* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:13] OKAY, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. AND WE'LL OPEN WITH A PRAYER BY BISHOP CURTIS BROWN OF THE HIGHWAY AND HEDGES CHURCH. HE'S NOT HERE. THAT'S THE HEART ONE. YOU WERE SUGGESTED AS MESSED US UP. FATHER. WE WANT TO PRAISE YOU TONIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR OUR LIVES. AND THIS DAY WE'VE HAD, AND WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS MEETING, BLESS THE HALDEMAN AND THE MAYOR, AS THEY DELIBERATE ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE BEFORE US TONIGHT, HELP THEM TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS AND THOSE DECISIONS THAT WOULD BE PLEASING TO YOU. WE ASK THIS IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. ROLL, PLEASE. HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE. RIGHT. FIRST THING WE HAVE TONIGHT IS OUR MONTHLY REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS WHERE THE PUBLIC GETS TO COME FORTH AND SAY THEIR PIECE, SO TO SPEAK. SO WE'LL START WITH THE FRONT ROW, ANYBODY ON THE FRONT ROW DESIGNED TO COME FORTH AND SAY ANYTHING. OKAY, SECOND ROW, NOBODY ON THE SECOND ROW, SOMEBODY ON THE SECOND, UH, PEOPLE IN ROME, UH, I SPOKEN WITH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER EARLIER REGARDING THE ISSUE GARDENS WATER INSTALLATION. HE HAD MADE A COMMENT THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME DETERMINATION MADE, DO NOT LEAVE IN THREE WEEKS. AND, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT Y'ALL WOULD GIVE A STATEMENT, ROLE AND CELEBRATION. THERE'VE BEEN RECENT MANY PROBLEMS OUT THERE. PEOPLE HAVE GROWN OUT DUMP THE SEPARATE TEAM WASTE IN THAT AREA, WHICH MEAN PEOPLE, UH, WHALES ARE CONTAMINATED AND THEIR LIVES ARE INTO EQUITY WITH WATERBORNE DISEASE IN THEIR SEPARATE TAINTS. AND WE DO HOPE THAT YOU GIVE THIS A CLEAR AFRICAN CELEBRATION. THERE WAS TAKEN REGARDING THIS ISSUE IN OUR CALL AND TO A, AND ALSO THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TO KNOW ABOUT THE SITUATION THIS SOMETHING HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME YEARS, BUT THEN SUPPOSEDLY STOPPED IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE WHALES IN THAT YEAR ARE CONTAMINATED WITH HUMAN FECES, PRIVATE BUSINESS. THEY ARE, THEY DRAW THE 17TH MATERIAL FROM THE SEPARATE TANKS AND CARRIED IN THAT AREA. AND IT'S NOT A CITY RESPONSIBILITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SINCE WE HAVE REQUESTED ASSISTANCE IN THE INSULATION OF THE WATER LINE, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP TO THEIR COMMITMENT. YOUR FUNDS ARE TO INSTALL MINES IN THAT AREA BECAUSE HUMAN LIVES ARE JAIL. PEOPLE CAN DIE IN THAT BECAUSE OF CONTAMINATED DRINKING WATER. WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE TO DIE IN THAT AREA IN RECENT YEARS, WHICH IS QUITE A FEW PEOPLE UP AND STAYED IN ROW. THIS ROW IS, UH, ONE MILE LONG, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT 19 A FAN IS MOVING ON THAT ROAD. LET ME JUST CLARIFY WHAT I DID. I DID SAY IN THE NEXT 20 DAYS THAT I DIDN'T SAY A DETERMINATION ON THE LINE. I SAID, A DETERMINATION ON THE FINANCES WOULD BE AVAILABLE. MAYBE THE TERMINATION IS FINANCE IS JUST LIKE MAKING A DETERMINATION ON THE LINES. I THAT'S A MATTER FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS, BUT THE ONE I TOLD YOU WAS ABOUT THE FINANCE. IT'S NOT, NOT ABOUT , BUT PEOPLE ARE IN NEED OF THIS AND GOING TO ALL THE BOARD IN 1993 AND THEY PASS, IT WAS [00:05:01] SENT FORWARD TO THE, UH, CITY MANAGER. I HAVE COPIES OF THOSE DOCUMENT. THERE'VE BEEN CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS, UH, AND THERE'VE BEEN, UH, WRITTEN IN VERBAL PROMISES, UH, REGARDING THIS ISSUE NOW FEELS STRONGLY THAT WE HAVE A SITUATION. WE DO HAVE THE LIVES THAT CAN BE LOST DUE TO THE CONTAMINATED. OKAY. 20 DAYS HE SAYS, EVEN KNOWS WHETHER HE'S GOT ANY FUNDS OR NOT. SO WE WILL TAKE A LOOK. I THOUGHT THERE WAS IN YOU A RARE ADVERTISEMENTS, A NEWSPAPER YOU'RE IN A BEER GAME. WHEN YOU WANT TO COME IN AND BID ON THE NINE INSTALLATION. I THOUGHT BEFORE YOU WERE ADVERTISED ON THE PEOPLE OF BEER THAT YOU CAN PUT LINES IN THE EAR, YOU WOULD HAVE PHONES, BUT THERE WAS THINGS IN GYM. SO WE DID RUN AN ADVERTISEMENT TO INSTALL IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. AND I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST, THE LAST TIME THAT YOU CAME UP AND THERE WAS A, WE COULD NOT PUT THOSE OUT FOR BID BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE SPECIFICATIONS. THE, UH, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH MONEY THERE TO DO WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. THEY HAD TO BE REDESIGNED AND IN DOING SO, THERE JUST WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT IT BACK INTO THAT SECTION. SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WAS COVERED AT THE LAST, THE LAST TIME THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS BECAUSE OF A REDESIGN. WE HAD TO PULL THAT PROJECT COMPLETELY BACK, REDO THE WHOLE THING, GO BACK OUT. IF YOU'LL RECALL. SOME OF THE PEOPLE ALONG 17 WERE UPSET ALSO BECAUSE WE HAD TOLD THEM A CERTAIN TIME AND WE HAD TO, WE COULDN'T MAKE IT FOR THEM AT THE SAME TIME THAT THAT HAPPENED. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT ROAD? OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO COME FORTH? UM, MS. BARBARA ITEM SET, I CAME TO THIS MEETING ONE TIME BEFORE YOU WERE NOT HERE. YES. I WAS TOLD THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT PIECE OF LAND BEHIND MY HOUSE, WHICH IS A, THE ROCK. WE'D CALL IT THE ROCK. NOW THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO GET DONE. THE DEAL I AM WORRIED ABOUT. I TOLD HIM THAT NIGHT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT BLEND I'LL WAIT TO GET. I TOLD HIM SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE EXPERIENCED AS A FAMILY, THEY ARE LIVING IN THAT PROPERTY. THE TYPE OF CRITTERS WE'VE SEEN DUCKS, GEESE, BEAVER FLOPS, THERE, DEER CRANES MUSKRAT IN THIS FISH. WE'VE SEEN THERE'S MASS CAR, SHELL, TRACK, CRACKERS, CRACKERS, AND CAT FISH BACK THERE. NOW MY SONS DID NOT WANT ME TO TELL YOU HE WAS SPRAYED EVERYBODY ON MY HIP, BUT HE'S GOT, HAD PERMISSION. PERMISSION TO GO BACK THERE. BEAUTIFUL. FIX YOUR BACK. IT'S A PRISTINE AREA. I'M SURE YOU HAD A PICTURE MADE STANDING IN FRONT OF HIM. THAT WAS WHAT BROUGHT ME DOWN FOR THE FIRST MEETING. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY RIGHT NOW A HUNDRED KEEPS THAT FEED EVERY DAY THERE AND NEST ON THAT CROP FOR FIVE YEARS. MY OLDEST SON TOLD ME FOR FIVE YEARS, UH, UH, THE DUCKS HAVE RAISED THEIR SONS. THEIR BABIES HAVE BEEN READY, JUST GOING BACK ON THAT FROG TO PROPERTY OWNERS, MR. COOK, AND MR. ROY YAMS, BOCA PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THIS LANE. AND NEITHER MY AUNT HAS BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT BEING COMPENSATED FOR THE USE OF THEIR LAND. AND MR. GAMES HAS APPROXIMATELY 14, 8% QUESTION HOME OWNERS AROUND THIS AREA. WHAT ABOUT THEM AS THE WATER LEVEL RISES WHAT'S TO PREVENT WATER FROM COMING ON THIS. WHAT ABOUT THE SMOKE? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF ASSURANCE DO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAD? WHAT WILL THIS DO TO OUR PROPERTY VALUES? WE PLANNED TO SELL OUR HOME. AS WE WERE LIVING HOUSE, WHAT WILL THIS DO TO HINDER OUR SALE? WHAT WILL YOU GO ON RECORD AS STAYING IN THE WAY OF ASSURANCE AS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT [00:10:01] THIS DEAL? WHAT THE OLD TOWN WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THIS WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO POST POSTPONE ANY SON OF ANY CONTRACTS UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME OF THE PUB PEOPLE HERE TO BE HER ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW PEOPLE GET, THEY JUST ROLL OVER. CAUSE THEY SAY IT'S GOING TO BE DONE ANYWAY. AND I'M HERE JUST BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE ME STAYING THE STONE. THIS IS STILL AMERICA. AND UM, WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS THING. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO SAY ON THE CONTRACT ON THIS IS IF HE'S RIGHT BEHIND THERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF LANDOWNERS IN ROUND TWO, MR. GOO, IS HE STILL HERE? I SAW HIM A LITTLE EARLIER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL THE LADY WHEN THIS IDEA FIRST CAME UP SOMETIME BACK WHAT MY STATEMENT WAS TO YOU ABOUT THE PROJECT AND HIS VIABILITY, WHAT MUST BE THE CRITERIA THAT YOU COULD EVEN SWIM IN IT BECAUSE YOU WERE GIVING ME FIGURES ABOUT BOD AND THIS AND THAT. AND I SAID THE HECK WITH ALL THAT I WANT TO KNOW, WOULD IT BE PURE AWARD? YOU COULD JUMP IN AND SWIM AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. AND FOR THE PUBLIC'S CONCERN, MR. GOOGLE RIGHT NOW IS PUTTING TOGETHER A PAPER THAT HE SAYS, HE'LL HAVE A ROUGH DRAFT UP TOMORROW, JUST SO I CAN GIVE IT TO ANYBODY THAT'S CONCERNED, INCLUDING MYSELF ABOUT THE, UH, THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK AND ALL THIS TYPE OF THING. AND YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS ONLY AN OPTION THE WAY WE HAVE GOT ON THE LAND. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO EXERCISE ANY OPTION ON THAT LAND, UNLESS THIS THING WORKS ARE IN PLAY. AND I MEAN, BY WORKING, I MEAN, IT ACCOMPLISHES WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, WHICH IS TO TAKE THE NITROGEN, EXCUSE ME, OUT OF THE WATER. AND THE OTHER THING IS IT'LL BE COMPLETELY FINE WITH THE FOLKS THAT LIVE AROUND AND THEY WON'T KNOW ANY DIFFERENT THAN, THAN WHAT THEY KNOW NOW. IF, IF NOT, THEN I WOULDN'T BE A PART OF IT. YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE SAY A LOT OF THINGS. SO THEY GET STARTED IN, IT DEPENDS ON THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT IS FRESH WATER BACK THERE. THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY. WHAT WILL THIS DO TO THE, AS THIS THING IS FILLING UP THE FRESH WATER, WHAT WOULD IT DO TO WHAT OUR TABLE? WELL, SEE, THAT'S THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE, THE STATE HAS TO APPROVE ALL THIS. AND I MEAN, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED OR DONE UNDER RAMPS. BELIEVE ME, THIS IS A VERY PRELIMINARY STAGES OF LOOKING AT THE THING. AND IT'S WITH THE INTENT OF TRYING TO GET US OUT OF THE RIVER. YOU WON'T BE LIKE DUMPING OUR SEWAGE INTO THE, INTO THE CAR. AND THAT WON'T BE WHAT IT'LL BE. IT'LL BE WELL OVER 20 YEARS. WELL, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I'M NOT GOING TO BE A PART OF ANYTHING THAT, UH, IS GOING TO BE A DETRIMENT TO, TO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE OUT THERE. AND WE'RE TRYING TO WHAT THE ATTEMPT IS TO TRY TO FIX IT. THE RIVER THAT WE HAVE AND ALL OF US HAVE AND ALL OF US TO ENJOY AND TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO GET US AT IT. AND HOPEFULLY BY EXAMPLE, WHEN WE GET OUT OF IT AND TRY TO GET OUT OF IT. SO I'M GOING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE UPSTREAM FROM US. WE'LL LOOK AT YOUR FOLKS DOWN IN NEWBURN, WHERE GENERALLY THINGS IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA, I LIKE TO THINK OF WHERE PEOPLE FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE THINGS AND THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER PEOPLE. AND FOR THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, I MEAN, ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP, ANYTHING IN THAT, MAN, RIGHT THERE IS, IT IS A CONSULTING ENGINEER, FIRM REPRESENT ASSOCIATES. AND HE KNOWS THE FIRST TIME THIS DISCUSSION EVER CAME UP, IT WAS RIGHT HERE, MR. HARTMAN'S OFFICE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SEE THEM NODDING HIS HEAD. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I TOLD HIM. I SAID, I KNOW THOSE PEOPLE. I GREW UP WITH THOSE PEOPLE. AND IF I CAN'T, IF I COULDN'T JUMP IN IT AND SWAM MY OWN SELF AND FEEL TOTALLY SAFE AND EVERYTHING, THEN IT'S GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE. ONCE WE HAVE A GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE SOMEBODY SAYS, NO, THAT CAN'T HAPPEN IN THE STORE. AND I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO ATTEND. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT ANY SKILL THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT'S AN ATTEMPT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND TO TRY TO DO IT AS I, MYSELF TRIED TO BE FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE. AND, UH, A LOT OF THINGS ARE SAID, AND THEN WHEN THEY GET IN ALL THESE SIDES, I GET THE COMBAT SIDE. YOU HAVE PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I DIDN'T DO THIS. [00:15:01] HE DID. THERE'S ALWAYS PASSING BOOKS. SO THERE'S NO, YEAH, I KNOW. WELL, HE'S POINTING OUT THAT THIS CONTRACT IS ONLY TO DO THE STUDIES TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO CAN BE DONE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE'LL SAY THEY HAVE TO BUY OFF. THE STATE HAS TO BUY OFF THAT WATER TANK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BELIEVE ME, THERE'S NOTHING WE WANT TO DO TO UPSET THE WATER TABLE. I MEAN, THAT'S THE BEST WATER I HAVE A DRAIN CAME OUT OF THAT GROUND OUT OF MY HAND PUMP. WELL, SOME PEOPLE SAY SOME OF THE BEST DID COME FROM OUT OF BUT YOU KNOW, SO REALLY, I MEAN, I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HOPE I ACCOMPLISHED WHEN I RAN WAS TO, WAS TO TRY TO GET, GET IT TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE COULD BELIEVE SOMETHING WHEN THEY SAID IT, THAT IT WAS NOT TO SAY ONE THING AND DO ANOTHER, WELL, MY NEIGHBOR LOST HIS HEARING AND HIS SIDE OF HIS MOUTH. AND HE SAID, HE JUST COULDN'T COME. WILL YOU TELL HIM THAT, THAT IT REALLY, I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT HE WANTS TO KNOW OR ANYTHING WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO, TO KEEP ANYTHING UNDER WRAPS, IT'S ALL TOTALLY WIDE OPEN. I MEAN, IN FACT, IF IT W IF IT WON'T WORK, THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE AN OPTION AT THE END OF THIS PERIOD OF TIME, IF IT WANTS TO DO EVERY ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA THAT WE'VE SAT DOWN THEN, AND WE WERE NOT FORWARD, THIS BOARD'S NOT FOR IT. DID YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE AND MR. COOPER WILL BE COMPENSATED? UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF, OH, NO, HEY, THIS IS ALL PART OF WHAT HAS TO COME TOGETHER, BUT WE COULDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT. THE THING IS THAT MAC, CAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD WORK. I LOVE THAT. UH, THE QUARRY, THAT THOUSAND ACRES IS THE BIGGEST THING, THE BIGGEST ENTITY IN MY WARD. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER'S DONE THERE AND MEETS WITH ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS SAVED AND IS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY. AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE YOUR ADDRESS. I'D LIKE TO COME OUT THERE AND VISIT YOU BECAUSE I DON'T WANT AN EFFICIENT YEAH. BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR NAME AGAIN AND YOUR ADDRESS, UM, VISIT CHEST OR HUSK, H U S K 33 24. I CAN NEVER GET OFF A NEWS BACK TO THE CLOCK. ALWAYS SEE IT FROM THE LIMBER. IT'S REALLY PRETTY, BUT IT'S GETTING MONEY. OR NOW, SINCE THEY'VE STARTED WATER COMING IN GOVERNMENT, KENNY BLOCK, THEY STEAL, THEY DON'T BRING ANY OF THE FISH. REALLY THAT'S THE TRUTH. I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAINTAIN UNITY AND MAKE SURE THEY WERE NEIGHBORHOOD FRIENDLY, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. WHAT ABOUT NEIGHBORS? 70 SOME YEARS OLD? AND HE'S GETTING VERY GOOD. HE'S GETTING VERY ANGRY ABOUT THINGS, CLOSING IN ON HIM AND GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER AND DOING THINGS TO HIM. AND IT'S SORT OF HARD FOR HIM NOW. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO HIM THAT DOES NOT MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, NOT STUDY. AND LET ME ADD TO WHAT HE SAID. NOT ONLY JUST, WELL, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET SOME REGULATIONS. IF IT DOESN'T MEET HUMAN APPROVAL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SOMETIMES YOU HAVE LAWS. REGULATIONS SAY, WELL, IT WAS ALL ILLEGAL, BUT IT STILL AIN'T. RIGHT. WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT. I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING AND DO IT RIGHT. AND THEN TO LOOK ALL THE WAY BACK UP THIS RIVER AND SAY, NOW WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF YOU FOLKS? AND UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, THIS, THIS SOMEBODY'S GOT TO MAKE, MAKE SOMETHING WRONG. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BEST WE CAN, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS OR FRESHMEN IN YOUR LIFE. THEY'RE ASKING US FOR GAMES, PERMISSION. FIRST, GO SIT ON THAT HEAT. SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THINGS, YOU JUST WATCH THINGS ON THAT. HE WAS BEAUTIFUL. AND IT'S A SHAME. YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS THING COMES OUT AND THERE'S NO SMELL OR ANYTHING TO ANYONE OUT THERE, IT WAS JUST A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO REFLECT. I EVEN HAVE MY OLDER BOYS GO DOWN AND SIT AND JUST, WELL, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO KEEP, BUT I HAVE TO OCTOBER THE SANDWICH SOMEWHERE ELSE MAY BE SITTING IN THE BANK. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? NOBODY ELSE. OKAY. NEXT THING IS THE CONSENT [00:20:01] AGENDA. HOW ABOUT THE 6, 7 11, 6, 7 11 MAN MACHINE GUN AND ALL THE SLAVES LEFT. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF IT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DID THAT CONSENT AGENDA ITEM SIX, SEVEN. ANYWAY, SECOND COMMENT IS EXHIBIT A, SHOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE RESOLUTION, WHICH IS IN ITEM 13 PROPERTIES, WHICH ARE INVOLVED IN, I WOULDN'T DRIVE A MOTION RESTATE. I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS 6, 7, 11, AND 13, AND I'VE GOT A RESOLUTION TO TAKE PLACE. AND THE ONE IS ON THE 12TH. SAME THING, BUT IN DIFFERENT WORDS, OH, I HAVE TO PULL UP TO SEE 7 11, 12 AND 13. OKAY. DO I HEAR ANY DISCUSSION? YOU MIGHT CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. MA'AM UM, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. YOU DON'T MIND. BEFORE WE GO INTO SIX AND SEVEN, WHICH ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE TIME CONSUMING, I'D LIKE TO JUMP TO 11. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR, UH, MIKE, IS THIS, UH, THESE TWO PARCELS OF LAND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS SUBDIVISION IS THAT C3. I SEE THAT, UH, THE SUN GENERAL PROPERTY IS ZONE C3. THESE OTHER TWO IS OWN THE SAME WAY. THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT, THE ONLY REAL QUESTION I HAD AND I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT TO THE VERY END, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ON THAT. UH, JUST TO GET THAT ONE OUT OF THE WAY AND I'D MAKE A MOTION. WE ADOPT NUMBER 11. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON 11? CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO SIX DEGREES AND I ASKED TO PULL NUMBER SIX IS BECAUSE IT'S A RESOLUTION APPROVING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE NORTH COUNTY EASTERN MUNICIPAL POWER AGENCY IN THE CITY OF NEW. AND I SEE THAT, UH, WE HAVE AN HONORED GUEST HERE AND I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS LOOKING AT IT, YOU MIGHT BETTER READ SOMETHING INTO IT AND IT'S NOT THERE. SO WOULD YOU TAKE JUST A MINUTE TO EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS? YES, CURRENTLY WE HAD 45 MEGAWATTS APPARENT ROAD, SUBSTATION, 50 PAST, UM, WITH THE CITY'S GROWTH, WE PURCHASED THE TRENT ROAD SUBSTATION ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. AND IF WE WANT TO EXPAND THAT SUBSTATION, THE ONE 15 KV LINE FEEDS TRINET ROAD AND HANDLE ADDITIONAL 15 PASSENGER. THIS AGREEMENT WILL ALLOW US TO PUT THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY ON THAT STATION. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT ALLOWS US IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS WHERE WE LOSE TRAIN ROAD SUBSTATION TO SWITCH LOAD NEW BURNER AND C 50 MBA. SO IT ALLOWS US FOR GROWTH. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR US TO FALL ASLEEP WITH THE SWITCH LOAD BETWEEN THE TWO STATIONS, EMERGENCY SITUATIONS AND IMPROVEMENT OF LIABILITY. WE HAD A CASE WHERE WE LOSE ONE OF THE SUBSTATIONS DOING STOLEN OR LOST. OKAY. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST TRYING TO GIVE OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY, A LITTLE MORE EXTRA CAPACITY. W W WHAT'S THE GROWTH ARE LOW THREE OR FOUR TIMES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND RICK'S NINE TO THE MVA, WHICH INCLUDE THE PADLOCK DELIVERY POINT NUMBER THREE, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO GROW. SO WHAT CAPACITY DID YOU GET? I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO GOT MORE THAN ONE 15. WE HAD TRENT ROAD SUBSTATION, BUT THAT'S ALL AT ONE 15 KV LINE AND SUPPLY 10 [00:25:01] OR 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. YOU MIGHT BE FACED WITH THAT VERDICT. THE TWO THIRD FOR 12,230,000 BUCKS. I THINK IT'S EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR US. WE'RE PICKING UP SOME CAPACITY THERE IT'S A VITAMIN WATER AND EVEN IMPROVES AND WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST OF DISAGREEMENT? THERE'S NO COST, UH, SINCE, UH, UNDER WHICH MR. BEVINS TRANSMISSION, UH, PATIENT COST THAT THIS IS ALREADY BUILT AND IS NOT, NOT UNUSED TO NOT CHARGE US FOR, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO CALL IT REBUILD EXPANSION SUBSTATION. IF YOU'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING AND SHOULD HAVE COMPLETE SYSTEM RALPH, SINCE YOU WERE HERE TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO YOU AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HELPED WITH THE RECENT ELECTRICITY'S MEETING HELD HERE IN NEWBURN JUST OVER A WEEK AGO, HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED? IT WAS NOT 700 PAPERS. SO 350. AND THESE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER FROM ALL OVER THE STATE OF CAROLINA AND I CHATTED WITH A NUMBER OF THEM ABOUT, ABOUT THE CITY, HOW THEY FELT ABOUT THE CITY. AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. THE COMMENTS WE GOT ABOUT, UH, HOW IMPRESSED THEY WERE WITH THE CITY OF LABOR AND WITH THE WAY THAT MEETING WENT OFF, IT WAS, IT WAS A JOB DONE. AND I THINK WE'LL GET SOME TOURISM FROM JUST THOSE PEOPLE COMING HERE TO VISIT AND SEEING THE CHANGES THAT OCCURRED IN THE LAST PERIOD OF TIME AND THE WEATHER DIMENSION, WHICH I STARTED TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT NIGHT. BUT PEOPLE DID A GOOD JOB OF THE QUESTIONS ON THAT. WELL, I JUST, I APPRECIATE IT, RALPH, YOU, YOU ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT. NUMBER SIX SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF SEX, YOU MAY CALL IT A ROLL ON THAT ONE. YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. OKAY. NUMBER SEVEN. WE'VE GOT MR. ABUSE HERE WHEN MR. GOULD AND, UH, I THINK THIS IS JUST AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK HIM, TO GIVE US SOME EXPLANATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT WE CAN INFORM OUR PUBLIC OF WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND WHICH WAY WE'RE GOING. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE, SO LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT FOR ME, WHAT THIS STUDY ENTAILS. YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BASICALLY. UM, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH HAS TAKEN A PROACTIVE STANCE IN REMOVING AS F DISCHARGED FROM THE NEUSE RIVER AT PRESENT TIME, WHEN YOU ARE ONE OF THE LEAST STRINGENT FROM THIS OLD RIVER IN 1999, A PERMIT IS DUE TO EXPIRE AT WHICH TIME WE EXPECT TO RECEIVE, UH, SOME MORE STRINGENT LIMITS, WHICH CAN INCLUDE REMOVING NITROGEN FROM THE RIVER, UH, AS PART OF THE PLAN TO MEET THESE NEW LIMITS, UH, BEFORE ANY, AT FIRST WAS LOOKED AT AS A POSSIBILITY OF BEING A HOLDING WE'RE GIVING THE, WHERE WE WOULD MOVE INTO THE APPLICATION SITE. WE DID, UH, SPRAY IRRIGATE PLAN AND TAKE CARE OF OUR EFFLUENT IN THAT WAY. AT THE SAME TIME, WE WERE PART OF THE EFFLUENT FROM THE RIVER, AS WE BEGAN DOING A LITTLE STUDYING THERE, UM, I, ALL SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED FROM PUMPING DATA THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT EFFLUENT INTO THE PIT. AND IT WAS ALL OF, OF INCREASING THAT THE GROUND WATER LEVEL BY INCREASING THE HIP PRESSURE ON GROUND WATER WAS WATER, WASHINGTON DISSIPATING INTO THE, UH, WHERE ALL THE WATER UNDERNEATH THE GROUND THAT WAS CALLED THE CASTLE PAINS, UH, THROUGH THE LIMESTONE PCS UP, NO WAR 60 MILLION BAIL ON THE WATER OUT AT THE SAME APPLEDORE EVERY DAY. THE ADVANTAGES DO THAT IS THAT NOT ONLY HAVE WE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY STUDIES, BUT WE'VE ALSO FOUND OUT THAT THERE IS SOME HOT, COOL RIDE RESIDUALS [00:30:01] IN THAT WATER, IN THAT PUTTING THEIR TERTIARY TREATED EFFLUENT INTO THE RIVER WILL ACTUALLY HELP THE GROUND WATER FROM ITS PRESENT STATE. IN 99, WE WILL UPGRADE OUR PLANT FOR THE, WE USE THIS AS A PLACE TO DEPOSIT GUIDE FOR MORE, WHETHER WE GO TO LAND APPLICATION IN THE FUTURE, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, OR IF WE STAY WITH THE DISCHARGE TO THE RIVER, ALL OF THOSE ARE OPTIONS. AT THIS POINT IN TIME. OUR FIRST STEP IS JUST TO DO A STUDY, TO SEE IF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH WOULD HAVE A VIABLE INTEREST IN BUYING THIS PROPERTY. AND WE WILL PUT A TREATMENT PLAN IN PLACE THAT WILL TREAT TO TERTIARY MOVEMENTS WILL BE DOWN. UM, WHATEVER THE STATE COMES UP WITH RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE APPOINTED BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE MILLIGRAMS PER LITER. THE VACUUM WILL STILL HAVE A PHOSPHOROUS. EVERYTHING ABOUT PLANT WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH CLEANER. AND THEN FROM THAT DISCHARGE WHERE THEY WOULD GO TO THE RIVER, GO TO THIS BIT MORE INFUSION TO HAVING THE PATIENT OPTIONS THIS POINT IN TIME, WHERE WE'RE JUST SECURING OUR ABILITY TO HAVE OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE. 10, 15, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT. I'M ASKING YOU TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENT WITH ROOMS OF ASSOCIATES, TO DO THE PRELIMINARY STUDY, WHICH INVOLVES DRILLING 12 TEST WELLS SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE HOW WATER UNDERGROUND FLOWS, WHAT INFLUENCE THIS PROJECT WOULD HAVE. SO WE WOULD HAVE BETTER DATA TO GIVE TO THE STATE. AND WHEN WE HAD MET WITH THE STATE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY REAL OBJECTION AS TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THESE, THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS FIRST STUDY PHASE IS A MENTAL REQUIREMENT. THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AFTER WE TURN THIS DATA ALONG WITH THE STUDY OF GIVING THEM THE INFORMATION YOU WILL FIND IN THIS SPORT. IN THIS FIRST PHASE, RIVERS IS ENTERED INTO ONE CONTRACT. THEY HAVE CONTRACTED, THEY WILL CONTRACT AFTER YOU APPROVED THIS WITH A HYDROGEOLOGIST AND WE'LL GRILL. AND, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST AERIAL MAPPING. SO WE GET ONE FOOT CONTOURS AND KNOW EXACTLY, UM, THE POWER DOCS WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT IN THAT SCHOOL. DIDN'T YOU ALL WANT? SO TELL ME AT ONE TIME THAT THE GENTLEMAN THAT YOU WERE CONSIDERING AT THAT TIME, HIS CREDENTIALS DOCTOR, WHOEVER IT WAS, BUT ANYWAY, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEBODY THAT IF HE DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER, THERE, WASN'T AN ANSWER BASICALLY. I MEAN, THIS IS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO DO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDY THAT WE COME UP WITH IS A REAL VIABLE DEADBOLT STUDY. YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS TELLING US WHAT WILL HAPPEN. AND THAT WAY WE'LL KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. AND THAT'S WHY IT HAS AN OPTION ON THE QUARRY, BECAUSE IF ALL LESS DOESN'T COME OUT AND DOT THE I'S AND CROSS THE T'S AS THE END OF IT. AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE VOTE TO BE AT A POINT THAT WE EITHER HAVE THE, GO AHEAD WITH THIS. THEY SAY, YES, THIS IS A VIABLE OPTION. AND YES, WE, WE LOOK LIKE WE WILL GIVE YOU A PERMIT. UH, I'M SURE THAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO SPEND TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IF THERE WERE ANY NEGATIVE STATEMENTS. AND THERE IS NOT A PERMIT TO THE ISSUE. THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION AT THAT POINT IN TIME. BUT WE'VE GOT A YEAR, ACTUALLY 11 MONTHS RIGHT NOW TO DO THIS STUDY, TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO THE STATE. IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH NUMEROUS AGENCIES THERE, UM, TO BE LOOKED AT, WE'VE MET WITH SOME OF THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS. WE'VE MET SOME OF THE CHIEFS. WE EVEN GO TO THE RALEIGH AND TALK TO SOME OF THE FOLKS THERE. AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE ROADBLOCKS, WHEN DID YOU TALK TO THEM, TO THEM ABOUT ANY GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE FOR THIS STUDY? THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS THAT, UH, UH, DID THEY INDICATE WHETHER OR NOT ANY GRANT MONEY WAS AVAILABLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT GRANDMA IS AVAILABLE FOR THE STUDY ITSELF, BUT MR. HARTMAN AND RAIDING ISLAND TO DO A ROBBERY AND ACTUALLY SAT DOWN AND TALKED WITH SOME FOLKS ABOUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT AS A WHOLE. WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT, THAT BEFORE WE EXECUTE A CONTRACT REQUIRING A STUDY OF IS INVOLVED IN THIS, THIS AMOUNT, WE NEED TO PURSUE A GRANT FOR THIS STUDY. AND THE REASON IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IN EFFECT PROTECT THE NEWS. IS THAT CORRECT? REDUCE THE NATIONAL LEVEL IN THE NEUSE RIVER. IS THAT ONE OF OUR IMMEDIATE OBJECTIVES? WELL, OUR IMMEDIATE OBJECTIVE IS THAT WE HAVE AN OPTIONAL PROPERTY FOR ONE YEAR AND DO ONE YEAR WELL RAN AND SHOOK HIS HEAD. I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HELP SAVE THE NEWS. I KNOW ABOUT [00:35:01] OPTIONS. WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THE NEWS, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. WE CAN'T SAY THE NEWS BY OUR SALES NEWBURG, CAN'T SAVE THE WORLD. AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T SAY THE NEWS BY OURSELVES AS A CITY. IT'S NO SENSE IN US, SINGLE-HANDEDLY INVESTING THIS KIND OF MONEY TO SAVE THE NEWS. AND PEOPLE LIKE CITIES LIKE RALEIGH, CARROT, AND OTHER CITIES WHO BORDER ON A NEWSREEL WHERE THEY DO NOTHING. I THINK THAT THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA OUGHT TO ASSIST US IN THIS NOBLE OBJECTIVE. AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO JUST SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY. AND NOBODY ELSE IS TRYING TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE ALL THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS, WELL, WE'LL JUST TAKE UP NUMEROUS SLACK. WE'LL WE'LL DUMP MORE GOOD DUMP WHAT NEW BURNS SAYING. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. IT SHOULD BE A CONCERTED EFFORT ON BEHALF OF AIRBUS CITY ON A NEWSREEL. THEY ALL NEED TO BE WORKING ALL THINGS. AND IF THEY'RE NOT LET THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA ASSIST US IN DOING A PROJECT, THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA ROBIN. BUT THIS ROBERT, THIS, THIS, THE MAIN OBJECTIVE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE MAIN OBJECTIVE IS FOR US TOP LINE IS THAT BEFORE NEWBORN TO SAVE THE NEWS, TOPLINE IS FOR NEW TO BE PREPARED, NOT TO ADD ANY OTHER BAD THINGS TO THE NEWSPAPER. WE'RE ONLY DOING OUR PART. THAT'S GOING TO BE MANDATED BY US IN A YEAR TO COME. THAT'S WHAT WE DOING. OUR MAIN THING IS NOT TO SAVE THE NEWS IS TO SAY NEW BIRTH FROM BEING FIRED FROM CREATING PROBLEMS. I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY. LET ME ADD SOMETHING TO MY VIEWPOINT, TO IT. AND THEN YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT IT. MY OPINION IS THAT IF WE ALL SAT AROUND WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO MOVE THOSE OF US THAT LIVE ON THE RIVER, LIKE THE CITY OF NEWBURN ARE GOING TO BE SITTING HERE PROBABLY WITH SOME, SOME, SOME FAIRLY DECENT PROBLEMS FOR SOME TIME TO COME. I CANNOT IMAGINE LIKE A WIDOW'S MITE IN THE, IN, IN THE BOP. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IT, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH WHO HAPPENS TO LIVE DOWNSTREAM FROM THESE OTHER FOLKS. SO WHAT WE'RE CLEANING UP IS BASICALLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT AWAY, AND ESPECIALLY NO BIGGER THAN THE CITY OF NAVALNY, AS IT WILL BE AS THE TERM HE USED PROACTIVE AND TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, THEN IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF IT'LL WORK. BUT JUST THAT STEADY. I FEEL LIKE WITH THE GUY THAT MAKES THE MOVE AND TO START TO DO SOMETHING, WE'LL HAVE A MULTIPLIER EFFECT ON THE WHOLE REP. THAT'S MY THEORY. AND THE THEORY BEING THAT IF THERE'S ANY MONEY OUT AND THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE, AND THERE WILL BE THAT THE, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THINGS WILL PROBABLY BE THE ONES THAT GET THE MONEY. THE ONES WHO COME IN ON THE TAIL END OF IT WILL BE GETTING WHAT'S LEFT IF THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS AS A, AS A, AS A PILOT MANEUVER TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE RIVER, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IF WE WAIT FOR THESE OTHER CITIES TO DO SOMETHING AND ALL THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME OLD THING. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'LL BE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT JUST WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT QUITE A WHILE TO COME. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO MAKE THE MOVE, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEING ANYMORE APPROPRIATE AND US MAKING THE MOVE. I'M THE GUY THAT LIVED UP ON 60 MINUTES AND IT'S ALWAYS, I OWN THE HOUSE OFF. AND I SEE US ON 60 MINUTES. AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A MAN COME DOWN HERE AND SAY THIS. THIS IS THE WAY THAT IF I AIN'T GOT CLEANED UP, BUT THESE GUYS MADE THE MOVE, THEY STARTED THE BALL. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS A NOBLE EFFORT. HOWEVER, I STILL THINK THAT THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA NEEDS TO SHARE IN THE BURDEN OF TRYING TO REDUCE WASTE IN THAT'S BEING EMPTY. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO TRY TO PURSUE GRANT MONEY. BECAUSE I REMEMBER READING IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT MONIES WERE BEING ALLOCATED FOR THAT VERY PURPOSE. LET'S TRY TO OPTIONS, BUT AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE GRANT, THEN THIS ISSUE, THEN WE BRING THIS BACK TO THE TABLE. BUT SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THOUGH, IF WE GO AND APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WE COULD STILL GET GRANT MONEY TO PAY IT WITH, COULD WE NOT, ONCE YOUR TUTORS CONTRACT, YOU OBLIGATED, WOULD YOU USE THAT MONEY ON THE REST OF IT? BUT SEE IF, IF YOU, YOU IT'S, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PURSUE A GRANT. IF YOU'VE ALREADY EXECUTED A CONTRACT, OBLIGATING YOURSELF TO PICK IT'S BEST TO PURSUE THE GRANT SAYING, WE WANT TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS WHERE THESE GRANTS ARE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DO THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS SMALL IN COST IN COMPARISON TO THE PROJECT ITSELF. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE UNDER A ONE YEAR CONTRACT. WE HAVE TO DECIDE WITHIN A YEAR, IF WE TRY TO [00:40:01] APPLY FOR A GRANT, YOU CAN, YOU CAN KISS THE ONE-YEAR GOODBYE. WE'LL NEVER MAKE IT WE'RE PRESSED RIGHT NOW. IF YOU PASS IT TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BE HARD PRESSED TO GET THIS DATA TO THE STATE AND GET A GOOD FEELING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET A PERMIT THROUGH THE STUDY PHASE DONE. THEN A YEAR WE'RE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO GOT 11 MONTHS. WELL, I THINK OPTIONS, WE CAN, WE CAN PAY DISH, PAY $10, $10 FOR THE FIRST OPTION. IT CAN BE EXTENDED. I MEAN, IF WE'LL TRY TO WORK ON THIS PROBLEM IN GOOD FAITH, I'M SURE THE PEOPLE THAT WE ENTER INTO THE OPTION WILL WORK WITH US. IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO LET US SIGN AN OPTION FOR A YEAR FOR $10, THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO HELP US OUT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO AT LEAST TRY BECAUSE THE STATE MAY PAY FOR THE ENTIRE STUDY. THEY MAY PAY FOR 50% OF IT, BUT 50% OF 160 OR $4,000 IS $82,000. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. AND IN OUR TALKS WITH THE STATE AND I'M RIGHT, LOSE $22 MILLION, 2.9%, WHATEVER THOUGHT, BUT YOU SEE A STUDY LIKE THIS YEAR CAN BENEFIT EVERYBODY. THE STATE. WELL, THE STATE TO MY KNOWLEDGE DOES NOT HAVE ANY GRANT MONIES AVAILABLE FOR STUDY AT THIS TIME. NOW THE LEGISLATURE IS IN SESSION. AND SO IF THIS BOARD WANTED TO GET A SPECIAL ACT BY THE LEGISLATURE, SOME, UH, DIRECT APPROPRIATIONS I WOULD, WHICH I WOULD HAVE MY DOWN SO WE CAN GET. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU ALL HAVE THAT KIND OF INFLUENCE WITH OUR LEGISLATORS AND THEY HAD THAT KIND OF INFLUENCE WITH THE LEGISLATURE ITSELF, THEN MAYBE THAT COULD BE DONE. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE VERY PRACTICAL FOR US AT THIS POINT TO GO WITH ANY EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD GET ANY GRANT FOR THIS STUDY. NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY COMPARED TO WHAT THE OVERALL PROJECT WILL BE. IF THIS PROJECT GOES, AND AS THE MAYOR SAID, IF WE'RE, AND AS MR MATTINGLY SAYS, IF WE ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS, IF WE, UH, COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE STATE IS LOOKING FOR, IF WE, WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, UH, CAN PROVIDE, UH, TREATMENT OF A FLUENT, UH, AND DISPOSAL OF THAT WITHOUT ANY ODORS OR THAT KIND OF THING, UH, WITH HIGH QUALITY WATER, UH, AT BEING THE RESULT, THEN THE STATE HAS INDICATED A WILLINGNESS TO HELP US IN FUNDING THE OVERALL PROJECT. NOW, THE OVERALL, UH, THE, UH, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE COST FOR THE PROJECT WILL BE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. BUT THE STATE HAS SAID THAT, UH, WE ARE, WE WILL BE NUMBER ONE ON THEIR LIST TO, FOR FUNDING FOR A GRANT, FROM NOT GRANTS, BUT FOR LUNCH BECAUSE THEY DON'T OFFER GRANTS ANY LONGER. BUT THOSE LOANS ARE LOANS THAT WE COULD GET FOR 20 YEARS. 2.9%. THE INTEREST ON THE LOANS IS DEFERRED UNTIL AFTER THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED COMPLETELY. AND SIX MONTHS AFTER THE PROJECT IS IN OPERATION. THEN THE FIRST OF THAT 2.9% INTEREST BEGINS ACCRUING ON THE PRINCIPAL ON THE LOAN. SO THAT'S, UH, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, UH, AND SAVINGS AND EFFORT AND INPUT BY THE STATE. EVEN THOUGH I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU ALL, WHEN RAINER THAT IT WOULD REALLY BE NICE SINCE IT IS THE STATE'S RIVER. ALSO, THEY WOULDN'T JUST JUMP IN THERE AND HELP US. BUT I DON'T SEE THAT AS A REAL POSSIBILITY AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH THIS. WELL, MY OPINION IS THAT IF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS REALLY COMMITTED AND TO SAVE IN THE NEWS, THEN THEY NEED TO HELP US IN THE EMBRYONIC STAGE. WE'RE TAKING A RISK BY DOING A STUDY WHEREIN WE COULD POSSIBLY LOSE $164,000. WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY STAND, IF THEY ARE IN FACT SUPPORTIVE OF TRYING TO SAVE THE NEWS AND ASSISTANT ASSISTING US IN WHAT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE JUST BLOWING SMOKE AND PLAYING POLITICS. I THINK YOU NEED TO TRY, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE TABLE IN A DISCIPLINE DECISION FOR YOU TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT NO, WE GOT STAFF TO DO THAT. I'M A POLICY MAKER. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY BECAUSE IF THE RESULTS ARE UNFAVORABLE, THAT'S $164,000. I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SAVE OUR RIVER AND, AND I THINK THE STATE NEEDS TO HELP US. AND, AND, AND HE SAID HE DID THAT. HE DIDN'T PURSUE ALL THE FEASIBILITY ABOUT OBTAINING GRANTS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND THEN BRING THIS AMOUNT OF BACK TO THE TABLE. BUT FIRST, LAST, LET'S ASK THE STATE [00:45:01] FOR ASSISTANCE. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. MR. UM, MR. MCCASKILL GOVERNMENTS HAVE A PARTICULAR INTEREST IN GOOD QUALITY AND THE RHYTHM. AND SO THEY ARE WRITING GRANTS TO THE STATE, INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO SPECIAL FUNDS FOR STUDIES, WHICH I CONSULT WITH HIM AND SEE IF THEY DO OPEN THE RESOURCES TO OUR COLLEGE HAS COME CONVERSATION A WHILE AGO, ABOUT FOUR I'LL TRY TO CLEAN IT UP. THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE FOR EVERYBODY TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE PROPOSING. SO MATTER OF FACT, IT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD LOOK INTO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, RATHER THAN FOR US TO THROW IT AROUND, SOME OF US DON'T HAVE THIS CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE TITLE IT. HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT YOUR EFFORTS? CAN YOU JUST, HERE'S WHAT MY THINKING WAS. AND OBVIOUSLY, I GUESS, AN ATTEMPT TO FIX A REVEREND, THAT TYPE OF THING IS IT'S ALL THE RAIN WAS TALKING ABOUT AND OBVIOUSLY THE STATE AND, UH, EVERYBODY ELSE OUGHT TO HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT. BUT MY THINKING FROM A PSYCHOLOGICAL APPROACH WAS THAT PEOPLE GET TIRED OF YOU COMING TO THE WHALE, NO PUN INTENDED. WOULD YOU HAND OUT IF THIS THING IS GOING TO WORK, THE GRANTS AND THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD NEED IS FAR BEYOND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO GET. IT WOULD BE FAR BEYOND THE COST OF THIS STUDY. AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SEE US GO TO BASICALLY THE SAME PEOPLE AND ASK FOR MONEY TWICE. YOU KNOW, HERE WE COME AGAIN, WE GOT THE MONEY, HE GOT THE STUDY, BIG DEAL AND ASK ON TO WORK. HEY, WE COME BACK AND WANT SOME MORE HELP. I JUST FELT LIKE THAT IF THE THING WAS GOING TO WORK, WHICH THE GENERAL CONSENSUS BY EVERYBODY WAS THAT IT WILL, WE WOULDN'T BE SPENDING THE MONEY. WASN'T LIKE A WILD GUESS THAT THEN IF WE HAD A VIABLE, REAL PROJECT THAT EVERYBODY HAD SIGNED OFF AND IT WAS A GAMBLE TO SOME DEGREE ON THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, THEN WE ONLY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE WELL ONCE. AND THAT WAS WHEN PEOPLE TURNED US DOWN. THEN THE CAUSE AND EFFECT WAS VERY APPARENT TO EVERYBODY. THEY WOULD BE SAYING NO TO THE RIVER, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. AT THIS POINT, I CAN SAY NO TO JUST A STEADY AND A STUDY IS WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE CONNOTATIONS ARE TO THAT WORD. SOME PEOPLE SAY THE OUT OF THE STUDY, IT'S JUST A SMOKE SCREEN AND IT COULD NEVER DO ANYTHING. SO MY THINKING WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THE REST OF THE BOARD CAN, I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO WAIT AND GO TRY TO GET MONEY ON A GRANT SOMEWHERE FOR THIS THING, AND THAT'S FINE, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, AS YOU POINTED OUT THAT THE CLOCK IS RUNNING ON THAT OPTION IS NOW MR. WARD SAYS NOW TO 10 MONTHS, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT PROPERTY FOR OTHER REASONS. GO AHEAD, BILL. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE FIRST, SINCE THIS IDEA WAS FIRST PUT FORTH, GOSH, I THINK IT'S BEEN ABOUT FOUR YEARS, THREE, THREE OR FOUR YEARS. YEAH. WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS, KNOWING THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN DOING WHAT WE COULD TO HELP CLEAN UP THAT RIVER, CLEAN UP THE ENVIRONMENT, PROVIDE A BETTER ENVIRONMENT, LIFESTYLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO LIVE IN NEWBURN. IF WE MAY DECIDE, WELL, LET'S PUT OFF THIS VOTING ON THIS STUDY UNTIL WE FIND OUT IF WE CAN GET A LITTLE GRANT MONEY TO HELP US. DOES THAT MEAN [00:50:01] IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT MONEY, WE'RE GOING TO TRASH THIS IDEA AND NOT DO THE STUDY AT ALL? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THIS BOARD IS COMMITTED TO THIS STUDY. I THINK WE'RE COMMITTED TO FINDING OUT IF THIS WILL WORK. IF THIS WORKS, IF THIS WORKS NEWBURN WILL STAND AT THE VERY HEAD OF ALL TOWNS AND CITIES ON THIS RIVER, TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING OR ITS PEOPLE OR NOT. WE GET A LITTLE GRANT MONEY FROM HERE OR THERE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS STUDY BECAUSE WE MORALLY, I THINK WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO SO. SO I DON'T SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GAIN ANYTHING BY PUTTING OFF STARTING THE WORK, JUST TO SEE IF SOMEONE ELSE WILL PAY PART OF THE BILL. I THINK THAT, UH, TIME BEING OF THE ESSENCE, IT'S TIME FOR US TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTHS ARE. AND WE'VE TOLD THE PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO CLEAN UP THIS RIVER. THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WE HAVE HERE. NOT EVERY TOWN IN NORTH CAROLINA HAS SUCH A POSSIBILITY, SUCH A POSSIBLE SOLUTION. IT IS JUST A MADE TO ORDER SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. IF THE STUDY SHOWS THAT IT WILL WORK, LIKE WE THINK IT WILL. I THINK PUTTING IT OFF, JUST HOPING TO GET A LITTLE MONEY TO HELP PAY FOR THE STUDY WOULD SERVE NO PURPOSE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE STUDY ANYWAY. AND I THINK WE ARE, I THINK WE NEED TO, I THINK WE HAVE TO, IT'S GETTING BACK TO THAT LITTLE LIGHTING, A CANDLE INSTEAD OF CURSING THE DARKNESS. I THINK THIS WILL BE A MAJOR CANDLE, A MAJOR LIGHT ON SOLVING THE PROBLEMS OF THE MOOSE RIVER. AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO QUIT WORRYING ABOUT THE GRANT FOR THE STUDY. GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. YOU'RE ALREADY RUNNING SHORT OF TIME CONSIDERING WHAT THE ENGINEER HAS TOLD US. AND THEN LIKE THE MAYOR SAYS, WE KNOW IT CAN BE DONE. THEN START LOOKING FOR WHATEVER FUNDS WE CAN GET TO HELP WITH THE MAJOR EXPENSE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE RENOVATING THAT SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT TO MEET THE NEW STANDARDS WE'RE GOING TO BE SADDLED WITH AND GETTING THIS SYSTEM INTO OPERATION. SO WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN TO CLEAN UP THE RIVER. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR RALEIGH OR DURHAM TO DO IT. AND I THINK WE ALL GO AHEAD AND PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND WAITED LONG ENOUGH FOR TWO YEARS. OKAY. LET ME REPEAT ALSO. AND, UH, THAT IS NOT JUST ROBERT, SO WE CAN HAVE BRAGGING RIGHTS. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET THINGS TO WORK IS BY US DOING IT, JUST LIKE THE WETTERS MIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT I ALLUDED TO, IN FACT, I'VE HEARD THE RIVERKEEPER SAY A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, QUITE SURPRISINGLY TO ME THAT NOTHING EVER REALLY HAPPENED IN REVEREND HILL. WE HAD THE MEETING IN NEWBURN THAT TIME AND GOT ALL THE PEOPLE TOGETHER UNDER ONE ROOF THAT WAS KIND OF SURPRISED. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING, BUT IT JUST STARTED A NEW, WELL, MAYBE IT'S GOT TO START A NEW ONE AGAIN. AND IF I THOUGHT BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION, THAT IF WE DID THIS, THAT WE'D BE THE ONLY ONES DOING IT. THAT'D BE THE END OF IT. THAT'D BE ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. BUT THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MATTER IS IT IS THE SMALLEST, BASICALLY THE SMALLEST CITY. IF THEY CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, IF THEY ARE WILLING TO DO SOMETHING TO STAY IN THAT GAP, THEN HOW IN THE WORLD CAN THE OTHER ONES NOT DO ANYTHING IT'S MUCH BETTER, MUCH BETTER OFF THAN WE ARE. IF WE CAN LEVERAGE THAT. AND THEN WE CAN FIX THE WHOLE RIVER. I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF US, WE ARE ALL YOU'VE BEEN COMMITTED TO THIS PROJECT CAUSE WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH OUR, REMEMBER IT'S AFFECTING OUR CITY. HOWEVER, I DO FEEL THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE COMMITTED, WE NEED TO BE COMMITTED TOTALLY THE ENTIRE BOARD, AT LEAST GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ALL THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. AND IN VIEW OF THE FACT THAT, UM, ALL THE OTHERS MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SYSTEM OF DOING THIS PROMPT, THAT THAT THEIR TIME IS NOT A PROBLEM. THEN MAYBE WE CAN TAKE A MINUTE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE OPTIONS FOR FUNDING. WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED OURSELVES TOTALS TO CLEANING UP THE RIVER. WE PERSONALLY THINK THAT THIS WAS A GOOD TIP. AND THEN IN MY OPINION IS VERY UNIQUE IN IT'S EXCITED AND THINKING THAT WE COULD STOP THE POSITIVE WE HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION HERE BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, BUT AFTER THE FACT THAT SORT OF LIKE TOO LATE FOR CERTAIN QUESTIONS. AND IF WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY YET TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST OPEN THE TALK ABOUT IT, EXCUSE ME. [00:55:01] AND THERE'S NOT TOO HIGH. THERE MAY BE. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND NOW NOT A WHOLE LONG TIME, BUT JUST SO WE CAN ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT ATTEMPTS WE'RE MAKING. AND IT'S LIKE MAKING A STEP, THE STEP, THE SOLID STEP. NOW, IF WE WERE TO GO TONIGHT, SO I'M COMMITTED, I'M READY. AND THEN SOMEONE WHO SITTING BESIDE ME WHO SHARED THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS EFFORT, WHO'S NOT QUITE CERTAIN. THEN WE EITHER FALL OR GAS KIND OF THING IN THE SIDE OF DILUTES THE EFFORT. SO IF IT MEANS THAT WE TAKE TIME TO UNDERSTAND AND ALL OF US UNDERSTAND THAT HAVE PURSUED ALL OTHER AVENUES OF LOOKING AT THE SITUATION, THEN THE DUDE THAT, I MEAN, DID WE GET TO A WORK SESSION IT'S OVER, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN SIT DOWN AND REALLY TALK. THEN WE COULD TITLE THE SITUATION UNTIL WORK SESSION. YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING AND IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH. I THINK THEY, EVEN IF IT MEANS THAT WE HAVE A MEETING TO DISCUSS JUST THIS ISSUE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONCERN, LIKE BE CONCERNED LIKE WHAT MRS. HAAS HAS, HOW CONCERNS WE'VE GOT THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE CAN WE KNOW WHAT NOT UNTIL HE IS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME. WE WANT EVERYBODY TO, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF US ON THE BOARD WHO WERE MAKING THE DECISION TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. SO I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE WHY ANOTHER DAY OR TWO, BUT, BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MS. LEE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT ROB IS SAYING, BUT WE'RE ROBERT BASICALLY WANTS TO POSTPONE POSTS WHEN A COUNSELOR AT A HOLD IT OFF BECAUSE OF THE MONTHS YOUR STATEMENT IS COMING FROM, IS THERE ONE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE PLANNING TO DO? AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN COMMITTED. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S GROUPS TO THAT. THE BIG PROMPT TONIGHT IS ROBERT'S DISAGREEMENT IS WHERE THE MONEY IS, RIGHT? WELL, I HAVE, I HAVE TWO GRILLS, DISAGREEMENT FUNDING SOURCE, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD PURSUE AN EFFORT LIKE THIS ON OUR OWN. AND, UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S EVEN FEASIBLE IF NONE OF THE OTHER CITIES ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP SAVE THE NEWS. ALSO IN MY REASON IS THIS, THE HISTORY OF THIS TOWN IS THAT WE HAVE BUILT THE REGION. THIS WHOLE REGION WAS BUILT. BOMB WAS BUILT RATHER OFF THE BACKBONE OF THE TAX DOLLARS OF NEWBURN RESIDENTS. AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE AIRPORT WAS NEW BERN, CRAVEN COUNTY. NONE OF THESE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES CONTRIBUTED TO THAT EFFORT WE PAID FOR OUT OF NEWBURN TAX DOLLARS. AS A RESULT, YOU GOT TOWNS LIKE TRENT, WHERE THEY INCORPORATE KEEP AN ARTIFICIALLY LOW TAX BASE. IT'S ALWAYS NEW BERN AND CRAVEN ACCOUNT, A LIBRARY, 50% NEWBURN, 50% CRAVEN COUNTY. I MEAN, AND NOBODY CARES ABOUT US. THESE COUNTY FOLKS. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US. IN FACT, THEY WOULD LAUGH. YEAH. WE LIKE SPENDING NEW BURNS DOLLARS. SO WE NEED SOME HELP. WE CAN'T KEEP PURSUING THESE PROJECTS. SINGLE-HANDEDLY WE NEED SOME HELP. I MEAN, TH THE NEUSE RIVER DOESN'T BELONG TO NEWBURN. THE NEUSE RIVER BELONGS TO THE CITIZENS OF THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA. IT'S NO SENSE IN US PURSUING THE OBJECTIVE OF SPENDING MONEY, TRYING TO SAVE THE NEWS, NOBODY'S GOING TO JOIN WITH US. NO SENSE IN US DOING THIS. AND THEN GLOBAL TRANSPORT COMES UP AND THEM KILL SOME MISMATCHES IS WASTE TREATMENT PLANT, AND CONTINUE TO DUMP RAW SEWAGE IN THE NEWS, ALL THE, BUT IS TAKING OUR SEWAGE OUT AND HELPING THEM TO DUMP MORE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MANAGING AND MANAGING. IT'S NOT ASSESSING US MANAGING OUR STORE AND NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER OBLIGATIONS. WE NEED SOME HELP. ROBIN. I, I TAKE YOUR HONOR. THERE WAS NOT A SANDWICH TO SAY, BUT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR ARGUMENT TO ME, YOUR ARGUMENT SHOULD HAVE COME UP TWO YEARS AGO. NO, IT SHOULD COME UP WITH HIS TINY DAMN MONEY. TWO YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T HAVE AGO WHEN THERE WAS NO MONEY BEING PROPOSED TO BE SPENT. WE PAID $10 FOR A $2 MILLION OPTION . BUT NOW ON A PIECE OF PRIME THAT YOU KNEW YOU HAD SPENT SOME MONEY SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, YOU, I DID THE HERE, HERE'S THE OPTIONS. WE GOT THE NIGHT MODE ON IT, AND WE CAN PUT IT OFF FOR MORE TIME TO DO WHATEVER IT IS THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO. AND IF WE PUT IT OFF, THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW LONG, WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A TRADE-OFF. AND THAT IS TO DO THE STUDY AND DO IT PROPERLY BY DEFINITION TAKES TIME. TIME IS RUNNING THROUGH OUR GLASS. SO THE [01:00:01] MORE TIME THAT WE PUT IN AND PONDERING THE ISSUE, THE LAST TIME THEY'VE GOT TO DO US A GOOD JOB IN FIGURING OUT WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE. SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE EITHER A, WE VOTE ON IT TONIGHT. WELL, IF Y'ALL WANT TO TABLE IT TO THE WORK SESSION, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE SCHEDULE AND SCHEDULE ONE NEXT WEEK, UH, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND KICK IT AROUND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO ON IT. BUT I SUGGEST THAT WE VOTE ON IT SOON. MR. MAYOR, WE'RE GOING TO KILL IT. NOT HAVING ME NOT HAVING ANY IDEA WHAT WE WERE GOING TO SORT OF WORK SESSION OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE GRANT UNDERSTANDING. HE HAS ANOTHER QUESTION I WOULD STILL LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WRITTEN. MY QUESTION IS, UH, UM, STUDY ITSELF ON MY QUARRY IS 180 DAYS. AND ON PAGE 26 AND YOUR PROPOSAL, YOU SAY A REPORT WILL BE PREPARED AND SUBMITTED WITHIN 180 DAYS, FOLLOWING A WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION. WHY ONLY ONE, WHY NOT GIVE US PERIODIC PROGRESS REPORTS AND TELL US, HEY, WE'VE DONE A GREAT THING GOING INTO WHERE YOU'RE MEETING ALL OF OUR EXPECTED CRITERIA TILL I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BOARD APPROVAL THAT WE GET WRITTEN REPORT SAY 30 DAYS, 90 DAYS, WHATEVER. PLUS, I MEAN, YOU'RE SUBMITTING YOUR WRITTEN WRITTEN INVOICES EACH MONTH. I DON'T REQUIRE YOU TO GIVE ME A REPORT EVERY MONTH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO WAIT 180 DAYS TO FIND OUT WHAT'S THAT PROBLEM. I WANT TO KNOW. UH, AS SOON AS YOU GET IN THE GROUND WATER, WHAT YOU FOUND IS THAT, IS THAT A REASONABLE REQUEST THAT WE DID PERIODIC REPORTS AT A PRESCRIBED TIME THAT MR. MUSE CAN, WHEN YOU CAN BRING IT TO THE BOARD, THEY'LL LET US KNOW AND HOW WELL WE'RE DOING A REASONABLE REQUEST WHEN I COME THROUGH TO THE SEWER, OR I CAN ALSO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS DRILLING 12 WELLS AND BEGIN PUMPING THOSE WELLS. AND UNTIL ALL THE WELLS ARE IN OPERATION AND WE'LL BEGIN PUMPING AND FIND OUT WHAT THE DATA SAID, WE'RE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING AT ALL IN THE COURT. HYDROGEOLOGIST WILL PUT TOGETHER A REPORT. THAT REPORT WILL THEN TELL US HOW WATER FLOWS ON THE GROUND. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE REPORT IS TO CARRY TO THE STAGE, TO GIVE THEM PRELIMINARY INFORMATION. AT WHICH POINT IN TIME, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OKAY, THIS ALL LOOKS FINE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SEE THIS STUDY, THIS STUDY, AND THIS STUDY DONE. THIS IS JUST THE VERY FIRST STEP TO ASSIMILATE THE GROUNDWATER MOVEMENT AND DETERMINE BETTER THAN WHAT WE JUST HAVE RIGHT NOW. WE'VE ONLY JUST USED PUMPING DATA FROM THE QUARRY ITSELF TO DETERMINE HOW THE WATER MOVES. THIS WILL TELL US EXACTLY HOW EACH HOLE IN THE GROUND OVER THERE. THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEEP HOLES, HOW THEY INTER INTER REACT, HOW THEY INTERFACE, HOW THE GROUND IN BETWEEN THE TWO FORESTS ALLOW WATER TO PASS THROUGH. AND THAT WILL ALL BE DONE BY ONE JOHN DR. RICHARD SCHOOL AT ECE. UM, THAT WILL THEN TELL US WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AS FAR AS THE GROUND WATER SIMULATION, YOU KNOW, WITHIN WILL GIVE US A MODEL THAT WILL TAKE YOU THE STAKES. OKAY? THIS IS THE MODEL. THIS IS HOW THE WATER FLOWS. I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN COME TO YOU AND TELL YOU WE'VE DRILLED FOUR WELLS OR WHATEVER, AND I CAN KEEP YOU UPDATED ON PROGRESS OF THE PROJECT. WHAT I WOULD WANT IS SINCE MR. GOULD IS, UM, MONITORING OR DIRECTING THE STUDY, AND YOU CAN COME AND GIVE US A REPORT, BUT I WOULD BE HESITANT TO SAY, WE WANT TO WAIT 180 DAYS UNTIL IT'S OVER TO GET A REPORT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REPORT BEING JOINING US A PROJECT STATUS REPORT SAYING WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED EIGHT DOWN AN AND THE R AND THEN THE REST OF THEM. OH, THE SPREADSHEET EXHIBIT BEING BACK IN THE CONTRACT, WE HAVE INCLUDED A SET OF TASKS. AND ONE OF THE TASKS IS MEETING THE DOLLAR. AND WE GOT A TOTAL OF 32 HOURS MEETINGS WITH THE OWNERS OF THAT. THAT'S AT LEAST THREE, FOUR DAYS OF COMING DOWN AND MEETING WITH PRESENTING TO YOU, AS YOU ALSO HAVE POINT, WELL, MAYBE THE STATE. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING AS THEY WERE TO DO A 30% OF THE 70%. SO WE DON'T GET FINISHED. AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU GET THAT AS A LONG TERM IN THERE? AND WHEN I READ IT, I SAID, WELL, AT THE END, THERE WAS THIS REPORT AT THE END OF THE 180 DAYS. I JUST WANT SOMETHING. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT THAT LONG TO GET OUR PROGRESS REPORTS. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEM IN A MORE FINE PERIODIC BASIS. NOT [01:05:01] MORE THAN 60 DAYS FROM THE BEGINNING. I'LL INCORPORATE THAT IN MY MOTION TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. MY SELF TO MOTION IS THAT WE ARE PURSUED STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS TO, UH, SUBSIDIZE THIS STUDY. THAT'S MY MOTION AFTER WE, I MEAN, NOW, BEFORE WE EX, BEFORE WE EXECUTE THIS CONTRACT, BECAUSE ONCE WE EXECUTE THIS CONTRACT, WE'RE OBLIGATED, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE GET GRANT MONEY OR NOT, IT'S A DONE DEAL. AND I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET GRANT MONEY AND POOR STUDY. ONCE YOU'VE ALREADY EXECUTED THE CONTRACT, THEY KNOW YOU GOT THE MONEY BECAUSE YOU EXECUTED THE CONTRACT. WELL, I HEAR SLACK SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT AIN'T GOING TO WORK. I HAVEN'T HEARD A SECOND TO DO THE ROBERTS SUBSTITUTE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE TO THE SUBSTITUTE. I STOPPED TO MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS ISSUE UNTIL NEXT WORK SESSION WHERE WE CAN SECOND. ALRIGHT, BUT THAT'D BE, MAY BE NEXT WEEK, WHICH IS ON SCHEDULE, CORRECT? THAT MEANS THAT I HAVE TO BE ONE SCHEDULE WORK SESSION, AND THE NEXT WORK SESSION WOULD BE NEXT MONTH. RIGHT. WE VOTED TO APPROVE THIS. IT'S GOING TO BE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK. THAT'D BE WE SCHEDULED MY LAST ONE. THAT'S IT. THAT WOULD BE A MOTION NOW, GSA TO TABLE IT TONIGHT TO SCHEDULE WORK SESSION FOR NEXT WEEK TO DISCUSS THIS THING. THAT WOULD BE WHAT DAY? ON A MONDAY? TUESDAY, MONDAY. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. DISCUSSION. YEAH. COOL. IT GIVES HIM THE REST OF THE WEEK TO PURSUE, TO LOOK INTO WHATEVER COULD POSSIBLY BE AVAILABLE. LOOK INTO SOME GRANT MONEY IN THE INTERIM. WELL, I HEAR A SLACK. IT LET'S GO. WHO'S YOUR SECOND AT HERS. OKAY. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO. ALL RIGHT. CALL THE ROLE. I GUESS WE NEED TO CALL THEM. YEAH, WE NEED TO CALL THE ROLL ON THAT. YES. YES. YES. WELL, AT THIS POINT IT DOESN'T MATTER. WELL, IT'S RECORD IN HIS, HIS HEADS OR TAILS. WELL, IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT MONDAY, WE'LL WAIT. IF THAT MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY. YES, BUT NO, FOR THE NEXT MONTH, MAY I MAKE ONE COMMENT? I HANDLED THE NEGOTIATION TIMEFRAME ON THIS OPTION. AND INITIALLY MARTIN MARIETTA WANTED FOR LENDERS THAT MIGHT HAVE SEVERAL MONTHS AND TIME AFTER DISCUSSION AND DAVID AND OTHER STAFF BILL TALKED HIM INTO THE 12 MONTHS, 12 MONTHS RUNNING FROM JUNE, WHICH IS THE DATE OF THE CONTRACT. HE WAS NOT IN THE GROUP IN THE CITY UNTIL I THINK IN JULY LAST, ALMOST A MONTH FOR WHEN THE CREW FOR THE CITY. SO TIME IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU DON'T WANT TO RUSH SCIENTIST, THE CUMULATING PERIOD. CAUSE LATER YOU'D BE LUCKY TO GET THE DATA YOU NEED IN SIX MONTHS. THAT'S NOT A LONG TIME FOR DOING A STUDY, BUT MONDAY PLEASE SCHEDULE THE WORK SESSION TO MAKE SURE THIS THING IS HAMMERED OUT MONDAY. THEY NEED TO TALK THE CAR AND THE, AND THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL FOLKS ABOUT THESE GRANTS, WHATEVER SEVEN 30, I GUESS. WELL, SISTERS, IT MIGHT BE, NAH, IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. DO YOU WANT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? BUT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. WHAT HAVE WE GOT LEFT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'VE LOST TRACK NOW, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GO TO NUMBER NUMBER 12. YEAH, 12 AND 13. OKAY. 12 AND 13. WHO POOLED LOANS ARE THERE AT THE REQUEST OF MR. WARREN? WE ALL GO IN LINCOLN FOR GRANTS. [01:10:02] YOU PUT THE PAPERWORK. THEY PULLED 12 AND 13 JILLIAN. I PULLED ON RANDOM REQUEST. MR. WARD, SOME PAPERWORK HE WANTED TO GET OUT TO US FIRST. ONE'S EXHIBIT A, THE FIRST ONE, JUST ATTACHED EXHIBIT A TO THE RESOLUTION AND CITY FINANCE, IDENTIFYING SEVERAL PROPERTIES WITH EACH. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE APPROVED. NUMBER 12, THE RESOLUTION, THE RESOLUTION, THE RESOLUTION NUMBER 12 SECONDS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? CALL THE ROAD PLEASE. MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. YES. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 13, NUMBER 13. WHEN THE REDRAFT AND THE RESOLUTION THAT HAD BEEN FOR FED BY FRACTURE, PUTTING IT IN A DIFFERENT, LIKE, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 13. SECOND. FURTHER ABOUT ONE ROLL PLEASE. MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. OKAY. APARTMENTS, MR. MADDEN LEE, PLEASE. EXCUSE. YEAH. MAY I MAKE A MOTION WHERE YOU APPLAUD MARVIN MILLER NEXT TO THE, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. OPPOSED. OKAY. THIS LINE IS MR. MAN, SIR. I HAVE ONE THING BACK DURING THE BUDGET AND WORK SESSIONS BACK IN MAY A TALK STANDING, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME IN AND TOLD US ABOUT THEIR SAFE HAVEN HOUSE OVER ON BLOOMFIELD STREET, WHICH HAD A KITCHEN, BUT NO SAME. AND I'M HAVING TO REPORT THAT AS WELL. TODAY THEY HAVE A SINK, HOT AND COLD RUNNING WATER AT THAT TIME, BEAUTIFUL COUNTER IN THEIR KITCHEN. AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY, IT WAS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PEOPLE THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THIS EFFORTS, MR. JD WILLIAMS AND THE TO BURN BUILDING SUPPLY COMPANY, DOMAIN, THE SINK AND THE FAUCET. MR. BRIAN DAVIS, THE COUNTERTOP INSTALLED THE COUNTERTOP AND SPECIAL. THANKS TO MR. HAYNES, SPENCE DISPENSE PLYING COMPANY FOR INSTALLING THE SAME, GETTING ALL THE PLUMBING WORK DONE AND GETTING OUT OF THE BUILDING AND GETTING EVERYTHING CONNECTED TO BRING THE HOT AND COLD RUNNING WATER IN THE KITCHEN. ALL OF THIS WAS DONE AT NO COST TO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE PICTURES OF THE BEFORE AND AFTER TO INCLUDE THE HOT RUNNING WATER. AND WE'RE NOT, NO, AS YOU SAID, WE AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET. THERE YOU GO. DOES THAT. THAT'S HOW WE COME AT YOU. YOU HAVE THE, OR YOU GOT SOME, OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T PULL THIS ISSUE FROM THE AGENDA AND WE GOT TO THE GREEN PARK TERRACE APARTMENTS WITH THOSE NEW, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ALWAYS, YOU HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE NEWSPAPER COMMITTED GOVERNMENT CORPORATION WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RENOVATION ON THE GREEN PARK TERRACE AND THE DIFFERENCES IT HAD MADE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS IN THE BEFORE THE GUN IS RENOVATIONS, BUT NOW IT'S LOOKING VERY GOOD. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DAY SOON WHERE EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. NOW THIS IS WHAT I CONSIDER SUCCESS. THIS IS REALLY GREAT. I LIKE TO COMMIT THE STAFF OR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE SO FAR AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS PROJECT BECOMES A REALITY. THIS IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. AND ADDING IN THE HOUSING IN THE AREA OF GREEN COCKTAILS, WE USED TO HAVE A BIG PROBLEM OVER THERE. NOW I BELIEVE THAT SYDNEY CITIZENS ARE GOING TO HAVE A VERY COMFORTABLE PLACE TO LIVE. OKAY. ALSO A MOVE THAT I LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CLOSING OF WHOSE AVENUE IS ONE OF THE STREETS, ALL OF THEM, SUNNYSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE REQUESTED TO CLOSE INTO THE STREET BEHIND THEIR HOUSE, A PORTION OF THIS, THE PORTION BEHIND [01:15:01] WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE THERE THE LAST RUN INTO THE BACKYARDS AND YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO, WHEN SOME OF YOUR GUYS' ANCESTORS LAID OUT THE STREET, YOU GOT THE STREET AND THE PROPERTY OFF. AND THE PEOPLE WHO DID KNOW NO PEOPLE NEEDS TO BE ACADEMIC SPAN, IT'D BE IN THE STREET, BUT ISN'T THAT A USER WAS REQUESTING IS THAT WE CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. AND THE MR. WALTER WOULD, AT THAT TIME, ADVISE US AS TO THE GALLERIES. IF YOU WOULD GET A SECOND MOTION TO, WE NEED TO CALL A ROW ON THAT, CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. UM, I GOT A CALL LAST NIGHT FROM YOUR LADY MISS. OKAY. THE LADY WHO HAD THE CONCERN ABOUT THE CHILDREN CROSSING THE STREET OVER TO, UH, UH, HIGH SCHOOL. AND NOW IT'S COME TO DOG ONCE AGAIN. AND SHE HAS THIS CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHILDREN CROSSING. PLUS I REALIZED THAT THAT IS NOT IN THE FILM, BUT SHE SEEMS TO LIKE TO RELATE TO HIM. AND WHAT CAN I SAY? UM, SHE WOULD, SHE HAD A CONCERN ABOUT A RESPONSE TO HER REQUEST, AND I TOLD THAT I WOULD BRING IT UP TONIGHT. AND THAT WAS THAT SHE FELT THAT WE DIDN'T RESPOND TO HER ADEQUATELY. SHE HAD ASKED FOR CROSS GUARD, SAME THING. SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD CONTACT THIS, CAN SASA AND HAVE HER TO COME MEET WITH YOU. SHE SAID, SHE HADN'T THAT MET WITH YOU. SHE SAID THE MASSIVE. THEN YOU GO TO SEATED TO MEET WITH THEM. YOU DIDN'T DO THAT. THE MAYOR, RIGHT. GET SOME OTHERS TO SEE THAT THEY MET WITH HER THIS IS NOT A, THAT WASN'T ON A SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD ISSUE. AND THAT WOULD BE THE POLICE. THAT WOULD BE OKAY. WELL, I LIKE VERY MUCH, IF YOU CONTACT MS. CASA AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE, SHE'S ALREADY TALKING WITH A PARTNER, TRANSPORTATION, THE GOVERNOR AND OTHERS, BECAUSE SHE'S VERY CONCERNED. SHE'LL CALL YOU AS WELL. ONE OTHER THING, AND I'LL BE FINISHED. AND I'VE BEEN TO THE GIRL I'M ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR SOME NEWS, FROM A COUNCIL WITH GOVERNMENTS AND NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WE HAVE CONSULTANTS TO WRITE GRANTS AND PROPOSALS LOOSE. WE HAVE A COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF A GENTLEMAN, ME, CAUSE TRYING TO MAKE A BACK. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE VERY GOOD. THEY SAID WE WERE VERY GOOD AT PROPOSAL WRITING AND FINDING MONEY. SO I'D LIKE FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE, UM, AND WE GET IT AT A BETTER PRICE. SO WHEN WE HAVE PROPOSALS OR STUDIES THAT WE NEED TO BE DONE OR GRANTS THAT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN OUTSIDE OF OUR STAFF, WHEN I TOLD THEM THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY A GOOD, HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONSULT WITH THEM AND TAP INTO THE RESOURCES, GET OFF. WELL, THEY GET FEDERAL FUNDS TO DO THESE KINDS OF THINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE US TO CONSIDER THIS. WE HAVE A COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT WHERE WE HAVE STUDIES TO BE DONE. OKAY. OKAY. I SEE. UH, AS LONG AS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS ROOF AVENUE THING, CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT NORTH HILLS DRIVE ISSUE? IS THAT THE NAME OF THE STREET? YEAH. I TRIED TO THINK OF IT AND SAID NONE. AND I WAS GOING TO DO THAT SAME ONE. I HAD IT DONE BY THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'S IT? MY HEAVENLY DAYS. WELL, LET'S SEE. WHAT IS NUMBER 18? I CAN'T READ IT. CAUSE SOMEBODY . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.