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THE FIRST KIND OF COST FROM HOME, HIS CHURCH.
YOU WILL APPEAR IN THE RECORDS OF THE HISTORY OF NEWBURN MORE THAN
WAS IT FATHER? WE THANK YOU, FATHER THAT YOU HAD JOINED IN THIS MEAN TOGETHER WAS THE FATHER OF YOUR BUSINESS, YOUR NAME, YOU HAD A SPECIAL MASTER, A SPECIAL BLESSING FOR THE BULLET ALL TONIGHT, FATHER.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT YOU GAVE A RULE OVER YOUR FEET, THAT YOU WERE HOLDING THEM, RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR PEOPLE.
THEN THEY MAY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION WILL FINALLY HELP US.
CAN WE MAKE THE TEAM TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL? AND MOST OF ALL, FATHER, LET US ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT WE ALL BROUGHT THIS CAN BE ANSWERED IN ANOTHER BLESSING IN JESUS' NAME, YOUR FRIEND COMMENT, YOU MAN,
THE FIRST THING WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, FIRST, MY WIFE WASN'T THAT A NIGHT TO DRESS ME.
SO IF Y'ALL ACHIEVEMENT YESTERDAY, MAN, I DON'T ASK ROBERT DOES THIS MATCH? IT MATTERS.
APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY THE UNION POINT FUND COMMITTEE DID A REAL GOOD JOB MR. BALLOT.
UH, THE RECORD, UH, WILLIAM H BOUNDS OF 23 OR FOUR WOULD AN AVENUE CHAIRMAN OF THE UNION POINT FUNDRAISING COMMITTEE, UH, IN SEPTEMBER OF 1995.
WHEN I AGREED TO ORGANIZE A CAMPAIGN TO RAISE MONEY, TO GO FORWARD, I KNEW IT WOULD BE A SUCCESS, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT IT THE FIRST WITH THE TAKEOFF AND THE STEADY INPUT BY CITIZENS IN GROUPS.
SO THE AREAS, IT WAS A BIG SURPRISE TO ME THAT IT GOT GOING SO QUICK A BIT.
THIS IS ALTERNATIVE CIVIL ORGANIZATIONS, CHURCHES, CLUBS, AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, AS WELL AS HUNDREDS OF CITIZENS BEGIN TO REACT TO HELP IMPROVE AND MAKE THIS PROJECT GO FORWARD.
WE HAD ONE THIRD GRADE CLASS IN BANNER SCHOOL.
UH, EACH STUDENT HAD TO DO A CHORE AT HOME TO RAISE A DOLLAR A PIECE IN ORDER TO BUY A BRICK.
WE HAD BOY SCOUT TROOPS THAT THEY HAD CHORES AND BOUGHT, AND WE HAD HIGH SCHOOL CLASS REUNIONS, YACHT CLUBS, VFW WOMAN'S CLUB, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, AND ALL KINDS OF FRATERNITIES THAT TOOK PLACE.
UH, IN THIS, UH, OUT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THERE WAS 213 OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY RANGE FROM 25 TO HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OR A NEW USER.
THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE TO VOTE IN ORDER TO BUY A BRICK ON DONATION.
SO YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE INVOLVED THERE.
AND TWO, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT JUST A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO SUPPORT BRICKS AT ALL, WE'VE GOT OVER 2300 LANES TO GO ON.
APART FROM THAT THERE, THE MONEY IS RAISED FOR THIS PROJECT.
NATURALLY ABOUT TWO THIRDS CAME FROM THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND DETERMINANTS CLUBS, BUT A THIRD OF IT CAME BRICK BY BRICK FROM MY PRIVATE CITIZENS THAT WANTED THIS PARK TO GO FORWARD.
UH, FOR ME AS CHAIRMAN OF THIS, THE STEERING COMMITTEE, UH, DID A GREAT JOB TO HELP HIM.
SUSAN MOFFIT, THOMAS IS DIRECTOR OF SWISS AND CO-CHAIRMAN DENISE AS THE SALES MANAGER, MARIKANA BEFORE CLUB LISTED ANGELA MADONNA, MCDANIEL, SQUISHED BEAR ADMINISTRATION, THEY ALL MADE THIS PROGRAM MOVE FORWARD.
UH, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT IF IT WASN'T FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO THANK THIS COMMITTEE AND ALL THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMITTEE OR JOB WELL DONE.
I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO FORM THIS PARTNERSHIP.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A PARTNERSHIP THAT REALLY HAS MADE ANY REAL SIGNIFICANT
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CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS AREA.I LIKE BILL WANT TO THANK THE STEERING COMMITTEE.
UM, BILL IS CHAIRMAN DENISE WILLY IS SALES MANAGER.
UM, MARY CONOVER HAS DONE PUBLICITY.
MARY CONOVER DOES PUBLICITY FOR EVERY ORGANIZATION.
SHE GIVES HER TIME FREELY AND IT WAS REALLY CRUCIAL TO THIS CAMPAIGN LIKE EVERY YEAR AS THE DIRECTOR, UM, PLANNING CERTAINLY HAS BEEN THE LIAISON AND EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THIS WHOLE PROJECT SINCE I THINK IT IS HIS PROJECT.
AND ALSO MY ASSISTANT WHO SINCE HAS MOVED ANGIE, DANIEL, WHO REALLY, UM, HER DEDICATION TO MAKING SURE EVERYBODY'S BRIT SAID THE RIGHT THING AND ALL THAT, UM, METICULOUS BOOKWORK REALLY WAS CRUCIAL TO ALL THIS.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROJECT FORMALLY.
UM, AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS WITH US HERE THIS EVENING WITHOUT THEIR HELP AND NOT ONLY WITH THEIR SUPPORT FINANCIALLY, BUT WITH THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE PUT FORWARD TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE, THIS SIMPLY WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.
WE ASKED PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR LOCK ON THE PARK AND THEY DID NEW BERN IS A SUCCESS STORY BECAUSE PEOPLE CARE A LOT ABOUT NEWBURN.
AND THIS PROJECT IS, IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
WE STARTED THE CAMPAIGN IN SEPTEMBER, BUT REALLY DIDN'T FORMALLY KICK IT OFF UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 96 AND AN EIGHT.
OUR ROLE AT THAT TIME WAS $250,000 TO HELP WITH THE PHASE ONE.
UM, IMPROVEMENTS SINCE THAT TIME IN 18 MONTHS, WE SEEDED OUR GOAL, MY OWN VERY PLEASED TO REPORT THAT CONTRIBUTIONS, THE ONLY AMOUNT OF $311,425.
UM, THAT IS THE SUM TOTAL OF WHAT WE RAISED IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
THAT IS $61,000 OVER OUR GOAL.
OUR EXPENSES FOR THE WHOLE FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME WAS $12,386.
SO WHEN WE TRANSFER ALL THE MONEY TOMORROW OVER TO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, UM, ACTUALLY WITH THE INTEREST, WE STILL WILL HAVE EXCEEDED OUR GOAL TOTALLY BY $50,000.
SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH THAT.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE VERY, VERY PLEASED THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE A PART OF THIS PARTNERSHIPS.
PARTNERSHIPS HAVE MADE ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS HAPPEN, UH, IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AND THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF NEWBURGH PEOPLE DON'T JUST SIT AROUND, WAITING FOR GOVERNMENT TO DO EVERYTHING.
THEY ROLL UP THEIR SHIRT, SLEEVES AND WORK WITH THEM TO ACTUALLY IMPACT AND AFFECT CHANGE.
AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ALL THOSE THAT ARE HERE.
WE'VE INVITED SOME OF THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS TO BE HERE, PLEASE STAND AND BE RECOGNIZED.
AND IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT OR MAKE ANY REMARKS, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM DO THAT.
AND THEN WE WOULD LOVE TO INVITE THE ALDERMAN AND MAYOR OFFICIALS AS WELL AS THOSE WHO'VE PARTICIPATED IN ANY WAY IN THE CAMPAIGN TO COME FORWARD AND HAVE OUR PICTURE I'LL TAKE TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN JUST SHOW AGAIN, THAT NEWBERRY IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH GOVERNMENT
THOSE EXPENSES DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS PROJECT IS A MEMBER OF SWISS BAYER.
ONCE AGAIN, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION IN SPORTS.
AND WE'VE SAID BEFORE, AND WE REALLY MEAN IT.
MOST OF THE REAL GOOD THINGS THAT HAPPENED, NOT THE RESULT OF GOVERNMENT LOCAL OR OTHERWISE, IT'S THE PEOPLE.
AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALLY REALIZE THAT.
OR AN EXAMPLE WHEN MR. BALLENGER CAME UP SOMETIME BACK AND TOLD ME HE WAS GOING TO GET A BRICK WITH MY NAME ON IT, I DIDN'T TAKE IT EXACTLY THE WAY HE EVIDENTLY HAD SOMETHING ELSE IN MIND.
SO, BUT WE REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK YOU ALL DID.
AND, UH, IT GIVES A LOT OF PEOPLE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR NAME GO DOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE GREAT ILLUSTRIOUS HISTORY OF NEWBURN.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENT UP HERE
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ABOUT IT? I KNOW WE HAD SOME CONCERNS AT ONE TIME THAT WE MAY BE THE ONES LAYING THE BRICK, BUT THAT DIDN'T TURN OUT WELL EITHER.SO I THINK THAT MUCH MONEY RAISED DOES DESERVE LEAST I REALLY DIDN'T COMPARE SPEECH, BUT I'M A MEMBER OF THE UNION POINT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE UNION POINT IS OR WHAT, BUT AFTER 1929 OR 30, AND IT WAS ABOUT 37 PEOPLE OR 13 FORMED A CLUB THAT USED TO PLAY ON UNION POINT WHEN IT WAS THE CITY DUMP, WE PLAYED IN THE WATER IN THE RIVER.
WE SLAMMED IN THE RIVER AND THAT WAS OUR LITTLE HOME AWAY FROM HOME.
A MAN BY THE NAME OF ALBERT PAD TRADE TOOK THE OLD LIST NAIL AND HE WAS THE PROPRIETOR OF IT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
AND HE BUILT A CLUBHOUSE FOR THESE 37 PEOPLE DOWN ON UNION POINT ALMOST WHERE THE BRIDGE GOES ACROSS TOWN.
NOW OF THOSE 37 PEOPLE, THERE ARE JUST SIX OF US ALIVE.
TWO OF THEM WERE KILLED IN WORLD WAR TWO SOUND OVER WOUNDED.
THEY'VE ALL BEEN GREAT CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND ALL OF THEM ARE ALL NEW BURNER.
AND AS AL LORD HE'LL KNOW ALL I DIDN'T LEAVE MEMBERS, RIGHT.
THERE WAS A GUY BY THE NAME OF SHOOT HALL.
HE WAS THE FASTEST MAN ON THE RIVER.
HE KNOW THE WORLD'S CHAMPIONSHIP RECORD FOR OUTBOARD MOTOR BOATS BACK IN 1930 AND THE OTHER FAMOUS PEOPLE.
AND NONE OF THEM ARE REALLY FAMOUS, BUT THERE WAS BUCKY MEADOWS.
HE WAS KILLED DURING WORLD WAR TWO.
MY BROTHER WOULD HAVE STEEL DURING WORLD WAR TWO.
AND HE WAS DONALD, UH, IS STILL ALIVE.
ALTHOUGH A SORT OF AN INCAPACITATED JOHNNY MITCHELL, I ASSUME, YOU KNOW HIM, HE'S STILL ALIVE AND HE'S ONE OF US.
AND THEN THIS GENIUS OVER THERE AND MYSELF.
BUT DO YOU WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THREE, WE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS THING BECAUSE WE LIKED THE CITY OF NEWARK, BUT MAINLY BECAUSE WE LIKE UNION POINT, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS SO WE CAN PUT YOU IN THE MINUTES, JOHN PATTERSON AND I LIVE IN FRONT WOODS, WHAT ELSE? THREE COMFY CLUBS, OR NOW YOU'LL GO DOWN IN THAT 17 SOMETHING HISTORY WE'VE GOT IN THE VAULT.
HOWEVER, WITH ALL THE FORMS THAT WOULD GIVE HIM, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE CONTRIBUTING TO THE
AND AS YOU ALL CAN SEE, THE HISTORY OF NEWBURN IS STILL BEING WRITTEN.
WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN, ALL OF YOU THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THAT AND ESPECIALLY THE CONTRIBUTORS AND, UH, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT, ALL OF IT DOWN AND GO LOOK AT IT MYSELF, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF, UM, MEMORIES OF THE KEY FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SEE THOSE THINGS.
YOU WANT A PICTURE OF EVERYBODY IN IT? YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T BELIEVE WE GOT A LENS THAT BIG.
IT WELL, NOT THE OLD DESERVED TO CRAY.
WE GET IN THE PAPER ALL THE TIME.
I'VE BEEN TELLING THEM MY HEAD.
IT TAKES UP MOST OF THE SPACE ON THE FRONT PAGE,
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BUT WE DID FUNNY Y'ALL Y'ALL DESERVE ANYTHING.YOU KNOW, UH, YESTERDAY THE GENTLEMAN WAS RIGHT THE BEST AWARD WITH NO, ALL THOSE PEOPLE, BECAUSE HE'S GIVEN US COPIES OF THE MINUTES OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN MEETING IN JULY THE SECOND, 1957.
AND THAT'S WHEN HE WAS APPOINTED TO CITY ATTORNEY.
SO LET'S GIVE HIM A HAND 40 YEARS, 40 YEARS OF CITY ATTORNEY TURN LONG.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT NEXT.
WE HAVE A PRESENTATION OF THE SAFETY AWARDS TO THE CITY STAFF.
MR. KAO, EXPLAIN IT TO US PLEASE.
PURCHASING DIRECTOR LEAVES THE MIDDLE OF THE STATEWIDE WORK LOSS, UH, WORK DAYS.
UH, WE HAVE IN SOME DEPARTMENT, WE HAD NO LAW ORDER TO RECEIVE THE MUNICIPALITY.
UH, THESE
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY CAN DEVELOP INTO A FASHION TEAM EACH ONCE A WEEK.
WE'LL CHOOSE A DEPARTMENT TO INSPECT
I HAD ASKED
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OF PHILOSOPHY HERE.UH, I WAS TELLING SOMEBODY TODAY THAT IT'S A SHAME THAT MY TIME TO GET OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE ALL THIS WISDOM, UH, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S TIME TO END THINGS, BUT AS YOU GET OLDER, YOU GET A LITTLE BIT SMARTER.
AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED ALONG THE WAY IS EQUALITY.
AND YOU READ THIS A LOT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT, BUT IT'S THE RESULT OF INTELLIGENCE AND YOU HAVE TO REALLY WORK AT IT AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND THAT'S A GIVEN, AND IT'S A FACT, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT SAFETY HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY WORKED AT.
SO I FEEL REAL GOOD ABOUT HANDING THESE AWARDS OUT BECAUSE, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT AS A CLICHE OR WHATEVER, BUT SAFETY, ISN'T AN ACCIDENT.
SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO WORK REAL HARD TO BE SAFE.
AND, UH, SO I'M REAL PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THE FOLKS ARE WINNING THIS AWARD AND I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO
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OKAY.NOW THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS.
AND THAT'S THE ONCE A MONTH THAT WE HAVE THAT FOLKS CAN COME FORTH AND SAY THEIR PIECE.
SO WE'LL START WITH THE FRONT ROW, ANYBODY ON THE FRONT ROW, NOBODY ON THE FRONT OF FRONT SECOND, RUN, ANYBODY MAKE ANY GENERAL COMMENT, THIRD ROAD, ALRIGHT, LET'S COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS
AND, UH, I WROTE A LETTER AND I JUST WANT TO READ SOMETHING FROM THAT.
AND I WAS JUST STARTED FOR ME LAST NOVEMBER.
WHAT A CONSULTATION IS, WHAT HAPPENED ON 12 23 96, WHEN HE WAS $4,000, I PAID $13 AND 60 CENTS OR $3 AND 40 CENTS A THOUSAND ON JANUARY OF 97, I USE $3,000.
I PAID 1195 OR $3 AND 98 CENTS PER THOUSAND IN FEBRUARY, I USE $2,000.
I PAID 1195 AGAIN, AND THIS TIME I PAID 5 98 PER THOUSAND.
SO WHY DID I CONSIDER WHAT MY POINT IS THAT THERE WAS A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS AND YOU, ACCORDING TO THIS POLICY, I SEE NOTHING BUT A WAY TO ABUSE THE SYSTEM TO ENCOURAGE CONSERVATIVE ONE, UH, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE A NEIGHBOR OF MINE.
WHEN I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS, HE SAID HE MAKES IT A POINT TO USE ALL THE 3000 GALLON MINIMUM JUST TO, UH, AVOID THESE HIGH COSTS.
NOW IS EVERYBODY SUBJECTED TO THIS MINIMUM CHARGES.
UM, THIS TO ME, UH, IT IS ADVERSE IN REGARD TO A ONE MAN, ONE VOTE, THE BIGGER YOU ARE, THE BETTER YOU ARE GOING INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT AS BIG, FAIR, UH, A FAIR BIT TO DO THIS WOULD BE TO TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE RATED AS A DOLLAR 65 PER GALLON BASE, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
UH, USING THAT, I'M USING 3000 GALLONS THAT'S FOR OUR 95 CENTS AND I PAID 1 95, 7, $7 CHARGE JUST A BIT.
IF YOU TOOK ALL THE CUSTOMERS AND MULTIPLY THAT $70, MULTIPLY THAT NUMBER BY $7 AND ADDED A 10% FIGURE FOR CONTINGENCIES, AND THEN SPREAD THAT FILTER ACROSS THE COURSE OF THE ONES THAT WILL APPLY FOR THE CORRUPT FROM EVERYBODY, NOT TOO MUCH, BUT EVERYBODY NOW CAN BE BUILT ACCORDING TO USAGE RATHER THAN ACCORDING TO JUST BE.
AND IT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS THIS SYSTEM, THERE'S NOT CONCEPT.
I ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES ABUSIVE AND I TAKE IT.
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MR. I SAY, JUST THE HOT WILL RETURN MY, UH, MY LOVE.I SAY HE WOULD TURN MY LEG OVER TO THE MAYOR AND THE BORDER WALL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S HAPPENING EYES, BUT FROM MARCH UNTIL THIS DAY, NOTHING HAS BEEN FORTHCOMING FROM ANYONE.
SO I JUST WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE FOREFRONT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY TO THE MINIMUM USER.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION JUST IN, IN DEFENSE OF SPEAKING OF IT BOTH WAYS, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS OUT AND TO HAVE MINIMUM CHARGES ON IT, BUT YOU SEE THE COST TO RUN THE LINE TO YOUR HOUSE AND MAINTAIN IT.
AND THAT TYPE OF THING IS THE SAME AS FOR SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T TURN IT ON AT ALL, AS IT IS FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S USING THOUSANDS OF GALLONS AT THE CITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A MINIMUM CHARGE.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU, YOU COULD SIGN UP AND THEY CAN RUN THE PIPES AND YOU CAN NEVER TURN IT ON AND ON.
SO THAT'S BEEN A COST TO THE CITY AND WITH NO PAYBACK.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, WE'RE SPENDING THE OTHER CITIZENS MONEY TO DO THESE THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A MINIMUM CHARGE.
AND, UH, FOR AN EXAMPLE, YES, THE LAST WATER YOU USE, IF YOU DIVIDED THE MINIMUM AMOUNT INTO IT, IT WOULD APPEAR TO BE MORE PER GALLON.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE MORE YOU USED IT WOULD GET SMALLER PER GALLON.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY IS WORRIED ABOUT THE TOTAL, UH, NOT THE TOTAL BILL, BUT THE PRICE PER GALLON, Y YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD NOT SEEM TO BE A VERY ECONOMIC WAY TO THINK TO ME, THEY JUST RUN MORE WATER.
SO THERE'LL BE CHEAPER PER GALLON.
WHAT MAKES A BIGGER USER BETTER THAN A SMALLER GROUP? IN OTHER WORDS, HE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPREAD HIS COURSE OF THE MINIMUM COURSE OVER MANY, ONE DOWN.
WHY IS HE BETTER LIVES? WELL, THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS YOU MENTIONED RUNNING THE PIPE.
HOWEVER, THE BIG USE OF PUTS MORE STRAIN ON THE SYSTEM TO BEGIN WITH THE PUMPS HAVE TO WORK ON, AND THE GAUGES WILL BREAK DOWN THE WALL AND SELL OFF PLUS CREATES ONE TURBULENCE FOR THE SYSTEM.
BUT HE'S THE GUY THAT WE GET ARE MOVING FOR US, WHICH IS CALLED THE INCOME FROM, AND ALSO THE, UH, LARGER USERS PAY FOR THEIR ABILITY TO CONSUME THAT WATER BASED ON THE SIZE OF THEIR METER, JUST AS YOU DO.
AND SOME OF THOSE USERS WILL BE PAYING FOR THAT 3000 GALLONS.
THEY MAY BE PAYING $300 JUST FOR 3000 GALLONS, BUT OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO USE 150,000 GALLONS, BUT THEY'RE PAYING A MINIMUM CHARGE OF ABOUT $300.
IT GOES OUT, IT VARIES WITH THE SIZE OF THE METER THAT SERVES THE UNIT BECAUSE THE CITY MUST CALL IT A READINESS TO CHARGE.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE A FOUR INCH METER IN FRONT OF YOUR ESTABLISHMENT, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE WATER THAT WILL FLOW THROUGH THAT FOUR INCH METER, BECAUSE WHEN YOU TURN IT ON, YOU EXPECT TO GET WATER FROM IT.
SO WHEN WE PROVIDE THAT, WE CHARGED FOR THAT SERVICE IN THE SAME WAY WITH A RESIDENTIAL TAB, WHICH WOULD BE A THREE, FOUR INCH TAP OR FIVE, 8 CENTS TAP.
THERE'S A MINIMUM CHARGE FOR THAT SERVICE ALSO IN THE CITY IS THREE 50 OUTSIDE.
AND THEN WE CHARGE A MINIMUM OF 3000 GALLONS.
UH, SOME CITIES CHARGE JUST A BASIC MINIMUM, AND THEN THEY START CHARGING FOR EVERY THOUSAND GALLONS AFTERWARDS.
BUT IN THIS CITY, HISTORICALLY, THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO GIVE SOME VALUE FOR THE MINIMUM CHARTS THAT DAY, UH, DO CHARTS.
SO THEY, UH, ALLOW USE UP TO 3000 GALLONS, UH, BEFORE THEY HIT OVER THEIR MINIMUM CHARGE.
BUT, UH, ALL THE USERS IN THE CITY ARE CHARGED BASED ON THE SIZE OF THEIR WATER METER FOR WHAT WE CALL A READINESS TO SERVE CHARGE OR THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO PUT THE WATER THROUGH THE MIRROR THEN TO COMMODITY CHARGE, WHICH IS THE ACTUAL CHARGE FOR WATER IS CHARGED ON A PER THOUSAND GALLON BASIS, THE SAME PER THOUSAND FOR A LARGE USER, AS IT IS FOR A RESIDENTIAL USER.
BUT LOOKING AT IT THE WAY YOU LOOK AT IT WITH THE 3000 MINIMUM, IT DOES CHANGE THAT IT DOES CHANGE THAT, BUT I MEAN, THE CITY COULD CHOOSE TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE $11 AND THEN WE'LL CHARGE YOU A DOLLAR AND 50 CENTS FOR EVERY GAL, EVERY THOUSAND GALLONS YOU USE AFTERWARDS.
BUT THE BASE CHARGE HAS GOT TO COVER THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS TO PAY.
WHETHER WE GET ANY WATER, UH, SOLD OUT IN THE SYSTEM OR NOT, IT COVERS DEBT SERVICE.
IT COVERS SALARIES FOR EMPLOYEES.
IT COVERS ALL OF THE VARIOUS THINGS TO FIX CHARGES THAT THE CITY'S GOING TO HAVE, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT ANY WATER CONSUMED.
AND SO THE BEST WAY TO SPREAD THAT AROUND TO THE VARIOUS USERS IN THE SYSTEM, AT LEAST IN MOST PEOPLES, UH, HISTORICALLY ACROSS THIS STATE AND OTHER STATES HAS BEEN TO IMPOSE A MINIMUM CHARGE SO THAT THEY RECOVER THAT COST OF DEBT, THE CAPITALIZATION OF THE SYSTEM AND
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THEY, AND THE FIXED COSTS THAT WE HAVE INVOLVED.I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE MONEY, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY.
I'M SUGGESTING A DIFFERENT WAY OF OBTAINING THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, UH, CONSIDER THIS SCENARIO.
UH, YOU, FIRST OF ALL, YOU DO ROUND OFF YOUR NUMBERS TO THE NEAREST THOUSAND GALLONS, ACCORDING TO MY BILLS.
ANYWAY, NOW CONSIDER THIS SCENARIO.
UH, THE SENIOR CITIZEN USES FIVE, 10 GALLONS OF WATER BEFORE THE MONTH IS UP.
SEE THAT GETS ILL AND HAS TO GO TO THE HOSPITALS.
SO IT USUALLY STAYS AT 510 GALLON.
HOWEVER, AT THE END OF THE MONTH, HE STILL GETS A BILL FOR 1195.
I, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THE MINIMUM CHARGE AGAIN, IS BASED ON THE FIXED CHARGES OF THE SYSTEM.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE SENIOR CITIZEN GETS SICK.
IF RELATIVES COME IN FROM OUT OF TOWN AND LIVE IN THAT SENIOR CITIZENS HOUSE AND GO TO THE HOSPITAL FOR THAT SENIOR CITIZEN AND CONSUME 4,000 GALLONS OF WATER, WE MUST BE, WE MUST BE PREPARED TO SERVE.
WE MUST BE PREPARED IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO USE WHAT WATER.
SO WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO SERVE THE WATER THAT'S DEMANDED.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE'VE GOT TO FIX CERTAIN FACILITIES TO PROVIDE THAT WATER.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE GOT TO BORROW MONEY, OR WE'VE GOT TO INVEST MONEY TO DO THOSE FACILITIES.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET THAT MONEY BACK FAIRLY IS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT.
EVERY USER OF THE SYSTEM IS EVERY USER OF THE SYSTEM WOULD NECESSARILY PAY A PROPORTIONATE COST OF THEIR SHARE OF THAT COST, REGARDLESS OF THE WATER THAT THEY USE IT ON ME.
THAT, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION.
I GAVE YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES AND NOBODY'S SAYING IT, THE WAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IS WRONG.
IT'S JUST VARIOUS WAYS OF LOOKING AT IT, RIGHT? GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.
IF A PERSON IS SICK AND GOES TO THE HOSPITAL AND DOESN'T LIVE IN THEIR HOUSE THAT MONTH, THEY STILL HAVE TO MAKE THE HOUSE PAYMENT BECAUSE IT'S A FIXED COST, YOU KNOW, AND NOBODY SAYS, HEY, I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL THAT MONTH.
SO I SHOULDN'T MAKE A HOUSE PAYMENT.
ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD THE MISFORTUNE TO HAVE MY CAR BREAK DOWN AND, UH, PENNSYLVANIA, NOTHING WRONG WITH PENNSYLVANIA, BUT IT WAS A LONG WAY FOR A GUY TO SPEAK.
SOUTHERN GUY CAME UP AND HE OFFERED TO HOOK, HOOK THEM UP TO MY BUMPER FOR $25 A HOOKUP CHARGE.
AND THEN IT WAS A DOLLAR A MILE TO TELL HIM MY CAR.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S THE ACCENT.
I SAID, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE IDEA? HE SAID, WELL, I'LL LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
HE SAID, IT'S JUST AS MUCH WORK FOR ME TO CLIMB ONTO YOUR CAR AND GET ALL THIS AND JACK IT UP AND HOOK TO IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND PULL AT ONE MILE, I'VE STILL GOT TO DO THE SAME WORK TO HOOK IT UP AND GET IT LOOSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WHILE I'M PULLING YOU ONE MILE, A HUNDRED MILES, HE SAID, SUPPOSE YOU WERE JUST GOING A MILE AND I CHARGE YOU ABOUT A MILE.
I GOT TO DO ALL THAT WORK, CLIMB ONTO THE CAR AND HOOK UP TO THE BOPPER, ALL THAT.
SO THAT WAS HIS HOOKUP CHARGE AND THEN A DOLLAR PER MILE.
AND SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE WAY THAT THE CITY LOOKS AT IT, AND IT COULD BE OTHER WAYS OF LOOKING AT IT IS AS A FIXED COST THERE, THEY RUN THE LINE AND PUT ALL THE STUFF IN AND YOU GET READY TO USE WATER, UNLESS YOU'RE SUPPOSE TAKING IT TO ITS MOST RIDICULOUS, UH, UH, CASE, I GUESS YOU'D SAY THE ARGUMENT AD ABSURDUM OR WHATEVER.
THEY TRIED TO TEACH ME IN SCHOOL THAT IF YOU NEVER TURNED ON THE WATER, THEN THE CITY WOULD DO NOTHING BUT LOSE MONEY.
AND I MEAN, YOU COULD, THAT'S ACTUALLY YOUR OPTION.
YOU CAN SAY, HEY, I JUST DECIDED I DON'T USE WATER ANYMORE.
AND THE CITY STILL HAS TO HAVE THE FIXED COSTS OF THE METERING, THE FIVE, ALL THE STAFF IS INVESTED IN, PAID FOR IT.
SO IT LOOKS AS BAD AS LIKE A HOOKUP OR MAINTENANCE CHARGE TO HELP MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM.
WHERE ARE YOU COMING FROM IS, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THINKING THAT, THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GET A CHARGE FOR NOT USING SOMETHING.
AND I CAN SEE THAT IF IT'S LIKE AT THE GAS PUMP, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY ONLY CHARGING YOU FOR THE, FOR THE LIQUID COMING OUT.
BUT IN REALITY, WE'RE CHARGING FOR MORE THAN JUST THE LIQUID.
THE LIQUID IS PART OF IT, BUT GETTING THAT LIQUID, ANDY LEVIN AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE REST OF THE STORY, SO TO SPEAK.
SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEBODY LOOKS UP TO YOUR SYSTEM IS A CHARM.
SO I UNDERSTAND IT, THE NIGGA, ALL THE STUFF I HAVEN'T PUT IT IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY CUT IT.
HE CAN TELL YOU WHAT CHARGING THE CITY IS TWO 50 AND THE CHARGE OUTSIDE IS 3 75 FOR WATER TAP THAT COVERS THE UP.
THEY SAT ANOTHER METER, THE METER, THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN AND THE LABOR THAT HAS TO GO OUT THERE PAYING FOR THE WATER SYSTEM AND ALL OF IT STANDING BY, WHICH IS WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
JUST IN CASE YOU TURN THE TAMPON AND WANT SOME MORE WATER DELIVERED AS PART OF THIS, THE SETUP CHARGE, AS YOU JUST IN YOUR ANALOGY, THE HOOKUP WELL, WELL,
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RIGHT.WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HOOKING UP AND THEN FORGET THE PEOPLE AT THE WATER PLANT AND THE PUMPS AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF AND THE CHEMICALS AND ALL THIS READY, WAITING FOR YOU TO TURN THE TAP ON WHAT I SAYING, ALL THAT COST INTO THE ACTUAL COURSE OF THE WATER ITSELF, THE CHEMICALS, THE PUMPS, THE ELECTRICITY, EVERYTHING GOES INTO THE COST PER THOUSAND GALLONS.
SO INSTEAD OF A DOLLAR 65, OF COURSE, PER THOUSAND, GOD MIGHT BE A DOLLAR 95, BUT NOW YOU CAN BILL ME ON WHAT I USE IS THAT AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T USE ANYTHING, YOU'LL NEVER PAY, THAT'S CORRECT, BUT YOU'RE STILL A MAINTENANCE COST OF NECESSITY.
WHY SHOULD YOU ESCAPE? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'M, I'M CERTAINLY GOING TO USE WAR, UH, WITHOUT WATER WORLD.
BUT, UH, IF I, IF I WAS ABLE TO CONSISTENTLY USE ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE, SO I, YOU WERE BETWEEN TWO AND 3000 PER MONTH, AND I'M PAYING BETWEEN FOUR AND $6 PER A THOUSAND GALLONS.
AND THAT TO ME IS VERY UNFAIR CONSIDERING THAT YOUR BIG DEAL, THAT'S NOT A DOLLAR 65, I DOLLARS DOLLAR $70, 75.
WHY ARE THEY SO MUCH BETTER THAN I AM? WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU SOME MATH THAT REALLY SCARY.
LET'S SAY THAT YOU USED A THOUSANDTH OF AN OUNCE THAT MONTH NOW DIVIDE.
LET'S SAY A BILLION OF AN OUNCE CAN DO THE NIGHT POWER, I GUESS, WOULD BE A BIT ONE OVER 10 AT NIGHT.
YOU USE THAT AS HOW MUCH WATER YOU USE AND THAT IF I, THAT, THAT SET CHARGE UNDER THAT, AND THAT'LL REALLY SPIN YOUR WHEELS.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH A GALLON IT COSTS YOU, THAT'D PROBABLY BE SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS A GALLON OR MORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU WANT TO SHIFT THE NUMBERS BACK AND FORTH, IF YOU USE A, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF, I PROBABLY A TRILLION DOLLARS A GALLON, BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS, AND AGAIN, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, YOU HAVE YOUR WAY OF OBSERVING.
THERE'S AN ARGUABLE WAY OF DOING IT.
AND THE CITY DOES IT ANOTHER WAY BECAUSE IT'S LOOK AT IT AS IS.
AND IT'S A HISTORICAL LOOK FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND WHAT MOST OTHERS OTHER CITIES DO IS CORRECT.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL OR DIFFERENT THING.
WHAT YOU SAYING IN THE SENSE THAT YOU CAN ARGUE EITHER WAY, THE CITY USED TO HAVE ONE CALLED A DECLINING BLOCK RATE STRUCTURE, WHICH MEANT THAT, UH, WHICH WAS EVEN MORE ONE-SIDED THAT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT USE A LOT OF WATER PAY A LOT OF DOLLARS, THEY GAVE A BREAKUP WHEN IT WENT UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT THEY, I DECLINED.
HE BLOCKED ME WHEN IT HIT A CERTAIN BLOCK, IT WOULD GO DOWN IN COST PER A THOUSAND AND HE HAD ANOTHER THOUSAND BLOCK.
IT WOULD GO DOWN AND COST PER THOUSAND.
AND THE CITY CHANGED THAT BECAUSE, UH, ALL ACROSS THE STATE AND ALL ACROSS THE NATION, PEOPLE THAT HAD THAT KIND OF A BLOCK, IT WASN'T, IT WAS NOT ENCOURAGING WATER CONSERVATION.
AND SO THEY WENT TO THIS SYSTEM THAT WE ARE AT NOW, WHICH THIS IS PREDOMINANT ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, IT'S CALLED A COMMODITY CHARGE AND A READINESS TO SERVE CHARGE, COMBINATION, OR RATE STRUCTURE.
AND IT IS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S FAIR MYSELF.
I THINK IT'S ABOUT AS FAIR AS WE COULD DO.
AND IT DOES ENCOURAGE, UH, CONSERVATION BECAUSE IT DOES NOT GIVE BREAKS TO HEAVY USERS.
THEY HAVE TO PAY THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THEIR MILLION GALLON AS THEY PAID FOR THEIR 3000 IN ONE GALLON.
BUT IT DOESN'T ENCOURAGE ME AS A SMALL CONCERN.
IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO CONCERN, WELL, LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE TO THE, TO THE SIMILAR SYSTEM AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE GOT RATE STRUCTURES WILL BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL CONSIDER.
AND I'LL MAKE YOU A PROMISE THAT WHEN THAT COMES UP AND WE'RE A PART OF IT, WE'LL ARGUE THAT AND TAKE A LOOK, I'LL ASK THE CITY ENGINEER, WHOEVER WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT PARTICULAR THING TO JUST RUN UP, RUN SOME CALCULATIONS AND SEE WHAT THEY BROUGHT THE PROJECTED EFFECT WOULD BE ON A CONSERVATION JUST FOR ALL OF US HAS BENEFIT.
SO, I MEAN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'LL TAKE YOUR POINT IS, IS BEING A POINT.
WELL, THE WAY I SAID, IF THE PRICE OF WATER GOES UP, LET'S SAY FROM THE DOLLAR 65 AND SPREAD IT ACROSS, GOES UP TO TALKING PURPOSES $2.
NOW YOU'RE BUILDING ON NEWS NOW FOR ME, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY.
I WON'T BE ENCOURAGED TO CONCERN.
I'M SURE WHEN WE'RE PUT USERS WOULD BE THE SAME THING IS THAT PAYING TWO, $2 AND THEY SAY, HEY, WE CAN, WE CAN SAVE 10,000 GALLONS BY GETTING NEW EQUIPMENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT THAT'S PURELY USING THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS NOW.
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OKAY, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK UNDER THE, UH, REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS? SECTION OF IT? MY NAME IS STEVIE BENNETT AND I LIVE AT 13, 12 NATIONAL LAB IN RIVERSIDE.I AM HERE TO REQUEST THAT THE FENCE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MONK MALIK PARK AT THE CORNER OF NORTH PREGNANT AND DUNN STREET BEING MOVED FROM ITS PRESENT LIKE PATIENT.
AND RE-INSTALL THE PARK PROPERTY LINE.
WHEN THE FENCE WAS INSTALLED IN OCTOBER OF 95, THIS SECTION OF FENCE WAS ALL SET, APPROXIMATELY TWENTY-FIVE FEET INSIDE THE COURT PROPERTY LINE.
THIS WAS DONE AT THE REQUEST OF THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT LIVES NEXT TO THE PARK OR MORE CRAIGIE STREET.
HE REQUESTED THIS SO THAT WE COULD HAVE ALL STREET PARKING AND ACCESS TO THE GATE IN HIS BACKYARD, THIS 25 FOOT EASEMENT HAS CONTINUOUSLY BEEN AN UNSIGHTLY MALE.
HOWEVER, DURING THE PAST WEEK, THE 25 FOOT EASEMENT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP.
SOME MY OTHER CONCERNS THAT THIS EASEMENT WAS NOT BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD IN HIS NOT BEING REPORTED AT THE REGISTER OF DEEDS IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EASEMENTS ON CITY PROPERTY ARE GRANTED BY RESOLUTION OF THE FULL HOME.
SO I'M ASKING THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER MY REQUEST FOR MOVING FENCE TO THE PARK PROPERTY LINE.
AND TO ALSO ADVISE ME AS TO WHETHER THIS 25 FOOT EASEMENT WAS PROPERLY BRAINED.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT OR CAN ANSWER RIGHT AWAY THERE? AND I'M NOT SURE IT IS.
I WASN'T SURE IF THE EASEMENT WAS GRANTED.
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST RIGHT ANYWAY.
THAT WAS GRANTED TO THE GUY WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.
WE HAD GOTTEN A LETTER FROM HIS BENNET.
WE'VE GOT TO TURN THAT IN THIS VENDOR TO RESPOND AND WENT AND TALKED WITH THE GENTLEMAN ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE STILL PROBLEMS WITH THE TRACK THAT HE HAS OVER THERE.
AND THEN YOU ASKING THAT WE MOVE THE FENCE AND TAKE BACK THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE'VE GIVEN HIM.
SO IT FELT THAT WE SHOULD GIVE HIM AT LEAST THE OPPORTUNITY IF THE PROBLEM WAS THAT IT NEEDED TO BE CLEANED.
AND THAT THE REASON THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT HE SHOULD NOT HAVE, IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT CLEAN, BUT WE COULD GET THEM TO CLEAN IT AND MAINTAIN IT AS CLEAN CLEANLINESS.
AND IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY FOR US TO TAKE IT AWAY CAUSE WE GAVE IT TO HIM AND WE FELT THAT HE REQUESTED IT BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED.
AND WE WERE HOPING THAT WITHIN A SHORT TIME PERIOD, THAT HE WOULD SHOW US SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THE WAY THAT HE'D BE GODS THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WE GIVE IT TO HIM AND NOT DO A COST, WHATEVER IS NECESSARY.
WELL
I THINK ALL WE JUST DID, BUT THE FENCE OVER TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY, AND OF COURSE VA'S PUBLIC PROPERTY.
SO WE JUST, THEY UTILIZE, IT WAS LOUD AND THE ACCESS TO HIS BACKYARD, HIS HOUSE
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THE MAIN STREETTHE GENTLEMAN WAS LIVING THERE AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T CAUSE ANY HARDSHIP OR ANY PROBLEM FOR ANYONE IN SUCH THE POCKETS VERY LARGE.
AND WE FELT THAT IF HE WAS GIVEN THE RIGHT AWAY TO AT LEAST ALLOW THEM ACCESS TO THE BACK OF HIS PROPERTY, THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY.
AND IT WAS, BUT I READ THAT HE ASKED COST A PROBLEM.
AND SO WHAT WE DID IS GO AND TALK TO HIM AND WE FELT THAT IF WE TALK WITH THE GENTLEMAN AND ASK FOR HIS COOPERATION AND MAKE HIM AWARE OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN, WE COULD DEFINITELY MOVE OUT FENCE TO THE END OF OUR PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD DISALLOW HIM THE PRIVILEGE TO GO INTO THE BACKYARD FROM THAT ACCESS.
IF HE'S GOING TO USE JUST ONE JUMPER STORES, THEN OF COURSE THE FENCE WHO ASKED THAT THE FENCE WOULD BE MOVED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF KINDNESS, TRY TO GIVE THE GENTLEMEN NOT OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT WE WERE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE'S IN ABOUT MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY, THE WAY THAT YOU FEEL THAT HE SHOULD OTHERS, AND THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND HOPEFULLY HE WOULD CLEAN IT UP AND WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE A BIG DISTURBANCE OF BIG CONCERNED ABOUT TAKING IT AWAY RIGHT AWAY, MOVING THE FENCE.
WE JUST MET HIM, MOVING IT OVER.
AND, UM, THE AMOUNT OF FEET THAT WE MOVED IT, THE OTHER WAY, THAT WAY IT WOULD, HE CAN'T GET TO THE BACKYARD.
HE PLAYED, WELL, HE CAN GO FROM THE OTHER SIDE BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, TO THE SCOPE, JUST THIS, THIS ONCE AND IN THE BEGINNING TWO TIMES, AND I FELT THAT HE SHOULD COMPLY.
OF COURSE, IF HE DOES NOT COMPLY, THEN IT'S THESE BEING DEFIANT AND HE'S DONE THAT GOING TO.
AND SO TO MOVE THE FENCE, IF YOU THINK THAT COULD RESOLVE THE SITUATION, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE IS AN ALTERNATIVE.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MOVE THE FENCE OVER, BUT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GIVE HIM SOME CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER, LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ARE AWARE THAT IT HAS ABUSED AND THAT WE WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH.
UM, AND HAS HE BEEN GIVING US SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO OR REALLY LIKE IN THE BEGINNING HE WAS, HE WAS JUST TOLD THAT HE COULDN'T WAKE US, KNOWS THAT HE CAN'T PUT THAT, LEAVE THAT CAR THERE THAT'S ABANDONED CAR.
AND HE KNOWS IT WAS JUST A MATTER WITH TRACTION.
IT'S NOT VERY NEAT AROUND THAT AREA.
MY MAIN HAS BEEN TOLD ABOUT THE CAR AND HE HAD MOVED THE CAR.
HE HAD TO BE AT THE DAY I KINDA THINK THAT THE ONE TIME THAT WE GAVE HIM SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THEM MADE IT CLEAR TO HIM THAT WHAT WE WOULD DO IS MOVE FAST.
IF HE DIDN'T MOVE IT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS, WHICH IT WAS JUST ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO THAT I PERSONALLY TALKED TO HIM.
MR. HARTMAN HAD ALREADY GONE BY AND RIGHT.
DADDY AND MR. HARTMAN WENT BACK BEFORE AND TALKED WITH HIM.
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IMPRESSION THAT WE HAD IMPRESSED WITH HIM THAT HE'S BEEN PLAYING.AND IF HE HAS NOT, LET ME GO BACK.
WE CAN, IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SET A TIME, I JUST DON'T LIKE TO BE, I GOT A FEELING SHE'S GOING TO SET UP TIME.
CAUSE WE GOING TO SAY, I THINK I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SITUATION, BUT, UH, IF, IF WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC, IN MY OPINION, IF WE HAVE SOME SPECIFIC, UH, THINGS THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL NEEDS TO BE DOING, AND WE OUGHT TO GIVE HIM SOME SORT OF TIMEFRAME, IF HE DOESN'T DO IT, WE NEED TO MOVE TO FENCE PROPER.
THAT'S THE KIND OF GARBAGE THAT HE HAS.
HE CAN GET IT CLEANED UP IN THE AFFIDAVIT.
YES, WE CAN NOTIFY HIM, BUT HE'S BEEN, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST GO IN THE HOUSE, YOU DON'T JUST GO IN UPSET A PERSON'S WAY OF LIVING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S BEING NASTY.
SO WHAT WE DO IS TRY TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO CLEAN IT UP, CLEANING UP IS A PROBLEM.
AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN IT UP.
AND IF HE DOES NOT CLEAN IT UP, OF COURSE WE'LL TAKE WHATEVER MEASURES WE NEED TO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE UNIQUENESS OF THERE.
THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T FEEL THAT JUST TO GO IN, AS YOU REQUESTED, TAKE AWAY THE USE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE GAVE, IT WAS, WAS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO WITHOUT FIRST GIVING HIM THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND SO IT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS IS ENOUGH IN MY FAVORITE.
MR. WELL, YOUR OTHER LETTER ON JUNE, THE 19TH SPOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE TALKED TO HIM, WE FELT THAT THE GENTLEMAN WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU WROTE AGAIN, THAT'S WHEN I WENT TO TALK TO HIM, MYSELF AND I FEEL CONFIDENT.
AND YOU'LL NEVER, I THINK YOU ASKED THAT I, UM, THAT YOU, YOU MADE REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT I WAS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ONES WHO WAS HELPFUL TO THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BEGINNING AND YOU WERE REQUESTING THAT I REQUESTED TO BE TAKEN AWAY.
SO WHEN I DO THAT, I'D LIKE TO FEEL THAT I HAVE AT LEAST EXTENDED ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GENTLEMAN TO DO WHAT HE HAD TO DO, BUT I BOUGHT HIM HIS RIGHTS AS A CITIZEN.
AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE ACTION IF NECESSARY.
I THINK THAT WE'VE TALKED TO HIM, AS YOU HAVE SAID, IT'S BEEN, AND WE CAN GO WITH ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS.
AND IF HE HASN'T MOVED THERE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, THEN WE'LL TAKE OUT OUR RIGHT AWAY BACK IF I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TAKING IT BACK AT THAT TIME.
BUT JUST TO GO AND TAKE IT BACK TO CUSTODY WITHOUT FIRST, GIVING ME UP TO ME, IT WAS UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT I'M NOT UNCOMFORTABLE AT ALL WITH, SINCE WE'VE GIVEN THEM ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN UP AND TO MAINTAIN IT TO ME, TO GO AND TAKE OUR PROPERTY BACK.
NOW, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT IT'S THE HARTMAN.
AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS AND MR. HARTMAN AND MR. MEADOWS WOULD, UH, GIVE THE GUY AN OFFICIAL LETTER, YOU KNOW, LETTING HIM MAKE HIM AWARE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WILL DO.
WE WILL MOVE THE PROPERTY OF THE FENCE OVER AGAIN ABOUT PROPERTY.
AND WE WILL DO IT IMMEDIATELY.
IF HE, IF HE VIOLATES IT, CLEAN IT UP TOMORROW.
AND THEN AFTER THE TWO WEEKS HE MESSED IT UP AGAIN.
THEN I SUGGEST WE JUST, WITHOUT ANY NOTICE, GO AND MOVE OUT.
IT SHOULD NOT BE THE, IT DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT BE.
I'VE SAID IT ONE, I'M SORRY TO COVER THAT.
WHAT'S ON OUR PROPERTY SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WRITE HIM ALL THOSE NOTICES AND WAIT THOSE 15 DAYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT? I DON'T THINK SO.
WE CAN JUST GO AND MOVE THAT COP OUT PROPERTY.
PLEASE, PLEASE ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE IF YOU WOULD.
AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ROLAND ZOO TALE.
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TO THE PROPOSED CONVENTION CENTER THAT WE HAVE COMING IN.UM, I'VE BEEN IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CHARLES TYSON AND HE'S ASSURED US THAT WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE PUBLIC INPUT AT EVERY STAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONFERENCE CENTER CONVENTION CENTER.
AND, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, REQUEST THAT THE CITY SEE THAT THIS HAPPENED, THAT THEY, UH, THAT THE, UH, COUNTY NOT ACT IN A VACUUM IN ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE, UH, ADEQUATE CITIZEN AND GOVERNMENT CITY, GOVERNMENT INPUT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONFERENCE CENTER, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LASTING IMPACT ON US AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THE SAME THING.
SO I TAKE HIM OUT THE WORD, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE TIME COMES, IF IT LET US KNOW.
SO
THAT SHOULD WORK ANYBODY ELSE, NOBODY ELSE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING.
AND THAT IS THE PUBLIC AREA AND ABOUT AN ORDINANCE TO ADD SECTION 15 DASH 85 PUBLIC NOTIFICATION FOR SUBDIVISION PLANS.
AND YOU REMEMBER SOME BOARD YOU HAD BEFORE YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE, WHICH IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION REVIEW PROCESS.
I THINK YOU ALL RECALL, UM, AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING ALDERMAN AND OTTOMAN MATTINGLY'S DIRECTED STAFF WAS ASKED TO PREPARE A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR THAT NOTIFICATION, THIS NOTIFICATION ORDINANCE, UH, IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR MAILING NOTICE WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE AFFECTED PROPERTY, UH, AS WELL AS THE POSTING OF A SIGN AND THE NEWSPAPER NOTICE IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER PUBLIC NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS IN THE LAND USE ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO ISSUANCE OF SPECIAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND ALSO A REZONING APPLICATIONS.
SO WE'VE COPIED THAT OF LANGUAGE IN THIS ORDINANCE ON, THEN I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
CAN WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC? I THINK IT'S A GREAT CHANGE TO GIVE THE CITIZENS IN THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO STATE HERE APPROVAL OR OPPOSITION.
THAT'S THE AMENDMENT WE ADOPTED.
WE HAVE TO GO OVER HERE AND WE GOT TO PIVOT HERE AND RIGHT NOW, YEAH, SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGE.
MR. RAINS, NOBODY JUST TO STEAL IT.
WE KNOW IT'S COMING AND I RESIDE 16, 18, UH, INTEREST IN THE PUBLIC, I SUPPOSE, UH, UH, LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE THIS AFTERNOON THAT HAS HAPPENED TO CATCH IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
AND, UH, LET ME SAY AT THE OUTSET, UH, I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S EVER BEEN THERE TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF SUBDIVISION FRUIT ON HER BASKET.
UH, ONES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN HAVE BEEN PROPERLY LISTED IN THE NEWSPAPER.
AND THE AGENDA HAS BEEN LISTED GENERALLY SPEAKING, BEFORE A SUBDIVISION PROCESS EVER BEGINS.
THERE'S A, A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF SURVEYING WORK THAT GOES ON THERE.
A LOT OF OUR AGREEMENTS ON AROUND A TREE, THERE ARE A LOT PAST CUT THROUGH THE WOODS.
AND, UH, IT'S NOT INTENTION THAT VIRTUALLY ANYBODY WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THAT PROPERTY IS GOING TO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S GOING ON AND THEY'RE GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO AND FIND OUT WHAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING SOUTHERNERS.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE PUBLIC, UH, VERIFICATION.
UH, I THINK PROBABLY WHERE WE HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION IS I CAN SEE WHERE THIS ORDINANCE WILL NOT SERVE THE PUBLIC GOOD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FASHION.
IN FACT, I THINK IT WILL ACTUALLY BE HORRIBLE, BUT TO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, UH, THE SECOND THAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT
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IF A DEVELOPER NEEDS THE LETTER AND THE ATTENDANT OR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND REQUESTING APPROVAL BASED ON HAVING MET THE LETTER OF INTENT THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY IS ENTITLED TO A PROMPT AND EXPEDITIOUS APPROVAL OF THEIR SUBDIVISION, UH, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DELAY AND TO INVITE PUBLIC INPUT INTO THE PROCESS WITH AN ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IN THIS WAY.I THINK IT MAKES THEM BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO, TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THE ACTION PLANNING OF SOMEONE ELSE'S SUBDIVISION.
AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
UH, I THINK THAT, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS PROPERTY, UH, HAS DESIGNATED THE PROPERTY CERTAIN PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, AS LONG AS THEY OPERATE IN A LETTER OF LAW AND MEET THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND THEY'RE ENTITLED TO DEVELOP A SUBDIVISION, UH, SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T, UH, THREATEN THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE, BUT PRETTY MUCH IN ANY FASHION, HUMANS TOO, AS LONG AS THEY COMPLY WITH THE ORDERS.
UH, I THINK WHAT IT LEADS TO IS, UH, A SITUATION OF DELAYS.
AND THIS IS WHERE I DON'T THINK IT SERVES THE PUBLIC GOOD.
IF YOU GO 50 LOTS OF EMISSIONS TODAY, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT YOU HAVE ANYTHING LESS THAN $600,000 EMBEDDEDNESS AT THAT STAGE OF THE GAME.
AND IF THAT SUBDIVISION IS DELAYED, UH, BECAUSE OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS, EVEN THOUGH RICK COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, UH, THROUGH MISUNDERSTANDING OR MISINFORMATION, UH, EVERY 30 DAYS THAT YOU'RE DELAYED IN MAKING A MISTAKE ABOUT IT, IF YOU MISS ONE APPROVAL AT ONE, MAYBE YOUR SPARE 30 DAYS.
IN FACT, BECAUSE OF THE TWO WEEKS OF MIDDLE PERIODS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADD TO A 50 LOT SUBDIVISION, $100 PER MONTH, AND THAT'S,
AND I CANNOT SEE FOR THE LIFE OF ME USUALLY LEGS.
I MEAN, LET'S MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.
UH, THE PLAN IS BOARDS AND ADVISORY BOARD IS OFTEN DIFFICULT FOR THOSE SIT OUT, SIT UP HERE IN FRONT OF THEIR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT A SPECIFIC CLAIM THAT DOESN'T LOCK.
IT MAY BE WITHIN THE LETTER OF YOUR MAYBE UNTIL YOURS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF TIMES TABLE, UH, DID THAT APPROVE PAPER, AND IT'S GOING TO SIT THERE.
IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 30 DAYS BEFORE YOU CAN GET IN FRONT OF THE DECISION-MAKING BOARD, WHICH IS THE BOARD INVOLVED.
AND AS A RESULT, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUILD A NEW HOME IN THEIR SUBDIVISION WITHOUT HAVING AN EXTRA A HUNDRED DOLLARS INVESTMENT.
AND, UH, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S VERY FAIR.
YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK ALSO THAT, UH, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S A FURTHER EROSION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
I THINK IF AN INDIVIDUAL OWNS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY MEET THE LETTER OF INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE AND TO DO A PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, ON A LIAR, UH, 21% OF THEM SPACE AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THERE, AND THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN A 35% OF THEM SPECIAL, THEY MIGHT CONTINUE THAT, UH, IT'S GOING TO BE THE VALUE OF THEIR PRODUCT IF I'M BUILDING A SOUTHERN ISSUE AND IT'S AWFULLY HARD FOR THEM TO PROVE THAT IT WILL, BUT YOU SEE IN THE ORDINANCE BURDEN OF PROOF THAT IT WON'T, IT'S ONLY, SO IT COULD EASILY BEGIN EACH INHALATION.
AND THAT'S A VERY SUBJECTIVE THINGS AND OPINIONS THAT I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I FELT, UH, TRACKER'S CREEK SUBDIVISION MANY YEARS AGO, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS JUST UP THERE.
THEY SAID RUINED PROBABLY THAT.
AND I THINK IN, IN ALL HONESTY, THEY PROBABLY INTERGEST IN THERE THAT A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG THERE IT'S FIXED UP.
SO SET TIME, PROPER DROPPING PATH, GREAT ASPIRATION, AND GIVEN HOW
UH, THERE ARE SOME WHO ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS, UH, AND THERE ARE NONE OF US THERE.
SO THERE'S NO REASON IN THE WORLD FOR ME TO THINK I CAN SATISFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 200 THERE'S ACID TO AFFECT THIS PARCEL.
UH, I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO A SMALL BUSINESS PERSON TO A SMALL DEVELOPER.
UH, ALSO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OVER 280 PAGES OF LAND USE ORDINANCE, NOT INCLUDING AMENDMENTS AND INDEX.
SO WE'VE GOT ADEQUATE REGULATION.
UH, WE'VE GOT AN ACTIVE NOTIFICATION.
IF YOU READ A NEWSPAPER, JUST LIKE I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, MEANING NOT.
AND WE PRESENTLY GOT A DEVELOPER, HE HIS, OR HER ENGINEER, OR A SURVEYOR, A CONSULTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND HIS STAFF IS ONLY ADMINISTRATOR.
THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, THE CITY UTILITIES DIRECTOR, ACTUALLY AT THE OFFICER, THE OF TRANSPORTATION.
IF YOU'VE GOT TO GET A DRIVER PERMIT, THE PLANNING BOARD, THE BOARD OF ALL, AND UP TO 23 STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES REVIEWING SUBDIVISION PLAN, UH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S,
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THEY ARE 12 PAGES AND SUCH IN 1579 HOURS BEFORE DEDICATED, STRICTLY TO MAKE YOUR SUBDIVISION UP FINAL PLAN APPROVAL, GENERAL PLAN APPROVAL PARTS OF SECTION 9, 11, 13, 14, 15, AND 16.UH, THERE ARE EIGHT RESTRICTED ZONING AND CITY RESIDENTIAL ZONING CONDITIONS.
SO WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF REGULATIONS.
WE'RE NEVER GOING TO REACH A POINT WHERE A PIECE OF VACANT PROPERTY ADJACENT TO A DISNEY NEGRA IS, IS GOING TO MAKE THE PEOPLE IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
HECK IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A DISSERVICE TO THIS BOAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND OF TIME LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS COMPLAINTS.
UH, I'VE KINDA, AND OUT OF A FEELING OF RESPONSIBILITY, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WHEN POINT'S NOT BACK, BUT THE PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING, THE PLANNING OFFICE, WHICH HAS ALREADY STRETCHED OUT, UH, BUSY, UH, HANDLING A MYRIAD OF, OF PROBLEMS RESULTING FROM THE 280 PAGES OF CURRENT REGULATION IS GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOUR PHONE CALLS ARE RELATED TO THE SIGNS AND THE LETTERS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CONFUSED.
UH, CAN'T IMAGINE THIS SERVING ANY PURPOSE TO ADD COSTS TO HOUSING AND HUMAN, WHICH IS ALREADY A HIGH COST AREA.
I MIGHT ALSO ADD, I'M ALWAYS SUSPECT OF A NEW WARD WAS PART OF, IT WAS ALREADY IN EXISTING ORDERS IN SECTION 1579, PARAGRAPH B TO HAE THE SIGNAGE PROVISION FOR PHOTOS AND THE OF PROVISION FOR LANDING ALMOST ALL AGES.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEED AT ALL FOR I TO WITHIN, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD IS IF I CANNOT, UH, REJECT IT OUT, LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S OVER TOO, UH, IS THAT THE AT LEAST PAINFUL AND, UH, TEAM DID PUBLIC HEARING DO SOME RESEARCH, CATCH THEM UP ON THIS AND, AND SEE IF THERE'S NOT A WAY TO KEEP US FROM PUTTING ANOTHER REGULATION BOOK.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE DETECT SOME OFF, BUT LET'S CERTAINLY NOT.
UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
I SAID THAT I WILL HAPPILY COMPLY WITH WHATEVER YOUR DECISION IS.
LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, NUMBER ONE AND NOT BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, HOW DO YOU, HOW WOULD YOU, YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE GOOD DEVELOPERS AND BAD DEVELOPERS, UH, AND I ASSUME THAT, UH, ALL THE REGULATIONS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IF WE HAD ENOUGH OF THEM AND IF THEY WERE AS AIR TIGHT AND AS WELL-DEFINED AS IS PEOPLE THINKING THEY WERE, I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD HAVE ANY BAD DEVELOPERS.
AND YET BY, BY DEFINITE, I MEAN, BY, I SHOULD'VE SAID, YEAH, GOOD AND BAD PAPER, YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE REGULATIONS IN THE WORLD JUST LIKE YOUR CONTRACT.
WELL, MY POINT THAT I'M MAKING IS THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING IN THIS LITTLE HOT SEAT HERE FOR FOUR YEARS, THE GREATEST THING THAT I HAVE FOUND ABOUT PEOPLE COMING FORTH FROM THE PUBLIC UP IN ARMS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OF WHATEVER.
AND IT'S AMAZING TO ME IS A TOTAL, ALMOST TOTAL LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE PEOPLE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
IN FACT, A LOT OF THE NEWS THEY GET ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OR NOT HAPPEN HAPPENS RIGHT HERE IN THIS ROOM.
NOW THAT MEANS ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT MEANS EITHER WHEN YOU DEFINE A GOOD DEVELOPERS, A BAD DEVELOPERS OR WHATEVER, IT MAY BE.
SOME FOLKS DIDN'T SEEM TO THINK THERE WAS A NEED TO LET ANYBODY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, BUT THERE IS BECAUSE THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE A GANG OUT THERE BECAUSE IN MOST CASES, AND I'LL AGREE WITH THAT PART.
IT TURNS OUT TO BE A PRETTY GOOD DEVELOP, PRETTY GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL.
AND A LOT OF TIMES IT WAS, IT WAS JUST MISINFORMATION.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THEY ALL LACK OF COMMUNICATION, REARS ITS UGLY, BUT I CAN PUT MYSELF IN THE POSITION OF THE, OF THE PERSON AND A LOT OF CASES THAT HAVE PUT ALL THEIR LIFE SAVINGS OR WHATEVER IN THE HOME, WHETHER THEY CAME DOWN HERE AND RETIRED OR WHATEVER IT IS AND THAT LARGEST INVESTMENT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THEIR HOME AND WHATEVER IS THEIR, THEIR LEGACY, THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE WITH THE KIDS.
AND, UH, IF THE MONEY IS IN THE STOCK MARKET, EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS BLUFFING THAT WAY OR THAT WAY, WHAT WAS GOING ON IN CHINA OR WHEREVER.
BUT, UH, IT WAS REAL EASY FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'D BE CONCERNED THAT A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE ALL THEIR MONEY IN THAT THING THEY LIVE IN IN.
AND THEY'RE WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THE STREET SO ALL THIS ATTEMPT WAS BY MR. MADDICK MAN.
WELL, THAT'S THE PROPER WAY OR THE WORDING IS RIGHT OR WHATEVER.
I WAS, THAT'S NOT MY GAME WHERE MY BUSINESS,
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BUT IT WASN'T AN ATTEMPT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THERE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.AND IT'S ALMOST A, UH, A CAUSE AND EFFECT THING IN THE SENSE THAT IF THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE INVITED, SO TO SPEAK, TO, TO COME UP AND SAY WHAT THEY LIKE OR DON'T LIKE, THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT THEY WOULD OUGHT TO BE SOME, UH, SOME EMOTION ON THE, ON THE PART OF THE DEVELOPER IN THE FUTURE, IF NOT IN THE PAST AND A GOOD DEVELOPER PROBABLY WAS ALREADY DOING IT, THEY GO OUT AND LET THE PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE TERRITORY TO SMOOTH ALL THAT OUT BEFOREHAND, BEFORE WE PUT $600,000 AND A PIECE OF GROUND AND THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO SALLY FORTH AND THAT YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SATISFY, OH, HEY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT HERE, YOU AIN'T GONNA SATISFY EVERYBODY, BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT I'VE SEEN HIM LEAVE HERE MANY MORE TIME.
SATISFIED WHEN I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT.
PAUL SAYS, IF A DEVELOPMENT MAKES THE LETTER AND THE INTENT IS THAT ORDERS AND THAT PERSON INCLUDED ACCORDING TO THE INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT IS ENTIRELY TO THE FRUIT OF YOUR ORDERS.
1565, GIVE HIM THE RIGHT TO AN EXPEDITIOUS FRUIT.
AND I'M SAYING TO YOU ANOTHER THIRD OR PLACE ON THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN THAT SUBDIVISION AT A LATER THEY'RE PAYING EXTRA MILK BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC WAS INVITED TO WHAT IT'S ALREADY.
MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? IF I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE AND YOU WERE TELLING ME THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST ME AN EXTRA HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THAT LOT, FOR ONE MONTH, SIX MONTHS, WHATEVER, $600.
BUT THEN I COULD TURN BACK AROUND AND I COULD SAY, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY NEXT TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, AFTER I BUILD MY HOUSE, THOSE PEOPLE GOT TO GO TO SLEEP THROUGH THE SAME THING.
SO I JUST PAID FOR A LITTLE BIT OF INSURANCE.
THEY KNOW THAT I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE MINE.
MY NEIGHBORHOOD TURNED INTO SOMETHING I DIDN'T EXPECT WHEN I MOVED OUT, BUT YOU'RE NOT BUYING ANY INSURANCE
AND EVEN THESE 800 CLASSIFICATIONS, THEY CAN COME UP HERE AND SAY, WE DON'T LIKE THIS.
BUT IF IT READS THE LETTER AND THE INTENT, THE ORDINANCES IS WRITTEN, THAT'S THE OF THE GAME THEN WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE MR. WARD? WELL, I MEAN, WHEN TO ASK QUESTIONS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN THEY COME OUT HERE, CHECKING THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES IT, I MEAN, SOMEWHERE IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL STAGE OF WHETHER THIS THING IS GOING TO FLY.
NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ASKED AT THE TERMINATIONS NIGHT.
IS THAT BE INFORMED? WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ADD ADDITIONAL BURDENS TO THE DEVELOP.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE IN THE AREA THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT IS THEY'RE MADE AWARE OF.
IT'S NOT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN TO YOU.
IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS, I CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CITY AND
AND, AND, AND IT'S WHAT THE SENSITIZATION OF AMERICAN
AND I'M TELLING YOU WHEN TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BOOK, LIKE THIS CAN BE IN FIRE.
THE NEXT ONE IS TO BE THAT MR. HARTMAN MUST ADD UP TO THIS HOUSE.
AND EVEN THOUGH HE'S GOT ABOUT A BUILDING PERMIT, JUDY WAS DEAD.
LIKE WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT SEE IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TRUE, IT WON'T MATTER WHETHER JULIUS LIKES IT OR NOT.
IF THEY MADE IT SHOULDN'T, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER.
BUT BEING SENSITIVE AND BEING AS SYMPATHETIC AS WE HAVE BEEN, I CAN SEE THAT HOLDING UP SOMETHING AS AN INDEPENDENT, CAUSE THEY'LL COME UP HERE AND CRY THE BLUES AND WISHES, SYMPATHETIC AND SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO HELP YOU PROTECT THE PROBLEM.
THEN WHAT WE'LL DO, WE'LL HOLD IT OFF A LITTLE WHILE IT HAS HAPPENED.
AND IT CAN, I SEE WHAT MR STEEL IS SAYING.
IF THE DEVELOPER HAD INFORMED COMMUNITY, IN MANY OF THOSE INSTANCES, YOU WOULD NOT.
THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY KNOWN WHAT TO DO IS I COME UP HERE.
THEY SAY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETHING GOING ON AND ALL SEE BACK HOLE TRACKERS AND ALL THESE THINGS MOVING AROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY, IF THE DEVELOPER KNEW THAT HE WAS GOING TO DEVELOP SOMETHING, WE DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT THEN TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME ASK US IS GOING TO BE A MASSAGE PARLOR BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
AND THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT A THREAT TO THEM.
IN MANY INSTANCES, THEY COME UP HERE AND THEY BE COMPLAINING THAT'S BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE A THREAT TO THEIR WAY OF LIFE.
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IF YOU HAVE INFORMED, THIS IS WHAT THIS JUST SAYS TO NOTIFY IT, DOESN'T SAYS TO GET THE APPROVAL.AND IF WE, THOSE OF US WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE, BUT MADE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER'S RIGHTS ARE NOT VIOLATED EITHER, BUT THIS JUST, I THINK, WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF THAT CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING READY TO BUILD A DEVELOPMENT AND GOING TO BE 20 HOUSES, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE THIS SIZE.
THAT BLENDS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT IF SOMEBODY IS JUST TEARING DOWN TREES AND NAILING HAMMERS OR WHATEVER YOU HAD TO DO, THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING READY TO DO.
I COULD HAVE AN OPTION ON A PIECE OF LAND THAT USE THEM, AND THAT OFTEN CAN BE EXPIRED IN ATTENDANCE.
AND I CAME HERE FOR DINNER AND I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY RUN UP BECAUSE I HAD A PLAN.
THEN THEY DECIDED TO TAKE,
CITIZENS WILL READ THE NEWSPAPER, THEY'LL SEE THE PLANNING ROAD COMING UP AGAIN.
I'LL HAVE AN INTEREST IN UBER RIGHT NOW, BUT I SAW THIS AND I SAID, YEAH, I HATE TO BE AGAINST THAT OR TAKE THE POSITION OR GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE NOTHING CAN BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND
THEN, IF ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE THESE CONCERNS AND THEY DO, AND THEY COME IN HERE, WHETHER THIS THING IS WRITTEN OR NOT, I'VE SEEN IT PACK MANY TIMES RECENTLY, LET ME, LET ME BE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND SAY THIS, WHY SHOULD THE BURDEN BE ON US? THEY HAVE TO SIT UP HERE AND TALK TO THEM AND EXPLAINED TO THEM WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS DOING.
AND WE AIN'T GOT A CLUE EITHER.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE WAY TO DO THIS KIND OF THING IS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BOARD YET GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD COME UP AND RAISE THE DECADES IF THEY DID, IF THEIR POINT WASN'T VALID.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY JUST CAME AND SAID, IT'S GONE.
MATTER OF FACT, WE DID ONE NOT LONG AGO, BUT PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT'S GOING TO RUIN MY PROPERTY VALUE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE SAID FIVE, HOW'S IT GOING TO RUIN IT? WELL, WE JUST THINKING RUIN IT.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE RUN BY A MOB RULES.
I CAN TELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
JUST LIKE YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, BUT AGAIN, OH, ALL HE WAS TRYING TO DO IN MY OPINION IS WE SEE PEOPLE COME OUT HERE TO THE VERY CONFUSED AND UNSATISFIED AND DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND SCARED.
AND A LOT OF CASES, ARE THEY GOING TO LOSE WHATEVER THEY GOT? AND ALL WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.
IF THE DEVELOPER OR OUR PLAN PEOPLE OR WHATEVER, WE WANT TO BEAT THE PEOPLE UP FRONT AND EXPLAIN TO YOU, WHAT'S GOING ON 90% OF THOSE FEARS DISAPPEAR.
AND THEN THE KEY POINT IS WHAT YOU SAID, MY OPINION WHILE AGO ABOUT GOOD DEVELOPERS AND BAD DEVELOPERS IS REPUTATIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN ALL LINES OF WORK.
AND THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT IN GENERAL, THEY'LL SAY, WELL, IF SO-AND-SO IS DEVELOPING IN A WATER, I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.
WE HEARD THEM COME ON UP HERE AND SAY THAT.
AND ALSO BETTER ON SOME DAYS WHEN WE ARE OTHERS DEPENDS ON OTHER THINGS.
AND I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BOARD WITH POLITICAL PATTERN AS I MIGHT DO, BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT SINCE YOU'VE BEEN MARRIED, HOW MANY AMENDMENTS TO THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN OFF SINCE I'VE BEEN MAYOR? WELL, I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW MANY I PUT ON
AND YOU GUYS GO HOME AFTER DOING YOUR SERVICE TO THE NEXT JOB.
THE NEXT GROUP MIGHT HANG THEIR HAT ON THIS.
AND WE MIGHT HAVE SOME STUDENTS, I WOULD SAY SHE CARES ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
UH, BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T ADD COSTS TO THE NEXT GUY'S HOUSE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM THAT WE DON'T PUT A FURTHER BURDEN ON THE BACK.
PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY DOING THE BEST AT THE GAME.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE HEARD IT.
I CAN SEND THEM A REGISTERED LETTER WITH EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 OF MY PRELIMINARY SKETCH PLAN.
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THEIR STREET, THE COVENANTS, THE SIZE HOUSES AND THE SIDEWALKS.WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE, BUT YOU SAY IF IT, BUT IF IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY, ANY, ANY RATIONAL SENSE ABOUT IT, EXCEPT THEY JUST DON'T LIKE IT, THEN THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD REACT TO.
BUT MY POINT IS THIS, ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN THEY COME HERE IN A LOT OF CASES AND THEN THEY DO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER, WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN AND SO FORTH AND EVERYBODY'S KIND OF HAPPY.
AND THEN THEY GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT IT.
LIKE THEY'VE DONE IN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS.
AND THEN LATER COME BACK AND SO REMIND EVERYTHING OUT THERE.
ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THERE IS A PROBLEM IN COMMUNICATION.
IF WE DON'T NEED THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CONTEND AND WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION, WHICH I WOULD BE IS AS ONE BOAT OUT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU SAYING THAT EVERYONE WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY LINE, SHE'D GET A REGISTERED LETTER FROM THE DEVELOPER STATING THAT HE IS PLANNING WITH 40 LOT OF SUBDIVISION OR $50 OR $60 70.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, HE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS THEY COME IN.
AND SOON AS HE GETS THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETURN THE PHONE CALLS, BUT I CAN'T STOP THE REST OF THE WORLD AND SUPPORTING THE WIFE FROM THE THREE CHILDREN, JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY GOT A LETTER TODAY THAT I'VE GOT TO SET A VISION.
EVERYBODY THINKS THAT IF YOU SIT IN UP HERE, YOU MUST BE LYING OR THIS OR THAT OR WHATEVER.
WELL, IF THE GUY'S BULLDOZING THINGS, HE'S TEARING OUT THE WORLD, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO OUR JOB, YOUR JOB, ALL OF OUR JOBS IS COMMUNICATE WITH EVERYBODY.
AND TO TELL THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, THAT IT'S JUST INVITING EVERYBODY UP TO, TO MAKE NOISE FOR THE SAKE OF NOISE.
BUT MY CONTENTION IS LET'S PUT ALL THAT THE WAY ON THE FRONT END AND WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU GOT ABOUT A SUGGESTION, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR THE ORDINANCE FOR AWHILE, THEY BE NOTIFIED BY LETTER OF THE PLANTS BEFORE GRABBING CERTAIN ACTIVITY BEGINS AND SEE IT.
DEVELOPERS TAKE THAT CHEAP AND GO FORWARD.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY ALL COME FROM REGULATION, THE GUY WHO SAID THE JET CAR THERE FOR A MONTH, SURELY WE DESERVE A CHANCE.
SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A SON THEN THAT IF, IF THINGS ARE EASILY READY TO PAY FOR AND PICKED UP THAT ALL THE OTHER REALTORS OR WHATEVER WOULD HAVE READ, THIS MUST BE SATISFIED WITH IT OR ELSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO COME OR WORSE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN MAKE ABOUT A STUPID SHOW UP HERE, TELL US CLOSE TO THEIR HOUSE.
THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCERN.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE NOT SENSITIVE TO JUST WHERE SOMETHING'S GO AND WHAT'S TAKING PLACE.
UH, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE AUTO HERE THAT I'M NOT, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT STRIKE ME, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND UNFAIR AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO SERVE ANY POSITIVE PURPOSE AND MAY ADD COST ITEMS. THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT HEADSPACE, BUT, UH, THEY'RE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
IF IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY AFFECT ME TODAY, THEN, THEN THEY'RE OFTEN NOT HERE.
I'VE BEEN A PART OF THESE MEETINGS.
IT'S AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, THE GUY THAT LIVES IN THAT HOUSE WAS GOING TO BE OUT OF HERE.
HE SAID, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE ABOUT.
AND YOU'RE SAYING, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HERE ABOUT.
NO, NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT GUY.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, THE GUY THAT LIVES IN THIS, THE HOUSES THAT WOULD BE NEAR YOUR DEVELOPMENT, AS THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, THEY'D SAY, RIGHT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
WE'RE HERE ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THEN YOU'RE SAYING THERE ABOUT MY PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
WHY WOULD THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS AND BORDERS, THEN WHAT HAPPENS ON MY PROBLEM IS MY PROPERTY ROCKS.
NOW, WHEN I PREACH THAT PUBLIC TRUST, THEN IT BECOMES
CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS AIR? BUT WE'RE BETTER OFF.
IF EVERYBODY WOULDN'T WATCH THEM, THE CITY PASSED A LAW THAT WOULD MEET HIM.
WE THOUGHT BUT I WOULD SAY LET'S TRY SOMETHING IN THE RECOMMENDED VENDOR LIST.
DON'T LEAVE THE PUBLIC TO BELIEVE THAT, UH, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE INPUT LET'S, DON'T LEAVE FUTURE BOARDS, OPEN TO POLITICAL PATTERN, WHICH MAY INDEED, UH
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UH, AND IT COULD HAPPEN.UH LET'S LET'S, LET'S TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT FIRST.
AND THEN IF WE CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY AND THE OTHER, UH, REGULATION IS REQUIRED.
SO BE IT, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE A LOT TO DO, BUT, UH, AS I, AS I ACTUALLY, ONCE IT GETS ON THE BUS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ALWAYS BE HERE AND REMEMBER HOW MANY YOU'VE TAKEN OFF.
AND I THINK, SEE MAYBE ANYBODY ELSE FORWARD AGAINST IT OVER HERE, WE CLOSE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PRIVATE GARY AND SAY, I PROBABLY WAS MOVING.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
WHAT IS SPEAKING OUT LOUD? WHAT BLOOD SAYS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, WHAT YOU SAY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT BUD SAYING ABOUT PROTECTING YOUR PERSONAL PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT UH, NOT EVERYBODY THAT DEVELOPS PROPERTY THAT I'VE SEEN COME UP HERE IS WORRIED ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
ALL THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS GETTING THEIR DOLLAR BACK OUT OF IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT PUTS US ON THE DEFENSIVE UP HERE.
IF PEOPLE ARE UP FRONT, I HAD A, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX BEING BUILT OUT IN MY WARD.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC PUBLIC, CAME IN, ASKED A QUESTION TO THE DEVELOPERS, NEVER ANOTHER WORD SAID ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS, IS TO MAKE SURE UPFRONT THAT PEOPLE HAVE A, HAVE A WAY OF KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY HAVEN'T ANSWERED QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
AND I'M SURE, BUT IT'S STILL, IT WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT I'M TELLING YOU WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME ABOUT IT IS YOU'RE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE ONE OF A FEW, I JUST, WHEN, WHEN A DEVELOPMENT'S FINISHED AND THERE'S 50 LOTS OF, SO THEY GET IN THEIR CAR AND THEY DRIVE OFF THAT VILLA WAS GOING TO STAY THERE FOR A LONG TIME AT DEVELOPERS GONE.
HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT IT ANYMORE.
SO WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING ON BOTH ENDS, EVERYBODY THAT GOES INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COSTS.
IT'S REALLY A HARD THING TO SIT UP HERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST HOPING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO OPEN UP ANOTHER AVENUE WHERE DEVELOPMENT CAN BE DELAYED SIMPLY BECAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS DOING.
NOT SO MUCH AS IT MAY DAMAGE SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, BUT THEY JUST DON'T LIKE THE TYPE HOUSES YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN.
THEY DON'T LIKE THE SIZE LOTS, YOU KNOW? AND, AND, AND, AND IDEAS.
YOU'RE A BIT, YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE PUT THERE FIRST.
BUT IF THIS IS GOING TO ALLOW THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND PETITION THIS BOARD TO DO, TO DELAY DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T LIKE, BUT WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS DOING, ANSWERS, ALL QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, ONCE IT DOES EVERYTHING THAT IS LAID OUT BEFORE THEM, EVERYTHING IS FINE AND PERFECT.
BUT WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT PERIOD, NO MATTER HOW MANY OTHER THINGS THIS GUY HAS GOT TO DO, IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE COME HERE AND PETITIONER TO DELAY THIS GENTLEMAN FROM GOING A BIT SO THAT WE CAN GO IN AND DISCUSS, DISCUSS, AND DISCUSS, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I SAID, AND IN THE PAST, THIS BOARD AND MYSELF HAD BEEN VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE PUBLIC, BUT AT SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE SYMPATHETIC, IT BITES US IN THE BOOK.
AS LONG AS THEY ARE REALISTIC, I DON'T HAVE ANY THAT THE TRIVIA OR JUST THE RUN OF THE MILL COMPLAINTS.
I DON'T LIKE, IT WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT CONCERNS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE JUST KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
HAS ALWAYS BEEN SENSITIVE TO THE PUBLIC.
AND I HOPE IT WILL BE IN THAT WAY.
I BELIEVE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE ARE FAIR AND WE WON'T VIOLATE THE RIGHTS SUBMITTED BY WHETHER THEY BE THE DEVELOPERS, ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE KNOW THAT IF YOU COME UP AND SAY, I LIKE THE COLOR OF THAT HOUSE, AND WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T CUT A PAINTED ORANGE, THEN WE WON'T SAY IT.
LET'S SAY YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GOVERN THAT THAT'S, THAT MAN'S RIGHT.
THE THING IS, I BELIEVE THAT ALL
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THIS SAYS IS THAT THE COMMUNITY IS NOTIFIED.AND IN MANY OF THE INSTANCES WHERE THEY'VE COME BEFORE, THAT'S BECAUSE YOUR COMMUNITY, I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO INCITE THEM TO GO OUT AND SAY, THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE ANY, RIGHT.
FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T BELIEVE IN VIOLATE ANYBODY'S RIGHT.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE THE COMMUNITY.
AND YOU NEED TO ADD A WORD IN HERE, SOMETHING IN HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, LESS THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT THIS IS ONLY A NOTIFICATION THAT THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS ARE GOING ON.
YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL FOLLOW THE LAW.
THERE'S NO, YOU, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO CHANGE IT.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS IT VIOLATES, VIOLATES, THE BUILDING CODES IS THE ONLY, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT THE BLOOD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND EVERYBODY WILL MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS.
AND ALSO SENSITIVITY IS FOR THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.
THIS IS JUST A MATTER OF LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I PERSONALLY, I SEE IT AS AN ADVANTAGE TO THE DEVELOPER.
IF HE'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT ENHANCES THE COMMUNITY, HE DOESN'T GO OUT AND TELL HIM I'M GOING TO DO THIS.
AND THEY CAN ASK YOU THE QUESTIONS.
MOST OF THE TIME THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, BUT YOU KNOW, HE HAS DONE WHAT HE HAS.
MR. WARD, UH, THIS ORDINANCE, DAN DOES NOT CHANGE ANY OF OUR ABILITIES OR AUTHORITY OR ANY OF THAT AS THEY BOTH CORRECT.
THE ONLY THING IN AGGRESSIVE IS NOTICED PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
NOW, WHAT I WAS GOING TO JEST IS WE'RE REQUIRED BY LAW TO FIND THE PUBLIC RIGHT.
AND MANY ESTIMATES THAT NO REQUIREMENT, THE ENTIRE CALL.
AND THIS IS DESIGNED TO REPLACE THAT BOY.
WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY YES, IF THERE'S ROOM TO AIR, NORMALLY SPEAKING, AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED, THE GOVERNMENT IS CONCERNED.
IF WE WERE GOING TO AIR, IT WOULD BAIL ON THE SIDE, OR YOU PROBABLY SHOULD SAY WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF OVER NOTIFICATION.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, NOBODY'S GOING TO COMPLAIN THAT YOU TOLD TOO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TELLING TOO FEW PEOPLE.
SO REALLY NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF BY CHANCE A HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOWED UP, WE'D HAVE TO FACE A HUNDRED PEOPLE UNDER THIS ORDINANCE.
IF BY CHANCE A HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOWS UP, IT'S STILL OUT OF PHASE HONOR.
PEOPLE'S THE QUESTIONS I STILL GOING TO BE MORE OR LESS THE SAME.
IT MAY BE MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE MORE ARE NOTIFIED.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT, I JUST, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE SAID, BUT I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BETTER NOTIFY MORE PEOPLE THAN, AND IF WE DON'T MAKE A MISTAKE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER QUESTION, WHY DO WE HAVE TO ROLL CALL? I'LL GET THIS, RIGHT? YES, YES.
MAY I SUGGEST YOU MAKE ONE CHANGE? AND THE ORDINANCE SWITCHES IN THE AGENDA REFERRED TO PUBLIC, HEARING NOTHING BY THE BOARD OF ALL OF THEM ON JULY 22ND.
THIS IS IN THE THIRD WHERE END COULD BE DEVICE.
OKAY, NEXT LINE WE HAVE, IS IT GETTING WARM IN HERE? DANG.
DID THAT, DID THAT? OH, PROBABLY HEARING A CONSIDERED A 1997 CDBG URGENT NEEDS APPLICATION.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY PUBLIC HEARING EVER REQUIRED TO HAVE THE STATEWIDE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, PURPOSE OF IT IS TO PRESENT THE PROPOSAL THAT I HAVE PREPARED HERE AND SUBMITTED FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AN APPLICATION REQUEST IN $600,000 IN YOU USE AN AREA AROUND
UM, THE CITY HAS ACCESS TO THESE RESPONSE BECAUSE OF LAST YEAR'S HURRICANES MAY HAVE STAYED IN THERE, PROVIDE HOUSING ASSISTANCE.
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A SECOND OPTION IS TO, THIS IS ONE OF TWO APPLICATIONS THAT MS. MOLA LINKED TO THAT IS FOR AN ACQUISITION.AND IT'S A COMBINATION OF CDBG FARMS ALONG THE FEMA DOLLARS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ALLOW US TO GO IN THERE AND ACQUIRE, UM, ALL THIS REALLY STARTED LAST YEAR ON THE HANDS.
WE USED THE APPLICATION BACK IN DECEMBER AND MAY, THAT ARE AT FIVE MINUTES.
AND THEN FOLLOWING THE STATE'S ANNOUNCEMENT OF ISSUANCE OF THE APPLICATION IN JUNE, WE SPENT PAST SURVEYS.
AND WHAT HE HAD ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE TARGET AREA IS LEFT WITH THE DISTRICT.
DID WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC AND WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS CDD GRANT AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, PUBLIC HAVING TO INPUT ANYTHING WANT TO SAY? AND COULD YOU, COULD YOU GIVE HIM THAT AREA AGAIN? CAUSE I THINK SO MUCH UH, I MEAN YOU HAVE SOME, YOU WOULD SUBMIT THIS AFTER WE BOUGHT CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, MITIGATION OR THIS PARTICULAR AREA AND THE CDBG APPLICATION.
SO I SAID, THIS IS NOT AN ONLY APPLICATION APPARENTLY.
UM, HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT RAISING THE HOUSE? I MEAN, SURELY JACKET IS LIKELY TO BE WITHOUT OPERATIONS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN LIKE OLDEST ELEVATOR, UM, FOLLOW THE PAPERS, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES.
WE'VE GOT OUR INITIAL LAST NASCENT, SAME PROCESS OF GETTING IT OFF GOVERNMENT AT WORK.
THE PURPOSE OF THEM HASN'T BEEN IN PHOTOGRAPH IS WE'VE GOT A MISTAKE.
IT'S BETTER OFF TO GO TO THE RACE, THESE PROPERTIES, TO GET THEM OUT OF THE POTENTIAL DANGER.
SO THAT THE FUTURE OF OUR COSTS FROM THIS ONE DOES OCCUR ON THE PROJECT.
WHEN GREG CAME AND TALKED TO ME ABOUT THAT, I GOT, THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND WHEN THE STORM CAME, I THINK IF YOU GO BACK EAST ROAD SPEED, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A HOUSE THERE WHERE THE TREES FELL INTO IT TRACK.
AND THEN THE AREA HAD TO GO AROUND THE CURVE WHERE WE GET RETAINED, FOND OR WHATEVER.
YOU'RE CALLING THAT WHOLE, WE'LL BE GETTING OVER THERE.
YOU KNOW, THOSE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWN IN THEIR OFF TIME OF SWAMP, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THERE WHENEVER THERE'S A STORM.
ANYWAY, IF THAT AREA COULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, IT REAL AREA BACK THERE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT CONDUCIVE.
IT IS WHERE THE, THOSE AREAS, THESE HOUSES ARE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE.
HER HOME WAS HOMELESS PLOTTED ON HERE.
CORRECT? ANYBODY WON'T MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? I THINK THE BOARD'S IN FAVOR.
WAIT, HOW DO THEY KNOW IF THEY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? MS. LANDEN DID Y'ALL WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? HE'S EXPLAINED IT TO HER ALL IN FAVOR.
ALL OPPOSED MOVING TO THE APPLICATION.
WE HAVE OUR HAZARD MITIGATION ALSO PREPARED.
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ALL IN FAVOR.WE NEED TO GROW ALL THE WHOLE ON LAND.
UM, MADIGAN AND ALL THE WOMEN.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF GETTING THE APPROVAL OF THIS GRANT? ARE WE ARE DOING WHAT THE STATE SAYS THERE WILL BE COMPETITION BONDS, BUT, UM, I SAID WE DID ONE YEARS COMMUNITIES AREN'T DOING AND TRYING TO ACQUIRE PEOPLE OUT OF FLOODS.
UH, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY MONEY? UM, NONE AT THIS TIME THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT WITH THIS APPLICATION AND THE STATE HAVE SAID THAT THEY WILL BE OPEN TO MOVE THE PROGRAM FREQUENTLY.
THEY UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING TO BE A
IF THEY HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE, YOU CAN BASICALLY SUBMIT A MINUTE AND ASK THEM THE ADDITIONAL $250,000 MAY HAVE.
MAX LANE IS TO CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF THE TAXI CAB FRANCHISE ORNAMENTS, WHO DOES THAT? THAT'S BAD MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE.
AND YOU'LL RECALL THAT ABOUT HIM.
THERE WERE QUESTIONED AS TO WHETHER THEY HAD ACTIVATED ALL OF THE VEHICLES, WHICH THEY WERE ENTITLED TO AS RESULT OF THE EARLIER ORDERS.
UH, THE MATERIAL PROVIDED TO ME AND TO YOU REFLECTED THAT MAJOR RIDE DEALERS HAD GIVEN THEM A DEAL.
THERE WAS TWO PEOPLE MARRIED DOWN, I BELIEVE.
AND UNDER HIS ATTORNEY UNTIL JUNE 30TH, ACTIVATE FOR THEM.
I TRIED TO FIND OUT JUST EXACTLY WHAT THE SITUATION WAS.
I WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND ANYBODY WHO WAS NOT ON VACATION TELLING ME.
SO INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING THAT, PARTICULARLY I INCLUDED A PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH SAYING CODE, WHICH SAYS THAT IF YOU DO NOT UTILIZE THE CABS, WHICH YOU AUTHORIZED BY A FRANCHISE, OR DO NOT ACTIVATE YOUR CAMS FRANCHISE WITH BOYD, AND THAT WAS DONE TO CALL PEOPLE ATTENTION TO THE PROBLEM SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT, THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.
LET ME ASK YOURSELF THAT THING IN THE SECOND NUMBER CODE, WHICH AUTHORIZED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GIVE THOSE PEOPLE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY DO SOMETHING BY JUNE 30 DESK IS FOR THE RIGHT TO GO AHEAD.
WHAT'D YOU MEAN YOU STILL GOT TIME? THEY'RE NOT MELD ON BOARD YET.
COULD BE APPEAR, DECIDED FOR HIM TO BE UNDER THE SHORT.
UH, THE LAST TIME MS. DOWNS WAS HERE, DID SHE HAVE THREE VEHICLES THAT SHE HAD THE FRANCHISE FOR? AND THERE'S ONE.
SO SHE'S GOT TWO VEHICLES, BUT ONE OF THEM IS BEING USED WHERE HE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE FRANCHISE.
OH, THIS IS NOT AVAILABLE YET.
WE NEED A MOTION THAT FIRST READING MR. WARD, WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING, BUT THE FIRST REASON TO GO ON, NO NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT.
IT'D BE APPROVED ON FIRST RATING.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE ADOPTED FOR MEETING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION CALL ROLL ON THAT ONE, I THINK.
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YES, YES, YES, YES.NEXT THING IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I'M LIKE, I'M GOING TO, WE'VE APPROVED.
YOU COULD SEND AGENDA MONITOR ITEM NUMBER TEN SECOND.
THE LAST CALL, THE ROLL PLEASE.
UM, MIRO AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE REASON JUDAS AND I REQUESTED ITEM NUMBER 10, BE REMOVED IS THAT, UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO A VOTE ON THIS ISSUE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, RESOLVING TO A BAR SEVEN, $7,750,000 FOR SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
AND FIRST, UM, NONE OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN ITEMIZED INDIVIDUALLY.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MONIES WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ON EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.
SECONDLY, WE HAD RESOLVED THOUGH, AWHILE BACK THAT WE WERE GOING TO INCLUDE THE SWIMMING POOL AS PART OF FUTURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
THIS IS A RECREATIONAL AMENITY THAT WE DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE TO OUR CITIZENS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T IN GOOD FAITH, YOU KNOW, VOTE ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN LEAVE THE, THE SWIMMING POOL OUT OF THIS.
BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T THE SWIMMING POOL PLANS BEFORE WE DECIDED MOST OF THESE PROJECTS, BUT YET NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
THERE HAS BEEN NO, UM, FIGURES BROUGHT BEFORE THE BIRD ON HOW MUCH THE SWIMMING POOL IS GOING TO COST.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANY GOOD, HAVE ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS DOWNTOWN, UNLESS WE HAVE SOME RECREATION, SUMMER RECREATION FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, BECAUSE OF IT.
IF WE DON'T KEEP THESE YOUNG PEOPLE BUSY, THEN WHEN THESE PEOPLE GO TO THIS NEW DOWNTOWN PARKING LOT, THEY'RE GOING TO GET ROBBED.
I MEAN, WE GOTTA KEEP, WE GOTTA HAVE RECREATION FOR YOUNG FOLKS BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, YOU'RE ASKING FOR TROUBLE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY, THAT DISTRICT COURT IS FULL OF YOUNG PEOPLE FROM NEWBURGH WITH NOTHING TO DO THAT ARE ENGAGED IN DELINQUENT BEHAVIOR.
SO I CAN'T SIT HERE, UH, ON THIS BOARD WHEN THE MAJORITY OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.
THEY, UM, THEY ARE ASKING AND BEGGING FOR A SWIMMING POOL AND NOTHING, NOTHING IN THIS RESOLUTION SPEAKS ON A SWIMMING POOL.
SO I, I JUST DON'T THINK I JUST CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING I, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE AND I THINK ALL MARINA PROBABLY WAS REQUESTING THAT SOMETHING BE CONTINUOUSLY DONE TOWARDS MOVEMENT TOWARDS THE POOL.
AND HOPEFULLY I'M CORRECT BILL WITH DIRECTIVE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO SOMETHING AND PRESENT SOMETHING BACK TO THIS BOARD.
IF IT WAS PLANS AS WHO YOU'VE CONTACTED IN TERMS OF GETTING COST, DO CERTAIN SIZE POOLS OR SOMETHING, BUT WE HAVE NOT YET SEEN ANYTHING IN RESPONSE TO THAT.
UH, AND THEN, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOMETIMES WE, WE, WE REACH OUT AND TRY TO DO THINGS AND WE ENDED REDIRECT PEOPLE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, NOT DEMAND, BUT JUST THAT WRECK BECAUSE YOU'RE THINKING YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
AND FOR SOME REASON, IS HE THE PUT ON THE BACK BURNER DELAYED OR EITHER PUT TO THE SIDE OR A SLOW GETTING TO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S INTENTIONAL OR IF THERE'S A REASON FOR IT, BUT IF WHENEVER THERE'S A DELAY OR SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD HAS REQUESTED, WE NEED AN ANSWER TO WHY IT'S BEEN DELAYED.
MAY I RESPOND TO THEM? YES, SIR.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW, I CERTAINLY WILL BE FREE TO TALK TO YOU AT ANY TIME, RATHER THAN TO HAVE THIS BROUGHT UP LIKE THIS AT THIS MEETING.
SECONDLY, BUT
SECONDLY, THERE WAS GOING TO BE A REPORT MADE TO YOU TONIGHT UNDER MISCELLANEOUS.
THERE WAS A MEETING TODAY WITH ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS ABOUT THE POODLE.
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OUT AND EXAMINED THE SITE TODAY THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE USED.THEY'RE SCHEDULED FOR YOUR WORK SESSION.
THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP, NOT THIS, THIS ONE, BUT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GIVING US A PROPOSAL FOR THAT INFORMATION.
UH, BUT THE WAY THAT THIS FINANCING GOES, AND I BELIEVE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE IS A PORTION OF THE LAND THAT WE'RE BUYING FOR THAT, UH, PROJECT IN THIS FINANCING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR, BUT THAT WE ARE REIMBURSING OURSELVES.
AND THAT IF WE DO NOT GET THIS ADOPTED AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, WE STAND THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING THE MONEY BECAUSE IT WON'T BE REIMBURSABLE AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
AND IN ORDER TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE UNDER THE TAX LAWS, UNDER THE FEDERAL TAX LAWS, YOU HAVE TO DO THEM IN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
AND YOU HAVE TO SPEND CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE MONEY AT CERTAIN PARTICULAR TIMES IN ORDER TO GET THE TAX BENEFITS THAT, UH, PEOPLE WOULD INVEST TO GIVE YOU THE LOW INTEREST RATES FOR THESE LEASES.
AND SO THERE IS NO ATTEMPT AT SUBTERFUGE.
THESE PROJECTS HAVE ALL BEEN DISCUSSED BY THIS BOARD MANY TIMES, THIS IS THE UNION POINT PROJECT, AND THIS IS THE POLICE STATION.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE LAND FOR THE POOL, UH, IS INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR THING.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT OTHER LET'S SEE.
IT DOES NOT MAKE REFERENCE TO THE POOL BECAUSE WE ARE NOT AT THE SAME STAGE FOR THE POOL THAT WE ALL WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS, WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO START SPENDING MONEY ON THE POOL.
THESE OTHER PROJECTS ARE IN FINAL STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ARE GETTING READY TO GO THERE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE EVEN OUT FOR BID YET, BUT THEY'RE AT THE STAGE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING OUT FOR BID.
WE'RE GOING TO BE STARTING TO SPEND MONEY ON THESE PROJECTS.
SO NOW IS THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO GET THE MONEY IN ORDER TO REIMBURSE WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PAY CONTRACTORS IN THE FUTURE.
IF THIS IS DELAYED, THEN THIS IS GOING TO DELAY OUR PROJECTS.
THAT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
WE'VE NEVER HAD DISCUSSED PUTTING THE POOL IN TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, INSTALLMENT PURCHASE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT AT THE STAGE YET WHERE WE NEED TO START PUTTING THAT MONEY.
SO THAT, BUT, UH, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO HOLD IT UP OR IF YOU WANT TO DO WHATEVER, SO IF WE HOLD IT UP FOR TWO WEEKS TO JUST, UH, UH, LET ME JUST SAY THIS AGAIN.
UH, I DO NOT APPRECIATE THE VEILED ACCUSATION OR WHATEVER THAT IT WAS THAT FOR SOME REASON I'M HOLDING THIS PROJECT UP OR THAT SOMEONE IS INFLUENCING ME TO HOLD THIS PROJECT.
I DIDN'T SAY YOU WAS HOLDING THE PROJECT.
THERE SEEM TO BE THAT SOMETIMES THINGS ARE NOT TIMELY.
BILL
I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY YOU HOLD THE PROJECT UP COMPENSATION CUT.
WE NEED TO STICK WITH THE $7 MILLION SERIOUSLY, FOR YEARS WITHOUT BLOWING UP.
TH TH THERE WAS AN, I I'M CERTAIN THAT JEWS WAS NOT TRYING TO ACCUSE YOU OF ANYTHING IMPROPER.
AND, UM, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IS THIS, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 7.7, $5 MILLION, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF MONEY, WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THE DOWNTOWN PARKING GO IN FIRE STATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I THINK, I THINK THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO YOU AND WAS IN THERE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN MY PACKAGE SERIOUSLY.
IT'S JUST THE RESOLUTION ITSELF.
IN REGARDS TO THAT, I THINK THAT WHAT WAS DONE HERE IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS NOT AN ISLAND.
WE STILL ARE IN FAVOR OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN CURSED UP TO THIS POINT, RIGHT? I SEE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT YEAH,
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TO BE CONDUCTED JULY 22ND MEETING.WELL, AS A BOY, CAN WE CHANGE THE WAY SOMEONE THIS MONEY IS BEING SPENT? BUT SEE, I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION, EXCUSE ME, CAN WE KNOW WE HAVE THE POWER YOU CAN SHIFT BETWEEN THESE PROJECTS, BUT YOU COULD NOT.
YOU COULDN'T FUND A POOL OUT OF THIS PROJECT, OUT OF THIS MONEY.
THAT'S HERE RIGHT NOW, UNLESS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURES AND HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND EVERYTHING AGAIN, IN ORDER TO DO IT, YOU CAN SHIFT THEM BETWEEN SAY, IF THERE WAS TOO MUCH ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAD SOME MONEY LEFT OVER AND WE COULD PUT SOME ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE LISTED PROJECTS.
WE COULD UTILIZE IT, BUT YOU CANNOT INTERJECT AN ENTIRELY NEW PROJECT AND USE THAT MONEY FOR IT.
UNLESS YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCEDURES, THAT'S NECESSARY TO DO IT.
AND YOU'RE NOT AT THE STAGE AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO BUDGET MONEY FOR THAT POOL.
I MEAN, WE HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET.
THE BOARD HAS APPROPRIATED THE DOLLARS FOR THAT POOL.
THEY PUT IN A MILLION $500,000 TO PULL THE POOL IT'S IN THE BUDGET.
THE ONLY THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED IS WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.
AND THAT IS GOING TO PROBABLY COME THROUGH INSTALLMENT OR THROUGH BOND OR WHATEVER THAT THIS BOARD DETERMINES THAT THEY NEED TO DO.
BUT UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO START SPENDING THAT MONEY BECAUSE OF THE TAX LAWS AND BECAUSE CERTAIN PERCENTAGES OF THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT WITHIN CERTAIN SPECIFIED PERIODS OF TIME AFTER THE MONEY IS RECEIVED, WE WOULD PUT OURSELVES AT A GREAT DISADVANTAGE TO GET THE MONEY NOW, AND THEN START BUILDING THE POOL 10 MONTHS FROM NOW.
SO, I MEAN, IT JUST, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT ANYBODY IS DELAYING ANYTHING.
IT IS JUST NOT TIME AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO DO IT.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THIS BOARD, BUT THE MONEY IS APPROPRIATED TO DO IT.
YOU'VE HAVE APPROVED THE EXPENDITURE.
WHY DON'T YOU SIGN IS WE'VE HAD BALLS WITH THE POLICE AND THE FIRE STATION DRAWING EVERYTHING.
AND WE'VE SEEN NOTHING OF THAT EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE YET.
YOU'VE APPROVED THE FINAL, YOU'VE APPROVED THE FINAL PLANS FOR THEM TO GO AHEAD AND PREPARE THEM.
AND FOR US TO GET OUT FOR BIDS, YOU'VE DONE BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
NOT QUITE TO THAT DEGREE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE PERU IS WE'RE JUST MEETING WITH THE ENGINEERS TODAY.
THESE ARE JUST PROSPECTIVE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS, CAUSE YOU'VE NOT MADE A SELECTION OF THE ARCHITECTS FOR THIS PROJECT YET.
AND, UH, WE'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE STUFF THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE US A PRELIMINARY SKETCHES AND SCHEMATICS.
THEY'RE GOING TO MEET WITH THE BOARD ABOUT IT AT THEIR, THE WORK SESSION, FOLLOWING THIS WORK SESSION.
AND THEY WILL PRESENT TO YOU A FORMAL PRESENTATION AT THAT TIME.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO START MAKING SOME REAL DECISIONS.
CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO START GETTING INTO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING SOME REAL MONEY THERE.
AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE MIGHT WANT TO START SOME PROCEDURES FOR BALLING MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THE POOL.
BUT WE DO NOT NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT POOL IN THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR THAT.
AND IT COULD JEOPARDIZE THE, UH, TAX BENEFITS THAT SOMEONE WOULD GET FOR INVESTING IN THAT KIND OF THING.
AND FOR ALL THE DISCUSSION, ALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
UM, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
NEXT THING IS YOU HAVE ANY, NORMALLY I'VE GOT SOME, BUT I'M NOT WHEN MICHAEL AND TONIGHT, BECAUSE I FORGOT TO NOTIFY THE VICTIM.
I MEAN, THE PERSON I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TELL IT, THE PAPERS SEEM TO GET IT MADE LIKE THIS BEFORE, WHEN I APPOINTED MY BROTHER TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, WHILE HIS TIME IS UP, I'M ON APART, MY SON-IN-LAW, BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW IT YET.
SO IF HE WANTS TO STICK THAT IN AND PAY FOR IT, SHOCK HIM IN THE MORNING, I SAYS, WELL, I'M GOING TO LET HIM KNOW TOMORROW, I GUESS, OR MAYBE TONIGHT WHEN I GET HOME.
DO YOU WANT TO, ROBERT CARR IS HIS NAME C A R R.
I LIKED FOR EVERYBODY TO GET INVOLVED IN GOVERNMENT.
GO AHEAD AND PUT HIM DOWN THERE.
I'M TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN GATHERING ADDITIONAL.
IF THERE'S ANY OPENINGS LEFT RUN FOR MAYOR
GREG BOLSTER GENTLEMAN'S NAME TRIP, YOUR APPOINTED TO THE HISTORIC
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PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, RIGHT? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE HIM SECOND.ALL OPPOSED WAS NO, THIS WILL BE EFFECTIVE.
NEXT IS MISCELLANEOUS MISCELLANEOUS.
WE HAVE ONE RESOLUTION NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD, WHICH WOULD IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WILL WE BE DISCUSSING THAT? UM, UH, POLICE REPORT? WE HAVEN'T YET TALKED ABOUT IT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STUDY THAT CAME AND WE SAID WE HAVE A WORK SESSION OURSELVES.
AND WHAT OUR ATTENTION WAS, FRIEND POLICE OFFICERS.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
WE BOUGHT THE WHOLE COMMAND STAFF.
WE CAN BRING THEM IN THE NEXT, THE NEXT BOOK.
YOU WANT THEM TO SCHEDULE IT? YES.
I'D LIKE TO DEAL WITH IT WAS STILL HOT AND YOU JUST GET IT FOR WORK SESSION.
YOU HAVE ANY MISCELLANEOUS? I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR DANNY, BUT I THINK WE CAN WAIT TILL AFTER THE MEETING, IF YOU'LL HANG AROUND, LET ME ASK HIM.
HE'S GOT TO WORK THIS THERMOSTAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, DID YOU DISCUSS YOUR WITH MISCELLANEOUS? OKAY.
WE HAVE, WE NEED A REVELATION OF DOCTORS THAT WOULD TRANSFER A VEHICLE TO TRI COUNTY SENIOR CITIZENS.
THIS WAS REQUESTED BY THEM THROUGH THREES AND WE DO HAVE SUCH A VEHICLE THAT'S GETTING READY TO BE AUCTIONED.
AND, UH, THE RESOLUTION HAS BEEN PREPARED TO ADOPT THAT SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I THINK WE NEED TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PROPERTY ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.