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LET'S SEE, WE'LL OPEN WITH A PRAYER BY ELDER DARYL, THOMAS OF THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN A WORD OF PRAYER.
I COME TO YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
LORD, WE COME TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
WE COME TO YOU, THANKING YOU FOR ALL THE GOOD THINGS YOU HAVE DONE FOR US.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENTS.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LONG SUFFERING AND MOST OF OUR LOBBY.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE THERE.
LORD, WE INVITE YOU TO THIS MIDDLE TONIGHT, WHERE SHOULD I SEND FORTH YOUR 19 IN THE NAME OF JESUS LORD, WE ASK YOU TO BE IN THE MIDST OF THE AGENDA AND HEAR WHAT THE PEOPLE HAD TO SAY ON THEIR HEART.
DEAR LORD, LORD, WE ASK YOU TO MOVE BY YOUR SPIRIT IN AND OUT OF NEW BERN.
WE BIND UP THAT SPIRIT OF DRUGS AND ALCOHOL ABUSE.
WE BIND UP THAT SPIRIT OF CRIME.
WE ACTUALLY LOOKED DOWN UPON ALL THE OFFICIALS AND THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS.
LORD, WE ASK YOU TO JUST LOOK DOWN UPON THE OFFICIALS WHO ARE MAKING THE DECISIONS IN THE NAME OF JESUS.
LORD, WE ASK YOU TO HAVE THE MAINTAIN THAT SPIRIT OF INTEGRITY AT A MAKE DECISION FOR THE CITY.
LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR GIVING AIR TO THIS PLAYER AND WE PLACED THIS ENTIRE MEETING INTO THEIR LOVING HANDS IN JESUS NAME.
THE, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
STEVE HICKS IS HERE TONIGHT TO MAKE A LITTLE SHORT PLEA.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE HIM A THANK YOU, MR. MY NAME IS STEVE HICKS NOW PRESIDENT NIBIN AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
UH, I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE NUBA CHAMBER AND ALSO THE NEUSE RIVER FOUNDATION AND A NUMBER OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE JOINED THE GALA TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A APPLICATION TO BE DESIGNATED AS AN AMERICAN HERITAGE RIVER IN FEBRUARY 4TH, 1997 IN HIS STATE OF UNION ADDRESS.
PRESIDENT CLINTON SAID TONIGHT, I NOW SAID THIS YEAR, I WILL DESIGNATE 10 AMERICAN HERITAGE RIVERS TO HELP COMMUNITIES ALONGSIDE THEM, REVITALIZE THEIR WATERFRONTS AND CLEAN UP POLLUTION.
THE AMERICAN HERITAGE RIVER PROCESS IS ONE THAT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO US BY ROGER STEVENSON OF THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
UH, MAYOR BAYLESS WAS AT THAT MEETING ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER COMMUNITY LEADERS.
AND BASICALLY THE, UH, INITIATIVE WILL DESIGNATE 10 RIVERS, UH, WITHIN A YEAR, UH, STARTING IN 1998.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO DESIGNATE RIVERS MUCH LIKE THE ALL-AMERICAN CITY, UH, DESIGNATION THAT THIS CITY HAS BEEN SO FORTUNATE TO RECEIVE.
UH, EACH COMMUNITY CAN NOMINATE A WHOLE RIVER OR A STRETCH OF THE RIVER.
AND IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE CHOSEN TO, UH, NOMINATE WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE LORD NEUSE ESTUARY, WHICH IS THAT BODY OF THE WATER OF THE NEUSE RIVER FROM STREETS, FERRY DOWN, UH, TO BASICALLY HAVE LOCKED OR A UNIT AREA.
UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THAT RIVER IS, HAS BEEN STRESSED FOR SOME TIME.
AND YOU ALL HAVE MANY PROJECTS UNDERWAY TO TRY TO, TO CREATE A BETTER PLACE AND IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY OF THE RIVER.
WHAT THE AMERICAN HERITAGE RIVER PROJECT DOES VERY QUICKLY IS THAT IT, UH, APPOINTS A NAVIGATOR THAT WILL WORK WITH INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY SUCH AS OURS, UH, COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND STATE GOVERNMENTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE EXISTING RESOURCES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE IN COOPERATION
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WITH THE EFFORTS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.AND THIS COULD BE A TREMENDOUS ADVANTAGE TO US AS WE BEGAN TO DO THINGS LIKE REMOVE WASTE TREATMENT DISCHARGED FROM THE RIVER AS THE CITY OF NEWBURN IS INTENDING TO DO, UH, TO, UH, HELP CLEAN UP BROWNFIELD AREAS.
IF WE HAVE MANY PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, SOME I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, MIKE AVERY IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO DESIGNATE PARTICULAR AREAS SUCH AS THE RIVERSIDE AREA.
UH, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT, UH, ARE INITIATIVES THAT ARE UNDERWAY OR, OR LIKE THE WALT BELLAMY DRIVE PROJECT FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND THE PARK.
THERE, THAT'S A, THAT'S A RIVER PROJECT THAT COULD VERY WELL QUALIFY FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS, ALL THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE CONNECTED, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH THE RIVER, UH, ALONG WITH PAMELA COOK COUNTY, THE CITY OF HAVELOCK AND CRAVEN COUNTY, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, TO, UH, PUT GALA THIS RESOLUTION.
UH, WE FEEL VERY GOOD ABOUT IT.
UH, WE'VE GOT SOME FANTASTIC PROJECTS THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, WE'VE GOTTEN SUPPORT, UH, FROM THE, UH, ALDERMAN DOWN AT, I MEAN, FROM THE COMMISSIONERS DOWN AT HAVE LOT, UH, FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OVER IN PAMLICO COUNTY, WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT NIGHT AND I HOPE THERE'S A RESOLUTION THERE IN FRONT OF YOU ASKING FOR THAT SUPPORT.
YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS, ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS.
THE INTERESTING PART I MIGHT ADD IF I REMEMBER ALL THE DISCUSSION, WAS IT ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THE RIVER WOULD BE CHOSEN A RIVER TO BE CHOSEN WOULD BE BY A DEMONSTRATION AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT? WE CERTAINLY HAVE THAT IN OUR AREA BECAUSE WE WERE VERY SERIOUS IN THIS WHOLE AREA ABOUT OUR, WHATEVER WE ALL NOTICED IS I MENTIONED THAT DAY, WE'D BEEN ON 60 MINUTES IN 2020 AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
AND I JUST SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE ONE DAY REALIZE THAT THEY NEED TO FILL SOME TIME WITH A STORY.
PROBABLY NOW SAY, LET'S GO BACK DOWN IN THE NEVEN NEWSROOM AREA AND SEE WHAT THESE PEOPLE DID ABOUT ALL THESE PROBLEMS. AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP US OUT WITH SOME OF THE TAX MONEY.
WE SEND THAT AWAY AND GET SOMEONE IT COMING BACK THIS WAY, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT ONE WAY.
AND WE GOT SOME FOLKS WORKING ON IT.
SO STEVE'S ASKING THAT WE APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION, MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS WORKED WITH HIM QUITE CLOSELY ON THIS, UH, MRS. MICHELLE COLLINS, WHO IS SITTING IN THE FRONT ROW HERE.
AND I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE APPROVAL OF THIS BECAUSE, UH, I WOULD LIKE WHEN I'M NO LONGER HERE TO KNOW, TO, TO HAVE DONE A LITTLE SOMETHING TO MAKE THIS RIVER A LITTLE BETTER FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS YOUNG WOMAN AND HER DAUGHTER, HANNAH, THIS IS MY DAUGHTER AND HANNAH IS MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND THEY CARE ABOUT THE RIVER.
AND WHEN, UH, WHEN YOU'RE READY TO ACCEPT A MOTION, I'LL BE GLAD TO OFFER ONE.
YOU CAN FIGHT, MOVE THAT THE RESOLUTION WILL BE APPROVED TO BE ADOPTED.
PART OF THE DISCUSSION MAY CALL A ROAD.
UM, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
YOU ARE NEW JUST AS SOON AS THE ELECTION WAS OVER THE, I GET IT STRAIGHT AS IT WENT AND CALL IT A ROLL, DON'T EVEN NEED IT.
NEXT THING IS THE SEWER UPDATE BY HIS DAUGHTER WAS SICK.
IN CASE ANYBODY HASN'T NOTICED SUN JOURNALISTS NOTIFIED EVERY TIME AS IT SPILLS, NO MATTER HOW TINY.
AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT THE FACTS AND FIGURES THE DAVID PRESENTS.
EVERYBODY OUGHT TO BE AWARE OF ANY SPILL THAT I MIGHT INTERJECT.
ONE THING ON THE SEWER REPORT THAT JUST ADVISED THE BOARD ON THE STUDY OF THE QUARRY.
UH, THE WHALES HAVE ALL BEEN DONE THAT WE CONTRACTED FOR, AND THE RESULTS OF THOSE ARE, ARE STILL BEING TABULATED, BUT THEY CAME BACK AND FELT LIKE THEY NEEDED TO DO TWO MORE WELLS.
THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE QUARRY SITE AND THE PRESENCE, UH, MARTIN MARIETTA QUARRY, TO SEE WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP THERE MIGHT BE A GROUNDWATER FLOW BETWEEN THOSE TWO SITES.
AND I HAVE GONE AHEAD AND AUTHORIZED HIM TO, UH, DO THOSE TWO WELLS AND TO DO THOSE TESTS ALSO THINK THAT THE ADDITIONAL COST IS ABOUT $7,200, BUT IT WAS NECESSARY TO GET A GOOD RESULT OFF THIS THING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH
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IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ABOUT ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER CLOSING, BRINGING PARK TERRACE AND GREEN PARK COURT STREETS, UH, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT INITIATED THIS REQUEST AS FAR OUR RENOVATION AND CONVERSION OF GREEN PARK TERRACE INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE ELDERLY.THE DRIVING REASON BEHIND THE REQUEST IS THE EXISTING INFORMAL PARKING PATTERN.
NOW THERE, WHICH IS TO HAVE PEOPLE BACK DIRECTLY INTO THE STREET IS INCONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC STREETS.
SO BY CLOSING THE STREETS, WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO BASICALLY FORMALIZE THE EXISTING PARKING PATTERN.
UM, IT ALSO HAS THE ADDED BENEFIT OF ALLOWING THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY GREATER CONTROL OVER THE SIDE, BY NOT HAVING A PUBLIC STREET THROUGH, WHICH IS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, JUST TWO SMALL CUL-DE-SACS, THEY CAN BETTER POLICE THE SITE WHEN YOU POST NO TRESPASSING SIGNS.
AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MUCH MORE SECURE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE ELDERLY WE HAVE HERE THAT WE CLOSED HERE IN A SEC.
SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE JOEL MACARTHUR AND NOBODY ELSE IS HERE AND THEY MOVED AND SECONDED THAT YOU PLAY AS A PUBLIC HEARING ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
SAY, NO, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT IT ONE SEC.
SO WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT OPPOSITION CALL.
NEXT THING IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO A MAN DESIGNING CLASSIFICATION OF A 1.68 ACRE LOT LOCATED AT 203 GLEN BURNIE DRIVE FROM OUR TAM RESIDENTIAL TO C3 COMMERCIALS.
AND I'M HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF JOHN THOMAS AND THOMAS ENGINEERING, UH, TO ASK THAT YOU REZONE, UH, THEIR PIECE OF PROPERTY ON GLEN BURNIE.
UM, THE, UH, PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R 10 AND, UH, HAVE THE PROPERTIES BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL USE, UH, SIMILAR TO C3 FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS AND, UH, THE THOMAS'S ASS, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT THEY REZONED THE PROPERTY TO C3, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN EXPAND THEIR BUSINESSES.
THERE ARE TWO BUSINESSES THERE, UH, UH, THOMAS ENGINEERING, WHICH HAS BEEN THERE, UH, FIVE OR SIX YEARS AND LR THOMAS AND SONS, WHICH HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE EARLY SIXTIES, UH, THE USE, UH, UH, IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING USE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS.
IT'S ALSO COME WITH, UH, OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE OAKS ROAD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, UH, ARE ZONED, UH, C3 C5, UH, AS EITHER ART OR EVEN C4 AND, UH, INDUSTRIAL USES OF, OF ONE, ONE AND ONE, TWO, UH, I HAVE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, UH, COPIES OF THE MAP OF FACT IN THE APPROACH AND HANDY'S UP I AM CHARGED.
SO THIS FIRST CHART SHOWS THE PROPERTY IN THE OTHER AREA, THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S THE PLAN IT'S COMING BACK
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THEN YOU GET AAND, UH, THIS PROPERTY HAD, THIS IS THE CURRENT BUILDING AND THEN THE BUILDING BUILDING, BUILDING, AND THEN THE BUILDING, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE THEM TO EXPAND, UH, THEIR, UH, AND ENGINEERING BUSINESS AND, AND NEED THE, UH, ZONING, UH, TO, UH, ACHIEVE THAT PROPERTY.
UH, THE, UH, CURRENT, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, IN THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES FOR C3, UH, INDICATES, UH, THAT, UH, YOU, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE A, UH, MECHANICAL HIGH-TECH SHOP AND CABINET SHOP, UH, NO GREATER THAN 25 EMPLOYEES, UH, THAT YOU NEED TO SEE, UH, THREE ZONING.
AND THIS IS PERMISSIBLE 4.11, OH.
AND SO THAT'S THE REASON THEY NEED THAT USEFUL, UH, FOR THEIR, UH, SHOPS BECAUSE THEY HAVE, UH, IT IS A CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS AND THEY FABRICATE A WORK THERE THAT THEY TAKE TO ALL THE SITES.
AND OF COURSE THEY HAVE, UH, THEIR MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT, UH, IN THAT RESPECT, UH, THE NEIGHBORS, UH, DO NOT OPPOSE, UH, THE, UH, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
UH, IN FACT, UH, THREE OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, WERE AT THE, UH, PLANNING MEETING AND SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF IT.
UH, ONE NEIGHBOR, UH, SAID THAT, UH, UH, HE HAD LIVED THERE SINCE 1959 AND THAT THE THOMAS' HAD BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS, UH, THROUGH THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF TIME.
OF COURSE, WE KNEW THAT EVERY, EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THEIR REPUTATION IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THIS COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT, UH, THE STRUCTURES, UH, NEARBY AND SEE, UH, THEIR WORK.
UH, UH, YOU CAN, UH, JUST LOOK, UH, UH, THE RIGHT, UH, ADJACENT TO THIS BUILDING AT CHRIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH, WHERE THE, UH, L L R THOMAS BUILT A SUNDAY SCHOOL WING, AND ALSO DID THE STAPLE RENOVATION ON CHRIST CHURCH SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
THEY'VE DONE MANY OTHER PROJECTS OF THIS NATURE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, THE, UH, PUBLIC INTEREST IN WELFARE WOULD BE WELL-SERVED BY ALLOWING THEM TO EXPAND THIS, UH, LONG STANDING, UH, BUSINESS, UH, IN THIS AREA.
AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU GRANT THE ZONING REQUEST, UH, FROM OUR 10 TO C3.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS, TO THIS IS OWNING CHAIN, ANY NEIGHBORS, DANNY METAL.
WE HAVE MR. GEORGE FULLER, WHO IS A NEIGHBOR WHO IS HEARING IN SUPPORT OF THE PETITION WHEN WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IT.
CAUSE I THINK WE CAN DISPOSE OF THIS QUICKLY.
LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION WHO CAN SPEAK IN THE AVENUE OF
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THE THINKING BEHIND TONIGHT SPOT ZONING.I MEAN, THE TECHNICALITY OF THE SPOT WAS AN OPPOSITE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FELT THAT, UM, THE SMALL SIZE OF THE TRACK IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT C3 IS THE INTENT OF THE C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS FOR A RADIO ROAD, A MAJOR RADIO ROAD, AND NOT ON AMOUNT OF COLLECTIVE STREET, WHICH GLENBURNIE DRIVE IS YOU FELT THAT THE INTRODUCTION OF COMMERCIAL C3 COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WOULD UNDERMINE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN FACT, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED TO C3 THAT WE FELT WERE NOT GOOD NEIGHBORS, SUCH AS MOBILE HOME PARKS, BARS, NIGHTCLUBS, UH, MINI STORAGE FACILITIES, AND ATTENDS TO RETAIL DEVELOPMENTS.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A USED, IT'S BEEN AT THAT LOCATION FOR 30, 40, 50 YEARS, BUT WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE USAGE OF THE POTENTIAL USES THAT COULD BE LOCATED THERE DUE TO THE CHANGE IN ZONING.
AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT THEY'RE PLAN AND JOINING A MAJOR REASON WHY THEY DECIDED NOT TO RECOMMEND THE REASON.
SO REALLY IT WASN'T ANY PRESSURE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF, BUT IT WAS CONCERNED FOR THE, FOR THE LETTER OF THE LAW, SO TO SPEAK THAT'S RIGHT BASED ON THE PLANET PRACTICES, UH, LAND USE STUDENTS, THE ONE OTHER POINT THAT THEY DID NINE PLUS THE BOARD INVOLVEMENT HAD ACTED IN THE LAST YEAR TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE, TO ALLOW THE EXPANSION OF USES SUCH AS THIS.
DO YOU RECALL A SITUATION WHERE THE BOARD LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL USES UNDER THE MORE INTENSIVE ZONING AND FELT THAT THEY NEEDED A WAY TO KEEP THAT TO, TO ALLOW A SOUND GOOD BUSINESS, TO EXPAND WITHOUT HAVING TO RECENTLY OPEN UP THE TEACHER USES OF THEIR PROPERTY, UH, TWO USES THAT MIGHT BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE BOARD ADOPTED AN AMENDMENT, WHICH ALLOWS BUSINESSES SUCH AS THIS TO EXPAND ON THEIR PROPERTY, UH, UNDER EXISTING, UH, SONY.
AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE POINTS PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MADE THAT THEY DID NOT FEEL RESIGNING WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE THE BOARD HAD TAKEN ACTION TO PROVIDE FOR THE EXPANSION OF SUCH BUSINESSES.
UH, AND THEY ENCOURAGED THE APPLICANT TO USE THE, UH, PROVISIONS THAT THE BOARD ADOPTED INSTA.
AND THEN THAT WAS THE OTHER FACTOR ON TOP SPOT.
AND THE OWNER DO WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH WHAT TO PLAY IN HIS OWN BORDERS HAS SUGGESTED.
WE CONTEND THAT WE CANNOT, BECAUSE WE DO NOT FEEL, UH, THE, UH, AMENDMENT IN QUESTION, UH, PERMITS THAT BECAUSE OF LANGUAGE UNDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION, UH, THE, UH, UH, SECTION 15 DASH 14 OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SECTION PROVIDES A RESECTION OF D UH, THAT SUBJECT TO SUBSECTION C THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SHALL ISSUE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT UPON FINDING, UH, THAT ONE, UH, THE REQUESTED PERMIT IS WITHIN ITS JURISDICTION, ACCORDING TO THE TABLE OF PERMISSIBLE USES.
UH, SO WE, WE FEEL THAT, UH, EXPANSION OF, OF A, OF A C, THREE OF A USE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN FOR C3, UH, WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED ON THE, UNDER THIS SECTION, UH, UNLESS WE ACTUALLY HAD A C3, UH, ZONING, UH, AREA, UH, BECAUSE, UH, UH, OUR SITE, UH, IS, UH, IS A NON-CONFORMING USE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER THING, WHAT, WHAT IS ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS ALREADY C3 DRIVE THE NEXT, UH, IN MARCH, UH, BODY SHOTS, UM, MORRIS, MONISHA, WHATEVER.
SO, IN OTHER WORDS, SINCE THAT C3 ALREADY THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS OR CONCERNS THAT BERNARD WOULD HAVE COULD ALSO BE ON THAT C3 40 YEARS FROM NOW, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, WHATEVER THAT IS CORRECT.
IN OTHER WORDS, AGAIN, IF WE TURN THIS ONE INTO A C3, SINCE IT'S ESSENTIALLY CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH I CAN UNDERSTAND HIS CONCERN AND CONCERN,
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BUT STRAIGHT WOULD ALREADY BE THERE BECAUSE OF THE EXISTENCE, UH, OR THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.UH, PLUS YOU DO HAVE THE ARMORY DOWN THERE AS WELL.
AND I IMAGINE AT TIMES THAT CAN BE PRETTY HIGH VOLUME TRAFFIC.
I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT AGAINST WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, AND IF THE CONCERN WHICH THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CONCERNED, LONG-TERM, YOU KNOW, IN OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS SHORT TERM, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM TOO.
UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UH, IS IN SUPPORT OF IT.
AND, UH, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN THERE AS LONG AS L THOMAS AND SONS, AND THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF IT.
UH, AND, AND, UH, MR. FULLER HERE, UH, TONIGHT IS, UH, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS AND HE, UH, IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PETITION AS WELL.
UH, ON THE QUESTION OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT, UH, LOOKING AT THE MAP, UH, IF YOU CAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS, THAT THERE ARE SOME C3, LOTS, UH, TRACKS THAT ARE SMALL, AND THERE ARE SOME, UH, ABOUT IDENTICAL IN SIZE, AND THEN THERE'S SOME LARGER, SO IT'S NOT THE SMALLEST AREA THAT WOULD BE ZONE C3 AS WELL.
THE AREA REALLY LACKS UNIFORMITY IN ZONING AND, UH, UH, IRRESPECTIVE, UH, THE, UH, IT'S, IT'S PERMISSIBLE DESIGN IT, UH, TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE NON-CONFORMING USE THEY SPEND FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS.
AND, AND, UH, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT, UH, C3.
IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND HE GOES AHEAD AND EXPAND HIS BUSINESS, AND UNLESS SOMEBODY ACTION, NEW ZONING AND THEN CHANGE, RIGHT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IN OTHER WORDS, THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT NORMAL, RIGHT? SO THAT IS CORRECT, UH, BECAUSE IT, UH, IT'S BEEN THAT USE FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASON THAT I DON'T HAVE AN OPPOSITION TO THE CHANGE OF THE ZONE, BECAUSE USUALLY I BE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO SEE THREE ANYWHERE NEAR
BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, AND AS YOU RECALL, THE, THE LOT IS FACING THE STREET THAT THE BUS, THE STREET IS ALREADY DEVELOPED.
AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE DOWN AN ALLEY THAT IF, UNLESS THEY PUT A FERRIS WHEEL UP THERE, NOBODY EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE THE EFFECT OF WHATEVER THE CHANGES ARE, UNLESS YOU GO DOWN THAT WAY.
SO, UM, PLUS I SAW YOU NOTICED THAT THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW, IF IT WAS ACROSS THE STREET IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE WERE ONLY HOMES, YOU KNOW, AND ONLY ARE 10 KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO ANY THOUGHT OF A CHANGE, BUT ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU WOULD FIND A TV STATION AND RADIO STATION OF BODY SHOP, VARIOUS THINGS ALONG THAT, UH, GLEN BURNIE ROAD THAT A BUTTS GLEN BURNIE ROAD, WHICH IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THERE'LL BE NO CHANGES AT ALL.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN WITH YOUR OFFICE IS IN, RIGHT.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT SO THAT THE OFFICE THAT LOOKS VERY NICELY, THAT A BUS GLENBURNIE ROW WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED.
SO THE, THE CHANGES WOULD BE BEHIND THAT BUILDING, WHICH WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S FAIRLY OBVIOUS TO ANYONE.
AND THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK
SAY, AYE, WHAT WAS THE ZONING OF THE TWO LOTS ADJACENT TO THE THOMAS PROPERTY BEHIND THE C5? OR IS THAT JUST AN EXTENSION OF THE SAME LOT? WELL, YOU COULDN'T DO IT.
COULDN'T DIVIDE THE LINE, BUT THAT'D BE OUR 10, UM, UH, IN THAT LITTLE RIPE, RIGHT ABOVE THE BLUE PIECE, UH, STRAIGHT UP A LITTLE NOTCH IN THE GREEN.
AND THE ONES BETWEEN THOMAS, BETWEEN PETE THOMAS, HIS PLACE AND THE C3 UP THE ROAD ARE ALSO OUR 10.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT'S PREPARED AS OF YET, IS THAT CORRECT? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IN ORDER TO BE DRAFTED TO, UH, MAKE THE SONY CHANGE.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.A TOTAL GRANT VALUE IS ABOUT $85,000 WITH A $9,000 MATCH FROM THE CITY LAST YEAR'S MONEY.
WE SPENT PRIMARILY ON TECHNOLOGY, A COMPUTER BACKBONE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE, UH, BOUGHT SERVERS AND, UH, SOME OTHER SOFTWARE PACKAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO TRY TO UPGRADE OUR EXISTING COMPUTER SYSTEM WITH THIS YEAR'S MONEY.
UH, WE INTEND TO FINISH THAT PROJECT, UH, TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $75,000, WHICH WOULD BE WORKSTATIONS AND AGAIN, SOME ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE UPGRADES.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PROPOSED THAT WE PURCHASE ADDITIONAL IN-CAR CAMERAS FOR, UH, LIKE THAT IDEA IN CAR CAMERAS, FOR THE PATROL CARS, UH, THAT'LL COME TO ABOUT, UH, $19,000 AND ABOUT $75,000 FOR THE COMPUTERS, UM, THE IN CAR CAMERAS.
THE ADVANTAGE FOR THAT IS THAT OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN EVIDENTIARY, UH, UH, TOOL FOR DWI INVESTIGATIONS AND OTHER KINDS OF INVESTIGATIONS.
AND IT'S ALSO A WAY TO, UH, FOR US TO MONITOR, UH, CITIZEN CONTACTS, UH, ON A REAL TIME KIND OF SITUATION.
SO IN, IN 95% OF THE TIME, WHEN WE VIEW A VIDEO, UH, ENCOUNTER, UH, WE SEE THAT OUR OFFICE HAS ACTED APPROPRIATELY AND DID THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO.
AND IT'S A VERY GOOD TRAINING TOOL.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE INTEND TO SPEND THIS MONEY.
UH, THE, UM, ADVISORY BOARD CONSISTED OF, UM, MR. MCFADDEN FROM THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, UH, JERRY MANNETTE SHERIFF FOR CRAVEN COUNTY, JEANNE BOYD, CO CLERK OF THE COURT, UH, THELMA CHADWICK FROM, UH, UNITED SENIOR SERVICES AND TERRANCE HICKS FROM THE BOARD OF EDUCATION.
UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARDERS WAS PRESCRIBED BY THE GRANT, THE OFFICES THAT, UH, TWO OF THEM HAD TO BE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO, UH, THE BOARD GAVE A NON-BINDING CONSENT TO, UM, SPEND THE MONEY IN THE WAY THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS RECOMMENDED.
AND NOW OF COURSE, WE'RE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS OPEN, I GUESS IT'S FOR THE PROGRAM.
YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
ANYBODY WON'T MAKE ANY COMMENTS, A LITTLE PUB, AH, THE CHIEF ABOUT CHIEF, ABOUT THOSE BEFORE YOU GO AWAY.
BEFORE YOU GO AWAY, WHAT, TELL US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT HOW THE CAMERAS HAVE WORKED FOR YOU SO FAR.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY INCIDENTS IN WHICH THEY'VE BEEN USED AS EVIDENCE AS YET? UH, OH YES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONTINUALLY USED AS EVIDENCE IN A DWI TRAFFIC CASES.
UH, WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FORTUNATELY TO, UH, USE THEM IN A CITIZEN'S COMPLAINT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING REALLY GOOD IN THE CITIZENS COMPLAINT DEPARTMENT.
SO, UH, THEY'VE NOT COME TO OUR AID.
WE HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER, UH, IN USE RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO THERE'S JUST AN ULTIMATE PLAN IS TO PROVIDE EACH PATROL CAR WITH A CAMERA, AS WE MOVE ALONG, YOU JUST HAVE THEM IN YOUR TRAFFIC CARS.
NOW, YES, WE HAVE MANY TRAFFIC CARS AND A COUPLE OF DUI CAR, DWI CARS, BUT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE GRANT WILL ALLOW US TO PUT ABOUT FIVE ADDITIONAL CAMERAS OUT AND THEY WILL GO INTO REGULAR PATROL UNITS.
SO AS WE EXPAND AND AS WE PREPARE TO PURCHASE NEW CARS, WE'LL TRY TO INCORPORATE THE COST OF THE CAMERA CAMERAS RUN ABOUT BETWEEN 3000 AND $5,000, DEPENDING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO YOU'RE GETTING THEM FROM AND THE QUALITY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
BUT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE CAMERA IN THE CAR IS, IS BECOMING A NATIONWIDE STANDARD.
UH, MORE AND MORE AGENCIES ARE GOING TO THEM.
AND THEY'RE AN EXCELLENT TOOL.
WELL, I LIKED THEM FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE OFFICE.
I HIGHLY FAVORED THE CAMERAS, UM, BLACK DISPLAY ALSO, AND HE WANTS A HALF.
I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE GOOD THINGS I'M HEARING ABOUT YOU, BUT I HAVE RECOGNIZED YOUR VOICE SEVERAL TIMES ON THE PHONE WHEN YOU CALL ME AND TELL ME THAT
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD A SINGLE THING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
SO I'M JUST KINDA, I THINK YOU KIND OF LIKE ME, YOU DON'T TAKE PRAISE VERY WELL.
OF COURSE, I'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY THAT'S
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AND I'LL ASK A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ALL OVER AND THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT THE HIGHEST PRAISE FOR YOU.AND I JUST HOPE YOU, AND I KNOW YOU WILL KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
IF YOU'RE STILL TAKE IT WITH US.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I'M HOLDING MY BREATH THAT IT KEEPS GOING THAT WAY.
I HAVE ONE REQUEST AND, UH, THIS CAME ABOUT KIND OF STRANGE.
I STARTED LOOKING FOR NUMBERS ON THE BACK OF THE POLICE CARS.
THEY USED TO BE THERE AND I REMARKED SEVERAL TIMES THAT THE CARS DIDN'T HAVE NUMBERS ON THEM.
AND THEY KEPT TELLING ME, YES, THEY DO.
AND I, WHEN I WALKED UP TO ONE, ONE DAY, THEY DO HAVE NUMBERS, BUT THEY'RE DARK BLUE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM FROM BEHIND, THEY'RE INVISIBLE AGAINST THE DARK INTERIOR OF THE CAR, I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS REPLACED IN WHITE, SO THAT ALL SO THAT THE PEOPLE CAN SEE THE NUMBER ON THE CAR.
WELL, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL CERTAINLY MAKE NUMBERS VISIBLE ON THE CARS, WHETHER IT'S ON THE WINDSHIELDS OR IF WE PUT IT ON THE BACK OF THE CAR OR SOMEPLACE WHERE IT'S OBVIOUS WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
AND I'LL WRITE THAT DOWN RIGHT NOW.
WHAT YOU LAUGHING ABOUT? MR. ATTORNEY DOWN THERE.
I WANT YOU TO PUT A NUMBER ON THE BACK OF ROBERT'S CAR SO THEY COULD CATCH HIM EASIER.
WE ALREADY HAVE ONE ON THE BACK.
HE JUST DOESN'T KNOW WHERE IT IS.
SO Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A SAM G HAS GOT A GOOD SET.
THE HAMMER MILL WE'LL HAVE SOME GOOD FUN AS WE DO OUR WORK.
UM, MR. MAYOR, I DID HEAR, I DID HEAR SOMEONE MAKE A, MAKE A COMMENT TOO, TO THE GOOD ABOUT YOU THE OTHER DAY, THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD SAID THEY HAD SEEN YOU RIDE YOUR MOTORCYCLE THREE TIMES AND YOU HADN'T FALLEN OFF YET THAT YOU HAD VERY GOOD SENSE.
VERY GOOD SENSE OF BALANCE, BUT OLD GUY.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS BELIEVING ON THE BOARD YEAH.
WERE PURCHASED THROUGH THE HIGHWAY SAFETY GRANT AND WE JUST OFFICIALLY PUT THEM OUT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO AND THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
FEW MONTHS AGO, THE HIGHWAY PATROL WAS GOT A MOTORCYCLE.
OH YEAH, YOU CAN GET WHAT'S CALLED PILE UP, MAN.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? THAT WAS SO FUNNY.
I SAID I HEARD SOME REAL GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT.
AND SO WHEN I SAID ABOUT, I RECOGNIZE YOU'VE ALWAYS EVERY TIME HE CALLED ME, NO, YOU GUYS REALLY, I MEAN, IF I'M IN THE BARBER SHOP AWARE OF, I SAY, WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT OUR NATURE? AND EVERYBODY'S OH, MAN, THAT GUY'S GREAT.
MAY I SAY LATE COMES RACE TIME WILL BE FORGOTTEN ALL THAT.
AND WE SPOKE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IS, UH, REVEREND DENTON AIR, THE CITY MANAGER WAS CONCERNED AND LEFT NOTICED DIDN'T GET OUT TO REVEREND DENTON AND SOME OTHERS TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE CASE.
UH, SO HE WANTS TO PUT IT OFF TO GIVE HIM, YOU KNOW, MORE FOLKS CANS TO GET HERE, TO PRESENT THE BOARD, THE CASE TO GIVE THEM BETTER, UH, SEND A REQUEST TO ALL THE OTHER NELSON PALLETS.
ANYBODY GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT? OR DID ANYBODY SHOW UP FOR THAT OR NOT? OKAY.
NUMBER EIGHT, IS THAT A PETITION TO CHANGE, TRY AND FOUND THAT IT'S STILL MR. MCDOWELL OVER THERE.
I GOT TO TELL YOU STUFF THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET, CONTINGENCY FUNDS TO COVER SOMETHING, A REQUEST LIKE THIS, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A SPECIAL APPROPRIATION? THE ANSWER IS YES.
WE HAVE CONTINUED TO SAY FANTA.
THIS WOULD STILL BE A SPECIAL APPROPRIATION IF YOU DECIDED TO DO IT, BUT IT WOULD COME FROM THAT CONTINUED CONTENTION.
INSTEAD OF PETITION TO CHANGE, TRY AND BALANCE DRIVE THE SOUTH FRONT STREET.
THIS IS TO CONSIDER THE PETITION.
UH, DOES ANYBODY OUT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON IT OR YES.
MAYOR BAYLIS, SIN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN I'M KAY WILLIAMS, ADMINISTRATOR OF TRYON PALACE, HISTORIC
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SITES AND GARDENS.AND WE HAVE ACQUIRED A PROPERTY THAT'S EAST OF OUR 14 ACRE COMPLEX.
AND AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OF DEVELOPING THAT AS A COMPREHENSIVE VISITOR CENTER AND HISTORY EDUCATION CENTER, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT WE RETURN THE NAME OF TRYON PALACE DRIVE TO ITS ORIGINAL NAME, WHICH WAS SOUTH FRONT STREET.
AND I MIGHT ADD IT WAS SOUTH FRONT STREET FOR 249 YEARS.
AND IT HAS BEEN TRYON PALACE DRIVE FOR 38 YEARS.
OUR INTEREST IN DOING THIS IS REALLY ON SEVERAL LEVELS.
AND I'LL MENTION A FEW TRY AND PALACE DRIVE THAT STREET AS SOUTH FRONT STREET OR FRONT STREET IS ONE OF THE SIX ORIGINAL TOWNS THAT MADE UP THE TOWN PLAN OF NEWBURN WHEN NEWBURN WAS FOUNDED IN 1710.
AND THAT TOWN PLAN IS STILL VERY MUCH IN EVIDENCE TODAY.
IN FACT, EVEN THE URBAN DESIGN PLAN PARTS OF THE URBAN DESIGN PLAN HAS BEEN TO CREATE, TO MAINTAIN AND PRESERVE THE VISTA TO THE WATERFRONT.
THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN PLAN IN THE 18TH CENTURY STREETS THAT FRONTED ON A BODY OF WATER WERE CALLED FRONT STREET.
AND THE VERY TOWN PLAN WITH THE TWO FRONT STREETS INDICATED THAT NEWBURN WAS A PENINSULA TOWN.
AND THAT NEWBURN WAS VERY, VERY MUCH AN IMPORTANT WATER-BASED TOWN.
AND THAT PART OF OUR WATER OR RIVER HERITAGE IS VERY MUCH A PART OF THE HISTORY THAT WE WANT TO INTERPRET AT OUR NEW SITE THAT WILL BE LOCATED ON THE BARBARA BOATWORKS PROPERTY.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A NUMBER OF THINGS WE'RE STILL IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLANNING STAGE, BUT WE WILL COMMIT TO YOU THAT WE WILL EXTEND THE PUBLIC WALKWAY.
AND THAT THAT WILL BE A COMPLETELY OPEN PART OF THE SITE SO THAT PEDESTRIANS AND WALKERS AND RUNNERS CAN EXTEND THE WATERFRONT WALKWAY THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS BY THE HOTEL PROPERTIES.
IN ADDITION, WE WANT TO MAKE THAT WALK.
WE'RE A PART OF THE EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND WE WANT TO TELL THE STORY ALONG THAT WALKWAY OF THE EVOLUTION OF THE TOWN AND THE TOWN PLAN WITH OUTSIDE TEXT PLATES THAT WILL SHOW THE EVOLUTION OF THE MAPS OF THE TOWN IN THE 18TH AND EARLY 19TH CENTURY.
WE'RE GOING TO ORIENT PEOPLE WHO ARE REVIEWING THESE TEXTS PLATES BY THE ORIGINAL TOWN PLAN, SO THAT THOSE VISITORS CAN WALK TODAY.
THE SAME STREETS THAT WERE PLANNED IN 1710.
SO HAVING INTACT THAT ORIGINAL TOWN PLAN IS VERY MUCH PART OF WHAT WE WILL BE COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC ON.
I GUESS MAYBE MORE PRACTICAL NOTE, WE ARE APPROACHING YOU ABOUT THIS CHANGE NOW, RATHER THAN WHEN WE ARE NEAR COMPLETION ON THE SITE BECAUSE OF THE ANNOUNCED CHANGE IN AREA CODE, WHICH WILL OCCUR IN MARCH.
AND I THINK THE, I THINK THERE'S A GRACE PERIOD FROM MARCH TO AUGUST OF 98 AND WE FELT IT WOULD NOT INCONVENIENCE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUSINESSES OR HOMES ON TRYON PALACE DRIVE AS MUCH IF WE MADE THE CHANGE CONSISTENT WITH THAT CHANGE.
I THINK MOST OF THE OCCUPANTS OF PROPERTY ON TRYON PALACE DRIVE WE'LL HAVE TO REPRINT STATIONARY BROCHURES, LITERATURE TO REFLECT THE NEW AREA CODE CHANGE.
AND SO IT SHOULD NOT BE DIFFICULT TO ALSO MAKE THE NAME CHANGE OF THE STREET.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE SPENT THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF TALKING TO GROUPS THAT WE FELT HAD A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS.
WE STARTED WITH THE RESIDENTS AND OCCUPANTS AND OWNERS ON TRYON PALACE DRIVE.
WE HAD A MEETING AT TRYON PALACE AND ABOUT 20 PEOPLE FROM TRY PALACE DRIVE APPEARED AT THAT MEETING.
WE HAVE SINCE HAD PEOPLE CALLING ON INDIVIDUALS ON TRYON PALACE DRIVE, WHO WERE NOT AT THAT MEETING, WE HAVE APPROACHED ALL OF THE COMMUNITY GROUPS.
WE FELT HAD A VESTED INTEREST AND ALL OF THEM HAVE ENDORSED THE CHANGE.
AND THAT NUMBER INCLUDES THE NEW-BORN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WAS BEAR THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, THE MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION, TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL OF OUR GROUPS, THE NEWBURN HISTORICAL SOCIETY, THE NEW-BORN PRESERVATION FOUNDATION, UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE LEFT ANYBODY OUT THAT WE TALKED TO, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED LETTERS OF ENDORSEMENT FROM ALL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.
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OF A STREET NAME MAY NOT SOUND LIKE A SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO, BUT THIS IS A SMALL TOWN ON THE COAST OF NORTH CAROLINA THAT HAS BECOME KNOWN NATIONWIDE FOR ITS EFFORTS AT PRESERVATION AND IN FOR ITS BUILDING ITS FUTURE.ALL THE IMPORTANT HERITAGE OF ITS PAST AND A STREET NAME DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
IF THAT STREET NAME INDICATES THAT THIS IS A RIVERFRONT TOWN AND A TOWN WITH TWO RIVERS, AND IF IT IS A STREET NAME, THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN PLAN OF THE TOWN.
AND SO WE VERY MUCH WILL APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR VOTE IN THIS AND YOUR SUPPORT FOR TRYING PALACE HISTORIC SITES AND GARDENS.
DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? WELL, LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION AND YOU MAY ASK HOW LONG IS THE TERM DRIVE BEEN IN EFFECT IS AS FAR AS STRAIGHT
UM, IN EARLIER CENTURIES, THE, THE PREFERENCE PARTICULARLY FOR A SMALL TOWN WOULD BE STREET AND THEN MAYBE MAYBE AVENUE OR BOULEVARD, BUT THE TERM DRIVE IS A MUCH LATER TERM FOR STREET DESIGNATION, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY DETRIMENTAL.
WELL, IT SIGNALS A DRIVE COULD BE IN A SUBURB OR ANY DEVELOPMENT BEING DONE TODAY, WHICH IS FINE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT, IT'S OUT OF CHARACTER.
IT'S NOT PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
I KNOW SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVE MENTIONED ABOUT CONCERN, ABOUT DIRECTION FINDING OR WAYFINDING.
I THINK FORTUNATELY WE'RE A SMALL ENOUGH TOWN AND NOT A MAJOR URBAN AREA.
AND I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE ANY PROBLEM.
AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS A PROBLEM IN THE PAST.
I ALSO SHOULD SAY THAT GREG'S THE KULA FOR US CONTACTED THE NINE 11 COORDINATOR AND ALSO THE INDIVIDUAL WITH, WITH CRAVEN COUNTY WHO A MAN WHO MANAGES THE NAMES OF STREETS AND ROADS IN CRAVEN COUNTY.
AND BOTH OF THEM INDICATED THAT THEY HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.
UM, WE ALSO APPROACHED THE HOUSING, WHICH IS AT THE WEST END OF TRYON PALACE DRIVE.
AND WE TALKED TO MR. GUY AND ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS TALKED TO MR. GEORGE AND THEY INDICATE THEY HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THIS CHANGE.
IN FACT, I THINK MR. GEORGE SAID HE, HE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE THE HISTORICAL NAME OR THE EARLY NAME, AND YOU LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE NAME BEING CHANGED IN BY AUGUST OF NEXT YEAR.
I THINK AUGUST OF 98 WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME, THE REASON WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO DECIDE NOW BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY PLANNING, THEY'RE REPRINTING AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE I'M THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER IT SHOULD BE MARCH OR AUGUST, BUT AUGUST WOULD CERTAINLY GIVE PEOPLE AMPLE TIME TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT.
AND MARCH MIGHT BE A LITTLE EARLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT WITH THE AREA CODE CHANGE, IT WILL GO INTO EFFECT ACTUALLY IN MARCH, BUT BETWEEN MARCH AND AUGUST, APPARENTLY YOU CAN STILL USE 9 1 9.
SO IT'S KIND OF A GRACE PERIOD IN ORDER TO DO THIS, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT, NONE OF THAT JUST EMOTIONAL, THE BOARD HAS THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE NAME AND HISTORY.
I WOULD SUGGEST IT'D BE DONE BY RESOLUTION.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST GAY THAT IT BE EFFECTIVE WHEN THE NEW AREA CODE COMES IN, NOT AT THE END OF THE PERIOD OF APRIL, WE'LL BE HAVING THAT PRINTING GUNS, NEW AREA CODE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT.
IN FACT, WE WOULD PREFER THAT THAT WILL HELP WITH OUR PRINTING.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO JUST ADOPT A, HAVE A STRAIGHT UP RESOLUTION BASED ON YOUR STUDY.
AND I SAW THE 31 PAGES OF SIGNATURES ON THE PETITIONS THAT YOU SENT OUT, WHICH IS MORE VOTES THAN I GOT IN RECENT ELECTIONS.
CAN I ASK THAT WHEN YOU CHANGE THE NAME, IF WE AGREE TO CHANGE THE NAME THAT IT NOT BE ABBREVIATED SOUTH, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, LET'S SPELL IT OUT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
SO I KNOW THERE'S A TENDENCY TO ABBREVIATE LIKE SO OR S FRONT STREET, IF IT IS A PURPOSE OF THE BOARD TO APPROVE THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT SPELLED OUT WITH THE FULL S O U T H T THE WHOLE
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THING YOU CAN ABBREVIATE STREET BACK THEN SPEAK, I THINK WAY BACK.AND HEY, YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK YOU KNOW, ME, I HAVE, UH, A QUESTION DEALING WITH CHANGING OF THE STREETS.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE STREET, WHY DID WE CHANGE IT? UH, 40 YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS SOUTH FRONT RUNNING ALL THE WAY UP TO TRY AND PALACE.
AND WHEN THEY BUILT THE DEBRIS AGE AND EVERYTHING, THEY CHANGED THE STREET TO THE DRIVE.
AND NOW THAT, UH, WE CHANGED IT TO BELLAMY DRIVE.
AND I REALLY DIDN'T APPROVE OF THAT AFTER LESS THAN A YEAR OR MAYBE THREE YEARS, WE TURNED AROUND AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO NAME IT SOUTH FRONT.
I ALSO SEE WE TALKING ABOUT HISTORY.
WE TALKING ABOUT HISTORY, THEN WHY ARE WE GOING TO TAKE, UH, BRYANT STREET IS, WHICH IS THE STREET NEXT TO ST.
JOHN MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH, WHERE I WAS BORN AND RAISED.
WE TAKE THAT AND WE STICK IT IN, IN OUR PRAYERS TERRACE.
AND THEN WE TURNED AROUND AND WE DROPPED THE TEE OFF AND PUT BRIAN, I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WE PUT BRIAN, WHICH IS A, I THINK IT WAS A SUPREME COURT, A LAWYER, A JUDGE.
AND WE GOT HIM OVER THERE ON, ON, ON OUR SOUTH FRONT STREET, WHICH IS BELLAMY BOULEVARD WHERE THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH IS THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHOPPED UP LITTLE STREETS AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A SOFT FRONT STREET.
THAT'D BE SAD FOR HIM TO SPEAK TO THAT, RUN OUT.
WHY IS IT WHEN ANYBODY COMES TO THIS TOWN, YOU GO DOWN ONE STREET AS WEST STREET BEFORE YOU CROSSED THE OTHER STREET, IS IT FLEETS, SPREE, AND YOU CROSS THE OTHER STREET.
IT SHOULD BE IN A, IN A WAY WHERE IF YOU COME IN ON SOUTH, YOU CAN KEEP RIGHT ON GOING THROUGH.
IF YOU GET TO THE OTHER POINT, YOU CAN PICK UP WHERE YOU WANT TO GO UP AND TAKE OFF FROM THERE.
I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE CHANGES THAT THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN.
AND THAT'S MY OPINION, THE BIAS I FEEL ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, HIRE EVERYBODY ELSE, LOOKING AND THINK ABOUT IT.
Y'ALL GOT YOUR OWN IDEAS AND THOUGHTS, BUT I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE.
AND I SEE TOO MANY THINGS BEING CHANGED AROUND.
WELL, THE SAME STREET, SAFFRON STREET IS A HISTORY OF STREET GOING ALL THE WAY UP CORN STREET.
THAT'S THE HIPPIE STUFF, BUT I DON'T CARE.
UH, AT A POINT IT SHOULD BE IF IT'S GOING TO BE ONE STREET AND I HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING BLOCKED OFF, JUST LIKE IT IS AT BELMONT COMING IN, BECAUSE YOU GO TO BELGIUM AND THEN IT RUNS OUT.
THEN YOU GOT TO GO TO ANOTHER SCREEN.
WE SHOULD GET WITH THE CITY PLANNERS OR WHOEVER IN HERE AND JUST MAKE IT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN FROM ONE IN A NEW BURN TO THE OTHER END, THAT IT SPEAKS TO BE THE SAME.
IT'S GOING TO RUN FROM HERE TO THE NEWBORN HIGH.
THAT'D BE JUST SAYING THE STREETS THAT CUT IN OR COME IN THE INTERSECTS WITH THAT STREET.
THEN LET THAT BE THE NAME OF THE STREET OR RUN OFF ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WHO RUN AROUND THE WHOLE NEWBURN.
IF THERE'S ONE STREET LIKE A OATS ROAD, IF YOU COME IN DOWN HERE, CAN YOU THINK OF JOHNSON STREET, GEORGE GEORGE STREET, IT WOULD CHANGE IT.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME IN ON, ON, ON ONE STREET AND JUST AROUND WELL HE'S RIGHT.
BUT YOU KNOW, HIS CONCERN GOES INTO THE NOTHINGNESS PERFECT CATEGORY BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE.
EVERY, EVERY CITY I'VE BEEN INTO ON ONE STREET, THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU'VE CROSSED A BLOCK.
IT'S NAMED SOMETHING ELSE, BUT HE'S CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE FRONT SPEED ALL AROUND.
I LIKE TO TRY ON PALACE DRIVE PERSONALLY.
IF YOU, IF YOU COME IN OFF THE BYPASS, ANYBODY COME OFF, THE BYPASS IS TRY AND PASS DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY CAN SEE, TRY AND PASS DRIVE.
WHAT YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO IS BUILDING A BOULEVARD, WHICH MIGHT BE CONFUSED.
THEN THEY GOT TO COME THROUGH ANOTHER AREA.
THEN THEY GOT FIND ANOTHER STREET AND YOU CAN RIDE IT AND YOU CAN TAKE IT AND JUST FOLLOW IT UP.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING THAT WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE UNIFORM ON, ON THE STREETS AND A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE TALK ABOUT HISTORY, NOT TAKE THAT HISTORY AND JUST PUT IT IN ONE SEGMENT THAT ROAD ROAD HAD A END AND A BEGINNING TO IT.
WELL, THIS WILL HELP IN A LITTLE BIT.
ANYWAY, IF WE CHANGE IT TO A SOUTH FRONT SPEED TO HELP A LITTLE BIT, IT'S ACTUALLY CONCERN UNDER CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE.
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YOU'RE SAYING.I'VE GOT LOST A COUPLE OF FOUND MYSELF, TRYING TO FIND SOME PLACES ON MAYOR DUTY WHERE SOMEONE WHO'S STRAIGHT TO CHANGE AND LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TOTALLY CONFUSED AND BIG ONE ON ONE, ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW I HAD TO GET ON THE PHONE, GET MYSELF OUT.
AND ALSO I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT, DOING THEIR PART.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T EVER SEEN THE POP WARNER KIDS PLAY FOOTBALL, I'D JUST LIKE TO THROW THIS IN.
THAT IS THE MOST INCREDIBLE THING YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
THE LITTLE KIDS LOOK AS GOOD AS I WON'T MENTION SOME COLLEGE FOOTBALL TAPE.
ANYWAYS, ANYBODY HERE IN OPPOSITION, I'M GOING TO SIT.
DOES ANYBODY HERE IN OPPOSITION OF CHANGING THE NAME BACK TO QUIET? IT WAS, WE HAD ONE OTHER REQUEST, BY THE WAY, WHILE WE ENDED STREET CHANGING BACK, HISTORICALLY IT WAS WHAT LINDEN STRAIGHT, I THINK RIGHT.
ONLY TO CHANGE IT LIGHT WROTE ME A LETTER AND CALLED ME UP.
SO IT MAY TAKE THAT ONE OUT OF CONSIDERATION TO US.
AND IT'S A VERY SHORT STREET, NO PUN INTENDED, BUT, UH, WE DIDN'T MAKE THE ROAMING LATE IS NOT ENOUGH.
YOU THE ONE TO CALL ME, I CAN'T SEE IT'S LINDEN STREET AND I WANT TO CHANGE IT.
HE USED TO BE SHORT STREET, I THINK, MANY YEARS AGO.
DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? MY MIKE, UM, DEAL WITH WEST BAY REQUESTED OF US.
WE GONNA BE ALL OVER EVERYWHERE.
THERE'S AN ANONYMOUS MAILING BEING DONE TO TRY TO GET THE NEW BRIDGE NAMED THE ROBERT RAINER BRIDGE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, YEAH,
AND THEN YOU HAVE A REVISED AMENDMENT THAT IS UNDER THE ITEM 18.
IT'S MORE A LARGER AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE THERE'S AN APPROPRIATION OF SOME MONEY THAT WAS CARRIED OUT.
IT TAKES THE PLACE OF THE ONE WITH THE SAME EXPLANATION IN IT.
YOU'LL SEE IT BEFORE YOU SAY INCREASED BY ABOUT 60 POUNDS.
AND IT'S TO REAPPROPRIATE SOME MONEY THAT WAS IN LAST YEAR THAT SOME GRANT MONEY THAT WE ARE REAPPROPRIATING INDIVIDUALLY OR SO THAT THEY CAN SPEND IT THIS YEAR RATHER THAN A HALF.
I MOVED TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THAT AMENDMENT.
MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MAY I CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT I HAD A DIFFERENT RESOLUTION FOR ITEM 12? AND I PASSED THAT OUT.
THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE AGENDA PACKET WAS NOT APPROPRIATE.
INCORPORATING AL'S NEW WALL RESOLUTION FIVE AND 12.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? OH, I'M SORRY.
I NEED TO PULL AN ITEM OFF FOR SOME DISCUSSION AND I'M SORRY TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S ITEM A 20 MINUS 20.
WE'VE GOT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE REVISIONS, EVERYTHING EXCEPT AND I ON THE 22ND FOR THAT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE ROLE PLAYS ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT NUMBER 20.
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, SIR.
IT'S UH, IT'S AN INCREASE OF HOW MUCH? ABOUT $88,000 MORE.
I BARELY WANT TO COME FORWARD.
I GUESS YOU CAN RESPOND TO ME PLEASE.
YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE A GENERAL, LIKE WHY DID IT GO? IT, UH,
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THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS BASED ON, UH, THE, THE VERY MINIMAL INFORMATION WE HAVE IN THE PROJECT AGAIN, WHICH WAS THE SCOPE OF WORK WOULD BE ABOUT A METER AND A HALF DOLLAR BUILDING FOR THE FIRE STATION.UH, AS THE PROJECTS DEVELOPED, UH, IT'S, IT'S LOOKING AT ABOUT A 24,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING PLUS EXTENSIVE SITE WORK.
THEY'RE CONNECTING TO FORT TOTTEN DRIVES AND TO FIRST STREET.
SO THERE'S CONSIDERABLE PAVING BEHIND IT.
UH, CAME UP AFTER YOU PUT YOUR CAR.
WHEN WE FIRST PUT A CONTRACT TOGETHER, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD BE, HOW BIG IT WOULD BE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'VE MET EXTENSIVELY WITH, WITH FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL, WITH THE MANAGER, TRYING TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT AND MAKE IT MEET THEIR NEEDS.
UH, AS WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES, WE'RE PROJECTING THE COST NOW TO BE IN THE $3 MILLION RANGE.
AND, UH, ACCORDINGLY OUR, OUR FEES HAVE TO GO UP TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ALSO, UH, THIS BOARD ASKED HIM TO GO BACK AT AN EARLIER MEETING AND TO PUT ON A DEDUCTIVE EDITION THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR EXPANSION OF THAT DEAL WITH THE HOUSE.
AND THE OTHER PIECE THAT WE DIDN'T CONSIDER IN THE FIRST PART OF THE APPLICATION FOR THE PHOENIX, THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY, OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING'S GONE WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, DONE A BID PACKAGE ON THAT, UH, MANAGE THE BID WORK AND, UH, MONITORED THE DEMOLITION WORK WHILE IT WAS UNDERWAY.
SO THAT WAS A PIECE THAT WE HAVE, AND ALSO HAD TO DO AS ADDITIONAL WORK.
THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, I'M IN OUR MID APPS ABOUT WHAT ARCHITECTURE REALLY DO AND WHAT THEY CHARGE THEM, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO GO ALMOST $90,000 INCREASE JEFFERSON DESIGN, A DRIVEWAY HERE, A DRIVEWAY DRIVEWAY, NO TWO EXTRA ROOMS ON HERE.
WELL, IF YOU GO BACK AND IF YOU TRY AND LOOK AT IT FROM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND SOMEBODY COMES TO YOU TO HIRE AND THEY SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO DO A ME AND A HALF DOLLAR BUILDING.
AND THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION YOU'VE GOT.
YOU DIDN'T FEED THROUGH EXPERIENCE ON HOW MUCH TIME YOU THINK THAT'LL TAKE.
WE NOW HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE KNOW HOW MANY ROOMS ARE IN HOW BIG THOSE ROOMS ARE KIND OF, UH, EQUIPMENT THEY NEED, HOW ELABORATE THE HEATING AND AIR AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS. AND THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED BILL.
SO YOU BASE YOUR FIRST CONTRACT ON NOT KNOWING ANYTHING.
NO WE'D BASED ANY CONTRACT ON THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE AT THE TIME.
AND WE TRY AND GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN IN THIS CASE, IT WAS FAIRLY SKETCHY IN THE BEGINNING.
BUT, UH, AS THE PROJECT HAS EXPANDED, UM, WE FOUND OURSELVES IN THE POSITION OF, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO COMPLETE IT.
YOU NEED YOUR BUILDING AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PAY CONSULTANTS.
I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT NOT ALL THIS MONEY STAYS IN OUR HANDS.
YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE IF IT DID, BUT WE HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM, A MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING FIRM AND A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING FIRM WORKING FOR US ON THIS PROJECT.
AND, AND THEIR PIECE OF THIS IS CONSIDERABLE.
UH, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND 40% OF ANYTHING YOU PAY US, CAUSE RIGHT OUT THE DOOR TO THAT, THEY'RE JUST PART OF OUR TEAM.
IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, WE DO TWO THINGS IN THE CASE OF OUR FIRM, UH, A LOT OF, A LOT OF FIRMS PRACTICE ON THE BASIS OF A PERCENTAGE OF CONSTRUCTION COST IS HOW THEY ADJUST THEIR FEE.
WHERE IF YOU DECIDE TO INCREASE YOUR BUILDING BY 5,000 SQUARE FEET AND THE COST OF THAT BUILDING GOES UP, THEN YOU PAY THEM A PROPORTION OF THAT.
IN TERMS OF FEE, WE HAVE ELECTED TO GO WITH A FIXED FEE SO THAT YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOUR COST WILL BE, BOTH IN THE INITIAL FEE.
AND IN THIS REQUEST, IF, IF THE BUILDING GROWS ANOTHER 2000 FEET, WE'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK.
THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH CHANGE.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF A PERCENTAGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, THE INITIAL PERCENTAGE IS HIGHER THAN WHAT THE ADJUSTED.
IF YOU ELECTED TO APPROVE THIS, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE WILL BE OF THE TOTAL OF THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S SORT OF A SLIDING SCALE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR LESS IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE NOW, BECAUSE IT IS A BIGGER PROJECT AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME ECONOMY AND PRODUCING IT THAT WAY.
WHAT IS YOUR POSITION? I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE BUILDING DESIGN.
THEY'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF WORK.
DO YOU THINK THIS IS A JUSTIFIABLE INCREASE? YES, SIR.
AND WE WENT OVER THIS CONSIDERABLY OUR SALES IN MY OFFICE LAST WEEK.
I'VE ANSWERED ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO BEING DONE? NO SECOND.
UH, WELL ACTUALLY WE NEED TO GET BEYOND THIS ISSUE SO WE CAN GET BACK TO BEING DONE.
WE HAVE THE WEIGHT ON THE CHECK.
NO, WE'RE WAITING ON AUTHORITY TO KNOW THAT WE WILL GET ONE IN THE END.
UM, UH, AS OF TODAY, THE, THE BUILDING DESIGN IS BASICALLY FIRMED UP AND COMPLETE.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT 45,
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50% COMPLETE WITH THOSE, UH, MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL IS PROBABLY IN THE SAME RANGE.CIVIL IS A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, UH, THAT'S THAT'S THE SITE WORK.
WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN RESOLVING A FEW ISSUES THERE.
UH, WE'RE WE'RE HOPING IF THIS IS APPROVED TO BE ABLE TO PROCESS THIS THING WITH ALL SPEED, BE ABLE TO BID IT RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY ABOUT A, UH, 14, 15 MONTH TIMEFRAME FOR CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT WE'RE CREATING, RIGHT.
BUT BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME, AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY GO IN THERE AND DIG A HOLE, START THE CONSTRUCTION AS APPROXIMATELY IN YOUR ESTIMATE WOULD BE, UH, BEFORE YOU SEE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY ON THE SITE, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT FIVE MONTHS BECAUSE THE BID PROCESS TAKES A WHILE AND THEN ONCE YOU BID IT AND THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN AWARDED, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LAG IN GETTING HIM STARTED UP INCREASES.
I DON'T, UNLESS UNLESS THE PROJECT CHANGES SIZE, IF YOU DECIDE TO ADD SOME CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT TO IT, I DON'T, I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T LIKE TO COME BACK AND DO THIS, BUT IN THIS CASE IT WAS SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH.
WE REALLY DIDN'T SEE A CHOICE.
UM, ONE THING WE HAVE DONE A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE REQUIRES APPROVAL BY THE DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE, UM, THEIR, THEIR BUILDING SECTION.
UH, I TOOK THE PROJECT UP, UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO AND, AND WENT THROUGH A, UH, HAND-CARRIED MEETING WITH THEM.
UH, I WAS TOLD AT THAT POINT THAT BASICALLY IF WE JUST MAIL IT IN, WHICH IS A NORMAL PROCESS, THERE'S ABOUT A 12 WEEK TURNAROUND FOR APPROVALS ON THAT, BY HAND CARRYING IT UP AND REVIEWING IT ON SITE WITH THEM.
WE CUT THAT BACK TO ABOUT A FOUR WEEK PROCESS.
SO WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REDUCE THOSE TURNAROUNDS.
UM, THE ONLY AREA THAT MAY DELAY US AT THIS POINT IS THE STORM WATER PERMITTING AND, UH, EROSION CONTROL COORDINATING THAT TAKES QUADS AT A TIME.
AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND GET THAT ON THE, IN PROCESS NOW.
MIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE QUILT THAT WAS DEDICATED TODAY? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, UH, WE HAD THE DEDICATION OF THE EARTH QUILT AT STANLEY WHITE RECREATION CENTER TODAY.
UH, WE HAD A GOOD CROWD THERE.
UM, A FULL FOUR DIFFERENT SCHOOLS WERE REPRESENTED, UH, FOLKS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FROM THE CLIMBERS CLUB, THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN'S ALLIANCE, UH, CITY STAFF, ALDERMAN MATTINGLY, UH, WAS THERE AND, AND OTHERS, UH, IT, IT WENT VERY WELL, UH, ESPECIALLY THE PROGRAM OF MUSIC AND DANCE BY THE KIDS WOULD, WAS VERY INSPIRING AND REALLY SET THE TONE.
UH, THE, UH, EARTHQUAKE LOOKS GREAT.
WE'D INVITE YOU TO GET BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND WE IDENTIFIED SOME FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY HELPED US OUT CONSIDERABLY, UH, DURING THE PROCESS.
AND WE'RE HOPING THEY WILL FORM A CORE GROUP THAT WILL REALLY TAKE THE LEAD IN THE MAINTAINING OF IT.
BUT IT WAS A VERY NICE CEREMONY.
I WENT BY THERE THIS MORNING, BEFORE YOUR FAIR, BECAUSE I HAD SOME PLACE ELSE TO BE AT THAT TIME.
I WALKED AROUND AND I WAS RIGHT AMAZED AT HOW WELL IT LOOKS.
I CERTAINLY LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY TO JUST STOP BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO SEE IS A PICTURE FROM THE AIR.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU CAN GET ONE OF THE BOOM TRUCKS OVER THERE, DANNY, AND TAKE A PICTURE FROM MY ELEVATED.
THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEING SMALLER STATURE.
I CAN'T GET UP VERY HIGH TO SEE THAT THE WHOLE THING.
AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET SORT OF A PANORAMA FROM MAYBE 15, 20 FEET WHEN WE DO THAT, WHATEVER, WHATEVER, GET A GOOD ONE.
AND THEN JAY MAY WANT TO GIVE IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO THINGS, START TO BOOM ON TO BUY THE PANTS AND STUFF, BUT IT LOOKS NICE.
WELL, IT WAS GOOD TODAY, COLORS AND BRIGHT, AND OF COURSE, A BEAUTIFUL SUNSHINY DAY.
THE SMELL, THE OCEAN, THE SHELVES MISCELLANEOUS.
OH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FROM DANNY.
I WAS ABOUT THE CHILDREN AT PLAY SIGN ON A GRIM.
BERNIE, DID WE GET THAT UP? AND ALSO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND ALSO PRIDE IS WHAT HAS MADE AS YOU WOULD THINK OF NECESSARY.
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NO PROBLEM THAN THE MAN.AND ALSO THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM A LADY OVER ON THREE AND BERNIE DRIVE ABOUT LOWERING THE SPEED LIMITS.
IT SEEMS THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE A DRAG WHEN THEY TURN THE CORNER FROM THE HEAD TO THE PARK IS KIND OF COMPLAIN THAT SOME OF OUR TRUCKS MIGHT DO THAT TOO.
I HOPE THEY DIDN'T SEE ME, BUT THE SPEED LIMIT IS WHAT IS IT? 35.
AND IT'S KIND OF PULSE WITH THAT ISLAND THERE.
SO I WONDER IF YOU'D TAKE A LOOK AND MAYBE WE CAN REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL THEN KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT.
ALSO, THAT'S PROBABLY YOU GOING DOWN THERE, ALL THESE TASKS.
NUMBER ONE, I ALMOST JOKINGLY MENTIONED TO DANNY AND TO, UH, MR. HARTMAN, SOMETIME BACK THAT WE SHOULD JUST MAKE THE CITYWIDE SPEED LIMIT 25 AND PUT UP EXCEPTION SIGNS WHERE IT'S 35 BECAUSE WE KEEP CHANGING THEM ONE AT A TIME.
AND JUST, BUT ANYWAY, BE THAT AS IT MAY.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT IT IS NOT YET OPEN OF COURSE, TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU CAN'T DRIVE DOWN THERE, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN TO WATCH THE PROGRESS ON UNION POINT PARK, IT IS REALLY LOOKING NICE.
AND MR BALLENGER, WHO HAD A BIG HAND IN RAISING THE MONEY FOR US AND THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT, AND THEY'VE GOTTEN THE INDIVIDUAL BRICKS AND NOW WITH PEOPLE'S NAMES ON THEM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE, UH, THE, UH, LARGER CONCRETE AREA, DEDICATION STONES IN YET, BUT IT IS REALLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF WHEN, UH, WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED, IT'S LOOKING GREAT.
I WAS IN NEW YORK LAST WEEK, WHICH IS UNUSUAL COUNTRY TWICE IN THE LIGHT.
AND JUST BY CHANCE HAPPENED TO RUN INTO DAMN RIGHT BELIEVABLE AND HONEST TO GOD THIS, AND HE'S TALKED TO THIS JUST LIKE MAX
IT MAKES HE MAKES MORE MONEY THAN I EVER MADE IN TELEVISION.
YES, HE USED UP BEHIND HIM AND HE WAS, BUT HE WAS A LOT BETTER LOOKING IN PERSON.
I HAD TO RUN, RUN BACK TO THE MOTEL, LOOKING AT MY OWN FACE IN THE MIRROR, BUT, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY LATE, BUT I SWEAR HE HAD IT AND SAYING SAME BOYS, ROBERT D.
AND ONE THING HE THINKS I'M GOING TO FORGET IT.
THERE'S A GUY SITTING OUT THERE AND THEY AUDIT IT, WANTED TO KNOW OUR POSITION BECAUSE OF THE SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSY OVER RIVER BAND, TRYING TO ANNEX OR PROPOSING TO ANNEX THOSE AREAS OUT THERE.
AND THIS INDIVIDUAL IS BACK IN THE BACK OF THE GLASSES ON.
I HAPPENED TO LIVE THERE AND HE ASKED ME TODAY, IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO STAY IN OUR ACQUISITION FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN ATLANTA.
AND THEY THINK THAT WE'RE FIXING THE HACKS OR WHATEVER.
AND I JUST LIKE TO HAVE HIS BOARD SITE IT'S POSITIONED PUBLICLY AND WE STOPPED FROM THE CITY MANAGER.
AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT REHEARSED BECAUSE THERE IS WHAT IS OUR POSITION? WELL, I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY ANNEX IN A FORCEFUL ANNEX AND FOR THE NEXT FIVE, 10 YEARS ANYWAY.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CHANCE OF US EVER GOING OUT THERE IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, WHICH IS ABOUT THAT BEYOND THAT I CAN'T SLEEP BEYOND.
AND DOES THIS BOARD, DOES ANYBODY HERE?
I'VE EVER BEEN AT ANY DISCUSSION OF THIS BOARD IN WHICH THAT HAS EVER BEEN EVEN MITCH.
AND IF THERE, IF WE EVER BEEN WANTS TO USE THAT AS A SCARE TACTIC, OF COURSE THEY CAN.
BUT, UH, NO, I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THE PRESENCE OF ANY MEMBER OF THIS BOARD WHEN IT'S EVER BEEN DISCUSSED.
NO, I CAN TELL YOU ALL ONCE AGAIN, AND YOU'VE HAD FOUR, FOUR YEARS WORTH OF ME AND, UH, SOMEHOW MIRACULOUSLY, MIRACULOUSLY, I GOT BACK AGAIN, BUT WE JUST DON'T DO THINGS BY, I DON'T.
I MEAN, IF, IF, IF WE WERE EVEN THINKING ABOUT SUCH THINGS AS THAT,
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YOU WOULDN'T KNOW JUST BY OBSERVING US, YOU CAN SEE MAN SAID, WE TELL IT OUT.WE DON'T MEAN TO, WELL, ISN'T THE RULE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY TO US FOR.
UH, FOR THEM THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK TO BE ANNEX AND METHOD RULE.
BUT EVEN IN THAT CASE, IN THAT DEERFIELD SUBDIVISIONS CASE THERE, THE LAW SAYS THAT THEY CAN'T BE CLOSER TO ONE MUNICIPALITY THAN THEY ARE TO US.
IF THEY REQUEST ANNEXATION THAT WAY.
SO UNDER THE LAW, THEY COULDN'T EVEN BE ANNEXED BY PETITION.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MY POSITION ON MY POSITION ON ALL OF THESE CHARGES, THE CITY IS ANNEXATION HUNGRY, AND WE DO THIS AND WE DO THAT IS TO GO BACK AND CHECK THE RECORD.
THE TOWN IS ALMOST 300 YEARS OLD, PERHAPS A HUNDRED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME HERE IN 17, 10 FROM EUROPE.
BUT THE POPULATION OF NUBER NOW IS HAVING LUNCH 22,300 YEARS.
CHARLOTTE RALEIGH, THEY DIDN'T EXIST GREENSBORO.
I DON'T THINK THAT PAINTS A PICTURE OF A TOWN.
THAT'S VERY ANNEXATION, HUNGRY MYSELF TO GROW FROM A HUNDRED TO 20,000 IN 300 YEARS.
I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT WE LIGHT SLOW.
SMALL
THE CHIEF WAS THERE A FEW MINUTES AGO, KNOWS THAT, UH, JUST THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM, BECAUSE OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON AND ALL THE HIGHWAY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE GOT, OH, WE CAN HAVE BREATHE EASY IF YOU LIVE IN THAT AREA AND WORRY ABOUT NEW-BORN AND X AND YOU BREATHE EASY.
AS IN THE WORDS OF THE MAYOR, AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS. OKAY.
WELL, YOU'VE GOTTEN ME CONSCIOUS OF THE VOICE.
I WAS BEGINNING TO SOUND LIKE THE COTTON MILL BOY THAT I WAS LIKE, I GREW UP, UH, MEMBERS, BOARD.
UH, THIS IS THE RESOLUTION THAT METAPHORICALLY IS PASSED OUT.
AND I WAS HOPING I WOULD GET IT ON THE AGENDA IN TIME, BUT THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS THAT I NEEDED TO GET CLEARED UP AFTER WE OPENED BIDS.
UH, BUT UH, THIS RESOLUTION, UH, WOULD, UH, AUTHORIZED THE PURCHASE OF A NEW FRONT END LOADER.
THAT'D BE UTILIZED OUT OF THE YARD WASTE FACILITY.
UH, IT WAS BUDGETED THIS YEAR.
WE DID OPEN BEDS AND, UH, CLARIFIED, UH, ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD AND, UH, RW MO CAME IN AS LOW BID AND THEY'VE AGREED TO PROVIDE US A MACHINE AND IN VERY SHORT ORDER.
AND I RECOMMEND THAT, UH, WE GO AHEAD AND ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION SO WE CAN, THERE'S A PAINTED JOHN DEERE GREEN, JOHN DEERE.
I THINK WE NEED A VOICE VOTE FOR THAT ROLE.
I ALSO WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT DOMINANT, NOW CALL ME THIS MORNING AND HE SAID, SAY HELLO THERE