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COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, PROBABLY BE THANKED.
THE FATHER, BE ABLE TO MEET AGAIN AT ONE PLACE FOR THEM TO DO BUSINESS IN YOUR NAME.
BUT HIS FATHER, I ASKED THE PROFESSOR BLASTING FOR THE BOARD TONIGHT, FROM THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION.
THEN PLEASE DO NOT SAY THAT THEM THE WAY REMEMBER FOLLOWED THAT YOU GIVE THEM AUTHORITY OVER YOUR PEOPLE, THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE DECISION FOR ALL THE PEOPLE, BUT TO FOLLOW THE GUIDE AND DIRECT THEM IN THE WAY THEY SHOULD GO FOLLOW A BLESSED NEW BRUIN AND A VERY SPECIAL WAY LESS CRAVEN COUNTY.
WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AS ONE PEOPLE DOING WHATSOEVER.
THEY CAN FOR EACH OTHER, WE HAVE TO NEED ANOTHER BLESSING IN JESUS' NAME.
WE PRAY AND WE CONDUCT DONE THE MAN AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
FIRST THING WE HAVE TONIGHT IS THE MONTHLY REQUEST AND PETITION OF CITIZENS.
SO THIS IS WHERE ANY CITIZEN HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORTH AND TELL US WHAT A WONDERFUL JOB WE DO HAVE.
AND FOR YEARS THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET BY RAIN.
SO WHO KNOWS? ANYWAY, WE'LL START ON THE FIRST ROW.
AND IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT IS HERE FOR THE CONDITION ALREADY COMING UP? OH, THERE HE IS.
ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND STAY WHO YOU ARE.
IT'S DRIVEN CT PRESENTED PETITION.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD THINK OF IT MORE OR AS MUCH AS A POLL AS IT IS.
UH, I WANT TO CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS QUESTION IS NOT A CRITICISM, NOR DOES IT SUGGEST NOTHING IS HAPPENING.
EXCUSE ME, JACK DAFT 609 RAVEN STREET, UH, THE PETITION DEALS WITH, UH, DOWNTOWN PARKING, WHICH IS A ISSUE THAT'S DEAR TO MANY OF THE HEARTS OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK DOWNTOWN.
UH, IT WAS DONE IN ORDER TO BEGIN TO DEVELOP A, UH, AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW PERHAPS PEOPLE WHO WORK DOWNTOWN AND HAVE PROPERTY DOWNTOWN AND BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, HOW DO THEY REALLY FEEL ABOUT THE PARKING PROBLEM? WE'VE ALL MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH, THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH, UH, AND, AND THAT IS NOT EVEN NECESSARILY.
SO, UH, IF THE DOWNTOWN AREA WERE TO DEVELOP FULLY, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
SO THIS WAS A POLL OR PETITION TO BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE FELT ABOUT IT.
THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 1300 NAMES OF BOTH LANDOWNERS AND OTHERS.
SEE, THIS IS A BRIEF CLERK, MS. PAULA, THIS IS A BRIEF SUMMARY OF A THREE PAGES.
FIRST PAGE OUTLINES SORT OF BE SOMEBODY THAT HAS ALSO PETITION AT THE SECOND PAGE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IMMEDIATELY PROPOSALS.
AND THE THIRD PAGE IS A SUMMARY OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE STUDY.
UH, THE 1,293, TOTAL SIGNATURES, 187 BUSINESS OWNERS, 391 PROPERTY OWNERS AND 328 PEOPLE WHO WERE EMPLOYED THERE IN TOWN.
I THINK THOSE PERSONS WHO HAD STUDIED THIS AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND WHO DEALS WITH IT EVERY DAY, UH, REPRESENT A GOOD CROSS SECTION OF THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE.
I WOULD LIKE TO READ THIS PETITION.
THE UNDERSIGNED HEREBY PETITION THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO AUTHORIZE THE APPROPRIATE AGENCIES OR THE CITY TO DEVELOP PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WHEREAS THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESS OPERATORS, PROFESSIONAL
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OFFICES, AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAVE INVESTED CONSIDERABLE TIME AND MONEY IN THE REDEVELOPMENT OF DOWNTOWN NEWBURN.AND WHEREAS THESE INVESTORS FIND THIS INVESTMENT IS IN JEOPARDY FROM THE PERCEIVED AND REAL SHORTAGE OF PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND WHEREAS WHEN CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS ALSO IN JEOPARDY WITHOUT ADEQUATE PARKING, THE PERSONS WHOSE SIGNATURES ARE PLACED BELOW REQUEST IMMEDIATE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEM WITH THIS PETITION, THE UNDERSIGNED HEREBY INFORMED THE MAYOR AND BOARD OF ALDERMAN THAT ACTION, INCLUDING CONDEMNATION OF PROPERTY, THE USE OF CITY FUNDS TO ACCOMPLISH THE DEVELOPMENT OF PARKING AREAS SHOULD BE USED TO ACCOMPLISH THE CREATION OF QUALITY PARKING AREAS FOR THE PUBLIC AND BUSINESS OPERATIONS IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
FURTHERMORE, THE MAYOR AND BOARD OF ALDERMAN SHOULD ESTABLISH A COMMITTEE OF PROFESSIONALLY QUALIFIED PERSONS, JUST STUDY AND REPORT TO THE, TO THE MAYOR AND OF ALDERMAN REGARDING THE CREATION OF A PARKING AUTHORITY OR SIMILAR OPERATING ORGANIZATION TO PROVIDE ONGOING MANAGEMENT AND OPERATION OF PARKING FACILITIES.
UH, THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE QUESTION PUT THE PEOPLE THERE'S TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FOR THIS.
UH, IT IS NOW SOMEWHAT OF AN IDENTIFIED SUPPORT.
I THINK MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT THERE WAS SUPPORT FOR IT.
WE THINK THERE HAS THIS LITTLE PETITION OR POLL AS I WOULD PERHAPS PREFER TO CALL.
IT DOES ILLUSTRATE THAT THERE IS SUPPORT FOR THAT APPROACH TO RESOLVING THIS PROBLEM.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MR. DAPPER, ANY COMMENTS? YES.
MAYOR, UH, JACK DAPHNA MYSELF, WE DISCUSSED THE PROBLEM OR WE DISCUSSED THE PETITIONER AND HE'S PRESENTED HERE THIS EVENING, THE SITUATION AROUND A GROUP TO BE APPOINTED TO HIM OF THE PARKING SITUATION.
I EXPLAINED TO JACK THAT THERE WAS A GROUP APPOINTED OR COMMISSIONED BY THIS BOARD TO LOOK INTO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND ALSO THE PARKING SITUATION, UM, OF WHICH MYSELF IS A PART.
I THINK DANNY METALS IS PART OF THAT GROUP.
MIKE AVERY IS ALSO PART OF THAT GROUP AND JACK HIMSELF.
AND, UM, I WOULD THINK, UH, WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE HAS SHARED WITH MYSELF AND WITH THE PETITION TO ME, UH, I WOULD LIKE IF THE CITY MANAGER WOULD TO GET US A DATE TO WHERE WE COULD SIT DOWN ALONE WITH THAT GROUP IN LAW WITH JACK AND ESPECIALLY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT REPRESENT THE CITY HERE SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND SHARE IT, SHARE THE, UH, THE IDEAS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PROBABLY I GUESS, GIVE IT THE BEST IN PLACE.
AND ALSO LET, AT THAT TIME, JACK SHARE THE FEELING THAT HE HAS, UH, WITH THE PARKING SITUATION.
UM, BUT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BOARD AWARE THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE TOWARDS THE PARKING.
UH, BUT I THINK SOMETIMES THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT WORKING AS FAST AS SOME OF US LIKE FOR IT TO DO.
UH, BUT CITY MANAGER WOULD GIVE US A DATE AND LET US KNOW SOMETHING BEFORE WE SELL IT.
SO WE CAN SIT DOWN AND SHADOW SICK.
UH, ONE OF THE BETTER THINGS TO ME THAT CAME OUT OF THIS FEELING AND TALKING WITH ABOUT 40 TO 50 OF THE BUSINESS OPERATORS DOWNTOWN IS, UH, THEY REALLY PROFESSED NUMBER ONE IGNORANCE OF THE FACT THAT WAS A PARKING COMMITTEE WORKING AND THAT THEY HAD A PERCEPTION THAT THINGS WEREN'T HAPPENING IN SPITE OF THE NUMBER OF REPORTS AND COMMITTEES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR A CONSIDERABLE TIME.
AND, UM, I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS OUTGROWTH OF THIS, AND THERE REALLY NEEDS TO BE A LOT STRONGER COMMUNICATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING, UH, TO HELP ALLAY THEIR CONCERNS, UH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE DOES NEED TO BE MOVEMENT TOWARD RESOLVING THESE ISSUES.
MANY OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY AND IT MAY BE, THEY OWN A $30,000 BUSINESS, OR MAYBE THEY PUT $2 MILLION INTO A BUILDING DOWNTOWN.
AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT THEY DON'T SEE WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING.
THEY DON'T SEE HOW THIS WHOLE THING IS GOING TO GO TOGETHER.
SO WE, THIS IS IN A SENSE, A STEP A STATEMENT SAYING, LET'S GET IT TOGETHER.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD ON THIS ISSUE.
AND THEN I THINK YOU HIT THE KEY PHRASE AND THAT'S BRINGING ALL OF IT TOGETHER BECAUSE WHERE THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE NEW BRIDGES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, AND IT HAS TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO THE WHOLE SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST READ KENNEDY,
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GOT A FEW SPACES HERE AND A FEW SPACES THERE.SO A LOT OF BIG CHANGES GOING ON AT ONCE.
SO I'M SURE MR. HARTMAN WILL FOLLOW UP.
SHIRLEY WILL ANYBODY ELSE ON THE FRONT ROW? NOBODY ELSE ON THE FRONT FOOT.
HOW ABOUT THE SECOND ROW? EVERYBODY ON THE SECOND, THIRD ROW, FORTHRIGHT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND JUST GO TO THIS MICROPHONE.
IF YOU WOULD WRITE THERE WITH ELEPHANT UP AND DOWN HERE, I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS.
MY NAME IS
I GOT SOME NEIGHBORS AND SOME VERY GOOD FRIENDS.
AND I GOT SOME FRIENDS THAT AIN'T SUCH A GOOD TREND NOW, BUT HERE'S WHAT I WANT YOU GUYS TO STRAIGHTEN UP FOR ME.
WHY CAN'T ONE, MAN, HOLD UP THE PROPERTY THAT ANOTHER MAN, CAN'T PUT HIS STUFF ON THAT HE SPENT HIS MONEY AND PAYING TAXES ON.
AND AT THE SCENE, THIS GUSTIN TO ME, I WAS, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, I HAVE VERY GOOD NETTIE, BUT THAT'S GOING IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S NOT COME DEPENDING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HEY, COME DO IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW.
BUT WHY IS HE AT THE GO THROUGH ALL THIS OPPOSITION TO PUT SOME ON HIS PROPERTY AND HE'S PAYING HIS TAXES IS TRYING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.
IF I'M ON THE AUDIT, CORRECT MR. TRUMP, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT ISSUE.
MIX THAT SOUND THAT'S NUMBER 5%.
YOU ALREADY, I MADE A MISTAKE AND I'M FIVE.
COULD YOU GUYS, EXCUSE ME? NO, YOU'RE FINE.
YOUR STATEMENT HAS BEEN TAKEN.
WE'LL JUST APPLY YOUR COMMENTS TO NUMBER FIVE.
ANYBODY ELSE LEFT UNDER THE BROAD HEADING OF PETITION WITH CITIZENS BEFORE WE GET TO SOME SPECIFICS, NOBODY'S LAUGHING.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IS MOVE ITEM NUMBER SIX, SINCE I'M INFORMED AND MOST OF YOU HERE FOR THAT, MOVE IT UP NEXT.
AND THAT IS THE CONCERN OF THE FINAL PLAN FOR THE VILLAGE IN THE WOODS PHASE ONE, SECTION FOUR, MIKE, WHO WILL COME FORWARD AND EXPLAIN THAT WHOLE GREG, UH, MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
YOU HAVEN'T PRESSED BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR A FINAL PLAN APPROVAL FOR VILLAGE IN THE WOODS SECTION FOR PHASE ONE, AS YOU ARE, UH, TYPICALLY A CUSTOM, UH, FINAL PLAN APPROVALS TYPICALLY ARE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD AS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM AND ARE POLLED IF DISCUSSION TAKES PLACE.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ULTIMATELY MATTINGLY HAS ASKED THAT THIS BE PLACED AS AN AGENDA ITEM THIS EVENING FOR DISCUSSION, YOU RECEIVED, UH, A MEMO FROM ME AS WELL AS, UH, TWO LETTERS, ONE BEING A LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN TO MR. JEAN DON, WHO IS THE DEVELOPER OF THIS SUBDIVISION OUTLINING A LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS SUBDIVISION IN ORDER TO FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL BY THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
YOU'VE ALSO RECEIVED, I UNDERSTAND A COPY OF A MEMO FROM ALDERMAN MATTINGLY, UH, REGARDING THIS ISSUE AS WELL, WHICH COVERS MANY OF THE SAME ISSUES, UH, COVERED IN MY LETTER TO MR. DON, THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION IS NOT NEW TO, TO, UH, THE STAFF.
UM, WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THE SUBDIVISION DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. DODD AS EARLY AS JANUARY OF 96.
AND IT'S BEEN OVER A SERIES OF, OF MONTHS THAT MR. DON HAS BEEN PREPARING, UH, HIS PLAN IN DEVELOPING HIS SUBDIVISION AS IS TYPICAL WITH DEVELOPMENTS.
WHEN A DEVELOPER, UH, HAS A SUBDIVISION THAT'S PLANTED, PLANTED, HE GOES THROUGH TWO STEPS.
UH, HE GOES THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED A PRELIMINARY OR A GENERAL A, WHICH IS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THEN IN TURN, UH, AT THAT TIME, THE DEVELOPER IS AUTHORIZED TO BEGIN IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SUBDIVISION FOLLOWING GENERAL PLAN
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APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD.AND I MUST ALSO ADD THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS THE RIGHT AT THAT TIME TO, UH, PLAY CERTAIN CONDITIONS ON THE SUBDIVISION THAT ARE REASONABLE CONDITIONS.
UH, IN ADDITION TO APPROVING THAT SUBDIVISION, THE DEVELOPER THEN HAS THE DISCRETION ANYTIME THEREAFTER, UH, THAT GENERAL PLAN APPROVAL IS OBTAINED TO, UH, SEEK FINAL PLAN APPROVAL FROM THIS BOARD.
THE CAVEAT WITH FINAL PLAN APPROVAL IS THAT IF IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT MADE AT THE TIME, A REQUEST IS MADE TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, THEN THE DEVELOPER'S REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF SURETY BOND OR GUARANTEE THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE WITHIN A SPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THE LAND USE ORDINANCE PROVIDES, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPER TO DO THAT THROUGH EITHER THE POSTING OF A BOND OR CASH OR A LETTER OF CREDIT FROM A BANK.
AND WHAT THE ORDINANCE SPECIFIES IS THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BE ITEMIZED IN TERMS OF A LIST AND THAT THE DOLLAR VALUE OF THAT SURETY BE EQUAL TO 120% OF THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE ADD AN INFLATIONARY GUARD AS PART OF THAT, UH, APPROVAL MR. DODD HAS, UH, INDEED PROVIDED THAT, UH, SURETY GUARANTEE TO US.
HE HAS YET TO COMPLETE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, MANY OF WHICH DEAL WITH THE BUFFER AREAS AND THE OPEN SPACE IN THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, I DO HAVE A VIDEO, UH, OF A SUBDIVISION.
IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING IT TONIGHT, I'D BE GLAD TO SHOW IT TO YOU AS SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEEN HAVE BEEN MADE.
UH, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO TELL THE BOARD IS THAT, UM, IT HAS BEEN THE TRADITION OR THE CUSTOM IN THE PAST TO APPROVE FINAL PLANS.
IF THE DEVELOPER HAS PROVIDED THE NECESSARY GUARANTEES, THE ORDINANCE DOES SAY, HOWEVER THAT IT IS AT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN'S DISCRETION, THAT THEY MAY NOT DECIDE TO ACCEPT A LETTER OF CREDIT, BUT MAY ACTUALLY REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, BEFORE THEY WILL APPROVE THE FINAL PLAN.
IN ESSENCE, FINAL PLAN GIVES THE, THE DEVELOPER, THE AUTHORITY TO SELL LOTS.
SO AT THIS TIME HE DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONVEY PROPERTY WITH YOUR, UH, FINAL PLAN APPROVAL.
AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT REGISTERING OF THE SUBDIVISION WITH THE REGISTER OF DEEDS OFFICE, THE RECORDING, UH, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONVEY PROPERTY, UH, BUT UNTIL FINAL PLAN APPROVAL IS OBTAINED, HE CANNOT DO THAT.
UH, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, GO OVER SPECIFIC ISSUES.
WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE? AND THEY WERE HOW MANY MONTHS THAT HE HAD TO DO IT IN 12 MONTHS.
DID YOU SAY 12 MONTHS IS THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT IS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE? UH, WHEN A LETTER OF CREDIT IS, IS ISSUED WITHIN A 12 MONTH PERIOD, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THOSE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS ACCORDING TO ORDINANCE.
SO THE LETTER OF CREDIT FROM THE BANK IS GOOD FOR A 12 MONTH PERIOD.
AND IN ESSENCE, IF IN THE END OF 12 MONTHS, MR. NAN WERE NOT TO COMPLETE HIS IMPROVEMENTS IN THEORY, THE CITY COULD USE THAT MONEY AND GO IN AND PUT, MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR HIM.
UM, WE HAVE TYPICALLY RECEIVED, UH, MOST OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BOARD HAVE LETTERS OF PREDATOR, PERFORMANCE, BONDS ATTACHED TO THEM.
IT IS NOT, UH, ATYPICAL FOR A SUB, UH, A DEVELOPER, NOT TO HAVE IMPROVEMENTS IN PLACE AT THE TIME, UH, HE REQUESTS FINAL PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, AND AS I SAID WITH THE GUARANTEE, UH, THE CITY HAS FELT IN THE PAST COMFORTABLE RANDY FINAL PLAN APPROVAL, UH, WITHOUT, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS ACTUALLY BEING COMPLETED.
HOW LONG OF A PERIOD OF TIME DO YOU THINK IT'S BEEN IN JUST GENERAL TERMS, UH, IN REGARDS TO HOW LONG HE'S HAD TO HAVE HAD THEM IN PLACEMENT NOW, IS THIS AN EXTRAORDINARILY LONG TIME OR AVERAGE TIME OR NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
UM, WHAT HAPPENS IS AFTER GENERAL PLAN APPROVAL, UH, THE DEVELOPER CAN PROCEED WITH HIS IMPROVEMENT, SEE THAT DEALS WITH THE CLEARING OF THE LAND, THE INSTALLATION OF WATER AND SEWER ELECTRIC, UH, STREETS, CURB, AND GUTTER, ALL OF THOSE THINGS DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
HE'S GOT TO GET ALL OF HIS PERMITS IN PLACE, AND THAT CAN VARY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE CONTRACTOR TO PERFORM THE SERVICE, UH, THE WEATHER, UH, THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT CAN IMPACT, UH, HIS ABILITY TO GET THE LINE OF CREDIT NECESSARY, TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE'S A MYRIAD OF THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE, UH, THAT FACTOR INTO HOW LONG IT TAKES.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE COME IN, UH, THEY'VE GOTTEN GENERAL PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, THE NEXT AVAILABLE BOARD OF ALDERMEN MEETING.
THEY'VE SOUGHT FINAL PLAN APPROVAL BEFORE THEY'VE EVEN CLEARED THE LAND.
AND THEY'VE PROVIDED A LETTER OF CREDIT FOR THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO COVER THE COSTS.
OTHER DEVELOPERS, UH, HAVE FOUND IT
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INCREASINGLY MORE DIFFICULT TO APPROACH TO GO TO BANKS AND OTHER LENDING INSTITUTIONS TO, TO GET THE LETTER OF CREDIT.SO THE INCENTIVE HAS BEEN TO MAKE AS MANY IMPROVEMENTS UPFRONT BEFORE YOU GO TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, BECAUSE THEY REALIZE IF THE IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T MADE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT SURETY.
UM, SO IT VARIES, UM, FROM A MATTER OF A FEW WEEKS TO, IT CAN BE A YEAR.
WE STILL HAVE A SUBDIVISION, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.
THEY HAD, THEY'VE ONLY BUILT ABOUT FOUR HOUSES IN A, ABOUT A 27 LOT SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE MARKET HAS BEEN SLOW AND THEY STILL HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE.
AND WE ARE HOLDING AN ESCROW IN ACCOUNT FOR TREE PLANTING THAT IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY OTHER SITUATIONS IN WHICH YOU HAD TO, AND WHICH THE DEVELOPER DID NOT REALLY MEET THE 12 MONTHS DEADLINE OR THAT YOU'VE HAD TO LEAN ON TO GET THAT DEADLINE MET? TO MY KNOWLEDGE NOW, NOT IN THE SEVEN YEARS THAT WE, THAT I HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN THE SUBDIVISION ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE NOT HAD, WE'VE HAD A FEW SITUATIONS WHERE LETTERS OF CREDIT HAD BEEN EXTENDED, BUT THOSE HAVE BEEN IN SITUATIONS WHEN, UH, THEY'VE AMENDED THE PLATS AND INCLUDED MORE LOTS THAN THEY HAD INITIALLY ASKED FOR AND HAD GONE TO THE BOARD AND SAID, I WANT TO REVISE THE FINAL PLAN FOR THE ADDITION OF THESE X NUMBER OF LOTS.
AND THEY'VE GOTTEN THE LETTER OF CREDIT EXTENDED.
BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'VE NEVER HAD A SITUATION WHERE AT THE END OF THAT 12 MONTH PERIOD, WE'VE HAD TO EXERCISE OUR RIGHT TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER HAS CHOSEN NOT TO MR. UH, VILLAGE IN THE WOODS, HAVE A SPOKESMAN WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT THE VILLAGE IN THE WOODS COMMENTS CONCERNING THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IF HE COULD BE HEARD NOW, THIS IS A GOOD TIME.
GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, BOARD OF ALDERMAN, I'M ROB MUTUAL.
AND I RESIDE AT 8 0 1 DEERFOOT CIRCLE, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE IN THE WOODS SUBDIVISION.
AND I'VE BEEN ASKED BY A NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE EXISTING VILLAGE IN THE WOODS SUBDIVISION TO COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, AND TO PRESENT OUR CONCERNS, UH, AS YOU CONSIDER FINAL APPROVAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE FEEL THAT THE EXISTING VILLAGE IN THE WOODS SUBDIVISION IS ONE OF THE NICEST AND SAFEST, MOST CONVENIENT AND FAMILY ORIENTED NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF NEWARK.
UH, OUR COMMUNITY CURRENTLY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 68 HOMES.
HOWEVER, WE FEEL THAT THE CURRENT SUBDIVISION PLAN IS IT'S A FINAL APPROVAL TONIGHT, UH, RISKS SUFFERING OR PRESENTING SERIOUS IMPACTS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, WE WANTED TO BRING THOSE CONCERNS TO YOU TONIGHT.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE DUNK CONSTRUCTION COMPANY HAS, UH, OBTAINED A DESIGNATION FOR A PLANT UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS AREA.
IT WAS CURRENTLY AN RTN, UH, ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOT SIZE FOR EACH LOT IN DEVELOPMENT.
NOW, UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT SCHEME, HE IS ABLE TO HAVE SMALLER LOTS WITH THE ADDITION OF AN OPEN SPACE AND A COMMON AREA FOR USE BY THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION.
UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT APPROXIMATELY HAS THROWN APPROXIMATELY 75% OF THOSE LOTS IN THIS BACK.
PART OF THE SUBDIVISION ARE LESS THAN THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT SIZE.
IT'S NORMALLY PRIOR FOR ART 10, UH, 82 LOTS ARE PLANNED TO BE CRAMMED BACK INTO THIS AREA IN THE BACK OF THE SUBDIVISION.
AND, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I THINK THE CONCERNS THE RESIDENTS HERE ARE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CERTAINLY COMPARABILITY ISSUES WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SMALLER BITE SIZES AND THE FACT THAT THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT ON A SMALLER LOT.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE COMPARABLE IN THEIR CONCERN ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES.
UH, ANOTHER ISSUE TOO, I GUESS, IS THAT I'VE, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF RESIDENTS COMMENT ON THE FACT THAT THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF AT THE TIME THIS PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATION ISSUE CAME UP BEFORE THE BOARD DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY RECEIVED ADEQUATE NOTICE AND A WOOD WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS OR, OR EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS AT THAT TIME IN LARGER NUMBERS.
AND JUST REALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT THEY WERE GIVEN ADEQUATE NOTICE BY THE DEVELOPER OR BY THE SEA.
A SECOND BIG CONCERN THAT WE HAVE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS A TRAFFIC AREA.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE DOWN AMHURST ROAD DURING PEAK DRIVING HOURS AND TRY TO TAKE A LEFT-HAND OR RIGHT-HAND TURN FOR THAT MATTER OUT ON THE BLOOMSBURY ROAD, BUT IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY TERRIBLE.
AND, UH, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, THAT'S GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH 82 NEW HOMES THAT ARE GONNA GO IN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE ENTRANCE TO, AND ONE EXIT FROM THAT SUBDIVISION.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE TRYING TO GET OUT THERE
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WITH A TRAFFIC LIGHT.WE'RE AFRAID THERE'S GOING TO CREATE A MESS, UH, IN ORDER TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THESE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
UH, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER APPROVAL FOR THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER TO, UH, CONSTRUCT ANOTHER ROADWAY ACCESS INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED, UH, I'VE HEARD THAT IT'S POSSIBLE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO GET AN EASEMENT, A PROCESS PROPERTY OVER TO SOME PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN PURCHASED BY THE CITY AROUND THE REC CENTER AREA AND OUT ONTO PINE TREE DRIVE.
AND WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS BE ACCOMPLISHED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, SO THAT THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING BACK ON WILL DAMAGE THE EXISTING AMHURST ROAD AREA AND CREATE CYCLING CONCERNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE REALIZED THAT THE SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO BE BUILT AND WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, BUT, UH, AS WE'VE BEEN TOLD TONIGHT, IT IS WITHIN THE BOARD'S POWER TO, UH, ACTUALLY DEFER, APPROVING THIS FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL SOME OF THESE DEFICIENCIES HADN'T BEEN CORRECTED.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER BRIEFLY WITH YOU.
A FEW OF THE DEFICIENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
NUMBER ONE IS POINTING OUT THE CLEAN UP OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AT PRESENT ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AT THE TIME, SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS ARE DOING THE WORK THAT THERE WAS SOME DAMAGE DONE TO OWNERS PROPERTIES WHO PARALLEL AMHERST ROAD AND LANDSCAPING ALONG THESE PROPERTY LINES HAVE BEEN, UH, DAMAGED, UH, THEIR PROBLEM, SEDIMENTATION PROBLEMS WITH EROSION THERE.
AND THESE PEOPLE SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME AND MONEY AND EFFORT IN MAKING THE YARDS LOOK NICE AND WE BELIEVE IT WOULD, SHOULD REALLY BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO SEE THAT THESE PROBLEMS ARE, AND THAT THE DAMAGES REPAIRED.
ALSO, I KNOW THAT CURB AND GUTTER AREAS DUE TO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN FILLING UP WITH SEDIMENT AND DIRT AND CAUSING SOME BACK-UP THE STORM SEWERS I LIVED AS FAR AS TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE'VE NOTICED AN INCREASE IN SEDIMENTATION BUILD UP IN OUR CURB AND GUTTER AREAS.
AND WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS OUGHT TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.
A SECOND ISSUE IS CREATION OF THE 20 FOOT REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE THERE'S CONSIDERABLE DEBRIS IN BETWEEN.
AND THE BUFFER AREAS BETWEEN THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS YOU'VE GOT DEAD TREES, TREES HAVE BEEN TALKING TO HURRICANES AND FALLING OR CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS AND FALLEN TREES.
AND WE JUST REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT ALL BE CLEANED UP.
IF IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST GOING TO HINDER GROWTH IN THE BUFFER AREA.
WE FEEL LIKE DEVELOPER ALSO ALL THE PLANT AND YOU BUSHES OR TREES THAT ARE GONNA RE UH, PROVIDE THE ONE STORY LANDSCAPE AREA.
UH, NEXT WEEK, THERE'S AN UNAPPROVED DRAINAGE DITCHES LOCATED BACK THERE DURING CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
THIS DRAINAGE DITCH WAS DUG, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY CONNECTED TO AN APPROVED CITY DRAINAGE DITCH.
WE FEEL LIKE THIS OUGHT TO BE FILLED IN AND CORRECTED CREATES A VERY UNSIGHTLY APPEARANCE AND HAS CREATED SOME EROSION PROBLEMS. IT MAY CREATE LONG-TERM EROSION PROBLEMS WITH THE CITY DITCH AND FOR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, NEXT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE EXISTING PILES OF DIRT BACK ON THE DEVELOPMENT, BE GRADED DOWN TO THE SURFACE.
IT AGAIN IN THE MIDDLE PORTION CREATES A VERY UNSIGHTLY APPEARANCE APPEARANCE.
AND IN THE BUFFER AREA, UH, POINT UP OF THE COMMON AREA OUT OCCUR, UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FOCAL POINT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WITH VARIOUS CONSTRUCTION, DEBRIS AND TREES.
AND THERE ARE SOME PRETTY, UH, THERE'S SOME TREES OUT THAT ARE SURELY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAND AND LIVE.
I NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND FINALLY, THE, UH, PROTECTION FOR THE STORM WATER DETENTION ON THIS OUT AT THE BACK OF THE DEVELOPMENT WE BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THIS IS A 17,000 SQUARE FOOT STORM WATER DETENTION POND.
UH, IT'S LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT 10 FEET FROM THE ROADWAY AND 10 FEET FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY, UH, AND ADJACENT TO THOSE RESIDENTS WHERE THE RESIDENCE IS, WILL BE THE, A DETENTION POND IS NOT PROTECTED BY ADEQUATE SECURITY, FENCING OR LANDSCAPING.
UH, WE FEEL LIKE THAT THIS WAS GOING, COULD CREATE LIABILITY PROBLEMS AND DANGER FROM CHILDREN BACK THERE IN THE AREA.
WE, UH, WE ALSO ARE CONCERNED THAT THE DETENTION POND WILL BECOME A BREEDING GROUND FOR MOSQUITOES AND WILL ATTRACT SNAKES.
IT'S ALSO RIGHT ACROSS THE TREE LINE FROM THE REC CENTER.
AND, UH, WE FEEL THAT THERE COULD BE SOME LIABILITY CONCERNS, BOTH FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION THAT TAKES OVER, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN IT'S COMPLETED IN CLOSING THE VILLAGE WOOD'S RESIDENCE, FEEL I IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO BE AWARE OF HIS CONCERNS AND NEIGHBORHOOD HAS.
AND WHEN YOU BRING THESE ITEMS TO YOUR ATTENTION, WE WOULD, UH, ASK THAT THE CORRECTIONS BE MADE AND NOT ALLOW POSTING OF THE BOND, BECAUSE THAT WOULD JUST DELAY THE INEVITABLE ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES REALLY NEED
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TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT POTENTIAL HARM.SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU DEFER APPROVAL UNTIL THESE MATTERS ARE ADDRESSED, AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE A WITHDRAWAL OF ANY AUTHORITY TO MARKET THOSE LOTS UNTIL THE PROBLEMS ARE CORRECTED.
NOW, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS, GREG, UH, DOES THE DEVELOPER, EXCUSE ME, I'M A COMMUNICATOR AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE AREAS THAT THEY'RE, THAT HE'S ADDING ON TO NOT USUALLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TO ME, IT'S JUST, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNICATION THAT HAS NEEDED TO BE DONE HERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE GET THE PIECES OF IT WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO EITHER LETTING THE GUY GO AHEAD, WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT WHAT'S STOPPING HIM.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF THESE PEOPLE HAD ALL THESE CONCERNS THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE SAT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THEM AND ADDRESS SOME OF THEM ALONG THE WAY, AND YET SOME ASSURANCES FROM HIM THAT EVEN AFFAIRS ARE NOT, NOT FOUND IT OR NOT REAL, OR ELSE THEY ARE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY GET TO US, WHERE, WHERE WERE THEY WAS THAT THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, AS TO WHETHER HE'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OR NOT MEAN, AND YEAH, THE STAFF CERTAINLY, UM, HAS TALKED TO MR. DON ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP BY RESIDENTS.
UH, I KNOW MR. MATTINGLY HAS MET WITH MR. DON AND TALK WITH HIM.
UM, MR. DON HAS INDICATED THAT HE DOES INTEND TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, OUR DIFFICULTY IS, UH, THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HE IS NOT REQUIRED TO MAKE THEM WHEN HE COMES TO PETITION BEFORE YOU FOR FINAL PLAN APPROVAL.
UH, IT WAS CERTAINLY OUR URGING FOR HIM TO TRY AND ACCOMPLISH AS MUCH OF THIS.
WE ADVISED HIM TO TRY AND ACCOMPLISH AS MUCH OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS, THIS CHECKLIST OF ITEMS BEFORE HE CAME BEFORE THE BOARD.
UH, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, MR. DON HAS CHOSEN NOT TO DO THAT AND TO PROVIDE THE LETTER OF CREDIT, WHICH HE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO HIS BEST TO DOWN HERE TONIGHT.
WOULD YOU, WHAT'D YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THIS OR NOT? UM, G JEAN DONE I'M OUT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND FOR WHAT I HAVE HEARD THE SPOKESMAN SAY, I THINK EVERYTHING HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.
EVERYTHING THAT HE HAS ASKED TO DO HAS BEEN EITHER DONE OR WITH A WRITTEN GUARANTEE WITH A CASH BOND GUARANTEE THAT IT WILL BE DONE.
WE HAVE, UH, GIVEN THE, UH, STREET OUT THROUGH THE OTHER SIDE IN DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE WE HAVE REALLY DONE OVER 90% OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IN DOLLAR WISE, WE PUT IN WATER AND SEWER, WE PUT IN STREETS, WE PUT IN CURBING GUTTER, WE'VE DONE A RIGHT, MUCH CLEAR.
AND I REALLY CAN'T SEE THE PROBLEM THAT DESSA IS ARISING.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE.
WE HAVE, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS WORKED WITH ME.
THEY, WE KNOW WHAT THEY WANT, THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT OF ME.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE SORT OF A PRECEDENT FOR Y'ALL TO SAY, LOOK, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO APPROVE THIS THING FOR FOUNDERS FINAL DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO BE A PART OF VILLAGE WOODS.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T REQUIRE WHY, HOW IS IT TO DO THIS? WHEN DID THESE OTHER PEOPLE, THAT OUR DEVELOPERS WE'VE GOT OUR GUARANTEES IN WRITING, BACKED BY BRANCH BANK AND TRUST COMPANY.
AND THE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE.
I MEAN, THEY WON'T BE MADE, YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK, BUT THEY WILL DEFINITELY BE MADE IN A YEAR.
AND WE WANT TO S YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE START SELLING LOTS, THERE'LL BE SOME HOUSES BUILD.
AND THIS ONE WOULD JUST MOVE IT ALONG A LITTLE FASTER.
LET ME, UH, GREG, DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY DIFFERENTIATION IN THE LIST OF THINGS THAT I'VE GOT, TRYING TO GET OVER COLD BY THE WAY? SO I CAN'T HEAR, I CAN'T SMELL.
AND SO I MIGHT LOSE MY VOICE WAS OPENING, BUT, UH, DO YOU SEE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE LIST OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD, UH, A SENSE OF SOME OF IT IS AFFECTING THEIR STANDARD OF LIVING RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT AS THIS THING IS BEING DEVELOPED, AND SOME
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OF IT MAY AFFECT IT IN THE FUTURE.I SEE A SORT OF A DUAL LIST OR AN EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S A DRAINAGE PROBLEM OR WHATEVER IT IS TAKING PLACE NOW, BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S AN IMMEDIATE PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH.
IF WE LET IT CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT YEAR WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT, RIGHT.
PLANNING, A BUFFER THAT MAY COME, OR, YOU KNOW, OR ELSE WE TAKE THE MONEY AND PLANNING OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE ANOTHER SITUATION.
BUT, UH, CERTAINLY I THINK PART OF THE, I THINK THE REALITY HERE IS THAT ANYTIME YOU DO LAND DEVELOPMENT ISSUE KNOW DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, THERE'S A PERIOD WHEN IT'S, IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE TO PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC, UH, YOU'VE GOT THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THERE, YOU'VE GOT THE EARTH MOVING, THAT'S TAKING PLACE, UH, THE TREE CLEARING, AND IT IS NOT A PRETTY SIGHT.
UH, IT IS DEVELOPMENT IN AND OF ITSELF.
WE CAN SEE THAT ON THE 300 BLOCK OF MIDDLE STREET, UH, IT'S MESSY FOR AWHILE.
UH, I THINK, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, EFFORTS COULD BE MADE, UH, UM, IMMEDIATELY TO, TO REMEDY SOME OF THE CONCERNS IN TERMS OF, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE DRAINAGE ISSUE IS ONE THAT CERTAINLY COULD TAKE PLACE.
UH, THE DRAINAGE DITCH THAT THE GENTLEMAN REFERRED TO THAT WAS CUT INTO THE EARTH.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING AND TALKING WITH MR. DON, THAT WAS, UH, HE WAS NOT AWARE THAT THAT HAD BEEN DONE.
IT WAS A TEMPORARY THING THAT APPARENTLY WAS DONE.
IT'S STILL, THE DITCH IS STILL OUT THERE.
UM, I'VE GOT A VIDEO OF IT HERE.
UH, BUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
YOU SAY IT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TAKING CARE OF WELL
IS THERE IS OBVIOUSLY WE GOT TO, AS A MAN SAID IN THE MOVIE, IT FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAY, AS HE SAYS, HAS BEEN DONE, HE'D SAY IT HASN'T BEEN DONE.
I MEAN, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO ACT ON SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UH, BASED ON FACTS WHEN WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT, I THINK WHAT THE ISSUE IS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN MY MEMO REALLY HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS A LIST OF STUFF.
IT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED, BUT IN MY WAY OF THINKING AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CAUSE I'M NOT A LAND PLANNER OR ANYTHING ELSE, SOME OF THEM WOULD BE IN THE CATEGORY OF BEING ABLE AND SHOULD BE FIXED UP FRONT.
THEY MAKE LIFE EASY ON THE FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY LIVING OUT.
I GOT SOME THINGS, TRUCKS GOING BACK FORWARD TO SATURDAY, SATURDAY, YOU GOT TO LIVE WITH THAT.
THAT'S CALLED PROGRESS, CONSTRUCTION, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT AND SO FORTH.
BUT IF NOTHING IS BEING DONE THAT BACK THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THEN, THEN SOMETHING IS BEING DONE OR WHATEVER.
AND THIS IS WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF HERE.
I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES IN THIS WHOLE SITUATION, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE OPEN SPACE, THAT IS A, THERE'S A CENTRAL SPACE THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR PLAN.
THIS AREA, THE INTENT HERE IS THAT THIS AREA WILL BE GRADED.
THE DEAD TREES, THE STUMPS, THE, ALL OF THE DEBRIS UNDERBRUSH WILL BE REMOVED AND A PATHWAY SYSTEM WILL BE INSTALLED.
SO IT CAN BECOME A RECREATIONAL AREA.
RIGHT NOW, THIS SITE IS CHARACTERIZED BY CHANGES OF GRADE THERE'S LARGE HOLES THAT NEED TO BE FILLED.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS STUMPS TREE BRANCHES, DEAD TREES IN THIS AREA.
IT IS NOT BY ANY MEANS INDICATIVE OF AN AMENITY TO THE SUBDIVISION.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY I GUESS IT'S, IT'S MR. DUNN'S CALL AS, AS SOMEONE WHO'S REVIEWING SUBDIVISIONS AND WHO HAS ADVOCATED TO MR. DON, THIS OPEN SPACE CONCEPT, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS.
UH, INITIALLY BEFORE YOU START SELLING LOTS TO CLEAN UP YOUR OPEN SPACE TO MAKE YOUR AMENITY LOOK GOOD.
IF YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR LOTS, BECAUSE WHO'S GOING TO BUY A LOT NEXT TO THAT AND REALIZE THAT WELL, YEAH, MAYBE IT'LL LOOK GOOD SOMEDAY, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCKS COMING IN, THEY'RE CLEARING IT OUT AND FILLING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME TO BE IN MY BEST INTEREST AS A LANDOWNER, TO, TO CLEAN UP THE AREA BEFORE I SOLD MY LOSS.
UH, NOW CERTAINLY MR. DON IS THE SEASONED DEVELOPER.
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I AM NOT, I, AND HE CERTAINLY HAS TO MAKE THAT CALL, UM, IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, HOWEVER, HE'S PROVIDED THE BOND TO SAY, HE'S GOING TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.I THINK THAT THE MAJOR, THE MAJOR ISSUE I THINK IS, IS, IS PROBABLY THE BUFFER AREA ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING VILLAGE WOULD SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S THE AREA THAT IMMEDIATELY IMPACTS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALONG THAT AREA.
THERE ARE DEAD TREES AND THEY ARE SOME OF WHICH WERE FROM THE HURRICANES.
THERE'S A LOT OF BRANCHES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THAT CERTAINLY COULD AFFECT SOMEONE'S OR PERCEIVED SOMEONE'S PERCEPTION OF PROPERTY VALUES BECAUSE THIS AREA HAS THIS APPEARANCE, UH, THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THERE WAS NO SILT FENCE UP PRESENTLY.
SO ANYTIME WE HAVE A MAJOR RAIN EVENT, SILT IS BUILDING UP IN THAT DITCH AND THE CITY DITCH WILL HAVE TO BE CLEANED.
I THOUGHT HE WAS MISAEL FENCE OR WHATEVER.
NOW THAT'S, THAT IS WHAT THEY SEDIMENTATION EROSION CONTROL PLAN AS WAS INDICATED.
THIS DITCH WAS NOT A PART OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
THIS WAS A MAKESHIFT DISH, WHICH WAS PRESUMABLY ADDED BY THE CONTRACTOR WHO INSTALLED THE STREETS TO ELIMINATE AN IMMEDIATE PROBLEM OF WATER GOING ON TO THE STREET.
HE HAD NO AUTHORIZATION TO DO THAT.
THE REQUIREMENT IS HE HAS TO REMOVE THAT DITCH.
SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL IS THAT THAT DITCH HAS TO GO BECAUSE IT WAS NOT AUTHORIZED.
UM, I THINK THE BUFFER AND THE, THE DITCH ARE TWO ISSUES.
NOW, AS PEOPLE START MOVING INTO THE SUBDIVISION, CERTAINLY THE ISSUE OF THE RETENTION PLAN WITH A FENCE AROUND IT BECOMES AN ISSUE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE MOVING IN, LIVING IN THE AREA, MR. DON HAS INDICATED THAT BY AUGUST 1ST, HE WILL HAVE A FENCE AROUND THE RETENTION POND BECAUSE IT IS HIS INTENTION TO, UH, ASK THE CITY TO ACCEPT THE RETENTION POND FOR MAINTENANCE.
IT HAS OUR REQUIREMENT FOR ACCEPTING THAT POND.
WE REQUIRE THAT OFFENSE BE INSTALLED AROUND IT, AND IT'D BE LANDSCAPED ACCORDINGLY TO, TO, UH, IMPROVE IT VISUALLY.
UH, HE IS INDICATED THROUGH A LETTER TO US, A NOTARIZED LETTER THAT HE WILL HAVE THAT IMPROVEMENT COMPLETED BY AUGUST.
THE FIRST I INDICATED TO MR. DON THAT THE LETTER WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH THAT WE ALSO NEEDED HIS LETTER OF CREDIT TO COVER THAT COST IF HE WASN'T GOING TO COMPLETE IT.
AND HE HAS INDEED, UH, INCLUDED THE COST OF THE FENCE IN HIS LETTER OF CREDIT, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HIS INTENTION WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH TO PUT IT UP.
UH, SO SOME THINGS AS HE INDICATED WILL BE PUT UP, WE'LL BE DONE.
WELL, I MAY ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION AND WRECK YOUR NAME'S ON HERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN START AS POP OFF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE BEING ASKED TO BE DONE, LIKE THE BUFFER AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THIS AS BEST I CAN.
THESE, YOU HAVE ARGUED THAT THEY WOULD BRING BENEFIT TO THE GUY SELLING THE LOTS AND AS MOST HAVE DONE WELL.
AND THEY ALSO BRING BENEFIT OBVIOUSLY TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE PERSONALLY, THAT'S MY, THAT BENEFIT WILL BEGIN WHEN THE THING IS BUILT AND IT WILL NOT BE ANY BENEFIT.
AND THEREFORE WILL BE A LACK OF BENEFIT ALL DURING THAT TIME, I MUST HAVE DONE, MIGHT DECIDE THAT HE CAN'T SELL HIS, THAT HE CAN SELL HIS LIFE JUST AS WELL WITHOUT THE BUFFER OR WHATEVER, JUST FOR ARGUING PURPOSES.
BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT THERE WOULD PROBABLY SAVE IT, THAT IT DOESN'T THE LONGER THEY GO WITHOUT THE BUFFER.
THE MORE, UH, ABSOLUTELY DAMAGE IS DONE TO THEM EITHER, EITHER, EITHER AESTHETICALLY OR REAL OR WHATEVER.
SO, UH, I MEAN, ONE THING YOU CAN WEIGH IN THE SCALES AND THE OTHER THING YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN THE SCALE.
SO ANYWAY, UH, YOU ALLUDED TO A SECOND EASEMENT FOR A ROAD INTO THIS PROPERTY.
WHERE IS, UH, IF YOU LOOK UP ON THE, UH, NEAR THE RETENTION POND UP ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THERE NEAR THE WEST NEWBURN REC, YOU'LL SEE AN AREA, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULDN'T REVIEW THIS PLAN DID HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
AND WE REQUIRED MR. DON AT THAT TIME TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL AREA RESERVED FOR A FUTURE ROAD EXTENSION.
AND THAT IS PROVIDING WELL, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUSH THIS ROAD OUT? THAT'S MY QUESTION IS THE IDEA HERE WAS WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THE DEVELOPER.
HE, AS A DEVELOPER, WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP A ROAD OUTSIDE OF HIS PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.
INITIALLY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUSH THIS ROAD? YOU WILL COME OUT BY THE RECREATION CENTER OVER HERE ON PINE TREE.
THE IDEA WAS WE HAD, WE HAD TO DETERMINE SOME LOCATION TO PUT IT THAT IS ADJACENT TO PROPERTY.
THAT IS, IT IS NOT THE REC CENTER, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY PROPERTY.
THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE REC CENTER, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY THAT
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THE CITY HAS PURCHASED FOR THE SWIM SWIMMING POOL AREA.AT THE TIME, THIS PLAN WAS DEVELOPED, THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE BOARD'S ACTION ON THE SWIMMING POOL LOCATION.
AND THAT WAS PROPERTY THAT WAS OF ALL THE PROPERTY THAT WAS AVAILABLE FOR A POSSIBLE EXTENSION.
THAT WAS THE PROPERTY THAT SEEMED THE MOST FEASIBLE BECAUSE IT WAS PROPERTY THAT WAS DEVELOPABLE.
THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THAT IS PRIMARILY WETLAND AREAS AND THAT ABUTS THE WINN-DIXIE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO THERE WAS REALLY NO OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AN ACCESS IN THAT LOCATION.
OF COURSE, U S 70, ABUTS IT ON ONE SIDE AND THEN THE EXISTING VILLAGE WOULD SHOPPING CENTER.
SO THIS PROPERTY LAND, WHICH AT THAT TIME WAS OWNED BY MR. PRIDGEN, UH, APPEARED TO BE THE BEST LOCATION FOR A POSSIBLE ROAD CONNECTION SHOULD MR. PRIDGEN DEVELOP HIS PROPERTY.
AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT WHEN MR PRIDGEN DEVELOPED HIS PROPERTY, WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT A ROAD LINKAGE BE CREATED SO THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE A CONNECTION THAT WOULD THEN PROVIDE ANOTHER ACCESS OUT TO PINE TREE DRIVE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU GONNA TAKE IT AND PUT IT ALONGSIDE A BASEBALL FIELD AND KIDS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SUBJECT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO, BECAUSE IF IT COMES UP, THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER FIGHT ABOUT PEOPLE NOT WANTING THAT ROAD CUT IN.
WELL, THERE, THERE WERE, THERE WAS NOT A, ANY DISCUSSION THAT THE ROAD WOULD HAVE TO NECESSARILY ABUT THE RECREATION CENTER.
UH, THERE CERTAINLY COULD BE A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENT SCHEMES ON THAT PARCEL OF LAND THAT COULD PROVIDE A LEAKAGE OUT.
FOR EXAMPLE, TO THE, UH, BETWEEN THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS.
THERE'S A, UH, THE KINDER AREA THERE.
UH, THERE'S ANOTHER ROAD ACCESS THERE.
I FORGET THE NAME OF THAT DRIVE.
WE'RE TALKING WITH SOME, WE'RE TALKING WITH SOME PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHT NOW IN THAT AREA, AT THAT, WHICH SECURE SOME ACCESS INTO THAT AREA TO, WELL, BEFORE WE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT A PROPERTY, I WAS ABOUT SECURE ACCESS.
LET'S TALK TO SOME PEOPLE ON THE BOARD BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES THAT WON'T HAVE TO FACE MUSIC AND WE'LL TRUST TAKE THEM ON THE ROAD IN THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THE SAME THING THESE FOLKS HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, YOU START PUTTING THAT TRAFFIC UP PINE TREE.
I GOT THE SAME PROBLEM THEY'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THAT SIDE OF THE DEVELOPER.
NOW, YOU WILL TRY TO PUSH THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT IF YOU WERE PEOPLE THAT GOT TO DEAL WITH IT, IT'S THEIR HOUSE THAT THEY'RE GOING BY AND TEARING UP THEIR PROPERTY VALUES.
SO, WELL, WHAT WE NEED STRANGELY ENOUGH IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE CHANGED OR DEVELOPED OR REARRANGED OR WHATEVER, I FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMEBODY ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE AND THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED TO SIT DOWN AND IRON THESE THINGS OUT AND TALK ABOUT THEM AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN THEY COME TO US WITH WHAT THE RESULT IS.
AND THEN IF THERE'S A DILEMMA LEFT AND WEEK, TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT, YOU KNOW, BUT WITH ALL THIS, EXCUSE ME, ONE TIME, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT CONCERN FOR REASONS REAL OR NOT REAL.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE REAL OR NOT.
I MEAN, KNOW JUST LIKE THEY DON'T, I GUESS, BUT, UH, WELL, I THINK INCREASINGLY AS, AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND AS DEVELOPABLE PARCELS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, ARE DEVELOPED THAT THIS ISSUE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO SEE OFTEN BECAUSE IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT VACANT TRACKS OF LAND THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPED AREAS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ANY TIME YOU DEVELOP THOSE TRACKS, YOU HAVE AN IMPACT.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN IMPLANT.
BUT THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THESE IMPACTS ARE ON AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SOMETIMES THERE ARE MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
PEOPLE ASK ME A LOT OF TIMES WHERE I WAS GOING ON WITH THIS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW MYSELF.
AND, UH, THIS IS PRETTY INTERESTING, MIKE, FOR ONE THING, Y'ALL DON'T KNOW, BUT WE GOT A LITTLE BOARD UP HERE THAT WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK, YOU MASH THE BUTTON.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT.
CAUSE I CAN'T SEE YOU RIGHT NOW.
IT SAYS IT NON MCDOWELL WANTS TO SPEAK SINCE HE'S BEEN GONE FOR SIX MONTHS, BUT IT MAY BE A MR. MADDEN.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE ISSUES MR.
MR. FEWTRELL DID A GREAT JOB REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE THINGS THAT ARE OF CONCERN TO THE NEIGHBORS, WE KNOW THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE FINISHED COMPLETED, BUT RIGHT NOW, UH, WE NEED THAT BUFFER AREA TO BE PLANTED AND RECONSTRUCTED TO THE, TO WHERE IT WOULD BECOME A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE OLD PAIGE BUFFER.
RIGHT NOW IT IS VERY, UH, THERE'S OPEN SPACES IN IT, WHICH, UH, DON'T SEPARATE
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THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS.AND THAT WAS THE IDEA OF THE BUFFER.
THERE'S BRUSHING THERE, WHICH NOT ONLY IS A FIRE HAZARD, BUT WILL HINDER ANY NATURAL GROWTH.
AND FROM, UH, BACK IN NOVEMBER, WHEN I ORIGINALLY SPOKE TO MR. DON AND HIS OFFICE, I CAN CONVEYED SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS TO HIM.
AND I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD EVER SINCE THAT TIME.
AND THE THINGS WE'RE ASKING FOR ARE NOT HARD TO DO.
HE JUST NEEDS TO GET SOME LABOR IN THERE TO CLEAN OUT THOSE BUFFER AREAS WITH THE DEAD TREES, THE BRUSH, AND SO FORTH.
SECONDLY, HE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT STORM WATER RETENTION POND, AND THAT'S A MAGNET FOR CHILDREN.
CHILDREN ARE GOING TO DROWN DOWN AND I DON'T KNOW WHOSE LIABILITY IS THAT THE CITY'S LIABILITY OR MR. GUNN'S LIABILITY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN HIS PLAN, WHICH SAYS I AM FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ACCIDENTS THAT OCCUR IN THAT, UH, DRAINAGE POND.
UH, ALREADY THERE HAVE BEEN CARS GOING BACK THERE.
AND IF YOU WENT BACK THERE TODAY, MAYBE MR. SCHOOL ASSAULT, THAT THERE WERE BEER BOTTLES BACK THERE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON OTHER THAN HOUSE HUNTER.
UH, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WORRY ABOUT.
THE BUFFER HAS TO BE COMPLETED.
THE DRAINAGE DITCH THAT WAS BUILT, WHICH WAS NOT APPROVED NEEDS TO BE CLEANED.
AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, UH, THE OF THEM HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NATURE.
IF WE WAIT FOR A YEAR FOR THE, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TAKE HIS BOND AWAY FROM HIM, BECAUSE HE'S PUT UP THIS BOND, WHICH LAST A YEAR DURING THAT YEAR, ALL THIS BUFFER COULD GROW AND TO GROW NATURALLY, PLUS WHATEVER THINGS HE WOULD ADD TO THE BOTTLE.
UH, WE WERE NOT ASKING THE IMPOSSIBLE.
THE BIGGEST SINGLE THING IS THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
AS I SAID, THE BUFFER AND THE SEDIMENT POND.
AND IT'S NOT JUST, UH, ME TALKING, I'D LIKE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS OF VILLAGE WOODS WHO HAVE COME HERE TO SEE WHAT THE BOARD WILL DO TO PROTECT THEIR COMPARABILITY VALUES AND TO ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPER DOES A QUALITY JOB AND DOES IT BEFORE AND GETS ALL THESE THINGS.
I THINK THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE THE BOARD GRANTS, FINAL PLAN APPROVAL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A SHOWING OF HANDS ARE THOSE, ALL THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLY IN OPPOSITION TO THE CHANGE IN THE ZONING CRITERIA TO ALLOW THE SMALLER LOTS TO BE APPROVED.
UH, IF THAT PLACE EVER GETS DEVELOPED, UH, IT PROBABLY WILL BE A NICE AREA, BUT WE'RE CONCERNED AND THERE'S TOO MUCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND WE'RE AFRAID THAT IF WE GOT GRANTED A YEARS MORATORIUM, THAT IT WON'T BE DONE PROPERLY, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW BECAUSE THE MAJOR PROBLEM, WHEN YOU PUT UP A BUFFER NOW WELL, I MEAN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE AMBULANCE BY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A DATE OR MR. MAYOR THE, UH, TO SHOW YOU A COMPARISON, THE WEATHER, SINCE MAY 23RD, WHEN THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO MR. GUNN, ADVISING HIM OF THE THINGS HE NEEDED TO DO, THERE HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTELY NO ATTEMPT TO DO ANY OF THESE THINGS OUT THERE FROM OBSERVATIONS OF FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THE CITY CAME OUT THERE AND PUT UP ALL THE LIGHT POLES IN THIS TIMEFRAME.
SO IF THE CITY CAN DO THAT AND THE WEATHER'S GOOD, HE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING TO LEVEL THE, THE, UH, DO THE LANDSCAPING OR DO ANYTHING WITH A BUFFER AS FAR AS CLEANING IT OUT.
SO HE'S HAD TWO WEEKS AND THERE HAS BEEN NO ACTION WHATSOEVER.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE FACT THAT THE GETTING TO DO WHAT HE'S BEEN REQUIRED TO DO.
AND HE HAS HAD AMPLE NOTICE AND HE'S HAD A RELATIVELY GOOD WEATHER AND THERE'S BEEN NO PROGRESS.
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THE GETTING TO FINISH THE IGNORED, COMPLETE ALL THE REQUIRED.AXIAL PROBABLY, I GUESS I GOT SOMETHING TO GET UP.
CAN I HAVE THE FULL, UH, FOR US ON THE BOARD? WE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE ONE TIME, NOT JUST WITH VILLAGE IN THE WOODS.
I GOT A FEELING THAT AS DEVELOPMENT GOES ON IN THE CITY, MORE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE SPRINGING UP AROUND EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR VALUES AND THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REQUIRE THAT THESE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE MAKING A PRETTY GOOD LIVING DEVELOPMENT PROPERTIES, HAVE EVERYTHING, THE BUFFERS AND WHATEVER'S NECESSARY IN PLACE TO PROTECT THEIR VALUES, AS WELL AS HIS MONEY THAT HE'S INVESTED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEY MADE AN INVESTMENT TO, DID YOU DEVELOP THE FIRST SECTION OF THIS, BUT THEY MADE SOME TREMENDOUS, PROBABLY MUCH BIGGER INVESTMENTS, PERSONAL INVESTMENTS IN YOU THAT YOU MADE, YOU GOT A NICE BUSINESS.
THAT'S MOST OF THEM, THEIR LIFE SAVINGS.
WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO TRY TO HELP PROTECT.
AND WE'RE BOTH SEE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, WELL, WE'VE GOT A MESS.
WE GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE AND THEY GOT CONCERNS AND IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO LISTEN TO THEM.
BUT THIS IS THE PROPER TIME RIGHT NOW, BEFORE WE GIVE YOU A FARM PLANT, WE WANT TO GET BRIGHAM TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS TONIGHT.
LEMME, LEMME, LEMME ASK YOU THIS, THAT SILK SCREENING.
I THINK YOU CALLED IT, IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT NANNY.
THESE PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, HAVE A, HAVE A FEAR OF ANY OF THIS AND THINGS NOT HAPPENING OR NOT HAPPENING SOON ENOUGH.
I MEAN THAT MUCH, I GOT SAD SO THAT IF I CAN SENSE.
SO I'M TRYING TO LOOK BACK AT, AT, AT, AT A, AT A, AT A MODUS OPERANDI HERE OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THIS THING.
IF THEY SEE IF THINGS HAVE BEEN TAKEN PLACE OR THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING PLACE AND TAKING PLACE WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING PLACE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN ONLY BASE FUTURE FEARS OF MY OWN ON WHAT WOULD THIS HAPPEN IN THE PAST.
SO I'VE TRIED TO SNIFF AROUND AND, AND FIGURE IT OUT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE IS BOND.
AND WE CAN SAY,
AND, YOU KNOW,
I'M JUST PICKING, PICKING OUT THE BUFFALO AREA RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WOULD BE AN INDICATION THAT IT'S TIME TO PUT THE BUFFER? I MEAN, IS IT A RETURN OR THE COMMENT, YOU KNOW, IS IT SOMETHING WE CAN ALL SEE? I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO GET, I STILL DON'T HAVE AN IDEA.
I CAN'T GET A HANDLE IF I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT MYSELF IN THEIR POSITION.
IF I LIVE THERE AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, WELL, KIDS, YOU CAN EXPECT THE BUFFER WITHIN FILL IN THE BLANK.
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MR. MAYOR, THIS IS THE GROWING SEASON.IF HE WAS, SINCE IF HE WOULD HAVE USE THIS GROWING SEASON TO PUT THE BUFFER IN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ACCEPTABLE, BUT HE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING TO PUT ANY EFFORT TOWARDS CLEANING OUT THE BUFFER OF ALL THE DEAD TREES.
AND SOPHIA, YOU SAY THAT THEY SHOULD BE PUT IN DURING THE GROWING SEASON.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHEN IT SHOULD BE GOOD IN
ARE YOU GOING TO PLAY AT SOME BOOSTS? I UNDERSTAND THAT.
WHAT I ASKED YOU IS, ARE YOU GOING TO VIEW ALL MY PLANTS AND BUSHES GREAT AND LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY IN
SO THERE IS, DO YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF A PLAN AND HE'D GIVEN HIM FOR PLANTING AND STUFF, DOES IT DIFFERENTIATE ON THERE? WHAT THESE THINGS ARE? BUSH ONE EACH, UH, SAT MORAVA.
I'M A ONE I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE THIS PLACE.
AND I'M SITTING RIGHT HERE UNTIL I FIGURE THIS IS THE KIND OF THING IT MAKES ME STAY UP ALL NIGHT AND TALK TO MYSELF.
I'M GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN A BUFFER IS GOING TO COME AND IT'S GOING TO BE IN A NARROW TIME SPAN IN 12 MONTHS.
ARE WE GOING TO SIT HERE? AND THE SUN COMES UP, MR. MAYOR, WHAT, UH, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, IF MR. DUNN IS INDICATED, HE'S GOING TO TRY HIS BEST IN 30 DAYS TO INSTALL THAT BUFFER ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING LOTS OF VILLAGE WOODS THAT ARE DEVELOPED IN SECTION THREE, THAT PERHAPS WHAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE WOULD BE TO SAY YOU DELAY FINAL PLAN APPROVAL FOR 30 DAYS.
UH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. DON IS TO HAVE THE BUFFER AREA CLEANED UP OF THE DEBRIS, THE DEAD TREES AND THE SUPPLEMENTAL PLANNING THAT IS NEEDED DONE WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, THAT DRAINAGE DITCH ISSUE THAT WE DISCUSSED, THAT IT HASN'T YET COMPLETED, THAT THAT BE COMPLETED AT THIS TIME WITHIN 30 DAYS, AND THAT THE RETENTION POND FENCE AND PLANTING ALSO BE DONE.
UH, AND THEN, I MEAN, IF YOU CHOSE, YOU COULD GO FURTHER WITH THAT, BUT THOSE SEEM TO BE SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE CONCERNS IN TERMS OF ABSOLUTE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK TO, TO, TO PLEASE PEOPLE, UH, THAT MAY BE A WAY OF GETTING THIS, MAKING SOME ACTION, TAKE PLACE AS SPECIFIED.
THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL, BUT I CAN SEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT THE BUFFER IS TO BE IN 30 DAYS, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE A STICK STICKING UP, OR IT'S GOING TO BE 10 BUSHES, OR, OR IS IT GOING TO BE, ACCORDING TO THE PLAN, YOU GOT A 78.6% OF THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THE ORDINANCE SPECIFIES.
IT HAS TO BE AN OPAQUE BUFFER.
WE'VE GOT A REQUIREMENT IN THE ORDINANCE OF WHAT CONSTITUTES AN OPAQUE BUFFER.
THE, THE, THE AREA HAS TO BE OPAQUE, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT FROM THE GROUND TO A HEIGHT OF SIX FEET WITHIN TWO GROWING SEASONS.
MR. DON HAS THE, UH, RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHATEVER SPECIES OF PLANTS, WHETHER IT BE A WAX MYRTLE, OR A RED TIP OR WHATEVER THAT WILL MEET THAT CRITERIA.
WE'RE NOT GOING, AND THEY CAN BE PLANTED IN THIS 30 DAY TIMEFRAME.
THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE PLANNING.
THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SATISFY THE BOTTOM.
WE HAVE INDICATED THE AREAS, UH, BY SAYING, UH, NEAR LOT SO-AND-SO, UH, WHERE THERE'S GAPS IN THE BUFFER THAT APPEAR TO ME NEED MORE PLANTING.
MR. DON, WOULD YOU AGREE TO THAT? UH
WE EVALUATED ON THE MERITS, MR. AND READ THE THING IF GOT THE LAST 15 YEARS
THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN MAY AUTHORIZE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.
AND THE SALE OF WATCH BEFORE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE ARE FULFILLED.
IF THE SUBDIVIDED PROVIDES A PERFORMANCE BOND,
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CASH FUNDS, A LETTER OF CREDIT, REAL ESTATE OF EQUAL VALUE OR OTHER SECURITY SATISFACTORY TO THE BOARD TO ENSURE THAT ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS WILL BE FULFILLED WITHIN NOT MORE THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER FINAL PRODUCT, WITHOUT PLAT APPROVAL IN GENERAL, SATISFACTORY SECURITY SHALL BE REASONABLY LIQUID AND GEL EQUAL 120% OF THE BAY.AND THE IMPROVEMENTS IT SAYS MAY AUTHORIZE
AND THIS BOARD HAS NOT PROVABLE TO MY MOM AT ANYTIME.
THAT'S THE REASON THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN IN A POST.
SHE ALLOWED TO SEE A LOT MORE.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THIS BOARD OF ALL THE MEN AND YOU NEED ANY OTHER BOARD OF MEN THAN I EVER DID.
I KNOWN ANYTHING ABOUT DO NOT MOST DEFINITELY DO NOT RUBBER STAMP ANYTHING.
AND I THINK THAT THE REASON PROBABLY THAT IT APPEARED ON CONSENT AGENDA IN THE PAST WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ANY CONCERN.
NOW, THE KIND OF CONCERN HAS BEEN EXPRESSED THE SAME THING, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING IT AND VOTING ON THAT.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUBBER STAMP IT BECAUSE YOU SAY WE RUBBER STAMP THAT.
SO, UM, WE THINK THAT WAS BETTER.
NO, PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT IF, IF WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THIS IN THIS MANNER, WHAT IT DOES IS JUST GENERATE NEGATIVE FEELINGS ABOUT THINGS.
THE THING THAT WE NEED TO DO IS DECIDE, AND I THINK THAT, WELL, MR. MADDEN MIGHT HAVE A EMOTION, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S GOOD TO RESOLVE THESE QUESTIONS OF FEELINGS BEFORE WE DO VOTE.
BUT FOR ANYTHING, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BEST OF ALL WORLDS WOULD BE FOR YOU TO DEVELOP YOUR OWN DEVELOP AND EVERYBODY BE HAPPY AND THEY WERE NOT.
YOU DID, WHAT WAS THAT? I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WILL ATTRACT THAT.
WELL, SEE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THOUGH, IS TO MAKE SURE, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS.
WE ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AND CITIZENS.
I WANT YOU TO SAY, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE IF THIS IS A PRECEDENT, WHAT WE WILL DO TONIGHT AND IT HASN'T BEEN DONE, THAT IS NOT BECAUSE OF ANY PARTICULAR, UH, PERSONALITIES, INDIVIDUALS, OR ANYTHING ELSE INVOLVED, JUST TO TRY TO MAKE A WINNING SITUATION OUT OF IT FOR THE DEVELOPER AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
THERE'S NO MORE TO IT PLAYING AND STUFF.
I MEAN, I, JOB IS NOT TO PUT A BAR ON THE PEOPLE'S SIDE.
MR. MAYOR, CAN I MAKE A MOTION? ABSOLUTELY.
I MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY FINAL PAYMENT PLAN APPROVAL UNTIL THE DEVELOPER COMPLETES ALL IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED BY THE CITY PLANNING OFFICE AND THE ORDINANCE TO ENSURE TO INCLUDE SECURITY AND MAINTENANCE OF THE RETENTION PUMP.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT AS MY MOTION.
YOUR MOTION IS THAT HE MUST DO ALL OF THE, ALL THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE PLANNING OFFICE, WHICH HE HAS BEEN GIVEN ADEQUATE TIME TO AT LEAST START AND HAS NOT YET DONE ANY OF THOSE MAJOR THINGS.
COULD WE, FIRST, BEFORE WE RESPOND TO THAT, I'M ALL CAUSE YOU LAY IN 30 DAYS FOR THE BUFFER AND OUGHT TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY.
COULD WE HAVE YOU PLEASE, GREG, TO TELL US WHAT THIS, ALL THAT, TO MAKE A REFERENCE TO THIS? I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT IF YOU WOULD REFER TO THE MEMO THAT I PROVIDED YOU, WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE ITEMS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, THESE ARE THE FIVE OF THE EIGHT THINGS THAT YOU WERE MAKING REFERENCE TO.
THERE WAS A FOUR PAGE MEMO TO YOU.
WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS THAT WE UNDERSTAND, OR THAT MR. DUNN UNDERSTANDS THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING ASKED OF HIM TO COMPLETE THAT THEY ENDED A PERIOD OF TIME SO THAT, UM, IF THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT HE COULD DO NOW AND MAYBE, UM, DO LATER, YOU KNOW, HAD TO COMPARE IT TO ALL LIKELY TO JUST BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT ALL THAT'S ALL, BUT ALL MEANS.
WELL, IF MR. MATTINGLY IS RE IS REFERRING TO THE LETTER THAT I PROVIDED, I'M ASSUMING TO MR. DON, WHICH OUTLINES THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, IF WE GO THROUGH THESE, SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT AS THIS, THIS LETTER IS DATED, MAY 22ND.
SOME OF THESE THINGS HE HAS SATISFIED, FOR EXAMPLE, ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH SAYS TWO COPIES OF THE STATE APPROVALS FOR YOUR SEDIMENTATION ROSHI CONTROLS, EXCUSE ME, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WHAT THINGS OUTSTANDING DEBT OUTSTANDING AMONG THE EIGHT THINGS THAT YOU'VE ASKED MR. DUNN TO DO? WHAT IS OUTSTANDING INCLUDES THE, UM,
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IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUFFER AREA THAT IS AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.UH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE GOING IN AND REMOVING ALL THE DEAD LIMBS, UH, THE DEAD TREES, UH, GOING IN AND PLANTING, UH, ADDITIONAL PLANTS IN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE GAPS IN THE BUFFER AREA.
IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE GRADING AROUND THE EDGE OF THE BUFFER AREA FROM THE POINT WHERE THE LOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SOLD BY MR. DON, TO THE BUFFER.
THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDUP OF, OF, UH, DIRT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED OUT.
UH, IT INVOLVES, UH, IN THE, THAT DITCH FILLING THAT DITCH, THAT WAS UNAUTHORIZED.
IT INVOLVES, UH, THE FENCE AROUND THE RETENTION POND AND THE PLANTING OF IF YOU'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE RETENTION POND.
NOW THIS IS THE RETENTION POND FOR THE, THE DITCH GOES INTO THE, THE MAIN CITY DITCH, THE MAIN STORMWATER POND.
UH, IT WOULD BE FENCING THAT AND PROVIDING THE SHRUBBERY AROUND THE FENCE, IT WOULD INVOLVE THE, UH, FILLING, GRADING, SEEDING, AND PLANTING OF TREES IN THE 3.27 ACRE OPEN SPACE AND THE INSTALLATION OF THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY, WHICH IS A GRAVEL PATHWAY.
THAT WOULD BE A LOOP AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT W THE SIDEWALK, UH, IS ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE THAT I WILL, UH, OKAY.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE THAT REALLY DOESN'T IMPACT THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SIDEWALK CAN BE DONE WHENEVER HE GETS TO THAT POINT IN HIS PLAN, A PLAN OF A DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE THINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED BEFORE, IF THOSE WERE DONE, WE WOULD, UH, SAY THAT, THEN WE CAN GO WITH FINAL PLAN APPROVED.
SO IF YOUR MOTION SPECIFIES THAT THESE FIVE THINGS ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU LEARNED, AND NOW WHAT ONE OF THOSE FAB THINGS WOULD BE, I WOULDN'T SAY UNREASONABLE, BUT HARDSHIP WOULD NOT REALLY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY WERE NOT DONE WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, BECAUSE THEY WERE HOLDING UP HIS APPROVAL TO SAY A LOTS UNTIL HE GETS ALL OF THIS DONE.
WE WANT THE SOFTWARE TO CUT BOTH WAVES.
I THINK THE, THE ISSUES THAT HAVE THE MOST IMPACT ARE THE CLEANING OF THE BUFFER AREA ALONG THE DITCH LINE, WHERE EXISTING VILLAGE IN THE WOODS SECTION THREE IS, WHICH IS THOSE AREAS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS NEW AREA? UH, ALL OF THE THINGS I LISTED THERE, UH, I THINK, UH, ALSO THE DITCH, THE TEMPORARY DITCH THAT WAS, UH, MADE THAT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED IN TERMS OF FILLING THOSE, I THINK WOULD BE A MAJOR AS WELL AS THE RETENTION POND, UH, WHICH THE FENCING AND THE STRAWBERRY.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK WOULD NOT BE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT CONCERN WOULD BE THE OAK, THE TREATMENT OF THE OPEN SPACE.
SO JESSE, THESE THREE THINGS OR DEFENSE ARE THE CLOSING OF THE DITCH AND A FENCE, THE FENCE AROUND THE
AND THE GRADING OF THE AREA AROUND THE BUFF.
THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE BUFFER IMPROVED WITH PILES OF DIRT.
NOW, IF TH IF THOSE THREE THINGS ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST NEEDED AND SATISFIED THE CONCERNS OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS, THEN I WOULD SECOND HIS MOTION.
IF IT INCLUDES THOSE THREE THINGS, IT SPECIFIES THOSE THREE THINGS AS THE THINGS THAT MR. DUNN WOULD NEED TO DO WITHIN THE PERIOD OF TIME.
WELL, UNTIL HE DOES IT, WE WILL NOT APPROVE THE FUNDING PLAN.
I THOUGHT HIS MOTION WAS THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT BE REQUIRED AND MAKE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS.
ARE YOU NARROWING? JUST THOSE THREE THINGS? THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS IS THE DISCUSSION PERIOD.
I, I THINK THAT THE, UH, CHOICE OF PHRASE RUBBER STAMP WAS JUST UNFORTUNATE AND I DON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST YOU.
I THINK THAT WAS JUST A SLIP THERE, CAUSE THIS IS A, WELL, THIS IS, UH, WE, WE DON'T RUBBER STAMP THESE ITEMS AND THEY USUALLY COME UP IN THE CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE THEY'RE USUALLY ROUTINE HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS.
AND THE ONLY REASON THIS ONE HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT AND BROUGHT IN UNDER THIS KIND OF SCRUTINY IS BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST TIME I RECALL SINCE I WAS FIRST ELECTED IN 1985, THAT ANYONE HAS BEEN HERE TO PROTEST IT.
THAT'S THE REASON, UM, THE ONE THING THAT BOTHERS
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ME MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY WE CAN DO ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT IS IT LOOKS LIKE THE LARGEST CUL-DE-SAC ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.AND I THINK YOU ARE PROBABLY IN THE UNFORTUNATE POSITION OF JUST HAVING TO BE THE, HAVING BEEN CHOSEN, THE FIRST OF A NUMBER OF DEVELOPERS WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LONG TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK AT THE WAY THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, BECAUSE THIS QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE KEEPS COMING UP FOR ME.
WHEN PEOPLE BUY A HOME IN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, ON A QUIET RESIDENTIAL STREET, THEY SHOULD HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF IT REMAINING THAT WAY.
ALTHOUGH WE ALSO KNOW DEVELOPMENT WILL COME.
I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THERE IS JUST THAT ONE LITTLE NARROW TWO LANE ROAD LEADING OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.
AND I HOPE WE CAN FIND SOME WAY AROUND THAT IT'S GOING TO CREATE A TREMENDOUS PROBLEM AT AMHURST AND GLEN BURNIE.
THOSE WHO TURN ON THE PINE TREE ARE GOING TO PAY THE PROBLEM FOR THE CHILDREN, WALKING ACROSS THE ROAD TO GET TO THE RECREATION CENTER, THOSE THAT TURN ON DELORE DRIVE AND HIT THE ELIZABETH AVENUE ARE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO BE BOMBARDED WITH COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE HIGH SPEED TRAFFIC COMING INTO ELIZABETH FROM THAT DIRECTION.
AND EVEN IF WE DID PUT THE SECONDARY ROAD, THE SECOND ROAD AND ACROSS THE CITY PROPERTY, IT'S STILL GOING TO DUMP THEM RIGHT ON THE PINE TREE.
SO WE'RE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC IS CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC.
ONCE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS DEVELOPED, WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START LOOKING A LOT MORE CLOSELY IN THE FUTURE ACT, THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NOW ISOLATED DEVELOPMENT AREAS, SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IT'S CREATING A UNIQUE SITUATION.
SO JEAN, I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE IT PERSONAL.
YOU JUST HAPPENED TO PROBABLY BE THE FIRST DEVELOPER IN THE LINE OF DEVELOPERS WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAYBE WORK WITH THE BOARD A LITTLE CLOSER TO PRESERVE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE THING FOR THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, THROUGH WHICH THIS TRAFFIC IS GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW.
AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I SEE THAT HAPPENING MORE AND MORE IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S COMING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, I WANT TO REPHRASE JUST TO ADD VERY QUICKLY TO WHAT YOU SAID.
I THINK WHAT WE'VE GOT TO BE AWARE OF ALSO IS AS WE DEVELOP, CONTINUE TO BUILD TO THE WEST, TO THE NORTH AND AREAS THAT WE'VE GOT TO REALLY SERIOUSLY BEGIN TO LOOK AT OUR LAND USE PATTERNS AND HOW WE DEVELOP SUBDIVISIONS.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY TYPICAL SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT IS, IS VERY MUCH GEARED TO CURVY STREETS AND CUL-DE-SACS.
AND WHAT THAT DOES CREATE INEVITABLY IS THIS KIND OF, OF ISSUE.
UH, WE'VE GOT TO BEGIN TO THINK MORE IN LINE OF CONNECTING STREETS TO PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH MORE WAYS IN AND OUT OF DEVELOPMENTS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN AWARE OF.
AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE OVER YEARS IS A KEY SORT OF ACCUMULATION OF SINS THAT HAVE CREATED A LANDLOCKED PARCEL OF LAND THAT HAS VERY LITTLE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANOTHER MEANS OF ACCESS.
I MEAN, THIS AREA THAT ALDERMAN PENDLETON IS CONCERNED ABOUT IS REALLY THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR ACCESS ADDED A SECOND MEANS OF ACCESS OUT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE WAY WE'VE DEVELOPED THE DIFFICULTY WE'VE GOT IS THE WAY WE DEVELOP TODAY IS IT'S A REACTIVE SITUATION.
WE SEE A PARCEL OF LAND AND IT'S THE DEVELOPER COMES IN WITH THE REQUEST AND WE HAVE TO REACT TO IT.
WHAT WE'RE NOT DOING, WHICH WE NEED TO GET TO BE ABLE TO DO IS TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT LAND MASSES, ADJOINING LAND MASSES TOGETHER AND SAY, WELL, WHAT IS THE MOST SENSIBLE WAY TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY? SO WE DON'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS AND THAT'S GOING TO MEAN GETTING LANDOWNERS TO MEET TOGETHER, TO TALK ABOUT IT, UH, COORDINATING EFFORTS.
IT'S, IT'S GOING TO REALLY CHANGE THE WHOLE WAY WE, WE DEVELOP, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO RUN INTO MORE PROBLEMS WITH THIS SAME AREA OF, AND MR. PARROT DEVELOPS HIS LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PINE TREE, THAT'S A LARGE LOT, A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH WILL BE DEVELOPED RESIDENTIALLY AT SOME POINT.
AND IT'S GOING TO DUMP ALL THE TRAFFIC ONTO PINE TREE, LAURIE DRIVE AND ELIZABETH AVENUE.
SO THAT AREA IS, IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR AS SATURATED WITH HOUSING AND AUTOMOBILES AS IT WILL BE EIGHT OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
ONE MORE FINAL COMMENT, PLEASE.
UH, PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT CAUSED THIS, UH, CONCERN BY MY NEIGHBOR BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS FACT THAT, UH, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THEY CUT A ROAD THROUGH WHICH EXTENDED AMHURST INTO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT WAS VERY LITTLE CONCERN FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY AND THE, THEY DISTURBED THE LANDSCAPE OF THE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THAT HAS TURNED INTO A HARD PAN, UH, WHERE YOU CAN'T GROW ANYTHING.
AND ALL THE EROSION HAS GONE INTO THE STREET.
IT WOULD BE A GOOD FAITH ISSUE IF YOU WOULD GO IN THERE AND FIX
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THOSE, THAT ENTRYWAY TO ELIMINATE THE EROSION PROBLEM AND TO HELP NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE NICE YARDS, BUT THEY CAN'T GROW ANYTHING THERE BECAUSE WHAT DEBRIS WAS THROWN UP ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, WHEN YOU PUT IN THE CURB AND GUTTER, AND WE HAVE ASKED THAT THAT BE DONE.AND I THINK IF YOU WOULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FAITH DEMONSTRATION TO US THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK WITH US.
IS THAT A DOABLE, THAT'S NOT POST, YOU CAN GET TO THAT ALL IN FAVOR.
THIS IS A VOICE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED, MOTION CARRIES AND WE'LL MOVE ALONG TO NUMBER FOUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 19 97, 19 98, PROPOSED BUDGET AND CONSIDER ADOPTING BUDGET ORDINANCE.
THAT WAS THAT LITTLE FAN BOOK PANTS, JUST NET.
WE RECESS FOR THREE MINUTES BECAUSE I KNOW THAT.
YOU MEAN, I DON'T WANT THE RIGHT WAY.
WE'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK IN THE ORDER.
AND I SUGGESTED THAT WE MOVE NUMBER FIVE UP NEXT, BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER RESIDING IN A ONE BLOCK AREA, SOUTH OF HARTFORD AVENUE, BETWEEN CAROLINA AND STAMPS AND STREETS FROM OUR 10 RESIDENTIAL TO OUR SIX RESIDENTIAL.
BUT NOT MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
THIS APPLICATION WAS HEARD AT THE BOARD'S LAST MEETING ON MAY 27TH, 1997.
AND AS YOU RECALL, THE BOARD DID AGREE AND DID REZONE ONE LOT IN THIS ONE BLOCK AREA, UH, YOU ASKED TO HAVE THIS AGENDA ITEM PLACED BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THE REMAINING AREA OF THAT BLOCK.
UH, YOU HAVE OUR REZONING ANALYSIS AND STAFF COMMENTS AND, UH, I'LL HOLD ANY OTHER COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE ADVOCATE.
ANY OTHERS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM, I THINK WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH.
I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THE REASON I'M DOING THIS IS THAT SINCE WE CHANGED ONE, I CAN'T IN GOOD FAITH TO NOT THE, UM, THE, UH, THE GENTLEMAN, HIS REQUESTS.
I JUST THINK IT'S JUST FAIR TO DO.
LAST TIME WE HAD ONE PERSON THEY DISAGREE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THERE IS A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WE NEED TO CALL A ROLE ON THAT HOME.
NEXT THING WE HAVE LOST MY PLACE.
OKAY, MAN, WE JUST PAY US THE ORDINANCE CHANGING THE ZONING, JUST IN CASE THEY SAID IT MANAGER SUGGESTED.
AND I POINTED THAT OUT IN CASE ANYBODY DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT ALL THIS MOST OF THEM WAS ABOUT.
SO IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO LEAVE THAT WE'RE HERE JUST CONCERNING THAT CHANGE.
YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN THERE, THE REST OF OUR ACTION HERE WHILE YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT.
THE NEXT THING IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 97 98 PROPOSED BUDGET AND THE CONSIDER ADOPTING THE BUDGET ORDINANCE.
DO WE HAVE ANY, AND THIS IS
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ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS A PROMISE COMMITMENT THAT ENTITY CITY MANAGER HAS MADE ON PROPER MEN'S ROLE.THE INSTALLATION OF WATERLINE WILL ROCK.
WHEN THE, HAVE YOU ALL INCLUDE THAT IN THE BUDGET.
CAN WE GET
AND WE HAD AT ONE TIME, BUT WE HAD OVERRUN IT.
ANOTHER PROJECT THAT HAPPENS, THE MONEY HAS TO BE USABLE.
IS IT STILL UNDER DISCUSSION? IF WE HAVE A PROJECT GOING RIGHT NOW, COMING DOWN UH, HIGHWAY 17 AFTER JONES OF STOLEN IS NOT TJ AND IT'S NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE BIG OBLIGATION.
ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE REQUESTED BY PETITION TO BE IN THE 80 DAY.
SO THE QUESTION REMAINS, WILL THERE BE ANY WAR LINES RIGHT ON STAGE? WHAT I'M SAYING YOU ALREADY DID.
YOU HAD AN ADVERTISEMENT, YOU PUT IT IN A NEWSPAPER THAT YOU GO IN AND DO IT.
EXPLAIN THAT TO HIM ABOUT WHAT THIS ADVERTISEMENT WAS IN 19, 19 95, THIS HOME, YOU SAID IT WASN'T WHEN I CALL YOU FULL, BUT THERE'S THE AUTOMATIC TOOK FROM THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE OF THE COST OVER RUNS ON S 17 PROJECT.
WE HAD TO SPEND THE MONEY FOR THE CONNECTION BETWEEN FOUR MRS. FOY, WHO CAME UP HERE, UH, TO CONNECT, UH, THE AREA BETWEEN THE STOPLIGHT ALONG 17 AT RIVER BEND AND THE, UH, PLACE WHERE WE CROSSED 17 THERE AT, UH, BEN QUINN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THAT PROJECT RAN MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING.
SO IT TOOK UP VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE FUNDS.
IF WE DO HAVE FUNDS AT THE END OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO SOME OF THAT OVER TO THE STATE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, THEY RAN OUT OF MONEY BEFORE YOU GOT THE STATEMENT, RIGHT? IT'S CORRECT.
SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IF WE HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT FROM THE OTHER PROJECT, WE WILL TRY TO STRETCH IT OUT.
AND IF WE CAN,
I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW WE DO IT.
YOU SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE DONE IN TWO WEEKS.
THE LETTER SAYS YOUR PROPOSED PRODUCT SHOULD BE READY FOR SUBMISSION TO THE STATE WITHIN TWO WEEKS.
I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO LAY THE PIPE INTO, UH, OH MAN.
UH, IT'S THE ONLY STATES WITH ROCK AND RUN ROAD.
ROBIN BURTON ROAD RUNS PARALLEL WITH HIGHWAY 17, GOING TO ALSO JONES KIND OF LINE.
THIS LETTER SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SERVE THESE CUSTOMERS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH COST, THE HIGH COST TRADITIONAL CUSTOMER.
AND YOU MADE A COMMIT TO DO PART OF THE ROAD AND WASN'T PAUL.
WE INCLUDED ALL, BUT I THINK FIVE CUSTOMERS INTO, I CAN'T DO THE PROJECT.
BUT AGAIN, THE OTHER PART OF THE PROJECT TOOK UP VIRTUALLY ALL THE MONEY.
IT GOES BACK TO 1993 WITH THE, UH, I WENT BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.
THEY SENT YOU A LETTER IN A RESOLUTION, WHICH I HAVE A COMPETENT WITH.
NOW I HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAT IT'S NOTHING NEW.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY PROMISE.
I'LL CALL DO IT IN 1994, WE DO IT IN 19 95, 19 96 TO NINE AND PUTTING OFF,
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WELL, IT'S A MATTER, ACCORDING TO CITY MANAGER OF FUNDS MONEY.SO HOW MANY IS NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, IF WE DO HAVE THE MONEY WE CAN.
AND IF WE DON'T, WE CAN'T, I MEAN, THAT'S AS PLAIN AS IT CAN BE.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO SOMETHING, DON'T TELL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE.
WELL, HI, ALAN TOLD
NOW WE COMMITTED TO GETTING THOSE FOLKS WATER.
MY COMMITMENT IS FINISHED OUT THERE.
I HAVE NEVER COMMITTED TO THE STATE AND ROAD.
YOU GUYS DIDN'T WANT TO BE AN ETJ.
YOU DON'T WANT NO PART OF THE CITY.
SO RIGHT NOW, IF WE GET THEM FUNDS, WE'LL TRY TO RUN WATER OUT THERE.
NOW YOU'RE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL NOT BE PART SICK.
THAT'D BE PART ETJ, BUT YOU WANT THE WATER.
BUT DEERFIELD IN OTHER AREAS GOT WAR PROMISE.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS AN EXTENSION THAT, I MEAN, THERE ARE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY USERS OUT THERE, BUT THE COST JUSTIFIED THE EXTENSION.
YOU'VE GOT, THERE'S A $20,000 COST TO EXTEND DOWN YOUR ROAD TO THE POINT WHERE WE WOULD SERVE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY CUSTOMERS, I THINK IT'S LIKE 15 CUSTOMERS OR SOMETHING DOWN THERE FOR 20 GRAND.
AND IT JUST, I MEAN, ECONOMICALLY THAT WE HAD THE MONEY, IT WOULD BE FINE, BUT, UH, ECONOMICALLY THAT'S NOT VERY GOOD BUSINESS TO DO.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT THE WHOLE LINE WE HAD, WE HAD PUT IT DOWN.
I CAN GET BACK TO YOU REGARDING INSULATION WALL LINE 17 PEEP OUT THERE IN 19 70, 19.
WE DON'T PUT A LINE OUT THERE IN 1987 AND YOU DIDN'T PUT A LINE UP THERE UNTIL A FEW MONTHS AGO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THE BUDGET, BUT WE GOT TO MOVE ALONG ON THIS BUDGET SITUATION FOR THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURN, PLEASE.
NEXT, UM, ON THE BLOCK FIVE YEARS AGO.
YOU TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE BLOCK? UM, I WALK FOUR MILES AND MY ROUTE IS I'D GO UP QUEEN STREET DOWN TO THE GROUND BEHIND THE SHERIFF'S AND BACK UP FRONT STREET CEMETERY.
AND NONE OF THOSE SIDE WALLS WHERE YOU CAN WALK ON, BUT THEY'RE ALL TORN UP AND I'VE NEVER REALLY TALKED TO MY
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UH, I'M INDO WE HAVE, UH, UH, ANYTHING THAT ADDRESSES SIDEWALKS AS SUCH AND AS A SEPARATE CATEGORY? I MEAN, SAY THAT WE KNOW STATE AS A SIDEWALKS AROUND THE CITY, OR IN OTHER WORDS, THE, WE KNOW THE MAGNITUDE OF THE PROBLEM.
IF SOMEBODY, I SAID, LET'S FIX ALL THE SIDEWALKS, WE'LL WE TALKING A HUNDRED GRAND AND A HUNDRED MILLION AND WE'LL BACK UP FROM THAT.
WE'VE OBSERVED THE WALKWAY OF SIDEWALKS.
OUR POLICY IS ONCE THEY GET OUT OF THE LINE, THEN WE FEEL LIKE IT'S A LIABILITY WITH
SO IT GETS OUT OF THE ENTRY LINE WHERE WE DRIVE THE RISK.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS YOU WERE ARRESTED
NEXT YEAR, YOU GOT A SENTENCE
SO HOW MUCH GOOD WE STAND? HOW MUCH DO WE STAND AS MUCH AS IS NECESSARY? UH, WE HAVE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ADDRESSED, WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT THE BORDER OF THE STATE AND OURS
IF WE GET SOME OF THE NEW GAUGING MONEY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CHANGE THROUGH ALL OF THAT SIDE.
SO THERE'S TIMES WHEN WE DO GO IN AND REPLACE THE ENTIRE SITE BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO GET MONEY BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.
AND IF YOU'RE DOING
YOU KNOW, WE CAN SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU WANT TO PUT IN LAST YEAR.
IF HE GAVE ME AN INDICATION OF SOME PARTICULAR SPOTS, I MEAN, COULD YOU TRY TO ADDRESS THAT IN A SENSE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR PLACES
UH
WE DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LIVE AT 2 46 HARBOR ISLAND IN NEWBURN.
UM, IF I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DID AND I THANK YOU FOR THE JOB YOU DO.
I KNOW, I KNOW YOU ALL WORK COUNTLESS HOURS AND, UM, ON A PERSONAL NOTE, UM, WE MOVED TO NEWMAN, MY FAMILY NOW IN 1968.
AND SO I'VE BEEN ACQUAINTED WITH, UH, THE MUNICIPAL AND THE GOVERNMENT QUIET.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT HOBBIES.
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MY HOBBY IS NOT NECESSARILY GOLF OR FISHING.I JUST HAVE ALWAYS ENJOYED WATCHING THE CITY GROW.
I'VE WATCHED THE, THE CITY FATHERS AND MOTHERS GOVERN THE SEE, AND I THINK OVERALL, WE DO A VERY GOOD JOB.
UM, IN MY LINE OF WORK, I'M A REAL ESTATE FRASER, AND I WORK ABOUT A FOUR COUNTY AREA.
UM, PARTICULARLY DEAR TO MY HEART IS THE CRANE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF NEWBURGH AREA.
AND I THINK I COME TO YOU TONIGHT KIND OF AS A SILENT MAJORITY.
I THINK THAT'S WHY I AM NOT SURE.
I HAVE NOT COLLATED ENOUGH INFORMATION.
MR. ALLEN, COULD YOU TRY AND MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE BACK THAT WAY A LITTLE BIT? I THINK THAT MAY BE WHAT WE'RE GETTING SOME FEEDBACK.
WELL, UH, ONE OF MY HOBBIES, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF NOT PLAYING GOLF AND FISHING IS TALKING TO RASMUS, NOT ONLY
THIS IS, THIS IS JUST, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY IT'S MY POINT OF VIEW, BUT MY POINT OF VIEW LIKE YOURS IS, IS BASED ON INTERACTION WITH THE ONE THING ON THE, ON THE, UM, THE CITY SWIMMING POOL.
UM, I HAVE REALLY FELT LIST EDITOR EXPRESSING MY CONCERN ABOUT THE EXPENDITURE OF THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY POOL THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING WILL BE USED FOR THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR.
NOW I MIGHT BE WRONG ABOUT THE RIDE.
I HEARD INITIALLY SOME INDICATIONS THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT TWO HOURS.
AND THEN I THINK HE GOT REDUCED TO 500,000.
UM, I JUST ASKED THAT THE CITY OF NEWBURGH CONSIDER THIS TIME OF YEAR WITH THE HEARING, WITH THE BUDGET HEARINGS, OTHER POSSIBLE WAYS OF SPENDING $500,000.
NOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD.
WHY DO CERTAIN ELDERLY RESIDENTS HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE CAR AND GO IN TO PAY THEIR BILL OR IN THE DUNNVILLE WHEN AT ONE TIME? UM, I THINK IT'S PLEASANT STUDS.
THAT OFFICER WAS A FIGHTER FOR SALE AND CHAD DRAFTING WINDOW WHERE PEOPLE COULD HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH TO PLAY A BILL.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE COMMENT ALONG THOSE LINES.
UM, I HEAR COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UM, RENTAL OFFICE SPACE AND CITY, UM, LEASES ALONG THOSE LINES.
UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY IF THEY HAVE THAT TO LOOK AT THE, UM, THE ALTERNATIVE OF PURCHASE, UH, THE ALTERNATIVE OF THE MORTGAGE VERSUS THE CONTINUAL RENT.
THEN I WANT TO MENTION TO YOU ON THAT.
I THINK THAT C NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT IS THE COUNTY SEAT AND THE MANY LEADERS IN THE CITY, I THINK MAYOR AND THE BOARD INVOLVEMENT SHOULD CONSIDER AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS ALONG WITH THE COUNTY AND OTHER MINT, MUNICIPALITIES LONG-TERM COUNTY-WIDE RECREATION FACILITIES.
WE'RE SEEING THOSE OUT ON THE OWNER OR ON NOW A LOT OF THOSE LINES.
I THINK ONE CONCERN THAT I HEAR ABOUT POTENTIAL SWIMMING POOL HERE, ME AND ROBERT, WE'VE NOT HEARD YOU TALK BEFORE ROB, BY THE WAY.
SO
AND I GUARANTEE YOU THERE'LL BE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY USING THAT FACILITY.
I THINK AS OUR COLUMN YEARS AGO, THE NEWBURN, UH, BOARD OF EDUCATION COUNTY, THERE WAS A LOT CONCERNED ABOUT MERGING THING AND THEY MERGED NOTHING THAT'S WORTH DOWN.
I THINK THE ECONOMIES SCALE OF COUNTY, LOT OF RECREATION.
I KNOW, I KNOW YOUR REASONS BEHIND THE POSSIBILITY OF BUILDING THE ONE I ASKED YOU TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT I THINK IN THESE TIMES WE'RE LIVING WITH LESS BUREAUCRACY.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE WITH THAT.
WE LIVE, YOU GOTTA MEET HEALTH CODE REQUIREMENT, SELL IT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THERE NOT A JOINT VENTURE? I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT SAYS WE DO NOT HEAR THAT WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO, BUT ARE THERE NOT SOME POSSIBILITIES OF SOME TYPE OF A FULL PROFIT POOL THAT COULD ASSIST ALL THE SYSTEM? ALL THIS ONE IS AGAIN, I WANT TO, I WANT YOU TO KIND OF TRY TO BE BRIEF AND GET WIND HERE.
CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE VERY BUSY NIGHT, BUT I THINK IF YOU ASKED THEM IF THEY WON'T SWIM POOL FOR THEIR TAXES, OR IF THEY WANT TO TAKE MORE SQUAD CARS TO GIVE THEM A BETTER SECURITY, NO, NOT WANTING TO SERVE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
THEY WERE, THIS IS PLACE SECURE, BEING SECURE IN THEIR HOMES.
I DON'T THINK THEY FEEL AS GOOD ABOUT MONEY BEING SPENT THERE
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IN THE POOL AREAS THEY WOULD WITH FURTHER POLICE PROTECTION ALONG THOSE LINES.UH, JOHNNY CLARK, I'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE.
AND I TALKED WITH SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ALONG THIS LINES ON THIS CANADA EXPENDITURE.
I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE FLUSH OF WOOD, THAT THERE ARE ASSISTANCE IN THE CITY THAT CANNOT IMPROVE THEIR HOMES.
AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY A LOT OF HOMES ARE BOARDED UP, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S BLOOD AND NOT A FOOT FINGER REQUIRE FLOOD INSURANCE.
WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO THOSE LAWS.
IF YOU DON'T SEE ANYBODY, WE PULL THEM AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO DO THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO.
THE PROBLEM JOHNNY IS THAT THE POPE DOESN'T REALIZE THAT I HADN'T EXPLAINED THAT NUMEROUS TIMES FROM THE APPRAISER'S STANDPOINT.
AND I TELL HIM THAT JOHN IS DOING THE JOB.
YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB, BUT THERE'S A LACK OF COMMUNICATION.
AND I'D SAY, I JUST SAY THAT IF YOU WILL SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY, I JUST DON'T SEE THE TOTAL TAX BASE AND SEE YOUR NEIGHBOR INCREASING SPENDING HAT GUY SAY THAT SAME ONE.
AND IF YOU GO SPIN IT LIKE THESE AREAS AND ELEVATE YOU SONGS UP, GIVE THESE PEOPLE A SENSE OF HOME OWNERSHIP.
JOHN BOUGHT A HOUSE FOR $5,000 AND IT CAME TO ME TO NOT GET A BILL COMMITTED AND IMPROVE THAT THING.
AND I ALREADY SEARCHED IT RIGHT ON THAT WITH FAME.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT I'M TELLING YOU.
THEY CANNOT IMPROVE THESE HOMES BECAUSE THEY'RE THE LIFT.
THE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR FAULT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING WHEN HE WAS RUNNING.
ALL RIGHT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME THINGS.
IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY TO HELP THESE AREAS WITH THEIR AIRPORT, IF EVER GOING TO GET A BUDDHIST AND PRESET TAX BASE, UM, ALONG THE SAME LINES, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT YOU WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE NEXT, FOR THE NEXT ENSUING YEAR TO LOOK AT HIRING A TWO OR THREE K FHA, YOU SAW IT SAID, HELL, LET'S SEE US THE CITY IN FIGURING OUT A WAY THERE ARE SOME VERY GOOD PROGRAMS NOW.
AND HUD, HUD IS IN A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO BE VERY COMPETITIVE TO OFFER SOME PRO PRIVATES TO REALLY HAVE VARIOUS LIKE SOME DIVIDE AREAS, MOVER.
THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS AVAILABLE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT KIND OF LAND ON THE POOL, YOU SHOULD KEEP IT, LET US SEND YOUR MONEY AND SPEND YOUR MONEY GOING INTO THESE AREAS AND HELPING THESE AREAS.
BUT JUST FOR WHAT I JUST SAID, THEY'RE CALLED IN A REAL CATCH 22.
AGAIN, I, I MET THE BRIEF AND THAT'S JUST A THUMBNAIL SKETCH OF THE WAY I PLAYED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN NEWTON FIELD.
UH, I THINK THAT, THAT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY COMPLACENT TO COME UP AT TOP.
WE ENJOY WATCHING YOU ON FRIDAY NIGHT, WE ENJOY WATCHING THE RIVER BAND COUNTS.
UM, SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I, WHENEVER YEARS DID IT SEEM LIKE THERE WAS MORE SPIRIT IN AN ACCIDENT BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD.
BUT I THINK THAT WE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO? NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WANT TO SEE BECAUSE THEY ARE WATCHING FOREVER.
I THINK THE LIMITATION THERE DOES IS THAT WE COME UP AND PLACE IT.
WE DO NOT COME UP AND TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE JOB YOU DO.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BUDGET, MR. SASS, HE'S GOING TO PUT SOME MONEY IN IT FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, SPEAKING THAT TO CONVINCE NOW SPEAKING AT A SYSTEM IN THE NEWBURN, MY NAME IS JOHN HAS HAPPENED 10 36 NORTH STREET.
NOW I WOULDN'T SEND THAT TO GENTLEMEN.
HE SAYING, HE'S, HE'S BEEN HERE A LITTLE WHILE.
I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR A SWIMMER WHO SAID SEVEN TO EIGHT.
ONE OF THE REASON WHY I BEGAN TO WORK SO HARD IS WHEN WE BUILT THAT BACK THERE OR THAT NEW BYPASS, BUT HAVE NOT.
SO MANY KIDS GOT DROWNED AND THEN THE WATER HOLE IN THE DIGGING, THE SAND OUT, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE SWIMMING POOL.
NOW I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY FOR HOW SO LONG AND CONTINUE TO WORK FOR HOUSING RIGHT NOW, JUST A ROLE ABOUT FEW WEEKS AGO, I'LL CALL WANT TO BE JONES, ENCOURAGED HIM TO SIGN THE TAX CREDIT BILL SO THAT WE COULD BUILD SOME HOUSES.
WE WOULD CALL US IN ALL TO BE A HUNDRED.
I'LL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE HIM BACK TO LENDING AND TO INSTITUTION, SOME TAX CREDIT TO THEM TO PUT THAT MONEY IN.
ALSO WORK HARD FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, TO FAULT PEOPLE, TO GET THE HOUSE FIXED UP IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WORKED IN ALL TAX, A PRIDE IN THE COMMUNITY TO BUILD UP PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY,
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BUT ALSO THINK ABOUT THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY.NOW, WITHOUT COMING UP, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SWIM NOWHERE BECAUSE THE ONLY THING WE HAD WAS YOU'D BE WANTING TO LEARN HOW TO SWIM, GO DOWN AND POKE A AND WE HAD A LOT OF KIDS TO GET DRAWN DOWN MEN.
NOW, SOME PEOPLE DISABLED, THEY CAN AFFORD THE FULL POOL IN THE BACKYARD.
AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SWIMMING POOLS IN THE BACKYARD AROUND IN NEWBORNS.
NOW WE KNOW IN LAST, JUST THE LAST SUMMER WE HAD KIDS JUMPING IN THIS TROOP AND THE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT THEM OUT THERE, BUT THEY COULDN'T KEEP THEM OUT.
THEY GOT DROWNED IT OUT, BEING DAISY.
AND THEY GOING TO DO THE SAME THING WHEN THEY GET HOT AROUND HERE, GOING TO SUMMER BEEN KIND OF COLD NOW.
SO WE HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT KIDS JUMPING IN THE POOL.
THEY'RE GOING TO JUMP IN THE POOL.
WHETHER YOU SAY IT IS KEN OR NO.
AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIDS CALLED ONE DAY.
IT MIGHT BE ONE OF MY KIDS GO A LOT OF TIME.
I TELL MY KIDS NOT TO DO THESE THINGS, BUT THIS TIME I BACK TO HER, THEY GO AROUND ALL OVER THE SCHOOLS, MY KIDS AND THE KIDS THEY'RE TOO LONG NOW, BUT I HAVE GRANDKIDS AND I HAVE GREAT FRIENDS HERE AND I HAVE NEIGHBORS.
AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITIZEN OF NEWBORN KIDS BEING NOT ABLE TO AFFORD A SWIMMING POOL.
NOW THINK THIS IS TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR OUR KIDS IS IN NEWBURGH AND KELSON KELSON ON THEIR WAY.
THERE THEY'RE JUST ABOUT RUNNING ABOUT THREE SWIMMING POOLS RIGHT NOW.
AND I KNOW I'LL, I'LL SIT A LIKE COUNSELING, RICH.
THEY HAVE FLOODED ALL THE TIME.
WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING DECENT CLOUD WITH KIDS.
WE SHOULD GROW WITH IT RECENTLY TYPE WALL IS THAT WE WANT TO SAVE A DIE AND PUT IN A PLACE THAT WE WANT TO FORGET ABOUT OUR CHURCH.
I'LL CHEER HIM ON FIND SOMETHING TO DO WHERE WE GIVE HIM SOMETHING TO DO OR NO.
AND SO WE SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN GETTING OUR KIDS SOMEWHERE THAT THEY CAN GO AND LEARN HOW TO SWIM RATHER THAN GO OUT THERE.
AND THAT ROBOT AND JOE HALL FORD IN MY HEAD TO SPEND MONEY TO GET THEM OUT IN THE RIVER.
SO I'M VERY INTERESTED NOW I HAVE A DESKTOP BEING ENTERTAINMENT TERM OF FOOD, AS I SAID, GO AND DATES BACK TO SEVEN EIGHT.
AND I HAVE REFERRED WHERE I'VE BEEN BEFORE THE BOOK SO MANY TIMES CONCERNING THE SWIMMING POOL AND I'M JUST INTERESTED.
I'M A COMMISSIONER AND I'VE TRIED TO GET THE COMMENT TO WORK ALONG WITH THE CITY, BUT THAT'S NOT EASY JOB.
AND I'M CONTINUING TO WORK ON BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN GIVING UP NOTHING.
I BELIEVE IN WORKING TOGETHER AND WORKING TOGETHER.
I KNOW WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN THE KIDS AND NEWBORN HAVING A SWIMMER UM, UH, WE BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE AND A RAIN EVENT.
I THINK I HEARD SOMEONE YOU WANT TO PULL, YOU CAN COME TO MY BACK.
THERE WAS A DRAINAGE PROBLEM OR REALLY BAD ONE BETWEEN SPENCER.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS $500,000.
IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF WE CAN HAVE A DRINK TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE WATER THAT GATHERED BACK THERE, OR IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH PROPERTY DOWN.
I MEAN, IT'S, AND WE'VE GOT NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR BUILDING UP FARMS, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO DO IT.
IS THAT UNDER THE, UH, POSSIBILITIES OF BEING ONE OF THOSE THINGS? I DON'T LET HAVE PERMITTED YOU ALL WITH THIS, BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE CITYWIDE DRAINAGE LANE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, THE ARMY CORPS, ENGINEERS STUDY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IS IN A LOT OF CASES IS, IS, IS WE CAN'T REALLY PUT A BANDAID ON SOMETHING BECAUSE IT ALL TIES IN.
AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF HER SITUATION IS ONE OF THOSE THAT, THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW.
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DOES IT FLOOD EVERY TIME IT RAINS OR JUST DOING HEAVY RAIN? UM,IF IT'S A YARD, IF IT'S NOT A CITY DRAINAGE THAT DOESN'T DRAIN CITY RIGHT AWAY ARE OUR STREETS.
IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH YOUR YARD FROM CITY PROPERTY, THEN GENERALLY THE CITY'S NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
BUT, UH, I'LL ASK HIM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S NOT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE KNOWN OR AT LEAST MAYBE GIVE YOU SOME IDEA OF WHERE YOU CAN GO.
WHAT IS THAT LITTLE
SO WHERE DID THIS RANGE, WHERE IT WAS AT AT SOME POINT I HAD HIM GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT WITH YOU AND MAYBE WE CAN