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THE CHURCH.

I WILL FOLLOW HIM.

OUR GOD, AS WE ONLY COMING FOR YOU TONIGHT, OR FATHER PREPARED TO DO BUSINESS IN YOUR NAME, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ME TO STAY HERE TONIGHT.

ALMOST A FATHER AFTER DOLLAR, BLESS OUR, ALL THOSE IN A VERY SPECIAL WAY.

BLESS OUR MATH, THAT THEY MAY SHOW LEADERSHIP FOR THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY THAT LET'S REALIZE PROBABLY THAT WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND ALL TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR EACH OTHER FOLLOW, BUT LET US ALL THE WAY, REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ALL BROTHERS KEEPER AND THOSE WHOSE GIVEN MUCH, MUCH AS EXPECTED FATHER.

WE ASK THESE OTHER BLESSING IN JESUS' NAME.

WE PRAY AND CONDUCT DONE.

AMEN.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC INVISIBLE ONCE AGAIN.

CAN WE GET THE NAMES OF THE OFFICERS? JIM ROWE, LOCUS NORTH CAROLINA.

RO THEY'RE SHARP.

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NICE LITTLE TOWN.

OKAY.

NEXT THING EVENING.

MY NAME IS, UH, KEVIN KUHN.

I'M THE ACTING CITY ENGINEER.

WELL, CITY ENGINEERS GONE THIS WEEK FOR THE MONTH OF APRIL, 1998.

THE MAXIMUM WASTEWATER TREATED WAS 5.2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

THE AVERAGE TREATED WAS 4.4 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

AND THE TOTAL GALLONS TREATED BY THE NEWBERN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WAS 109.3 MILLION GALLONS.

THE BOD EFFICIENCY WAS 89% SUSPENDED.

SOLIDS EFFICIENCY WAS 88% AND THE NEWBURN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WAS IN COMPLIANCE FOR THE MONTH OF APRIL.

THAT'S IT? THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

VERY FUN HOSPITAL OVERNIGHT.

THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS HEARING SOMEBODY LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND EXPLAIN WHAT WELL, AMERICAN, IT MIGHT BE LEFT UP TO US IN A LIGHT THAT WE'VE ALREADY FORMED.

THE COMMITTEE.

THE COMMITTEE HAS GONE OUT AND DONE SOME HOMEWORK AND THAT'S A RESEARCH AND THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THAT, UH, BOULEVARD BE NAMED AFTER MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.

AND OF COURSE UPON THAT RECOMMENDATION, IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS AS OF NOW.

UH, AND I LIKE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD GO THAT FAR OR FIRST.

CAN WE GO? AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE AGAIN, IS THERE ANY, ANY PROTOCOL ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT? WE GO ON, BUT THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST YOU MIGHT HAVE GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT.

WE'LL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

AND WE'LL START WITH ONES.

WE'LL START WITH THE FRONT ROAD.

ANYBODY FOR THOSE THAT WEREN'T HERE.

GOOD.

STEVE HICKS RANG THEM UP TODAY.

MY NAME IS STEVE HICKS.

I LIVE AT 25, 23 HICKORY STREET.

NEWBERN NORTH CAROLINA.

UH, I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEWBURN AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

UH, LAST MEETING UP HERE BEFORE YOU, AT YOUR REQUEST, YOU HAD ASKED ME TO, TO FACILITATE AND BE A DISCUSSION LEADER, UH, AT, UH, AT A, A MEETING THAT WE HAD, UH, WITH A NUMBER OF LOCAL CITIZENS AND PEOPLE THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, THE RENAMING OF CLARITIN, UH, BOULEVARD.

UH, I GAVE A WRITTEN REPORT AND OUT OF THAT WRITTEN REPORT, UH, I'LL HIGHLIGHT SEVERAL THINGS THAT I THINK YOU WILL REMEMBER IN SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

UM, I THINK THE MAIN THING IS, IS THAT WE GATHERED UP, WE, THOSE PEOPLE TOGETHER TO TAKE UP, TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS POSSIBLE.

AND THERE WERE SOME, IF I REMEMBER SOME 18 DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS, UH, SOME OF THOSE WERE, UH, THE, THE NEW NEUSE RIVER BRIDGE, UH, UNION POINT, UM, THE, UH, CLARITIN BOULEVARD, OF COURSE, THE, UH, US 70, UH, BYPASS, UH, FROM THE CITY LIMITS TO THE BRIDGE, UH, DIFFERENT RECREATIONAL PARKS, UH, BROAD STREET, UH, THE AREA FROM, UH, FROM WHERE, UH, BROAD STREET INS TO THE PRESENT NEUSE RIVER BRIDGE, THAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT MAY SOMEDAY BE APART.

UH, AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, SUGGESTIONS, UH, THE, UH, GROUP DISCUSSED ALL OF THOSE.

UH, THEN THREE OF THOSE WERE, WERE HIGHLIGHTED AS BEING, UH, THE, THE ONES THAT WOULD BE MOST FEASIBLE, UH, THAT WAS, UH, WAS CLARITY BOULEVARD.

UH UM,

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UH, FROM, FROM THE NEWBERN CITY LIMITS TO THE FREEDOM BRIDGE.

AND YOU HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THE THIRD ONE.

UM, SOMEBODY GOT A COPY OF THAT REPORT.

THE, UH, THAT'S CORRECT.

IT WAS CLEAR, IT WAS A NEW NEUSE RIVER BRIDGE.

THEY COULD HEAR THIS.

NO, YOU'RE CORRECT.

SOMEONE DID.

IT WAS THE, IT WAS THE NEW CONVENTION CENTER WAS, THIS WAS THE THIRD ONE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

MA'AM YEAH.

THE TOP THREE SUGGESTIONS FROM THE FIRST BALLOT VOTE WHERE THE NEW CONVENTION CENTER US HIGHWAY 70 WITHIN THE NEWMAN CITY LIMITS AND CLARITIN BOULEVARD, UH, THEY, THEY, UH, GROUP THOUGHT THAT ALL THOSE, UH, WERE CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT MEMORIALS.

THEY HAD HIGH VISIBILITY, HIGH TRAFFIC, AND THEY WERE EASILY IDENTIFIABLE.

UH, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, UH, BROUGHT FORTH AT THAT TIME ABOUT ALL THREE, UM, ALL THREE AREAS.

UH, THE CRAVEN COUNTY CONVENTION CENTER, UH, WOULD NOT BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE SPRING OF 2000, UH, WHICH WOULD PUT IT A COUPLE OF YEARS OFF.

UH, AND IT ALSO MUST HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE COUNTY AS WELL AS THE CITY.

THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER BOARD, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

AND IT'S NOT, OF COURSE, A COMPLETELY CITY DECISION.

SO THEY FELT LIKE THAT, UH, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD, SINCE THIS BOARD REQUESTED THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS BOARD COULD, UH, COULD TAKE CARE OF.

AND THEN YOU S HIGHWAY 70 WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, UH, UH, WAS THOUGHT THAT, UH, BASED ON A REPORT THAT WE HAD FROM THE DEITY, THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY TO GET DLT APPROVAL.

HOWEVER, IT WAS NOTED THAT THAT WAS THAT SOME AREAS ACROSS THE STATE WHERE BYPASSES, UH, HAD BEEN NAMED FOR DR.

KING, UM, THEN, UH, THE STATE CONTROL BYPASS, UH, WAS NOT IN THE CITY PROPER.

IT WAS SPELLED LIKE THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT RUNS THROUGH THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, IT'S A CONTROLLED ACCESS HIGHWAY, AND IT'S NOT AS MEANINGFUL AS A, AS A STREET THAT, THAT, UH, IS A PART OF THE CITY ITSELF.

UM, AND, AND THEN, UH, CLARITIN BOULEVARD, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE CHANGE OF ADDRESS WOULD BE COSTLY, THE BUSINESS LOCATED ON THE CLARITIN BOULEVARD, AND ALSO THAT THE CHANGE WOULD CAUSE A CONFUSION AS TO WHERE BUSINESSES ARE LOCATED.

AND THAT WAS, WAS POINTED OUT AS WELL.

UH, THIS PORT FOR THE NAME CHANGE AT CARTER CLARATIVE BOULEVARD INCLUDED THE FOLLOWING REASONS, UH, CLARITIN BOULEVARD, WHICH IS US 17 SOUTH.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT STREETS WITHIN THE CITY, A LARGE PORTION OF VARIOUS CITIZENS WORK OR SHOPPING IN THAT AREA.

UH, THE CITY'S MAJOR RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS ARE LOCATED THERE, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE MALL, UH, WALMART, THOSE BUSINESSES, UH, IT'S A MAJOR ROUTE FOR NEWBURN HIGH GROVER C FIELDS IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL OR GRASSY FIELDS, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND BEING QUINT ELEMENTARY.

UH, THE FOLLOWING SUGGESTIONS WERE MADE TO HELP MINIMIZE PROBLEMS THAT MIGHT OCCUR IN CHANGING THE NAME OF THE STREET SINCE IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT THAT WOULD BE SOME PROBLEMS FOR AREA BUSINESSES.

AND THOSE WERE THAT THE, UH, NAME CHANGE COULD BE MADE EFFECTIVE ON DR.

KING'S BIRTHDAY IN JANUARY OF 99.

UH, THIS WOULD GIVE BUSINESSES EIGHT MONTHS TO USE CURRENT STATIONARY BUSINESS CARDS.

AND, UH, AND THAT INVENTORY BEFORE REORDERING, UH, MANY BUSINESSES ALREADY USE HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH AS A LOCATION ADDRESS TO AVOID CONFUSION THAT WAS POINTED OUT BY A NUMBER OF THE PARTICIPANTS.

UH, ALSO, UH, THE NEWBURN CHAMBER, UH, AS STATED THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP IN ANY WAY THAT IT COULD TO DO ANY TYPE OF, UH, MARKETING STUDIES OR SUPPORT PR CAMPAIGNS OR ANYTHING.

IF IN FACT THE, THE NAME WERE CHANGED.

UH, AND THEN IT WAS ALSO SUGGESTED THAT DEDICATION CELEBRATION MEMORIALIZING DOT GAIN COULD INCLUDE PARTICIPATION FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT WHEN ENHANCED BUSINESS TRAFFIC ENCOURAGED PATRONS IN SHUT OFF THOSE BUSINESSES, UH, I NEED TO POINT OUT, UH, MR. MAYOR, THAT THE NEWSPAPER, I THINK PROBABLY WAS AN ERROR A COUPLE OF TIMES IN REPORTING THAT THE COMMITTEE, UH, AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL, UH, ENTITIES, UH, THAT DID GO ON RECORD AS FAVORING FAVORING.

THIS, I BELIEVE IT MENTIONED CP AND L MENTIONED THE CHAMBER OF, AND I THINK THAT WAS A MISINTERPRETED.

ACTUALLY, IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN WE MADE THIS REPORT, WE SAID THAT, UH, I HAD TALKED WITH,

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UH, THE US POSTAL SERVICE I HAD TAUGHT WITH, UH, CAROLINA TELEPHONE, NOT CP AND L BUT CAROLINA TELEPHONE.

AND, UH, ALSO OF COURSE, UH, THE, THE CHAMBER AND THOSE BUSINESSES AND THAT ORGANIZATION SAID THEY WOULD BE GLAD TO HELP WITH THE PROCESS.

IF IN FACT IT WAS, UH, IF IN FACT IT WAS NAMED, WE DID NOT, NONE OF THOSE ENDORSED IT, BE AWAY.

THEY ARE NEUTRAL PARTIES, BUT THEY DID SAY IF IN FACT THERE WAS A NAME CHANGE THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE AND THE TELEPHONE COMPANY AND THE CHAMBER WOULD, WOULD ASSIST BUSINESSES AND TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE IF, IF THEY COULD.

UH, BUT I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH BRINGS IT UP TO DATE, UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER QUESTIONS I DO WANT TO THANK, UH, EVERYONE THAT SERVED ON THAT COMMITTEE, UH, EVERYBODY THERE WAS, UH, WAS REAL GENUINE.

UH, THE FACILITATORS WERE FANTASTIC.

THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB AND TRYING TO FACILITATE, UH, WE HAVE TAUGHT WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE, AND IT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR, FOR SOME BUSINESSES.

UH, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, FROM THOSE THAT SUPPORT, THIS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO, TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO, UH, IT'S, I THOUGHT WAS, UH, WAS A MEETING THAT WAS WELL ATTENDED AND, AND, UH, YOU HAD A REPORT.

SHE GAVE THAT ANY OTHER QUICK , THERE WERE A NUMBER OF IT AND FIGHT IT.

THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OR ONE OR TWO.

I NEVER, MR. KELSO WAS THERE.

UH, THE SARAH, UH, THERE, THERE WERE A NUMBER THAT, THAT WERE ABIDED.

IT DID NOT, IT DID NOT TURN DOWN ALL OF A SUDDEN, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH THAT HEARING AT THE REQUEST OF ALL OF THEM WAS TO SEE IF THERE WERE POSSIBLE BOARDS THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, UH, THAT MIGHT, UH, THAT MIGHT BE, UH, ACCEPTABLE, UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WERE SOME REAL CONCERNS FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE EXPENSE THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE AT THE MAYOR.

AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS LOOKED AT CAREFULLY AND ALL THAT, ALL THAT WAS BRAWL, UM, TO THE FOREFRONT.

AND YOU WILL, YOU WILL HEAR, I THINK IN A FEW MINUTES FROM THOSE PEOPLE THAT FEEL VERY STRONG THAT, UH, UH, CLAIRE , UH, IN FACT THERE WERE AND , UH, UH, THERE, AND, UH, WE FOUND OUT YOU ALREADY KNOW I SAY SOMEWHERE AROUND 18 OR 20

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I THINK MY NAME IS WILLIE .

I CAN APPRECIATE, UH, WHAT THE MAYOR, BUT THE BOARD HAVE ALREADY DONE AS FAR AS ORGANIZING THIS, THIS EFFORT TO, TO HAVE EVERYONE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I'VE I WITNESS, UM, YEP.

YOU ALL GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO TRY TO KEEP THIS THING AS PEACEFUL AND ORGANIZED AS POSSIBLE, AND THE FACT THAT YOU RECOGNIZE ALL INDIVIDUALS AND BEING A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE RELATIVES OR COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT, UM, THEIR BUSINESSES HAVE A NATURAL CONCERN.

THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO, TO BRING FORWARD THE CONCERN OF THE WAY THEY'RE DOING, BUT I DO BELIEVE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER BUSINESSES TO RECOGNIZE SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERN THAT A COMMUNITY IS FOR WHAT THIS REQUEST, UH, THE FACT THAT THEY DO HAVE TO MAKE A SACRIFICE WOULD IF THEY MADE THAT SACRIFICE WOULD BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS MAN, WHO, WHO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WAS FOR EVERYONE AND WHAT FOR NON-VIOLENCE.

AND HE LIVED A VERY CLEAN LIFE, AND WE FEEL THAT THIS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CREATE A DIALOGUE, UH, THAT WHAT REALLY ENHANCED THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND WOULD BRING ME TO THE COMMUNITY ALL TOGETHER IN A SENSE TO, UH, TO WORK TOGETHER.

THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, BUT MY BIGGEST HOPE IS THAT, UH, ALL OF THE, UH, OF CITY OFFICIALS THAT HAVE PLAYED A WONDERFUL ROLE AND TRYING TO ORCHESTRATE THE THING AND TO KEEP EVERYTHING IN PERSPECTIVE, THAT THEY GET RECOGNITION FOR THEIR PART, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE MAYOR.

HE'S, HE'S REALLY WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO KEEP THINGS IN ORDER.

AND, UH, THE ALDERMANS, THEY HAVE REALLY CAREFULLY MONITORED PEOPLE'S OPINIONS AND TRY TO EQUALLY REPRESENT EVERYBODY IN THIS MATTER.

UH, ONCE AGAIN, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, I JUST HOPE THAT THE SACRIFICE THAT SOME OF THEM MIGHT MAKE THAT, UH, IT WILL NOT BE IN VAIN AND THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY IT WILL BRING THE COMMUNITY CLOSER TOGETHER.

AGAIN, I COMMEND YOU ALL FOR WELL DONE THUS FAR, AND I HOPE THAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO SMOOTHLY IN SPITE OF THE PROS AND CONS Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY.

UM, MY NAME IS JERRY FISHER AND, UH, I'M A CITIZEN HERE IN NEW BERN, NORTH CAROLINA.

AND, UH, I SEE THIS NAME CHANGE AS SOMETHING POSITIVE.

UM, TO ME NOT KING'S NAME BRINGS HOPE.

AND AS THE BIBLE SAY WITH, UH, EXPERIENCE, THERE IS HOPE, AND THIS MAN HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN BRINGING HOPE TO ALL CITIZENS, BLACK, WHITE, NO MATTER WHAT THE COLOR.

SO I SEE THIS CHANGE AS BEING SOMETHING POSITIVE, AND I'M SURE, UH, THE MONIES THAT WE SPEND, WE'RE STILL SPEND THE MONEY IN THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WILL HELP, UH, AS WELL AS TAXES, OFFSET BUSINESS EXPENSES.

AND IF THERE IS NEED FOR ADDITIONAL STATIONARY, I'M SURE THAT IT CAN BE MADE.

WE AS CITIZENS, WE WILL EVEN HELP TO, UH, PAY THAT COST.

SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING POSITIVE.

IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING POSITIVE, THEN IT WILL AFFECT ALL OF US.

BECAUSE IF WE, UH, FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES IN THE COMMUNITY, THEN IT'LL RUB OFF ON ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE RUBBED UP ON ALL THE PEOPLE, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNE TOGETHER.

AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING POSITIVE, NOT NEGATIVE.

IF IT WAS BAD, IF IT WAS UGLY, I CAN SEE GOING AGAINST IT, BUT IT'S VERY POSITIVE AND I'M FOR IT.

I WAS ON THE FRONT ROW.

GOOD EVENING.

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UM, MY NAME IS JOHN ROBINSON.

I LIVE AT RESIDE AT 1621 LINCOLN STREET, NEWBURN.

I THINK, UH, THIS HONOR SHOULD BE GIVEN ABOUT THE GANG NEWBURN.

NEWBURN IS AN ALL AMERICAN CITIZEN AND WE, WE LOOKED OUT OUR NEWBORN BOARD.

GOVERNOR WARD IS ALL AMERICAN ALSO.

AND SO THINGS CHANGE.

THEY'D BE LIVING IN A SITE OF CHANGE NOW, BECAUSE I REMEMBER READING THE PAPER SOMETIME WE WERE DOING THE UNION POT DOWN THERE, UH, SOME, SOME, UH, READ AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER, THE LADY THEN WHAT, THE, SOMEONE WHO WAS, I GUESS, MOVING THE TREES DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE HAD TO MOVE THOSE TREES TO GET THAT, TO GET THAT BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PARK DOWN THERE.

SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CHANGE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE.

AND ONE THING TO SAY TO STAY THE SAME ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, BUT THIS, WE HAVE TO SET SOME THINGS IN CHANGE TO BRING HARMONY PEACE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER, DOING THINGS TOGETHER AND MOVING TOGETHER, BUT THIS TO BE AN ALL AMERICAN CITIZEN, AN ALL AMERICAN CITY AND OUR BOARD, IT LOOKS GOOD.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND ALDERMAN.

MY NAME IS ROBERT BELL.

UH, MY RESIDENCE ADDRESS IS 45 0 2 HAYWOOD FARMS ROAD.

MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 39 14 CLARENDON BOULEVARD.

UM, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE.

AND THE REASONS ARE REASONS ARE FOR ME, I'M VERY MUCH ECONOMIC.

I'VE BEEN IN MY LOCATION NOW FOR SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS IN SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS, I'VE HAD FIVE DIFFERENT ADDRESSES EACH TIME, NEW LETTERHEAD, NEW STATIONARY, NEW PINS FOR HANDOUTS, NEW BUSINESS CARDS.

UH, I'VE GOT A LIST HERE OF, UH, ABOUT 16 ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.

EVERY TIME WE CHANGE ADDRESSES.

IT'S NO SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

WE'RE A SMALL BUSINESS, A TRUE SMALL BUSINESS, AND THIS DOESN'T COME EVERY TIME WE PAY THIS, DOESN'T COME OUT OF SOME LARGE CORPORATIONS.

BOTTOM LINE.

IT COMES OUT DIRECTLY FROM OUR POCKET.

AS FAR AS INCOME FOR OUR FAMILY GOES.

I CHANGED THIS LAST IN FEBRUARY, JUST PRIOR TO THE, UH, CHANGE IN AREA CODE FOR THE TELEPHONE COMPANY, $2,800.

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL JANUARY 99 TO JUST ONE PROBLEM.

I GOT A TWO AND A HALF YEAR BALANCE LEFT ON MY LEASE.

I BOUGHT TWO AND A HALF YEARS WORTH OF STATIONARY TO CARRY ME THROUGH THE END OF MY LEASE.

UM, LIKE SAY IT'S NOT A SMALL MATTER FOR US.

I'VE GOT IN MY COAT POCKET, INK PENS WITH FOUR DIFFERENT ADDRESSES ON IT.

YOU HAND OUT INK PENS TO PEOPLE AS A GIVEAWAY, AS AN ADVERTISEMENT, AND YOU EXPECT THOSE TO CIRCULATE FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE THEY'RE DISCARDED MINE NEVER GET COLD BEFORE WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE NEW ONES.

IT'S A TERRIBLE JOB TRYING TO JUST TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THESE THINGS.

THERE'S ALSO THE MATTER OF PREPAID ADVERTISING.

UH, OUR ADVERTISING, OUR YELLOW PAGE AD IS A FINE EXAMPLE.

WE BUY THROUGH NATIONAL YELLOW PAGES, WHICH MEANS WE GO THROUGH AN AD AGENCY.

THEY GO THROUGH NATIONAL YELLOW PAGES, AND THEN THEY GO THROUGH THE SPRINT CAROLINA, YELLOW PAGES, OUR DEADLINE FOR TURNING IN OUR PROOF FOR THIS COMING YEAR, STARTING NOVEMBER 98 HAS ALREADY PASSED.

IT'S ALREADY GONE.

THE EARLIEST I CAN CHANGE THAT ADVERTISEMENT IS NOVEMBER, 1999.

IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO US.

I HAD SPENT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE LAST SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS TO PAID FOR MY SON'S COLLEGE EDUCATION AT NC STATE.

AND I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT AT DUKE, BUT I COULD HAVE DONE IT AT THE STATE OR EAST CAROLINA.

THAT'S A RIDICULOUS SUM OF MONEY TO PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S WHIMS TO CHANGE THINGS.

GRANTED, I DON'T THINK ALDERMAN HAVE DONE IT.

IT'S BEEN THE POSTAL SERVICE.

IT HAS BEEN, UH, 9 1 9 OR 9 1, 1, UH, CHANGES WERE NECESSARY, BUT STILL THEY WERE CHANGES THAT I HAD NO CONTROL OVER.

I DON'T DENY THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR DR.

KING.

I THINK IT'S A VERY WORTHWHILE THING TO DO.

I JUST DON'T THINK PEOPLE HAVE A CONCEPTION OF THE FINANCIAL COST AND HARDSHIP TO THE SMALL BUSINESSMAN AND TO LARGE BUSINESS, TO, UH, ALONG DECLARED IN, UM, BOULEVARD AREA.

UH, IN OUR CASE, WE HAVE CHANGED FROM HIGHWAY 17 TO CLARENDON BOULEVARD OVER THE SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN THERE.

WE THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER

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THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE THAT WOULD NOT ENTAIL AS MUCH EXPENSE, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST THERE ARE A LOT OF STREETS THAT HAVEN'T UNDERGONE THE NUMERIC AND NAME CHANGES THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH.

THAT COULD BE CHANGED.

THERE ARE NUMEROUS BUILDINGS, STREETS, BRIDGES THAT COULD BE CHANGED AND NOT REALLY AFFECT ANYBODY TO A GREAT ECONOMIC IMPACT.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS WAS THOUGHT THROUGH FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

I SUSPECT IF MY LITTLE BUSINESS GENERATES $2,800 IN COST, I WOULD SUSPECT WHEN YOU INCLUDE ALL THE BUSINESSES ON CLARITIN BOULEVARD AND SOME HAVE MUCH MORE TO REDO THEM.

WE WOULD HAVE, WHEN YOU CHANGE ALL THOSE THINGS, YOU'RE LOOKING INTO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

NOW, DR.

KING WAS A PROPONENT OF GOOD THINGS AND HE DESERVES A MEMORIAL, BUT WILL WE NOT BE BETTER OFF WITH $450,000 GOING INTO COMMUNITY PROJECTS AND THEN $450,000 GOING INTO CHANGING THE NAME OF THE STREET AND JUST GOING UP AND PRINTING COSTS AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

I JUST DON'T THINK THIS HAS BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH FROM THAT, THAT STANDPOINT, IF NOTHING ELSE, I INVITE THE CITY TO PAY, TO PAY THE COST OF DOING THIS.

I THINK YOU'D FIND THAT BIG, QUITE SHOCKING, WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COST THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MARIN BOARD.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME TONIGHT AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO WHAT APPEARS TO A LOT OF US AS A RUNAWAY TRAIN AND THIS EFFORT TO RENAME CLARENDON BOULEVARD.

UM, I'M BOB PEEL.

UH, I OWN A BUSINESS ON CLARITY BOULEVARD AND THE ADDRESS IS 33 13 CLARINGTON AND I SENT A MEMO OVER THE WEEKEND TO THE BOARDS.

AND I'M WONDERING, DID EVERYBODY GET ONE? IF YOU DIDN'T, I'VE GOT A COPY.

ANYBODY GET ONE, ROBERT, YOU GET ONE.

I GOT ONE, UH, EXPRESSING OUR CONCERNS.

FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT IT TO OBJECT TO THE REQUEST, A NAME CHANGE.

AND ALSO WE WANT TO OBJECT TO THE WAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN DONE.

I THINK EVERYBODY WAS PROBABLY A LITTLE SHOCKED TO, FIRST OF ALL, SEE THAT HAD BEEN DONE WITHOUT CONSULTING ANYBODY TO LIVE AND WORKED ON THE STREET.

AND THEY HAD A BUSINESS ON THE STREET THAT'S BEHIND US NOW.

AND THEN WE HAD A COMMITTEE APPOINTED, BUT, UH, WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THE UPHEAVAL AND EXPENSE OF A THAT WE DIDN'T REQUEST.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ON CLARITY BOULEVARD WHO REQUESTED THIS.

AND FROM MY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY IS, THINGS SHOULD NOT BE FORCED ON PEOPLE WHO DON'T REQUEST THEM.

I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

UH, A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PRESSURE OFFICIALS WITH CHANGES THAT ARE NOT WELL THOUGHT OUT AND AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE PERSON WHO IS AFFECTED.

AND THIS ISSUE IS MORE THAN THE COST OF CHANGING LETTERHEADS THOUGH.

WE SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON'S PUSHING THIS COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE COST.

WE DON'T LEARN TO CHANGE TO DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, JOHN F. KENNEDY BOULEVARD, OR ANYTHING ELSE.

WE ALL ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES ON CLARITIN BECAUSE WE LIKE CLARINGTON.

AND OUR CUSTOMERS KNOW US AS CLARINGTON SEVERAL OF THE BUSINESSES, NOT MYSELF, BECAUSE I'M A SMALL CAR GOT THERE.

OF COURSE, SEVERAL OF THE BUSINESSES HAVE REGIONAL AND NATIONAL ADS WITH MANY DOLLARS INVESTED IN THAT NAME AND ADDRESS RECOGNITION.

AND WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW A FEW PERSONS TO DISRUPT MANY YEARS OF WORK AND MONEY TO DO THIS.

AND OF COURSE, THERE'S A NOTION OF IN ADVANCE THAT EVERYONE HAS A YEAR TO CHANGE JUSTICE.

THIS MAY BECOME EFFECTIVE NEXT YEAR.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE EXTRA COST INVOLVED.

WELL THAT'S HOGWASH.

THE COST IS IN THE EFFECT ON ALL ACCOUNTS AND CUSTOMERS THAT ADMIN ESTABLISHED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND A LOT OF OTHER INTANGIBLE THINGS THAT WE CANNOT IMAGINE.

MUST'VE JOE ALCOVE TOLD ME TODAY WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO DOCTORS, HE ESTIMATED IT WOULD COST HIM PROBABLY OVER $10,000 TO DO THIS.

AND I THINK HE WAS PROBABLY CONSERVATIVE.

THAT'S ONE SUPPLY WE'RE ADVISED THAT COMMITTEE SELECTED TO STUDY.

THIS ISSUE WAS HEAVILY WEIGHTED WITH PERSON WHO ADVOCATED THE CHANGE.

OF COURSE,

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THE OUTCOME COULD BE PREDICTED A NEUTRAL PERSON ON A COMMITTEE STATED AT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT WERE, THAT WERE OFFERED.

AND THERE, I BELIEVE STEVE SAID AT 18 DISCUSSED IN THREE PRIMARIES THAT THEY WERE QUICKLY SHUT DOWN BY THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP.

THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD A CLOSED MIND TO OTHER OPTIONS.

AND WHILE I'M AT THAT POINT BEFORE SOMEONE SAYS ANYTHING I WAS ASKED TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE, I DON'T APOLOGIZE FOR NOT DOING SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW ANYONE ON CLARITY WOULD WANT TO SERVE ON A COMMUNITY LIKE THAT.

I HAD A FEAR THAT THIS WAS THE WAY THAT WAS GOING TO TURN OUT.

SO I MADE A DECISION NOT TO DO SOMETHING.

AND YOU MIGHT SAY TO ME, WELL, YOU SHOULDN'T CRITICIZE IF YOU WEREN'T THERE.

SO I WON'T ANYMORE.

I WON'T CRITICIZE ANYMORE, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW THAT IT WAS A STACK COMMUNITY.

THIS IS SO UNNECESSARY DUE TO ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, AND THEN AVAILABLE, THERE ARE MANY HOURS OBVIOUSLY WORTH IT TO THE MEMORY OF DR.

KING THAT DO NOT DISRUPT AND INCUR UNNEEDED EXPENSES.

THIS BOARD SHOULD TELL THE GROUP ASKING FOR THIS NUMBER ONE.

WE WON'T TO HONOR DR.

KING, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT DIVIDES PEOPLE AND NOT BRINGS THEM TOGETHER AS DR.

KING ADVOCATED.

I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.

NUMBER THREE, THERE ARE OTHER VIABLE OPTIONS THAT WILL NOT AFFECT BUSINESSES.

AND JUST TO STEP ASIDE FOR A MOMENT, I ADDED THIS JUST BEFORE I LEFT HOME TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, IF YOU REALLY HAD TO CHANGE CLARENDON BOULEVARD AND NOBODY HAD ANY OPPOSITES AT ALL, ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER OPTIONS.

AND IF IT WAS TO RECOGNIZE A PERSON WHO HAS DONE MORE FOR ALL RACES IN NEWBURN, YOUNG AND OLD ALIKE THAN ANYONE ELSE, IT SHOULD BE CALLED SAM WALTON BOULEVARD.

HE ESTABLISHED WALMART GOT THERE.

HE'S DONE NORTH, EVERYBODY, AND ANYBODY ELSE I CAN THINK OF.

THAT'S THE NAME OF SAINT WALTER SAM WALTON BOULEVARD.

WE ARE CONCERNED AGAIN.

I MENTIONED A RUNAWAY TRAIN.

WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RUNAWAY TRAIN, CARRYING THIS RENAMING ISSUE.

WE FEEL IT'S GOING TOO FAST.

AND IT'S ALSO FULL OF MISLEADING STATEMENTS TO THE PUBLIC.

NOW, THANKS.

STEVE ALLUDED TO THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

EVERYBODY PROBABLY HAD GOTTEN YESTERDAY'S PAPER MONDAY, MAY 25TH CLOSED ON THE INSIDE COVER.

IT SAYS THIS ISSUE IS SUPPORTED BY THE NEW-BORN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, LOCAL TELEPHONE COMPANY AND INHUMAN HUMAN POST OFFICE.

THE NAME REPLACEMENT HAS SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT.

WINGATE SAID, QUOTE, WELL, GUESS WHAT? THIS IS NOT TRUE.

STEVE ALLUDED TO THIS, I PERSONALLY CONTACTED THE CHAMBER TODAY AND THE CHAIRMAN HAS NOT ENDORSED THIS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BOARD CHOSE TO REMAIN NEUTRAL AS THIS CORRECT, STEVE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

TODAY I PERSONALLY CONTACTED OF AL COLI OR THE PHONE COMPANY, AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW HIM.

HE STATED THE PHONE COMPANY HAS NOT ENDORSED THIS CHANGE.

AND THEY WERE AS SHOCKED AS WE WERE TO SEE THIS IN THE PAPER FURTHER TODAY, I CONTACTED THE SENIOR SUPERVISOR AT THE POSTAL SERVICE, WHO SAID NOT TRUE.

WE DON'T ENDORSE NAME CHANGES.

WE JUST ACCEPT.

WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED TO US BY THE GOVERNING BODIES.

COS ALREADY KNEW THAT THAT, BECAUSE I RETIRED FROM THE POST OFFICE.

SO YOU SEE THIS SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP WHERE WAS THOUGHT TO ANYTHING, INCLUDING FOX HERDS IN THE PUBLIC.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

WHAT ELSE CAN YOU SAY? LET'S NOT BE MISLED FOR THESE TACTICS.

THERE WAS SOMETHING MENTIONED IN THE PAPER.

I THINK IT WAS IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH, BUT I MUST HAVE WINGATE ABOUT WIN-WIN SITUATIONS.

I LIKED THAT WORD I'VE LEARNED OVER THE YEARS AT ANYTIME YOU COULD COME OUT WITH A WIN-WIN SITUATION OR WIN-WIN DECISION IS BEST FOR ALL CONCERNED EACH SIDE AND A WIN-WIN SITUATION GETS UP.

AND USUALLY, BUT I ASK YOU, IS IT FAIR TO FORCE THIS CHANGE ON BUSINESSES THAT DO NOT WANT IT? AND BASED ON THE, WHAT I HEARD 18 OUT OF 18 RESPONDENTS SAID, NO, IS THAT FAIR TO FORCE THIS ON THESE FOLKS? THERE'S NO WIND HERE.

AND THEY HAD NO OPTIONS.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

IS IT FAIR TO SAY TO THE GROUP REQUEST AND THIS NUMBER ONE, WE ENDORSED THIS REQUEST AND WE'LL DO SOMETHING.

NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE OTHER GOOD OPTIONS THAT DO NOT FORCE US TO CHANGE.

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AND NUMBER THREE, WE WILL HONOR DR.

KEEN, AS SOON AS ONE OF THESE IDENTIFIED OPTIONS CAUSING NO DISRUPTION OR UNNECESSARY EXPENSES AGREED UPON ALL.

THIS IS A WIN FOR THEM.

IT'S NOT THE ONE THEY WANT, BUT A WIN IS A WIN.

SO WE HAVE A WIN-WIN SITUATION.

I URGE YOU, PLEASE DO THE FAIR THING AND HELP US HAVE A WIN-WIN SITUATION.

APPRECIATE YOUR TAP ELSE ON THE FRONT LOAD.

MR. MAYOR, ALDERMAN X.

I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT I SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO HIM TALKING AND WHAT I COME TO MY MIND WHEN I SIT IN AND LISTEN TO HIM, TALK WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT CLAIRE BOND BOULEVARD WAS YEARS AGO WENT DOWNTOWN WAS, YOU KNOW, REAL PROGRESSIVE.

WHEN EVERYBODY WANTED TO BE DOWNTOWN, THE MALL, MOVED OUT TO CLAIRBORNE BOULEVARD, ALL BUSINESSES WANTING TO MOVE OUT THERE.

THEY DIDN'T TAKE A CONSIDERATION.

WHAT IT WAS DOING TO US, THE PEOPLE WITH THEIR MOVES, PEOPLE, BUSINESSES MOVE ALL THE TIME TO BETTER THEIR SELVES.

BUT NOW THAT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR A SMALL THING, NOT A GREAT THING, JUST THE STREET TO BE NAMED AFTER A GREAT MAN THAT SERVED THE COUNTRY.

WELL, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S ABOUT MONEY.

THAT TRUE.

IT'S GONNA COST THEM A COUPLE OF DOLLARS TO MAKE THIS MOVE, BUT IT COST THEM A COUPLE OF DOLLARS TO MAKE THAT MOVE OUT THERE.

WHENEVER IT WAS, THEY MADE THAT MOVE.

THEY DIDN'T TAKE IN CONSIDERATION WHAT WOULD CAUSE THE PEOPLE TO GET CABS CALLS OR WHATEVER THEY GET OUT THERE.

BUT NOW THEY OUT THERE, THEY GOT THE RECOGNITION, THEY GOT THE PUBLICITY MONEY COMING IN.

WE ASKED ONE SIMPLE THING, NAS, ALL ABOUT MONEY.

TRUE IS GOING TO COST THEM MONEY, BUT IT WAS SERVED THE CITY AND THE COUNTRY.

WELL, TO DO THIS GREAT THING FOR THE CITY OF NEW BERN, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

I'D LIKE TO ASK EVERYBODY THAT COULD EVEN ADD YOUR STRONGLY LEAST ONE WAY OR WHATEVER.

JUST KIND OF KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

AND THE REASON FOR THEM TO CALL US, WE AS A BOARD, HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL LANES AND WE WILL CONSIDER ALL THE PLANS FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT AND NEW WIRELESS COMMUNITY AND UNBEKNOWNST TO A LOT OF FOLKS, WE DON'T REACT TO PRESSURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

SECOND ROW, ANYBODY ON THE SECOND COMMENT, WE ALWAYS START FROM LEFT TO, RIGHT? THIS, HEY, YOU NEED TO SPEAK ABOUT A JOE, OUR COKE ANYWAY.

AND LYNN LIVE IN NEWBURN ALL MY LIFE.

AND I'M CERTAINLY GETTING AN ALDERMAN AND MAYOR AND WARD.

AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT ARGUMENTATIVE ON THIS THING AT ALL.

I'VE TRIED TO LISTEN TO EVERYTHING.

I THINK WHEN I FIRST MENTIONED IT TO OUR MAYOR, THAT I WAS PROBABLY SHOCKED BY IT BEING VOTED ON AND PASSED WITHOUT ANYBODY'S INPUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

YOU WANT IT, WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE BUSINESS, BUT TODAY WE GOT A HOLD OF OUR PEOPLE THAT DO OUR FORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND IT PROBABLY IS GOING TO COST US SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

MOST OF ALL, I THINK THAT WHEN I CALL THESE PIT FOLKS THE DAY AND I CALL 43 OF THEM, THEY CALL THESE FOLKS TODAY.

NONE OF THEM HAD BEEN CONTACTED BY ANYONE ON THAT, ON THAT FROM ANY COMMITTEES AT 22 PEOPLE COME TO 12 PEOPLE COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER, THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED.

MOST OF THEM DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE MEETING TONIGHT.

UM, I THINK THAT PROBABLY THIS THING IS MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HANDLED, RIGHT.

OR MAYBE IT IS HANDLED, RIGHT.

MAYBE WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE, VOTE TO CHANGE IT.

AND WHETHER PEOPLE WANT TO CHANGE IT OR NOT, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

I'M JUST NOT, NOT QUITE SURE, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY PROBLEM SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEES THAT LIVE OR WORK IN TO THE AREA OUT THERE.

I WAS IN RALEIGH OVER THE WEEKEND, OR ACTUALLY TUESDAY LAST TUESDAY A WEEK TODAY, A WEEK AGO.

AND I WAS GOING UP NORTH SONDRA STREET AND THEY GOT A BRAND NEW BYPASS RIGHT THERE OFF NORTH SONDRA STREET, RIGHT THERE BY THE, BY COMING TO RALEIGH, IT MARTIN LUTHER KING'S, UH, BOULEVARD.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY APPROPRIATE, BUT I SAW THE BOULEVARD.

I SAW THE SIGNS, I RECOGNIZE IT.

I EVEN TURNED AND WENT UP THERE TO SEE WHERE IT, WHERE IT CAME OUT ON THE OTHER END.

BUT IT WAS A BRAND NEW NON-ACCESS BOULEVARD THERE.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THAT LIVED UP AND DOWN THERE HAD TO MAKE ANY MAJOR CHANGES IN YOUR DRESSES OR COST OF CHANGING OR, OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

I NOTICED ON THE WAY THROUGH GOLDSBORO, THEY HAD A MARTIN LUTHER KING

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BOULEVARD AROUND THE NON, THE NON-CONTROL ACCESS THERE AROUND GOLDSBORO.

I DON'T HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT AFFECTED HOW MANY BUSINESSES AFFECTED OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENED.

I DON'T THINK I GO INTO A COMMUNITY THAT I DON'T SEE A MARTIN LUTHER KING MEMORIAL OVER, NOT THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT.

AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN ARGUMENT FOR THAT.

AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT.

I'M NOT EVEN GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.

I'M GOING IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE.

I'VE SORT OF PUT MY LIFE OUT THERE.

I'VE PUT MY MONEY'S OUT THERE.

I PUT MY LIFE OUT THERE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HONOR.

BUT I THINK IF WE HONORED HIM SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT COST SUCH A BURDEN TO THE PEOPLE ON THAT AND THAT IN THAT BUSINESS CAR ALONG THERE, I THINK THAT THIS WILL BE A BURDEN.

THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT IT WOULD COST.

I TALKED TO LOWE'S A DAY WE HADN'T HEARD THE FIRST WORD ABOUT IT IN NORTH WILKESBORO SAID WE HAVEN'T HEARD THE FIRST WORD ABOUT THIS.

I'M SURPRISED THAT SOMEBODY WOULDN'T COME TO US BECAUSE WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF SUPPLIERS.

OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING.

MAYBE WE JUST HAVE A VOTE ON IT AND SAY, THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.

WE ALL LIVE WITH THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE DEMOCRATIC WAY.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY I TRAIN AUTOMOBILES.

MR. WARD MAY SAY DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S NOT IT.

UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

I REALLY DON'T.

I THINK THAT THE MAYOR SAID HE WOULD NEVER CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE.

HE'S GOT A DOG HE'D NAMED HIM DOG.

I THINK THE THINGS THAT I'VE READ HERE IN THE PAPER, I'VE GOT EACH ITEM THAT WAS WRITTEN.

EACH THING THAT WAS CAME OUT IN THIS SUN JOURNAL ABOUT IT.

JUST TRYING TO TRY AND TO GO ALONG AND TRY TO READ IN BETWEEN THE LANDS OF, UH, OF, UH, AN ALL I'VE SEEN IN HERE'S HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE UPSET OVER IT.

UM, THE, THE, UH, CITY HALL WAS DILUTED WITH A NUMBER OF PHONE CALLS.

UH, YES, LET'S DO THIS.

LET'S FIND SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT AFFECT SO MANY PEOPLE.

I'M NOT SURE IF MR. BILL DIDN'T COVER IT ALL A WHILE AGO WHEN HE SAID LESS THAN DEUCE KNEW SOMETHING, BUT MAYBE THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS ASKED FOR THIS CHANGE, MAYBE THEY DID NOT REALLY DO THEIR HOMEWORK TO FIND OUT WHAT IT REALLY, HOW IT REALLY WOULD AFFECT EVERYBODY ON THAT, ON THAT CALL THEM.

TWO OF THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO THIS AFTERNOON PROBABLY UPSET ME TOO, BECAUSE THEY SAID, OH, JOE, THAT'S THE LOSING BUYER LIST THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT FOR A LONG TIME NOW.

SO THEY ALREADY GOT THE VOTES TO PASS IT.

NO DD, YOU WASTING YOUR TIME WHILE I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT HOW WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT ANYBODY WOULD FEEL THAT WAY YOU'LL HAVE THE VOTES TO PASS IT, WHETHER YOU HAVE OR NOT.

HAVE I JUST HATE FOR A PERSON TO TELL ME THAT WITH, WITH, UH, WITH THE BOARD, NOT LISTING TO THE PEOPLE WHO'VE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PICTURE OF THE THING.

UH, I THINK THAT, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO HONOR TO HONOR IT.

AND WHEN I GO INTO OTHER TOWNS, I CERTAINLY SEE THAT WHETHER IT'S A LANA, WHETHER IT'S RALEIGH OR WHEREVER IT IS, BUT I THINK THIS AFFECTS AFFECTS PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT'S NOT AFFECTED BY MOST AREAS.

I GO INTO MOST AREAS I GO INTO IT IS A FREEWAY TYPE OF THING.

UH, ACTUALLY THAT PART OF IT WASN'T EVEN IN THE CITY LIMITS TO A DAY OR TWO AGO.

SO OF COURSE FEED ME A FEW YEARS AGO.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER.

IT'S NOT A DOWNTOWN CENTER LOCATION THAT, THAT YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE HONORING DOWNTOWN NEWBURN.

IT'S NOT AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS DON'T AFFECT, JOHN WILL THANK YOU REALLY.

I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER BEEN HERE, BUT TWICE IN MY 40 YEARS ONCE WAS OBJECTED TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THE DOWNTOWN SIDE ON IT.

SO IT WOULD BE OUT THERE ON THE 250 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.

CARL, I DID NOT, YOU KNOW, I GOT SHOT DOWN ON THAT ONE, BUT I STILL DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY.

AND I STILL DON'T.

THIS IS MY SECOND TRIP DOWN HERE IN 40 YEARS, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

BUT I THINK IF THERE'S ENOUGH OPTIONS, I THINK THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THE COMMUNITY THAT WANTS THIS WANTS THIS TO HAPPEN.

I THINK ALL THE COMMUNITY WILL RALLY BEHIND IT AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

BUT LET'S FIND SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CREATE A HARDSHIP ON.

OTHER PEOPLE LET'S THINK IT THROUGH.

I THINK WITH MY CUSTOMER COMES IN WITH A COMPLAINT.

I LISTENED TO HIM.

IF I DON'T LISTEN TO HIM, HE'S NOT MY CUSTOMER ANYMORE.

HE DOESN'T TELL HIS NEIGHBORS.

IT DOESN'T TELL A FRIENDS.

AND I SEE EVERYBODY IN HERE AND I'LL PROBABLY SOLD A CAR TO EVERYBODY IN HERE.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR BUSINESS.

THANK YOU.

I DIDN'T MEAN I'D HELP.

I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY, BUT I'M SAYING LESS WORK.

I'M SAYING LESS WORK.

THIS THING REASONABLE.

IT'S NOT BE ARGUMENT ABOUT IT.

WHAT MR. BELL SAID COVERED EVERY BIT OF IT.

I HAD NOTES DOWN HERE TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND WORK THAT OUT.

BUT WHEN I WAS JUST DOING A LOT OF CANVAS IN THE DAY, BECAUSE I NOTICED IN LAST NIGHT PAPER, IT WAS ONLY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO HAD CALLED AND OBJECT TO THIS THING.

AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY, I GO, EVERY RESTAURANT I GOING TO EVERYWHERE I

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GO, THIS ALL THEY'RE JUMPING ON ME ABOUT IT.

SO I JUST TOOK, I TOOK IT, MADE A CALL, STARTED AT SOME STREET ON CALL AWAY ALL THE WAY OUT THERE.

I THINK WHEN YOU GOT THERE MANY PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING IT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AND LISTEN, I THINK WE DESERVE, I THINK THE PEOPLE THERE DESERVE TO BE, TO BE, UH, HAVE BE LISTENED TO AND TO LOOK AT IT AND NO ONE ELSE FAILS.

MAYBE WE'LL GO THAT WAY.

BUT I CERTAINLY THINK IT OUGHT TO BE SOME KIND OF NEGOTIATING AND MAKE IT WORK OUT FOR ALL PARTIES CONCERNED.

THANK YOU VERY CAREFULLY.

THE TIME ELEMENT I HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COST OF IT.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT WAS X AMOUNT OF YEARS, I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT TODAY.

I DON'T KNOW MY BOOKKEEPER DEVELOPMENTS AND FIGURES THAT SHE CALLED AND GOT LAST WEEK WHILE I WAS OUT OF TOWN.

SHE'S GOT 10 FORMS HERE FROM A COMPANY CALLED FA F F O N T Z S THE AUTOMATED DATA PROCESSING COMPANY, 10 FORMS, $200 PER FORM.

THAT'S $2,000.

SHE'S GOT ANOTHER THING HERE FROM THE, FROM THE BANKS THAT THE BANKS ARE NAN BANKS THAT WE DO BUSINESS WITH THAT CHEEK HERE.

I'M SORRY, HERE IT IS.

IT'S 84 FORMS HUNDRED AND TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS PER, PER, PER PIECE, WHICH WE JUST DID JUST A SHORT TIME AGO, $10,500.

AND IF THIS IS MANDATORY, I THINK, UH, MR. DANNY MADE US CALL ME ABOUT CHANGING OUR ADDRESS.

AND I SAID, DAMN, DAMN IT DON'T DO THAT.

AND DANNY SAID, JOE, YOU GOT TO, YOU WON'T BE ON THE 9 1 1.

AND I SAID, WELL, I'M GETTING OLD, BUT DON'T PUT ME, DON'T PUT ME ON ONE.

JUST LET ME STAY.

LIKE, HEY, HE SAID, WELL, I'LL TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

THE NEXT TIME HE DIDN'T CALL, HE HAD SOMEBODY TO CALL ME AND SAID, JOE, IT'S, WE'LL CHANGE IT TO 34 0 5.

HE SAID, UH, THEN HE BLAMED HER FOR BUILDING THE STREET OUT THERE TO CAUSE HIM TO DO IT.

SO I HAVE TO HAVE TO TAKE THE BLAME MYSELF, BUT I WILL SEE ANY REASON THAT WE CAN'T FIND SOMETHING.

I MEAN, HOW, HOW ABOUT THAT? HOW ABOUT IF THAT BOULEVARD WASN'T VIA? WHAT WOULD WE DO? I MEAN, GUYS, ALWAYS, WE CAN'T SHIP TOMORROW BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER DOESN'T FEEL WELL.

SHE DOESN'T COME TO WORK.

YOU CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY.

IT'S GOTTA BE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE CAN GET INTO.

I THINK WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO HEAR OTHER WORDS NEXT YEAR, TOM, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE COST WHEN EVERYBODY IS, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE PORTABLE OR NOT.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

I THINK THAT, I THINK, I THINK TODAY WHEN I READ THIS, I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN.

I CAME BACK TODAY.

I THINK WHEN I READ THIS IN THE PAPER TODAY, I PROBABLY PROBABLY RUBBED ME A LITTLE WRONG.

IT SAID THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN.

I'M SORRY, WHAT COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN PEOPLE THAT LIKED TO DO IT.

WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT.

BUT WHEN I SPOKE TO THREE PEOPLE AND THEY, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, GOSH, IT LOOKS LIKE ME.

THAT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY ART IN THIS PROPER PART OF THE COMMUNITY HERE.

I MEAN, I CAN'T SEE HOW THE FIRST LEAP FOR SOMETHING ON 40 ON ALL THESE PEOPLE CAN MAKE PUBLIC A HUNDRED ON THAT.

I JUST THINK IT DON'T HAVE SOMETHING ELSE IN LUBRIN LET ME HAVE A LIST RIGHT THERE, BLOCK IT OFF AND THEN START ON SOMETHING ELSE I NEED IN ORDER TO BE SOME OTHER WAY TO NEGOTIATE AND DO IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THINK OF TO DO IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S GOT TO BE DONE TODAY.

WHY DON'T WE PUT A STUDY, PUT A STUDY FOR US ON IT.

IF I CAN HELP, I'LL BE GLAD TO HELP.

UM, I'M CERTAINLY ABOUT AS POSITIVE A PERSON FOR NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS.

ANYBODY I SEE ANYWHERE AROUND HERE.

SO I'M NOT NEGATIVE AT ALL, BUT IT DOES AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THIS THING.

THEY HAVE ALL THIS STUFF CHANGED AND COMPUTERS CHANGED AND WHATEVER IT GOES WITH IT.

BUT I'D LIKE TO FIND A SUIT.

I'D LIKE TO FIND A SOLUTION TO IT.

I THINK IF WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION TO IT AND GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND DON'T WAIT AT ALL.

LIKE I DON'T LIKE BEDROOM AND LIVING WITH SOMEONE AWAY FOR 30 YEARS.

CAUSE I DON'T LIKE, FIRSTLY, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS, IS LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING.

BUT WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS THING WORK.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WHEN YOU SAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCESS, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT, I WAS, CAUSE I SPENT THE DAY ON THIS, THIS THE TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE REALLY WANTED.

I DIDN'T TRY TO PUT ANYTHING IN YOUR MIND.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH STEVE

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TEXTED.

REALLY.

IT HAD REALLY HELPED ME.

PEOPLE HAD REALLY CONTACTED.

I WONDER WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THAT'S WHY I GOT ON THE PHONE TODAY AND SPLIT MY DAY TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE I TRY NOT TO EVEN ENCOURAGE ANYBODY, ANYTHING I SAID, WATCH YOUR OPINION OF IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY YOU'D WANT TO CALL THESE PEOPLE.

LIKE I HAVE THEIR NAMES AND ADDRESS AND YOUR PHONE NUMBERS HERE, YOU CALL ANY UP AND THEN SEE WHAT THEY, WHAT I'M SAYING, THIS, THIS WASN'T SET UP.

IT WASN'T, UH, IT WASN'T, IT WAS DONE COMPLETELY ABOVE BOARD.

AND HONESTLY, ONLY THING CHEAPER THAT WAY.

LET'S DO SOME RESEARCH TO SEE IF WE CAN'T FIND SOMETHING ELSE THAT WILL WORK FOR HIM, LESS NEW THAN THAT.

CAUSE I JUST SEE TICK COMMUNITIES THAT HAS JUST DONE THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

CAROLYN A BOARD AS WELL, AN AGREEMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME TO A AGREEMENT.

AND I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT IS FOR OR AGAINST SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY ABOUT THE FIRST COMMITTEE WAS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE THEY WEREN'T ALL IN IT WEREN'T INVITED OR WHATEVER.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THAT IS OR HOW IT HAPPENED TO WHATEVER, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHERS DIDN'T SIR.

WELL, I THINK WHEN IT WAS HASTILY DONE, THE, YOU MADE A PRETTY GOOD STATEMENT THERE.

YOU SAID THE COMPLAINTS PROMPTED MAYOR TOM BAYLESS TO SAY THE DECISION SHOULD BE RETURNED NEXT WEEK SHOULD HAVE JUST DONE IT.

AND THEN, AND THEN TRY TO TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, WHAT CAN GET WORKED OUT ON THE THING SHOULD BE SOME AREAS HERE THAT DOESN'T AFFECT EVERYBODY OR SO MANY PEOPLE.

I'M SORRY, SO MANY BUSINESSES.

AND IF IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE ARE, WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY CANDIDLY.

ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SECOND ROAD ON THAT SIDE? MY NAME IS DONALD WHITLEY.

I RESIDE IN TRENTWOOD, BUT I'M A DENTIST AND I HAVE AN OFFICE ON CLARENDON BOULEVARD AND I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH.

SOME OF THE STATEMENTS HAD BEEN MADE CONCERNING THE ECONOMIC SIDE OF IT.

I AM A SMALL BUSINESS TO SELL AS MANY BUSINESSES ALONG CLAIRE IN THE BOULEVARD ARE, UM, I JUST WANT TO SPEAK OUT IN OPPOSITION TO RENAME AND CLARION CLARENDON BOULEVARD TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN CLARENDON BOULEVARD.

JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

UM, ONE JOE MENTIONED IN TERMS OF COMPUTERS, WE ARE IN A COMPUTER AGE AND UH, JUST FOR A POINT OF REFERENCE OR POINT OF CONSIDERATION, UH, IN, UM, UH, WRITING OUT THE NAME OR TYPING OUT THE NAME OF AN ADDRESS.

UH, MOST COMPUTERS HAVE A CERTAIN FIELD SIZE THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE STREET NAMES.

AND, UH, JUST AS A POINT OF, UH, MO OF MATH, THE SPACES REQUIRED FOR CLEARING THE BOULEVARD ARE 14 AND MOST SOFTWARE WILL ACCOMMODATE 14 SPACES AND THEY FIELD FOR AN ADDRESS.

UM, DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING JR BOULEVARD IS 32 SPACES.

AND SO IT'S A MINOR HARDSHIP, BUT IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF THE COMPUTER AGE THAT WE'RE IN.

UM, I DON'T OWN CLARE IN THE BOULEVARD.

I DON'T OWN ANY STREET OR ANY BUILDING IN NEWBURN.

THEY BELONG TO US ALL.

I AM A BUSINESS PROPERTY OWNER ADJACENT TO FARE IN THE BOULEVARD AND IT DOES AFFECT ME IN THAT REGARD.

UM, BUT THERE ARE, UH, STEVE HICKS MADE IN MY ESTIMATION, UH, THE BEST ARGUMENT AGAINST RENAMING CLARENDON BOULEVARD AND HIS FIRST STATEMENT WHEN HE SAID THERE ARE SO MANY BUSINESSES ALONG CLARENDON BOULEVARD, AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO BUSINESSES IN TERMS OF CHANGE.

UM, THE THREE OPTIONS THAT WERE MENTIONED, THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, THE BYPASS RENAMED NAMING RENAMING, THE BYPASS SECTION AND THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE EXPLANATION FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER BECAUSE IT INVOLVES COUNTY AND CITY GOVERNMENTS, UH, IS CLEARLY UNDERSTANDABLE WHY THERE MIGHT BE SOME STRUGGLE TO RENAME OR TO NAME THAT FACILITY AFTER DARDEN, DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING.

UM, AND SO OF THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS, IN MY OPINION, THE BYPASS SEEMS TO BE THE MOST FEASIBLE.

I AM CURIOUS OR WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THE REPORT.

I WOULD LIKE TO AT SOME KNOW WHAT THE OTHER POSSIBILITIES WERE THAT WERE ELIMINATED FROM RECOMMENDATION BY THIS COMMITTEE, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF KNOWING WHAT THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS WERE.

AND I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE REPORTS, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE OTHER OPTIONS POSSIBLY ARE.

AND SO PLEASE ADDRESS THAT IN YOUR CONSIDERATION AND, AND, UH, EXAMINE WHAT THE OTHER POSSIBILITIES ARE.

I AM NOT AGAINST HONORING DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.

IN NO FORM OR FASHION, ALMOST EVERY COMMUNITY ACROSS OUR COUNTRY HAS DONE.

SO, AND I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO NEWBURN DOING THE SAME, BUT AS I SAID, I DON'T OWN CLARENDON BOULEVARD.

I DON'T OWN THE BYPASS, UH, THE CONVENTION CENTER OR ANY OTHER POSSIBLE

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MONUMENT TO DR.

KING.

IT BELONGS TO US ALL.

AND SO WHATEVER IS CHOSEN TO RECOGNIZE HIM WILL BE A RECOGNITION FROM NEWBURN PROMISE HALL.

AND SO PLEASE CONSIDER THE OTHER OPTIONS IF YOU WILL.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS SIMON WITHERS OF 1621 CONCOURSE STREET, NEWBURN.

AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE NEWBORN ALUMNI CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY CONCERNING THE RENAMING OF CLARENDON BOULEVARD TO MARTIN LUTHER KING JR BOULEVARD, DELTA SIGMA, THETA PUBLIC SERVICE SORORITY SUPPORTS THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS A VALUABLE ASSET TO OUR NATION AND THE WORLD, AND DESERVES TO BE HONORED BY THE RENAMING OF ONE OF THE ROADWAYS, WHICH IS THE CORE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE SEEN TWO GENERAL REASONS AS TO WHY THE STREETS SHOULD NOT BE RENAMED.

FIRST OF ALL, THE LOCAL BUSINESSES DO NOT WANT TO INCUR THE EXPENSE, BUT I CHARGED THEM TO EVALUATE THE SMALLER AMOUNT OF EXPENSE, WHICH THIS WOULD COST AS OPPOSED TO THE MANY ETHNIC GROUPS THAT SUPPORT THEIR BUSINESSES.

SECONDLY, MANY FIELDS THAT LOCAL HEROES SHOULD BE HONORED.

FIRST IN THE SECOND JOURNAL ON SUNDAY, MAY 24TH IN THE FORUM, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB FOR PART OF THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA.

BUT I SUGGEST THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS DR.

KING'S PLATFORM WAS NOT A BENEFIT FOR SOME, BUT FOR ALL THE NATION, DR.

KING TAUGHT HIS FOLLOWERS TO INTERACT WITH THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS PEACEFULLY.

AND NON-VIOLENTLY THAT WE AS A NATION MUST TREAT ALL RACES WITH RESPECT, BY LOOKING AT THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER, NOT THEIR SKIN COLOR OR DIFFERENCES.

IS THIS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL FOLLOW TO SEE HOW TIMELY DR.

KING'S MESSAGE IS? WE NEED ONLY TO PICK UP A NEWSPAPER AND SEE WHAT IS OCCURRING IN SPRINGFIELD, OREGON, PEARL, MISSISSIPPI, OUR JONESBOROUGH, ARKANSAS, OUR CHILDREN ARE BECOMING VIOLENT AND HARD-HEARTED AND DR.

KING PREACHED THAT WE MUST CONFRONT OUR PROBLEMS WITH NONVIOLENCE AND INTELLIGENCE.

IF OUR CHILDREN WILL FOLLOW THESE EXAMPLES, WE WILL NOT HAVE KIDS SCARED TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY FEAR THESE TRAGEDIES MAY COME KNOCKING AT THEIR DOOR.

SO YOU SEE HIS PLATFORM AND IDEALS BENEFIT ALL PEOPLE FOR HIS TIMELY MESSAGE AND HIS COURAGE, DELTA SIGMA THETA STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE PROPOSAL TO CHANGE CLARINET BOULEVARD TO MARTIN LUTHER KING JR BOULEVARD.

NO INDIVIDUAL IS MORE DESERVING.

AND THIS AMERICAN HERO TO BE HONORED IN SUCH A MANNER ON BEHALF OF DELTA SIGMA, THETA SORORITY.

I APPEALED TO THIS COMMITTEE TO DECIDE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THANK YOU.

THAT WAS CITIZENS.

I'VE ALWAYS BRAGGED ON NEWBURN AS BEING MY HOME OF LIBERAL CO-OPERATIVE PEOPLE.

I AM WONDERING IF THERE ARE ANY PEOPLE OUT THERE, ANY OF YOU WHO KNOW HOW CLARIDON AT BOULEVARD GOT ITS NAME.

HE WAS JUST THE QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO THROW OUT.

I'M WONDERING IF THE STREET, UH, THE BOULEVARD RENAMING JUST STEMS FROM YOUR SUPPLY OF ADVERTISEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.

IF SO, I'M THROWING THE QUESTION OUT.

HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU TO RE DO I HAVE THE STATIONARY OR WHATEVER IS CONCERNED DONE? NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD JUST JUMP UP

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AND STAY WITH CHANGING THE NAME.

NOW IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE CUTTING OFF THE ROUTE TO THE BUSINESSES.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE CHANGE ROUTES AND THAT LEAVES THIS BUSINESS OVER HERE, AND PEOPLE BYPASS IT, BUT RENAMING A BOULEVARD.

JUST ANOTHER NAME MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO GET YOUR BUSINESS STRAIGHT, LIKE A STATIONAIR AND THE SIGNS UP TO THE BILLINGS AND EVERYTHING.

BUT THIS IS MY FEELING.

I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN SAY NO.

WE CAN THINK AND SEE HOW WE CAN GET THOSE THINGS DONE WHEN WE CAN GET THEM DONE.

AND WHAT THE NAME MEANS.

I DARE SAY THAT TWO OR THREE, IF TWO OR THREE, THAT COULD TELL ME NOW WHY FLOWERED ON BOULEVARD HAS BEEN NAMED CLAREN BOULEVARD.

NOW NEWBURN IS ANOTHER CITY.

I WAS BORN HERE, RED HERE WORKED HERE, WORKED ON CITY BOARDS AND WHATNOT.

SO I THINK WE CAN SOLVE THIS THING IN A VERY, VERY CALM WAY.

DON'T SAY NO, LET'S SEE HOW MUCH WORK IT TAKES TO GET WHAT WE WANT DONE.

BUT DEFINITELY DON'T SAY NO.

AND THINK ABOUT WHY IT'S NAME, WHAT IT IS NOW, WHY WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE.

OF COURSE, I READ WHERE THE REASON, ONE REASON THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE TO WHOM IT CONCERNS THAT IT WAS, WOULD UPSET THE PAPER WORK THAT YOU HAVE AND THINGS OF THAT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO THINGS, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY NO.

I STILL SAY THAT I WOULD THINK ABOUT IT AND TO WHOM IT CONCERNS, SEE WHAT IT DO, ANY HARM, IT DOESN'T REROUTE THE BUSINESS.

WE STILL HAVE THE SAME PATH.

SO PLEASE, THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED, GIVE IT A CONSIDERATION, SEE HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO DO IT.

AND LET'S DO IT.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT ROAD? MINUTE BREAK DISCUSS.

WELL, AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION, UH, NOBODY ELSE ON THE WAY UP ON THE POINT ON THE RIGHT MR. MAYOR GENERALLY GENERATED LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND GENTLEMEN OF THE BULLET, YOU KNOW, UM, I'VE BEEN SITTING BACK THERE LISTENING TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMEN, TALKED ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL, THEY TALKED ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CALL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CALL THEM OUT THERE.

THEY SAY THEY DID, BUT THEY NEVER TOLD YOU ABOUT A TAX WRITE OFF.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HIT BENDED, THERE IS AN ITEM THAT YOU COULD TAKE AS TAX WRITE UP.

NOW, THEN IF THERE IS A LOGICAL SOLUTION, IT CAN BE READ.

THEY CAN BE READ.

AND THE INHALANTS, THIS SITUATION, WE SUGGESTED THIS, WOW.

UM, THE COMMITTEE NOW I WAS PART OF THE COMMITTEE, THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTED, APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND TO S TO SUGGEST ANYONE SUGGESTED THAT I'VE TAKEN PART IN A SHADY UNDERHAND DEAL.

IT'S A LIAR.

I'M NOT THE TYPE PERSON.

I'M A UP

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IN A BOOK.

BOY, MAN, I WILL NOT LIE FOR MONDO.

THE KING OF NOBODY.

YEAH.

SO TO COME HERE IN THE STATE THAT I'M A PART OF THEIR EARLY HEAD IS WRONG.

I GET TO YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN ELEMENT IN THIS TOWN.

IF WE GO OUT ON CLARITY BOULEVARD NAMED IMMEDIATELY MARTIN LUTHER KING MEDIA, NO, THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT, THEN MY BIBLE TELL HER, TELL HER TO COME.

LET US REASON TOGETHER.

REASON.

NOW WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO REASON.

THE THING OUT WE MET WITH THE BULLET SHOVEL OCCASION, WE PART OF THE BLUE RIVER COMMITTED A CROSS SECTION OF ME AND FROM THIS CITY HONORABLE PEOPLE.

AND THEY'RE THE ONE WHO CAME FORWARD AND SAID, WE SUGGEST TO YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT WE NAMED BARTON CLAN CLAN BOULEVARD.

SO SOMEONE ASKED HIM WHO IS CLAPTON BOULEVARD, WHO IS CLEVER, CLEVER.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHO CLARA? I BELIEVE IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO'S LORD.

NOW THAT MARTIN LUTHER KING WITH A VERY DISTINGUISHED, A MARRIED.

AND YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT HERE YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE SOME LORD.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT WHEN YOU TELL ME, BUT ALL THESE OTHER PROBLEMS, IT'S A MATTER OF STATIONERY.

OKAY? WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME AND DEAL WITH THAT.

WE SUGGESTED THAT THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE SUGGESTED THAT WE GIVE YOU EIGHT MONTHS NOW THAT IF YOU CAN DEAL WITH THAT IN EIGHT MONTHS, YOU GET A TAX WRITE OFF, YOU HAVE A TAGLINE.

DID ANYBODY EVER TELL YOU THAT? NO.

THEY TELL YOU ABOUT ALL THE MONEY.

THEY LOSE IT.

LIMITATION.

NOW, LISTEN TO ME.

GOOD.

WE ARE IN AN, IN TO A NEW MILLENNIUM.

WHAT'S THE BRIDGE COMPLETED CLARE.

THE BOULEVARD IS COMPLETED AND OUR CONVENTION CENTER HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND ALL THE INFLUX OF PEOPLE COMING TO NEWBURGH.

I WANT THOSE PEOPLE TO GO BACK HOME AND TELL THEIR CHILDREN, THEIR CHILDREN I'VE BEEN TO A TOWN, BUT THEY DARE NOT DREAM.

I'VE BEEN TO NEW, BUT NORTH CAROLINA, THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT ROAD AND MAYOR, UH, MIMICS SUGGESTING A COUPLE OF THEM, FORGOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE NAME ADDRESSES, PLEASING JOHN JENKINS, A 38 85 RURAL ROAD, ADVANCED BERG.

I WOULD LIKE TO KILL ON THEM TO GOD PULLEYS.

THE FIRST MAN, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HONOR TO GOD, THE MAYOR HONOR, AND THE GOOD CITIZENS WE HAVE TONIGHT.

I PAINTED A GREAT PLAN FOR WHAT THE ORDER AND THE MAIL, AND NOW NACP BLACK MAN OPTIMIZATIONS THAT HAVE EVEN BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE THE COUNTY OR THE CITY OR NEW FOR BOTH.

AND TO TRY TO GET IT PAST NEVER IN MY DAY, DID I THINK I WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE BANDED UP EMPTY, BOTH YOU ALL.

SO IT'S A PLACE THAT THEY JUST BOUGHT IT UP.

SO WE ALL HAVE TO WAIT MIGUEL, ON THIS DEMO, CREDITS ASIDE, WE HAVE ARRIVED TO DISAGREE AND AGREE.

SO LET'S TRY TO ASK GOD TO MAKE THE THING OUT FOR THE RIGHT WAY.

AND I WISH IN MY DAY THAT I WISH THAT I COULD SEE SOMETHING IN NEW WOODVILLE.

THAT IS GREAT.

A NAME IS MARTIN LUTHER KING TO BE PUT ON RECORD IN PUBLIC FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT? NO, MA'AM MY NAME IS THOMAS BROWN.

I RESIDE AT 3,109 MADISON AVENUE.

I THINK THAT THE, UH, BOARD OF I DID A GREAT JOB.

IT WAS SAID TO BE HASTY.

YES, IT WAS A HASTY DECISION, BUT I THINK IT WAS A GREAT DECISION IN THE WORDS OF DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING,

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HE SAID THAT YOU CANNOT STOP AND I DEAL WHOSE TIME HAS COME.

SO I THINK THAT CLARITY AROUND BOULEVARD BEING, NOT IF IT ALREADY HAS BEEN RENAMED TO MY KNOWLEDGE, SINCE THE VOTE WAS MADE, I NEVER HEARD A VOTE BEING RESCINDED TO CHANGE IT BACK TO CLARA.

NO.

SO OFFICIALLY IT IS ALREADY DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD.

I THINK THE PAPERS MISTAKE THINGS, AND SOMETIMES THE NEWS MAYBE GET THINGS WRONG.

JUST LIKE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN ABOUT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND ABOUT THE, UH, THE TELEPHONE COMPANY I WAS HERE THE NIGHT WHEN THE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN.

AND HE WAS JUST SAYING THAT THEY SAID THE TELEPHONE COMPANY SAID THAT WOULDN'T BE NO PROBLEM FOR NOVEMBER TO, YOU KNOW, GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

IF THEY HAD THE INFORMATION, THE POST OFFICE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD.

AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WOULD DO EDIT, HAVE TO EVERY EFFORT TO DO WHAT THEY COULD, THAT WASN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT THEY WAS CONDONING IT.

SO THE INFORMATION WAS GOING OUT WRONG.

HALF OF THE PEOPLE THAT I SEE THE NIGHT, I HADN'T SEEN HIM BEFORE I BEEN COMING OUT.

YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SINCE, SINCE THIS IDEA HAS COME UP AND I HAVEN'T SEEN HALF OF THESE PEOPLE DOWN HERE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT EXPERIENCE AND A GREAT COST.

YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE, YOU KNOW, UH, CORNELL WEST WROTE A BOOK CALLED RACE MALES, SEE RACE AS A TOUCHY SITUATION.

AND WE DON'T LIKE TO DEAL WITH RACE, BUT RACE DOES MATTER BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WHO MOST OF THE, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT'S FOR IT IS A ONE ETHNIC BACKGROUND AND THE OTHERS THAT ARE AGAINST IT.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SO RACE MATTERS NOT TO YOU ALL BECAUSE Y'ALL HAD DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB.

AND Y'ALL HAD BEEN VERY TOGETHER ON THE SITUATION TO LISTEN TO EVERY, EVERY, EVERY, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO DRAG IT OUT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE EVERYONE OPPORTUNITY TO COME DOWN HERE AND SAY THEIR PIECE.

SO I THINK A GOOD JOB HAS BEEN DONE.

SO, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ALL THE FILIBUSTER AND THINGS THAT HAPPENED AND ALL THE CONVERSATION THAT'S GOING ON, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE IT.

WE CAN COME DOWN HERE TONIGHT TO GET A VOTE.

WE COME DOWN HERE TO GET THE FINAL DECISION WE COME DOWN TO HERE, THE FINALIZED.

SO, BUT TO ME, I LEAVE YOU WITH THE STORY OF LITTLE JOHNNY NOW, LITTLE JOHNNY, WASN'T A VERY GOOD YOUNG KID, BUT LITTLE JOHNNY WAS IN SCHOOL.

AND HIS TEACHER KEPT TELLING HIM LITTLE JOHNNY SIT OUT AND LITTLE JOHNNY KEPT GETTING UP AND SHE SAY, LITTLE JOHNNY, SIT DOWN AND GO TO JOHNNY, KEPT GETTING UP.

SO SHE GRABBED WITH JADA AND PHYSICALLY SITTING DOWN AND SAY, LITTLE JOHNNY.

I TOLD YOU TO SIT DOWN.

AND I MEAN, IT AND LITTLE JOHNNY LOOKED AT THE TEACHER AND SAID, MS. TEACHER, YOU MAY SIT ME DOWN PHYSICALLY, BUT IN MY MIND, I'M STILL STANDING UP.

SO EVEN IF THE BOARD VOTED AGAINST CLARIDON BOULEVARD, BEING DR.

MONTEITH CAME AND A LITTLE BOY, IF WE DON'T GET IT, YOU MAY PHYSICALLY TAKE IT AND TECH AND NOT CHANGE IT.

BUT IN MY MIND, IT'S STILL DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD A VOTE TO RESCIND THE VOTE THAT MADE IT, DR.

MARTIN LUTHER PULL THE BALL.

AND I THINK GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN AND CITIZENS.

I'M HELEN ADAMS. I LIVE AT 9 0 9 BRUNCH STREET.

I STAND TO VOICE MY OPINION CONCERNING DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS A NON VIOLENCE MAN.

HE WAS CRYING.

HE WAS INTELLIGENT.

HE WAS NOTABLE AND GENEROUS TO ALL MANKIND TOGETHER.

WE STAND DIVIDED.

WE GO UNITY.

AS YOU KNOW, MUST BE AT THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAN.

IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHAT WE DO, BUT A SHOE IS A LOT TO THE WAY WE DO IT.

IT'S NOT SO MUCH.

AND WHAT WE SAY, BUT A SHOE IS A WHOLE LOT TO WHAT WALK RECEIVE.

WE MUST FOREVER KI DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING'S DREAM ALIVE.

WE MUST NOT LET IT DIE.

HE WAS AN IMPORTANT MAN TO THE ENTIRE WOMB.

HE WAS FOR EVERYBODY I AM FOR CLARATON BOULEVARD IT TO BE NAMED AFTER DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNE.

THANK YOU.

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OKAY.

I GUESS THE LAST, ANYBODY ON THAT SIDE PERIOD, I CAN'T EVEN SEE MY NAME IS RUFUS GASKINS.

I AM PROPERTY AT 19 0 2, 4 AND SIX CLARENDON BOULEVARD.

I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 19 AND 62.

UH, I WAS OUT THERE.

I THINK I WAS THE THIRD BUSINESS ON PAIRING THE BOULEVARD.

AND IT WAS JUST AFTER IT WAS MADE CLEAR IN THE BOULEVARD.

I SOLD HAMBURGERS.

AND I THINK A LOT OF YOU MIGHT'VE EATEN SOME OF MY HAMBURGERS.

I HOPE SO.

ANYWAY, I GRADUATED WITH OUR AWARD.

I WAS LOOKING AT OUR ROSTER OF GRADUATION.

SO I'VE BEEN IN THE HAVE A NORMAL LIFE.

I WAS BORN OVER HERE ON THE CORNER OF EAST, FRONT AND SOUTH FRONT STREET, 75 YEARS AGO.

AND THIS IS MY HOME.

BUT WHEN I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY OUT THERE AND BUILT MY LITTLE HAMBURGER PLACE THERE, UH, I HAD THE FIRST HAMBURGER PLACE IN NEWBURGH.

THERE WAS NO MCDONALD'S NO HARDEST.

I ENJOYED A VERY WONDERFUL AND SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.

ENJOYED IT.

NEWBURN HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME.

CLARENDON BOULEVARD HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME.

UH, WE HAD MAYBE THREE MORE BUSINESSES ON CRAFTON BOULEVARD.

WHEN, WHEN I STARTED OUT THERE, I WATCHED ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE COME.

AND, UH, SO I, UH, I THINK THE CROWD, THE BOULEVARD THOUGH, IS IT'S SOMETHING THAT A PART OF IT BELONGS TO ME BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY BUSINESS IS.

THAT'S WHERE MY PROPERTY IS.

I DID NOT ACTIVELY OPERATE A BUSINESS OUT THERE AT THIS TIME, BUT I RENT TO OTHER PEOPLE.

AND, UH, I DON'T FIND ANY OF THEM.

THAT'S IN, IN FAVOR OF THIS CHANGE, UH, NOTHING WRONG WITH HONORING THIS GENTLEMAN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, THE, UH, THE DOZENS OF BUSINESSES AND THOUSANDS OF CUSTOMERS OF THOSE BUSINESSES SHOULD BE INCONVENIENCED, UH, BY THIS CHANGE.

AND, UH, AS MR. ALPER STATED, I HAVEN'T FOUND ANYBODY, A BUSINESS OUT THERE WHO LEARNS PROPERTY OR RUNS A BUSINESS OUT AS RUNNERS IS IN FAVOR OF THIS SAYING, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED ON THE INCONVENIENCE THAT IT'S CAUSING US.

UH, I DON'T RECOGNIZE ALL THESE PEOPLE IT'S I SPOKE HERE FOR THIS CHANGE, BUT I DON'T RE I DON'T SEE ANY OF THEM THAT OWNS A BUSINESS OUT THERE OR, OR ANY PROPERTY OUT THERE THAT I KNEW OF.

THERE MAY BE SOME OF THEM.

SO I THINK THAT THIS IS A MATTER OF TAKING SOMETHING FROM ME AND GIVING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, AND I OBJECT TO IT ON THOSE GROUNDS.

AND I THINK THAT TO BE FAIR WITH IT, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF A POLL FROM THE PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY AND RUN BUSINESSES OUT THERE I'M WORTH MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE HAD, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY HAD BEEN TREATED FAIRLY ABOUT THE SAME.

I HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU PEOPLE HERE, SINCE THIS MATTER STARTED, UH, ALL I COULDN'T GET TO ALL OF YOU, BUT I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF YOU AND EXPRESSED MY FEELINGS.

I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, BUT, UH, IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH HONORING DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING.

HE WAS A VERY HORRIBLE MAN AND DESERVES TO BE HONORED, NO DOUBT, BUT NOT AT THE INCONVENIENCE OF SO MANY PEOPLE.

IT MUST, THERE MUST BE A WAY OF DOING IT SOME OTHER WAY.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE ON THE LEFT SIDE OR THE AUDIENCE? OKAY.

THE MAYOR ALDERMAN AND ALL THE WOMAN NOT GOING TO BE ALONG.

I JUST WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS TO GET IT OFF.

MY CHEST ARE FLAT AND BOULEVARD.

A BEAR NAMED MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD WOULD BE A GREAT HONOR.

WE REALIZED THAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT AND WE STARTED OFF ROUGH, BUT WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCEDURES AS FOLLOWS.

WE THOUGHT AND THINK THAT WE DID WELL IN DOING THAT RIGHT.

AS FAR AS WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT CROWDER BOULEVARD, CLOUD AND BOULEVARD, LAYING OUT, THEY USED TO BELONG TO MY GRANDPARENTS, THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR TO ME, WHEN THEY WIDENED THE HIGHWAY, MY GRANDPARENTS RECEIVED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO WIDEN THAT HIGHWAY.

I HAVE ROOTS OUT, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE ANY LAND OUT THERE.

AND SOME OF US HAVE A BUSINESS OUT THERE AND A LOT OF US DO NOT, BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE AT THIS TIME.

WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THERE.

AND I JUST

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LIKE TO SAY THAT I DIDN'T COME UP HERE TO DO A LOT OF TALKING, BUT I HAD TO SAY SOMETHING, THANK YOU.

I'M GONNA BUY YACHTS ON THE LEFT SIDE, ANYBODY ON THE RIGHT SIDE, I'M SUPPOSED TO BE WEARING BIFOCALS.

UM, CHARLES ASHFORD, ONE 11 VERN HIRSCH ROAD.

UM, MR. MAYOR AND BOARD HAS A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE.

I HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE.

UM, AND I'D BE QUICK TO SAY THAT STEVE HICKS DID AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND THE BOARD AND THE CITY, THE MEETING, THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMITTEE WAS, WAS, UH, AN EFFORT WAS MADE TO MAKE IT, UH, GLOBAL IN NATURE.

IT MAY NOT HAVE TURNED OUT THAT WAY.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT I KNOW THE MEETING WAS CONDUCTED PROFESSIONALLY BY TWO PROFESSIONALS.

THE MEETING WAS OPEN, NO ONE CAME THERE PRESENTING ANY AGENDA.

WE LOOKED AT MANY ALTERNATIVES AND I CAME AWAY FROM THAT MEETING, LEARNING THAT THE LEADERSHIP OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN NEW BERN FEELS VERY, VERY STRONGLY THAT DR.

KING DESERVES A SIGNIFICANT MEMORIAL.

UH, NOT A, NOT A LITTLE AREA ON A BYPASS, NOT EVEN THE EXIT FROM PEMBROKE ROAD, BUT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COME TOGETHER, WHERE PEOPLE SEE ONE ANOTHER FREQUENTLY WHERE RICH AND POOR COME TOGETHER, YOUNG AND OLD, BLACK AND WHITE.

UH, IT'S MY FERVENT BELIEF THAT IN A HUNDRED YEARS, 150 YEARS FROM NOW, DR.

KING WILL BE A REAL AMERICAN HERO.

I HATE TO THINK WHERE WE'D BE.

NOW, IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR THE LIFE OF DR.

KING TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT MEMORIAL FOR DR.

KING, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY.

IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE.

IT'S GOING TO BE TRAUMATIC, BUT NEWBURN HAS AN UNUSUAL HISTORY IN THE UNITED STATES, IN ITS HERITAGE, IN ITS CULTURAL AFFAIRS AND ITS RACIAL RELATIONS.

UH, WE'RE BEGINNING A NEW MILLENNIUM NOW, AND THIS MIGHT BE A WAY TO CONTINUE.

UH, THE MILLENNIUM OF THAT HAS BEEN HISTORIC IN THE PAST.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE ON THE LIGHT SIDE, MAKE SURE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK.

I REMEMBER THE BOARD.

NO.

I THINK THAT THE BUSINESS HAS MADE A VERY GOOD ARGUMENT WHEN THEY ARTICULATED, FIND OUT ECONOMIC COST AT THIS MAIN CHAIN CALLS, CALLS THEM.

AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE BUSINESS COST BECAUSE I'M A SMALL BUSINESS MYSELF.

AND EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TO BUY THEM STATIONARY CALLING CARDS, IT'S AN EXPENSE.

AND EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN WRITE THE EXPENSE, YOU WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE THE EXPENSE, BUT RATHER HELP SAVE THE EXPENSE THAT YOU PAY UP MORE PERSONAL INCOME.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE A TAX WRITE OFF EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS EXPENSE, THAT'S LESS INCOME YOUR HEALTH IF YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

AND SO I THINK THE BUSINESSES HAVE A VALID ARGUMENT.

HOWEVER, UH, I'M, I'M REMINDED OF THE FACT THAT, ALTHOUGH WE DID THIS HASTILY, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE ANY TYPE OF NOTICE AT ALL, BECAUSE I'VE DONE THIS, BUT WE GAVE MORE DUE PROCESS THAN WHAT THE CHARTER REQUIRES.

WE HELP, UH, ALLOW THE BUSINESSES TO COME TO EXPRESS THEIR, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT IT TO ACTUALLY BUILD AGAINST OR FOR NOTHING.

THE CLOWN ON BOULEVARD BEING REMAINED DR.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR BOULEVARD.

WE'VE HEARD THEM.

AND SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM TO SOME DEGREE, THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BOARD.

AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION CHANGING CLOUT ON BOULEVARD TO ML KING JR BOULEVARD, BUT MAKE ME EFFECTIVE DATE JANUARY 15, JANUARY 15TH, 2000 IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE BUSINESSES.

BECAUSE I THINK MR. BILL INDICATED AS A SMALL BUSINESSMAN THAT HE HAD HAD ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS LEFT ON HIS LEASE.

AND SO HE ORDERED ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS WORTH OF STATIONARY.

THIS WILL ACCOMMODATE HIMSELF AS WELL AS THE OTHER BUSINESSES.

I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ORDER STATIONARY.

THAT'S GOING TO LAST YOU

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FOR THE DURATION OF YOUR BUSINESS.

SO AS AN COMBINATION OF THEM, I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO DELAY IT A LOVE A YEAR AND, UM, AND MAKE THE EFFECTIVE DATE JANUARY 15TH, 2000.

AND I THINK THIS IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO AHEAD ON AND DO THIS TONIGHT.

AND THE REASON IS THAT I THINK WE WOULD BE INSULTING THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BY APPOINTING THEM AND HAVING THE MEMBERS COME FROM DIVERSE AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEN NOT ACCEPTING THEIR RECOMMENDATION AFTER THEY SPENT ALL THAT TIME ON MEETING AND WORKING TOGETHER.

AND, UM, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM AND SHOW THEM THAT THEIR WORK DIDN'T GO AND BANG.

WE TALKING WITH? I WENT UP AND THE DISCUSSION STAGE NOBODY'S MADE ANY EMOTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, OKAY.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ROBERT'S SUGGESTION IS ALL RIGHT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE US, UM, MAKE A DECISION FOR, WE'RE NOT PEOPLE WHO HAVE WISHY WASHY HAVE BEEN IMPLIED IN MEN, NOT PRESSURED OR CONTROLLED YOU SOUND.

AND I KNOW ALL OF YOU ARE NOT.

AND SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.

AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE BY SOME OF THE GENTLEMEN WHO HAD CONCERNS, WHERE THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS MEETING.

HADN'T HEARD OF IT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING.

AND I THINK THAT I'VE OVER THE FEW OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I MEAN, I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IT IN AFRICA, BY NOW SO MUCH PUBLICITY THAT HASN'T BEEN MADE IN REGARDS TO IT, EVEN THOUGH I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE CONCERNS OF BUSINESS PEOPLE FOR, I HAVE A BUSINESS MYSELF, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME EXPENSE INCURRED AND THAT IT MIGHT CAUSE YOU SOME PROBABLY PROBLEMS WITH THE DELIVERY AS WELL.

I I'M BOTHERED A BIT BY THE FACT THAT, UH, WHEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON A COMMITTEE THAT MADE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU DIDN'T CHOOSE TO BE.

AND THEN WHEN THE DECISION IS MADE, YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE INPUT.

NOW THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE YOUR INPUT AT THE TIME WHEN IT COULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE.

UM, I THINK THAT WE HAVE HEARD A LOT.

I LIKE THE, THE SUGGESTION THAT MRS. ADAMS MADE WHEN SHE ASKED THE QUESTION, HOW MUCH TIME, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU TO ADJUST IF YOUR CONCERNS ARE, UM, FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH ADJUSTMENT IS NEEDED.

SO RATHER THAN FOR ME TO SAY THAT THE YEAR 2000 IS A GOOD YEAR FOR YOU, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE COMMITTEE MEETS AGAIN.

I MEAN THAT, OF COURSE WE NAMED CHARACTER BOULEVARD AND MARTIN LUTHER KING BOULEVARD.

I FEEL THAT WAY.

I THINK I'VE STATED THAT MANY TIMES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO MEET AND MEET, TAKE THE INPUT OF THE, UH, BUSINESS PEOPLE IN CONSIDERATION AND DECIDE AT THAT TIME A RECOMMENDATION OF A EFFECTIVE DATE, RATHER THAN FOR US TO DECIDE THE EFFECTIVE DATE.

THAT'S SORT OF LIKE THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE TO ASSUME LEADERSHIP.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO BEAR THIS ISSUE THE NIGHT WE DON'T LEAVE THE PROLONG THIS MATTER.

I, I THINK THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, MOST OF THEM HAVE JOBS, MR. HEAD OF THE CHAMBER AND THAT'S OUT THERE OTHER RETIREES.

I THINK WE NEED JUST TO GET RID OF THIS ISSUE THAT NIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST BEEN LINGERING TOO LONG.

I THINK 2000 PROLONGS.

IT REALLY WHAT IT DOES, BUT IT MIGHT NOT, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA, 2000, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I COULDN'T JUST ARBITRARILY.

I THINK THAT I COULD SAY, I WOULD THINK 1999 WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION IN MY OPINION, BUT THEN IF THEY HAD, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER THAT MAY BE THE INPUT THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THE COMMITTEE CAN GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT.

AND MAYBE THE YEAR 2000 MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY SUGGEST, BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES THAT KIND OF INPUT.

THEY KNOW WHAT IT TAKES, HOW LONG IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ARGUE ABOUT, I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO JUST

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PUT THIS ISSUE TO RISKS, WHETHER IT PASSES OR NOT.

SO I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, THAT, THAT THE RESOLUTION, UM, ANYTHING CLOWN ON BOULEVARD TO MLK BOULEVARD EFFECTIVE JANUARY 15TH, 2000, YOUR DOCTOR.

OKAY.

WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS TO MYSELF.

YEAH.

I LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND SEE IF WE WOULD GET IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE LAST THING IS THAT I WAS ELECTED BY ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY, DO WHAT I THOUGHT, VERY BEST THING FOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO BEFORE I WENT.

AND 12 YEARS I'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

AND WITH THOSE, WITH THAT IN MIND, I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY AND I'VE DONE MY LEVEL BEST TO ALWAYS LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO MAKE A DECISION, I HAVE TWO BOYS PLAYING INSIDE OF ME, TELLS ME IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

THAT'S THE ONLY VOICE I CAN LISTEN TO.

THAT'S THE VOICE THAT I WILL LISTEN TO.

AND LET ME SAY ALL OF A SUDDEN, IN THE CASE OF ROBERT'S SUGGESTION IN THE YEAR 2000, IT'S KIND OF A STRANGE THING.

AND OUR, OUR WHOLE WORLD WAS A MATTER OF FINDING HER TONIGHT.

MAYBE YOU SEE SO MANY FIRES IN THE, IN THE, IN THE RAIN FOREST AND SO FORTH THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT A, WHAT A STRANGE, TERRIBLE THING IT WAS.

IT WAS GOING ON AROUND THE WORLD.

AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

WE ARE TURNING THE CORNER ON THE LAND 2000 METERS.

AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME BIG CHANGES IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

AND THEY'RE TAKING, TAKING PLACE AROUND THIS RIGHT NOW.

AND THE LAST THING WE NEED JUST TO NOT BE ONE THING, THAT'S THE LAST THING YOU CAN FLAT WILL BELIEVE IT DON'T HAVE IT LATER.

ANYTHING I'VE EVER SAID, BELIEVE THAT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU ALSO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND FOR THE MINORITY COMMUNITY EXACTLY WHAT MARTIN LUTHER KING REPRESENTED TO THEM STEAK KNIFE.

AND HE DID A LOT FOR ALL OF US.

AND THAT WASN'T EXACTLY RIGHT, BECAUSE WHAT HE DID WAS HE FULFILLED WHAT OUR CONSTITUTION PROMISED.

WE MIGHT PREDICTIONS RIGHT NOW, THE WOMEN COULDN'T EVEN VOTE UNTIL THIS THING, TIM, ALSO, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE DOES, I KNOW SOMEBODY THE OTHER DAY, WE LIVE IN A VERY YOUNG COUNTRY IN A SENSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK TO ME FROM SWITZERLAND , BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE STILL EVOLVING.

IT'S STILL GROWING.

AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO MAKE THAT PROMISE.

AND ALL OF THEM WAS CREATED INFLUENCE.

THOSE WILL COME TRUE AND WE WILL DO IT.

AND IT WAS SAID WHEN WE FORMED THIS .

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS ROBERT MAKE A MISTAKE IN THE YEAR, 2000, IF THEY WERE COMPROMISE, IT WOULD BE A COMPROMISE BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT DID THE PEOPLE AND THAT TYPE OF THING, AS IT IS IN MOST OTHER PLACES, IT BECOMES VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A SEPARATE SPOT COMMITTED FAMILY.

AND YES, WE HEAR ABOUT IN THE BUSINESSES.

OBVIOUSLY WE CARE ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, OUR BOARD WILL CONSIDER THAT NO, NOBODY THAT I KNOW OF MADE UP THEIR MIND BEFORE I MADE BOTH CLEVELAND MYSELF, BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE THE MOCKERY OF A PUB PERIOD.

IF YOU LISTEN TO ALL SIDES AND MAKE UP MY MIND.

SO THAT'S MY EMOTIONAL BARBARA SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO MAKE.

OR WHEN YOU GOT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, HAVE YES.

THE MOTION FOR 2000 JANUARY

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BUT THREE TIMES I'VE LOST TWICE, MAN.

I'VE LOST TWICE AND HILL.

THANK YOU GUYS.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M HER BOOK FOR? I'LL HAVE TO MAKE A MAN LATER.

OKAY.

NOT AT THIS TIME, SIR.

I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR, UH, ON ELECTRIC SERVICE BOARDS OR ASKED FOR THE MINORITY REPRESENTATIVE I MISSED THE PAT SIMMONS.

LEE WAS ASKED TO, TO, TO BE CONSIDERED IF IT'S ALL RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO MAKES THAT APPOINTMENT, BUT HE LIVES OFF A CONTENT THAT DOESN'T IT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'LL GET THE ADDRESS FOR YOU PAST.

YEAH, NO, NO, SIR.

I HAVE ONE THING IN A MISCELLANEOUS.

AND THAT WAS TO, UH, IN CASE YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN, MR. JASPER HAYES, WHO WE NAMED THE OMEGA CENTER AFTER PASSED THAT MONDAY ON.

AND WE WENT, WE NAMED THE CENTER THAT MONDAY NIGHT.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT HE DID.

AND THANK YOU AGAIN ON BEHALF OF THE ORGANIZATION FOR NAMING MAY I HAVE ONE ITEM? I PASSED OUT A COPY OF COPY OF TWO WILLIAM GRANT THEM AN EASEMENT.

SO TWO AND A HALF FEET.

I DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL I GOT THE TELEPHONES CALLS.

SEE IF THIS MORNING C H POPE,

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HE INDICATED THAT WOULD CALLING ME, CALLED ME AND ASKED THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE SECOND PART OF THE DISCUSSION CALL THE ROLL.

UM, ONE OTHER ALSO IS I DON'T WANT APPOINTMENT.

I BELIEVE ALL, PROBABLY TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT WANTING TO GET THIS BOARD RECOMMENDED FOR THE COASTAL RESOURCE THAT WAS ON THERE.

UH, NO ONE FROM, UH, IT'S THIS, THE NOMINATION THAT THIS BOARD WOULD PRESENT ALONG WITH OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO THE GOVERNOR WHO WOULD MAKE THAT APPOINTMENT.

IF HE WANTS TO SERVE FINE WITH ME, WE DON'T THINK OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT TIME, UH, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I HOPE YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED A COPY OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR HAVE BEEN DELIVERED.

LAST WEEK, WE HAD A SMALL POLICE OFFICER TO DELIVER ABOUT 400 WITH ALL THE BOOKS THAT WERE THERE ABOUT, I THINK HE DID A GOOD JOB, GETTING THEM OUT.

UH, I WANT TO GO OVER THIS MESSAGE TO YOU JUST BRIEFLY.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT VERBATIM, BUT I'LL JUST KIND OF COMMENT ON IT.

AS WE GO TO THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, THAT'S PRESENTED IS ALMOST $59 MILLION.

UH, AND THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT A 2.1% INCREASE OVER THIS PAST YEAR THAT WE'RE IN, UH, OF THAT, UH, 2.1%, $682,000, OTHER A BETTER 1%, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE, THE NEW DEBT SERVICE OR POLICE STATION FOR THE FIRE STATION AT THE UNION POINT IMPROVEMENT.

AND SO THE FACT THAT WE DID THAT, YOU TAKE THAT OUT.

THEN OUR BUDGET INCREASE THIS YEAR, PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 1%.

UH, AT 2.5% COST OF LIVING INCREASE IS RECOMMENDED FOR EMPLOYEES.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TRY AND IMPLEMENT A, UH, SAFETY INCENTIVE PROGRAM, WHICH WE WILL, UH, ALLOW THE EMPLOYEES TO COLLECT CERTAIN COUSINS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE EACH WEEK THEY DON'T HAVE AN ACCIDENT.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PERIOD OF TIME, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TURN THOSE IN FOR ITEMS OUT OF CATALOGS, SOMEWHERE IN DECEMBER TO GREEN STAMPS OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'LL GET, ALLOW THEM TO COLLECT SOME THINGS AND WE'LL PASS SOME OF THOSE BENEFITS THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING FROM OUR SITE WORKFORCE BACK TO THOSE EMPLOYEES.

UH, WHAT PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THAN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR IS THAT, UH, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION HERE THAT WE REDUCE ELECTIVE RATES FOR RESIDENTIAL USERS.

UH, THAT WILL BE THE RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE FOR A 1% REDUCTION FOR, UH, AT THE AVERAGE USER, WHICH IS 1200 KILOWATT HOURS THEN ANNOUNCED ABOUT $15 A YEAR.

UH, FOR THE AVERAGE USER, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE INCREASE THE LOAD MANAGEMENT CREDITS ON HOT WATER HEATERS FROM $4 TO $5.

SO IF THIS SAME PERSON WHO GOTTEN HIS 1% REDUCTION, WE'VE GOT THAT, UH, DID THAT, UH, PEAK LOAD MANAGEMENT.

THEY WOULD ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE ALMOST A 2% DECREASE IN THEIR ELECTRIC BILL OVERALL, UH, FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S NOTABLE BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE HAD AN INCREASE AT 92 AND NOW WE'RE DECREASING WHERE WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

A LOT OF BITS OF THAT CREDIT GOES TO THE TOURS BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS AND OTHER THINGS.

AND IF YOU HADN'T BEEN WILLING TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT, I'M GOT TO BE ON THIS BOARD AND GO BACK.

AND PROBABLY THREE MORE.

I GOT IT THAT REALLY STARTED THIS AND OVER THE YEARS HAS PAID OFF MORE AND MORE.

UH, WE'VE GOT A GREAT STAFF AND DONE A GOOD JOB IN MANAGING THINGS.

AND SO, AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO START READING SOME OF THE BENEFITS.

I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO SOME FURTHER REDUCTIONS RAISED, UH, ACID NEXT FEW YEARS AGO.

ON OF COURSE, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH, UH, WHEN WE GET INTO DEREGULATION, WHAT THAT'S GONE TRANSPARENT, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

UH, ELECTRIC WISE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER POSITIONS RECOMMENDED IN THE BUDGET.

UH, I THINK MAYBE FOUR POSITIONS ARE RECOMMENDING, UH, ONE ITEM OF INTEREST IS OUR DEBT THAT WE'RE CARRYING MORE IN GENERAL FUND OUR DEBT THIS YEAR WITH THE $7.5 MILLION THAT WE BORROWED FOR ALL THE

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FACILITIES.

THAT'S BRING US UP TO ABOUT $10.6 MILLION OF DEBT IN THE GENERAL FUND.

THAT'S PROBABLY AS MUCH AS WE REALLY WANT TO GO UP.

I THINK THAT OUR DIRECTION FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS SHOULD REALLY BE DOWN.

AND SO OUR PROJECTED DEBT THIS YEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE ABOUT 800,000.

THE DEBT WENT ON, PAY OFF WITH ABOUT 1.4 MILLION, 1.4 MILLION.

SO WE'LL REDUCE OUR DEBT BY ABOUT 600,000, THIS FISCAL YEAR IN THE GENERAL FUND.

UM, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CLINICALS AND OTHER ISSUES.

UH, AND I THINK WE CAN DEAL WITH THOSE.

SO FROM TIME TO TIME, THE BOARD'S GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT OVERALL POLICY.

I THINK OUR POLICY FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS AS A GENERAL STATEMENT, WOULD BE TO LOWER OUR DEBT, BRINGING THAT WELL UNDER OUR STATE LAW, WE COULD BORROW 80% OF OUR ASSESS VALUATION THIS YEAR.

I THINK OUR $50 MILLION.

SO THAT MEANS WE COULD PROBABLY BORROW ILLEGALLY ABOUT , BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD BORROW THAT MUCH WITHOUT BEING RUN OUT OF .

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND DO IS BRING IT BACK DOWN OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS WITH ALL THESE EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE, AND STILL UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE A FEW OTHER EXPENSES OUT THERE.

LET'S SAY I BELIEVE THAT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THE MAJOR EVENTS IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, AND YOU ALL HAVE THE DOCUMENTS I'VE SCHEDULED THE PUBLIC AREA.

AND IF YOU APPROVE OF THAT AND I'LL NEED A MOTION ON THAT CORPORATE PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 23RD, WHICH IS YOUR SECOND REGULAR MEETING, AND THAT VIDEO HERE, WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW PRIOR TO JULY 1ST, OR WE HAVE TO KNOCK THE PARTICULAR RESOLUTION AND ALSO WORKS AT MAY 30TH, WHICH IS A SATURDAY.

AND I BELIEVE I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE FINAL AGENDA ON THAT DONE YET, BUT WE'LL BE GETTING WITH YOU PROBABLY TOMORROW AND GOING OUT AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE SCHEDULED AND EVERYTHING'S ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL HAVE A REAL NEED HERE DOWNSTAIRS.

WE'LL BE HERE DOWNSTAIRS.

OKAY.

WHAT LEVEL? UH, THE, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THAT SATURDAY.

IT'S I WOULDN'T THINK I CAN KIND OF PAINT ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE NOW.

LIKE, UM, PROBABLY SATURDAY, TOMORROW AROUND 10 11 O'CLOCK WELL THEY'RE WHY ARE THEY GOING TO DO IT EITHER? OR I THINK THEY DID IT, THEY JUST SAID TO NOMINATE YOU, I SAID, OKAY.

OR YOU JUST WANT TO GET ME OUT OF TOWN AS OFTEN AS WELL.

I, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT.

AND, AND JUST TO TAKE ONE SECOND TO NO, TAKE A FEW MORE THAN ONE SECOND.

UH, I FEEL THAT I HAVE A BALANCED VIEW THAT WOULD WORK WELL ON THAT BOARD BECAUSE FOR THE LAST OIL FOR 20 YEARS, THAT I HAVE BEEN IN THIS END OF THE STATE AS A JOURNALIST, I'VE DONE AN AWFUL LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL STORIES, ET CETERA.

AND I'VE STILL GOT COPIES.

A LOT OF THEM FROM THE RALEIGH NEWS AND OBSERVER AND TAPES FROM CHANNEL SEVEN, ET CETERA.

WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND, I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO IS A LICENSED CONTRACTOR, A SON-IN-LAW IS A LICENSED CONTRACTOR, AND I HEAR THAT ASPECT OF IT.

SO THEY BOTH HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE NEED THE, WE NEED THE ENVIRONMENT PROTECTED, BUT PEOPLE DO NEED HOUSING AND SOME OF IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE COASTAL AREA.

SO I JUST THINK IT'S A, I HAVE A KIND OF A BALANCED VIEW THAT MIGHT BE A VALUE I, AND I'LL ASK YOU IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS HAS BEEN A FULL APPLICATION FOR THE COUNCIL PROJECT, WHICH IS A PRETTY GOOD INDICATION.

WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR GRANT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN MY DOCUMENTS.

WE NEED TO GET YOUR APPROVAL TO SUBMIT.

YEAH, PRIMARILY WHAT THIS IS IS, IS JUST A PRESENTATION.

IT'S THE PROJECT THAT, UH, I THINK, UH, UH, SUSAN MOFFIT, THOMAS AND OTHERS PRESENTED TO YOU PREVIOUSLY,

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AND YOU INSTRUCTED STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND PREPARE THE PRE-APPLICATION TO CAM, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL COUNCIL BLUFFS.

AND WE WERE REQUESTING $50,000 TOWARD THE COST OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, ALONG EAST FRONT STREET.

AND WE HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED, UH, THAT, UH, COMMA LIKES OUR APPLICATION.

THEY LIKED THE IDEA OF, UH, EXPANDING, UH, THE PROMENADE.

AND IN ONE DAY, SEE THE VISION OF, OF A COMPLETE WATERFRONT WALK FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO TRY AND PALACE.

SO, SO THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE AND, UH, HAVE ASKED US TO SUBMIT THE FINAL APPLICATION.

AND, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE INTEND TO DO.

AND I JUST LIKE TO SEE IF THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CONSIDERATIONS I'M GOING TO REQUEST A 50,000.

AND WHEN WE MET, UH, THERE IS A, UM, MANAGE THIS REQUIRED.

BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS GOING TO BE PRIVATELY FUNDED.

YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO BETWEEN OUR MONEY AND THE CONTRIBUTION, BUT MORE THAN TAKE CARE OF.

AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE GOOD.

WE HAD A MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REPEAT THAT THERE'S ONE MISSING LINK ON THAT WATERFRONT WALKWAY THAT HAS BOTHERED ME CONSIDERABLY, AND THAT'S BEHIND THE, UH, THE QUALITY COMFORT SUITES, EXCUSE ME, THE COMFORT SUITES AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS IT HAS ASSURED ME FREQUENTLY THAT ONCE HE SEES THAT WE ARE SERIOUS AND ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT WALKWAY WHERE THE OLD, WHERE THE OLD BRIDGE NOW EXISTS BEHIND THE, WHAT USED TO BE THE HOLIDAY INN.

HE WILL NOT PREVENT US FROM PUTTING ALL THE WAY BEHIND HIS BUSINESS, THE COMFORT SUITES.

SO I THINK THAT I MAY NOT LIVE TO SEE IT, BUT AT SOME POINT THAT WALKWAY WILL COVER THE ENTIRE NEWBURN WATERFRONT FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, PAST TRYON PALACE.

AND I THINK THAT IS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT THING FOR NEWMAN IN THE FUTURE.

DEFINITELY.

YEAH.

WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.

WAIT A MINUTE.

BEFORE YOU'RE DOING WOMEN, LET'S GET THIS DRINK.

I'M GOOD AT THIS.

SHE VOTED.

NO.

AND SHE SAYS SHE GOT OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S FINE.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR, SECRETARY SUE, HARDEST THING.