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GETTING A LITTLE BIT SLOWER
WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FATHER, THAT WE ABLE TO MEET ONE MORE TIME.
WHEREAS THE FATHER HAS A SPECIAL BLESSING FOR ALL OF US TONIGHT, FATHER IN THE MAIL THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO CARRY ON THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.
ALMOST PROBABLY LET THEM REALIZE TONIGHT FATHER, THAT ALL CITIZENS, IF SOMEBODY VERSUS FATHER, WE JUST THANK YOU FATHER FOR THE BLESSED YOU HAVE PLACED UPON NEW BERN.
BUT FUNNY AS WE LOOK AROUND NOW, THE CITY OF THE FALL, ALL THE PROBLEM THEY'RE HAVING FATHER, BUT YOU LET US BE A CITY THAT HAS BEEN DOING REAL GOOD.
BUT AS A FATHER, WE THANK YOU FATHER.
FOR ALL THOSE WHO WORKED SO HARD TO SEE THAT THE CITIZEN IS TAKEN CARE OF.
WHEREAS THE FATHER HELP US THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY THAT WE MAY MAKE THIS THE BEST COUNTY IN ALL 100 CAUSE OF THE NORTH CAROLINA.
WE HAD SOME, THESE OTHER BLESSING IN JESUS' NAME.
WE, UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION WITH THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING ON POLLOCK STREET WITH THE METAL DETECTORS IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD STOPPED BY TO WATCH US WORK AND ASK US WHAT WE WERE DOING AND TO EXAMINE THINGS WE FOUND.
AND I WANTED IT TO THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE TIME TO GIVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC AN IDEA OF THE KINDS OF THINGS WE WERE RECOVERING FOR A COLLECTION FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE FOUND THUS FAR, A LOT OF, UH, NOT A LOT, BUT A NUMBER OF OLD COINS, ENGLISH AND AMERICAN DATING BACK INTO THE 17 HUNDREDS.
WE HAVE A VERY LARGE MEDALLION OR METAL HERE ON ENGLISH, MEDALLION OR METAL.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY VARIOUS TYPES OF BULLETS, UH, BUTTONS BUCKLES AND OTHER THINGS.
PIPE BOWL, PIPE STEMS. THESE ARE PARTIALLY CLEANED.
THEY WILL BE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE WHEN WE WERE FINALLY THROUGH WITH THEM.
WE HAVE ONE UP HERE THAT STILL LOOKS THE WAY IT DID ON ONE SIDE WHEN WE FOUND IT.
AND THE BOTTOM PART HAS BEEN CLEANED OFF A LITTLE JUST TO SHOW THEM THE CONTRAST.
BUT I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO BE AWARE THAT WE ARE FINDING SOME VERY INTERESTING ITEMS IN THE CITY'S PAST AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO AT ANY SITE THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE TO US.
HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE A CASE BUILT BEFORE TOO LONG, AND THESE THINGS WILL BE ON DISPLAY FOR THE PUBLIC AND SOME EASILY ACCESSIBLE LOCATION.
PERHAPS THE VISITORS CENTER, SINCE THE LOBBY OF CITY HALL IS VERY SMALL.
THE CIVIL WAR HAS GOTTEN VERY LITTLE ATTENTION HERE IN NEWBURN COMPARED TO OTHER TOURIST ACTIVITIES.
AND TODAY I RECEIVED A FAX THAT, UH, IT WAS A FAX.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY EMAIL FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS VISITING NEW-BORN AND I WOULD LIKE TO READ IT TO YOU.
WE'RE PLANNING A TRIP TO YOUR AREA SOON.
I'M A CIVIL WAR BUFF, INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY OF THE BATTLE OF NEWBURN, MARCH 14TH, 1862 AND LATER ACTIONS IN AND AROUND NEWBURN IS THE NEWBURN BATTLEFIELD PRESERVE AS A PUBLIC PARK.
WHAT IS ITS CONDITION? IS THERE A VISITOR CENTER, INTERPRETIVE MARKERS? WHERE CAN I FIND INFORMATION ABOUT THE BATTLE OF THE BATTLEFIELD AND CIVIL WAR HISTORIC SITES? AND I JUST WANTED TO READ THAT BECAUSE I FEEL THAT WE ARE SADDLING NEGLECTING A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TOURIST ATTRACTION IN THE BATTLE OF NEWBURN.
THERE IS NOT ONE HISTORIC MARKER THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIND IN THIS COUNTY PERTAINING TO THE CIVIL WAR.
THERE ARE PLENTY FOR THE, OUR REVOLUTIONARY WAR IN THE HISTORY OF NEWBURN, BUT THERE IS NOT ONE HISTORIC MARKER.
AND WE STILL HAVE LARGE AREAS OF LAND TOWARD A MOREHEAD CITY, JUST OUTSIDE OF TOWN.
ACTUALLY, SOME OF IT NOW IN THE CITY WITH THE ANNEXATION OF TWO BURNETT AND EVANS MILL ON WHICH THIS BATTLE TOOK PLACE AND NOT ONE MARKER, NOT ONE HISTORIC SITE HAS BEEN PRESERVED.
AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY NEGLIGENT IN DOING THIS.
I'VE ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO INVESTIGATE THE POSSIBILITY OF US GETTING AT LEAST A HISTORIC MARKER ERECTED BY THE STATE ON HIGHWAY 70, WHERE THE LAW, WHERE THE MAIN BATTLE TOOK PLACE, WHICH WAS ADJACENT ON THE FAIRGROUNDS PROPERTY,
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ADJACENT TO THE FAIRGROUNDS AND IN THAT AREA.BUT I DID WANT THE PUBLIC TO SEE THE KINDS OF ITEMS THAT THEY ARE WALKING ON.
EVERY STEP THEY TAKE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, THIS, THIS MATERIAL IS EVERYWHERE AND NEWBURN AND IT'S JUST, OUR HISTORY IS JUST GRADUALLY DISAPPEARING.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO PRESERVE OUR CIVIL WAR HISTORY IN NUMEROUS.
WELL, WE DON'T PROMOTE TOO MANY BOWELS AND LOSE WEIGHT.
FIRST THING WE HAVE KNIGHT IS THE REQUEST AND PETITION EVERYBODY ON THE FRONT ROW.
I THINK WE'RE HERE TONIGHT PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, ALL OF THEM I'M HERE ON TONIGHT.
UH, COURSE I GUESS I SHOULD SAY MY NAME IS STEVE HICKS AND I'M WITH THE NEWBURN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BUT I'M HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING THE LORD NOOSE INITIATIVE.
AND WE HAD A KIND OF INFORMATIVE MEETING LAST FRIDAY, WHERE WE HAD ELECTED OFFICIALS AND INTERESTED CITIZENS FROM THE CIVIC COMMUNITY AND ALSO FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY THERE.
MR. MAYOR WAS TALKING, I LOCKED IT TO, UH, EXPRESS MY THANKS FOR MR. FREEZE, WHO WAS ABLE TO COME, UH, AS, UH, REPRESENTING THE ALDERMAN AND MR. MADISON, WHO WAS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER, ATTENDED THAT MEETING ALONG WITH A NUMBER OF COUNTY OFFICIALS AND, UH, FOLKS FROM HAVELOCK AND PAMLICO COUNTY AND, AND OTHER AREAS.
IT WAS A REAL INTERESTING MEETING AND WE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THIS AREA TO PAINT A VERY POSITIVE PICTURE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, TO ENHANCE THE ENVIRONMENT AND TO, UH, IMPROVE THE ECONOMY OF OUR AREA.
UH, AND I LIKE TO TAKE JUST A FEW MINUTES, UH, TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT.
SO ALL OF YOU CAN BE MORE INFORMED AND TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AS TIME GOES ON, WE'LL BE HAVING MANY MEETINGS, UH, THAT YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN SO THAT YOU CAN GET A REAL FEEL OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
I DID PREPARE, UH, UH, FOR YOU AND I, I HOPE IT'S THAT EACH ONE OF YOU A PLACE THERE.
SO I WON'T HAVE TO GO INTO ONE OF THESE LONG WINDED DISSERTATIONS THAT I KNOW YOU DON'T APPRECIATE.
UH, BUT THIS WILL TELL YOU VERY DISTINCTLY EXACTLY, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
UH, THE LAW NICE INITIATIVE IS AN IMPORTANT STRATEGIC PLANNING EFFORT FOR THE FUTURE OF THE LAW NOOSE REGION.
IT IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT THAT WILL BRING THE COMMUNITY GATHERED TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP TOWARD A COMMON GOAL.
AND THAT GOAL IS TO PROMOTE THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF ALL CITIZENS AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOWER NEUSE REGION, WHICH WILL INCLUDE CRAVEN AND PAMLICO COUNTIES.
THE AIM IS TO DEVELOP A PLAN TO BETTER EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE LOWER NOOSE REGION IN WAYS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO ATTRACT BUSINESS TOURISM AND RELOCATIONS TO THIS AREA AND ALL THAT.
WE MAY PROVIDE MORE JOBS AND A BETTER EDUCATION FOR OUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN, UH, WHO IS THE LOWER NEUSE INITIATIVE.
AND ACTUALLY, WHAT IS THIS GROUP ALL ABOUT WHERE THE LORD NIECE INITIATIVE IS A DIVERSE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS GOAL? UH, WE, UH, ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FORMING A COMMITTEE OF BUSINESS CIVIC AND GOVERNMENT LEADERS AND PRIVATE CITIZENS AND THE TWO COUNTIES.
UH, THE INITIATIVE IS AN INCLUSIVE GROUP THAT WILL SEEK INFORMATION FROM MANY AUDIENCES, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC, THE LAW AND USE INITIATIVE WOULD DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A STRATEGIC PLAN TO PROMOTE REGION AND TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.
THE RALEIGH OFFICER RUDER, FINN, A COMMUNICATIONS FIRM WHO BY THE WAY, WAS THE PUBLIC RELATIONS FIRM THAT WAS EMPLOYED BY THE PEPSI-COLA BOTTLERS.
THAT DOES SUCH A FANTASTIC JOB IN PROMOTING THE PEPSI CELEBRATION.
THAT WAS SUCH A SUCCESS HERE IN NEWBURN, JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK, UH, RUDER FINN, UH, WILL SERVE AS A CONSULTANT, UH, TO THE INITIATIVE BY CONDUCTING MARKETING RE MARKETING AND RESEARCH TO DETERMINE EXISTING PERCEPTIONS AND ATTITUDES TOWARD THE LOWER NEUSE RIVER, UH, AND THE LOWER NEUSE REGION.
UH, THIS RESEARCH WILL INCLUDE FOCUS GROUPS, INDIVIDUAL INTERVIEWS, AND TELEPHONE SURVEYS.
AS A RESULT OF THE RESEARCH ROUTE OF FAN WILL PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMITTEE FOR SHORT AND LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLAN TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH A CLEARINGHOUSE OF INFORMATION ON THE REGION.
WHEN THE PLAN IS COMPLETED, INITIALLY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL WORK TO IMPLEMENT THE TACTICS OUTLINED IN THE PLAN.
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HERE IS, IS REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, SOME COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER, TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO BE.UH, I'VE HEARD THE MAYOR SAY AT TIMES THAT THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE A MODEL CITY AND THAT WE SHOULD BE A MODEL COUNTY AND THAT THE FLOATS UP RIVER AND THE OTHER FOLKS AROUND US OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT US, UH, AT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN VERY PROGRESSIVE HERE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE, AND I WANT TO COMMEND THIS BOARD FOR SOME OF THE ACTION THAT YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TAKING RIGHT NOW AND TRYING TO RENOVATE YOUR WASTE TREATMENT FACILITIES AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING TO MAKE OUR PLACE A MUCH BETTER PLACE, PLACE TO LIVE.
UH, THESE DEDICATED CITIZENS AND LEADERS DO RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO INCREASE THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF VISITING AND LIVING AND WORKING IN THE LOWER NEUSE REGION.
THE INITIATIVE WAS CREATED TO DEVELOP AN INTEGRATED PLANNING PROCESS WHERE ALL SECTORS OF THE COMMUNITY PLAY AN ACTIVE ROLE IN DEFINING DIRECTION AND LONG-TERM GOALS.
WE ALL KNOW IF WE DON'T HAVE LONG-TERM GOALS TO WORK FOR, WE DON'T HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO FOLLOW.
WE CAN GO OFF IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
AND THE IDEA HERE IS THAT TO REALLY CREATE A UNITED COMMUNITY WHERE WE'RE ALL WORKING IN THE BETTER INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT IN FUTURE.
THE PARTNERSHIP DEVELOPED BY A LOW INITIAL WRITTEN INITIATIVE WILL RESULT IN SHARED RESOURCES THAT WILL HAVE A POSITIVE AND LASTING IMPACT ON THE REGION.
UH, WHEN I COME HERE, MOST OF THE TIME, YOU ALL KIND OF BRACE YOURSELF BECAUSE AFTER ONE OF THESE REALLY NICE SPEECHES, I ASKED FOR MONEY, WELL, THAT WILL COME SOONER OR LATER, I'LL SHARE YOU.
BUT TONIGHT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF WHAT THE INITIATIVE IS ALL ABOUT.
AND, UH, TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN CONTACTING A LOT OF THE PRIVATE, UH, INDUSTRY AND COMPANIES THAT ARE ACTIVE IN THIS AREA.
UH, WE'VE BEEN VERY IN, INVOLVED IN TALKING WITH, UH, PRIVATE, UH, FOUNDATIONS, UH, AND, AND FRANKLY, WE HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING RECOGNITION FROM THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA TO HELP US IN THIS, IN THIS PROJECT.
AND WHAT WE'LL DO NOW IS WE'LL BE GOING TO EACH AND EVERY MUNICIPALITY, UH, AND BOTH, UH, CRAVEN COUNTY AND PAMLICO COUNTY AND MUNICIPALITIES ALSO IN PAMLICO COUNTY.
SO WE CAN LIGHTEN THIS LOAD ON EVERYBODY, UH, AND TRY TO COME TOGETHER TO, UH, TO HAVE A PLAN THAT WE CAN ALL PARTICIPATE IN.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL GUIDANCE AND BEING ABLE TO PUBLICIZE HIS PLAN, TO LET PEOPLE KNOW SOME OF THE REAL POSITIVE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE IN OUR AREA.
AND, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS NOW, BE GLAD TO ASK, ANSWER THEM IF NOT, UH, PLAN TO GET WITH MR. HARMON AND TALK WITH HIM.
AND, UH, AND THE OTHER MANAGERS IN THE AREA TO SEE, UH, WHAT WOULD BE AN EQUITABLE AND REASONABLE AMOUNT THAT WE COULD EXPECT FROM EACH ONE OF THE INTERVIEWS.
BUT SO FAR THE, UH, THE ACCEPTANCE OF THIS HAS BEEN WONDERFUL, AND WE'VE HAD A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO TALK WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, TO WORKING WITH YOU AND LETTING YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE FUTURE.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL WORK THAT'S BEING TAKEN PLACE HERE.
I HAVE PEOPLE COME TO ME ALL THE TIME WHEN WE HAVE MEETINGS IN THIS AREA, AND I, I TEND TO AN AWFUL LOT OF THEM WELCOMING PEOPLE INTO TOWN, AND THEY'RE JUST AMAZED.
AND JUST AT ALL, REALLY OF HOW SUCCESSFUL, UH, THE ENTIRE CITY'S BEING, THE DOWNTOWN RENOVATION, ALL THE SCHOOLING OF OUT AROUND THE, THE, UH, THE MALL AND GLEN BURNIE AREA.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AMAZING THE PROGRESS THAT'S TAKING PLACE HERE AND THE INTEREST THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN TRYING TO PRESERVE THE ENVIRONMENT AND PREPARING FOR SUSTAINABLE GROWTH AS THAT PROGRESS CONTINUES.
SO I COMMEND YOU FOR IT AND THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING COM.
AND BEFORE YOU CAN GET AWAY, I JUST LIKE TO TELL THE CLUB THAT, UH, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT YOU SEE AROUND THIS AREA, DUDE, THAT FELLOW STANDING RIGHT THERE TALKING, YOU WANT TO HEAR HIM SAY IT, BUT IT'S THE TRUTH.
WE'D CALL HIM IN THE CITY QUITE A BIT.
HE'S ALWAYS STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE JOB YOU'VE DONE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE VOTED IN OR OUT OF OFFICE.
I'VE LEARNED NOT TO POINT THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE FIRST ROW, SECOND, WHAT WAS THAT? MR. COX MEYER, MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IN YOUR PACKET FOR THIS MEETING, YOU FOUND A COPY
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OF AN ORDINANCE WAS PASSED SEVERAL YEARS AGO CONCERNING THE NAME OF THE PARK AT THE CONJUNCTION OF THE TWO REPORTS.I FELT THAT SOME OF YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT IT IS NOT UNION POINT PARK, BUT BY DIRECTION OF THE BOARD, IT IS A CEDRIC BOYD PARK AT UNION POINT.
AND I HOPE YOU WILL USE WHATEVER POWER YOU MIGHT HAVE WHEN THE NEW SIGN IS PUT UP.
WHENEVER THE PARK IS COMPLETED, THAT THAT IS WHAT WILL BE ON THE SIDE.
THAT IS WHAT WAS ON THE SIDE UNTIL THE CITY PUT UP THE FANCY NEWS SIGNS THAT THEY HAD.
FOR SOME REASON, IT DID NOT TURN OUT THAT WAY, BUT I HOPE YOU WILL SEE TO IT, THAT IT IS THE CORRECT WAY WHEN IT WAS PUT UP FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS BOARD TO CORRECT.
THE METHOD USED TO PUT A NEW MEMBER ON THE BOARD.
IN CASE A MEMBER OF THE BOARD IS INCAPACITATE.
SO I'M GOING TO START ON ANOTHER NEW FOUR YEARS AND SEE IF YOU CAN DO FOR THE INFORMATION OF THE TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT IF ONE OF YOU, FOR SOME REASON, CANNOT SERVE, THEN THE BULL WOULD APPOINT SOMEONE THAT WAS ALL RIGHT WHEN EVERYBODY WAS ELECTED CITYWIDE, BUT IT IS NOT ALL RIGHT NOW.
WHEN FIVE PEOPLE SIT AROUND A TABLE THAT DO NOT LIVE IN THE WARD AND SELECT SOMEBODY TO REPRESENT THAT WAR.
IF YOU, IF, IF THAT HAPPENS IN YOUR WARD, WOULD YOU LIKE FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT LIVE IN YOUR AWARD, DO SELECT SOMEBODY TO REPRESENT YOU WHEN IT'S SO EASY TO HAVE AN ELECTION WITH PAPER BALLOTS, IT DOESN'T COST MUCH.
I HOPE THAT BY THE TIME THE LEGISLATURE MEETS AGAIN, NEXT YEAR, THAT YOU WILL HAVE A BILL PREPARED.
MR. WARD TO GO IN THE HOPPER, THE FIRST DAY OF THE MEETING.
NOW, I DON'T WANT IT TO TAKE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.
IT TOOK ME FIVE YEARS TO GET THE REPORTERS AT THE SUN JOURNAL TO QUIT CALLING BERN, SWITZERLAND, OUR SISTER CITY, WHEN SHE IS OUR MOTHER CITY.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME TO GET THEM TO QUIT CALLING IT.
UNION POINT, POP I'LL GIVE HIM THREE YEARS.
SHELBY KNOWN AT THE CENTER PARK.
WELL, NUMBER ONE, WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT THINGS.
IF YOU WANT, WE'VE GOT DESCENDED FORD.
WE'VE GOT THE DUFFY SEC SECTION AND WE GOT THE TILE FROM OVERLOAD, BUT THE BOAT LAUNCHING AND THE PARKING AND ALL HAS BEEN MOVED OVER TO THE DUFFER SECTION.
THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO SAID THAT LORD'S NAME AND PART OF IT AND THE DUFFY AND THE TILE CAN OVERLOAD, BUT WE DO NEED TO UPDATE THIS TO INCLUDE THE PROPER IDENTIFICATION OF WHERE CEDRIC PARK IS.
UH, ALL THREE OF THESE PLACES ARE LOCATED UNION, BUT UNION POINT IS PART OF THE POP.
YOU, YOUR POINT IS ALL THREE OF THEM.
AND SO WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS ORDINANCE.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY MANAGER, PUT IT AROUND NEXT WORK STATION TO DISCUSS THIS, TO, TO GET IT TO THE PROPER ORDER THAT IT SHOULD BE.
THE WAY THE CITY IS GROWING THE WAY YOU'RE ANNEXING OUTSIDE.
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HAVE A STUDY DONE BECAUSE NONE OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER DOESN'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED A PAID FIRE DEPARTMENT.THEY HAVE SPECIALISTS THAT EITHER THE INSTITUTE OF GOVERNMENT OR THE LEAGUE OF MUNICIPALITIES WHO COULD DUMB TO COME DOWN AND DO YOUR STUDY, IT MAY BE THAT WE DON'T NEED ONE, BUT YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED ONE.
SECOND ROAD, THIRD IN THE BUILDING.
AND THAT IS THE ORDINANCE THAT'S INTACT WITH THREE SIGNS THAT SAY NO THROUGH TRUCKS.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD MONTHLY IS GAINING MORE FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON NATIONAL AVENUE OR OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING UP.
AND WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT GETTING ENFORCEMENT.
AND I'M ONE PERSON REPRESENTING EVERYBODY IN RIVERSIDE AND THE RIVERSIDE ASSOCIATION THIS EVENING BECAUSE OF, UM, OLDER WOMAN'S OLDER WOMAN'S LEE REQUEST.
I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM DANNY MEADOWS.
DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, DEFINING WHAT THIS ORDINANCE REALLY MEANT BECAUSE IN SEVERAL PHONE CALLS TO POLICE OFFICERS ASKING THEM TO STOP THE TRUCKS ON OUR ROAD.
THE POLICE OFFICERS DON'T UNDERSTAND THREE ENGLISH WORDS, NO.
THIS LETTER FROM MR. MEADOWS SAYS TRACTOR TRAILERS AND TANA MAXWELL TRUCKS ARE PROHIBITED FROM UTILIZING NATIONAL AVENUE AS THROUGH STREET.
THE INF I'M JUST TAKING A COUPLE SENTENCES FROM THIS.
THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS ORDINANCE LAW IS RESPONSIBILITY OF THE NEWBURN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I HAVE A COPY OF THIS ORDINANCE.
MR. MEADOWS WAS HOT, WAS KIND ENOUGH TO, UH, HIGHLIGHT THIS FOR ME.
AND THIS INCLUDES FROM SIMMONS STREET BASICALLY, OR THE BRIDGE JUST BEFORE THE NATIONAL CEMETERY TO DUNN AVENUE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS WHERE GEORGE STREET TURNS INTO NATIONAL AVENUE.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH MAIL TANK TRUCKS.
AND THANKS TO THE INTERVENTION OF THE MAYOR AND ALDERWOMAN LEE.
WE WERE ABLE TO CIRCUMVENT THIS FOUR WEEK PROBLEM OF BIO GNOMIC TRUCK TANK TRUCKS GOING ENORMOUSLY FAST AND LOUD UP AND DOWN OUR STREET FOR FOUR WEEKS.
AND THAT HALTED THE DAY AFTER YOU, UH, MARY HELPED US WITH THIS, BUT THERE ARE STILL SO MANY TRUCKS THAT FALL UNDER THE DEFINITION OF TRACTOR TRAILER OR TANDEM AXLE THAT ARE USING NATIONAL AVENUE AS A THROUGH WAY, NOT AS A DESTINATION TO GET TO SOMEONE'S PROPERTY WITHIN RIVERSIDE LA, A LOT OF THE TRUCKS ARE DELIVERING.
THEY'RE USING THE NATIONAL AVENUE TO GO INTO ACROSS THE BRIDGE OR WHATEVER.
I HAVE PICTURES OF ALL THREE OF THE NO THROUGH TRUCKS SIGNS.
I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THESE, IF IT'S GOING TO DO ME ANY GOOD AND THE DEFINITION OF THIS ORDINANCE AND WHAT WE WOULD REALLY, REALLY SINCERELY LIKE TO ASK IS THAT THE, THE, UH, CITY, ALDERMAN AND CITY ALDERWOMAN PLEASE ASK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SET ASIDE SOME TIME FOR THE TRAFFIC POLICE OFFICERS TO MONITOR OUR STREETS.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WARNINGS BECAUSE THE THREE SIGNS ARE WARNINGS.
AND ONE POLICE OFFICER TOLD ME THEY NEED TO GIVE A WARNING FIRST.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS A LAW THAT YOU NEED TO GIVE A WARNING FIRST TO GIVE A TICKET TO SOMETHING THAT'S AN ORDINANCE AND
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CLEARLY LABELED.SO WE WOULD, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE HAVE POLICE ENFORCEMENT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ON OUR STREET TWO OR THREE DAYS FOR TWO OR THREE WEEKS UNTIL THE WORD GETS OUT TO ALL THESE TRUCKING COMPANIES TO STOP USING OUR STREET.
AND I'M GOING TO KEEP COMING EVERY MONTH.
I'M NEW TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS, BUT, UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY PROBLEMS IN RIVERSIDE.
AND BECAUSE WE LIVE DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THE SHELLS, WELL, THIRD HOUSE FROM THE SHELL STATION, RIGHT WHERE THE STREET OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS BY THE TIME THESE TRUCKS PASS THE CEMETERY, THEY GET UP QUITE A HEFTY SPEED BY THE TIME THEY PASS OUR HOUSE AND THE VIBRATION AND THE NOISE IS REALLY OBNOXIOUS.
AND WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING A HUNDRED TO $250,000 FOR A HOME ON NATIONAL AVENUE, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU BUY INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
DO YOU WANT ME TO LEAVE THIS, THIS LETTER AND THIS PICTURES? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD THIS PROBLEM AND WE KEEP HAVING IT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMERTIME.
AND I THINK THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE HAD A MEETING ONCE AGAIN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE KINDS OF TRUCKS THAT WE ARE PROHIBITED FROM DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, ONE TIME THEY GET ALL, UH, POLICE WERE SAYING THAT MAYBE THIS IS A KIND OF TRUCK THAT CAN, AND THIS IS A KIND OF TONE THAT CANNOT, AND IT NEEDS TO BE EASILY DEFINED.
AND I'M SURE THAT WE COULD GET THE COOPERATION OF THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IF WE CAN JUST NARROW IT DOWN AS TO WHAT KINDS OF TRUCKS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP DAN, I THINK HE WOULD CALL US BEING IN A MEETING ONCE BEFORE AND SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP WHETHER OR NOT, UH, SOMEBODY DELIVERED FURNITURE, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME AN A BIT RIDICULOUS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, UM, DEFINE YES, AND, AND WE'RE NOT ARGUING WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING DELIVERIES, ET CETERA.
AND WE'RE NOT ARGUING WITH TOYOTA OR FORD PICKUP TRUCKS.
WE'RE ARGUING WITH THE DOUBLE AXLE, TANDEM AXLE TRUCKS, AND YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE HAVE NOTICED THAT IT HAS REALLY PICKED UP SINCE ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE SCHOOL LET OUT AND ALL THESE CHILDREN THAT ARE WALKING UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
BUT, UH, THE, IN THE THREE TIMES I'VE HAD THE POLICE OUT TO BUY HOUSE JUST EXHAUSTED.
SO, SO UPSET ABOUT THIS BIONOMICS THING IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE HAVING A TRAIN COME DOWN YOUR STREET.
UM, THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE VERY RELUCTANT TO DO ANYTHING UNLESS WE, THE PEOPLE OF RIVERSIDE REALLY COMPLAINED AND THE VIBRATION AND THE NOISE IS OF NOXIOUS, AT LEAST TWO OR THREE HOUSES OFF OF NATIONAL AVENUE, QUITE NOTICEABLE.
SO, SO WE'VE, UM, WE'RE MAKING A STINK ABOUT IT.
THAT'S A, WHAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO, MR. HARTMAN, IF YOU WILL, IS ASKED THE CHIEF, IF HE COULD ARRANGE A MEETING WITH, UH, THE TRAFFIC COP TO WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT AND THE CHIEF, AND MAYBE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE, UH, WE HAVE A SAT AREA SO THAT WE CAN BETTER DEFINE THE KINDS OF TRUCKS SO THAT THE POLICE WOULD HAVE BETTER IDEA OF THE KINDS OF TRUCKS THAT ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO COME ALONG AND WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN THEY DO SEE THEM.
AND THEN THEY NEED TO MONITOR IT IF THEY WILL.
SO THEN WHEN THEY DO MEET, THEY'LL HAVE SOME GOOD IDEA, THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS AND THE KINDS OF TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING DOWN NATIONAL AVENUE, THIS IS A STATE ROAD.
AND SO, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY DO, WE DO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TO GET FROM ONE SIDE OF TOWN TO THE OTHER.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT IS GOOD.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING SOMEONE TO MONITOR THE TRAFFIC THERE, TO GET A BETTER FEEL OF THE KIND OF TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING DOWN AND THE SPEED THAT THEY HAVE WHEN THEY COME THROUGH THERE.
AND THEN WE CAN SET UP A MEETING.
WE DON'T MIND VERY HAPPY TO TAKE PICTURES.
I MEAN, WE'RE SO IRRITATED THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE PICTURES AND PUT THE DATE AND THE TIME, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES ARE, ARE THE SAME COMPANIES THAT ARE, BUT IF THEY MONITOR IT SOMEWHAT, THEN THEY'LL GET A GOOD FIELD THEMSELVES FOR THE KINDS OF TRUCKS.
AND WHEN THEY COME LIKE VISITORS, YOU MENTIONED MAYO THAT I KNOW THAT THERE'S ANOTHER COMPANY IN THE AREA.
ARE WE HAVING TROUBLE WITH LOG TRUCKS? THERE IS A LOG TRUCK COMING DOWN AT 10 OR 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE WOULD, WE NEED TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS FAR
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AS TRUCK TRAFFIC.AND, UM, IT REALLY STARTS AS EARLY AS ABOUT FIVE IN THE MORNING.
AND IT DOESN'T STOP TILL ABOUT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, BUT IN DEFENSE OF THE POLICE, THEY, THEY PROBABLY DONE NOT SURE WHAT TRUCKS ARE, THE ONES THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM, NOT TO HAVE COME THROUGH THAT UNLESS THEY SEE ONE OF THOSE BIG BIOCHEMICAL TRUCKS LIKE THEY SAW BEFORE.
BUT IF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE, WHERE TO GO AWAY AND WHY THEY'RE COMING DOWN NATIONAL AVENUE AND GET STOPPED.
IF I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS, IS WHAT IS DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE OF WHAT'S NOT LOUD.
I BELIEVE FROM ALL THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE IN RIVERSIDE ASSOCIATION, THAT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, IT KIND OF GOES IN WAVES WHEN PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY GET UPSET ABOUT IT.
SO IT, SINCE WE'RE REALLY TIRED OF THIS, WE'RE ASKING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO KNOW WHAT A TANDEM-AXLE ETCETERA TRUCK IS ISSUE A TICKET, AND THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE WITHIN THE YANCY TRUCKING COMPANY, YOU KNOW, THESE TRUCKING COMPANIES, TWO OR THREE OF THEM GET TICKETS, THEY'RE GOING TO DISCUSS AMONGST THEMSELVES.
DON'T GO DOWN NATIONAL AVENUE MORE AND THEY'LL STOP GOING DOWN NATIONAL AVENUE, UH, YOU KNOW, A CALL FROM THE MAYOR TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS EVENTS WAS WITHIN A COUPLE OF HOURS BY ECONOMIC TRUCKS WAS NOT DELIVERING HUMAN SEWAGE DOWN OUR ROAD ANYMORE.
I MEAN, IF I CALL ALL THESE TRUCKING COMPANIES AND SAY, DON'T DRIVE DOWN NASHVILLE AVENUE ANYMORE, I'M GOING TO STAND OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF STREET AND ISSUE A CITIZENS ARREST TO YOU AND TAKE YOUR PICTURE, WHICH SOMETIMES IT GETS TO BE THAT IRRITATING THAT WE WANT TO DO THAT TO PEOPLE.
THEN IF THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED TO DO THAT, THEN I'M TELLING YOU, THERE ARE A DOZEN PEOPLE ON NATIONAL L AVENUE EASILY WHO WILL DEVOTE THE TIME TO DOING THAT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF NATIONAL AVENUE, WHO ACTUALLY FOLLOWED SOME OF THESE TRUCKS FOR 30 AND 40 MINUTES.
SO THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE IN A, IN A WIDE INCOME RANGE IN A WIDE AGE RANGE WHO ARE REALLY UPSET ABOUT THIS PROBLEM ON NATIONAL AVENUE.
LET ME ALL, THREE OF US ATTENDED THE MEETING ONCE.
AND THE PROBLEM IN THE STROKE AREA WAS SAME THING WITH ENLARGED TRUCKS.
SINCE THAT MEETING, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY RESOLVE THE WHOLE PROBLEM.
SOMETHING HAPPENED, YOU STOPPED THE BLEEDING, BUT WHAT WE DID AT WHAT CITIZENS
THEY ALSO INVITED THE OWNER OR MANAGER OF THAT COMPANY.
AND
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE GOT IT FROM A LUMBER COMPANY AT THE TIME AND MAYBE ONE OTHER COMPANY, AND THEY MADE A COMMITMENT THAT YOU WOULD NEVER SEE TRUCKS.
THAT'S AN INCREDIBLY CIVIL ANSWER.
THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS GOT WITH THOSE COMPANIES THAT WE COULD IDENTIFY THAT THEIR TRUCKS GOING DOWN THE STREET, THE OTHER THING WAS, UM, IT WAS, UH, I THINK WHERE THE POLICE WERE SET UP TO TRY TO DO THAT HAIR, I GUESS, TO SEE WHOEVER WOULD BE COMING DOWN HERE THAT WORKED ON A LOCALLY OWNED COMPANY.
AND WE DID FIND SOME, SOME TRUCKS COMING, THEY'RE GOING INTO OTHER DELIVERIES THAT WERE JUST DISOBEYING THE SIGNS.
BUT SINCE THAT MEETING AND ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE COMPANY AND THE OWNERS, WE GOT A REAL GOOD RESPONSE OUT OF IT WITHOUT REALLY GETTING UPSET, JUMPING DOWN IN FRONT OF THE TRUCKS.
SO YOU'RE WHAT YOU WANT THE NEXT STEP FOR US TO MAKE A LIST.
THAT'S A VERY, I THINK THAT'S A VERY RESPECTABLE, UH, FIRST STEP TO MAKE.
SO WE'LL PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF THE COMPANIES AND THEN SHOULD WE CALL MR. MEADOWS OR MS. LEE? OKAY, GREAT.
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WELL, I KNOW WHERE TO FIND HER.WELL, I WOULDN'T, BUT IT REALLY GETS YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE UP.
I MIGHT NEED ANOTHER GLASS OF WINE TO CALM YOURSELF DOWN.
UH, YOU WROTE THAT LIES LETTER SAYING THANK YOU.
YOU MAKE THE, AND THE TRUCKS, AS FAR AS I KNEW THAT WAS STOPPED WHEN YOU CAME UP, IT WAS JUST BY ANOMIC.
THAT'S IT JUST BY ECONOMIC, BUT THAT MADE A BIG THAT THAT MADE THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE QUIETER, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS REALLY WEIRD.
I'LL SEE IF I CAN RUB THE CRYSTAL BALL.
WONDER WHAT TIME? WELL, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
WHEN, WHEN WE KNOW YOU LIKE TO DO THAT, IF YOU NEED TO ASSIST US OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR THE CITY MANAGER ARMY SPANISH.
NOW I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF RIVERSIDE HAVE A MEETING COMING WITH, UH, THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND A COUPLE OTHER CITY OFFICIALS, BECAUSE THERE'VE BEEN A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF BREAK-INS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SECTOR, WHICH YOU'RE AWARE OF.
SO, BUT I'VE JUST KIND OF VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO GO AFTER THIS TRUCK THING.
I HAVE, MY NEXT PROJECT IS ALREADY ON THE BACK BURNER OF MY HEAD, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M WORKING ON THE TRUCKS.
ANYBODY ELSE MISS YOU ON THE FLAT ROAD? I KNOW I'M WHITE.
I LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE ISSUE OF WHAT THE YOUNG LADY IS TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT THE TRUCKERS.
I'M NOT A TRUCKER, BUT THERE'S TRUCKERS THAT LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMEBODY, THE MAN THEY GET UP EARLY IN THE MORNING.
THEY COME IN LATE IN THE EVENING.
UH, ONE OF THEM HAS A TRACTOR TRAILER ON THE BACK OF HIS TRUCK.
I'M QUITE SURE OUT HERE, HIM CRANK UP OR MAYBE ABOUT TWO O'CLOCK.
HE PULLS OFF WHEN HE COME BACK IN, UH, LATE ON IN THE EVENING OR WHENEVER HE DO COME BACK AND I CAN PULL IN AT FIVE O'CLOCK WHEN HE PULLED IN AT FIVE O'CLOCK, HE MAY HAVE HIS TRACTOR TRAILER ON THE, ON THE BACKER HOOKED UP TO HIS TRUCK.
WHERE DID HE PARK THAT TRAILER THOUGH? HE JUST LEAVE HIS TRUCK SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THEN HIS WIFE OR SOMEBODY TO GO AND PICK HIM UP.
AND THERE WAS A YOUNG MAN ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.
AND HE NEVER PULLED UP WITH A TRAILER.
I'M QUITE SURE HE, HE ALREADY DRIVES OR HE DRIVES THE TRUCK.
HE POPS THE TRUCK EVERY DAY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
HE CRANKS UP EVERY MORNING, FIVE O'CLOCK.
HE GOES TO WORK EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY HE CAN GO TO WORK, UH, WHERE HE PARKED THAT TRUCK.
DID HE LEAVE IT THIS MORNING BY ME HEARING THIS INCIDENT HERE IN THIS MORNING, I NOTICED THAT AND HIS WIFE I'M QUITE SURE WAS TAKING HIM SOMEWHERE BECAUSE SHE NORMALLY GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO I'M TRYING TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW AS MUCH AS WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER TRUCK AND I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER.
HE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE CAB WITH HIS TRUCK, BUT HE HAS THE TRUCK.
WHERE DID THESE MEN POCKET? WHAT DID THEY DO? WHAT DO THEY STOP? AND THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY FOR THEM TO COME IN.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE.
WE HAD A CONCERN OVER IN, UM, BACK IN NATIONAL AVENUE, BACK IN, UH, RIVERSIDE ONCE BEFORE ABOUT, UH, PEOPLE WHO, SOME GUYS WHO HAD THOSE BIG TRUCKS AND THEY WORK, AND ONE GUY WAS POPPING IN RIGHT ON NATIONAL AVENUE.
AND THAT WAS A VIOLATION OF OUR ORDINANCE.
AND WHAT WE SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE A BIG JOHN'S HOUSE TRUCK, AND OUR STREETS ARE VERY, VERY NARROW THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEAVE IT WHEREVER YOU ARE, WHOEVER YOU WORK FOR.
I THINK THIS OTHER GUY HAD A PROBLEM CAUSE HE, HE DROVE A LONG DISTANCE TRUCK.
SO HE HAD TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK.
I MEAN, IN HIS FRONT YARD OR IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE IS NOT AN ADEQUATE PLACE.
AND WHEN WE WERE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH WERE PARKING NEAR THE STOP SIGN, SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE SCARED THE VISION WHEN PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO GO DOWN ONE OF THOSE STREETS OVER ON RIVERSIDE.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE VIEWED THESE ORDINANCES AS THIS IS WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THESE VARIOUS KINDS OF INTERESTS ABOUT TRUCKS AND IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THAT IN THE VERY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SMALL STREETS.
AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND SO IF I THINK THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T DRIVE CHUCK SORT OF OUTWEIGH THE NUMBER OF WHO DO, AND WE SUGGEST TO THOSE WHO DO DRIVE TRUCKS, THAT LARGE, A BIG TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCKS THAT THEY PARKED THEM SOMEPLACE, OTHER THAN RIGHT THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL OF THE TRUCKERS THAT'S IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY POP THEY TRUCKS, IT'S NOT IN ANYBODY'S WAY.
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WELL, IT WAS THAT IT WAS NOT ANYBODY AWAITING, I GUESS IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, BUT YEAH, TRUCKS, NAMES DON'T USE THIS THREE IS GETTING FROM HERE TO, YEAH.THAT'S THE, IT'S NOT A FANCY WAY, BUT IT'S JUST, DON'T USE THIS STRAIGHT TO BE DRIVING THROUGH WITH YOUR BIG CRUX TO GET FROM A TO B.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS IF IT DOESN'T CAUSE A PROBLEM, NOT A PROBLEM.
UM, DOES ANYBODY, HE HIT HIM OUT THAT DON'T SLEEP NOBODY LATER, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
AND THAT IS, UH, OH, WE GONNA PASS THAT THEN TO CONSIDER A MENU THE LAND USE OR WHICH IS A FLOOD PORTION TO RAISE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION ABOUT ONE FOOT, DECIDED NOT TO DO THE AUGUST.
UH, MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO RECEIVE COMMENTS ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE LAND USE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE STRUCTURES, IMPROVEMENTS SO FORTH LOCATED IN OUR A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD ZONE.
THE
SO WE'RE ASKING THAT EVERYTHING FROM HERE ON OUT WOULD AT 10 FEET, UM, THAT WOULD APPLY ONLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION TO STANZEL IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, IF THERE'S AN EXISTING PROPERTY ON, AROUND THERE, HE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO BACK AND RETROFIT AT THIS TIME.
IF HE STARTED MAKING IMPROVEMENTS, UM, DOING MAYBE A NEW AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY, BUT OTHERWISE IT WOULD NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THEM.
UM, AND THIS ONLY APPLIES TO OUR A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
UM, I BROUGHT THIS MAP HERE TONIGHT, SHOW YOU BASICALLY, THIS IS THIS AREA THAT'S LAVENDER.
UM, WELL, MOST PART OF THAT, THE AREA IS EITHER DEVELOPED OR IS IT WON'T BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, LOW SWAMPY AREAS, MARSHY AREAS.
UM, THE MAJOR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED ARE THE DUFFY FIELD MECHANICS, THE LAWRENCEVILLE AREA, AND THEN THE WOODROW COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE WOODWARD COMMUNITY BEING LOCATED RIGHT THERE IN A LOW, VERY LOW AREA WITH JACK SMITH FREAK ON ONE SIDE, AND THEN THERE'S RIVER ON THE OTHER IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO FLOODING FROM RAINFALL AND ALSO A STORM SURGE FROM A HURRICANE.
SO WE, WE FEEL THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE SOME STEPS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED BY, BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIVISION AND THE INSPECTIONS DIVISION.
OUR MAIN PURPOSE IS TO PROTECT LIVES AND PROTECT PROPERTY VALUES.
UM, DURING THE LAST HURRICANE HURRICANE FRAN, WE HAD SOME DAMAGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 80 SOME HOUSES THAT WE ARE NOW LOOKING TO GO BACK AND RETROFIT TO ELEVATE THEM USING, UH, ASSISTANCE FROM FEMA.
SO THAT IN THE EVENT OF A FUTURE STORM, THEY WILL NOT BE AT RISK AT A GREAT RISK.
UM, IN TERMS OF ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT MAY BE INCURRED BY A FUTURE DEVELOPER IN THIS AREA.
LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ANY REALLY LARGE TRACKS THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
UM, BUT IT WILL REALLY DEPEND ON WHAT THE ELEVATION OF THEIR PROPERTY AND WHAT KIND OF, UM, CONSTRUCTION DESIGN THEY MIGHT GO WITH.
UM, FOR THE MOST PART IN A LOT OF THESE AREAS, ALTHOUGH IT IS A A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN, THE PROPERTY, THE BASE PROPERTY LEVEL MAY ALREADY BE A 0.8 OR ARE IN THAT RANGE.
SO IT WILL NOT TAKE A WHOLE LOT TO BRING THAT PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CHANGE.
UM, THAT'S REALLY THE GIST OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
UM, ONE OF THE, THE ADDED BENEFITS THAT MAY COME OUT OF THIS IS, UM, BY AN AT-A-GLANCE ORDINANCE IS PUTS US ONE STEP FURTHER IN TERMS OF THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM AND REDUCING RATES FOR CITIZENS.
SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, IT MAY ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SAVINGS FOR CITIZENS.
PEOPLE MIGHT REDUCE THE RATES OF THE FLOOD INSURANCE, YOU'RE SAYING YES, AND IT PUTS US THAT MUCH CLOSER TO RECEIVING A BETTER RATING AND LOWER INSURANCE RATES.
PLEASE REITERATE WHETHER OR NOT, UH, I THINK HE WASN'T POOR, BUT THE POINT OUT THAT THE, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WENT, EVERYBODY DON'T HAVE TO GO AROUND JACK UP THE HOUSE
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MORE THAN 50% OF THE PRESENT VALUE, THEN IT HAS TO BE ROLLED INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE 50%.NOW, NOW THAT VALUE IS BROUGHT IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
ACTUALLY THE ORDINANCE SAYS FAIR MARKET VALUE, AND WE WOULD DETERMINE THAT WOULD BE, WE WOULD GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNER THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND GET A CERTIFIED APPRAISAL OF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
OR WE WOULD GO BY THE TAX RATE.
SINCE I DON'T LIKE ANYBODY TELLING ME WHAT TO DO.
I DON'T MIND THE LAMB ON A HALF DAY.
AND WHEN THE LAST TWO HURRICANES CAME, I KIND OF WISHED I'D BUILD IT.
HOWEVER, THE THING, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A 10 FOOT RULE BECAUSE I KNEW WHEN I HEARD THAT THAT WAS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN, I BE THE GUY THAT HAPPENED TO BE LIVING IN THE HUNDRED FIRST.
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY HAVING TO GUESS, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF THEY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR HOUSE EQUAL TO 50% OR MORE OF THE PRESENT VALUE, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO QUOTE UNQUOTE, BRING THE HOUSE INTO COMPLIANCE.
WHEN YOU SAY I HAVE TO RAISE THE FULL LEVEL OF ALL OF THE EXISTS.
AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 50, 60 YEARS AND HE WANTS TO GO, GO PLAY IT.
IF THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO ASK HIM TO ASK
IF IT'S A NEW EDITION, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS TO BE DONE WILL BE THE NEW EDITION.
NOW IF YOU'RE RENOVATING THE ENTIRE HOUSE, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
LOVE IS JUST A NEW EDITION, WHICH IS JUST THE NEW EDITION HAS TO BE BROUGHT INTO GO WATCH.
NOW LET'S GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THIS.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S JUST SAY YOU WANTED TO GO IN AND TEAR OUT ALL THE WALLS OUT OF YOUR HOUSE, REWIRE YOUR HOUSE AND REPLUMB YOUR HOUSE.
THAT'S RENOVATING YOUR HOUSE AND IT CAUSES MORE THAN 50% OF THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE.
AND AS WE ROLLED INTO COMPLIANCE, OR IF YOU WANT TO GO IN, LET'S JUST SAY, AND WE'VE HAD THIS HAPPEN OF TIMES IN RELATION TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE.
NOW, SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, WE JUST WANT TO RAISE THE HOUSE ABOUT SIX INCHES.
YOU RAISED THE HOUSE, YOU'VE GOT TO BRING IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE NINE FOOT.
WHETHER YOU RAISE IT TWO INCHES, THREE INCHES OR FIVE.
WHAT ABOUT THE RENOVATION? DOESN'T IS NOT PLANNED TO RAISE THE HOUSE.
IT'S JUST KNOCK OFF THE WALLS.
WELL, IF I'M ONLY TELLING YOU WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, NOW YOU HAVE TO ORDER THE ORDINANCE SAYS, WHICH IS A FEMALE THING THAT IF YOU DO MORE THAN 50% OF THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE DURING THE RENOVATION, THEN YOU HAVE TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE, WHICH MEANS REGULATED.
SO THIS SPEED
SO THE ADVANTAGE TENDS AS FAR AS AGREEING TO FEMA TO US.
AND THE HOMEOWNER IS WHY, UH, TWO ADVANTAGES THREE, ONE IS THE PROTECTION, THE ACTUAL PROTECTION, ALL FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, FROM AN ELEMENT, FROM THE ELEMENTS FROM HAZARD HAZARD MITIGATION, REDUCING IN TERMS OF WORDS, LET ME, LET ME PHRASE THIS WAY BY DOING EXACTLY WHAT FEMA HAS DETERMINED IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
I KNOW OF COURSE, THAT RAISING THE HOUSE HAS GREAT BENEFIT, RAISE IT TWO OR THREE LITTLE FEET HAS MORE BENEFIT, BUT COMPLIANT EXACTLY TO THE LEVEL OF WHAT FEMA IS SAYING IS ONE FURTHER ADVANTAGE TO THE HOMEOWNER OR US.
DOES THAT QUALIFY FOR SOME YEAH, OR THIS OR THAT? OR ONCE THEY FAN THE, THE ADVANTAGES HERE ARE ONE, LIKE I SAID, IT MAY HELP US REDUCE OUR INSURANCE RATE IN ITSELF.
THIS IS ONE CHANGE WITH ABOUT RAISING FIVE FEET OR BY CONFINED TO THE 50% THEME WITH IT BY REQUIRING HOUSES TO BE RAISED TO FOOT.
IF THEY DO 50%, IS THAT, THAT, THAT THE PROMPT CAN WE RAISE THE 50%? HOW MANY RAISE IT? THE FOOT, THE FOOT IS WHAT WILL HELP US.
THAT 50% RULE IS ONE OF THOSE STANDARD RULES.
AND IT NOT ONLY APPLIES TO THIS PROGRAM, BUT ALSO THROUGH THE BUILDING
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CODE.I MEAN, THAT'S A PRETTY STANDARD THING.
I THINK YOU HAD SOMETHING ABOUT THE WIRING, ALSO ANOTHER FAN, BUT TO ME,
AND I DON'T KNOW OF MANY HOUSES IN THAT AREA.
SO THEY WERE STILL FALLING FOR 3D THE NINE, 10.
OH, THEY STILL HAVE TO BE NOW.
AND DOES IT
I SEE STANDING 10 FEET OUT THERE.
IS THAT WELL, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR REHAB PROGRAMS? FOR INSTANCE, IF WE TARGETED THESE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE REHAB OF THOSE HOMES, WILL YOUR, WILL YOU WILL BE ALLOWING FOR THE RAISING OF THE HOUSES.
I MEAN, WELL, WE, WE, WE, WE WILL, AND WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
UM, HOWEVER, WHAT WE FOUND AND WORKING IN THE WEST END COMMUNITY IS OUR FIRST STEP WAS WE HAD AN ELEVATION DONE ON EACH OF THE PROPERTIES AND WE FOUND THAT THE HOUSES WERE ALREADY ABOVE NINE FEET.
SO, AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITIES, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT,
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE GENERAL MATH.
YOU'RE NOT NINE FEET ABOVE THE GROUND.
WELL, IT'S NINE FEET ABOVE THE MEAN SEA LEVEL AND REALLY LIKE THE LOWEST ELEVATION IN THE CITIES AROUND FIVE AND A HALF.
UM, AND THAT'S DOWN IN, UM, BLOOMFIELD K STREET WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO JUST MOVE PEOPLE OUT INSTEAD OF HAVING HOUSES FIVE FEET UP, THAT'S STAYING WATER FOR A WEEK OR TWO AFTER A MAJOR FLOOD EVENT.
THEN WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT INSURANCE BENEFITS, DIDN'T I HEAR THE WORD FREQUENTLY MEANT, AND THE WORD MAY HELP RATHER THAN WE'LL HELP.
IF I COULD, RIGHT NOW, THE CITY IS A PART OF THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, WHICH IS A PROGRAM THAT IS PUT ON BY FEMA.
AND RIGHT NOW WE, AND THEY HAVE A GREAT SYSTEM OF ONE TO 10 OR 10 TO ONE 10 BEING THE WORST ONE BEING THE BEST.
AND RIGHT NOW THE CITY IS AT A GRADE NINE, WHICH WHEN WE, UH, STARTED PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROGRAM, WE HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT GRADE NAP, TO GET THAT GRADE NINE, THE, THE, UH, CITIZENS THAT ARE LIVING WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN, RIGHT NOW, THEY GET A 5% REDUCTION ON THEIR INSURANCE.
IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET TO A GREAT EIGHT, WHICH THIS HELPS US GET TO A GREAT AID, I THINK THEY WILL GET IT'S EITHER A TWO AND A HALF OR A 5% FURTHER REDUCTION ON THEIR FLOOD INSURANCE THAT WOULD NOT BEGIN TO PAY FOR THE COST OF ELEVATING THE HOUSE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WILL, BUT, BUT IT DOES HELP OUT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD WHEN YOU'RE SITTING THERE PAYING FOR 30 TO 40 AND YOU HAD SOME, AT SOME POINT, AT SOME POINT, WE JUST HAVE TO GET REAL ABOUT WHERE WE LIVE, WHO WE CAN'T MITIGATE ALL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE CAN RUN INTO.
I MEAN, THE IDEA OF, I MEAN, IF THEY, IF PEOPLE WANT TO BE TOTALLY SAFE FROM THE FLOODING AND EVERYTHING, LET THEM MOVE WHERE THE LAND IS HIGHER.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT HERE.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF TIME.
YOU WOULD NOT ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT TO, UH, UH, FOR A BUILDING LOT THAT DOES NOT MEET THIS CRITERIA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH.
NOW, YOU WOULD NOT ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT TO CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, A TO BUILD A HOUSE IN A AREA WHERE THIS, THEY DID NOT MEET THIS FLOOD PLAIN REQUIREMENT, NOT PROTECTION.
IT'S THE HOUSE THAT HAS TO BE NINE FINGERS, NOT THE CLOCK, BUT FOR US TO ISSUE THE PERMIT, THERE'S SOME SORT OF CRITERIA THAT THEY HAVE TO SUPPLY TO US IF THEY DO NOT SUPPLY THAT MATERIAL THAT WE NEED, THE PAPERWORK THAT WE NEED.
NO, SIR, I DID NOT ISSUE A PERMIT, BUT IF THEY'RE WILLING, THAT PROTECTS THE NEW, UM, THE NEW HOUSES HAVE TO BE ABOVE THAT REQUIRED FLOOD.
PLAIN WAS STATION WITH 10 FEET.
UH, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING I'D LIKE TO HEAR IF THERE'S ANYBODY OUT THERE INTERESTED.
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WOULDN'T BE WELL.
YES, I CAN BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE.
I BELIEVE ANY CONTENT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING.
WE THAT THE BOARD DELAY THIS ORDINANCE, I HAD A CALL FROM A DEVELOPER
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IN THE CITY.HE INDICATED THERE'S SOME MISUNDERSTANDING OR SOME CONCERN ON THE PART OF SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANT TO COME AND MAKE A BIG SCENE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY WANT EVERYBODY TO GET A REDUCTION THAT THEY CAN, BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO WHAT I TOLD IT WAS WE WOULD DELAY ACTION ON THIS AND GIVE OUR STAFF TIME TO MEET WITH THEM.
I THINK GREG HAS A PRELIMINARY CONTRACT WITH THEM ALREADY AND TO MEET WITH THEM AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL, WHAT THIS HAS DONE.
SO IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO ALLAY SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
WELL, DO WE NEED TO, UM, DELAY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, JUST CONTINUE AT A LATER DATE.
AND I CAUGHT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND CLOSE IT HERE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO ORDER
ANYWAY, MY, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UH, MANY OF YOU WILL REMEMBER UP UNTIL, UH, I GUESS THE MID, MID EIGHTIES, UH, WE WERE AT 12 FOOT ELEVATION AND THEN IT WAS REDUCED BACK DOWN TO NINE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE EFFECTS OF HURRICANE FRAN, YOU'LL THAT A FAIR NUMBER OF THOSE NINE FOOT ELEVATION PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK ALONG OUR WATERFRONT, UH, SUSTAINED, DAMAGED, TOOK WATER.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE WATERS FROM FRAN DID EXCEED NINE FEET.
AND THAT WAS JUST A 10 YEAR STORM, NOT THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM REDUCED, UH, PROBABLY BECAUSE PEOPLE HADN'T SEEN HURRICANE REAL
UH, NO, THE ONLY QUESTION I HEAR, BUT HE'S ANSWERED IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE 50% RULE IN PLACE.
THINGS ARE GOING TO BE RAISED IN THAT ANYWAY, IN MY OPINION, A LITTLE BIT AND ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BUT DOES ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ABOUT IT TONIGHT WILL BE DISCUSSED FURTHER, BUT NOT SOMEBODY LIKE MR. MAYOR? MY NAME IS GEORGE LAWSON.
I THINK FOR THE PURPOSE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S NINE FEET OR 10 FEET IS NOT THAT SUBSTANTIAL, BUT THAT EXTRA FOOT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION MIGHT MAKE A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND AS A VERY MARGINAL COST IMPACT OR SHOULD FOR MOST DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTORS WHO HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF THEIR FUTURE CLIENTS AT HEART REGARDING THE 50% RULE, THE POINT YOU MAKE MR. MAYOR, THAT IF A HOUSE IS BELOW NINE FEET TODAY AND NEEDS TO BE RAISED TO AT LEAST NINE FEET, THAT ONE ADDITIONAL FOOT, ONCE YOU'VE GONE TO THE PROCESS OF JACKING UP A HOUSE IS AGAIN, NOT A GREAT SUBSTANTIAL COST INCREASE.
SO JUST FROM THE VIEWPOINT AND THE BENEFIT OF PROTECTING PEOPLE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND GIVING THEM THAT MARGIN OF ERROR AT WHAT SHOULD BE A MARGINAL COST INCREASE FOR CONTRACTORS DOES BEAR SOME, DO CONSIDERATIONS, COME INVOLVEMENT.
AND IN CASE THE PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE TALK WITH AND WANT TO COME IN AND SPEAK.
SO WE JUST LEAVE IT OPEN WE'RE IN LINES OF, I AGREE, CAUSE I HAVE, UM, I HAVE A PROBLEM AND YOU GUYS CAN REALLY LAX IT.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BUILDING NEW HOUSES, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE, WHEN YOU, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RENOVATIONS OF HOUSES AND WHAT'S REQUIRED OF THE HOUSE TO BE ELEVATED, WE AT A MINIMUM, I CAN KIND OF, I'M KIND OF CONFUSED A BIT ABOUT THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT JUST GIVES US A LITTLE TIME FOR YOU GUYS TO TELL ME WHAT YOU TALKING, WHAT YOU MEAN, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, UM, THAT YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE SOME OTHER DO EXPENSE, UH, LARGE AGAINST THE PEOPLE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF THEY BECOME FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME RENOVATIONS TO THEIR HOMES AND INCLUDED IN THAT WOULD BE TO ELEVATE IT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OKAY.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT COMMENT.
UM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE PUSHING
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THIS IS THE DIVISION EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND FEMA MAY MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY ASSISTANCE TO HELP AT LEAST 84 HOMES AND THE WOODROW COMMUNITY ONES THAT WE WE'VE ALREADY.GIVE US THE MONEY FOR THE ONES THEY ALL RELEASED.
BUT, UM, THAT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS TO GO AHEAD AND GO IN THERE AND ELEVATE THOSE HOUSES HOUSES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AFTER LAST DORM AS RECEIVING DAMAGE AND, AND GO AHEAD AND GET THOSE OUT OF THE 10 FEET.
AND THAT IS MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT WE AREN'T DOING ARE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY ABOVE 10.
I DON'T KNOW, OPPOSED TO IT JUST THAT'S OKAY.
I'M USED TO YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW.
NEXT THING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER APPROVING THE ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING GRANTS, CERTIFICATES OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY TO OPERATE TAX CAPS AND THE CITY OF NEWARK.
I SEE WHERE WE HAVE LISTENING TO ALL OF THE OLD TAXI MAN.
THE BOARD APPROVED THE TRENCH FOR A LOAD OF THAT BRANCH IS, AND MR. NEWKIRK HAS REQUESTED THAT HE BE GRANTED A FRANCHISE FOR 17.
WHEN WE GET TO THAT, I PROGRESS THAT NOT BEING OPERATED
AND IF YOU RECALL, AT ONE POINT, HIS FRANCHISE IS NOT BACK DOWN TO WHAT THEY WERE COMMITTED BY THE CODES.
WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ISSUE A NEW FRANCHISE, ALL THE KIDS AND EACH OF THEM NOW, HEY, AND I THINK, I THINK IT CAME UP WHERE
HE CONTACTED ME, UM, THREE, FOUR WEEKS AGO, I GUESS IT WAS
DOES ANYBODY SPEAK CONCERNING? MAY I, IF I MIGHT LET YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF CATS THAT WERE LISTED AT THE TIME I SENT OUT THE AGENDA MATERIAL LAST WEEK, BUT I HAVE SENT THEM, PROVIDED A LIST OF THOSE PERSONS WHO HAVE FRANCHISES.
NOW, THE NUMBER OF LICENSED CALVES THAT THEY'RE OPERATING AND THE NUMBER THEY REQUESTED, A COMMON COX ONE AND ONE BARELY DOWN CHEETAHS CORRECTED HER APPLICATION.
I SAID THAT WAS INADEQUATE BASED ON THE COMMENT I MADE, UH, WHEN THE FRANKLIN WANTED ONE WITH A NEW CARD, ADDITIVES, 17, A FRANCHISE FOR 17, THE DOVE CAPTAIN, AND HE'S ONLY GOT 13 ON THE LICENSE.
UH, JAMIE HARRIS, ONE AND ONE GEORGE SLAVE JR.
INC, HAS A FRANCHISE FOR EIGHT.
HE ONLY HAS FOUR LICENSED CLARENCE SQUIRE IN HERE HAD A FRANCHISE ONE ON THE HANDS, THREE OF THEM LICENSE ONE IN ONE, IT, IF THE BOARD IS OF A MIND TO REDUCE THOSE, WHICH ARE AUTHORIZED TO THOSE, WHICH OPERATED, THEN NOW IT'S TIME TO DO IT FOR HIM AND PUT THE LICENSED.
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HAS THIS BEEN A CONSISTENT THING THAT THEY'VE HAD MORE LICENSES THAN THEY'VE OPERATED CANDIES? WHAT DIFFERENCE? WELL, THE BOARD AT ONE POINT CONSIDERED IT TO A PROBLEM.THAT QUESTION ABOUT TRANSFER TO
AND I THINK A SUGGESTION
THEY ARE MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT A NEW TAX TAXI, SERVICING, 12 KIDS AND WILLIAM DUB, THE BOARD APPROVED HIS PURCHASE OF THE KIT, WHICH BUMPED HIM UP TO 17.
AND APPARENTLY HE'S LICENSED TO ONE OF THOSE.
WELL, I'M CURIOUS IF, IF SOMEONE ELSE WOULD COME IN AND SINCERELY WANTING TO RUN TWO CALVES, TWO NEW TAXIS, WOULD WE GIVE THEM FRANCHISES TOO? OR WE WOULD JUST ASSIGN TWO OF THESE THAT ARE NOT BEING USED TO THEM.
WE STILL HAVE THAT 35 LIMITED.
IN FACT THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS SUGGESTED AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING
I WOULD S I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY ASSIGN LICENSES FOR CAMPS THAT ARE ACTUALLY ON THE ROAD AND LET THEM COME BACK UP AND JUSTIFY ANOTHER LICENSE IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A CAB ON THE ROAD, BUT THERE'S LET THEM SIT ON THE LICENSE.
IT SEEMS KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WELL, IF IT WOULDN'T STOP SOMEBODY ELSE FROM GETTING A LICENSE, IF THEY CAME UP, THEN IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
THEY COULD BE SOLD, BUT THEY COULD BE SOLD.
IN OTHER WORDS, HE BOUGHT MR. DOES FRANCHISES.
WHY WOULD HE, WHY WOULD HE, IF HE COULD HAVE JUST COME UP AND GOTTEN MORE ANYWAY, WE'LL BE FINE.
HOPEFULLY, MAYBE THEY'VE GOTTEN THIS NUMBER THREE MONTHS.
THEY WILL HAVE BRIAN CAME TO US, TALKING ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY FOR GETTING DRIVERS CLEANED DOWN BEFORE WE CHANGE IT.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO, CAN YOU DO IT AGAIN?
UH, I'M JUST TRYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE
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WOULD BUY A FRANCHISE WHEN THEY CAN COME UP HERE AND GET IT FROM US FOR FREETWO BIDS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO US FOR APPROVAL.
ONE WAS WITH OPTIONS AND ONE WAS WITHOUT OPTION
UH, WE HAD TO TAKE BEDS AND FOUR CATEGORIES.
UH, STATE LAW REQUIRES IT, GENERAL CONSTRUCTION, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, AND MECHANICAL HEATING AND AIR BE DONE AS SEPARATE CONTRACTS.
UH, WE HAD A BASE BID IN EACH CATEGORY, WHICH IS THE BASIC BUILDING.
WE HAD OPTIONS, UH, UNDER THE GENERAL CONTRACT, ALTERNATE ONE ADDED THE COST FOR THE ADDITIONAL ONES UNDER PLUMBING.
THERE WERE NO OPTIONS BECAUSE THERE WERE NO, THERE WAS NO PLUMBING IN THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE, UNDER HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING.
WE HAD ONE OPTION WHICH WAS TO ADD AIR CONDITIONING FOR THE ADDITIONAL ROOMS AND UNDER ELECTRICAL.
THE FIRST TWO DEALT WITH ADDING A, UH, EMERGENCY GENERATOR INTO THE PROJECT.
AND THE THIRD WAS THE, EXCUSE ME.
THE FIRST WAS THE ADDITIONAL ROOMS IN THE SECOND, THIRD BEFORE THE EMERGENCY GENERATORS MUFFINS ON THAT.
SO THE TWO PRICES, WE SAY SECOND PRICE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE WRITERS, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN CLUES, IT BURDENS THE GENERATOR.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE LETTER THAT WE, WHEN I GOT TO TELL YOU IN HERE FOR, TO BE HERE YEAH.
AND IT'S REFERRED TO, AND THEN THE MANAGER WOULD COVER THE, UH, THE MERCY GENERATOR AND THE BASIC CONSTRUCT.
THE NEXT RESOLUTION WILL COVER THE BASIC CONSTRUCTION, THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR AND THE COMPLETION OF THE MEETING.
BUT IN OTHER WORDS, THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM 159,000 IS JUST THE BEATEN ROOM IN THE MEETING ROOMS ARE THE ROOMS THAT PROVIDE MEETING SPACE AND SO FORTH.
AND THE VOLUNTEER FIRE HAD AN OLD FIRE STATION.
WAS THAT A SHOT? ANYWAY, THAT WAS TO REPLACE THE ROOMS THAT THEY HAD AN OLD FIRE STATION.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE HAS, WE'VE GOT TWO RESOLUTIONS HERE TONIGHT.
ONE OF THEM IS TOO THAT WE CAN PROVE IT DOES NOT HAVE A MEETING ROOMS FOR THE VOLUNTEERS IN IT.
THE OTHER RESOLUTION DOES HAVE THE VOLUNTEERS IN IT, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICE BEING A HUNDRED, 1 59.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE NEW, NEW ONE WITHOUT THE VISION ON IT, IT HAS A TRAINING DURING THE WINTER.
IT HAS A CONFERENCE ROOM AND WE ALSO WANT TO VACATE THE STATION NOW, FORT TOTTEN, WHICH COULD BE USED AS A MEETING WITH A WHOLE LOT LESS MONEY SPENT ON $159,000.
NOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WERE SPENDING 3 MILLION OUT HERE FOR A NEW POLICE STATION.
WE'RE SPENDING 2 MILLION, 900, 5,000 FOR A NEW STATION.
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FIRETRUCKS WORTH ABOUT $545,000 FOR THIS.AND, AND, UH, UH, FRANKLY, $159,000 FOR, FOR A ROOM TO BE USED JUST PERIODICALLY DURING THE MONTH.
IS IT ONE ROOM OR TWO, TWO ROOMS. OKAY.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE IS A MEETING ROOM IN THE TRAINING ROOM THAT'S AVAILABLE WITHIN IT FOR THE REGULAR TO BE USED.
AND ALSO WITH A, ONE OF THE BASIC BUILDING WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PLACE THAT COULD BE REMODELED AND MAKE A NICE CONVENIENT.
DOES THE ANYBODY HERE WON'T SPEAK TO THE VOLUNTEERS? OKAY.
WE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ON THIS AND WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS ON IT.
AND, UH, I BEING ELECTED BY THE VOLUNTEERS TO BE CHIEF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS, UH, DIRECTED TO COME UP HERE AND ASKED IT THE MEETING ROOMS, UH, FOR THE TWO COMPANIES BE INCLUDED IN THE BID.
UM, WE HAD SOME TOUGH TIMES WITH IT AND WE FINALLY GOT IT PUT ON AS AN ALTERNATE, UH, TO IT.
BUT, UH, THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH STATION ONE.
AND THERE'S TALK ABOUT STATION TWO.
UH, WE SAT DOWN AND MOST OF THE FIRE BOARDERS HERE TONIGHT, UH, WE DIDN'T BRING A WHOLE GANG.
WE DIDN'T WANT Y'ALL TO THINK WE WERE COMING UP HERE TRYING TO STIR UP ANYTHING, BUT YEAH, BUT, UH, WE, UH, WE SAT DOWN AND WE LOOKED AT, UH, SEVERAL OF THE VARIABLES AND WE TRIED TO WEIGH OUT THE PROS AND CONS OF IT.
AND WE LOOKED AT STATION TWO, WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE'D HAVE TO PUT IN THERE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT, UH, WE WERE TOLD SOME THINGS THAT MAY BE DONE AT STATION ONE, UH, AS FAR AS TURNING INTO A MUSEUM, THE BUILDING IS IN VERY POOR SHAPE AT THIS TIME.
UM, I HAD TO GET WITH CHIEF ASTER HERE THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE I HOLD CEILING IN ONE OF THE ROOMS IS FALLING IN THERE.
AND I NOTICED EXTENSIVE RENOVATION HAS GOT TO BE DONE IN THAT BUILDING AT SOME TIME OR ANOTHER.
UM, WE TRY TO WEIGH OUT THE COST OF IT.
AND WHAT WE COME UP WITH WAS IF WE HAD, HAD TO START AT STATION TWO AND TRY TO GET IT UP TO WHERE WE NEEDED IT WITHIN A FOUR OR FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, UH, AFTER THEY MOVED OUT OF IT, WE'D PROBABLY WIND UP WITH ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WE WOULD HAVE IN THE TWO MEETING ROOMS OF THE, OF THE NEW STATION AS WE WOULD HAVE IN THAT.
AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE NO EXPENSE IN LONG-TERM EXPENSE OF, OF HAVING TO HAVE A BUDGET FOR A SEPARATE BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME.
HOW MUCH DID Y'ALL COME UP WITH? IT WOULD TAKE TO DO STATION TWO.
UM, WELL JUST, JUST FIGURING IF WE TRIED TO DO ANY ADDITION TO IT BECAUSE OF THE SMALL ROOMS, THE VERY SMALL ROOMS THAT ARE IN IT, UH, WE'D HAVE TO AT LEAST ADD ONTO IT.
AND WE CAN'T REALLY DO ANY RENOVATIONS IN IT BECAUSE EVERYTHING, THE STRUCTURE IS BUILT WHERE IT'S KINDA GOT A EV THE WALLS IN ARE LIKE BARREN WALLS, BECAUSE IT'S GOT A FLAT ROOF ON IT WITH THIS BIG HIT ROOF BUILT OVER IT.
WELL, YOU GOT THE ROOM WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE PARKED THE TRUCK.
AND, UH, THAT, UH, I THINK T FASTER HERE TO TELL YOU THE SAME THING, THE, UH, THERE'D HAVE TO BE SOME WORK DONE IN THAT BAY TOO, BECAUSE THE TRUCK SITS IN IT LIKE THIS.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE FLOOR WAS MADE THAT WAY, BUT THE WHOLE FLOOR AND THAT STATION KINDA KIND OF GOES TO THE MIDDLE OF A, OF A BIG DUMP, BUT, UH, THEY SAT DOWN THE BOARD SAT DOWN AND THEY WAITED OUT AND, AND THEY, UH, MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE COME UP HERE.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ASKED FOR, SIR, I'M GOING TO BOTTOM TO YOUR FARM ON ACTIVE RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 40 MINUTE 45.
HOW OFTEN WE DO MEET IN THIS ROOM? HOW OFTEN WILL WE MEET IN THESE ROOMS? WELL, BUSINESS MEETING IS ONCE A MONTH, AND THEN THEY'RE USED FOR VARIOUS OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT, THAT THE COMPANIES, UH, USING BULL, WOULD THAT BE USED EXCLUSIVELY BY THE VOLUNTEERS? UH, NO, THESE ROOMS COULD BE USED FOR ANY, UH, ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO USE THEM FOR MEETING ROOMS, JUST LIKE, UH, UH, MEETING ROOMS DOWN TOWN RIGHT NOW.
AREN'T REALLY BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE STEPS UP AND DOWN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC BUILDING WITH PUBLIC MEETING ROOMS IN IT, MORE OR LESS, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED AND TWENTY, A HUNDRED AND FIFTY FIVE.
THAT'S THAT? I THINK THAT'S INCLUDED TWO OFFICES, TWO OFFICES, AND TWO
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STORAGE ROOMS TOO, BECAUSE I MAY ASK YOU THE REAL TOUGH, AND THAT IS HONEST TO GOODNESS.HOW, HOW DID THE VOLUNTEERS, CAN YOU BE BASICALLY WHEN YOU PAY YOUR FIRE HALL, AS FAR AS IF THEY WEREN'T IN THE BUILDING VERSUS IF THEY WERE IN THE BUILDING, IF WE DON'T INCLUDE THEM IN THE BUILDING, THEY DON'T REALLY BELIEVE US TELL THEM THAT WE APPRECIATE THE JOB AND THE JOB AT CONTINUING TO DO IN FRONT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR IS THAT A REAL STRONG PIECE OF, WELL, WELL, ARE THEY GOING TO BELIEVE IT OR NOT? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, MR. MAYOR.
I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THEM FEEL THAT WAY.
DID THEY? I MEAN, THEY REALLY, THEY REALLY WOULD LIKE TO BE IN IT BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF IT.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES FAR BEYOND SQUARE FEET AND $150,000.
BUT WHAT'S THE WAS ASKING THE 47 PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR SELVES ON THE LINE WHEN WE HAVE A FIRE.
AND YET WHETHER WE REALLY, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT WHAT YOU DO, BUT IT'S THE WAY PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY READ A SALINE.
UM, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IT IS THAT IMPORTANT TO, FOR US TO LEAVE THEM OUT OF THE BUILDING IS JUST NOT EVER GOING TO REALLY BELIEVE DEEP INSIDE.
WE REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE A PART OF IT OR THAT THE FIRE TEAM, WHAT'S THE OBJECTION TO USING THE EXISTED IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM AND THE EXISTING TRAINING ROOM THAT'LL BE IN THERE, THE REGULAR SHOES.
IT WON'T ALL BE USING IT AT THE SAME TIME.
THEY TELL ME THAT WE'VE GOT TINY SHEER WE'VE HAD IN MANY A YEAR, AND I'M TRYING TO LOOK OUT THE TAX PAYERS MONEY.
I MEAN, THEY CAN SHARE, THEY CAN SHARE IN, ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE DON'T ADD IN THESE TWO ROOMS THAT WE WON'T BE ADDING IN THESE YOU'VE MENTIONED, HE SAID TWO ROOMS, YOU SAID MEETING ROOMS. AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING OFFICES AND STORAGE ROOMS. SO IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE TWO ROOMS FOR YOUR MEETINGS, THAT WE WILL NOT BE APPROVING ANY SPACE AT ALL FOR THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS, ARE WE SAYING, YES, MA'AM, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF WE DON'T GET INTO THOSE ROOMS, WE WILL NOT BE INCLUDED ANY SPACE AT ALL FOR THE VOLUNTEER FIREMEN IN THE NEW BUILDING.
SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR JUST TWO MEETING ROOMS, YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN OFFICE AS WELL, RIGHT? IS THAT THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE SAYING HERE? AND HE'S GETTING PAID FOR IT THE BEST WAY I CAN ANSWER THAT AS THERE IS NO DEDICATED SPACE THAT HAS A VOLUNTEER'S NAME ON IT IN THE BUILDING.
HOWEVER, THERE'S A TRAINING ROOM AND CONFERENCE ROOM AND ALL THAT THEY CAN USE FOR THEIR TRAINING, THE TRAINING ROOM.
SO THESE TWO ROOMS THAT WE'RE MAKING REFERENCE TO.
NOW, IF YOU TELL ME THAT YOU WANT TO PAY 150, $9,000 FOR TWO ROOMS TO HAVE A MEETING ONCE A MONTH,
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALSO, THESE ROOMS WILL BE USED FOR YOUR OFFICE.
SOMETIMES WE GO OUT PLACES BECAUSE DOWNTOWN HERE IS, I MEAN, IF THE AIR CONDITIONERS DON'T RUN 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, YOU CAN'T GO UP THERE AND BREATHE.
AND ALL WE HAVE IS A LITTLE WINDY UP THERE NOW.
SO TRAINING ROOF IS ABOUT 26 BY 35.
AND THE ALTERNATE ROUTE IT'S DESIGNED TO SEE ABOUT 55 OR 60 PEOPLE FOR TRAINING AT DESK WHERE THE C CONFIGURATION AND THE MEETING ROOMS, UH, LET'S SEE.
AND THE OTHER IS JUST A LITTLE, IT'S THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THEY'RE IDENTICAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT'S JUST CONFIGURED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
IT'S A LITTLE LONGER NARROWER.
SO THEY'RE SAME SIZE PROPERLY OF TRAINING.
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PROJECTED WHEN YOU TALKING ABOUT A MEETING ROOM.YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUSTIFICATION.
I'M GOING TO GET YOU TO THE CORNER, SHOW YOU HOW TO SELL STUFF.
YOU KNOW, YOU, WHEN YOU SAY TO US, YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO MEETING ROOMS FOR THE VOLUNTEERS.
AND THEN I INTERPRET THAT AS JUST BEING SOMEPLACE FOR YOU TO HAVE A MEETING, HE SAY, YOU COULD USE A CONFERENCE ROOM, YOU CAN HAVE A MEETING, BUT IF YOU SAY THAT YOU WANT SPACE IN THE BUILDING SO THAT YOU WILL BE ASSOCIATED AND YOU IDENTIFY WITH THE NEW BUILDING THAT'S BEING BUILT, THEN I FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT THE IDEA I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO BE A PART OF IT, THE DOLLAR TO A FIREMAN, ALL THE CALLS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND OUR CLUB ROOMS WERE WHERE THEY MEET AND THEY CONGREGATE AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE COUNTY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE THE SPACE.
I'M SAYING IF THE
YOU DON'T FIGHT THE FIRES ANYMORE.
CAN YOU LET ME, I'LL GET THIS CASE FOR YOU.
I'M TRYING TO GET SOMETHING TO CLEAR MY HEAD.
I MEAN, IT CLEAR IN MY HEAD THAT BOB DID A FIVE MINUTE.
IT WASN'T A FIGHT, THE FIRE, AND NOW YOU'VE TAKEN.
WELL, YESTERDAY I BELIEVE THAT THE VOLUNTEER FIREMEN ARE THE ONES WHO FOUGHT THE FIRES AND THE OTHERS JUST ARRIVED THERE.
HAD THE TRUCKS HOLD THE HOLES FOR YOURSELF.
I KNOW BOBBY WOULDN'T LIKE THAT, BUT ANYWAY, SO, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE I MUST ADMIT WHEN I CAME HERE, I DIDN'T SEE, I DON'T, AND I'M NOT CONVINCED YET, BUT THE IDEA OF A BUILDING OF $159,000 ROOM FOR A MEETING, IT'S JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
BUT IF YOU SAY TO ME THAT YOU ARE NOT INCLUDED AT ALL IN THIS NEW INNOVATION, THIS NEW FIRE STATION, THAT IT TOOK US A THOUSAND YEARS FOR US TO BUILD IT.
AND THE VOLUNTEER FIREMEN WILL HAVE ANY RECOGNITION OR ANY ASSOCIATION NECESSARILY, THEN THAT PUTS A DIFFERENT LIGHT ON IT.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? VOLUNTEER FIVE MINUTE VOLUNTEERING.
AND WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE A NEW HOUSEBOAT I'LL FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING.
I WOULD THINK ALL OF THEM HAVE WORKED TOGETHER.
UH, I DON'T SEE WHY THEY CAN'T SHARE TOGETHER.
WHEN THAT BUILDING THAT YOU HAVE MATCH WAS BUILT, WHICH HAS TWO CLUBHOUSES IN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE ATLANTIC AND THE BUTTON SITTING UP ON TOP OF IT.
WAS THERE THEN A PAID FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OBVIOUSLY THE TWO VOLUNTEERS AND THEN TIME AND THE HISTORY OF HUBRIS, SOMEBODY THOUGHT ENOUGH OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT THEY COULD, THEY GAVE THE WHOLE, I GUESS, ABOUT THE WHOLE HALF OF THE FIRE STATION, THE TWO BIG ONES UP TOP, IT'S SAYING RANDOM.
I WRITE YOU TELL ME WHEN I'M DRIVING A TRUCK.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY IN THE TRADITION OF WHAT THE VOLUNTEERS HAVE DONE AND A PART OF OVER THAT TIME BACK, UH, ALMOST BIBLICAL
AND I SAW WAS THAT I HAVE A DREAM.
SOME OF IT I'M GETTING ON UP IN AGE A LITTLE BIT TODAY, BUT BACK IN THE THIRTIES OR WHATEVER AT WORK.
BUT ANYWAY, THERE WAS A REASON IF THOSE ARE TWO BIG, BIG MEETING ROOMS, CLUB RUNS, IF YOU WILL PLAY SPACES, CALL THEM WHATEVER.
AND THE TOP OF THAT, THE FIRE STATION.
AND I THINK SOMEHOW THAT TO HAVE THE OPTION OF BUILDING A FIRE STUDIES, BRAND NEW FIRE STATION, HERE'S A SLIDE
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OR TALK AT ALL IN THE OFFICE, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST AND TO EVEN HAVE THE CHOICE OF, OH, GO BACK TO FRACKING, MAKES ME LEAN OR GIVE HIM THE FLEET GARAGE.PLEASE CALL US TO DO ANYTHING LAST TIME AFTER NOT EVEN BEING TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF WHAT THIS TOWN HAS DONE OR FOR A WHILE, BUT WHATEVER, IT'S GOOD REASON FOR IT.
SO LAST MILE THINKING ABOUT IT, I MEAN, IT'S 150 BUCKS, 150,000 BUCKS IS GOING TO BUST AS WELL.
THE TWO MINUTES IS GOING TO PUT THIS AND A STATE, A STATEMENT WAS MADE EARLIER.
AND, UH, UH, MAYOR COPS OVER HERE THAT, UH, THE CITY OF NEW RUBIN MAY NEED TO LOOK INTO A PE DEPARTMENT.
AND IF THEY DO DOWN THE ROAD SOME YEARS FROM NOW, OR NEXT YEAR, WHENEVER THEY DECIDE TO DO IT, I BELIEVE THIS PART OF THE FIREHOUSE WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THEM AND THE SPACE WILL BE NEEDED.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD DOWN
UH, WHAT CONVERSATION I HAVE HAD, UH, I DON'T THINK THEY, UH, THEY CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AS LONG AS THEY GET THE FACILITIES THAT THEY NEED FOR HOUSING, THEIR SALES THEY'RE 24 HOURS A DAY.
THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THE CONSENSUS.
I'VE GOTTEN, WHATEVER YOU GOT IN THERE.
MR. MAYOR, I THINK THAT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE DESIGN PHASE TO THIS FIRE STATION, THE CAREER STAFF IS BASICALLY SAID THAT THE, UM, THE PUTTING ON THE CLUB ROOMS OR THE MEETING ROOMS AT THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD CERTAINLY BE THE DECISIONS THIS BOARD, BUT HAVE TO MAKE.
AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY FEELINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UM, I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THOUGH THAT, UH, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE TRAINING ROOM WAS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING THE VOLUNTEERS.
AND WE'VE ALSO DESIGNED, AND I'VE WORKED REAL HARD WITH, UH, THE ARCHITECT AND DESIGNING THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT'D BE AN ENTRANCE SO THEY COULD COME FREELY AND USE THE TRAINING ROOM, THE FITNESS ROOM AND THE, UH, CONFERENCE AREA.
I JUST, I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, UH, THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
WE'RE PUTTING THE TYPE LOCK ON THE BACK OF THE DOOR, WHICH EACH MAN WILL BE ISSUED A CREDIT CARD.
AND HE WOULD BE ABLE TO SWIPE A LOT TO, TO COME IN AND GO AS HE FEELS FIT IN THOSE AREAS.
UH, BUT THE DESIGN OR THE ROOM DESIGNED.
I MEAN, THE ONLY, THE ONLY IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ONLY COMPLAINT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, DOING THE ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE PARKING AREA.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S BEEN NO CONCERN FROM THE CAREER STAFF RELEVANT TO OUR POLICE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH THE TWO MONTHS WITH THE TRUTH.
SECOND, I HEARD A SECOND THERE, IS THERE A SIDE MR. MAYOR? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THE LIST THAT I, UH, PREPARED DURING BUDGET WORKSHOP TIME.
THE THING THING THAT KEEPS BOTHERING ME IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE ARE SPENDING IN ARE GOING TO BE OBLIGATED TO SPEND IN THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE A VERY LARGE PROJECT FACING US IN THE MARTIN MARIETTA PROPERTY.
IF WE GO WITH THAT, WE'RE TALKING $10 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RENOVATE OUR SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONNECT THE TWO, WHICH IS GOING TO BE MORE MONEY.
WE, WE HAVE ONLY ONE LINE BRINGING OUR WATER IN FROM OUR WELLS SYSTEM OUT IN CODE CITY.
AND IF IT BREAKS, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH WATER.
LAST TIME IN THE HOURS, BILL WAS WITH OUR NEW BIG ONE.
WE'VE GOT ONE DAY SUPPLY ONE DAY TO FIND THE BREAK AND GET IT FIXED.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WE'RE GETTING READY TO BUILD A NINE
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11 BUILDING A BUILDING FOR 9 1, 1 EMERGENCY CREWS, UH, DISPATCHERS, WE'VE ALREADY VOTED TO BUILD A NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT, HAVE THAT MONEY OBLIGATED.THEY'RE JUST, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, ALL THE RENTAL SPACE THAT WE'RE RENTING FOR CITY EMPLOYEES, AND WE NEED TO LOCATE A BUILDING THAT WE COULD BUY TO MOVE THEM INTO.
SO WE'D BE PAYING FOR OUR OWN BUILDING.
INSTEAD OF RENTING, WE HAVE TO BUILD A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT, A NEW FIRE STATION TO SERVE, TO BURN A AND EVAN'S MILL.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE PROBABLY FULL-TIME FIREMAN TO STAFF THAT BECAUSE THE VOLUNTEERS IN NEW BURDEN AT WORK CANNOT GET THERE FAST ENOUGH.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE NEW TRUCK THERE.
IF NOT TWO, WE HAVE ALREADY CONTRACTED FOR A NEW LADDER TRUCK AND AN EXCESS OF A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE ALL OF THIS MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF NEWBURN DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY.
I'VE SAID THAT MANY TIMES BEFORE WHAT WE GET WE TAKE FROM THE PEOPLE, THAT'S WHERE IT ALL COMES FROM.
AND WHERE IS IT GOING TO END? I KNOW THAT THE VOLUNTEERS WANT THE MEETING ROOMS. IT'S WONDERFUL THAT THEY HAVE THEM.
WE MAY VOTE TO BUILD THEM TODAY.
THE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE SOMETHING ELSE OFF THE LIST BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY.
AND I BOUGHT THIS UP ONE TIME BEFORE, AND I WAS TOLD, WELL, IF WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, WE WON'T DO IT.
AND I, THAT JUST THAT'S, THAT'S NOT STRATEGIC PLANNING, THAT'S CREDIT CARD PLANNING.
AND THAT, THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR A CITY THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR FINANCIALLY.
WE HAVE, WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO SPEND, LIKE WE HAVE, BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOLD BY THE CITY MANAGER, THE PHRASES TAX INCREASE CAME UP DURING BUDGET SESSION.
IT WAS NOT SERIOUSLY PROPOSED, BUT IT CAME UP THAT, UH, THAT, THAT WE NEED MORE INCOME WE'RE OBLIGATING OURSELVES.
WELL, IT CAME UP, IT WAS MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, WE'RE TAKING ON SOME, SOME NEW RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THE ANNEXATIONS WE'D GONE THROUGH WITH, UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED A POLICE SUBSTATION DOWN INTO BURNER AREA, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT SUBSTATION.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT SUBSTATION OUT 17 SOMEWHERE.
WE HAVE A GROWING RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A LIST OF CLUBS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO MEET THAT CAN'T BE ACCOMMODATED BY OUR RECREATION CENTERS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE.
THEY ARE CRYING FOR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION AT THE RECREATION CENTERS.
IT JUST, IT BOTHERS ME THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE THINGS AS A WHOLE, BUT WE'RE TAKING THEM ONE AT A TIME.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED, OH, JUST A SHORT WHILE BACK THAT A PLAN BE PUT TOGETHER WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HIT US IN THE FACE OVER THE NEXT, WELL, NOT NECESSARILY US, BUT SOMEBODY OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THEM.
I KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF THEM WILL BE FUNDED BY USER FEES, WHICH WILL INCREASE THE COST OF THE CUSTOMERS.
SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PAID FOR BY LEASE PURCHASE, WHICH MEANS OUT OF OUR AD VALOREM TAXES OR WHATEVER OTHER LITTLE BITS OF INCOME WE HAVE SALES TAX AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND I, IT REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A HANDLE ON WHAT OUR LONG RANGE CONSTRUCTION AND EXPANSION PLANS ARE OR NEEDS ARE AND WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM.
AND WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST TAKING IT ONE PROJECT AT A TIME.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD PLANNING AND I MAY GO, I MAY VOTE TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT THE ROOMS, BUT I'M SAYING THAT I FEEL WE'RE GETTING INTO SOME, GETTING ON SOME SOFT GROUND FINANCIALLY BY NOT HAVING THIS LONG RANGE PLAN, KNOWING WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO CERTAIN PROJECTS AND HOW THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURN ARE GOING TO FUND THEM.
WHAT'S THE WRONG WAY, DEPENDING ON THE ANSWER THAT THE CITY
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MANAGER TO TELL US, WHEN WE JUMP THE TRACKS TO TELL ME HERE, AS SOON AS I SEE YOU GETTING READY TO JUMP OUT OFUH, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT SPENDING AND HOW WE GET THAT MONEY AND HOW WE TAKE IT OUT OF THE POCKETS OF THE CITIZENS AS MAX SAYS, CAUSE HE'S WRITING WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT WILL BE DECISIONS THAT YOU ALL WILL MAKE.
I HOPE THAT THERE'LL BE THE RIGHT DECISION.
I THINK THAT THEY WILL AND WILL, UH, MAX HAS TALKED ABOUT HAVING A MEETING THESE LONG RANGE ISSUES, WHICH PROBABLY IS A GOOD IDEA.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, I'D PROBABLY KIND OF SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION FOR YOU COMING UP IN, UH, NEXT QUARTER, THIS NEXT QUARTER TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND TALK ABOUT THEM.
SO EVERYONE HAS A BETTER IDEA OF HOW THE FUNDING IS ALL WORK AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY FROM WHEN THINGS ARE NOT BEING UPSTAIRS.
WELL, THEN I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION, MR. CITY MANAGER, WHERE DOES THIS EXTRA 156 OR $59,000 FIT INTO THE PLAN? WELL, I THINK WE, I THINK THERE'S STILL SUFFICIENT MONEY IN THE 75 TO 7 MILLION, $500,000 THAT THE BOARD HAS ALREADY OBTAINED A LOAN FOR, TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOMETHING ELSE WON'T BE LACKING AS A RESULT OF IT.
UH, BUT THAT OF COURSE IS ALWAYS THE DECISION OF THE BOARD.
SO WE'VE ALREADY PROJECTED THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE ENTIRE AMOUNT, SO WHERE YOU SPEND IT AND HOW YOU SPEND IT.
THAT'S A DECISION THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE AS A GOVERNING BOARD, BUT IT'S 170,000 WILL HAVE BEEN HERE.
WE WON'T HAVE MAYBE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE UNION, 400, WON'T HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER, WE WON'T HAVE TO PUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER PLACES.
SO IT'S ALWAYS A DECISION ABOUT THE ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES AND YOU ALL WANT TO MAKE THAT.
NOW, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME CLOSE WITH THIS.
NOW I WANT, AFTER, AFTER I'VE SAID ALL THAT ABOUT THE THING, THE PROJECTS WE HAVE AND UNION POINT AND COUNCIL BLUFFS AND THE, UH, THE OLD FIREMAN'S MUSEUM, WHICH IS READY TO FOLLOW, I'M NOT READY TO FOLLOW THE IN, BUT HAS IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN.
WE KNOW THAT, OR A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT TO RENOVATE IT.
AFTER I'VE SAID ALL THAT I DO WANT TO REASSURE THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURN THAT AT THIS TIME WE ARE IN PROBABLY THE BEST FINANCIAL CONDITION THE TOWN HAS BEEN IN MANY, MANY YEARS.
OUR FUND BALANCE IS THE HIGHEST IT'S BEEN.
WE DO NOT HAVE A HEAVY DEBT LOAD.
I DON'T WANT TO RISK WHAT WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO GET, WHICH IS A VERY GOOD, VERY SOUND FINANCIAL PICTURE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS HANGING OVER OUR HEADS.
AND I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL THE WAY WE GO ABOUT THEM.
MR. MAYOR, I'VE LISTENED TO ALL SIDES AND I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS I'D LIKE TO MAKE, MAKE MENTION OF I'M RESPECT THE FIREMAN VOLUNTEER FARM.
AND EVERY TIME THEY GO INTO A BURNING BUILDING OR WHEREVER THEY HAVE TO REPORT A TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO PUT OUT A FIRE.
BUT I DON'T THINK, UH, I DON'T KNOW ANY ONE OF THEM PERSONALLY, BUT, UH, THEY PROBABLY DO NOT NEED SEPARATE MEETING ROOMS OTHER THAN FOR THE TRADITION OF HAVING THE FIREMEN MEET IN SEPARATE ROOMS IN THE OLD FIRE STATION.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CONSIDERED IS THAT WE SPEND WHATEVER MONEY IS NECESSARY TO MAKE THE CURRENT MEETING ROOMS AND THE OLD FIRE STATION SUITABLE FOR, UH, MEETINGS IN THE FUTURE.
AND MAYBE WE SHOULD NOT CONSIDER THE $159,000 EXTRA FOR THE NEW BUILDING.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE PHYSICALLY RESPONSIBLE AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND HOLD DOWN THE COST OF THIS BUILDING, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
THERE MAY BE SOME CONTINGENCIES DOWN THE ROAD THAT WILL EAT INTO THIS CUSHION THAT WE NEED TO BUILD THE NEW, NEW FIRE STATION.
SO I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, BEFORE WE MAKE A BOOK.
I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT OUT AS A, AN ALTERNATIVE.
CAUSE YOU ONLY MADE ME GO ON, MAN.
IF YOU SUGGESTED MY MOTION WOULD BE TO ACCEPT THE OPTION A WITHOUT THE MEETING ROOMS INCLUDED IN THE NEW FIRE STATION.
LET ME SAY THAT, UH, AS FAR AS THE HISTORY IS CONCERNED, THAT KIND OF CLAIM HAS BEEN TOO FAR COMPANIES
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A HUNDRED YEARS.AND TO GET PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER, DO THINGS NICE, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE IN RELATIONSHIPS AND THIS TYPE OF THING.
AND THE ONLY MONEY I SPENT ON FIRE DEPARTMENTS OR POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAS BEEN FOR ONE THING.
AND ONE THING, MAKE SURE THAT CITIZENS GET THE VERY BEST BELIEF PROTECTION THEY GET AND GET THE
IN MY OPINION, ATTITUDES, THE, UH, SARAH SPREE DECOR, THE COOPERATION, UH, YOU GOT PART OF THE FIREARM IN ONE BUILDING AND PART OF THE MAN AND THE MOTHER BUILDING THE VOLUNTEERS.
AND THAT ITSELF HAS SOME SORT OF A PSYCHOLOGICAL THING TO THE AIR.
PEOPLE THAT ARE A PART AND THEY'RE GOING HAVE TO COME TOGETHER.
AND ONE BUDDY, DEPENDING ON THE OTHER ONE FOR HIS LIFE AND THAT KIND OF THING, JUST SOMEHOW JUST DOES NOT SAY EXACTLY CORRECT, BUT I'M DOING THE RIGHT THING BY KEEPING THEM APART, EVEN DEEPEN IN A SYMBOLIC WAY.
THEY DON'T NOT EVEN HAVE A
I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF THINGS COME UP.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING SACRED BY, I DIDN'T HAVE IT.
I MEAN, THEY PUT THEIR NAME UP THERE TO THE EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES ARE THERE FOR BOTH.
AND THEN WHY SHOULD WE SPEND 150, $9,000? THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY TO WHAT'S OUT THERE, LIKE BACK WHEN THE FACILITIES ARE THERE AND ONLY GOT TO DO A SHAKE
SO ANYWAY, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND UH, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
SO THE MOTION BEFORE US NOW IS TO VOTE FOR THE BUILDING WITHOUT THE TWO.
UH, I LIKE TO NOMINATE TO THE, UH, POLICE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD AND MS. SHERRY JONES, A 5 0 7 METCALF STREET OF NEWBURN.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO REPLACE MR. ROBERT NUTELLA, WHO HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB, BUT, UH, BY THE CITY CHARTER IS NO LONGER ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT.
SINCE THAT'S A LIMITED TERM, I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT MR. CHARLES EHRENFRIED ONE 13, SEVENTH STREET, SORRY.
UH, ONE THING, THE NEUSE RIVER, UH, I FORGOTTEN WHAT THE EXACT TITLE IS THAT THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET APPROVED BY THE PRESIDENT.
AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT PROGRAM? YOU KNOW, THE CITY, THE HERITAGE RIVERS, UH, THEY ARE, THEY ARE PLEADING WITH PEOPLE IN THE AREA TO SEND A LETTER TO THE WHITE HOUSE, ASKING THAT, UH, THE PRESIDENT
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EXPAND THAT TO 12 RIVERS SINCE THE TARGET WAS 10% OF THE RIVERS THAT WERE NOMINATED AND THEY GOT 120 NOMINEES AND THEY ONLY PICKED 10.SO TWO MORE WOULD MAKE IT 10% AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
SO I WOULD ASK IF POSSIBLE FOR A LETTER TO BE DRAFTED TO THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT AND SIGNED BY THE MAYOR, UH, ASKING THAT HE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ADDING TWO MORE RIVERS TO THAT LIST FOR APPROVAL.
A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS, UH, TO MAKE THE BACKWARD PASS.
UH, I WAS DOWN A FEW WEEKS AGO AND
I WROTE ABOUT THIS AFTERNOON, THE FIREFLIES, I GO SIX OF THEM AND THEY'RE HAVING A BALL AND I COULDN'T FIND THEM THE SINUSES POSTED DOWN THERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET THIS WORD OUT TO PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE DOING NOTHING TO DAMAGE.
HE GOES THERE, UH, MERCHANTS DOWN, UM, DOWN IN THIS AREA COMPLAINING ABOUT THE DAMAGED AREA.
I THINK THEY HAVE PROTECTION AROUND NOW, MR.
I WISH THAT THE CHIEF OF THE POLICE, THE PROPER SIGNS AND ALL THE POSTERS AND THEY TOOK VARIOUS THEY'RE PUT IN YOUR BOX.
IF I GET LOST ON THE WAY
AND HE WASN'T AWARE
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR SERGEANT, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT.
AT THE TIME THAT WE TORE DOWN THE WOMAN'S CLUB BUILDING OUT OF UNION POINT, THERE WAS A TIME CAPSULE.
THE DADDY WAS TAKEN OUT OF THERE AND IS HOLDING THIS BOARD TO DO IT SOMETIME OF THE OPEN AND SEE WHAT'S IN IT.
AND I LIKE TO GET THAT THING SCHEDULED SOMETIME, EITHER THE WORK WORKSTATION OPEN MEETING OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE.
I PUT THAT PROBLEM IN 1932
IF I CAN SHOW MY TREASURES AND OPEN THE MEETING, YOU CAN CERTAINLY OPEN YOUR TITLE, THE MAYOR, OR THE CITY MANAGER TO ARRANGE IT.
BUT I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HOLDING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
I DON'T LIKE GERMS.
AND THE CITY MANAGER SAYS BRIEF EXECUTIVE SESSION, PROPERTY ACQUISITION DISCUSSION.