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FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS THE SERVICE.
EXPLAIN THAT TO US, COME DOWN.
THEY'RE VERY DEDICATED SERVICES AND THE CITIZENS, WE BUILD THIS IN A YEAR.
WE'D RECOGNIZE THOSE EMPLOYEES FIVE YEARS, TWO YEARS, 15 YEARS, 20 YEARS, 25 AND 30.
AND ALSO THOSE WHO HAVE RETIRED WITHIN THE YEAR.
SO AT THIS TIME
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ROBBIE DON'T YOU STAND IN FRONT OF HENRY OKAY.WHEN I ASKED ABOUT MR AND JULIE, WE MOVED NUMBER SEVEN.
WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU NOTICE THAT ON NUMBER, UM, THAT REQUEST AND PETITION, WE HAVE MR. DENSON, WHO THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS SAID HE WANTS TO SPEAK IT, AND WE GOT TO THE TAXI CAB TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF RIGHT QUICK.
SHE SAID THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON SPEAK UNDER THE PETITION OF, AND SO WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT AND THEN WE'LL GO TO NOW WELL, ALL MY PAPERWORK AND EVERYTHING IS ALL IN AND I'M JUST ON A VOTE.
HE WENT TO TOXIC FRANCHISE AND THEY WANT IT TO END THERE'S ONE AVAILABLE.
WHAT DO, I MEAN, DID WE VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT? OH, I THOUGHT I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA SINCE I RECEIVED.
WELL, HE HAD REQUESTED THAT IT BE PUT ON THE AGENDA.
AND I THINK THAT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS IT'S BEEN PUT UNDER REQUESTS AND PETITIONS, BUT HE HAD REQUESTED FROM A
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LADY AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.THAT'D BE PUT ON THE AGENDA TO BE ADDRESSED TONIGHT, BUT THERE'S NOT AN ORDINANCE HASN'T BEEN PREPARED.
HE WANTED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON IT, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW.
AND AGAIN, LET ME READ WHAT THAT IS BY THE WAY, AS A PUBLIC HEARING, TO CONSIDER CLOSING THE PORTION OF HAYWOOD FARMS ROAD, WHICH CONSISTS OF A PARCEL OF LAND 60 FEET WIDE, FOUR FEET DEEP, WHICH LIES BETWEEN US HIGHWAY 17 AND HABER FARM SECTION FOR NOW.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD BACK IN DECEMBER ASKED STAFF TO STUDY LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES ALONG HIGHWAY 17, UH, GENERALLY FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL OUT TO ROCKY RUN ROAD, THEIR REQUEST WAS MADE IN REACTION TO TWO PROPOSED REZONINGS THAT HAD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF US, 17, THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER A GROUP OF FOLKS, INCLUDING PROPERTY OWNERS, NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS, D O T ENGINEERS AND PLANNERS, UH, AND PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CRAVEN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD TO LOOK AT LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.
THIS WORK WORKING GROUP SPENT ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF HOURS, ONE DAY GOING THROUGH VARIOUS ISSUES AND CAME UP WITH NINE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION ALONG THIS CORRIDOR AT 17, THREE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AFFECTED THE AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, 17 AND, UM, HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE THIS EVENING, UH, BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, THAT OF, UH, CLOSING HAYWOOD FARMS ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF HAYWARD FARMS ROAD AND U S 17.
THOSE ISSUES ALONG WITH THE ZONING ISSUES ON THE NORTH SIDE WERE REPORTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AT ITS PEGGY WORRY.
THE THIRD MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD CONSIDERED THOSE AND UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED THOSE TO THE BOARD.
ALL I WILL BE FOCUSING ON ONE OF THOSE AREAS OF RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING, THE OTHER AREAS DEALING WITH THE ZONING ISSUES ON THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE SEVEN NORTHERN SIDE OF 17TH, WE'LL COME UP AT A LATER BOARD INVOLVED IN THE MEETING.
I HAVE A FEW SLOT OVERHEAD, UH, SHEETS HERE THAT I'D LIKE TO GO OVER A FEW POINTS.
UH, AS FAR AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARDS RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE ISSUE OF THE CLOSING OF PAPER ROAD, SEE THAT REASONABLY WELL AND LOOKING AT IT, UM, THE CLOSING OF INFORMS ROAD, THE INTER-CLASS AND, UH, PROS AND CONS.
UM, ONE OF THE PRONE POSITION WAS THAT IT WOULD ELIMINATE, UM, ALL THE CUT-THROUGH TRAFFIC THAT IS PAIN.
SECONDLY, IT WOULD PROVIDE A QUICK ANSWER OR RESPONSE TO THE RESIDENT'S CONCERNS ABOUT CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
IF A BOARD TOOK ACTION TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE OFF.
SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY THE WORKING GROUP WAS ONE THAT IT CREATED AN APPROXIMATELY 3,300 FOOT LONG COL-DE-SAC, UM, 1200 FEET IS THE MAXIMUM WILL ALLOW IN THE CITY ORDINANCE, UH, FORECLOSE.
THAT IS GENERALLY, UH, WHAT WE FIND THROUGHOUT THE SAY, AS FAR AS THE CITY ORDINANCES, UH, OR CALL THE SACKS.
ANOTHER CONCERN WAS THAT IT WOULD HAMPER ACCESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD URGENCY
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AND SERVE THE STATE ONE WAY IN THINNING ON THE LOCATION OF THE EMERGENCY OR NEED, IT COULD NEED A LONGER THREE UP AND ALSO WHETHER OR NOT THEY REFORMED FOR THE MAIN BLOCK AT SOME POINT, UH, THERE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER MEANS OF, UH, READY ACCESS TO THE AREA.THE THIRD AREA WOULD BE POTENTIAL INCONVENIENCE FOR RESIDENTS THAT MIGHT BE ACCUSTOMED TO HOLDING OUT ON THE 17, UH, TO GO TO THEIR DESTINATION VERSUS HAVING TO GO BACK OUT TO, UH, RIVER ROAD, UH, AND THE LIGHT TO ACCESS 17.
UH, ALONG WITH THAT, UH, HIGH COST RELATION, UH, A CALL TO SET, UH, VERSUS OTHER MEANS OF CALMING THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT BARRIER, CUTTING DOWN ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND FOUR OF THE, UM, FOR INSIDIOUS THE ENGINEER FOR THE TRACTOR PLANNERS, UH, THAT WE HAD STUDIED THE ISSUE MOST RECENT ONE, UH, LAST WEEK, UH, THEY OPPOSED THE CLOSING, UH, FOR SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE REASONS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND IS THAT ONCE THAT EXIT OR ENTRANCE IS TAKEN AWAY AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRICING MORE PRESSURE ON RIVER ROAD.
AND THAT INTERSECTION WITH TODDLER 17, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT FOLLOWED FROM THIS EVALUATION AND STUDY IS, UH, BASICALLY GETTING THE OPTIONS HERE.
THERE MAY BE MORE, UH, OR THE IMMEDIATE ONE WAS TO TAKE WHOLE FILE ACTION ON THE CLOSING TABLE AND TO CONDUCT A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH RESIDENTS AND TO GET A TEAM TO METERS.
AND THIS THING FROM THE MUNICIPAL ASSISTANCE MANAGEMENT, THEY GIVE ASSISTANCE TO MUNICIPALITIES ON WORKING WITH SOME OF THEIR TRAFFIC FLOW AND TRANSPORTATION CONCERNS.
THEY ARE THE GROUP THAT IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL IN PARKING AND ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA OF THE CITY TO OBJECTIVE PROCREATE, ATTRACTIVE CONTROL DEVICES FOR THE AREA POSSIBLE.
UH, OPTION TWO WOULD BE, UH, ONCE AGAIN, NOT CLOSED INTERVIEWS, MORE AND MORE ATTRACTIVE, OR SEE A STATE, SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU SEE BETWEEN THE PREGNANT COUNTY COURTHOUSE.
IT TAPERS UP A RACIST
SO AN ADDITIONAL STOP SIGNS TO CUT DOWN ON THE TRACKING.
A THIRD OPTION UNDER B IS A ONE WAY OR ONE WAY OUT FOR THAT LAST 400 FEET OF PAY WITH FARMS ROAD AND INTERSECTION WAS RECOMMENDED BY A FRIEND FROM GREENVILLE WAS A SITUATION WHERE AS YOU'RE COMING OUT OF ALL 17 FROM THE FORMS, AND YOU HAVE A ONLY FROM
SO ALL OF THE TUFTS PRACTICE WITH THE ONLY INTERSECTION
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OPTION D HERE IS THAT IF THE DECISION IS MADE TO CLOSE THE STREET, THAT THE CITY SHOULDUH, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, A CITY ENGINEER THAT IT WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR, UH, UM,
UM, SECONDLY, UM, AND THIS DOESN'T REALLY REFLECT ON YOUR CLOSING ITSELF, BUT IT'S AN ISSUE AFFECTING
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS FIRST.
YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO DO A STUDY AND TELL THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHAT THEY NEED, BUT THIS IS NOT A QUICK FIX.
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR, THEY'VE STARTED THIS THING FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS, THE VERB, THE TRAFFIC THEY'VE CONSIDERED A PROS AND CONS TO CONSIDER THE INCONVENIENCE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE OUT OF THE QUESTION, BUT MOSTLY THEY CONSIDER IT A SAFETY FACTOR FOR THEIR CHURCH AND MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THAT AREA.
AND THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION TO MAKE AN IDENTIFICATION FROM THE, FROM THE CITIZENS OF THAT AREA.
AND THEN I THINK A SHORT TAIL, AND MAYBE WE COULD MAKE THAT SET UP OVER THERE BY FOUR MINUTES.
SO IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE BOARD, I'D LIKE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT
SO YOU'RE SAYING STILL MAINTAIN AN ENTRANCE CAPABILITY AND THIS CAPABILITY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE STREETS.
YOU SEE IT THERE, BUT IT WAS ANSWERING YOUR, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
WELL, ANOTHER WAY, AND I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS EXPRESSED, UH, ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST YEAR WE'RE UP NEAR THE BORDER.
EXTREME OF GREENBERG ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES.
THE FACT THAT THEY'RE DEAD ENDED AND THERE'S NO WAY, WELL, THERE IS A WAY
IF YOU COULD GET OUT OF THE QUESTION IS HOW COULD YOU LIMIT SUCH AN ACCESS TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES? WOULDN'T PEOPLE JUST GO AHEAD AND USE IT WITH THE DESIGN A MATERIAL, IF YOU USE, UM, THE INTERSECTION, UM, HEY, WITH FARMS SIGNS UP,
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THEY DID NOT CLOSE THE STREET WE COULD NOT KEEP A STREET, EVEN AN EMERGENCY WITH THE BREAKAWAY BOLLARDS.IN OTHER WORDS, THAT IDEA WON'T WORK.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE STATUTE SAYS THAT WHEN YOU CLOSE THE PROPERTY,
THE OTHER THING THAT I, THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS DEFINING IT AS A 3,300 FOOT CALL TO SAC BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A 3,300 FOOT CALL TO SAC.
IF THAT CHANGE HAS MADE THE CALL TO SAC, TO MY UNDERSTANDING IS A STREET THAT HAS NO STREETS LEADING OFF OF IT AND THAT DEAD ENDS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH WE'RE DEALING WITH WOULD BE A 3,300 FOOT DEAD END ROAD WITH CULDESAC LEADING OFF OF IT.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF 3,300 FOOT DEAD IN ROADS IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA SEMANTICS SO, UH, BUT, UH, UH, UH, POSSIBLE WHAT WE'VE BEEN REQUESTED BY ENGINEERING TO REQUEST A 30 FOOT PAIN THROUGH.
THEY ARE ALLOWED PROPER SEPARATION OF WATER AND SEWER LINES AND YOUR, THE, I CAN SEE THAT VIDEO WANTS TO GET RID OF THE PLAYER, WHOEVER THE REPRESENTATIVE.
MY NAME IS RICK PENDLETON, UM, RESIDE AT 4,602 HAYWOOD FARMS ROAD.
HI,
YOU LOOK TALLER, SITTING UP THERE.
ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN WHERE WE'RE ALL THREE RESIDENTS OF HAYWOOD FARMS, THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN BACK HERE LISTENING AND WE CAN COUNT OR ANYTHING THAT YOU SAID.
THE MAIN THING IS WE HAVE CHILDREN EVERY DAY THAT LEAVE THE SCHOOL, WALK HOME, WE'LL FOLLOW IT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY GO TO WHAT HEYWOOD CREEK LANDING.
WE WANT TO SHOW YOU IN FACT, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE, WE'D LIKE YOU TO SEE THIS VIDEO BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU WHAT WE FACED AND WHAT THESE CHILDREN AND PARENTS AND MOTHERS FACE EVERY DAY.
SO IF YOU WOULD POP THAT THING, THAT'S GOOD.
UH, THAT WHITE VAN IS TRAVELING AT 25 MILES PER HOUR.
UH, IN FACT, UH, KELLY BROWN, WHO'S DRIVING THAT VAN.
SHE'S VERY CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT TRAVELING AT THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT.
SO THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW FAST THAT SHE'S GOING AT THIS POINT.
THE REAL KIDS ARE GOING TO BE LATE FOR SCHOOL.
I THINK I CAN TELL WHAT, OKAY, HERE WE GO.
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THERE'S A GOOD ONE GOING YEAH, WE DID A SURVEY AND A HERE IN JUST A SECOND.I'M GOING TO HAVE HIM STOP IT AGAIN.
WE, UM, SHE BASICALLY WENT BACK AND REVIEWED THE TAPE AND SHE COUNTED 31 VEHICLES DURING THIS 30 MINUTES THING.
THAT WAS ABOUT POINT AND A, WHICH ROUGHLY ESTIMATES TO A ONE, ONE VEHICLE FROM HIM DURING 30 MINUTES.
THE KEY POINT, THERE IS ONLY THREE OF THOSE VEHICLES WERE RESIDENTS OF HALO THAT ARE 28 WERE FROM FOLKS COMING THROUGH YEAH, THIS IS THE AFTERNOON.
NOW THIS IS, UH, ROUGHLY THREE O'CLOCK AGAIN, ANOTHER 30 MINUTES, A POINT IN TIME SHE WANTED TO AND THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE IS REALLY A CONCERN FOR US.
UH, USUALLY SEE THERE IS SHE'S SLOWING DOWN, BUT THAT'S ALMOST A 90 DEGREE CURVE THERE.
AND YOU HAVE KIDS WALKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
UH THAT'S THAT'S UH I MEAN, THE LIKE GOING TO THE SCHOOL, PICKING UP THE KIDS AND THAT IS THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE, A LOT OF THEM ARE AND THAT AREA I SAW DOWN NEAR WHERE IT STOPPED SO THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY PICKING THEM UP AND WENT OUT ON 17.
EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE DROPPING THEM OFF TO OBJECT TO RIGHT THERE, SIR.
JUST TO COMMENT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THE OPTION D IS WHICH WAY WE'RE LEANING.
IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS, SOME OF THE STUFF THEY BROUGHT UP, SPEED BUMPS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD.
THEY WANT SPEED BUMPS AND TANKS.
WE GOT 50 CALLED US B, BUT I DON'T CALL IT A SPEED BUMP.
IT'S JUST A NICE, PRETTY WALKWAY STOP SIGN.
I'VE BEEN UP ON THE BOARD, SAT AND SAT THERE AND FOUGHT AND ARGUED ABOUT FOUR WAY STOP SIGNS.
AS FAR AS I KNOW THIS BOARD IS NOT AN OPTION.
IF WE START TRYING TO DIRECT WHICH WAY THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO TURN THERE, IT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT INTERSECTION AT HAYWOOD FARM THE 17, MUCH MORE DANGEROUS THAN IT IS NOW.
SOMEONE WILL GET HURT OUT THERE.
IF WE TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE IT.
I'M SORRY, BUT I BELIEVE THE PROBLEM HAS GOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO AND TRY TO ENFORCE THEM A LEFT TURN.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS TAKE SOMEONE TO BRUSH HER OFF THE CITY.
SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT,
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WE MAKE THAT WE MAKE IT A CALL TO SACK.WE TURN IT INTO A, UH, KEEP IT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS IT'S GOING TO BE SAFER FOR OUR CHILDREN'S WILL BE SEPARATE FOR THE CHILDREN.
AND FUTURE WILL BE SAFE FOR THOSE KIDS THAT GO TO SCHOOL FROM THE TRENTWOOD AREA THAT THAT RATHER BIKES WALKED TO SCHOOL.
UH, MR. MAY YOU LIVE ON ABOUT A 3,300 FOOT CULDESAC, DON'T YOU, UH, GOTTA WANT TO HEAR
IT'S GOT ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT CYBER SHOWS ONE WAY IN ONE WAY AT RIGHT ACROSS FROM US IN THE TOWN OF TRUMP, WHO IS THIS HAYWARD CREEK LANDING ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAD ONE FIRE OUT THERE AND HEY, WE CAN FORMED THE CHIMNEY FIRE.
WHICH WAY THE FIRE TRUCK GAVE ME CAME IN FROM RIVER ROAD.
IT MAY TAKE, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'D BE ENOUGH TIME DIFFERENCE.
YOU COMING OFF RIVER ROAD AND GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HAYWARD FORMS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE IS NO WORSE THAN CLOSING B STREET.
WE DID THAT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE TRUCKS GO AROUND THE OTHER WAY.
YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO.
AND THAT'S WHAT GOOD FIRE TRUCK ENGINEERS, NOT DRIVERS, ENGINEERS.
WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO HAVE THIS THING CLOSED.
WE WANT TO KEEP HATING WITH FARMS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT IS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IS 17 DEVELOPS OUT THERE.
THAT'S GOING TO BECOME MORE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
PEOPLE TRYING TO CUT AND MISS THOSE STOPLIGHTS.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH ACCESSIBILITY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
YES MA'AM WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE RIVER ROAD, WHICH WOULD, CAN GET TO ANY PLACE QUICK, ALMOST AS QUICK, PROBABLY AS QUICK AS YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY DOWN 17 AND CUT ACROSS, UH, THERE'D BE ONE ENTRANCE, ONE PAVED ENTRANCE.
IF, IF WE HAD AN EMERGENCY AS SUCH, WE CAN DEVISE IT SO THAT WE CAN COME OUT AND BY THE SCHOOL, IF IT HAD TO BE THAT TYPE OF
SO IT'S JUST A, IT'S A MATTER OF SAFETY FOR OUR CHILDREN AND ANYTHING ELSE AND CONVENIENCE.
WE WANT THE CONVENIENCE OF HAVING THAT NICE, QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE DESERVE BEFORE.
I TALKED TO MR. MORGAN RAINS ABOUT THAT.
HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE ROAD IN TO BEGIN WITH AT THE COUNTY MADE HE PUT THE ROAD IN BECAUSE EVERYONE WOULD PUT SECTIONS 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT OR HAYWOOD FORUMS. AND HE NEEDED ANOTHER ENTRANCE.
WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A SECTION 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT.
AND THERE'S ABOUT 65 HOUSES IN THERE.
SO IT'S NOT A HUGE COMMUNITY, BUT WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WITH THIS, THE VALUE, ANY REQUIREMENTS OF CODES OR ANYTHING BY CLOSING THAT WAY AT ALL.
IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THE THING IS THAT IF YOU PEOPLE FOR LIVE OUT THERE CLOSE AT ALL THE ONES TERM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY LIVE BY DEFINITION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU A QUESTION.
I WANT TO, MY BROTHER SUGGESTED
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I DO NOT HAVE ANY YOUNG CHILDREN.
I WILL SAY THAT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE FOR ONE THING I NEVER SIGNED ANY PETITION TO CLOSE THIS OFF.
NO ONE CAME TO MY DOOR AND SAID CLOSE UP.
SO I DON'T THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE IN THIS SUBDIVISION THAT FEELS MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T BE CLOSED.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING.
CAUSE I'M RETIRED AT ALL TIMES OF DAY AND AT MOST I SEE MAYBE TWO CARS ON HAYWOOD FARMS WHEN I'M OUT THERE.
I AM NOT THERE AT THREE O'CLOCK AND I'M NOT THERE AT EIGHT.
WHENEVER THEY TAKE THE KIDS TO SCHOOL.
BUT THE REST OF THE TIME, THERE IS PRACTICALLY NO TRAFFIC AT ALL.
BUT I LIVE, I LIVE ON CRAMPY CIRCLE, WHICH IS AWFUL.
IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THE VOTE TONIGHT.
I ANTI, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT IF, IF YOU EVER HAVE ANY FRIENDS IN RIVERBEND AND YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN OFF RIVER ROAD, WHICH IS VERY CONGESTED AND WAIT IN LINE FOR THE LEFT TURN LIGHT, THAT IS A VERY LONG LEFT TURN LIGHT.
THAT MEANS EVERY TIME YOU GO DOWN 17 SOUTH, YOU'VE GOT TO LINE UP ON THAT NEAR A LITTLE ROAD BY SAMANTHA'S AND THE SUBWAY.
THAT'S VERY CROWDED IN THAT CORNER AND THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR ONLY EXIT.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS I DO NOT THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK THERE MUST BE SOME OTHER WAY, LIKE PUTTING UP SIGNS, SAYING NOT A THROUGH STREET OR BLOCKING OFF THAT ONE LITTLE ROAD WHERE EVERYBODY SEEMS TO COME DOWN AND DROP THEIR CHILDREN OFF.
IF THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING.
I MEAN, THERE ARE ALL THESE CARS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH.
ARE THEY COMING FROM, WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? TRENT WOODS.
BUT WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? DO THEY COME FROM TRENT LEWIS? YOU STOPPED EVERY CAR AND SAID, WHERE ARE YOU FROM? HOW DO YOU KNOW DRIVE DOWN THERE? Y'ALL Y'ALL HAVE TO WAIT.
WE HAVE TO RUN THIS ON A SEMI ALL THE WAY.
SO WE'LL TAKE YOUR VOTE AS A MODE.
WHEN ASKED TO VOTE, IT MIGHT BE SOMEONE ELSE WAS LIKE, NOW, ONE OTHER PERSON BACK HERE.
UH, JOHN'S THE GORSKY? 48 0 1 HAYWOOD FARMS ROAD.
I LIVE ON THE BAD CURVE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND JUST TO CLEAR Y'ALL'S MIND, THE SCHOOL YARD IS IN MY BACKYARD A FEW YEARS AGO, THERE WE HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH EVERYBODY DROPPING HER KIDS OFF.
I TALKED TO THE PRINCIPAL AND THE LOVELY LADY.
SHE IMMEDIATELY SENT OUT BROCHURES AND EDUCATED TO THE PARENTS WHO WERE TAKING THE KIDS AND DROPPING THEM OFF THERE.
AND I HATE TO SAY THIS FOR OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE DOWN AT MY END.
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NOW, MY KIDS ARE GROWN AND IN COLLEGE, BUT TO ME IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE OUGHT TO BE A STUDY A LITTLE BIT MORE STUDY.CAUSE I WAS KIND OF LISTENING HERE TONIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS ON THE OTHER END.
I MEAN, WITH ALL THE TRENDS WITH PEOPLE COMING IN, UH, RIVER ROAD.
IS THAT NOT WHAT IT IS? IS THAT NOT GOING TO CONGEST THAT STOPLIGHT THERE? IS IT GOING TO BE MORE DANGEROUS FOR US TRYING TO GET OUT OF HAYWOOD FARMS? YES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUE.
UH, IF SOMEBODY CAN PROMISE ME THAT YEAH, THE AMATEUR FIRETRUCKS CAN GET INTO MY END.
IF SOMEBODY CAN PROMISE ME, SOMEBODY CAN GET IN THERE.
UH, THE SCHOOL HOUSE IS IN MY BACKYARD.
WE HAVE TWICE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OF THE LITTLE KIDS WALKING HOME, THEN THE PARENTS DROPPING THEM OFF.
SO I, TO ME, I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S COVERED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON THE TRENT WOOD PARK.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU STOP MY END, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO CAUSE ANOTHER PROBLEM AT THE OTHER END.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT RICK, I MEAN, WE STUDIED MY CORNER AND THE TRAFFIC AROUND MY CORNER.
HAVE WE HAVE WE STUDIED HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS ON THE ROAD? CAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN ON RIVER ROAD BECAUSE HIGHWAY 17, I JUST GRABBED MY DRIVEWAY, TAKE A LEFT AND I'M ON HIGHWAY 17.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S COVERED NOW BECAUSE YOU CAME OVER AND TAUGHT MS. TINGLE TODAY.
I BACKED DOWN IN MY DRIVEWAY AND HE TAUGHT ME.
BUT THERE IS TWO WAYS THAT WHEN YOU GO OUT THE OTHER WAY AND THERE YOU CAN GO OUT AND BUY SOME MENTORS, THEN YOU CAN GO AROUND AND GO OUT, UH, HAVE A STREET FIGHT AROUND BY THE CEMETERY.
AND SO YOU GOT TO WAIT, WANT THE HIGHWAY? OH, UM, I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY THAT MAYBE WOULD BE GOOD.
YOU KNOW, IF, UM, SINCE THERE, THERE ARE CONCERNS FROM THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS.
IF YOU, IF WE TABLED IT UNTIL THEY HAD A CHANCE TO BOOK COMMUNITY MEETING OR SOMETHING SO THAT THEY COULD ASK HER THESE QUESTIONS IN THEIR OWN.
YES WELL, WELL WAIT, WHERE'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE OR TAKE A FEW PERCENT, OBVIOUSLY 85% OR SO IT WAS PEOPLE THAT SIGNED.
I MEAN, RESIDENTS THERE WON'T, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEGLECT THE OTHER 15%.
I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES THAT EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST IT AND SAID THAT THEY RECOGNIZE IT AS POSSIBLE DANGER TO THE KIDS AND THE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, OTHERS DEVELOP A LITTLE BIT OLDER, SO THEY'RE NOT WALKING ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET.
HE BRINGS UP A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH, IS IT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU BLOCK IT ALL? AND I GUESS IT'S ALL KINDS OF THEORIES AND THAT YOU BLOCK IT ALL.
WHAT I FELT SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD IDEA, BUT WHO KNOWS IF IT WOULD WORK BECAUSE LIKE RICK'S TALKING ABOUT IT.
AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT, IT WAS MAKING THE PEOPLE TURN ONLY ONE WAY, BECAUSE THEN ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT OBVIOUSLY COME IN AT SCHOOL TIME, IT MUST BE, THAT MUST BE ONE AT FOUR.
I WOULDN'T BE AT THAT TIME, IF THEY COULDN'T TURN LAYUP MODI TO GET THROUGH IT CAN'T MAKE A LIVE.
SO BUT I THINK IT WOULD KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIX THAT.
SO YOU DID NOT MAKE A RIGHT BACK IN FROM THAT DIRECTION.
YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE A LEFT BECAUSE IT'S THE LEFT GOING THAT WAY IS WHAT THE SIGN WOULD SAY.
THE OTHER WAY I'M IN FROM THIS, YOU COULD DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK YOU'LL FIND IF ANYBODY IN HERE HAS ANY OBJECTION TO SAVE HIS LIFE.
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I LIKED HIM TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE HIMSELF IF BY CHANCE, I DIDN'T GET TO THE END OF THE I'M SAFE.ANYWAY, THAT THE IDEA BEING TO GET RID OF THE TRAFFIC, THESE PEOPLE ARE THEY USING IT FOR A THROUGH CONDUIT OBVIOUSLY AT SCHOOL TIME.
AND THEN IF THAT WERE A POSSIBILITY, ONE WAY TO DO IT, BE TO PUT THE, MY LIFT OR I MAY LIFT HER AND OWN IT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THEN IT BECOMES A MATTER OF WHETHER YOU CAN ENFORCE IT OR NOT.
IF WE PERMANENTLY PLUG UP THIS ROAD AND FIND THAT WE CREATED A TRAFFIC DISASTER, NOW I'LL NAIL THE END.
SO IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET AT CAUSE LIKE WHERE I LIVE.
SO I MIGHT'VE BROUGHT ON THE DAY AND I'M ON.
IF YOU GOT DOWN THAT STRAIGHT THERE TO GO BESIDES ONE WHERE THEY STOPPED BUILDING, WHY CAME ALONG? I GUESS IT WOULDN'T PUT ME IN A MENTAL HOSPITAL THAT ON ME.
SO THERE'S STILL YOU CALL THE SACKS BECAUSE IN HOUSTON THERE, AND THEN YOU OUT OF IT.
IF WE PUT A CUL-DE-SAC ON THE END OF THIS ROAD AND CLOSED IT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD BE PUNCHED THROUGH AND OPEN IT BACK UP, JUST LIKE THE DEAD ON MY ROAD, IF WE HAD TO, IF HIS MOUNTAIN WORKING, NOT WORKING, MEANING THAT WE'VE CAUSED TRAFFIC HAS ASKED US WHAT I'M SAYING IS I PERSONALLY WANT TO SAY THE TRAFFIC STOP.
THAT'S MORE THAN YOU, BUT I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
AND YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
SO I THINK WHATEVER WE DO ON THE BEADS REVERSIBLE ITSELF, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE IT'S TIME FOR THIS.
THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT THE COMMENTS.
UM, SINCE MR.
WHAT HAPPENS IS EVENTUALLY YOUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IN YOUR CITY STARTS ENDING UP WITH BOTTLENECKS AND STARTS NOT WORKING.
IF THAT DECISION IS BASED ON SOUND ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
UH, BUT TO TAKE THIS KIND OF ACTION, I THINK SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AND BEGINS A PIECEMEAL PROCESS TO LOWERING THE EFFICIENCY, THE EFFECTIVENESS, THE SAFETY OF OUR OVAL, ALL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN EXAMPLES OF, UH, THAT WERE CITED ABOUT OTHER LONG CUL-DE-SACS.
THEY DO NOT REPRESENT THE IDEAL FROM, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION AND SAFETY STANDPOINT.
AND I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE HELD UP AS A MODEL FOR WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
UH, THE IDEA OF A LEFT AND ONLY COMING FROM TOWN AND A RIGHT OUT ONLY GOING BACK TOWARD TOWN WAS SUGGESTED BY ED LAKE.
WHO'S OUR ENGINEER OUT OF GREEN GREENVILLE.
AND HE HAS INDICATED THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE TEMPORARY CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW THERE, UH, TO SEE HOW IT WOULD WORK TO SEE IF IT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR CONCERN THAT THEY DID NOT WANT IT CLOSED.
THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE TEMPORARY TEST.
IF YOU WILL, UH, TO SEE IF THAT WOULD, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION.
THEREFORE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WHAT WE DO IS TO CONTACT D O T ASKED THEM TO TRY THE ONE WAY AND LEFT COMING FROM TOWN ONE WAY OUTRIGHT, GOING BACK TOWARD TOWN AND LET US EVALUATE THAT BECAUSE ONCE WE TAKE THE FINAL ACTION TO CLOSE THE ROAD, I THINK WE GET
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INTO QUESTIONS AS MR. WARD STATED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO PUNCH THAT, UH, ROAD BACK THROUGH.UH, AND, AND I REALLY THINK IT, IT NEEDS A STUDY AND IT NEEDS TO BE BASED ON SOUND ENGINEERING PRINCIPLES, DO IT.
AND WE WOULD GIVE THE CITY THE NECESSARY THAT WAY ON BOTH SIDES ROAD, DOWN TO THE POSSIBLE LAND FOR US TO HAVE SOME WAY
MIKE HAS, HAS, UH, TOUCHED ON MOST OF WHAT I HAD WRITTEN DOWN HERE THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS.
IF WE CLOSE THAT STREET, GET READY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ON SPENCER AVENUE ARE GOING TO MOVE THERE AS CLOSED BECAUSE THEY ALSO DON'T WANT THE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AVENUE, RIM AVENUE, JIMMY'S CREEK, THE GRAPHICAL, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS MY TURN, UH, THE GRAPH.
AND DIDN'T LIKE THE THROUGH TRAFFIC.
SO THIS BOARD UNWISELY AND AGAINST MY WISHES VOTED TO PUT FOUR-WAY STOP SIGNS, THINKING THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
AND NOW THEY WANT SOMETHING DOWN THERE.
WHY NOT CLOSE THOSE STREETS AND MAKE THEM PRIVATE STREETS? IT'S LIKE MIKE SAYS, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEN THE CITY IS COMPLETELY BUILT ONE WAY STREETS BECAUSE IT MAKES IT SAFER.
YES, IT MAKES IT SAFER, BUT IT MAKES IT LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET ANYWHERE IN ANYTHING APPROACHING A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE HAVE PEOPLE IN GREENBRIAR WHO WERE TRYING TO GET A SECOND EXIT.
THEY HAVE WHAT THESE FOLKS WOULD CONSIDER AN IDEAL SITUATION, NO THROUGH TRAFFIC, AND THEY NEED A SECOND ENTRANCE ELIZABETH AVENUE.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY OVER THIS, BUT ELIZABETH AVENUE HAS BEEN VISUALIZED FOR MANY YEARS AS BEING A THROUGH STREET FROM SIMMONS STREET ALL THE WAY TO RACETRACK ROAD.
IT NEVER HAPPENED UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
WHAT ARE WE DOING? LONG RANGE TO OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
IF WE SUDDENLY START AT SET A PRECEDENT AT MAKING ALL OF THESE STREETS DEAD END OR COL-DE-SAC AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO TELL THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WANTS THEIRS? HOW ABOUT JIMMY'S CREEK? IF THEY COME UP HERE AND NEXT MEETING AND SAY, WE WANT ONE OF OUR EXITS CLOSED, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE GOING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO HIGHWAY 17.
THE STREETS WERE BUILT FOR THAT PURPOSE.
THE STREETS WERE MADE TO MOVE TRAFFIC.
NOW IT WAS NOT MADE TO ENDANGER THE LIVES OF CHILDREN.
IT WAS NOT MADE FOR PEOPLE TO SPEED, BUT THOSE ARE PROBLEMS THAT COME WITH TRAFFIC.
THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY GUARANTEE YOU THOSE SITUATIONS WOULD BE SOLVED BY CLOSING ONE END OF THE STREET.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT EVERY PERSON WHO EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT ON THAT STREET LIVES SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BECAUSE WHEN WE SET RADAR ON SPENCER AVENUE AND REM AVENUE, WE CATCH PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON SPENCER AVENUE AND RIM AVENUE, AS WELL AS PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THAT AREA.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME ALTERNATIVES AND NOT TAKE ACTION TONIGHT BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT US TO SET A PRECEDENT, WHICH WILL PUT US IN GREAT JEOPARDY OF LITERALLY DESTROYING THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH BY EVERYONE WANTING.
NOW THEY HAVE A REAL TRAFFIC PROBLEM WITH THE KIDS THAT OWN THE WEEKENDS CONGREGATE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, NEAR NEW CINEMA AND RUN BACK AND FORTH DOWN LONG VIEW TO GET OVER TO THE WEST NEWBURN RECREATION CENTER AND THEN TURN AROUND AND GO BACK.
HOW ABOUT LET'S JUST MAKE THAT DEAD END, WHERE IT REACHES ELIZABETH AVENUE, BECAUSE I'VE HAD TO REQUEST MANY REQUESTS TO DO SOMETHING, TO STOP THE TRAFFIC THERE.
30 CARS, 31 CARS IN 30 MINUTES IS NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THE PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST.
IT EXISTS ON TOO MANY STREETS IN NEWBURN.
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I AM.I'VE SERIOUSLY WANT THIS BOARD AT A WORK SESSION SOON TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF REQUIRING SIDEWALKS IN ANY FUTURE STREET CONSTRUCTION, ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, ANY SUBDIVISION, ANY NEW STREETS MUST HAVE SIDEWALKS, BUT NOW YOU TAKE RIM AVENUE.
AND I SEE THE KIDS WALKING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREETS, SPENCER AVENUE WITH SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
AND I SEE KIDS WALKING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, WHICH MEANS THERE IS NO PERFECT SOLUTION.
WE CANNOT FIND A PERFECT SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM.
WE HAVE SOME PARTIALLY GOOD SOLUTIONS SUGGESTED A NUMBER OF THEM WERE.
I THINK WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT WHICH ONE WILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT THESE PEOPLE NEED DONE.
AND I AGREE THAT YOU NEED TRAFFIC SLOWED DOWN AND YOU NEED, AND YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CHILDREN WALKING ON THE STREET.
BUT I THINK TO JUST CLOSE OFF THE STREET IS OPENING A PANDORA'S BOX OF PROBLEMS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WILL BE BACK TO THIS BOARD ASKING FOR DEAD END STREETS AND A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF THIS ONE IS DONE, BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T SPENCER AVENUE, PEOPLE ON RAM AVENUE, PEOPLE ON LONG VIEW HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AND THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE.
AND IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO JUST CLOSE THE STREET TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH PAID FOR THE STREET THROUGH THEIR TAXES AND THEREFORE HAVE A RIGHT TO USE IT, THEN I WANT TO SEE SOME OTHERS CLOSED THE SAME WAY SO THAT WE CAN STOP THE SPEEDERS ON THOSE STREETS AND PROTECT THOSE KIDS ALSO.
SO IF WE VOTE TO DO THIS, IF WE VOTE TO CLOSE THAT STREET PERIOD, THEN I CAN HAND YOU WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH PETITIONS TO CLOSED ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN MORE.
AND IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE THERE'S ANOTHER DOZEN.
EVERY WARD IS GOING TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
EVERY STREET IN THE CITY OF NEWBURN WAS BUILT WITH TAX DOLLARS FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOVING TRAFFIC, WHERE ANYBODY WANTS TO GO.
AND TECHNICALLY, IF I JUST WANT TO GO OUT AND TURN ON THAT STREET AND DRIVE THROUGH TO SEE WHAT'S THERE, I'VE GOT TWO IDEAS THAT STREET EVERYONE HAS.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM PRIVATE STREETS.
IF THE PEOPLE WANT TO REIMBURSE THE CITY OF NEWBURN FOR EVERY, THE AMOUNT OF EVERY TAX DOLLAR, IT TOOK TO BUILD THAT STREET, THEY CAN HAVE THE STREET AND THEN THEY CAN PAVE IT, KEEP IT UP.
THAT WAS THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN LAFAYETTE VILLAGE QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND WHEN IT CAME TIME TO REPAVE THE STREET, ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT STREET CAME BACK TO THE CITY REAL QUICK.
SO I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT THIS BE DELAYED UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH TO GIVE US TIME TO EXPLORE THE ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO SECOND IT WITH A COMMENT.
AND MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT I WOULD LIKE NOT TO, UM, MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN TOO MUCH DISCUSSION AND TOO MUCH CONTROVERSY ABOUT THE ISSUE FOR US TO RESPOND TO IT TONIGHT, BY CLOSING THE STREET.
I DON'T KNOW IF WAITING AND WHEN TO WAIT OR WHAT TO DO, BUT I THINK THAT IT, IT AT LEAST WARRANTS, MORE CONVERSATION AND MORE DISCUSSION.
AND, UH, SO FOR THAT REASON, I SECOND THE MOTION TO DELAY THE VOTE TONIGHT.
WELL, MR. MAYOR, I'M IN FAVOR OF WHATEVER THE RESIDENTS WANT.
HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS IRRETRIEVABLE.
UH, MR. AVERY CAME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTION THAT THE ONLY THING I WOULD WANT TO DO, IF THEY COME UP WITH SOME TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, WHICH WOULD HELP SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM, BUT LET'S HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON IT.
LET'S NOT LET IT LAST FOR SIX MONTHS OR EIGHT MONTHS.
LET'S DO THE RE-ENGINEERING OF THAT, UH, ENTRANCE AND EXIT I'M IN FAVOR, WHATEVER THE RESIDENTS WANT TO DO.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO JUMP INTO IT.
LET'S SET A TIME LIMIT IF THIS IS PERMISSIBLE BALLENGER, CAUSE IT'S HIS, HIS WARD.
AND I HAVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS IN MY WARD TOO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING AS IRRETRIEVABLE AND CLOSE THE STREET AND THEN FIND OUT IN SIX MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS THAT WE WANT TO OPEN IT UP AGAIN.
LET'S DO SOME SOPHISTICATED, UH, USER-FRIENDLY TRAFFIC ENGINEERING TO HELP SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM.
PLUS SOME ENFORCEMENT TO TRY TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC, WHICH IS, UH, IS A PROBLEM ALL OVER THE CITY.
AND LET'S DO IT ON A PHASE ONE PHASE, TWO OF ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS, WHICH WOULD MOST, UH, UH, APPROPRIATELY
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SOLVE THE PROBLEM.I DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO ANYTHING.
THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS WITH.
ONCE WE CLOSED THE STREET, IT WAS ONCE WE CLOSE IT, WE CAN NEVER OPEN IT UP AGAIN.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S DO SOMETHING THAT HAVE A TIME LIMIT ON.
YOU COULDN'T, IT'S VERY COSTLY TO OPEN IT BACK UP BECAUSE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REPURCHASE THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, MR. WARD JUST SAID, HE FELT YOU WERE TO, HE WOULD VOTE WITH HIS PARTNER, UH, BACKED UP NECESSARY.
YOU KNOW, THAT TAKES CARE OF IT, BACKED UP.
AND NOW THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE THEMSELVES.
THEY REALIZE THAT, AND NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS TOWN IS GOING TO PETITION.
THAT'S LIKE MAC SAID THE 12TH, UH, 85% OF THE PEOPLE.
SO THEY'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT.
THEY'VE BEEN UP THERE TWO OR THREE TIMES.
WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS AND THEN JAY AND THE PLANET PEOPLES WERE ALWAYS LIST BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING AT CERTAIN STATISTICS OR THEY DON'T LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE BEEN AT, SOME PEOPLE WENT THROUGH
THEY PUT A CIRCUIT AND THINGS IN THERE, BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO COME UP WITH THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED.
THEY EVER WANT TO LIVE OUT THERE, ELIMINATE INJUSTICE.
IF WE DON'T HELP THEM, THAT WE'VE ALREADY WORKED OUT OR IT CAN BE OPENED UP AGAIN.
IT COULD BE COULD ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE STREET ONE EXTRA WEEK, OR WHAT ARE WE SITTING HERE FOR? YOU KNOW, WE SIT THERE AND WANT TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE KNOCK GET 5% UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ONE STOCK, AND IF 85% IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, IT IS REASONABLE TO COME UP HERE AND I'LL VOTE FOR THAT TOO.
LET ME, UH, ALSO COMMENT ALONG WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD SITTING HERE TONIGHT.
NUMBER ONE, I DON'T THINK THE INTENT OF THAT STREET, EVEN BY THE DEVELOP MARTIN RAIN.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HERE, BUT HE'S TOLD ME THAT HE NEEDED.
AND THEN FOR THAT TO BE A THROUGH STREETS, WHEN HE LAID THE THING OUT, THE DOD CAME ALONG AND WANTED HIM TO HOOK IT UP.
AND FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THESE PEOPLE, THE MAIN PROBLEM IS IT SCHOOL.
SO THEREFORE THE IMPLICATION IS, IS PEOPLE TAKING YEAR FIVE FOR SCHOOL.
SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENDED FOR THAT.
HE HAD, I WOULD SAY WHAT I'M THINKING IS, NUMBER ONE, THE ROAD HAS EVOLVED INTO THAT, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE INTENDED PURPOSE OF THAT ROAD, WHERE SOME OF THESE OTHER STREETS THAT WE HAVE THE BEST STORE, IF THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, WERE INTENDED TO BE WHAT THEY ARE.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO AND MAKE A COMMENT TONIGHT.
AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE INDICATORS FOR THE INDICATORS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE SOME REAL HARD LISTS AT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN DEVELOPING AROUND THE CITY.
AND WE ARE DOING THINGS A LOT BETTER THAN THEY USED TO BE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WERE FORESEEING A POSSIBLE PROBLEM WITH PLUGGING OFF ALL THESE STREETS.
LET ME TELL YOU THAT JUST AS BIG A PROBLEM AND NOT FLAGGING SOME OF THEM, BECAUSE WE GOT A PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT AND FIX IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT I'M THINKING IS IT NUMBER ONE, WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
BUT TWO, THE 85% OF THE PEOPLE OUT THAT WANT TO CLOSE IT ALL, THEY ARE ONES THAT LIVE OUT THERE.
UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, WE CAN'T REVERSE IF WE FIND OUT IT IS CALAMITOUS.
AND, UH, I GUESS IF YOU DON'T WANT AIR AIR IN THE FAVOR OF GIVING TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE, THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT, THEN I'M GOING TO CALL YOU ABOUT MY CODE.
THE SECOND, IF I COULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
UH, AND, UH, BEING INVOLVED IN LAND SITUATIONS FOR MANY YEARS FROM WHEN I FIRST BEGAN WITH HUD PROGRAMS, UH, BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, UH, HAVING ONE OWNER SAYING THAT THEY WOULD AGREE TO GIVE IT BACK IN NO WAY, ASSURES THAT IT WOULD BE GIVEN BACK.
THEY'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS AND MURPHY'S LAW IS ALIVE AND WELL WHEN IT COMES TO REAL ESTATE SITUATIONS, I DO NOT FEEL THAT THERE IS ANY HARM DONE AND USING A TEMPORARY TEST OF THE LEFT AND RIGHT OUT, UH, IT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND IF IT WORKS, WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM MUCH EASIER THAN CLOSING OFF THE STREET.
AND FINALLY, I DO THINK IT, IT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, I HAVE HAD COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE, UH, TALKING ABOUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS JUST WANT TO CUT PEOPLE OUT FROM COMING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND, AND YES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OF COURSE A PART OF, UH, THE ISSUE.
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WE, AS A SOCIETY NEED TO, UH, BE WORKING TOGETHER MORE THAN CLOSING OURSELVES OFF FROM THE REST OF THE CITY.AND I DO THINK THAT LONG TERM, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF YOUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM DETERIORATE IF YOU BASE IT ON INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE IN A GIVEN NEIGHBORHOOD WANT TO CUT THEMSELVES OFF FROM THE TRANSPORTATION GRID THAT THE CITY USES TO MEET ITS NEEDS.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TRANSPORTATION GRID.
WHEN YOU MADE THAT COMMENT SORT OF IMPLICIT THAT SOMEBODY HAS LAID THIS THING OUT TO WORK AS HIS WORK.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A THROUGH STREET AS IT IS IT EVOLVED INTO ONE, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS CORRECT OR NOT.
D O T UM, AS A PART OF IT'S CONCERNED WITH SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE DID ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME CUT-THROUGH TRAFFIC THERE.
I'M SURE THEY WEREN'T, THAT'S THE WAY A SYSTEM WORKS.
UM, WE USED TO KNOW HOW TO BUILD STREETS AND YOU GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B BY MANY DIFFERENT APPROACHES AND TRAFFIC DISPERSED ITSELF.
AND THEN WE GOT SMART IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES AND STARTED BUILDING ALL THESE CUL-DE-SACS AND STARTED THROWING ALL THIS TRAFFIC TO ONE INTERSECTION AND STARTED GETTING BOTTLENECKS AND PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT'S HARD TO GET OUT.
IT TAKES LONGER TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B HAD, WE ACTED, CONTINUED TO ACT WISELY AND CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THE GRID SYSTEM.
UH, THEN WE WOULD HAVE MORE OPTIONS.
TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE BEEN DISPERSED AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE LOAD FALLING, ALL ORBIT, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE AREA.
IT WOULD BE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
NOW WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IN OUR PLANNING AND WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS, UH, IN RECENT YEARS, HE IS GETTING AWAY FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS TENDENCY TO CONCENTRATE IN BOTTLENECK, TRAFFIC, AND CAUSE PROBLEMS WHERE IT INTERSECTS INTO OUR MAJOR COLLECTOR AND ARTERIAL STREETS.
WELL, WHAT I'M SELLING IS FARMS AND NOT THE DMT YOU'VE COME AND KIND OF RODE THROUGH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, DDOT AND THE COUNTY WHO APPROVED IT AT THE TIME REQUIRED THAT THAT SECOND INTEREST BE PUT THERE.
I UNDERSTAND IT WAS ALREADY EVENT RESIDENTS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND THEIR SPRINKLER, I WANT TO EXPLAIN IS DID YOU KNOW, TO SIGN AS PART OF SOME MASTER PLAN FOR TRAFFIC IS MUCH THE WAY I SEE THE FACT THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS GOING TO BE A ROAD HERE.
LET'S UNPLUG IT AND NOW USE IT FOR FRUIT TRACK.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM, AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT REALLY THINGS OFF TO BE DONE.
AND OVERALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS EASY AS THE PUBLIC THINKS IT IS.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING TARGETS AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST ALL I'M SAYING IS THE MERE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE USE IT AT THIS TIME THAT THEY USE, IT TELLS YOU THAT IS TRAFFIC PEOPLE TAKING THE KIDS TO SCHOOL AND THEY USING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET THROUGH.
AND THAT PROBLEM, AND THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED IN MANY WAYS.
SHORT OF CLOSING OFF THE STREET.
I TRUST MR. WARD UP HERE TO HIT WORD THAT WE COULD NOTE THAT BACKED UP FOR FEELING PART OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WE KNOW, I THINK IT'D BE BEST TO TRY AND CLOSE IT AND SEE IF THEIR SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A DAY AT ISSUE THAT WE DECIDED TO HIT OR NOT.
SO WE JUST, THE OTHER WORDS, THE ONLY THING WE COULD CLOSE IT BY BARRICADING, BUT BY LAW, WE HAVE TO PUT A CALL SITE SITE, MARGINALLY VEHICLES CAN TURN AROUND, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO DUMB CAUSE EVEN UP ALL MY PROPERTY, THEY TOLD ME I HAD TO HAT ON THAT, THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE JUST A TEMPORARY CLOSURE.
AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, WHAT DOTD IS RECOMMENDING IS JUST A TEMPORARY MEASURE TO SEE HOW IT WOULD WORK.
YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT CLOSING.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DON'T, IF WE CLOSED IT, WE GONNA FIND OUT PRETTY QUICK.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL KIND OF SPILL OUT ON ELIANE OR
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ONE THING, ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THAT, WORKING ABOUT CLOSING IT AND STOPPING THAT TRAFFIC IS THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT TO STOP THE TRAFFIC, GOING TO TAKING KIDS TO SCHOOL.IF THEY PULL UP AND TURN AROUND IN SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY AND LET THEIR KIDS OUT AND THEN GO RIGHT BACK OUT THE STREET AGAIN, NOTHING'S BEEN GAINED THE NEIGHBORS, GO TO OBJECT TO THEM, GETTING OUT THERE.
THEY CAN'T MAKE THEM STOP, BUT SOME OF THEM CARE TO STOP PUTTING THE FEEDS OFF THE WALL.
IF THE TRAFFIC COUNTERS RIGHT AT THE TRAFFIC, IS THERE AT SCHOOL HOURS.
THEN THERE, THE TRAFFIC IS STILL GOING TO BE THERE TO BRING THE KIDS IN AND LET THEM OUT AND THEN TURN AROUND AND GO BACK OUT.
IF WE CAN RECONCILE THAT AT A LATER DATE, I WITHDRAW MY PROPOSAL.
I WANT TO VOTE WITH THE CITIZENS RESIDENTS OUT THERE.
I WANT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SO IF WE CAN'T DO IT ON A PHASE BASIS AND IT'S A RECOVERABLE SITUATION, THEN I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS.
SO I ALWAYS DRAW ON MY PROPOSAL AND WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANT TO DELAY IT, CALL THE ROAD AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE TO DELIGHT.
GOING AHEAD AND CLOSE IT UP OVER, UM, WITH THE TRIAL.
ANYTHING IT'LL GET THE JOB DONE.
UM, LESLIE, WE DON'T DELAY FIVE AND SIX.
THINK THERE ARE FIVE AND 6, 5, 6, 5, AND SIX ALL HEARING.
AND WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO LAY THOSE TWO.
WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO THE LIGHT AS THE APPLICATION FOR REZONING IS BEING REVISED.
SO NOBODY HERE OPPOSES US DELAYING FIVE AND SIX.
WE HAVE A LETTER FROM MORGAN RAIN, SO IT WAS ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS INVOLVED.
DOES ANYBODY HERE OPPOSE US, DELAYING THE BABBITT HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING THE 2.75 ACRE TRACK OPPOSITE THE HIGHWAY 17 HAYWOOD FARMS FROM 85 AGRICULTURAL TO C THREE COMMERCIAL.
NOBODY PROBABLY PROBABLY HERE TO CONSIDER RESIDING IN THE PROPERTY, SAY SIDED FEET NORTHERN US HIGHWAY 17 BEHIND AN LANDS APPAREL.
ANY MISCELLANEOUS, UH, MR. BALLENGER AND IT HAS THIS SOMETHING HE HAS TO COVER BY THE TIME I GET THROUGH, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY NO, SIR.
LADY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT REGARDING UNION POINT.
I NOTICED THERE SEEMS TO BE EXCESSIVE FLOODING POINT.
AND, UH, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN REMEDY THAT PROBLEM? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO GET RID OF EL NINO.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT'S FLOODING SINCE WE REMODELED, IS THAT TRUE? YOU HAVE UNCHARACTERISTICALLY, UH, WATER CONDITIONING.
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AND LOOK THERE AND THEY ONLY BASICALLY LOOK FOR WATER BAGS UP THROUGH THE AREA AND, UH, CURRENTLY, UH IT'S UH, IT'S GOT ANOTHER TOP OF THE PROBLEM.SO WHAT'S GOING OVER THE WALL.
WE GET THE DRAINAGE OF THE BRAIN DONE IN THE BAG.
UH, WELL, UH, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM.
JIM IS CREEP WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT FLORIDA TRUCKS GOING THROUGH WITH THE BOARD.
I LIKE TO HAVE AN OWNER, SO I'LL HAVE TO PUT SOME SIGNS, RESTRICT THOSE LARGE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO ME A CREEK AREA WITH A ROAD, THE MERIT AGAIN WITH NO OBJECTIONS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
AND ANOTHER THING JUST FOR INFORMATION, JAY AND MYSELF HAS GOT A, MAYBE IT WOULD BE TO DO WITH THE NEW BURN SQUARE.
A SQUARE SHOPPING CENTER SHOULD BE SOME CONCERNED NEIGHBORS.
SO WE WILL BE GETTING THEIR INPUT BEFORE THIS PARTICULAR.
I HAVE A RESOLUTION WHICH WOULD AUTHORIZE YOU AND THE CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE THE ADVANCES FROM THE MUNICIPAL, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO HABITAT, NO MATTER AT THE GREATER NEAR MUNDANE, WHICH IS A PROBATION, WHICH ADDRESSED
UH, FIRST ITEM IS YOU ALL HAVE BEFORE YOU A CIVIL SERVICE POLICE SERVICE REGISTER THAT CIVIL SERVICE TO HAVE TO PROVE IF YOU DON'T MIND YOU GIVING IT TONIGHT, IT COULD BE IN FRONT OF YOUR LIFE.
FIRSTLY, IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
AND LASTLY, FOR ME, WE NEED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING PROPERTY ACQUISITION, EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO I WANT TO HEAR ROBERT QUILT, THE STATUTE.
YOU NEED TO CALL THE ROLL ON THAT.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN SECOND HOLD AND FIND THEM TO SAY GOODBYE.
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YEAH.