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ALL MEETING TO ORDER AND WE'LL OPEN WITH A PRAYER BY ROBIN CD BALE, MOUNT CALVARY MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH.

HE'S NOT HERE, MR. SAMPSON.

HE'S NOT HERE.

DAVID MEANS WOULD YOU A PERSON BREAK IN WITH US HERE? PROBABLY JUST THANK YOU, LORD, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND DO THE CITY'S BUSINESS HERE, FATHER, WE JUST ASK THAT YOU GIVE EACH AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL WISDOM, FATHER, GOD, THE FATHER, THEY WILL KNOW YOUR DIVINE PLAN FATHER AND MEET THAT DIVINE PLAN.

LORD, WE JUST ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS MAN.

YOU NEED JESUS NAME.

WE PRAY.

AMEN.

HERE.

OKAY.

FIRST THING WE HAVE IS A SEWER UP DATE.

MR. MISDEMEANOR, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED, THEY TOTALED 97 GALLONS IN THE MONTH OF MAY.

THE MAXIMUM DAILY AVERAGE WAS 3.2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.

AND THE MAXIMUM DAY WAS THREE, 10 TO SIX.

WE DIDN'T NEED A GALLON.

SO 2.16 PLANT.

OUR VIS-A-VIS EFFICIENCY WAS 91% ARE SUSPENDED, SOLID REMOVAL, EFFICIENCY, PERMIT GUIDELINES, EVERYTHING IS RUNNING SMOOTHLY, RUNNING SMOOTHLY.

AS PART I LIED TO HERE ON ME, THAT'LL ALWAYS KEEP THE QUESTIONS TO A MINIMUM.

THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE TAXI CAB FRANCHISES AND WHO WAS GOING TO SPEAK AND SAY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IT PROBABLY HEARING IS OPEN ANYBODY OPPOSITION TO THE, UH, OR THESE FRANCHISES.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE HEARING.

IS THERE ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED RENEWAL AND FRANCHISES? NOBODY'S OPPOSED TO, WE HAVE A, MY RENEW, MY MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK YOU HAVE TO CALL ROLL ON THAT ONE.

FIRST.

WHAT ABOUT, UH, WE WERE SEEN TO HAVE A PROBLEM LAST TIME WITH, UH, TURNAGE.

IS THAT PROBLEM STILL THERE? ARE WE GOING TO GIVE HIM FRANCHISES OR IS HE, IS HE UP? YEAH, HE HAS HIS FRANCHISE.

HE'S JUST NOT ABLE TO DRIVE.

SO HE ASKED HIM JUNE THE 30TH TO GET HIM ON THE BOAT JUNE 3RD, SEVEN DAYS, SIX DAYS FROM NOW.

OKAY.

I'M JUST WONDERING, OKAY.

YOUR MOTION WAS DEPRIVED TO THE HEARING THEN? YES, SIR.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

QUESTION.

UH, HERE I HAVE ALSO, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHERE WE HAVE A FRANCHISE, UM, MS. DONALD TAX HAD BEEN INOPERABLE FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.

SHE HAS NOT RENEWED THE DMV RESTORATION FOR 1995 TO 97.

UH COURSE SHE WOULD HAD TO HAVE HER VEHICLES IN OPERATION BY JUNE 35.

SO, OKAY.

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OKAY.

TWO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT JUNE 30TH, WHICH IS MONDAY AND ROBIN .

WHEN YOU COME HERE, THAT'S TWO MONTHS THAT YOU ASKED FOR ONE OR TWO MONTHS.

IF WE GOT TOGETHER AUGUST 31ST, YOU COULD GET YOUR CARS ON, ON THE ROOF, OPEN, GET YOUR FRANCHISE MOVING, RIGHT? OKAY.

IS THAT ENOUGH TIME TO NOT JUST COME BACK? MECHANICAL REPAIRS NEEDS TAXI CAB AND IT'S BEEN OPERATING WITH NO PROBLEMS WITH MOTION TO HAVE AN ORDERED.

I'M GOING TO, WE HAVE TO PREPARE A GRANT AND THE RENEWALS LISTED IN THE PUBLIC NOTICE FROM A PETER ROGERS, MAJOR THEM ON JUNE 12TH, 1997, AND THEN A FURTHER DISCUSSION.

DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THAT VOICE? VOTE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A NUMBER FIVE.

EXCUSE ME.

MA'AM OH, YOU GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME? I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR AND THEN NOT BEING REPLACED.

HE'S ASKING FOR MORE FRIENDS, MORE TEXTS TO GET THEIR REVOLT ON JUNE 30TH.

HE'S ASKING, COULD BE CONSIDERED.

OKAY.

I COULDN'T HEAR YOU IF, UH, IF WE DO THAT AND THEN YOU WILL BE UNDER CONSIDERATION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

LET'S SEE.

HERE WE HAVE NUMBER FIVE.

NOW THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT ORDINANCE TO REZONE A 3.7 PORTION OF A 22.04 ACRE LOT FROM 20 RESIDENTIAL, JUST C THREE COMMERCIAL LOCATED ON NORTH SIDE OF ROCKY RUN ROAD NEAR THE EASTERN, THE INTERSECTION OF US HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH.

NOW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO FILL US IN ON BANARD? OKAY.

I ASKED, I COULDN'T SEE.

AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR A REQUEST FOR A REZONING FROM OUR 22 C3, HAVE A APPROXIMATELY A 3.7 ACRE PORTION OF 22.48, A LOCK THIS LOT IS LOCATED IN THE ROCKY GRANDE COMMUNITY NEAR THE EASTERN INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY 17 AND SASH.

UM, A PORTION OF HIS LIVES IN THE CITY'S ETJ.

THEY REMAINING, UH, FORTUNATELY A LOT ENJOYABLE LOCATED IN THE COUNTY,

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UH, OWNER, MR. HAS REQUESTED THE REZONING IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD REVIEWED THE REQUEST.

AND ON JUNE THE THIRD, AND YOU HAVE YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOU HEARING ALL PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.

THE GENERAL STATUTE IS 1 68, 3 4.

AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 3 99 WITHHOLDING COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER THE APPLICANT HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, OR IF NECESSARY, WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION? THE RECOMMENDATION PLAN WAS ONLY TO RESOLVE A PROBLEM BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS ANOTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND ALSO BASED ON, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF THE LAND IN THAT AREA AND BASED ON COMMENTS AND STUDIES FROM THE, UH, COUNTY LAND USE PLAN OF THE COUNTY AND OF, UH, DOORBELL.

SO THE ONLY, UM, HE'S ONLY ASKING FOR 3.7 ACRES OF A 22 ACRE TRACK TO BE REZONED THAT'S CORRECT.

SINCE ONLY THAT PORTION IS IN THE CITY'S ETJ JURISDICTION.

UH HUH.

AND HAS HE REQUESTED THAT A 22 ACRES BE ANNEXED? NOT AT THIS TIME IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S ULTIMATELY HIS GOAL.

OKAY.

WHAT KINDS OF BUSINESSES CAN BE ESTABLISHED UNDER A C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION? THE SECRET COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS MOST YOUR DISTRICT USES BARRIER FROM A RETAIL USE, INSTITUTIONAL USES AND SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MISSES.

UH, BASICALLY ANY USE CAN BE CONDUCTED IN C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT EXCEPT FOR INDUSTRIAL, BUT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY THAT CAN BE DONE ON THE LATER.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, MR. SATIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BY FOR YOUR REPRESENTATIVE AND TELL US WHY YOU WOULD LIKE THIS REASON OR EXPLAINED TO US? UM, MINE IS DALLAS, VIRGINIA, NORTH CAROLINA.

UM, THIS 22 ACRES I WATCHED MY THREE YEARS SINCE I OWN THIS PROPERTY.

THE CITY DID THAT DJ THEATER, THREE ACRES ON SPLIT.

UM, I HAVE BACK IN APRIL, I PETITION GOING UP AND 22 ACRES IN THE SATELLITE ANNEXATION AND I MADE THE CERTIFICATIONS PRIOR TO DOING THIS.

IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE PROPERTY OF IMMEDIATELY THAT THE CITY WOULD CONSIDER THIS STATE TO SOME EXTENT I AM WILLING TO STAND FROM TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

UM, AT PRESENT TIME, 20 ACRES OF PROPERTY IN GRAY COUNTY JURISDICTION IS THERE IS PEOPLE WHO HAVE OBJECTION TO THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, ET CETERA.

I CAN DO THAT.

NOW MOST OF THIS PROPERTY, I HAVE PERMITS NOW VAGRANTS OR WAREHOUSES OR DIFFERENT TYPE OF THING NOW.

AND I'M IN BERKELEY OR THE COUNTY OR A, I THOUGHT WOULD BE BEST ABOUT BEING MORE FLEXIBILITY.

NOT ONLY NOW.

UM, ALTHOUGH THE C3 ZONING I'M ASKING FOR MY PLANS OR THE PLEXUS.

AND, UM, I PERSONALLY DEAL WITH ANYTHING I DO THERE WITH PANTS, NOT WORK EITHER BY THE JOINT PROFIT BESIDE ME AT THE 48, 68 YEARS FROM BUYING .

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SO NOT VERY ARROGANT.

MY PLANS ARE ACCURACY AND I HAVE THAT INTERSECTION THERE AND PROSPECTS THAT INTERSECTION THERE, THE NEXT MAJOR INTERSECTION.

I MEAN EVERYTHING.

NOW THAT POINT IS MOVED BETTER AND IT'S HAPPENING VERY FAST.

AND FOR YEARS, IF YOU COME TO THE MUSEUM, THE LEFT HAND SIDE THERE'S BASICALLY IS TAYLOR FARMS, UM, ALL COMMERCIAL, SPANISH, ALL DANCE.

THERE IS NO COFFEE, BASICALLY THE WAY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE RESIDENTIAL, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MENTIONED GOOGLE OPPOSE ALONG SCRIPTS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IS ALL FROM THERE BACK TO 5,000 ACRES OF LAND IN THE CITY BASED CONTROLLER.

SO WHO THERE BEYOND THAT 300 FEET TODAY, THEY CAN DO COMMERCIAL OR .

SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, IF I'M WANTING TO SEE THE C3 ZONING, I ASK HIM WHAT I CAN DO NOW.

AND WHAT I'M OFFERING TO SEE IS THE POTENTIAL INDIAN TAX BASE.

WHAT I DO, WHICH I MEAN BASICALLY ON THE C3 OR BULLET OR BEING THE SAME, WE'RE GOING TO HERE.

THESE PEOPLE HERE WILL BENEFIT EVERYBODY ALONG THE PATH ON LOSE PROPOSITION, INCREASED TAXES.

YOU'VE MENTIONED BRAINPOP REQUESTED.

IF THAT WASN'T THE CASE, I DON'T THINK WHATEVER I DO OUT THERE.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WILL BE BETTER AND MORE PROTECTED IN THE CITY RATHER THAN THE COUNTY EACH TIME.

OKAY.

SO THE PUSHED AND THE PLANNING CALL AND ALL THE THINGS Y'ALL HAVE PLACEMENT, ELECTRICITY, AFLAC, AND I'M WILLING TO PLAY THE DOLL.

RICHARD, LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

UH, FIRST OFF, IF WE DON'T CHANGE THAT BIT OF ZONING TO C3, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WILL NOT DEVELOP THE PROPERTY? HONESTLY, THIS TIME THEY ARE NOW I DO NOT HAVE TO I CAN BUILD A PYRAMID, BUT SAY HERE'S THE PROBLEM IN THE MATCH JAIL.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T MAKE PROMISES.

WE JUST TOLD PEOPLE THAT THEIR, THEIR, UH, INTERESTS AND THEIR CONCERNS WERE UNFOUNDED.

I SAT IN THIS CHAIR AND I TOLD THEM THAT IF I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS THE BEST THING FOR THEM TO GET AN RA TJ, THAT I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT MYSELF.

AND I ALSO TOLD THEM THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR CONCERN WAS TO TRY TO HANG ON TO THEIR COMMUNITY AS LONG AS THEY COULD AND KEEP IT LIKE IT WAS AS LONG AS THEY COULD.

I TOLD THEM THAT THE PLACE THAT I WAS RAISED DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE.

AND IT WAS A HOLE IN THE GROUND AND IT WAS IN HIS NOW IN THE CITY.

I MEAN, WHO WOULD HAVE EVER BELIEVED IT, BUT THE REASON FLORA'S ZONING AND HAVING AN ETJ WAS TO HAVE PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND OF COURSE

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FOR THE CITY AND WITHOUT IT, THERE IS NO PROTECTION LIKE YOU HAVE STATED ABSOLUTE.

SO THE DILEMMA THAT WE HAVE, AND IT'S NOT REALLY A DILEMMA, IN FACT, IT'S THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY DO IF IT WAS A $10 MILLION POTENTIAL TAX BASE, FARCE IS NEW AND WHAT THEY AT LEAST IMPLIED THAT THEY WOULD DO FOR THE CITIZENS OUT THERE PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

AND EVERYBODY ALWAYS WONDERS WHAT WILL HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT THAT INTO SCALES AND, UH, I GUESS TONIGHT WE'LL FIND OUT MR. MAYOR, PAUL STREET, MOST OF THE I MAKE AND ALL AND HE MAY BE, AND SHE MAY HAVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE, NOT IT, BUT, BUT SAY HERE'S THE THING, IN MY OPINION.

AND THAT'S ALL IT IS, IS AN OPINION, BUT IT'S WHAT I HAVE TO HAVE TO GO BUY IT.

IF IT IS GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT AREA, WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO DO AND WANT TO DO IN THE LONG HAUL AND THAT KIND OF THING.

AND I AM THE LAST PERSON IN THE WORLD TELLING ANYBODY HOW TO DO THINGS.

I, I HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE TRYING TO DO MY OWN BED, BUT SOMEBODY HAS THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY, I GUESS I'D SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S A CITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S THE DEVELOPER.

I DON'T KNOW, AT MY EMBRYONIC STAGE, IN, IN POLITICS, JUST WHO IT IS, BUT SOMEBODY HAS THE, THE, THE, THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVE TO THE PEOPLE AROUND IT'S OF A PARTICULAR AREA TO ALLAY THEIR FEARS.

IT HAPPENS TO US ALL THE TIME.

IF PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND ASK WHAT I'M SAYING, AND, AND SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, IF IT, IF IT'S GOOD FOR THEM, THEY'RE NOT CONVINCED I CAN TELL YOU THEN.

SO I MEAN, UH, MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

WHAT MAKES IT A LADY, A VERY NICE LADY, BUT SHE ALSO DID ISSUE.

I DON'T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THAT SITUATION.

IT'S ALWAYS, ALWAYS OPPOSITION.

IT'S ALWAYS, THIS WHOLE BODY REPRESENTS 15, 16.

WE MAY HAVE 15, 20 PEOPLE HERE.

AND I'VE MENTIONED TO SAY THESE PEOPLE, THE VINYL OR THE DJ, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THEY CAME, BUT WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS MY WORD, RIGHT? AND I WORRY ABOUT THAT A LOT, THE 20 ACRES WILL NOT GET THAT LAND SOON.

CAN YOU DID NOT TAKE IT.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND NIGHT, AS YOU STATED, THOUGH, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU PLEASE WITH IT.

WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TOLD THEM WHEN WE WERE TELLING THEM THAT THE TJ WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM IN THE LONG RUN, BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE THEM CONTROL.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE MIGHT OF THE CHOICE COMING BEFORE US OVER 3.7 ACRES AND SURELY NOT THE OTHER, WHATEVER, UH, WHERE WE WE'D HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.

AND AS YOU HAVE ELOQUENTLY STATED, REST OF IT, NOBODY'S GOTTEN A CONTROL OVER OTHER THAN YOURSELF.

AND I JUST LIKE TO ASK YOU THIS, BY THE WAY, I'M NOT IN HIM A LONG TIME.

WHEN WE WERE FRIENDS, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY GETTING THE WRONG IDEA THAT I'M BADGERING HIM WITH A HAMMER, BUT I'M JUST, HUH, ALL THE PAST 20 YEARS DEVELOPMENT AND WHATEVER.

I'M NOT THAT, OH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.

LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE THINKING COULD BE THOUGH.

NOW HE ASKED WHAT WAS UNDER C3 AND THEY SAID A GREAT SPAN OF THINGS ARE POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW.

I WANT TO ASK YOU THE REAL QUESTION.

I'M SOMEBODY WHO LIVES THERE.

LET'S SAY I'M A NEIGHBOR OR WHATEVER.

AND I'M ASKING YOU TONIGHT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO PUT OUT? THAT'S THE POINT? OOPS.

RIGHT.

I WAS EXCITED.

MY POINT IS, IF YOU CAN PUT FROM HERE TO THERE AND YOU DON'T KNOW TONIGHT, I'D BE A LITTLE NERVOUS MYSELF.

IF I WAS BUT I MEAN, WHY CAN WE NOT ALLOW HIM TO DO IT? WE SIGNED AND C3.

WHAT HIS CONTRACT IS ON IT.

THAT'S WHEN HE SAYS HE GONNA PUT SOMETHING THERE YOU SAY ON THE HALF, THE BOARD WE'LL PUT

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THAT.

WE'LL READ ANOTHER.

OH, I'M UNDERSTAND THAT.

THAT IS MY POINT.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE POINT IS THAT WE , IF WE ZONE IT C3, LIKE HE'S ASKING, THEN, THEN ILLEGALLY, HE CAN DO ANYTHING UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF C3, WHICH AT THIS POINT YOU DON'T KNOW THE MIKE, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE ANYWAY, GOING THAT WAY.

IN FACT, THAT'S, MAYBE LET ME ASK THE BOARD ONE THING AND THEN WE'LL GET SOME COMMENTS FROM THE REST OF THE FOLKS I GET.

I THINK OUR PEOPLE WELL IS BERNARD STILL THERE.

WHEN WE, WHEN WE TOOK THIS THING IN THE ETJ, WAS IT NOT GRAND AND GREAT CONSIDERATION TAKEN AS TO WHAT WE ZONED IT AT THAT TIME, RESIDENTIAL, THIS, THAT, OR WHATEVER.

AND THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE FACTORS OF WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT WE TRY TO KEEP IT BEING AND THIS AND THAT AND WHATEVER.

AND HOW LONG AGO WAS THAT? A YEAR.

OKAY.

TIME REALLY FLIES ME HAVING FUN.

I GUESS EVERYTHING NOW, HIGHWAY 17, SINCE THAT TIME ON REQUEST, MEANING AND WHAT WAS SAYING WAS THAT THE SAME TIME WE TAKE IT ALL IN, WE TOOK, WE TOOK IT TO AND THEN WHAT IT WAS, WHAT WAS NEEDED FOR THAT TIME.

LIKE HE SAID, THINGS CHANGE, BUT THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE DID AND MAKE A NOTE OF IT.

EVEN THOUGH WE REALIZED AT THE TIME THAT THERE WOULD BE CHANGES ALONG 17, WE WILL SEE THE GROWTH, BUT WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WE DID, WE MET A GENTLEMEN LADY KIND OF AGREEMENT, KIND OF FELT THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE IN ETJ.

AND WHAT WE SAID WAS THAT WE TRIED TO PRESERVE THE AREA IN WHICH THEY LIVE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY MADE REFERENCE TO.

WHEN THEY SAID THE CITY SAID IT WOULD NOT RESOLVE THE AREA DOWN THE ROAD WHERE THEY LIVE.

WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU A BRIEF CONDITION.

SO YOU ASK THAT THIS PILOT WILL YEARS WITH SEVEN AND EIGHT, NONE OF THE REAL ESTATE.

AND IT WAS CHILDREN WHO COULD NOT BE THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME CIRCLE.

THE HEIRS HAD AN OPTION.

IT WAS ALL FULL HOUSE STEPS, A YOUNG GUY IN WASHINGTON, DC, ONE MEMBER OF THE FAMILY, BUT HE THEN DECIDED HE WANTED TO SELL .

THE MINUTE THE MIND WAS PUT IN ESCROW AND THE BOOK QUOTES ALL VISITED THREE OF THEIR SHOWS UP SO THOSE PEOPLE, THOSE PEOPLE LIVE HERE.

THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT INTEGRITY.

THIS PLOT IS SIX OR SEVEN TRACKS THERE.

NONE OF THE PEOPLE DO IN THIS AREA, WALKING, DC, MARYLAND, ET CETERA, WE MANAGE .

HE LIVES IN MARYLAND.

HE IS, HE MADE THE CURE.

LADIES CHAMPION PAPER OWNS A HUNDRED ACRES BEHIND ME.

THEY'RE NOT HERE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

ALL THE PEOPLE YOU DON'T SEE ALL OF THEM.

THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE.

THEY'RE NOT TWO PEOPLE RIGHT HERE.

THIS MEETING WITH THAT.

YOU COULD JUST TELL US THIS MOST BEFORE THEN, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT DO LIVE IN ROCKY RUN.

WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THEIR PIECE.

AND THEN WE'LL SAY I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. SUTTON, MR. SUTTON, COULD YOU, COULD YOU COME OVER HERE, PLEASE? I WANT TO SHOW YOU A MAP OF THE UP POLES, DOG.

I GOTTA TAKE MINE OFF.

IT MUST BE LISTEN.

NOW THESE BLOCKS.

MR. FARRELL, ARE YOU HERE,

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MR. ? I'M SURE HE COME WITH THIS SAND FOR ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THE AREA.

OKAY.

THANKS A LOT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

UM, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE ALREADY GETTING READY TO ASK FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THEM.

YEAH.

CAN I MAKE JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES? MR. SUTTON CAME TO SEE ME, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO TALKING ABOUT THIS.

AND WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY AND HE TALKED ABOUT WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO.

HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOUSES AND HE SAID, C3.

AND I ASKED YOU AT THE TIME, WHO WAS OPPOSED TO IT? YOU REMEMBER, YOU SAID YOU HAD, I ASKED YOU WHAT THE PEOPLE AROUND IT.

THINK YOU SAID NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT.

AND I SAID, WELL, IF THAT WAS, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SINCE THEN.

AND I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD HAS HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA AND THEY HAVE DEFINITE PROBLEMS WITH IT.

NOW, WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE NOW.

AND YOU AND I, WE WE'VE WORKED ON THIS THING CAUSE I THINK I STILL THINK IT'S A GOOD DEVELOPMENT PIECE OF PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T MY CHANCES.

I TOLD YOU THE OTHER DAY, I'M GETTING C3 ARE SLIM TO NONE.

I STILL THINK.

AND I THINK THAT I KNOW WHAT YOU'VE DEVELOPED IN THIS CITY.

YOU'VE DEVELOPED SOME FINE PLACES.

NOBODY HAS ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE WORK THAT YOU DO, BUT WHEN THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA CALL AND CONCERNED, AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT KEEPING ROCKY RUN RESIDENTIAL, IF WE, IF WE START THERE, WHERE'S IT GOING TO END? IF WE HAD HAD TRENT ROAD, WE TALKED ABOUT TRENT RUIN.

I GOT TO THINKING ABOUT IT.

IF WE'D HAD TRENT ROAD BACK, MAYBE FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS EARLIER, MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE SOME OF THE STUFF ON IT.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

AND AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, BECAUSE IT POPPED UP EVERYWHERE.

NOW WE ARE WE'RE CHALLENGED AND CHARGED BY THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURGH TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS AND THE PROPERTIES OF THE PEOPLE.

WE ALSO HAVE A PLANNING BOARD THAT, THAT WENT IN AND STUDIED YOUR PROPERTY.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I UNDERSTAND THEY HAD WAS YOU CAME UP ONE REZONING, BUT YOU HAD NO PLANS FOR IT.

AND THAT SCARED I, AND IT WOULD BE SCARY.

SO THIS IS A, OF COURSE I'LL ASK, YOU KNOW WHAT? PEOPLE WILL GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK.

BUT I THINK THAT AS FAR AS TRYING TO REZONE IT, IT'S GOING TO BE MUDDY HARD AT THIS POINT TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN LEAVE IT RIGHT WHERE IT IS.

AND I CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I WANT TO HEAR THAT.

I WANT TO HEAR THE REST IS NOT ASKING TO BE APPROPRIATE.

I'M JUST TELLING, I'M TALKING TO YOU, TALKING TO THE FOLKS WHO, LET THEM KNOW WHAT WELL, LET ME JUST LET'S FINISH THE HEARING.

THEN WE'LL HAVE THE VOTE.

OKAY? MR. MADDEN NOW TO FUCK THAT ARE PART OF THIS TOO.

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE COME TO ACTUALLY SPEAK TO SEE HOW MANY OF THE POLLS POLLS TO IT? PERIOD.

RAISE YOUR HAND, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU.

HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR THIS PROPERTY? WELL, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEFINE NEAR AND EVERYTHING ELSE LAST YEAR, THIS YEAR, WHATEVER, MESS THAT START IN THE FRONT.

RIGHT? AND LET THIS LADY COME UP.

AND IF EVERYBODY'S BASICALLY SAYING THE SAME THING, SO YOU GET THE IDEA OF WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

CAN YOU PULL OUT MY MAIL AND CLEANSE THE T IS TO PUT BUSINESS NOW IN THE PLAN, I SPOKE WITH HIM ON JUNE 3RD BECAUSE HE HAS NOT GIVEN US ANY DEFINITION OF WHAT HE WAS GOING.

WHEN HE PLANS TO PUT THEM IN THE FRONT, MR. SUTTON CAME TO SEE ME.

I TOLD HIM I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HIM WITH DEVELOPING HIS PROPERTY IN ANY WAY, BUT I DON'T POST TO COMMERCIAL.

IF HE GOES COMMERCIAL, PUT UP SOMETHING THAT HAD THAT CONTAINERS, THE REST OF

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OUR LIVES.

NOW I GREW UP IN ALSO, I MOVED AWAY, BUT I HAVE RETURNED AND I HAVE PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR ABOUT 16 YEARS.

WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT RELATIVE TO OUR OWN SATISFACTION AND SATISFACTION FOR US TO LEAVE SATISFIED.

BUT WE DO NOT WANT, THAT WOULD BE SATISFACTORY TO US.

WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN SINCE I WAS A CHILD, WE WOULD PREFER WE HAVE CHILDREN.

AND MOST OF THE FAMILIES HAVE CHILDREN.

THE OLDEST 17 IS COMMERCIAL.

17 HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMMITTED SINCE I WAS A CHILD.

EVERY OTHER PLACE, YOU CAN SEE A STORE AND YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE.

AND I DON'T THINK AT THIS LATE STAGE, THE REHAB COMMERCIAL, UNLESS WE KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WE DO NOT RUN IT.

PERIOD.

FIRST PLACE.

IT WILL ALLOW US TO SUDDENLY PUT UP A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

WE WOULD HAVE SOMEONE ELSE COMING.

AND BEFORE WE KNOW IT, WE WILL BE MOVED OUT.

WE COMMERCIALISM FOR THAT.

NOW HE HAS MENTIONED TONIGHT THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO OWN PROBLEMS DOES NOT LEAVE HERE.

YES.

I HAVE A BROTHER WHO WAS AWAY WITH MY BROTHER TO COME BACK TO LIVE.

I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER BROTHER.

SO THEREFORE WE ARE OPPOSED TO COMMERCIALIZATION.

THAT WOULD BE, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO MR. SUTTON.

I TOLD HIM I AM NOT OPPOSED TO HIM DEVELOPING HIS PROPERTY IN A MANNER WHERE RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE IF HE BUILDS HOUSES JUST AS HE HAS DONE FOR YOU, IF A FAMILY COMES IN AND THAT FAMILY IS UNDESIRABLE TO US, WE WILL HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF HAVING THAT FAMILY REMOVED RATHER THAN HAVING A BUSINESS.

IT ALL HAS REALLY BEEN A QUIET.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. SO I AM TOTALLY OPPOSED TO HIM.

ANY COMMERCIAL CROP HERE THAT HE HAS A PROPERTY IS HIS BUSINESS, BUT NO COMMERCIALIZATION.

IF PEOPLE WILL READ IT, WE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN TO THE WORST.

MS. FORD, DO YOU KNOW A LOWEST MAURICE? YES, I DO.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

MRS. MRS. PAULA.

HE TOLD ME BY MISTAKE, MRS. FIDLER.

OKAY.

AND A LITTLE LESS MARSH LIVES NEAR YOU, BUT I DON'T THINK SHE, I WANT TO HAVE THIS LETTER ADMITTED INTO THE MINUTES.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE, THIS IS A LETTER IN OPPOSITION AND YOU GOT THE SCALP AND EVERYONE ELSE FEEL THE SAME WAY MS. FOLLOWING THE FIELDS, I LET THEM MOVE TO CLOSE A PUBLIC.

DO YOU HAVE MADE THAT INTO THE MINUTES PLEASE? THANK ORIGINAL.

I HAVE COPIED THE COPS IS FINE.

THE, UH, AS WE ENTER DISCUSSION PHASE OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT IF THE FOLKS WHO HAD TALKED TO ME ABOUT THIS THIS WEEK, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY GOOD AND VERY POSITIVE, IT'S JUST EXACTLY WHAT THIS LADY SAID.

AND SOME OTHERS TOLD ME THE SAME THING, AND THAT WAS THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST MR. SAT IN DEVELOPING HIS PROPERTY.

THAT WAS ALL WONDERFUL.

THE PROBLEM THAT THEY HAD WAS THIS OPEN, CHANGING ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW THINGS FROM A TO Z TO GO IN AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT WAS COMING IN.

AND

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I CAN'T REALLY BLAME THEM FOR THE, FOR THEIR EMOTIONS AND FEELING THAT WAY.

AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN ANTAGONISTIC THING.

IT'S NOT WHERE YOU, YOU'RE NOT WELCOME OR THINGS ARE IN AN UPROAR, WHICH I WAS KIND OF IMPRESSED WITH IT.

I JUST THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A GENUINE CONCERN.

SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND PLAYS IN THE HEARING? NO, SIR.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED, NO HEARING IS CLOSED.

NOW, DID WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT HER? I'M NOT A DOCTOR.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NOT ADOPT A ZONING CHANGE.

SECOND, I HEAR A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT GANG, YOU MIGHT CALL IT ROLL, I GUESS.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

OKAY.

MR. BAYLESS, IT MADE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE THAT THIS VOTE ONLY APPLIES TO THAT 3.7 ACRES.

THERE'S ALMOST 19 ACRES OF HIS PROPERTY THERE THAT HAD THAT.

THE CITY HAS ABSOLUTELY NO SAY SO WHATSOEVER.

AND PEOPLE GO AND BILL COMMERCIAL LAND AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT.

WE JUST MOVED THIS UP.

WE ONLY HAVE, IT'S ONLY THAT IT'S ONLY THAT 3.7 ACRES, WHICH IS IN THE CITY'S ETJ THAT WE HAVE.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS QUICK.

OKAY.

NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

BY THE WAY, WE PULL NUMBER SIX TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS MY PREPARED, NOT READY.

HERE'S SOME PROBLEMS, ANYTHING IN THE CONSENT AGENDA WE NEED TO PULL 15, 15.

MR. MUST HAVE ALWAYS IS THAT THIS PROPERTY YOU WANT ME TO, DID YOU WANT THE PULL 15 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, PULL 15.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? DOESN'T MATTER.

I DON'T, I DON'T BLAME YOU.

UH, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO PUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN 15 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AGENDA MINUS 15 SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER 15, MR. PARK.

YES, SIR.

UH, MR. PORT, ARE YOU DOING THIS EVENING? I THINK HE'S TRYING TO COME FORWARD TO SOMEBODY.

HELP HIM.

YEAH.

GIVE HIM A HAND.

GO AHEAD.

UM, THE QUESTION I CAN COMPLY MADE LAST TIME ABOUT ALL OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? SO WE GOT A COPY OF THE STOP WORK, STOP WORK ORDER ONLY SET YEAH.

MR. FORD, IF I'M MISTAKEN IN THE LAST MEETING,

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WE'VE GOT A COPY OF THIS.

UM, AND THEN THERE WERE NINE PROBLEMS, NINE THINGS THAT YOU, THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE.

HAVE THEY BEEN DONE? AND I WENT TO AND MR. FORD, WOULD YOU SAY THEY HAVE BEEN DONE? HAS INSPECTOR COME BY YOUR PLACE AND EXPECTED AND SAID IT IS CORRECT? NO, WHY NOT? TOLD ME HE WOULD PUT IT WHAT WAS HE GOING TO DO, MR. PAWN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FLOODED.

IF I'M TO WRITE SHEET, THIS IS FLOOD INSURANCE REQUIREMENT NUMBER.

THIS ONE IS FLOOD INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS AND ABOVE THAT HAS CONCRETE MASONARY AND FINISHED CONCRETE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ONE UH, MS. AVERY, UH, WHILE YOU KNOW THAT, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, A RECENT MS. AVERY REPORT, ANY OF THE INSPECTORS COMING BY MR. FOURTH PLACE, OR HAS THERE BEEN ANY UP WITH MR. FORD STOP WORK ON, UH, WEEKS AGO? YES.

TO PICK UP SOME MATERIAL, I BELIEVE A PERMIT APPLICATION AND MAYBE SOME OTHER INFORMATION, BUT, UH, THE, UH, BOY FOLLOWING YOUR AND NONE OF THE NINE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

UM, IF THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, OTHER THAN GETTING IT FORMS, THAT'S ALL THE WAY THIS IS OKAY.

UH, THAT WE HAVE, UH, PRIMARILY STAKES OR THE NINERS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THERE.

ONE IS THAT HE HAS THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO STOP WORK, OR EVEN THE NAME, ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, AND GENERAL STATUTES OF WHO TO CONTACT.

AND THEN SECONDLY, THAT IT HAS HE, HAS HE APPEALED THAT, UH, NOT THAT WE'RE AWARE THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD HIM.

AND SECOND FOR THERAPY, HE CAN FIND A LICENSED ARCHITECT OR INTERVIEW, UH, THAT WILL ASSESS THE SITUATION AND, UH, STATEMENT THEY NEED TO GET PUT IN THE STANDARDS.

UH, THEN AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE BUILDING OR ACCEPTED AND THAT'S THAT'S, THOSE WERE THE GREAT THAT'S THE AGREEMENT WE HAD LAST TIME.

SO THOSE WERE THE LAST TWO AND OTHER THINGS, UH, THE , UH, UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF INSPECTORS AROUND WHERE, WELL, MR. FORD SAID THAT HE WASN'T ABLE TO GO ONTO HIS PROPERTY.

SO MR. FORE, I ASSUME THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN THE LAST 30 DAYS.

THAT'S CORRECT.

NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN THE LAST 30 DAYS ON THE HOUSE, ON A PRIVATE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY, MR. FOY, IF I'M NOT MIKE, HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN WORKING WITH THE HOUSE? MR. FORD HAS BEEN SINCE AND THEN 6% OF THESE

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FIVE.

WELL, ACTUALLY WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UH, PREVIOUS OWNER IN THE EARLY NINETIES WITH THE SAME PROBLEMS, THEN THE CONDITIONS OF THE HOMES, CORRECT? MR. FORE YOU'VE, YOU'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS, A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS, MS. MR. FOY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE EXTENDED TIME FOR YOU TO DO CERTAIN WORK ON THE HOUSE AND WE'VE HAD EXPECTED TO GO BY THERE.

AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH, UH, THE PROGRESS THAT IS NEEDED TO MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE HOUSE BEING WORKED ON ISN'T THERE.

AND EVEN IN ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT, UH, YOU WASN'T FINANCIALLY ABLE TO DO THE HOUSE.

LIKE YOU WANTED TO DO IT, OR YOU COULDN'T DO IT AS FAST.

UH, AND THAT KINDA MAKES ME BELIEVE MS. FORD, THAT THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE DETERIORATED, THE HOME IS GOING TO BECOME.

AND, AND, AND, AND IN MY, IN MY, IN, IN MY HEART, I FEEL LIKE YOU WERE PROBABLY BE REACHING AND SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON SOMETHING.

THAT'S JUST GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME THAT, UH, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLETE.

UH, AND WITH THAT MISS FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN SYMPATHETIC, BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.

UH, YOU KNOW, I'M AT A POINT NOW WITH MS FAULT, BUT I'VE GOT TO MAKE THE MOTION TO, UH, TO, TO, UH, TAKE DOWN THE HOME.

AND THAT'S MY MOTION.

BUT BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT MOTION, PLEASE, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT I BE EXCUSED FROM VOTING BECAUSE, UH, I, UH, WAS THE CLOSING ATTORNEY FOR THE LOAN THAT MR. FLOYD'S USING TO DEVELOP HIS HOUSE.

AND I CAN'T BE UNBIASED BECAUSE HE'S A CLIENT OF MINE TO THE MOTION.

I'LL SECOND, THE MOTION.

SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, FURTHER DISCUSSION, JUST EMOTIONAL MC BEING EXCUSED.

YEAH.

THANKS.

THAT'S AN , I'VE SEEN A SPECIFIC PROVISION IN A CHARTER SAYING THAT WE CAN BE EXCUSED EITHER WITH, UH, HE CAN BE EXCUSED IF YOU GET UP AND LEAVE.

IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU GET UP AND LEAVE, I KNOW THAT THAT'S COUNTED AS A YES.

UNLESS YOU GET PERMISSION AND LEAVE, GET UP AND WALK BACK.

WELL, LEGALLY, I KNOW YOU CAN GET UP.

WELL, WE AGREE WITH YOU.

YOU CAN GET UP AND WALK OUT DURING THE VOTE.

AND IF I EXCUSE YOU, THEN EXCUSE ME, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXCUSED.

IF YOU WANT TO GO.

AH, MAY I SAY MS. FOREHEADS HAS SOME ELSE BEFORE WE TAKE YES, SIR.

YES, SIR.

MR. MAYOR, RIGHT? SPENCER RETIREMENT AND GENERAL ELECTRIC REHAB IN THREE OF MY THIRD HOUSE.

AND I'M ON THE THIRD HOUSE FOR REHABBING, PERHAPS HABITAT.

UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE FOIL A LITTLE BIT.

I HAVE ACTUALLY FILLED OUT THIS FORM OR VIDEO THROUGH IT, MADE SKETCHES OF HIS HOUSE, LAYING OUT THE ROOMS AND THE FOUNDATION AND EVERYTHING TO MEET CODE, INCLUDING A LIST OF SIX ITEMS IS HOW TO ACTUALLY REPAIR A SENSE.

REPAIR THE CURTAIN WALLS, FIXED THE PIERS LEVEL, THE HOUSE, FIXED THE FLOOR, GET AN INSPECTION.

EACH ONE I HAD LISTED FOR HIM.

WHEN DID YOU FOLLOW? I ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED WITH ME 10 MONTHS ON A NEW PLUMBING LICENSE.

ELECTRICIAN HAS AGREED TO WORK THIS PROPERTY AND THAT PEOPLE ARE USED FOR HEATING AND AIR, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD ACTUALLY WORK FOR MR. FORD PROPERTY.

SO GIVE IT A CHANCE TO WORK WITH HIM, FILLING OUT THE FORMS TO REHAB HIS HOUSE INTO A SINGLE, OH, YOU SAYING IF THE INSPECTION AGREES WITH YOUR PROPOSALS, THAT YOU ACTUALLY DO THE WORK? NO, I WILL ALWAYS SEE SOME OF THE WORK.

I WOULD COME HERE TO DO THE WORK FORWARD

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AND VOLUNTEERED WITH HABITAT.

HE DOES A LOT WITH HABITAT AND DOES HIS OWN HOMES.

1520 SPENCER.

UH, WE JUST FINISHED THE 2 28 JONES AND WE'RE DOING THREE 12.

MIKE, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT IS INSPECTIONS REPLYING TO THAT? UH, I'M GLAD IT'S DONE ALL THE WORK.

I WISH THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

IT'S VIEWED, UH, AS PER THE STANDARDS WHERE WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO TAKE IT AND REVIEW IT TO SEE ITS, UH, REQUIREMENTS.

UH, MY PRIMARY CONCERN WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR, UNLESS THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN THE WORKMANSHIP AND SUPERVISION OF A MORE, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK, UH, MUCH OF THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE, UH, TO THE .

AND, UM, UNLESS YOU GET A DIFFERENT SET OF CHARACTERS IN THERE, WORKERS AND SUPERVISORS TO ENSURE THAT THE WORK NEEDS TO, BECAUSE THEN I'M AFRAID WE'LL BE BACK TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE GOING TO HAE.

BUT THAT, THAT INSPECTION, MR. FORD WAS THE PREVIOUS INSPECTION WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT TO THE POINT WHERE, WHERE, UH, IT WAS, IT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY.

DID YOU MOVE ON OH NINE OR 12 AND ALL OF THEM CAME UP 3.4, THINGS WOULD BE DONE.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, MR. MR. PAUL, THE LAST INSPECTION DATE, HOW BAD WAS BEFORE THE THIRD OR 9, 4 39, 7 I WAS IN JANUARY.

I IN JANUARY.

YOU HAD NO ONE IN APRIL AND THE LAST TIME IT'S A FOUR THAT IT CAME BEFORE US REMEMBER THAT IT WERE EITHER EIGHT OR NINE THINGS THAT HAD NOT BEEN DONE.

AND ONE OF THEM THAT YOU STARTED WAS TO SECURE THE FOUNDATION OR THE FLOOR, AND THAT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, MR. FORD.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

IF, AND THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION TO DO THAT BECAUSE MS. PAUL, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT, IT, IT'S NOT GETTING ANYWHERE.

AND, AND, UH, AND I'M SORRY THAT IT'S NOT MOVING AS FAST AS YOU WOULD LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THIS GENTLEMAN HERE CAN, CAN TELL ME OR MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT SOME WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE AND I WOULD HATE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION, BUT I WOULD, BUT AT THE RATE, WE'RE GOING TO ADMINISTER FOR THE HOUSES.

THE HOUSES IS COMING DOWN.

ALL I LIKE TO SAY IS I'VE DONE SOME OF THE WORK AND THE SIDE SALES THAT WORK WAS ACCEPTED THAT MR. FOY HIRED SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DID SOME WORK IN FRONT OF THE COURT.

I HAVE TO AGREE THAT THE FOOT, THERE ARE NO FOOTING, THAT WORK IS UPSTATE, BUT WE WOULD MAKE CORRECTIONS AND PUT FOOTINGS IN WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRE THE SKETCHES.

I HAVE DRAWN AND SHOW FOOTAGE, ACTUALLY ONE OR TWO IN THE MIDDLE, BUT SEVERAL TIMES I SHOW RECORDINGS ALL THROUGH THE HOUSE THAT SHOULD BE PUT IN.

HOW SOON HAD YOU PLANNED TO WORK FOR GETTING STARTED? UH, I WILL DIRECT BEFORE BUT YOU WILL BE THERE WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT.

YOU WOULDN'T SAY DO IT AND THEN COME BACK AFTER IT'S DONE.

YOU WILL BE THERE WHEN IT'S DONE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME.

HERE'S A PUDDING, DIG IT LIKE THIS.

I'LL COME BACK FOOTAGE, WE'D GET IT INSPECTED.

THEN YOU BOIL THE PUDDING, JUST LIKE YOU DO WELL, WHAT I'M GETTING AT THOUGH.

SO THIS IS ACCORDING TO, I THINK IF I'VE UNDERSTOOD THE INSPECTORS RIDE IN PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, THEY HAVE TOLD

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MR. FORD THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE.

NONE OF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND THEN WHEN HE COMES BACK, IT'S NOT HIS WORKERS.

HAVEN'T DONE IT EXACTLY.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO ALL I'M SAYING IS WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I THINK THE BOARD DOES IT BEFORE WE COULD CONSIDER SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

DOES ANYBODY FEEL LIKE, GO AHEAD AND COMMENT ON MY OBJECTION LAST TIME, WAS IT MR. FOY DID NOT HAVE A PLAN.

THE WORKSPOT APPARENTLY YOU HAVE GONE INTO THE HOUSE AND DETERMINE A PLAN OF ATTACK TO BRING THIS HOUSE UP STANDING.

THERE WAS WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.

IF YOU COULD HAVE THE CITY INSPECTOR OVER THAT, YOU SEE IF THIS IS THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FIX THE HOUSE.

AND IF YOU HAVE A BILL OF MATERIALS THAT DETERMINE HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO THIS AND WHERE THE FUNDING'S GOING TO COME FROM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT IF YOU HAVE A PLAN, AS ONE THING WE NEEDED LAST TIME, IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY INSPECTORS BEFORE WE PROCEED.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO THAT.

SO WE DON'T GO INTO IT BLIND.

AND THEN GERMAN, THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO COVER THE COSTS.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS WANT TO CONSIDER IF YOU WILL, EXCEPT THAT WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

WHATEVER MOST YOU NEED MORE, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UH, NOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO HELP GET THE, GET IT PREPARED TO PUT IN, TO BRING UP THE CODE, MR. FOIL, HOW SOON DO YOU BEGIN TO YOU EXPECT TO BEGIN THIS WORK? BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS TO ME LOOKING AT IT, IT'S ABOUT TO FALL OVER.

IT'S REALLY IT'S THIS LOOKED LIKE IT'S NOT EVEN SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AROUND.

ARE YOU GOING TO BEGIN NOW TO HONESTLY REBUILD THIS HOME? ARE YOU GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT AND QUIT? UM, SO AFTER YOU'VE DONE, IS THAT A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU REBUILD AND REFURBISH HOMES? IS THAT A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TUNNEL? WE ALREADY HAVE THE HOUSE ABOUT 2 28, 3 46.

I'M JUST WORKING TWO DAYS A WEEK AND WE FINISHED IT IN 16.

OKAY.

WAS THERE ANY CONDITION? THIS ONE'S IN? THIS WAS IN PRETTY BAD CONDITION.

IT WAS PRETTY, VERY WELL.

WE, WE RENTED THE HOUSE FOOT AND MOVED IT BACK TO FEET.

MR. POOL.

I DON'T WANT TO VOTE TO TEAR YOUR HOUSE DOWN, BUT THE PEOPLE LIVING AROUND YOU DON'T WANT TO LIVE AROUND A RAT TRAP AND AN EYESORE.

WE GOT TO GET SOMETHING GOING ON.

WE'VE BEEN SITTING HERE A YEAR AND IT'S NOT ANY FARTHER NOW THAN IT WAS A YEAR AGO.

SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN, SIR, UH, YOUR HOUSE IS IN THE SAME CONDITION NOW, AS IT WAS A YEAR AGO, I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S ANY IMPROVEMENT.

WELL, IT'S MANY YEARS AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO IT.

IT LOOKS JUST LIKE IT DID.

IF YOU'RE, IF YOU CAN ASSURE ME THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME STUFF STARTED ON IT, THEN I'LL FEEL BETTER ABOUT BOATING FOR AN EXTENSION.

BUT IF THREE OR FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW, IT'S STILL IN THE SAME CONDITION.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE, BUT TO VOTE, TO TEAR IT DOWN.

OKAY.

I MAY ASK THE VOLUNTEER.

WAS THAT, IS THAT HOUSE REALLY WORTH SAVING OR WOULD HE BE BETTER OFF TO START FROM SCRATCH AND BUILD A HOUSE? I ACTUALLY I'M REBUILDING THE HOUSES WORST CONDITION TO THAT NOVEMBER.

I HAD 10 CAUSE YOU WALKED DOWN TWO FEET.

THE DIRT FLOOR, THE WHOLE HOUSE WAS RIPPED UP WITH MATERIAL.

I HAVE DOOR SYSTEM AND I WAS ON THE CHRIS SPENCER APP.

WON'T WORK.

IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY GOOD HOUSE.

THIS HOUSE HAS ONE GOOD TIMBERS.

THEN IT NEEDS TO BE COLD.

I ACTUALLY HAVE MOST OF THE BEAMS, RIGHT? PEERS, YOU WORK PART OF THAT 24 SPACING FACING TWO BAYS.

THEY'RE ON 16 INCIDENT.

WE'LL SAY THAT.

I THINK THE TWO QUESTIONS ARE WHAT MR. PATTON WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AND THIS QUESTION, IN OTHER WORDS, ONE IS THERE IS THE HOUSE SALVAGEABLE.

AND THEN NUMBER TWO, IS IT EVER GOING TO BE SALVAGE, CAUSES SOME BOARD MEMBERS? IF IT SAID THE NEIGHBORS THAT

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LIVE AROUND IT CAN'T REALLY PUT UP WITH IT STAYING STATIC.

AND THIS SHAPE IS IN THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DESERVE SOMETHING TO HAPPEN.

MOVE ON, EITHER BE LEVEL THE FIXED ONE OF THE TWO AND SAY, SOMETHING'S GOT TO MOVE IT MESSED UP.

BOY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, IN ORDER FOR YOU TO FIX IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET SOME FINANCES.

IS THAT CORRECT? YOU GOING TO HAVE TO BORROW SOME MONEY TO GET IT FIXED? SOMEBODY'S GOT TO LEND YOU SOME MONEY.

WHEN, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN TRYING TO BORROW THIS MONEY? IS THAT JUST SOMETHING RECENT OR, AND I THINK THAT ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CORN BACK, NOT KNOW STOCKHOLM, I HAVE AND THEY'RE RANDOM PEOPLE BACK IN THE WOMB, NO AROUND.

AND, AND WHY ARE WE NOW THAT BEEN GOING ON 30, YOU MOVING OUT STRAIGHT OUT AND GO, ONE THING, IT CAME OUT YOU ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ON FROM DOWNTOWN OUT.

THEY GOT TO WORK ON THE PHONE NOW AND , AND GOING AROUND AND AROUND.

AND I'M GOING TO I EXPERIENCED THIS FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS AND THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR .

NOW, IF YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE LIKE FRED OR SOMEONE ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, THE SUPERVISION IS TELLING THESE PEOPLE WHAT TO DO AND NOT DO AND STOP SOMEONE ELSE TELLING THEM AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, BUT THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT FOR A LIVING YET, ANYTHING SELLERS OR SUPERVISION WORK, AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST 18 MONTHS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE NO CODE FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN LIKE ONE STEP OR TWO STEPS BACK AS FAR AS THE QUALITY AND THE WORST IS REALLY FOR HOW, HOW WILL THE GOODS, THE SITUATION, IF YOU DON'T HAVE FINANCING, IF YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BEGIN A PROJECT AND FINISH YOUR PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING A GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.

IF YOU ONLY HAVE ENOUGH TO DO HALF OF IT, AND THEN YOU MIGHT GET THE OTHER TO DO THE REST OF IT, THEN WE IN THE SAME, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WAS A WISE, THE ADVICE THAT WE GAVE MR. AND TRIED TO GET HIM TO DO WHEN HE PURCHASED THE THREE PROPERTIES, LET'S FOCUS ON ONE AT A TIME, GET ONE INFLATED AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING A COMPLETED STRUCTURE AND GENERATING SOME INCOME AND MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE.

UH, BUT IN MY ASSESSMENT, WHY HE SPREAD HIMSELF THEN ON ALL THREE AND ALL THREE ARE NOW EXPOSED TO THE LETTER AND, UH, REALLY ANY PROGRESS.

THAT WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR ON THE SECOND QUESTION.

OKAY.

AND WHO ARE WE MISSING? THE GRAY WE'RE BACK IN HERE.

WHO DID SECOND RAPE SECOND YEAR OKAY.

THE MOTION WAS PUT FORWARD AND REIKI SECONDED AND CALL FOR THE QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO CALL A ROAD FIRE AWAY.

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?

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ALL RIGHT, NEXT THING WE HAVE IS, DO WE HAVE ANY FAULT? NO, SIR.

I DON'T HAVE A POINT TO THE, I MISSED THE DOORS.

LAST NAME IS THE ONES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED TO US FROM GEORGIA.

MR. LAWSON IS HERE.

WE'D LIKE TO MEET HIM AND YOU PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. LAWSON TO REPLACE AN APPARENT COTTON ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

HE IS ON ME, FREE FROM ME TONIGHT, SIR.

I HAVE A, AN APPOINTMENT, ALL THE POLICE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, AND I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. GREG SIMMONS.

HE'S A FORMER LIEUTENANT ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, RETIRED DISABILITY.

HE HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN NOMINATION ALL IN FAVOR BEST TO GREG.

SO YEAH.

UH, I SUPPOSE, NO.

OKAY.

NO, NO PROBLEM.

HOW ABOUT MESS LIGHTS? GOT IT.

MISCELLANEOUS.

NO SHIT.

NO MISCELLANEOUS LIKE TO ASK TO BE EXCUSED BY MY NEXT MEETING.

AND IT WAS MY WIFE AND I WILL BE CHAPERONING A BUS LOAD OF 37 EXCHANGE STUDENTS FOR, ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK ALL THE WAY FROM THE NEWBORN? I'M AFRAID THAT WOULD BE ON THE YOU'RE EXCUSED.

NO, NO MISCELLANEOUS, EXCEPT THAT DEAL.

THAT'S CUTE.

IT'S NOT CONTAINING THE NEW ORDINANCE.

HAVE WE GOT ANY FEEDBACK YET? QUEEN AND PAUL WHAT'D YOU SAY? GREAT.

I GAVE YOU A REPORT ON IT.

MR. AVERY DIDN'T HAVE A, SOMETHING YOU NEED TO DUMP ON US.

YES, SIR.

YOU HAVE THE MANAGER ALONG WITH A RESOLUTION THAT I ASKED TO SEE ME AND A SKETCH FOR AN APPLICATION TO THE MANAGEMENT AGENCY AND ALSO, UH, THE RESTORATION AROUND, UH, UH, THE, UH, WHAT TYPE OF RESTROOM FACILITIES, UH, REGULAR RESCUE FACILITIES TO REPLACE THE OLD ONES, UH, SESSION, UH, UH, UH, STRUCTURE, PERHAPS WE SHOULD NAME THE MAN THAT WAS, UH, UH, A, UH, WITH 66,006.

AND WHAT'D YOU SAY, FUCKING FAULKENBERRY THE RESTAURANT.

ANOTHER WORD WE COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION REGARDING A UNION POINT BEFORE WE TAKE THIS VOTE.

I HAVE NOTICED SINCE THE BULKHEAD HAS BEEN BUILT, THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE FREQUENT FLOODING ON UNION POINT.

ARE THERE ANY ENGINEERING FLAWS IN THE WAY THAT WAS DESIGNED OR SOMETHING? BECAUSE EVERY TIME I GO AROUND THERE, EVEN THERE WAS LIGHT RAIN, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF FLOODING.

AND I WAS WONDERING, WELL, I'M NOT SOMEONE GOOFED BECAUSE WE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY TO SEE FLOODING EVERY TIME IT RAINS, WHAT'S GOING ON.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IS AT THE POINT, THERE IS A DEER OF ABOUT 18 INCHES IN THE BULKHEADING CAMP.

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AND THAT IS TO ALLOW YOU TO STEP DOWN IN THE RIGHT ANKLE WATER.

THAT LOWEST LEVEL IS GOING TO FLOOD FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN YOU HAVE A NOR'EASTER COMING IN.

BUT THE REASON YOU SEE THE WATER BACK UP IN THE PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW IS THE PROBLEM.

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM.

NOT AS CONSTRUCTED THAT LAURA COME IN, THAT DON'T COME IN JUST ON THAT BOTTOM ROUSER TO LOOK BACK COUNTING IT'S FLOODING PHENOMENON, BUT YOU DESIGNED IT SO THAT YOU CAN, SO IT, IT JUST HAPPENS INCIDENTALLY.

IT WAS DESIGNED SO THAT PEOPLE COULD GET VERY CLOSE TO THE WATER.

THE, UH, , UH WHEN YOU DO GET NO ROOSTERS, YOU'RE GOING TO GET WATER IN THERE, BUT ONCE THE GROUPS ARE COMPLETED, THEY WON'T BE BACK IN INTO THE PART LIKE IT DID, I GUESS, ABOUT A WEEK OR SO.

REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID AT ROB AND I WE'RE GOING TO BE NAMING IT AFTER HIM WHEN HE .

WELL, WHO'S MADE THE OBSERVATION.

SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, THERE'LL BE DRAINS IN THE PROMENADE SO THAT THERE WILL BE NO SURFACE WATER LAYING ON THE PROMENADE.

THE, UH, WILL BE SUCH THAT WAR.

SHE DREAMS ALL OF IT.

GRAVITY RATHER THAN A UNDERGROUND IT'LL WRAP THE DRAIN OFF IN THE MOVIE.

THERE'S ONE CASE AND THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL FIELD WATER AND TAKE IT OUT THERE, UH, ON THE TRIGGER OF SIDE WE NOTICE THAT ON THE FEDERAL SIDE, CHECK IT OUT TOMORROW.

DO WE NEED A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION? SECOND PART OF THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE CALL A ROLE ON THAT.

YES, YES, YES, YES.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD .