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FOR THIS GATHERING THIS TIME WE ASK FOR THE ASSURANCE OF YOUR HOLY PRESENCE AND YOUR BLESSING, THE WISDOM THAT YOU MIGHT DIRECT THIS BOARD AND CONTINUE TO LEAD THIS COMMUNITY AND TO ALL YOU WOULD HAVE HER TO BE IN OUR LORD'S NAME.
I MEAN,
AND IN FACT, WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL READ IT HERE SO THAT THEY CAN HEAR IT ON THE SCREEN.
IT SAYS, WHEREAS THE NEWMAN PRESERVATION FOUNDATION IS A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION DEVOTED TO PRESERVING NEWMAN'S ARCHITECTURE, ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE SPANNING THREE CENTURIES.
WHEREAS THE NEW-BORN PRESERVATION FOUNDATION, AUGUST, 1972 CELEBRATES ITS 25TH ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR.
WHEREAS THE FOUNDATION HAS SAVED OVER 50 HISTORIC RESIDENCES AND OTHER LANDMARK STRUCTURES FOR DEMOLITION AND THE, AND HAS SUCCESSFULLY RECLAIMED ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHEREAS THE FOUNDATION WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE DESIGNATION OF THE CITY'S GANTT AND RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOODS AS HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THEIR ENTRY INTO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 1988.
AND WHEREAS THE FOUNDATION WORKING ACTIVELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD INITIATIVES PROGRAM TO REHABILITATE RIVER STATION, TO DOWNTOWN RIVERSIDE CARD, OTHER THAN BLUES UNION STATION.
WHEREAS I STARTED THE SERVICES OF ITS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PASSPORTS, THE FOUNDATION IN COOPERATION WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, THE CITY OF NEWARK AND OTHER CONCERNED GROUPS AND CITIZENS IS HELPING IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF HOUSING IN THIS CITY.
NOW THERE FOR ITA BAYLESS MAYOR, THE CITY OF NEWMAN ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF ALL OF THEM SAID IT SET US AS A NEIGHBOR TO HEAR BY ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK THE BEAVER AND PRESERVATION FOUNDATION FOR HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE PRESERVATION IN THE CITY'S HISTORY.
I LIKE TO SAY IN THE FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN MAYOR, THAT'S THE LONGEST PROCLAMATION AND THERE'S A MASSIVE
SO I BLOCKED IT OUT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
WE DO WORK HARD AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE PEOPLE SAY THEY APPRECIATE IT.
DON'T LOSE MY PRESENTATION TO ALL THEM AND RICK BELDEN, BUT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT.
AND JUST FOR POSTERITY, IT'S LIKE, I GUESS WHAT I'D DONE IS SINCE RICK AND DONE A GOOD JOB FOR FOUR YEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOT A REAL GOOD JOB AS MAYOR PRO TEM, I FELT LIKE I GAVE YOU MY GAVEL, WHICH WAS TYPICALLY THE MAYOR GETS IT ON HIS WAY OUT, BUT I GAVE HIM THE GAVEL AND HAD IT MADE UP ON A PLAQUE THAT RECOGNIZES HIS FULL YEARS IS ALL THE MONEY ON HIS ONE YEAR.
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HIM AND, UH, TO USE THAT GAMBLE WHEN HE STOOD IN FOR HIM AND THIS YEAR, SEVERAL TIMES HE DID A REAL GOOD JOB.SO I'M SORRY, RICK'S NOT HERE TO GET IT PERSONALLY, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT HE GETS.
SO NEXT THING YOU GOT TO DO IS APPROVE THE MINUTES.
MINUTES, BE APPROVED SECOND MINUTES, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME CONTROVERSY ON THIS PRONUNCIATION.
SO WHAT THAT MEANT, THERE WERE ABOUT FOUR YEARS OF THE OLD BOWLING, WHICH WE WERE ALL MEMBERS, INCLUDING AND SIDE OF THE WORK OF THAT BOARD IN SPANISH.
BUT THE WORK OF THE NEW BOARD IS JUST BEGINNING.
AS SOON AS WE FORM A NEW BOARD AND TO DO THAT, WE'VE GOT TO CALL THE BUSINESS BACK IN THE ORDER AND SWEARING HAND AND CYCLE IN THE ZONE.
SO LET ME SEE, WHERE ARE WE THAT MS. JANE BOYD IS GONE THERE ACTUALLY COMEDIAN.
AND, UH, NOW THIS COULD BE A SCARY, ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVEN AFTER SHE SWEARS ME IN, I'LL BE OUT ON THE OFFICIAL OFFICIAL
PUT YOUR LEFT HAND ON THE BOTTOM OF THE RADIO STATION AND I WILL SUPPORT MAINTAIN THE CONSTITUTION, THE LAWS OF THE CONSTITUTION, LAWS OF NORTH CAROLINA, CONSISTENT THERE WITH IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE AS MAYOR
DO YOU SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY TO THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, CONSTITUTIONAL POWER ESTABLISHED FOR THE GOVERNMENT IN DEBORAH, CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES? THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
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SO I GUESS Y'ALL WOULD COME DOWN LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO.
LET'S SAY HERE, YOU GOT TO EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY HAS TO PUT IT ONE WAY.
ALL OF Y'ALL HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, AFTER I SAY HI, YOU INSERT YOUR OWN NAME.
I SAW MS. WIRE AND I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
UH, DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THEN I SUPPORT AND MAINTAIN THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF NORTH CAROLINA.
NOT INCONSISTENT THERE WITH THAT.
I WILL FAITHFULLY AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF MY OFFICE AS ALL THE ONE OF THE CITY OF NEWARK.
SO IT HELPED ME GO DO SOLEMNLY AND SINCERELY SWEAR, AND I WILL BE FAITHFUL IN BEAR TRUE ALLEGIANCE TO THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA AND TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWER AND AUTHORITIES, WHICH ARE, OR MAY BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE GOVERNMENT THERE.
AND THEN I WILL ENDEAVOR TO SUPPORT, MAINTAIN AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF SAD STATE, NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
SO HELP ME GO NOW, SHAKE HANDS WITH EACH ONE.
NOW WE'LL OPEN THE SECOND PAGE.
YOU HAVING A FATHER AS A BOBBY FOR YOU? THE PRECIOUS NAME OF JESUS HAD A PART OF IT.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THOSE BLESSINGS THAT YOU HAVE A, TO PUTTING US IN A PART OF POTTERY AS SUSPICIOUS BLESSEDNESS.
EVEN UPON THE CITY FATHERS, A LOT OF TOUCHED HIM IN A SPECIAL WAY OF THE FATHER HAD A PART.
WE REALIZED THAT THERE MAY BE DIFFICULT DAYS AHEAD, BUT LORD, WE KNOW IF THEY LOOK TO YOU, EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL RIGHT IN A PLACE THAT YOU GUIDE AND DIRECT THEM IN THE RIGHT WAY UP IN THE FATHER OR IN THE UNIT TODAY.
STRENGTH THE THAT DIDN'T REALIZE, OH LORD, THAT THEY NEED YOU HAVING A FATHER AND NEED EACH OTHER.
ALL UP IN FALLON DAYS ARE DONE ON THIS SIDE.
CAN'T CALL UPON YOUR NAME ANYMORE.
PLEASE COME SEE US IN YOUR KINGDOM
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AND UPON US AND THE BLESSING.NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENTS BY THE BOARD MEMBERS.
SO I'LL START A NOAA NORMALLY DO AT NIGHT.
AND SO MR.
I'D LIKE TO PASS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FIRST TO MY COLLEAGUE, MS. ALDERMAN OF BARBARA LEE, BECAUSE AT THE ONE OF THE FORUMS WE HAD BEFORE THE ELECTION, SHE SAID THAT THE MAN ALWAYS GETS TO SPEAK FIRST.
AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FIRST, BUT I WANT TO PAT, PAT, I WANT TO SPEAK LAST.
SO IF I CAN, WOULD YOU GO AHEAD? CERTAINLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPOSED TO STAND, BUT I'M HONORED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE.
ONCE AGAIN, I THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR ALLOWING ME TO TALK.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY TIME I'M GOING TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT TAKING YOUR MEDS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING THE CITY OF NEWBURN AND ESPECIALLY THE FIFTH WARD FOR ANOTHER TERM, AS ALDERMAN, I AM SOLICITING YOUR SUPPORT.
I BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO BE EFFECTIVE, AS PEOPLE WHO LEAD OUR CITY, WE NEED THE INPUT OF THE CITIZENS WE REPRESENT.
I THINK IT'S A COLLECTIVE KIND OF THING.
THAT KIND OF THING, WHERE I HAVE CONCERNS WHEN YOU HAVE CONCERNS AND WHEN YOU HAVE CONCERNS, YOU CALL AND LET ME KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
AND TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE CHANGES IN OUR CITY.
I'M PROUD OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND BEEN HAPPENING.
I SERVED WITH A GREAT BOARD OF TALKING MEN AND WE, OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH A FEW THINGS.
I FEEL VERY PROUD OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
THE PROGRESS THAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
WE DON'T WANT ANY PROBLEMS OR ANY ANIMOSITY WITH ANYONE.
WE DON'T THINK WE KNOW EVERYTHING.
AND THEN I ASK HIM, SEE WHAT IT IS THAT WE SHOULD DO FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE PEOPLE.
SO I PLEDGE MYSELF TO YOU FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS TO DO, TO SERVE AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND SEND THIS IS YOUR HELP IN DOING THAT.
WELL, JUST CALL ME, TELL ME WHAT TO THINK, WHAT I SHOULD DO, WHAT KIND OF PROJECTS WE CAN WORK ON TOGETHER.
I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT I DO NOT OFFEND ANYONE AND BY REMAINING SEATED, BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG, HARD DAY AND I'M WORN OUT.
BUT I ATTENDED A MEETING THIS MORNING OF THE REGIONAL WASTEWATER TASK FORCE.
AND SEVERAL PEOPLE APPEARED THERE WHO TOOK ISSUE WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE MEETINGS SAYING, DO PEOPLE REPRESENT CITIES AND COUNTIES, ET CETERA.
AND I MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO THEM AS I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE THAT I REALLY DON'T REPRESENT THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
THE CITY OF NEWBURN DOESN'T EXIST AS SOME LIVING ENTITY.
IT'S MERELY A GEOGRAPHIC AREA, A LINE DRAWN ON A MAP WHICH COVERS, WHICH SURROUNDS A CERTAIN PIECE OF LAND ON THAT PROPERTY.
IT WAS A SEGMENT OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED ME TO BE THEIR VOICE HERE BECAUSE THE ROOM WOULDN'T HOLD EVERYONE, EVERYONE COULDN'T HAVE A VOTE IT'S REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I INTEND TO DO.
I INTEND TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY CALL ME AND I'M EASY TO REACH BY PHONE.
I INTEND TO DO MY BEST TO REPRESENT THEM WITH LOGIC AND SENSIBILITY.
I THANK THE PEOPLE WHO HAD ENOUGH CONFIDENCE IN ME TO VOTE FOR MY REELECTION.
I WON'T GO INTO NAMES BECAUSE THERE WERE MANY OF THEM.
AND I CERTAINLY LOVE EVERY ONE OF THEM AND APPRECIATE THEM GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY DURING THIS NEXT FOUR YEARS, THE TWO THINGS THAT MATTER TO ME THE MOST, I GUESS, IF I HAD TO PICK OUT TWO ITEMS ARE THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS OF THE CITY, AND WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT.
AND WE JUST WANT TO ASSURE YOU, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT, THAT WORK TOWARD STRAIGHTENING OUT THE PROBLEM AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AND THE SECOND IS, UH, DOING WHAT WE CAN TO CORRECT THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH OUR VALUABLE WATER RESOURCES.
THOSE ARE THE TWO MAJOR ITEMS, NOT JUST
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WITH ME.THE ENTIRE BOARD LOOKS UPON THESE, AS THEY'VE SAID, MANY TIMES AS TO MAJOR ISSUES.
AND YOU CAN COUNT ON US TO DO OUR BEST TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS WITHIN OUR HUMAN ABILITIES.
AND THIRD, I WOULD LIKE TO PASS ALONG A MESSAGE TO SUE HARDISON, THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER'S SECRETARY, WHO COULD NOT BE HERE FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ELECTED TO THIS SEAT, I WAS IN HER OFFICE ONE DAY.
AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE AND IT EMBARRASSES HER.
AND I DON'T MEAN FOR IT TO, BECAUSE SHE'S A VERY SWEET LADY.
SHE SAID, WELL, MR. FREEZE, I JUST REALIZED YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE OLDEST PERSON ON THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
AND FOR SOME TIME I HAVE BEEN, BUT I JUST WANT SUE TO BE AWARE.
I AM NOW THE THIRD OLDEST MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
AND SINCE WE HAVE A GROUP, A POPULATION IN THE NEWBURN AREA, WHICH IS GROWING A LITTLE OLDER WITH THE RETIREES, ET CETERA, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE HERE NOW IN THEIR SIXTIES, AND WE'RE GROWING IN STRENGTH.
WE WERE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF YOU, FOLKS WHO ARE GETTING ALONG IN YEARS AND THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
AND I WILL DO MY UTMOST TO SERVE YOU AND FEEL FREE TO CALL ME ANYTIME YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
I DO NOT REPRESENT JUST THE PEOPLE OF THE THIRD WARD.
WE ALL REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF NEWBURN, ALL OF THEM.
SO IF, IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, I'M, I'M GLAD TO LISTEN.
UH, I SERVED EIGHT YEARS UP HERE BEFORE AND MY POLICY THEN WAS TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.
AND, UH, AND ONE OF THOSE OLD FELLOWS THAT'S RETIRED AND AVAILABLE WHEN YOU CALL ME TO COME OUT AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROBLEM AND THE DRIVE TO THE SERVICE, I FIND BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE RESIDENTS AND VOTERS OF THE SECOND WAR FOR REELECTING ME TO MY FIFTH TERM, AS ALDERMAN IN REELECTION, ME KIND OF MAKE YOU DO WERE KIND OF A PART OF HISTORY AS A RESULT OF MY BEING ELECTED.
I AM THE LONGEST SERVING AFRICAN-AMERICAN THIS CENTURY AND REALLY THE LONGEST SERVING EVER CONTINUOUS SERVING ALBAN WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN ALDERMAN EVER.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY THAT I'M KIND OF PROUD OF, BUT AS A REPRESENTATIVE, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I LOOK AT MY SERVICE AS BEING A FIDUCIARY OR BEEN IN A FIDUCIARY CAPACITY WITH VIEW AS CITIZENS AND ME AS ALDERMAN.
WHEN I SAY FIDUCIARY, THAT MEANS I AM IN A POSITION OF TRUST.
AND THAT MEANS THAT WHEN YOU PAY YOUR TAXES, YOU AND TRUST ME TO USE MY BEST JUDGMENT ON HOW YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT.
AND I PLEDGE TO YOU THAT I WILL USE MY BEST JUDGMENT TO ENSURE THAT YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE SPENT TO ENHANCE YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE, WHICH IS WHAT MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT IS ALL ABOUT.
MAKING SURE THAT YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE SPENT IN A WAY THAT WILL ENHANCE YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
GRAND STANDING, US TRYING TO POSTURE FOR TELEVISION AND NEWSPAPER IS ABOUT OUR USING OUR BEST JUDGMENT FOR YOUR BENEFIT.
AND I THANK YOU FOR ELECTED REELECTION.
MEAN MANY OF YOU HAVE CALLED ME SINCE THE ELECTION.
AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I HAVE RECEIVED SO MANY TELEPHONE CALLS, BUT I CAN'T RETURN ALL OF THEM IN A TIMELY FASHION.
I HAVE NOT ADEQUATELY EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED ME, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM ME THAT I AM GRATEFUL.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN, IT COULD BE VERY EASY TO SAY DITTO TO EVERYONE AND I'LL BE THROUGH, BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR ELECTING ME FOR ANOTHER TERM.
UM, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY EIGHT YEARS AGO.
I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE IN THIS POSITION, BUT, UH, MY COUNTERPART HERE, ROBERT HAD TALKED ME INTO IT ONE EVENING TO RUNNING FOR ALDERMAN.
SO I GUESS I'LL STAY HERE AS LONG AS HE STAYS HERE.
UH, BUT YEAH, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE VOTERS FOR, UH, SUPPORTING ME AND ALSO SUPPORTING BOARD.
UH, ALSO WE, I MYSELF WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR, UH, SHARING YOUR PROBLEM AND ALLOW ME TO RESPOND TO YOU.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TRUSTING ME WITH THIS POSITION.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WAS CREATED EIGHT YEARS AGO, WE'RE CONTINUING THAT PARTNERSHIP IS NOT WITH JUST DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, BUT IT'S ALSO WITH, UH, PRIVATE ORGANIZATION, UH, COMMUNITY GROUPS, UH, ANY ORGANIZATION THAT IS HERE
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TO SUPPORT THE CITY.WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THOSE GROUPS.
UM, AND ONE LAST THING, UH, ON ELECTION NIGHT AFTER IT WAS OVER AT ROBERT AND I WERE SITTING TALKING, AND MY OPPONENT RECEIVED 77 VOLTS.
AND ROBERT SAYS, YOU GOT 77 ENEMIES.
AND I TOLD ROBINSON, NAH, HOPEFULLY THESE FOUR YEARS I'LL GET TO MEET THOSE FOUR.
AND MAYBE THEY VOTED FOR THE OTHER MAN, CAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW ME.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR WILL BE A GREAT YEAR FOR ALL OF US.
AND REMEMBER LIKE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SAID, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR OURSELVES, WE'RE HERE FOR YOU AND FOR THE CITY OF NEWARK.
FIRST OF ALL, I LIKE TO THANK THE VOTERS OF THE FOURTH WARD HAVE VOTED FOR ME, PUT ME IN OFFICE.
UH, ALSO WANT TO THANK THE VOTERS THAT VOTED FOR MR. STEWART, WHO WAS MY OPPONENT, BECAUSE THEY DID COME OUT AND REGISTER THEIR VOTES AND UH, AT LEAST EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS I'D LIKE TO REMIND THOSE FOLKS THAT DID NOT VOTE.
AND IT WAS A GREAT DEAL OF PEOPLE THAT DID NOT VOTE.
AND I'D LIKE TO REMIND THEM THAT EVERY TIME THEY TURN ON THE TAP, FLUSH THE TOILET, TURN ON THEIR ELECTRICITY, RIDE DOWN OUR SAFE STREETS.
IT'S ALL A FUNCTION OF CITY, GOVERNMENT.
AND WE HOPE THAT WE WOULD GET THEIR SUPPORT IN THE FUTURE.
WE TRY VERY HARD TO SERVE ALL THE CONSTITUENTS IN ALL, WHETHER THEY VOTE OR NOT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE NEXT ELECTION, THE PEOPLE REMEMBER THAT IF THEY DON'T LIKE ANYTHING, WE DO COME OUT AND TELL US.
BUT IN THE NEXT ELECTION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WHOLE LOT MORE SUPPORT FOR THIS.
THE MEMBERS, THE BOARD THAT ARE UP HERE TRYING TO DO THEIR BEST, THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO WITHIN A PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS AND THE RULE OF LAW.
I WENT TO MY FIRST CONVENTION, NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES THIS PAST WEEK.
AND THE THEME OF THE CONVENTION WAS TO DRAIN, TO DARE AND TO DO WELL TO DREAM.
I'M NOT A, I'M NOT A VISIONARY, I'M A REALIST AND I'M NOT GOING TO DARE ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU WIND UP BEING HEARD IF YOU DARE PEOPLE TO DO THINGS, BUT I WANT TO BE KNOWN AS A DOER.
AND THAT WITH THE SUPPORT OF THIS BOARD, WE WILL DO THOSE THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT FOR THE CITY OF NEW BERN.
AND IF I CAN COIN A, IF I CAN PARAPHRASE THE CITY'S MOTTO, A SOUTHERN SURPRISE.
WELL, THE FACT THAT I'M HERE IS A SOUTHERN SURPRISE AND I HOPE THAT I CAN SERVE ALL THE CITIZENS IN NEWBURN.
ALTHOUGH I'M BASICALLY A FOURTH WARD REPRESENTATIVE, I LOVE THIS CITY AND I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
I JUST LIKE TO SAY, I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE MAYOR WHEN I WAS IN THE FIRST GRADE.
I DIDN'T THINK I'D BE THE MAYOR FOUR YEARS AGO.
WELL, I'D BE A MAYOR TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO, BUT I WAS VERY HUMBLED AND SURPRISED.
I DON'T REALLY MATTER HOW TO PUT IT IN WORDS, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT KNOWN AS A PERSON IS AT A LACK FOR IS GENERALLY, BUT I'M NOT TOO GOOD AT THIS KIND OF THING.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY AT LEVEL REALIZED THAT THE PRIDE NOT TAKING THAT, NOT PRIDE FOR ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL WITH PRIDE, BECAUSE I THINK THINK PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT I WAS TRYING TO REPRESENT AND DO REPRESENT INTEGRITY AND HONESTY WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNMENT AND WHAT OUR FOREFATHERS HAD IN MIND AND JUST GOT THROUGH THE FORM OF GREAT THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE COULD GOVERN THEMSELVES.
AND THE WHOLE WORLD DIDN'T BELIEVE IT.
NOBODY BELIEVED IT THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE A KING OR SOME KIND OF MONARCH.
AND YOU SAY, WE CAN'T DO IT LEFT ALONE.
AND ESPECIALLY US PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, YOU KNOW, MIXED ALL TOGETHER AND IT CAN'T BE DONE.
AND IN FACT THAT I BECAME THE STRONGEST CAPPING IN THE WORLD WHEN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD AND EVERY NOW AND THEN THINGS GO ASTRAY, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE FRAMEWORK IS BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE, THE STUCK IN THE FRAMEWORK AND TRY TO PRETEND I WAS IN SORT OF THE SAME, BUT IT WAS A GREAT SOCIAL EXPERIMENT IN MY OWN MIND.
AND THAT WAS THAT IF SOMEBODY COULD TRY TO DO THINGS IN AN HONEST WAY AND WITH INTEGRITY AND WITH THAT GREAT DREAM THAT PEOPLE HAD THE TRUE WITH ALL MEN ARE CREATED AND IS NEVER TESTED ANYMORE THAN WHEN PEOPLE COME BEFORE.
AND IT'S A KIND OF A BOARD OR BAR OR WHATEVER, BE AT THE BOARD OF ALL OF THEM.
ONE OF THE COURTROOM OR, OH, WELL UNITED, DOES IT MEAN ANYTHING THAT SOMEBODY MAKES MORE MONEY THAN THE OVEN? DOES IT MEAN ANYTHING? CAUSE THIS ONE HAS A TITLE OR POSITION OR LIVES IN A BIG
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HOUSE OR A SMALL HOUSE WITH A GREAT TASK.AND IT WILL HAPPEN HERE THE NIGHT BEFORE THE NIGHT AND THIS VERY THING THAT WE HAVE IT, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU AS LONG AS WE'RE ALIVE ON THIS BOWL, I DON'T KNOW HOW CAN YOU SPEAK MANY ON THE BOYS ANYWHERE ELSE, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SUPREME COURT, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LOWEST BOARD THERE IS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHERE THIS BOARD AND WHEN YOU COME BEFORE US, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE TREATED ABSOLUTELY WITH EVERYTHING THAT, UH, THOSE SEVERAL PIECES OF PAPER WE SWORE TO GUARANTEE THAT YOU'LL HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOPE WE DIDN'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY.
I KNOW I LAUGH AND JOKE A LOT.
THAT WAS BROUGHT OUT A LITTLE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, BUT I'M SERIOUS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS BUSINESS THAT WE PLAY UP HERE.
AND, UH, I LIKE TO TELL YOU TO LET YOU IN ON ANOTHER LITTLE SECRET WHEN I WAS A KID, I REMEMBER, UH, SCIENTISTS, GOOGLE, SOMETHING WHERE KNOW THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SOLID, SOLID UNCLE'S ASS.
YOU KNOW WHAT? HE COULD EXPECT THE BOWS FROM GOD.
AND HE SAID WISDOM TO GOVERNANCE, PETE.
AND EVEN AS A LITTLE KID, EIGHT, NINE YEARS OLD OR WHATEVER, I TOOK THAT AS IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT STUCK IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMEBODY CALL IT THE SOUTH POINT TOO LONG BUT ANYWAY, IT'S GOOD.
BUT YOUR FIRE MARSHALL, WHY DON'T WE LEARN? I ALWAYS TOOK VERY SERIOUS.
IT WAS WHEN I ASKED FOR WISDOM TO GOVERN THESE PEOPLE.
AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT AS A KID, YOU KNOW, AND SIT BACK, PLEASE GO AT THE UNITED.
I ASKED THE RICHES OF THEY OR THAT, OR WHAT DID YOU ASK FOR? WHAT IS IT? THE GOVERNMENT IS PETE AND SOMETHING THAT ALWAYS STUCK IN MY MIND AND NEVER DREAMED THAT I WOULD EVER HAVE.
YOU SET MYSELF UP FOR SOME ODD REASON.
AND I'M GONNA LET Y'ALL IN ON A LITTLE SECRET AND I'M NOT WANTING TO BE TOO MUSHY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT EVERY NIGHT AND I HIT IT FOR THIS MEETING.
I ASKED HIM TO GIVE ME THE WISDOM TO REACH THE RIGHT DECISION.
AND I WILL LET YOU SOME OF YOU KNOW, THAT HE'D COME UP.
THEY MAY HAVE AN AD IN THE GROCERY STORE ONE TIME AND THEY FELT THAT IT WAS A REAL GOOD JOB.
I DID THAT ELEVATE ON TV OR WHATEVER I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I THINK THAT PRAYER HAS BEEN ANSWERED.
HOWEVER, I ALSO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT EVERY NIGHT AND HE LETS ME ON MY OWN JUST TO SEE WHAT BUT HONEST TO GOD AND NO PUN INTENDED.
THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US IN THIS SMALL TOWN TO SHARE THE WHOLE CAR.
ONE THING YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE YOU CAN DO JUST MIRACULOUS STUFF AND GET ALONG, RIGHT.
BE HONEST AND DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY.
AND I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT OUR BOARD BELIEVING BEHIND THE SCENES AND IN FRONT OF THE SCENES, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, EVERYTHING ELSE, I JUST WISH SOMETIMES THAT LIGHT CAN SHINE ON ALL 11 SCHOLARS WOULD BE PROUD OF WHAT WENT ON.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO THAT FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS AND DO A LOT BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE ALL DRIVEN WITH LEARNERS.
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CITY MANAGER.
SO THAT MEANS WE DON'T HAVE, HE'S DONE A REAL GOOD JOB AT ACTUALLY WE TRIED TO TAKE CREDIT FOR MOST OF THE STUFF HE DOES, BUT WE DON'T ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH IT.
SO HERE, SO MOOD THAT WE REAPPOINT MR. WILLIAM HARTMAN, WALTER HARTMAN, CITY MANAGER.
AND THAT'S WHAT MADE THE CITY FINANCE DIRECTOR, MARILYN TO MAKE A MOTION WILL BE A VERY BRECCIA CITY.
SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ROAD PLEASE? YES.
UM, AND THE NEXT ONE IS A CITY ATTORNEY, BUT I WOULD THINK EVER SINCE 1950 SOMETHING, DO WE REALLY MAKE A GOOD POINT? I'M GOING TO REAPPOINT ALE.
WHAT IS THE, UH, WELL, THE WARD SCENE HAS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, I ONLY WANT THE JOB.
I JUST THOUGHT HAVE TO ALL THESE YEARS HE
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WAS AUTOMATICALLY.IT FEELS GOOD TO HAVE SOMEBODY WITH AWARDS EXPERIENCE AT NIGHT.
WE HAVE A SILENCE WHEN TIMES GET TOUGH.
I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT.
MS. VICKI JOHNSON, THE CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL, UM, I'M A LIAR.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ARE PUT DONNA MCCOY AS A CITY TAX COLLECTED.
SECOND, IS HE HERE?
IT SAYS ADMINISTRATION OFFICE BY AND THAT'S ALL AT ONCE.
Y'ALL GET OUT AND Y'ALL GET OUT AND GATHER AT THE PODIUM LIKE WE DID.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO CAUSE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM CHECKING THE SAFETY.
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THE LENDER.LAST THING WE HAVE ALWAYS BRIGHTFUL PERCEPTION IS THE COLOR OF THE MAYOR PRO TEM.
AND HE COME IN HERE JUST A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, BEFORE WE TAKE OUR BREAK, I WOULD LIKE 60 SECONDS.
IF I MAY, YOU CAN FIND THAT IN YOUR HEART.
WHEN I MENTIONED THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED ME A WHILE BACK, I HAVE BEEN BLESSED IN LIFE BY HAVING FOUR WONDERFUL DAUGHTERS WHO NEVER PRESENTED ME WITH A MOMENT'S TROUBLE.
AND NOW THEY ARE YOUNG WOMEN WITH FAMILIES OF THEIR OWN.
TWO OF THEM HAPPENED TO BE HERE TODAY.
AND I CERTAINLY WANT TO TAKE THE, THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DONE THIS SINCE I WAS FIRST ELECTED IN 1985, TO RECOGNIZE THEM.
ONE OF THEM IS MICHELLE COLLINS, WHO IS MICHELLE? WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND? I PROMISE YOU I'LL NEVER DO THIS TO YOU AGAIN.
THIS IS THE ONLY TIME I'VE DONE THIS AND HER DAUGHTER, HANNAH, WHO IS THE YOUNG LADY WITH THE RED SWEATER.
WHO'S BEEN CRAWLING AROUND ON THE FLOOR AND WITH THE RED SWEATER, MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER, JODIE PICKETT,
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AND MY YOUNGEST GRANDSON, MY YOUNGEST GRANDCHILD, CORTLAND MCSWAIN HOOD, CARRYING BACK TO OUR SCOTTISH ANCESTRY.AND TOO, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE MOST SUPPORTIVE MOST PATIENT LONG SUFFERING, WONDERFUL WOMAN I HAVE EVER MET IN MY LIFE.
MY SWEET WIFE, FRANCIS B MAYO.
NAH, I GOT TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING OR THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THAT ANCESTRY OF THIS AND THAT.
WE'RE NOT TOO SURE NO, I JUST WANTED TO THANK MY GRANDSON FOR MAKING THIS ROLE.
AND I WORE IT AT NIGHT FOR THEM.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT ARTISTIC TALENT.
THEY CERTAINLY DIDN'T GET FROM MY SIDE OF THE FAMILY, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT EVERYBODY HAS SOMEWHERE STILL IN ALL THAT THEIR GRANDPA IS THE MAYOR.
AND IN FACT, I MENTIONED THAT IN 1 91 TIME, ONE OF THEM SAID FIRST YEAR I WAS MAYOR WHEN I GREW UP ON BEING MAYOR, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE FAT RIGHT NOW FOR THE RESECTION.
AND WHAT THIS MEANS IS ALL OF YOU CAME TO SAY THIS CEREMONY AND SO FORTH AND GROUND, WELL, I'LL TALK TO EACH OTHER AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AFTER RECEPTION AND DO ARRESTED.
NO FORGET WE HAVE CAKE FOR THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE.
IS THAT STILL ON NEXUS 30 SECONDS? BACK INTO ORDER AFTER OUR SESSION.
I BELIEVE WAS EVEN REAL BAD AND HAD TO LEAVE.
SO WE'LL BE MISSING THERE FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING.
FIRST THING WE HAVE IS THE REQUEST AND PETITION OF CITIZENS.
AND WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T LET SPEAK FIRST AND WE HAD SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK BEFORE THE FIRST, THE, BEFORE THE FOREST, IF YOU WILL COME UP AND GIVE US THE 45 SECOND, UH, DO YOU WANTED TO GIVE US THANK YOU FOR THE AMENDMENT? I JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND SAY, UH, TO LET THE BOARD AND THE MAYOR KNOW AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AT YOUR PRIOR MEETING, THE PREVIOUS BOARD PASSED A RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT THE AMERICAN HERITAGE RIVERS INITIATIVE, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, MYSELF AND STEVE HICKS WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND GEORGIANA BIRCHER WERE WORKING ON, UM, TO NOMINATE THE LOWER NEUSE RIVER ESTUARY, WHICH WAS FROM GREATER NEWBURGH TO HAVE LOCK TO ORIENTAL.
UM, IT'S A PROBLEM THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON HAS, UM, AND STATED, AND HE WILL ANNOUNCE THE WINNERS IN HIS STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS.
IN FEBRUARY, THERE WILL BE 10 RIVERS THAT WILL BE NOMINATED AS AN AMERICAN HERITAGE RIVER.
UH, IT WAS BASICALLY A 15 PAGE GRANT THAT HAD TO BE WRITTEN.
AND YOU HAD TO HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM A BROAD RANGE OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE POLITICIANS AND LOCAL OFFICIALS AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.
UM, IT WAS A LOT OF WORK, BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, TOMORROW AT 7:00 PM IS THE DEADLINE.
IT MUST BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE BY 7:00 PM, CANNOT JUST BE POSTMARKED.
UH, THERE WERE TWO OR THREE OF US THAT DID A GREAT DEAL OF WORK ON IT, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT, THAT HELPED US OUT, INCLUDING THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
WE FINISHED IT BY HAND, CARRIED IT MYSELF AT TWO MINUTES TIL SIX, THIS EVENING TO THE FEDEX OFFICE.
AND IT'S GUARANTEED TO BE THERE BY 10 30 IN THE MORNING.
SO I THOUGHT I WOULD LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE DID IN FACT, ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH IT.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR RESOLUTION FOR THE SUPPORT AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HEAR IN FEBRUARY, BUT IT WILL BE ANNOUNCED IN THE STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS STILL WE GOT QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE AT NIGHT FOR SEVERAL, UH, THINGS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.
I WAS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE, UH, RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES REQUEST UP TO NEXT.
AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE PETITION AND CITIZENS AS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CITIZENS WE'VE GOT RANDOMLY, THAT TYPE OF THING.
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THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, AND ALL OF THEM.AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH THE BOARD THROUGH THE CLERK.
I SERVE AS PASTOR FOR CHURCH HERE IN NEWBURGH AND HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES.
UH, THIS YEAR I LIKE, UH, JOHN PIERCE TO JOIN ME HERE IS THE INCOMING PRESIDENT PRESIDENT ELECT OF RCS.
AND I WOULD ALSO JUST MAYOR AND BOARD, UH, LIKED TO ACKNOWLEDGE, RECOGNIZE SONIA MOORE.
I RETIRED EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF RCF UH, INCOMING ADMINISTRATOR, BOBBY HEWLETT WHO'S WITH US WELL JUDY KING, OUR SHELTER DIRECTOR AND ROBERT JOHNSON, ONE OF OUR MANAGERS AND, UM, APPRECIATE THEM.
ALSO ONE OF OUR SHELTER MANAGERS, RICHARD'S NOT HERE CAUSE HE GONE, HE HAD TO LEAVE.
WE ALSO HAD SEVEN OF OUR SHELTER GUESTS THAT WERE WITH US, BUT THEY UNDER CURFEW.
AND WHEN YOU TOOK YOUR RECEPTION, THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO THE SHELTER AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO STAY OUT LONGER, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO INTRODUCE THEM.
AND SEVERAL OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE HERE SUPPORTING OUR REQUEST BEFORE YOU, UH, THIS EVENING AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, UH, GENTLEMEN, UH, FUNDS ARE DRYING UP ON FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL IN TERMS OF HELPING MANY CAUSES, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA, BUT NETHERLANDS, UH, OUR INCOMING ADMINISTRATOR JUST RETURNED FROM A TWO DAY, UH, CONFERENCE IN RALEIGH INDICATING THAT, UH, WORKFARE AND WELFARE REFORM IS NOT SPEAKING TO THE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS AS IT SHOULD.
UH, WE HAVE SPONSORED BY RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES, A SHELTER FOR THE HOMELESS IN WHICH WE AVERAGE.
UM, UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE 14 PEOPLE.
WE AVERAGE AROUND 11 PEOPLE YEAR ROUND.
UH, BUT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR, UH, WE ARE AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF 14 RESIDENTS.
THEY CAN STAY UP TO SIX WEEKS, UH, IN OUR SHELTER PROVIDED, PROVIDED THEY, UH, INVOLVED THEMSELVES ENROLL IN A PROGRAM OF EMOTIONAL, UH, RESTORATION OF HEALTH THROUGH NOOSE MENTAL HEALTH.
UH, IF THEY HAVE AN ADDICTION, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GO TO ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS OR NARCOTICS ANONYMOUS OR BOTH.
UH, THEY WORK WITH EMPLOYMENT SECURITY AND VOCATIONAL REHAB AND TRYING TO FIND PLACEMENT AND TRAINING, UH, AND PLACEMENT FOR WORK.
MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT STAY AT OUR SHELTER, WE HAVE MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN THAT STAY AT THE SHELTER DOWN ON BROAD STREET.
MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT TRANSIENTS.
THEY ARE NATIVES OR THEY ARE CITIZENS OF NUBER.
ONE OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS THAT THE SHELTER HAS IS THAT IT'S A TRAVELER'S AID KIND OF THING.
VERY FEW OF OUR GUESTS AT THE SHELTER ARE PASSING THROUGH.
THEY ARE CITIZENS OF NEWBURGH THAT DO NOT HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO LIVE.
UM, WE ARE PRESENTLY SERVING, UH, WITH A BUDGET OF ABOUT $52,000 FOR THE SHELTER ALONG AND, UH, OF THAT, UH, BUDGET AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE AVERAGING STAYING IN THE SHELTER, UH, PER YEAR, UH, OVER 400 DIFFERENT PEOPLE STAYED PER YEAR.
UM, IN THE SHELTER, IT COST ABOUT $15 AND A HALF PER NIGHT PER GUEST TO HOUSE INDIVIDUALS AT THE SHELTER.
I'VE COME TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF 54 CONGREGATIONS THAT ARE MEMBERS OF RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES REQUESTING THE CITY TO GIVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO ASSISTING OUR HOMELESS SHELTER FINANCIALLY.
UM, I COME REQUESTING $10,000 OF CITIZENS MONEY THAT YOU ADMINISTER TO GO, UH, TO BE DESIGNATED, UH, IN THIS PRESENT PHYSICAL YEAR, UH, FOR, UH, THE HOMELESS SHELTER.
I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN FOR THEIR SUPPORT IN THE PAST, I'M ESPECIALLY APPRECIATIVE.
WE ARE ESPECIALLY APPRECIATIVE OF
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THE, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.UH, THEY SCREENED MOST OF OUR GUESTS FOR US, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT COME IN AFTER HOURS.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT AND THE SERVICES THAT WE GET, UH, FROM, UM, THE NEWBURN POLICE DEPARTMENT IN DOING THAT.
UH, IF WE DID NOT HAVE THIS SHELTER IN NEWBURGH, THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE ON THE STREETS AND IF THEY WERE ON THE STREETS, THEY WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
WELL, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY.
14 PEOPLE ARE OUT OF TROUBLE TONIGHT AND OUT OF JAIL AND WILL NOT GET IN TROUBLE IN THIS CITY BECAUSE OF THE HOMELESS SHELTER ON BROAD STREET, THE CITY HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN SEEING THIS SHELTER, UH, SURVIVE.
AND IF NECESSARY TO, UH, INCREASE IN TERMS OF ITS SERVICE AND MINISTRY.
I'M COMING TO ASK FOR FUNDS TONIGHT FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE TWO YEARS AGO, WE WERE RECEIVING $34,000 IN GRANTS FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT THAT HAS BEEN CUT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS FROM, FROM 34 30 $9,000 TO THOUSAND DOLLARS.
OUR MEMBER CONGREGATIONS ARE PRESENTLY GIVING OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN CASH TO RCS IS ALL OF RCS HAS MINISTRIES.
AND WE HAVE VOLUMES OF MEN, UH, A NUMBER OF MINISTRIES THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN.
UH, WE NEED TO FIND ADDITIONAL SOURCES OF INCOME AND IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR MUNICIPALITIES, SUCH AS NEWBURN, UH, TO SUPPORT FINANCIALLY HOMELESS SHELTERS.
UH, WE PROPOSE THAT, UH, FOR RCS TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THE KIND OF NOT ONLY SAFE LODGING FOR THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS, BUT A PROCESS WHEREBY THEY CAN BE RESTORED AND BECOME PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS IN THIS COMMUNITY, UH, THROUGH, UH, INDIVIDUALLY GROUP THERAPY, THROUGH JOB TRAINING, THROUGH HELPING THEM TO FIND A JOB.
THEY MOVE MOST OF OUR OVER HALF OF OUR SHELTER, GUESTS MOVE FROM THE SHELTER INTO HALFWAY HOUSES AND THEN FROM HALFWAY HOUSES ALL IN, ON THEIR OWN IN TERMS OF FINDING THEIR OWN, UH, LODGING AND BEING TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEMSELVES.
SO IT'S NOT JUST AN OVERNIGHT STAY IN WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE.
UM, AT PRESENT RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY SERVICES PUTS OVER $48,000 A YEAR BACK INTO, UM, UH, SERVICES THAT WE RAISE, UH, WE PAY FOR FROM THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
AND IN TERMS OF ELECTRICAL SERVICES, 24,000 OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SERVICES THAT WE OURSELVES USE IN TERMS OF OUR BUILDINGS.
AND 24,000 OF THAT GOES TO HELP PAY ELECTRIC BILLS OF INDIGENT PERSONS AND PERSONS THAT ARE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND THE CRACKS, AND, UH, WOULD HAVE THEIR, UM, UH, HEAT AND AIR TURNED OFF BECAUSE OF, UH, THEY'RE NEGLIGENT IN TERMS OF THEIR, THEIR BILLS, IF WE DID NOT HELP.
UM, SO I COME ON BEHALF OF OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS REQUESTING THAT THIS BOARD GIVE CONSIDERATION, UH, TO, UH, LAUDING $10,000.
THEN YOU CAN GIVE US THAT ALL AT ONE TIME, IF YOU WANT TO, OR YOU, YOU CAN GET IT TO US A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH OVER 12 MONTHS.
NOW I KNOW THAT ADDS UP TO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FIGURE, BUT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT I'M A PREACHER AND THAT'S HOW I FIGURE THINGS.
UM, WE'D ALSO LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, UM, UH, UH, DURING THIS SEASON OF GIVING TO, UH, LOOK AT THE $6,000 A YEAR, WE PAY IN TERMS OF UTILITIES TO KEEP THE SHELTER WARM IN THE WINTER AND COOL IN THE SUMMER THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US SOME SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IN THAT AREA.
SO I'VE SHARED SOME INFORMATION IN TERMS OF STATISTICS WITH YOU, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO RESPOND, JOHN, AND I WILL BE GLAD TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING, TRYING TO, UH, HELP THE HOMELESS, HELP A PLACE TO A LEVEL, STAY OUT OF TROUBLE WHEN TRYING TIME.
BUT, UH, MY OWN, THE PROBLEM WITH THE BEQUEST IS THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW UP THAT ALL THE HOMELESS AREN'T JUST CITIZENS OF NEWBURGH.
AND I FEEL THAT THE COUNTY HAS AN OBLIGATION TO CONTRIBUTE AS WELL AS ALL THE INCORPORATED AREAS IN THIS COUNTY.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT THE BURDEN FOR ASSISTING
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THE HOMELESS SHOULD BE BORN BY JUST THE CITIZENS AND TAXPAYER WITH NEWBURN.AND I'VE CONCERNED WHETHER OR NOT YOU AND 10 TO ASK ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES TO SHARE ON THIS BURDEN, NOT CONCERNED, WHETHER OR NOT YOU INTEND TO ASK CRAVEN COUNTY TO SHARE ON THIS BURDEN AND JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S INFORMATION, THE MONEY THAT YOU PAY FOR ELECTRICITY.
WE ONLY HAVE A PROFIT MARGIN OF A LITTLE MORE, OR A LITTLE LESS THAN 3%, LESS THAN 3%.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT AS PROFITABLE AS YOU THINK IT IS.
AND THE REASON YOUR ELECTRICITY IS SO HIGH BECAUSE OF THE DEBT SERVICE THAT WAS ENCOURAGED YEARS AGO, AND IT'S TOO COMPLICATED TO GET INTO IT RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT MAKING A LOT OF MONEY OFF ELECTRICAL SERVICES, BUT AGAIN, ALL I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS I JUST DON'T WANT ALL THE CITY OF NEWBURGH TO BE THE ONLY PHILANTHROPISTS IN THIS CALL, BECAUSE I FEEL EVERYBODY HAS A BURDEN AND THE BURDEN WILL BE DIMINISHED IF EVERYBODY CONTRIBUTED.
AND, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.
WE INTEND TO GO TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE CITY OF NEWBURN THE OPPORTUNITY TO MODEL FOR THE REST OF, UH, AND WHAT I'M ASKING OF YOU.
UH, I WILL PROPORTIONATELY ASK THEM, UH, AND, UH, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY DO THIS MUCH.
UH, I NOTICED IN YOUR LETTER, YOU ASKED FOR FIVE FILES AND FOLDERS REMAINDER OF THE, OF THE, UH, A YEAR.
AND I ASKED TO RECONSIDER 10,000 IN THE NEXT BUDGET.
AM I CORRECT? 10,000 I THINK WAS CONFUSED WITH SOME OF THEM IS VERY ONLY ASKING FOR HALF OF THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THE OTHER AREAS TO MAKE UP PART OF THAT, UH, 39 TO 15,000, YES.
WE'RE ASKING FOR 5,000 FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
AND OF COURSE YOU WOULD CONSIDER, UH, WE WOULD HAVE ASKED THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER US IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET.
WELL, OUR FISCAL YEAR IS JANUARY ONE THROUGH DECEMBER 31, BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CITY'S FISCAL YEAR.
UH, OTHER WORDS, OUR BUDGET, IS THAT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT? WELL, I BELONG TO BE IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU LOOK AROUND WHO IS ACCOMPLISHING WHAT WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL ARE ALL FILLING A GREAT NEED AND NOBODY ELSE IS STILL THERE.
SO THEREFORE IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, ANYBODY ELSE HAD ANY, I PERSONALLY
IT MIGHT BE THAT IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS GOT MORE MONEY AND TO HELP YOU SO MOVED, BUT WE GIVE THEM 5,000 AND IT FAIRLY SKETCHY ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, THANK YOU, SIR.
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE, I GUESS WE'LL GO BACK TO PETITION REQUEST A PETITION FROM CITIZENS.
IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE, YOU CAN STAY.
IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN JUST DO THAT.
I DON'T BLAME YOU ALL LONG TIME.
WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME ADDRESS PLEASE? OKAY.
SAY, TURN IT SR ADDRESSES FOUR OR FIVE.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO THANK GOD FIRST FOR BEING HERE AND THANK THE BOARD FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME UP.
IF YOU PETITION OR ASK FAVORING OF THE BOARD TONIGHT, ALL THIS.
SO THEY GO BACK IN 1993 AND, UH, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN ME AND MY WIFE.
AND WE WENT TO COURT ON THIS ACCIDENT.
AND AFTER THE JUDGE HAD VIEWED
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WELL, AFTER HE HAD HEARD THE CASE AND SAW THAT IT WAS ACCIDENT, COME A WHILE I REPORT TO HIM THAT IT WAS, HE ALLOWED ME TO MAKE PAYMENTS.I DIDN'T CHARGE HER FOR NO CRIME JUST TO PAY THE HOSPITAL BACK, THE MONEY THAT THE HOSPITAL AND AFTER THIS HAPPENED, I COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND TOLD HIM THAT I NEEDED TO WORK SO I COULD PAY THIS BILL.
AT THAT TIME, THE BOARD WOULD BE TO PUT ME ON PROBATION FOR ONE YEAR.
I MIGHT COME AND WORK SO I COULD PAY THE HOSPITAL BILL FOR THE ACCIDENT.
AND TWO ME AND MY WIFE, TWO WEEKS DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, THE CHIEF, I DIDN'T LAST CHAIN, NOT THE LAST TIME Y'ALL SAID THE LAW CHANGED SOME WAY FORM OR FASHION THAT WE HAVE TO FILL OUT ANOTHER PERMIT APPLICATION FOR A PERMIT, THE OLD WAY WHERE YOU HAD YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE, THEN YOU DIDN'T HAVE NO TICKETS, NOTHING ON THAT.
THEY JUST TAKE YOUR PICTURE OFF ONE OLD PERMIT AND YOU ISSUE A NEW PERMIT.
IT DIDN'T HAVE TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATION, BUT SHE CHANGED IT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY PROBATION THAT YOU HAD TO FILL OUT APPLICATIONS.
AND ONLY THIS APPLICATION, HE SAID, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED IN A FELONY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YOU HAD TO PUT IT UP NOW, WHICH THEY ALREADY KNEW THIS.
AND HE SAID, THIS DISQUALIFY ME FROM HAVING A PERMIT TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON A SPREADSHEET OR SUPERVISION.
AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WHEN THE BOARD Y'ALL DID ALARM ANYWAY, BUT WHEN THE CHIEF CALLED ME AND SAID, NO, UH, I COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD AND THEY SCRIPT ME ON MY PRIVATE TO WORK, TO EARN A LIVING AS I WAS UNDER THE LIVER AND TO PAY MY BILLS AND THE PROCESS OF THAT.
AND I WAS ALMOST, AS HE WAS SAYING ABOUT TO GO TO THE SHELTER BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE NOWHERE TO LIVE, BUT SOMEONE TOOK ME IN WITH THEM AND HOPING AND GOT MISSED OUT.
AND I FOUND A PART-TIME JOB TO GO TO WORK.
BUT THIS JOB I GOT WOULDN'T SUPPORT ME HAVING A PLACE TO LIVE NEXT.
YOU LIGHT FOOD AND ALSO PAID THE HOSPITAL BILL.
SO I FELL BEHIND ONE TIME IN THE HOSPITAL BILL AND THEY CAN GET BACK TO COURT FOR PROBATION VALLEYS.
AND I TOLD THEM WHAT A BULL WE'RE CONSIDERING THE LEMONY GO TO WORK SO I CAN REALLY PAY THE BILLS.
SO THEY SAID, ESSENTIALLY, HE HADN'T GOT IN NO TROUBLE.
YOU HADN'T DONE NOTHING WRONG AT THE TIME HE PUT YOU ON PROBATION.
THEN WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD AND SEE WHAT THE BOARD VIEW AND SEE WHAT THEY RECOMMEND TO THE MAYOR.
HE TOLD ME IF I WOULD GO IN, MAKE SURE I GET INTEREST TAGS AND ALL THIS OMA CAB, THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND HAVE DONE WHATEVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAID FOR MANY TO DO.
THEY WILL CONSIDER A FRIEND LEFT ME $2,500 TO GET ESTABLISHED OR TO GET MY CARE, READY, GET METALLA INSURANCE ON MY CALF.
AND I WAS HOPING WHEN I GOT EVERYTHING DONE, THAT I WOULD BE READY TO WORK, BUT I HAD TO WAIT TILL THE NIGHT TO, BECAUSE OF ALL OBLIGATION THAT Y'ALL HAD ON THE BOARD AND IN THE MIDST OF MY PROBATION.
AND I WAS SAYING THAT Y'ALL DEAL ON ME TO WORK ALL FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT HELPED ME NOW WAS THAT THE LAW CHANGED IN THE MIDST OF MY PROBATION.
AND I HAD TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION NETWORK, STOPPED ME FROM WORKING.
SO I'M BEEN OUT OF WORK REALLY WHOLE, ABOUT TWO YEARS, AND I LEAVE TO WORK AND I HAVE BILLS TO PAY.
I NEED TO EAT, AND I DON'T NEED IT ON DOWN MEDICINE TRIBUTE TO WORK.
IF Y'ALL PUT ME ON PROBATION AGAIN, UH, PROVE TO YOU AGAIN, AS I DID BEFORE THAT, I DIDN'T GET IN NO TROUBLE.
ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS SAID FOR ME TO DO.
AND Y'ALL ENTRUSTED ME TO GO TO WORK.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, THE JOB I DO HAVE NOW, I GO AROUND PEOPLE'S EVERY DAY I DELIVER A PIECE OF THE BOOK THAT NOT ENOUGH TO PAY THE BILL, I'M SAYING I GO AROUND AND PEOPLE AND EVERYTHING, WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM, THEY TRUST ME.
AND THEY GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE MYSELF TO THEM, TO I WILLING TO THE BOARD TONIGHT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY THING REALLY GOT ME WAS WHEN THE LAW CHANGED IN THE MIDST OF THIS.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THE OLD LAW THAT IF YOU GOT TWO TICKETS IN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, YOU COULDN'T DRIVE, OR YOU COULDN'T WORK NO MORE IN FIVE YEARS, THE BOARD CONSIDERED IT AND SAW THAT THAT WAS VERY HARSH CAR.
SOMETIMES YOU'D GET A TICKET AND SIGNAL THAT MAYBE IF YOU WENT TO A SPOTLIGHT AND IT WAS YELLOW OR ALTERNATE, AND IF YOU TRY TO MAKE IT IN THE SEAT, YOU MIGHT GET A TICKET.
I SAID, MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, SOMETIME YOU GET A TICKET, IT WILL NOT.
IS THAT LACK OF WAR, BUT THE LAW SAY THAT YOU GOT TWO TICKETS.
YOU BE GRINDING IT FOR FIVE YEARS.
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DRIVE NO MORE, BUT MAN HAD A FAMILY HOME AND ALL OF THIS.NOW HE CAN'T DRIVE THEM ON FIRE YET BECAUSE OF JUST TWO TICKETS.
BUT THE BOARD DID CONSIDER THEM AND THEY RE READ THE WRECK, THAT LAW, THAT SEEING THE TICKET DIDN'T MELT ON THEM, THEY WOULD LIE PERSON TO GO IN TO WORK.
I THINK Y'ALL DONE THAT LAST YEAR FOR ALL OTHER JOBS.
AND I'LL COME BACK TONIGHT TO ASK YOU, WE REALLY WRECKED THE LAW FOR ME, THAT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO WORK.
I'D BE ABLE TO PAY MY BILL, THAT I'LL HAVE TO GO TO COURT, THE 15TH, WHICH IS MONDAY.
AND THE PROBATION OFFICE CAN BE THERE WITH ME.
AND HE'S WENT REALLY THAT THEY GOT MY SON AND ME MIXED UP, BUT THEY CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT TO OUT THE MONDAY.
MY SON NAMED OLDEST 22 AND MY NAME TO 10.
SO THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY, WENT WITH JUNIOR OR SENIOR.
SO THEY GOT HALF A MOTHER FOUND HIS FILE TOGETHER.
AND THE PROBATION OFFICER SMITH REALIZED THAT THIS MORNING, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM, HE SAID HE WILL BE IN COURT MONDAY TO CLEAR THAT UP.
BUT YET I STILL GOT TO PAY HER THAT MONEY AND I NEED TO WORK.
SO IN THE BACK AND ASK THE BOARD, IF THEY WILL LOOK INTO IT AND LET NEW WORK, I'M NOT ASKING FOR NO MONEY FROM THE BOARD TO HELP ME TO PAY NO BILLS.
I JUST WANT OBLIGATION THAT I BE ABLE TO WORK SIDE AND PAY MY OWN BILLS.
YOU STILL HAVE THE FRANCHISES? YES, SIR.
HOW MANY YOU GOT ONE, THREE TAB.
NOT AT THREE FRANCHISES AND A TEXT EACH, EACH TAB.
SO YOU STILL HAVE THAT, THAT ONE UP TO DATE TV.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE'S A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO, LIKE I SAID, WOULD PUT ME, I DON'T WANT TO WORK.
I'M NOT REALLY ABLE TO WORK A LOT, BUT IF I CAN GET IN MY CAB, I CAN WORK AND SOME SITUATION.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOUR POINT OF VIEW, IF YOU PUT THE SHOE ON THE OTHER FOOT AND SEE HOW YOUR WAY, IF YOU COULDN'T WORK, YOU AIN'T GOT NO MONEY AND YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING.
WHAT GOING TO HAPPEN? WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU THE SAME WAY? AND I'M REMINDED OF A STORY IN THE BIBLE.
WHEN THE MEN BROUGHT THIS WOMAN TO JESUS TO CHOOSE A, OF A CRIME.
AND WHEN THEY BROUGHT IT TO JESUS, THEY SAID, THE LAW SAY STONE, HER TO DEATH.
BUT WHEN THE ASK IS, WHAT DO YOU SAY? HE BEGAN TO WRITE ON THE GROUND.
AND, AND THEY LOOKED AT HIM AGAIN ASKING THE SAME QUESTION AND HE'D DONE THE SAME THING OVER AGAIN.
AND THEN WHEN HE LOOKED UP, THE THIRD TIME HE LOOKED AND THERE WAS NOBODY STANDING TO ACCRUE THIS LETTER OR NO CRIME.
AND HE ASKED HER, SAID, WHERE ARE YOUR ACCUSERS? SHE LOOKED AROUND AND SAID THEY IS.
AND HE SAID, NO, I WILL NOT CONDEMN YOUR NEEDLE, BUT GO AND SIN NO MORE.
BUT HE SAID, HE, WITHOUT SIN, I HAVEN'T DONE NOTHING WRONG.
THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY CALLS EVERYBODY.
I BELIEVE ACCORDING TO BOB HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG, BUT IF THERE IS A SECOND CHANCE FOR A PERSON TO PROVE THEY SELF, AND IF THEY PROVE THEMSELVES, I'M MISSING BOARD IN THAT TO HELP THE REVEREND'S FILE IS QUITE THICK.
CAUSE HE'S HAD LOTS OF APPLICATIONS IN LOTS OF FRANCHISES AND ATTEMPTS TO GET DRIVING PERMITS.
UH, THE PRESENT STATUS OF, UH, REVEREND TURNAGE IS THAT, UH, HE DOES HAVE A FELONY CONVICTION.
UH, HE PLED GUILTY AND, AND, UH, WAS GIVEN PROBATION WITH RESTITUTION OF AN EXCESSIVE $13,000.
BUT HE IS A REGISTERED CONVICTION FOR A FELONY, UM, ON DECEMBER 9TH, UH, WHICH WAS TODAY, WE TALKED TO REVEREND TURN, HIS PROBATION OFFICER, UH, ELLIOT SMITH.
AND HE ADVISED US THAT THE REVEREND WAS SERVED WITH A WARRANT FOR PROBATION VIOLATION LAST WEEKEND FOR MISSING A RESTITUTION PAYMENT.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT HER SON.
IT WAS YOU THAT, UH, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, CAUSE WE TALKED TO HIM TODAY, UH, THIS AFTERNOON AND ALSO, UH, AT THE PRESENT TIME, UH, THE REVEREND HAS FIVE POINTS ON HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE.
UH, ONE, THREE POINTS FOR SPEEDING, UH, THAT OCCURRED THIS YEAR AND TWO POINTS FOR A, UM, RUNNING A RED LIGHT THAT RESULTED IN AN ACCIDENT WITH PERSONAL INJURIES THAT OCCURRED, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UM, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT, THAT YOU, THE BOARD CAN DO WHAT THEY WILL WITH EITHER THE PERMIT OR THE FRANCHISES, BUT THE ORDINANCE IS CLEAR ABOUT THE FELONIES
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AND THE POTENTIAL HAZARD TO THE PUBLIC WITH REGARD TO HIS DRIVING CAPABILITIES AND ALL OF THAT.SO I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY THAT? UH, IT WASN'T YOUR SON.
I TALKED TO HIS PROBATION OFFICER'S AFTERNOON IN ANTICIPATION OF COMING HERE.
AND WE WERE TOLD BY HIS PROBATION OFFICER THAT HE WAS SERVED.
MR. UH, REVEREND TURNAGE WAS SERVED WITH A WARRANT LAST WEEKEND.
UH, OH, YOU WERE REFERRING TO, WHEN YOU SAY IT WASN'T YOU WASN'T THE SON.
IT WAS, YOU TOLD ME EARLIER THIS EVENING THAT IT WAS HIS SON THAT HAD THE VIOLATION OF PROBATION PROBLEMS AND NOT HIM.
AND HE TOLD YOU WHEN, JUST TO SEE ME.
AND I WAS JUST TALKING TO HIM A LITTLE WHILE AGO, THE ONLY REASON THAT PROBATION OFFICERS COME TO ME BECAUSE YOU, MR. PEDRO, THE ONLY THING THAT HE TOLD ME THAT THEY GOT ME AND MY SON FOUND A MIXED UP.
AND SHE COULD TELL HIM THE SAME DAY.
I TALKED TO HIM THIS MORNING, BEFORE I EVER CAME HERE.
HE SAID HE WOULD COME BACK IN MONDAY MORNING AND COULD THIS THING OF IN COURT THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE NOBODY DIDN'T TELL HIM THAT MY SON WON'T PROBATION AND WILLEM KNEW I AM LACKING SOMEONE THE MONEY.
YES, BUT IT WASN'T TO BRING ME TO THE PROBATION, BREAKING MY PROBATION.
I BEEN PAYING MY MONEY AND I HAVE MY RECEIPTS.
WELL, I MAY ANSWER THIS WHEN YOU GET THE TWO TICKETS AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, DID YOU GET ONE FOR BEING IN AN ACCIDENT? AND ONE FOR SPEEDING IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, I GOT A SPEEDING TICKET, BUT FURTHER ACCIDENT THAT SOMEONE GOT HURT.
NO, IT WAS A HEAD ON COLLISION.
SOMEONE HIT ME IF THIS IS WHAT HE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, YOU GOT CHARGED WITH RUNNING A RED LIGHT IN THAT ACCIDENT WAS MAY 24TH, 1985.
WELL, WHAT DOES THAT SAY? PRINT OUT? I DON'T REMEMBER AND WHAT LESSON THE DATE OF BIRTH IS? WHEN NOT, IF I SAY, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S ALL THAT.
WELL HERE, HERE'S THE THING THAT WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT.
NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE THE THREE FRANCHISE.
IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TAKING THOSE AWAY FROM ME AND SO FORTH.
THE ONLY THING THAT WEIRD QUESTION, WHICH I WOULD THINK WOULD BE, UH, EXCUSE ME, PRETTY MUCH OF A BLESSING IN THE SENSE IS YOURS IS YOUR MOBILITY OR RIGHT TO DRIVE A CAB.
YOU BEING BEHIND THE WHEEL AND PASSENGERS BEING IN THE CAB AND WE HAVE CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS, AND WE'VE GOT TO GO BY IT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE LIKE AN R D.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF US TAKING THE FRANCHISES.
WE'VE GOT THE FRANCHISE, BUT THESE OTHER INCONSISTENCIES IN WHAT WE'RE OBSERVING ON THE RECORD AND WHAT WE THINK MAY BE A RECORD, YOU KNOW, STILL CAUSING SOME PROBLEMS. I WOULD THINK DON'T LET YOU LEGALLY, FIRST HOUR, THE FIRST TIME I LOOKED AT HIS SPOT FOR THE FIRST TIME OF THE DAY, IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S QUITE THICK.
SO I'M A PERSONAL INTEREST IN THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE THAT I FACE IS THAT THE ORDINANCE SPEAKS TO FELONY CONVICTIONS, EVEN FOR THE FRANCHISE, ANYONE WITH A FELONY CONVICTION.
AND YOU'VE BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY WHEN THEY ALREADY HAVE A FRANCHISE AS GROUNDS FOR REVOCATION IN THE FRANCHISE.
SO THE ISSUE HERE IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO CONSIDER THE FELONY CONVICTION, PLUS THE DRIVING ISSUE OF THE TICKETS AND, UH, MR. REVEREND, UH, CHARGES INSURANCE IS GOING TO EXPIRE HERE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
I JUST HAD INSURANCE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST.
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE SOMETHING IN THE FORTIES TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT KIND OF SANCTION FOR SOMEBODY TO DRIVE PEOPLE AROUND.
IT LIMITED IN TRAUMA COUNSELING.
I'VE BEEN TELLING THEM WHEN TO RENEW IT THEN.
BUT WHEN I TALKED TO THE MAYOR, HE SAID, IF YOU BRING YOUR CALLS UP TO DATE, WE'VE BEEN SHOWING, WELL, NOW YOU CALLED ME.
YOU SAID THAT ALL THOSE CONDITIONS, IF THE MORE THEY PUT NOW IN THE PAST YEAR OR WHATEVER THE BAND FIND, SOME TIME YOU HADN'T MET AND FULFILLED AND DONE EVERYTHING IS LOWER THAN SAYING THE SAME FALL.
AND YOU WANT TO DO TO GET CONSENTED TO GET YOUR LICENSE.
I SAID, WELL, IF YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE SAT DOWN MOM OR, AND SO FORTH.
AND I, ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU TO DO IS COME UPON THE BOARD AGAIN, WHO WAS EDUCATED.
IF IT HAD NOT DONE THAT, Y'ALL
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TOTALLY WELL FOR ONE THING TO TAKE IT THAT YOU'VE HAD IN THE LAST THAT'S THE 1 95 ACCIDENT, THE SPEEDING TICKET.I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT, HE'S TALKING ABOUT, THE LOSS OF YOUR FRANCHISE, AND YOU'RE UP HERE TRYING TO NOT OBVIOUSLY NOT TO LOSE YOUR FRANCHISES, BUT TO GAIN THE DRIVING LICENSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE ISSUE.
WASN'T REFRESH, PROVE IT TO DRIVE, BUT THE ISSUE CAN BE THE FRANCHISEE.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE ISSUE WITH DRIVING, AT LEAST SOMEBODY ELSE GOT AN OPINION ON THIS, ABOUT HIM GETTING THE LICENSE.
REVEREND TURNAGE, MR. SLADE DISCUSSED WITH US SOMETIME BACK, THE FACT THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR RADIOS, IN YOUR CABS, CRYSTALS ON HIS FREQUENCY, AND YOU WERE INTERCEPTING HIS CALLS AND JUMPING HIS CALLS, GOING TO THE HOUSE BEFORE THEIR CAB GOT THERE AND TAKING THEM.
WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOU AND YOU PROMISED THAT THAT WOULD ALL BE STRAIGHTENED OUT IN THOSE CRYSTALS WOULD BE REMOVED.
THINK, THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU ANSWER, BECAUSE I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR ANSWERS, ABOUT SOME OF THE STATEMENTS YOU'VE MADE HERE TODAY.
HAVE YOU TAKEN THOSE CRYSTALS OUT OF YOUR RADIO AND RETURNED THEM TO MR. SLOGAN? NO RADIO IN MY CAB PERIOD.
I WANT VERY BADLY TO GET YOU BACK TO WORK ALSO BECAUSE I'D RATHER SEE YOU WORKING THAN OUT SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS.
BUT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT CASTING, THE FIRST STONE, LET'S GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT YOU SAID THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT.
AND, UH, THE JUDGE WORKED IT OUT.
THAT WAS A PLEA BARGAINING AND YOU PLED GUILTY TO A FELONY AND LET'S, LET'S CALL IT LIKE IT IS.
CAN I EXPLAIN? YES OR NO? CAN I EXPLAIN IT? NO.
YOU PLED GUILTY TO A FELONY, WHICH TONIGHT YOU SAID, WELL, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT YOU WORK, YOU DID PLEAD GUILTY TO A FELONY.
YOU TOLD US THAT IT WASN'T ACTUALLY YOU, THAT HAD A PROBATION VIOLATION.
NOW THE CHIEF SAYS HE TALKED THIS AFTERNOON WITH THE PROBATION OFFICER AND THERE WAS NO MIX UP NOW.
I KEEP, WE KEEP GETTING, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA THROW ANY STONES, BUT YOU GOTTA GIVE ME SOMETHING TO WORK WITH HERE.
I TELL HIM, DUDE, IF THIS PROBATION OFFER, TELL THE CHIEF TOMORROW, LIKE HE TOLD ME IT WAS A MIX UP.
AND THAT IT WASN'T A MIXED UP OUTSET.
I WON'T ASK YOU FOR NO MORE PERMISSION TO DRIVE INTO MY TIME.
NO ABOUT BID ON THE PROBATION THAT HE, HE GOT HALF OF MY FILE WITH MY SON FOUND LET'S LAST TWO TICKETS I ALONE WOULD BE ENOUGH TO KEEP HIM AND GET HIS LICENSE.
BECAUSE HE CHANGED THAT LAW, THAT TICKET, IT DIDN'T MATTER.
Y'ALL CHANGED IT A ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THE BOARD AS MISS VICK AND Y'ALL CHAIN THAT YOU GOT THREE OR FOUR TICKET NIGHT, DON'T MATTER.
I GUARANTEE YOU THAT YOU GO BACK AND, AND RUN THEM.
IF YOU GET THREE TICKETS, DIDN'T MATTER FOR TICKING.
PEOPLE GOT MORE THAN THAT SINCE THEN, TOO IN THE BEGINNING.
THERE WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE APPROVED IT OR NOT, BUT THERE WAS A MOVE BY A COUPLE OF MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHO THEY WERE.
I THINK DON MCDOWELL WAS ONE OF THEM.
AND I THINK ROBERT WAS THE OTHER THAT IF YOU HAD A VALID NORTH CAROLINA DRIVER'S LICENSE, YOU COULD DRIVE A CAB THAT IT HAD NOTHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE YOUR, UH, RIGHT.
TO DRIVE A CAB AWAY FOR TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.
IF THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA STILL LET YOU HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE, THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE DECIDING FACTOR RATHER THAN HOW MANY TICKETS YOU GOT NORTH CAROLINA.
BECAUSE IF THEY CONSIDERED YOU A RISK AND TOOK YOUR LICENSE AWAY, THEN WE WOULD NOT LET YOU TRY IT.
BUT AS LONG AS THEY LET YOU KEEP YOUR LICENSE, WE LET YOU DRIVE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL DISPOSITION OF IT WAS IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT PASSED OR NOT.
I MIGHT'VE BEEN BEHIND AN EFFORT LIKE THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
AND IF SHE BRING UP THE RECORDS, SHE CAN TELL YOU THE TRUCK, A CAR.
IT WAS A FACT THAT NO MORE TICKET WOULDN'T HAVE IT ALONE.
YOU GOT LAST AND IN YOUR POCKET NARCAN ON YOU COOPERATE THE TICKET DIDN'T MELANOMA, RIGHT? BUT MR. TURNER, THE BOARD IS CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR TRUTHFULNESS BECAUSE OF, SO YOU WERE SAYING TONIGHT THAT YOU'RE NOT UNDER A PROBATION VIOLATION, BUT RATHER IS YOUR SON.
IS THAT RIGHT? I PUT THE CHIEF IS SAYING THAT IT'S NOT A MIX-UP IT'S YOU, SEVERAL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HONEST AND CANDID.
I TALKED TO OFFICER SMITH THIS MORNING.
HE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A JUNIOR INNOCENT.
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AND IF YOU LOOK ON A PROBATION VIOLATION THING, IT GOT, I HAVEN'T REPORTED TO A PROBATION OFFICER SINCE 94, THEN IT GOT ON IT'S ANOTHER CLONE.THEY GOT NOT TRUST OR SECONDARY TRESPASSING THAT WELL, MY SON, HE LIVED AT 4 0 5 STONY HILL WITH I LIVE FOUR OR FIVE CHASE VILLAGE.
NOW HE SAID THE ONLY WAY THAT HE GOT ON ME, BECAUSE THE ADDRESS THAT WAS ON THE 5, 4 0 5 STONY HILL, HE COULDN'T GET UP.
I NEVER LIVED AT THAT WITH MY SON.
AND I CAN PROVE THAT IF NOT, DON'T DON'T EVEN CONSIDER IT.
AND IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE WOULD BE HIM A WRITTEN STATEMENT STATING THAT TOMORROW MORNING, AND I TALKED TO HIM, WHAT'D YOU CONSIDER THEN IF THAT CLEARED UP, IF NOT, THEN DON'T WORRY ABOUT HOW I'M GOING TO ASK YOU WHOSE JOB IS IT TO SIT DOWN AND SEE WHAT THE QUALIFICATIONS OF DISQUALIFICATIONS GET HIS LICENSE VERSUS HOW HE STACKS UP AGAINST SOMEBODY.
BUT IF I WAS A POLICE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY, WE MAKE THE ORDINANCE CONCERNING THE CRITERIA, PROP 10, A LICENSED, AND WE RELY ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO VERIFY THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE.
AND, UM, AND IT'S UP TO US TO UPHOLD THE, UH, WHATEVER WE'RE ADOPTED.
IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO INVESTIGATE THE STATUS REPORT TO YOU.
UH, WHAT CONDITIONS THAT EITHER MEET YOUR DESTINY AND YOUR TERMINATION, WHETHER YOU WANT TO ISSUE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY, NONE THAT I CAN FIND IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS ME TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE.
I USED TO SIGN OFF AND SAY, THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE ISSUE ON PROBATION.
WE SPOKE TO THE PROBATION OFFICER THIS AFTERNOON.
HE DID NOT TELL US THAT THERE WAS A MIX-UP YOU EVER TALKED TO HIM THIS MORNING, MR. ELLIOTT, MAYBE CONFUSED, BUT HE DIDN'T RELATE TO US IF DEAL WITH ANY CONFUSION AT ALL.
AND IF HE GETS SERVE, YES, SIR.
AND HE DIDN'T SAY THAT THEY WERE CONFUSED BETWEEN HIM AND
IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT HE HAS TO DO AND DOESN'T HAVE TO DO OR WHATEVER, AND SEE WHAT WE HAD AND HOW MANY COMES OUT AND JUST THROW IN THE WHOLE WORKS, HAVING A WEAPON.
AND WE JUST, YOU KNOW,
AND IT WAS THE BEST IN MY MOUTH.
I BELIEVE IN SEVERAL YEARS, IF QUESTION IS NOT, WHETHER THE MISTAKE SAYS YOU CAN DRIVE IS THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IS HE SET OUT THERE FOR THE CITY.
AND SO FAR, I'M GETTING OFF PROBATION A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, LAST YEAR, SEPTEMBER, YOU GAVE HIM HIS FRANCHISES THAT, AND TALKING TO ME, THE CAR EMPLOYEES GOT, FOR INSTANCE, THAT HE'S RECEIVED TWO MORE, ONE MORE TAKE.
AND THEN I GUESS I WANT TO SEE THAT AND THEN FIND, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF HE'S ENTITLED TO HAVE HIS LICENSE, I NOT SEEN THAT.
I MEAN, IT ALL LIKE TO SEE WORK AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, I TAKE IT AS A PERSON AND HE GETS THE TAPE RATHER THAN COME OUT OF HERE WITH NO TICKET.
AND HE ASKED ME THAT HIS LICENSE CANE, BUT IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT WHEN WE GET ALL THESE THINGS THROWN IN THE INDEPENDENT.
I HAVE BEEN DRIVING CARE FOR 32 YEARS AND I HAVEN'T BEEN THAT BAD OVER GO FOR 32 YEARS.
NO MORE THAN TWO OR THREE TICKETS, NOT BAD.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET THE SIT A MAN.
I MEAN THE CITY ATTORNEY TO UPDATE
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US ON OUR TAX LAW, WHICH CAN BE IN BRINGING THIS MATTER UP AND A WORK SESSION SO WE CAN ALL BE PREPARED.EVERYBODY'S SHOOTING AND WE'LL DO IT.
WE'LL HAVE THE ATTORNEY, THE CITY ATTORNEY TO COME BACK AND SHOW US WHAT WE'VE GOT TO WORK WITH.
WE'LL LET THE CHIEF GO FIND OUT.
I'LL CLEAR ALL THIS OTHER STUFF UP ABOUT WHO'S ON PROBATION.
WHO'S NOT, AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING YOUR LICENSE.
AND WE CAN JUST APPLY IT WHEN WE DON'T LIKE IT UNTIL YOU GET AWAY FROM IT.
IF I ADD EVERYTHING AND WE'LL GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE AND, AND WELL, IF THAT WOULD POSSIBLE, DAN, AT THAT TIME AND NINE AND THREE O'CLOCK COME BEFORE THE BOARD, NO ONE SAID, NO, YOU ALL ALLOW ME TO WORK FOR TWO YEARS.
I'M JUST SAYING, DON'T BE ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.
ALLOW ME TO WORK FOR FOUR YEARS.
ANYWAY, LET'S GO BACK AND BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY, THE, TO YOU, TO US AND THE WORLD.
AND LET'S JUST CLEAN THIS THING UP.
HE'LL LOOK INTO IT AND HE'LL LOOK INTO IT, DUDE.
THE NEW WHO I'VE GOT CHECKED WITH AFTER WE DO THIS, WELL, I DON'T PUT THIS ON A WORK SESSION.
HE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE SCHEDULED.
ONE THING IN MY MIND, CHIEF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
NOW WE DID GIVE YOU THE PERMIT FOR THE CABS SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE OTHER PEOPLE DRIVE.
BUT DID NOT GIVE YOU A PERMIT TO DRIVE.
NOW YOU HAVE TWO ACCIDENTS ON THE RECORD SENT ONE, ONE SPEEDING TICKET IN ONE ACCIDENT DID EITHER ONE OF THOSE OCCUR WHERE YOU DRIVING A CAB WHEN EITHER ONE OF THOSE OCCURRED? NO, SIR.
I DON'T REMEMBER IT, BUT IF IT'S ON RECORD, SAY IT MUST BE RIGHT.
KNOW, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOUR RECORDS SHOW THAT WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A CAB? I KNOW WHILE YOU ALSO KNEW THAT YOU WEREN'T CONVICTED OF A FELONY, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT WE KNOW BETTER.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FOR SURE THAT HE HAS NOT BEEN VIOLATING OUR TRUST BY DRIVING A CAB.
SINCE WE TOLD HIM NO, SINCE HE GOT HIS PERMITS TO OPERATE THREE CALVES WITH OTHER DRIVERS, BUT NOT A LICENSE TO DRIVE HIMSELF, UH, THE REVEREND WAS DRIVING THE CAB, USING IT FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE.
AND THAT CONSTITUTED RESTRICTION AND THE PROPERTY, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD CAUSE WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER HE WAS HAULING A PASSENGER FOR PAY OR NOTHING.
I DO DELIVER A PIECE OF WOOD AND THEY SEEN IT.
RIGHT? THAT'S ALL I GOT THE, HE JUST LOOKS LIKE A CABIN, BUT IT'S NOT CARING.
ANYWAY, WITH 1998 WOULD BE FIVE YEARS.
NO PROBATION WOULD BE UP HIS FAMILY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT THE CHECK THAT OUT TO HIM.
OKAY, WELL, WE'LL CHECK IT OUT, COMING UP AND I THINK IT WILL GET JERKED AROUND.
AH, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PETITION? WE GOT TO HAVE A LONG, PROBABLY PRETTY LONG HERE.
SO HOPEFULLY NOBODY OUT THERE HAS GOT ANY THINGS YOU JUST CAN'T WAIT UNTIL THAT TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON.
PROBABLY HEARING ALL THE BROAD QUEEN STREET FROM MARSHALL ENTRANCEWAY TO OVERLAY DISTRICT MR. JONES, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
IF YOU HAVE, BEFORE YOU REQUEST TO AMEND SECTION 54 62 FROM THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED GUIDELINES AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS GOVERNING THE BROAD STREET QUEEN STREET ENTRANCE WAY QUARTER.
THE PURPOSE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS TO REDUCE REQUIRED BUILDING SETBACKS,
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PARKING AND PLANTING STANDARDS IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING TRADITIONS OF THE FIVE POINTS COMMERCIAL CENTER, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL EXTEND THE BROAD STREET QUEEN STREET COURT.ONE BLOCK EAST ALONG QUEEN STREET TO WEST STREET AS REQUESTED BY MS. MARRIOTT.
PETER KIN A PROPERTY OWNER IN A PROPOSED AREA HAVE THE REGULAR MEET AT ITS REGULAR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 1997.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND THAT THE PROPOSED TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS WILL BE APPROVED AT THAT MEETING.
NO ONE SPOKE SPOKEN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS THAT STAND READY TO ANSWER THEM.
OKAY, MARILYN, I SUPPOSE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
UH, SECOND ORDINANCE BE PREPARED.
AND HE SAID A REASON AND A 3.75 ACRE TRACK OPPOSITE THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHWAY 17 AND HAYWOOD FARMS ROAD AGRICULTURE, TO SEE THREE FOR MARSHALL THAT MAKES IT COME BACK AND WON A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
I RECEIVED A CALL BACK FOR A POST TO THIS CHAIN.
AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, I TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT SEATED ON THE BOARD, BUT I WILL FOLLOW THIS ALONG.
AND ACTUALLY WHEN I HEARD HER FOR FIVE MINUTES, ZONING BOARD HAD MET AND HAD RECOMMENDED.
I STARTED FELT RELIEVED BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE ME TIME TO REVIEW AND GET INTO THERE.
BUT WHEN I GOT MY AGENDA LAST NIGHT, I NOTICED THAT IT WAS ON THERE.
AND THE FOLKS FROM HIM, I INFORMED HIM THAT HE TOLD HIM TO COME UP AGAIN IN FEBRUARY.
SO I'LL NOTIFY THOSE PEOPLE ON FRIDAY THAT NONE OF IT WOULD BE COMING UP TONIGHT.
ACTUALLY, UH, I ASKED, UH, I HAD TO PLAN TO MEET ON UNDERSTAND 20 SOME ODD PEOPLE FROM
I TALK WITH THESE PEOPLE DURING THE WEEKEND.
I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS NECESSARY FOR THEM TO CALL BACK A LARGE CROWD THAT WAS AT THE OTHER MEEKNESS.
IF THEY WOULD COME TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON THIS, THAT IT SHOULD BE DRI.
I SPOKE MOST OF THE DAY, UH, TALKING WITH BOTH PARTIES, HOPING TO, TO WORK SOMETHING OUT.
UH, I REALLY HADN'T GOT ANYTHING SET AT ON IT, BUT I LIVE LIKE FIRST, IF WE WOULD MAYOR TO, TO HEAR FROM MY PLANNING FOLKS FIRST AND THEN THE FOLKS THAT WANT TO DISPOSE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE FARMS. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET ON THAT.
UM, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY THE BACK TWO THIRDS OF A PARCEL THAT PLOTS ALONG US HIGHWAY 17.
UH, THE FRONT PORTION IS ZONED TO C3 COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS OUR BASIC HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONE, UH, WHICH ALLOWS MOST COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, AND THE, THE REAR PORTION, IT IS, UH, A FIVE FORREST STREET, UH, WHICH, UH, UH, FIVE ACRE, LOTS MINIMUM, UH, ONE HOUSE PER FIVE ACRES.
AND IN GENERAL IS INTENDED FOR FORESTRY USES THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION AT THEIR FEBRUARY 2ND MEETING LAST TUESDAY.
AND AFTER REVIEWING THE INFORMATION, UH, HEARING FROM THE APPLICANTS AND THEN ALSO HEARING FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE HAYWOOD FARM SUBDIVISION, UH, DECIDED THAT THE ISSUE SHOULD BE TABLED UNTIL OUR FEBRUARY MEETING TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE SITUATION.
AND ALSO LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS AS FAR AS HOW STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION, UH, BOTH VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN, UH, WOULD BE HANDLED IN THE AREA, UM, LIKE AS AUGMENT, UH,
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BALANCED PERMISSION TO WORK.I THINK 20 SOME FOLKS THERE, UH, FROM THE HAYWOOD FARMS, UM, SUBDIVISION, UH, WE HAVE, UH, WITH US THIS EVENING, UM, ED WRISTY, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ON, UH, THE REASONS BEHIND THE ZONING BOARD ACTION.
UH, HE'S HERE, UH, TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, IN, IN TALKING TO HIM EARLIER, HE HAD REQUESTED, UH, UM, THAT, UH, THE SITUATION BE CONTINUED UNTIL FEBRUARY TO GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, FULLY REVIEW AND SORT OUT THE ISSUES.
UH, BUT, UH, IF IT'S OKAY, MR. RUSTY CAN SPEAK FROM THE VANTAGE OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, AND MIKE'S PRETTY WELL COVERED IT.
WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND THE PIECEMEAL NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA RIGHT NOW, UH, THE IMPACT OF UNPLANNED GROWTH AND THE COST OF MAINTENANCE AND SERVICES.
THERE WERE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WERE OF CONCERN TO US, THE VOLLEYBALL, ART EXTENSION, THE HIGH SCHOOL ROAD EXTENSION, SOME OTHER THINGS.
AND I DO HAVE, UH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GET THIS RIGHT.
WE ARE ASKING, I AM ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD, ASKING THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN TO HONOR OUR DECISION TO POSTPONE THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION UNTIL THE FEBRUARY MEETING.
SO THERE ARE CONCERNS AND THOSE ARE THE CITIZENS CAN BE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.
WE WILL MOVE AS SWIFTLY AS POSSIBLE TO GET THE BOARD A RECOMMENDATION AND NOT KEEP THE APPLICANT WAITING ANY LONGER THAN NECESSARY.
AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I GET.
WILL YOU STAND IN HIS FACE OR STRETCH YOUR LEGS, UH, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON, THROUGH JACK THAT ULTIMATELY THE BOARD MR. MAYOR APPRECIATE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO BRING US BEFORE YOU ROLL THIS EVENING.
UH, I LIKE TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF THE REASONS THE BOARD MADE THE DECISION TO DID.
UH, ONE IS WE DID NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS REALLY ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THAT POINT IN TIME TO MAKE A REASONABLE DECISION.
AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT FACTORS IS WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE ZONING OF THESE PROPERTIES WOULD AFFECT LEFTOVER PIECES.
THERE WAS WHEN YOU WAS ON ONE PAGE, YOU ENDED UP WITH A BUNCH OF FRAGMENTS AROUND THIS THING, AND IT BEGINS TO DICTATE WHAT THOSE WILL BE.
AND WE'RE NOT SURE THAT WAS APPROPRIATE, UH, THE WAY IT WAS SO STRUCTURED TO BEGIN TO FORCE US, TO LOOK AT ZONING FOR OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT PERHAPS GOING TO BE THE APPROPRIATE ZONE.
SECONDLY, 120 ACRES OF OUR SIX, AND IT WAS PROPOSED TO BE OUR SIX SIMPLY BECAUSE THE TYPE OF HOUSING PROPOSED ON IT REQUIRES OUR SIX IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE IT, WHICH IS A BYPRODUCT OF OUR PARTICULAR ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, RULES.
IT IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO ZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR ONE SPECIFIC USE WHEN YOU DESIGN OR WHEN YOU WOULD ZONE THIS FOR OUR SIX, YOU OPEN IT UP TO ALL THE POSSIBILITIES THAT ARE IN OUR SEX.
WHEN YOU ZONE A PIECE OF GROUND FOR C3, YOU OPEN IT UP TO ALL USES.
NOW THERE ARE OTHER MORE APPROPRIATE C THREE USES, AND THEY ARE DESCRIBED IN THE ZONING MANUAL AS TRANSITION AREAS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO SOME OF THESE OTHER COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN C3 NATIVES TO SAY THERE WAS CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH TIME, NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO REALLY MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION ABOUT HOW THIS WHOLE GENERAL AREA SHOULD BE ZONED.
UH, AND THEREFORE WE DECIDED WE HAD TO TABLE THIS BECAUSE WE COULD NO LONGER, WE COULD NOT SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF THIS SORT OF SPOT ZONING BASED, PURELY ON HOW SOMEBODY WANTED TO USE IT AT THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE? HEY, UM, I THINK MR. DAFF WAS, WAS ADDRESSING IN ADDITION TO ITEM 12, ALSO ITEM 13, AND WE TABLE LET THEM 13 AS WELL.
AND WE'RE JUST NOT AT THIS TIME IN THE POSITION TO, UM, TO RENDER OUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL WAIT UNTIL WE ARE BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION.
IS THERE SOMEBODY HERE THAT YOU'RE TELLING US ITEMS OIL FIRST ON GAS COSTS FEBRUARY, BUT I WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT WAY.
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UM, NUMBER TOIL.I THINK WE SEE WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE.
LET ME JUST ASK YOU THAT QUESTION AND THEN WOULD GO TO THE COST IS THE LOSS OF THE CONTRACT TO SELL THAT PROPERTY AS A RESULT OF THE MEETING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAD POSTPONED THE HEARING ON THE DAY AFTER THAT MEETING, OR SOMETIME SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE PERSON WHO HAD CONTRACTED TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, NOTIFIED THE SELLER THAT THEY WERE TERMINATING THE CONTRACT AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE SELLER SAID, WELL, IT'S STILL ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, AT LEAST GIVE US A CHANCE TO SEE IF THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER IT AND HOPEFULLY APPROVE IT.
SO THE COST IS THE LOSS OF THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN OWNED BY THESE PEOPLE SINCE 1979.
AND THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL THIS PROPERTY SINCE 1970, AND THAT'S A LONG TIME TO OWN IT LONG TIME TO HAVE TO HOLD IT.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN SOMEBODY OUT THERE PHYSICALLY TRYING TO DO THAT EVERY DAY, BUT THEY HAD BEEN OUT THERE.
I MEAN, THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN FOR SALE.
EVERY, EVERY BODY WHO'S IN THIS ROOM HAS BEEN BOTHERING YOU.
THAT PROPERTY WAS THERE FOR SAFE.
THEY FINALLY GOT A SALE FOR IT.
THEY TRIED TO GET THE MATTER OF HER BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IN NOVEMBER THROUGH NO FAULT OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
IT WASN'T, IT CAME ON IN DECEMBER.
THEY NOW HAD TOTALED IT FEBRUARY.
THE NET RESULT OF ALL OF THAT IS THAT IT WILL BE, IF THAT PERSON CAME TO BUY THAT PROPERTY, IT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE, SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE PERSON WILL KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN EVEN USE THE PROPERTY FOR THE PURPOSE, FOR WHICH THEY WERE POINT OUT ON THAT MAPPING.
SO IT'S CONTIGUOUS TO AN EXISTENCE IT'S CONTIGUOUS TO AN EXISTING C3 THAT JUST A SMALL TRACK OF SO WHAT DID THIS CALL, DOES THAT BUSINESS COME IN AT? WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?
I WASN'T OBJECTED IN PART BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE.
AND I HAVE, I PERSONALLY HAVE CUT THROUGH THE STREET THAT THEY'RE OBJECTING TO PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH IT, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT IT'S NOT GOING TO.
THIS IS NOT A CLUB THAT IS OFFERED.
THEIR REASONING IS THIS IS ON
WHY ARE THEY GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT WILL SELL MANUFACTURED HOUSING?
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND NOW VS AFFECTS THE TRAFFIC PATTERN OR IS IT THE PROPERTY ALSO THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ALSO OWN LAND
I THOUGHT YOU ASKED ALL ABOUT, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT 12 AND 13.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN AS A PLAN? BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT ONE PIECE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT 12? I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, WHY DID HE SAY WE CAN HEAR THREE APPROPRIATE, APPROPRIATE THAT WE GO ALL THE WAY OUT
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WITH 600 SPLIT C3 ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.AND HE TOLD ME COMMERCIALIZE OVER OVERPOWER THE ROAD WHERE WE'RE ALREADY NOW BUILDING SIX LANES, SIX LANES, NO ACCOMMODATION, JUST MOUNTAIN TRAFFIC, MOUNTING COMMERCIAL.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY OTHER RAGGEDY COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH JACKSONVILLE.
THERE'S ONE LONG COMMERCIAL STRIP LIGHTS, INTERSECTIONS, STOPLIGHTS, OH, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
WANT TO CHANGE THE ONE LONG COMMERCIAL STRIP.
IT'S JUST ADJACENT TO AN EXISTENCE C3 TRACKER LAND
AND WHILE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THIS PERTAINS TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE FRONT, WHICH IS ALREADY C THREE, AND YOU WANT THE BACK PART ZONE THREE TO C3.
HOW, HOW WOULD IT BE ANY MORE DETRIMENTAL TO HAVE THE ENTIRE AREAS, ZONE C3 THAN JUST HAVE THE FRONT ZONE C3, WHICH WOULD STILL ALLOW SOME HIGH TRAFFIC USES? LIKE IF RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I REMEMBER DRIVING IN BANKS, DOCTOR'S OFFICES, A VARIETY OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT, A PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD ALLOW A CONVENIENCE STORE.
SO NOW, IF, IF I LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE BACK 400 FEET TO C3 SO THAT A MOBILE HOME OR MODULAR HOME SALES LOT CAN GO THERE, WHICH WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT AS A RELATIVELY LOW TRAFFIC BUSINESS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE 500 CARS A DAY PULLING IN TO BUY MOBILE HOMES, THEY COULD STILL SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHO WOULD PUT A, A CONVENIENCE STORE ON THE FRONT 200 FEET, WHICH COULD ATTRACT 500 CARS A DAY.
AND I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR FEELINGS ON THAT.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I WOULD JUST, JUST LIKE TO SEE HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY COMMERCIAL ON THE FRONT.
SO WHAT THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT CORRECT?
WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE WHOLE BACK TRIP, 400 FEET, SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE BY ITSELF.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AREA HOLISTICALLY.
SECONDLY YOU TO REMEMBER NOW THERE IS 28 RESIDENTIAL
WELL, NOW ALONG THE SAME LINES, IT WAS SAID THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO BUILD A LITTLE BRIDGE OVER THAT CANAL AND USE THE BACK 400 ACRES FOR ANYTHING.
IF THE FRONT'S 200 ACRES, WELL, IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT OUR SIX BEHIND IT AND PUT MODULAR HOUSING THERE, I CERTAINLY DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH BRIDGING THAT CANAL AND PUTTING MODULAR HOUSING ON THE BACK 400 FEET TO QUITE FRANKLY.
SO I HAVEN'T DISCOUNTED THAT POSSIBILITY.
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WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST SAYING IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY, IT'S A VERY CONFUSING SITUATION.
THE FRONT PART OF IT AND
IT IS JUST SOMEBODY WHO WAS THINKING IT SHOULDN'T BE.
SO SOMETIMES THE INITIAL THINKING, UH, FROM THE STAFF AT THE TIME WAS THEY SHOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL SONNY SHOULD BE BACK IN THAT AREA AND ALLOW THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESSES.
UM, THE OWNERS OF PROPERTY IN THE NRA AND OTHERS EXPRESS AND STARTED, THEY WANTED TO SEE C3 ALONE THERE, UH, OR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, THAT WAS, UH, WHAT WAS FINALLY ADOPTED WAS GREAT.
BUT THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION WAS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SOME RESIDENTIAL BREAKS SO THAT YOU DON'T GET A CONSTANT STRIP OF COURSE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT'S HOW IT EVOLVED.
SO I ANSWER IS WELL, BUT OUR CLIENT PEOPLE, BASICALLY YOU THROW YOU BACK AT NINE YEAH, IT'S A YES OR NO ANSWER.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A LONG EXPLANATION.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR INFORMATION AND ANSWERS.
IS THIS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT LIVE BY WHAT WORD LIVE MEANS, YOU KNOW, THE OLD AMERICAN THING THAT YOUR HOME IS YOUR CASTLE.
AND I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH YOUR HOME.
AND I LIKE TO THINK THAT PEOPLE CAN GO TO BED THINKING THEY LIVE IN A CERTAIN PLACE WITH CERTAIN ATTRIBUTES AND THEY DON'T GET A SURPRISE WHEN WE'RE DOWN HERE AT NIGHT IN THE DARK AND THEY GET UP TOMORROW.
BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, I LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY FEARS THAT PEOPLE HAVE OR REAL THEATERS.
AND THAT'S WHY I MIGHT ASK YOU THE QUESTION.
LIKE IF THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, LET'S ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S UNSAFE, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT WHAT THEY CAN SEE LESS, LET'S SEE WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION TO NAVY, OR SORT OF AN OBLIGATION IS TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE OWNED THE PROBLEM MAY NOT LIVE THERE, BUT THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY.
THEY RUN THAT PROMINENT FOR TIME WITH CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT, YOU KNOW WHAT WE TAKE PEOPLE INTO ETJ AND ALL THAT.
WE OWE THEM SOME KIND OF HISTORICAL BENEFIT FOR KIND OF GRANDFATHER IN THERE.
SO THE WAY I SEE IT, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FORCES, A FOOT LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT RUN WITH THE PROPERTY SINCE 79, I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN HAYWOOD FARMS AND HAVE CONCERNED THAT NEIGHBORHOODS GOING TO BE CHANGED.
AND ALL I'D LIKE TO DO IS LET'S DIVIDE UP THOSE CONCERNS AND SEE WHAT THEY ALL BY THE SIDES AND SEE WHICH ONES ARE REAL AND WHICH ONES ARE IMAGINED.
THE FACT THAT THAT MAY SHOULDN'T BE C3.
AND THE LONG PLAN OF IT IS A GOOD QUESTION, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING, UH,
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU HAD THAT DOWN WAS IT WAS SORT OF A COMPROMISED POSITION.
IF THE DEATH IS NOT GRINDING, THEN THE OVERALL IMPACT ON INTENSITY THAT CAN GO ALONG, THAT A PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS REDUCED.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I DID NOT GO TO THE FULL 600 DEPTH WAS TO TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THE SALE OF COMMERCIAL.
SO YOU SAID A LOT OF THE COMMERCIALIZED SMALL THAT WE PUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THERE, BUT IF HE'S GOT A LARGER ONE AND WE HAD ELIMINATED SOMEONE PUT IN 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, THAT'S, I JUST WANT TO SAY THE GREATER TODAY, THE MORE INTENSE THE OPERATION CAN BE THERE AND THE GREATER THE IMPACT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GENERATION SO FORTH AND IT'S LOUD, BUT NOT AS STEEP IN THE SCALE OF THE OPERATION, WOULDN'T BE AS GREAT AS IMPACT.
THAT WAS THE POSITION THAT CAME TO THAT.
MY LAST QUESTION IS LOOKING AT, AND MATT, WE'VE GOT THE LINE, THAT'S THE CANAL.
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WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT HAVE SOMEBODY WHO WILL CLOSE UP THE CANAL AND LIKE THEY BRIDGE IT ALL.DOES THAT SERVE SOMEWHAT AS A BORDER AS PROBABLY ALIVE?
I'M GONNA FACE THAT THE 400, THIS YADDA FOR NOW, THEN A REQUEST IN OUR SIX RESIDENTS.
SO WHAT HAPPENS THEY, AND WE NEED TO DO TO OUR SIX BEFORE THE FEEDING BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL, BUT I STILL DON'T REMAIN OUR SIX AND IT CAN'T BE USED ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THIS SIDE OF THE CANAL.
YOU WANT TO USE A
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND ALL THE PLANNING FOR GETTING THAT AND FIVE STRAIGHTEN UP SOME OF THAT, THAT, THAT ZONE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN IT.
AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHO THE PEOPLE IN HAYWOOD FARMS OR
AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE SCHOOL THEY'RE IN THE FABRIC OF THE SCHOOL BUSES, ARE THE KIDS GOING IN AND OUT.
AND I THINK THAT REALLY WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM THOSE FOLKS, UH, NOW, AND, AND, AND SORT OF LET THEM THROW THEIR FEET PIECE IN THERE TO CONSIDER BOTH OF THESE
I REMEMBER THE BOARD AS MOST OF, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSED IN THE PAPER, THE 1 6 1 600 BY 350 ACRES OF WHICH HAYWOOD FARMS WAS A PARK, THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
I SHOWED MY ONE SIXTH INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY, WHICH THE END DOWN HERE, 950 FEET BACK, AND THEN GOES BACK AND TAKES IN THE 120 ACRES THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED.
I SOLD THAT TO MARVIN RAINS BACK EARLIER THIS YEAR, MY ONLY INTEREST IS IN
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THE ONE PIECE, WHICH IS 300 FEET ON THE HIGHWAY AND 600 FEET DEEP.GOING BACK TO THAT FOR NOW, TO THAT EXTENT, THE INTEREST OF DIRT OUT OF THE ORIGINAL SIX PEOPLE WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY BACK IN 1979 HAS CHANGED SOMEWHAT, BUT EXCEPT FOR MY HAVING SOLD MY INTEREST IN THE $128 AND 900 FEET FROM THIS LEFT, LOWER LEFT HAND BACK TO THE RIGHT, IT IS WELL, I'M GETTING MAD IS WHEN I MADE THE STATEMENT WHILE I GO TRYING TO SIT A LOSE THING.
AND THE OBLIGATIONS THAT I SEE ARE CONCERNING THE FIGURES OF PEOPLE, ADDRESSING THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PROPERTY FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
AND IF THE OWNERSHIP IS NOT CHANGED, ET CETERA, IN A SMALLER WAY, I WAS GOING TO ASK MIKE, WHAT WAS THE COMMENT OR OBJECTIONS THAT AS PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG OF ACTUALLY BECAME C3 AT THE TIME, IT BECAME C3 AND WAS ONLY AS BIG AS IT IS NOW.
OH, WHAT IS THIS THING HAS BEEN THERE THAT SHOWER BY DEFINITION SAYS MY THING, WHATEVER YOU SAID,
UH, THE ATMOS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE, UH, THE OWNERS OF A PROPERTY HERE WANTED ADDITIONAL DATA.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WERE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DOABLE BACK IN 92, AS FAR AS THE, UH, IS, UH, THINGS WERE DIFFERENT IN TIME AND LOOK LIKE A VERY LITTLE IMPACT BACK IN 92, WHEN THERE WAS VERY LITTLE HAPPENING OUT THERE, UH, LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT IN 1997, WHEN YOU HAD SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE YEAR, AND YOU'VE HAD THE INCREASED TRACK AND EVERYBODY, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS DOWN HERE, THEY SEEN CONSIDERABLE CHANGES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
AND THAT'S WHAT TYPICALLY GETS PEOPLE OUT IN PUBLIC MEETINGS IS WHEN SOMETHING BECOMES REAL TO THEM, IT STARTS TO STARTS AFFECTING THEIR SITUATIONS.
IF ANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA EVEN READ THAT WAS BACK IN 92, THEY SEEN THE GROWTH FROM THE CITY MOVING ON OUT, UNLESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS REALLY CALLING FOR.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN OWN THE HOME IN 92.
I BOUGHT SINCE THEN, I THINK THEY HAD A REAL CONCERN THAT MIKE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST CLARIFYING IN MY MIND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
AND WITH THIS, PUTTING IT OFF UNTIL FEBRUARY OF TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, THE 400 FOOT STRIP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEN YOU'VE GOT 200 FEET OF COMMERCIAL.
HOW WIDE IS THE ROAD? THE FOUR LANE HIGHWAY, HIGHWAY 17 FEET 53.
SO THAT'S 300 THAT'S 350 FEET.
HOW WIDE IS THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ON THE LOWER SIDE AT THE ENTRANCE TO HAYWOOD FARMS MOVE OVER TO THE RIGHT RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THOSE PIECES, THOSE PARCELS.
SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S 550 FEET NOW.
WHAT IS THE ZONING ON THE WHITE SECTION BELOW THAT THAT WOULD BE, I THINK PROBABLY MORE ACUTE AND RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, HOW WIDE, HOW WIDE IS THAT? SO, SO THAT C3 ALSO, ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT ILLUSTRATED IN YELLOW, LIKE THE REST OF THE C3, THE WHOLE PARCEL IS C3.
SO PART OF THAT IS C3 PAWN OF IT.
ISN'T SO WE'RE STILL CONFUSED AS TO WHAT IS, WHAT, HOW WIDE IS THAT SECTION THAT IS IN WHITE ON THE MAP? WELL,
WELL, SEE, THIS IS THE LAST LOCK.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A SECTION THERE THAT PROTECTED MIGHT BE
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A HUNDRED FEET WIDE.UH, IF ANYBODY FROM THE HAY WITH FARMS THERE TO COME UP THERE AND LOOK AT THIS
OR SO THE WHITE SECTION IS HOW MANY FEET IS ABOUT 230.
THE UPPER HUNDRED FEET IS C3
NOW WHERE IS THE FIRST HOUSE ON THAT ENTRANCE TO FAVORED FARMS? SO THE NEAREST HOUSE TO THAT LINE ON THE UPPER SIDE OF THE MAP BETWEEN THE C3 AND THE AREA THAT IS PROPOSED FOR C3 IS 750 FEET.
I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT FIGURE IN MIND.
NOW LET'S GO TO ANOTHER SUBJECT THAT I NEED SOME INFORMATION ON.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING OFF A DECISION UNTIL FEBRUARY OR THE POSSIBILITY SO THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD CAN TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THAT ENTIRE AREA.
WITH WHAT OBJECTIVE IN MIND, DO THEY CONTEMPLATE THE POSSIBILITY? YES OR NO? I'M NOT ASKING YES OR NO, BUT DO THEY HAVE IN MIND THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY MIGHT COME BACK TO US AND SAY, WE WANT, WE THINK YOU SHOULD CHANGE.
THEY WOULD COME BACK AND RECOMMEND THAT THE C3 THAT IS ALREADY THERE SHOULD BE CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE WE SEND.
THE, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TOO.
AND THEY WOULD BE ENTERING IT WITH OPEN MINDS.
AND NOT SAYING SINCE IT'S A CERTAIN ZONE RIGHT NOW, IT HAS TO STAY.
YOU MIGHT GET THAT RECOMMENDATION.
THE RANGE OF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT CONCEIVABLE THAT THEY MIGHT COME BACK AND WANT US TO CHANGE THE C3 TO SOMETHING ELSE? IS THAT, IS THAT IN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY ON THE UPPER SIDE, THE WHOLE STRIP ALONG? YEAH.
AND IT IS THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE, BUT THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THE PLANE IS ON THE BOARD WERE TALKING TO US ABOUT THAT THEY CHARGED THEM TO LOOK AT, OR WHY DOES THE CONFIGURATION OF THE STREETS IN HERE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SERVE THE PROPERTY? WHAT IS THE ZONING, THE WHAT KIND OF DENSITIES ARE YOU LOOKING AT HERE? THEY WERE NOT IN THEIR CHARGE TELLING US TO REEVALUATE THE SUN LEANER.
THEY WILL BE INTERESTED IN THE AREAS IN QUESTION AND HOW THEY LINKED TOGETHER.
AND THEY MIGHT, AT THAT POINT SAY, WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE THIS CHANGE ON THAT 400 FEET, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE 200 FEET THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A STRONG POSSIBILITY OF THEM SAYING, LET'S TAKE AWAY THE C3 THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THIS INSTEAD OF
MAYBE SOMETHING ON THAT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY THIS, OKAY.
THERE IS, WE'LL BE CONCERNED, BUT I JUST WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE EXPERTS ON TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER.
WE'LL HEAR WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE.
DENSITIES AND TRAFFIC GENERATED COULD VARY CONSIDERABLY, DEPENDING ON.
AND LET ME FINISH WITH ONE LAST THING I HAD IS THE IDEA OF PUTTING A CALL TO SACK THERE REALLY WELL, I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE, IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THE PLANNING BOARD IS LOOKING AT AS WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE ADVISABLE
WELL, I'M AWARE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS ALSO ALSO BEING CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
I KNOW WILL, WILL WANT IT TO, BECAUSE THE FIRST THING I LOOK AT IS YOU'VE GOT TWO ROADS NOW WITH TRAFFIC, MORE OR LESS DIVIDED BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT IF A CULDESAC IS PUT THERE, THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER END OF HAYWOOD FARMS ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
ALL THE TRAFFIC WOULD THEM COME THROUGH 80 PROOF AND OTHER PLACES THAT'S GOING THROUGH THEIR FOUR SHORTCUTS, THE THOROUGHFARE AND THEIR KIDS ARE GOING TO SCHOOL AND IN THE YARD AND ALL THE PEOPLE WERE SPEEDING, NOT A CHIEF.
IF I HAD SOME PATROL CARS OUT THERE THIS PAST WEEK, AND IT GOT A LOT OF TICKETS AND NIGHT, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE THIRD WARD.
THE ROUTES ARE LIKE THE STREETS.
WELL, OVER 90% OF THE PEOPLE THAT SIGN THEM, SIGN A PETITION.
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IT'S TOUGH AFTER USING TAX DOLLARS TO CREATE A STREET, TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, NO, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE IT BECAUSE THERE'LL BE PEOPLE WHO USE IT REGULARLY, WHO WILL HIT THE CEILING, BUT I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WAIT AND SEE HOW THAT COMES UP.UH, OUR CHARGE FROM THE BOARD IS ALL LOOKING AT THE TRACK AND STUFF.
BUT
MY NAME IS KELLY BROWN AND I LIVE AT 4600, 500 FARMS ROAD.
UM, I'VE GOT A LETTER FROM RICK PENDLETON, UH, WALTER ALDERMAN AND A NEIGHBOR.
UH, HE WAS OUT OF TOWN THIS WEEK.
SO I'VE BEEN ASKED TO READ A LETTER FROM HIM TO THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN.
I REGRET NOT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK TO YOU IN PERSON THIS EVENING, BUT I'M AWAY ON A TRIP THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN PLANNED BEFORE THIS ISSUE CAME UP.
I AM ADDRESSING YOU AS A FORMER ALDERMAN AND A RESIDENT OF HER HIPS.
THERE WAS A FEELING THAT NO ONE IS TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE OPINIONS AND NEEDS OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED ALONG THE HIGHWAY.
17, EXCUSE ME, CORRIDOR FOR YEARS, THE CITY IS MOVING THIS WAY.
AND WHILE WE KNOW THAT WE CANNOT STOP NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE WON'T SOLID ASSURANCES THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE UP OUR RIGHT TO LIVE IN A SAFE THRIVING AREA WITHOUT THE LOSS OF OUR IDENTITY.
DUE TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AS THE CITY MOVES DOWN 17, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE, SOME WHO DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY WHO WILL BE AFFECTED BY DEVELOPMENT.
THE CITY PLANNING STAFF SAYS THAT WITHOUT PLANNING, THERE WILL BE NO STRUCTURE.
I SAY THAT NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING BOARD TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT WHILE KEEPING OUR PROPERTY STABLE AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THRIVING HAYWOOD FARMS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
WE PROMISED THE RESIDENTS OF THE ROCKY RUN COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD ACT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.
THE ACTION TAKEN TONIGHT WILL AFFECT THEM NOW.
AND IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA AND THAT CHILDREN WALK TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY.
AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION TONIGHT, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WHAT GOES ON NOW WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA.
I HATE TO USE THIS TERM, BUT WE WERE HERE FIRST AND OUR DESIRES AND NEEDS MUST BE MET.
IF NEIGHBORHOOD IS TRULY A CITY THAT HAS ITS CITIZENS IN MIND.
AND, UM, THAT'S ALL MR. PENDLETON'S LETTER.
AND I'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS MYSELF.
UM, I FIRST MOVED TO HOLLYWOOD FILMS IN 1984 WITH MY PARENTS.
UM, WE BUILT HOME THERE AT THAT TIME.
THERE WAS ONE ENTRANCE AND VERY, VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC.
UM, I LIVED THERE FOR FIVE YEARS UNTIL I'M MARRIED.
UM, DURING THAT TIME, UM, WHEN I FIRST GOT MARRIED, UM, WE LIVED IN A MOBILE HOME, IN A MOBILE HOME PARK IN 1994.
WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO BUY A HOME IN HIGHWOOD FARMS. I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THESE MOBILE HOMES, SUBDIVISIONS AND OR SALES, LOTS AFFECTING PROPERTY VALUE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS DIRECTLY BESIDE YOU AND NEAR YOU AFFECTS YOUR PROPERTY VALUE.
MY FAMILY WORKED VERY HARD TO MOVE OUT OF A MOBILE HOME PARK AND WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO HAVE ONE MOVED ON TOP OF US.
THERE ARE ALREADY MORE NON-RESIDENTS THAN RESIDENTS DRIVING THROUGH HYBRID FARMS EVERY DAY AS A DIRECT RESULT OF DEVELOPMENT AROUND US.
UM, I HAVE A REAL CONCERN WITH THE SAFETY OF MY SON, AS WELL AS THE SAFETY OF ALL THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE ROAD IS NO LONGER AS SAFE AS IT ONCE WAS TO PLAY, WALK, RIDE BIKES AND ESCAPED.
I HAVE WITNESSED MANY CHANGES IN HAVEN FARM SINCE 1984.
I HAVE ALSO WITNESSED SEVERAL CLOSE CALLS IS A DISRUPTIVE, DIRECT RESULT OF SPEEDING TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A PARENT.
THIS CAN STILL BE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE KIDS
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CAN GROW AND PLAY SAFELY.IF YOU THE BOARD MAKE THE APPROPRIATE DECISION TONIGHT.
NAH, I'M NOT ON ANYBODY'S SIDE, BUT I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE WRONG.
I REALLY DO HATE TO SEE SOMEBODY LOSE OUT ON A SALE BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE STOP COMMERCE, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A HAPPY MEDIUM FOR EVERYBODY.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH JUST RESULTING THAT TO APRIL TRACK, THAT'S NEXT TO AN EXISTING C3 ZONING TRACK LAND OR TO ATTRACT ATLANTA ZONE.
C3 IS JUST THAT TO RAPE THAT
IT'S NOT EVEN NEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A ROAD THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO MAKE A U-TURN BACK UP TRAFFIC, JUST AT ONE PARCEL.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH JUST RESOLVING THAT PART AND THE RISK THAT THAT LITTLE ONE IS ON BOARD.
IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT? SOMEBODY SAID, WE'VE GOT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE.
IF WE ALLOW THIS FAT TO BE REVAMPED AND
AND THAT WAS WHAT WE LOOKED LIKE, WHITNEY A SCHOOL.
NOW, THE CHILDREN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING IN THE HALLWAY.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND.
IS THAT RIGHT? LET ME, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION I WROTE OUT THERE YESTERDAY.
FIRST TIME THAT I KNEW ABOUT ALL THIS TO JUST CAME UP WITH GOING ON A ST.
MOLLY, ALL OF THEM, EITHER FARMS OR AGAINST THE POSSIBILITY OF CLOSING THAT EXIT A RANDOM SATURDAY, WE'LL LOOK AT IT ON THE 17TH.
WOULD YOU BE FOUR OR FIVE? I AGREE, BECAUSE I PUT MYSELF IN THE OTHER PERSON'S SHOES.
WHAT I FOLLOWED THAT ENTRANCE WAS CALLED IT ISN'T THE BIG TOE DESIGN, BUT IN TRADIES WILL ALLOW THEM TO GROW UP.
YOU SHOUT ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT WOULDN'T MATTER TO ME ABOUT
AND THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT UNDERWRITTEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT BECAME 200 FEET DEEPER, BUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN ALREADY? ONLY SEE THREE IS ALREADY TONIGHT.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION WAS WHAT WOULD I DO TO THE TRACK? AND TO SEE THE OTHER THING WAS WHEN I SAW IT AT THE SCHOOLS ON WHAT PEOPLE, THEY GET THE KIDS TO DO THIS AND DO THAT.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT SOME OF THE FOLKS IN HAVEN FARM PROBABLY WOULDN'T AND DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WERE COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN, BUT THE KIDS ARE DRIVING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S NOTHING THAT I THOUGHT IMMEDIATELY.
WHY CAN'T WE AS A BOARD WORK FOR THE SCHOOL
WHAT I'M SAYING IS I AM ALL FOR HELEN, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO BE LIKE,
I MEAN, YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THAT WAS THE REASON I WAS ASKING A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT SOME OF THE PROFESSIONAL FOLKS.
SO THE WATCH EFFECT LESS DEFINED WHAT YOUR CONCERNS AND PROBLEMS ARE.
AND THEN LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO YOU.
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TO DO WITH WHAT'S GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET, FIND A NANNY.BUT IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE TO LP.
AND THAT POSSIBLY COULD MAYBE
THAT'S THE, BUT LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING THAT WAS CAUSED WAS IN TREES ALLOWED TO GROW UP.
SO YOU WERE ISOLATED WITH THAT.
WOULD YOU STILL FEEL LIKE THAT WAS PART OF THAT'S STILL THERE THAT IF YOU'RE NOT THERE
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FACT THAT IT IS, I TRY
HE SAID AVERAGING 10 TO 12 A MONTH, YOU KNOW, 60 TO 70 TRAILERS IN THAT LITTLE ONE MILE STRETCH, THE TRAFFIC JAMS PRESENTS.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE MOST CONCERNED WITH IS PROTECTING THE CITIZENS ALL OVER NEWBORNS BECAUSE OF THE PRODUCT.
THE LAST THING, THIS CONCEPT OF THUNDERBIRD SPRAWL IS ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY.
WE USE THE CITY BOARDS SUCH AS YOURSELVES, DISH THIS OUT PIECEMEAL WITH NO RANDOM PLAN IN MIND.
SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN GET TO 2020, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE COMPETENT.
SO YOU WERE, YOU WERE A GUEST, UH, EXPANDING THAT TRACK OF LAND TO C3 BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT A MOBILE HOME SALES CENTER BUILT THERE BECAUSE YOU THINK WE DON'T WANT HALF BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH IN THERE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT FRAN IS GOING TO TURN? AND I TURN RIGHT, RIGHT DOWN HERE WITH FARMS. I LIVE ON THE FIRST ON THE FIRST LINE FROM THERE.
REMIND GIRL WALKS IN THE DOOR TO SEE OUT THERE THAT'S A PROBLEM.
SHE WOULD RECOGNIZE IT AT NINE.
IT'S EASY FOR ANYBODY ELSE RIGHT NOW.
EVEN IF YOU HAD TO PUT A NAME, YOU BLOCK YOUR AREA OFF THAT YOU STILL BE CONCERNED FOR THE OTHER FOLKS, RIGHT?
PEOPLE'S GONNA START SEEING OF NEW HERE AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, NOW I'M OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL WHEN ALL THIS IS ALL BRANCHED OUT, I THINK IT'S NOT ALL THE TIME.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO THIS BOARD THAT WE GO ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PLAINS, RATHER THAN THE BOARD AND THE LATEST.
AND THEN WE LOOKED INTO, WELL, ONCE AGAIN, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THESE CONCERNS AND SO FORTH TO FIND.
I MEAN, I'VE HEARD SEVERAL THINGS.
ONE THING IS NEW TO ME IS THE FACT THAT THE MOBILE HOME SALES LOT TRACKING PROBLEMS, AND ONE MORE SET OF PROBLEMS. THE PROPERTY.
NOW WE HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT $9 MILLION OF THE MARKET VALUE
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HOMES.THERE WHAT'D YOU PUT AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WILL IMPACT IN TERMS OF HOW WE ARE CALLED THE BLOCK IN THE PACK THAT WE HIT THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO ALWAYS CONSIDER THAT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN SAY A THINGS CALLED FEARS, REAL AFFAIRS AND THEIR IMAGINED FEARS.
AND
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S NOT GOOD TO LOOK AT ON THE ONE TIME, TURN AND LOOK AT THAT.
PEOPLE THAT COME TO SEE IT AND THEN LOOK AT YOU DON'T THINK THAT DOESN'T BE RIGHT, BUT HERE'S THE CONCERN.
WE HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SCHOOL BUS TO PICK OUR CHILDREN.
THE POLICE WERE OUT THERE THIS WEEK, TAKE THE CARS UP.
MORE TRAFFIC OR PUTTING MORE BUSINESSES DOWN HERE.
IT'S NOT THE, THE PEOPLE YOU'RE WRONG.
WE'VE SEEN THE INCREASED CRAMPING, ALL THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO WEIGH ALL THE FACTORS AND SEE PLAYS THEM OFF FROM STRANGE TO ME AND POSSIBILITY.
YEAH, LAST THING HE'S GOT
I'M GLAD TO HEAR ALL THE SIDES THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS PROBLEM.
AND I WANT TO BE KNOWN AS A RESIDENT'S ADVOCATE.
I'M LOOKING TO TRY TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY OWNERS VALUES AND THEIR RIGHTS.
NOW TELL ME AN OPTION IS TO CLOSE OFF THE CURRENT STREET THAT GOES OFF INTO 17.
NOW, IS THAT YOUR DESIRE IS THAT IF WE COULD WORK OUT AN OPTION LIKE THAT, AND THAT THAT'S PROBABLY REQUIRES THE LEAST TO BE DONE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO TRAFFIC FLOWING FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BACK OUT TO 17.
NOW WITH THE CURRENT YELLOW CO UH, COLORS THERE, WHICH SHOWS THE BUFFER, THERE IS CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANT BUFFER RING FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO WHERE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE REZONED.
IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT? SEVEN? WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT 50 FEET.
I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM WHERE I SEE THAT, WHETHER IT LOOKS LIKE HOUSING, LOTS THAT GO INTO THE YELLOW COVER.
I'M TALKING ABOUT IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING THERE TO CLOSE OFF THAT, UH, HAYWOOD FARMS ROAD, AND THEN THAT WOULD SOLVE YOUR TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A BUFFER WHICH GOES AS I SEE THE, UH, THE PROPERTIES IN YELLOW, WHICH WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE FROM YOUR INITIAL PROPERTY LINE OF THE RESIDENCE, TO WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING, THE PROPERTY FOR THIS 700, 750 FEET IS WHAT I'M TOLD.
WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A REZONE.
WHAT I'M SAYING NOW IS LET'S DO THE EASIEST THING THAT IS THE MOST PRACTICAL THAT COULD SOLVE EVERYBODY'S PROBLEMS. AND I CERTAINLY AM IN FAVOR OF DOING WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT, BUT I ALSO HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND FIND OUT FROM THE BOARD, HOW WE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CAN WORK OUT A WAY TO CLOSE OFF THAT STREET, KNOWING THAT YOU PROBABLY NEED ANOTHER EXIT, SOME OTHER PLACE OVER ON THE WHATEVER STREET THAT IS THERE A RIVER ROAD YOU NEED THAT GOT THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR CURRENT EXIT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO CLOSE OFF THAT STREET TO ELIMINATE YOUR TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
I'M SO CONCERNED ABOUT KIDS BEING HURT AND LET'S GET THAT PROBLEM SOLVED AND THEN WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T IMPACT ON LOST SALE OR, UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO EMBARGO BUSINESS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SOLVE EVERYBODY'S PROBLEMS. SO EVERYBODY WALKS OUT OF HERE HAPPY, BUT LET'S DO THAT.
LET'S TAKE OPTION THREE AND CLOSE THAT STREET.
IF WE, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO DO THAT AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TONIGHT? YES.
UH, GOOD, GOOD MR. AINS ADDRESS THAT I'M OPEN TO SUGGEST.
I JUST WANT TO SOLVE THE OKAY.
BUT MR. RAINS WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION BEFORE WE GET OFF ONTO ANOTHER APPROACH.
HE'S ASKING ABOUT CLOSING THAT STREET AND MR. RAINS WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.
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I'M LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION.I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE LISTENING TO ALL OF WHAT TRANSPIRED AND THERE'S GOOD POINTS ON BOTH SIDES.
IT WAS THE FIRST, UM, MAJOR SUBDIVISION THAT I DEVELOPED IN MY REAL ESTATE CAREER.
AND I'M SITTING HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF IT.
JUST A MINUTE, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON WHY THERE'S AN INFERENCE ON HIGHWAY 17 AT ALL.
AND WE BOUGHT THE WHITE DON WHITE FARM IN 1978, ACTUALLY.
UM, WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT HOW TO DEVELOP IT TO THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION.
ONE OF MY PARTNERS, AND I BOUGHT A STRIP FROM HIGHWAY 17, SOUTH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE TO HAYWOOD FARMS, IT'S OWN RIVER, UH, GREENLEAF CEMETERY ROAD.
NOW WE DID THAT TO GIVE AN ENTRANCE THAT WAS NOT ON 17 SOUTH.
DIDN'T WANT AN INFERENCE ON HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH STILL TONIGHT.
DO NOT WANT AN ENTRANCE ON HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH.
I WILL BE IN FULL SUPPORT IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE ROAD, THE END OF HAYWOOD FARMS ROAD.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT, I WOULD, AND MY PARTNERS WILL SUPPORT THAT 100%.
AND WE GIVE THE LAND NECESSARY TO MAKE A CUL-DE-SAC SOMEWHERE BEFORE YOU GET THE HIGHWAY 17.
WHEN WE PROPOSED THAT SUBDIVISION, IT'S NOW HAYWOOD FORMS, APPROXIMATELY 80 LIVES.
AND I SAID, WE PUT IN THE ENTRANCE OFF OF GREENLEE CEMETERY ROAD.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ENTRANCE ON 17.
THE COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT REQUIRED US TO HAVE ANOTHER INFERENCE BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED IT, OUR OVERALL PLAN CALLED FOR GOING WITH RESIDENTIAL LOT, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE HE'S NOW BEING.
WHEN SCHOOL, WHEN THE SCHOOL SALE CAME ALONG THE EXIT OUT TO HIGHWAY OR ENTRANCE, WHICHEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT OUT IN THE 17 WAS ALREADY THERE.
IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD TO ME TO CLOSE THAT ROAD AND WE'RE IN FULL FAVOR OF IT AND WE SUPPORT IT AND GO ALONG WITH IT IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT WERE BROUGHT UP HERE TONIGHT.
ONE IS THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE ON HIGHWAY 17.
I'VE LIVED IN NEWBURGH SINCE 1940, AUGUST 23RD, 1947.
UH, MY FAMILY RAISED ME OUT THERE ON THE HIGHWAY.
I GREW UP RIGHT WHERE NEWMAN HIGH SCHOOL IS NOW I OWN 107 ACRES AND IMMEDIATELY JOINED THE NEWBURN HIGH SCHOOL.
I'M VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN THAT ENTIRE AREA OUT THERE.
I'M A MAJOR PARTNER IN A 3,700 FEET ALONG HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH.
I'M VERY INTERESTED IN HOW IT DEVELOPS.
I DON'T WANT TO DO A JOHN BROWN THING.
IT'S GOING TO HURT ANYBODY'S VALUE.
THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE FROM HAYWARD FARMS HAS GOT A RIGHT FOR THEIR PROPERTY, NOT TO BE HURT.
SO TO WHY I DON'T WANT TO HURT MY BAGGAGE EITHER.
SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME SIDE.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GET TO THE SAME POINT OF HOW WE DO IT.
THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS GOING TO DICTATE HOW MANY DRIVEWAYS CAN BE ON THAT 3,700 FEET OF FRONTAGE, UH, LONG WHERE THE MOBILE HOME SALES LOT IS PROPOSED IS GOING TO GET ONE.
I WAS TOLD BY MR. EVERETT, A DLT DISTRICT ENGINEER, THAT IF I GOT THREE MORE, I WOULD BE EXTREMELY LUCKY.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO DICTATE HOW MANY DRIVEWAYS CAN COME AFTER HIGHWAY 17 SALE? UH, NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, CITY OF NEWBURGH, MYSELF OR ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN DLT IS GOING TO DICTATE THAT THAT'S WHAT MR. EVERETT, EXCUSE ME.
WHAT MR. ERIC TOLD ME, UH, ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, UM, FAR AS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BEING, UH, ADJACENT OR ACROSS FROM A MOBILE HOME SALES LOT, UH, IT MAY BE THE FIRST ONE THAT IT IS PROPOSED ACROSS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT I KNOW WHERE DOES THE 118 ACRE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION BEING PLANNED? IT'S GOING TO BE ACROSS FROM AN EXISTING MOBILE HOME SALES LOT, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENT HOME SALES, LOT DIRECTLY ACROSS CAUSE I'M AN OWNER IN A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BUTTS THAT SUBDIVISION IS 118 ACRES SUBDIVISION GOING IN THERE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY EFFECT IT'S ACROSS 17, SAME AS WHEEL.
OKAY, LET ME MOVE ALONG TO GET HIS LEG.
BUT, UH, UH, UH, ALL OF THE ZONING ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT NOW FOR TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS, WHATEVER SUBDIVISION IS PUT.
AND MIKE REMINDED ME THE NIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET A SUBDIVISION APPROVAL ON ALL OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE SMALL THINGS ON 17, AS WELL AS THE LARGER PIECE BUFFERS HAVE TO PUT HE PUT IN, ACCORDING TO THE LAND USE PLAN, UH, BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, YOUR DRIVEWAY LAYOUTS, YOU INGRESS, NEAT GRASS.
ALL OF THAT STUFF IS ADDRESSED
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IN THE LAND USE PLAN.AND I WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WHOEVER DEVELOPS IT WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ANYWAY, UM, THE URGENCY TONIGHT ON THE 300 FOOT PIECE IS, AND THE REASON I'VE CAUSED THIS PROBLEM TONIGHT, I GUESS, IS WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE SALE HERE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE AT LEAST THE ZONING, THEY HAVE STILL GOTTEN THE DESIGN TO LAY OUT.
THEY'VE GOT THE DUE TO THEIR LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I HOPE YOU'LL GIVE IT A POSITIVE CONSIDERATION.
UH, FAR AS THE MOBILE HOMES BLOCKING IN GENTLEMAN'S CONCERN WITH, WITH TRAFFIC GOING INTO HAYWOOD FARMS. I AGREE WITH HIM.
I DON'T WANT ANY MORE TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR MOBILE HOME TO BACK OUT OF THIS LOT PROPOSED LOT SITE AND BE ABLE TO, TO BLOCK TRAFFIC TO THE POINT THAT IT CAN TURN AND GO THROUGH HATER FARM, BUT IT CAN'T DO THAT.
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
UH, IT CAN'T, SO IT MAKES A LEFT TURN, NOT
CAN WE GO BACK TO OPTION THREE? CAN WE DO SOMETHING, MIKE, PLEASE TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SATISFY BOTH ENTITIES AND DO IT AS QUICKLY AND EXPEDITIOUSLY.
WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND ARGUE.
ONCE WE CHANGE IT BACK, ANY, IT'S NOT THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT A DARK AND B OR ANY OTHER PERSON.