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I WOULD FALL IN OUT WITH GOD AS WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FATHER FOR BEING HERE.
ONE MORE TIME TO DO BUSINESS IN YOUR NAME, FATHER.
WE ANSWERED OUR BLESS ALL THOSE IS HERE.
TONIGHT, FATHER, WE HAVE A SPECIAL BLESSING FOR THE CITY BOARD TONIGHT OR FALL THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO DO WORK, DO THE WORKS THAT YOU HAVE DESTINED FOR THEM TO DO, OR FATHER HELP US THAT WE MAY WORK CLOSE TOGETHER AS BROTHERS AND SISTER IN LOVE.
LET US REALIZE THERE'LL BE OUR BROTHER'S KEEPER.
FOLLOW THE STRICKLAND'S WAY, WHERE WE CAN BUILD US UP WHERE WE ARE TORN DOWN.
FATHER HELP US THAT WE MAY MAKE THIS CENTER.
AMALA SAID THE FATHER SAID IS THAT OTHER CITIES CAN LOOK AT THIS CITY AND SAY, WHOA, WALL, A GREAT JOB.
THEY HAVE DONE PROBABLY TO HELP US IN JESUS NAVY PRAYING COUNTED, DONE.
WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT HAD A RECORD MONTH.
LAST MONTH IN FEBRUARY, WE TREATED A TOTAL OF 151.6 MILLION GALLONS THAT AVERAGE A 5.1 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, UH, WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF OUR PERMIT.
UH, WE HAVE A 4.7 MILLION GALLON PER DAY PERMIT, UH, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA IS GOING TO STAY WITHIN THEIR PERMIT LIMITS.
THIS MONTH IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, OUR, UH, BOD EFFICIENCY REMOVAL WAS 85%.
UH, OUR SUSPENDED SOLIDS EFFICIENCY WAS ONLY 80% DUE TO THE DILUTION OF THE RAINWATER.
UH, THE SOLIDS JUST WEREN'T THERE TO BE REMOVED.
WE DID REMOVE WITHIN LIMITS, UH, THE 30 PARTS PER MILLION.
UH, WE REMOVED IT DOWN TO 21.2% 21.2, UM, MILLIGRAMS PER LITER AND 26.4 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER SUSPENDED SOLIDS.
UH, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? UM, THE UPDATE ON THE QUARRY IS THIS WEEK WE HAVE, UM, FINALIZED OUR REPORT ON THE QUARRY THAT WE'LL BE GOING TO THE STATE.
WE WILL BE REQUESTING A PERMIT TO DISCHARGE, UH, TERTIARY TREATED EFFLUENT INTO THE, UH, NEW, OLD NEWBURN CORY.
UH, WE HAVE MET WITH DIVISION OF WATER QUALITY AND THE GROUNDWATER SECTION AND HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS THERE.
UH, WE WILL BE ENTERTAINING A CHANGE ORDER, TWO RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES CONTRACT, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR THE ADDITIONAL COST OF SOME ADDITIONAL STUDIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED BEFORE PERMIT WOULD BE FINALIZED.
AND WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE MID JUNE DEADLINE, UH, FOR THE OPTIONAL NET PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
WE'LL DO FUCKING PEOPLE HERE TO TALK ABOUT AGAIN, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OVERLAY, DISTRICT 11, REAL FAMILIAR OUT THERE.
THE NEXT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AT YOU WILL HAVE THE
WE'D GOING TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN WHAT ALL THAT'S ABOUT THE ONE OR TWO.
UH, AS YOU ALLUDED TO MR. MAYOR, THE ISSUE HAS BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS AND WAS RE REVIEWED ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
PRIOR TO THAT, UH, WHAT IT SEEKS TO DO IS TO ESTABLISH, UH, SOME MINIMUM, UH, DESIGN
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STANDARDS, UH, FOR THE AREA GENERALLY REFERRED TO AS GANT.THERE WERE FOUR OPTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, BY STAFF FOR CONSIDERATION THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDED OPTION NUMBER THREE, UH, WHICH WAS ONE THAT, UM, INCLUDED, UM, THE GHENT AREA, UH, THE Y M C A AND 200 FEET OF WHAT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO AS THE CREIGHTON PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PARK AVENUE.
FOLLOWING THAT DISCUSSION AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, THE, UM, INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT THEY FAVORED OPTION NUMBER FOUR, UM, THIS HAS BEEN RE ADVERTISED.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR CONSIDERATION IS OPTION FOUR.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR IS THAT FOUR GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGHWAY 70 BYPASS, INCLUDING THE ENTIRE CREIGHTON TRACK AND NOT JUST THE FIRST 200 FEET ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PARK AVENUE.
THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR SURVEY, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, WE MAILED OUT 291 SURVEYS.
WE RECEIVED 101 RESPONSES, UH, OF THE ONES THAT WE RECEIVED, 85 FAVORED, THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE OVERLAY, AND 16 WERE OPPOSED.
SO THAT WAS PROBABLY A FIVE TO ONE RATIO.
THE, UH, OTHER QUESTION, UH, PUT TO THE RESIDENCE WAS, UH, THE OPTIONS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR, UH, THE, UH, OPTION NUMBER THREE, BEING THE 200 FOOT DEPTH, UH, RECEIVE 15 VOTES OPTION FOUR, WHICH INCLUDED THE ENTIRE CREIGHTON TRACK WITH THE GANT AREA RECEIVE 57 VOTES AND 13 VOTES WERE SHARED BETWEEN OPTIONS ONE AND TWO.
UM, FOLLOWING THE RECEIPT OF THE VOTES, UH, STAFF WAS REQUESTED TO GO BACK OUT AND CALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAD NOT RESPONDED.
UH, WE DID THAT AND BASED ON THAT, WE RECEIVED 12 MORE BALLOTS AND, AND OF THOSE 10 WERE IN SUPPORT.
AND TWO WERE IN OPPOSITION OF THE 10 THAT WERE IN SUPPORT NINE SUPPORTED OPTION NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE TOTAL AREA, ALL OF THE CREIGHTON TRACK AND ONE SUPPORTED OPTION.
NUMBER ONE, UH, THERE WAS, UM, UH, I GUESS SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT I THINK THAT SORT OF GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF IT AND I'LL BE GLAD TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS REQUESTED.
WHAT WAS THE IMPETUS BEHIND HAVING THIS? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? OKAY.
THE CONCERN SURFACED, DEALING WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS TAKING PLACE IN THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE CITY WAS APPROACHED BY CITIZENS IN THE AREA THAT WERE, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT DID NOT APPEAR COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
AND THEY'RE CONCERNED TO TRY TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ASK WHAT COULD BE DONE TO HELP ENSURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAINS ITS UNIQUE CHARACTER AND THAT THAT CHARACTER IS NOT CHANGED OR DILUTED BY OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT STYLES THAT ARE VERY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THAT.
AND SO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT WAS A WAY TO PUT SOME MINIMAL STANDARDS IN TO HELP ENSURE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WENT INTO, UH, THIS AREA OF WHICH IS A NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, TO, TO HELP ENSURE THAT, UH, UH, THERE WAS SOME COMPATIBILITY IN THE STRUCTURES CAME UP WITH THE CRITERIA.
I UNDERSTAND THE SPLIT OF SETBACKS IN MY LIFE.
IT CAME FROM LOOKING AT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOUSES THAT WERE OUT THERE.
ALSO LOOKING AT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF HOUSES THAT ARE ABOUT IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
UM, IF YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, THE, THE OLDER HOMES WERE BUILT ON CRAWL
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SPACES, UH, IN RECENT YEARS, UH, WE'VE SEEN SLAB CONSTRUCTION INTRODUCED MORE AND MORE.SO ONE OF THE STANDARDS WAS TO EITHER HAVE THE HOUSES BUILT ON A CRAWL SPACE OR WHAT'S CALLED A MODIFIED SLAB.
SO THAT AT LEAST APPEARS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER HOUSES INSTEAD OF THE HOUSES COMING ALONG.
AND THEN ONE DROPS DOWN A COUPLE OF FEET OR SO.
UM, THE ISSUE OF, UH, PORCHES, FOR EXAMPLE, A SURVEY OF THE AREA SHOWED THAT 182 HOUSES HAD PORCHES, UH, 98 DID NOT.
THAT'S IN THE TOTAL AREA IN AREA ONE, WHICH IS THE OLDER AREA.
IT WAS ABOUT THREE TO ONE, A HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN PORCHES, 2 54 PORCHES.
THE ROOF PITCH IN YOUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS TENDS TO BE STEEPER THAN IN YOUR NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU'LL SEE THEM DROPPING DOWN TO A FOUR 12 OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
WHEREAS THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE GANT TYPICALLY HAD A SIX OR SEVEN, 12 OR GREATER PITCH.
SO LOOKED AT THOSE CHARACTERISTICS, THE PRIMARY CHARACTERISTICS THAT DEFINED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WORKING WITH THE, UM, UH, PRESERVATION, UH, FOUNDATION IN NORTH CAROLINA, UH, AND ALSO THE INITIAL WORK THAT WAS DONE SOME YEARS AGO WHEN GHENT WAS NOMINATED AS A NATIONAL REGISTER, HISTORIC DISTRICT, THESE SAME TYPES OF DESIGN ELEMENTS, UH, WERE IDENTIFIED AS BEING CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS AGE HOUSING IN THE AREA.
SO THAT'S HOW THOSE WERE GOTTEN TO MIKE, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
IS THERE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS TOWN THAT HAS AN OVERLAY DISTRICT OVERLAY ZONING? YES.
WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT? THAT'S THE LAWSON CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS BUILDING SOME HOUSES AND THAT WHOLE LAKE DISTRICT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
IS THAT CREATING AN UNDUE, HORSESHOE, FINANCIAL HARDSHIP FOR THE BUILDERS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE NONE.
I MEAN, I THINK AT THIS TIME IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO HOLD THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ALL FOUR IN THE CAMPUS AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD PROBABLY SPEAK, I GUESS, THE NEED TO HAVE SOME GUIDELINES AS TO THE DURATION.
AND WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK FOR WHOM, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR GREAT SCOTT.
HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO HOW MANY, I MEAN, HIS WHOLE
I ASKED HIM, I ASKED HIM TO LIVE THERE.
WHO AGAINST IT? IT LIVE THOUGH.
HOW MANY IS FROM THE CHURCH? YOU'RE TRYING TO GET IDEA OF WHO'S REPRESENTING, OKAY.
WHEN GOD CAN SPEAK ALL IN ONE LIST, RIGHT? DO ALL THE BAR OR A PIECE IF YOU COME HOME.
I'M BILL GREENGUARD CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH.
I WANTED TO SAY UP FRONT THAT I'VE GOT NOT ONE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING INCLUDED IN THIS OR ANY OTHER AREA OF RESTRICTIONS WHO DESIRE TO BE.
I DO HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE BEING FORCED TO GIVE UP THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR AESTHETIC VALUES WHEN THEY DO NOT INVOLVE FIRE HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT MY MAIN REASON FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, IT'S THIS IT'S TRUE THAT THE GUINEA AREA WAS MADE A TYPE OF HISTORIC DISTRICT SOMETIME BACK.
BUT IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT OUR CHURCH WAS PURPOSELY EXCLUDED IN THAT.
AND WE APPRECIATED THAT VERY MUCH.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING HERE TONIGHT TO BE GIVEN US.
ALL WE'RE ASKING IS TO LET US KEEP WHAT WE'VE GOT.
WE WON'T ENJOY THE SAME STATUS.
THE LAST I CHECKED, BUT THE CHRISTIAN LAW ASSOCIATION, THERE WERE MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF CASES PENDING IN THIS COUNTRY OF LITIGATION BETWEEN CHURCHES AND CIVIL GOVERNMENT.
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AND MOST OF THESE HAD TO DO WITH ZONING PROBLEMS WHEN CHURCHES WAS GOING TO GROW AND SO FORTH.SO I DON'T HAVE ONE ORDER OF COMPLAINT TO THESE DEAR FOLK WHO WANT TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY IN THAT, BUT I DO HAVE A COMPLAINT AND A PROBLEM WITH PLACING THE CHURCH THAT HAS NOT BEEN IN IT.
I DON'T SEE ANY VALUE TO THE CITY OF PUTTING US IN IT.
I DO SEE THE POTENTIAL FOR POTENTIAL LITIGATION DOWN THE ROAD FOR CONGREGATION.
UH, IF, AND WHEN I KNOW THAT THE RULES SAY THAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE RESIDENCES, BUT ALSO KNOW THAT, UH, ANYTIME YOU INCREASE THE ZONING RULES, YOU HAVE THAT POTENTIAL FOR PROBLEMS COMING UP IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO ASK YOU TO GIVE US ANYTHING.
WE ARE ASKING YOU TO LEAVE US AS WE ARE.
I PASSED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 35 YEARS.
A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A REQUEST IN, FOR A ZONING CHANGE FOR OUR ELEMENTARY BUILDING, BECAUSE WE WANT TO SELL AND ENLARGE OUR SCHOOL FACILITIES.
WE REQUESTED THAT FOR AN O AND I, WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT MIGHT BE ALL RIGHT.
WE FOUND OUT THAT, UH, OPINIONS HAD CHANGED TO THE ZONING BOARD RATHER.
AND SO WE WITHDREW THAT WE HAVE GOOD NEIGHBORS OUT THERE AND WE'VE TRIED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS OUT THERE.
THEY FELT LIKE IF WE CHANGED THAT TO AN ONI CLASSIFICATION, THAT WE WERE GOING TO SOME WAY IN DANGER, THEIR STATUS, WE DIDN'T COME HERE TO ENDANGER PEOPLE'S STATUS.
WE CAME HERE TO SERVE THE LORD AND SERVE THESE PEOPLE.
SO WE, I'M NOT TRYING TO PAT US ON THE BIKE, BUT WE WILLING TO READ THROUGH THAT.
NOW WE'RE ASKING THAT A CHANGE WANTS TO BE MADE.
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER LEAVING US.
LIKE WE ARE OUR CHURCH PROPERTIES AND NOT TO PUT US UNDER THE ZONING REGULATIONS THAT THOUGH TONIGHT I WILL READILY ADMIT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S HOLDING THE STICK OVER US TONIGHT, BUT I THINK IT COULD SURE PREVENT IN THE FUTURE POSSIBLE PROBLEMS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
I JUST CAME BACK FROM INDIA THIS PAST WEEK FROM A PEOPLE THAT WILL NEVER KNOW THE FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES THAT YOU AND I ENJOY.
AND I KNOW YOU CAN PICK THE GOOSE ONE FEATHER AT A TIME AND NOT KILL HIM.
IT WON'T BE TOO LONG BEFORE HE CAN'T FLY.
AND I REALIZE I'M PART OF A DYING BREED.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS AND INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES THAT DO NOT INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS ARE STILL PRECIOUS TO ME.
AND SO I ASKED FOR THAT CONSIDERATION.
HOW LONG DID YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE HAD YOUR CHURCH? 35 YEARS.
WE BOUGHT THE CHURCH FROM ANOTHER RELIGIOUS GROUP.
WE DIDN'T, WE BUILT ONE BUILDING, BUT THEY BUILT THE OTHER.
SO THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR FLEET FOLKS NOT TO GIVE US ANYTHING.
CAN I ASK YOU MIKE? OR WHAT, WHAT WAS THE THINKING IN INCLUDING THE CHURCH? YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS MAN WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT MR. MAYOR, I MAY BE WRONG, BUT IT'S MY, MY NAME'S ROSS HARSHMAN.
UM, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WAS WILLING TO EXCLUDE THE CHURCH PROPERTY.
AND IT SOMEHOW GOT OVERLOOKED IN THE WRITEUP.
I MIGHT BE MISTAKEN, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE.
I GUESS I SHOULD DEFER TO MIKE OR LEWIS, WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT? YEAH.
HATE SLIDES TO BE YOUR ONE DELETES.
AND WE'LL PUT HIM ON, UH, THE BOUNDARIES OF A DRONE.
USUALLY YOU TRY TO DRAW BOUNDARIES ALONG STREET LINES, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S EASILY INTERPRETED TO INTERPRET ON THE GROUND.
UH, AND THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON THAT IT WOULD BE THERE.
THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, IT IN NO WAY AFFECTS AN INSTITUTIONAL PROPERTY.
IT ONLY AFFECTS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
SO, UM, IT DOESN'T HARM IT TO BE IN, BUT IF THE BOARD SAW FIT TO DRAW AN AREA AROUND IT AND TAKE IT OUT, I DON'T GUESS THAT WOULD POSE ANY PROBLEMS EITHER.
WELL, SAY THAT GOES MY OPINION, WITHOUT QUESTION,
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WE'RE GOING TO BELIEVE IN THIS PIECE OF PAPER, WE ALL FOUND IT ON.I BELIEVE IF WE GO ON INCEST ON SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE IS INSISTING ON THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY.
SO I WOULD FEEL LIKE THE DIFFERENCE.
ALL YOU HAD TO DO IS SHARPEN YOUR PENCIL AND NOBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CARES.
WHAT WOULD THAT ENTAIL? IF, IF WE DECIDED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE, COULD WE MAKE IT IN THE PAPERWORK BEFORE US TONIGHT AND APPROVE IT TONIGHT? WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THIS, THIS OVERLAY OF REDISTRICTING ONLY APPLIES TO RESIDENTS.
THE CHURCH IS NOT A RESIDENCE AND IT'S NOT FAIR IF IT'S IN AGAIN, A SUBDIVISION IT'S LIMITED.
IN FACT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A LIE I WAS GETTING RID OF THE LAB MIGHT GET REAL MY PLATE HERE.
WELL, I'VE NEVER MADE A DIFFERENCE, BUT ALSO PUT AN OPTION FOR, TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE AREA SIMPLY BECAUSE I KNEW IT WASN'T GOING TO AFFECT YOUR CHURCH.
THERE IS NO REVERSING THAT CAN RESULT FROM THIS.
THE SEPARATISM ARGUMENT, THE CHURCH IS STILL GOVERNED BY MUNICIPAL ZONING LAW.
HE THOUGHT, OR WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE CHURCH, THEY ARE STILL SUCH SUBJECTED TO WHATEVER ZONING LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THAT, ON THAT PROPERTY LOCATION THAT DOESN'T EXCLUDE THEM.
IS THAT RIGHT? HE SAYS THERE ON THE CHALLENGE, I SAID, THAT MAY BE TODAY.
WELL, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO THAT'D BE AFFECTED BY THIS, IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
I THINK THE HOME OWNERS WANT IT TO BE FAIR.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TREAT THE CHURCH.
UH, AND THE CREIGHTON'S ON EQUALLY.
WELL, DOES ANYBODY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO SPEAK AGAINST EXCLUDED THE CHURCH AND ISAIAH OPPORTUNITIES? YEAH.
YOU NEED TO COME UP AND DO IT, RIGHT.
I'M STANDING UP DON'T I LIVE IN THAT BLOCK AND I'M MAYBE WRONG, BUT, UH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE CHORES, BUT DOES THE CHURCH OWN TWO RESIDENCES ON SPENCER AVENUE AND NO ONE, WOULD THAT BE TORN DOWN AND REPLACED BY A PARKING LOT? OR WOULD THAT BE PROTECTED IN ANY WAY? THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.
WHAT IS IT WHO LIVES IN THE PAST? WELL, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING ELIMINATING THE RESIDENTS, JUST THE CHURCH PROPERTY, THE CHURCH RESIDENCES ON ALL OF THE STAFF THAT IT WOULD NOT BE EXCLUDED FROM.
NO, IT WAS CALLED BY THE CHURCH.
IT'S HER RESIDENCE IT'S USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES AND WOULD NOT BE EXCLUDED, UH, USE.
YEAH, WE'RE PROBABLY WE'RE SEEING HIM, BUT THAT'S THE VERY THING THAT AS A DEAR MAN BROUGHT UP, THERE'S ALWAYS POTENTIALS FOR PROBLEMS THAT COME UP.
IT GOES INTO THE NOTHING IS PERFECT CATEGORY.
I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING RESULTING FROM THE TRICK CONCLUSION BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE DRILLING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO REGULATE.
THIS IS A CHURCH IT'S NOT A, WE WERE TOLD IN THE FIRST MEETINGS OF THIS, UH, SOME OF THE FIRST MEETINGS THAT I ATTENDED AND PLANNING THAT THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY SUPERSEDES ALL OTHER ZONING REGULATIONS, BUT THE CHURCH IS NOT THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT COME WITHIN THE REGULATIONS.
AND ALL YOU GOT TO DO WITH ANYBODY HERE ALSO IS AN OPPOSITION TO THE OVERLAY.
BUT AGAIN, NOT THE CHURCH, ANYBODY IN OPPOSITION TO THEM.
UH, IF YOU WERE TO PUT THAT LINE ON PARK AVENUE, I COULD GO HOME TO
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GO AROUND MINE.I'LL PAY UH, I AM HERE, UH, REPRESENTING THE, UH, OWNERS OF WHAT YOU'RE CALLING THE CREIGHTON TRACK.
UH, THAT IS THOSE OWNERS ARE MY MOTHER, MRS. CREIGHTON.
I'M MRS. WILLIAMS OF THE GEORGE ALLEN FAMILY AND SITTING THERE AT CHURCH.
WHO ARE YOU, RYAN? YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME.
SHE WANTS TO KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AGAIN, AREA ARE CONCERNED THAT THE WAY THIS PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WOULD VIRTUALLY AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES.
THEREFORE THEY WANT ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS PLACED ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS I REPRESENT ARE CONCERNED THAT ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS PLACED ON THIS ACREAGE WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES.
THEREFORE, THEY WON'T NO ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS PLACED ON THIS PROPERTY.
WE ALL KNOW NOT MANY OF US GET EVERYTHING WE WANT.
THE REAL WORLD INVOLVES A LITTLE GIVE AND TAKE.
THE RESULT OF THIS IS WHAT IS USUALLY A FAIR AND EQUITABLE SOLUTION TO MOST PROBLEMS FOR ALL INVOLVED.
YOUR PLANNING BOARD HAS PROPOSED TO YOU JUST SUCH A SOLUTION.
THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS, BE PLACED ON A 200 FOOT DEEP PIECE OF THIS PROPERTY ALONG PARK AVENUE.
THEIR RECOMMENDATION DOES NOT GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE GHENT AREA, EVERYTHING THEY WANT, NOR DOES IT GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THIS ACREAGE, EVERYTHING THEY WANT, HOWEVER YOU'RE PLANNING, BUT WHAT HAS TO BE RECOMMENDED FOR IT IS TO BE COMMENDED FOR RECOMMENDING TO YOU SOMETHING THAT IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE FOR ALL CONCERNED, WE THEREFORE ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT AGAIN, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT INCLUDES A 200 FOOT DEEP STRIP OF OUR ACREAGE ALONG PARK AVENUE.
I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT BASICALLY THAT'S OUR POSITION.
ANYBODY ELSE AGAINST IT? AND YOU SAYING THESE FOUR? WELL HE'S I THOUGHT HE SAID HE BEFORE, BUT
I GUESS SIMON YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, OR MY NAME IS DONNA SIMON, 1801 SPENCER AVENUE.
I'M PRESIDENT OF THE GANTT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND TONIGHT HERE, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, UM, FOR THE OVERLAY ZONE VOTING, UH, WE ARE IN FAVOR OF OPTION.
NUMBER FOUR, WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
AND WE WANT TO INCLUDE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT JUST PARTS OF THAT.
WE ARE A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WANT TO KEEP THE CHARACTERIZATION AS IT IS TODAY.
UM, AND WE HOPE WE CAN COUNT ON YOUR VOTE TONIGHT.
AND I'D LIKE TO EVERYBODY THAT IS FOR OPTION NUMBER FOUR, TO RAISE THEIR HANDS AGAIN.
SO WE HOPE YOU WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT IS THE IMPACT OR EFFECT TO YOU WHEN YOU TRY TO DO, WHAT IS IT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT OUR PROPERTY VALUES FOR ONE THING, WE'RE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE'RE AFRAID IF YOU BRING IN SLAB HOUSES THAT IS GOING TO TAKE DOWN FROM OUR PROPERTY VALUES, UM, ALSO THE CHARACTERISTIC AND THE CHARM OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT WOULD DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
NO, BECAUSE YOU CAN, YOU CAN STILL SEE ACROSS, YOU KNOW, HE COULD STILL, YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BARRIER THEY'RE INTERESTED IN PUTTING UP 200 FOOT, BUT IS IT TREES OR NOT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S ABOUT A HUNDRED FOOT THAT IS WITHOUT TREES.
SO THEREFORE I DON'T FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE ANY BARRIER TO US.
LET ME ASK THE MOST OF CRAIG, HOW MANY FEET DO YOU HAVE TO TRY TO PRESERVE WELL, WHAT, HOW MANY ACRES IS IT? 250.
IF I CAN'T GET OUT WITH ARGUES, I CAN'T PUT IT IN.
SHE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A BARRIER.
WOULD YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR PROPERTY'S EXACTLY LAID OUT.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE IT 200 FEET AND THE BARRIER
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TO A, UH, WELL, I WOULD QUESTION MIKE, IF WE PAY US THIS NUMBER FOUR OPTIONS TONIGHT, WHAT WOULD YOU MAKE POSSIBLE? IF SOMEHOW I MUST'VE CREIGHTON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COME TO SOME AGREEMENT LATER ABOUT THE 200 FEET AND A BARRIER, WHATEVER FOR THEM TO COME BACK AND ASK US TO MODIFY GIVEN RELEASE.BUT THE THING IS WE WANT OPTION NUMBER FOUR, TO INCLUDE THE WHOLE LAND, BECAUSE I'M GOING BACK TO OUR PROPERTY VALUE.
SO IF YOU STICK SLAB HOUSES BACK THERE, THEY'RE STILL APPROACHING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF WE PASS IT'S PAST AS IT IS, BUT IF YOU ALL WORK OUT SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD BETWEEN YOURSELVES AND COME BACK TO US, THEN I'M JUST ASKING THEM A COUPLE OF CHANGED.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE ALL ON YOU.
AND HE CAME BACK AND SAID, HEY, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT WE WORKED IT OUT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS LONG AS ALL PARTIES, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS ALL PARTIES ARE IN AGREEMENT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING OPEN TO CONSIDERATION, I WANT THE GREEN SHIRT, BUT IT'S LIKE, HE WANTS TO REAL QUICKLY WANT TO CLARIFY ONE MORE POINT.
WE FIRST, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE REMEMBERS HOW WE CAME TO THIS POINT, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC COMING INTO OUR AREA.
WHEN THAT TRACK WAS DEVELOPED, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND I THINK YOU WERE PRESENT AT ONE, WHEN WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, JUST LAST FRIDAY, WE HAD THREE VEHICLES, SITES, WHITE, AND I LIVE ON SPENCER.
SO THAT PROBLEM HAS NOT BEEN ALLEVIATED TO ANY GREAT DEGREE.
ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT THE POLICE HAVE TRIED TO HELP US, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
WE CAME TO THE FIRST MEETING AND MR. CREIGHTON SAID THAT WE WERE TRYING TO PUT REGULATIONS ON HIM THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ON OURSELVES.
WE'LL PUT THEM ON OURSELVES TOO.
NOW HE'S TRYING TO CHANGE THAT.
AND WE'RE ALSO NOT RESTRICTING HIS RIGHTS COMPLETELY.
WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY HIS RIGHTS.
WE'RE JUST SAYING IT IS A COMPROMISE.
WE'RE JUST SAYING WE WANT YOU TO BUILD WITHIN CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK BEFORE? AND WE CAN ENTERTAIN TWO OR THREE MORE, BUT IF IT'S, I'LL BE QUICK, I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAY, I'M MARGARET STEVEN FROM 1505 SPENCER AVENUE.
AND I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS ONE THING THAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT FREEDOM OF RIGHTS AND RESTRICTIONS.
WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR SOME, SOME GUIDELINES, THE OVERLAY DISTRICT WILL BE ASKING FOR SOME THAT BUILDERS WILL FOLLOW SO THAT OUR VALUE WILL STAY UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO WE CAN PRESERVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH THERE ARE ONLY THREE IN NEW BERN AND WE ARE ONE OF THEM.
I THINK THAT MOST NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY NEW ONES HAVE SOME KIND OF COVENANTS.
THEY HAVE RULES, THEY HAVE REGULATIONS.
YOU CAN'T PARK BOATS IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, A LOT OF PLACES WHERE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE LIVE HAVE, HAVE SOME REGULATIONS AND THEY ARE THERE TO HELP YOUR, THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY.
THEY'RE NOT THERE TO HARM YOU.
AND I'M A HARDWORKING STAY AT HOME MOTHER AND MY HUSBAND IS WORKING HARD AND WE'RE HARD WORKING AMERICANS.
AND WE DO BELIEVE IN FREEDOM AND WE BELIEVE IN TAKING CARE OF OUR PROPERTY AND WHAT WE WORK HARD FOR.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HERE PUTTING ON A BUNCH OF RESTRICTIONS.
IT'S A VERY MINOR, UH, BUT, BUT VERY ESSENTIAL GROUP OF GUIDELINES THAT WILL HELP PRESERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE HISTORIC VALUE OF NEWBORN, EVERYONE KNOWS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE INTO THIS TOWN.
SO, UM, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN PASS NUMBER FOUR TONIGHT.
THANKS EVERYBODY ELSE REAL QUICK.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THE, UH, THE BUFFER AND THESE ARE ISSUES THAT THE PLANNING BOARD DID LOOK AT.
AND, UH, AND THE PLANNING BOARD IN LOOKING AT THAT
IN ALL THE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS TO OUR ENTIRE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WE DO FEEL LIKE THESE REGULATIONS WILL DEVALUE OUR PROPERTY.
IF IT'S PLACED ON THE ENTIRE PIECE YOU BEEN IN KARST.
MY NAME IS ED
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORIES, UH, BECAUSE THERE IS PROPERTY THAT ADJOINS MINE ON PARK AVENUE THAT WAS BUILT NOT THAT LONG AGO, UH, THAT HAS CREATED A FLOODING PROBLEM.
EVERY TIME WE HAVE A HARD RAIN AND,
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UH, 12 OR MORE INCHES OF WATER SIT IN THAT AREA.UH, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING I SHOWED VIDEO AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OUT TO LOOK AT IT.
THE, MY ONLY POINT IS, UH, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THROUGH UNSCRUPULOUS AND INDISCRIMINATE BUILDING PRACTICES, BY SOME SUBCONTRACTORS WHO FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE, UH, THEY CREATED PROBLEMS. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MORE OF THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT I WILL NOT NAME PERSONALLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK MY PIECE BECAUSE WE ALREADY ALREADY HAVE A GLARING EXAMPLE OF, UH, WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN BUILDING CODES ARE NOT FOLLOWED, SETBACKS ARE NOT FOLLOWED TO THE LETTER OF THE CODE AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ARE NOT CONSIDERED.
STEVE HAD AN OFF THE 1506 SPENCER.
WE FOUGHT AS SAYING I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALMOST 10 YEARS.
AND I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT THIS HAS COME UP THIS TIME.
WE'RE TRYING TO HANDLE IT IN AN OVERLAY MANNER INSTEAD OF FIGHTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN THE PAST.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COME TO.
IF THIS IS AN APPROVED, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY OR REZONE THEIR PROPERTY COMMERCIAL AND SELL IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THERE'S MORE MONEY IN IT.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM LOSE ANY MONEY, BUT I DON'T WANT HIM TO MAKE ANY MONEY AT MY EXPENSE EITHER.
WE WANT TO PROTECT IT THE WAY IT IS.
IT IS ONE OF THE FEW HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THREE HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THIS CITY.
NOT TOO MANY CITIES CAN SAY THAT.
AND WE JUST WANT TO PRESERVE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT ANY WORSE COMMENT OR ASKING A QUESTION.
MOST OF THE QUOTES ALL IN FAVOR.
SAY, I, I DON'T, I CAN'T SEE THIS LITTLE, SORRY.
I DIDN'T GET IN FRONT OF JULIUS.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS ONE MORE SHOW OF HANDS OF THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA THAT WANT, UH, UH, ONE OPTION.
COULD YOU PLEASE SHOW ME YOUR HANDS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.
NO FIRE HOLING UP TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ONE.
HE HAD ONE HAND MR. MAYOR, UH, AL WOULD WE NEED TO DRAW AN ORDINANCE OR IS THE ORDINANCE ALREADY PREPARED?
UH, THEN I WOULD MOVE THAT, UH, THE ORDINANCE ITEM NUMBER, UH, PLAN NUMBER FOUR, DESIGN NUMBER FOUR, BE ADOPTED WITH THE EXCLUSION OF THE CHURCH SANCTUARY PROPERTY EXPLICIT.
WELL, JUST ONE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY SANCTUARY, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE RESIDENTS, RESIDENTS WOULD NOT BE EXCLUDED, BUT THE CHURCH WASN'T OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
WELL, I GUESS I HAVE SOME MONEY.
I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS, BUT TO EXCLUDE ALL PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE PROHIBITION OF ORNAMENTAL LAW OF STEEL RAIL RAILINGS.
AND THE REASON IS THAT, UH, NO GET EVOLVED FROM THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS INTO THE 1960S AND SEVENTIES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROHIBITION OF ORNAMENTAL METAL SUPPORTS THE MANY HOUSES, PARTICULARLY IN THE 18 TO 1900 BLOCK.
THEY HAVE THOSE ORNAMENTAL RAILINGS AND THEY WERE NOT AESTHETICALLY UNPLEASANT, BUT I DON'T MIND EXCLUDING THE CHURCH PROFIT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE CRAVINGS, BUT IT REALLY HAS NO CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY IT ANYWAY.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH THAT POINT, BUT I NEED TO HAVE THE, UH, PROVISION.
ALL THE PROVISIONS IN THIS, UH, OVERLAY ARE RELATED TO THE PROHIBITION OF ORNAMENTAL.
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PROBLEM WITHUH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF, UH, ALDERMAN RAINER WOULD CONSIDER, INSTEAD OF TOTALLY DELETING THOSE, JUST PUT IN A PROVISION INSTEAD OF SHALL NOT, SHOULD NOT BE.
AND THAT PUTS PEOPLE ON NOTICE THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE, BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT, THAT'S OKAY.
IT'S NOT AN OUT AND OUT PROHIBITION.
IN FACT, I AGREE WITH YOU TO DO THAT, EXCEPT THERE ARE EXPLICIT PROVISIONS AND SEVERAL SEC SECTIONS THAT THAT SAVED SUBSECTION SIX ON NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, AUTO MILL, ONCE A MENTAL METAL RAILINGS ARE PROHIBITED, THERE ARE A, AND ANOTHER PROVISION.
IT SAYS ALTERATIONS TO EXISTING RATHER THAN DISCUSSING MENDELSOHN SUPPORTS AND RELEVANCE ARE PROHIBITED.
YEAH, THERE ARE FIVE SECTIONS AND EACH ONE OF THOSE CAN BE CHANGED VERY SIMPLY.
INSTEAD OF SAYING, MAY NOT BE REPLACED, SHOULD NOT BE REPLACED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT MEAN THAT PROVISION WOULD NOT BE ENFORCED, BUT IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? FOR THE ALEX SAID THAT ANYBODY GOT A PROBLEM.
I HAVE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
THAT'S MY STUFF TO MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE WITH WHAT I STATED AS AN AMENDMENT THAT IT SHALL BE, AND IT WON'T BE AS FORCED, BUT IT'S
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, YES, YES, YES.
EVERYBODY WHO CAN GO HOME AND WATCH THE BALL GAME OR WHATEVER.
WELL, COME ON BACK INTO SESSION HERE AND WE'LL DO COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING BETWEEN NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER RESIGNING 2 0 1 BEACH STREET FROM AD TO INDUSTRIAL.
THERE ARE SIX RESIDENTIAL WANTS TO EXPLAIN THAT.
MAY I BAYLISS AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ARE THE REZONING REQUESTS BY MR. PAUL HEATH AND WIFE, TO REZONE A 50 BY 150 FOOT LOT LOCATED IN THE IOWAN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S BASICALLY RESIDENTIAL IN THE PAST.
IT WAS A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, BUT IT HAS PRESENTLY INVOLVED TO A THAT'S BASICALLY HOMOGENEOUSLY RESIDENTIAL.
AND HE'S REQUESTING THAT A LOT.
BE REZONED FROM MY ONE TO OUR SIX RESIDENTIAL, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MET AT ITS REGULAR MEETING, UH, ON MARCH 3RD AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND THAT THE REZONING BE APPROVED.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM.
I WAS GONNA ASK THAT YOU ASK IF ANYONE IS AGAINST IT, I WAS, IS AT THE ZONING BOARD MEETING.
THERE WAS NO ONE THAT SPOKE AGAINST IT.
SO, UM, BUT THEN I SEE THERE'S SOMEBODY BACK THERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO AGAINST THIS, SIR.
UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I NOTICED THE PROPERTY ON, UH, BEAT STREET AND HARBOR DRIVE.
AND AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A TACKLE SHOP AND OLD WORM BUILDING THAT WAS FALLING DOWN AND HAD A TAR PAPER ON IT.
THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL, UH, SYCAMORE TREES IN THIS AREA.
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UH, BRIDGESTON, UH, APPROACHES THE PROPERTY, UH, CLEANED THE PROPERTY UP.UM, AND IN FACT, I'M BUILDING MY HOME ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S A COUPLE MORE LOTS THAT PEOPLE COULD BUILD ON THE RIVER WITH THE VIEW OF BRIDGESTON.
UM, I'M NOT AGAINST, UH, MOBILE HOMES.
I THINK THERE ARE PLACES IN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY FOR MORE MULTIPLE HOMES, BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION, UH, IN AN AREA THAT'S BEING BEAUTIFIED.
AND, UH, WE'LL ADD, UH, ADD TO THE VALUE OF THE CITY.
AND MR. HEATH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT? HE WAS AGAINST THE MOBILE HOME LONG ENOUGH.
WELL, I'VE BEEN LIVING ON 200 BEACH STREETS SINCE 1947, AND I'VE SEEN BUSINESSES COME IN THAT AREA AND, UH, WHICH WAS VERY NOISY AND I'M 74 YEARS OLD.
I DOUBT IF I LEAVE MORE YEARS.
SO SOMEDAY SOMEBODY ELSE WILL BE ON A, THAT PROPERTY.
AND DUE TO THE FACT THAT I'VE HAD TO PUT UP THE NOISE AND THE RESTRICTIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, UH, FOR THE BUILDING, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT OCCUPY THOSE, UH, WORKING AREAS.
I WANT TO GET IT CHANGED FROM, UH, TO RESIDENTIAL.
I WILL HAVE 70, INCLUDING MINE.
THAT CIRCLE IS ONE BLOCK, WHICH IS A 2 0 1 BEACH STREET, WHICH I OWN I, ME AND MY WIFE, AND TO TYPES PAY THE TAXES.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID.
I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND ALL THESE, ALL THAT HE SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S OBJECTING TO THE REZONING, THE PROPERTY.
HE WAS CONCERNED THAT MOBILE HOMES COULD BE PUT THERE THAT MOBILE HOMES WILL BE, UH, THERE WILL BE ONE PUT ON THE BACK OF THE LOCK, BUT, BUT, UH, IT'S ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE LOT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW ANY OTHER STRUCTURE AROUND AND INSIDE.
THERE'S ALREADY TRAILERS THERE TO START WITH.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING, BECAUSE SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE ONENESS.
UM, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
THE MILES WE'LL DO THE SOUTHERN GEARING TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER ANNEXATION OF 52 ACRES.
WILLIAM'S BROTHER
EXPLAIN THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OPPOSITION.
I'M SURE YOU LIVE ON THE 52 AGENTS.
NO, AND NOBODY ELSE CAN LIVE ON IT.
I SAY WHERE YOU PAID $33,000 FOR IT GOING TO THE PAPER FOR MARSH LAND.
NOW I WANT TO STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
I LIVE ON 900 HOWELL ROAD FOR 76 YEARS, ALMOST AS LONG AS ATTORNEY WARD THERE.
ANYWAY, YOU PROMISE US VERY FAITHFULLY.
AND I SMELL A RAT HERE THAT YOU WERE NOT INTERESTED IN ANNEX IN ANYTHING IN NUMBER SEVEN TOWNSHIP.
YOU TOLD US THAT IT BUNCHED IN SCHOOL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND WE WEREN'T INTERESTED IN IT AT THE TIME WE WERE ASKING FOR AN ANNEX BURNER.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT ALL THE TALKS AND CONTROVERSY WAS ABOUT.
WE WERE BEING ASKED AT THE VERY TIME WE WERE BEING TOLD BY THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WE WERE ABOUT TO FORCE THE LEANNE IT SO, YOU KNOW, WRONG.
SO TELL US THE REST OF THEM IN SO MANY WAYS AND THIS AND THAT UNTIL WE GET TO THE, I DON'T KNOW, GO AHEAD.
MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION, BE MY GUEST.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF BUYING THIS WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY FOR THAT
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PIECE OF MARSHLAND? YOU PAY TAXES TO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH? NO, I DO NOT SEE THAT'S THE KIND OF THING.SO WE'RE NOT WASTING YOUR MONEY.
I DIDN'T SAY YOU'RE WASTING MY MONEY.
WHAT'D YOU? WHAT'D YOU WHAT'D YOU TAKE YOUR MONEY AND BUY IT.
LET ME TELL YOU WHY IT'S BEING DONE.
PLEASE DO WHY OUR HOUSE REQUESTED THE CITY AND NEXT THE AREA, WHICH IS BECOME THE BURNER.
IT'S OVER A THOUSAND ACRES THAT THEY HAD DEVELOPING FIRST-CLASS RESIDENCES.
A GOLFING WEYERHAEUSER HAS REQUESTED THE CITY TO CONSIDER ENLARGING THE AREA THAT IS THE BURNER BY SUN AT 2,700 ACRES.
ON THE FAR SIDE OF IT, THE QUESTION WAS RAISED.
IN FACT, THE COUNTY THREATENED TO BRING THE SUIT.
IF THE CITY DID IT, THE SATELLITE ANNEXATION STATUTE DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT EXACT SITUATION.
ALTHOUGH I HAD ADVISED THE CITY THAT IT WAS PROBABLY AS BROAD ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE ANNEXATION, BECAUSE IT WAS AN ADDITION TO A SATELLITE ANNEXATION, AS YOU PROBABLY WILL RECALL, THE CITY GAVE UP VOLUNTARILY ITS RIGHT TO END VOLUNTARILY AN EX ANYTHING.
AND NUMBER SEVEN TOWNSHIP, IT RETAINED ITS RIGHT TO AN EX ANY PROPERTY WHERE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY PETITION THE CITY TO A NECK THAT STACK OF SATELLITE ANNEXATION STATUTE PERMITS THE CITY TO THE NEXT ALL THE WAY TO HAVE LOCKS.
IT DOESN'T PERMIT THE ANNEXATION THAT PARK PERMITS THE ANNEXATION OF ANY PROPERTY.
THE NEAREST PART OF WHICH IS WITHIN THREE MILES OF THE PRIMARY CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY FROM MS. MARGARET WILLIAMS ELIMINATES ANY QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE CITY MAY HAVE SATELLITE OR NEXT TO THE 2,700 ACRES AT WAREHOUSE, BUT MOST TO ADD TO THE BURNER BECAUSE IT MOVES THE PRIMARY CORPORATE LIMITS WITH THE CITY OVER TO HIS COMPANY, THAT PROPERTY, WHICH IS WITHIN THREE MILES, UH, WHICH WOULD PERMIT TO SAY TO THE NEXT, THE ADDITION TO THE BURNER, WHETHER THE BURNER WAS THERE OR NOT.
SO THIS IS A MATTER OF ENABLING THE CITY AND THE SERVE PROPERTY IS OVER IN NUMBER SEVEN TIMES YET.
THAT WANTS TO BE A PART OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
LET ME, LET ME STAY TO MY MOTHER.
WELL, YOU ANDERSON SAVING TAXPAYERS MONEY.
THERE'S A LITTLE ODDITY HERE AND THAT IS IT.
THOSE RESONANCES OF THE CITY, NAMELY US ALSO RESIDENCY WITH COUNTY.
WE DO PAY TAXES WHERE YOU DON'T.
WE WILL, WE WERE INTERESTED IN SPENDING $33,000 OF OUR MONEY TO KEEP SOMEBODY WHO HAD A STRANGE FOLLY OF WASTING A WHOLE PILE, YOUR MONEY IN SUING US OVER SOMETHING THAT WASN'T GOING TO STAY IN ANY WAY.
AND ALL OF OUR LEGAL OPINIONS THAT WE GOT EVERYBODY ELSE WHEN THEY SAID, AND YOU READ IT IN THE PAPER, IT WAS GOING TO BE A THREAT OF CERTAIN COMMISSIONER ASSOCIATED.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE WAS LIKE 350,000 SPENT ONCE BEFORE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY ON BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WHICH THE CITY ENDED UP HAVING ONE IT HAD TO START WITH.
SO MR. LAMB HAD A HOUSE, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE TAXES.
WE'VE SAVED YOU A BUNDLE AND I'M WAITING FOR YOU TO THANK WELL.
I WANT TO BRING UP SOMETHING ELSE.
ACCORDING TO THE, ACCORDING TO THE STATUTES, THE GENERAL STATUES OF NORTH CAROLINA, YOU CANNOT ANNEX A PROPERTY UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY LIVING ON IT.
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT HERE.
AND YOU MUST FINISH FIRE PROTECTION FOR IT AND WATER IT.
HE MUST BE LOOKING AT THE STATUTES THAT READ AND VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION WHERE THE CITY CAN GO OUT AND TAKE IN PROPERTY WITH YOU JOINING THE CITY, WHICH HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR URBAN FORESTS.
THAT QUESTION DOESN'T EXIST HERE.
THIS IS AN ACTIVATION WHICH WAS INITIATED BY THE CITY, ADOPTING A RESOLUTION AS PERMITTED UNDER THE STATUTE FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
IF I WAS A SHORTER FIRE IN YOUR BACK YARD, WHEN YOU SMELL A FIRE, YOU DON'T HAVE, LET ME, LET ME MAKE THE RECORD REAL CLEAR.
SO I DIDN'T DECIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY.
IF YOU REPEAT SOMETHING FOUR OR FIVE TIMES,
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IT BECOMES THE TRUTH.AND THEN WHATEVER STAYED AT ONE MORE TIME.
ONCE UPON A TIME, CERTAIN PEOPLE IN TOWNSHIP SEVEN AND I HEARD IT WITH MY OWN EARS, SAID THE CITY OF NEW HAVEN HAD IT ON THE DRAWING BOARD AND WAS EMINENTLY GOING TO PULL IT FROM THE ANNEX TOWNSHIP.
SO I HADN'T BEEN THE MAYOR A COUPLE, THREE MONTHS AND I SEARCHED AND I TALKED AND I LOOKED AND NOBODY KNEW WHAT ANYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT.
IN FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCORPORATE OVER THERE, BE CALLED THE CITY OF NEW ENGLAND WAS FIXING TO TAKE HIM IN.
AND TO PROVE THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO FORCEFUL AN EDGY, I ASKED AND GOT THE BOARD TO AGREE.
AND THEY AGREED TO ASK FOR LEGISLATION SO THAT WE COULD NOT FORCE THEM TO TAKE IT ALL.
IS THAT A PROMISE?
SO NOW WHEN THE PEOPLE WANT TO COME IN AND THEN SOME PEOPLE STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WANT IT THEIR WAY IS WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO.
AND I JUST DON'T REALLY, IF IT DON'T AFFECT YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK WE ALL WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE ALL COMING FROM AND BE AGREEABLE TO IT AND MOVE ON TO SOMETHING, MAN.
WELL, I'M IN SPEAKING TO HIM BEHALF OF MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OVER THERE AND WE THINK THE WORLD OF HUMAN, BUT WE'D LIKE A LITTLE, LIKE A DOUBLE STANDARD OF RULES AND REGULATION.
I PROMISE YOU IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE CITY OF NEWARK, YOU WON'T BE IN, IS THAT A PROMISE?
BELLA HEARING SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK IF I'VE WRITTEN ANYBODY.
WELL, IF YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SAVED SOME TIME, WE APPRECIATE IT.
UH, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID A WHILE AGO ABOUT WAREHOUSER WARRANTED TO YOU TO TAKE OVER TO BURMA.
WHO SAID THAT? HELLO? MR. WARD, TO BARNA THE PEOPLE UP TO BURNER.
DIDN'T ASK TO BE OUT NEXT TO PEOPLE UP TO BARNA.
DIDN'T ASK TO BE ANNEXED, TO BE PART OF THE CITY A LOT.
SO WE'RE THERE KNOWING IT IN THE SHIT.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE ROUNDHOUSE OR THE DEVELOPER IS THE ONE THAT WANTED IT TO BE, TO SIT A PROPERTY OWNER.
THAT'S WHERE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE SHIT.
OH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS A DEVELOPER, ALL RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT I'M SAYING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVES AT THE BURN NOW DID NOT ASK TO BE IN IT.
THEY KNEW IT WOULD BE IT THAT THEY WERE IN NEXT BEFORE THEY BOUGHT A PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING OUT THE POINT THAT IT WAS THE DEVELOPER THAT WARRANTED THAT LAND, THAT
IT WAS, HE WAS IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
I GUESS WAREHOUSE IS SELLING POINTS IS THAT IT BELONGS TO THE CITY BRACELET.
SO THOSE THAT WENT SLEDDING AND LOTS OF PAID FOR THE, OF WATER FROM THE CITY.
AND HE'S NOT COMING UP TONIGHT.
I GOT A PHONE CALL ABOUT THE SAME SUBJECT LINE MR. BAYLESS WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND I COME UP HERE ALREADY AT FIRED UP AND I JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE AND SAY, HELLO.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL ROLL.
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER 1999 CDBG APPLICANTS.
DON'T WAIT SO LONG BETWEEN HE FELT IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE THE LAST ELECTION.
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THE PURPOSE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS THE FIRST OF TWO THAT'S REQUIRED.IF THE CITY IS GOING TO CHOOSE TO APPLY FOR CDBG FUNDS AND THIS THE 1900 A YEAR CYCLE, UM, REASON WE'RE HERE FIRST IS TO SOLICIT INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC ON WHAT THEY FEEL SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR A GRANT APPLICATION.
AND THEN TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT.
AS WE TRY TO PREPARE IT, THE APPLICATIONS ARE DUE SEPTEMBER.
THE FIRST WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AT WHICH TIME WE'LL PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND TO THE PUBLIC.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO SUBMIT.
WE ANTICIPATE, ALTHOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED YET THAT THE GRANTS WILL BE ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT THAT THEY WERE 1997 AND $750,000.
IF YOU GO FOR A CONCENTRATED NEED APPLICATION, THEY ARE VERY COMPETITIVE.
WE WILL NEED TO PUT MATCH MONEY INTO IT JUST AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST, BASICALLY SUMMARY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT CDBG IS A FEDERAL GRANT ADMINISTERED BY THE STATE IS INTENDED TO IMPROVE NEIGHBORHOODS BY DOING HOUSING IMPROVEMENTS.
AND BY ALSO PUTTING IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER AS THE PROJECT HAS TO GO TO LOW, TO MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES.
THE CITY'S PARTICIPATED IN THE PROGRAM SINCE THE MID EIGHTIES AND THEN VERY ACTIVELY IN THE 1990S TO KIND OF HELP PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE WHICH I CANNOT SEE BASICALLY WHAT IT SHOWS IS IN THE AREA OF
UM, THEN IN 1985, THEY DIDN'T WANT AROUND, UM, YOU BANK STREET, UH, BLOOMS ALLEY, AND THEN OVER TO GREEN.
AND THEN IT WAS NOT FUNDED AGAIN UNTIL 1991, WHEN THE WENT ON GREEN SCREEN, UM,
ALSO DURING THAT TIME, WE DID SOME WORK IN PEMBRO, UH, PRIMARILY TO COUNT INVESTIGATING AS PART OF THE ADDITIONAL PROGRAM.
AND THEN IN 1995 THROUGH A ILLIQUID AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTER WORK, WE ALSO DID ANOTHER PROGRAM IN THE BACK THERE OF HEMLIBRA IS ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT DURING THE EIGHTIES, THE COUNTY DID SOME OTHER CDBG PROJECTS THAT AREN'T SHOWING UP HERE AND THE FRONT PART OF PEMBROKE.
UM, AND THE ONE THING THAT WE'RE NOT SHOWING ON THIS MAP AND OF COURSE OF THE
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW IS TO SEE THE STATE HAS GIVEN US A CDBG APPLICATION, WHICH WE'LL BE GOING IN UP HERE ALONG K STREET, S3 FOUR WILL REQUIRE.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY MY COMMENTS.
IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO CAMERA THING AND MAKE A COMMENT YOU ARE FREE TO DO.
SO DOES ANYBODY HERE EXCITED TO CDBG GRANTS RAISE YOUR HAND? I THINK THAT WHEN, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONCE BEFORE YOU HAD NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC HEARINGS ABOUT THE NEEDS FOR CDBG MONIES, THAT IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE BENEFICIAL.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE JUST PUBLICIZED THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT UP HERE, UNLESS PEOPLE ARE MOTIVATED UNLESS THEY'RE MADE AWARE OTHER THAN BY THE NEWSPAPER, THEN THEY DON'T USE IT TO RESPOND.
NOW I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WITH A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY AND GO INTO PLEASANT HILL BACK TO DUFFY FIELD.
YOU KNOW, SO, SO WE, WE, WE WANT TO PULL IT BACK OFF OF WHERE YOU'VE BEEN SPENDING IT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS AND TAKE SOME OVER AND OVER THERE INTO PLEASANT HILL AND INTO BACK OVER INTO DUFFY FIELD.
OUR NEEDS ARE SO GREAT IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MAY BE OVER IN WOODROW, BUT I REALIZED THAT WE JUST GOT A LOT OF MONEY FOR, FOR THE FLOODING SITUATIONS FOR WOODROW AND DUFFY FIELD.
BUT FOR THE REHAB OF HOME SAYS SUCH A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE.
IT SEEMED LIKE WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL APPROACHES TO THE SITUATION AND SEE IF, IF, IF THIS CONCENTRATED NEIGHBORHOOD THING IS EFFECTIVE, IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GO BY NEED KIND OF THING.
CAUSE THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE FOR INSTANCE, UM, IN PLEASANT HILL, THERE'S A LADY WHO LIVES IN A HOUSE AND SHE'S SO PATIENT AND YOU KNOW, SHE PUT HER NAME DOWN SOMEPLACE ALL THE TIME AND SHE WAS JUST WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING.
BUT THE GRANT MONIES HAVE BEEN SPENT IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD.
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HELPED.AND THE ROOF IS FALLING IN WELL, YOU KNOW, OVER IN DUFFY FIELD, THERE'S A LADY WHO'S BEEN ON THE LIST FOR EVER AND EVER AND EVER AND EVER.
AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WORKING ON HER STREET AND THE NEED IS AN ADDRESS.
AND I'M JUST THINKING IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE COULD TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT THE NEED FOR THE REHAB OF HOMES AND THAT NECESSARILY THE NEIGHBOR, THE STREET OR THE AREA, YOU KNOW? OH, I AGREE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK SOMETIMES WE PROBABLY NEED TO FIGURE A WAY TO, UH, FIND ADDITIONAL MONEY TO ADD TO WHAT A GRANT IS GOING TO DO BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WE CAN SEE IT ON OTHER STREETS.
WE'VE DONE, WE'VE GONE IN, WE REMODELED THE HOME, WE'VE MADE IT HOME NICE, BUT WE DIDN'T DO ANY TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE STREET TO ANYTHING, TO PROTECT THE HOME.
AND WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS THE HOLES WERE REMODELED, BUT THERE'S NO CURBING.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THE DIRT FILLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE LAST WEEK EVENTUALLY ENDS UP IN THE YARD.
PEOPLE ARE PARKING THE CAR, THE DOORS, AND YOU KNOW, SANDY SAYING THE STREETS ARE SO SMALL THAT IT CREATES A PROBLEM WHERE WE CAN'T DO IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO PROTECT THE HOMES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
RAMALLAH ENDED UP THE AREA, UH, AND KEEP THEM THAT WAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE TO GO MOVE TO HOMES BACK CURB AND GUTTER AND THEN DO THE HOME.
AND THE STRAIGHT, THE STREETS THEMSELVES WILL BE A PROTECTIVE MEASURE.
AND THEN THE HOME HOPEFULLY WOULD REMAIN INTACT.
BUT SINCE WE CAN'T DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE AND THE PERSON'S LIVING CONDITIONS ARE THINGS THAT WE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PRECEDENT.
I'M THINKING PERSONALLY THAT STREETS AND ITS PROBLEMS AND THE LAYOUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THE AVENUES AND, UH, DUFFY FIELD IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AWHILE AGO.
AND YOU WON'T HAVE THERE BE A DRASTIC CHANGE IN ATTITUDE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, MOVE HIS HOUSE BACK AND YOU GO BLOW ON IT AND IT FALLS DOWN.
SO I SAYING, IF SOMEBODY LIVES ON THE INSIDE OF BED, IF WE CAN HAVE THEIR LIVING CONDITIONS IMPROVED BY, UH, YOU KNOW, RUNNING WATER AND SAFE ENVIRONMENT ON THE INSIDE, IF WE CAN ADVOCATE THAT IT MIGHT BE SOME KIND OF COORDINATED KIND OF EFFORT WITH US AND OTHERS LIKE HABITAT OR CHURCHES OR PEOPLE WHO, WHO, FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE'S AN ELDERLY PERSON WHO LIVE IN A HOME AND THAT ELDERLY PERSON LIVING IN AN UNSAFE, UH, CONDITIONS, AND, AND, AND, AND THEY STREET NEEDS TO BE FIXED UP, OR, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND IT, IT'S JUST A BAD SITUATION.
AND I'M, I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN DO FOR THEIR LIVING CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS THE ENVIRONMENT, IF, IF SOMEBODY ELSE DEALT WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE CDBG COULD ADDRESS, UH, THE CONDITIONS OF THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BECOME SATISFIED OR, OR, OR LIKE ACCUSTOMED, YOU MIGHT SAY TO THAT WAY OF LIFE, IF WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER IN SOME WAY, BY GIVING THEM RUNNING WATER, A STANDARD OF HOW WALLS ARE, YOU KNOW, COMFORTABLE FLOORS, UH, TO DO THE GRANT, OF COURSE, USUALLY TO GET YOUR POINTS, YOU NEED TO DO IT IN A GROUP TYPE AREAS THAT YOU EDIT CERTAIN AREAS.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT CERTAIN SURGICAL? I'M THINKING JUST AS THE CRITERIA BEING A LITTLE, OTHER THAN LIVING ON THE STREET, KIND OF THING WE WERE DOING, I'M SURE THE CRITERIA IS OTHER THAN LIVING ON THE STREET.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THERE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE EXTREMELY HANDICAPPED BY HOW THE STATE GRADES APPLICATIONS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR VERY SPECIFIC THINGS AND THAT FORCES US IN MANY PLACES TO EITHER INCLUDE OR EXCLUDE AREAS.
HOWEVER, THE CITY HAS TWO OPTIONS HERE.
ONE OPTION IS YOU DO THE COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION PROJECT, WHICH IS $750,000.
IT ALLOWS YOU NOT ONLY TO ADDRESS HOUSING, BUT TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES YOU TO DO, BUT AN IMPORTANT THING FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A SIZABLE PIECE OF MONEY INTO THIS PROJECT, YEAH.
WHY NOT GET SOMETHING BACK? YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, YOU NEED TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, AND THIS IS SOME OF THE CITY SHOULD BE PAYING FOR ANYWAY.
WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT MONEY IN, THEN MAKE SURE THAT MONEY PAYS FOR THAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IT'S PROBABLY IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE CITY CONSIDER IT.
HOWEVER, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THE STATE IS GOING TO TIGHTEN THEIR THRESHOLD REQUIREMENTS MEAN THAT WHEN THEY GIVE US A GRANT IN 1999, WE NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY MUCH
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QUICKER THAN WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.AND HOUSING IS A VERY SLOW PROCESS.
YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF OWNERS.
YOU GO THROUGH A LOT OF STEPS.
I CAN PUT A STREET IN A LOT FASTER, A WIRELINE LOT FASTER THAN I CAN FIX UP A BUNCH OF HOUSES.
SO IF WE GO WITH A COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION PROJECT, THEN WE SHOULD DEFINITELY DO SOME INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF YOU RECALL PAVEY AVENUE, HOW IT LOOKS, IT WAS CERTAINLY AN IMPROVEMENT.
WE DID SOME WAR LINES OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
WE'LL BE DOING THE SAME THING ON FIRST AVENUE.
SO YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO SEE FIRSTHAND WHETHER OR NOT THIS, THIS HAS AN IMPROVEMENT OR NOT.
WE ARE GOING, WE'RE PUTTING IN CURB AND GUTTER ON FIRST AVENUE.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS YEAR, I FINISHED THE LAST SECTION ON FIRST, SECOND, THIRD AVENUE CORNER, BUT I REALIZED THAT MY DISTRICT HAS RECEIVED RATHER MORE GRANTS AND MOST OF THE OTHER WARDS.
SO I DON'T WANT TO BE SELFISH, BUT I, SOME
THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US ENOUGH POINTS TO GET THE DRINKS.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE, WHICH WILL ATTRACT ME TO RELY ON YOU.
LET ME TO GREG, SINCE Y'ALL BRINGING THAT UP AND I'M MAYOR AND ALL OF THEM IN MY AREA, UH, NANNY NANNY BACK THERE IN THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, I WAS A PHYSICS MAJOR, BUT TO HAVE DANNY GET HIDE BEHIND MAYO IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IS HOW IS THE PROGRESS COMING ON, GETTING OUR MONEY FOR DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, BECAUSE I'M ON BEHIND THE MOON HANGING ON THE LAND, AS I'M SURE SOME OTHERS ARE.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE, NOBODY IN THOSE AREAS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DON'T HAVE ANY FUN.
SOME OF THESE UNPREDICTABLE STORMS THAT WE KEEP GETTING TO KEEP UP WITH.
SO YOU BUILD YOUR HOUSE ON SAND.
I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HAZARD MITIGATION MONIES WERE REQUESTED AND THE DRAINAGE STUDY.
WELL, THAT'S ONE ANSWER A QUESTION, BUT THE OTHER WAS REALLY THAT THE MONEY, THE MONEY FROM THE STATE AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO DO THE OVERALL STUDY, BECAUSE WE CAN KEEP DOING THESE LITTLE PROJECTS, BUT WE WOULD NEVER, IT'S FUNNY HOW PEOPLE COME UP HERE TONIGHT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TRACK.
THEY COULD HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE TRACKS.
LIKE WE SEE IN THE PAPER, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE COMPLAINTS.
IF YOU PICK UP THE RALEIGH VAPOR, IT'S EVERYWHERE AND IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF GROWTH.
AND EVERYBODY TACKING ON HERE AND TYPING ALL THE LAB.
WE DON'T GET A LONG-TERM PLAN FOR MY ARMY CORPS AND ALL THAT.
AND IF WE DON'T FIX IT, WE CAN MATCH UP ALL WE WANT FOR PEOPLE WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HEALTHY IN THAT THE DRAINAGE STUDY, THE STATE IS ON BOARD FUNDS.
MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH HIM, WHERE HE HAD MARKED, UH, TO GO TOWARDS THE PROJECT, UH, BEGINNING OF THIS SPRING, BEGINNING OF THIS SPRING, THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS ARE ON BOARD EXCEPT FOR THEIR BUDGET, WHICH PUTS IT TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
UH, THE REQUEST FROM THEM WERE, WAS FOR US TO SEEK MAYBE MOVING IT UP IN THE MINDS OF OUR LEGISLATORS.
UH, DID THEY HAVE ANY IN MIND THAT HAD GREAT INFLUENCE ON THE SITUATION? UH, WELL THERE WAS ONE SNACK TO EVERY LEGISLATOR WE HAD TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS MOVING WELL, THIS ELECTION HERE.
SO I, I THINK ANY, ANY, UH, BOARD MEMBER OR YOURSELF MAYOR THAT HAS THOSE CONTACTS COULD DEFINITELY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND TO MYSELF AND OUR BOARD, LITTLE SHORT SYNOPSIS, LET US WORK AND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE SENSE THAT THE CAR INSTEAD OF THE PROJECT WAS FINE AND ALL THAT, ALL THEY NEED IS SOMEBODY TO HELP THEM RETHINK THEIR PRIORITIES MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ABOUT TWO TO 300 YEARS NOW.
AND, AND JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE FATHER AND GREG MAY WANT TO ADD SOMETHING MORE TO THIS, BUT TAKING THAT A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, A METRIC MITIGATION AS A MITIGATION MONIES THAT WERE SET ASIDE, MY FEMA, THE COLA, THE STONES, WE DID REQUEST, UH, ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF
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DOLLARS WORTH OF DRAINAGE PROJECTS THAT WE KNEW WE COULD DO THAT WOULD HAVE SOME IMPACT ON THE DRAINAGE SHRINE.UH, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 10 OF THEM.
UH, THEY DID NOT, UH, DRAINAGE.
THEY'RE NOT RANKED VERY HIGH IN THE MITIGATION FUNDS, HOUSING RELOCATION OF HOUSING, DEMOLITION AND RELOCATING FAMILIES, UH, THAT MONEY IS NOW BEING PASSED OUT.
SO THE SLOWLY THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS, WE DO STILL HAVE A FEW OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT THEY CONSIDER FUNDABLE, BUT THAT POT IS SHRINKING AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE.
SO AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE TALKING TO ANYONE WHO HAS INFLUENCE ON THOSE PERSONS THAT WOULD HELP US.
SO WILL SAY WHEN I WAS GETTING MAD IS HE OBVIOUSLY IS ON THE PROJECT.
AND I WAS THINKING THAT PERHAPS WE COULD SHOW THESE PEOPLE.
HE GOES AFTER MONEY FROM HIM AND WE HAVE
THEY CAN SEND US ANY MONEY, SOME OF THEIR QUESTION AND GET THESE GUYS
LISA KIND OF IS THE CITY HAS TWO OPTIONS HERE.
ONE IS WE CAN DO THE NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION PROJECT, WHICH IS, IT GIVES US A LARGER POT OF MONEY.
IT EMPHASIZES AND ENCOURAGES US TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY ALSO HAVE A CATEGORY WHICH IS CALLED SCATTERED SITE, WHICH IS STRICTLY HOUSING, BUT THE POT OF MONEY THAT THEY GIVE IS MUCH LESS AND IT'S EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE.
AND ALL IT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO WERE HOUSES HERE AND THERE TO, I MEAN, WE HAD THAT OPTION.
THE CITY CAN ELECT TO GO THERE.
YOU'LL RECEIVE LESS FUNDS IF YOU'RE FUNDED AND CAN'T GET FROM ABOVE.
NOT UNLESS WE CAN WORK OUT ANOTHER RANGER LIKE 1995 WITH YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THIS TOWN AND HOW IT WAS CONFIGURED, WHERE THE HOUSES OFF, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND AS OUR BEST OPTION TO RECEIVE THE MOST POINTS AND GET A GRANT? OKAY.
WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL LOOK BACK AT THE APPLICATION, WHICH WAS UNFUNDED FOR 97, WHICH WAS TO FINISH UP WEST END, SEE IF THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS THERE THAT WOULD PREVENT US FROM BEING FUNDED.
WE'LL LOOK BACK AT THE SAME TIME.
WHEN WE DID THAT APPLICATION, WE WENT INTO THE RALEIGH AREA AND DID SURVEYS.
WE'LL LOOK BACK AT THOSE SURVEYS AGAIN AND SEE IF THAT ONE HAS THE POTENTIAL.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY ALSO LOOK AT TWO OTHER AREAS JUST TO GIVE US THE BEST SELECTION AND WHAT ARE THOSE TWO AREAS.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING, THERE IS AN AREA THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY PUT WATER LINES, SEWER LINES IN, OUT THERE AND DO HOUSING AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THEN WE COULD POSSIBLY WORK.
YOU NOTICE THAT THERE'S AN AREA HERE ALONG
MAYBE PARTNERING AGAIN WITH ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY ON MAYBE A SCATTER SITE THAT WAS CERTAINLY POSSIBLY ADDRESS SOME OF, IS THERE TRYING TO GET THE MOST MONEY THAT WE COULD.
MINIMUM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THIS GENTLEMAN'S TRACK RECORD, I THINK WE NEED TO DEFER TO HIS RECOMMENDATION AND LET HIM COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL THAT, UH, THAT'S GOING TO, UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT SO THAT THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL LIKELIHOOD THAT WE CAN GET A GRANT BECAUSE WE WERE NOT FUNDED LAST YEAR.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO GATHER THE INFORMATION TO GET THIS GRANT.
WE JUST NEED TO DEFER TO HIS EXPERTISE.
HE HAS AN EXCELLENT TRACK RECORD, AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ALLOW HIS RECOMMENDATION.
I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE GENTLEMAN ASKS FOR INPUT COULD NOT MISS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIM PUT UPON HIM THAT HE NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT
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THE RIGHT TRACK.WE DID PUT 3 MILLION IN FOUR YEARS.
REALLY LET THEM GO PUT YOUR STRONGEST FOOT FORWARD, YOUR BEST PLAN WITH, FOR THE MOST MONEY AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
AND I'M SURE YOU'LL COME OUT WITH ENOUGH MONEY TO DO SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS.
LAST TIME, LOCAL MONEY, EXTRA MONEY, WHERE WE COULD DO HOMES THAT ARE NOT IN THE TARGET AREA.
DIDN'T HAVE A NEED THAT REALLY HAVE A NEED.
I MEAN, THERE ARE ONE OR TWO HOMES AND MAYBE ON WEST STREET.
AND THEY'RE ONE OF A COUPLE OF HOMES THAT MAY BE IN CHURCHY AREA WHERE THEY'RE NOT IN A TARGET AREA, BUT THEY REALLY NEED SOME WORK.
SO IF WE HAVE SOME EXTRA LISTS LOCALLY INITIATIVE, UH, THERE ARE FUNDS LOCAL OPTION, WHICH AREN'T RATED.
BUT IF WE'RE AWARDED A GRANT, WE HAD SOME DISCRETION OVER, OKAY, NOW I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING HADN'T BEEN DONE RIGHT HERE A SEC.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY IMPORTANCE ON THE BOARD? MAYOR? I HAVE ONE FOR ELECTRIC.
I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT.
WE FINALLY GOT THE LAST
WELL, BILL, WHEN YOU'RE SECOND EMOTION, YOU'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO REPEAT WHAT HE'S THERE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION PLEASE? MA'AM YES, YES, YES, YES.
JUST ONE MOMENT FOR YOUR GUM, MR. SAMPSON, HE HAD HAD A BEQUEST TO MAKE BEFORE THE BOY SPOKE TO WINDOW ABOUT THE NURSING HOME.
ON A AND I COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN TONIGHT TOO.
MY NAME IS JOHNNY SAMSON COMMISSIONED THE SOUTH AT 10 36 NORTH STREET.
NOW COMING FOR YOU TONIGHT TO ASK THE DONATION FOR THE MISSION RED'S HOME.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE MISSION REST HOME AT THIS TIME IS THEY ONLY HAVE 10 RESIDENTS.
THE STATE HAS NOT LIFTED DOWN THE BAND THAT THEY PUT ON THE MR. REST HOME.
THE, ABOUT THE LIFT OF WE ARE HOPING.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVING A PROBLEM, PAYING THE STAFF AND LOOK LIKE EVERYTHING HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE IT KIND OF GAVE US SOME MONEY TO DO SOME PLUMBING WORK.
AND THEN THE HEATING SYSTEM WENT OUT.
THE ROOF BEGAN TO LEAK, AND THEN
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THEY'LL HAD, AFTER WE GOT THE PLUMBING FIXED, THEN ANOTHER HAD ANOTHER LEAK WITHIN THE WALL, HAD TO GET ANOTHER PLUMBER AROUND.THEY WASN'T ABLE TO PAY HIM YET.
AND SO WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS. UH, I TALKED TO HER, UH, SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING UP.
THEN WE REALIZED TO KEEP THAT HOME OPEN.
CAUSE I REALIZED I MIGHT HAVE TO GO UP THERE BEFORE IT'S OVER.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE THERE, THIS IS A REST HOME.
AND IT'S NOT LIKE A NURSING HOME, A NURSING HOME.
WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE, SOMEONE HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND TAKE YOU FROM OUT THERE.
YOU CAN'T JUST WALK OFF THE PREMISES LIKE YOU WANT TO, BUT IN THE RESTROOM YOU CAN GO ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY TO GO TO THE STORE BACK AND FORTH.
SO YOU HAVE SOME FREEDOM AND THEN IT'S A LOT CHEAPER IN A RESTAURANT THAN IT IS IN A NURSING HOME.
YOU PAY ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH IN A NURSING HOME.
SO THERE, AND THEY'RE DOING A FINE JOB.
THE PLACE BEEN THERE, IT'S THE OLDEST OR A REST HOME IN THIS COUNTY.
IN FACT, IT'S THE FIRST ONE IN THIS COUNTY.
PEOPLE REALLY KEEPS A NICE PLACE UP THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN BY THERE AND THE LADY RALLY OFF THE MORE WHO WHO'S BEEN THERE EVER SINCE IT BEGAN, SHE WANTED TO FIND IT.
SHE CAN'T GET AROUND TOO GOOD, BUT SHE'S STILL DOING HER BEST TO KEEP THAT HOME OPEN.
MY WIFE AND I, WE ARE WORKING HARD TO HELP HER TO KEEP THAT PLACE OVERHEAD.
AND A LOT OF DONATION GIVEN TO THAT HOME HAD BOTH WHITE AND BLACK CHURCHES GIVING DONATION, GIVEN ALL TYPES OF ASSISTANCE TO THE HOME.
AND I CAN SAY THAT THE MAYOR HE'S BEEN ONE OF THE GREATEST SPONSORS OF THAT HOME.
IN FACT, I BELIEVE HE WAS SPONSORED AT HOME BEFORE WE EVEN KNEW ABOUT WHAT PROBLEMS THEY WERE HAVING.
AND, UH, WE JUST NEED TO KEEP THAT HOME OPEN AND NEWBORN, IT'S A PLACE FOR IT.
WE HAVE OUR AGING POPULATION GETTING OLDER AND OLDER AND WE JUST NEED THAT HOME THERE IN THIS COMMUNITY TO, TO HELP THE SENIOR CITIZEN WHEN THEY GET READY, IF THEY HAVE TO GO TO A, SUCH A HOME.
AND WE THAT'S ASKING THE CITY TONIGHT THAT IF THEY WOULD MATCH WHAT THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN US $1,500.
AND WE HOPING THAT THIS RETIRED US OVER UNTIL MAY, THAT THE STATE COME BACK AND RUN THE DAD DECISION AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE ON IN THE HOME, LIKE A MOTION THAT WE RAN ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.