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WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND WE'LL HAVE A PRAYER BY REVEREND FREEMAN WHITE AND THE UNITED MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
LET US PRAY OUR FATHER, GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.
WE THANK YOU FOR THESE EOP LORD.
AS WE COME NOW TO FELLOWSHIP ONE WITH THE OTHER, WE PRAY GOD THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THE WORDS OF OUR MOUTH AND THE MEDITATION ABOUT HALLS TO BE ACCEPTABLE.
IN OUR SIDE, IN JESUS NAME, WE ASKED HIM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND REPUBLIC ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPENING PRAYER.
IF I HAD A VOICE LIKE THAT, I SAID THIS IN FRONT OF MY WIFE WANTS, I SAID, IF I HAD A VOICE LIKE THAT, I NEVER STOPPED TALKING.
SHE SAID, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE A VOICE LIKE THAT.
AND THAT YOU HADN'T HEARD YOU.
SO, UH, I GUESS I NEVER DID STOP.
UM, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
NUMBER THREE IS THEN STRUCK, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO NUMBER FOUR ON THE SEWER UPDATE FROM THE CITY ENGINEER.
THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED A TOTAL OF 87 MILLION GALLONS OF WASTEWATER LAST MONTH.
UH, THE AVERAGE WAS 2.9 MILLION GALLONS A DAY WITH A MAXIMUM, UH, DAILY, UH, FLOW OF 4.2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
OUR SUSPENDED SOLIDS EFFICIENCY WAS 90%.
WE AVERAGED 24.2 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER OF VOD DISCHARGED TO THE RIVER 23.7 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER OF SUSPENDED SOLIDS.
UH, THAT'S UNDER OUR 30, 30 LIMIT.
AND WITHIN OUR 85% EFFICIENCY, EVERYTHING AT THE PLANT IS WITHIN COMPLIANCE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, NOT ABOUT THAT, BUT I HAD HAD SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED TO ME ABOUT THE SMELL FROM APRIL.
AND I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T USUALLY GET COMPLAINTS ABOUT SMELL AND THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT WHEN THINGS ARE NOT RIGHT, IS WHEN IT STARTS SMELLING LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT'S UP? WELL, GENERALLY THERE, THERE, THERE IS A SMELL AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THIS PUNGENT TO MOST PEOPLE THAT DO NOT WORK AROUND IT, UH, AT ALL TIMES, UH, A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE SMELL WHEN WE GET COMPLAINTS IS WHEN THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE IN WIND DIRECTION THAT BLOWS IT ACROSS NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT IT MAY NOT BE FILTERED THROUGH TREES OR MAY BE BLOWING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN IT NORMALLY DOES.
AND THEY MAY NEVER HAVE ANYTHING BLOWN FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THAT COULD BE THE, THE, THE REASON FOR IT THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY UNUSUAL SMELLS AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
IT'S IT'S BEEN PLUGGING ALONG AND DOING REAL WELL FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WELL, THE CONCERN CAME FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVED VERY CLOSE.
AND, UH, I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT, THAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED TO ME THAT MR. HARTMAN IS PLAYING.
BUT, UH, SO I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO HER THAT MAYBE THERE WAS A ONE TIME KIND OF THING.
IS IT OFTEN THAT THE WIND BLOW THAT WAY CAUSES SITCOM? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT PROBABLY WOULD BE A GREAT SUGGESTION IS TO, UM, HAVE THIS PERSON CONTACT JUDY, MY STORE BITCH AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND JUST COME OUT AND TAKE A QUICK TOUR, UH, AND LET HER FIND OUT WHAT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT DOES AND WHAT IT SMELLS LIKE ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO THAT I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE LADY CALLED ME IS QUITE
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AWARE OF YOUR DAILY OPERATIONS AND QUITE AWARE OF WHAT IT'S LIKE BEING.SHE'D BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS LIVING VERY CLOSE TO YOU.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THAT I'VE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE SMELL, ONE WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WAS SMELLS MOST OF THE TIME, BUT YOU SEE TO DO SUCH A FINE JOB THAT I SELDOM GET ANY CONCERNS ABOUT SMELL.
AND I WAS WONDERING MYSELF, IF YOU, MAYBE YOU ARE GETTING THEM AND I'M NOT, WELL, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY COMPLAINTS WHATSOEVER.
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS MY FIRST KNOWLEDGE OF IT.
AND WHEN, WHEN WAS THIS EXACTLY, WAS IT ONE DAY OR SEVERAL? I TOLD HER THAT IT PROBABLY MAY BE ONCE A YEAR KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, SHE SEEMED TO FEEL SHE'D BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
SO SHE'S AWARE THAT, UM, SOMETIMES MAYBE MAKE BILL THAT WAY, BUT SHE SEEMED TO FEEL THAT IN APRIL A MONTH OF AN ENTIRE MONTH OF APRIL, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN, SHE WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT GOING ON OVER THERE.
IT CAUSED IT TO SMELL MORE THAN USUAL.
I THINK IT WAS SATURDAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I'M ON TRENT RIVER AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS AT ALL MY SMELL OF LOCKUP.
I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A DECAY IN MAR SMELL OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY, REALLY LIKE A METHANE IN IT OR WHATEVER, BUT IT WAS ONLY FOR THAT MORNING AND THEN IT WAS GONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, HAVE ANY IDEA WHETHER THAT WAS CONNECTED OR WE'LL ASK THE SAME THING THEY MALE OR WHAT IT IS, BUT I HAVEN'T SMELLED IT BEFORE OR SINCE.
AND WHEN THE HAY FEVER I HAD, I WAS LUCKY TO SMELL ANYTHING, BUT, UH, IT DEFINITELY MISS TO ME, SMELL LIKE A MARSHY CADE SMELL OR SOMETHING MS. LEE, ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD THINK OF THAT COULD, THAT WOULD POSSIBLY CREATE AN ODOR THAT WE DID IN APRIL.
THAT WOULD BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL, BUT I STILL WOULDN'T PUT MUCH CREDENCE TO THIS EXPLANATION IS THAT, UH, I KNOW WE DID USE OUR DRYING BEDS, UH, ONCE DURING THE MONTH OF APRIL, THAT WE, THAT WE DISCHARGED SOME SLUDGE INTO THE DRY BEDS, BUT THAT'S USUALLY IN OUR MATERIAL, DOESN'T HAVE A VERY PUNGENT ODOR TO IT.
I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE AND, AND NOTICED THAT.
AND THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE I WALKED.
I WALKED BY THE DRYING BEDS TO CHECK THOSE OUT BECAUSE THAT'S, UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S OPEN THAT THAT'S AN OPEN LOCATION, UH, WITHDRAWING SLUDGE IN IT, AND IT CAN'T PRODUCE AN ODOR, BUT I HAVEN'T NOTICED ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHY DON'T WE GET THAT PERSON TO CALL YOU OR CALL ME OR SOMEBODY? AND THEY WILL CALL DAVID RIGHT? WHEN HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE SMELLING THEM, HE DIDN'T CALL ME OR CALL ME WHICHEVER THEY WANT TO DO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
NEXT THING WE HAVE AS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REZONING, A ONE BLOCK AREA, SOUTH OF HARTFORD AVENUE, BETWEEN CAROLINA AND SIMPSON STREETS FROM OUR 10 RESIDENTIAL TO OUR SIX RESIDENTIAL.
AND YOU POINTED EACH ELLIE, WHY DON'T GET UP.
MAY I BET IT'S MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU A REZONING REQUEST BY MICHAEL DAVIS TO REZONE THE SUBJECT AREA FROM OUR 10 RESIDENTIAL TO OUR SIX RESIDENTIAL, A BRIEF NOTE ON THE HISTORY OF THE AREA, THE AREA WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED R SIX IN THE EARLY 1970S, WHEN PROMO BECAME A PART OF THE CITY'S ETJ FROM A COMMUNITY WAS THE NEXT BY THE CITY IN 1991 AND EXPERIENCED NEW GROWTH RESULTING FROM THE PROVISIONS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER, SEWER, AND STREET IMPROVEMENTS IN 1994 AT A RATE AT THE REQUEST OF SEVERAL RESIDENTS, ULTIMATELY RAINER PETITION THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO REZONE THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO LIMIT THE INFLUX OF MOBILE HOMES INTO THE AREA.
CONSEQUENTLY, THE BOARD DID REZONE SEVERAL OUTLYING AREAS OF THE PREMIERE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE SUBJECT AREA FROM OUR SIX TO OUR 10, WHICH DOES NOT PERMIT MOBILE HOMES.
UH, THE AREA NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.5 ACRES.
IT'S A ONE BLOCK AREA LOCATED AT THE VERY END OF CAROLINA AND, UH, STEM SOME STREETS AND A SCENARIO, BASICALLY, UH, UNDEVELOPED EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE OF MOBILE HOMES.
AND, UM, IT ISN'T AN AREA THAT DOES HAVE SOME MOBILE HOMES AND SITE BUILT HOMES.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD ON MAY 12TH DID REVIEW THE APPLICATION.
WE HAD, UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ADVOCATE.
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BEHALF OF THE APPLICATION.WE ALSO HAD ONE RESIDENT OF THE AREA WHO OPPOSE THE REZONING AND, UH, THIS PERSON, MR.
HE DID NOT WANT ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AFTER HOLDING THE PUBLIC HEARING DID UNANIMOUSLY VOTE TO APPROVE THE REZONING.
UH, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I ENTERTAINED THEM ABOUT THAT WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO YOU TO SPEAK WITH OTHERS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS COME ON ONCE PEOPLE CAME BEFORE US ONCE BEFORE? NO, NOT THIS PARTICULAR REZONING.
IS, DOES ANYBODY HERE OPPOSED TO IT? YEAH.
I HAD TO COME FORWARD AND TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND GIVE US YOUR POSITION.
DEAN MUNDANE, JIMMY SCALLIONS, AND A MONTH EMPLOYEE PRE-WORKOUT SCHOOL SYSTEM, RIGHT.
AND NEW BRO, 23 LEVEL STEPS AND STREET NEW BRO.
UM, I'LL POST, LIKE I SAID, I'M PLANNING TO BUILD ON MY LOT SOONER AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TROLLS AND BRING DOWN THE FAILURE OF THE PROPER, WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW, CHARLES IN THE AREA AND FOR RIGHT UNDER HIS PROPERTY IS RIGHT UNDER THE DON'T WANT TO BE UNDER THE DESK.
UM, AND MOSTLY THIS IT, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, LITTLE RIGHT DOWN HERE.
THAT'S WHY I SAY YOUR PROPERTY IS RIGHT NEXT TO A PROPERTY.
THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE REZONED IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
THIS IS ALREADY, THIS IS ALREADY DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, SIR? MR. SCOTT? UH, IT JUST MAKES IT RIGHT THERE.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR CONCERN WOULD BE, MIGHT LOWER YOUR PROPERTY VALUE.
YOU'RE SAYING, YEAH, AND I DIDN'T WANT MY DESK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT THIS ON THE WAY TO BOOK.
IF THIS CALLS HIM, WILL THESE MOBILE HOMES BE CLOSER TO HIM THAN A HOUSE WOULD BE WHEN YOU SAY RIGHT UNDER HIM WITH THIS CHANGE IN ZONING, ALLOWING TO BE CLOSER, A LOT SMALLER THAN WHATEVER IS IT, THIS IS LOT BEING PROPOSED FOR ONE MOBILE HOME OR SOME OVER HOME.
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MR. GEORGE, THIS CARRIER ON THE MAP HAS THE BOLD LINE BLOCKED BARRIER ORIGINALLY IN CHANGING.WAS THAT BY REQUEST? WAS THAT JUST BY SO PEOPLE CAN COME ALL THROUGH ME, UPGRADE ZONING AND WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I HAD, I WANT TO HELP THIS GENTLEMAN BECAUSE HE'S GONE THROUGH A LOT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW? UM, THE, UM, THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO PREVENT THE DEFINITION OF THE VALUE OF THE SURROUNDING LAND AND, AND I CAN RESPECT HIS POSITION AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, UM, I HATE TO VOTE IT DOWN, BUT I HATE TO APPROVE IT.
KNOWING THAT THIS GENTLEMEN IS CONCERNED ABOUT HIS BAG.
MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE TABLED AND SOMETHING CAN BE WORKED OUT IN THE LONG RUN.
DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE YOUR LOCK? WHAT WAS IT ZONED WHEN YOU BOUGHT YOUR OH, OUR SIX OR A 10? UM, NOT FOR SURE, BUT THIS LOT IS A LOT ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
I ALREADY AREN'T SEX, WHICH IS WHAT THEY GONNA SWITCH IT BACK TO THIS LOT IS BEING PROPOSED WAS OUR SIX WEEK BEFORE.
AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE CHANGES WHEN WE CHANGED TO 10, THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION AT THAT TIME.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF INDEED IT WOULD DIMINISH YOU A LOT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD OR NOT, BUT LET'S JUST SAY IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE WHATEVER YOU GAINED WHEN IT WAS ZONED, UPWARD WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD LOSE NOW WHEN IT WAS IN NOW ONE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING YOU LOST.
YOU LOST, YOU INCURRED AFTER YOU HIT BOUGHT IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO WEIGH ALL THESE FACTORS AND MAKE SURE WE DO THE RIGHT THING.
WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO HURT YOU, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, AND ANY HURT THAT YOU MAY INCUR IS, IS, WOULD BE A REAL ONE AND NOT UNITED THAT THINKING.
BERNARD, WHAT, UH, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND HIS CONCERNS? I MEAN, COULD YOU ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS ARE SO THAT WE CAN FIND OUT WHETHER THAT'S COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, IT IS FEAR AS A REAL OR I GUESS, UH, I'M NOT ROBERT RAINER RAINER THERE.
UH, THERE IS, UH, TWO OPPOSING SIDES HERE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE IS THAT HIS LIGHTS, UH, MR. SCANIAS LIGHTS OUT AT THE VERY END OF THE STREET AND, UH, THEY'RE ADJACENT TO, UH, AN UNDEVELOPED AREA SO THAT IF MOBILE HOMES WERE TO BE LOCATED THERE THAT'D BE NO MORE THAN ONE OTHER BE ADJACENT TO HIS PROPERTY.
SINCE ON THE BACKSIDE ALONG STIMPSON STREET, THERE'S ALREADY A MOBILE HOME HAS BEEN ONE DEATH FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, DEREK HAS BEEN, UH, TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT CONCERNING MOBILE HOMES AND THEIR EFFECT ON PROPERTY VALUES.
ONE, HIS DAD, UH, MOBILE HOMES, UH, DO NOT DEPRECIATE AS GREATLY AS PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT A LOT WITH A HOME ON IT, IF IT IS, UH, MAINTAINED IS WORTH MUCH MORE THAN AN UNDEVELOPED LINE.
UH, ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT THERE IS A PERCEIVED,
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UH, A PERCEPTION THAT MOBILE HOMES DO DEVALUE PROPERTY.AND, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF, ESPECIALLY MYSELF AS A PERSON WHO ISSUES MOBILE HOME PERMITS IN THE CITY IS THAT, UH, PROMO KIDS, BASICALLY A COMMUNITY OF HOMEOWNERS, THE MOBILE HOMES THAT GO IN THAT AREA, UH, QUALITY WISE OUT OF BETTER GOING IN ANY AREA IN THE CITY.
UM, THIS AREA BEING ADJACENT TO AN UNDEVELOPED AREA, WHICH IS OUR TENANTS, A LARGE WOODED AREA OWNED BY A COUPLE OF PROMINENT PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT WILL PROBABLY BE DEVELOPED FOR SUBDIVISIONS.
SO HE DOES HAVE, UH, THAT ONE CONSTELLATION THAT THAT AREA WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, HE'S PRETTY MUCH ISOLATED FROM THE OTHER MOBILE HOMES IN THAT AREA.
UH, BEING THAT HE'S LOCATED DOWN ON THE VERY SOUTHERN END OF CAROLINA AND STEPSON STREETS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SHEDDING LIGHT ON THE SITUATION, BUT, UH, WE DO FEEL THAT AND DISCUSSING THE SITUATION WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND DOING RESEARCH THAT, UH, THIS AREA, SINCE IT'S LOCATED IN SUCH A ISOLATED LOCATION AT A VERY DEAD END OF THE STREETS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE VERY LITTLE EFFECT ON THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE PREMIER COMMUNITY.
WELL, YOU MAY MENTION THE FACT THAT A MOBILE HOME WELL WITH THAT DEPRECIATE, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD NOT BE APPRECIATE WHAT ABOUT MORE THAN ONE TRAILERS LIKE A PARK? NO, CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BIG ENOUGH TO PUT A LOT ON MOBILE HOME PARK.
IF A MOBILE HOME PARK WAS PUT THERE BESIDE MR. SCOTT PROPERTY WOULD AFFECT HIS PROPERTY VALUES OR WOULD IT AFFECT EVEN THE
UH, NOW THE MOBILE HOMES CAN GO ON SINGLE LOTS IN THIS AREA.
AND THERE ARE, AS I STATED, ABOUT 11 SINGLE LIVES AND SOME OF THEM ALREADY HAVE MOBILE HOMES AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT ASSESSABLE BY, BY STREET, IN THE CRIMINAL COMMUNITY.
ALSO, THERE IS A MOBILE HOME PARK RIGHT OFF OF COUNTRY CLUB ROAD, RIGHT ON COUNTRY CLUB ROAD.
AND, UH, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA ADJACENT TO THAT MOBILE HOME PARK, YOU HAVE A VERY WIDE RANGE OF HOMES THAT, UH, SOME ARE PROBABLY VALUED IN THE UPPER EIGHTIES AND 99,000 AND SOME ARE LESS PART WAS GRANDFATHERED IN.
IN FACT, HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD A PARK OR FITNESS
I WOULD THINK, UM, IF THEY WERE ALL SIX TRAILERS PLACED ON THERE AND NOT WELL KEPT, UH, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD DEPRECIATE HIS PROPERTY, BUT THE PROPERTY WOULD PROBABLY NOT APPRECIATE AS, AS SWIFTLY AS IT WAS IF, AS IT WOULD HAVE.
THEN AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MARKET AND, UH, AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE MARKET WILL BE TURNED AWAY BY THE FACT THAT A MOBILE HOME THERE ARE, IS THERE A GREAT ENOUGH MARKET FOR THAT PROPERTY TO, UH, TO REALLY TURN AWAY POTENTIAL BIAS? YES.
THEY'RE ALREADY SEEN SOME MILD HOMELESS PROTECTION IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
IF THE ZONING WAS NOT CHANGED, DO YOU FORESEE HOUSES BEING BUILT ON HIS LINES? WHAT WOULD THEY NOT BUILD? BECAUSE THE MOBILE HOMES ALREADY THERE? NO, I DON'T.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOUSING BEING BUILT AS READILY AS MOBILE HOMES SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE PRICE OF MOBILE HOMES.
I MEAN THE PRICE OF MOBILE HOMES AND THE PRICE OF SITE BUILD HOMELESS.
EVERY SITE, THE HOME AND NEWBURN NOW LOW END IS PROBABLY ABOUT $80,000, 75 TO $80,000.
AND THAT PRICES QUITE A FEW PEOPLE OUT, ESPECIALLY FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS, UH, WHO WOULD BE LOOKING IN THIS AREA FOR A HOME, UM, IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, I
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ISSUE AT LEAST, UM, I'D SAY FIVE TO EIGHT MOBILE HOME PERMITS A MONTH.AND, UM, IN THE, IN THE CRIMINAL COMMUNITY, PROBABLY, UH, TWO TO THREE OF THEM, UH, AND, UH, WE'VE NOT HAD A NEW HOME BUILD IN THE PREMIERE COMMUNITY.
I'M AWARE OF IN A LEAST PROVIDENCE PAST YEAR TO TWO YEARS.
SO, UH, THERE IS A MARKET, UM, AND THE MARKET HAS NOT BEEN A GREAT FOR, UH, SITE BUILT MOBILE HOMES IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT MARKET, AS I'VE STATED IN MY ANALYSIS HAS REALLY GROWN BECAUSE OF THE PROVISION WATER AND SEWER, WHICH OPENS UP A LOT OF THE LOTS WHERE PREVIOUSLY THEY HAD TO HAVE, UH, PRIVATE SEWER SYSTEMS PROVISION OF PUBLIC SEWER SYSTEMS, THE A LOT SO MUCH EASIER, MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP.
HOW LONG HAS IT, GENTLEMEN, THAT I REQUESTED THE CHANGE IN ZONING ON THAT PROPERTY? I'M NOT AWARE OF MR. DAVIS.
UH, WHAT WAS IT WHEN HE BOUGHT OUR SEX OR OUR TEAM AT TEENS? 10 ARE YOU GENTLEMAN THIS REQUESTED? OKAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND TELL US WHY YOU REQUESTED IT SO WE CAN HEAR MY NAME IS SAM DAVIS.
I LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION OF PEMBROKE, THESE LOTS, THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PURCHASE, THESE LIGHTS WITH MY SON, 94, A YOUNG MAN THAT WANTS TO GET HIS FAMILY OUT OF NEW YORK.
UM, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH TODAY, PEOPLE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHEN THEY COULD BE OUT DOING OTHER THINGS, RATHER THAN TRYING TO FIND THEM A HOME.
AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT THESE YOUNG PEOPLE, I HAVE A RANK TO USE THEIR LAND OR WHATEVER THEY PURCHASED IT FOR.
MY SON'S DESIRE WAS WE WANTED A MOBILE HOME.
SO WHEN I BOUGHT IT AND I GAVE IT TO HIM, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO.
AND AS I TOLD HIS BODY BEFORE, I WOULD RATHER SEE A BRAND NEW MOBILE HOMEOWNER LEFT AND TO SEE A LOT THAT EVERYBODY'S DUMPING IT.
FABRIC IS A GROWING COMMUNITY AS BECOMING A NICE LOOKING AREA OUT THERE.
AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO LET THESE PLACES GROW UP AND PEOPLE DUMP DOWN, WELL, THEN THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BRING YOUR PROPERTY DOWN.
AND, UH, MR.
SO HE CAN'T BE TOO WORRIED ABOUT SOMEBODY BEING NEXT TO IT AND PROPOSING TO PUT A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING THERE.
THIS IS APPROVED IN MY SON, PUT A DOUBLE-WIDE TRAILER THAT THAT'S THE ONE, THE TRAILER WILL BE NEXT.
SCOTT, A DOUBLE-WIDE AND ASKED TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ON A PERMANENT FOUNDATION, A BRAND NEW MOBILE HOME BRICK, AND A, OR WHATEVER ELSE GOES ALONG WITH, UH, I CAN'T SEE WHERE THAT'S GONNA, UM, AREA IN ANY WAY, EITHER HARM HIM.
AND IF HE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO NEAR HERE, PUT NO FENCE DOWN THROUGH THERE SO NOBODY CAN SEE OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY QUESTIONS? NUMBER WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY HI, EXCUSE ME.
MY NAME IS TONY GERMAN AND I BOUGHT, I PURCHASED A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE SUBURB,
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CRANBROOK SUBDIVISION.IT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF HARTFORD.
ASHLEY'S WERE HARD FOR SNARK AND IT'S, IT'S 50 BY A HUNDRED LOTS.
AND THIS ZONE AS AN R 10, IT SITS RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S TOO SMALL TO BUILD A HOME ON BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS.
YOU KNOW, IF I WERE TO BUILD A HOUSE USING THOSE SETBACKS THAT WERE ON MY OWN, THAT I GOT FROM THE PLANNING, IT WOULD LOOK JUST LIKE A MOBILE HOME.
IT WILL BE 14 FOOT WIDE, 60 FOOT LONG.
AND YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE THAT'S TOO SMALL.
OR IF I TRIED TO BUILD ONE ANY BIGGER Y'ALL WOULD NOT ALLOWED.
THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
EVEN THE LOT IN THE AREA THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED.
WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN CAROLINA, AS SOON AS YOU SEE THAT STREET HARTFORD, IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE CAPER STREETS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PAVED OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE, A LITTLE PATH THERE WITH TILES AND TREES AND REFRIGERATORS AND STUFF.
I THOUGHT THAT MR. DAVIS OWNED THIS ENTIRE BLOCK, UH HE'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, SO THERE'S A LOT THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU HAVE RATHER IS NOT, UH, PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED TONIGHT.
IT'S WITHIN THAT ONE BLOCK AREA.
UM, MR. DAVIS IS ON ONE SIDE OF THAT TRAILER.
I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU SIGNED A PETITION.
EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS DID SIGN A PETITION EXCEPT MR. SCOTT.
EVERYTHING IN QUESTION, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME IS, IS IT WHETHER IT REDUCED THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY? AND IF THE, IF THE DOUBLE WIDE IS PUT IN AS NICE AS HE SAYS IT IS, I DOUBT THAT IT WOULD REDUCE IT.
IT WAS A GLITCH THERE'S LIKE A HOUSE DOUBLE WIDE WITH A FOUNDATION AND WRITTEN ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO BRAND NEW MOBILE HOME BUT IT'S GONE HERE.
IS YOUR OPPOSITION STRONG OR IS STRONG? CAN YOU THEN WELL, WE JUST HAVEN'T CONSIDERED ALL THAT.
AND THE GREAT WISDOM OF THIS BOARD NOW YOU'RE SMILING.
I SAID, NO, IT'S NOT EASY JOB.
WE'D LIKE TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY IF WE COULD.
AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY FOR IT OR AGAINST IT BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR GREAT DELIBERATION, I WANT TO RENEW MY MOTION TO A CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY, ALL RIGHT.
ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING IT, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
MA'AM REMEMBER THE, THE BOARD.
UM, I REALLY WANT TO GRANT MR. DAVIS, UH, REQUESTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE RIGHTS WITH THE STATUS QUO BASICALLY HAS A LITTLE MORE AUTHORITY WHEN YOU START TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS.
AND RATHER THAN TO TURN THEM DOWN, I THINK IT MIGHT BE BEST TO JUST TABLE THIS AS MODEL FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS, MAYBE THE PARTIES CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER THAT WOULD CHANGE YOUR HEART RATHER THAN TURN THEM DOWN.
AND THEN HE MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK AND PAY ANOTHER $200 TO APPLY.
BUT, UH, MRS. SCANIAS HAD SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS BECAUSE THE PROPERTIES ARE 10 NOW.
AND YOU HAVE TO, YOU CAN'T, YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE MINORITY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HE HAS, HE OWNED HIS LAND.
HE HE'S ON HIS LAND LONGER THAN THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND, UH, HE HAS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
I JUST HATE TO, UH, TO HAVE NOT LISTENED TO HIM, YOU KNOW, MR. DAVIS DESERVED TO HAVE IT DONE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
NOT JUST LIKE THE MOOD THAT WE TABLED FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS AND MAKE MR. SKY AS MR. DAVIS CAN GET TOGETHER AND WORK OUT SOMETHING.
MAYBE THEY CAN BUY EACH OTHER OUT.
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UH, WHAT OKAY.LET ME, LET ME ASK MR. GEORGE, UH, STATEMENT MADE THAT THE REST OF THOSE LOTS WILL BE VIRTUALLY USELESS IF IT'S NOT CHANGED IN ZION AND BACK TO WHERE THEY CAN USE MOBILE HOMES.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? THE LOTS OF OTHERWISE SO SMALL THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY MOBILE HOME.
LOTS THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE IS THAT NO
HOW ABOUT TWO WEEKS? JUST THE NEXT MEETING, MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT.
WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS DRAFTED.
WE'VE GOT A MOTION NOW, DO YOU MEAN IT'S UP TO THE MOTION? IS THAT A CIRCULAR MOTION? NO, BECAUSE HE HAS DIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, MAKING THE CHANGE THAT WAY.
WE'LL SEE WHICH WAY THE BOARD WANTS TO JUMP.
WELL, I'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT CONFUSED IT.
MAYBE I MISSED IT WHEN I WENT OUT.
BUT MR. JOEL, THE PROPERTY THAT THE SEPARATE COUPLE WHEN THEY CAME UP, IS THAT PROPERTY PART OF THE REZONING UNDER REPAIR? I HAVE HERE ON MY MATH.
SO THERE, PROBABLY AS PART OF THAT, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE THINKING OF THE ZONING BOARD WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS APPROVED THIS? I MAY WANT SOME OF THEIR ARGUMENTS IN THE POSITIVE, UM, RESULTED IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
BASICALLY THE SAME ARE MISSING.
I THINK THEY WERE A LITTLE MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE, THE PLIGHT OF THE, UH, MOBILE HOME OWNERS AND THE FACT THAT THE SITE WAS LOCATED IN AN ISOLATED AREA, THAT'S BASICALLY UNDEVELOPED AND THAT HAS SOME MOBILE HOMES IN THE AREA ALREADY.
SO THEY FELT THAT ADDITIONAL MOBILE HOME WOULDN'T HURT WOULD NOT BE OUT OF CHARACTER.
AND IT IS TRUE THAT EVERYBODY INVOLVED SIGN THIS PETITION EXCEPT FOR ONE, ONE, MAN.
UH, EVERYBODY LOCALLY DID SIGN.
HE DID HAVE SOME PROBLEMS. MR. DAVIS TOLD ME THAT HE HAD PROBLEMS WITH CONTACTING ME OF TOWN, PROPERTY OWNERS.
BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED.
UH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTED THERE, LIVE IN THE BLOCK AND, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF NOBODY BUILDS ON THE LAWN AND THEY REMAIN IN THE SHAPE THAT THEY'RE IN NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SHAPE IS OR THEY HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
I GUESS THE ZONING BOARD SAID DEVELOPED A LOT WITH THE NICE MOBILE HOME ON IT WOULD ADD MORE TO HIS PROPERTY THAN AN UNDEVELOPED SITUATION SUCH AS IT IS NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE THERE WAS A FEELING THAT, UH, THAT PROPERTY VALUE WOULD NOT DEPRECIATE SUBSTANTIALLY.
WHAT SIZE WHEN YOU PLANNING TO BAIL MISCONDUCT, SQUARE FOOTAGE.
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A DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME, WOULD IT BE LARGER, SMALLER ABOUT THE SAME? IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD THE, WOULD THE DEPRECIATION OF YOUR PROPERTY, BUT MAINLY YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE DEPRECIATION OF THE PROPERTY IS BECAUSE OF WHAT BERNARD ALLUDED TO.AND THAT IS THAT THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER MOBILE HOMES IN GENERAL DEPRECIATE PROPERTY OR WHETHER THEY DON'T.
I MEAN, PEOPLE DEBATE IT BY THE WAY, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, FOR AN EXAMPLE, IN MOBILE HOME PARKS, THAT DON'T LOOK VERY WELL.
I'VE BEEN IN MOBILE HOME PARKS.
I'VE SEEN SOME IN FLORIDA, THEY LOOKED AS NICE AS ANY AND THE HOUSING PARKS, SO TO SPEAK THAT YOU MIGHT SAY DEPENDS ON HOW THEY'RE ALL DONE AND PUT TOGETHER AND SO FORTH, I THINK, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THESE ARE OR WHATEVER.
SO I DON'T REALLY CAN'T ASK HER THAT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO WAIT YOUR CONCERN FOR A LOSS, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE REAL.
ONLY TIME CAN TELL THAT VERSUS THEIR POTENTIAL REAL FLOSS.
I ASSUME, MR. SCOTT IS, WHAT DO YOU LIVE NOW? DO YOU LIVE IN THE HOUSEHOLD? TRILL? HI, CLOSE IS THE CLOSEST MOBILE HOME TO YOU NOW TO WHERE YOU ACTUALLY LIVE AND THAT'S YOUR MOTHER'S.
YEAH, SO SHE WAS PROBABLY LAND BEFORE THE MOBILE HOMES MOVED IN.
I SAID SHE WAS PROBABLY LIVING LAYERS OUT OF HOUSE.
SHE'S BEEN LIVING IN FOR SOME TIME.
AND THAT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE THE MOBILE HOMES MOVING IN.
HOW DOES SHE FEEL ABOUT THE MOBILE HOMES MOVING IN THERE? OKAY.
WE'VE HAD A MOTION ONE WAY AND NOTHING HAPPENED.
WE HAD A MOTION THE OTHER WAY AND NOTHING HAPPENED
UM, WE OWN THE LIE THAT HE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH.
SHE GAVE ME 60 DAYS TO DO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? GET EVERYTHING SITUATED
SO YOU WENT TO THE COUNTY TAX OFFICE, IS THAT CORRECT? THE COUNTY MAP.
IF YOU WENT TO A TAX OFFICE, NIXON REGISTERED DEEDS OFFICE, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT THE MISINFORMATION DID THE CITY GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO PUT YOUR TRAILER ON THAT LOT? INSTEAD OF DOING A REGULAR TELL YOU THAT HE, THAT THAT WAS ZONED FOR A TRAILER DID THAT IT WAS THE COUNTY FOLK THAT TOLD YOU THAT THE COUNTY FOLKS TOLD YOU IT WAS ZONED FOR, UM, BASED ON THE MAP OF THE COUPLE HERE, UH, IT SHOWED MORE AND CAROLINE, AND BASED ON THAT, WE SAID, YES, YOU CAN PUT A MOBILE HOME THERE, BUT THE MAC THAT THEY HAD GOT
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FROM THE COUNTY, THE, UH, AN EMPLOYEE, THE CAMERON HAD LABELED THE MAP, INCORRECT WORD, SOUTHERN.WHEN WE LOOKED DOWN AND SAW THE INTERSECTION MORE IN CAROLINA WAS INSURANCE ON NORTH SIXTH, BUT THAT WASN'T THE LOCATION.
THE MAP HAD BEEN, UH, IMPROPERLY LIGHT.
I MEAN, IT REALLY ISN'T, IT'S REALLY JUST CONFUSED.
I MEAN, YOU GOT ONE GENTLEMAN HERE WHO WANTS TO REZONE IT, AND THAT'S ALL WE KNOW ABOUT.
HE WANTS TO RESOLVE, TO PUT A TRAILER WHO I RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THEN YOU COME UP WITH A SECOND, A THIRD PARTY THAT I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO SLIGHTLY F HALL.
AND LET ME UNDERSTAND THE FIVE THAT YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR TRAILERS ON IS ON MR. DAVIS.
YOU'RE NOT THE ONES NEXT DOOR.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU'RE NOT THE ONES NEXT DOOR RIGHT NOW.
PETER PARKER STREETS RIGHT HERE.
CONCERN, NOT THE ONE THAT'S PRESENT THAT I HAVE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING AN IMMEDIATE PROBLEM, WITHDRAWAL WITH CENTER.
I'M THINKING, YOU SAID IT WAS NOT AWFUL.
WHOEVER GAVE US THE INFORMATION, IT RUINED HIS INFORMATION AND HE HAD THE DIRECTOR.
DID THEY GIVE YOU AN ADDRESS? HUH? OKAY.
SO THE, THE CITY DID HAVE, THE ADDRESS HAD, WAS THE MAP.
SO WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO HAVE THE CORRECT MAP? THE APPLICANT WELL, LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION.
WHERE DID WE GET THE MATH FOR AN EXAMPLE TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'VE DRAWN THESE NICE LINES AROUND AND CYCLE.
SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? HOW DO WE KNOW THIS ONE'S WRONG? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AS, AS WE, YOU KNOW, PASSING AUDIT CITIZENS IN LEFT AND RIGHT, HOW SOMEBODY ELSE HAS MADE UPS, WHATEVER THE ERROR OCCURRED TO TOP OF THAT IS UNDEVELOPED IN THIS AREAS.
YOU ONLY DEVELOP STREET IS MORE AVENUE, ONE BLOCK UP THERE THAT SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE MADE BY COMING DOWN.
UH, SINCE HARTFORD, THIS IS NOT VISIBLE.
PEOPLE JUST ASSUME THAT BOY IS ACTUALLY HARPER WHEN IT WAS NOT THE CASE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WRONG PERSON CAN YOU GIVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? I REMEMBER FOR, FOR INSTANCE, OUR ROOM, WE ZONES ONE TIME, BUT WE ZONE IT UNDER THE CONDITION THAT THEY CAN CERTAIN THINGS.
AND THIS INCIDENT, I WOULD THINK LIKE PUT UP A BUFFALO SAUCE, SPOTTING.
SO IF WE CAN NOT PUT STIPULATIONS ON HIS OWN, YEAH, THIS IS A REAL DILEMMA.
I TELL YOU BECAUSE IT'S NOT
THAT WAS NOT A ZONE FOR THE PURPOSES THAT THEY WANT TO USE HIS,
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HE OWNED HIS PROPERTY LONG THAN EVERYBODY.JUST LIKE IF I HAD A TRACK OF LAND OR SUBDIVISION THAT HAD NO, UH, BUILDING TIMEFRAMES AND, UM, SOMEONE WANTED TO REZONE THEIR TRACK LAND TO PUT, UM, UM, HOUSE OR TRAILER THAT VIOLATE THE RESPECT TO COVER UP.
YOU KNOW, I'D BE MAD IN THIS INSTANCE.
SO HE CONSIDERS THE REZONING, A DOWNGRADING OF HIS PROPERTY.
YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE A LADY IN RED OUT HERE WHO'S BEEN WILLING TO SPEAK FOR SOME TIME AND SEE HER.
CAN YOU SEE THAT? I'M TRYING TO SAY THIS
I SAID, IF Y'ALL WHOLE STEEL, WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
YOU WON'T, YOU WON'T HELP EITHER.
ONE OF YOU WON'T HELP THE CASE BACK, ARGUED WITH EACH BACKUP AND THEN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TAKE FOR TWO WEEKS.
THE TWO PARTIES I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, BUT SEE HE HAS, HE HAS, SORRY, HOLD ON JUST A SEC.
LET ME, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
DIDN'T Y'ALL SAY YOU BOUGHT THAT LOCK IS YOUR LUCK, RIGHT? LET ME, BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
WHO IS THIS? WHAT HAS THIS LADY IN VIRGINIA INVOLVED THAT SAYS SHE'LL GIVE YOU 60 DAYS, 60 DAYS OH, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WANT TO MOVE IT TO THIS LOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RESIGN.
SO YOU GOTTA MOVE IT SOMEWHERE.
MR. JORDAN, COULD YOU SHOW US ON THE MAP ON BEGGAR MAP OR WHATEVER? IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN MODIFY THIS ORDINANCE TO, TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON? I MEAN, DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT HUGE BLOCK THAT YOU'RE SHOWING? IS THERE SOME WAY WE COULD CHANGE THIS ORDINANCE TO INCLUDE THERE A LOT AND IT SENSES DISTANCE FROM HIS LIFE.
AND HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT POSTED IT.
WE CAN JUST CHANGE THE ZONING ON ENOUGH OF THAT AREA TO GIVE THEM THEIR A LOT.
AND IT'S STILL PLENTY, FAR AWAY FROM HIM.
THAT'LL SOLVE IMMEDIATE PROBLEMS. UM, MR. MAYOR, POINT OF ORDER, IF I CAN CHECK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT RE ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
COULD WE, IF WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT IT OR TRY TO MODIFY IT, OR YOU CAN DO IT ON ANY PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE CAN FIND, IF THAT WORKS, THAT SUITS.
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LET'S NARROW THE SCOPE OF IT, LETTING THEM PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER.AND WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN GET YOU OUT OF THIS EITHER WAY YOU GOT
WE CAN CHANGE THE ZONING TO INCLUDE THE ONE LOT.
UH, SINCE IT IS ADJACENT TO THE
SO YOU COULD CHANGE IT JUST FOR THEIR A LOT.
SINCE IT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE,
AND THEN THEY PUT A DELAY ON THIS OTHER ONE AND SEE IF THESE FOLKS CAN WORK OUT THEIR PROBLEM.
IS THAT NOT TRUE AS MR. REINER WANTED TO DO PUT A DELAY ON THE OTHER ONE, WE CAN'T HIT IMMEDIATELY SPRAY.
IF THE BOARD IS GOING TO ACT ON IT TONIGHT, WANT BACK ON LESS THAN THE FULL AMOUNT.
IT CAN'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU CAN COME ON LATER WITHOUT A NEW PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTING ON THE REST OF THEM.
WELL, WE COULD HAVE A NEW PUBLIC, BUT NOW WHEN YOU WERE SAYING LAST THEN, AND I THINK THEIR POINT THOUGH, WAS TO TAKE AN EXISTING RSX THAT A LOT LAYS ADJACENT TO JUST MOVE THE BOUNDARY.
CAN WE DO THAT? YOU CAN'T YET.
WELL, I, I PROPOSE THAT WE DO THAT, BUT THAT ONE, THE REST I CAN PUT IT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW IT TO HIM? ONE OTHER QUESTION.
IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANYBODY PAYING AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR THE FURTHER ACTION WOULD IT, OR WE CAN, WE CAN WAIT.
WE'LL WAIVE
THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MOST URGENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT HERE.
JUST TAKING CARE OF THAT ONE BEST WE CAN, BUT YOU KNOW, SO I TELL YOU SOMETHING'S NOT FAIR BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY BEING FAIR TO MR. DAVIS.
HE'S PAID THE MONEY FOR THE PETITION FOR THE ZONING.
IT'S SOMETHING JUST FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR ABOUT THIS.
THEY DID YOU SAY ANYBODY? WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT HIS FEE IS GONE.
WE'RE JUST SAYING IF WE DELAY IT AND LET THEM DISCUSS IT SOME MORE FOR WEEKEND, BACK ON THAT ONE, BUT ON ESTIMATE OVER HERE.
HOW'S THAT SOUND? OH, WE READY? OKAY.
WE'LL CALL IT BACK INTO ORDER AGAIN.
AFTER MUCH SIDEBAR DISCUSSION, IT WAS LIKE, OH, AND ONE THING THAT WE'VE DECIDED TO DO, SHALL I TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS? CAN YOU TRY IT WHEN THEY HAVE TO DO THIS? IT MUST AWARD EXPLAIN.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO CONTINUE TO CONSIDER REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE AREA, WHICH HAS TO BE REZONED TONIGHT TO THE LIGHT, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER OF PARKWOOD AND CAROLINA STREET, WHICH IS OWNED BY THIS YOUNG COUPLE OUT HERE ON WHICH THEY WANTED TO LOCATE THE MOBILE HOME THAT THEY'VE BOUGHT.
SO AS TO RELIEVE THAT PROBLEM AND ENABLE THEM TO GO AHEAD AND LOCATE THE MOBILE HOME ON THAT CORNER LOT, THEN I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD WISHES TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE QUESTION OF REZONING, THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IN THIS AREA, WHICH WAS BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT SO THAT IT CAN BE HEARD AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO MOVE AND MEANS THERE'LL BE NO FURTHER FEES OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THAT JUST MEANS THAT WE STILL NOT SAYING YES, I NOTICE OTHER SITUATION, BUT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON WHAT'S LEFT MINUS DAY A LOT, WHICH WE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT A LOT OF NIGHTS, SINCE IT'S SO FAR FROM YOU ANYWAY, AND THEY'VE GOT AN IMMEDIATE PRESSING EMERGENCY, DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? ALL I WE'VE HAD A MOTION TO DO THAT AND ANYBODY'S SLACKING IT.
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ONE FOR THE CONDUCT, THE ORDINANCE, WHICH ACT FOR FED, WHICH COPY OF WHICH IS BEFORE EACH OF YOU DESCRIBES THE ENTIRE AREA THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, THAT IS BEING AMENDED.SO IT'S TO ADDRESS ON IT THAT ONE LOT ON THE CORNER OF PARKWOOD AND CAROLINA STREET.
SO WHEN WE HAVE TO, UH, THAT ORDINANCE WILL BE DOCUMENTED AT NIGHT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'D WRAPPED IT.
SO THE LEAD PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, YOU MAY CALL THE ROLE.
NEXT WEEK, NEXT WEEK, THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THE REST OF IT.
ARE WE GOING AHEAD AND GIVE THEM THE ZONING BECAUSE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO MOVE.
SO HE'S STILL ALIVE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
THEY WON'T COST ANY MORE FEES, ANY MORE MONEY AND JUST ONE MORE TRIP TO HERE AND THEY WILL, WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO DO THE BEST WE CAN.
I'M STAYING WHILE EVEN YOU WE'LL ASK WHERE WE'RE WITNESSING TONIGHT AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE OFFERING THEM THE LAND FOR SALE.
I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER INGREDIENT IN THE SCALES.
IT WILL WEIGH ON US ON THE NEXT WEEK.
NEXT THING WE HAVE TONIGHT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANYBODY NEEDED TO PULL ANYTHING FROM IT? AND I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA HERE A SECOND ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
NEXT THING WE HAVE AS A POINT.
OKAY, MS. LEE, I HAVE ONE, BUT UH, I HAVE TALKED TO LIEUTENANT YET.
IT'S AN URGENCY TO START HISTORIC COMMISSION.
MR. POPPER, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR A NICE, VERY GOOD.
LET'S SEE, BEEN A FAITHFUL FAITHFUL MEMBER OF MELTING TONIGHT WAS TO LAYER.
I HAVEN'T DECIDED WHO MY NEXT VICTIM.
I MEAN, MY BROTHER IS COMING OFF A BOARD.
I THINK HE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB WHEN I HEAR, BUT, UH, I'M GOING TO TRY TO REAPPOINT MR. DEAN KNIGHT TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION THAT NOBODY HAS ANY OPPOSITION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, MR. REINER, NO APPOINTMENTS.
NOW WENT BACK TO MISCELLANEOUS, BUT OH, THAT'LL BE QUICK.
UM, MS. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE, UH, YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN GIVEN YOUR, A RATHER SUBSTANTIAL BUDGET COPIES, UH, SENT OUT EARLIER IN THE WEEK, BUT THIS IS TO GIVE THE BUDGET A MESSAGE TO GIVE IT TO THE COURT, TO GET IT INTO THE MINUTES, BUT I WILL NOT READ THE THING, BUT, UH, UH, IT DOES PROVIDE A 3% PAY INCREASE FOR CITY EMPLOYEES ON COST OF LIVING BASIS DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR ANY INCREASE IN ANY TAXES OR ANY FEES EXCEPT FOR COMMERCIAL REVENUES, WHICH IS A PASS THROUGH, UH, AS THERE'S CAUSE, UH, WE JUST, UH, CHARGE ENOUGH TO GET, UH, THE ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT, UH, WE'RE BEING CHARGED TO HANDLE THAT, UH, TRASH.
AND I BASICALLY THAT'S THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR AND YOU HAVE THE MESSAGE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU CAN CERTAINLY ARE WELL ABLE TO READ YOURSELVES.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO RESPOND TO THEM SINCE DON MUCKED OUT, NOT HERE, I'D LIKE TO ASK THERE ANY CARS,
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THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEW VEHICLES IN THE BUDGET, AND THERE ARE, I THINK AT LEAST, UH, I BELIEVE THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS, UH, A NUMBER OF NEW CARS, WHICH WILL, UH, THIS, I THINK ONE MORE YEAR WILL COMPLETE THE ENTIRE, UH, CHANGEOVER OF THE POLICE FLEET.WOULD YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SOME TIME? THERE ARE A FEW OTHER VEHICLES, UH, SCATTERED AROUND THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET.
ALSO, ONE THING I THINK YOU TAKE SOME CREDIT FOR IS THE REDUCTION FROM WHAT WAS IT? 3.6, FOUR, I THINK PERCENT ELECTRIC AROUND SIX.
HE USED TO GO IN A GENERAL FUND FOR FOUR YEARS AGO.
AND THAT'S DOWN TO WHAT, THREE POINT, I THINK IT'S 2.4, 3%.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS, NOW THAT'S ADOPTED IN ACCORDANCE.
THAT'S FUNDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE POLICY THAT THIS BOARD ADOPTED THE DONE OVER A YEAR AGO NOW, UH, WHICH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMISSION HAD REQUESTED.
WE, UH, UH, ADOPT SOME GUIDELINES AND THIS BOARD DID THAT.
AND THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THOSE GUIDELINES.
IT'S ABOUT, I HAVEN'T FINISHED REVIEWING THE BUDGET, BUT ARE THERE ANY FUNDS ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE POOL OR PLANNING FOR, IF YOU RECALL, AND THEIR BUDGET LAST YEAR, THE BOARD ADOPTED A PROJECT ORDINANCE, WHICH INCLUDED THE POOL AS A PROJECT.
UH, SO IT REMAINS IN THAT PROJECT ORDINANCE.
UH, WE STILL HAVE NOT FINALLY DECIDED FROM THE BOARD TO GET A CLEAR CONSENSUS ON LOCATION.
AND OF COURSE, FOR BOTH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED IN ORDER TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT, UH, HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT THROUGH BONDS OR THROUGH INSTALLMENT PURCHASE OR HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THE BOARD DECIDES TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UH, PRIOR TO JULY, I THOUGHT WE HAD ALREADY MADE A DETERMINATION ON LOCATION OR THE POOL WHEN WE, UH, ACQUIRE THE 10 ACRES OF LAND, BUT $85,000.
I WAS UNDER THAT IMPRESSION ALSO, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT THE BOARD REALLY NEEDS TO REAFFIRM AS WE MOVE TOWARDS JULY.
ONCE THEY DO REAFFIRM THAT THOUGH, THEN WE CAN GET A ENGINEERING FIRM AND COME IN AND DO THE WORK AND BE READY TO GO.
WE GOT THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
WELL, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PLANS PROCEED FOR THE SWIMMING POOL AT THAT LOCATION AT THAT LOCATION.
I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE RIGHT TO VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT.
ALL OF THEM PEDAL WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT GOING TO USE THAT A LOT, THAT DON'T VOTE ON ANYTHING.
NO, BUT I MADE HIS WARD, BUT SINCE WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE FUNDS FOR IT AND THE FUNDING FOR THE SESSION, BUT WOULD IT NOT BE A MORE APPROPRIATE TIME AND BUDGET SESSION? NO, IT'S JUST, IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME THAT, UM, THAT, UM, THERE ARE SOME FORCES TRYING TO KILL THAT EFFORT AND I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED TO SPEND $85,000 TO ACQUIRE A 10 ACRE TRACT OF LAND FOR SOMETHING THAT WE ALL AGREED WHEN WE ACQUIRED IT TO BE USED FOR THE POOL.
AND THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR US NOT TO CONTINUE THE EFFORT THAT WE STARTED TWO YEARS AGO, WE MADE PROMISES TO PEOPLE.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CHILDREN THAT HAVE EXPECTATIONS OF A POOL BEING CONSTRUCTED.
AND I REMEMBER WE SAID THAT WE HAD A DEADLINE FOR THE POOL TO BE OPEN THIS SUMMER.
SO THERE WAS NO EXCUSE TO DISCONTINUE WHAT WE PROMISED THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN SPEND MONEY ON SOME UNFORESEEN THINGS LIKE THE PROMENADE AROUND UNION POINT SPEND $700,000, BUT YET THIS THAT'S EXTRA CREDITS ALONE, BUT YET SOMETHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY TRAIN ALL OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, HOW TO SWIM AND KEEP MAKING THE DROWN PROOF.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF FOLKS IN THIS TOWN.
I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP JUST TO PROCEED INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING, PUTTING A POOL ON THE BACK BURNER, FILIBUSTER, AND THEN LISTENING TO A WHOLE LOT OF CRITICS WHO CAN AFFORD TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO THE WILD OR BELONG TO A PRIVATE COUNTRY CLUB.
WE NEED, WE, WE MADE PROMISES TO FOLKS THAT WE NEED TO FULFILL.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU, BUT SINCE WE WERE BORN TO HAVE THAT SESSION AND I CAN ASSURE YOU WITH BUDGET SESSION, WE'LL PROBABLY
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HAVE OUT A LOT OF THE DIFFERENCES THAT WE SEEM TO BE HAVING.I WAS THINKING THAT MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE.
WELL, WHEN I SAY PROCEED WITH THE PLANNING, THAT MEANS FOR THE RECREATION OF STAFF TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT SOME BIDS OR PROPOSALS ON THE DIMENSIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT CAN BE DONE, BUT WE ARE TALKING TO ENGINEERING PRODUCT RIGHT NOW.
WE NEED, WE NEED TO, AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, WE NEED SOMETHING CONCRETE TO ACT ON.
DON'T LET US HAVE TO COME AND RUN THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO GO TO CARE TO THESE POOL COMPANIES, MYSELF AND DO EVERYTHING, GET THE SIZE AND ALL THAT? DO I HAVE TO DO THAT? OR CAN I BE A POSITIVE MAKER AND JUST REQUEST THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO DO IT THEMSELVES? BECAUSE, I MEAN, HOW IS IT? IS IT THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK, TO ASK THEM, TO BRING US SOME PLANS BACK SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO ACT ON? IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT? WELL, I THINK WE CAN BRING BACK TO, WE CAN BRING YOU BACK SOME COST ESTIMATES AND WE CAN BRING YOU BACK SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT UNTIL THE, AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE SITE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT UNTIL THE BOARD CLEAR ABOUT WHAT SITE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, GET SIGNING A CONTRACT TO AN ENGINEERING FIRM, TO COME IN AND DO A ACTUAL SITE PLAN FOR THE ACTUAL SITE AND DESIGN.
THE ACTUAL FACILITY, UH, IS PREMATURE.
ONCE THE BOARD SAYS, OFFICIALLY, THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.
THEN WE WILL BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
WE'RE TALKING WITH ENGINEERING FIRMS NOW ABOUT COST THAT'S THAT'S IN THE PROCESS.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING WILL REFLECT THAT WHEN WE PURCHASED THAT EIGHT O'CLOCK THAT, THAT LOT, THAT 10 ACRE TRACK OF LAND, 85,000 MILE, IT WAS FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF PUTTING A SWIMMING POOL THERE.
AND I'M NOT BLAMING YOU, BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU'RE GETTING MIXED MESSAGES FROM US.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN TELL YOU THE MESS.
WE SIGNED, THAT WE AUTHORIZED THE ACQUISITION OF THAT 10 ACRE TRACT OF LAND.
WE MADE A DECISION BASED UPON THE FACT THAT THAT IS WHERE WE WANTED TO PUT THE POOL.
WE WEREN'T JUST SPECULATING THE BASSEM LAND, JUST IN CASE THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT GROWS.
IT WAS A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD THAT THIS WAS THE BEST SITE FOR THE SCHOOL.
DID YOU DID ALSO SAY THAT MY AVAILABILITY, I LAND AT THAT PRICE AND IT BEING CONTIGUOUS TO THE RECREATION CENTER, IT WAS A GOOD VIBE, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE FOOD, BUT I THINK THAT TOLD THEM IN MY MIND THAT WE HAD A DOUBLE EDGE RAISINS.
THE ONLY THING THAT HAS HELD THE PROJECT UP AS I HAVE MIXED MESSAGES I GET IS THAT I, AFTER THE HURRICANES, THE PRIORITIES SEEM TO SHIFT FROM POLES TO DRAINAGE AND THE POOL SORTA WENT ON THE BACK BURNER WHILE WE STARTED PURSUING DRAINAGE ISSUES.
AND SO, YEAH, I HAVE THE SAME BASIC RECOLLECTION THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THAT MEETING, THAT IT WAS FOR THAT PURPOSE, BUT THE, AGAIN, THIS, THE SIGNALS AND THE STATEMENTS OF THE BOARD, AS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, AS I INTERPRETED THOSE MESSAGES, AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS WHO SAID, WE MAY HAVE TO WAIT ON THIS POOL BECAUSE DRAINAGE COMES FIRST.
AND I THINK THAT WAS IN A MEETING ALSO, SO THAT WE'VE ALSO, UH, TAKEN SOME STEPS TO SOLVE THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM.
THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO BECAUSE WE CAN'T SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SOLVE A PROBLEM.
THAT'S BEING HERE SINCE THE EXISTENCE OF THIS TOWN, AND IT'S GOING TO BE HERE FOREVER.
THIS IS JUST, WE'RE IN A LOW LINE AREA.
WE HAVE DRAINAGE PROBLEM OF THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR.
ONCE EVERY FOUR TO 50 YEARS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST CAN'T HELP.
IT'S NATURE TAKING ITS COURSE, AND YOU CAN'T SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
AND WE CAN DEFINITELY SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF MOST OF THE PEOPLE LEAVING THIS TOWN, NOT BEING ABLE TO SWIM.
WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF A LOT OF KIDS IN THE SUMMERTIME BEING HOT.
THEY GOING INTO TWO POOLS, UNAUTHORIZED, ALMOST DROWNING.
WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF JUST YOUNG KIDS, NOT HAVING A WHOLESOME, FUN WATER, SPORTS TO DO IN THE SUMMERTIME.
WE CAN SEE THAT'S AN IMMEDIATE PROBLEM WE CAN SOLVE.
PLUS, WE'VE BEEN PROMISING THESE FOLKS FOR THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS.
MR. SAMSON HAS BEEN DOWN HERE TO SOUTH.
DID WE PROMISE WE WERE GOING TO PUT A POOL UP? HOW MANY TIMES, SEVERAL TIMES THAT CORRECT.
SO I'LL BE, ARE WE GOING TO BE, ARE WE GOING TO BE KNOWN AS A BOARD THAT MAKE REPRESENTATIONS AND DON'T CARE THEM OUT? OR ARE WE GOING TO BE A BOARD THAT MAKE, UH, WHEN WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, WE DO IT.
AND IF YOU TELL US, IF WE, IF WE SAY WE'RE GONNA DO
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SOMETHING, WE'RE GONNA FULFILL OUR PROMISES, THAT'S THE KIND OF BOARD THAT I WANT TO BE TO KNOW HIM TO BE ON, NOT THE KIND OF BOARD THAT PROMISE PEOPLE, SOMETHING.AND THEN ONE LITTLE THING COMES UP AND THEN, WELL, WE GOT TO CHANGE OUR MIND.
WE DIDN'T CHANGE OUR MIND WHEN WE HAD TO SUBSIDIZE THAT, THAT, UH, UNION POINT PROJECT AND THAT'S AS STATICS, BUT THIS IS SERIOUS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE NEED TO HAVE AN ONGOING PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THIS POOL.
EVERY TIME WE COME TO A MEETING, IT NEEDS TO BE IN ANOTHER PHASE.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I'M JUST VOTING OR MAKING A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE AND EVERY WEEK HAVE SOMETHING TO REPORT.
WELL, DON'T YOU BLANK WITH A BUDGET SESSION STARTING FRIDAY, THAT IF WE WOULD HAVE VOTED ON THAT TONIGHT, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO PUT THEM TO, TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE COST AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ALONG WITH THAT, JUST SAY, DO THAT.
I MEAN, I JUST WANT SOMETHING CONCRETE.
I MEAN, THEY NEED TO, ALL THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO CONTINUALLY HAVE PROPOSALS ON THE PROGRESS OF THE POOL.
WELL, WE CAN GET A POOL OF THIS DIMENSION, BUT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND TALK TO DIFFERENT POOL COMPANIES.
WELL, AREN'T, THEY, AREN'T TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO ONE, I THINK ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO AND I'M NOT BLAMING THE CITY MANAGER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S UNFAIR FOR US TO BE SENDING MIXED MESSAGES AFTER WE PROMISE FOLKS.
AND WE PROMISE FOLKS, AND IF YOU WANT ME TO PULL THE FILM, I'LL DO IT.
WELL, I'M ONE OF THOSE WHO AGREE WITH THE SWIMMING.
AND I STILL AGREE WITH SWIMMING POOL, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR JOB ALSO IS TO PRIORITIZE WHAT MONEY WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO DO THE MOST GOOD.
AND THE MOST PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW AT THE HURRICANE CALL A HURRICANE WAS THE CAPITOL, WAKE UP, CALL THEM.
I'VE LIVED THROUGH A FEW OF THEM IN MY LIFE, BACK IN THE FIFTIES AND SO FORTH.
BUT, UH, THAT WAS MY FIRST COUPLE IS THE MAYOR.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, I'VE GOTTEN PLENTY OF PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE WATER, BUT NOT DAYS, BUT WEEKS.
MATTER OF FACT, WE HAD SOME OF THEM IN FRONT OF HIS BOARD AND, UH, ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
BUT YOU KNOW, MAYOR, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST AN ACT OF GOD AND THE CITY JUST CAN'T SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM.
GOD HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES.
AND I'M JUST TELLING, I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT WE DROWN PROOFING KIDS IS A GREAT, GREAT IDEA AND HUMANITARIAN THING.
AND THAT I HAVE SUPPORTED MYSELF AND WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT.
AND, UH, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY UNDERLYING CURRENT NOT TO DO THE POOL OF WHATEVER, BUT I HAVE HEARD AND MYSELF INCLUDED OF THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DRAW OUR TIES, SAFETY, HEALTH, AND WELFARE, AND THE ORDER THAT WE NEED TO DO THESE THINGS AND THEN DO THE POOL.
CERTAINLY IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE'VE FORGOTTEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE GET THE, THE DRAINAGE AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND YOU SAID, AS YOU SAY, HAS BEEN, UH, AN OLD THING AND ONGOING THING HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER.
AND ALL IT'S DONE IS COMPOUNDED ITSELF TO THE POINT.
NOW THAT EVEN WHEN DANNY STANDS UP HERE AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, TO RUN, RUN LINES, TO TRY TO RELIEVE AN APPARENT FLOODING SITUATION HERE AND THERE CAUSES SOMETIMES SOME UNEXPECTED RESULTS IN OTHER PLACES, NOT ONLY IS THAT MONEY WASTED, BUT YOU KNOW, IT CAUSES EVEN WORSE PROBLEMS SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE OF US NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE ALL THE LINES GO AND WHAT SIZE THEY ARE AND ALL THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN TO, YOU GOT TO FIX THOSE THINGS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE BUDGET SESSIONS FOR THEM.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO MUCH FUN.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT DRAIN IS? PROBLEM IS SO LARGE THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE CITY CAN SOLVE IT WITHOUT, UH, SOME TYPE OF REVENUE SHARON FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, FEDERAL AND STATE HERE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 1,000, $10 PRESIDENT SAY ONE TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT A MAN ON THE MOON AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN MY LIFETIME.
AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.
IF WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND ON A MUCH LESSER SCALE, THE THING THAT WE CAN'T AT LEAST TACKLE THAT PROBLEM WITH DRAINAGE AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT, THEN I THINK WE'VE MISSED OUR COLUMN.
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WE DIDN'T BREAK.GETTING YOU A REPORT AT EACH MEETING.
I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR ABOUT IT FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? ARE WE DOING MISCELLANEOUS MAY OR JUNE? YEAH, I'LL DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GOING TO THE DIRECTOR'S MISCELLANEOUS MARY ROBIN.
WELL, NOW WE DIDN'T GET ON NO, SURE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MISCELLANEOUS MAX.
NO, ROBERT, NO, NOT ON THE POOL.
ONE QUICK NAME AL WHAT I WAS DISCUSSING EARLIER, WHERE IT CAME UP AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS ABOUT THE DIGGING OF MILLER STREET AND WHAT WE COULD DO TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT.
AND I THINK NOW IS AS FOUND SOMETHING.
CAN WE JUST EXPLAIN TO THE BULL? MAY I REMEMBER THE BOARD I STARTED TO PREPARE, HE WASN'T UPSET, DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, EXAMINING THE CODE FOR A PLACE TO PUT IT AND REMEMBERED THAT.
IN FACT, WE HAVE A SECTION OF THE CODE, WHICH ADDRESSES THE PROBLEM SO THAT NO ONE CAN DIG IN A CITY STREET WITHOUT A PERMIT.
I THINK WE'VE COVERED THAT REFERENCED AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT SECTION REFLECTS FROM THE 1971 CODIFICATION.
SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME WE'VE COVERED RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT'S THE SAME THING YOU CAN SAY DIGGING, RIGHT? THAT DIDN'T KEEP SOMEBODY FROM TAKING SOMETHING THAT WAS LAYING ON THE SURFACE.
YOU CAN STOP THEM TO HAVE POLICE DOWN THERE.
WE OWN IT, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.
TECHNICALLY WE ATE AND THEN WE COULD POST A SIGN TO SAY, DO NOT REMOVE TRESPASS.
JUST SPECIFICALLY SAY, DO NOT REMOVE, RELAX ARTIFACTS, UH, SKULLS AND CROSSBONES OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM THAT FROM THE SIDES.
WE JUST POST A SIGN THERE AND TELL THEM, DO NOT DO IT.
ANOTHER THING I'VE SAID, DAVID'S NOT HERE WITH DISTRICT MONEY.
HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO LOOK INTO THE SIGNAGE.
THAT'S ALREADY WORKED OUT THOUGH.
SO I MIGHT'VE MENTIONED THAT AS AN OUTCOME OF THE DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY A COLLECTOR WHO SAYS THAT IF WE CAN FIND A PROPER CABINET TO PUT UP HERE OR WHEREVER, HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH A NICE SELECTION OF ARTIFACTS FROM NEWBURN THAT HAD BEEN UNEARTHED HERE AND PUT US UP A PERMANENT DISPLAY IN CITY HALL, PLUS ADD ANYTHING THAT'S FOUND THERE TO THE DISPLAY.
WE DON'T FIND THIS THE DISPLAY.
WHERE DID WE FIND THESE? WE MADE THEM, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME MORE LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEM? 15 TURN.