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YOU PRIOR ABOUT REVEREND LAURA, I'M TRYING TO BE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.
HE IS NOT HERE, SO IT WAS NOT HATRED.
SO WOULD YOU PLEASE NOW, ANYTIME THAT YOU GIVE UP AND THINK WE WERE, OH, SORRY.
I'M NOT ABOUT AS, BEYOND ME COMING THROUGH TONIGHT WILL FALL ATTACKING YOU FATHER FOR BEING SO GOOD TO US.
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING THOSE LAST NIGHT AND BRINGING US TO ANOTHER DAY THAT WE WAS ABLE TO MEET DOWN HERE TONIGHT TO TEND TO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY, WHERE THE FATHER AT THE DOLLAR GUIDE AND THE RECTOR, ALL, ALL OF US IN MAIL TONIGHT TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION OR FOLLOW.
LET US REALIZE THAT I WOULD HAVE A SEASON TO BE MADE FOR EACH COME FROM YOU.
AND THEN FROM THE PEOPLE TO HELP US THAT MAY REALIZE THAT WE ALL BROUGHT TO THE KEY PEOPLE THAT WE MAY GO FORTH AND WORK TOGETHER.
ONE FOR A, ANOTHER, WE HAD STUDIED ANOTHER BLESSING IN JESUS' NAME.
WE PRAY AND KIND OF DONE AMEN.
UM, FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS GET THE NAKED NEWS TO GIVE US SO A REPORT, THE, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED 80.9 MILLION GALLONS.
IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, THE MAXIMUM DAY WAS 4 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
THE AVERAGE WAS 2.9 MILLION GALLONS.
TODAY PER DAY, OUR BOD EFFICIENCY WAS 87% REMOVAL ARE SUSPENDED.
SOLIDS EFFICIENCY WAS 84% REMOVAL, WHICH WAS A, A VIOLATION, UH, IN LOOKING BACK TO LAST MONTH IS ALL REPORTED.
UH, WE HAD DISCOVERED SOME DEFICIENCIES IN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
WE'VE GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM THE STATE AND MADE THE CHANGES THAT WE HAD RECOMMENDED.
UH, SINCE THE SECOND WEEK OF FEBRUARY, THE PLANT HAS BEEN IMPROVING.
AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I EXPECT THIS MARKET TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
ANY QUESTIONS? FIRST THING WE HAVE IS A MONTH OF HEARING TO CONSIDER RESIGNING AND 41,540 POINT 66 SQUARE FOOT LOT LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF US.
HIGHWAY 17, SOUTH BESIDE CAROLINA, TOTAL AND RENTAL EQUIPMENT, TAMARA 20 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
YOU'RE THE MAN MAY I BET IT'S THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AN APPLICATION FOR A REZONING.
AND THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE EXTRA TERRITORY OF PLANNING JURISDICTION ON 17 SOUTH ON THE NORTH SIDE, JUST WEST OF CAROLINA, TWO AND EQUIPMENT RENTAL COMPANY.
UH, THE NEWBURN PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REVIEWED THE REZONING APPLICATION AT ITS REGULAR MEETING ON TUESDAY, MARCH 4TH, AND RECOMMENDED THAT THE RE UH, REZONING BE APPROVED.
UH, I DON'T SEE THE AFRICAN HERE.
UH, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK HIM ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND, UH, AFTERWARDS I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU STEP COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE HAD AN OPPOSITION TO NO, I'M NOT.
UH, THE PROPERTY WAS POSTED, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 100 FEET WERE NOTIFIED OF THE REZONING APPLICATION.
AND, UH, WE DID HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD MEETING, AS I MENTIONED, AND WE, UH, ENTERTAIN NO OPPOSITION AT THAT MEETING.
I RECEIVED NO PHONE CALLS FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, NOTIFIED ME
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THAT THEY OPPOSED THE REZONING.I DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL, UH, TO, UH, EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT THE AREA BEING RESIDENTIAL.
HERE IS ANYBODY HERE CHANGING THIS?
UH, THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S MAKING THE REQUEST.
CHECK ON THIS, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR UP TO 41,000 SQUARE FEET, ROUGHLY AN EIGHT, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
HOW MUCH OF THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED? WE'LL CALL THE WETLANDS.
ANY OF THEM PROBABLY ABOUT, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST, UH, ESTIMATE PROBABLY ABOUT 25%, 25%.
HOW CLOSE TOWARDS I SEE YOU GOT, UM, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ABOUT 300 FEET.
I THINK 88 IS PLUMBING AND THERE'S A MOBILE HOME RIGHT BESIDE EDDY'S PLUMBING.
AND THEN THERE'S A VACANT HOUSE.
AS YOU'RE LEAVING NEWBURN RIVER AIR COLLISION WOULD BE THE FIRST COURSE PIECE OF PROPERTY YOU GET TO, AFTER YOU PASS THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, THEN YOU'VE GOT CAROLINA, UH, RENTAL TOOL COMPANY.
THEN YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE HOUSE THAT'S UP THERE WITH A BUNCH OF WASHING MACHINES AND STUFF AROUND THE BACK.
I REALLY DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A RESIDENCE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, BUT WE REALLY DON'T MOVE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT W EDDY'S PLUMBING COMPANY NEXT.
AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE'S A, DOUBLE-WIDE JUST BEEN PUT IN.
AND THEN OF COURSE, COASTAL ELECTRONICS IS RIGHT ACROSS, ACROSS THE ROAD, GOES TO ELECTRONICS.
CARBURETOR IT'S ON THE LEFT BEFORE YOU GET TO THIS PROBLEM.
THIS IS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE CAROLINA TOOL REALM.
AND THE NEXT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE INVOLVED WITH HIS PLUMBING.
THERE IS A HOUSE SITTING UP ON THE HILL IS, IS A RAVINE BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE NEXT HOUSE.
AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.
IT LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
IT'S A HOUSE, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO USE IT FOR THAT.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT ABOUT THE 30,000 SQUARE FEET IN THERE.
AND THAT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO C3 NOW.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A NATURAL BARRIER BETWEEN YOU AND THE NEXT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE THIS WETLANDS.
PRETTY UP WHAT I CAN SEE ON THE DRAWING.
THAT'S WHAT YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS OUT HERE IN FRONT OF QUESTIONING.
IS IT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED? WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT CAN BE DEVELOPED? UH, RIVER EAR COLLISION, WHICH IS A BODY SHOP IS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF CAROLINA RENTAL TOOL IS YOUR FACING RENTAL TOOL.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
THEY ARE, THEY'RE IN A LEASED BUILDING, RIGHT? TO PRESENT TIME.
AND IT WILL BE BUILT TO SPECIFICATIONS.
ONE OF THE CITY'S SPECIFIES, I THINK IT WAS BRICK EXTERIOR.
AND HE'S GOING THROUGH ALL THAT WITH ALL TAR HEEL BUILDING COMPANY.
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I'M SEAN, SOME OF THE ELECTED LEADER OF THE, UH, HE DIDN'T THAT AREA BACK A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHEN THE ISSUE CAME UP ABOUT, UH, ETJ IN THAT AREA.NOW, MR. AVERY, MIKE ERIE CAME OUT AND MADE A COMMITMENT WITH THE TEAM THAT HE WOULD ASSURE THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD KEEP THAT RURAL CHARACTER AND THE PURPOSE OF ETJ TO STOP THE MITCHELL, UH, OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND COMMERCIAL.
SINCE THAT TIME THERE'VE BEEN PEOPLE COMING BEFORE THIS BOY, MR. AVERY SAID THIS, THE, UM, CHURCH ERA WAS COMMERCIALIZED.
THE, UH, CEMETERY WAS COMMERCIALIZED.
THEN THE FOREST CAME AND GOT THEIR PROPERTY COMMERCIALIZED.
THEN THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO, THERE WAS ANOTHER MAN CAME AND GOT HIS COMMERCIALIZED.
UH, I FEEL THAT THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA OF THERE FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
HE ASKED ME TO MAKE REPRESENTATION TO YOU THAT THEY WANT THAT AREA TO STAY, KEEP IT ROOM RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER AS MR. AVERY HAS PROMISED IT.
NOW ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND WHEN YOU GET READY TO, UH, HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND GOING TO A COMMERCIAL AND AREAS OF PROPERTY.
UH, IN THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, I FEEL STRONGLY THAT YOU SHOULD SEND A LETTER OUT TO THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA AND INFORM THEM SAYING THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, GIVE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.
NOW I HAVE HERE A LETTER HERE.
THIS IS A
COVID THOUGHT, UH, I WILL,
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I, I FEEL STRONGLY AT THIS TIME THAT WE SHOULD POSTPONE THIS VOTE AND TELL THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, UH, PROPERLY AND, UH, EFFICIENTLY INFORMED.
AND IF THEY DON'T COME HERE, THEN YOU GO ON.
BUT I DON'T THINK HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENTLY INFORMED.
THEY'VE BEEN A LITTLE BLUE SIGN PUT OUT THERE ABOUT 13 INCHES.
SHE'S I GUESS, ABOUT 18 INCHES WIDE, 18 INCHES LONG AND 13 WIDE, AND IS FACING HIS CENTER OF THE ROAD.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT DRIVE ALONE THAT THEY CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, YELLOW SIGNS I'LL PUT ON THE SHOULDER OF THE ROADS, WHERE THE MOTORS CAN SEE THEM.
THEY CAN, THEY CANNOT SEE THAT LITTLE SIGN IS THERE NOW.
UM, I FEEL THAT THE US DID, UH, NAIL MR. AVERY, A BOOK OF STAMPS ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AGO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THOSE STAMPS.
UH, BUT ANYWAY, YOU CAN'T SAY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF FINANCE TO SEND OUT LEVEL TO INFORM THE PEOPLE.
AND I CAN SEND YOU SOME MORE, BUT I WANT YOU TO SHOW ME YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THOSE IN YOUR POCKET TOO.
UM, BUT I, I STRONGLY FEEL THAT, UH, IF, IF YOU GO INTO A COMMERCIALIZED THAT AREA, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UH, SEND THE PEOPLE OUT, LET US IN, UH, WE HAVE IN THE PUBLIC HERE AND NOW WE DON'T, WE'RE OUT PLAYERS OUT TO VOTE ON THE COMMERCIALIZATION ON SITE LOCATIONS IN THE AREA.
NOW THIS HAPPENED TO BE A VACANT SPOT THERE.
AND NEXT TO THAT VACANT SPOT IS, IS A HOME.
AND, UH, WE ALL KNOW I'M JUST AS OLD AS MOST OF YOU IN, IN SITTING UP THERE.
AND I WORKED WITH THE UNITED, I WORKED WITH THE GOVERNMENT, I WORKED IN VIETNAM 10 YEARS.
I RISKED MY LIFE AND I HELP PEOPLE.
NOW I'VE SAVED MANY MILLIONS OF LIVES.
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UH, AND WHEN I COME HERE TO NEW BUD, I WANT TO BE TREATED.UH, AND I WANT PEOPLE THAT I REPRESENT BE TREATED FAIRLY BECAUSE I DID IT WHEN I WAS IN AFRICA.
OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, WORKING FOR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND FOR THE UNITED NATIONS.
UH, I STRONGLY FEEL, AGAIN, I SAY THAT WHENEVER THIS ISSUE COMES UP AGAIN, JUST SEEING THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA THAT LIVED TWO OR 300 FEET FROM THE TRACK OF LAND, A NOTIFICATION SAYING THAT WE, UH, OUR PLANS ARE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND OUR PLANS ARE TO COMMERCIALIZE THIS PARTICULAR SPOT.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION, YOU COME OUT AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF IT, ALL SPEAK AGAINST IT, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET THAT NOTIFICATION.
AND ALSO, AS I SAID IN THE NEWSPAPER, THERE WAS SOME MISINFORMATION THERE BECAUSE IT SAYS CAROLINA TOO.
NOW WHERE'S THAT LOCATED? IT'S NO ADDRESS.
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A HIGHWAY 17 ON IT.
UH, WE NEED TO TREAT THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
KEEP YOUR COMMITMENT, TREAT THEM FAIRLY.
WE ALL KNOW ONE DAY THAT AS BUSINESS COME IN AS THE COMMERCIAL, UH, THESE, UH, COMMERCIAL BUSINESS COME IN, THEY GOING TO SQUEEZE THE PEOPLE OFF OF THEIR LAND.
AND DESPITE WHAT YOU SAY, WELL, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SELL THE LAND.
YOU HAVE $110,000 HOME, $130,000 HOME.
AND SOMEONE PUT BUSINESS ALL AROUND IT.
WHEN YOU SELL THAT, PROBABLY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET $130,000 OUT OF IT.
YOU MAY GET A YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU GET THE 40 OR $50,000 OUT OF IT, BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT BUYS THE HOME MEANS NOTHING TO THEM.
WHAT REALLY IMPORTANT THEM IS GETTING THAT TRACK OF LAND SO THEY CAN TEAR THAT HOUSE DOWN.
IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE IT AND PUT A BILL IN THERE.
NOW THEY DID THIS OVER GLEN BURNIE.
AT THIS MOMENT, I BELIEVE TWO HOUSES ON GLEN BURDEN.
THEY ONLY RAMP NINE, GETTING READY TO BE MOVED.
AND I REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN THEY HAD FARMS AND ALL OVER THERE, AND THEY TOLD ME THAT I WAS MISINFORMED OR MISLEADING PEOPLE.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY GOING TO EXPAND, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE GOING TO HAVE THE MOVE.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE PROBLEM FOR YOU AS A COUNTY PLANNERS.
I HAVE A DEGREE IN ADMINISTRATION FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND.
NOW I KNOW IF THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A HOME, YOU GET IN A SALE, $500 A YEAR OUT OF TAXES AND BINS, AND COME IN, YOU CAN GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY.
YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT BUSINESS.
SO, UH, WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU POSTPONE THIS VOTE UNTIL ANOTHER MONTH, TILL TWO WEEKS.
AND THAT'S INFORMED THE PEOPLE BOUGHT IT.
AND IF THEY DON'T COME HERE AND THEN THEY CAN'T SAY, WELL, UH, WE WEREN'T INFORMED.
WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
WELL, MOST OF THE PEOPLE DON'T TAKE THE SUN JOURNAL.
SO WHEN YOU PUT AN ADVERTISEMENT IN A JOURNAL, YOU MIGHT HIT A 30% OF PEOPLE.
ONE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US YOU BERNARD, WHAT NOTIFICATION WAS? UM, THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, IS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE PROPERTY TO BE REZONED, BE NOTIFIED BY LETTER.
THERE WERE THREE OWNERS WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET, AND THOSE WERE NOTIFIED THE, UH, REZONING SIGN THAT YOU SEE WITH THE BLUE ONE, WITH THE LARGE WHITE Z ON IT WITH THE DAY.
AND THE TIME WAS, WAS POSTED ON THE SITE.
AND, UH, I HAVE A COPY OF THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE HERE, AND IT SAYS R 20 AND IT SAYS U S 17 SOUTH.
SO, UH, UH, THIS, THIS WAS PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER, UH, ONCE A WEEK WE TOOK A SECOND
EVEN IN THE MESS PLAN C THREE COMMERCIALLY, RIGHT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHAT THE LETTERS ON NUMBERS IN FRONT OF IT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD PUT A LOT MORE, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T TYPED
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EVIDENTLY OR WHATEVER, I PERSONALLY WOULD BE A LOT MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IF YOU'VE BEEN WRONG ABOUT WHATEVER GOING TO CHANGE TO YOUR COMMENTS ARE TAKEN.LET ME GIVE AN EXAMPLE HERE, MY MIND, AND I GUESS THIS IS MORE OR LESS AN INTERNAL DOCUMENT.
IT SAYS U S HIGHWAY 17, SOUTH REZONING REQUEST ANALYSIS.
LET ME JUST GATHER INFORMATION.
SO STAY UP CALMING THE US HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH PAMPHLETS CAR WAS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS IN THE CITY AND IS HIGHLY SUITED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THIS FAST-GROWING AREA IS ESSENTIAL FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND ECONOMIC WELLBEING AND THE CITY THERE'S MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS INTRODUCED THIS RULE IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY IS PROTECTED FROM THE INDISCRIMINATE MIXING OF COMMERCIAL.
WITH RESIDENTIAL USES RESIDENTS VOICED CONCERN ABOUT THE POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE CHARACTER OF THEIR COMMUNITY.
FORTUNATELY, THE SUBJECT LOCK IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE C3 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT AND VIRTUALLY ISOLATED BY THE ENJOINING UNDEVELOPED WOODLAND FOR MANY NEARBY RESIDENTIAL USES MY POINT BEING THAT EVEN IN OUR INTERNAL DOCUMENTS, WHICH ARE NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, IS, IS WE'RE TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING AND YOU DON'T REALLY MEAN HERE.
IT IS FROM NAR GEORGE HIMSELF SAYING THAT THE SENSITIVITY TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT THERE IS ALWAYS UNDER THEIR CONSIDERATION BEFORE THEY DO THAT.
SO I'M JUST READING THAT FOR YOUR BENEFIT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO VOICE.
BUT THE INTENT OF THIS BOARD AND OUR DEPARTMENTS IS NOT TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA ANY ANYMORE, SO THAN WE CAN HELP, BECAUSE IF WE HADN'T TAKEN IT AS HE TAKE ETJ, ANYWAY, PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY, TO PUT WHATEVER THEY WANT AND ONLY PREVIOUS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO WHAT WE SAID.
WE WERE GOING TO MASTER TRYING TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER FOR THE AREA AS BEST WE CAN, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AT ANYTHING, ANYTIME YOU WANT.
YES, MY, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD WHO ARE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY ALSO VOTE ON THIS ITEM AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS THAT TO BE APPROVED.
UH, I'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY IS A SMALL, WELL, ONE ACRE OVERALL LOT JUST BEYOND CAROLINA TOOL AND EQUIPMENT RENTAL COMPANY CAROLINA TOOL HAS TWO OF THE SLAB SIDED METAL BUILDINGS THERE THAT WE TRIED TO AVOID WHENEVER WE CAN ON THE APPROACHES TO THE CITY, THIS LOT SLOPES OFF FROM THAT LEVEL, VERY STEEPLY DOWN TO WHAT IS TERMED WETLANDS AND IS ACTUALITY A SWAMP FAIRLY WIDE ONE BEHIND IT, OUR TREES, IT IS ISOLATED FROM OTHER HOUSING.
IT IS A, THAT SWAMP IS IN A VERY DEEP AREA THAT SLOPES OFF FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS.
IT HAS BEEN PURCHASED BY A GENTLEMEN WHO WANTS TO BUILD A BUILDING THERE KNOWING AND AGREEING THAT IT MUST BE SHE IN BRICK OR SOMETHING ODD.
THAT SORT, WHICH WILL MAKE IT MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN THE CAROLINA EQUIPMENT BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE, WHICH IS JUST SLAMMED SIDED METAL.
I DON'T THINK THAT IN THE WILDEST IMAGINATION, ANYONE IS GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO THAT METAL BUILDING ON A STEEP SLOPE THAT FALLS OFF A SWAMP.
IT IS DEFINITELY NOT REALLY SUITABLE AS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AND THE GENTLEMAN IS READY TO PUT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO A WELL-DESIGNED ATTRACTIVE BUILDING, WHICH MATCHES IN USE, OR IS COMPATIBLE WITH YOU IN USE WITH THE BUILDINGS BESIDE IT, WHICH ARE THE CAROLINA EQUIPMENT RENTAL BUILDINGS.
AND IT IS C3 ACROSS THE STREET.
IT JUST SEEMS TO BE BY FAR THE BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE OF THE LAND AND THE HEAVY SWAMP THAT'S BESIDE IT.
AND OF COURSE I'VE SEEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF PLAYING HIS OWN BOARD AND BREAKFAST ABOUT STAFF.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE OTHER MEMBERS ARE GOING TO VOTE, BUT JUST
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LOOKING BACK, WE SAT HERE THAT NIGHT.OF COURSE YOU CAN'T STOP PROGRESS.
YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE COMING IN, BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO SOME IDEAS OR SOME AGREEMENT IF IT WASN'T INVITING OR VERBAL, WHATEVER, SOMETIMES YOU HAD TO GO BACK TO THAT.
AND DURING THAT TIME, WE SOLD THE IDEA OF ETJ PROTECTIVE TOO, FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
AND THE PROTECTIVE TOOL WAS TO NOT ALLOW COMMERCIALLY, TO BE NEXT DOOR TO YOU, READ TO YOUR HOME OR WHATEVER.
AND IN MY FEELING AT THAT TIME IS MY PERSONAL FEELING.
WAS THAT MY, MY, MY SUPPORT THAT ETJ WAS NOT TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL TO GO BEYOND
NOW WE HAD THE DERIVATIVE, SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS ALREADY.
MARSHA, WHEN WE SOLD TO THOSE RESIDENTS OUT HERE THAT THIS WAS A PROTECTIVE MEASURE, TO HELP THEM TO NOT ALLOW TOO MUCH MORE TO BE BROUGHT INTO THAT, MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY I FELT THAT WE SOLD IT TO THE AIRPORT AND THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
AND WE SOLD IT TO OPEN THAT WAY.
AND I CAN'T SEE MYSELF HOLDING FOR THIS AREA TO BE SOLD COMMERCIAL.
I'LL LET THEM MAKE THE MOST DEFINITELY NOT REQUEST MR. MAYOR, I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE REZONING REQUEST OR IS IT DRAWN, ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MR. MAYOR, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY.
AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MR. GEORGE, IS THAT THE SIGN BE A LITTLE LARGER.
COULD WE DO THAT? AND THE PA AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE SIGN, THE SIGN, ACTUALLY, IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY YOU CAN'T SEE THE SIGN, UNLESS YOU STOP AND RIDE ALONG THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU'LL SEE THE SIGN, MAYBE A LARGER SIGN WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF PLACEMENT.
SO YOU'RE FACING IT AS YOU COME ALONG THE ROADWAY.
IS THAT, UH, CONTRARY TO THE REGULATIONS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA ARE NOTIFIED THAT THIS IS A, A PIECE OF PROPERTY UNDER ZONING, RECONSIDERATION, OR CONSIDERATION WELL, THE SIGN, I GUESS IT'S A BLUE WITH THE WHITE LETTERING AND GOT A DISTINCTIVE MARKING ON IT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE LARGE, ESPECIALLY OUT THERE ON 17 WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING 50 AND, UH, THE SPEED LIMIT.
THERE IS SUCH THAT UNLESS YOU, UH, HAVE A INSTANCE, UH, UH, YOU READ VERY RAPIDLY.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE GOING TO MISS A SIGN UNLESS YOU STOP AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE SIGN.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE SIGN BE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE, UH, PICTURE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND IT'D BE PA BE PLACED.
SO THAT MOTORISTS GOING IN THE SOUTHERLY DIRECTION CAN READ IT.
THAT'LL THAT REASONABLE? YEAH.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS NOTIFY THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR, AND YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T GET ANY NEGATIVE RESPONSE.
DID YOU GET ANY RESPONSE AT ALL? TRANSLATE? ONE THING I THINK EVERYBODY CAN AGREE UPON IMMEDIATELY AFFECTED MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT SOME RESPONSE, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, NO RESPONSE DOESN'T TELL ME ANYTHING.
THEY WEREN'T HUNTING ON VACATION.
DIDN'T GET THE LADDER OR WHATEVER, AND SENSE OF SOMETHING.
WHEREAS NAME IT ON THE BOARD AS TO WHETHER WE'RE FULFILLING OUR, UH, PERCEPTIVE IN TANDEM, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS SATISFIED IN THAT SITUATION.
THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS SAY DA, BECAUSE I WANT
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EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO KEEP OUR WORD AND BE IN THESE DOCUMENTS AND SITE PLANNING BOARD, EVERYBODY ELSE AND SAID, WE'RE NOT CROSSING THAT ONE WORD WRITTEN HERE.NEXT ONE OF THE REASONS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO STUDY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING IS, UH, WHAT WILL BE THE INTENT OF POVERTY.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYBODY IN HERE THAT CAN, THEY CAN SAY OTHER THAN THAT, THAT CORNER IS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL IT'S IT'S GROWING COMMERCIAL.
IT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL THAT WAS IN THE ETJ OR NOT IN 18.
THAT IS THE WAY THE CITY'S GROWING.
THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY DOES HAVE A NATURAL BARRIER BETWEEN IT AND THE NEXT HOUSE THAT THERE WILL BE NO DEVELOPMENT IN BETWEEN.
NOW, WHEN HE WAS BROUGHT UP THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WILL DEVALUE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ISN'T THERE A CONSIDERABLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PIECE OF THE COST OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BEING MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE? YES, THIS IS VERY VALUABLE PROPERTY.
ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT ROAD IS VERY, VERY VITAL.
MY MAIN CONCERN IS ROCKY ROAD.
THAT'S WHERE THE FOLKS THAT WHEN THEY, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, A LOT OF THEM BACK THERE POST A LOT OF PEOPLE BY THE END OF THE POWS THAT DON'T LIVE ON ROCKY ROAD ROAD.
THEY LIVE UP STANTON ROAD, AND IT'S NOT EVEN ANY TJ, BUT THIS IS, THIS ALLOWS FOR WORLDLY GROWTH.
IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO EXPAND AND HAVE CONTROL OF THE EXPANSION, WHICH IS WHAT HE, TJ WAS PUT TO PROTECT CONTROL OF THE EXPANSION.
WE CAN'T STOP IF WE DO WE'LL DIE, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY THEN TO IMPROVE WHAT WE'VE GOT.
IF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS IN BETWEEN FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES IN THAT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK VERY SERIOUS.
BUT AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS PERFECTLY NATURAL.
I JUST WANTED TO, I, YOU KNOW, I SECOND, MY, UH, JULIUS'S MOTION TO DELAY WHO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE DELAY IN THE DECISION.
HOWEVER, TO THE REZONING, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM PERSONALLY, WITH THE REZONING OF THAT PARTICULAR LOT.
BUT WHEN YOU MAKE REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT WE MIGHT'VE RENEGED ON SOMETHING THAT WE PROMISED, I'D LIKE FOR EVERYBODY TO FEEL COMFORTABLE, BECAUSE THIS BOARD IS KEEN ON INTEGRITY.
IF WE HAVE SAID TO YOU THAT WE WOULDN'T DO SOMETHING, WE WANT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT WE SAID WE WOULDN'T DO.
SO THIS IS WHY I SECOND THE MOTION TO DELAY SO THAT JULIUS AND OTHERS CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I TOO AM CURIOUS AS TO IF Y OR IF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN A HUNDRED YARDS DID NOT RESPOND TO THAT MEANS, HEY, EVERYTHING'S FINE.
OR IF IT MEANS THAT THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE NOTICES, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE WE DID SEND THE NOTICES.
WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE SHOULD, I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT OUR STAFF IN THEIR, IN THEIR SUGGESTION AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER, WE'D LIKE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN MY FRIEND IMPLIED THAT WE MIGHT BE, UH, YOU KNOW, RENEGING ON A PROMISE THAT WE MADE.
I DON'T RECALL THE PROMISE AS BEING ONE THAT SAYS WE WOULD NOT REZONE IN THE AREAS COMMERCIAL, BUT I'D LIKE CLARIFICATION FOR THAT.
AND IF IT MEANT TO DELAY IT FOR A WEEK OR TWO, I'D HOPE THAT WOULDN'T CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR THE GENTLEMEN.
WHO'S PLANNING SOMETHING, BUT WE'D LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE AND FOR THE COMMUNITY TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT, OUR INTENT, AND I'VE SEEN THE LAND.
I KNOW WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING ELSE BEING THERE OTHER THAN SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW, BUT WE WANT THE COMMUNITY ITSELF TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT.
AND IF THE LANDED TILL THE NEXT MEETING GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, THEN UNLESS THERE IS AN URGENCY, THEN I HAVE NO PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S WHY I SECOND THE MOTION TO DELAY.
BUT I AM NOT OPPOSED TO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION TO DELAY IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT? MAYBE CALL THEM WRONG.
UH, EXCUSE ME, BEFORE WE DO THIS, MR. MAYOR, YOU SAID DELAY AT ONE WEEK.
WE WON'T BE MEETING IN ONE, ONE MEETING.
I THOUGHT MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A MEETING I WAS NOT AWARE OF.
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YES, YES, YES.NOW, MR. MAYOR, FINALLY, AFTER SHE GIVES THE VOTE, MR. MAYOR, AS I THINK BACK ON THE DISCUSSION AND IT WENT ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT, UH, THE ETJ BEING EXTENDED OUT THERE.
THE TWO PRIMARY POINTS OF CONTENTION WERE THAT, UH, THE PEOPLE WOULDN'T SELL THE LAND.
SO THE CHARACTER WOULD NOT CHANGE.
THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANGE.
UH, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER AND IT WOULDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WOULDN'T SELL THE PROPERTY.
DOESN'T THAT ARGUMENT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
PRETTY PEOPLE ARE, PEOPLE ARE SELLING THE PROPERTY WELL
SOMEBODY ELSE, THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THE PROPERTY PROPERTIES ALONG THERE ARE GOING TO CHANGE HANDS.
I THINK WHAT MAX IS SAYING IS THAT EVEN IF WE HAVE, IF WE HADN'T TAKEN IT, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS HEARING.
IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE A QUESTION THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY WOULD, IT WOULD BE THERE.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANYBODY TO COME BEFORE.
THE DJ DOES GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS TO DO SOMETHING.
THAT'S ONE OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE TO EXPLAIN THAT WE'RE NOT OKAY.
THE ISSUE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, STAFF WAS ASKED BY ALDMAN FREES AND THE CITY MANAGER TO LOOK AT THE ISSUE FURTHER OF HOME OCCUPATIONS, UH, TO SEE, UH, IF THERE WAS ROOM FOR SOME POSSIBLE CHANGES TO THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME EXPANDED USE OF HOME OCCUPATIONS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, STAFF CONTACTED SEVERAL OTHER CITIES.
THE INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT WORKED ON THE ISSUE AND CAME UP WITH A PROPOSAL.
THIS PROPOSAL FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION WAS A TWO TIER APPROACH.
THE FIRST TIER WAS CALLED A MINOR PERMIT, WHICH COULD BE, UH, APPROVED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
AND IT IS BASICALLY THE SAME STANDARD THAT WE HAVE NOW AND HAVE HAD FOR MANY YEARS THAT THE HOME OCCUPATION COULD NOT OCCUPY MORE THAN 20% OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, UH, NOR COULD IT EMPLOY ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSEHOLD.
THE SECOND PART OF THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE FOR A MAJOR HOME OCCUPATION.
AND THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU COULD EMPLOY UP TO ONE PERSON OUTSIDE OF THE HOME AND COULD HAVE A SMALL ASSESSORY BUILDING, UH, OWN THE SITE THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE USED FOR HOME.
OCCUPATION USE THAT, UH, MAJOR PERMIT WOULD HAVE TO BE ISSUED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THROUGH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING AND NOTIFICATION OF NEIGHBORS AND FINDINGS THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UH, WE, UH, PREPARE THAT, SEND IT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, UH, RE UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE GREENBRIER PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHERE THEY'RE RAISED SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND ALSO EXPRESSED OPPOSITION TO THE EXPANSION THAT THE MAJOR PORTION THAT WOULD ALLOW IT TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE HOME AND HIRE ONE PERSON UP TO ONE PERSON OUTSIDE OF THE HOME, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, UH, FOLLOWING THAT MEETING AND A SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND THAT THE PROPOSAL NOT RECEIVE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
UH, THEY, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE DENIED.
AND SO IT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, MR. MAYOR, MAY I SPEAK ON THIS FOR A MOMENT? THIS CAME UP BECAUSE OF A, UH, A LADY,
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A WIDOW OF FAIRLY LIMITED MEANS, AND HER DAUGHTER WHO LIVES WITH HER, WHO WAS ALSO A WIDOW OF FAIRLY LIMITED MEANS WISHING TO DO A TELEPHONE ANSWERING SERVICE IN A, AN OUTBUILDING ON THEIR PROPERTY, IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IN ORDER TO DO IT AND STAY THERE, THEY NEEDED A SMALL RESTROOM BUILT INTO THAT SHED.AND NOT KNOWING THAT THEY COULDN'T DO THIS, WENT FOR THE PROPER PERMIT AND DISCOVERED THAT THEY COULD NOT OPERATE THIS BUSINESS.
AND I WAS CALLED AND ASKED IF THERE WAS, UH, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THE CITY COULD DO AND WE TALKED IT OVER AND WE SAID, WELL, LET'S LOOK AT THE LAWN.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT ADVOCATING OF COURSE, BUSINESSES, LARGE BUSINESSES OR DISRUPTIVE BUSINESSES OR HEAVY TRAFFIC BUSINESSES IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY ALREADY EXIST THERE.
UH, I KNOW OF ONE CONSULTING BUSINESS THERE.
A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WORK THERE OUT OF A PERSON'S HOME AND THE GRAPH AND READ ALSO NEWBORN AND GREENBRIAR, BUT, WELL, TWO ACTUALLY IN GREENBRIER.
AND I THINK ONE OF THEM IS JUST A ONE MAN OPERATION, BUT NO ONE WANTS BUSINESSES DISRUPTIVE, HIGHLY VISIBLE BUSINESSES OR SIGNS LIKE THAT IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, I KNOW OF A CHIROPRACTOR AND A BEAUTY SHOPS AND SEVERAL THINGS LIKE THAT IN BUSY IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY'RE IFFY AT BEST.
SO THIS WAS NOT, UH, BROUGHT UP AS AN, UH, AN ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE BASIC WAY THAT WE'RE OPERATING.
AND WHEN I DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO IT, I REQUESTED OF THE CITY MANAGER THAT WE JUST TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA AND DROP IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO ATTEMPT BEING MADE AND WILL BE NO ATTEMPT MADE TO INJECT BUSINESSES INTO OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THERE ARE THOSE LITTLE BORDERLINE, YOU WOULD ALMOST CALL THEM HUMANITARIAN SITUATIONS, UH, AND BUSINESSES WHICH ALREADY EXIST, WHICH WE REALLY HAVE NOT CLOSED OUT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THIS CAME UP.
AND WHEN I REQUESTED TONIGHT THAT WE JUST REMOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA, HE SUGGESTED THAT MR. WARD PROBABLY WOULD WANT US TO GO AHEAD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, SINCE IT HADN'T BEEN ADVERTISED, AND WE SHOULD GO DO THAT WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THERE, UH, WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS FINISHED, SINCE IT CAME UP, BECAUSE OF SOMETHING I MENTIONED, I WILL BE GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REJECT THIS BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
AND I DO NOT WANT TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH BUSINESSES INTO RESIDENCES, AND I WANTED PEOPLE TO BE AWARE OF THAT, BUT WE MAY, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO START CLOSING SOME DOWN IF WE STRICTLY FOLLOW THE LAW, AS IT IS ALREADY.
FIRST CABLE
I WAS TOLD THAT THEY GOT SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM THIS BOARD TO OPEN IT BACK.
AND THIS HAS BEEN SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
I MEAN, IT MUST HAVE BEEN SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO.
ALL I KNOW IS I WOULD, I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF CHANGING THE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT EXIST.
I DON'T, I'M NOT EVEN IN FAVOR OF DOING THE CANVAS OF NEIGHBORHOODS TO SEE WHO'S VIOLATING WHATEVER VIOLATING.
I'M JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF US CHANGING ANYTHING AT THIS TIME, NOT IN ANY ORDINANCES.
SO WE HAVE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE PUBLIC ON THE TOP, IF NOT WHERE YOU'RE CLOSING I WAS TOLD THERE WAS SOMETHING RUNNING FISHY UNDER THE TABLE.
I'M FULLY PLUGGED FRIDAY, BUT THREE 12 JOHNSON STREET.
AND I UNDERSTAND IF YOU PASS THE CELLO, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO HAVE TO SUFFER FROM IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CANNOT BE NEXT THING NEXT TO MY HOUSE OR DOWN THE STREET, AND I'M NOT TOO INTERESTED, BUT I THINK IT'S GREAT TO BE WORRIED ABOUT A WIDOW, BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT CHILDREN AND MY NEIGHBOR ALSO, UH, I THINK THAT JIM BROUGHT A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
YOU NEED TO LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO SUCH THINGS.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF IT.
WE CAN COME HERE AND LISTEN TO WHAT YOU SAY, AND YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
I THINK IT'S SCRUBBING THAT YOU WANT TO DENY THE MOTION, BUT I HAVE TO GIVE A, I DON'T TRUST YOUR WORD BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SNEAK IT AGAIN NEXT MONTH.
SO ONE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE HIS EAR,
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I HAVE A, SOME KIND OF, UM, SERIOUS COMMITMENT FROM THAT BOARD THAT YOU WANT TO FOLLOW WHAT YOU HAVE PROMISED THE IN HERE OF THIS TOWN.AND IF YOU TRY TO APPROACH THE SAME SUBJECT, YOU'RE GOING TO COME FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC AND BE OPEN ABOUT IT.
AND WE CAN HAVE A SERIOUS DISCUSSION.
UH, MR. MR. MAYOR, MY ADDRESS IS SINCE I BROUGHT IT UP, LET ME, LET ME PUT, LET ME MAKE THIS POINT.
I DID NOT KNOW UNTIL TONIGHT THAT THIS ITEM WAS ON THE AGENDA.
FOR ONE REASON, I ALWAYS GO OVER MY AGENDAS AND I DO ALL THE WORK ON IT.
HOWEVER, I'VE HAD A KNEE INJURY, I'VE HAD SOME WORK DONE ON THAT, AND I HAVE BEEN TAKING MORE MEDICATION THAN I CARE TO WHEN I'M TRYING TO READ THESE THINGS.
AND WHEN I GOT HERE TONIGHT, MR. HARTMAN MENTIONED THE, A HOME OCCUPATION THING, AND IT CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD BECAUSE IT WAS NOT LISTED AS THAT ON HERE.
THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER TO GET AROUND ANYTHING.
IT SIMPLY MENTIONED THAT THERE WOULD BE A HEARING ON A CHANGE IN THAT A LAND USE PLAN, BUT THERE IS, THERE IS, THERE HAS BEEN, AND THERE HAS BEEN, AND I WILL JUST CUT IT OFF THERE BEFORE I GET A LITTLE UPSET THAT THE APPROACH THAT'S BEEN TAKEN HERE, THERE HAS BEEN NO ATTEMPT TO HIDE ANYTHING OR TO SLIP ANYTHING BY, AND THERE WILL NOT BE READ MY LIPS.
AND THIS, WHEN I, WHEN I MENTIONED THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A PHONE ANSWERING SERVICE, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEM WITH CARS, THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS THAT PEOPLE WOULD GO TO.
THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT THIS IS NOT A TRAFFIC BUSINESS, BUT I'M WITHDRAWING IT ANYWAY.
I DID NOT ASK THEM TO REWRITE ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS.
I ASKED TO EXAMINE THE LAND USE PLAN AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING WE COULD DO FOR THIS LADY.
BUT THERE WAS NO ATTEMPT TO SLIP ANYTHING BY ANYONE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE MYSELF FIRST.
WHERE DO YOU LIVE? THREE 12 JOHNSON.
LET ME JUST MAKE ONE STATE AGAIN.
I DON'T USE LIVE, RESPOND TO WHEN, UH, THE SEAMS ADULT CHARACTER, THE BEING QUESTIONED, BUT LET ME TELL YOU, IT WAS 78 YEARS, DECEMBER THE EIGHTH YEARS, EVEN BEFORE TOM BECAME MAYOR, I THINK THERE WAS HONESTY AND SAYS, THIS MAN HAS BEEN OVER THE BOARD.
YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHERE IN THE BOOK, IN THE MINUTES ON TV, VIDEO, OR WHATEVER.
AND THIS GENTLEMAN HAS ALWAYS STRESSED THAT WHATEVER THIS BOARD DO, YOU WILL KNOW, YOU WILL SEE, YOU WOULD HEAR YOU WOULD HAVE BOWLS.
THIS MATTER HAS ALWAYS SAID, WHENEVER WE DO SOMETHING IT'S GOING TO BE UPFRONT.
THERE'S NOTHING ON THE NOBODY'S TAKEN.
WHEN SOMETHING HAS BEEN DONE IN THIS CITY WHERE WE HAVE TO VOTE, IT IS PUBLICIZED IN THE NEWSPAPER.
THAT'S HOW WE REACH THE MASSES.
WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO SEND A LETTER TO EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSEHOLD.
AND IT SAID, THAT'S WHY I JUST PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
I DON'T THINK WE ARE DOING ANYTHING BEHIND YOUR BACK.
THERE ARE THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE FIRST BOARD THAT HAVE, THAT HAS CALLED ME MANY TIMES.
I TRIED TO RESPOND WITH THE HELP OF THIS BOWL TO ANY QUESTIONS, ANY PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE.
SO PLEASE DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE APPROVED.
SIX YEARS AGO, I HAD A GENTLEMAN COME TO FLIP HIS BOARD TO SAY WE WERE DRUG USERS.
WE WERE DUMMIES AND EVERYTHING.
AND I GET VERY DEFENSIVE OF IT.
YOU KNOW? I MEAN, TELL ME I'M VOTING WRONG BECAUSE OF A REASON DON'T ACCUSE ME OF DOING SOMETHING.
I DON'T THINK I WANT YOU TO CALL ANY OF YOU CROOKS.
AND I'M NOT HERE TO SEE YOUR CROOKS OR I'M A CROOK OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S ANOTHER POINT AND UNDERSTAND AUTHOR.
YOU CANNOT SEND A LETTER TO EVERYBODY IN THE STAND, BECAUSE I THINK YOU SHOULD USE THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE TO PUT IN, I THINK I WANT TO COMMENT ON THE FIRST PERSON WE CAME HERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
IF YOU HAVE TO COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC SUBJECT, UM, YOU MAY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE DON'T, IF I SEE NUMBERS, WHATEVER IT IS, 15, 15 OUT ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SOMEONE HAS TO CALL ME AND TELL ME THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON.
I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT IT IS EXACTLY, BUT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WORK FOR US.
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IF YOU TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING MOVING IN THE CITY, SOME OF US ARE GOING TO AGREE FOR IT.SOME OF US ARE GOING TO BE AGAINST IT.
WE JUST HAVE TO COMPROMISE AND AGREE, BUT YOUR LANGUAGE MAY NOT BE UNDERSTOOD BY ALL OF US.
SO IF YOU PUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT ANYWHERE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE AT A W MORE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE LIKE ME, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
WHAT YOU'RE TRAINED TO SAY WHATSOEVER.
NOW, THE FACT THAT YOU WERE THIS, THIS IS A SMALL BUSINESS IS NO CURRENT VOTE, WHATEVER.
BUT WHAT I'M ASKING, IF YOU OPEN THE DOOR FOR ONE BUSINESS, ARE YOU GOING TO CLOSE IT FOR THE NEXT ONE? AND I WOULD GO MENTOR MR. PERRON, WHICH I THINK DID SOMETHING VERY GOOD.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BUY MYSELF OUT OF HIM SAYING HE DOESN'T LIKE ME ANYMORE, BUT NOW, BUT WHAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, HE SAID, BEFORE YOU ARE ARGUING, YOU SAY, WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT WE PROMISE THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS AREA AND REVISE WHAT WE HAVE SAID.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE SAID IT ONE WAY, FINDING FREE SAYS SOMETHING ELSE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I WOULD RATHER HEAR THE BOARD SAYING, LET'S SEE, WE MAY HAVE THOUGHT EVERYBODY WOULD DO THAT.
LET'S GO BACK AND REVISE WHAT WE ARE SAY, CAN WE STILL STAND ON THOSE PROMISES OR NOT? WE HAVE TO BREAK SOMETHING HERE.
UH, I'VE BEEN SIX YEARS IN THIS TOWN AND I LIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN I'M I'M, UH, I'M VERY PRIVILEGED.
IT'S PEOPLE ARE POURING MONEY DOWN.
BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, IN SIX YEARS, IT HAS CHANGED A LOT IN NEW BERN AND PEOPLE SOON ARE GOING TO SAY, I'M MOVING OUT OF THE TOWN.
I'M GOING TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRYSIDE BECAUSE IT'S, IF YOU COME FROM 70 OR 17, THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESS THAT, THAT WE ALL KNOW, WE KNOW WE NEED THEM, BUT, AND YOU HAVE A GREAT CHALLENGE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, AN UGLY IMPACT AND VISUAL IMPACT ON THE TOWN.
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE LIVING HERE ALREADY.
AND IF WE CAN KEEP THOSE BUSINESS A LITTLE BIT ON THE YARD SKIRT, I THINK WE'LL BE BETTER OFF.
I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL AFTER.
AND WITHOUT YOU, WE CANNOT HAPPEN.
SO YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY, BUT YOU SAY THIS NAME, YOU SEE THIS NAME, THAT'S THE ONLY NAME YOU WILL FIND IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA LIKE THAT.
YOU SEE THAT THERE IS NO OTHER NAME LIKE THAT IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA.
AND IT'S LISTED IN THE PHONE BOOK.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION, YOU CALL ME, THAT'S FINE.
DON'T EVER ACCUSE ME OF DOING ANYTHING UNDER THE TAPE CHARACTERISTICS.
AND THE FIRST TASK THAT YOU GAVE US.
WHEN YOU CAME UP TO THE MIC, YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T TRUST US, BUT AS A WOMAN, OUR REASSURANCE.
AND SO THAT WAS WHY I TRUST YOU.
THE, YOU CAN PUT US TO THE TASK AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SPEND NOT SIX YEARS, MAYBE QUITE A BIT MORE THAN THE SIX AREAS HERE.
WE'RE PRETTY TRUSTWORTHY FOLKS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SNEAK ANYWAY.
ANYTIME THAT YOU LAY A JOB ON US, LIKE YOU WERE BACK IN, YOU WERE LIKE, THIS WOULD HAVE DONE.
WOULD YOU PLEASE ASK US BECAUSE I HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS DOUBTS ABOUT THE WAY THIS IS WORDED, WHETHER WE COULD ADMINISTER THIS OR NOT.
IT IS IT, THE STANDARDS ARE CLEAR IN A, AND THEY'RE NOT CARRYING B.
NOW, NOW DON'T NEED TO GO INTO ALL THAT BORE ANYBODY, EVEN THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO, OKAY.
BUT WOULD YOU PLEASE ASK US BEFORE YOU LAY ANY MORE JOBS ON US TO LOOK AT IT SO THAT WE CAN SAY, WELL, WE, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T CLEAR TO US OR NOT.
WELL, I'M SURE OUR STAFF COULD GIVE YOU CLARIFICATION.
COULD YOU NOT GET CLARIFICATION FROM OUR STAFF? WELL, THE PROBLEM IS WHAT WE DO.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE APPLYING FAN, WHICH IS NOT, HE'S NOT GOING TO ANSWER WHAT LEGISLATION GENERAL COMMENT.
IF YOU PUT A BURDEN ON YOU, MAKE IT CLEAR PLAYER, ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS MAN IN THE CASE FOR THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT, MOST OF US, WHAT TIME DO WE READ IT ON
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I'M TRYING TO BE EASY TO DO BUSINESS WITH ANYONE.AND
WE JUST CAUGHT IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THERE.
I HAVE A VACANCY ON THE APPEARANCE COMMISSION AND I DON'T HAVE ANY CANDIDATES FOR THAT.
I WAS WONDERING IF THE PEOPLE WHO FOURTH WARD WOULD LIKE TO APPLY FOR THAT POSITION, THAT THEY CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH ME.
AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK WITH THEM ABOUT POSITION ON THE APPEARANCE COMMISSION.
IS THE TRAFFIC PROBATION HAD A FIRST MEETING LAST WEEK.
THERE WAS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPPOSEDLY TO SHOW UP FOR THE INITIAL MEETING.
AND SEVERAL PEOPLE CALLED ME AND ASKED ME, MAYBE WE APPOINTED A FEW MORE PEOPLE TO TRY TO GET THIS THING.
WELL, I GOT THREE NAMES IN FRONT OF ME AND I WANT HER TO NOMINATE THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, TED
HE CALLED VERY INTERESTED, WORKED WITH OFFICER WAYNE.
I'D LIKE TO GET HIM AND NOMINATE HIM FOR APPOINTMENT.
GOT A CORRELATION TO TAKE THAT.
MR. MADDEN, I ATE AT BERKELEY.
UH, AND THE NEXT SAME CRAFTED IS MS. SUSAN BOB HERE SHE IS A HORSESHOE ROAD.
HER HUSBAND IS JUST HAPPENED TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, BUT SHE'D BEEN VERY GIVE US ANOTHER VIEWPOINT ON THAT.
I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE HER TO HOW WONDERFUL THIS MAN CAME TO ME TODAY.
HE HAD A GENTLEMEN, I'LL TELL YOU THIS.
UH, MR. BUD AND HE CONTACTED MR.
HE WASN'T SURE WHETHER HE COULD APPOINT SOMEBODY.
I BELIEVE HE LIVES IN GREENLAND.
SO I'VE GOT HIS NAME AND EVERYTHING.
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I'D LIKE TO JUST STATE THAT LIKE LOT AT THE END WASHINGTON STREET TO BE KIDDING ME.THEY KEEP CALLING ME ABOUT THAT AND KEEP CALLING ME ABOUT THAT NIGHT.
I THINK THEY KEEP CALLING ME AND WE HAVE, WE GOT ANY
WE HAVE DISTRIBUTED A COPY TO EACH OF YOU.
AND, UH, I'LL ASK MY PROJECT PODIUM EXPLAINING THIS THING IN MORE DETAIL TO YOU SO THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER IT DENIED.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATENESS OF BRINGING THIS BEFORE THE BOARD, BUT, UH, WE JUST RECEIVED IT TODAY, OURSELVES.
IT'S FROM PRESERVATION, NORTH CAROLINA, AND IT'S CONCERNING TO BILL'S HOUSE, BILL 44 AND SENATE BILL 3 23, UH, THAT ARE BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE DEALING WITH NORTH CAROLINA INCOME TAX CREDITS FOR THE REHABILITATION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
CURRENTLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OFFERS A 20% TAX CREDIT FOR INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES.
THE REHAB OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT ARE FOR RENTAL PURPOSES, WHAT THE NORTH CAROLINA LAW PROPOSES TO DO IS TO PROVIDE A NORTH CAROLINA TAX CREDIT OF 20% ALSO ON INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES, WHICH WOULD RAISE THE TOTAL TAX CREDIT TO 40% OVERALL WITH FEDERAL AND STATE, AND ALSO A 30% TAX CREDIT FOR OWNER OCCUPIED REHABILITATIONS OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
WE FEEL THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR NEWBURN, UH, HAVING ONE OF THE FINEST HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN HERE WAYNESBURG AND CHARLESTON, UH, THAT SOMETHING, UH, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO, TO HELP, UH, ENTICE PEOPLE OR ENCOURAGE THEM TO REHABILITATE THESE STRUCTURES IS A PLUS FOR THE CITY.
SO WE HAVE, UH, PUT TOGETHER A BRIEF MEMO.
I MEAN, A RESOLUTION, UH, FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION TO ENCOURAGE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO FAVORABLY CONSIDER, UH, THESE TWO BILLS THAT WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TAX CREDITS THAT WOULD HELP IN THE REHAB OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, MOTION FOR THE RESOLUTION.
HE WAS JUST SITTING, WAITING, GOING TO MAKE UP FOR THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS MET ON NIGHT
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OH, YES.AND AS I WAS LOOKING INTO THIS, WE HAD A RESIDENT OF THE AREA WHO WAS BORN ME WITH A PROPERTY.
UH, HE INDICATED THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE DEAN OF OUR RESEARCH, IT AND DETERMINED THAT INDEED THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE DATE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS, UH, TALK TO MR. HARRISON AND, UH, LET ME JUST, I'LL JUST SHOW YOU THE SITE MORE, BE RIGHT UP HERE.
AND IT'S BEING RELOCATED DOWN INTO THIS AREA, WHICH IS NOT A PART OF THE, PART OF THE REGULAR PROPERTY OF WALTON CREEK.
SO THIS WILL BE THE AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THE CONTRACT ON AS LONG AS THE BOARD SAYS, OKAY.
IS THERE ANY CLEARING NEEDED TO BE DONE THERE CLEARING OR IS THAT OPEN SPACE? NOW? I MOVE, WE MAKE THE CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HE'S GOING TO THROW THE BOAT OUT THERE WITH A WATERS, TWO INCHES DEEP, AND THE AUDIENCE