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WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
I THINK THAT'LL BE TWO MINUTES.
I REMEMBER WHEN THE GUY WAS RUNNING AROUND, WHAT WAS IT? ALICE IN WONDERLAND, DOING SO MUCH TO DO.
AND SO LITTLE TIME, IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, THEN MADE A LOT OF SENSE NOW, ANYWAY, WHERE'S MY, WHERE'S MY HAMMER.
WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
I'LL APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE.
THEN I'M RUNNING AS FAST AS I CAN.
THE PRAYER BY BISHOP JACKSON, ABOVE LOCAL HOUSE OF GOD CHURCH, LET US PRAY.
I WOULD CREATE JAR AND ETERNAL FATHER.
WE THANK THEE FOR THIS MOMENT IN TIME THAT YOU HAVE ORDAINED FIVE ASSEMBLED HERE TO DEAL WITH THE AFFAIRS OF THIS CITY.
HE SEES MS. SO WE PRAY THAT OUR DECISIONS WOULD BE HONEST.
AND JUST TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY, WE PRAY.
IF I SIT CITY THAT YOU WOULD HELP US TO RID OF THE EVIL THAT'S TRYING TO TAKE OVER, WE NEED THAT DIVINE HELP, AS NEVER BEFORE YOU PROMISED TO SUPPLY US OUR NEEDS.
AND WE NEED YOU NOW, WHICH IS FATHER, YOU HAVE HEARD OPTICIAN, AND WE BELIEVE THAT YOU BEEN GRANTED IN JESUS' NAME.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS PRESENT IT, WHEREAS LOAN OFFICER CHANDLER POWELL, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPER PROCEDURE IS TO DO FOR ME JUST TO READ IT AND THEN PRESENT IT TO HIM.
OR I WOULD SAY FOLKS JUST TO GET THE TIME TO GET HIS JOB STRAIGHT.
PAT, THAT ME TELL YOU WHAT I'LL GET DOWN TO THE FRONT UH, MIRROR.
CAN WE GET MRS. POWELL TO COME UP TO? CAUSE SHE, UH, SHE'S A GOOD ONE FOR HER.
HE WOULDN'T BE GETTING THIS AWARD
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I CAN GOT ALL THE WAY TO BALTIMORE AND SAY, I'M THE MAYOR AND THE MALE KNOW WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT.
ANYWAY, NEXT THING IS A PLAYER TO HEAR IN AN OPERA INSTALLATION ON APPLICATION FOR STATE REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS, MAN, BRING IN THE HISTORIC PEOPLE, KNEW IT, THE HEAD.
UH, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO THANK THE BOARD FOR ALLOWING THIS ISSUE TO COME UP, ALTHOUGH, UH, WE'RE NOT SURE HOW IT WAS LEFT OFF THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
UH, WE HAD A CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD.
WE ALSO HAD EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NEW BROAD PRESERVATION FOUNDATION.
I ATTENDED A MEETING ON LAST WEEK AND THEY WERE, UH, GOING AND, AND, UH, PUSHING TO GET SOME SUPPORT FOR THE CITY'S PARTICIPATION AND THE, UH, REMODELING AND RESTORATION OF THE RAILROAD DEPOT RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE HAVE, SINCE THIS AFTERNOON, I'VE MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
I'VE ALSO MET WITH OUR WATER ATTORNEY, ALSO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS, DIRECTOR OF THIS GROUP.
AND WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE COME TO A SOLUTION ON HOW THIS CAN HAPPEN.
UH, I WILL, I WILL ASK NOW IF POS WITH OUR WARD COULD GIVE AN EXPLANATION AND I'M DOING THIS BOTTLE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO CUT THINGS SHORT.
UH, I THINK IF, IF RIGHT NOW, IF THE GOAL WOULD ASK THE ADULTS, IF AL WOULD EXPLAIN WHAT HE THINKS CAN HAPPEN AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER WOULD, WOULD GO AFTER HIM AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS MORNING AND THEN THE BOARD MEMBERS, AND ALSO THOSE THAT ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THIS ISSUE WITH KNOW WHAT WE DID TODAY.
MAY, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, JUST GIVE THEM A MINUTE.
THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, COULD THE CITY GO INTO CONTRACT WITH THE NEWBURGH PRESERVATION FOUNDATION? OKAY.
AFTER THE FIRST QUESTION, THE CITY MAY LEGALLY PARTICIPATE IN A PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC SITES, SUCH AS THIS, THE RAILROAD HAS SUGGESTED THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE A PARTNER IN THIS ENTERPRISE.
AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HAVING A CANDIDATE, WHICH WILL HAVE LONGEVITY TO BE A PART OF THE CONTRACT, THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION WANTS TO BE IN A POSSESSION TO APPLY FOR BRANCH, WHICH THEY NEED JUSTIFICATION TO DO.
I AM SATISFIED SO THE CITY CAN PARTICIPATE AS A PARTNER, BUT WITH A CONTRACT WITH THE PRESERVATION FOUNDATION, WHICH SETS OUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE FOUNDATION IS TO DO AND WHAT THE CITY IS TO DO.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEY DO NOT SEE FUNDS FROM THE CITY.
THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE SOME KIND OF DISSIPATION, BUT THEY DO NOT SEE MONEY.
THEY ARE SEEKING THE USE OF THE CITY NAME WITH ONE OR TWO CHANGES IN THE PROPOSAL THAT'S BEEN MADE BY THE RAILROAD.
I THINK IT CAN BE SET UP SO THAT IF IN THE PROJECT DOES NOT WORK, THAT THEY WILL BE NO LIABILITY ON THE PART OF THE CITY.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE DONE WOULD BE THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD BE RETURNED TO THE LEASE WOULD BE RESCINDED AND THE RAILROAD WOULD TAKE OVER THE PROPERTY BEFORE IT WAS COMPLETED.
SO IT CAN BE DONE IF THE BOARD WANTS TO DO IT, MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
AND AGAIN, I WAS ALSO AT THAT MEETING AND WE WENT THROUGH IT.
I KNOW AT THE LAST WORK SESSION THAT THEY APPEARED BEFORE YOU, THEY HAD YOUR SUPPORT.
THE QUESTION WAS HOW MUCH, UH, IN THE WAY OF FINANCES WERE WE GOING TO COMMIT AND BASED ON THEIR CURRENT, UH, REQUESTS, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ASKING FOR ANY SET AMOUNT FROM THE CITY, ACTUALLY NOT IN THE SET AMOUNT IN KIND SERVICES EITHER.
ALTHOUGH I THINK WE CAN PROVIDE SOME IN CON SERVICES AND BASED ON WHAT MR. WARD HAS SAID, WHAT I BELIEVE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND FILE THEIR, UH, APPLICATION FOR GRANT IS THAT THIS BOARD COULD GIVE THEM A TENTATIVE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE TERMS OF
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THE CONTRACT BEING WORKED OUT BY MR. WARD AND BEING REVIEWED BY ME, COMING TO THE BOARD AT A FUTURE WORK SESSION, TO IRON OUT THE FINAL DETAILS AND ACTUALLY ENTER INTO THE NECESSARY GRADES.SO I THINK YOU COULD, UH, UH, IF YOU WOULD TONIGHT GIVE A TENTATIVE OKAY.
TO THIS PROJECT AND THEN WE CAN WORK THE DETAILS OUT AND BRING THEM TO YOU AT A LATER TIME.
WE NEED A ROLL CALL OR A VOICE.
THERE'S JUST, UM, THIS, THIS, THIS MOTION IS, IS, WOULD UNDERSTAND THE ALSTER HAS NEGOTIATE.
AND WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOW THEM TO GO AHEAD AND APPLY FOR YOUR GRANTS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL WITH THE APPROPRIATE I'LL DO WHAT THE CITY OF TONY'S THE GUY SAYS, LET'S CALL IT A ROAD.
THE NEXT THING YOU CAN SAY, IF YOU LIKE
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON SSI, I WILL SAY THAT A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF PEOPLE, OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THIS PROJECT.
AND, UH, WE ALL GOT A LOT OF LADDERS AND MOST OF US AND PROBABLY ALL OF US WERE FOR IT.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE LADDERS BECAUSE MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WAS TELLING HER, THEY WILL LET US TELLING ME HOW TO GET A JOB.
I WAS SO KEEN ON SENDING THEM BACK INTO MY MAILBOX.
WE OUGHT TO BE PROUD OF THEM BECAUSE THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.
I'LL GO AHEAD WITH THE NEXT THING.
I'LL BE THE FABRIC AIRING ADOPT RESOLUTION ON APPLICATION FOR STATE REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS AND MR. GOULD WAS COMING FORTH AND ENLIGHTENED US ON THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, BASICALLY WE WERE HIRED TO PUT THIS APPLICANT LOAN APPLICATION TOGETHER WITH WATER PROJECTS, WITH A LOT OF ASSISTANCE FROM, UH, DAVID MUSE CITY CITY ENGINEER OFFICER.
WE HAVE A PRETTY THICK PACKAGE HERE TO PRESENT.
I THINK THE PORTION OF THE, THAT WAS PUT INTO AGENDA MATERIALS AND ALL OF IT IS AVAILABLE.
IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE TIME, BASICALLY THERE'S FOUR PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE PUT IN AN APPLICATION.
AND IF YOU CAN LOOK IN YOUR AGENDA MATERIALS, SECTION THREE ENGINEERING INFORMATION, I THINK IT MAY BE THE THIRD SCORE SHEET.
THEIR FIRST ITEM IS LISTED AT $523,000.
WELL, THE CONSTRUCTION BASICALLY, IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT BY THE STAYS IN CAROLINA OFFICIALS, THOSE WELLS ARE OPERATING MORE TIME THAN THEY SHOULD, ACCORDING TO THE REGULATIONS.
WELL, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ONLY OPERATE 12 HOURS A DAY.
YOU'RE A WELDER OPERATOR, 14, 16 HOURS A DAY, SOMETIMES EVEN MORE SO THE STATE HAS WRITTEN LETTERS.
SO WE'VE GOT THAT INCLUDED IN THE ATTENDANCE TO THE APPLICATION PACKAGE, THE ADVISE ME THAT YOU NEED TO BUILD ANOTHER WHALE.
SO THAT WOULD BE A FIFTH BILL TO SUPPLEMENT.
THE NEXT ITEM IS A FULL MADE CLEAR, WELL, THIS WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED UP AT THE OLD PLANT SITE.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THE STATE IS FIND THE CITY THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE CAPACITY.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE DAY FOR THE SCHOOL CAPACITY AND IN TOWN.
AND BASICALLY A LOT OF IT IS AN ELEVATED TANKS.
AND, UH, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'VE GOT A WHEEL FIELD IS 12 MILES AWAY.
IT'S THE CITY OF NEW BRUNSWICK FIELD IS IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THAT LINE AND YOU'D BE ON A BORDER AND LESS THAN ONE DAY.
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YOU AND ARE CLEAR.WE WANT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STORAGE IN TOWN.
THAT'S WHEN $1,540,000 IS DESK.
THIS WOULD ALSO INCLUDE A HOT SERVICE PULL-UPS, WHICH WOULD HELP THE PRESSURE SITUATION AND BE ABLE TO DELIVER WATER INTO THE FUTURE TO THE NEEDY CUSTOMERS.
AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM, THERE IS THE ELEVATED WATER TANK.
THIS WOULD BE A NEW ELEVATED TANK BUILT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER TO SERVE THE WAREHOUSE RADICALIZATION STATIONARY, SOUTH RIVER ESTIMATED 200 900,000 CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
AND THEN THE FOUR OR FIVE IS A HYDRAULIC WATER MAIN.
IT WAS RECOMMENDED IN AN ENGINEERING STUDY PREPARED BY ANOTHER ENGINEERING FIRM BACK IN 1974, THAT YOU CONSTRUCT A 20 IN ATLANTA.
I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE ASKING ME TO SERVE A NEWBORN AS IT GROWS WEST AND ALSO SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER AND ALSO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND NOW THE, THE TANK HASN'T BEEN BUILT THAT WITH 1974 FINKBEINER PEZ, THE STRAP CAME BACK.
WHEN I WAS SITTING IN HERE, HERE TO BILL AND DID ANOTHER ENGINEERING REPORT AND THEY RECOMMENDED A SIMILAR LINE BOULEVARD TO QUEEN STREET TANK, WHICH WOULD ALSO HAVE PRESSURES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT THIS LINE HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AND WE'VE DONE SOME AD HOC ANALYSIS, DETERMINED THAT YOU NEED ADDITIONAL LUNCH IN ORDER TO GET THE WATER THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO THE WEST SIDE OF NUCLEAR NATION HAS A GROWS.
SO THAT'S WHEN THE $874,000 WAS SHOWN THERE.
AND BEFORE THE NUMBERS, I JUST GAVE YOU OUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THEY ADD UP TO 3 MILLION, $240,000 WITHIN CONTINGENCY TECH SERVICE LINKING WITH FISCAL AND ADMINISTRATION.
IF THE TUNNEL APPLICATION PACKAGE IS 3 MILLION, $866,000 SHORT VERSION OF WHAT THIS APPLICATION PACKAGE, RANDY, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUMPING ALL THIS WATER THROUGH THAT SAME ONE EXISTING INCOME OF LIVE.
IT'S THE 20TH, THE 30TH RESTRAINTS FROM COAST CITY.
AND I BELIEVE IN THE LAUNDRY RAIN, WATER IT'S POT PLANT IN THE CITY, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT INSTEAD OF YOUR NEIGHBOR OR A CONSIDERATION OF PARALLELING THAT LINE IN THE FUTURE, I GET REAL NERVOUS ABOUT THAT ONE.
IT DOESN'T GIVE ME A LONG TIME HAS HAD SOME BREAKS.
ONE BREAKFAST EIGHT, SEVEN, MAYBE THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE BREAK THAT WAS IN, AND HE SAID IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SENTENCE, WHEN YOU SAY PARALLEL IN THE LINE, BUT HAVING A GOOD CONSTRUCTION PRACTICE AND THIS TYPE OF THING, WHEREAS YOU CAN SET A PARALLELISM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S AMOUNT OF LAND.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT HE'D BE MORE THAN 30 FEET AWAY OR ACROSS THE ROAD, OR IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT WAS A TREMOR WE HAD BEFORE OR SOME SUCH THING AS AD OBVIOUSLY TWO LINES, NECK AND NECK WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ANY GOOD.
IT WOULD'VE BROKEN BOTH OR WHATEVER.
ARE THERE ANY, ANY, ANY SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THAT OR REQUIREMENTS ABOUT, WELL, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT OF COURSE, STATE REGULATIONS BASICALLY WATERLINES A CERTAIN DISTANCE.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE WATER AND SEWER LINES, BUT IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE GOOD PRACTICE TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION IF IT WAS COST-EFFECTIVE, BUT I'M SURE THAT THAT LINE WAS LAID THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE LOCATION.
I THINK, I THINK THAT, UH, WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT WHEN WE START PARALLELING THAT LINE IS THAT WE WOULD DO IT PROBABLY DOWN A U S 70 BYPASS, WHICH WAS NOT IN WHEN THE OTHER LINE WAS LATE, WHICH WOULD GIVE US A VERY CLEAR RIGHT AWAY THAT WE COULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CODE CITY AREA, WHERE OUR WELLS ARE.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT WILL BE A FUTURE PROJECT SOMETIME IN THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS, I WOULD SAY, UH, TO GIVE US THAT EXTRA SECURITY OF HAVING PROBABLY AN 18 TO 20 INCH LINE THAT WE GOT DOWN AND NOT A 30 INCH LINE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD, IF WE HAD A BREAK IN THE 30 INCH LINE, SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE US SOME ALTERNATIVE SUPPLY FROM THAT AREA.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO RELY COMPLETELY ON SHORE LAND FAR AWAY.
IT'S ABOUT WHAT A MILE HAVE YOU HAD A TREMOR EARTHQUAKE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, PROBABLY BOTH UP AND ALL THAT, BUT UNDER THE EXISTING CONDITION IS WHAT LENGTH OF TIME WATER SUPPLY WE HAVE.
NOW, IF THAT LINE WANTS TO GO OUT WITH THE EXISTING TANKS, IT DEPENDS ON THE TIME OF THE YEAR.
IF IT'S SUMMERTIME, JULY, AND YOU'RE USING A LOT OF WATER AND WORST CASE SCENARIO, MAYBE SIX TO EIGHT HOURS, W WE'RE SOMETIMES ACCUSED.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY, WOW, YOU PEOPLE JUST NEVER PLANT A HAND.
YOU NEVER, AND I'M AMAZED AT HOW FAR HIT PREVIOUS BOARDS HAVE PLANNED.
AND THIS IS ONE, THIS IS THE ONE FISH BONE THAT STICKS IN MY THROAT.
YOU MIGHT SAY IS TO WORRY ABOUT THE CITY'S WATER SUPPLY, DEPENDING ON ONE WATER LINE BETWEEN THE WELLS DOWNTOWN.
AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO EVEN GO INTO IT.
I JUST WANTED TO REFRESH MY MEMORY AS TO OUR CAPACITY
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IN STORAGE AT THE PRESENT TIME, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS I CAN IMAGINE WHAT THE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO SAY AS THEY SUDDENLY RAN OUT OF WATER OUT AFTER SIX HOURS.AND WE STILL HAD ANOTHER DAY OR TWO REPAIR JOB TO GO SEVERE FROM, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS OR THE ONE THAT'S AN EXTRA STORAGE WE'RE DEALING WITH.
WHAT IS THE EXACTLY? I MEAN, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT APPLICATIONS.
SO STATE REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS AND ALONE, IT'S IMPLICIT THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO PAY IT BACK.
WE WILL PAY IT BACK THROUGH WATER.
IT WILL NEED TO BE PAID BACK THROUGH WATER RATES.
THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUIRE THE STATE, UH, ESTABLISHED A, WHAT THEY CALL A REVOLVING LOAN FUND FOR BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER PROJECTS OH, MANY YEARS AGO.
AND THEY'VE ADDED TO IT OVER THE YEARS AND THEY GIVE A VERY FAVORABLE INTEREST RATE.
THINK WE GOT A PORTION OF OUR WASTE TREATMENT PLANT ON THE STATE, UH, WASTEWATER REVOLVING LOAN.
AND THAT WAS WHEN THE INTEREST RATES WERE LIKE NINE AND 10%.
SO, UH, WE WOULD EXPECT TO GET SOMEWHERE AROUND 3% ON THIS, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL, WHICH YOU'LL WILL BE A VERY GOOD INTEREST RATE FOR US.
IF WE AREN'T SUCCESSFUL, WE STILL GONNA HAVE TO DO IT SOME WAY.
WE'LL JUST HAVE TO FIND SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE TO FUND IT AND MAY NOT BE THAT INEXPENSIVE.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
NUMBER ONE, WE ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE NOW, AND NUMBER TWO, UH, WE'RE EXPECTING A LARGE INFLUX OF POPULATION COMING IN.
UH, WE'RE ALREADY AT SHORT NEEDING ONE ADDITIONAL WELL.
AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IF EVERYTHING GOES THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE'LL BE BACK ASKING YOU FOR SIX, WELL, AND PROBABLY TO PUT IN THAT PARALLEL LINE AT THAT TIME, EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR, PROCEDURAL MATTER.
I JUST, I FORGOTTEN THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SILOED THAT WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE REQUIRED BY LAW AND GIVE THE AUDIENCE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFICIALLY GET THEIR COMMENTS.
IS THERE ANYBODY
I JUST WANT ONE QUESTION I WAS RIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, I, FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I BEEN IN HERE.
OH, MY QUESTION IS TO MR. HARTMAN, MR. HARTMAN, WHAT EFFECT WOULD THAT HAVE ON WHAT WOULD THIS AGREEMENT HAVE? ONE WITH A SLOPE? WELL UPSET WITH THIS LOAN HAVE ON EXISTING WATER RATES.
UH, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WATER RATES WILL GO UP, UH, PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 25 TO 30% AS A RESULT OF THIS, WHICH MEANS THE AVERAGE USER WILL PAY ABOUT $2 A MONTH MORE.
AND WE SEE A WATER TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY DUMP.
AND THAT'S BY CONTRACT, RIGHT? WELL, WE ONLY HAVE ONE CONTRACT ACCOUNT AND THAT'S WHAT CODE CITY.
AND THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY JUDICIAL ORDER AS TO WHAT WE CHARGE THEM.
UH, BUT THEIR RATES WOULD GO UP PROPORTIONATELY AND, UH, EVERYONE ELSE, THE CITY IS NOT ON CONTRACT.
THEY ARE JUST OUTSIDE OF CITY USERS AND THEY PAY A DOUBLE WHATEVER THE END CITY RATES ARE.
SO IF WE HAVE A AVERAGE INCREASE IN OVERALL RATES OF $2 TO $3 PER MONTH PER CUSTOMER, THEN OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, THEY COULD EXPECT AN OVERALL RATE INCREASE OF FOUR TO $6 PER MONTH PER CUSTOMER, BUT THEY'RE BUYING INSURANCE, BUT THEY'RE GETTING SOME MORE WATER SUPPLY.
AND IT'S A LOT MORE RELIABLE THAN THE EXISTING SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.
ALL THAT NO, THE EXISTING SYSTEM IS, IS A, IS A GOOD SYSTEM.
BUT AS RANDY HAS POINTED OUT, WE NEED TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE, UH, GROWTH THAT WE ANTICIPATE COMING WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
WELL, THEN YOU SAY WE WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE AS WELL, AND WE WERE ALL, WE KNOW THE END OF DISCUSSION, NO DISCUSSION.
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YES, YES, YES, YES.NEXT THING IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER 1993 CDBG AMENDMENTS UM, AS PART OF YOUR PACKAGE, YOU SHOULD HAVE A 99 FREE PROGRAM.
WE'RE NEARING A CLOSE AND THIS PROGRAM AND WE HAVE TWO THINGS.
WE HAD 1202 WALT BELLAMY DRIVE HOUSE ENDED UP BEING MORE THAN WE HAD AVAILABLE FUNDS TO SPEND ON IT.
WE WERE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DELETE THAT YOU DIDN'T, AND THAT WE INCLUDE 2,105 ODE DRIVE AND 9 36 MAIN STREET.
WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN, THESE TWO UNITS GOT CALLS FROM THOSE
WE HAVE LEFT AND LOCAL OPTION.
THE OTHER CHANGE IS WE HAVE ONE UNIT WHICH IS A 22 OR FOUR STEPS AND STREET, WHICH IS
AND THE COST OF REPAIR IS MORE THAN THE COST OF A NEW NEW UNIT.
SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT INSTEAD OF REHABILITATING, THAT UNIT, THAT WE GO THROUGH LABORATORY RELOCATION AND DEMOLISHED THAT PLACE WITH, DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT'D BE A BETTER TRIP AND ACTUALLY WE'LL SAY MONEY, UH, THIS OCCUPIED.
UM, THIS IS A PROCEDURAL PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO, YOU DO NEED TO SAY, I MOVED TO PUBLIC HERE AND BE OPEN TO RECEIVE COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE.
SECOND CHECK ON 5% EVEN ASIDE AND MAX STARTED IT.
SO I DID IT ON THAT FIRST ONE, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH, WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO SLOW IT DOWN.
WE DON'T, WE CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, THE FED IS ON THE AGENDA.
YOU CAN OPEN IT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF ANY MIND WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING, SO LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT.
I'M GOING TO OVER HERE AND BE CLOSED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY CALL FOR A VOTE.
AND AS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THAT PROCEDURE OF BUYING A NEW MOBILE HOME.
AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT.
I VAGUELY REMEMBER
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE RUN UP AGAINST BUYING A TRAILER OR BUILDING A HOUSE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE THAT, THAT EXTREME THE, UM, VERY BRIEFLY BY RECEIVING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FUNDS.
THE CITY IS CHARGED WITH SEEING THAT EVERY UNIT THAT WE TREAT IS BROUGHT UP TO A MINIMUM STANDARD AFRICA.
WE CAN TREAT THOSE THROUGH REHABILITATION OR THROUGH RELOCATION.
WE'VE DETERMINED, RE REHABILITATION IS NOT AN ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE THAT TAKES US TO RELOCATION.
WE REALLY HAVE SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES.
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ONE, WE CAN DEMOLISH THAT UNIT AND END UP FINDING A COMPARABLE STANDARD UNIT FOR THAT PERSON TO LIVE IN.WE HAVE THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS WE CAN GO IF THEY AGREE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, THEY MUST AGREE.
WE CAN COME BACK AND PUT A, ANOTHER UNIT ON THAT SAME PROPERTY GENERALLY AND DO WITH MOBILE HOMES.
IT IS MORE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO PUT IT BACK ON THAT PROPERTY, PUT A NEW MOBILE HOME ON THAT PROPERTY THAN TO GO AND PURCHASE A NEW HOME SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THERE'S ALSO ONE OTHER THING THAT COMPLICATES IT.
AS WE TEAR DOWN A LIVING UNIT, WE MUST REPLACE THAT LIVING UNIT WITHIN THREE YEARS WITH SOME SORT OF PASSIVE DESTRUCTION.
AND THAT'S CALLED ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT, BARNEY, FRANK, AND THEN ONCE THE 1990 PREPARATION.
SO THIS WAY THE PERSON IS HAPPY, BUT THEY ARE, AND THIS PERSON ISN'T HAPPY BECAUSE THEY GET A NEW PLACE, THE SAME PLACE.
IT GENERALLY COST OVER $20,000 TO GO OUT AND PURCHASE PROPERTY AND PURCHASE A HOME SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IF WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM RELOCATION ASSISTANCE TO BUY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO I THINK A CLARIFICATION MIGHT BE IS IN TELLING US HOW MUCH IS ALLOWED FOR REHABILITATION OF YOUR UNITS.
AND THEN IT WOULDN'T SEEM LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GOING INTO MARKET BASKET, A HOUSE TRAILER THAT'S WORTH ABOUT FOUR OR $5,000.
NOW IT HASN'T BEEN FACING WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
I THINK MAYBE WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT THE REPLACING THE POLICY, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD LIKE WHAT $12,000 THAT YOU COULD SPEND A UNIT.
AND NOW YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEND MORE FOR THE REGION FOR THE STATION OF A UNIT.
AND IF THAT UNIT ITSELF IS WORTH THE AMOUNT THAT YOU WOULD SPEND IN REHABBING, IT, IT WOULD BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO MAKE VERY MUCH SENSE TO SAY, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS TAKE A $3,000 HOME.
THE HOME THAT SOMEONE IS LIVING IN A TOGGLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PUT $10,000 INTO REHABBING IT VERSUS GOING OUT.
AND MAYBE THEM, THIS UNIT, THIS UNIT IS WITHIN THE STATUTORY PROGRAM LIMITS SPIN THEM.
BUT IF IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE TELLS US, INSTEAD OF SPENDING $17,000 ON IT, WE CAN GET SOME, WE CAN PUT SOMETHING BACK TO 15, BUT IT'S PROBABLY LAST RESORT RELOCATION.
UM, THE UNIFORM RELOCATION ACT HAS HAPPENED.
IS THIS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? YES, THIS IS RIGHT OUT OF THE BLUE FOR ME.
MAY I MOVED A MEMBER BE APPROVED IF THEY DON'T ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? SO THIS GUY, I'M LIKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT IT.
IT'S NOT WORTH PAYING 20 TO REPAIR A PLACE WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO PLACE IT FOR 15, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE RUN INTO A SITUATION IN WHICH YOU JUST GO OUT AND YOU GET BACK FIVE BANKS DOLLARS.
IT'S JUST, THAT CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD.
I HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME, IF YOU GO ON.
WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS COME UP WITH ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED.
WE GOT TO SPEND THIS MONEY OR EITHER SEND IT BACK.
SO WE MAY AS WELL GO AHEAD ON WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
IF WE'RE GOING TO SECOND, GUESS THEM, THEN WE NEED TO GO IN THEIR OFFICE AND DO THE DAY-TO-DAY WORK AND GO ON THE SITE AND SEE IF WE CAN EXPLORE A BIT ALTERNATIVE, UNLESS YOU CAN RECOMMEND ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
THIS IS THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME JUST ASK THIS.
WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS PROGRAM? NOT JUST SPECIFIC, BUT THE PROGRAM IN AND OF ITSELF, SAY DOWN A LITTLE LOUD AT STANDARD HOUSING.
AND WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM? OKAY.
SPEAKING TO THE GROUP TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR LOW MODERATE INCOME PEOPLE.
NOW, WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM? COMES FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IS ADMINISTERED BY THE STATE DIVISION OF COMMUNITY ASSISTANCE.
SAM, YOU SAID THAT SOME METHODOLOGIES USED IN THE PAST, MAYBE YOU DID OR DID NOT SAY THIS WORLD WAS REFURBISHING EXISTING HOMES TO BRING THEM UP TO CERTAIN STANDARDS.
IS THAT ONE, THE ATTEMPT TO REHABILITATE A HOUSE.
AND THEN WE MAKE A JUDGMENT ON WHETHER WE, IT WILL BE WORTH WHAT WE PUT INTO IT.
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WHEN WE GET THROUGH WITH IT.NOW THAT MIGHT BE A HOUSE THAT SOMEONE LIVES IN OR SOMEONE DOES NOT LIVE IN.
IS THAT RIGHT OR WRONG? THE SCENARIO WOULD CHANGE.
IT WAS NOT OWNER-OCCUPIED BUT IT'S DALE.
AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE IS SOME HOUSING AT A CERTAIN STANDARD FOR PEOPLE OF A CERTAIN INCOME SOCIOECONOMIC LEVEL, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT TO LIVE.
SO WE HAVE REHABILITATED VACANT UNITS TO MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR MISSION STATEMENT AND MY MEASURABLE GOALS.
NOW, ONCE YOU ARE SAYING, YOU HAVE DONE IS YOU BY PURCHASING A HOME, ALTHOUGH IT IS WITHOUT PRECEDENT, YOU HAVE MET THE STANDARDS OF CONSTRUCTION.
IF YOU WILL, UH, CERTAIN RECEPTACLES AND THEN LEARN AND THIS AND THAT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AND PROVIDING SHELTER AND THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE MANNER YOU COULD FOR ONE OR MORE INDIVIDUALS.
YES MA'AM THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MIGHT'VE DONE WHAT YOU SET OUT TO DO ALL THAT IT WAS WITHOUT PRESSING.
AND IN SOME WAY, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE 91 THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH PROGRAM THAT WE'VE DONE THIS HERE IN NEWBURGH, BUT IT IS A WIDESPREAD EVERY DAY PRACTICE AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM STATEWIDE.
BUT AGAIN, WHY DON'T YOU TRY BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT THE EFFECT, WHAT HE DID, WHAT HE DID IS THE FIRST TIME, BUT I ASSUME THAT HE CARRYING OUT HIS MISSION STATEMENT OF PROVIDING HOUSING OF A CERTAIN STANDARD FOR LOW INCOME PEOPLE OF A CERTAIN DESCRIBE LEVEL.
THIS HAS BEEN DONE MANY TIMES.
THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH ME, MOBILE HOMES TO, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU JUST, YOU JUST BOUGHT THE WHOLE THING IN A PACKAGE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TAKE SOMETHING AND MAKE IT INTO FIELD FITTING ALL THESE, THESE, UH, REQUIREMENTS YOU JUST SAID, WELL, HERE'S THE WHOLE THING IN A LUMP.
AND THAT'S, THAT WAS THIS LITTLE HOME IN THE TARGET AREA.
WHEN WE CALL HIM WHAT WOULD BE THE SCENARIO, IF IT WERE NOT OWNER OCCUPIED, I, EXCUSE ME, GENTLEMEN, I REALLY HAVE A VOTE ON THIS BOARD.
AND I, I DON'T APPRECIATE NOT, I DON'T APPRECIATE TRYING TO HAVE THIS RAMMED DOWN MY THROAT.
I HAVE SATISFIED IN MY MIND, I AM MOVING IN THE RIGHT WAY.
WE'RE IN A DISCUSSION SEGMENT.
I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING TO YOU AND TELL ME WHAT THE SCENARIO WOULD BE.
IF THIS WERE NOT TO KNOW HER OCCUPIED, YOU SEE WHAT NOT OWNER-OCCUPIED HOME.
WE WOULD PROVIDE EITHER RENTAL ASSISTANCE FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS OR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE TO THE TENANT.
THEY WOULD THEN FIND DIFFERENT HOUSING WITH THAT ASSISTANCE, WHICH IS RENTAL ASSISTANCE.
AND THEN MOBILE HOME WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.
THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME WOULD BE DEMOLISHED.
AND IS THIS PERSON, UH, SUCH FINANCIAL EXPLAIN IT? THEY JUST, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY BACK AT ALL.
THIS IS THE PERSON WHO IS INCOME OF LESS THAN 50% OF STATEWIDE MEDIAN, WHICH IS CONSIDERED POVERTY, WHICH IS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT ALL THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN UNDER THIS PROGRAM WAS THAT RIGHT? BUT LESS THAN $8,000 A YEAR, PROBABLY EIGHT TO 10,000 YEAR OR LESS.
AND IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, I GUESS RIGHT NOW, THE OTHER OFF THE OTHER, ALL THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, THERE REALLY, THERE REALLY ARE TWO MAIN ALTERNATIVES THAT ACTUALLY WE FIX IT AS IT IS, OR WE PROVIDE RELOCATION ASSISTANCE, HAVE A PROBLEM.
IN THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO, THERE ARE THREE UNITS.
IF YOU REMEMBER IN PENBROOK THAT WE INCLUDED IN THIS PROGRAM SO THAT YOU CAN COUNT SEWER DOLLARS THAT WERE INSTALLED AS THE CITY'S LOCAL MATCH.
THEREFORE IF WE GET BELOW THREE UNITS, I WOULD QUESTION WHETHER IT WOULD QUALIFY AS IT IS AN ACCEPTABLE AREA OUT THERE.
SO WE REALLY, REALLY HAVE THE ALTERNATIVES, FIX IT AS IT IS, WHICH WE CAN DO OR PROVIDE RELOCATION ASSISTANCE.
WHAT DOES RELOCATION ASSISTANCE MEAN? WHICH IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S A NEW MOBILE HUNDRED, BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, WELL, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS WERE A HOUSE RATHER THAN A MOBILE HOME? AND IT WAS UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES, IT WOULD COST MORE TO REPAIR THAN TO REPLACE IT.
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A HOUSE IF YOU COULD BUILD IT IS A LOT MORE TO VISIT.THAT'S A MORE COMPLICATED QUESTION, BUT IN GENERAL, WELL, FIRST I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY REPLACE IT WITH SOME KIND OF A DOUBLE-WIDE MOBILE HOMES, TRUCKS, OR IF THEY WANTED TO, I WOULD GIVE THEM THAT ALTERNATIVE, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT $25,000.
AND THE RANGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS 30,000 FLOODS.
UM, NOT BEING ABLE TO REPLACE IT SUBSTANDARD MOST, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN THEY'RE IN THAT KIND OF SHAPE, THEY'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, BUT NOW IF THEY DON'T WANT SOMETHING ELSE, WE'LL GO IN THE COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND FIND THREE COMPARABLE DWELLING UNITS, PRICE, THOSE UNITS, AND THE LOWER PRICE FOR THOSE THREE WOULD BECOME THE AMOUNT OF THEIR RELOCATION ASSISTANCE.
AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THAT RELOCATION ASSISTANCE TO EITHER BUY THAT UNIT OR FIND ANOTHER UNIT, WHICH IS STANDARD THAT DIDN'T SUIT.
LET ME MAKE MY POSITION CLEAR TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD DOWN HERE, ROBERT, IN PARTICULAR, SINCE HE TRIED TO MAKE A MOTION REAL QUICK TO GET ME TO SHUT UP, I HAVE FOLLOWED PROGRAMS LIKE THIS QUITE A FEW YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD BEFORE AND I HAVE VOTED FOR THESE THINGS WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH DECENT HOUSING OR LOW TO MODERATE INCOME PEOPLE.
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS PROGRAM, BUT THIS IS THE TIME THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN ASKED TO USE TAX DOLLARS.
I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S FEDERAL STATE ALL COMES OUT OF OUR POCKET TO ACTUALLY BUY A RESIDENTIAL ENTITY FOR A PERSON.
AND THERE'S NOT MUCH INFORMATION ON THE SHEET I GOT AND IT KIND OF CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE GUARDIANS.
YOU MIGHT SAY OF WHAT TAX DOLLARS WE CAN BE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON THIS UNTIL I UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S GOING TO LEAD US IN THE FUTURE.
I JUST WANT TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
HAVE WE PAID UNDER THIS PROGRAM? HAVE WE PAID PEOPLE'S RENT IN THE PAST? NO.
LET'S TRY NOT TO TELL YOU THIS THING, BUT LET'S GO OVER THE QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL WE DONE WITH OUR DISCOUNT.
WELL, DON STILL ONLY, I DON'T KNOW IF HE USED HIS APP WHERE HE'S COMING.
IT'S JUST THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE EVER GONE OUT AND YOU, YOU TO GET SOME MONEY.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHY WE DO IT.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER TO SPEND 15 BLOW SAID, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH
I WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I VOTE ON IT, THAT I UNDERSTAND HAVE WE IN THE PAST GONE AND SPENT THIS LAST, JUST ASSUME EXACTLY THAT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY ON SOMEBODY'S HOUSE TO FIX IT UP FOR THEM.
DO THE WHOLE FENCE A BIT MORE.
HE SAID, BUT IF IN THIS CASE WE DECIDED IT WAS CHEAPER JUST TO BULLDOZE THE THING OR WHATEVER, OR FORGET THAT WHEN HE BOUGHT IT, HE GAVE HIM ANOTHER ONE.
RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? SO IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I MEAN THE SAME AMOUNT THAT WE CAN SPEND ON BREAD AND JUST GIVING IT TO THEM.
RIGHT? SO I MEAN THE CONCEPT, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT I SEE AS THIS TIME, WE HAVE ACTUALLY PURCHASED A NEW UNIT.
WHEREAS BEFORE WE TOLD HIM WE TORE DOWN OLD WOOD AND REPLACED IT WITH NEW AND WE ADD IT IN, IN SOME PEOPLE'S MIND, THEY WOULD CONCEIVE OF THAT AS BEING A NEW UNIT, IF YOU WILL.
SO I'M CONCEPTUALLY I HAVEN'T, MY MIND HADN'T JUMPED THE TRACK EXACTLY YET THAT WE'VE DONE ANYTHING.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A POINT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, MY BRAIN AT THIS POINT HAS BEEN, WAS THEY USED TO THE SIZE OF A SMALL PEANUT AND I'M WORKING WITH ALL I'VE GOT LEFT.
BELIEVE ME AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T.
SO Y'ALL GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH WITH, OH, WE'RE READY.
THAT WAS THE LIMIT ON THE EXPENDITURE TOP THE MIDDLE EXPENDITURE OWN ANYONE JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, $28 A SQUARE FOOT OR $25,000.
AND UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES OF BEING UNDER REHABILITATION, THAT CAN BE SEATED.
ONE QUESTION WE CALL THEM FOR NOW.
I'M WITH THEM NOW, DID WE, WE, WE STILL
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LET'S DEFINE WHAT IT IS EXACTLY THAT WE'RE VOTING ON.SOMEBODY MIGHT'VE SLIPPED DOWN OR SUBSTITUTE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
THE FIRST MOTION, SOMEBODY TO FIND WHAT WE'RE FIXING THE VOTES.
FOR THE FIRST MODE, THE MOTION MAN WAS THAT WE ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT AS PRINTED IN THE AGENDA THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY ON WALT BELLAMY DRIVE BE SUBSTITUTED FOR THE ONES ON OAK STREET AND MAIN STREET.
AND THAT THE OTHER ONE, UH, BE REPLACED WITH A NEW UNIT ON 2204 STINSON STREET.
AM I CORRECT? COFFEE? AND I DON'T MEAN THAT WAS THE FIRST MOTION.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT IS, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE.
MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ALL ABOUT.
HONESTY AND RESPECT EACH OTHER.
WHEN YOU ARGUE ABOUT IT, TALK ABOUT IT AND THINK ABOUT IT AND MANDATE WHATEVER OUR INSIDES MAKE US THINK WE OUGHT TO DO OR NOT DO.
AND IT'S BUSINESS BELIEVERS NOW WHERE I SAY, OKAY, THERE'LL BE A HEARING TO AMANDA'S ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF A 9.56 ACRE TRACK LOCATED NEAR THE NORTHEASTERN QUADRANT TO BE AN INTERSECTION OF TRENT ROAD AND CAROLINA AVENUE FROM C4 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT AND OUR TAN RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO OUR EIGHT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT, MR. JORDAN AND EXPLAINING IT TO THE BOARD.
BERNARD JORDAN, BY THE WAY, I HAVE BEEN REMINDED BY SOME FOLKS THAT WATCH US AND THEY ARE MORE THAN YOU THINK.
UH, I'VE BEEN TARRED AND FOUND THAT A FEW TIMES OR ATTEMPTED TO, I GUESS, BUT IT REMINDED ME THAT WE'RE NOT ANNOUNCING WHO WE ARE AND SO FORTH.
AND IT'S SHATTER BROUGHT IT UP A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT EVEN THOSE OF US THAT WORKED FOR THE CITY OR REPRESENTING THE CITY OF WHATEVER, NOT EVERYBODY OUT THERE KNOWS EXACTLY WHO WE ARE.
SO I THINK WE ALL TO START DOING IT, EVEN IF IT BECOMES REDUNDANT.
SO BERNARD, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, WOULD YOU LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU REPRESENT? MAY I FAIL THIS AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? MY NAME IS BERNARD GEORGE NUMBER ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
I HAVE BEFORE YOU A APPLICATION FOR A REZONING SUBMITTED BY SARAH METALS, TRUSTEE IN THE NAME OF STEWART SMITH AGENT.
AND THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT AT THE INTERSECTION OF CAROLINA AVENUE AND TRENTON ROAD.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A 9.56 ACRE TRACK.
AND IT IS PRESENTLY ZONED C4 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND OUR 10 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO OUR EIGHT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IN ORDER TO DEVELOP MULTIFAMILY HOUSING ON THE TRACK OF LAND, YOU HAVE IT FOR YOU ALSO STAFF COMMENTS CONCERNING THE REZONING AND THAT THIS TIME OF NIGHT, YOU MAY WANT TO ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE CONCERN FOR RESOLVING.
HM, MY NAME'S STUART SMITH, UH, 45 19 WEST FAIRWAY DRIVE NEWBURN.
UH, I REPRESENT THEM OUT AS A STATE WHO ACTUALLY OWN THIS PROPERTY.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU, UH, THE PROPERTY WAS PRESENTLY ZONED C4 BUSINESS.
WE'RE ASKING YOU THAT IT'D BE ACTUALLY DOWNS ON MOST OF IT TO OUR EIGHT FOR MULTI-FAMILY.
UH, IT WOULD BE A BORDER BY C4 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS WITH SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME AND MULTIFAMILY AS ABOVE THE HEAVY QUESTIONS TO ANSWER POSITION TO THIS.
YOU'LL HEAR THE ZONING BOARD MEETING.
ONE GUY POSTED IS THE GUY THAT OPPOSE OR IS IN OPPOSITION HERE TONIGHT.
ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK AGAINST WHAT THIS PROPOSITION IS? MAY I MOVE
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SECOND? WELL, I'M ON CALL FOR BOY.INSTEAD OF I LOOK IT UP, I SEE A BUNCH OF, OH, THERE'S A HOUSE THAT WOULD TRAMPOLINE IN THE DIRT ROAD.
IT GOES BEHIND THAT AS STEPDAD TO THE LAKE, RIGHT.
IS THAT RUN DOWN TO THE LAKE DESIGNING BOARD? IS THAT IN BOARD APPROVED IT AND THAT IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
SO ZONING RESOLUTION BE GRANTED, I RAN INTO ZONE AND CHANGE.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES.
WE'LL CALL IT A ROLL CALL VOTE.
I WAS 6, 7, 7 HERE INTO AMANDA'S ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF 2.5, EIGHT ACRE, LOTS LOCATED AT 38 0 5 NEWS BOULEVARD FROM OUR SEX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO SEE A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICTS.
AND BY THE WAY, BEFORE YOU LEAVE STEWART, HOW DID IT FEEL TO BE OUT IN FRONT OF THAT CAMERA? LIKE I HAVE TO DO WEEK AFTER WEEK AFTER 30 SECONDS.
SO ANYWAY, THE
AGAIN, BERNARD GEORGE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND I HAVE FOR YOU AGAIN, ANOTHER REZONING REQUEST BY MR. GC PARKER WHO OWNS A 0.58, EIGHT TRACK LOCATED ON NEWS BOULEVARD.
IN FACT 36 0 5 NEWS BOULEVARD.
THIS IS LOCATED AT JASON POWELL RANCH.
IT'S ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF BOULEVARD GOING WEST.
UH, YOU MAY KNOW THE TRACK AS A CHINESE TAKEOUT RESTAURANT, TWO BIG BOOKSTORE.
UH, THIS TRACK OF LAND IS OWNED AS SAID, PARKER, WHO WANTS TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW STRIP SHOPPING CENTER.
AT THIS TIME, THE, THE SITE IS NOT PERFORMING BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS LOCATED ON BOTH A SEAPORT NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT AND IN THE
AND HE IS NOT PERMITTED TO, TO EXPAND A NON-CONFORMING USE.
THEREFORE HE HAS SUBMITTED THIS APPLICATION IN HOPES THAT THE BOARD WOULD GRANT HIS APPLICATION TO REZONE THE TRACK OF LAND, TOTALLY TO C4 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UM, COMMERCIAL C4 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH LIMITS THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES IN THAT DISTRICT TO THOSE BUSINESSES THAT, UH, PERFORM SERVICES FOR THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UM, WE DID HOLD A, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DID MEET ON THE 4TH OF AUGUST AND REVIEWED THE APPLICATION.
NO ONE APPEARED OR SPOKEN UP IN OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING REQUEST.
UH, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ALSO STAFF COMMENTS ON THE REZONING ANALYSIS.
AND, UH, IF YOU WISH AFTER WE'VE DISCUSSED THE REZONING APPLICATION, I'LL GIVE YOU OUT COMMENTS AGAIN.
I MOVE, WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR COMMENTS.
NOW I WANT TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS.
IS ANYBODY HERE AGAINST THIS? I'M GOING TO BE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING SEC, I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. JOEL, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE.
THAT LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL SHOWS FULL MOBILE HOMES ON THIS PROPERTY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THESE FOLKS ARE, THESE ARE OCCUPIED.
THIS IS FOR MOBILE HOMES OR RENTED TO THAT.
ARE THEY OWNED BY MR. PARKER? THEY ARE OWNED BY MR. PARKER.
MR. PARKER HAS STATED THAT HE WILL REMOVE THE APPROXIMATELY TWO OF THOSE MOBILE HOMES.
AND TWO OF THEM ARE LONGER, UH, OCCUPIED MOBILE HOMES.
WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN THERE OVER THE YEARS
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THAT HE'S GOING TO EITHER REPLACE THOSE MOBILE HOMES OR THEY'RE GOING TO REMAIN ON SITE.UM, IF YOU HAD ANY IT'S IN YOUR DISTRICT AND, UH, WELL, WE GOT TO CALL THE QUESTION.
I'M CLOSING THE OF HERE IN FIRST.
NOW COMES THE CONSENT AGENDA MOOD WE'RE DOCTOR SEC.
UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, A QUESTION ON WHAT WILL BE A, I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
WHEREAS NUMBER 10, IT SAYS DOT RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY OF POLICE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE NARCOLEPSY WHO HAS BEEN DOING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY'VE BEEN COMING TO ME AND A RECENT CHANGE IN THE LAW HAS MADE IT PERMISSIBLE FOR HIM TO DO IT AND BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO DO.
AND HE CAN GET MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE FORM THAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BY PLACING NAME OF THE CHIEF AND HIS TITLE.
AND THERE'S A SECOND PAGE BILL THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, APPARENTLY A SECOND PHASE, THE SAME AS THE TOP OFFICIAL LOCATION, TRAFFIC FACIAL TIME, DOESN'T SAY SO.
I THINK I JUST CAME WITH THE COMPANY RECOMMENDED.
SO THAT'S, I GUESS IT JUST ADVISE HIM AS TO WHO THEY GETTING COFFEE OR WHATEVER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
NOW THIS THEN MEANS THAT EVERY TIME, UH, CHANGE CHIEFS OR WHATEVER, WE WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK AND REDO THIS THING, REGULAR GENERIC.
BUT CHEAP OR CHEAPER PLACE WITHOUT
I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU'RE SAYING CORRECT.
THE STATUTE TO WHICH PERMITS YOU TO DESIGNATE THE PERSON BY TITLE THAT WAY OF TURNOVER.
ANYBODY ELSE YOU, ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH.
LET ME MAKE ONE COMMENT OR PERSPECTIVE.
NUMBER 12, IDENTIFY AS TWO SEGMENTS OF BURN STREET, WHICH OUGHT TO BE DELETED FROM THE EXISTING ORDINANCE.
THERE IS A THIRD SEGMENT BETWEEN FALLING STREET AND FLEET STREET.
BUT IF YOU WOULD, INSTEAD OF THE ORDINANCE FOR BAD AS HAVING THREE DELETIONS AND THEN DETONATE ALL OF BURN STREET TWENTY-FIVE MILES PER HOUR, I WOULD BE A LITTLE BUTTON.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE ANY MOTION TO THAT? ARE YOU JUST SAYING, WELL, I CAN MAKE A MOTION.
SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE CONSENT THAT WE HAVE, THE NECESSARY CHANGES TO ITEM 12.
SO THEY DON'T WANT, DID YOU HAVE A FILTER? I DON'T THINK I HAD ANYBODY
I SAID, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY APPOINTMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PROBABLY SOME OFFICIAL OR WHATEVER FOR US TO MOVE ON? UH, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST EMPHASIZE THAT WE REALLY DO NEED THE EXTRA TWO APPOINTMENTS ON THE POLICE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD TO BE MADE.
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IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.WE NEED TO BE ON ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF, UH, FILLING THOSE VACANCIES.
AND WE'VE BEEN HOLDING OFF TO GET THOSE APPOINTMENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH THE PROCESS AND HOPEFULLY THAT BY THE TIME THE PROCESS GETS TO THE POINT WHERE THE BOARD HAS TO CONSIDER THEM, THEN THOSE APPOINTMENTS WILL BE MADE, I BELIEVE, ALDERMAN, OR MAKE THAT NOMINATION AND, UH, ALDERMAN FREE.
SO IF THEY WOULD PLEASE HELP US OUT IN AT LEAST GETTING THOSE DONE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH SOMEBODY ABOUT THE TAVERN MAIL.
I HAVE ONE, BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM TODAY TO VERIFY THAT THEY COULD ACCEPT IT.
AND, AND WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH HIPS AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO APPOINT SOMEBODY AT THE NEXT MEETING OR TAKE PART OF THE PROCESS.
WHO'S APPOINTMENTS IS NOMINATIONS TO BE MADE BY ALTA BRAINER AND ONWARD 3 0 2.
WELL, THEY, UH, THE LADY THAT I APPOINTED A WHILE BACK, YOU KNOW, THEY, SHE APPEARS IN THE COURT SYSTEM SAID THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR HER TO SERVE ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
WELL, MISCELLANEOUS THEN, AND TO START WITH DON.
WELL, IT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS SINCE WE'VE MET.
YOU WANT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT
AND THEN ANYWAY, IT WAS PRETTY GOOD.
AND SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ME IN THE MOVING CONTEST, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE OUT LOUD ANYWAY, THE ICE CREAM, NAH, I DIDN'T DO THAT.
I HAD TO LUG MY GRANDSON ROUND.
ONE OF THE TWO I FINALLY HAD TO GIVE OUT, BUT, UH, I'LL TELL YOU WHY THE, THEY ADD UP HOW MUCH IT EAT OVER THE YEARS.
I CAN GUARANTEE IT'S A GUY SAID ONCE ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE, YOU CAN FLOAT THE QUEEN, MARY, NOT MEMPHIS.
UH, WHERE WE STOOD ON THE PICNIC, I HAVE A MEMO FROM THE CHIEF THAT JUST CAME TO ME TODAY.
WE'VE SURVEYED SEVERAL DIFFERENT CITIES TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT DOING.
AND WE'LL BRING HIS RECOMMENDATION TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I HAVE HAD SEVERAL COMPLAINTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
HE SAID, WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT DOGS, THE NEIGHBORHOODS GETTING NO CATCHER.
AND WE HAVE THE KIND OF THINGS AS A GROUP, WE HAVE A LEASE ON, WE DO HAVE A LEASH LAW AND SAYS ALL DOGS, SHE'LL BE RESTRAINED BY THE OWNER.
UH, IF THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF THE PREMISES OF THE OWNER, HOWEVER, WE DO NOT ACTIVELY ENFORCE THAT.
UNLESS THERE IS SOME PROBLEM WITH AN ANIMAL SOMEWHERE, AND THEN WE DO IT.
WE WILL POLICE IT BY COMPLAINT.
NOT BY JUST GOING OUT, LOOKING FOR DOGS RUNNING ENLIST.
SO THE CHAIRMAN HAD STILL CALLED HER THE DOG.
SHE CAME DOWN, UH, OFFICER WAS THERE AND SHE WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO US WHERE WE GOT DOGS RUNNING LOOSE AND PEOPLE SEEM TO BE HAPPY.
THE REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT IN OUR TOWN.
THEY'VE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH DOGS, BUT PEOPLE NOT CLEAN UP AFTER THEIR DOGS ON.
SO CAN WE, CAN WE, UH, COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF AMENDMENT TO OUR CURRENT LEASE LAUNDRY CLUB OR DOG OWNERS TO CLEAN UP AFTER THE ANIMALS? OH, WELL THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ENFORCED TO KNOW SLIDE, NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME.
I TELL YOU, LET ME ASK THIS MESSED UP MESSED AWARD WITHIN LIGHT OF A LITTLE BIT ON JESSIE.
EXACTLY WHAT ONE'S LIABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY IS REGARDING ADULTS.
IN OTHER WORDS, AS SERIOUS, IT IS WHEN YOU HAVE DOLLARS AND RUN ABOUT THAT, THAT ARE NOT UNDER YOUR CONTROL.
COULD YOU GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES OF CALAMITY THAT COULD
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HAPPEN, THAT PEOPLE DON'T PAY ATTENTION? WELL, OF COURSE THE ORDINANCE IS DIRECTED AT REQUIRING THAT AN OWNER OF A DOG HAVE THE DOG CONTROL.IF THE DOG IS OFF OF HIS PREMISES.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THE ORDINANCE AS WAS MENTIONED, WHICH DOESN'T PROVIDE NEW ADJUNCT DOG OFF HIS PREMISES CLEANING UP AFTER THE DOG, AS FAR AS ANY OTHER THINGS WHICH MIGHT RESOLVE ON THE DOME BEING LOOSE.
OF COURSE, IF, IF THE DOG GETS OUT THERE AND THE DOG ATTACKED SOMEBODY, THIS ORDINANCE COULD COME INTO PLAY.
IT COULDN'T BE RELEVANT IN TERMS OF LIVE VOTING.
AND NOT THE FIRST, THE FIRST TIME THEY'D TAKE IT TO ANIMAL SHELTER.
YOU COULD GO PICK UP THE DOG NAME THAT YOU MAY HAVE PAID SOMETHING AMAZON.
AND THE THIRD TIME YOU GO TO COLD, WELL, THAT DOG IS OUT OF YOUR CONTROL.
THE SCIENCE BILL CAME OFF YOUR PROPERTY LIKE MR. WARD WAS TALKING ABOUT THEN, YOU KNOW, DOGS CAN DO LOTS OF THINGS LIKE BITING PEOPLE AND THIS AND THAT.
AND WHATEVER PEOPLE NEED TO RELY ON THE LATEST LAW IS NOT JUST TO BE MEAN ABOUT PEOPLE'S DOGS, BUT IT'S TO REMIND PEOPLE OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF OWNING AN ANIMAL, YOU DON'T WANT HIM TO GET RUN OVER EVEN THAT'S RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOUR DOG IS AND YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE DOG IS UP TO.
CAN I COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION? WELL, I WANT TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I HAD SIMILAR COMMENTS.
AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT FIRST OF ALL, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BE BRIEFED ON WHAT OUR, UM, POOPER SCOOPER LAW OR WHATEVER YOUR, YOU WANT TO CALL LEAST ORDINANCE PERTAINS.
AND THEN JUST TELL THE PEOPLE TO CALL THE POLICE WHEN THEY HAVE DISTURBANCES AND LET'S START RIDING A FEW TICKETS.
MAYBE PEOPLE WILL BE MORE INCLINED TO TAKE CARE OF THE DOGS.
DON'T HAVE PROOF THAT, THAT DOG, YOUR SENSES, THAT'S THE PROOF OF YOUR SENSES.
LET'S DO SOMETHING REASONABLE THE LAST, LAST, LAST, PASS THIS ON TO THE COURTS AND TO TELL HIM THAT WHEN THE HAND AND OUT 50 OR A HUNDRED HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE, GIVE THE GUY SCOOPER AND SEND HIM OUT AND DO SOME GOOD AND DUMP THE PUBLIC AT ONE TIME.
SO YOU HAVE TO USE A LITTLE LOGIC.
I'VE GOT A FEELING I'M GOING TO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND THIS WAS ALL A DREAM.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND THAT IS, WE DISCUSSED THE PROBLEMS. I'M SORRY, YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN IT A NEWSPAPER.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE PROBLEM IN PLEASANT HILL, AS WE DISCUSSED.
I WANTED TO KNOW IF WE HAVE BIG GUT ADVERTISEMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE YOU STARTED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL THAT WE NEED TO BE SURVEY YOU HAVE IN THE AREA.
AS FAR AS DETERMINING WHAT AREAS IN PLEASANT HILL WOULD MOST LIKELY FIT INTO THE
WHAT ABOUT THE ONE THAT ORDINANCE ABOUT PACK THE ROAD TO, YES, THAT WILL BE APPLE TAGGED AND FRIDAYS THE NEXT BOARD MEETING AGAIN, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE DOORS, HELPING ME WITH THE PROBLEM.
AND I'M COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE I GOT
THIS IS ALICE JERKINS WAS FIGHTING CITY HALL FOR A LONG TIME.
AND TO GET HER THE TRAILER HOME QUICK AND LAST NIGHT, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ALLOWED OTHER BARRACKS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK NOW OR CLARIFICATION ON ONE THING YOU MENTIONED, THAT'S ALL.
UH, AND I HATE TO GO BACK TO RADIATION LAW ORDINANCE, BUT HE MENTIONED IF A DOG IS IN VIOLATIONS, LEASH LAW SHOULD HAVE TO BITE
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SOMEONE.THERE'S A QUESTION OF LIABILITY WHO'S LIABILITY WITH THE CITY, PERHAPS BASED ANY LIABILITY FOR, AS BILL SAID, NOT ACTIVELY DIVORCING THAT QUESTION.
I THINK IT WAS FINALLY DETERMINED THAT OUR NEXT TOWN HALL MEETING NOVEMBER THE 15TH, MR.
SO I'M SCARED TO SAY WHAT NIGHT IT IS.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S 15TH AND 17TH, BUT I THINK IT'S A BIG THING, BUT WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO START PLUGGING.
IT SAID 15 IS OUR REGULAR WORK SESSION DATE.
SO I THINK SHE ENDED UP AT NIGHT AFTER THE WORK SESSION WAS ON A MONDAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
NOVEMBER THE 15TH WAS ON THE 16TH.
IT'S THE NIGHT AFTER THE WORK SITE.
IT MUST BE THE 16TH, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME YET IF YOU DON'T MIND.
BUT THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS I JUST WANT TO START EARLY ENOUGH.
BUT THE POINT IS, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE START PLUGGING IT EARLY ENOUGH THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S THERE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO BE AT THE NEXT ONE.
WE HAD NO
AND, UH, YEAH, I'M KIND OF LOOKING FORWARD TO IT IN A SENSE SIMPLY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT TRULY IS A WAY TO GET A REAL FEELING FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, WHAT THEY LIKE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING OR NOT DOING, OR WHETHER THEY HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL ARE TRULY TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN AND WE NEED TO KNOW THOSE THINGS.
SO, UH, FOR SURE IT, EVERYBODY THAT WE'LL IMAGINE THAT EVERY MEETING WILL HAVE ADS IN THE PAPER.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, UH, I WENT TO A, AGAIN, A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING HERE.
WELL, I WENT TO TWO, THE FIRST ONE WAS, IT WAS THE EARTHQUAKE.
IT WAS KIND OF FUNNY THAT BODY FAILED IT IN THE BUILDING.
WE WENT INTO WHY MCA BUILDING STIRRED A LOT, BUT ANYWAY, WENT TO THE NEXT ONE.
REAL NICE LADY, UH, MENTIONED ABOUT THE, UH, HER PROPERTY AND SOME OTHERS ARE BUDDED AND Y M C A PROPERTY NEAR WHERE THE YMC MCA WAS GOING HAVE A SOCCER FIELD.
DANNY, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS.
AND IT SEEMS THAT THE Y WE CUT THE GRASS, I GUESS, IS PLACES THEY COULD WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
YOU MAY UNDERSTAND IT MORE THAN I DO.
AND THEY BUILT SOME SORT OF A RICH LAYER TO DEVELOP A SOCCER FIELD, A LOT OF WHATEVER.
AND THIS LADY, UH, SHE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE SHE WAS GETTING PROPER DRAINAGE ON HER PROPERTY FOR ONE THING.
AND IT SEEMS TO BE A STRIP THAT'S LEFT THE GRASS CUT BETWEEN HER PROPERTY AND THE YS PROPERTY, AND THE Y I HAVE SERVED ON THE BOARD FOR AWHILE AND, UH, FINALLY HAD TO RESIGN BECAUSE OF OBVIOUSLY OTHER THINGS TO DO.
AND I KNOW THAT THE WISE IS A WONDERFUL THING.
AND AS IS SOME VERY WONDERFUL PEOPLE HAVE HELPED THAT YMC WHO DIDN'T WANT ANY CREDIT, WHICH IS A SHAME REALLY, BECAUSE SOME FOLKS HAVE DONE SOME WONDERFUL THINGS FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURGH ANONYMOUSLY, BUT ANYWAY, WHY DIDN'T HAVE VERY MUCH MONEY.
I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, AND THE WHY NEEDS TO KIND OF HELP AND HELP WE CAN GET MY POINT IS IF THERE'S ANY WAY, THE WAY IS THE CITY CAN HELP THEM WITH THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE GETTING CUT OR TRIMMED OR WHATEVER IT IS I WOULD APPRECIATED IF YOU WOULD LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN HELP THEM OUT.
IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE REST OF THIS MORNING, I WAS, I'M ONLY ONE SEVENTH, BUT I DO HAVE THE HAMMER WHEREVER IT IS RIGHT HERE.
WHAT'D YOU, WHAT'D YOU DO THAT? WELL, DOES ONE OF THE BOYS, THAT'S ABOUT, THAT'S THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU DID MOW ONE TIME BEFORE, BUT THERE, RIGHT BEHIND THE HOUSES THAT THEY DIDN'T MOW THAT OFF.
AND THE DRAINAGE DITCH AND USED TO GO THROUGH THE FIELD, IT'S STILL FILLED IN.
SO THE SMALLER DRAINAGE DITCHES AROUND THEIR HOUSE, DON'T, UH, OF POSSIBILITY OF GETTING THAT PIPE FAN, UH, WHERE THEY HAD, I KNOW IT'S, WE'RE TALKING MONEY, BUT, UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A DRAINAGE AND IT WAS A DRAINAGE RED CHAIR AND THEY, THE Y PROPERTY, THE DITCH WAS FILLED IN.
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SYSTEM.IF THERE'S A DRAINAGE PROBLEM, THEN WHO MUST FIX IT IT'S EITHER US OR THE Y.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THIS IS A MATTER OF MONEY.
I CAN TELL YOU IS GOING TO HAVE TO MEET, TO FIX IT.
COULD YOU TELL US HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST PLEASE? THANKS.
IS THAT A CITY DRAINAGE? THAT'S A YARD DRAINAGE SITUATION, BUT AS A YARDS RAIN, THE SITUATION THAT WAS CAUSED BY, AND, AND I'M JUST SAYING THIS FROM HEARSAY, FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, THE PROPERTY OWNER DIDN'T CAUSE THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM.
SO I MEAN BEFORE, BEFORE THAT, WHERE WE MAINTAIN IN THAT DITCH.
WELL, BEFORE THAT, DID IT NEED MAINTENANCE? THE LAST, YES, LET'S REDUCE IT.
LET'S REDUCE IT TO THIS $400 STANDS BETWEEN US AND FIXING THE PROBLEM.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THAT WHATEVER WE NEED ON 400 BUCKS, SOME OLD MAN ROLL CALL OR WHATEVER YOU WANT, EXCUSE ME, THEY HAVE A SMALL DRAINAGE PROBLEM.
IT'S A SMALL, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE STANDING.
SO I'M LARGE TO SOME PEOPLE THAT IT APPEARS ACCORDING TO NANNY AND ESTIMATED FOR ONE, A DOLLARS WILL FIX THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS PRECIPITATED BY A SOCCER FIELD DEVELOPMENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT WASN'T ANYBODY'S FAULT.
THIS IS ONE OF THESE SORT OF A FAULT MS. DALES.
AND WHY IS, UH, AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS A VERY GOOD ORGANIZATION THAT NEEDS ALL THE HELP IT CAN GET.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND I MEAN, UH, I HATE TO SAY THIS AND I AIN'T GOING TO SAY IT, BUT LET'S JUST PUT IT THIS WAY.
IF YOU'LL FIX THE DRAIN, WE'LL FINISH
I'LL JUST SAY I'M GET PAID FOR AND THAT'S AS FAR AS I'M GOING.
IS THERE A QUESTION ROLL CALL DO ON THERE? THIS, I MEAN, WE'LL LET A LITTLE VOICE ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
I DIDN'T HEAR HER SAYING, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MOW THAT FIELD AGAIN, DANNY AND CLEAR OFF THE BANK.
OH, I TOLD HIM HE DIDN'T HAVE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO DO IT.
THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY AT ANYWAY.
I NOTICED THE CITY CREW DOWN, CLEANING THE SIDE DRAINAGE DITCHES THE OTHER DAY.
THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS WHAT IS THIS?
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THAT 50TH BIRTHDAY.
THAT'S KIND OF AN ANIME, BUT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED IN HERE.
I'VE ONLY GOT ONE THING THIS IS FOR, FOR MIKE AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND, UH, INSPECTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OUT IN CYPRUS SHORES.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU GUYS DID TO GET THAT, THOSE EMPTY LOTS OUT OF THAT BOAT AND CLEANED UP.
IN FACT, NOT JUST THOSE TWO WITH THE BIG ONES, EVERYTHING DOWN THE BACK WAS CLEANED UP TOO.
I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT AND THAT'S ALL ABOUT THAT'S GOOD.
I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT, THAT THE MIRROR AND I, WE HAVE GONE TO KENSTON TO, UH, TALK TO THE RECREATIONAL OFFICIALS AND COUNSEL THEM REGARDING THEIR POOL FACILITIES.
AND, UH, BOTH OF US WERE QUITE IMPRESSED, NOT ONLY WITH WHAT THEIR CURRENT POOL FACILITIES ARE, BUT THEIR PLANS AND THEIR RECREATION, THEIR RECREATION FACILITIES ON THE WHOLE.
AND THE ESTIMATES THAT WE GOT FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE POOL WERE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT WE GOT FROM THIS FROM NEWBURN.
BUT WE HAVE NOT COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON THE FEASIBILITY OF NEWBURN HAVING A POOL, BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE STILL SOME WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO.
FOR INSTANCE, I THINK WE NEED TO CALL TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ACTUAL COST OF BUILDING A POOL.
AND THEN WE NEED TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION, WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED AN OUTSIDE POOL OR INDOOR POOL FOR YEAR ROUND USE.
BUT, UH, I JUST WANT TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT WE DID GO AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
AND ALSO, UH, ALONG WHAT ROBERT SAID, THERE WERE A LOT OF, UH, IN
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ORDER TO HAVE A POOL AND ACCOMPLISH, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY.I HAVE A POOL AND ACCOMPLISH THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.
THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, THINGS I GUESS, IN THE LEARNING CURVE, BUT OTHER CITIES HAVE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS ABOUT WHEN THEY SHOULD BE OPEN WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE OPEN TO HOW MANY LIFEGUARDS IT TAKES AND THIS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE EXPENSES WERE LASTING THAT HE AND I NEVER WOULD'VE GUESSED.
AND YET SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT COST MONEY, I NEVER WOULD'VE GUESSED THAT.
SO IT'S NOT AN EASY PROBLEM TO SOLVE BELIEVE, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S ONE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING AN AFFIDAVIT AND THAT'S WHAT ROBERT WAS SAYING.
I THINK, AND I'M SAYING WE ARE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT ONE MORE TIME IN THIS MATTER, OJ SIX CASE WAS AT IT.
MR. MILLER, THE ATTORNEYS PAY US FOR THE ORAL ARGUMENT IN THE INSPECTIONS TAKE PLACE IN THE SUPREME COURT ON OCTOBER 12TH, OCTOBER 12TH, CALENDAR THAT CAME IN REFLECTED THAT IT MOVED.
AND IT IS NOW ACTUALLY ON A CALENDAR WITH DEALS WITH MOST OF THE CASES WITH LIFESTYLE DEDICATIONS.
SHE WILL LET MR. HARPER SPEAK DURING THE MAINTENANCE SHIT.
WE ADJOURN AND LET HIM SPEAK, LET HIM SPEAK SO I CAN GO.
I'M GOING TO LET YOU SPEAK, BUT I'M GOING TO LET THEM ADJOURN AND DEFERENCE TO THEM BECAUSE THE MASTER PROTOCOL.
ALL RIGHT, WELL LET'S, LET'S JUST GO AROUND.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND LET HIM SPEAK.
FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD, IF YOU WILL COME TO THE PODIUM APPROPRIATELY NAME, ADDRESS, THEN WE GOT, WE GOT TO START DOING THAT.
YOU CAN GO TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE.
WE HAVE THINGS THAT FIXING TO HAPPEN VERY SHORTLY TO FILE THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE TO GET A PERMIT.
EVEN THOSE PEOPLE, WHAT CAN BE A BETTER EXAMPLE THAN THE STATE? OH, THE U S CAPITOL.
JUST LIKE I SAID, WE CAN BE THERE TOMORROW AND PICK IT TOMORROW WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE FROM RALEIGH, MR. HARPER INDICATES THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FROM RALEIGH AT THIS POINT IN TIME SAYS THAT THEY REQUIRED 72 HOURS.
THEY DO NOT WE'D HAVE GONE THERE AND PICKETED, I'M NOT SAYING WHAT YOU DID.
I'M JUST SAYING ONE DAY THEY HAD TOLD US THAT THEY DID.
AND I THOUGHT, BUT THEN WE SAY AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WERE GOING TO GIVE HIM 24 HOURS.
THEY SAID THE 20 K I HEARD THAT'S WHAT HE'S COMING, HE'S COMING.
HE'LL BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH, I WILL SAY TO THE CHIEF AND I MISSED EACH OTHER ON PHONE CALLS A COUPLE OF TIMES.
SO THAT MAY BE WHY HE WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE TRY, EXCUSE ME.
WE'RE TRYING TO CONSIDER REDUCING IT.
SO YOU GET THESE SOME MACHINERY TO DEFEND NOW ALL IN FAVOR OF THE JOURNEY THE GENTLEMAN HAS AS HIS LIFE.
AND THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO HERE,
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DO THIS.AND AGAIN, YOU GOT, REMEMBER HE HAS A VERY SHORT TIMEFRAME WITHIN WHICH TO RESPOND.
I UNDERSTAND THAT HE COULD ALWAYS REPORT TO YOU ON THOSE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE MADE.
I WISH I WISH THERE WAS A PROCESS THAT, THAT HE COULD REPORT THOSE TO YOU, HAROLD.
AND, UH, AT LEAST YOU COULD GET A LETTER OUT TO US BECAUSE YOU KNOW, NOT THAT THAT WE HAVE A MEETING, BUT YOU'RE EXTREMELY GOOD ABOUT GETTING LETTERS OUT TO US ON A DAILY BASIS THAT, THAT WE CAN AT LEAST PUT SOME INPUT INTO THE SHERIFF.
RIGHT NOW, WE LITERALLY HAVE NO INPUT INTO THE SHERIFF.
AND, UH, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND, AND, AND HERE WE ARE TRYING TO REPRESENT OUR AREA AND TRYING TO KEEP STUFF LIKE THAT WITHIN A DISTANCE AND WE CAN'T DO IT.
SO I THINK THOSE INSTRUCTIONS, YOU CAN PASS ALONG TO THE SHERIFF AND FOLLOW THERE.
AND THAT, I GUESS IF I HADN'T SAID SOMETHING, IT WOULD'VE BEEN BAD NOW, BUT I SORT OF READ THE HELL HERE.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED? YOU KNOW, SEE I, THAT I WANTED YOU TO EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE I FIGURED EVERYBODY KEPT IT.
UH, THE SHERIFF WOULD BE THE ONE THAT HOWARD, IT CAUSES JIM, THIS SAYING, THESE PEOPLE MIGHT NEED TO BE CHECKED TO SEE WHETHER THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENT OR NOT.
AND, UM, LEAVE THE WARRANTY COMMERCIAL HERE.
SO I MEAN THAT, AND I KNOW AS FAR AS WHAT LITTLE INPUT WE HAVE, IF HE PETITIONED THE STATE AND THE STATE SIDE TO GIVE IT TO HIM A PERMIT, HE WAS GOING TO GET IT ANYWAY.
SO, UH, I DON'T SEE YOU WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WOULD BE SO CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR COUNTY, THAT SEVERAL OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, AND WE HAVE DID A RESOLUTION AND SENT IT TO THE STATE AND THEY COME RIGHT BACK LIKE A SHOT.
SO THE STATE PATROL ONLY THING THE COUNTY COULD DO TO FIT IN.
I DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN IS DO SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION TO MAKE CRAVEN COUNTY DRIVE COUNTY.
AND THEN WE ALL BE GONE UNLESS WE GET A MOTION.
THIS CHAIR HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
SO WE'VE HAD IT ON HERE TWICE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE GOT ONE OTHER ITEM THAT, UH, FRIDAY HAD SOME COMPENSATION WITH BILL RICE MANAGER FOR COOK COUNTY.
HE HAS AN INTEREST IN BUYING FIVE OF THE SIX YARD BOXES THAT ARE STORED OUT AT OUR LANDFILL.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THEM LINED UP FOR SALE OCTOBER 15TH, WITH THREE COUNTY OPTIONS.
HOWEVER, HE'S I ASKED HIM BY HIM, HE'S WILLING TO PAY $100 EACH FOR THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF $500, BUT THE FIVE BOXES I TOLD HIM ON FRIDAY, I BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO BUY THEM AT THAT PRICE TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY'LL BRING AT THE SALE ON THE 15TH WOULD BE DIFFICULT.
I CAN TELL YOU IN PAST SALES, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING GOTTEN THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY PRINTING BOXES THAT WE'VE HAD.
UM, HE'D LIKE TO USE THEM IN HIS OPERATION DOWN THERE WILLING TO SELL THEM.
HE'S HE'S GOT A MEETING WITH HIS BOARD TONIGHT.
UM, HE WOULD GET THE AUTHORITY TO BIND
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UH, MY GUT REACTION TO IT.I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE'D GET A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR ANY MORE BAN HER BOX ON THE SLAVE, BUT STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
I FIGURED LIKE SITTING THERE, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. WE CAN DO IT LATER.
THE VALUE OF A NEW BOX IS ABOUT 450 TO $500.
IF YOU HAD TO GO OUT AND BUY A BRAND NEW YES.
WITH US TAKING THE CENTERS, I WORK AND DOING SOME OTHER THINGS.
YOU SEE US POSSIBLY NEEDING THOSE BOXES? NO, NOT THE SIX YARD, THE SMALL BOXES.
I DON'T, I THINK WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO EVENTUALLY BUY SOME MORE 30 YARD BOXES, BUT DON'T, DON'T SEE US USING SIX YARD.
THEY'RE A VARIETY OF THEY'VE BEEN BOUGHT BACK IN OUR OTHER PROGRAM.
THEY'RE AT LEAST, UH, WERE PURCHASED PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER 91 DATE WHEN THEY ARE S TOOK OVER.
SO WE'RE ALL CLOSE TO THREE YEARS OLD IF THEY WILL BALK AT THAT DAY.
SO IT, IT, HIM SAYING IT IT'S VARIABLES AS TO WHAT SITE WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED, UH, WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN SET ON FIRE, A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS.
MY BEST REACTION AT THIS POINT.
THE BOXES, ALL THAT HE WANT ALL HAD BEEN HUGE, RIGHT? YES.
I'LL SAY TO YOU, THEY ARE THE GOOD.