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OKAY, WELL, WE'LL CALL IT THE ORDER AND WE'LL OPEN THE MEETING AND WE'LL HAVE A PRAYER BY REVEREND SAM.
HARDY OF STEVEN'S FREE WILL BAPTIST CHURCH IS HERE, NOT HERE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE A CRACK AT IT SINCE YOU'VE NEVER DONE IT WITH A COUPLE THOUSAND PACKS? OH FIVE OUT GOD IS BEYOND ME TO COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
FATHER REALIZING THAT WE ARE IN YOUR HAND, WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THE NIGHT AND THE NIGHT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME OUT TO THIS MEETING FATHER OR MOTHER, FATHER AFTER PROFESSOR, LESS THAN 5% EFFICIENT TONIGHT WILL FOLLOW.
LET THEM KNOW FATHER THAT THEY'LL MAKE A DECISION FOR YOUR PEOPLE GUIDE AND DIRECT THEM IN ANY WAY.
LET US ALL REMEMBER FOLLOWING THAT.
YOU REALLY JUST HERE FOR ALL OF THEM WILL FOLLOW THAT YOU HAVE TRUSTED IN OUR HANDS WHILE YOU LET US BE TRUSTEES OVER YOUR WORKS WILL FALL TO HELP US THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO HELP ONE ANOTHER.
LET US KNOW FATHER THAT WE ARE BLESSED BY INTEND FOR US TO PASS THE BLESSING ON TO SOMEONE ELSE.
WE HAD TO BE ANOTHER BLESSING IN JESUS' NAME.
WE PRAY AND OF THE MAN I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND TO THE REPUBLIC.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, YOU MIGHT CALL THEM HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
FIRST-LINE WE'D LIKE TO DO IS THE APPOINTMENT OF A VOLUNTEER FIRE CHIEF AND THE DEPUTY CHIEF.
AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN THE AUDIENCE.
THAT WOULD BE MR. REED, WHITFORD SENIOR AND MIKE WHITFIELD.
AND, UH, RAID WILL BE THE CHIEF AND MIKE'S WHITFIELD WILL BE THE DEPUTY CHIEF.
ARE YOU THERE? SO WHAT DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT CIRCUIT? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF APPOINTING THESE FELLOWS SAY, AH, ALL OPPOSED.
I'M SURE Y'ALL DO A REAL GOOD JOB.
FIRST THING WE HAVE AT NIGHT IS THE MONTHLY REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS.
AND THIS IS WHERE ANYBODY CAN COME FORTH AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR.
AND SOMETIMES THEY TELL US SOME STUFF WHERE YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO HEAR, BUT WE HEAR IT ANYWAY.
SO IS ANYBODY OUT THERE FOR THAT? NOBODY THERE FOR THAT GOING ONCE GOING TWICE AND OPPORTUNITY IS GONE.
THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO EXTEND THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION TO THE PROPERTY SOUTHWEST OF THE U S 70 BYPASS.
SO MIKE, AVERY, I THINK, WOULD LIKE TO COME FORTH AND DESCRIBE TO US WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC YEAR AND END OF IT.
DO WE NEED TO PULL THE HEARING FIRST? WE CAN JUST DECLARE IT THAT I THINK WE ARE.
UH, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS TO SYDNEY AND ABOUT THE TJ TO PROCESS IMPROVE AND SHOW A FEW SLIDES OF A PICTURE.
IT HELPS PEOPLE IDENTIFY WITH THE CONCEPTS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
YOU'VE HEARD OF THE TERM ETJ, VANDY ABANDONED THE BATHROOM.
THAT MEANS THOSE ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.
EXTRA TERRITORIAL PLANNING, JURISDICTION.
IT'S A PROACTIVE PLAN AND STRATEGY BY WHICH A CITY CAN HELP MANAGE AND GIVE STRUCTURE TO THE GROWTH OCCURRING ALONG THIS BATTLEFORDS.
IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT INTO LAW IN NORTH CAROLINA IN THE 1950S BY AN ACT OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE, LEGISLATURE IN THE CITY OF NUMEROUS, 1992 LAND USE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS.
THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN APPOINTED A STEERING COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS
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TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CITY'S LAND USE PLAN.ONE OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT THE CITY SHOULD BEGAN PURSUING EXTRATERRITORIAL PLANNING, JURISDICTION EXTENSION IN THE YEAR 1994.
UH, WE DID, UH, BEGIN THAT PROCESS, UH, THAT PLAN, UH, CONTAINING THAT POLICY STATEMENT WAS ADOPTED BY THE BOARD ALL.
AND THEN LATER IN 19 93, 1 OF THE QUESTIONS ASKED DURING THE LAND USE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS.
WE HAD A QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WAS RESPONDING TO, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1600 RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
AND THAT WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY SHOULD CONTINUE TO EXPAND ITS BOUNDARIES.
THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION THERE OF THE CITIZENS WAS A TWO, ONE MARTIN BS.
UH, LET'S SAY A, UH, IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, EXTRATERRITORIAL PLANNING JURISDICTION IS JUST THAT PLAN.
IT'S SUBDIVISION ADMINISTRATION.
THIS BUILDING CODE ENFORCEMENT IS MINIMUM HOUSING CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND IT IT'S NOT BRING TAXES WITH IT.
IT'S PURELY A PLANNING TOOL FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE AREA OF ISSUES THAT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, UM, BRING TO MIND OR LAND USE PROPER LAND USE AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
WE ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE 17 IN FRONT OF THE MALL, UH, TO KNOW THE FACTS ARE NOT PROPERLY MANAGING AND ANTICIPATING.
TRANSPORTATION IS JUDGED ON THE SCALE, A SCALE OF A, TO E A BEING THE VERY BEST LEVEL OF SERVICE AND E B RED LOCK THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE MALL.
IS IT D RIGHT NOW AFTER WE SIX LANE DID IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, IT WILL STILL BE D IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A VERY LOW LEVEL OF SERVICE.
WE WANT TO TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THAT CURVE.
GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT ARE INEVITABLE, AND I'M GOING TO USE A PSYCHOLOGICAL TERM.
WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN DENIAL ABOUT IT.
WE NEED TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF IT AND PROACTIVELY WORK WITH, UH, LAND USE COMPATIBILITY IS ANOTHER ISSUE WE'VE SEEN IN THE PRESS AND IN OUR AREA, HOW FAR CONCERNS, JUNKYARD CONCERNS, ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, ESTABLISHMENT, AND OTHER LAND USES THAT COULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON LAND USES.
UH, WITHOUT MANY THERE'S NOT A GREAT DEAL THAT CAN BE DONE FROM THE TECH NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THESE TYPES OF USES.
ANOTHER ISSUE IS LOWERING THE COST OF SERVICES THROUGH PROPER PLANNING AND HAVING A PROPER PLAN AND TOOLS IN PLACE.
THE CITY CAN AFFECT SITE PLAN DESIGN, SUCH THAT WHEN WATER AND SEWER AND STREETS AND SO FORTH ARE BROUGHT TO THEM AT A LATER DATE, IT CAN BE DONE AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE AND MAINTAIN AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
THAT MEANS LOWER TAXES, LOWER RATES IN THE FUTURE RECALLS OF PLANNING, NO ISSUE IS ENHANCING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR AREA.
UM, ONE IMPORTANT ASPECT OF ENHANCING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS YOUR IMAGE, THE APPEARANCE THAT YOU PROJECT TO PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND MIGHT WANT TO MOVE HERE TO MILO, TO INVEST HERE IN THE AREA.
UM, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW I 17 SAD AND SEE AN AREA THAT HAS CHANGED CONSIDERABLY IN RECENT YEARS, AS FAR AS A GATEWAY TO THE CITY OR A GATEWAY DIDN'T HAVE ANY NORMAL MR. DIRECTION, YOU WERE HEADING, YOU SEEN A FLURRY OF RATION OF THE OLD WARDS, UH, INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES, UH, NEW COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, UH, STRUCTURES AND SO FORTH.
ANOTHER THING THAT, UH, TERRITORIAL PLANNING JURISDICTION BRINGS WITH IT IS INCREASED PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND LAND USE MANAGEMENT ISSUES CURRENTLY IN AN AREA WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY.
IF AN UNDESIRABLE USE WANTS TO COME IN NEXT TO YOU, THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN SAY ABOUT THAT.
UH, WITH THE PROPER TOOLS IN PLACE, THERE CAN BE A PUBLIC DIALOGUE AND TO HELP ENSURE THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD YES, PRESERVE PROPERTY BAGGIES AND SO FORTH, UH, PROTECTED ANOTHER ISSUE IS TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE A CATALYST IN OUR CABINETS, UH, TO DEVELOP,
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UH, WE SEE IN THE, UH, THOROUGHFARE PLAN FOR OUR AREA, UH, THE EXTENSION OF BOSTON BOULEVARD, THE EXTENSION TO HIGHWAY 17 FIVE, AND THESE ARE GOING TO BRING LINDLEY ON INCREASING DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES.AS TRANSPORTATION, UH, BECOMES MORE READILY AVAILABLE TO THE SOUTHWEST AREA OF THE CITY AND ENDED JOINING ERIC AND FINALLY THE ISSUE OF THE CITY BEING ABLE TO PROTECT ITS EDGES.
UM, WE, UH, I THINK THE LEGISLATURE BACK IN THE FIFTIES RECOGNIZED THAT USES THAT TAKE PLACE ADJACENT TO A CITY, HAVING AN IMPACT ON THE CITY AND THE CITY HAS A RIGHT TO BE PROACTIVE, TO HELP, UH, PROTECT THAT AREA.
UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME USES AND SO FORTH? I'D LIKE TO JUST RUN THROUGH SOME SLIDES.
THIS IS A PICTURE WITH THE WORDS TALKING ABOUT, SAYS PAIN INVOLVED SAYING THE RACK OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND RACING EARS.
AND WE KNOW WHAT THE TRACKS IS LYING OUT THERE.
UH, WE SEEN AREAS, UH, THEY NEED TO DEVELOP, UH, TO BE LOWS OR POPPING UP ALONG, UH, UH, SERVICE THE CUSTOMER OR THE DRIVERS HERE.
THIS IS THE USE OF MANAGERS ALONG WITH 17 AND HAS RECENTLY OPENED SOME OFFICES, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UM, UH, A REAL ESTATE PERSON THAT HE HAD SEEN FOR THE FIRST TIME THOUSAND DOLLAR ROCK ON HIGHWAY 17.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT HE TOLD YOU TO NEVER SAY, BUT THE PRESSURES ARE THERE AND IT DOESN'T PRICE UP.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING FURTHER OUT FROM THE LOWER PRICE PRESSURE MEAN HIGH SCHOOL IS A MAGNET FOR THAT AREA.
WE SEE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS TAKING PLACE ALONG 17 OF THE SIZE HERE OF THE GRAY AREA, SOUTH OF SANDRA, JUST NORTH OF 17.
UH, THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS BEGINNING TO DEVELOP APARTMENTS NEAR THE HIGH SCHOOL.
WE HAVE RECENTLY APPROVED 90 APARTMENTS BUILT AROUND THE HIGH SCHOOL.
ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, INDICATED THAT HOUSING DEMAND COMING INTO THAT AREA, THE PICTURE OF SOME OF THOSE IN THE BACK RIGHT THERE, UH, MOVING BACK INTO AREAS THAT THIS IS A VERY PRISTINE AREA HERE.
UM, SO SOME OF THE AREAS CAPITAL CHARACTER, BUT WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE ALSO, AND THE VALUE OF DESIRABILITY AND SO FORTH IS INCREASING PRESSURE.
UH, AND, UH,
THIS IS USUALLY THE NEXT STEP, UH,
AND WE LOOKED AT THIS AND ONE IN THE AREA.
UM, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH FROM NEWBURN LOOKING DOWN HIGHWAY 17.
WE WORKED WITH REZONINGS, UH, LAST YEAR ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE THAT WAS SOLD AND, UH, WILL BE DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
THE USE ALONE 17 HERE, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING THE RESIDENTIAL USES SOME OF THEM GO HERE.
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HERE'S A SITUATION, A COMMERCIAL USE WHITE AGAINST A NICE RED THERE.AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE HERE SHOP.
AND THAT'S THIS ISSUE WITH THE SPEED COMPATIBILITY? WHAT PROTECTION DOES THIS PERSON HAVE A RED CARPET? THEY DIDN'T HAVE NONE AS FAR AS THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT DOWN.
THIS IS ACROSS THE WAY FROM THE TOWN OF RIVERBEND, VERY NICE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE BACK.
UH, AND YOU HAVE A TWO STORY BUILDING THERE.
UH, MANY HOUSES, UH, NO SETBACKS, NO SCREAMING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL USES OTHER THAN THERE WAS A FARMER, UH, EARLIER, BUT ONCE AGAIN, NO REGULATIONS THERE TO HELP.
THEY HAD TO BLEND IN THE AREA.
AS WE SEE IT TODAY, THESE KINDS OF PICTURES SHOW WHAT THE FUTURE CAN BE WITHOUT SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE AND MANAGEMENT TOOLS THAT HELP ENSURE AS A KID WITH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SMALL IN SCRIPT DEVELOPMENT WORLD, YOU GO WITHOUT ANY CLASS STRUCTURE.
NOW THIS IS, UM, BUT EXCUSE ME, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU WERE SAYING THAT WITHOUT THE ETA E T J, THAT BUILDERS CAN GO IN, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANY TYPE OF BUFFERING, NO SETBACKS, AND THEY JUST DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, UH, SONY MANAGEMENT, AND THERE'S REALLY NO REQUIREMENT FOR ANY OF THESE TYPES OF STANDARDS.
SO YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND ROCK AROUND HERE AND PUT ANYTHING UP.
YOU WANT THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLACE TO DO IT, WHICH IN A LOT OF CASES, A LOT OF THE SMALL SCALE DEVELOPMENTS OPERATING ON CENTER AND IT PERKS OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.
AND YOU PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE.
REALLY WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS ONE OF THE PREFERRED METHODS.
I WAS SPEAKING TO A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER TODAY.
HE SAID, BASICALLY, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE COMMERCIAL SITE IS BALANCE SMALLEST SPECIE CAN AND PAY EVERYTHING SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE MAINTENANCE AND SO FORTH.
AND YOU MAXIMIZE YOUR PARTNERS.
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE IN JACKSONVILLE.
IF YOU'VE MADE A FULL LONG 24, WHERE IT'S ASPHALT WITH BILLBOARD OUT TO THE STREET, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THING IN HAM AND WITHOUT ANY KIND OF SETBACK OR OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT SQUAT, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THAT DOESN'T HERRMANN AND ROCKY RUN, BUT, UH, IT STARTED, YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE SAY FINE.
NOW, WHY NOT LATER FOES, WE'RE BEHIND THE CURVE ALREADY.
YOU SEE THE BILLBOARDS, YOU SEE THE
AND HE SAYS, DID YOU ONLY UNDERSTAND ME SELLING OUT TO THE LOUIS BROTHERS? THEY'RE PUTTING IN A LAND
UM, THIS IS, UH, WHAT WE SEE IN OUR AREA TYPICALLY BECAUSE OF OUR RATES TOMORROW, THE POCKETS, UH, ANOTHER SHOT OF ROCKY RUN AREA, ONE OF THE RURAL AREAS, RURAL RESIDENTIAL, ALONG WITH WALKING ON ROAD ST.
THIS IS A SLAB FROM RANDALL, THE RANTS, WHEN IT DOES PUBLIC PATIENTS, IT SHOWS THE TYPICAL
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RULE, UH, AREA, UH, LANDSCAPE.UH, TYPICALLY WHAT YOU FIND IS FOLKS HAVE COME UP AND YOU'LL GET THE STRIP DEVELOPMENT HAD AS YOU SEE THERE.
UH, AND TYPICALLY IT'S NOT DONE THIS WAY, BUT THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU SEE, UH, WITH, UH, PROPER PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT OTHER LAND USE.
YOU CAN GET THE SAME DENSITY THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE WITH THE COMMERCIAL UP FRONT AND THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK WITH THIS, YOU HAVE A MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE LANDSCAPE AND COMMUNITY YOU'D HAVE AN EXACT SAME DENSITY.
YOU HADN'T HAD PREVIOUS SMILE, YOU'VE CUT DOWN AND YOUR STORY, YOUR STREETS, BECAUSE YOU'VE REDUCED THE LINK THAT'S AND THIS MONEY GOING IN LESS MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE IN THE FUTURE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IS OUR ROLE IN LIFE.
THE WAY IT WOULD NORMALLY BE DEVELOPED THROUGH REGULAR SUBDIVISION OR WITHOUT SUBDIVISION STANDARDS CAN BE DEVELOPED WITH PROPER 70.
THIS IS THE SAME DENSITY AS THIS SLIDE.
WHAT WE'VE MANAGED TO DO IS TO KEEP A WORKING FARM GOING THERE.
WE'VE RESERVED OUR RULE LAND AND HAD THE SAME DENSITY AS WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING AT THIS EVENING? OR PROPOSALS IS ONE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING MEETING OF THIS YEAR.
AND THAT PROPOSAL IS THE AREA OF RANGE, INCLUDING THAT IN THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY, UM, WITH OUR TEAM HERE, UH, THIS IS MORE LONG RANGE PLANNING.
I FEEL QUITE CERTAIN TO BEING MOVING OUT OR AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS
BUT, UH, THIS IS
THE PAPER, IF YOU WILL TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE, UH, ROCKY RUNNER AND THAT INCLUDES ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROAD CORE THE SIZE, AND ALSO THE AREA SOUTH OF THERE.
THAT IS THE, UM, RUSHING DURATION OF THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.
UH, AND WHAT ELSE WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF? UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE FEEL THAT WE ARE BEHIND THE CURVE INSTEAD OF FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, WE WERE ALSO REQUESTED TO PROVIDE ANOTHER, ALL THIS PLANNING BOARDS THAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE AREA WEST OF READING BRIAR JIMMY'S RANCH AND AREA HERE, THAT AREA AS A CULTURAL SUN, IT ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THE HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH OR THE
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TO HELP MANAGE, AND, UH, THE LAND USE ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, WHICH IS, AS YOU CAN SEE A VERY SHORT DISTANCE BETWEEN SYDNEY RIVERUH, YET WE LOSE THE MAJORITY OF THE ROCKY RUN AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE NORTH AND AGRICULTURAL, UH, FARMING TYPE AREA TO THE SOUTH.
UM, BUT DOES CONTAIN THE 17 QUARTER, WHICH WE FEEL IS VERY FLEXIBLE TO THE INTEREST OF THE CITY.
UM, ONE OTHER ITEM HERE IS RIGHT INTERSECTS WITH 17 THERE'S A 10.3 ACRE TRACT OF LAND.
AND THAT, UM, UH, THE SCOTT FAMILY HAD A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR, FOR SOME TIME THAT WOULD INCLUDE COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER C GREEN FOR THAT TO ALLOW THEM TO HANDLE THEIR PLANNING.
THE CITY HAS A COPY OF IT
UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE JUST A MINUTE.
I'M RAMPING UP MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE MUSLIM.
UH, I'D LIKE TO, TO RATE JUST A FEW COMMENTS, UH, JUST HIGHLIGHT A FEW FROM MY NOVEMBER 20TH MEMO, UH, TO THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH Y'ALL PROBABLY HAVE IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, AND THAT IS THAT THE PROPOSALS THAT YOU SEE HERE WERE DEVELOPED FOLLOWING INQUIRIES AND FOLLOWUPS AND MEETINGS WITH GREENBRIER, ROCKY RUN US 17 SOUTH RESONANCE LANDOWNERS, UH, AND DEVELOPERS, UH, IN THE AREA, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AS A STATED, UH, RECOMMENDED A PROPOSAL THAT IT'S OCTOBER 3RD MEETING.
UM, THE, UM, IDEA OF ATJ AS A PROACTIVE PLANNING STRATEGY, UH, IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT BEGAN.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU WANT TO BE AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
UH, IDEALLY, UM, THE NEW-BORN HASKELL RIVERBEND COMMUNITY ARE REALLY, UH, DRAWING DEVELOPMENT TO THE AREA.
PLUS THE COST OF REAL ESTATE ALONG HIGHWAY 17 IS PUSHING THE EMPHASIS, UH, IN, INTO THE 17 SOUTH AREA BETWEEN RIVERBEND AND, AND NEWBURGH COMMERCIALIZATION ALONE.
17 IS OCCURRING AT A RAPID RATE, 75% OF THE BUILDING PERMIT VALUE THAT WE ISSUED IN THE LAST YEAR WENT IN THAT AREA.
THE 17 AREA THAT SOUTHWESTERN QUADRANT OF THE CITY, THE AREAS RURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER IS CHANGING RAPIDLY.
UH, AND THE PIECEMEAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT HAVE A UNIFIED STANDARD TO IT.
AND IT'S GOING TO INEVITABLY ERODE THE INTEGRITY OF THIS IMPORTANT GATEWAY TO OUR TWO MUNICIPALITIES HERE, NEWBURN AND, AND REMEMBER BEING, UM, ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE LEGISLATURE RECOGNIZED THE NEED FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT ITS EDGES.
IT GIVES US THE TOOLS TO DO IT, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THAT.
UM, OUR FEELING IS THAT, UH, ATJ MAKES GOOD PLANNING, GOOD MANAGEMENT AND GOOD PUBLIC POLICY, AS FAR AS PROTECTING THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY, UH, THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR NEEDS, UM, THEIR CONCERN.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO IS HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE CITY FROM 1959.
1959, THEY WERE ROLLING SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF ROAD ROSS RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS
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DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET CRAVEN REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER.AND THAT WAS WARREN, LIKE ED SAYS, FRANK WOODS WAS JUST THAT WOODS AND FIELDS VERY WELL DEVELOPED SOME PLACE ALONG THE WATER'S EDGE.
AND THEN LAST WEEK, THIS LITTLE LADY BY HERE TAUGHT IN AT THE EDGE OF ORANGE BARS TO SEE HERE IS SEMI STREET.
IT'S BEEN TRADITIONALLY THE STORE GROWING TO THE WEST, AND WE NEED TO MOVE TO THE WEST WITH OUR PLANNING TOOLS TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS ONE THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF.
AND ONE, IT HELPS, UH, HELPS THE CITY INSTEAD OF DETRACTING FROM
AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS, OR I MAY ASK YOU A QUESTION TO THE MAJOR PLAYERS OR GROUPS OR PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS OR WHATEVER YOU MIGHT CALL IT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, OR THE PEOPLE IN GREENBRIAR, PEOPLE IN ROCKY RUN.
AND I GUESS THE FOLKS IN RIVERBEND, IS THAT TRUE? OR IS THERE ANOTHER GROUP OR, UM, AS FAR AS THE VOTES, ALL THE PROPOSALS OF THE CITY, YES.
I WOULD SAY THE NATURE OF THIS THING IS THE MAIN PLAYERS, THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, TRYING TO PROTECT ITS STABILITY INTERESTS AS IT MOVES WEST.
BUT THESE ARE THREE GROUPS THAT ARE, ARE AFFECTED BY THAT.
WHEN I, WHEN I WAS GOING TO SAY, IS IT, IS THERE A CONSENSUS JUST TAKING THEM ONE BY ONE OR THE PEOPLE FROM GREENBRIAR AS TO WHETHER THEY WANT IT DON'T WANT IT WELL, VERSION ONE OR VERSION TWO OR SOME THIRD VERSION OR WHATEVER, OR ARE YOU AWARE OF A CONSENSUS? UH, I CAN ANSWER THAT.
OF COURSE I HAVE SOME WHERE SOME FOLKS HERE FROM GREENBERG, BUT THE CONSENSUS OF THE CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS OF BAR IS THEY VERY MUCH WANT THIS PROTECTION BEHIND THEIR PROPERTY.
I MEAN, ONE OR TWO, WELL, IT'S ALL THE SAME.
IT'S JUST ONE PROPOSAL FOR THEM.
AND THAT'S OUR 10, OR IT MAY, MAY.
SO TALKING OUR 10 TONIGHT AND THEN TALKING ABOUT, GO TO AGRICULTURAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IF PEOPLE WOULD HIS LAND ONLY, IT COULD BE DONE.
ONE OF TWO WAYS, ONE, YOU COULD RESA ARCHIE IN THIS EVENING OR NOT RECENTLY, THIS IS THE INITIAL SALE, OR YOU CAN SIGN IT WITH THE NEIGHBOR ON THE PART OF THE BOARD, COME BACK WITH A MODIFICATION EIGHT AND NINE.
BUT I MEAN, IS THAT THAT'S NOT EITHER ALL A PROPOSAL NUMBER ONE OR SHEET NUMBER ONE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WHERE SHEET NUMBER TWO IS IT, SHE KIND OF ONE SHEET NUMBER TWO, THE AREA WEST OF THE SITE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M DRIVING AT.
IN OTHER WORDS, EITHER WAY, THE GREENBRIER FOLKS ARE TAKEN CARE OF PERIOD.
SO THAT, THEN THE NEXT QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU IS ROCKY RUN.
RON IS NOT IN MY OPINION, I GUESS, COME UP AND HAVE, THEY WILL AS WELL.
THE TITLE, VOICE HE HAS AS TO WHETHER THEY WANT TO GET OUT OR STAY ON THE SIDE.
AND IT WAS A PETITION FROM A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR WAY, ASKING TO BE LEFT ALONE AT THIS TIME.
BUT THE POINT I'M DRIVING, ANDY IS BEST CASE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS TO THEM YET.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO IS JUST ASK HIM A FEW QUESTIONS.
I DON'T WANT TO LET HIM SPEAK AND EXPLAIN IT.
I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT HE, HIS PERCEPTION IS AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THEN WE'LL HEAR, UM, THAT, UH, THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS SIT IN THE ROCK AND RUN AREA THAT IN SOME BUSINESSES IN ROCKY MOUNT AREA, THERE IS A LARGER NUMBER OF RESIDENCES IN THE ROCKY MOUNT AREA THAT CAN STAY IN OPPOSITION TO IT.
THAT MEANS DON'T WANT, DON'T MAKE IT PLAIN LANGUAGE HERE.
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UH, A LOT OF PROBABLY DANDY ATTRIBUTED TO MISINFORMATION.WHEN, I MEAN, ALL I'M GETTING AT WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN A MINUTE.
BUT MY POINT IS THAT THAT, THAT THE STATEMENT WAS MADE THAT THE SECOND SHEET THAT YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATES ROCKY RUN FROM CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME, EXCEPT FOR THE QUARTER, EXCEPT FOR THE CAR AND THE CAR IS, IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE CITY FEELS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE, PERIOD.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THE WHOLE WORKS IN JUST A SECOND, IF YOU'LL WITH, WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU WAIT, JUST SAY AND LET YOU ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE HE'S SITTING HERE SAYING NO, IT DOESN'T.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THE WORLD GOES.
THAT'S WHAT I LIKE ON CROSSFIRE.
WHEN I SAY IT AIN'T ONE, I WILL SAY IT IS, BUT WE NEVER KNOW WHAT IN THIS COURTHOUSE, WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF, UH, AND, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT I UNDERSTAND, RIVERBEND PRIMARY CONCERN IS MORE, THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT QUALITY.
THEY'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS THAT WE MAYOR MAYOR, MAYOR.
SO AT THAT POINT, IS ANYBODY WANT TO ASK HIM ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE LET THE PUBLIC GOT US THIS? I GUESS IT WAS AS WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF SENDING OUT ALL WAS ONE ROTTEN, HUH? OKAY.
REASON BEING, WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF CONCERN AND DESIRE TO TAKE OUT THE AREAS THAT, UH, UH, WELL ACTUALLY TAKE UP THE WHOLE AREA.
IT DOESN'T TAKE ALL THE ROCKY RUN.
UH, THERE WAS A REAL PROBLEM, UH, FOR US KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT 17 YEARS.
I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THE CITY TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK MAYOR RICHARD
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, UH, WHY DID YOU CHANGE THE GREENBRIER THING? OUR 10 DAY FIVE? UH, WELL, IT STARTED OUT WITH RJN, UH, BACK TO 85.
ONCE AGAIN, REFLECTING SOME OF THE MORE INCORRECT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TIMBER PHARMACY COMPANIES IN THIS AREA THAT WERE VERY AFRAID OF
IF IT GOES HARD, 10, IT'S GOING TO SHOOT THEIR PROPERTY VALUES UP ON WOODS LANE.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT THE BETTER YOU SAY NO, THEY SAY YES, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE IT'S ENOUGH IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS MAKE IT IS THE DESIGNATE THAT HE IS AS WOODS LAND.
AND THAT'S ALL IT'S, THERE'S JUST FOR TIMBER LOGGING FOR THOSE PEOPLE, HAVING IT, THEIR PROTECTED INTEREST AND THE FOLKS FROM THE REAL, OKAY.
THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY A MODIFICATION TO A FIVE, OR COME UP WITH AN 85 W THAT IS SOLELY FOR WOODLANDS.
AND WE WOULD TAKE OUT ANY LIVESTOCK OPERATIONS AND SO FORTH THAT COULD BE DONE ON A PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND SO WE CAN WORK EITHER WAY ABOUT, BUT THAT DOES SATISFY THE RESIDENTS OF GREENBRIER AS TO THEIR PROTECTION FOR THE
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING FROM MIKE? ALL RIGHT.
IF NOT, WE'LL LET MAYOR REGGIE COME FIRST SAMPLE BECAUSE HE'S THE MAYOR.
AND I MAY HAVE TO GO BEFORE HIS BOARD ONE DAY.
SO I WANT TO BE FIRST GOOD EVENING ON THE MAYOR OF RIVER I'M BILL RICHIE REPRESENTING THE CITIZENS
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WHENEVER I ATTEND TO HEARING THIS.SO WHAT I ALWAYS FOR FLU IS THAT I'VE OBSERVED OVER THE YEARS AND THAT IS THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE NEAR SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, AND HOSPITALS, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THEM.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE ZONING.
WE CAN ALL FIND SOMETHING TO AGREE ON, BUT THE CHANCES ARE SLIM THAT WE WILL ALL AGREE WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY, WE'VE EVER BEEN AS A COMMUNITY OF APPROXIMATELY 1400 RESIDENCES WORKING WITH MILITARY FAMILIES AND RETIREMENTS, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BUYERS ARE WELL ABOVE.
THE AVERAGE QUALITY OF THAT HOMES IS VERY HIGH.
THERE'S A UNIQUE CHARACTER TO OUR TOWN.
SUBURBAN WITH THE RURAL AIR RIVER BEND IS NOT HAVING A TJ AT THIS TIME.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY IF THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THE AREA AROUND RIVERBEND THAT THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN.
THE NEXT BEST THING IS TO SUPPORT NEWBORNS ETJ.
WHY DO WE SUPPORT ETJ IN THE AREA CAN TAKE US TO RIVER.
THEN WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A WIDE AREA.
ONLY A NARROW STRIP DOWN ROUTE 17 CORRIDOR.
THIS STRIP IS TO BE A BUFFER AREA TO PROTECT THE CHARACTER AND VALUE OF THE INVESTMENT WE'VE MADE IN OUR HOMES IS ALSO A GATEWAY.
THE CITY OF MOON, AND AS SUCH PRESENTS, THE FIRST IMPRESSION OF NEW IMPRESSIONS ARE VIOLENT, RIGHT? BUSINESSES ARE TO BE ATTRACTIVE.
ALL OF US CITIZENS AND PREGNANT, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED AREAS.
WE DO HAVE HER TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE
WE PROPOSE THAT THE PARCEL BOUNDED BY ROCKY RUN ROAD, THE ROCKY RUN CREEK AND HIGHWAY 17, THE ZONE PARKS CAN.
AND I THINK THAT THE SECOND PROPOSAL TONIGHT, JUST SAME FOR THE FIRST TIME.
NONE OF THAT PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT AT THIS TIME I GOING TO MOVE IT UP.
ALSO TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE
AND THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT YOU SAW ART ART, 10 OR 15.
AND WE FEEL THAT WE'VE EVER BEEN DESERVES THE SAME TREATMENT.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT PROPOSED CHANGES WILL BE FAVORABLY CONSIDERED.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, ART REALLY IS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WHAT IS MLA FIVE AREA NOW, UH, TO THE DOOR, THE SEVENTIES TO THE SALE OF 17 IS PRIMER OF THE WOODLAND HORSE STABLES AND WOODLANDS ARMING, OR VERY AGRICULTURAL TYPE OF USES.
AND YOU DON'T PASS THE AREA YOU DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE, AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY EXEMPTIONS.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE EVER BEEN IN THAT
THEN DOES THAT REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF RIVER BAND OR DOES SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON RIVER BAND NOW? JUST IF YOU'RE FROM WHEREVER, MAN.
WELL THIS, YEAH, JUST PULL IT CLOSE TO YOUR FACE.
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THAT WE WOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING THE AREA OF CARGO, BUT RATHER JUST, AND SO MY NOTES ARE NOT VERY GOOD NOTES, NOT GIVING US A LOT THOUGH.INSTEAD OF A LOT OF TIMES, YOU NEED TO STAY AT 2 98 PROPERTY ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FROM WRAPAROUND COMMUNITY, WHICH IS SURROUNDED BY ROCKY MOUNTAIN CREEK SANDRA'S CREEK.
HE HAD SMALL NOW FLAT BETWEEN THAT OLD HOTEL AND, UM, THE NEXT COMMUNITY SIDE AND THAT FRONTAGE IS NOW AND DROPS DOWN IMMEDIATELY INTO SO THE, THE FRONT OF HIS EYES, YOUR AREA, THE INTERIOR AREA HAS BEEN
WE CANNOT CLEAR AND SEE TREES AND YOU SEEK THE HELP OF FOSTER MANAGEMENT AND ARE HERE TO KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE LAND THAT'S TAKEN FOR MYSELF.
WE'VE HAD THAT BEFORE WE HAVE NOT MADE OUR, AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THESE, AND NOW I'M GOING TO READ MY NOTES.
THERE ARE, I MEAN, THESE ARE THE REASONS NOW INSTRUCT THAT'S THE END OF IT.
I'M STARTING TO REWRITE THE SPEECH RIGHT NOW.
THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH MY NEIGHBORS IN ROCKY RUIN.
I HAVE COME TO BELIEVE THAT WE, THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURN AND ROCKY MOUNTAIN AREA AND RIVERBEND HAVE A FAR MORE SERIOUS PROBLEM IN ZION.
THE PROBLEM THAT I REFER TO IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER.
WE MAKE NO ATTEMPT TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
AND AS A RESULT, WHY ARE WE WORRYING ABOUT PROTECTING OUR LAND VALUES? WE'RE FAILING TO SEE THE REAL GOAL ALL AROUND US.
THAT GOAL IS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE LAND.
I HAVE TO CONFESS THAT I AM THE CHIEF OFFENDER IN THIS AREA, GUILTY OF ONLY HAVING TIME AND INTEREST IN MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR THIS DEBATE OF THE ETJ EXTENSION OF NEWMAN, BECAUSE IT IS OPEN MY EYES.
THE FACT THERE ARE VERY WONDERFUL CHRISTIAN PEOPLE IN ROCK YOUR MIND.
AND I HOPE THAT THE TIES THAT WE AFFORDED DURING THIS TIME, AND YES, I SHOULD REALIZE THIS BEFORE MANY TIMES I HAVE NOT ONLY A DOOR, BUT SUPER DEEPLY.
AND LITERALLY I WAS CITIZEN OF ROCKY RUN COMMUNITY AND ASK FOR HELP AND NEVER BEEN REFUSED.
WE HAVE CODES, THIS IT SIDE BY SIDE, THE 43 VIEWS.
AND THAT'S NOT ANYTHING TO MAKE A JOKE ABOUT.
AND SO IT NEVER HAS OCCURRED TO ME NOT TO ASK FOR HELP WHEN I NEED IT.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS EXCEPT THE POLITICAL MEETING AND ROCKY RUN ASIDE FROM OTHER POLITICAL MEETINGS.
FIRST, WE NEED THE SOCIAL HALL A HUNDRED YEAR OLD CHURCH BEFORE ANY BUSINESSES DISCUSSED.
SOMEONE IS ASKED TO LEAVE HIM AND ALL JOIN IN KNOWING THE WORDS, EVEN WITHOUT HIM NEXT, SOMEONE READS FROM THE SCRIPT.
AFTER THAT, SOMEONE'S CALLED ON TO GIVE A PRIOR.
HAVING DOES PUT EVERYTHING IN PROPER PERSPECTIVE.
THE MEETING IS OPEN TO DISCUSS THE BUSINESS AT HAND.
FINALLY, BEFORE WE ARE DISMISSED, WE JOINED HANDS AND ANOTHER PRAYER I HAVE COME TO BELIEVE.
AND I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THIS WE'RE AT A CROSSROADS WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS TO SOW EITHER SEEDS OF BITTERNESS AND DIVISIVENESS OR HARMONY AND COHESIVENESS.
THE ISSUE OF ETJ EXTENSION SHRINKS AND IMPORTANCE IN COMPARISON TO THE LARGER ISSUE OF HOW WE TREAT OUR NEIGHBORS AND JUST HOW MUCH MORE, HOW MUCH MORE WE WOULD ALL BENEFIT FROM A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO GET TO KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS INSTEAD OF IMPOSING OUR WILL ON THEM.
I PRAY THAT YOU WILL NOT PASS THIS PROPOSED EXTRA TUTORIAL, TUTORIAL EXTENSION, AND THAT YOU WILL WORK WITH MEN DEEPEN AND STRENGTHEN THE HUMAN TIDES AND NEWBURN ROCKY, RON, AND TO REMAIN.
NOW, I AM TO THIS EXTENT, AND THESE ARE THE REASONS FIRST, THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS IN ROCKY RUN
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AND THE AFFECTED AREA, 17 SOUTH ARE OPPOSED TO IT.AND A PETITION OF 196 CITIZENS OF THE AREA TO THE OFTEN IN OPPOSITION OF THE PLAN, PROVE THIS AND LIGHT OF THIS.
THE PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY WOULD PROHIBIT SECOND COMMUNITIES.
ROCKY RUN HAS A UNIQUE HISTORY AND A SENSE OF PLACE.
AND THIS AREA IT'S SPECIAL CHARACTERS SHOULD BE RESPECTED AND ALLOWED TO EXIST INDEPENDENTLY.
AS IT HAS IN THE, THE ROCKY RUN, THE CITIZENS HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO GET THEIR LAND.
THEY TRY TO KEEP IT WITHIN THEIR FAMILY HOMES, PRIVATE ROOMS. THEY HAVE A SENSE OF COMFORT AND SECURITY IN THEIR HOUSE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE ARE NEGATIVES IN EVERY BIN OR MOVING ANYWHERE ELSE SHOULD LOOK DOWN ON THEM AND SAY, THIS HAS TO BE THE SOUTH OF BAMA BECAUSE IT MAKES OUR HANDBAGS BACK.
I THINK IT'S WRONG WHEN WE JUDGE PEOPLE THE SOUTH HOUSE.
I JUST WANT TO BE UP FRONT ABOUT THAT.
WHAT WILL THE RESULT OF THE CITIZEN OR CITIZENS OF THIS EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION? WOULD YOU SAY? THE SENTENCE MENTIONED THIS, THE FIRST MEETING OF THE PLANET ON OCTOBER 3RD, THAT IT WAS A FEAR OF THE CITIZENS OF ROCKY MOUNTAIN, THAT EDITORIAL TOOL JURISDICTION WOULD LEAD ANNEXATION AND THE ANNEXATION WOULD LEAD THE HIGHER TAXES.
HIGHER TAXES WOULD MAKE THEM EVENTUALLY HAVE TO SELL THE LAND.
BUT THEN WE HAD TO MOVE INTO THE INNER CITY INTO APARTMENTS IN MORE CROWDED CONDITIONS WHERE THEY WOULD BE FACED WITH MORE CRIME AND PERHAPS HAVE TO RELY HEAVILY, HEAVILY MORE AND MORE HEAVILY, UM, THE CITY AND THE STATE FOR WELFARE.
SO I THINK IS THE REAL GOOD AT TIME.
OUR COUNTRY IS FACING A HUGE DEFICIT AND WOULD LIKE TO VALUE SERVICES AND, AND, AND THINGS LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OR TRYING TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE AND WONDER CITIZENS IN A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS, WHO IS ON THEIR OWN INITIATIVE BY THE SWEAT OF THEIR BROW, DONE FOR THEMSELVES, WHERE THEY HAVE A HOME THAT I THINK IS A STEP BACKWARDS TO DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD HURT AND DISRESPECT.
NOW I'LL HAVE TO SAY ONE THING ON ANOTHER SUBJECT, OUR CITY PANISSE PREVENT, PRESENT YOU SEVERAL TIMES, WHICH SO MANY PATIENTS STAY.
COULD YOU NOT WANT TO? WE ARE INDEPENDENT PEOPLE.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, MORE PLANNING, PICTURE OF HOW IT SHOULD BE.
ANOTHER THING I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER ZONING SOMETIMES IS GOOD, BUT I THINK ZONING CAN PRESCRIBE BLAND.
IF YOU ZONE A PLACE, THEN YOU'RE SAYING THIS PLACE IS FOR COMMERCIAL.
THIS LAND IS THERE FOR PROMOTE.
AND YOU SAY, IT'S JUST PRETENDING LIKE WHATEVER.
AND THEREFORE THIS LAND IS LESS.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S PRESCRIBED THE VALUE OF THAT LAND? AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS IN REAL ESTATE, I LEARN AND I DO BELIEVE IT'S TRUE THAT LAND VALUES, BUT USUALLY THE GERMAN
AND I CAN SEE THAT THAT WAS PROVEN IN NEWBURN IN THE EARLY DAYS WHEN WE WERE AT PORT CITY, ALL DOWNTOWN, THAT AWARDS AND, AND WAREHOUSES.
BUT AS WE GOT OUT OF THAT SYSTEM OF BEING A PORT CITY AND MOVING TO THE CITY, THOUGH, TOURISM, IT WAS MORE PRACTICAL FOR HOTELS TO BE BUILT ON THE WATERFRONT.
NOW WHO'S TO SAY THAT 200 YEARS FROM NOW, IT WON'T BE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR A ROCKET LAUNCH.
I THINK WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE CITIZENS WHO ARE LIVING NOW AND NOT TOO FAR.
I'M INJECTING A LITTLE HUMOR HERE.
YOU MIGHT NOT SEE THE FINE, BUT, UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD TWO TIMES THAT THE REASON FOR THIS PLANNING ON MY PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT IT WAS SO THE 200 YEARS FROM NOW, MY CHILDREN'S CHILDREN WOULD MAKE A MISTAKE AND SELL IT TO THE WRONG PERSON.
WHEN I TELL THIS TO MY CHILDREN, THEY LAUGHED AND SAID, WELL, DOES THAT MEAN ONCE YOU PUT YOUR PLAN IN JAIL, THEIR DESCENDANTS WON'T COMMIT A CRIME.
I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENT COLLEGE, AS FAR AS PROTECTING YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS FROM BUSINESSES AND FACTORIES AND THINGS THAT YOU THINK.
I THINK THE WRONG PLACE TO PUT PRESSURES ON THE LAND.
IF THE BUSINESS IS TRUE UNDESIRABLE, THEN IT SHOULD BE,
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YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE LAND, NOT TO SELL TO HONKY, TONK, WHATEVER YOU THINK IS ON WHATSAPP.IF IT'S ON WHATSAPP AND IT SHOULD BE CATALOG, AND IT SHOULD BE THE BUSINESS OF THE LAW TO ENFORCE NOT THE LAND OF I MAY HAVE SKIPPED SOME THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS SPEECH HAS BEEN ORIGINALLY WAS 10 MINUTES.
I THINK YOU GET A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW SINCERE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT ATLANTA MANDATES AND NOT CONSIDER THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, WHO HAVE LIVED FOR GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS.
AND I'M JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS.
IF WE ARE EXPECTED TO, IF WE'VE BEEN IN GENERATIONS, THE OLD TIMERS ARE EXPECTED TO WELCOME A NEW CONGRESS.
A NEW COUNTRY SHOULD ALSO BE EXPECTED TO ARM.
DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING AND A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, YOU HAVE IN YOUR OPENING, YOU WERE MENTIONING, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS THAT, UH, THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ZONING AND THAT, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THOSE CONCERNS ARE NOT THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED TO THIS BOARD.
WE'RE NOT INTO, UH, MAKING SURE YOU KNOW, YOUR NEIGHBOR.
AND THEN, THEN THE SECOND THING WAS YOU, YOU, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT SOME OF THIS ZONING IS GOING TO PUT SOME STIPULATION ON HOW LARGE YOUR HOME IS.
ZONING HAS ZONING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR HOME.
I THINK SIZE YOUR HOME COMES IN WHEN YOU'RE IN A, IN A DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR STRICT, RESTRICTED COVENANTS.
SO ZONING ZONING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF HOMES.
THE OTHER THING YOU SAID THAT, UH, EXTRA TERRITORY JURISDICTION WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD TO AN EQUATION THAT IS POSSIBLE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT IT WILL CREATE MORE CRIME.
YOU SAY IT'S GOING TO CREATE SOME CRIME MORE THAN LIKELY.
AND THEN, AND THEN, THEN THE OTHER THING IS YOU, YOU, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT, UH, THAT WE ARE PUTTING BURDEN ON A LANDOWNER OWNER TO NOT SELL TO UNLAWFUL BUSINESSES OF WHATEVER.
I THINK WHAT ELSE DOING THE EXTRA TERRITORY JURISDICTION THAT'S THAT, THAT IS BAD.
THAT IS PUTTING THE BURDEN BASICALLY ON US TO SAID, YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT HERE.
AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL HAVE, HAVE TO SAY YES OR NO.
SO WHAT NOW? AND, AND YOUR SETTING IS NOT THE BUSINESS TO TELL A MAN THAT HE CAN'T HAVE IS THE BUSINESS OF OVER THE LAW.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH HIS OWN.
SOME THINGS ARE UNDESIRABLE, BUT NOT ALONE.
YOU CAN'T RUN ALL OVER THE CONSTITUTION AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I MEAN, WE COULD WISH IT WAS SO, BUT IT'S NOT.
LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS IF A GOOD AND I HAVE, UH, I HAVE A TREMENDOUS, UH, CONCERN AND FEELING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR THIS EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
ONE OF THEM BEING THAT I BELIEVE IN THE COUNTRY IN THE WAY IT WAS FOUNDED AND EVERY MAN'S HOME IS HIS CASTLE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I MEAN, I, I BELIEVE IT AS MUCH AS THOMAS JEFFERSON AND THE RAS BELIEVING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE PROBLEM THAT COMES IN, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO WEIGH FACTORS TO DECIDE WHICH WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO, THE RIGHT THING TO DO OR WHATEVER IT BOTHERS ME WHEN, WHEN THINGS ARE SORTA MIXED TOGETHER IN THE ARGUMENT.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS DONE THIS INTENTIONALLY, BUT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE ONE CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THAT'S EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANNEXATION.
WELL, WELL, LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN, LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU.
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TWO WEEK AT ANNEX IT TO MATE, BUT, BUT I, BUT LET ME, BUT LET ME POINT OUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU.THE CONSIDERATION OF EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION SHOULD NOT BE DETERMINED BY WHETHER SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE PAYING TAXES OR NOT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT SCARES SOMEBODY, OH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY TORAL JURISDICTION.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY ENDS UP OFF THE FARM AND THEN AN APARTMENT IN THE INNER CITY THAT WAS SCARE ME TO DEATH.
AND WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
I WENT OUT AND TALKED TO THE PEOPLE IN ROCKY RUN AND, AND I HEARD THEM SAY WITH MY OWN EARS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT AREA.
LIKE IT IS, WELL, LET ME, WELL, LET ME, OKAY.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME CONTINUE WHAT I'M SAYING.
I TURNED TO MIKE AVERY, WHO'S SUPPOSED TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT PLANNING AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND I SAID, MIKE, UNDER THE LAW, IF, IF, IF A GROUP OF FOLKS WANTED TO KEEP THINGS AS IT IS, HOW CAN YOU DO IT? HOW CAN THAT BE GUARANTEED? WELL, ONE WAY YOU COULD BE IS A VERY SOLD AND ROCKY RUN MADE A PACK AND NEVER SELL OUT TO ANYBODY EXCEPT THE VERY SAME PEOPLE IN THE FAMILY AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING OR WHATEVER.
MOST OF US CAN AGREE AT NIGHT IN THEIR OWN FAMILY ON WISE FOR SUFFER MUCH LAST, THAT MANY PEOPLE AGREE IN FROM HERE THERE ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.
SO, SO ZONING WAS BORN OF THAT IDEA.
AND THAT IDEA WAS THAT YOU DECIDED THE WAY THINGS ARE AND THE WAY YOU WANT TO KEEP IT IN THE ZONE.
AND THEN EVERYBODY HOPEFULLY LIVES HAPPILY EVER AFTER.
EXCEPT WHEN THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE JUST LIKE THEY COME UP HERE BEFORE US AND THEY'RE ANY OF IN THE CITY AND WANT US TO CHANGE THE ZONING.
AND THAT IS DEMOCRACY AT ITS BEST BECAUSE IT'S THE LARGE MASS OF PEOPLE WANTING TO CHANGE, NOT ONE PERSON THAT SELLS OUT AND RUINS IT FOR EVERYBODY.
SO LIKE THE PROSPECT OF ZONING, I SURELY KNOW THAT I WOULD WANT IT TO BE ZONED.
AND I'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT WELL, WELL, THE, THE THING THAT IS PROBLEMS I'VE GOT THERE AND WHERE IT IS, I THINK THAT THEY HAVE, UH, DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM STILL MISCONCEPTION ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS, WHAT IT'S ABOUT, WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO, THE WHOLE BUSINESS.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE IN YOUR HOUSE.
YOU HAVE VARIOUS FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES.
EVEN TODAY, THEY CALL IT ZONES.
SOME PEOPLE DO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A ZONE FOR HEAT AND THEN A ZONE FOR SLEEPING.
AND SOME OTHER FUNCTIONS, ONE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE MOST FOLKS DON'T WANT TO MIX THOSE FUNCTIONS TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S WHAT ZONING IS ABOUT.
AND ZONING IS NOT A BAD THING WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, IT'S A BAD THING.
IF IT WAS THE FORCE UPON PEOPLE, A BIG CHANGE IN THEIR LIFE.
AND I WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO THAT.
BUT I JUST, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGHER TAXES, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAXES.
IN FACT, IN FACT, IT BRINGS THEM SOME BENEFITS.
WELL, THERE'S SOME THINGS I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I'VE TRIED TO SAY THIS RULE THAT'S BEING PROTECTED.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE LIKE A HALF A MILE BETWEEN DR.
ROMAN AND BIG EVENTS WHERE THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WALL-TO-WALL STUFF, BUSINESS MAYHEM.
AND I'M THINKING TO MYSELF, ARE THEY PRESERVING THIS FOR PEOPLE TO GO HOMES ON THIS FALLING? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN, WHY YOU'RE NOT WITH IT? SO THAT SEEMS A LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT THE BIT TO THAT THE PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU KNEW IT GETS VIDEO.
LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF JUST WHAT MIKE POINTED OUT SETBACK.
MIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL HIM WHY YOU SHOULD HAVE SAT BACK? AND THERE IS NO SETBACK FOR THOSE BUSINESSES RIGHT NOW THAT PUT THEM AS THEY WANT.
AND THE CLOSER TO THOSE USES ARE THE LESSONS.
YOU CAN GO WITH IT, BUT IF YOU NEED TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO NOT MISS UP TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH.
ISN'T THAT IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO DO THE TRAVEL AND TRANSPORTATION, KATE TELL THEM, I MEAN, WHAT THE SETBACK AND SO FORTH IS, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE DO, RIGHT? THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT I'VE HEARD YOU SAID THAT THEY WERE UPSET BECAUSE OF THE STRIP MALL NOT RUN OFF.
I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT SIX LANE HIGHWAY 17, 14.
HOW DO WE TRANSFER IT OVER HERE? AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT A FEW LITTLE STRIP MALLS, HAVE A PAVEMENT.
WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO THESE PLACES LIKE WALMART AND A MALL, ET CETERA.
AND YOU'VE GOT EDGAR'S APARTMENT.
I MEAN, IT WAS JUST REALLY, IT'S JUST, I DON'T GET THESE PEOPLE CAN EXIT THE PARKING LOT, BUT THESE CAN'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR TWO PEOPLE DEPARTMENT.
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GET THAT HERE.I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S JUST SO MANY MS. JONES.
I THINK ONE GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE ZONING WILL.
IF YOU'RE GOING BACK TOWARDS RIVERBEND, HE WANTS YOU TO GO PAST THE ROCKY ROAD ROAD IN BETWEEN YOU GOING IN ROCKINGHAM ROAD AND WHERE YOU COME BACK OUT, ROCK AND ROAD.
THE GOOD EXAMPLE OF NOT BEING ZONED RESIDENTIAL IS THAT YOU GOT THREE HOUSES, YOU GOT A BUSINESS, YOU GOT TWO HOUSES, YOU GOT RUN A BUSINESS.
AND ANYONE THAT HAS A HOME TO ME WOULD LIKE TO BE IN AN AREA WHERE MY NEIGHBORS, ALL OF US LIVE AT HOME AND NOT HAVE A RENTAL PLACE IN BETWEEN ME AND MY NEIGHBOR TRUCKS OUT THERE TO HERE THERE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT ZONE ARE WE LOOKING AT IT ONCE AFTER THE BIG PICTURE, IF YOU'RE BEING COHESIVE IN ZONE, YOU PUT IT THINGS TOGETHER THERE 7 23 BIRD STREET RAILS.
AND THE SAND PROBLEM IS NEXT TO US.
I MEAN THE OPINION OF THOSE JOHNSON AND LIFE-FORCE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE HER AND ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND WHILE I WAS HOPING IS BY ASKING SOME OF HER QUESTIONS, IT MAY, PRE-ANSWERED SOME LEVELS.
IT MAY GET UP, BUT THAT'S, WE CAN, IF YOU'D LIKE MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHERS WILL ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
LESLIE, TARA, WE, THE, THIS, WE GOT HANDS POPPING UP ALL OVER.
IS THERE ANY ORDER? LET'S SAY WE GOT, UH, I GUESS ROCKY RYAN FOLKS, ANYBODY HERE FROM ROCKY RUN ONE IN THE BACK, LET HIM COME FORWARD.
WE'LL DO THAT PART AND MOVE ON TO THERE'S ONE GUY, GOOD AFTERNOON OR EVENING EVERYONE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I LIVE AT 4 21 ROCKY RUN ROAD.
AND ALTHOUGH THERE ARE NAMES ON A PETITION THAT IS TIMED BY ROCKY ROAD MEMBERS.
THERE ARE THOSE OF THE ROCKET WORKER COMMUNITY WHO HAD THE INTELLECT TO KNOW THAT WE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF THIS EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
WE KNOW THAT THE TIME HAS COME, BUT WE CAN NO LONGER HOLD ON TO OUR PAST.
AND WE MUST SET IT FREE TO GO INTO OUR FUTURE.
WE NEED THESE TYPES OF LAWS AND BARRIERS AROUND US TO PROTECT US FROM THE BEST CHANGE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
WHEN THE GLOBAL TRANSPARK HAPPENED, WHEN THE, UM, AIRPORT EXPANSE RIVER BEING EXTENDED ITS JURISDICTION, WHEN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH WOMEN AND MAY CONTINUE TO HAVE BABIES, OKAY, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WILL GROW.
AND WE EXPECT THAT GROWTH TO AFFECT US DOWN TUSCARORA ROAD IN OUR BACKSIDE, UP BEHIND GREENBRIAR.
THOSE OF US FROM ROCK COMMUNITY KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE.
WHO KNOWS THAT THE CHANGE IS UPON US AND IT WILL HAPPEN WITH, OR WITHOUT OUR CONSENT.
NOW I SPEAK FOR SEVERAL PEOPLE IN ROCK AND ROLL COMMUNITY WHO DID SIGN PETITION.
MANY OF US SIGNED A PETITION BECAUSE IF THEY WOULD LEAVE IT THAT WAY WITH ACCEPT CHANGE, WE WOULD ACCEPT REMAINING THE SAME.
BUT WE KNOW THAT THE CAUSATION OF LIFE DOES NOT PERMIT US TO HAVE THAT OBSTACLE.
WE KNOW THAT CHANGE IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH OR WITHOUT OUR CONSENT.
SO WHEN YOU DO MAKE YOUR CONSIDERATION AS TO WHAT YOU DO IN THAT AREA, PLEASE DO CONSIDER.
SOMETIMES WE MIGHT HAVE TO GIVE UP WHAT WAS OUR PATH TO HAVE A SAFER AND MORE PRODUCTIVE FUTURE.
I WANT TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF NEWBURGH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO OUR FUTURE IN A POSITIVE MANNER AND WILL NOT HINDER OUR GROWTH WOULD NOT HINDER OUR WAY OF LIFE.
AND IT WON'T CHANGE WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT WILL MAKE US A GREATER COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK WE'LL BE AN ASSET TO THE CITY.
UM, IN EXTRATERRITORIAL, I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TARA EXTRA TERRITORY JURISDICTION, ANNEX STATION.
SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH THOSE OF US WHO UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU.
THAT WAS ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE FROM ROCKY.
NOW, I GUESS GREENBRIAR WOULD BE NEXT, WHO WANTS TO COME FORTH?
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THIS, UH, UH, 85 AND 85 W AND, UH, ACTUALLY IT SOUNDS GOOD TO LEAVE IT AS, UH, AGRICULTURAL WOODLAND.UH, IF IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR FOREST AREA FOR FOREST GROVE, THEN THAT WOULD BE APPEALING TO US, BUT, UH, WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, EXAMINE BOTH PLANS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THAT TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS.
UH, I'M STAN LETTUCE, 1325 PINE VALLEY DRIVE IN NUBER I'M PRESIDENT OF THE GREENBRIER PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THE GREENBERG COMMUNITY CONSISTS OF MORE THAN 1500 VOTERS AND TAXPAYERS WHO DELIBERATELY CHOSE THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, INCLUDING PLANNING AND ZONING PROTECTION.
SINCE ETJ DIRECTLY IMPACTS OUR WESTERN BOUNDARY.
WE OFFER OUR COMPLETE SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL UNDER CONSIDERATION.
UH, PROBABLY THE ONE THAT IS NOW BEING AMENDED, UH, BY THE PLANNING STAFF, UH, TO INCLUDE THE CORRIDOR BETWEEN GREENBRIER AND HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH.
IT IS YOURS, THE BEST PROTECTION FOR THE CITY, FOR THE LONGTERM.
IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF NATIONALLY ACCEPTED STANDARDS FOR LAND USE MANAGEMENT.
IF THE ZONING FOLLOWS THE COMMON SENSE OF REASONABLE PROTECTION AGAINST UNWANTED LIVESTOCK AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY THE SECTION DIRECTLY WEST OF GREENBRIER OR SOUTHWEST OF GREENBERG SHOULD NOT BE ACTED UPON WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY.
AND WE HOPE YOU WILL DO THAT TONIGHT.
EVEN THE COUNTY FOLKS, THE PLANNING OFFICIALS IN THE COUNTY AND THE COMMISSIONERS THERE, WHOM WE CHECKED WITH THINK ETJ IS THE SMARTEST WAY TO GO FOR CITY RESIDENTS THAT HAVE INSURANCE AGAINST UNFAVORABLE, FUTURE GROWTH, A MILE OUT INTO THE COUNTY FROM THE CITY LIMITS.
WE DO HOWEVER, HAVE FREE CONCERNS THAT THE ETJ BE ACTED UPON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PARTICULARLY IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THE RESIDENTS SUPPORTED AND NOT BE INCLUDED IN DELAYED ACTIONS ON A GRAND PLAN FOR ALL AREAS AROUND THE CITY, WE ARE TOLD THERE ARE NO STATUTORIAL POLITICAL OR ECONOMIC REASONS THAT PREVENT PIECEMEAL ADOPTION AND EVERY CONSENTED TO ENACT IT THAT WAY TO STAY AHEAD OF THE DEVELOPMENT FOR AS DESCRIBED BY YOUR PLANNING STAFF AND THE PLANNING AND ON BOARD, THE ZONING IN OUR SECTION SHOULD PREVENT LIVESTOCK ENTERPRISES OR DENSITY PROBLEMS OR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT MAY HAVE EARTHLY AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES AND DRAINAGE INTO ONE OF OUR MAIN DRAINAGE DITCHES ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THIRD, THAT THE ROUTE OF THE PROPOSED BOSH BOULEVARD EXTENSION BE RETHOUGHT, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT IS TO BE REDRAWN FARTHER WEST OF GREENBRIER, TO PRECLUDE REZONING LATER, THAT WOULD CREATE DEVELOPMENT PROBLEMS FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I SEE NO REASON WHY THERE SHOULD BE ANY FURTHER DELAY.
THIS, THIS HAS BEEN, I BELIEVE POSTPONE FOUR TIMES AND I DON'T SEE ANY REASON.
AND NEITHER DO THOSE OF US WHO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL FOR ANY FURTHER DELAY IN ENACTING IT WITH THE PROPER ZONING AND WITH THESE PROPER PRECAUTIONS WRITTEN IN.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH.
UH, PAGE NUMBER TWO, SATISFIES IS REQUIREMENTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? MIKE? I'M SURE ONE DOES.
CAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE PAGE TWO IS PAGE ONE IS EVERYTHING.
DID YOU, HAVE YOU HEARD THIS, MR. LETTUCE? WHAT DID WE TALK ABOUT WITH 85 CLASSIFICATION COULD BE AMENDED TO LIMIT THE SIZE OF LOBSTER LIVESTOCK OPERATIONS TO GIVE OUT LARGE COMMERCIAL ONES, BUT ALLOW FOR SMALLER USES, SAY A HUNDRED OR LESS.
SOMEBODY HAS GOT TWO CHICKENS AND THEY LIVE ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
IT WOULDN'T BE IN VIOLATION, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW
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IS HE HAD TAKEN A STEP FURTHER THAN THAT GOING WITH THE TIMBERLAND USE ONLY.AND I THINK WE DO WHAT IT IS NOW.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS OF GREENBRIER COULD BE HAPPY WITH.
AND IF THEY GET SOMETHING TO THE FOLKS THAT OWN THE PROPERTY, THE WAREHOUSERS AND CHAMPION PAPER, WHOEVER ELSE OWNS IT COULD LIVE WITH TO, TO PROTECT THEM FROM GETTING IN THERE A COMMON SITUATION FOR, I DON'T EVEN KEEPING THINGS LIKE IT IS.
AND THE BOSCH ROAD THAT, THAT IS, THAT'S JUST A LINE ON EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND.
THAT'S JUST A LINE THAT WE PUT ON A MAP.
THERE'S NOTHING SET IN CONCRETE.
WE JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF OUR CONCERN FOR IT BECAUSE, SO EVEN AS WE GET, CAUSE WE DID, AS WE GROW, IT MAY BE TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE CITY TO SET THAT ROAD OUT FATHER.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME, REMEMBER WHEN THE ROAD WAS A LONG WAY OUT.
IT'S NOT SO LONG WAY OUT ANYMORE.
SO THAT MOVING OUT MAY BE EVEN MORE ADVANTAGEOUS.
WELL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? AND HE DIDN'T SAY FOR, FROM GREENBRIER AREA OR HAVE WE HEARD BASE BELL ARGUMENTS? WELL, WE'VE GOT TWO, TWO POSSIBILITIES THAT LAYER THAT WE CAN VOTE ON EITHER 1, 2, 3, OR FOUR.
WHAT IS THAT? I CAN'T SEE BACK THERE.
IS HE THERE? YES, THERE HE IS.
WHO'S THE CHAIRMAN NAB COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS AIR WITH US TONIGHT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING LEE OVEN? UH, ONCE YOU DO
MR. EDWARDS, THAT LANE SCOTT TONIGHT AND THE C3 ZONING NORTH OF HIGHWAY 17, AS MIKE MENTIONED, 1600 FEET APPROXIMATELY ON AVERAGE, ONE SECOND.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU TURN IT SO I CAN SEE IT WHEN I GOT, UH, AH, WHICH PROPERTY MIKE, WHAT PROPERTY IS THIS? UM, TOTALLY WHERE HE'S COMING.
YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS LITTLE THING HERE? NO WORRIES.
YOU RUN LITTLE BRANCH OR SOMETHING.
BETWEEN THE BRANCH AND WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO DEER? THANK YOU VERY MUCH RIGHT HERE.
YOU SEE IT BOMBING ALL THE TIME, TRYING TO GET IT TOMORROW.
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ALONG THE HIGHWAY.THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN IS NOT A WORKING DRAWING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS WOODED BACK HERE AND IT'S TOO LOW TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO IF THAT COULD ALSO PROVIDE A BUFFER ZONE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA BEHIND IT.
SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE ANY CONFLICT THERE, MR. SKOSH IDEAS, BUT VINTAGE TYPE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OUT HERE.
THIS IS TALKING HERE, BUT THAT'S THE DISTRICT.
A PARKING COULD BE AROUND THESE COMMERCIALS INSTEAD OF MARKING LOSS GIVES A MUCH BETTER APPEARANCE AND ALSO INTERFERE OFF ROCKY ROAD.
AND
AND THERE WAS NOT MUCH DEMAND FOR DEVELOPMENT THEN, BUT RECENTLY, MAYBE IT'S NOTICED THAT NEW WIND IS MOVING WEST.
SO HE THINKS TIMING IS RIGHT FOR HIM, FOR HIS BUSINESS AND ALSO ON OTHER BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTIAL THAT THERE'S DEMAND FOR THIS PRODUCT, THAT THIS PLAN CONCEPT IS FINE COMMERCIAL IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE FACT, BUT THE DENTURE WOULD COME AS DEMANDED C3.
I UNDERSTAND WILL ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH COMMERCIAL AND MR. SCOTT, ONE OF HIS PROBLEMS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY TO FALL.
AND I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED WITHOUT EVEN WITH OTHER PROPERTY AROUND IT WITHOUT INTERFERING.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A NICE DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ENGLISH VILLAGE TIME, WHICH HE HAS.
SO IT WOULDN'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE IF THAT EXTRA TERROR JURISDICTION IS NOT ADOPTED, THEN YOU CAN DO WHATEVER HE PLEASED WITHIN REASON.
BUT IF IT EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION IS ADOPTED AND THIS IS INCLUDED, THEN IT WOULDN'T LET THE DIFFERENCE OF C3 IS WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE PUTTING ON THAT PROGRESS.
I MAY ASK YOU SOMETHING, OH, YOU DONE? I DIDN'T KNOW.
I WANT TO ASK MIKE, UH, THE FIRST PROPOSAL, IF YOU WHEEL VERSUS THE SECOND PROPOSAL, UH, ROCKY, RON IS ELIMINATED FROM THE SECOND AND PROBABLY THIS ONE.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS REMOVED FROM WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE 2ND OF AUGUST 17, WHERE IT WOULD TAKE PLACE THE BUS 17, THAT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ALL NUBER, UH, AS FAR AS HOW THAT DEVELOPS THE AREAS BEHIND THAT, WHICH ARE PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS UNDER THE OPTION, TWO ARE EXEMPTED, BUT MY POINT IS WHERE THESE ROCKY RUN PEOPLE NOT TOLD THAT THEY WERE NOT IN THIS LANE.
THEY WERE TAKEN OUT A PROPOSAL, NUMBER TWO, UH, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
AND I THINK ALDERMAN PENDLETON AND THE MAYOR BOTH KNOW THIS BECAUSE I SPOKE TO THEM.
I HAD A CALL FROM REPRESENTATIVE
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WAINWRIGHT, UH, ABOUT THIS MEETING TONIGHT.AND HE REQUESTED ONCE AGAIN THAT THIS BE POSTPONED BY PERIOD OF ABOUT 30 DAYS.
AND THE REASON THAT HE CITED WAS THAT THE PEOPLE IN ROCKY RUN COMMUNITY HAD NOT HAD A CHANCE TO COME TO ANY UNIFORM, UH, OPINION ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE OR WHY IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE AS FAR AS COMING IN OR NOT COMING INTO THE ETJ.
AND HE WANTED TIME FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO, UH, GET TOGETHER ON THAT ISSUE.
AND SO HE, AT THAT POINT REQUESTED A, UH, ADJOURNMENT OF THIS MEETING, SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT TOOK PLACE, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO I DIDN'T CALL, UH, MAYOR BAYLESS TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT.
HE, HE EXPRESSED NO OBJECTIONS.
AND SO SINCE IT'S RIGHT THERE IN ALDERMAN PENDLETON'S BOARD ALSO CALLED HIM AND, UH, ALDERMAN PENDLETON, UH, INDICATED THAT IF IT TOOK IT IN ORDER TO GET THE ATJ FOR, UH, UH, GREENBRIER COMMUNITY, THAT WAS A PRIME CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THAT COMMUNITY HAD BEEN WITHOUT THE TJ COVERAGE FOR A LONG TIME.
HE EVEN TO THE EXCLUSION OF THE ROCKY MOUNT AREA.
SO AT THAT TIME I REQUESTED THAT MIKE, A, UH, PLAN THAT EXCLUDED ROCKY RUN FROM THE, UH, ETJ MIKE EXPRESSED SIMILAR CONCERNS TO ME ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE THERE BEFORE YOU NOW.
AND SINCE ALDERMAN PENDLETON HAD REQUESTED, I ASKED MIKE TO GIVE HIM A CALL TO CLEAR WHATEVER MIGHT BE IN THERE, UH, WITH ALDERMAN PENDLETON, BUT REPRESENTATIVE WAINWRIGHT WAS THEN TOLD THAT, UH, THAT THE ROCKY RUN COMMUNITY WAS OUT OF THE, UH, CONSIDERATION.
IF WE WERE GOING TO ADOPT IT TONIGHT, IF NOT, UH, THEN WE WOULD, UH, PROBABLY GO AHEAD AND POSTPONE IT AGAIN AS HE HAD REQUESTED, BUT, UH, UH, THAT IS THE HISTORY OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND HOW IT HAS GONE ON.
AND SO, UH, I GUESS, YES, SIR.
I DID TELL, UH, REPRESENTATIVE WAINWRIGHT THAT ROCKY RUN WAS OUT OF THE CONSIDERATION FOR THIS, IF IT WAS TO BE ADOPTED TONIGHT.
UH, AND SO HE MAY HAVE, HE WAS, UH, LED TO BELIEVE THAT, AND, UH, THAT, THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT HAS TRANSPIRED UP AT THIS POINT.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH US NOT BEING BOUND BY WHAT YOU TOLD HIM, PLEASE, BECAUSE I'M NOT, I DON'T, I'M NOT LOUD ABOUT NO, BUT SEE, THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THAT I WAS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO CLOSE IT OR WE DON'T MOVE.
AND MR. WARD, WE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS AND JUST A MINUTE, NO WORRY.
YOU NEVER MESS WITH ANOTHER PERSON'S SPOUSE.
IF YOU GOT ANY SENTENCE, YOU NEVER, UH, WELL, THE BOTTOM LINE IS PEOPLE GET REAL UPSET.
IT'S JUST AS OBVIOUS HERE AS TO WHAT YOU DO AND ABOUT THE PRODUCT.
AND I I'VE LISTENING TO A LOT OF THINGS HAD BEEN SAID AT NIGHT.
AND I WAS TELLING THE ATTORNEY FOR MANY YEARS, SOME OF YOU KNOW, HAVE BLOCKED.
AND THE, A LOT OF TIMES ABOUT YOUR LANGUAGE KIND OF CAME TO MIND AND AGGRESSIVE AND HOMELY, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS NO ALIMONY IN YOUR, UM, I WAS RAISED RIGHT NOW AND HE HAD HALF A BLOCK DOWN THE STREET.
AND WHEN I FIRST MOVED DOWN THERE, THE CITY HALL WAS NEXT DOOR TO MY MOTHER'S HOUSE, WHICH WAS WHERE YOU HAVE AN AUTO SUPPLY IS.
AND THEY HAD HORSES IN THE BACKYARD AND WE SMELLED THE HORSES, BUT NOBODY THOUGHT ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THAT WAS WHERE IT WAS.
AND ALSO AT THAT SAME TIME DOWN AT THE EDGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHERE CHD IS THERE'S PLACE CALLED, WE DID A MILLION COMPANY AND I TOOK CARE OF 10,000 CHICKENS.
UM, I'M SURE THAT WOULD UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE.
DAVID, NOBODY TOLD ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO WE HAVE CHANGED NOW, MIKE, I WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M NOT COMING TO ASK FOR A MASSAGE PROPERTY ON THAT WAY, OR IN FACT IS I'M NOT GOING TO,
BUT I DO HAVE A REQUEST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO MAKE IT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING BACK TO YOU SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE.
I HAVE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY IN THAT AREA THAT I BOUGHT SOME TIME BACK WHEN I'M FAIR.
THE REASON EARLIER THAT I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO SELL COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS THERE IN THE AREA OF THE CAR AND THEY PRESENT IS ONLY SEE A TREE AND I'VE GOT SOME MAPS HERE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THESE.
BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT I HAVE IS THE PROPERTY CLOSEST TO NEAR VILLAGES.
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I SAY, I HAVE A MAP, PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE YOU BOTH OF THEM.I GOT A HEADACHE, BUT THE MAP AND MAP THE AREA, THE ART CAMP, THE FIRST PROPOSAL, THE FRONT OF MY PROPERTY IS PRESENT.
IT'S ONLY TWO, THREE, AND THE BACK PART OF IT, BASICALLY JUST A VERY SHORT PITCH OFF THE HIGHWAY WOULD BE SOME ART 10.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO ANYTHING FOR ME NOW.
UM, I WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION NOW, YOU KNOW, LAY THERE SOMEONE BE LIKE, WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING THIS UP? BUT FOLLOWING MY HABIT, IF I GO TO DEVELOP THAT OR SELL IT, UH, I WILL NEED SOME DEPTH AND I WON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT DEPTH AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN DROP OUR 10 BACK, UM, SOME DISTANCE, GIVE ME SOME MORE DEPTH.
THIS IS A LONG MATH IS JUST AT THE ENTRANCE OF ROCKY RUN ROAD.
THE OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY IS, UH, UM, ABOUT PRE FOUR SEVEN, WHICH IS A PRIMAL THERE AND ROAD WITH HIGHWAY 17.
AND HE HAD NOT, UM, A SECTION OF IT.
AND I TOLD HIM THAT HE HAD A DATE.
IN FACT, I ENCOURAGED IT AND I'VE TRIED TO WORK WITH YELLOW, WITH PREDATORS.
THEY BROKEN THE LINE, RUNNING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE THE C3, UH, NORTHERN MOST LINE.
AND THEN IMMEDIATELY THE BACK THAT WOULD BE OUR 20 AND OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT IT, BUT DEVELOP IT OR SELL IT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.
IT WOULD NEED FOR THE WHOLE TRIANGLE TO BE A COMMERCIAL.
AND SUDDENLY ONLY REQUEST A MAKE-UP VIEW IS HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE A SUFFICIENT VEHICLE IN BOTH PLACES.
I HAVE NO IMMEDIATE PLANS, BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE
AND, UM, ON THE LONGER ONE, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE SOME 80, IF IT'S NOT ALL LIKE THE LONG ONE, WHICH IS HE, UH, UH, IF I HAD SOME INITIAL DEPTH ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU THAT'S ABOUT A THREE TO 400 FEET DEEP NOW, WHILE YOU CAN HAVE GOES, WELL, HE HAS A VERY NARROW, DEEP LOT.
THIS IS CRUMBLING SONS SEAT THREE IN THE PROPOSAL IS INPUT ABOUT EIGHT, FIVE, OR THE ART CAN, I WOULD THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE DEVELOPMENT AS 10 YEARS, AND YOU GET CLOSER TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SITE, THEN YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO MAKE A GOOD CASE FOR A REZONING OF THAT PORTION TO SUPPORT YOUR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
THE SECOND THING IS, LIKEWISE, I GUESS, THINGS JAIL YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO MAKE THE CASE FOR C3 PLUS ON ALTERNATE NUMBER THAT TOP TRIANGLE OR YOURS THAT SHOWS THIS ARCHWAY IS OUTSIDE OF JURISDICTION.
ANYWAY, IT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.
YEAH, BUT LIKE I SAID, I FELT LIKE THE BEST AT LEAST BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
NOW, INSTEAD OF COMING IN LATER, I WANT TO DIGRESS ONE MORE THING, BUT I THINK MIKE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS.
I WANT A LITTLE BIT ON 17 SOUTH, WHICH IS NOT IN THE CITY, UH, NEAR THE CHURCH OUT THERE.
AND I'VE HAD CALLS AND WE AS PASTORS AND VERY SWEET SOUNDING YOUNG THINGS ON THE PHONE, DOWN THE DRAIN.
ANYWAY, I WOULD RECOGNIZE ALL AND INDICATE IF YOU'D LIKE TO RENT A BUILDING.
AND I SAID, WELL, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR? AND HE SAID, WELL, UH, IT'S LEGAL.
AND THAT'S ALL YOU TALKING ABOUT.
AND I SAID, NO, I EVEN THINK I WILL DO THAT.
AND THEY SAID, WE WILL PAY YOUR DOPE.
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NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.I SAID, I'M AFRAID TO APPROACH SOMEBODY THE WRONG WAY.
I TOLD THEM TO CALL YOU CAN'T EVEN PEOPLE LOOK AFTER THEIR FELLOW MAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO PRE BORN.
AND THEY OWN LAND DROP AND RUN HERE, ROCK AROUND THE AREA IS A HISTORICAL BLACK COMMUNITY.
AND TONIGHT, UM, THEME OF ABOUT ROCK AND RUN.
UH
AND, UH, WE HAVE TWO OF THEM HERE TONIGHT.
UM, MS. UH, B WHO CAME FORWARD.
HE IS NOT ROBINSON OF ROCK AND RUN.
DOES HE WROTE ON THE PIECE OF ROCK? UH, SIS,
NOW, ONCE YOU GET TO THIS THEATER, WHICH IS NOT IN THE GA IS A COMMUNITY THERE ARE ABOUT, I GUESS, ABOUT THREE FULL IN THIS AREA.
UH, WHAT PEOPLE WANT, THEY WANT
UH
LET ME, LET ME SAY A COUPLE OF WAYS.
I'VE TALKED TO THE FOLKS, ROCKY RUN TWICE.
I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I'VE GOT A PETITION HERE FROM ROCKY RUN, BUT I'M ALSO HAVING A LOT OF REQUESTS FROM THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON HIGHWAY 17, FOR WATER
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AS CITY WATER, WAIT A MINUTE, JUST A MINUTE NOW.IF WE'RE GONNA RUN CITY WATER DOWN THERE, IT'S GOING TO BE AN ETJ BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULD WE PUT CITY DOLLARS IN SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T, WE'LL NEVER CONTROL.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? NOW, THE ROCKY ROAD COMMUNITY, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THEIR WISHES.
I'VE GOT THEIR PETITIONS AND I SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE I TOLD THEM HOW TO SUPPORT, BUT ALSO HAVE TO SUPPORT THOSE OLD LADIES THAT CALLED ME, ASKING HIM BEGGING FOR WATER.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
NOBODY'S TRYING TO MAKE ANYBODY BE PART OF THIS CITY.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN CALLED MANY TIMES FROM FOLKS OUT THERE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO BE ANNEXED.
I WAS IN THE LAST GROUP TO BE ANNEXED.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD HAS ANY INTENTION OF DOING ANY ANNEXATION IN THE NET, IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE COSTS.
BUT YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT ROCKY ROAD IS COMING FROM.
I MEAN, I'VE HEARD ALL KINDS OF STORIES ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I'VE HEARD STORIES ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING.
AND THERE'S 26 HOUSES ON THAT ROAD ON 17.
I COUNTED THEM TODAY, NOT 50 HOUSES.
IT'S 26, BUT I CAME THROUGH THERE ON THE WAY HOME SPECIFICALLY TO COUNT THOSE HOUSES.
UH WELL, SOMEONE WHOSE HOUSE WAS OFF THE ROAD OR NOT IN THIS FITNESS PROPOSED ETJ.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE GOT, WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE.
YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF NAMES ON THIS PETITION FROM STATE AND RUGS.
IT LOOKS FANCY, BUT NOBODY ON STATE ROAD WAS IN THIS PUTIN, THE ETJ TO BEGIN WITH MAYBE ONE HOUSE.
NOW, YOU KNOW THAT TOO, DON'T YOU? RIGHT? WHAT IS THAT? RIGHT? MIKE, THOSE HOUSES ON STATE ROAD, WEREN'T EVEN ETJ, GOT A LOT OF PETITIONS SIGNED PETITIONS.
I'M CONCERNED MAINLY WITH THE ONES I'M LOOKING HERE FOR 17 SOUTH.
SO I'M CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE ON THIS ONE, WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO PEOPLE THAT NEED THEM OR DOES NOT, ARE NOT ZONE.
I THINK MICHAEL PROPOSEDLY LET ME, LET ME MAKE A PROPOSAL.
THAT IS THE FOLLOWING I WANT TO DO.
I FEEL LIKE TONIGHT AS BEST WE CAN, BUT THE FOLKS AT I WANT YES.
AND, UH, THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT US TO DO THINGS, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ONE PIECE IN THAT IS THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE TO CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT ROCKY RUN WAS NOT GOING TO BE CONSIDERED TONIGHT.
AND THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND THERE IS A PIECE OF ROCKY RUN EVIDENTLY IN THIS CAR.
SO THEREFORE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT WE TOLD THEM ONE THING AND DID SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY I LIVE MY LIFE AND I'M NOT GOING TO LIVE IT THAT WAY.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE DO, IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, IS TO DO THE THING TONIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE GOT UP HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MIKE, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO, UH, TO DRAW IT SUCH THAT TONIGHT, WHO WE TAKE CARE OF THE FOLKS IN GREENBRIAR AND THE OTHER PEOPLE CUT OUT ALL OF THE ROCKY RUN CONSIDERATION FOR RIGHT NOW.
AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS IS TWO FOLD, ONE, THE WORD HAS BEEN SAID, AND THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ROCKY RON WAS NOT IN THIS THING TONIGHT.
AND THERE IS A PIECE OF IT IN THERE THAT MAKES ME AND THE REST OF US LOOK LIKE WE SPEAK BEFORE HE CAN TIME WE DUMP.
THE SECOND THING IS, THIS THING HAS BEEN PUT OFF SEVERAL TIMES, NOT BECAUSE OF US, BUT BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE IN ROCKY RUN WANTED IT PUT OFF.
THAT'S THE REASON IT'S BEEN SUCH A DELIGHT.
I SAY THAT WE SHOULD SET A DATE AND NIGHT FOR THE ROCKY RUN THING, HAVE A ROCKY RUN.
PEOPLE COME HERE, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON SOME OTHER ROAD AND NOT THE FACT THAT LIKE REX TELLING THEM OUT, BUT THE ACTUAL PEOPLE FROM ROCKY RUN, COME HERE.
WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
THEY TELL US WHY THEY DON'T WANT IT.
AND I, AS I ASKED THEM, THE OTHER NIGHT IN THE CHURCH IS FINE.
IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU'RE AGAINST IT, BUT I ONLY ASK ONE THING.
PLEASE HAVE REASONS WHY, SO WE CAN DISCUSS WHETHER THAT IS A, IS A TRUE, IN FACT, I HAVE TO TAXES ARE GOING UP.
WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TAXES.
IF THAT'S THE REASON THAT THEY DECIDED THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN IT, THEN THAT'S, WE CAN DO AWAY WITH IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT THE WHOLE SITUATION.
IS IT, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISAGREEMENT MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE DID CALL REVEREND WAINWRIGHT AND TOLD HIM WE WERE GOING TO TAKE IT OUT.
AND I THINK IF WE CAN REASSESS THIS MEETING.
AND SO MY CREDIBILITY IS AT STAKE HERE.
IF WE CAN RESET THIS MEETING, AFTER YOU DO THE GREENBRIER THING, THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING, HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR CONTINUED, THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT SECTION.
AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION AT
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THAT TIME.THAT'LL KEEP EVERYBODY'S CREDIBILITY INTACT.
AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT HERE.
I MEAN, IF IT'S LIKE, AND I DON'T WANT TO
THE PROBABLY IT WON'T BE ANOTHER.
DO WE HAVE TO PUT IT OFF ANOTHER 30, 60 RECESS RECESS? WELL, LET'S RESET FOR THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE HAVE AND TELL THEM THAT'S IT.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED.
WHY AM I GOING TO DO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO? BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS I NEED TO, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE IN GREENBRIER AND SAY, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
I CAN PICK THIS UP, RIGHT? WELL, WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF YOU ALL TOO.
BUT FIRST OFF, HERE'S THE THING THAT I FEEL LIKE MY DADDY USED TO GIVE ME SOME WEAPONS WHEN I WAS A KID.
AND HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO HURT HIM WORSE THAN IT DID ME AND I'D UNDERSTAND IT.
AND HE DIED BEFORE I UNDERSTOOD IT.
BUT I FINALLY DO UNDERSTAND IT.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER IF I UNDERSTOOD IT THEN.
AND I LIKE FOR THESE PEOPLE FROM ROCKY RUN, WHO HAVE NOT BEEN BEFORE US AS A BODY BECAUSE OF VARIOUS PUTTING IT OFF AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF TO BE HERE, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT AND LET'S CONSIDER IT.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING.
AND THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE THING, THE SITUATION FROM WHEREVER MAN, WHEN YOU RUN THE OTHER COVERED
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
RIGHT? BUT I STILL WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE BRAINWARE.
I THINK HE'S SAYING HE'S ON MOUTHPIECE.
SO HE'S SAYING WE SHOULD DELAY THAT UNTIL WE HAVE AT ROCKY RUN HEARING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE SOON WE'LL WE'LL STILL SET IT.
WE'LL SET IT AND COME RIGHT OFF ON AN ACCIDENT.
IF Y'ALL WOULD INSTRUCT STAFF TO NOTIFY ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE IN THE AREA OF NEEDING A, IF I DON'T MIND, I'M ALWAYS TOLD, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD UP ME THE FIRST WEEK IN JANUARY.
I GOT SOMEONE THAT COMES UP HERE, THE LIVE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO OPEN UP TO THAT GROUP.
SO THE REASON THAT THEY'RE AT A SITE IS THERE ARE DIFFERENT FACTIONS IN THE ROCKY ROAD, COMMUNITY, SONS, MALONEY, TJ, SOME THAT DON'T.
AND WE FOUND THAT UPON CALLING ONE SIDE RECENTLY THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD ON ONE OF THE OTHER SIDES.
AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT HEARD ABOUT THIS.
WELL, THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET IN HERE INSIDE OF SOMEBODY HAVING A MEETING HITHER AND YON.
MY POINT IS IT'S FINE TO BE AGAINST THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
BUT WHEN I ASKED YOU WHY, AND YOU SAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE FIXING TO PUT TAXES ON ME AND THAT'S NOT TRUE, THEN I MIGHT CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND.
I'M GETTING PEOPLE CALLING ME TO SAY I'M AGAINST ANNEXATION ANNEXATION.
I MEAN, THAT TELLS ME THAT FOR US IS VOTING OUT OF, OUT OF SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW IS WRONG AND WE NEED TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER AND TELL THEM WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT ONCE AND FOR ALL AND GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.
THIS THING IS JUST GETTING OUT OF HAND.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST BARBARA WAS AT Y'ALL ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE HEARING AND SAY, AH, IT'S CLOSED HERE.
COULD I MAKE THE MOTION PLEASE? MR. MAYOR, WE'RE REASSESSING IT IN RESPECT TO THE ROCKY RUN QUESTION.
RIGHT? I'LL ASK YOU ONE WAY A CHIRO MICHAEL MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECESS THIS HEARING UNTIL THE SECOND TUESDAY IN JANUARY ON THE ISSUES OF ROCKY RUN HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH AREAS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
MAY I MAKE ONE POINT IN THE AREA, WHICH IS THE FIRST PROPOSAL AREA WEST OR SOUTHWEST OF GREENBRIER WAS ALL POSED TO ME ARE 10 FOR THE REASONS THAT THEY HAVE EXPRESSED
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HERE TONIGHT, THEY NOW POSE AND IT ALL BE AFI.MAY I SUGGEST THAT THAT REASONING DOES NOT APPLY TO THE AREA BETWEEN THIS LINE EXTENDED AND HIGHWAY 17.
I DON'T HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I BRING IT UP.
THAT AREA HAS BEEN CLIPPED AND WILL BE DEVELOPED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.
IT'S ALL WEST OF AREA, WHICH HAS ALREADY DESIGNATED ART CLASSIFICATION.
I WOULD REQUEST IT THAT VERIFICATION, THAT THE ONE THAT WAS THE REASON I PROPOSED AND THAT WOULD STILL BE SATISFIED FOR, TO REBEL, MAN.
I MEAN TO GREENBERG, YOU KNOW WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT, COME AND SEE WHAT THE DOG LEG DOWN IS DRAWN IT RIGHT HERE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ALL SATISFIED WITH WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
HE'S DRAWING A LINE HERE AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS PIZZA
MAKING THAT RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS A STEP UP.
THEY WOULDN'T CARRY YOUR WIFE.
ARE WE READY FOR MOTION ON THIS? I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE HIM ENTERTAIN MICHAEL MOTION.
MOVE THAT THE AREA ON THE, WHAT IS THAT? THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF GREENBRIER DOWN TO HIGHWAY 17, SOUTH THAT'S IN THE PROPOSED ETJ BE ADOPTED TONIGHT THAT RIGHT? AND THEY CANNOT BE DONE TONIGHT.
PEOPLE MOVE TO THE ORDERS, BE PREPARED BEFORE THAT WE ESTABLISH A ZONING CLASSIFICATION OR TAMRA MAYAN ZONE, TIM LANE.
AND WE HAVE THAT AREA ZONE WOULD BE THROUGH A T OR A W WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.
OH, THE EXTENSION OF THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION AND THE ASSIGNMENT OF A ZONING CLASSIFICATION REQUIRED.
SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT IT CANNOT BE DONE ACTUALLY TO MAKE, BECAUSE THERE'S NO ORDINANCE BY WHICH IT CAN BE DONE.
SO IF WE MOVE TIMBERLAND OR I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DO WHAT YOU STARTED DOING.
THAT IS A SIGN THAT
AND IS THAT A MOTION HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
UM, KENNEDY BROUGHT UP A MATTER ABOUT SOME PROPERTY.
HE OWNED ADJACENT TO A ROCKY RUNNING ROAD WITH THOUGH THAT WON'T BE ACCOMMODATED.
WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE HIM UNTIL THE OTHER HEARING.
I JUST WANT HIM TO BE THE SAME NIGHT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. WARD DRAWING HIS ORDINANCE, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
NO, I WANT HIM TO BE AT NIGHT TIME NOW.
I WON'T TAKE IT OFF SOMETHING YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WAY IT IS.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN READ YOURSELF.
WHAT ARE THEY WORRIED ABOUT IS YOU GOT, YOU GOT, YOU GOT
BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE OF THOSE 50 DECIDE? WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO FLORIDA.