS AND I NEED TO, THERE ARE THREE GROUPS AND I NEED TO CALL THEM IN THAT ORDER.
IF YOU WOULD, EXCUSE ME, PLEASE.
IS THERE A MIS TEAM OR BONDS PRESENT? PARDON? OKAY.
MY NAME IS TAMMY BARNES AND I LIVE AT 24 26 TRAM ROAD HERE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURN.
I'M HERE AS CHAIRMAN OF PROJECT GRADUATION FOR CRAVEN COUNTY.
I'VE BEEN CHAIRMAN OF PROJECT GRADUATION FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
AND I CAME TO PROJECT GRADUATION THROUGH THE CIVIC, HANDS IN HAVELOCK, PROJECT GRADUATION, IN CASE SOME OF YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE DIDN'T, BUT IT'S AN ALL NIGHT DRUG FREE ALCOHOL FREE CELEBRATION THAT IS SPONSORED BY ALL THE BUSINESSES AND THE GOVERNMENTS OF CRAVEN COUNTY, WHERE THEY ALL THE GRADUATING SENIORS IN CRAVEN COUNTY, WHETHER THEY ARE IN PRIVATE OR PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS, IT'S HELD AT TWIN RIVERS MALL.
IT STARTS AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
IT ENDS AT SIX IN THE MORNING AND GRADUATION NIGHT THIS YEAR, IT WILL BE JUNE 11TH, FRIDAY NIGHT IN THE PAST.
WE HAVE HAD TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FROM ALL OF THE BUSINESSES IN CRAVEN COUNTY.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE HAD A WHOLE LOT MORE, UH, VOLUNTEERS.
AND WE DO THIS YEAR PEPSI-COLA WHICH IN THE PAST HAS ALWAYS PAID FOR OUR T-SHIRTS, WHICH ARE, UH, SOUVENIRS FOR THE SENIORS HAS TOLD US THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SPONSOR OUR T-SHIRTS THIS YEAR.
THIS IS LAST YEAR'S T-SHIRT THAT WAS DONE BY PEPSICO.
WE END UP WITH 75% OF THE GRADUATING CLASSES AT PROJECT GRADUATION.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS DONATED TO US EITHER THROUGH IN MONETARY AWARDS OR IN DOOR PRIZES, THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS, MCDONALD'S PIZZA HUT, KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN, TACO BELL.
THEY LIKE DONUTS AND HAVE A PALACE HOTEL, NEWBURN, GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB, THE SHERIDAN HOTEL, ALL DONE DONATE FOOD ALL NIGHT LONG FOR THESE SENIORS.
IT DOES NOT COST ANYTHING FOR THE SENIORS.
HOWEVER, IF THEY DO BRING A DATE
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AND THEY ARE NOT A NON-GRADUATES A SENIOR, THEN THEY DO HAVE TO PAY $5 TO COVER THE COST.WE HAVE A DJ, WE HAVE CONTESTS AT WHICH THEY CAN WIN PRIZES.
THE NEW-BORN JC COME AND SPONSOR A CASINO NIGHT, A MOCK CASINO NIGHT, WHERE THEY CAN WIN PRIZES.
WE HAVE MOVIES ALL NIGHT LONG.
WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS LET THEM HAVE A GOOD TIME, ENJOY THEIR GRADUATION NIGHT, AND NOBODY GETS HURT.
SINCE PROJECT GRADUATION STARTED IN CRAVEN COUNTY.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE REPORTED INCIDENT OF EITHER A TICKET OR AN ACCIDENT DUE TO A DRUNK DRIVING SENIOR OR A DRUG SENIOR.
AND WE THINK THIS WAS PRETTY REMARKABLE THIS YEAR.
HOWEVER, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE HAVING A ROUGH GO OF THAT.
A LOT OF IT IS TO BLAME ON THE ECONOMY.
A LOT OF IT IS THAT SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES FEEL THAT THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING THE BILL FOR MANY YEARS AND IT'S TIME FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO HELP US IN THIS PROJECT.
THE T-SHIRTS WILL COST $4,000 IN PEPSI.
COLA IS ABLE TO GET THEM FOR US AT A REDUCED RATE PRINTED, WHICH IS RUNS ABOUT ONE AND A HALF DOLLARS A T-SHIRT LAST NIGHT, THE CITY OF HAVELOCK VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO DONATE $2,000 TOWARD THESE T-SHIRTS.
AND WHAT I'M ASKING THE CITY OF NEWBURGH TO DO TONIGHT IS TO GIVE US THE OTHER $2,000 THAT WE NEED.
AND LET US HAND EACH OF THESE GRADUATING SENIORS, A MEMORY FOR THEIR GRADUATION NIGHT.
OKAY, MRS. MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS, ALMA MCDOWELL, UH, MS. BARS, DESPITE WHATEVER GENIUS PEST PROBLEM IS THAT WHAT IT WAS, BUT I WON'T MOVE THAT.
WE SPENT $2,000 BOUGHT A T-SHIRT.
WE'LL KEEP THESE KIDS OFF THE STREET GETTING DRUNK.
I KNOW THE NEWSPAPER WAS THERE.
OH, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT YET.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION MOTION HAS BEEN MADE IN SECONDARY.
WE HAVE ALL OF THEM AND RAINER AND ALDERMAN BALLENGER ON THE MONITOR AND WE'LL DO THIS UNDER UNREADINESS OR DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANT THEM UNDER DISCUSSION OF EMOTION.
I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD GONE TO THE TOWN BOYS OF TRENT WAS RIVER BEING A BRIDGE BECAUSE THOSE THREE MINUTES OF POWDERS HAVE STUDENTS THAT GO TO NEWBURN HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WEST 50% AND YOU RUN A 50%, HAVE A LOT OUT OF IT.
I DID GO TO THE QUARTERLY MEETING OF THE MAYOR LAST WEEK AGO, MONDAY NIGHT AND ONLY THREE MAYORS SHOWED UP MAYOR BEAVER AND THE TRENTWOOD AREA AND THE RIVER BEND AREA.
AND AT THAT POINT THEY TOLD ME THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY JUST DID NOT DO ANYTHING AT THAT TIME.
AND I KNOW IT'S A VERY, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO PURCHASE THESE T-SHIRTS HOWEVER, CITY OF NEWBURN AND THE CITY OF HAVELOCK ARE THE LARGEST AREAS.
AND IN THE FUTURE, WE WOULD LIKE MAYOR MORGAN EVEN SUGGESTED THAT WE SHOULD COME FORWARD WITH A LINE ITEM, BUDGET REQUEST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT EACH YEAR TO GET THE FUNDS NECESSARY.
UM, THAT'S THE ONLY ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU.
I DID GO TO THE QUARTERLY MEETING AS WAS SUGGESTED AND, UH, WELL, THEY JUST REALLY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T SEEM INTERESTED IN IT.
IT WAS JUST THAT THEY WERE VERY SMALL ENTITIES AND THEY FELT THAT NEW-BORN AND HEADLOCK WERE BETTER ABLE TO FOOT THE BILL FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.
MS. VAUGHNS, AFTER READING THE PAPER THIS AFTERNOON, I WANT TO WATCH GOING TO BE ON FRONT, ON THE FRONT OF THOSE SHIRTS.
THERE WILL BE, AND WE HAVEN'T, UNFORTUNATELY HAVE NOT ASSIGNED LAST YEAR.
AND IT SAID, UM, I HAD HAD A LITTLE PEPSI SIGN AND IT HAD HAVE MY HIGH SCHOOL NEWBURN HIGH SCHOOL WITH CRAVEN HIGH SCHOOL.
WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING SOMETHING, UM, CRAVEN COUNTY, GOVERNMENT CARE OF THE TOWN PADLOCK, AND THE CITY OF HAMBURG, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH CARES SOMETHING.
SO THAT YOU DO GET THE RECOMMENDATION SO DESERVE ON THE BACK.
THIS WAS A PEPSI DESIGN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED.
AND SO THERE IS THE BIG PEPSI LOGO ON THE BOTTOM.
WE'RE CURRENTLY TALKING TO A COUPLE OF THE ARTS STUDENTS AT THE SCHOOLS TO SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH A DESIGN.
WELL, THE ONLY REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION, IT WAS IMPLIED AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT HAVE LOCKS NAME ASSOCIATED WITH NUBIAN.
I DIDN'T GET THAT IMPRESSION, SIR.
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WHAT THEY HAD SAID WAS THEY WOULD JUST ASSUME GIVE IT $4,000 THEMSELVES, BUT THEN THEY GET, WELL, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE, UM, I READ A PAPER EARLY.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I MISSED ANYTHING.
I, I DIDN'T EVEN, I HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN THE PAPER.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'M A RESIDENT OF NEWBURN.
WE CHOSE TO LIVE IN NEW ROOM WHEN WE CAME HERE SEVEN YEARS AGO, I DO WORK IN HAVELOCK.
SO I'VE GOT TIES WITH BOTH COMMUNITIES.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY SPENT IN YOUTH ACTIVITIES AND PROJECTS FOR CHILDREN IN EITHER CITY.
SO IF YOU COME BEFORE US AND YOU ASK US FOR $2,000 TO US T-SHIRTS OR ANY PROJECTS THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN DEVELOPMENT OF YOUNG PEOPLE SOUNDS OKAY TO ME, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD LAST NIGHT, BUT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED.
I DON'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH NOT SUPPORTING ACTIVITIES OR PROJECTS THAT WILL DETER CHILDREN FROM THE ENVIRONMENT OF DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.
I KNOW FOR A FACT, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH OF THAT KIND OF THING GOING, SO I APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS AND I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION.
SO WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. LYNCH, UH, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA, UH, MR. HERBERT DAWSON, MR. BEN WATSON, AND MR. JOHN IS SAMSON.
AND YOU MAY COME IN ANY ORDER THAT YOU'D WISH.
THANK YOU, MR. WIFE WILL BE GIVEN AWAY.
I LIVE AT 903 SHIPYARD POINT IN FAIRFIELD HARBOR.
I AM A TAXPAYER OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY BACKYARD IS ADJACENT TO A MAS.
I'M ON THE BOARDS OF MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
ONE SPECIFIC BOARD IS THE COASTAL WOMEN'S SHELTER, WHICH I'M VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE CLIENT SERVED BY THE COASTAL WOMEN'S SHELTER.
LAST YEAR, 75% CAME FROM THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
THE COASTAL WOMEN'S SHELTER REQUESTED ONLY $3,000 FROM THE CITY.
THIS REPRESENTS 2% OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET.
I STARTED TO WONDER WHY THE CITY DID NOT HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE IN ITS CORPORATE IS FOR WORTHWHILE COURSES.
I BEGAN TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT HOW THE CITY OF NEW BERN WAS SPENDING HIS TAX DOLLARS.
AND WHAT I FOUND SHOCKING IN MAY OF 1992 FOR HERBERT DAWSON.
AND I WENT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND REQUESTED INFORMATION ON TWO OF THE CITY'S CAPITAL LAKES.
THE FEES PAID BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE AMOUNT SPENT BY THE CITY OF NEW BERN, ONE INSURANCE I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY.
ONE OF THOSE EXPENDITURES FEES PAID TO THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, 19 89, 19 90, THE CITY OF NEW BERN PAID THE CITY ATTORNEY $124,896 AND 3 CENTS.
DURING THE SAME FISCAL YEAR, THE CITY OF GREENVILLE PAID THEIR ATTORNEY ABOUT 80 THOUGHTS SINCE THEN THE ATTORNEY'S FEES HAVE ESCALATE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, 19 91, 19 99, 19 91.
THE CITY OF NEW BERN PAID THE CITY ATTORNEY, APPROXIMATELY $150,000.
THE EXACT FIGURE IS $146,994 AND 15 CENTS JUMPED ON MY WHEEL TO OPEN A BOTTLE, A PART-TIME JOB.
I DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL FIGURES, UH, THAT FEES THAT WERE PAID THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR IN 19 91 92.
I ONLY HAVE THE AMOUNT PAID FOR THE FIRST 11 MONTHS.
THAT'S ALL WE COULD GET FROM MR. HARTLAND AT THAT ONLY HE HAD AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME FOR THE FIRST 11 MONTHS, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH PAID THE CITY ATTORNEY $139, $139,109 AND 28 SENTENCE.
NOW, IF WE DIVIDE THAT BY 12 AND THEY HAD THE RESULTS, THIS AMOUNT, I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT IN THE FISCAL YEAR, 19 91 92, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH PAID THE CITY ATTORNEY OR POSSIBLY $160,000 GENTLEMEN, IN SOME QUARTERS, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A WHITE COLLAR CRIME.
I'M NOT CALLING HIM DESCRIBED AS A MATTER OF FACT, TRY TO UNDERSTAND, BUT I BELIEVE THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GRAFT AND CITY GOVERNMENT IS GOOD.
AS LONG AS IT'S SHAPED, AS LONG AS IT'S SPREAD AROUND.
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WHAT I AM OPPOSED TO IS HAVING AN OVERLOAD, THE GRAPH BEING CENTERED ON ONE PERSON OR ONE FIRM, WE SHOULD SPREAD THE GOODNESS AROUND THE TIME WHEN WE MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER IN MAY OF 1992, MR. DAWSON, I WAS SO SHOCKED AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT ON THIS, SPENT ON THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT WE WENT BACK TO MR. HARTMAN AND REQUESTED THE BILLS SUBMITTED BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY FOR 1992.IT MAKES SOME INTERESTING READING.
I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING DISINTERESTING SINCE I READ ABOUT THE GOLD RUSH IN CALIFORNIA, I'M WITH OPINION THAT MOST OF THE ALDERMAN HAVE NEVER SEEN THE REQUEST FOR FUNDS.
AND BY THE WAY, WHEN HE CHARGED US FOR THIS, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS QUITE BAD, BUT WE PAY YOU FOR IT.
UM, ALSO LARGE PORTIONS OF IT WAS QUITE A DOUBT, SO IT MADE IT SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO READ, BUT WE READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING I KEPT, UH, I I'M, I'M STILL UNDER THE OPINION THAT THE OLD HALDEMAN HAD NEVER SEEN THE BILLS OF THESE ARE THE REQUESTS FOR BILLS SUBMITTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY TO THE CITY.
I'M SURE THEY'D NEVER READ THIS STACK.
THIS WAS JUST THE 1992, BECAUSE I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT ANY RATIONAL PERSON WOULD NOT BE A POLL BY THAT CONSIDER THE FALL FOR 40 HOURS A WEEK.
THE CITY PAYS THE CITY ATTORNEY 4,200 BOTTLES IN ADDITION TO HIS OFFICE EXPENSES IN MARCH OF 1990 AND TO NOT HAVE IT HERE, IN MARCH OF 1992, THE CITY OF NEW BERN PAID THE CITY ATTORNEY $5,586 FOR 53 HOURS WORK, PLUS $463 FOR OFFICE EXPENSES AND THEN PAID AN ADDITIONAL $867 TO MEMBERS OF THE STAFF.
DO YOU REALIZE THAT IT COSTS THIS SETTING ALMOST $1,500 TO MOVE IN AN ABANDONED CAR GENTLEMEN, AGAIN AGAIN, IN MARCH OF 92, THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND THIS STATE IS MARCH, UH, MARCH THE THIRD, MARCH THE 11TH.
AND I THINK IN MARCH THE 11TH OF THAT SAME MONTH IN 1992, THE CITY OF NEW BERN PAID THE CITY ATTORNEY $5,292, PAY THE STAFF $1,981 AND THEN PAY $390 AND OFFICE EXPENSES.
GENTLEMEN, THE RATE, THE CITY IS PAYING THE CITY ATTORNEY GOING RATE PER HOUR AMOUNTS TO 250,000 A YEAR.
AND HE DOESN'T EVEN PLAY BASEBALL, ONLY BASEBALL PLAYERS AND BASKETBALL PLAYERS GOT THAT KIND OF SALARY.
I COULD GO ON WITH THE REQUESTS FOR FUNDS PAID TO THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE I HAVE THE WHOLE STACK HERE, EXCUSE ME.
BUT I THINK, YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION WHAT IT WAS FOR.
I HAVE THE PAPERS HERE FOR WHAT IT WAS FOR, BUT IT WOULD TAKE TOO MUCH TIME TO READ THROUGH IT.
THESE PAPERS ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU FOR MR. HARTMAN.
AND I'M SURE THAT YOU ALL, YOU HAVE, HE WILL NOT QUITE OUT OF THE SECTIONS AS HE DID FOR ME, BUT YOU CAN READ THROUGH THESE AND THE, THEY MAKE IT, THEY DISPARATE IS COLOR, REGULAR CINEMATICS.
IT'S THE TOP, BUT YOU CAN GO THROUGH THESE.
I WILL, I WILL LEAVE THESE FOR YOU.
I HAVE NO FUNDS TO THE CITY, TO THE CITY, BUT I THINK THAT YOU GET THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ALL OF THE ULTIMATE OF PAIN, THESE RECORDS AND READ THEY ARE REALLY AN EYE-OPENER.
NOW I HAVE A SUGGESTION REGARDING THAT REGARDING THIS MAP, I SUGGEST THAT THE BOARD INVESTIGATE THE POSSIBILITY OF HIRING AN IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY.
AN IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY COULD BE HIRED FOR 80,000 PER YEAR.
A LEGAL ASSISTANT FOR HIM COULD BE HIRED AT 25,000 PER YEAR.
OFFICE EQUIPMENT WOULD COST ABOUT 20,000.
THE FIRST YEAR SAVINGS WOULD BE 30,000 AND EAT SUCCEED IN YOU.
THE TOWN OF NEW BERN WOULD SAVE APPROXIMATELY $50,000.
I'M OF THE OPINION THAT THE $80,000 RANGE ONE IN-HOUSE ATTORNEY IS A REALISTIC ONE.
NOW I BASE THIS ON THE FACT THAT MY DAUGHTER, WHO IS A MEDICAL DOCTOR, WAS JUST INTERVIEWED FOR A JOB IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA AT 8,000 PER YEAR.
AND SHE'S A GOOD DOCTOR AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT WE CAN GET A GOOD LAWYER FOR THAT PRICE.
ALSO, THE ONLY OTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT I SEE IS TO USE MORE THAN ONE OF THE CITY'S LAW FIRMS FOR THE CITY'S LEGAL BUSINESS AND SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND THIS CITY HAS MANY GOOD LAW FIRMS, BUT DOING CHESTNUT, JOHN HARMON, CALVIN KING, JUST TO NAME A FEW TO PLACE THAT MUCH MONEY IN THE
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HANDS OF ONE FIRM, IT'S ALMOST OBSCENE AT THE CITY OF NEWBURGH FOLLOWS MY SUGGESTION.PERHAPS IT WILL HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT THAT SAID A DESSERT.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, AND ALL THAT.
MR. WATFORD, LET ME, UH, SAY THAT THE BOARD DOES RECEIVE THE ATTORNEYS, UH, REPORT MONTHLY.
AND CERTAINLY THE INPUT THAT YOU GIVE, WE WILL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
WE'RE IN PREPARATION OF PREPARING OUR BUDGET TO THE CITY MANAGER.
SO WE DO APPRECIATE THAT INPUT.
I JUST FEEL THAT SOMETHING BASICALLY SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT THIS.
WE WENT TO MR. HARTMAN A YEAR AGO.
WE HAD TOLD HIM AT THAT TIME THAT WE HAD NO INTENTIONS OF GOING TO THE NEWSPAPERS WITH THIS, BECAUSE WE FELT THAT THE NEWSPAPERS WOULD HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH IT.
WE WAITED ALMOST A YEAR AND NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WAS DONE.
WE FELT THAT IF WE DON'T ACT, THIS SITUATION WOULD GO ON FOR ANY DETERRENT AND SOMETHING DEFINITELY SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PAY AN EXORBITANT SELVES, BUT I AM OPPOSED TO HAVING A CHEF PAY PAID TO A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME OVER ALMOST EON.
THE LEAST WE CAN DO IS SPREAD THE WEALTH OF THE CITY AROUND.
THANK YOU, MR. DAWSON, OR YOU LET MR. SAMSON UM, MY NAME IS HERBERT DAWSON ON 8 10, 17, KAREN DRY.
AND MY MAIN CONCERN RIGHT NOW, ALONG WITH WHAT MUST HAVE BEEN WALKING TO JUST EXPRESS THAT WE GIVE A LOT OF THOUGHT AND A LOT OF TIME IN DISCUSSION, WE ALSO DISCUSS THE PRICE OF INSURANCE, UH, AND CHERYL FOR 19 92, 1 OF APPROXIMATELY $40,000.
THIS WAS NOT PASSED AROUND IS TO SEE IF IT COULD BE IN A NEGOTIATED AND GOT CHEAP.
WE FEEL IF IT HAD BEEN A NEGOTIATED AND CHECKED WITH OTHER INSURANCE COMPANIES, THE PRICE MIGHT HAVE STAYED AS IT WAS.
IF IT DID, WE WOULD HAVE SAVED 40,000 NOW.
AND AT THAT RATE GOING UP THAT MUCH.
AND IF IT CONTINUES TO GO UP EACH YEAR, WE'LL BE PRICED OUT OF INSURANCE IN A FEW YEARS.
AND WHEN IT WENT UP, DID THAT AMOUNT, THE CITY HAD NOT BEEN SUED FOR ANYTHING.
AND WE HAD FIGURES AND WE GOT THEM FROM THE CITY MANAGER.
HE DIDN'T HESITATE TO SERVE US, UH, OBLIGED AS TO WHAT WE ASKED HIM FOR.
HE WAS VERY NICE AND VERY COURTEOUS, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AND AFTER WE OBTAINED THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEEDED, WE WAITED AND WAITED AND WAITED AND FIGURED THAT MAYBE SOME OTHER ORGANIZATION OR SOME OTHER PEOPLE CONCERNED WOULD BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
BUT I GUESS IF YOU LET THINGS GO SO LONG AND NOBODY NEVER COMPLAINED AFTER AWHILE, I DO DECIDE, WELL, IT'S ALL RIGHT.
AND WHEN SOMEBODY DO SAY SOMETHING AND WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM, BUT ANYWAY, WE ARE BRINGING IT TO YOU.
AND WE HOPE THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY IN THEIR ROOM AND THEN CLEVELAND, AND THEN PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED, WE'LL GIVE THEM SOME CLOUT.
AND THE MAYOR AND CITY, OFTENTIMES WE'LL COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION.
AND I ALSO THINK WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN, SINCE THE MONEY IS PAID BY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMIT, THEY OUGHT TO KNOW ABOUT IT.
GIVE US IF YOU TAKE MY MONEY AND SPEND IT FINE, BUT DON'T TAKE IT IN SPENDING.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SPEND IT FOR.
YOU JUST SPEND BECAUSE YOU HAVE BAD AND HAVE THAT THOUGHT IT WAS SPAM.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHY THE MONEY WAS SPENT.
MR. DAWSON, BEFORE YOU LEAVE, THE BOARD HAS HAD A WORKSHOP.
AND I I'M THINKING IT WAS IN FEBRUARY.
EARLY JANUARY, WHERE WE DID HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE INDEPENDENT AGENCIES AGENT
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THAT REPRESENTS A NUMBER OF INSURANCE COMPANIES.SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT, UH, FINANCIAL OUTLAY REALIZING THAT INSURANCE JUST AUTOMATICALLY SEEMS TO GO UP EVERY YEAR.
SO THE BOARD HAS BEEN AWARE OF THAT AND HAS HAD A WORKSHOP ON THAT, BUT HAS NOT AT THIS TIME COME TO ANY DECISION ON HOW TO PROCEED.
I'M JUST LIKE, I LIKE TO ADD ONE OTHER THING ABOUT THE MAYORS SAID A LITTLE OVER A YEAR, EVEN TO THAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS DIRECTED TO START STUDY AND THE INSURANCE PURCHASING FEEL FORCED TO LOOK AT AT A PARTICULAR TIME WHEN YOUR INSURANCE RE WAS RENEWABLE.
BUT DURING THIS BUDGET SESSION, THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S GOING TO BE ON.
THE TOPIC IS HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO GO IN THERE FOR THE INSURANCE.
AND BEFORE IT GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A FULL REPORT ON, ON THE FIELD FOR SOME NEUTRAL PEOPLE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR WHAT DOLLAR.
SO WE, WE ARE AWARE OF THAT VERY MUCH.
UH, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOMETHING BEING DONE ABOUT.
THANK YOU, MR. JOHNNY SAMSUNG, TRYING TO SOUND FROM 10 38 NORTH STREET, MAL DOING ALL THIS.
I COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN TONIGHT, REALIZING THAT WE NEED SOMETHING.
FATHER KIDS DURING THIS SUMMIT, I'M GLAD YOUR YOUNG LADY CAME BEFORE I DID.
AND WON'T SEEM TO BE IN A VERY GOOD MOOD TONIGHT, TRYING TO HELP OUR KIDS TO STAY OFF THE STREETS BY TOP, BY LISTENING TO THE OTHER ONES THAT HAD MADE THAT PRESENTATION LOOK LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY DURING OUR NEW BUDGET.
NOW THAT'S ONE REFERRAL TO SOMETHING CONCERNING.
I WILL A SWIMMING POOL FOR THE CITY OF NEWPORT FOR A LONG TIME TO SET UP NEW.
BRIAN HAVE NOT HAD A SWIMMING SCHOOL, A SMALL CITY COUNCIL.
AND I THINK THEY HAVE TO, I CAME BEFORE THE BOARD IN 75, RIGHT OUT TODAY, BEGINNING TO START ON THE BYPASS WHEN WE'RE DIGGING POTHOLES OVER THERE ACROSS, OVER, UH, JAMES SIT AND SEVERAL KIDS WERE DRIVING THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD TO SEE ABOUT A SWIMMING POOL AT THAT TIME.
SO I COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN TONIGHT.
AND I HAVE THE ARTICLE THAT SON JONAH HAD WRITTEN CONCERNING.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AURORA ALL OF THEM, MAC DOLL HAD SAID IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD ABOUT SWIMMING POOLS.
SO I'M GOING TO READ THIS ARTICLE AND THEN I WILL MAKE A FEW MORE COMMENTS TO POOLS OF SWEAT AND NEW BRA AND LONG HOT SUMMER HAVE GONE ON REMEDIED FOR TOO LONG PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS FOR THE TOWN, A LONG OVERDUE, CLEAN ONE NEW BURN.
ALL OF THEM, IT'S ALL A ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
EVERYONE THINKS WE NEED, BUT NOBODY EVER BRINGS IT UP.
SHE HAD ALL THE MADONNA BACK DOLL REQUESTED THE ISSUE TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARD BOARD, REGULAR MEETING TONIGHT MCDONALD'S SAID THE CITY MANAGER PROPOSED TO BUILD A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR HANDICAPPED ASSETS ELEVATOR FOR CITY HALL WAS THE LAST STRAW.
I THINK A POOL WOULD GET A LOT MORE ACTIVITY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAN THE HANDICAPPED TOWER.
HE SAID, BUT A CALL TO ONE NEWBORN RELATIVE THAT HAVING SAID THAT SWIMMING FOOD IS MORE THAN JUST THE AMOUNT OF COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE.
HE SAID, JOHNNY'S HOUSE, WE'RE DOING YOUR 10 38 NORTH STREET SPOKE BEFORE A GROUP OF CONCERNED CITIZENS FROM CRAIGIEBURN PATCO JONES COUNTY SIDE.
THE DROWNING DEATH SUFFERED BY YOUTHS IN THE 1970S, WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE U S 70 BYPASS.
HE LEFT LITTLE POTHOLES THAT KIDS WERE GOING SWIMMING IN SAMPSON SAID HIS SEVEN YEAR OLD AND 11 YEAR OLD WERE DROWNED IN 75 AND 76 WHEN THEY WENT FOR HIS SWIM AND IT RAIN FIELD SANDPIT DOING DOUG DURING THE BYPASS FOR STRUCTURE AND EMILY.
AND IT MAY 9TH, 1977, MEET OF THE NEWBORN RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION AND REGIONAL RECREATION CONSULTANT GAVE UP, MADE IT TO THE BOARD THAT WAS UP ON THE ROAD SOUTH AND SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO DO.
GET SWIMMING POOLS FOR THE PEOPLE NEW BROIN, EVEN AT THAT TIME.
BUT THE CITY'S RECREATION THAT PARKS DIRECTOR SAID THE BORDER, ALL OF THEM AND THE RELEVANT ISSUE, CONCEALED A KNOCK ON THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE UPKEEP AND WEIGHING THE DECISION TO APPLY TO THE POOL.
I'M ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF GOOD RECORD RECORD FACILITY FOR THE PEOPLE
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NEWBORNS.AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL SAID, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS INVOLVED IN BUILDING AND MAINTAINING THE SWIMMING POOLS.
IT IS A BIG UNDERTAKING AND A VERY EXPENSIVE ONE INFORMATION FROM THE ROLLA REPARATION AND POSSIBLE SUGGESTED 25 METER POOL WOULD COST ONE, A HALF MILLION TO BUILD.
AND THE 50 METER POOL, $2 MILLION INCREASE IN SHORT RATES ARE ANOTHER CONSIDERATION WHEN BUILDING THEIR POOL BALL TALK SAID SHE HASN'T MADE THE COST OF OPERATION OF ONE POOL AT AROUND $8,000.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD HAVE TO FLOW BONDS TO PAY FOR IT, BUT WE'D FIND THEIR WAY BACK.
DOLLARS SAID, WE FIND A WAY TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
AND I AGREE, BUT MATT DOLL SAID, SIT, THE SWIMMING POOL SHOULD NOT BE FREE TO RESIDENTS THROUGH THE POOL SHOULD BE SELF-SUFFICIENT.
HE SAID, I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULD JUST BE A ONE AND HAVE A FREE POOL SOUTH THAT DID NOT AGREE WITH THIS.
IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO SAVE PEOPLE AND THE MINORITIES OR LOW INCOME BRACKET WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
HE SAID, BUT SANDRA SAID IT WAS A TO SEE THE BOARD MOVING ON THE ISSUE.
I HOPE THEY ARE GOING TO PUSH IT AND JUST, AND NOT JUST LAY IT ASIDE.
HE SAID, SEE IF THIS WALK WE HAVE DONE, WE ASKED LATER THE SIDE AND I THINK THIS WAS ALL FIGURES THAT ARE ON NANCY HAD GIVEN TO THE BOARD.
AND I THINK WE COULD DO BETTER.
AND I BELIEVE THE STATE WOULD REALLY SUPPORT THIS AREA WHEN THEY LOOK AT THIS AREA AND SEE THE, AND REALLY NEED A SWIMMING POOL DURING THE SUMMER, THE KIDS HAVE NOWHERE TO GO BUT WRONG IN THE STREETS AND TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, CREATE A PROBLEM FOR YOUR SILL CITIZEN AND TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THE PARENTS, EVERY GUN THAT NEITHER THE SWIMMING POOL IN THE CITY.
AND I THINK WE CAN COME TOGETHER.
AND I THINK WE CAN GO TO THE SWIMMING POOL TO SHOW OUR YOUNG PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST CAST THEM ASIDE, BUT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEM TOO.
AND I ASKED THE BOARD IF THEY WOULD REALLY CONSIDER, GIVE IT TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY, A SWIMMING POOL.
AND I, I BELIEVE THE STATE WILL HELP.
THE CITY IN ATTAINMENT IS FROM A POOL.
I KNOW IN 1975, WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE STATE COME DOWN AND THEY HAD PROMISED THAT THEY WOULD, THEY HAD MONEY FOR SWIMMING POOLS AND THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD GIVE THE CITY ONE SWIMMING POOL, BUT THEY ONLY GIVE A ONE.
BUT AT THAT TIME IT WAS A LOT OF SEGREGATION GOING ON AND SIT AND DO.
AND THEY DIDN'T WANT ONCE WITH BEFORE POOL, THEY WANTED TO.
SO THEN THEY GET IN BECAUSE THE CITY WOULD NOT ASK FOR THE FUNDS, BUT I THINK WE ALL READ IT FOR ONE SWIMMING POOL AT THIS TIME.
SO I'M ASKING THE CITY TO PLEASE WORK HARD AND SEE THAT I WAS KID.
WE HAVE A SWIMMING POOLS, SOMEBODY, THEY COULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF REPARATIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. SAMSON, HALDEMAN LEE.
I LIKE TO, IT BRINGS A POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE SPECIAL FUNDS FOR ALMOST ANY KIND OF PROJECT.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD ASK OUR PLAN AND STAFF AND LOOKING INTO WHAT KINDS OF FUNDS ARE FAILED.
SO I RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT VARIOUS FABRIC PROGRAMS THAT AVAILABLE ON I BEGLEY REMEMBER, AND NOW WITH THE RELAXED KIND OF ATMOSPHERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME PROGRAMS BE ENTERTAINED FOR THE SUMMER FOR OUR YOUTH PROGRAMS. I RECEIVED SOME CORRESPONDENCE IN REGARDS TO THAT.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD ASK OUR PLANNING STAFF TO LOOK INTO WHAT KINDS OF FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR PROJECTS LIKE FOOD.
I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THEY DO MOTION'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.
UH, I REALLY DON'T THINK HE NEEDED.
COULD YOU JUST DIRECT THE STAFF, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SPECIAL FUNDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE WHEN I RECEIVE SOME INFORMATION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE FUNDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT FOR CHILDREN EFFORTS OF THE CITY.
AND THIS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS DETERRENT KIND OF THING FROM DRUGS.
NOW MY NAMES WILL BE AVAILABLE.
AND I LIKE FOR US TO LOOK IN THAT, TO THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME AVAILABLE FOR POOL.
I DIDN'T WANT TO IGNORE YOUR MOTION.
BUT THE THING IS, I THINK ALL YOU HAVE TO REALLY DO, YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT IS AN ISSUE AND A CONCERN, IT'S JUST CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER, THE DIRECT, WHOEVER SHOULD BE CONSENSUS MIGHT NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE MATCH MONDAY.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S JUST GET $8,000, BUT YOUR BUSINESS,
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UH, YES.I WANT TO SAY I LIKED JOHN AND IT WAS A FOLLOWUP STORY AND I THINK I LOST OUR BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED MORE.
MS. DONNA POPE PRESENT MS. DONALD POPE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY NAMES THAT ARE UNDER REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS, THAT THERE ARE OTHERS WHO WISH TO BE HEARD.
MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD GAMES ARE NOW.
I RESIDE AT 9 36, NEW SOUTH FRONT STREET.
WE, THE MEMBERS A COMMITTED TO PLAN AN HONORARIUM FOR, UH, HERE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH FOR WALL DELEGATE, A NEW-BORN NATIVE WHO HAD BEING INDUCTED INTO THE BASE OF BASKETBALL HALL OF FAME.
UH, HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT OUR REQUEST.
WE, THE COMMITTEE AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF NEW BERN WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NAME IN HONOR OF THE GREAT BASKETBALL STAR, THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WE'D LIKE OR NEW SOUTH FRONT STREET TO BE CHANGED TO WALK BELLA BOULEVARD.
WE'D LIKE, OR WEST NEWBURN RECREATION CENTER TO BE NAMED IN HONOR OF THIS GRAY STAR ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER THE FIRST, 1993.
SO I OBSERVED THAT DAY AT ALL BELMONT DAY IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, MR. HAD BEEN WRITES ONE AMONG THE 18 BASKETBALL STARS WHO HAS 20,000 POINTS IN HIS CAREER.
AND HIS HONOR ON FRIDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 1ST SPONSORED BY 10 CHAPEL AME ZION CHURCH, WHICH IS NOVEMBER.
WE THANK YOU IN ADVANCE, BUT YOUR CONSIDERATION OR REQUEST RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED FRANK EVANS, BRENT ON A GEORGE WD, BLUNT, JARROD BLAND, AND JAMES, OUR ANALYSIS.
YES, I THINK THERE'S HOW DO YOU HAVE A STREET RENAMED? HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT? THE POST OFFICE? WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NAME CELL FRONT STREET CAME FROM, BUT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THE OTHER DAY, I SAID, WELL, GEE, WHY DOES MIDDLE STREET? WHAT'S THE NET BUTTONS IS MIDDLE STREET.
AND I WAS TOLD BY HISTORIAN THAT AT ONE TIME, MIDDLE STREET WAS THE MIDDLE OF THE TOWN.
SO THEREFORE IT DOES HAVE SOME HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE NOW, UH, WHAT SOUTH FRONT STREET HAS.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW OTHER THAN SEPARATED FROM EAST FRONT, I GUESS.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW HE WAS HAVING AN ORDINANCE DRAFTED.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? WELL, I HAD TO DO IT.
PEOPLE WHO DO THAT, WE LIVE WITH THAT, UH, THIS BOARD CAN RENAME IN THE STREET AND NORMALLY IT DOES CONSULT WITH THE POST OFFICE COORDINATE CHANGE ADOPTING.
I WAS THINKING WHEN HE SAID THAT, UH, THEY WEREN'T BELLAMY COMES FROM NEW SOUTH FRONT STREET, RIGHT UP THAT WAY ON THE HILL.
IT'S ANNOUNCER THE DEVELOPMENT FAMILY COME FROM NEW SOUTH BROAD STREET.
THE DEVELOPMENT FAMILY COME FROM NEW SOUTH FRONT STREET.
I KNOW THEY CAME FROM UP THAT WAY.
SOMETHING, THEY CAME FROM JONES.
WELL, BELMONT BOULEVARD, THAT SOUNDS GREAT AS IDENTITY.
HE DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE, BUT HEARING WHAT YOU WERE THINKING, WHAT DO YOU DO? AND IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, YOU CAN ADOPT A RESOLUTION OR AN ORDINANCE TO DO IT.
WHY DON'T WE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ARE DROPPING ORDINANCE TO RENAMED NEW SOUTH FRONT STREET, WALT BELLAMY BOULEVARD, GOOD RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER IS AFTER THE INVESTIGATION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE TIME TO LOOK INTO IT AND CONSIDER IT.
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OH, LORRAINE IS ON THE MONITOR.ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOST, LET ME KNOW BEHIND POSES.
AND DO YOU TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION THE OTHER ITEMS THAT MR. NELSON ADDRESSED OR YOU WANT TO ACT ON THOSE WESTERN NEWBURN DECLARATION? I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO GIVE RECREATION COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY HAVE A RECREATION ADVISORY COMMISSION THING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT A REQUEST LIKE THAT.
ARE YOU STILL ON THAT BOARD? YES, I AM GOOD.
MR. NELSON, ALDERMAN LEE IS ON THE NEWBURN ADVISORY RECREATION BOARD AND ON THE RENAMING OF A WEST NEWBURN RECREATION CENTER, SHE'S GOING TO TAKE THAT TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR, AND CERTAINLY, UH, ON PROCLAIMING OCTOBER THE FIRST 1993, UH, THE MAYOR SEES NO PROBLEM IN DOING THAT BY A RESOLUTION TO, AS HE STILL AROUND THIS GENTLEMAN HAD HIS HAND UP TO SPEAK TO THAT MATTER.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE MIC AND IT'S ON THE SAME SUBJECT? OKAY.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT
HIS NAME'S SOUTHWEST PAIR PARTNER.
IF THEY DO THIS FOR MR. BELLAMY, I HOPE THEY WERE BETTER THAN KEEPING THE SIGN UP THERE.
THIS WAS DONE PROBABLY SIX YEARS AGO IN THE DEDICATION SAID, AND HE WAS GOOD, A LITTLE NERVOUS, UH, IN THE SIGN THAT IT'S NOT INSTALLED.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS VANDALISM, THE WALK WITH THE SIGN.
THAT'S NOT BEEN UP THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.
THIS IS WHY I SUGGESTED THAT A REQUEST LIKE THAT WOULD NEED TO GO BEFORE THE RECREATION COMMISSION.
IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO RENAME IT OFF HAS BEEN NAMED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DIRECTION ITSELF BEING RENAMED.
THE POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THE DEDICATION AND ALL WAS FINE, BUT THE NAMES SASS WEST PERRY PARK WAS UP THERE AND LETTERS WAS VANDALIZED.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN REPLENISHED.
AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE I THINK THE PARENTS GAVE THAT LAND WASN'T TO THE CITY RECREATION.
UH, OTHER REQUESTS IN PETITIONS COME FORWARD.
L C NEXT 1810TH STREET, NA ALL MONTH CITY OR PITCHERS REQUESTS, LEGAL SET OF SYSTEM REPRESENT THE CITY OF NEW BERLIN.
I THINK I GAVE EIGHT 11 TO YOU SOMETIME AGO OF ACTION.
YOUR CITY ATTORNEY TAKING AGAINST ME.
AND I SAID AT THAT TIME, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS BAD FOR A CITIZEN TO HAVE TO PAY AN ATTORNEY TO LIE.
I WONDER HOW MUCH DID THAT LETTER AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE JUDGE IS BETTER JUDGE, THAT I WAS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR TIME TO PAY A BILL.
I GUESS YOU READ THAT ANOTHER JUDGE, THE FEDERAL JUDGE.
I WONDER HOW MUCH DID THAT RESEARCH COSTS? BECAUSE I THINK HE GOT A LETTER FROM THE CLERK OF THE CITY THAT HE BURNED.
HE GOT A LETTER FROM THE CLINIC OR THE COUNTY COMMISSION, UH, UH, BUT THEN, UH, JUST, UH, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UH, WHO AUTHORIZED
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AND CERTIFIED CERTIFIED THAT I HAD ATTENDED THE MEETING THAT THE CITY OF NEWMAN AND THE COUNTY AND THAT, UH, I DID NOT NEED AN EXTENSION.I THINK YOU REFERRED TO THIS AS THE ATTORNEY THAT NOT TO HIM, NOT TO SAY ANY GUY INFORMATION TO HIS COURT LIKE THAT ANYMORE, BECAUSE HE TRIED TO THROW IT AGAINST THE CITY.
I ASKED WHAT WAS THE REASON OF THE ATTORNEY DOING THIS? HE NEVER DID GIVE ME ANY INFORMATION.
ALL THEY SAID, HE DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT.
I SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT DID HE MEAN BY YOU ALL GOT A COPY OF THE UPDATE FROM THE REPRIMAND, THE LAWYER FOR DOING THAT? YEAH.
I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW YOU MR. NIXON.
I KNOW THE ATTORNEY HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD AND IF, IF I'M WRONG AND INTERPRETED THIS, MR. WARD, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
THAT SANCTIONS THAT WE TAKE A DISMISSAL OF THE SANCTIONS.
MR. NIXON IS REHASHING SOMETHING THAT HE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION TO THE BOARD, WHICH I HAD ALREADY TOLD THE BOARD ABOUT LAST YEAR, YEAR, BEFORE LAST POINT WAS MADE MR. FRAZIER REQUESTED US DISTRICT COURT TO GIVE THEM AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION WITHIN PAY 800 AND SOME DOLLARS IN SANCTIONS THAT HE HAD IMPOSED FOR WHAT THEY HAD DONE IN THAT LAWSUIT.
AND ATTEMPTING TO REMOVE THE LAWSUIT.
YOU ASKED DISTRICT COURT, THE STATE FOR WHEN MR. FRAZIER, AN ATTORNEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE.
HE HAD POSTED THE SANCTION OF THE VOTE ON BOTH MR. NIXON AND MR. FRASIER.
THAT WAS AN EXTENSION GRANTED, THAT WAS ANOTHER EXTENSION REQUESTED IN WHICH MR. FRAZIER STATED THAT MR. NIXON AND I HAD BEEN INCAPACITATED, I KNEW OF MY OWN KNOWLEDGE THAT HE HAD ATTENDED A MEETING OR THIS BOARD IN THIS ROOM DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND I HAD SEEN IN THE PAPER THAT HE HAD ATTENDED A MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER DURING THAT SAME TIME HE WAS INCAPACITATED.
AND FOR THE INFORMATION OF THE COURT, I PROVIDED AS AN EXHIBIT TO MY RESPONSE, TO HIS MOTION FOR AN EXTENSION, THEIR MOTION FOR EXTENSION.
THE FACT THAT HE HAD BEEN IN THIS COURTROOM AT A MEETING OF THIS BOARD AND HAD BEEN IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING AND A MEETING OF THE COUNTY BOARD, UH, SOMEONE IN THE, ON THE JUDGES STAFF, OR THE JUDGE MISUNDERSTOOD THAT AND SUGGESTED THAT THE DEFENDANT NOT ATTACHING SUCH INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE.
I ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE JUDGE CALLED HIM AND ATTENTION TO THE REASON THAT I HAD ATTACHED IT.
THAT'S WHAT, WELL, THE CLARIFICATION IS BROUGHT UP SAID, I WONDER HOW MUCH DID THAT COST THE CITY OF NEW BUD FOR THE ATTORNEY TO GET TO AFFIDAVIT TO AFTER DAY ONE FOR THE CITY CLERK, FOR THE COUNTY CLERK, TO SEND IT TO THE JUDGE, TO TRY TO STOP FROM HAVING AN EXTENSION OF PAGE A AT ONE, HOW MUCH DID THAT COST? AND I NEVER GOT INTO ANY EXPLANATION FOR WHY HE DID THAT.
HE CALLED, HE SAID HE DIDN'T MEET IT THAT WAY, BUT HE DIDN'T NEVER SAY I ADMIT THAT'S CONNECTION.
YOU JUST HAD AN EXPLANATION OF WHY I DID, BUT YOU ADDED TO BRING ALL THAT TO ME, I'M ASKING A QUESTION.
I DIDN'T CRY, BUT I MEAN, YOUR POSITION IS KINDA ON CALL, I THINK, AS A TAXPAYER, I'M PAYING YOUR SALARY AND I DEMAND RESPECT BECAUSE YOU WERE WONDERING FOR ME, I THOUGHT
DO YOU HAVE, UH, OTHER REQUESTS? YES.
UH, THE TRYING TO FIND THE BENNETT TO REFER TO WHILE I WORK TO BRING IT TO ATTENTION SOMETIME AGO, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, MAYBE LONGER THAN THAT, THE CITY OF NEW BRITAIN GOT A GRANT TO USE IN BLIGHTED AREAS, SUCH AS DUCKS TO YOU AND THOSE AREAS.
THEY SAID IT TOOK THE MONEY, PAID OUT BY KELLY PARK.
WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND WE BOUGHT IT TO THE CITY ATTENTION.
THEY ADMITTED THEY HAD SUNDAY.
AND THEY SAY, WHEN THEY SELL SOME OF THIS PROPERTY DOWN HERE, THEY WOULD CONVERT
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THAT MONEY BACK OVER TO BLOODY THEIR SOUND.ONE DAY I LEARNED THAT THE SHERATON HAD PAID SOMETHING LIKE ABOUT $350,000 FOR THE LAND, GOODNESS.
BUT ANYWAY, I LEFT 150 OR $200,000 SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA THAT THEY CITY USED TO HAVE THE BLACK MONEY OVER HERE AT THE CHURCH SITE.
AND I WONDER, COULD THAT MONEY BE CONVERTED BACK OVER THERE? AND DID SOMEONE TRY TO CLEAN UP SOME THAT METHODS OVER THERE, SINCE IT WAS DESIGNATED FOR THAT AREA? THE CITY MANAGER WAS LETTING ME KNOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON A PLAN WITH CERTAIN DEPARTMENT HEADS, AS IT RELATES TO THAT VERY, UH, CONCEPT THAT SOME OF THAT MONEY DID THAT, DID THAT HAPPEN? DID THAT HAPPEN? OH, I WAS KNOWING THE BOARD FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.
THE MANAGEMENT REFLECT THAT GO SEE MINUTES, I THINK, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WAS A SMALL BEEN FOR MAD AT THAT TIME, BUT ONE OF THEM WAS LIKE, THEY TOOK THE MONEY.
THE MONEY WAS DESIGNATED FOR THE DRAKE AND THEY TOOK THAT MONEY.
WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT IN THE APPEAL
AND THE BOARD ADMITTED THEY DID AND SAID WAS THAT IN THE MINUTE, THEN THE MINUTE THEY THROW THAT THEY SOLD SOMETHING THAT MAN DOWN THERE THEY WAS,
AS I SAID, CITY MANAGER SAID, HE'LL BE PRESENTING US A PLAN AS TO HOW THAT MONEY IS TO BE SPENT IN SOME OF IT WILL BE IN THAT AREA.
I SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WRITTEN INFORMATION FROM THE ATTORNEY, WHY HE TOOK THAT ACTION AGAINST YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN AFFIDAVIT FROM THE CLERK OF THIS COUNTY CLERK, SUPER DROPDOWN AND AUTHORIZED ENTRY OF A JUDGMENT BY WHICH IT WOULDN'T BE DISPOSED OF AND PUTTING ALL PENDING MOTIONS THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE MONEY.
NOW, MR. NIXON DOES NOT OWE ANY MONEY MR. MR. NIXON AND MR. FRAZIER PAID THAT $822 AS ORDERED BY JUDGE FOX USP FOR A JUDGE, A BOARD APPROVED A SPECIFIC CONSENT JUDGMENT FIVE WEEKS.
WELL, THIS IS STILL PENDING LITIGATION.
THEN WE NO LONGER DISCUSS THIS.
LET ME ADD ONE THING, MR. MCDOWELL, AFTER FAD THE CONSENT CONSENT JUDGMENT, WHICH THIS BOARD APPROVED, I SENT IT TO MR. FRAZIER, MR. FRAZIER HAS RETURNED IT TO ME TODAY WITH HIS SIGNATURE ON IT AND ADVISED THAT MR. NIXON REFUSED TO SIGN.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING THAT PHONE.
THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK, UH, ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN, I DON'T THINK WE BE DISCUSSING THE NATURE OF THE CASE.
DISCUSSING ACADEMIC, YOUR CITY ATTORNEY.
IS THERE SOME, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO TALK WITH THE ATTORNEY WITH PERSONALLY? I MEAN, ALL THIS ACTION WAS TAKEN FROM THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, NOT DESTRUCTION OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THE BOARD OF ALMA DID NOT INSTRUCT THE ATTORNEY TO DO WHATEVER YOU SAID HE DID.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT Y'ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE, BUT HE DO.
WHAT, WHAT IS IT YOU WANT TO KNOW? I WANT TO APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T WANT HIM TO, HE SAID THAT THE WAY HE SAID, BUT HE, HE SAID THAT SAYING THAT I DID NOT NEED A
DID THE JUDGE WANT YOU TO EXTENSION? DID HE GIVE YOU THE EXTENSION? THE JUDGE SAID YOU'RE CHARLIE.
ANOTHER NOT TO SEND ANY MORE INFORMATION TO HIS COURT, BUT THAT TIGHT TRY TO INFLUENCE HIS DECISION.
I GAVE YOU GET TO THE PLAY, RUN THE GATE ONE, AND MAYBE Y'ALL, DIDN'T MAKE A COPY OF IT.
AND THEN I ASKED, YOU KNOW, REASONS WHY I DIDN'T.
MY, MY THING WAS I DID NOT WANT TO PAY NOBODY TO WRITE UNTIL A LOUD WITH ME.
NOBODY TOLD HER WHILE IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A LOT BECAUSE I WAS INCARCERATED.
I SET THE RECORD AT THE HOSPITAL AND THIS THAT'S IT OUT THE HOSPITAL BILL.
THAT'S THE NEXT DAY I WAS AT THE MEETING.
THE MEETING IS IN THE MINUTES.
AND IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE MINUTES OF THAT MEETING, YOU WILL ALSO SEE THAT YOU WERE HERE
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AND YOU WERE AT THE COUNTY MAVENS.THE REASON WHY, THE REASON WHY I ASKED WHAT STAGE IT WAS THAT I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL AND THE TRIAL REFERRED, LIKE I WAS NOT, I DIDN'T NEED THAT.
I WAS IRA, BE HELL OR SOMETHING, BUT YOU WERE, I BET THOSE TABLA AND YOU'VE SPOKEN TO ME, BUT WHY WOULD THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SPECIFIC TO DO THAT? THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
I DON'T NEED TO TAKE, TO GET TO AFTER DAVID FROM THIS CLAY AND THE COUNTY CLERK.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER REQUESTS OR PETITIONS, MR. NIXON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON DESTINY.
VERY NICE TONIGHT THEN I THINK I QUIT WHILE I'M AHEAD.
ARE THERE OTHER REQUESTS AND PETITIONS FOR CITIZENS? JUST COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, YOUR CONCERN.
MY NAME IS AL REVEREND JOHN SAMSON, 3,502 WINDMILL COURT APARTMENT OR NEW BERNARD KRONE.
UH, I'VE HAD SOME CITIZENS COME TO ME WITH PROBLEM SESSIONS, UH, THEIR ELECTRICITY BILL GOING TOO HARD.
AND THESE, MOST OF THESE YOUNG LADIES ON WELFARE DIDN'T HAVE GOOD AND LOW INCOME.
AND YOU KNOW, THEIR CHECKS GOING TO ABOUT 2 72 ON AVERAGE AND A LIGHT BILL IS SOMETHING LIKE 2 95.
AND I JUST LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT? BECAUSE I CAN.
WE EXPECT FOR THEM TO PAY ALL THE MONEY THEY HAVE TOWARDS ELECTRICITY.
THEY HAVE KIDS, THEY HAVE OTHER NECESSITIES AND THERE'S YOUNG LADIES AND PRINT MATERIALS AND TRENT COURT AND YOUNG MAN THAT'S ON A LOW INCOME.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY KNOWING THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY UNFAIR ON A SITUATION THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING INTO.
I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO EDUCATE ME ON WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT AND WHY IS THAT SO UNJUST? AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO LIVE.
AND I THINK THE REASON WHY SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT SITUATION, BECAUSE IF THEY JUST YOUNG LADIES CAN'T GET THEIR LIGHT BILL PAID, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND THAT BOOK THAT WOULD CAUSE ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT WOMEN WOULD HAVE THE PRODUCT GO THROUGH THE STREETS AND THEN THEIR DISEASES WILL BE SPREAD AROUND MORE, YOU KNOW? AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK INTO ON THEM AND BALANCE.
YOU KNOW, THE BILLS YOU MENTIONED IS AWFUL TIRED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOT ON, ON, ON IT, BUT THAT'S JUST AN AWFUL BILL FOR THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, BUT THERE IS PROVISIONS TO HELP THESE PEOPLE, ALL I'D HAVE TO DO IS CONTACT THE CITY MANAGER AND, UH, AND I'M SURE THAT HE WOULD BE GLAD TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS OR RECHECK THE NEED OR SOMETHING COULD BE WRONG, OR THEY DID.
UH, I KNOW I USE A LOT OF ELECTRICITY.
MY BILL HADN'T BEEN THAT HIGH FOR, FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS.
AND WE TALKING TO PEOPLE ON LOW INCOME.
YEAH, I, WELL, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE LOW INCOME.
WHEN IT, WHEN THE NETFLIX WOULD BE AT THE SIDE, THEN THE INCOME AND, UH, SOMETIMES GO TO PUBLIC SYSTEM.
BUT HOW MANY TIMES PUT THE SYSTEM TO HELP YOU? I MEAN, IT IS BUILT.
IT'S BEEN REPEATEDLY ON SOME PEOPLE, SOME OF THE YOUNG LADIES BILLS FOUR TIMES ALREADY THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR MANY OF OUR CITIZENS, THE COST OF THE ELECTRICITY BEING SO HIGH.
AND IT'S ESPECIALLY, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT POP WHO A HARDSHIP FOR THOSE YOUNG LADIES, IT'S ESPECIALLY HARD FOR MANY ELDERLY PEOPLE TO PAY LIGHT BILLS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HIGH.
SO WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT THEY COULD CUT BACK ON THE USAGE IN SOME WAY, OR CONTACT US.
THE CITY MANAGER, HAVE THIS CHECK THE METER, OR TO WORK OUT A PAYMENT SYSTEM.
THERE ARE VARIOUS WAYS THAT IT CAN BE, BUT THEY'LL ALWAYS BE TRAPPING FIBERS.
THEY GOT ONE YOUNG LADY THAT OLD $1,200 A MONTH ON LOW INCOME.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT A PAYMENT PLAN, BUT YOU ALWAYS CONSTANTLY PAYING THE COST OF PAINT AND YOU NEVER COULD GET OUT OF BOND AND STEP UP.
AND WE NEED TO TRY TO THREE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY DRUG DEALING AND OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAPPEN TO DO JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
I THINK THE CITY SHOULD CAREFULLY LOOK INTO IT AND COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE CAN HELP OUR CITIZENS, NOT TELLING YOU DOING THIS AND YOU LOOK INTO IT.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'D BE FEASIBLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE MORE MONEY TO SCRIBBLE THEMSELVES, SEEM TO MAKE THEM HAPPIER INSTEAD OF TROUBLE, AND IT WILL CONTROL CRIME.
AND LIKE I SAY, DISEASES, THANK YOU, MR. SAMSON,
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OTHER REQUESTS AND PETITIONS CITIZENS.MY NAME IS CAROL WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 2,906 MOORE AVENUE.
AND MY QUESTION IS TO THE ALDERMAN IS FIVE YEARS AGO, MY AUNT, UM, SHE WAS, UM, LOW INCOME ELDERLY PERSON AND SHE APPLIED FOR A GRANT THROUGH THE CITY.
I HAVE CONTACTED THE DEPARTMENT THAT WAS IN CHARGE OF THIS GRANT TO RENOVATE HER HOUSE.
HOWEVER, AS I BEGAN TO LOOK AT THE WEAR AND TEAR OF THE HOUSE, UH, THE CITY GRANTED HER $88,900 FOR THE REPAIR.
IT'S STILL IN THIS FALL AND NEED THE ROOF IS, UM, IT'S COMING UP.
THERE WAS NOTHING DONE TO THE HOUSE THAT I COULD SEE THAT WOULD, UM, JUSTIFY $8,900.
EACH TIME I WENT OVER TO TALK TO SOMEONE ABOUT THESE PROJECTS OR THESE OTHER HOUSES I'VE SPOKE TO PEOPLE ABOUT THE CONDITION THEY WERE IN.
THEY OFTEN TOLD ME, WELL, IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN DO, NAN.
AND MY QUESTION IS, AFTER THESE CONTRACTORS ARE BROUGHT IN TO DO THESE HOMES, IS THERE NOT, UM, ANOTHER, SOME TYPE OF INSPECTED IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE REPAIRS ARE DONE RIGHT? AND I'D DONE AN ORDER.
AND WHEN THEY MAKE A SPECIFICATION OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE DOES NOT ANYBODY GO OUT TO CHECK TO SEE IF THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS NEEDED.
MR. AVERY IS, CAN ADDRESS MAYBE SOME OF THEM.
WOULD YOU WANT THEM TO DRESS YOU PUBLICLY OR WOULD YOU WANT TO MEET WITH YOU? OKAY, HOW DID WE HAVE A TIER INSPECTION PROCESS? AND THE UNIT IS INSPECTED BY THE HOUSING OFFICER OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE HAVE A ONE YEAR WARRANTY PERIOD, PERIOD.
THEN WHEN YOU BRING THE CONTRACT BACK IN TO DO THAT WORK AFTER ONE YEAR WARRANTY PERIOD, THE CONTRACT OBLIGATION HAS BEEN SATISFIED AS FAR AS THE WARRANTY ON THE FLOOR AND IT'S UP TO DO THE NECESSARY MAINTENANCE, BUT WE DO HAVE TO HEAR THE SPECIAL PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE ITEMS ARE DONE DONE.
AND MS. WILLIAMS, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS MONITORING THOSE, UH, GRANT PROGRAMS VERY CLOSELY, UH, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SOME ABUSE BY BUILDERS DOING SHODDY WORK IN THE PAST.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, ONE QUESTION THAT KEPT COMING IN MY MIND, I TALKED WITH MS. DAVID ABOUT IT.
HE SAID THAT HE WAS NOT IN CHARGE AT THAT TIME.
UH, SHE HAD A LIKE FIVE, FIVE ROOM HOUSE.
SHE ONLY HAD ONE HEATER IN THERE THAT HEATED THE WHOLE HOUSE.
AND I ASKED WITH THE MONEY THAT YOU'D SAY WAS INVEST IN HIS HOUSE.
WHY WAS IT A CENTRAL HEATING UNIT PUT IN HERE BEING THAT IT WAS ONLY A ONE STOVE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HEAT THE WHOLE HOUSE.
AND OF COURSE, I COULDN'T GET A REPLY BECAUSE HE SAID THAT HE WAS NOT IN CHARGE THAT TIME.
YOU SAY THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS ON TASK FROM WHATEVER POINT ON TO DO A BETTER JOB AT SERVING OUR ELDERLY 'CAUSE THEY DO.
THEY PUT HEATERS IN HOUSES WHEN THEY DO, UM, PUTTING HOUSES PLAN.
THE EXISTING AGENCIES IS JUDGED, NOT SUFFICIENT TO ADEQUATELY.
DEEP ANALYSIS DOES NOT OFFER IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S ALLOCATED FOR THE REHABBING OF THE HOUSE AS A PART OF IT.
AND ONE THING THAT YOU MIGHT GET INTO IS A LESS THAN IDEAL GATING SYSTEM.
IT MIGHT BE 10 YEARS OLD AND, UH, KINDA DO THE BEST POSSIBLE JOB, BUT YOU GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THE LEAKS IN THE ROOF.
THE WIND
YOU MASTERED SOMETHING THAT I'VE HEARD SEVERAL COMMENTS LIKE THIS, ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND THE HOUSES.
AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, UM, THE ALLOCATION HAS, HAS BEEN INCREASED OVER THE YEARS, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, YOU KNOW, LIKE INSTEAD OF TAKING THE, AND PUTTING A LITTLE MONEY, GET THE MONEY HERE AND PATCHING THINGS.
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THE PROJECT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, RATHER THAN HAVE TO HOLD SOMETHING, THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF CASH, $7,500 FOR A UNIT, IS THAT NOT A MONEY DICTATED BY THE GRANTEE?ONE PROBLEM, WE CAN'T HEAR HIM IN A SENSE IS A LOT OF OUR HOUSES ARE LARGE AND YOU GET INTO AN OLD BARGE
AND WHEREAS IN THE PIEDMONT VILLAGES WHERE THEY'RE SMALLER, THERE'S BEEN A COMPANY OVER THE YEARS, BUT IN OUR AREA HERE WITH
WE HAVE TO REBID CUT BACK ON ITEMS. SO NORMALLY I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF YOU'RE BRINGING IT AND STUFF, BECAUSE THIS IS, HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST WITH SOME OF THESE GRANTS.
AND JUST RECENTLY, UH, I SIGNED OFF ON ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE HOUSES IN THE FIRST SECOND THIRD AVENUE WITH, UH, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE HAS SAID WE CAN SPEND MORE THAN THE $22,000 IF IT'S NECESSARY.
UH, MRS. WILLIAMS, ALDERMAN LEE COULD GIVE YOU AN ADDRESS OF AN INDIVIDUAL ON LINCOLN STREET.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE WITH A HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN REHABBED AND BEEN EXCELLENT.
ARE THERE OTHER REQUESTS AND PETITIONS FROM CITIZENS? MY NAME IS BILL HARPER, 46, 25 OLD SHAREPOINT ROAD NEARBY.
UM, I CONTACTED THE CITY SOMETIME BACK ABOUT, I LIVE OUR HOT WATER AND SLID IT ACROSS THE TOP OF MY HOUSE.
AND I'VE DONE THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES DURING THE LAST STORM, THE VERY WHILE IT'S RUNNING OVER THE TOP OF MY HOUSE AND BROKE ONLY AT BROKEN ACROSS THE HIGHWAY WHEN WE HAVE PROBABLY FOUR OR 500 FEET FROM MY HOUSE, BUT IT STILL MADE ME VERY UNCOMFORTABLE AND VERY NERVOUS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S AT FAULT.
WHY SHOULD BE OVER MY HOUSE? I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT LIE.
WHY WAS THAT BEFORE MY HOUSE WAS, BUT WHOEVER INSPECTED, WHOEVER THE INSPECTOR WAS NOT APPROVED FOR THAT HOUSE TO BE BUILT UNDER THAT LIVE WIRE.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER IT WAS CITY OR OLD COUNTY.
I WAS TOTALLY UNAWARE OF THE WIRE WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT THERE.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THE POTENTIAL DANGEROUSNESS OF IT, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
MR. WARD OR SOMEBODY IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULD LET ME KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE.
UH, UH, LAST TIME I HEARD FROM THE CITY ON IT, THEY TOLD ME IT WOULD COST ME $156.
I THINK IT WAS $156 TO TAKE THAT WIRE AND RUN IT ANOTHER WAY TO KEEP IT FROM BEING OVER THE TOP OF MY HOUSE.
UH, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY IT TO HAVE THAT BEFORE I MOVED TO ANYWAY, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH IF SOMEBODY WAS LOOKING INTO IT.
ARE THERE OTHER REQUESTS AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS? WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT ITEM THEN.
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UM, THIS IS, UH, ITEM FIVE.THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND ARTICLE 14 SCREENING TREES AND PLANTING OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
UM, LET ME ASK, UH, MR. SEKULA, IF HE WOULD JUST GIVE US A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF THAT, AND IF THERE'S ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD, WE WOULD HEAR YOU MAYOR MORGAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THIS PARTICULAR ARTICLE, MR. SEKULA.
YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF? SO NOT I'M MR. SCHOOLA CITY PLANNER WITH THE NEWBURGH PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, MAYOR MORGAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THIS PARTICULAR ZONING AMENDMENT REQUEST, UH, DEALS WITH OUR, UH, TR UH, PLANNING REQUIREMENTS IN THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE CONSTANTLY DOING AS WE WORK WITH THIS ORDINANCE IS, IS FINE TUNING IT.
UH, ONE PROVISION THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING COULD BE A PROBLEM AT SOME POINT WOULD BE OUR PLANNING REQUIREMENTS, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, WHERE YOU HAVE A TENDENCY FOR BUILDINGS TO BE BUILT ON ZERO LOT LINES, RIGHT NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER.
RIGHT NOW OUR PLANNING REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE THAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT BEING COVERED IN GREEN AREA.
AND, UH, PRACTICABLY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AREA WHERE YOU HAVE A DENSE BUILDING, A BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SPACE TO, TO PROVIDE THE PLANNING.
SO WE WANT TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE ORDINANCE WHERE IF A SITUATION AROSE, WHERE WE DID HAVE AN INFILL BUILDING THAT WENT INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT THAT PLANTING WOULD NOT NEED TO BE REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR A BUILDING TO BE BUILT IN THAT PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
AND THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT DISTRICT ARE DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH YOU HAVE ACCOMPANYING MEMO.
ARE THERE ANY PERSONS WHO WISH TO BE HEARD THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR YOU TO SPEAK OR HAVE YOU INPUT SEEING NO ONE WROTE A PUBLIC HEARING MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING BE CLOSED ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOST LEVY KNOWN BEHIND OPPOSE.
THIS MOTION IS CARROT MOTION HAS BEEN MADE IN SECOND THAT THE ORDINANCE BE ADOPTED.
WOULD YOU CALL IT ROW PLAYS? YES.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND ARTICLE FIVE APPEALS, VARIANCES INTERPRETATIONS SECTION 15 DASH 93, INTERPRETATION OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE.
GREG'S A COOLER MEMBER OF THE CITY PLANNING STAFF, UM, MAYOR BARGAIN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT DEALS WITH INTERPRETATIONS OF THE ZONING MAP.
UH, WE HAD NOT HAD A RULE IN PLACE PERTAINING TO A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT THAT DIVIDES A LOT.
AND THIS PARTICULAR MEMBER OF THE AMENDMENT SIMPLY SAYS WHATEVER THE MAJORITY DISTRICT THAT FALLS ON THAT LOT IS, IS THE DISTRICT THAT WILL GOVERN THE ENTIRE LOT.
AND IT MAKES THE APPLICATION OF ZONING DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS, MUCH EASIER TO HANDLE BY STAFF, THE LOVE AND THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM WOULD A PUBLIC HEARING BE CLOSED MOST OF THE MADE AND SECONDED THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING BE CLOSED ALL IN FAVOR MOTION, LET BE KNOWN BY AYE, OPPOSES MOTIONS, CARROT MOTION.
AND SECOND THAT THE ORDINANCE BE ADOPTED.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS LAND USE ORDINANCE AND JUST COMMEND THE PLANNING STAFF FOR MAKING CHANGES AND RECOMMENDING CHANGES.
WHEN YOU SEE THAT IT'S APPLICABLE AND JUST QUOTE COMMON, BASIC SENSE TO DO IT.
WHAT'D YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? YES, YES.
WE HAVE HAD ADVANCED INFORMATION.
ALL THE WOMEN MAKE DOWN, SHE'S GOT A PRESENTATION.
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WE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION WE MADE THAT PRISON.I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION TO PROVIDE.
THE OTHER ONE WAS PROVIDED AT WORK SESSION.
AND WHEN INFORMATION THAT THE MANAGERS PROVIDED TO EVERYONE, WELL, I GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND I DOUBT YOU GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER, BUT I ASKED HIM ANYWAY.
SO YOU ABLE TO HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHAT IS THE AVERAGE TIME POLICE CARS WITH THE HIGHWAY PATROL CAR THAT WE HAVE HAD HAVE BEEN IN SERVICE? I MEAN, ARE THEY LAST SIX MONTHS OR YEARS? MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 60 SOME OF THOSE CARS AND WE ARE HAVING TO REPLACE AT THIS POINT OVER 20 A YEAR.
SO I'D SAY 23 AROUND THREE YEARS.
THAT'S BASICALLY HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.
THAT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE ABOUT 86.
WELL, THE SUMMARY ON THE BOARD, IT REALLY DIDN'T DIG INTO THIS TOO MUCH.
THE MAIN IT'S NUMBERS THAT ARE IN THESE ESTIMATES ARE NOT CORRECT IN THE LIVER.
IN THIS RESPECT, THE MAINTENANCE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE, AND THESE COST ESTIMATES, OUR TOTAL DOLLARS FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND THE POLICE PARK, NOT JUST THE 67 CARS THAT ARE BEING REPLACED AND INCLUDED IN THAT OR SCOOTERS, DRUG CARS.
AND THEN SOME OF THE YEARS, NOT ALL OF THE YEARS, THE CAR WASHES ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT.
AND THAT GENTLEMAN RUNS ANYWHERE FROM 150 TO $200 A MONTH.
SO THERE'S BETWEEN 3000, $5,000 A YEAR.
ALL FOR THAT, I'M JUST ASKING, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN'T TELL ME THE MAINTENANCE DOES IT.
WELL, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ONE POINT IN QUESTION AND I HOPE THAT WHEN I GET THROUGH YOU WON'T TAKE OFFENSE TO IT, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY TIMES CAR
UH, NO, WE'VE PICKED UP SEVERAL OFFICERS OFF THE SIDE OF THE STREET WHOSE CARS ARE, AND WELL, I GAVE IT, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHICH CAR, WHICH I KNEW
SO THAT'S TO YOU, YOU STRIKE OFF THE LIST.
BILL, YOU WANT TO ANSWER ONE QUESTION? YOU SAID WE PURCHASED ABOUT 60.
UH, WE, WE REPLACED VARIOUS NUMBERS OR HAVE OVER THE YEARS, BUT IN THE PAST GOT YEARS, THEY HAVE BEEN RISING BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF THE CARS WE'VE BEEN GETTING HAS BEEN DETERIORATING MORE AND MORE.
SO WE ARE PRESENTLY REPLACING IN THE VICINITY OF 20 CARS PER YEAR.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OF THE TOTAL NUMBER WE HAVE PURCHASED OVER THE YEARS.
THE ESTIMATE TO SEND HERE ON FOR PURCHASING THE OLD CARS I PRESUME IS, GOES UP TO $942,000 OVER SIX YEARS.
YOU WANT TO ADJUST THE CARS ALONE? PLUS THE ACCESSORIES 900.
UH, WHAT I HAVE IS THE TOTAL COST ON THE OLD CARS, UH, OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, NET COSTS OF ABOUT 1.1 MILLION OVER SIX YEAR PERIOD.
IT'S THIS PAGE HERE, PAGE FOUR, WHEREAS GOT EACH TIME.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY.
OVER SIX YEARS OF BOUNCE TO ABOUT, WE PAINT ONE, A 6500 6500 A CAR, AND THAT WAS ESTIMATED WITHOUT INFLATION, HOWEVER WAY THEY WERE 5500, 4 YEARS AGO.
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THEY COMES OUT ABOUT 145 CARS, SIX YEARS.THAT'S THAT'S ROUGHLY THE 20 A YEAR.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, ALL I'VE DONE IS JUST ADD, UM, MULTIPLIED THE INFORMATION.
NOW, LET ME SEE WHAT THE TOTALS ARE.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT IS, UH, A, UH, DEBT SERVICE.
IF YOU'LL TURN TO PAGE IF YOU TURN TO PAGE FIVE, THAT IN ADDITION TO THE PURCHASE OF THE CARS, THERE'S 120, $2,275 WORTH OF ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR SAFETY SAKE, UH, WHICH WE HAD INDICATED WE WERE PROBABLY GOING TO PURCHASE ANYWAY.
AND THE DEBT SERVICE ON THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS, UH, IS INCLUDED IN THOSE YEARLY PURCHASES OF AUTOMOBILES, WHICH DRIVES THAT COST UP SOMEWHAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT DIFFERENCE IS, WELL, AREN'T WE PAYING CASH? WE BUY THEM.
UH, WE HAVE NOT FOR PURCHASES OF THAT SIZE.
WE NORMALLY WOULD MAKE A FIVE-YEAR PURCHASE ON THOSE THINGS BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATE IS SO LOW, IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO DO IT THEN TO BIND OURSELVES.
I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST BUYING THEM STRAIGHT OUT.
WELL, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST, I MEAN, WE'VE NOT PURCHASED THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT FOR THESE AUTOMOBILES BEFORE.
THIS WOULD BE OUR FIRST PURCHASE OF THIS $122,000.
AND THIS YEAR'S BUDGET WOULD HIT US PRETTY HARD TO PURCHASE IT FLAT OUT.
BUT IF YOU DID, THE 122,000 WOULD STILL BE INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL, IT WOULD JUST CHANGE NEAR ONE.
WHILE I'M TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN WE HAD BEEN BUYING HIGHWAY PATROL CARS AND PRIOR YEAR WE PAID CASH.
AND THIS ANTICIPATES DOING THAT ALSO IF IT ONLY FINANCES THE ACCESSORIES TO $122,000 WORTH OF ACCESSORIES AND ADDS THAT TO THE TOTAL COST OF THE CARS AT 6,500, A CAR AND SOVIET TAKE 16, 22,000 THAT'S FOR ALL 67 OF THE ACCESSORIES, WHICH IF WE DID REACH HERE 20, 40 CARS A YEAR, IT WOULDN'T BE 122.
WELL, YOU NEED THE ACCESSORIES ON ALL THE CARS REGARDLESS.
YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU'RE GOING TO JUST MOVE THE ACCESSORIES AS YOU REPLACE THE CARS, BUT THE CARS ALL NEED ACCESSORIES IMMEDIATELY SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT THEM ON WHETHER THEY'RE OLD OR NEW THAT'S.
THAT'S WHAT PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE ACCESSORIES THAT WE HAVE ARE IN SUCH BAD SHAPE, THAT THEY'RE NOT SAFE.
AND HOW MUCH DEDUCTIBLE DO WE CARRY ON THOSE CALLS? WE DON'T WEAR SELF-INSURED PER COLLISION.
SO WE RECORD WHEN I MISSED THIS 12, RIGHT? WELL, I HAD A, I HAD A PROBLEM TOO, WITH YOUR ESTIMATES ON THE MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS THE WAY YOU CALCULATED THE NEW CAR FROM NEVER GET AS BAD AS THE OLD, THE MAINTENANCE ON THE NEW CARS WILL NEVER GET AS HIGH AS IT WOULD ON THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT THE THAT'S BECAUSE THE NEW CARS WOULD NEVER GET THE MILEAGE ON THEM THAT THE OLD CARS WOULD GET ON THEM OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
CAUSE WE WOULD REPLACE THEM AT THE END OF THE PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT, UH, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE I SAY, THE MAINTENANCE IS AN ESTIMATE AND IT'S ONLY THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO IS, IS ESTIMATE WHAT IT WOULD BE.
IT MAY BE LOWER THAN THIS IN EITHER CATEGORY.
BUT MY CONTENTION IN THIS ANALYSIS IS THAT EVEN IF THE DIFFERENCE WERE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OFF IN FAVOR OF THE OLDER CARS, THE TOTAL DIFFERENCE OVER THE LIFE OF THE SEVEN YEAR OR THE SIX YEAR PERIOD WOULD ONLY AMOUNT TO MAKING THE NEW CARS THEN MORE EXPENSIVE BY ABOUT $40,000.
AND SO FOR $40,000 EXTRA, OVER SIX YEARS, IT WOULD BE WORTH IT TO HAVE NEW CARS VERSUS OLD CARS.
THAT WAS SO I DID NOT FEEL THAT THE MAINTENANCE WAS THE RIDING ISSUE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THAT THAT WAS WHY I DID NOT WORRY ABOUT THE ABSOLUTES ON THE MAINTENANCE CALLS.
EVERYTHING IS AN ESTIMATE WITH MAINTENANCE.
ANYWAY, THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE HIGH DOLLAR ITEMS. UH, DRIVE TRAIN INCHES ARE STILL UNDER WARRANTY FOR THOSE SIX YEARS, UH, KICKING OUT BUDDY.
AND I'M ON ONE THING THAT WHILE THIS IS FRESH ON THIS, THESE REPORTS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD INFORMATION I DID AND WE SAT DOWN AND WE TRIED TO ESTABLISH BY THIS VEHICLE WHAT'S BEEN DONE TO THIS PARTICULAR VEHICLE AND, YOU KNOW, TO PIN THAT DOWN AS A JOB, BUT IT WOULD HAVE SEEMED TO ME TO ANY GOOD BUSINESS THAT IF YOU'VE GOT VEHICLE B FOUR OR FIVE OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU'VE BEEN OPEN A FOLDER AND THAT'S
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WHAT'S BEEN DONE TO THAT VEHICLE.I COULDN'T DETERMINE WHICH VEHICLES WERE LEMONS WITH EXCEPTION OF A FEW THAT THAT WAS VERY OBVIOUS OR WHICH ONES I HAD JUST HAD A NEW ENGINE PUT IN.
IT I'LL JUST HAD AN ENGINE REBUILT OR, OR JUST WHAT THE STATUS WAS.
AND, UH, I'VE ALWAYS LEANED TOWARDS WANTING TO GO TO EQUIPMENT AND ALL, BUT, UH, I FELT LIKE I'M WORKING IN THE DARK, JUST LIKE DON I'M SURE.
I BELIEVE THAT WE DO HAVE THE INFORMATION ON EACH VEHICLE IN A FOLDER, BUT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SUPPLIED TO ALDERMAN MCDOWELL, WHERE THE REPORTS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN OVER THE YEARS, WHICH BASICALLY ITEMIZED THE TOTAL COSTS FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND CATEGORIES OF VEHICLES, AND THEN DO IT, WE DID NOT SEND ACTUAL COPIES OF THE WORK ORDERS AND THE OTHER THINGS WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
IF YOU'RE WILLING TO GO THROUGH IT, WE DID THAT.
NO, I DON'T WANT NOT WILLING TO GO THROUGH IT.
I THINK THAT SOMEBODY OUGHT TO PRESENT IT TO US SO WELL AGAIN, AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE IS CONCERNED, I, I DID NOT TRY TO PICK THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ITEM ON MAINTENANCE BECAUSE NO ONE CAN ANTICIPATE WHAT MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO BE.
ALL WE CAN LOOK AT IS WHAT THE MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.
AND THEN JUST MAKE GUESSES, TRY TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT IT AND MAKE EDUCATED GUESSES AS TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
BUT THE DECISION WHILE MAINTENANCE COSTS HAVE BEEN ESTIMATED AND INCLUDED IN HERE, YOU CAN CHANGE THESE TO THE WHEEL AND MAKE ONE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE OTHER.
BUT THE WHAT HINGES ON THE, ON THE WHOLE THING IS ACTUALLY THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT YOU'RE SPENDING ON PAYMENTS AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET ON SALE.
AND THE OTHER THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT IF ONE IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE OTHER, IT'S NOT GOING TO APPRECIABLY ALTER THE RESULT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, WE DID JUST DID NOT GO THROUGH TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF MAINTENANCE DATA BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL WHAT KIND OF MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROJECT SIX YEARS IN.
SO IT WAS ALL DONE THROUGH ESTIMATES.
I THINK ONE THING I'LL GET AROUND THROUGH IS YOU CANNOT HANDLE, YOU CAN'T GET A HANDLE ON WHICH CARS GIVE YOU PROBLEMS. THE WAY Y'ALL ARE HANDLING YOUR RECORD.
I MEAN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHEAT WITH THE CHIEF, WHETHER IT BE YOU OR JERRY WELL, OR ANYBODY ELSE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY IS ONCE A MONTH, LOOK AT MAINTENANCE COSTS AND LOOK WHERE IT'S BEING SPENT AND YOU CAN EYEBALL A LIMIT.
I MEAN, IT DIDN'T TAKE ME GOING THROUGH SIX MONTHS TO KNOW THAT YOU ALL WERE REPLACED.
AND UNLESS YOU KEEP THAT KIND OF MAINTENANCE RECORD, IT MAY BE THAT THE DRIVER BE 58 TEARING THINGS UP AND IT MAY BE THE NEXT ONE, THOSE IN THE SHOT, JUST AS MUCH AS THE ONE MAN IN THAT CASE, THEN YOU CAN NAIL IT, DRIVE IT DOWN, YOU BETTER DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT THE WAY Y'ALL GOT TO BIND THE FUCKING MAN, YOU GOT A MAINTENANCE CATEGORY, YOU GOT A MAINTENANCE DOLLAR, YOU SEND IT OUT THERE AND IT GETS FIXED.
WHEN IT COMES BACK, IT GOES TO THE PHONE AND NOBODY EVER SEES IT.
AND YOU HAVE, I'LL EVEN OFFERED A RIDE TO A DBAS PROGRAM, BUT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, MAN, AS DANNY SAID, THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WAS ON THE COMPUTER, BUT HE HADN'T REALLY LOOKED AT IT, BUT THAT SHOULD BE DONE NOT ONLY IN THE CHASE DEPARTMENT, BUT IN ALL THOSE FARMS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I MEAN, YOU ALL BEING ABLE TO LOOK AND SEE, OKAY, THIS CAR IS GIVING ME PROBLEMS. WELL, WE'D BE GLAD TO
IT WON'T TAKE VERY LONG, RIGHT? BUT ONE, ONE THING THAT YOU DID SAY, EVEN EVEN MAKES IT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT WE CAN'T BUY A NEW CAR.
WE BUY A NEW CAR, GOT DRIVES OUT A LOT AND IT SMASHED.
WE JUST ALL PULLED OUT LONG PERIOD.
AND THIS ESTIMATE IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET SIX TO SEVEN CARS.
YOU'RE GOING TO DRIVE THEM SIX YEARS.
YOU DON'T GET ANY MORE, NO LESS.
AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
YOU CAN'T SIT HERE AND TELL ME YOU, AIN'T GOING TO TELL THEM, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TELL ONE OF THESE CARS.
CAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU IN THE LAST SIX YEARS, YOU'VE TOLD HER THE POLICE CALL.
UH, IF I, IF I'M LYING, I'M DYING.
IT'S A LOT EASIER TO TOTAL THESE POLICE CARS, THAT IT WOULD BE ONE OF THEM.
UH, BECAUSE THE NET VALUE OF THE CAR IS SO SMALL THAT BY THE TIME YOU, BY THE TIME YOU HAD TO WORK ON IT, YOU CAN REPLACE.
I'M BEING TRUE TO YOU GET A $12,000 AUTOMOBILE AND YOU GETTING READY.
WE JUST ASKED, WELL, HOW BOUT I UNDERSTAND WE'D GET IN AN AUTOMOBILE
AND WE GET TO FINALLY GOT UP TO $12,000.
UH, AND IN THE LAST SIX YEARS, I'M SURE WE NEVER PROBABLY ADDED PATROLS IN THE NEXT X YEAR.
WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO ADD MORE PATROL.
AND WHEN MORE PATROL WAS, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE CARS.
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STILL DON'T BELIEVE THAT MIND YOU CARS IS ANSWER.WE WENT TO BUYING EACH OFFICER A CAR BECAUSE WE COULD GET THE HIGHWAY PATROL CARS AND STAY REASONABLY WITHIN ABOUT SAME PHASE.
WE WERE PAYING TO BUY A NEW CAR, CUT DOWN A THIRD ON THE TIME THEY WERE BEING WORN OUT.
AND IT, TO ME, IF YOU, IF YOU GET 20, YOU MAY NOT REALLY NEED THE 15.
AND IF YOU RUN ACROSS A B 58, THEN YOU CAN TURN THE THING OUT OF SERVICE AND SIT SALMON OR EAT EACH YEAR.
THE HIGHWAY PATROL MILEAGE HAS GONE UP AND THE PRICE OF THE CARS HAVE GONE.
WELL, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO TALK TO THEM TOO, BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST BUYERS.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MILEAGE THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER SLAVES OR THEIR OFFICERS OPERATE WELL.
SO HOW WE'VE TROLL HAS A LOT DIFFERENT OPERATION IN THE CITY.
I MEAN, THEY GO OUT AND THEY'RE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY OUT HALFWAY THROUGH YEAR OR HALFWAY BETWEEN HERE AND COVID CITY, THEIR CAR COMPS OUT, THEY GOT A LAWYER.
SOMEBODY GETS, YOU WANT TO LOSE BOULEVARD.
THIS CAR COMES OUT WELL, HE'S NOT GOING TO WAIT YEARS AS LONG.
I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHERE THEY HAVE TO WAIT.
NOW IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO ASKED FOR THAT CAR TO BE SENT TO THEM ON AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT HAVE TO WAIT.
THAT THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM, HOW MANY BREAKDOWNS ARE.
THAT TO ME IS WHERE YOU REALLY NEED TO MANAGE DRIVERS SKILLS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE MAINTENANCE DRIVING, YOU CAN'T SPOT THAT CALL RIGHT NOW.
YOU COULDN'T TELL ME TO BE 58 SCREEN WORSE TO BE 57.
WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE MOST OF YOUR FLEET IS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES AT ANY POINT IN ANY TIME, THOSE MCGILL.
SO THEY COULD GO OUT AND AT $6,500, YOU CAN HAVE MORE CARS.
YOU CAN AFFORD TO HAVE A COUPLE OF CARS SITTING AROUND UH, ALL THE MONEY, UM, A BALANCE OF NO, I, I, I WAS AT MY LIP AND IN MAY I JUST SET IT OFF ALL THE WAY MCCLANAHAN AND THEN ALDERMAN LEE, UM, MR. MR. MAYA MEMES, THE BOARD, I'M REALLY INTERESTED SIT HERE, SAY BY SIDES, PLAYING FIGURES, UM, NO FIGURES CAN COME UP MOST, ANY WAY YOU WANT TO WIN.
AND, UM, MAYBE BETTER RECORDS ARE NEEDED FOR CAR.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW I HAVE TO DIGEST, UH, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US AND, AND, AND LISTEN BOTH TO DONG THE INTERESTS.
THE BOTTOM LINE TO ME IS THAT THE END OF THE PROPOSED LIFE OF THE CALL, THAT WE GOT A BETTER CAR FOR TRADING OR SALE, WHICHEVER WE DO.
AND THAT TO ME IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
WE MAY WRECK A $12,000 CAR WHEN IT'S WORTH 12,000, WHEN IT'S WORTH 6,000.
AND WHEN IT'S DRIVING OFF THE LOT, I DON'T HAVE FACE THAT DEPRECIATES EITHER.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE I THINK IS WE WILL GET BETTER SERVICE.
WE DO HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A TWO YEAR WARRANTY, UH, THERE TO ME READING THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT AT THE END OF WHAT WE CONSIDER THE LIFE AND HOW LONG WE WANT TO KEEP IT, WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER VALUE AT THE END FOR OUR MONEY.
IT WAS ON THE AGENDA DISCUSSION TO CONSIDER THE LEASED VEHICLES.
AND I THINK IF YOU'RE THE FACT THAT WE DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED YOUR PROPOSAL AND A WORK SESSION, AND THERE'S STILL MUCH DISCUSSION OR CONCERN, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIMILAR KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS IN BUDGET SESSIONS, WHICH IS ONLY A FEW MONTHS AWAY.
I THINK THAT, THAT IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO JUST TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WHAT IS NEEDED SO THAT IT WON'T BE OTHER KINDS OF PROPOSALS MADE AT THAT TIME.
I THINK THAT WHAT, BEFORE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE PRESENT BUDGET SO THAT YOU CAN PURCHASE THESE COSTS, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THINK THAT WHAT, WHAT NOW IS REALLY TAKING PLACE THOUGH, IS THAT WE'RE SO CLOSE UP ON THE BUDGET.
WHAT, WHAT REALLY, WHAT DEADLINE WE'RE ON, WHETHER WE PURCHASE SOMETHING, WHETHER WE ORDER A MAIL OR WHERE, WHETHER WE ORDER THEM JULY ON THE LAST, WE LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO ORDER BY APRIL 21ST, 21ST, LAST EIGHT, OR THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THE PRICE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE DAD, AND IT'S NOT ONE.
WE HAVE TIMES WHEN IT WAS ONE DAY OR POSING
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AND THEN, WELL, I DON'T LIKE OTHER PEOPLE LOOK FROM THE OUTSIDE OF CONTROL, WHAT GOES ON ON THE INSIDE.SO WHOEVER THEY ARE, MAYBE WE CAN TALK TO SOME OTHER DAYS.
AND THE MOTOR COMPANY SLASH CUT OFF DATE DAUGHTER NEW.
MY CONCERN IS THAT BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT IT AND I'VE HAD SOME CITIZENS TO CALL ME IN REGARDS TO IT, NOT PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF WHATEVER IT TAKES TO POLICE THIS COMMUNITY.
AND IF CARS ARE WHAT IT TEXTS AND THIS MAKES SURE THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES AND DO IT, BUT I WANT US TO BE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED BEFORE THAT WHAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE DONE WAS TO BUY THE USED CARS FROM THE, UH, HIGHWAY PATROL THAT DID, WOULD BETTER SERVE OUR COMMUNITY OUT OUR AREA.
AND IT WOULD GIVE US CHEAPER PRICES.
NOW I HAVE BEEN CONVINCED OF THAT.
AND I'LL BE THE FIRST TO SAY TO YOU THAT I AM NOT VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE WHEN IT COMES TO BUYING A CAR SCOUT, PRETTY COLOR AND A NICE STEREO.
THEN THAT'S THE WAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OFTEN TIMES THAT I DETERMINED THE CAR, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT WITH THE CITY MONEY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST DEAL.
SO SINCE THERE IS A TIME FOR US TO CONSIDER A BUDGET OR LOOK INTO, UM, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE, YOU HAVE A LOT ITEMS NOW THAT YOU HAVE NOT SPENT.
DID YOU HAVE THE, UM, THE GO AHEAD FOR US, INCLUDING YOUR BUDGET AND SPENDING LIKE YOUR, WHAT TO, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE BUDGET SESSION, BUT TO AMEND THE BUDGET LINE OR TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT THIS POINT, I WOULD THINK WOULDN'T BE ADVISABLE.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST TALK ABOUT THIS BUDGET SESSION? ALRIGHT.
THE ONLY, ONLY THING THAT THAT DOES IS IT WILL POST FUND THIS DECISION FOR A YEAR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU'LL HAVE TO DECIDE EITHER GET THE CARS NORMALLY WILL SELL ON STATE CONTRACT FOR $12,800.
SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SUCH A LARGE QUANTITY, THE PRICE IS $12,000 PER CALL.
THAT'S ABOUT $53,000 FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE VEHICLES.
UH, IF HE USES THE MONEY THAT HE HAS THIS YEAR, THAT YOU HAVE APPROPRIATED 120,000 AND HE BUYS NEW CARS, THEN IT WILL COME.
IT WILL BE $12,800 FOR THOSE CARS UP TO THE 120,000.
THEN YOU WOULD HAVE, HE WOULD REPLACE EIGHT OR NINE CARS, WHICH HE REALLY NEEDS TO REPLACE MORE THAN THAT.
AND SO, I MEAN, WE WOULD, WE COULD APPROPRIATE ADDITIONAL MONEY IN THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, BUT WE'D STILL BE FACING THE SAME KIND OF DECISION.
AND WE'LL STILL BE PURCHASING A LOT OF, UH, HIGHWAY PATROL CARS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, IN ADDITION TO GETTING ANY NEW ONES THAT HE MIGHT GET.
SO IT, THAT'S THE RE YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY KIND OF A, UH, I KNOW IT'S A BAD SITUATION FOR YOU ALL.
AND IT'S NOT ONE THAT WE REALLY LIKED TO, UH, BRING UP AT THIS TIME THIS WAY, BUT IT'S BEEN POSTPONED SO LONG IN ORDER TO DO IT.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU.
NOW, WE JUST NEED YOUR ADVICE ON WHICH WAY WE SHOULD GO.
IF YOU SAY, WAIT, THEN OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO WAIT WITH THE URGENCY OF IT MAKES ME NERVOUS WHEN THERE WAS TOO MUCH, BECAUSE IT'S UP TO ME TO SAY, YEAH, DUDE, THIS MAKES ME MORE NERVOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REACTING TO THE WAY THAT YOU FEEL ABOUT SOMETHING.
AND I I'D LIKE TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY AND BUYING THAT MANY CARS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST, I BELIEVE THAT I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT, ABOUT CARS.
MY FRIEND HAD KNOW ABOUT COMPUTERS OR YOU KNOW, ABOUT CAR.
SO I REMIND HIM SOMETIMES WITH RICE AND THAT RESPECT, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING AND BECAUSE OF THE CONTROVERSY, IT MAKES, IT MAKES IT UNCOMFORTABLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.
WHEN IT'S JUST BEFORE BUDGET, TIME IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAS COME.
I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU GO TO BY ADDRESSING AND YOU CAN GET THERE WHEN A SALE IS ON AND YOU WAIT FOR ANOTHER SALE KIND OF THING, UH, I'M ON THE MONITOR.
AND THEN ALL OF THEM IN BALLENGER, UH, I THINK THE CONTROVERSY IS GOING TO BE THERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO.
UH, AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY, YOU EXPECT THAT TO BE THERE.
BUT I THINK THE FACT OF THE FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE AND THE COST OF MONEY MAKES IT VERY BIBLE.
ALSO THE FACT THAT YOU GET THE WARRANTY OF TWO YEARS ON THESE VEHICLES, THE SAFETY ASPECT OF, UH, THE OFFICE IS HAVING THEIR OWN VEHICLES.
THE TRADE IN AS WAS MENTIONED BY ALL THE MCCLANAHAN.
THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY CAUSES ME TO CONCERN WOULD BE THE SELF-INSURED ASPECT, UNLESS THAT WOULD SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE WAS SOME
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MONEY PUT IN ESCROW THAT, UH, COULD DO SOMETHING TO PROTECT THAT.AND YET, UH, I KNOW THAT IT CAN'T BE PERHAPS, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T PURCHASE A NEW CAR TO DRIVE WITHOUT HAVING COLLISION ON IT, EVEN IF I PAID CASH FOR IT.
SO THAT PART OF ME SAYS, HOW IN THE WORLD, CAN YOU DO THAT TO MYSELF? BUT I THINK THE OTHER FOUR IDEAS WOULD SUPPORT IN MY OPINION, THE NEW CAUSE IT'S THE COLLISION ASPECT OF BEING SELF-INSURED THAT I HAVE SOME CONCERN WITH, BUT I WOULDN'T HOLD UP THE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, UH, TO MEET THE DEADLINE.
I JUST SAY ON THE SELF-INSURED ASPECT THAT WE ARE, UH SELF-INSURED AND WE DO APPROPRIATE MONEY TO PAY FOR COLLISION LOSSES EVERY YEAR.
UH IT'S BUT IT IS, IT HAS IN THE PAST.
AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE IT BEING IN THE FUTURE CHEAPER TO PAY THE COLLISION LOSSES OURSELVES AND TO ENSURE OURSELVES, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE AT A LOSS.
WE WORKED 12, BUT YOU COULDN'T GET INSURANCE $12,000.
IT'S JUST THE, IF WE GET, IF WE BOUGHT INSURANCE, IT WOULD COST US MORE THAN IF WE JUST HELD MONEY AND PAID EVERYTHING OURSELVES, BUT WE DO APPROPRIATE MONEY.
ALL OF THEM IN BALANCE TO MAKE DOWN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE TWO OR THREE COMMENTS.
SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE TRADE IN, BUT BY THE TIME YOU TAKE THESE CARS AND, AND RUN THEM FOR FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, YOU AIN'T GOT ANY TRADE IN.
BUT WHEN WE STARTED PUTTING NEW CAR OR ADDITIONAL CARS IN, BECAUSE THE CARS WERE BEING USED 24 HOURS A DAY, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULD CUT TWO THIRDS OF THE USE OF THE VEHICLES ALL NOW, THE PREVIOUS CHIEF, THE LAST TWO BUDGETS IN THE STATE FOR A MEMBER ASKING HIM MYSELF, HOW ARE THESE PATROL CARS MAKING OUT GREAT.
RIGHT? AND IF I BE, HE WANTED MORE, HE RECOMMENDED THEM.
NOW HE HAD HAD, UH, SEVERAL YEARS EXPERIENCE ON, ON THESE CARS AND REPLACING THEM.
AND UNTIL I CAN SEE SOME RECORD ON EACH INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE KNOW THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU WOULDN'T TRADE YOUR OWN CAR WITHOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF HISTORY ON IT, REGARDLESS OF HOW OLD IT IS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT AWAY.
AND I CARS, WE GOT NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE THEM AWAY.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING FOR THEM.
SO FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, DON'T REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE DID GET THE LAST TWO YEARS A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR POLICE CHIEF, THAT THIS WAS THE WAY TO GO CITIES THAT I USED TO WORK FOR.
WE USED TO BUY THEM TOO, BUT WE USED TO BE ABLE TO GET ON FOR 30 AND 40,000 MILE CARS AT 20 TO $2,500 PER CAR.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IT WAS A GOOD DEAL.
NOW THE STATE AND THEIR BUDGET CRUNCH IS CONTINUALLY GOING UP ON THE COST OF THE CARS AND THE MILEAGE IS HAVE CONTAINED CHIEF.
I THINK THAT ANY MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, IF WE'VE GOT TWO OR THREE LEMONS IN THERE, AND WE WANT IT TO REPLACE A CERTAIN SMALL PERCENTAGE EACH YEAR WITH A NEW CAR AND STILL FILL IN WOOD NUMBERS, UH, WITH OTHERS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SELL IT.
BUT THE NUMBER OF CARS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF, OF, UH, EQUIPMENT CHIEF.
HOW LONG HAS TODDLER UP IN UNDER THEIR PROGRAM OF REPLACING THEIR CARS WITH NEW CARS? DO YOU KNOW? I RESEARCHED IT FIRST ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
AND THEY GET FOUNDED PRODUCTIVE.
WELL, JACKSONVILLE ALSO BUYS NEW CARS THAT THEY ONLY KEEP THERE'S ABOUT THREE YEARS.
WHY ARE WE ONLY GET A TWO YEAR WARRANT? IT'S A ONE-YEAR OVERALL WARRANTY.
IT'S A SIX YEAR WARRANTY ON THE DRIVE TRAIN, WHICH INCLUDES THE ENGINE TRANSMISSION AND THE DRIVE TRAIN.
SIX YEARS, 60,000 MILES ON THE DRIVE DRIVE, BUT IT'S A ONE-YEAR UNLIMITED WARRANTY.
JUST LIKE YOU GET ANY ON ANY NEW 12 MONTH, 12,000 A MONTH, REALLY? EXCEPT FOR CORRECT.
THEN IT'S A SIX YEARS, 60,000 ON, ON THE DRIVE TRAIN.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A MILLION DOLLARS EITHER WAY.
OH, I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL THE VEHICLES NEED TO BE REPLACED.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT TO YOU ALL.
AND WE PRESENTED YOU THE FACTS, BUT
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THE FACTS AS WE COULD GET THEM TOGETHER.AND CERTAINLY MR. MCDOWELL HAS BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS AND BILL ALSO, UH, AND I WOULDN'T DISPUTE ANYTHING.
THEY SAID, I, I KNOW THAT, UH, A MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IF YOU LOOK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WAY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 1,000,060 2000, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT PAYMENTS ALONE, THAT'S FOR NEW CARS AND THE OTHER WAY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS, 942,000.
SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN ANY EVENT.
WHETHER YOU GET NEW CARDS, YOU GET OLD CARS, WE'RE GOING TO BE PAYING SOMEWHERE AROUND A MILLION DOLLARS.
THE NEW POLICE CARS, MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND, THE MOTION.
WELL, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION FROM A FED QUESTION.
NO, UM, NOT GOING TO ITEM EIGHT.
CONSIDER PROPOSAL FOR PURCHASE TO PURCHASE THE CREST BUILDING.
I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE CITY MANAGER HAS, BUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHURCH HAS BEEN DOING SOME STUDY AS IT RELATES TO SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND WILL NOT HAVE THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS ANSWERED UNTIL WEDNESDAY AND THAT THEY ARE STILL INTERESTED IN, BUT IN THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THIS LEAD FOR, WELL, I DON'T.
WE CAN TELL YOU, WE VISUALLY NEED TO GET, GET RID OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU GOT TO OFFER THIS AND THE CHURCH CAN BID ON IT.
HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO JUST GO AHEAD AND, UH, START THE BIDDING PROCESS AND SAY THAT IT HAS TO STOP AT THE PRICE THAT WE HAVE WITHOUT ANY ATTACHMENT TO IT? THAT'S FINE.
UM, MR. WARD AND MR. WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS PROPOSAL THAT HE SENT US.
WHAT HAPPENS IF HE'S NOT ABLE TO ATTAIN SOME OF THE SYMPTOMS LIKE OBTAIN THE HISTORIC BUILDING RENOVATION, TAX CREDIT HE'S OUT THERE.
THEN HE SAID WITHIN TWO YEARS OR SOMETHING, NO, HE'S GOT AN OPTION OF BUYING MONTHS TO GET THE FIRST ITEM CLEARED UP.
AND THEN IT'S A DECEMBER 94 TO SETTLE UP WITH EVERYTHING.
WHAT HAPPENS IF HE'S NOT ABLE TO GET THIS? AND THEN WHO IS THE GENTLEMAN? OH, OKAY.
MR. MCDOWELL, HALDEMAN JACK DAFT 609 CRAVEN STREET.
UH, IT WAS MY FAULT TO PURCHASE THE BUILDING TO PROPOSAL, ESSENTIALLY, IT'S TO USE THE NEXT NINE MONTHS TO INVESTIGATE AND PUT ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER, WHICH INCLUDED ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, GETTING A APPROVAL FOR TAX HISTORIC TAX CREDITS AND MAKING CERTAIN FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS.
THE BOTTOM LINE OF THAT IS IF IN NINE MONTHS, NONE OF THOSE THINGS COULD BE PUT TOGETHER.
THE PURCHASE WOULD OBVIOUSLY NOT BE CONSUMMATED.
UH, IT STILL WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH THE OTHER OFFER.
I HAVE GRAVE CONCERN OVER THIS PARTICULAR MAJOR BUILDING IN THE MAJOR, UH, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT BEING ESSENTIALLY A BLANK SPACE.
UH, PART OF THE URBAN DESIGN STUDY INDICATED THAT AS SUCCESSFUL.