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I CALLED A MEETING AND WE'LL HAVE AN OPENING PRAYER BY A RAILROAD, REVEREND LARRY GORDON AND ST.
WE, BEFORE WE MAKE ANY PETITIONER REQUESTS, WE FEEL THE NEEDLE.
GOD, THANK YOU FOR A BLESSING POSSIBLE IS MANUFACTURED VIA THAT WE HAVE.
SO BLESSEDLY COME OUT OF, AND THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED US OF GOD TO GO INTO ANOTHER NEW YEAR.
AND LOOK FOR THIS FIRST MEETING THAT YOU BLESS US TO RECOGNIZE MORE THAN WE ARE.
BLESS EVERY PERSON BLESS EACH AND EVERY CITIZEN OF GOD.
WHO'S HERE TONIGHT WITH THE CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD, YOU'RE HAVING A FATHER, GOD FOR BEING SO GOOD TO US.
WE INVOKED WITH GOD AT THIS TIME, YOUR GODLINESS AND THE SPIRIT THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS, THESE COUNSELING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE SINCERE AND GODLY SENSITIVITY TO BE.
SO THAT EACH AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL FATHER WE'VE ALWAYS GIVE YOUR NAME TO GLORY AND THE, FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, AND THE BLESSING THAT YOU SHALL DO IN JESUS NAME.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE HERE, HERE, HERE.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF FOLKS OUT IN THE NIGHT DUE TO ILLNESS, MEDICAL PROBLEMS. UM, WE WISH THEM WELL, FIRST THING WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA, MIKE IS THE REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS.
AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS NOT THE POINT AT WHICH WE TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ETJ.
THIS IS ON OTHER THINGS AT THIS MOMENT.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY THAT HAD SOME OTHER SUBJECT TO TALK ABOUT? THERE IS NOT OKAY.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL BE ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
AND MR. WARD WILL EXPLAIN THAT PLEASE, MAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WHEN VIEWING THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF NIGHT.
I SAW THAT ERRONEOUSLY, WHY OUT THE COMPANY WAS IDENTIFIED AS PROTECTION PETITION FOR ANNEXATION OF THIS 28 PLUS ACRES, BUT WHY HOUSE A REAL ESTATE COMPANY AND WHITE HOUSE? I TOLD MY STAFF TO PULL DOCUMENTS THAT WE USE SATELLITE OF NEXT THOUSAND PLUS ACRES.
AND THEY DID, AND THEY FOLLOWED IT TOO CLOSELY AND I DIDN'T PICK IT UP.
SO I HAVE PREPARED A RESOLUTION BY WHICH THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED WILL BE RESCINDED.
AND THE SATELLITE ANNEXATION OF THAT 28 PLUS ACRES WILL BE RESCHEDULED FOR THE MEETING ON JANUARY 23RD.
THAT RESOLUTION WAS IN THE MATERIAL, WHICH YOU FOUND ON THE DESK AND FUND SEC, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COLIN WROTE LAST NAME, ALL THAT.
AND WHAT WE JUST DID BY THE WAY, FOR ALL THOSE, HE MAY BE SLIGHTLY CONFUSED.
AND THEY WOULD ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO SATELLITE ANNEX 28.39 ACRES ADJACENT TO TOMORROW, WHICH IS THE WAREHOUSE, THE THING OF CROSS THE RIVER.
SO AGAIN, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ROCKY RUN OR WHATEVER, THAT'S THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA.
SO THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION CONCERNING THE ROCKY RUN AREA, ET CETERA, DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE BELL OF THE HEARING? I CAN DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
NOW WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO SINCE THERE'S SO MANY FOLKS HERE IS TO TRY TO SET SOME GROUND RULES ABOUT HOW LONG WE SPEAK AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.
AND LAST THERE'S ONE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY.
AND I DON'T ASSUME THAT TO BE TRUE.
IS THAT TRUE OR NOT TRUE? OH, WELL, IT'D BE MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
DIDN'T SPEAK NIGHT, MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHILE WE WOULD
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LIKE TO DO, I'M GOING TO LET MR PANEL AND KEEP THE TIME.AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP IT DOWN TO THREE MINUTES A PIECE.
AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING AT THE END WHERE SOMEBODY FEELS LIKE THEY NEED TO INTERJECT THEM OUT OF THE SHOT, WE'LL LET THEM DO THAT, WHICH IS A KIND OF AN UNUSUAL MOVIE.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY SAYS WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.
AND WE'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS, BUT IF WE CAN PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE PERSON THAT SPEAKS IN THE HEADACHE AND JUST DON'T REPEAT WHAT HE SAID.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU AGREE WITH HIM, SAY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID OR WHATEVER, BUT, AND THIS IS JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
SO WE CAN GET DOWN TO THE ACTUAL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OR NOT DO.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I GUESS WE CAN START, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE A PARTICULAR ORDER THAT YOU HAVE A NESTLE, WE CAN DIVIDE THIS THING UP INTO THE ONES THAT ARE FOR AND AGAINST IT.
AND I GUESS WOULD BE A COMMON PRACTICE IN THE PAST TO TRY TO GET SOME ORDER TO IT.
AND LET'S SAY THAT WE WILL LET THE ONES THAT SPEAK AGAINST IT FIRST JUST, OR I COULD TOSS A COIN.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IS ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ONES THAT ARE AGAINST IT GOING FIRST, ANYBODY GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL LET THE ONES THAT ARE AGAINST IT.
WE CAN START WITH THE FRONT ROW AND GO.
AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE FOR THE RECORD, UM, 2 0 7 ROCK, PARTICULARLY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, GIVE TO YOU QUITE A BIT ARE BOATS WHO DO NOT HAVE COPIES OF THE PETITION.
I WROTE A SHORT, UH, NO, DON'T PASS THEM OUT.
UM, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT IS TO BREAK YOUR TEACHER THAT, UH, BETWEEN THE PERIOD OF OCTOBER, 1995, UP TO A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, UH, THOSE TEACHINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND, UH, UH, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS TO, UH, ETJ IMPACT HERE.
NOW, UH, SINCE YOU BEGAN ON THE SIDE PETITION LOT, A LITTLE BIT OF EVIDENCE UP UNTIL THIS MOMENT, NO ONE HAS CALLED ME, ASKED ME TO, UH, REPEAT THEIR NAME.
SO BASED ON THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS TIME, THIS IS WHAT THE WISHES OF THE KEEPER OF PROJECT.
UH, THERE ARE SARAH ISSUES WOULD BE BROUGHT UP.
I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH ONE OR TWO
UH, THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO GET ACROSS IS A ONE RECOMMENDATION PRIOR YEARS.
AND AT THE LAST HEARING, THEY RECOMMENDED THAT OUR ZONING FOR YOUR ROCK AND RUN THE AREA, AND WE ARE IN A DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT.
WE WANT IT TO BE
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AS IN THE CONSTITUTION, THE PRICE, THE PAYMENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR REDRESS.AND DEVIANCIES, UH, THERE ARE ONE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE CLEAR IS ON ROBERT
THERE'S NO BUSINESS, THERE'S NO BOSS, NO CLUBS, UH, NO BILBO, ANYTHING TO WARREN, UH, ETJ AT THIS TIME, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST RECENTLY, UH, SPOKE AT A MEETING
HE EXCEEDED THE THREE MINUTES ABOUT A MAN AND THE GIRL, AND I'M GOING TO LET YOU, IF YOU WANT TO WIND IT UP.
AND I'D LIKE TO ADD ALSO THAT IF WE QUESTION YOU, I ASK YOU QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER, THAT THIS WILL NOT ADD INTO YOUR THREE MINUTES.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ASK YOU A QUESTION TO SOMETHING AT THE END OF IT, SO IF YOU WOULD OF GIVE OTHERS OPPORTUNITY.
UH, WELL, UH, WE, UH, UH, PEOPLE IN THIS EAR WOULD GROW TO A TWO WAY NEWBURN AND ALSO I HAVE ANOTHER, UM,
THERE WAS A 17 AREAS THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA HERE.
I HAVE LOVE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED.
IT WASN'T THERE AT THAT TIME, BUT I CAME BACK FROM THE
YOU WERE SAYING THAT NOBODY HAD CALLED YOU TO HAVE YOUR NAME REMOVED FROM MS. PETITION.
UH, I DON'T SEE YOUR PHONE NUMBER ON THE PETITION.
ARE YOU IN THE PHONE BOOK? UH, ERIC AND
WELL, ALL I'M ASKING THOUGH, IS THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER ON THE PETITION OR SAY THAT IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU WANT IT TAKEN OFF, CALL ME AND ANNA.
AND THE REASON I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE PHONE BOOK AS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR NUMBER IS YOUR PHONE, IS YOUR NAME AND NUMBER IN THE PHONE BOOK.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, BUT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
I WROTE WHEN YOU GAVE YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU SAID THAT YOU DO, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE AT HOME, NOT TOO BUSY.
SO WHAT'S YOUR HOME? UH, HOME IS, UH, 2, 2, 1 8 TESTING.
YOU OWN PROPERTY IN ROCKY RUN, DO YOUR OWN PROPERTY AND ROCKY RUN NOW.
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UH, MS. SIMMONS ALSO, YOU, YOU MADE A STATEMENT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT THERE ARE NO BILLBOARDS.THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY THE ETJ IS NOT, THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT.
WOULD THAT YOUR STATEMENT? THE RE EDIT? THE REASON I ASK THAT, AND YOU'RE SAYING ETJ, THAT WARRANTS BECAUSE OF THINGS ARE NOT OUT THERE, BUT WITHOUT THAT, THEY CAN BE THERE WITHOUT ANY RESIDENTS STOPPING THE PROCESS.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY CLEAR THAT UP.
AS LONG AS THERE'S A BUSINESS, IF SOMEONE OWNS A PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY PERKS, PUT A SET, THE TANK IN, THEY CAN PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE.
MIKE, THE COUNTY HAS NO ZONING FOR ROCKY MOUNTAIN, ANYWHERE THAT YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO THAT THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, WE KNOW THAT, AND WE HAVE ETJ.
THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN HAVE A HAND IN CONTROLLING THEIR OWN DESTINY AND CONTROLLING WHO THEIR NEIGHBORS CAN BE OR SHOULD BE.
WELL, OTHER WORDS, E T J IS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE, YOU KNOW, AND TRY TO HELP THINGS BEFORE THEY GET OUT OF WHACK.
BECAUSE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE WAS STATEMENTS GIVEN THAT ETJ IS GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO COME IN AND TAKE YOUR PROPERTY.
UH, IT'S GOING TO BE INCREASED IN TAXES.
UH, YOU CAN'T DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
AND, AND A LOT OF RESIDENTS IS SAYING WE WOULD LIKE WHAT WE HAVE NOW TO STAY AS IT IS.
AND WITH ETJ, YOU CAN DO THAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THAT UP AND NOT ENOUGH ARGUE HER WITH YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SALMON BEFORE WE GET TO NEXT SPEAKING? WELL, THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN TO LIST HERE AND WE'LL GET TO, OKAY, NEXT MY NAME IS JANE
I HAVE THIS TAX 71 RECORD, AND I GRABBED THE SALMON CONCERNING PRETTY STATE BECAUSE THIS DOCUMENT WAS NO SIGN, ANYTHING.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE TWO MINUTES FROM LETTING US TAKE IT OUT.
LAWYERS DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT IN AREA TO SPEAK FOR YOU VERSUS ME.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU, I GAVE JAMES 5, 7, 1 ROCK AROUND ROAD.
ALL RIGHT, ME, I'M EXECUTOR ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE MASSES ON MOBILE, MS.
AND IN OUR INTEREST OF THIS, WHAT WE MEAN ABOUT YOU ALL SET US OUT.
THAT WOULD BE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF FUN THROUGH THAT AND GIVE IT TO THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, $10,000 FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND IF THEY SETTLED, THEY MAKE 300,000
YOU, YOU YOU'RE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE WE'RE CREATING A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR PROPERTY,
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BUT THE FED WAS GOING TO COME IN AND BUY.THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
ETJ MAY MAKE YOU A PROPERTY, A LITTLE MORE VALUABLE.
AND FOR YOU TO SELL IT AT THE VARIABLE PRICE, THAT'S LEFT UP TO THE OWNER.
THAT'S NOT LEFT UP TO THE BOARD.
THAT'S NOT LEFT UP TO THE DEVELOPER.
BUT WHY ARE WE BEING PICKED TO SAYING WE, WE, WE ARE, AND WE SELLING YOU OUT.
YOU'RE NOT TO SAY OUT WHAT IT IS.
LIKE YOU SAID, THE PRICE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD GO UP.
I, I WILL SELL IT FOR THE $400,000.
SO I'M SAYING SINCE 1891, WE DO NOT HAVE AN OPEN AREA.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD PREFER THAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY BE KEPT AT A LOW VALUE? SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T SELL IT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WHAT I'M SAYING? IF YOU'LL GET THAT PROPERTY.
IF SOMEBODY COMES OUT HERE AND OFFER SOMEBODY $50,000 OR THEY SELL THE NEW, THE GARETH CHARACTER BROUGHT BRONTEZ IMMEDIATELY CAME IN.
DID YOU TELL HIM THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP ROCKING UP THE WAY IT IS? HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO DO THAT? IT'S NOT LIKE THAT.
I MADE THIS AS EARLY AS THREE MONTHS AGO, SAMANTHA.
AND LET ME TELL YOU THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND ROCK AROUND.
NO, YOU HATE TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
BUT THE PROPERTY IS, THIS IS REALLY COMING
NO, LET, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SEE.
THEY ARE PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY WHO WOULD PAY MONEY FOR A PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN AN ETJ.
AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE PEOPLE WHO WOULD WANT, WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS.
THAT VERY INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE ONE.
IT WOULD BE ALL SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
SO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I'VE THOUGHT THROUGH THIS THING, JUST AS HARD AS I CAN GO.
I PUT MYSELF IN THE POSITION OF LIVING IN ROCKY, RUN, LIVING, WHERE I LIVE NOW, LIVING WHERE I WAS BROUGHT UP EVERYWHERE ELSE.
AND I, AS A PERSON AM ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THAT ZONING IN AND OF ITSELF IS THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN PROTECT WHAT I'VE GOT AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I GOT REMAINS AS CLOSE AND I CAN HANG ON TO IT JUST AS HARD AS I CAN AND, AND KEEP IT AS TO WHAT I'VE GOT.
AND I WOULDN'T SIT UP AND TELL YOU OTHERWISE, IF I WASN'T CONVINCED OF IT.
AND IF SOMEBODY CHANGES MY MIND AND CONVINCES ME, OTHERWISE, I'LL BE THE FIRST GUY TO LOOK YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE AND TELL YOU THAT.
BUT I'M NOT UP THERE ARGUING FOR IT BECAUSE I WANT TO HURT ANYBODY OUT THERE.
I TRULY THINK IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST AND HONEST TO GOD.
SO WE'RE NOT WINNING ON J ADVERSARY IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO PICK AT YOU OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
MR. BROOKS, AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, ON O ROCKY ROAD ROAD, IT'S NOTHING BUT HOMES THERE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT 17, YOU GOT HOMES, YOU GOT A TOOL RENTAL PLACE THERE, AND THEN YOU GO DOWN A LITTLE FARTHER.
I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER BUSINESS IN BETWEEN HOMES.
YOU GO DOWN A LITTLE FARTHER, THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO METAL BUILDINGS BUTTONED UP RIGHT BEHIND A NICE SUBDIVISION.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS NEEDING MONEY, SELL HIS PROPERTY TO SOMEONE THAT YOU DON'T WANT OUT THERE? WHO, WHO CAN COME UP THERE TOMORROW AND PUT UP 200,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON WHATEVER, ALL MASSAGE PARLOR, ANYTHING CAN GO OUT THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I KEEP TRYING TO STRIP.
THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT CAN GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
AND IF, AND IF YOU IN AN AREA THAT YOU LIKE TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO COME OUT YOUR HOUSE EVERYDAY, LOOKING AT A BUSINESS OR A BUSINESS THAT MAY STAY OPEN TO TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING
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OR A BUSINESS THAT MIGHT OPEN AT SIX IN THE MORNING.IF THE POSSIBILITIES ARE THERE AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH ANYTHING DOWN ANYONE'S THROAT.
IT'S JUST THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SEES THIS AS A WAY TO HELP CONTROL WHAT GOES ON ALONG THE CAR.
AT THE SAME TIME, IT DOESN'T TAKE ANYTHING TO ME.
IT DOESN'T TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM YOU.
AND YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
IF I SAW WHERE MY PROPERTY WAS GOING TO GO UP IN PRICE, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT AT THE SAME TIME.
IF I SOLD IT TOMORROW FOR THE HIGH PRICE, BY YEAR DOWN THE ROAD, WHOEVER BOUGHT IT FROM ME IS GOING TO MAKE MONEY OFF.
YOU CAN'T STOP IT, BUT ONE THING, SO YOU DON'T KNOW, IS THAT HOW PEOPLE DO THAT'S WHY WHEN I ASKED YOU 10, 15,
UH, LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION.
UM, I THINK WE SPOKE LAST NIGHT AT LENGTH.
WAS THAT YOU? I WAS SPEAKING TO.
UM, COULD YOU TELL US HOW THE CITY EXERCISING, ITS EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OVER ROCKY RUN, HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE DAY-TO-DAY LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS ON ROCKY RUN ROAD?
THEN IT WOULD BE A RULE IF YOU MADE IT
IS THAT TRUE ON MIKE? UH, NO, UH, UH, MORE DETAIL, BUT IF YOU ARE CARRYING ON A FARMING OPERATION, YOUR GRANDFATHER, YOU CONTINUE TO CARRY ON A FARMING OPERATION.
UM, THE ARTS IS ENVISIONED AS RURAL RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE MAINTAIN A RURAL LIFESTYLE, THEIR GARDENING AND SO FORTH.
BUT IF SOMEONE HAS A FARM OR FARMING, THEY CAN KEEP FARMING FOREVER.
SO WE'RE NOT ZONING ANYBODY OUT OF THE USE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
ANYBODY THAT MAKES THE LABEL USE IS, YOU KNOW, THE BRAND COLOR.
SO MR. BROOKS SAID, THAT'S NOT VALID, SO WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
SO NAME ANOTHER, UH, UH, WAY THAT WE COULD, WE WOULD AFFECT THE DAY-TO-DAY LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS.
YOU HAVE THE LIGHT US, ALL OF WE JUST LIKE
HOW CAN I DO THAT?
NOW NAME ANOTHER WAY, HOW, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE DAY TO DAY LIFE.
I'M JUST, I JUST WANT TO SEE HOW THE ETJ IS GOING TO CREATE A HARDSHIP SO FAR.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, BUT NAME ANOTHER, UM, FEAR THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
I HAVE IT WRONG, BUT IN THAT WHOLE MONTH, IT STARTED OUT NEAR WHEN NEWBERN MAY ANNEX.
WELL, WE CAN ADD THAT YOU WITHOUT HAVING THIS WITHOUT HAVING IT, WITHOUT EXERCISING, THE ETJ, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GIVE YOU THE SERVICES RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, CRIMINAL REMAIN IN THE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY FOR ABOUT 17 YEARS BEFORE WE ANNEXED THEM.
BUT I CAN, I CAN SAY THAT PROBABLY ANOTHER 10 YEARS, YOU MAY BE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH MAYBE, AND MAYBE NOT.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD TO OFFER YOUR SEWER RIGHT NOW.
AND WE CAN'T AFFORD, WE AFFORD TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO ROCKET RUN, TO IMPROVE THE AREA IN, IN, IN ANNEX.
SO WE'RE NOT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A FEAR THAT YOU HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY FEAR IS UNFOUNDED BECAUSE THE THING
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OF ANNEXATION, YOU MIGHT ARGUE THAT YOU DON'T WANT TAXES.AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT'LL ARGUE THAT VALIDLY AND SOME NOT VALIDATE WHATEVER.
AND I CAN SAY, HEY, I'LL AGREE WITH EITHER GUY ON EITHER SIDE, BUT ETJ DOESN'T BRING ANY TAXES.
IT DOESN'T BRING ANY DOWNSIDE THAT I CAN SEE, EXCEPT THE FACT THAT IT REGULATES WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THEM AND SEE THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT IS I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT WHILE Y'ALL WERE SPEAKING, IS, IS HERE.
WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT WHAT REALLY SHOULD BE TWO ARGUMENTS ARGUMENT TONIGHT IS BY MOST W IS THE, WHETHER WE SHOULD DECLARE IT ETJ OR NOT.
WHEN, WHEN, WHEN PROBABLY THE ARGUMENT OUGHT TO BE YES, LAST DECLARITY TJ.
WELL, LET'S ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE
AND I THINK THAT THIS BOARD WOULD AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN EACH PARTICULAR AREA AS TO WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE.
IF YOU WANT IT ALREADY 10, WE'LL MAKE IT ALREADY 10.
IF YOU WANT IT ALREADY 20, YOU HAVE TO MAKE GOOD SENSE TO EVERYBODY.
BUT WE'RE CAUGHT UP IN AN ARGUMENT, AS IT REALLY IS, IS, IS, IS TAKING A LOT OF OUR ENERGY WHEN WE REALLY ALL, NOT EVEN THAT WE ARE TO KIND OF FORGO THAT AND OUR REALITY, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
NO, HE JUST, HE JUST POINTED OUT THAT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE REPRESENTED ON THE PANEL PLANNING BOARD.
SO YOU DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE.
ROB, YOU RUN POSSIBLY ON THE PLANET.
LET'S WOULD THE THING IS YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND, AND LET ME SAY THIS, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE THE WHOLE WORKS.
I WANT HIM TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK I KNOW IN THE CASE OF THIS BOARD AND THIS, THE ONLY BOARD I'VE GOT EXPERIENCE WITH, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD THINK PROBABLY HISTORICALLY THAT YOU WILL FIND IT, WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE ETJ OR WHETHER YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY AND THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN RUNNING OVER THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN A PARTICULAR AREA.
AND WE'VE HAD THEM COME UP HERE TODAY AND I EAT TJ, YOU KNOW, AND NOT IN, UH, IN, UH, ACTUALLY IN THE CITY AND SAY, WE WANT THIS.
WE'VE GENERALLY LISTENED TO WHAT THEY WANT BECAUSE OUR, UH, MOTIVE IS NOT TO RUN ROUGH SHOT OVER PEOPLE, PERIOD.
AND THE CASE OF THE ETJ, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ARGUING ABOUT, THE THINGS AGAINST IT JUST REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY WEIGHT, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT.
WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING EVER SINCE THE FIRST MEETING.
NOW I KNOW THAT YOU'RE UP HERE AND CAN DROWN.
AND WHEN I THINK YOU TRYING TO SAY IT, I'M TRYING TO PUT SOME WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH IS FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, YOU FOCUSING ROCKY RUBBED ON A PRETTY GOOD JOB TAKING CARE OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, AND IF YOU JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LEAVE US ALONE, LET US DO WHAT WE'RE DOING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, SIR.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE FEET.
AND I GOT FROM THE FOLKS I'VE TALKED TO, YOU KNOW, IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
SO, AND I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S MR. AVERY, LISTEN, WHAT'S PREVENTING SOMEONE WHO OWNS A LOT OF LAND OUT THERE FROM PUTTING UP A HOG FARM RIGHT NEXT TO THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
NOTHING IS BESIDES OF THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS AND ALL THAT.
BASICALLY, AS I STATED, THERE IS NO SUN IN THE AREA.
I WOULDN'T ADDRESS ONE ITEM OUT.
NONE OF THEM TAKE PLACE IN MIND.
I THINK IF YOU DRIVE DOWN, UM, 17, UH, YOU WILL SEE A REVELATION, PARDON? SAY THAT, UH, BILLBOARDS ALONG 17 AND SQUAT UP, YOU SEE EMAIL BUILDING BUSINESSES THAT HAVE POPPED UP SOME OF THEM RIGHT UP AGAINST, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, YOU'VE SEEN, UH, NEW HOMES RECENTLY BUILT ALONG 17 IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO SAY NOTHING'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST 10 YEARS IS TRUE, UH, THINGS AREN'T HAPPENING.
UH, AND THEY'RE CONTINUING TO, I THINK YOU LOOK RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING, RIGHT? YOU'RE ON THE ROAD.
YOU SEE A CLEAR LOT IN DIRT PILE UP, YOU SEE CONSTRUCTION DURING THE
SO THE PRESSURE IS DEFINITELY THERE.
AND PRESSURE HAS BEEN INCREASING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
ANYWAY, MIKE, WHERE'S OUR ETJ STOP NOW.
UM, AROUND ABOUT 1,012 HUNDRED FEET DOWN 17 WHERE'S THAT IS THAT WHERE'S THE, FROM THE VET'S OFFICE, WHICH WAY FROM THE NEXT OFFICE, PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, 1200, 1500 PAST THE VET'S OFFICE TOWARDS RIVERBED SO-SO ROCKER RUN THE ROCK, RUN COMMUNITY.
THEY HAVE NO PROTECTION AGAINST ANY OFFENSIVE USE OF LAND THAT'S SURROUNDING THEM.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE ONLY THING THAT I'M AWARE OF IS, UM, UH, BEATING UP THEIR ADULT BUSINESS
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ORDINANCE.BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M AWARE OF.
BUT IF THEY CAN, IF THE ADULT BIT IS COMPLIED WITH THAT ORDINANCE, THEY CAN STILL BUILD SURE.
IF YOU ARE, YOU STILL GOT SOME TIME ON YOUR END, YOU STILL GOT ABOUT TO MANAGE, UNLESS YOU'D LIKE, YES, YOU'RE FINISHED.
WE GOT, WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD HERE FOR THE LATECOMERS.
JUST IN WHICH THE BOARD, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS CURTIS BROWN AND I LIVE TWO 60 ROCKER RUN ROAD.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR SOME YEARS.
I KNOW THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY HOW THE COMMUNITY READS.
WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THAT WAS, UH, SOME YEARS AGO I BOUGHT A BRAND NEW AT EIGHT MILES ON THE SPEEDOMETER BRAND, NEW 98 OWNERS.
AND SOMEONE CAME OUT AND GOT A BRAND NEW, OLD AS HE A BRAND NEW, WHY DID YOU CHOOSE BLOOM? I FEEL BACK SAYING YOU DIDN'T EVEN PAY A PENNY ON THE CAT FAB THERE.
I WISH I HAD BEEN THERE OUT, HAVE BOUGHT THE CHART, THE CHOICE OF YOUR COLOR AND THE COLOR OF YOUR CHOICE.
IT WAS MY TOWN, MY PATH OUT THERE TO THE COMING OF THE SOVIET UNION.
AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF IN MY ARMS, HOW ANYTHING CAN HE BE? INSTEAD OF JUST GIVING ME A COMPLIMENT, SAY, YOU'VE DONE A NICE JOB.
AND IF YOU WANTED TO BUY ANOTHER COLOR, HE COULD GO AND BUY A BRAND NEW CAR IN A COLOR THAT CHOOSING I'VE LIVED IN ROCK AND RON FOR SOME YEARS.
AND I'VE SEEN, I TELL YOU, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH, GOOD THINGS ABOUT RIDING, RUNNING THE PEOPLE WHO DEAL WITH THEM.
THE CRIME, WHAT CRIME DISORDER, THIS WHOLE PROTECTS HER ONE, THE HOUR SEEING THE CHANGE AND THAT COMMUNITY IS JUST GETTING BETTER.
PEOPLE HAVE DO DEFY THE HOMES, BUILDING ONES, THE CHURCH THAT USED TO BE BORED.
NOW A BRICK, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES APART.
AND IT'S HIDDEN IN A MORE POSITIVE DIRECTION, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.
NOW IT IS SAID THAT WE'LL BE CAN COME IN AND DO IT RIGHT NOW.
YES, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT.
JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS LOW.
IT DOESN'T MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, THAT IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, THE CITIZENS AND THE CITIZENS DO.
AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S LAW IN THE BOOK DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT.
THE SAME 35 ON ONE, GOLD IS ALL ON ANOTHER BECAUSE YOU SHOULDN'T GO 15 SAVING ALL THAT SAYS ON THIS HIGHWAY AND YOU CAN GO 65 IS WRONG ON ANOTHER HIGHWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO OVER THIRD.
IT DEPENDS ON THE PEOPLE DEPENDS ON THE PLACE AND THE SURROUNDING CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK IT WAS A BENEFIT TO FLAG THAT WASN'T NEEDED.
WELL, IT WAS LAW THAT ALL BLACKS DID IN THE BACK OF THE BUS AND RENDER THAT SEAT TO APPLY.
IF THEY COME IN AND INVESTIGATE THEIR NOTICINGS, EVEN THOUGH YOU JUST GOT THERE
THAT WAS MORE FROM A LOSS, WAS WRONG.
HAVING PROTECTED AND ENFORCED EVEN BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AUTHORITIES
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DOWN TO THE LEADER.AND IT WAS A BOX DECIDED TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN WORKING BEFORE THAT.
SHE WAS A SEAMSTRESS, JEDI WORKING ALL DAY, PROBABLY ALL THAT WEEK.
THE LAW LAW ARRESTED HER TO GO TO JAIL.
NOW MY, UH, SOLDIER, YOUR MOM'S IS THIS.
WHEN THE PEOPLE DECIDED TO FIGHT AGAINST THE DISTRICT AGAINST IT, HE GOES INTO THE ROOM.
UM, AND THEY WOULD HAVE A MARCH FROM SELMA TO MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA WITH A DOCUMENT INDICATING THE MEAN THE GOVERNOR OF COURSE, UH, HAVE THEM SAY, UH, AND I CALLED IT PRECONCEIVED MARCH ALONG THE TOPIC HIGHWAYS OF THIS STATE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BOOST THERE FOR, TO ALL THE FLOW OF TRACK AND COMMERCE WITHIN IT, THROUGH THE STATE OF ALABAMA, DR.
AND HE SAID, I WOULD RATHER DIE ON THE STREETS, ON THE HIGHWAYS OF ALABAMA, THEN TO BE ABLE TO MAKE, WHICH ARE NOT CONSCIOUS.
IT'S A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY JUST BECAUSE WHEN I WAS SAYING, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY.
AND IF, IF THE MAJORITY OF STEEL ROOMS, I REPEAT, IF THE MAJORITY STEEL ROOMS, SOMEBODY NOT WANT TO ANYBODY WANTS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE ROOMS, THEN WE WILL REMAIN THE SAME, CONTINUED TO THE AFTERNOON TO GET BETTER AND TO, UH, PLANT DIGNITY AND THE SENSE OF WELLBEING IN THE HOSPITAL OF CHILDREN.
AND INDEED, I MIGHT DO, MAY I ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU, WILL YOU LEAVE IN CASE AND THE OTHERS DO FIRST OFF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WERE SAYING THE ANALOGY ABOUT THE CAR THAT YOU BOUGHT AND THE OTHER GUY DIDN'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE COLOR, BUT HE DIDN'T PAY FOR IT.
UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE THING THAT REALLY STRIKES AT ME IS I'M AN INDIVIDUAL WHO BELIEVES IN THE CONSTITUTION, THE FOUNDING FATHERS, WHAT THIS GREAT EXPERIMENT WAS ALL ABOUT.
ONE MAN, ONE VOTE AND ALL THE OTHER WONDERFUL STUFF.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, I HAVE TO, TO WHITE FREEDOM AGAINST WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL UNFETTERED FREEDOM.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE OLD SAYING ABOUT THAT YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH FOR, DO YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM TO YELL FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
SOMETIMES WHEN THE BURDEN GETS HEAVY, I WISH I WASN'T.
MY BROTHER'S KEEPER AND I'M NOT THROWING OFF ON MY PARTICULAR BROTHERS IN CASE THEY HAVE TO SEE US ON CHANNEL TEAM.
THEY BOTH, BOTH, BOTH FIND FELONS.
AND WE GOT A HALF BROTHER, BUT SOMETIMES I WISH I COULD PULL THE COVERS AROUND MY HEAD.
AND WESTERN WORLD WOULD GO AWAY, BUT THEY WON'T DO IT.
AND AS MUCH AS YOU'D LIKE ROCKY RYAN TO STAY AWAY, IT STAYED FOR THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS.
AND GOD KNOWS, I LIKE FOR IT TO TOO, I WENT OUT INTO THE CHURCH.
I MET A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE AND MY WIFE CAN TELL YOU, I CAME HOME AT NIGHT AND TOLD HER THAT I'D NEVER BEEN AROUND TO FIND A GROUP OF PEOPLE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE.
I SAID, THIS TERRIBLE THING ABOUT IT IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WEIGH ALL THE THINGS AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
THE SHAME OF IT IS NO MATTER WHAT I DO, SOMEBODY IS NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GO AWAY MAD OR WHATEVER, BUT HONEST TO GOD, I'M GOING TO BE WISE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I CAN HOPE FOR.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, ALL OF US HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES PROGRESS BY SOMEBODY'S DEFINITION COMES, WHETHER WE LIKE, OR NOT MODERNIZATION, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THAT COMES WHETHER YOU LIKED IT OR NOT.
THE VERY HOUSE THAT I GREW UP IN AS A KID, IT WAS TIME TO TURN TO KEN LYNWOOD.
15 YEARS AGO, THE FARM I GREW UP ON IT WAS A HOLE IN THE GROUND.
LITERALLY IT WAS GONE AND I MISS IT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE SOLD OUT SO TO SPEAK, IT WASN'T A BAD THING TO DO.
IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AT THE TIME.
AND IF SOMEBODY WAS TO ASK ME WHETHER WE ZONE OR ETJ ROCKY RUN TODAY, OR
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WHETHER WE DON'T OR WHETHER WE EVER DO, IS IT GOING TO CHANGE? ALL I GOT TO DO IS LOOK AT THE WORLD AROUND ME AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SAY YES, BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED.EVEN THE RAIN FOREST IN THE AMAZON, IT'S ALL DOWN CONTINUOUS CHANGES WHERE SHE WASN'T.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO, TO, TO HOPE AND WHERE SHE CAN DO THE BEST YOU CAN FOR THINGS TO HAPPEN.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUST FACE REALITY IN THE FACE AND JUST MAKE THE BEST OUT OF THE SITUATION THAT WE CAN DO.
AND SINCE YOU'RE A PRAYING, MAN, HOW ABOUT PRAYING FOR THAT? FOR ALL OF US THAT HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS AND THINK ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND I MEAN THAT SINCERELY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN EASY THING, LIKE THE THING, THE SEASONS THAT ARE MADE, WHAT DOES THAT EXPRESS IN POST? BUT THE LAST ONE IS DISSATISFIED AND THIS BREEZES, WELL, ALL THE PEOPLE, THE CITIZENS WILL BE ABLE TO HEAR WHO DO A FANTASTIC JOB.
HAVEN'T BEEN WITHOUT REFUGE, THE STANDING TALL.
I WOULD NOT MOVE THEM ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND IF BEYOND, WELL, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT, PLEASE, WE BELIEVE THAT WE DESERVE THE GUNNER BECAUSE IT'S HOURS.
AND IT GOES BEYOND HIM TO KEEP ON WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM AN ENVIRONMENT THAT MADE YOU RESPECT AUTHORITY.
WE HAVE AUTOMOBILES, WE DRIVE, WE HAVE LAWS THAT WE KEEP
WE WERE VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH THE PROGRESS, THE HOME, THE CHURCH.
AND NOW ONLY THING IS WE CAN DO OUR CHOICE, SUIT SOMEONE.
ELSE'S WAY OF THINKING ON A TREND.
IS THAT NOT TRUE? WELL, WE ALL, AS YOU SAID, DEMOCRACY RULES AND YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE THINKING AND EVERYTHING, EVERY ACTION WE TAKE WILL BE THE RESULT OF DEMOCRACY.
AND THAT'S A GOD GIVEN LITERALLY NEXT, NEXT GENTLEMEN, OFF THE FRONT ROW, THAT'S AGAINST IT.
ARE YOU FOR IT OR AGAINST IT OR JUST A SPOKESMAN? OR DO YOU DO LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT OR? YES, SIR.
IF YOU'D RATHER, IF YOU'D RATHER WAIT FOR THEM, THAT'S FINE.
WHAT WAS THAT? I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
ANY OTHER MEMBERS WANT TO SPEAK AGAINST IT AT THIS POINT? IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE SAID THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID OR ISSUES THAT IN THERE.
IS THERE ANYBODY BETWEEN THE FRONT AND THE BACK SEAT BEFORE WE LET THE LADY IN THE BACK SEAT, BACK ROW SPEAK, ALL RIGHT, YOU WILL BE ALRIGHT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD ON THE BACK ROW THEN IF NOBODY IN BETWEEN WANTS TO SPEAK AGAINST IT, PLEASE TRY TO HOLD IT DOWN TO THREE MINUTES.
I THINK YOU SPOKE TO US BEFORE I'M SITTING AND RICK, WHAT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO DO WELL, THIS MAY BE UNPRECEDENTED IN MAYORAL HISTORY.
IF YOU CAN KIND OF SAY WHAT I WANT TO DO AND I SHUT IT DOWN THERE, IT'S JUST TAP THE THING LIGHTLY WHEN THE THREE MINUTES IS UP AND THAT'LL PUT US ALL ON NOTICE THAT THE THREE MINUTES IS RUN OUT.
AND I WAS ASKED TO DATE, ROCK, UH, I WANT TO SAY
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NOW LET'S GET DOWN TO THIS FIRST OFF.
LET'S JUST REMEMBER HERE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A BOAT.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A VISION AT ALL.
SO THIS IDEA OF US COMING UP WITH THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH TO SUIT YOU.
I'M GOING TO THREE PROS AND I WANT TO SUBMIT FOOD RNS CONSIDERATION AND SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD.
WE'VE BEEN TOLD WE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE BOTTOM TWO, THE X TWO TO A REGISTRATION, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE TAXED.
AND WE WILL NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
THEREFORE, I'M GOING TO ASK THE BOARD TO PUT THAT IN WRITING FOR ME AND FOR ALL THE OTHER EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, IF THE TOES AND ROBBINS AND THE COURT CORTEZ.
AND THE NEXT THING, BECAUSE THIS TAKE MY PROFIT IS NOT EXTRA.
HOW DO YOU SAY THAT? BACK AT THEIR WOODS? THERE'S NO REASON FOR BEING SICK.
THERE'S A SWAMP THAT SEPARATES NOT ROCK FROM HIGHWAY 17 AND ALSO NATURAL BUFFER.
THERE IS NO REASON WHY YOU CAN BE A NATURAL IN THE CITY OF NEW ALREADY.
ME AND I HAVE A CERTAIN POST IS THIS, IF YOU WILL NOT PAY MY PROPERTY OUT OF IT.
AND IF YOU WILL INSIST ON ZONE, I'LL ASK YOU THIS THIRD QUIZ AND DRY I ASKING YOU, JUST TELL ME TO NOT THAT
AND AT THAT TIME YOU WILL
YOU CAN ASK A POLICY, ANYBODY THAT GETS SUED MUST REQUEST BACK.
SO IF YOU DECIDE, IF YOU GET WATER TO THRIVE IN THE WATER SUIT, YOU MUST REQUEST THAT EXERCISE.
SO IF YOU DECIDE TO DEVELOP, YOU'RE NOT DEVELOPING THAT AND USE IT FOR TIMBERLAND.
BUT IF YOU DECIDE TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, THEN I WILL SAY, I WILL GIVE YOU WATER AND SU, BUT YOU MUST REQUEST ANNOTATION.
IF YOU'LL DO THAT, I'LL GET TO THE RECORD, NO MATTER WHAT THE TOWN THAT WELL, NOW YOU TAKE THEM AGAIN THAT YOU MOVED AT MY DISCRETION.
IF I EVER HAVE TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, REZONE IT TO OUR PANEL.
AT THAT TIME, WE FOUND ME BEFORE AND SUE, I SAY, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION.
THEN I'M ASKING IF YOU HAVE DONE THIS, THAT MAKE YOUR DECISION, THEN I'M ASKING YOU TO GIVE ME THAT WRITTEN, UH, WE'LL GET IT TO ONE CONCLUSION THAT YOU MUST REQUEST TO REQUEST.
WE SEE JUST BECAUSE WE EXERCISE ETJ, EXCUSE ME, JUST BECAUSE WE EXERCISE ETJ, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU GET ANY CITY SERVICES.
ALL THAT, ALL THAT ETJ IS IS THERE'S A PLANNING MECHANISM.
THAT'S A LAND USE MECHANISMS, WESTERN
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TO BE BECAUSE THESE ARE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE.THE STUPID THING IS YOU WOULD PUT THEM THROUGH AS TO WHAT YOU READ.
AND SO WHEN YOU READ IT, YOU WILL TERRIBLE.
WHEN THAT WENT ON LATER, I DIDN'T HAVE TO REPEAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I JUST THINK THAT IF YOU DON'T WANT US TO WORRY ABOUT BEING AN ANNEX AND YOU DON'T WANT US TO DO THE HACKS, THE NEW SHE'D BE WILLING TO PUT IT.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO PUT ON THE DOCK HOUSE, WE SHOULDN'T WE'RE BACK.
LET'S BE ABOVE GROUND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE THAT THEY ALL WELL BEING A BALL.
BOY, I TELL YOU WHY WE CAN'T PUT THIS IN WRITING BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT ANOTHER BOARD AT THE NEXT ELECTION FROM COMING IN AND ANNEX IN YOU.
THEY COULD, THEY COULD ACT, WE COULD NOT EXERCISE ETJ.
WE COULD TABLE THIS AND DON'T DO ANYTHING.
AND IN THE NEXT ELECTION, OUR BOARD COULD COME IN AND, AND NEXT YEAR WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T MAKE A GRIEVANCE LIKE THAT TO BUYING OTHER BULL.
WELL, HOLD ON, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
I MIGHT HAVE TO GET MY GAMBLE BACK FIRST OFF.
FIRST OFF, YOU HAVE ASKED THAT WE DO THIS, AND SO THE BOARD CAN TAKE THAT ON THE CONSIDERATION.
AND IN FACT, WE MAY COMMENT ON THAT AFTER WE'VE HEARD EVERYBODY PROS, CONS, AND ZEALOUS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.
AND I REPLY AND NOT A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS.
I WANT TO SPEAK HOW MANY IT GOES INTO THE MINUTES.
IF IT'S RECORDED, IT'S RECORDED RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU SEE THAT THE POINT, THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE THINGS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT IT MEANS, WHAT IT DOESN'T MEAN, WHAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE TO.
WE HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ANSWER THE THINGS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER.
OKAY? MR. WARD SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO US WHERE WE KNOW
AND AT THIS TIME, MR. WAINWRIGHT CAN SPEAK AND I'M NOT SAYING HE'S FOR IT, NOR AGAINST IT.
I'LL LET HIM DO THAT AS MY STATE REPRESENTATIVE.
HE'S MY REPRESENTATIVE TO YOU.
SO, AND MINE AND MINE IN ALL OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, TOM BAYLESS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT MEMBERS OF THE BALDWIN CITY MANAGER, HOTMAN CITY, ATTORNEY, WARD, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS AND FRIENDS OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING, I'M WILLIAM WAINWRIGHT, THE STATE REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTING THE 79TH HOUSE DISTRICT OF WHICH THE ROCKER RUN COMMUNITY AND THE HIGHWAY 17 CORRIDOR ON THE ETJ CONSIDERATION.
AS A PART OF THAT DISTRICT, I BELIEVE HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
WE ALL CAN AGREE AT THIS POINT THAT THIS IS SENSITIVE AND EMOTIONAL ISSUE CONCERNING THIS COMMUNITY.
I BELIEVE THE PROCESS WHO HAVE COME TONIGHT TO BE A PART OF THIS BOOK, HEARING CALM, THEY CALL SOME OF THAT INTEREST AND CONCERN FOR THAT.
FOR ME, QUITE INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
LET ME SHARE THIS BACKGROUND WITH YOU.
APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS AGO, I WAS CONTACTED BY SOME RESIDENTS OF THE F1 MENTIONED AREA, SEEKING MY ASSISTANCE IN HELPING THEM TO WORK THROUGH AND TO UNDERSTAND THE ETJ PROPOSAL PRESENTED TO THEM BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF NEWARK.
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CAN HONESTLY SAY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYOR HONORABLE MEMBERS THAT I HAVE ENDEAVORED THROUGH SEVERAL MEETINGS TO ACCOMPLISH THE OBJECTIVES THAT WERE REQUESTED OF ME AND THE SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT WERE HERE.WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CITY'S AUTHORITY BY STATUTE TO EXTEND BEYOND THE PRESENT CITY BOUNDARY OR THE LAST ETJ AREA.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE CITY CAN IMPLEMENT THEIR ETJ PLAN.
HOWEVER, I'M CONVINCED TONIGHT THAT MORE TIME IS NEEDED BY THIS COMMUNITY.
WELL, THE REASON TO UNDERSTAND THE TOTAL KNEE TJ CONCEPT AND HOW I WILL AFFECT THAT COMMUNITY, NUMBER TWO TIME IS NEEDED FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY TO STUDY THE PROPOSED ZONING FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA IN THE COMMUNITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT IS SUITABLE FOR THAT PRESENT LIVING SITUATION.
AND ALSO AN IMPORTANT AS I SEE IT, TIME IS NEEDED FOR THEM TO ASK THEM SOME REBEL, OF COURSE, AS IT RELATES TO THEIR COMMUNITY, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW WOULD THEY LIKE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY TO LOOK THREE FACULTY FROM THAT? HOW CAN THEY INCLUDE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY VERSUS THE FRAGMENTED PROPOSAL THAT IS BEING OFFERED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT? I BELIEVE THEY NEED THIS TIME.
I BELIEVE THEY DESIGNED THIS TIME.
AS YOU CAN BEAR WITH UPMC ON THE MAYOR AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THIS BULLET ISSUES CONTINUE TO SURFACE THAT ARE NOT GRABBING IT TO TJ, WHICH ISN'T, WHICH IS A CLEAR INDICATION TO ME IN THIS, THAT, THAT AWESOME VERSUS INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT DO NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN TO THEM.
ALSO, WHAT ELSE MUST BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS THE FACT THAT SOME INFLAMMATION HAS BEEN GIVEN THAT CAUSES THEM SOME CONCERN AND THAT INFLAMMATION NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND THOSE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE FROM THAT INFORMATION NEED TO EAT THE BE, UH, MEDITATE, OR IT NEEDS TO BE PROVEN FACTUALLY THAT THAT INFLAMMATION IS FOR WEIGHT.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I THINK THE RESIDENTS NEED, AND IS THERE ADDITIONAL TASKS TO PLOW THROUGH THESE MATTERS? I WOULD BE ONE WHO WOULD SAY THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN COOPERATIVE AND RESPONSIVE AND HELPING TO WORK THROUGH THIS PROPOSAL.
HOWEVER, EVEN WITH THAT HIP, THE HELP IN THE PRESENCE OF THE MAYOR AND HAVE BEEN PRESENT, OR SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, THERE ARE STILL SOME FEARS AND UNCERTAINTIES THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
ALSO, WE MUST TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE ARE SOME DIFFERING POSITIONS IN THE COMMUNITY CONCERNING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
AND I BELIEVE TIME IS NEEDED TO PREVENT ANY ILL FEELINGS OR ELEGANT NATION.
AND IT IS MY OPINION THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL POTTER'S CONCERN TO ALLOW AMPLE TIME TO THE RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY FOR THE PROPOSAL TO BE THOROUGHLY DEALT WITH.
I MUST ALSO SAY THAT SET UP TO PURDUE MADE A VISIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND MET WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY.
THEY SHARED WITH HER THAT CONCERNS.
SHE TALKED WITH HIM AND SINCE HER MEETING WITH HIM, SHE AND I HAVE
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HAD A CONFERENCE ON THIS PARTICULAR MAP AND THE BOTH OF US FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST, THE CITY AND ALSO THE RESIDENTS OF ROCK AND ROLL AND HAVING A 70 IN COURT TO BE GIVEN APPLE TIME, WHATEVER THEY, THEY, THE, THE MAYOR AND THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN CONSIDERED TO BE APPLE TACK.WE DON'T, UH, DISAGREE OR WILL NOT DISAGREE.
BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING ON THE MAYOR WAS THAT WE FEEL THAT APPLE TIME SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THEM.
WE, AGAIN, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL RUSH TO IMPLEMENT THIS PROPOSAL IMMEDIATELY.
AND, AND, AND BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH SENATOR TO SHE UNDERSTAND, UH, THEY CONCERN FOR ORDERING GROWTH MOVING SOUTH DOWN AVENUE 17.
BUT THE COURSE OF THAT YET REMAINS ANNOUNCER ANNOUNCER IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A REAL NEED TO IMMEDIATELY OR HER, THEY IMPLEMENT THIS WITHOUT THE CITIZENS, REALLY HAVING A GOOD FEELING ABOUT, AND, AND, AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THE CITIZEN REALLY FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A BOOK TOGETHER THAT THIS IS, OR IS NOT GOOD FOR THEM.
ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN YOUR DELIBERATIONS TONIGHT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL RUN AN EXTENSION OR WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL PROCEED TO VOTE ON THIS MATTER.
BUT SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK AND REQUEST THAT YOU AS ELECTED MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF LUBRIDERM WOULD CONSIDER THESE FACTS AND BASE YOUR DECISION TO GRANT AN EXTENDED ATTACK ON THE FACTS THAT I HOPE I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT TO JUSTIFY REASONS, TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME TO THE RESONANCE OF IT, TO CONTINUE TO DELIBERATE DISCUSS, AND HOPEFULLY COME UP WITH A RESOLVE AS TO WHAT IS THEIR REAL POSITION RELATIVE TO THE ETJ PROPOSAL BEING OFFERED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON THE MAIL.
LET ME BEFORE Y'ALL JUST LET ME TAKE MY MALE PREROGATIVE AND LET ME SAY A FEW THINGS AND Y'ALL CAN HAVE AT IT FIRST OFF, UH, UH, PERSONALLY, THINK A LOT OF AND RESPECT REPRESENTATIVE WAYNE WRIGHT AND, UH, AS A FRIEND AND AS A REPRESENTATIVE, AND IF ONLY FOUND HIM TO BE TOTALLY FAIR AND IN REPRESENTING EVERYBODY AND GOING ALONG WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND SUGGESTING, I LIKED IT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS AND POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS, FOR AN EXAMPLE, JUST FOR ALL OF US BENEFIT IN MY THINKING FOR AN, THE CARD AT HOME.
WE TALK ABOUT THE CAR AND I'M ASKED TO SECTION OF 17 BETWEEN RIVERBEND AND NEWARK AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I WAS JUST THINKING THAT ONE OF THE, WELL, SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE WHO'VE SPOKEN TONIGHT HAVE BEEN WRAPPERS, REVEREND BROWN, FOR AN EXAMPLE, IS IT NOT POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW UNDER THE LACK OF ZONING REGULATIONS AND THAT TYPE OF THING, SOMEBODY COULD COME ALONG AND PUT UP A BILLBOARD.
THEY WOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY DISGUST EVERY ONE OF US OR MOST EVERYONE.
IS THAT NOT TRUE? THAT IS TRUE.
AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY DID SUCH A THING? AND THEN WE CAME IN AND ZONED IT, WOULD THEY BE GRANDFATHERED THAT THEY COULD LEAVE IT THERE FOR A DISGUSTINGLY LONG PERIOD OF TIME? AND I HOPE I DON'T GIVE ANYBODY ANY IDEAS IS WATCHING THE TELEVISION.
BUT MY POINT IS THAT SOMETIMES DELAYING THINGS CAN CAUSE THINGS UNEXPECTEDLY TO HAPPEN AND UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT IN FACT, THE ZONING AND THAT TYPE OF THING WAS DESIGNED TO PREVENT.
AND THEN WE GOT TO LIVE WITH IT.
I DON'T HAVE THAT SAME GOOD SIDE OF THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT AND ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GO ON WITH FARMING AND THOSE ACTIVITIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED.
IT'LL ALSO ALLOW TO GUIDE IT'S DONE SOMETHING TO KNOW IT WAS WARRANTED TO CONTINUE HERE AS TO, SO IN MY WAY OF THINKING, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU GOTTA SEPARATE THE TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE JUST AS A CONSIDERATION.
ONE IS THE ROCKY RUN PEOPLE PER SE.
AND THAT'S THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OFF OF 17.
AND THAT AREA THEN IN THAT COMMUNITY, YOU'RE NOT DECIDED THE ONES THAT LIVE ON 17 DON'T REALLY BELONG.
THEY DO BELONG, BUT THEY ARE UNDER A SPECIAL ADVANTAGE.
AND YOU MIGHT SAY, DISADVANTAGE, ARIANA, AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT ROAD FRONT PROPERTY DOWN THE ROAD, IT'D BE WORTH A LOT OF MONEY.
THE DISADVANTAGE IS THEY ARE A PART
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OF THAT CAR AND NO MATTER HOW FINE WE CUT THAT LINE, THAT AFFECTS THE PEOPLE IN NUBA AND THE PEOPLE IN WHEREVER MAN, AND THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF 17.IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND DO SOMETHING TO DISGUST.
ALL OF US IS ENTRANCES INTO OUR PLACES WHERE WE LIVE AND EVERYTHING ELSE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GIVING, GIVEN GIVEN TIME, ONE, ONE IS A MUCH MORE OF AN ESSENCE IN MY WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH GIVING EVERYBODY A LONG TIME TO, WE ALL, HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY COME TO SOME SORT OF A CONSENSUS AND AGREEMENT.
BUT THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME A LOT IS HOW MUCH DAMAGE MIGHT WE DO IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY ALONG THAT CARD.
AND THEN MURPHY'S LAW SAYS, DON'T YOU EVER HAPPEN WHILE WE DILLY DALLY AND TWIDDLE OUR THUMBS.
AND THEY WERE ALL KIND OF GRANDFATHERED AND STUCK WITH IT.
SO, UH, WHAT DO YOU, DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? WE UNDERSTAND THE TWO PIECES THAT, YEAH.
SPEAK, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
AND IT HAS BEEN WELL EXPRESSED.
I WOULD RESPOND TO, BY SAYING WE ARE NOT REQUESTING, UH, A REAL OLD TIME.
WHAT WE ARE SIMPLY REQUESTING IS A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME.
AND WE LEAVE THAT TO YOU AS A CITY PHARMACY TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHERE HE FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT IS REASONABLE.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TO DEAL WITH THIS SITUATION.
AND I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND, AND THE MORE I LISTENED TO, UH, THE PRESENTATION FROM THE, BOTH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE REAL INTEREST, HOWEVER, AS I SEE IT, WE MUST LOOK AT IT, CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, ROCKER, VERMONT AS A WHOLE, THE NEW THAT, HOW WAS 17 CORRIDOR, THAT POT THAT'S OFF OF THE HIGHWAY, THAT POD THAT'S OFF OF ROCKET ROCK AND ROAD THAT MAKES UP THE ROCK AND ROCK COMMUNITY.
AND HOWEVER, IF IT IS THE WHEEL AND THE ZACK, UM, THE RESIDENCE, UH, ON THE CAR DOOR TO DO SOMETHING, I THINK THAT APPLE TIME SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THOSE RESIDENTS TO, TO AT LEAST EXPRESS THEMSELVES TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT WHAT THAT POSITION IS.
AND THEREFORE EVERYBODY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY IS AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR.
CAN I, AND I ALSO POINT OUT TO THE FOLKS AT ROCKY RUN, AND I WANT THEM ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS BOARD DOES CONSIDER YOUR FOLKS INTELLIGENT AND, UH, ALL OF THE OTHER GOOD THING.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANY MISUNDERSTANDING HAS COME ABOUT THROUGH ANY COMMENTS OR WHATEVER, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING HEARINGS AND, AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS IF WE DIDN'T CONSIDER EVERYBODY, UM, INTELLIGENT AND SO FORTH.
I MEAN, SO I WANT TO CLEAR THAT MISUNDERSTANDING OF IT WITH THAT UNDERSTOOD.
HOPEFULLY I WOULD LIKE TO APPEAL TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS OF ROCKY RUN THAT SORT OF, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT SOMETIMES WE WISH WE COULD LIVE ON AN ISLAND, SO TO SPEAK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND NOT REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE OTHER FELLOW.
AND, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT ASKING THE OTHER FELLOW TO WORRY ABOUT US OR WHATEVER.
BUT REMEMBER, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT, AS FAR AS THE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, IT MAY BE IF WE DILLY DALLY TOO LONG, SO MANY THINGS THAT WE HAD FEARED COMING ABOUT MAY COME ABOUT, AND THEN WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE.
SO WHEN YOU WEIGH IN, WHAT'D YOU THINK ABOUT IT, OR WHETHER YOU FOR IT OR AGAINST IT, OR AS GOOD OR WHATEVER, PLEASE ACCEPT THAT LITTLE BIT OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE ALL HAVE TO ACCEPT.
WE ARE CITIZENS AND FULL FLEDGED CITIZENS.
SO, UH, I'M JUST ASKING YOU CONSIDERATION.
AND MATT DIAMOND DOW IS ON OUR FULL BOARD SPEAK.
WELL, TWO QUESTIONS, UH, YOU SAID
I DIDN'T SAY I WASN'T REFERRING TO INFORMATION THAT MIGHT'VE COME FROM MEMBERS OF THE PLANET DEPARTMENT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH ME.
THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO ETJ WHERE IT CAME FROM.
I CAN'T REALLY SAY, BUT THERE IS SOME INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT'S CAUSING SOME CONCERN THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE.
IF I STOOD UP THERE AND REPEATED 10,000 POUND, THAT WE
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WILL NOTSO WE'RE NOT UNDER THE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR 12 YEARS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE THAT LONG AND SITTING HERE AND BE GRANDMA, SOME BABIES IN THE BACK.
AND Y'ALL BET YOU CAME AND I BET YOU WON'T STAND UP.
I CHANGED THE CITY POLICY TO WHERE, IF YOU WANT THIS CITY'S RESOURCES, WHICH IS SOON PRIMARY, YOU MUST COME INTO THE CITY.
I WILL NOT GRANT MS. JOHNSON AN EXEMPTION OF THAT.
SHE HAS NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER RIGHT NOW TO DEVELOP THAT PRODUCT, UH, TRULY BELIEVE HER, BUT NOT ALL OF US WERE PURCHASED FOR CHILDREN, BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO SPEND TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY AND THEY DIDN'T CITY, SO THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO REQUEST THAT
ALTIMA MAKE DOWN A ROCKY RUN AS A DIVERSE COMMUNITY.
AND IN THAT COMMUNITY, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS.
SOME OF THEM DON'T REALLY, I MEAN, I WOULD BE ONE OF THESE PEOPLE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW A PIECE OF PROPERTY, MAYBE, POSSIBLY THEY A FARM ON LINE, HEY, LITTLE TAXING ON ALL.
I CAN, ALL OF A SUDDEN BE WORTH ASKING THEM.
I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY TOLD ME, HEY, TOMORROW MY IS WORTH $250,000.
FIRST THING I DO IS LIKE, WHERE DO I SIGN? SECOND THING I DO IS Y SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOTHING MORE THAT THIS CITY CONCERN, ROB BASS, MR. BROOKE, ERIC AIR, HE CONCERNED MR. BROOKS PAN WAS NEGATIVE.
IT HAD NO BASIS OF FACT AT ALL.
JEWS CAN RIB KING WITH BUDDY WAS CAN I CAN JUNE BARBARA MACK, THE MAYOR, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, ANYBODY IN THIS CITY CAN TELL THEM THAT.
AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE.
THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME FUN.
LOOK AT IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG THIS ISSUE.
I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DEBATE IT TO DEATH.
WE CALL IT WHEN A PERSON HAS LIVED IN A COMMUNITY AND OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND THEN HAS BEEN HANDED DOWN FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION TO THEM.
AND THEY SEE THIS AS THE GREATEST GIFT OF LIFE TO THEM.
AND AFTER, YOU KNOW, UH, WHY YOU TREASURE THIS WELL TO HAVE SOMEBODY HAVE TRUTH UNTRUE, NO TRUTH TO IT, TO COME AND TELL YOU THAT WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THE CITY HAS THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE YOUR MAN.
WHEN SOMEBODY PRECEDES THE REAL ISSUE AND SAYS TO A RESIDENCE WHO BEEN THERE, ALL OF THAT LIFE WHO RECEIVED THIS FROM THAT DAD, HIS DAD, HIS DAD HAS OWNED DOWN THE LINE AND THEN FEEL THE URGENCY AND THE NEED TO PROTECT THIS.
WHEN SOMEONE PROCEEDS THE REAL ISSUE AND SAID TO THEM, THE CITY, UH, THROUGH THIS PLAN HAS THE ABILITY TO TAKE YOUR LAND.
THE WOMEN THAT DOMAIN, AFTER THAT AUTUMN, A MACDOWELL, ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY ELSE SAYS WE'LL ALWAYS AT BEST, UH, HAS A LEVEL OF SKEPTICISM TO THAT PERSON.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, IT TAKES TIME SOMETIMES TO PERSUADE AND CONVINCE A PERSON OR PEOPLE, WHAT THE REAL TRUE FIELDS WE CAN CONVINCE EVERYBODY.
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YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONVINCE.THERE ARE PERSONS WHO, WHO PEOPLE HAVE FAITH IN, WHO PEOPLE HAVE, WHO PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED, WHO CAN TAKE THE TRUTH TO THEM.
AND IT MIGHT BE MORE RECEPTIVE.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT AFFORD TONIGHT, YOU MIGHT FIND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE
I'LL LET KNOW HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH.
WELL, I THAT'S THE ONLY SAID THEY RECENTLY, HOW MUCH TIME YOU, WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE REASONABLE IS I WOULD LIKE ME PERSONALLY, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL, ME PERSONALLY, BASED ON MY FIELD AND, AND, AND DEALINGS WITH IT.
I THINK THAT THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST A MONTH.
YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THE LAYOUT OF THE COMMUNITY, THE DIFFICULT TO GETTING PEOPLE TO THE MEETING, PEOPLE WORK DIFFERENT SHIP.
AND IT HAS BEEN MY DESIRE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE REPRESENTATIVE, ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EVERY HOUSEHOLD SO THAT THEY WOULD AT LEAST BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE HAD INPUT INTO THIS PROCESS AND WHATEVER THE OUTCOME IS, UH, WHETHER IT'S PRO OR CON, AT LEAST I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN MY LONG DESIRE TO, TO, TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND I REALIZE IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN 100%, BUT WHAT, WHAT TIME YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME TO A REAL COMFORTABLE PERCENTAGE WHERE WHATEVER THE FINAL DECISION, WHATEVER THE INPUT IS, THAT IT TRULY REPRESENTS THE TRUE FEELING, UH, THE ROCKET ROD RESIDENTS.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO EVEN KNOW IF THIS BOARD HAS ANY, IF THE JAR FOR THIS BOWL HAS A DESIRE TO EXTEND ATJ, LET'S SEE WHAT WE DON'T.
WHAT DOES THE YARD ON HIS BOARD DID? HE EVEN WANTS TO EXTEND THE DJ AND SEE THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PUT THESE FOLKS THROUGH ANOTHER MONTH TO TERMINAL.
IF THIS BOARD HAS NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER TO EXTENDED FIRST, I'LL FIND OUT TONIGHT.
IF THERE IS A MAJORITY ON THIS BOARD THAT WANTS TO DO THAT.
AND I TOLD HIM, I TOLD HIM THE FOLKS AND SOME OF IT, I DON'T RECOGNIZE SOME OF YOU WERE HERE.
I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER, EVERYTHING THAT THIS BOAT COMMITTED TO MAKE SURE IF WE DID, IF WE EXTEND THE TJ THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WITHIN WE'LL GET HIS OWN IS I REQUESTED THE LADY IN THE BACK AND TAKE THAT I HAD NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
IF SHE WANTS TO CHANGE THE DARK 10, I HAVE NO PROBLEM CHANGE.
I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME CONSISTENCY.
IT'S GOT TO BE SOME KIND OF SYSTEM THAT'S WHERE THE CRUX NEEDS IS BECAUSE THE CITY OF NEW NEEDS TO DO.
I MEAN, I, I DIDN'T GET WHERE I'M AT NOT LIKING PEOPLE.
AND I DON'T FIND DOING THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIE.
AND I DON'T BLOCK SITTING HERE PLAYING ON THE GO.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO, BUT I NEED TO, AND I DON'T NEED TO WAIT A MONTH, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, WE'VE ALREADY WAITED ON.
I RESPOND TO YOU BY SAYING ALL MY LIFE THAT AFTER YOU CANDIDATES, THEY, THE MEMBERS OF THIS BULLET AND IF THEY CHOOSE, OR IF THE MAJORITY OF THEM DECIDES THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO
HOWEVER, IF IT IS THE WILL, THAT THEY MAY BE LEANING TOWARD IT.
I'M SAYING DON'T LEAN TOO FAR TONIGHT UNTIL YOU HEAR THE ABSOLUTE FACTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS THING SINCE DAY ONE.
BEFORE YOU CAME INTO IT, WHEN IT WAS THE FIRST LITTLE CHURCH OUT THERE ON HIGHWAY 17, AND I'VE SWEATED THIS THING, AND I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS, I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS WHO WERE AGAINST IT.
I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS OVER FORWARD.
I'VE HEARD BLATANT LIES COME OUT THIS FRUIT ON BOTH SIDES.
OKAY? I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE WE NEED ETJ IN THE ENTIRE AREA.
I THINK WE NEED PART OF IT, BUT MOST OF IT PROBABLY
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SERVES NO SERVICE TO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.THE THING IS, IF WE, IF WE CONTINUE TO WAIT, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AGAIN IN A MONTH.
IF WE SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK UP HERE THE SECOND TUESDAY OF FEBRUARY, AND WE'RE GOING TO VOTE IS AT IT.
AND SORT OF SAY, YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO DRAG IT ON BECAUSE IT'S PUTTING UNDUE HARDSHIP ON MYSELF, THESE ALDERMAN AND ALL THESE FOLKS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET IT OVER WITH.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WAITING A MONTH.
THIS I'VE WAITED SINCE SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT WE KEPT PUTTING IT OFF, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET THE REAL THING, THE MAIN THING IS I DO BELIEVE IF THE TRUTH COMES OUT, A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY CHANGE THEIR MINDS ABOUT THAT.
DOESN'T MATTER HOW I RESPOND TO YOU.
I WAS INVOLVED IN THIS PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WHEN ROCKET RON WAS CONSIDERED AND WITH, AND WE CAME TO SOME AGREEMENT THING.
SO I'VE HAD SOME PRIOR DEALINGS WITH THE CITY, AS IT RELATES TO ROCK AND RON'S ROCK AND RON BEING CONSIDERED, BUT THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE.
THE SAME THING IS YOU'VE HAD, YOU HAD NO DEALINGS WITH THIS SIDE OF THE CITY.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU THE FIRST TIME ABOUT THIS THING.
IF WE SAT DOWN AND TALK, I'VE TRIED TO CONTACT YOU, BUT YOU'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO, BUT YOU'VE NEVER TRIED TO CONTACT ME.
WE COULD HAVE SAT DOWN AND MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME AGREEMENTS AND I'D BE GLAD THAT'S.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE HEATED DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN YOU AND I HAD RELATIVE TO THIS.
I HOPE NOT BECAUSE I MAY BE THE ONLY PERSON SITTING ON THIS BOARD ON YOUR SIDE.
I'M EXPRESSING WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT A GOOD SPOT TO YOU AND DIRECT PERSON BY SAYING TO YOU, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DRAG IT OUT BY ASKING FOR TENUOUS, UH, EXTENSORS, UH, TO DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE.
I BELIEVE SPEAKING FOR ME AGAIN, THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS THAT WE, I THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE PREPARED TO SEND FORTH A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD OF BALDWIN'S AS TO WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE THE TRUE FEELINGS AND WISHES, UM, RATHER THAN A ROCK AND RUN.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, UH, PRESENTATION TO THE BULLET, THE BOARD THEN CAN MAKE WHATEVER DECISION THEY FEEL IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.
IS THERE NO ATTEMPT ON MY PART TO DRAG THIS MATTER OUT? HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO BE READY TO REALLY DEAL WITH THE REAL ISSUES OF ETJ.
NO, UH, REVEREND WAYNE, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR YOU AND A VELVET PURDUE AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
AND, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD SINCE 1986, AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A MEMBER OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, UH, TO TRY TO CONVINCE US TO, TO, UH, CHANGE A POLICY POLICY CONCERNING ETJ WILL LEAVE THE ANNEXATION.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE TIME I SPENT IN THE TRIANGLE AND, UH, I REMEMBER THE, UH, COMMUNITIES OF A CALL BOROUGH, CHAPEL HILL AND A CARROT.
NO, WHEN I WAS IN, IN DURHAM, CARY WAS A COMMUNITY OF ABOUT MAYBE 2000 PEOPLE.
AND RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OF A AGGRESSIVE CITY MANAGEMENT, UH, THE POPULATION EXCEEDS 50,000 PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE SURPASSED NEWBURN, EVEN THOUGH NEWBURN IS A SECOND OLDEST CITY IN THE STATE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I REALLY FEEL IT DOESN'T DO THE CITY JUSTICE WHEN, WHEN, WHEN MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY COMING FOR US AND TRY TO PREVENT US FROM ANNEX AND TO TRY TO PREVENT US FROM EXERCISING ETJ.
AND, AND YOU SEE, YOU GOTTA REALIZE HE NOT ONLY DO YOU REPRESENT ROCKETS AND YOU REPRESENT THE CITY AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT FAIR TO US BECAUSE ALL WE'RE DOING IS CARRYING OUT THE LAWFUL OBJECTIVES OF, UH, OF STUFF OF CITY POLICY, WHICH IS WE WANT TO CONTROL THE, UH, THE USE OF LAND WITHIN ONE MILE OF OUR CITY LIMITS.
AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND WHEN YOU GO TO DURHAM, THEY DON'T HAVE THESE KINDS OF PROBLEMS. WHEN YOU GO TO GREENVILLE, THEY DON'T HAVE THESE COUNTER PROBABLY GO TO KEVIN.
THEY DON'T HAVE THESE KINDS OF PROBLEMS. AND THE REASON I KNOW THIS IS THAT WHEN I GO TO THESE MUNICIPAL MEETINGS, I ASKED THESE PEOPLE, I SAID, LISTEN TO THE MEMBERS OF GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO COME TO YOUR MEETINGS AND TRY TO STOP YOU FROM ALEX AND TRY TO KEEP YOU FROM EXERCISING ETJ.
AND SEE, IT WAS DECIDED BACK IN 1959,
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BUT YOUR S YOUR, YOUR GOVERNING BODY, THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA FOR CITIES TO GROW.AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO GROW AND WE'LL TRY TO GROW IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND, BUT I REALLY FEEL THAT SOMETIMES OUR LOCAL LEGISLATORS HAMPER WITH THAT, AND IT'S NOT RIGHT.
UH, I FEEL ON OF A MIRACLE, THE, TO RESPOND TO THAT BECAUSE OF ONE I'M NOT HERE TO TRY TO PERSUADE THE CITY IN ANY WAY TO ALL, TO ANY OF YOUR STATUTORY AUTHORITY, I'M NOT HERE TO TEMPLE WITH ANY PROPOSAL OR PLAN THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE.
I'M NOT HERE TO TRY TO PERSUADE UNIT EITHER WAY.
FIRST OF ALL, NUMBER ONE REASON IS BECAUSE CONSTITUENTS THAT I REPRESENT REQUESTED MY ASSISTANCE IN HELPING THEM TO, TO STRICTLY WORK THROUGH.
I'M NOT HERE REPRESENTING AN OPINION, EITHER WAY.
I'M HERE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHATEVER IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THEM.
AND ALL OF THEM CAN TELL YOU THAT I WENT TO GRAVE KNIT IN EXPLAINING TO THEM THE CITY STATUTORY AUTHORITY, AS IT RELATES TO ETJ, I HAVE ATTRACTED TALENT WITH, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T ISSUED ANY THREATS, OR HAVEN'T TRIED TO GIVE THEM ANY GROUNDS BY POLICE DATE.
KIM TRIED TO OVER WHAT I SENT EXPLAINED TO THEM IS THE PROCESS AND THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY.
THEY ASKED ME TO HELP THEM TO WORK THROUGH IT.
THEY ASKED ME TO HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND AND TO TRY TO, UH, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THAT COMMUNITY.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I AM UP HERE BEFORE THIS OFFICE SPOTTED THIS ELECTED BODY.
AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I WILL REQUEST IT.
AND I FEEL THAT I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO RESPOND.
I'M ASKING RESPONSIBILITY TO THEIR EXECUTIVE REPRESENTATIVE TO HELP THEM TO WORK THROUGH THIS, TO UNDERSTAND I'M NOT TRYING TO DISSUADE YOU.
I'M NOT HERE TO CHANGE YOUR APPROACH TO DOING IT, WHICH CAN'T HOLD, UH, PUT IN UNDER THE PRESSURE OF YOU NOT TO DO WITH A, TO DO IT, OR I'M THIS, LET ME, LET ME SAY IN YOUR DEFENSE THAT, UH, Y DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH, UH, MR. WAYNE WRIGHT AND MYSELF, UH, WHY HE'S TELLING YOU IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
HE IS ONLY ASKING MY DEALINGS WITH HIM, THAT THE, THE PEOPLE BE HEARD THAT THEY ARE, UH, HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S TAKING PLACE.
HE IS CONCERNED IS BEING THAT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT BEEN CLEARLY LAID OUT OR, UH, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT, UH, RUMORS INSIDE BEFORE FLOATING AROUND.
AND THAT'S BEEN EXACTLY THE TRUTH.
WELL, MY LIMIT, LET ME ASK THE REQUEST OF HIM, CAUSE I KNOW HE'S COMING DOWN HERE IN GOOD FAITH, BUT MY REQUEST IS AS A MEMBER OF THIS GOVERNING BOARD, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF APPROXIMATE 3,500 PEOPLE IN THIS CITY AND WHO, WHO ARE ALL IN THE 79TH HOUSE DISTRICT, I'M ASKING YOU TO HELP US TO EXERCISE OUR E T J SO WE CAN HAVE ALL THE GROWTH IN THE ROCKY RUN COMMUNITY AND ON THE CORNER CORRIDORS OF HIGHWAY 17 AND ASKING YOU TO HELP EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE IN THE ROCKET RUN COMMUNITY, THAT THE EXERCISE OF EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION BY THE CITY OF NEWBURGH WILL NOT AFFECT THE QUALITY OF THEIR LIVES.
ONE, I ORDER, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
AND YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT ATJ YOU THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND, AND, AND I'M ASKING YOU TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE SEE, SOMETIMES YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU CAN BE BLINDED.
YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND CAUSE I CAN GET LIKE THAT SOMETIMES.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I WENT MY WAY, YOU KNOW, I GET IRRATIONAL.
YEAH, MY, MY, MY, UH, MY COMMENT IS, UH, REPRESENT WAINWRIGHT, ASKED FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR IT TO BE EXPLAINED.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION DIRECTED TO PLAY IN DEPARTMENT.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE BEEN IN AND WENT TO EXPLAIN ETJ? UM, WE HAD
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A MEETING IN SEPTEMBER THAT WAS CALLED BY ALL OF THEM.WE HAVE A PLANE RIDE AND WE ALSO ATTENDED A MEETING, UM, SATURDAY, UM, AT THE SAINT JAMES CHURCH, CERTAINLY THE STAFF I NOTICED, UH, ALDERMAN AND
AND THE REASON, THE REASON I ASK IS, AND WE'VE ALSO CANCELED THE PUBLIC HEARING LAST MONTH TO ALLOW MORE TIME FOR INFORMATION TO BE GIVEN.
SO SINCE SEPTEMBER OF THERE HAVE BEEN THREE MEETINGS AND A PUBLIC HEARING COUNCIL TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH PEOPLE, UH, WE'RE REPRESENTING WHERE WE'RE AT.
WHEN YOU SAY MORE TIMING SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, NOW, JANUARY FIVE MONTHS.
AND, BUT BEFORE I GO THAT FAR BEFORE I GOT FR, UH, JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN, I MAY ASK THIS QUESTION, HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE ARE AGAINST ETJ AGAINST HOW MANY, HOW MANY ARE FOR, SO YOU BOUGHT HALF AND HALF.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, I BEEN WITNESSES THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT SEEMED RELEVANT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WOULD SEEK OR ASK THE TRUE OPINION, UM, YOU WILL PLANNING STAFF.
I BELIEVE IN SOME PARTS, THEY WILL AGREE WITH ME WHEN I SAID TO YOU, I PUT THEM ON THE SPOT.
I MEAN, THEY BEEN TELLING YOU THAT THERE IS SOME MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND I, I AGREE WITH, AND I WON'T TELL YOU ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.
AGAIN, I BELIEVE IN OPEN DISCUSSION, I BELIEVE IN OPEN GOVERNMENT AND ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS SERVED BY EITHER THE CITY FOLKS MEETING IN THE ROCKY RUN, PEOPLE NOT BEING INCLUDED.
AND I DON'T THINK HAS HAPPENED ON THE OTHER HAND, THE ROCKY RUN PEOPLE MEETING AND THE CITY PEOPLE NOT BEING INCLUDED.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT HAS OR HASN'T HAPPENED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT ONE THING IT MIGHT IMPEDE UNDERSTANDING ON BOTH SIDES IS WHEN THESE MEETINGS TAKE PLACE.
AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO REFUTE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IS FACT, AND TO SAY, WHOOP, TIMEOUT, HERE'S THE STATUTE BOOK OR WHATEVER, SHOW IT TO ME.
THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT I THINK MR. WAINWRIGHT IS ALLUDING TO THAT OVER TIME.
AND THE REASON IT'S TAKEN SUCH A LONG TIME IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET TOGETHER AND THEY TALK ABOUT IT AND THE, AND THEY ALL OF THE SAME THOUGHTS, SO TO SPEAK.
SO NOTHING, NOTHING IS GAINED OUT OF IT AS FAR AS UNDERSTANDING OR NEW KNOWLEDGE.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK HE'S ASKING FOR MORE TIME THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S GOOD QUESTIONS I ASK, WHY HAS IT TAKEN SO LONG? YOU KNOW, WE PUT IT OFF, UH, BELIEVE ME, HIS PATIENT IS ALL I WAS TRYING TO BE.
HE DOES GET A LITTLE BIT OF A BURR UNDER YOUR SADDLE TO KEEP SEEING ANYTHING.
OH, AND ANOTHER THING IS WE ANNOUNCED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT AND IT'S GOING TO BE OVER WITH, AND HERE IT IS.
AND IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE A TOTAL IDIOT.
I HAVE TO SHAVE HIS FACE EVERY MORNING, BUT I, BUT YOU KNOW, I READ IN THE PAPER, IF WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT, THEY THINK IT WILL BE TONIGHT OR TOMORROW NIGHT OR WHATEVER.
AND THEY WERE ASKED TO CALL IT OFF TILL THE MAX TIME.
THEN I HAD PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, WHAT ARE Y'ALL UP TO? SO MAYBE SAY IT'S ON, SOMEBODY WOULD SAY IT'S OFF AS ASSAM CHICANERY GOING ON OR WHATEVER.
AND I DON'T LIKE THAT FEELING EITHER.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO GET IT OVER WITH, AND, AND IF THE POINT IS, AS FAR AS ME AS A MAYOR AND I'M ONE VOTE, I WOULD AGREE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IF YOU COULD SETTLE ON ONE MONTH AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTOOD AND DOWN TO PAT AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED AGREE TO THAT NIGHT AND THE HAMMER WILL FALL AND THAT'LL BE THE END
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OF THAT SITUATION.AND WE CAN ALL MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS, HONORABLE MAYOR AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THIS BAR.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS FOR CONSIDERATION TO THAT VERY POINT THAT YOU MADE.
I BELIEVE THAT WITHIN 30 DAYS THAT CAN BE A, A TRUE DECISION OR MAY REPRESENT US FOR AT LEAST THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS REALIZING THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY.
AND THAT CONTINUOUSLY BEING FOREMOST IN OUR MIND, THAT WITHIN THAT PERIOD, THAT I WOULD REQUEST ALL THE RESIDENTS TO APPOINT A PERSON OR A COUPLE OF PERSON TO APPEAR BACK AND FORTH.
IF YOU WANT TO LET THIS SERVE AS THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, OR IF YOU WANT TO OPEN UP ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, I WOULD REQUEST IT THEN THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD AND SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THE FINAL DETERMINATION IS AND WHAT BASIS THAT DETERMINATION WAS RE WHEN WILL IT BE ONE PERSON THAT THEY WILL ENUMERATE ALL THAT? UH, I, I WOULD, I, IT WOULD BE MY REQUEST, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK
I MEAN, DON WAS NEXT AFTER, AND THAT THE CITY FATHERS, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF WATER WILL BE THEN PERMITTED TO VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE AND CONVICTION RATHER THAN TO THIS
I HAVE NEVER SEEN EXCEPT ON ONE OCCASION
AND I DON'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN TALKING TO PEOPLE.
SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU TELLING ME, I SAID, THANK YOU FOR THEM TOMORROW.
AND I, AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW MY PRESENCE HERE IS SINCERE AND GENUINE.
AND MY INTENT IS TO OWN IT ENSURE THAT THE RESIDENTS OF ROCKER MON UNIVERSITY, UH, AT LEAST FEEL THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED JUSTICE HAVE BEEN HEARD AND THAT THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHATEVER THE END RESULT OR THE END VOTE WILL BE, AS IT WERE NEXT TO THIS MAP.
IF, IF WE PUT IT OFF FOR ANOTHER MONTH, WOULD YOU AGREE TO BE THE MEDIATOR IN THIS MEETINGS, MEETING OR MEETINGS WE HAVE SO THAT WE HAVE AN IMPARTIAL PERSON RUNNING THE MEETINGS.
I WANT SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT FOR OR AGAINST IT.
I DON'T WANT IT BIASED ON EITHER SIDE.
WOULD YOU AGREE TO HELP US THERE? AND WE'LL ENDEAVOR TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE TO THE IMMEDIATE? ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE AS A PERSON WHO WAS LIVING BY THAT TRULY AN ACRONYM.
NUMBER TWO, IF WHEN THE MEETING IS SCHEDULED AND WE HAVE ALL HAVE AMPLE TIME TO ATTEND IT, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT AFTERNOON THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEETING THAT NIGHT.
AT THE LAST MEETING, I HAD A MESSAGE ON MY MACHINE.
ALL OF THEM MCDOWELL CALLED ME THAT EVENING AND SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO MEET TONIGHT.
SO YOU KNOW, IT SOME BAD SHIT, BUT I'D LIKE FOR AS MANY OF US THAT CAN BE THERE TO LISTEN.
I'VE MADE A LOT OF GOOD FRIENDS IN ROCKY ROAD.
AND, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.
I WENT THROUGH ANNEXATIONS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, WHATEVER FOR NINE, NOT ONE MUCH ETJ.
AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF ANNEXATION, BUT IF YOU'LL HELP US THERE MEDIATE THE MEETINGS, WORK WITH BOTH SIDES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRUTH COMES OUT, I'LL DO EVERYTHING I CAN ON THIS BOARD TO TRY TO PUT IT OFF FOR ONE MORE TIME.
I'LL ENDEAVOR TO DO THAT TO THE BEST THAT ADAM ADMITTED THAT THE RESONANCE OF THAT COMMUNITY TO DO THAT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THAT.
AND I NOTICED THAT ALL OF THEM TURNED UP TO THE BED.
I THINK IT WOULD DO WITH THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY.
GOOD, BECAUSE THEY HAD MADE THAT, BUT IT WAS NOT NICE TO INVITE SOMEONE ELSE TO WHAT IS NOT REALLY, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS WHO HAVE KNOWN IT ON THOSE TWO HERE AND TO BE PRESENT.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ONE MINUTE.
WELL, I HAVE BEEN, I HAVE BEEN THE MEETING THAT YOU HAD AT, UH, I DON'T EVEN WANT CHURCH.
I WAS THERE AND I LISTENED AND I WAS, I'VE BEEN TO TWO OF THE MEETINGS OUT OF THE THIRD ONE.
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A LATE NOTICE ON WHEN I, I COULD PROBABLY HELP TRY TO PERSUADE THIS GROUP.IF WE CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF ASSURANCE.
I DON'T WANT TO GO IN THERE WITH SOMEBODY FROM EITHER SIDE TRYING TO PUSH SOMETHING DOWN EVERYBODY'S THROAT.
I WANT IT TO BE COMPLETELY UPFRONT.
WELL, I THINK ALONG WITH THAT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU'RE THE ONLY INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS NOT SAID WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST IT.
SO I THINK YOU PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE, AT LEAST THE ONLY VISIBLE INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT HAVE CREDIBILITY, HOPEFULLY WITH BOTH SIDES BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN A STAND AND I'M ON RECORD HAVING NOT, AND WILL NOT TAKE A POSITION EITHER WAY.
I'M ONLY THERE, FIRST OF ALL, AT THE REQUEST OF THE RESIDENTS AND SECOND INCOME TO MAKE SURE THAT FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE
MY MOM ONLY STATEMENT IS, UH, OKAY, GOT IT.
THE STATEMENTS NOT TO YOU, BUT, AND I THINK OUR, OUR PLANNING GROUP HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.
AND SOMETIMES WE GO BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT IF IT WOULD HELP, COULD I PLAY A DEPARTMENT SAID LETTERS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THE OTHER REGISTERED LETTER THAT THE OTHER LETTERS WENT OUT, TELLING THEM IN DEFINITION FOR ETJ IS AND WHAT THE CITY CAN AND CANNOT DO WHATEVER.
WE'LL DO WHATEVER, MAYBE HELP, BUT YOU'VE SENT A LET OUT TELL THEM WHAT ETJ WAS AND WHAT IT CAN, AND CAN'T WHAT CAN BE DONE.
MORE SLIDES SHOWING, TALKING ABOUT THE VARIOUS CLASSIFICATIONS.
SO THEY'VE GOT THOSE LIPS CERTIFIED LETTER GAVE A SUMMARY OF EACH SELLING HISTORY AND IT ALSO GAVE A NARRATIVE THAT EXPLAINED THE AREA THAT WAS UNDER CONSIDERATION, AS WELL AS WHAT CITY HAD THE AUTHORITY TO DO UNDER ETJ.
WELL, WELL, LET, LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS HERE ON THE MAYOR IN A SPONSOR, I'M NOT A PRACTICE TO, I THINK IF THE INFORMATION IS CONCISE, UNDERSTANDABLE, I THINK PEOPLE TEND TO DEAL WITH IT BETTER WHEN YOU SEND THEM FOUR PAGES, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU GOT TO BE DEALING WITH ETJ, YOU DEALING WITH WHAT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS ARE YOU DEALING WITH MATH, YOU'RE DEALING WITH ALL OF THESE ISSUES AND SOMETIME YOU CLOUD OR DEFEAT THE PURPOSE BY GIVING THEM TOO MUCH WHEN YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
I THINK PROBABLY WHAT MIGHT'VE BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE IN THIS CASE WOULD BE TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE ONE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION DOES NOT MEAN ANY TAXES TO EXTRA TERRITORIAL.
JURISDICTION IS NOT A PRECURSOR OR NECESSARY TO ANNEXATION.
I MEAN, JUST EIGHT OR 10 BULLETS.
AND WHAT CAUSED THAT HAS BEEN THE ANTITHETICAL INFORMATION HAS BEEN, BEEN GOING AROUND.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING, BUT LET ME SAY THIS.
WE HAVEN'T AGREED YET, BUT IF WE AGREE TO NOT PUT IT OFF FOR ONE MONTH, BUT WE GONE ALSO AGREE THAT IT, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, THAT VOTE WILL BE TAKEN THAT NIGHT NO MATTER WHAT.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE TO I, TO AIDS PROMISE WHY THIS TIME, IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS CLEAR OFF OF HERE, WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM THE ONES THAT'S BORING.
UM, I MAY HAVE THIS BOND AND I HOPE I DIDN'T SET A BAD PRECEDENT.
I FEEL LIKE I HOPE, I HOPE THE REASON PROBABLY IN A LOT OF CASES IS MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHERS DON'T APPEAR WITH OTHER BOARDS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A GOOD LINE OF COMMUNICATION.
I LIKE TO THINK THAT OUR BOARD DOES HAVE A LINE OF COMMUNICATION WITH OUR REPRESENTATIVES AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
SO, AND I DO SHARE REPRESENTATION ON THE SICK.
WE ALL START ON THE ONES AS FAR.
AND IF YOU CAN DO TRIED TO HOLD IT AS BEST WE CAN, BUT OBVIOUSLY
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THE ONES THAT ARE AGAINST IT IS MORE OF A, BECAUSE THEY WILL START NOBODY ON THE FRONT RIGHT OF SECOND ROAD, THE FELLOW WITH HIS HAND UP.I LIVE AT 4 21 ROCKY ROAD ROAD.
A QUESTION CAME UP EARLIER ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY OR GROUP THAT IS GOING ON IRAQI ONE OR NOT.
I'VE BEEN BACK IN NEWBURGH FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW TO THOSE THAT HAVE NOT PAID ATTENTION TO IT.
PEOPLE WHO BUILD HOUSES THAT IS BUILDING THAT IS CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVE 17 NEW FAMILIES IN ROCKY BOY IN LESS THAN FIVE YEARS THAT TELLS YOU GROWTH IS HEAD HAPPENING NOW, WILL THEY BUILT ON THE VACANT LOT? UM, SOME HOMES WERE BUILT ON VACANT.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE MOVED INTO HOMES.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEIR, THEIR ACTIVITY GO ON AND ROCK AND RUN.
THEY WERE SAYING YOU CAN'T SEE THE GROWTH NECESSARILY, BUT IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WOULD LOOK AROUND THEM AND JUST COUNT BY FINGERS, THE NUMBER OF NEW FAMILIES OR ADDITIONAL HOMES IN OUR AREA THAT WOULD TELL YOU THAT WE ARE THOUGH, WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE'S PERMISSION, SUCH AS YOUR NEIGHBOR, THAT THAT, THAT COMMUNITY IS CHANGING.
AND WITHOUT THE STRONG ARM OF LAW IN PLACE, BEFORE IT HAPPENS OR GET OUT OF HAND, IT WOULD TRAMPLE OVER YOU.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE WANG, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE HE HAS TRIED TO BE A VERY UNBIASED AND NEUTRAL PARTY TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE MISCONCEPTION AS TO WHAT ETJ OR ANNEXATION HAS BEEN.
I WOULD LIKE ALSO TO ASK THAT IN RECOGNITION, THE WAY HE REQUESTS THAT WHEN, OR IF A MEETING WAS TO TAKE PLACE TO FURTHER CLARIFY ANY MISCONCEPTION OR INFORMATION ABOUT EXTRATERRITORIAL OR JEWISH, EXTRA TERRITORY OR ALLEGATION, THERE'LL BE SOMEONE WHO IS NOT GOT, WHO DOES NOT HAVE A PREDETERMINED AGENDA.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR PEOPLE IS THAT WE WERE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND WHAT THEY MEAN.
SO YOU GUYS WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AS TO, UM, GET THE PEOPLE WITH THOROUGH, GOOD KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN WAIT WITHOUT A NON EMOTIONAL FEELING AND DEAL WITH OUR ABILITY TO THINK AND NOT JUST WHAT WE FEEL, BECAUSE
AND I FEEL THAT WE ARE A HEART HEARTFELT PEOPLE AND WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
BUT WHAT I THINK IS THIS IS MY ABILITY TO REASON.
I THINK THAT WE CAN NO LONGER SIT BACK AND PRETEND THAT IT'S GOING TO STAY THE SAME.
AND IF IT DOES STAY THE SAME, IT'S ONLY BE BECAUSE THE WORLD HAS COME TO IAN AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE.
SO DON'T SIT BACK AND HOLD ONTO OUR PATH.
PRETEND THAT WE'RE NOT CHANGING 17 NEW FAMILIES, ROCKY WHEEL ROAD, STATE, AND ROLL ON THE HIGHWAY.
YOU MIGHT CAN'T COUNT IT, BUT THERE'S FOUR MORE FAMILIES ON THAT ROAD.
IN THE LAST FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.
SHOULD I POINT THEM OUT FOR YOU? IT IS REAL.
THE CHANGE HAS HAPPENING FASTER THAN YOU CAN COUNT IT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT ROAD FOR IT? OKAY.
HOW ABOUT THE THIRD ROAD? ANYBODY ON THAT ROAD IS FOR IT AND I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ANYBODY ELSE AND THAT, THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR IT.
SO SEVERAL OF YOU RAISE YOUR HANDS, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
WHERE ARE WE RIGHT HERE? UH, YES, SINCE WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PROS AND THE CONS, IF WE CAN, IS EVERYBODY HERE? WE LOST A COUPLE OF, OKAY.
I THINK THE THING, THIS IS, THIS IS PROBABLY PART OF WHAT REVEREND WAINWRIGHT ALLUDED TO EARLIER ABOUT HAVING A MEETING.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE GET OUT OF HAND AND START DISCUSSING THINGS AS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ETJ SAC.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE THE VOTE
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ON THE EXTRA MATERIAL TOWARD JURISDICTION OF THE ROCKY ROAD, HIGHWAY 17 AREA FOR ONE MONTH TO BREAK, TO BE BROUGHT BACK AT THE FIRST, FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY TO BE VOTED.DO I HAVE A SECOND SEC, SEC? UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE, UM, THAT THERE BE A BROOD, UH, APPOINTED WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK TO 10 DAYS THAT THEIR JOB IS TO SIT DOWN WITH THE STAFF AND DISCUSS THIS AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH, BECAUSE TODAY WE HAVE HAD VERY LITTLE EVENT, IT'S BEEN A WIN LOSE SITUATION.
AND, UH, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A BRUTE POWER THAT WILL DISCUSS WITH US THESE ISSUES SO THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION OUT.
AND SECONDLY, I'VE JUST SPOKEN WITH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE WAINWRIGHT WHEN WE DELAY, UH, ETJ EXTENSION IN THE HAYWARD FARMS AREA IN 1987, UH, BILLBOARDS POPPED UP LIKE NEW YOUNG PLANTS AFTER A SPRING RAIN BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS COMING.
AND, UH, HE HAS AGREED TO CONTACT NCD OR T TO REQUEST THAT NO PERMITS ISSUED FOR NEW BILLBOARDS DURING THAT TIME.
AND I'D LIKE FOR THOSE TWO THINGS TO BE A PART OF THE MOTION SO THAT WE CAN SEE SOME REAL, OKAY, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT I HAVE A COMMENT.
ALSO, THE MEETING NEEDS TO BE HELD IN A NON FIVE PSYCH.
IT DOES NOT, I GOT ENOUGH TO FIT EVERYBODY.
SO YOU'RE NOT SITTING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
SO I'M THINKING BEN QUEEN SCHOOL SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD.
I THOUGHT YOU REPRESENTED WITH, AND WE UNDERSTAND IS THAT LEGAL FOR MASTER? AND THEN IN THERE, I CAN'T DO IT.
CAN'T DO WHEN YOU CAN BE APPOINTED FROM ANOTHER GROUP DISSIPATED BEFORE.
SO WE, WE'VE GOT A MOTION TO DELAY THIS THING FOR ONE MONTH.
AND THEN THAT NIGHT, THE HAMMER SHALL DROP THAT'S RIGHT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION MY MIKE IS ASKING AS A REQUEST THAT WE DO IT AND THE LEGAL COUNSEL SAYS WE CAN'T MAKE THAT PART.
WE ASKED, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT ALL COOPERATING PARTIES DO THIS AND THAT'LL HELP TO INFLUENCE OUR VOTE THAT NIGHT.
THIS LED TO EVERYBODY'S COOPERATING.
I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SET THE ZONING PLAN.
PLANNING STAFF IS ON THAT MAP OVER THERE.
UH, AND THAT TWO MONTHS AND THREE MONTHS, IF YOU NEED THAT, THE PLANNING STAFF WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS OF ROCKY RUN AND THEY GET TOGETHER AND GIVE US A CONSENSUS OF HOW THEY WENT THEIR PROPERTY ZONE, UM, NOT, UH, UH, AGAINST TIME, BUT THIS NICE DRAGGING ON FOREVER.
I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW A MONTH FROM NOW, SOMEBODY WILL CALL AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT, I DON'T NEED THAT.
THE MINES ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE, AND WE NEED TO STEP FORWARD AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
WE AS A CITY HAVE ALL READY, BEEN OVER BACKWARDS AND BACKWARDS AND BACKWARDS TO TRY AND EXPLAIN, AND THEY DON'T LISTEN.
WE ARE NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA, PERIOD, AND THE DISCUSSION.
TAKE A LOOK AT HIGHWAY 17, LESS THAN THREE MONTHS AGO.
SAMANTHA'S WAS DEPLETED RIGHT NOW.
WE KNOW FOR A FACT, WELL, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD, UH, AND WILLIAMS IS DUBLIN INSIDE.
THERE IS A CLEAR LOCK AT THE END OF ROCKY RUN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING THERE, BUT SOMETHING'S GOING THERE.
CAUSE NOBODY CLEARS LAND PILED UP DIRT AND DON'T BUILD SOMETHING IT'S ON A HALF-LIFE.
WON'T PROTECT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AM NOT LOOKING THE RABBIT TILL NEIGHBORHOODS.
I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE 12 YEARS AND DONE THAT I DON'T WANT TO DO.
I REALLY DON'T EVEN WANT TO DO IT, BUT I NEED TO DO I HAVE TO DO, UM, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU A STORY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO USE SCARE TACTICS.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO BLANK OUT HERE TRYING TO SCARE YOU WITH BARS.
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AND EVEN THOUGH IT IS A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY, WE GET THAT.I HAVE A VERY DEAR FRIEND OF MINE THAT 30 YEARS AGO, HE HAD AN OLD FRIEND THAT WOULD NEIGHBOR, FRIENDS, GREW UP YELLING.
AND THE SECOND FRIEND WENT INTO THE MIDDLE OF A LITTLE, ALL SHE KEPT STOP.
MY FRIEND WAS PROBABLY IN HIS BOARD THAT WERE FRIENDS.
IT'S 30 YEARS LATER, FOLKS, MY FRIEND HAS DONE EMPHYSEMA.
HE DON'T HAVE A FRIEND NAMED HOME BECAUSE THAT SHOP HAS BECOME FIRST AND ALL OF THEM CAN'T SHOP THERE.
THE GUY THAT STAYED OUT HERE, 11, 12, 1 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, POUNDING ON CALLS, FIXING BEATEN UP DANCE BECAUSE HE CAN'T BUILD JOBS.
NOW MY FRIENDS WENT IN THE FERMENT SHOP.
AND ONE O'CLOCK IN THE COURSE OF MY CAR IS GOING TO KEEP HIM AWAY BECAUSE HE CALLED THE POLICE.
WE FINALLY GOT THAT SITUATION CORRECTED WHAT? LOONY PAINT, BODY SHOP, A PAIN BODY SHOP.
AND THIS GUY HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FAN BLOWING IT RIGHT BACK REAR, WHICH IS A LEAP.
WE HAD TRIED TO CATCH THAT MAN FOUR TIMES THAT I KNOW.
AND WE CAME, LET ME TELL YOU FOLKS, DON'T TAKE YOUR THERE.
THEY ARE YOUNG PEOPLE AND THEY'RE OLDER PUBLIC PEOPLE OUT THERE, BUT WHAT IS THERE TODAY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE 30 YEARS FROM NOW.
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN YOURSELF OUT? AND IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING.
LOOK AT THE END, THE OTHER END OF ROCKY ROAD, WHERE DID THE GUY BUILT THE METAL BUILDINGS? WHAT IS IT IN AUTO BODY SHOP, BODY SHOP.
AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO BE IN FRONT FOR HIM.
AND IT REALLY TRULY IS A FRAME.
YOU'LL GO BUILD SOMETHING THERE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT IT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME THING 30 YEARS FROM THEN.
YOU'RE GOING TO WAKE UP TOMORROW.
IT IN THE SAME WAY YOU WOKE UP TODAY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FEEL ANY DIFFERENT.
THE AIR IS NOT DOING ANY SWEDEN, BRINGING LESS WHEAT.
YOUR PAYMENTS ARE STILL GOING TO BE YOUR NEIGHBORS.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR CHILDREN.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA LIVE WITH EACH OTHER.
THE ONLY TIME THIS CHANGE KICKS ME IS GOING TO GO UP YOUR SALES, YOUR PROPERTY, AND MOVE.
THAT'S WHEN SOMEONE KICKS IN, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, THE MAN OR THE PERSON THAT SOLD THAT, LEASE A PROBLEM WITH ETJ.
NOW YOU MIGHT LOVE THAT FELLA.
I HOPE ALL OF YOU LOVE EACH OTHER AND YOU SHOULD LOVE EACH OTHER.
YOU SHOULD BE A GOOD CLOSE TIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT DOESN'T STOP.
IF ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK BETWEEN THE PALACE MOTEL, WHERE 1950 AND ROCKY ROAD, THERE WAS ALL KINDS OF FARMS IN BETWEEN ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT GREW UP IN THAT AREA.
ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT I NEVER SELL MY LAND THEY NEEDED, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE VOTE.
I AM NOT COMING OUT HERE TO TAKE YOUR LAND AND I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND PROFESS THAT MY, MY GOAL IS TO HELP YOU PROTECT YOURSELF.
AND I, I DO NOT HAVE A PERSONAL VESTED INTEREST IN THIS BIKE IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT I TOOK A NOTE TO DO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS BEST FOR THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT.
AND IT'S $2,400 GIVE OR TAKE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THAT I REPRESENT AND THEY NEED YOUR HELP WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.
AND I SAY THIS ONLY AS AN ILLUSTRATION FOLKS, WE'RE NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE TO GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO BE A STEAM ROLL OR THE ROLLOVER.
I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I HAVE TO MAKE MY OWN.
AND I HAVE TO DO WHAT I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO DO.
WHEN THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN COMMUNITY
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APPROACH THE CITY OF YOU WITH A REQUEST FOR WATER, WE MET VILLAIN EVERYWHERE, PLAYING IN OUR POWER TO SEE THAT THAT'S DONE.WHY WE CALL IT THAT YOU NEED IT AND WE CAN PROVIDE.
WE ALL THE 21,000 CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF NEW.
WHEN YOU ASKED US TO COMFORTABLE, WE DID.
AND YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE PERSON CALLED ME AND COMPLAINED ABOUT US.
GIVE THEM WATER TO WALK, NOT A SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT WE HAD YOU NEED, WHY SHOULD WE NOT GIVE TO WHY SHOULD WE NOT HELP? AND YET WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT ALL THAT.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE,
WE KNOW LIKE A DOG, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HELP HIM OUT.
AND I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT DONE WITH DOUBT WITH TOM
THIS CITY IS HELPING YOU OUT AND THEY NEED YOUR HELP BECAUSE THEY NEED TO HELP GET TAKE.
WHAT IF EATING CHANGES HAPPENED ALONG HIGHWAY 17? AND I SAY THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO REPORT CHANGE, VOTE.
YOU ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN SELL THE LAND.
SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION NEXT WEEK? THE PLANNING BOARDS ZONING, AS IT'S DICTATED ON THAT MAP AND IN THE SENATE THAT THE CITY PLANNING STAFF HAD MANY MEETINGS IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, AS THE FOLKS AT RAKU
AS THEY SEE FIT, I WANT YOU TO SAY IS THE NO ENTRENCH EMOTION, MAYBE THAT EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION, BIG STANDARD INTO THE AREA RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
YOU WERE MEANING THAT LAURA IS BECAUSE HE'S, HE'S GOT A MOTION THAT WE, THAT WE DO IT AND VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.
I SAID, I SECOND THAT MOTION AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL, THIS MATTER, I THINK WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT SO THAT THE FOLKS WHO EITHER KNOW THAT THERE'S A MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD IS DON'T DO IT.
WHATEVER THE ON BOARD IS NOT GOING TO DO IT.
IF WE'RE NOT DOING IT, WE MADE A GOOD IDEA, RIGHT? THESE FOLKS.
WELL, I SIT IN YOUR EMOTIONAL, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR EMOTION RATHER.
I'M SORRY TO WHAT WAS A GOOD SONG.
I SIT WITH YOUR MOTION TO EXTEND THE ETJ TONIGHT.
AND THE REASON IS, IS, YOU KNOW, ON NUMEROUS, BUT TO NAME A FEW, UH, NUMBER ONE, I MEAN, WE WERE JUST REALLY BEATING THIS THING TO DEATH.
IT'S REALLY NOT A SIGNIFICANT MATTER BECAUSE NOBODY'S LIFE IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED.
AND, UH, WE'RE WASTING VALUABLE STAFF TIME.
WE'RE WASTING OUR OWN ENERGIES.
WE'RE CAUSING A LOT OF FRICTION IN THE COMMUNITY.
I HAD A MAN THAT CALLED ME UP LAST NIGHT TO SAY THAT, UH, ONE OF THE LEADERS TOLD HIM TO SIT, SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN IN A MEETING.
AND WE'RE AGONIZING OVER NOTHING.
AND SEE AS LEADERS OF THE CITY, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE HIGH MORAL GROUND.
WE HAVE TO TAKE AN AGGRESSIVE STANCE AND STAND FOR GROWTH, ORDERLY GROWTH AND PROGRESS.
AND YOU KNOW, DONNA, YOU KNOW YOURSELF, FIVE YEARS AGO, OUR BOND BOND RATINGS WERE EXTREMELY HIGH.
AND THE REASON WHY THEY WERE HIGH IS, WELL, I'M SORRY.
I'LL I'LL BOND RATINGS WERE LOW.
AND THE REASON WHY THEY WERE LOW IS THAT IT WAS DETERMINED THAT NEW BROWN WAS, WAS 20 YEARS BEHIND IN GROWTH.
AND SO WE NEED TO POSTURE THE CITY OF NEWBURN IN A WAY THAT WE CAN GROW.
AND WE NEED TO DO THIS IN AN AGGRESSIVE FASHION.
DON'T WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO LET THE LIKES OF KELSTON IN GREENLAND AND ROCKY MOUNTAIN WILSON OUTDO US.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING BY BEING S JUST NOT BEING AGGRESSIVE.
THE ONES WHO ARE GUEST ETJ TONIGHT ARE GOING TO BE AGAINST IT 30 DAYS FROM NOW, THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
SOMEONE CRITICIZED ME FOR SAYING SOMETHING REVEREND SIMILAR.
I HAVEN'T, I DIDN'T COMMENT ON HIS PRESENTATION.
SOMEONE CRITICIZED RICK PENDLETON.
SO I'M CONVINCED THAT THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING CAN BE GAINED BY A WEATHER AND RAIN, WAINWRIGHT,
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REPRESENTATIVE WAYNE WRIGHT MEDIATING WITH THESE FOLKS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW HE'S HERE IN GOOD FAITH, I JUST FEEL THAT IS GOING TO BE IN VAIN.WE NEED TO MOVE ON BECAUSE WE GOT OTHER BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF.
WE DON'T NEED TO BE AGONIZING OVER THIS TRIVIAL ISSUE.
AND IT'S TRUE OF YOU BECAUSE NOBODY'S LIFE IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED.
ONE ARE OLDER AND YOU, LISTEN, YOU LISTEN.
IF YOU A MAN THAT DRINKS ALCOHOL.
NOW, WHEN THE JURY DECIDE, DECIDED TO LORD THE, THE, UH, THE ALCOHOL LIMIT FOR CONSUMING ALCOHOL, I MEAN, HE, THEY DIDN'T GO TO EACH AND EVERY DRINKER AND SAY, THIS IS WHETHER YOU THINK 0.08 IS LOW ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE TO EVEN HAVE TO THAT PEOPLE ELECT YOU TO TAKE CARE OF THE, THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT AND MOVE ON.
YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET PEOPLE TO AGREE ON ANYTHING, NOT MAJORITY.
DO YOU THINK IF WE NEEDED TO RAISE TAXES FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE, THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD VOTE TO RAISE TAXES? NO, BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO PAY TAXES.
YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE HIGH MORAL GROUND, BE STRONG, BILL LEADER, VOTE YOUR CONVICTION, AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT EVEN THE ELECTION DO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT.
AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT.
THAT ETJ IS NOT GOING TO GO ON TO AFFECT THEM.
WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS AND MOVE ON WITH THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.
I MAY SAY, ALONG WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY, HOPEFULLY WHATEVER WAY WE VOTE, WE ALL BELIEVE WE'RE TAKING THE HIGH GROUND AND DOING WHAT'S RIGHT.
AND SECOND THING IS THAT OBVIOUSLY, SINCE THESE PEOPLE CANNOT VOTE AGAINST US OR FOR US, THAT IF WE DO EXTEND THE TIME 30 DAYS, WE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT CAVING IN TO BOATS.
THAT WOULD BE, UH, NOT TOO UNAPPARENT, I GUESS, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATIONS OF EVERYBODY I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, MIKE, TO TELL ME OTHER THAN THE BILLBOARDS, WHICH MR. WAINWRIGHT THINKS HE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWNSIDE OF THE 30 DAYS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE WAY I SEE IT IS IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT WE VOTED AGAINST FOR THIS THING TONIGHT, THEY WOULD FEEL HURT.
THEY WOULD FEEL LIKE THAT THEY WERE DONE WRONG.
AND THE PAIN IS WHAT I CARE ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE ANXIETY AND BE AFRAID OF THINGS THAT'LL NEVER HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S STILL A REAL FEAR.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TREAT PEOPLE FOR THAT.
WHAT I LIKE TO KNOW IS WHY IT IS OPPOSITE.
THE DOWNSIDE OF US WAITING FOR 30 DAYS, WHAT IS THE HARM IT POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY COULD BE DONE IF HE CAN STOP BILLBOARDS.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING ADDITIONAL LAND USES COULD BE APPROVED.
ROBERT IS SACKING IT, AND ANYBODY LIKED IT.
EITHER VOTE ON THAT OR EITHER ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE.
NOW THIS BOTTLE STUFF TOO, THEY GO BACK TO THE RIVER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS TO DO IT TONIGHT.
CALL THE ROLL ON DOING IT TONIGHT.
NO STEPS TO MOTION TO SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
NEVER GO BACK TO THE FIRST MOTION.
DID WE EVER GET A SECOND? THE FIRST MOTION? AND THAT WAS WAIT 30 DAYS.
DID WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT? OKAY.
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CALL THE ROLL ON WAITING AND 30 DAYS.AND THAT 30 DAYS MEANS JUST WHAT IT SAYS.
WELL, THAT DATE FIRST MAY NOT CHANGE IT DUE TO THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, WHICH IS 30 DAYS PLUS A BALANCE.
YOU MIGHT CALL THE ROLL ON THAT.
THE FIRST MEETING OF NEXT MONTH, WE'RE GOING TO BET IT ON THIS THING.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT EVERYBODY COOPERATES AND DOESN'T LET ANYTHING THAT'S UNDESIRABLE SLIP IN.
SAY IF Y'ALL HOLD IT MORE DIRECTLY, THAT'D BE PUT ON THIS AGENDA.
WE JUST MISSED THAT MESSED UP.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE TO EXTEND EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF NEWBURN AND ASSIGN ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS TO THE AREA IN WHICH IS ADJACENT TO GREENBRIAR HIGHWAY 70 AND RUNS DOWN TO HIGHWAY 17.
ANYTHING'S GOT TO DO WITH, UH, HIGHWAY 17 OR ROCKY ROAD.
THAT'S THIS ONE I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND WRITE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT CALL THE ROAD PLEA.
WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS 12.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? MINUS NUMBER 12, CALL THE ROLL ON THAT PLEASE.
AND, UH, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, GREG, BUT I THINK, WELL, TARGET IS GOING NEXT TO LOWE'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF MCCARTHY BOULEVARD.
WHEN THEY STARTED THE SITE WHERE ON THE HARRIS TEETER SUPERMARKET IS GOING TO GO ON THE CORNER OF GLEN BURNIE 17 WHEN THE GREAT WALL IS, AND UM, THE MOBILE HOME DEALERSHIP IS THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE REMOVED.
AND THAT IS WHERE THE HARRIS TEETER DEVELOPMENT IS GOING.
IT WILL BE MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE IN TOWN.
AND THAT WHOLE SITE WILL BE CLEARED IN A NEW STRIP SHOPPING CENTER WITH THE NEAREST TO THE GROCERY STORE IS GOING TO BE LOCATED THERE.
WHAT HAPPENED IS WE INITIALLY REVIEWED THE SITE PLAN FOR THE TARGET DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS BEFORE HARRIS TEETER ANNOUNCED ITS LOCATION AND ITS SITE PLAN.
AT THAT TIME WE APPROVED THE SITE PLAN AND FOLLOWING THAT APPROVAL, THE HARRIS TEETER DEVELOPMENT CAME IN AND THAT WAS CONTIGUOUS OR ADJACENT TO THE TARGET SITE IN LOOKING AT THE TWO SITE PLANS, STAFF ALONG WITH DDOT, BOTH FELT THAT IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR TARGET AND HARRIS TEETER TO HAVE AN INTERNAL DRIVEWAY CONNECTION.
SO SOMEONE WHO WAS SHOPPING AT HARRIS TEETER OR TARGET COULD GO TO THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTER WITHOUT HAVING TO GET OUT ONTO 17 IN GLEN BURNIE ROAD TO ACCESS THE OF A DEVELOPMENT.
THERE WOULD BE AN INTERNAL CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING LOTS.
NOW, WHERE IS THIS NEXUS SUPPOSED TO RUN? THAT'S WHAT I NEED.
I HAVE SOMEBODY CALL ME THAT IT ALSO PROPERTY VERY CLOSE TO THAT AREA.
AND IN ONE TIME THEY HAD ONE TO CONNECT TO THAT TO GLEN BURNER.
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IF YOU CAN PICTURE IN YOUR MIND A TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE TARGET STORE OWNS A LARGE TRACK OF LAND, THEIR BACK OR TWO OUT PARCELS IN FRONT.WELL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
ARE THERE ANY PROBLEMS WITH PUTTING THIS ALSO THE NEXT WEEK? WELL, UM,
BERNIE WAS, UH, RIGHT HERE IS THE HARRIS TEETER PROPERTY BACK BEHIND IT IS THE TORY PROPERTY.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION FROM THE BACKSIDE OF HARRIS TEETER THAT WOULD CROSS THE DITCH INTO TARGET'S PROPERTY.
AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE THAT IN GLEN BURNIE, ESPECIALLY FROM EITHER WHAT CAR THEY DRIVE THROUGH.
I GUESS THIS IS JUST BETWEEN THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS AND THEY'RE JUST SEPARATED BY DITCH.
IT'S NOT, WE CAN'T COMMAND THEM TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY CAME IN AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
WE'RE JUST REQUESTING THAT THEY DO IT IN HOPES THAT THIS BOARD WILL HAVE ENOUGH INFLUENCE ON TARGET TO GET THEM TO AGREE TO THAT CONNECTION.
WE, WE PRESENTED IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND ASKED THEM TO DO THE INTERNAL BROADWAY CONNECTION.
AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN TARGET.
WE FOLLOWED UP WITH A, WITH A REQUEST TO THEIR ENGINEER.
CHARLIE CAME BACK WITH A LETTER SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
THE OWNER OF HARRIS TEETER IS WILLING TO DO IT.
AND WE FEEL THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY FOR TRAFFIC PURPOSES TO PROVIDE THE DRIVER CONNECTION.
AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO HELP US IN TERMS OF LETTING TARGET REPRESENTATIVES IN MINNEAPOLIS KNOW THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY.
WHERE ARE YOU WITH IT? SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL THE ROLL ON THAT.
WELL, THE NEXT THING WE HAVE WAS A PIPE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, I'VE GOT ONE MR. DEAN KNIGHT TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
I BELIEVE HE IS HIGHLY QUALIFIED.
WE'VE GOT A SOLID, IT'S GOING TO BE GONE FOR SOME TIME.
MR. ROBERT BROWN, HE'S CURRENTLY A MEMBER OF THE ELECTRIC SERVICE BOARD.
HE WOULD LIKE TO BE REAPPOINTED.
HE HAS BEEN A VERY LOYAL FAITHFUL MEMBER.
SO YOU HAVE A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR.
SAY, WOW, I DON'T HAVE, MAY I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD? JACK DAMP.
DON'T MISS THE LATEST NIGHTMARE.
YOU HAVE ANY MISCELLANEOUS DONE.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN FIND WE'LL LET THE CITY MANAGER COME IN ORDER ALL THAT.
HE'S NOT IN ALL FLORISTS POSITION ANYWAY.
UH, I DO APPRECIATE THIS GOOD AT PRESTIGE MAYOR.
I'LL TRY NOT LET IT GO TO MY HEAD, BUT I HAVE THREE ITEMS THAT I HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD.
NUMBER ONE, RECENTLY WE READ IN THE NEWSPAPERS THAT, UH, HAS BEEN REQUESTED THAT 65 MILE
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AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT AND BE ENACTED ON US 70 FROM, UH, I GUESS BEFORE IT BEGINS TO BE A CONTROLLED ACCESS ALL THE WAY TO PEMBROKE EXIT THE POLICE CHIEF.AND I TALKED ABOUT IT AND I NOT DISCUSSED IT WITH DANNY, BUT UH, OUR FEELING IS THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT, EXCEPT THAT WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE NEED 65 MILES AN HOUR TO THE PEMBROKE EXIT.
AND BECAUSE ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE COMING UP AT 65 MILES AN HOUR.
IT AIN'T GOING TO COME INTO A ONE LANE BRIDGE UP IN THERE AND IT'S GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF THINGS.
WELL, I THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH CONGESTION IN THE CITY.
I THINK IF THEY STOP IT AT GLEN BURNIE, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I AGREE TO GET A MOTION THAT WE WOULD GO ON RECORD AS SUPPORTING THAT SO WE CAN NOTIFY DLT.
SO, SO SEC, NOT GLEN BURNIE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY, WELL, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE.
THE SECOND THING IS THE WORK SESSION IS SCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONDAY.
AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE MAKE IT TUESDAY.
MONDAY WILL BE A HOLIDAY MARTIN LUTHER KING'S BIRTHDAY.
I HAVE TO COME WITH PRESIDENT'S DAY.
I GUESS LAST THING TUESDAY, NOT NEXT WEEK.
THE LAST ITEM THAT I HAVE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE'VE HAD, I'M SURE ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE, MAYBE EVEN HAD CALLS ABOUT ELECTRIC BILLS ALREADY.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME VERY COLD WEATHER, MUCH COLDER THAN NORMA, MUCH COLDER THAN WE REALLY EXPECTED TO HAVE.
AND AS A RESULT, SOME GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
SOME BAD THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
THE GOOD THINGS ARE THAT THE CITY'S REVENUES AND ELECTRICITY ARE CERTAINLY A LOT HIGHER THAN WE WERE GOING TO EXPECT THEM TO BE AT THIS TIME.
NOW THE BAD PART IS THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING A LOT MORE FOR ELECTRICITY THAN THEY REALLY UH, WOULD BE EXPECTED TO AT THIS TIME.
SO WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE GO TO A RATE REBATE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE CITY'S ELECTRIC SYSTEM THAT, UH, FOR THE NEXT BILLING CYCLE, THE NEXT MONTH BILLING CYCLE, WE WOULD, UH, REBATE 10% ON THE ELECTRIC BILLS.
UH, THAT WILL BE GOING OUT STARTING TOMORROW.
DOES THAT MEAN I GET TO, YES SIR.
MY WIFE POINTED OUT THAT'S AN EXTRA $300 EASILY AS MEN, SURPRISINGLY SMALL.
SHE EASILY KEEPS THE TEMPERATURE DOWN, SHALL WE SAY? BUT EVEN, EVEN WITHOUT EFFORT, IT WAS QUITE, IT WAS PRETTY GOOD.
I GOT ONE MATTER FULL WE ADJOURN.
MR. MR. HARTMAN, COULD WE, UH, GET SOMEONE, SOMEONE FROM THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO UPDATE US ON THE STATUS OF THE RECREATION SURVEY? BECAUSE I HADN'T HEARD TOO MUCH ABOUT IT.
IT MAY HAVE ALREADY GONE BEFORE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF RECREATION AND WILL COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
PROBABLY NEXT MONTH I HAVE ONE RECREATION AND THEY CANCELED.
I'LL CHECK MY, I LIKE TO KNOW WHEN TO MEET AND JOE'S ON THE BOARD.
WE'VE GOT A BOARD MEMBER HERE.
UH, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, MAN HAS GOT SOMETHING.
I HAVE ONE ITEM ON MISCELLANEOUS.
WE HAD RECEIVED THE LETTER THAT WE SEE AT EVERY YEAR.
CEREMONIAL WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET ANYWHERE.
SO THAT'S THE PARADE DAY AND THEY'RE REQUESTING LITTLE 3:30 AM.