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SO NOW KEEP A WATCH RUNNING FAST.
CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER PRAYER ABOUT MR. REVEREND DAVID, BRUCE, I'M FOLLOWING, OR THE FURTHER WE HAVE TO CALL UPON YOU IN PRAYER.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE IN AMERICA FOR THIS NATION, GREAT LAKES THAT YOU ARE BLESSED, THAT YOU'RE BLESSED TO ABLE CONTINUE TO BE UPON.
NOW WE NEED YOUR WISDOM AND ALL OF THE SEASONS, WE NEED TO MAKE IT REFRESHING TO BLESS THESE MEN, AND WOMEN'S NOT AS, OR A GAP YEAR.
AND I PRAY THAT WISDOM OF WOMEN THIS WEEK.
WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR US.
ALL THAT YOU HAVE BLESSED US WITH TO CONTINUE TO GIVE GOD IN JESUS NAME.
AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT HERE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THE CHIEF AND I WERE IN DC.
AND IT WAS, UH, QUITE A TREAT THAT YOU SIT AT HOME AND WATCH THE OTHERS.
I THINK BARBARA DID A GOOD JOB.
AND ALSO, I LIKE TO LET YOU ALL KNOW BEFORE WE GET STARTED AND CHIEF WILL BE A WITNESS TO THIS THAT, UH, WE WERE SITTING WITH THAT THE BACK OF THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN, I GUESS IT WAS ROLLED DOWN AND THEY HAD US IN THESE STEEL CHAIRS, YOU KNOW, FOLD UP CHAIRS AND HE HAD TO LOCK HIS TOES UNDER THE GUY IN FRONT OF HIM AND SAY THAT I, BECAUSE IT FELT LIKE YOU WON'T, ALL OF US WILL GO BACKWARDS, WHICH WOULD HAVE PROBABLY MADE SOME SORT OF HISTORY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PROBABLY WHAT I WAS INVOLVED IN.
AND, UH, ONE OTHER THING FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SAW THE MOVIE, FORREST GUMP, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT.
MY WIFE WAS KIDDING ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, GOING TO THE WHITE HOUSE AFTER WE SAW THE FORREST GUMP MOVIE.
I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL THE NIGHT, BUT THE CHIEF CAN BE A WITNESS ALSO THAT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OR SO BEFORE THE PRESIDENT CAME OUT, I HAD TO GO BACK INTO THE WHITE HOUSE, JUST LIKE FORREST GUMP.
I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL AFTER, SO I GUESS OUR LIVES PARALLELED EACH OTHER MUCH MORE THAN I THOUGHT I'VE BEEN A PRETTY LUCKY FELLOW SO FAR.
SO ANYWAY, UH, YES, WE NEED TO CALL A ROAD.
OH, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
YOU KNOW, THINGS REALLY HAVE CHANGED, YOU KNOW, YOU LEAVE ONE TIME AND THE WHOLE THING IS GONE.
WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT DON'T FORWARD THIS CRAP? OKAY.
THAT WAS POINTED OUT JUST A FEW SECONDS AGO TO SOME OF US AT NUMBER FOUR ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT HAS BEEN DROPPED.
UH, THAT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REZONING ISSUE.
AND, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON IT, MR. UH, YES.
UH, THE PERSON WHO HAD PUT IN THAT REQUEST AS ACID, IT'D BE WITHDRAWN AS A RESULT OF THAT BOARD.
IF HE WISHES TO RE UH, ACTIVATE THAT REQUEST, HE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT HE DID, AND ORIGINALLY TO START WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.
SO THAT'S A DEAD ISSUE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO NUMBER THREE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO A MAN ARTICLE 17 QUOTE SIGNS HIM TO QUOTE SECTION 15 DAYS 3 27, TOTAL SIGN SURFACE AREA.
SO AS TO REGULATE SIGNAGE IN THE CONVERT AND THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE COMPANY IN OUT PARCELS.
SO I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION TO OPEN THE BUBBLE HERE IN EPISODE, YOU MIGHT ASK.
JUST BRIEF THE BOARD ON EXACTLY.
MIKE, TELL US WHAT THAT MEANS.
THE FIRST ONE DEALS WITH TOTAL SUN SURFACE AREA, WHAT WE HAVE RUN INTO AND WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH IN TWO OR THREE, UH, UPCOMING DEVELOPMENTS IN A SITUATION WHERE THE MAJOR, UH, ENTERPRISE IS SELLING OUT PARCELS AND THEREFORE HAS VERY
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LITTLE ACTUAL STREET FRONTAGE AND IS HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH PLACEMENT OF A SIGN FOR THAT REASON.SO THIS CHANGE WOULD BASICALLY TREAT THEM FOR PURPOSES OF BEING ABLE TO GET A SIGN ON THE STREET AS IF THEY FRONTED THE STREET.
IT GIVES THEM CREDIT SO THAT THEY ARE NOT STUCK WITH JUST A 12 SQUARE FOOT SIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO GO UP TO THE, UH, UH, SIZE OF 100 SQUARE FEET, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE, A LOT FRONTAGE THAT THEY HAVE.
MIKE W WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE EFFECT OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO, UH, ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND TO HELP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TRYING TO DEVELOP PROPERTY INTO A COMMERCIAL ENTITY? AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHAT IT DOES IS THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN EARLIER, PENALIZE SITUATIONS WHERE A DEVELOPER WANTED TO HAVE OUT PARCELS.
AND THIS WAY IT REALLY MEANS COURAGE IS OUT PARCEL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH FOR OUR, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, CUTS DOWN ON THE LINEAR STRETCHING OUT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND IT MAKES IT MORE COMPACT AND SHORT DISTANCES AND SO FORTH.
IT'S GOOD FOR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
PLUS IT, UH, IS A PLUS FOR DEVELOPER.
HE GETS MORE SIGNAGE AND IT'S MORE FAVORABLE TO BUSINESS.
MIKE, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
IT SAYS IT SHALL NOT EXCEED A SIGN SURFACE AREA OF 100 SQUARE FEET AND SHALL BE COUNTED AS PART OF THE OVERALL SIGNAGE.
YOU DON'T SEE ANY POTENTIAL PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THE, A PARTICULAR LOT SIZES WE'RE DEALING WITH, IF HE TAKES UP A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE, THAT'S A HUNDRED FOOT OF THE FEET OF FRONTAGE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT IS THE, UH, BUSINESS'S OPTION TO ALLOCATE THE SIGNAGE.
HOWEVER THEY WISH, UH, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, IN THAT FORM SINCE 1968, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT, BUT THE CHANGE IS COMING WITH ALLOWING WITH THE MAIN OCCUPANT WHO WAS BEHIND THESE OUT PARCELS AND HAVING A SANDWICH HAS NOT BEEN PART OF IT SINCE 1968.
AND TH THE THING THAT I SEE COMING BEFORE US AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN IN THE FUTURE IS THINK THE HAMPTON INN, FOR EXAMPLE, HAMPTON INN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THOSE OUT PARCELS AND PUT RESTAURANTS OR SOMETHING.
BUT IF THEY USE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET, HOW MANY FRONT FEET OF FRONTAGE DO THEY HANDLE, UM, BACK WHERE THEY'RE LAWDY AND IS WOW, HOW MUCH ARE THEY ALLOTTED SIGNAGE? NOW I'M JUST TRYING TO FORESEE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE.
SO JUST GET RID OF THE OLD, GET THERE.
IT COULD ACTUALLY ALLOW MORE SIGNAGE THAN, THAN THEY IN THEIR SITUATION HAVE NOW.
UH, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE USED UP THEIR SIGNAGE A LOT ALREADY WITH THEIR SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING.
A CERTAIN AMOUNT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON THE BUILDING ANY WAY THAT THAT THEY'LL WANT TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE TWO OUT PARCELS, IF A RESTAURANT COMES IN AND WANTS A NICE STANDARD FRANCHISE AUTHORIZED THE PROPER SIGN ON THE FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ALLOCATION LEFT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY ANY ALLOCATION FROM OUT PARCELS.
THEY ARE STILL CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
IT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THEM.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY I READ IT IS THAT WELL, IT SAYS NOW, OKAY.
WHAT IS SAYING HERE IS THAT YOUR FREESTANDING SIGN YOU HAVE OUT FRONT COMES OUT AS A PART OF YOUR OVERALL SIGN ALLOCATION FOR THAT BUSINESS, BUT IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE OUTPOST.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO LET THEM HAVE SIGNAGE FOR THE FULL FRONTAGE AND THEN TURN AROUND AND GET MORE SIGNAGE TO BE OUT PARCELS.
AS LONG AS THAT'S CLEARLY STATED IN HERE SO THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.
IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU INTERPRET IT, THAT'S FINE.
I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T WANT SOMETHING TO HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE.
IF WE CAN SOLVE THE RIGHT NOW IN ONE FELL SWOOP, HE HAD DONE WITH IT.
THIS, UH, THIS PROPOSAL WAS TO BE FRIENDLY OR TOWARD OUT PARCEL DEVELOPMENT.
THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WAS VERY STRICT AND, UH, RESTRICTED FOR OUR PARCELS.
AND THIS SORT OF OPENS IT UP MORE FOR THOSE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS, AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF SIGNERS THAT COULD BE ALLOWED.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON IT AND BE CLOSED OVER THE ORDINANCE? PAY THAT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION CALL THE ROLL, UH, STAY
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STRANGE.SO FIVE IS ATHLETE DISCUSSION, CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF PARADE AND PICK IT PERMITS.
SO HOW DO WE START THIS OFF WITH A T G G PLEASE COME FORWARD.
WHAT BROUGHT THIS ABOUT WAS, UH, MR. HARPER, UH, REQUESTING THE 72 HOURS.
THAT'S CURRENTLY THE WAITING PERIOD FOR PERMITS TO BE CHANGED.
HE SAYS, GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO GO OUT AND PICK IT UP IMMEDIATELY WHEN HE HAS A PROBLEM REQUEST.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE 72 HOURS ON THE CAUSE OF THE, THE NEED THAT I HAVE FOR ANY INDIVIDUALS THAT COME IN AND WANT TO GIVE US TIME TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER.
AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE CAN'T JUST LOOK AT, UH, AT MR. HARPER.
AND, UH, IF ANOTHER GROUP WANTS TO COME IN AND MAYBE THEY HAD A FINCH FOR VIOLENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT DOESN'T GIVE US ENOUGH TIME.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A 72 HOURS AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT CASES IN DIFFERENT CITIES, THEY BASICALLY LOOK AT THE CONTINUITY OF HOW YOU STUDENTS.
AND SO I THINK IF WE KEEP IT AS A CONSTANT FOR EVERYONE, THEN IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FOR US TO THE, WHERE WE HAVE TO GO TO COURT.
AND 72 HOURS IS ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO GET TOGETHER.
IF WE HAVE TO, WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND GET A CONTINGENCY PLAN, IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE MEMO THAT I SENT TO THE MANAGER, WE POLLED MOST OF THE CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT VARIES FROM RALEIGH HAS A ONE DAY WAITING PERIOD ON THE TICKET TO GET UP TO HAS 14 DAYS STRAIGHT OR UP.
THIS IS ONLY AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT 30 DAYS.
SO THE 72 HOURS IS NOT UNREASONABLE TIME.
LET ME ASK THIS, HOW MANY OF THESE TOWNS HAVE FEDERAL COURTHOUSES? THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES I'M JUST SAYING THIS AND MORE VOLATILE CASES MAY BE INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, ON A MORE NATIONAL ISSUE.
I KNOW FAYETTEVILLE DOES, AND THAT SORT OF AN APPLICATION LAYER, SOME OF THOSE, BUT WE'RE LOSING THE FEDERAL COURT NOW.
NO, WE'RE NOT, NOT COMPLETE, NOT COMPLETELY PART OF IT HERE, BUT NOT.
I TRY TO LOOK AT ALL THE GROUPS THAT MAY POSSIBLY IN THE CITY.
AND THAT'S HOW I TRY TO LOOK AT IT AS IN WORST CASE SCENARIO, UH, THE, UH, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF PROBLEMS THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD WITH THE ACT TRIAL.
AND, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND HERE HAD A PLAN TRIAL OR PLAN MARCHES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
UH, THE 72 HOURS, IT GIVES ME TIME TO CALL SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT THEY HELP EACH OTHER AND GET THE PLAN TOGETHER.
BASICALLY GIVES US WHEN DID WE PUT THE SAME? WHEN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE, THIS WAS LAST YEAR, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEFORE WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM.
I DON'T SAY, WELL, YOU DON'T SEE WHY, WHAT WE DON'T GO BACK TO ONE DAY.
WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE'LL LEAVE A PROBLEM FOR YOU TO BELIEVE WE LACK IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE PROBLEM MY PROBLEM WITH NEVER MATERIAL, BUT IT COULD HAVE, IT COULD HAVE MATERIALIZED, BUT IT DID.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
NOW, HERE WE DO WHAT REALLY ONLY YOU WANT THE TRUTH AND I'LL SAY, WELL, HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEFORE WE CHANGED.
AND I WON'T SAY WE DON'T GO BY, I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH IT.
LET ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH.
AND I'M GOOD AND I'M SURE HE WANTS TO HAVE IT, BUT, BUT DOES IT, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE POLICE CHIEF HAVE ANY WAY TO GET ONTO IT? SHOULD THAT'S HIS JOB? I MAY SAY THIS A LITTLE BIT LATER.
THE CITIZENS HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHT, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, REALLY MY FIRST REACTION, ISN'T A MAN OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT HE WANTS WHEN HE WANTS TO
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BASICALLY WHERE HE WANTS TO.BUT, UH, THEN YOU SEE ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE SPENDING A COUPLE OF DAYS WITH THE CHIEF GOING UP TO DC AND BACK, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS.
AND WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR THING ABOUT THE PARADE AND PICKET PERMIT THING, BUT JUST THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HIS JOB AND THE PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC AND THE CASE OF SOME OF THOSE, UH, THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN IS, IS A, IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I BECAME AWARE OF THAT.
AND I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME PERSONALLY KNOW THAT I'M AN ADVOCATE OF FREE SPEECH.
I THINK IF BILL HARPER WANTS TO TAKE A SIGN TONIGHT AND WALK UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK, HE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT WELL.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY I FAILED, BUT BY THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN IS SOMEHOW WE GOT TO BE SMART ENOUGH TO PUT THIS THING TOGETHER.
SO DID THE CHIEF AND GET WHAT HE NEEDS WITHOUT ANY SORT OF DISCRIMINATION, IF IT'S POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM SOMETHING THAT MAY, THEY MAY COME ABOUT IN A, IN A, IN A MANNER THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT HE MAY BE FACING HIM AND WE'RE LOOKING TO HANDLE PROTECT US ALL TOMORROW MORNING.
THE OTHER THING THAT DIANE SAY IS IT SAYS PARADE SLASH PICKET.
AND TO ME A PARADE, I GUESS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND THE, IT IS KIND OF A GUY VISUALIZE WALKING UP AND DOWN THE SIDE, WALK WITH THE SIDE.
I MEAN, IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN SEPARATE THAT OUT? OR DO YOU SEE AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, SOME WAY THAT, UH, THAT SOMEBODY COULD, COULD EVADE OUR REQUIREMENT, THAT THEY TAKE LONGER FOR SOMEBODY AT THE TIME, THE STREET, IF YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING IN THE PICKET, OR WOULD YOU STILL BE IN THE SAME PROBLEM? I THINK THE ONLY EXAMPLE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT COMES TO MIND IS THE PROBLEM WITH CHARLOTTE AND SOME OF THE OTHER MAJOR CITIES YOU'VE HAD WITH THE OPERATING RECORD USE.
THAT'S I JUST, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYBODY, WHATEVER WE DO, WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF BILL WANTS TO PICK IT, PICK IT, OR WHOEVER WANTS TO PICK IT, THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT.
AND I THINK THE 72 HOURS GIVES ME THE TIME TO BE CONSISTENT, NO MATTER WHAT COMES, I'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT.
HE'S HAD THE LAKE, BUT HE'S ALWAYS GOTTEN MITZI.
WELL, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN IS, UH, I DON'T WANT TO SAY, WELL, IT'S, IT'S GOOD OLD BILL.
LET'S GIVE HIM ONE IN 24 HOURS AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE LET'S MAKE THEM WAIT A WEEK.
OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.
UH, THE FULL CASES HAVE SHOWN THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE MAIN THINGS THAT YOU'LL HAVE IS THE CONSISTENCY OF HOW YOU TREAT EVERYONE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW, PURPORTING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD IN ONE DAY PEOPLE WE DON'T LIKE THE PAST THREE DAYS, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE ESQUIRES WELL, IT SAYS ID WARD, BUT I CAN'T GET YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND THAT YOU HAVE TO BE REASONABLE AND YOU HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT IN THE WAY YOU APPLY THESE APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER HERE IS NOT MR. HARPER'S PICKETING, IT'S ONE PERSON WITH A SIGN, BUT IT WAS A CONTROVERSIAL TYPE SUBJECT WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE POLICE TO PROTECT MR. HARPER BECAUSE OF THE PROTESTORS FOR HIS PICKET.
SO IT WAS NOT JUST THE NUMBER OF PICKETERS.
IT'S ALSO THE CONTROVERSY THAT THE PIG ITSELF MAY ENTAIL.
AND, AND YOU MAY NEED SOMEONE TO PROTECT YOUR PICKET, OR SHE DON'T KNOW YOU'VE HAD THE KLU KLUX, KLAN, PICKETING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME PROTECTION.
IT'S JUST NOT THE PERSON WHO'S APPLYING FOR THEIR TICKET.
IT'S INDIVIDUALS THAT COME OUT AND RESPOND TO THIS.
THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY NOT A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
YOU KNOW, I, I RESPECT MR. HOPPER'S RIGHT TO PICK IT, BUT WE DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BE DWELLING ON THIS BECAUSE IT REALLY IS USING A LOT OF CREATIVE ENERGIES THAT WE COULD BE SPENDING ON.
OTHER THINGS LIKE ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO LEAVE THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE.
WELL, YEAH, HE GETS TO SPEAK FIRST AND THEN HE CAN SPEAK.
BUT THAT'S WHY I LET HIM FIRST.
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PICKING THE MOUNTAIN, GET RID OF THE CHIEF THREE DAYS TO DO IT.
LOOK, THERE'S A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE IN BRAZING PICTURES.
I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THERE'S A LAW THAT CAN STOP ME FROM PROTESTING.
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IT PEACEFUL, I DON'T LEAVE.I HAVE NEVER CREATED ANY TROUBLE IN MY PROTEST.
THERE'S THINGS THAT A POOR MAN FILLED WITH FM.
WELL, THAT HAS SOME INFORMATION THAT HAS NO OTHER WAY, BUT LET THE PUBLIC KNOW TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN THEY'RE BEING RIPPED OFF.
OTHER THAN THE WAY THAT I DO RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A MAJOR ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC GUY.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR ME TO HAVE TO SPEND THREE DAYS 72 HOURS WAITING TO TELL THE PEOPLE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT NOBODY ATTACKING ME BECAUSE I'M PREPARED TO DEFEND MYSELF.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR THOUGHTS.
I STILL SAY THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN A PARADE AND A PICKET TICKET SHOULD NOT BE.
IT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT NO MORE THAN A DAY.
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE TO WAIT A DAY IN SOME THINGS IF IT'S NECESSARY, UNLESS IT'S, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I WENT TO ROB THE OTHER DAY AND PICKETED WITHOUT A CURB IN FRONT OF THE GOVERNOR'S HOUSE.
AND IT DIDN'T NEED MOUNTAIN, BUT THEY RECOGNIZED WHAT A PEACEFUL GROUP DENEEN FILE FOR A PERMIT.
WE'VE BEEN TO WASHINGTON DC AND PICK IT UP IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
WHY DO THE WORLD IS SO SPECIAL ABOUT THE NEWBORN AND CRAVEN COUNTY? SOMEBODY'S HOME.
AND MY TAX PAYING NEIGHBORS TOO, THAT ARE WANTING TO MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
I WOULD LIKE TO ON LYNN REQUEST THAT YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT I PLEADED ABOUT IN HERE, SITTING ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW, HOLDING IN THIS BILL THAT REMEMBERS WHEN WE HAD A ROCK AND FRANKLIN COUNTY OVER SOMEBODY TO PROTEST.
JUST ONE TIME WHEN IT WENT SINCE THE SIXTIES, THIS IS 30 YEARS, 30 YEARS.
WHY IS CRAVEN COUNTY SO PROTECTED? WHY, WHY DOES EVERYBODY NEED THAT INSTALLATION? BUT THE FELLA THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, I KNOW OF A CASE MISS UP, EXCUSE ME.
TODAY, CAN WE, CAN WE MAKE A SUGGESTION? MAYBE GO TO TWO DAYS SO WE CAN CUT.
WHAT'D YOU TAKE TWO DAYS OF A COMPROMISE BECAUSE TWO DAYS LET'S TAKE ONE DAY, TWO DAYS, TWO DAYS, TWO DAYS, LET'S TAKE ONE, TWO OR THREE.
LIKE THE SUGGESTED
YOU NEED TO GO TWO DAYS, EITHER MAD AT CONVERSATION BECAUSE CAN YOU, CAN WE LEGALLY DO THAT SEPARATE BRAID AND PICK IT? YEAH.
WILL SAY THIS THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I GAVE YOU A PROBLEM TWO DAYS ME AND LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS ALSO.
WHAT, UH, SEE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE IS BAIL HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, HE HAS GRIEF AND SO FORTH.
HASN'T GIVEN ANY PROBLEMS OTHER THAN A FEW HEADACHES, BUT WE CAN TAKE ASPIRIN FOR THAT.
BUT I MEAN, AND IT IS THE DILEMMA, YOU KNOW, THEY TRY TO PROTECT THE, EVERYBODY IS A HOLE AND KEY AND LET THE INDIVIDUAL AVERAGE LABOR, MAN, I FULLY BELIEVE IN THAT.
BUT WHAT IF WE USED AS THE CHIEF STILL DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM THAT YOU CAN LAND, WHETHER IT WAS SEPARATED, PARADES AND PACKETS, BECAUSE PARADES DO COMMAND.
YOU KNOW, IT TAKES UP THE STREET.
YOU GOTTA HAVE PEOPLE BLOCKED OFF AND AND THEN HE HAS TO MAKE THE ESTIMATE PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENTS, TOO.
I MEAN, YOU GOT PEOPLE CAN GO TO WORK ONE TIME AND GET OFF ANOTHER TIME.
AND HE HAS TO MAKE PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENTS.
WHEN PEOPLE HAVE, WHEN THESE BIG FORAYS, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
SEE, WHO WANTS TO WORK ALL THE TIME? BRAY VS.
PICKY ABOUT MAYBE AUDIT THE FILE.
I'LL TAKE IT IN AND SEE, WHAT IS, IS THERE A LEGAL DEFINITION OF A PIGLET? CAN WE LIMIT IT TO NOT TO EXCEED SO MANY PEOPLE AND THEN HAVE A SHORT, SHORTER TIME? AND THEN IF THERE'S MORE PEOPLE IN THAT HAVE A LONGER TIME,
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ATTACHED TO IT.IF YOU GOT
I MEAN, IT'S NEVER, NOW THEY KNOW IT'S A, WHAT LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, THE CLIENT OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WON'T PUMP LISTEN DOES A POPPY AND OVERNIGHT THEY MAKE A BIG SPECTACLE OF IT.
SO EVERYBODY'S HERE AND THAT GIVES US PLENTY OF TIME.
IT'S LIKE AZT TRIALS, WHICH HAS SAID, WHICH IS WHAT SET THIS WHOLE THING OFF IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHEN YOU WILLING TO ADVANCE IT WAS COMING WELL IN ADVANCE.
NOBODY HAD FILED FOR, I WOULD AGREE THAT.
AND OF COURSE I SAID THE TWO DAYS AND ROB ALSO IS IT POSSIBLE? AND I DIRECT THIS ALSO TO THE CITY MANAGER THAT, AND OF COURSE YOU ASKED THE WORD FOR PICKET, COULD WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON THIS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS? AND THEN LET'S DO THIS IN A WORK SESSION.
CAUSE SEE, WE GOING TO THROW AROUND SOME NUMBERS, HOW MANY YOU CAN HAVE HERE, HOW MANY YOU CAN'T HAVE THEN THE CHIEF NEEDS SOME INPUT.
AND I THINK IT'S THE THING WHERE WE NEED TO SIT AROUND A TABLE AND DO THIS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO AN TO HERE TONIGHT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THEN WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME OTHER INFORMATION FOR OTHER CITIES THROUGH THE CHIEF IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR PICKET OR THIS IS IN TERMS OF 10 PEOPLE, 20 PEOPLE, AND HOW MANY DAYS THAT ARE DONE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THIS ISSUE REALLY AIN'T WORTH MESSING WITH IT'S NOT WORTH MESSING WITH RIGHT HERE.
AND WHAT ELSE? THE DAY WITH THROWS WHILE WE CAN'T GET NOTHING DONE WASTING TIME, JOE, GIVE UP AMBER THAT GAMBLE POST YOU GO HOME SICK.
I'M SICK OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU COMING DOWN HERE WASTING MY TIME.
NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE WITH THE GAP.
Y'ALL VSP, RIGHT? BUT THIS IS STUFF.
MY TIME IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS.
SO THEREFORE WE WILL DISCUSS IT.
WASN'T ON THE AGENDA THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE, WOULD NOT DISCUSS IT.
THE SECOND THING IS, AND IT MAY BE FRIVOLOUS IN, IN, IN ONE SENSE AND, AND YOU, AND I AGREE ON A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS AND, AND WE'RE PERSONAL FRIENDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I WANT THE PUBLIC SAFETY OBVIOUSLY TO BE PARAMOUNT, BUT I'M STILL ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT BELIEVED IN THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND WHAT THEY MEANT AND, AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE HAD A RIGHT TO SPEAK AND NO ONE HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK AND WHERE THEY CAN SPEAK AND ALL THAT.
AND THEY WERE VERY, VERY NARROW ABOUT WHERE YOU COULDN'T SPEAK AND WHEN YOU DIDN'T SPEAK.
AND THE THING THAT I WANT TO DO, THEN I'VE MADE THIS COMMENT MANY TIMES, THOSE OF US WHO ARE IN A POSITION TO PASS A LAW, EVEN US HALDEMAN AND MAYORS ALL THE WAY UP TO PRESIDENTS OR WHATNOT, OR MAYBE NOT PRESIDENTS, BUT CONGRESS LEGISLATURES HAVE TO MAKE VERY SURE THAT WE DON'T, UH, TAKE AWAY LIBERTY IN THE, IN THE ACT OF, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH DEFENSE.
SO TO ME, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHILE WE DO IS THE RIGHT THING AND THE RIGHT THING FOR EVERYBODY CONCERNED, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT WE SAID IS THE LIMITS ON HIM OR INDEED THE LIMITS ON OURSELVES AND IT LIMITS ON EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND SO I JUST THINK THAT IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT OFF TO A WORK SESSION AND LET'S DISCUSS IT SOME MORE LIKE THE LEGAL COUNSEL AND TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS SPLITTING IT UP BETWEEN A PARADE, DEFINE WHAT A PICK IT IS, DEFINE WHAT A PARADE IS, SEE WHY WE CAN DO WITH THE CHIEF, THAT HE CAN BE COMFORTABLE, THAT HE CAN PROTECT US IN CASE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN FINE, BUT WE DO NEED TO RESOLVE IT.
AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO RESOLVE IT WHEN WE DO IN FAVOR OF PEACEFUL PIGGING, LET'S PUT IT ON THE FIRST WORK SESSION, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN DO IT IN THAT MANNER.
BUT, AND I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TIME SO THAT WE DO IT IN THE MANNER THAT WE DO IT PROPERLY AND LET HIM BE.
I WOULD FEEL TERRIBLE IF WE, IF WE, IF WE WILL, IF WE WENT WRONG IN EITHER DIRECTION, TAKE AWAY A MAN'S FREEDOM TO SPEAK IS NOT WITHIN MY POWER.
THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO DO THAT.
BY THE SAME TOKEN, I AM SALTA EMPOWERED OR IT WAS VOTED IN TO HELP TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE TO TAKE THE WORD OF THE EXPERTS AND THE OTHERS TO GIVE ME ADVICE, GIVE US ADVICE.
SO, UH, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THIS THINGS THE MORE I MADE SURE WE DO THE RIGHT THING AND AMERICA AND MR. HARPER BE INVITED TO BE INVITED TO THAT MEETING.
ALSO WANT TO INVITE HIM TO THE MEETING.
ALSO WHEN WE THAT'LL BE FINE, YOU CAN BE, YOU CAN COME TO THE WORK SESSION, WE'LL SIT DOWN, WE'LL HASH IT OUT.
BUT I MAY, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO KEEP YOU
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FROM BEING ABLE TO SPEAK.WE GOT A SYSTEM HERE THAT WHEN I PRESS THE BUTTON, YOU KNOW, I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOTGUN MATCH.
SO WHEN THEY ALL GET THROUGH, I'D LIKE TO THINK SPEAK WELL, MAX, I THINK THIS COULD BE THE TIME FOR SURE.
MY COMMENTS ARE NOT DIRECTED AT BILL OR ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR, JUST THE SITUATION WHICH FACES US IN THIS INSTANCE, AS IT HAS IN OTHERS, WE ARE CHARGED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SETTING THE RULES AND GUIDELINES BY WHICH THE CITIES WILL BE OPERATED IN A LEGAL AND RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT COULD PRESENT THEM, BECOME A PROBLEM.
BRAIDS AND PICKETS COULD BECOME A PROBLEM.
SO IT CAN'T BE JUST DUSTED OFF BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO US BEFORE, WHEN IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE MIGHT NEED AN ORDINANCE CONTROLLING ADULT BUSINESSES AND IT WAS NEVER ACTED UPON.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE LIGHTLY.
WE FIND OURSELVES IN A BIND AT THE LAST MEETING AND WE NOW HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE CITY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.
HAD WE TAKEN OUR RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY IN TRYING TO, TO SET THE RULES AND REGULATIONS GOVERNING THIS TOWN SO THAT THEY ARE FAIR, BUT THEY PROTECT THE CITIZENS AND GIVE THEM THE RIGHTS THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING OF.
AND IT, IT BOTHERS ME THAT WE COME UP AGAINST SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THE ATTITUDE IS WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.
WHY WORRY ABOUT IT? WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH ADULT BUSINESSES AND WE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT SOON ENOUGH.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS NOW.
AND I DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THERE IS A PROBLEM.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AT THE LAST MINUTE, RUNNING AROUND LIKE CHICKENS WITH OUR HEADS CUT OFF.
SO I THINK THIS SITUATION IS SOMETHING OF A DEGREE OF SERIOUSNESS THAT DESERVES OUR CONSIDERATION AND NOT JUST A DUST AT ALL.
LIKE IT DOESN'T EXIST OR LIKE IT IS NOT IMPORTANT AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE DAY, TWO DAYS, THREE DAYS OR ANY DAYS.
BUT I THINK IT IS A SITUATION THAT AT SOME POINT COULD BLINDSIDE US UNLESS WE ADDRESS IT AS IT IS AN ISSUE THAT COULD BECOME SERIOUS VERY EASILY.
IT CAN BECOME SERIOUS AND HAS AS THE CHIEF CONTINUE.
AND AS ANYBODY IN THE MEDIA CAN TELL YOU HAS BECOME SERIOUS IN OTHER TOWNS.
SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE, TWO OR THREE DAYS.
I'M NOT TAKING BILL'S POSITION OR OPPOSING.
AND I'M SIMPLY SAYING WE GOT TO TAKE THINGS LIKE THIS SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY FIRST COME UP TO AVOID BEING BLINDSIDED.
LIKE WE HAVE BEEN RECENTLY THE LAST WHILE.
DID WE NOT? I MEAN, DO YOU AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO WORK? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GOT MY ANTENNAS ON.
I MOVE TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR NUMBER SEVEN.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AGENDA MINUS NUMBER SEVEN, I GUESS YOU CALLED ROLL ON WHAT IS THAT? 606 AND EIGHT.
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
NUMBER SEVEN, SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION.
HE'S GOING TO PUT A SIGN UP, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I HAVE TO DO.
YOU CAN PUSH IT IF YOU'D LIKE OR NOT.
I LIKE THE GENERAL CONVERSATION AND UNTIL IT GETS OUT OF HAND, BUT I MEAN, BECAUSE ONE THING IS I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING VERY WELL TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
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SAW THIS THING ON SNL, NO, NOT MORE MONEY FOR GOD.AND I'M STILL GETTING THESE LETTERS BACK AND FORTH.
AREN'T YOU? I DON'T HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE ARE GETTING MONEY AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
SO I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND UH, WOULD YOU MIND FILLING US THE REST OF THEM IN? AND ONCE YOU TOLD ME ABOUT THIS, THIS IS AN APPROPRIATION BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THAT'S DONE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
UH, THE MONEY IS APPROPRIATED ROUGHLY $50,000 FOR EVERY COG IN THE STATE.
AND UH, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET THE MONEY, EACH PARTICIPATING MUNICIPALITY AND COUNTY MUST ADOPT A RESOLUTION OF THIS TYPE OR THEIR PARTICULAR PER CAPITA SHARE OF THE FUNDS.
IF THE, FOR INSTANCE, WE DID NOT ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, THE MONEY WOULD NOT COME TO OUR, OUR AREA.
IT WOULD RE BE RESCINDED BACK INTO THE STATE TREASURY, UH, FOR REAPPROPRIATION THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO, UH, IT'S UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE DONE HERE IS THAT MONEY WOULD NOT COME INTO THE AREA OF MONEY WOULD STAY IN RALEIGH, UH, WHERE MONEY FROM RALEIGH WOULD BE FLOWING TO EVERYONE ELSE AND LIKE AMOUNTS.
SO IT'S, IT, IT HAS NO ADVANTAGE TO US UNLESS YOU WERE REALLY WANTING TO MAKE A STATEMENT AT SOME TIME WOULD WANT BE MEAN TO, UH, IF THEY WANT TO THERE'S A, THERE MAY BE A POLITICAL, THERE MAY BE A POLITICAL OR A, UH, STATEMENT TO BE MADE BY NOT DOING IT, BUT IT WOULD NOT BENEFIT THE CITY OR HURT US TO APPROVE OR DENY THIS REQUEST.
AS FAR AS OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION IS CONCERNED, THE MONEY DOESN'T COME FROM US AND WE DON'T GET THE MONEY IF WE DON'T DO IT, BUT IT COULDN'T BE THIS REGION, THIS REGION, UM, LET ME FINISH MY, I WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, I WAS AGAINST CONTINUING TO BE A MEMBER OF THE CUP, BUT THIS BOARD SAW FIT TO CONTINUE ITS MEMBERSHIP.
NOW, AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, I FEEL LIKE IF THIS IS PART OF WHAT IS THIS YEAR'S OBLIGATION THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE WITH OUR OBLIGATION.
SINCE WE HAVE ALREADY VOTED TO CONTINUE WITH THE COG NEW SHIFT.
NOW WHAT GOES ON NEXT YEAR IS GONNA BE A WHOLE NOTHER STORY.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEELING BEHIND THIS.
WHAT DID, DID WE MAKE A MOTION SECOND? OKAY.
I WAS OUT OF SPACE THERE FOR A SECOND, BUT I'VE LANDED AGAIN.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE KOSHER, BUT WHATEVER.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO JUST SAY THAT I BID ON SOME EQUIPMENT THAT THE COG WAS SELLING A FEW WEEKS AGO.
ABOUT A MONTH AGO, I RECOGNIZED.
AND, UM, MY BID WAS THE HIGHEST BID AND HAVE RECEIVED TWO OR THREE ITEMS AT THIS POINT.
AND THE OTHER ITEM IS JUST KIND OF OKAY.
BUT THE POINT IS MY POINT HERE IS THAT IN ALL THIS DEALING WITH PARIS TRIPS AND THE PHONE CALLS, I'VE TALKED TO VARIOUS PEOPLE OUT THERE, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MANY OF THEM ARE TELLING ME THAT THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF SERIOUS PROBLEMS AND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSE CLEANING NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE ON THE BOARD UP THERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS A FACT AND THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND TIRED OF SEEING GOOD MONEY GO AFTER BAD.
SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THAT'S NOT MY PRIMARY ISSUE.
UM, I'M ON A FOUR NOW QUITE AWARE THAT THERE'S A FEW PROBLEMS. I'M PROUD OF.
THEY'RE SERIOUS AND THEY HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND, UM, JUST A MONTH AGO WE TOOK STEPS TOWARDS CORRECTING IT.
SO WE JUST BEG YOUR INDULGENCE, GIVE US A LITTLE TIME.
THAT WAS WAY APPROPRIATELY FOR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TO SAY, OF COURSE, TO, TO LEGISLATE TO SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, DON'T GIVE AN APPROPRIATION.
DOES SHE SAY ANYONE THEN IF WANT TO GO FOR THAT, I WOULDN'T PICK TOGETHER JUST BEING ME.
BUT IF YOU GO TO, THEY'VE ALREADY APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS, THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO ALL COGS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO EXCEPT TO SEND IT BACK.
AND IT JUST MIGHT DO SOMETHING POSITIVE.
IT'S ONLY LIKE TALKING ABOUT $1,500.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS, THIS IS $1,500.
IF YOU RATHER TO SEND BACK TO THE STATE TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO OTHER CARDS, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE MEAN TO ME.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE, I MEAN, IF YOU WOULD JUST LET US KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT LOOK AT THIS.
THERE IS THE REPORTS, THE INVESTIGATION THAT WAS DONE.
YOU MENTIONED THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN THE NORTH COUNTY AS BEING SOMEHOW INVOLVED IN THIS, IN THIS COMPUTER BOND WITH MONEY IN THE COG WAS APPROPRIATED BY COMPUTERS, UH, FAR.
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CORPORATIONS THAT THEY SET UP OR WHATEVER.NOW THIS MAN IS STILL SITTING ON THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONS OVER THERE.
THIS STUFF IS NOT BOTH THE LIGHT.
DEMAND WAS ALREADY THE REST OF THE YEAR, BOTH WITH CHILD MOLESTER AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
AND THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THE MONEY MIGHT GO BACK TO RALEIGH, BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.
BUT LISTEN, THIS IS A LEARN COUNTY AGENCY.
AND THEY'RE ALL PROBLEMS THEY'VE BEEN.
THIS IS ABC HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR 25 YEARS AND IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME WITHOUT SO MUCH SECOND LOOK AT IT.
NOW WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND WORKING ON IT.
NOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND I WOULD LIKE YOU, IF WE COULD GO CLOSE THE DOOR, SAY EVERYBODY GO HOME AND START OVER.
BUT IT HAPPENED VERY POSITIVE THINGS IN THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN POSITIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS WELL.
AND SO I'M SAYING THAT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF NOW, NOW IN NEXT YEAR'S APPROPRIATION FROM THE LEGISLATURES, THE NEW SORT OF COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT IMPROVED IN ANY WAY.
I'D SAY LESS THAN I JOINED THEM.
LET'S NOT GIVE THEM ANYTHING, BUT RIGHT NOW MOVE, OKAY.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS SINCE IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
NOW ALMOST WE'LL TRY TO HELP YOU OUT GET SOME GLASSES OR SOMETHING
AND THEY WERE ALL, SOME POSITIVE THINGS GOING ON.
SO WE DID BUDGET AS MUCH AS YOU WERE READY TO BUY US A BUDGET BY THE STATE.
WE'RE JUST APPROVING THE STATE SMITH.
AND I HAVE NEVER, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTIME.
I AM A BOARD OF NEWSREEL FOR GOVERNOR HAS BEEN A PROBLEM JUST LIKE I HAD DONE A CALL FROM THE PHONE UP AND BOOM, BUT I THINK THE BOY HAVE HAD A RUDE AWAKENING BECAUSE WE STAYED UP THERE AND HE GOT
I KNOW WE SPENT EIGHT HOURS UP THERE AND IT WAS PROBABLY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT WANT THE PROBLEM TOO, BUT WE DID GET A FIXED HEAD.
THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO FIX THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WAS THE DIRECTOR.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIKE A BALL TEAM FOR THE TEAM THAT LOSES EVERY GAME.
NO ONE WAS GOING TO GET RID OF THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET WITH THE TEAM, BUT THIS PRO HAD BEEN POSITIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND OF THE NINE COUNTY AREA.
IT DID A LOT OF GOOD, EVEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT THE HOSPITAL AND AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
AND I COULD GO ON AND ON WALK FOR YOUR WATER POWER GOING ON IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
THIS IS SET UP IN HIS HEAD, NINE CONDOMS AND HAVE CITY IN TOWN ALTOGETHER, NOT SIX DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL DESK.
SIT AT THE TIME IS INVOLVED IN COUNCIL GUN IN HIS HEAD.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE EVEN HELPED THE DOWNTOWN AND DEFINITELY CAUSED ME TO MARRY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE THAT'S IN THE PROGRAM.
THEN WE WOULD TAKE A DRESS THAT I ASKED HIM TO KILL THE PROBLEM WITH ATTEMPTING SO MANY PEOPLE.
I CAN'T SEE IT FOR THE LIFE OF ME.
I'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF ELDERS AND SOME, SOME OF THEM ARE VULGAR TOO.
I WANT TO STAND UP FOR WHAT'S RIGHT.
AND I WILL STAND UP NO MATTER WHERE I WALK THE WALK, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE KNEW HAPPENED TO PEOPLE.
YOU AUTOMATICALLY TEST TO ME BECAUSE YOU HAVE
YOU HAVE NOW A FRIEND AND HAVING MY FRIEND, YOU HAVEN'T SAID A NEW ONE, WHICH I'M VERY PROUD OF.
AND I WANT SOMETHING POSITIVE, HAVING A NEW, I BELIEVE THE BOARD, SOMETHING POSITIVE BECAUSE WE DID HAVE MAJORITY VOTING TO REMAIN IN THE NUTRIENT COST OF GOVERNMENT.
NOW I'M NOT GOING TO STAND HERE AND SAY, THERE'S NOT PROBLEM.
NOW YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL DIP WAS IN THE OLD SCHOOL.
IT ALL CHAIN AND SO GOOD FREE FROM, I GET A LOT OF MAIL FROM DIFFERENT ONES ABOUT WHAT GOING ON AND WHY THEY DON'T LIKE
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT OUT NOW, NOW CHERRY POINT AT THE SAME PROBLEM DOWN THERE, BUT TO SAY
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TO GIVE THIS ORGANIZATION CHECK.I NEED THE BOARD HAVE HAD A RUDE AWAKENING.
WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT AND SAW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAW, SOME OF THE CORRECTION.
NO, THEY DIDN'T PRINT SOME OF THE CORRECTION THAT READ AS A BOY, BUT THEY DID PRINT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN DONE, BUT THERE WAS A CORRECTION TO THESE PROBLEMS. SO I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO SAY SO WE'VE CONTINUED TO HELP THE PEOPLE.
IF YOU'RE HAVING A QUESTION, I'D BE GLAD AS ANNOUNCING, MAY I CALL IT A QUESTION ON THE MOTION? I FORGOT WHAT THE MOTION, UM, THE MOTION WAS TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, UH, RELEASING THE FUNDS.
WE READY TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION? NO, NO.
IT'S DONE WITH, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO PLAY YOU UNDERSTOOD.
I DO THIS EVERY YEAR ON THE WAY I'LL GET SO UPSET.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE IT ALONG.
I MAY NOT NEVER HAVE BLAMED CONTENT TO STILL DON'T BELIEVE.
AND I STILL GET LETTERS ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE IT IS AND NOT READ THE SUN JOURNAL WHERE THEY'RE STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION AND POSSIBLY GO.
I NOT, I THINK IT'S ONE TO BE BETTER OFF A RALEIGH MIGHT BE SOME FACTS.
A THIRD OF THE OWNERS WERE SAYING SHIT, UH, THAT'S THE BEST
WELL, IF SOMEBODY, ALL THIS IS GOING TO COME FORTH AND TO SORT OF RESTATE THE MISSION STATEMENT, IF THERE IS A SHOULD THE COG AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND HOW IT'S ACCOMPLISHING IT AND HOW IT'S CHANGED DIRECTION OR WHATEVER IT'S DONE.
AND ALL OF THIS SUCH THAT IS NOW BEING ACCOMPLISHED SOUND AT ALL.
EVERY TIME AS IS MENTIONED ON THIS BOARD, IT ALWAYS CREATES MY ROLE AND I'M IN TOTAL CONFUSION AMONG OTHER THINGS.
BUT I MEAN, WHO WOULD BE A VEHICLE FOR DOING THAT? IS IT SOMEBODY ON THE COG OR IS IT SOMEBODY UP THE LADDER? THEY COULD COME OUT HERE AND EXPLAIN ALL THIS AND WHAT'S BEING DONE OR SOMEONE CAN, IF WE REQUEST THAT NOW, BUT THIS ONE OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS MORE THAN ARE MORE OR LESS RUNNING THE AGENCY.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER AFTER WE RESPONDED TO AUDIT REPORT NOW IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVING WELL.
I MEAN, MAYBE IT MAY BE JUST A SHORT MINUTE PRESENTATION WITH WHAT THE CAR IS.
SO LET'S SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE MR. SAMSON SAYS IT HELPS PEOPLE.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE DESCRIBING A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, SAY THE BOY SCOUTS DO THAT OR THIS OR THAT.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THIS THING IS AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND HOW CLOSE IS COMING TO DO IT.
AND IF IT'S NOT WHY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIRECTIONS OR WHAT CHANGES ARE BEING MADE SO THAT IT WILL PERSONALLY SAY THAT I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS MYSELF.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY BEFORE YOUR NEXT WORK SESSION OR YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING, BE ONE OF THAT.
WELL, I'M WAITING FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT TOO.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY SEE US ON THIS LITTLE TV TUBE AND, AND SO FORTH, ARGUE ABOUT THIS ANIMAL AND, AND, AND BEAT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT.
AND YOU AGREE WITH IT, DISAGREE WITH IT AND THEY WANDER AND GO OFF THEMSELVES ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY.
MAYBE I'M SUPPOSED TO, BUT THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER VOID IN MY CRANIUM UP THERE.
BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, MYSELF WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT A BIG THICK DOCUMENT.
THAT'S AN OUTLINE, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL FIT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY SAY THAT MONEY STARTS OUT HERE KIND OF LIKE THE MUSIC AND IT GOES ROUND AND AROUND AND HE COMES OUT HERE AND I, WELL, SEE WHAT I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONCERT.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
AND WE WILL STILL HAVE, I EVEN NOTICED A LITTLE AD IN THE PAPER THE OTHER DAY, OUR, UH, TOWN HALL MEETING, WHAT IS IT? NOVEMBER THE 15TH.
I JUST WANT TO KEEP REPEATING IT.
SO ANYBODY OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC, THE ONE ABOUT THESE WONDERS THINGS WE TALK ABOUT CAN SHOW UP AND THEY'LL BE SOMEBODY RUNNING AROUND, OUT THERE, LIKE ON PHIL DONAHUE WITH A MIC.
SO KEEP IT CLEAN, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, WE'RE READY FOR REQUESTED NOW.
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ALL RIGHT.AND, UH, I DON'T WANT TO FIND DOMINIC DOCS WITH NEWSREEL OF ACCOUNTS WITH GOVERNMENT.
BY THE WAY, DID, DIDN'T SAY IN THE LITTLE PREP SHEET HERE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S FEDERAL RESIGNED FROM THE ELECTRIC SERVICES BOARD WHO POINTS, AND EVEN IF IT WASN'T ADDRESSED TO ME, IT'S THE BOARD APPOINTMENT TO MAKE THE FULL BOARD'S APPOINTMENT, THE FULL BOARD.
IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEBODY IS NOMINATE SOMEBODY AND THEY NEEDS TO RESIDE IN TOWNSHIP.
SOUNDS YET BE A HOPPER, KEEP YOU WIZARD AND AROUND.
IF THEY'D LIKE, LAWYER YOUR BANK, YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF MONEY.
THE OTHER THING WAS THIS, THE BILL, HE MIGHT NEED TO GIVE US SOME HELP ON THIS.
I HAD READ THIS LETTER SOMETIME BACK WHEN THE FIRST GUY TO THE BATHROOM APARTMENT, TO THE CAMERA, THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT A NEW POINT OF MERITS OR NOMINATION, BUT IT HAD TO BE FROM COUNTY.
OTHER THAN US WAS MY READING EVIDENCE.
IT HAD TO BE INVOLVED IN, UH, UH, MY WASN'T COASTAL AGRICULTURE, I THINK SO.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE CRITERIA.
SO I ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD BE MUCH AS THE PEOPLE, OTHER THAN US, THAT HE'D BE MAKING A NOMINATION FOR THEIR SEAT.
AND THEN A MOM, THEY, PEOPLE THEY PICKED AND INDIVIDUALLY, THERE WILL BE CORRECT.
IF YOU DON'T MEET MY USUAL NOMINATION, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF NOMINATIONS MADE FROM BEES OUT OF IT.
THE LAST ONE, THE PHONE, BECAUSE WE WANTED THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THOSE COUNTIES OFFICE.
THEY KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN THE CORNER.
I KNOW A FEW OF THEM, OH GOD, DID YOU HAVE ON YOUR APPOINTMENT? UH, FILL OUT.
IF YOU FEEL THOSE THINGS OUT, THERE'S NO OTHER APPOINTMENTS TO BE MADE.
ALANIA YOU DIDN'T START DOWN ON THE EM WITH NON MISCELLANEOUS COLUMN.
I DON'T HAVE ANY,
I GOT A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY, AND MOST OF YOU GUYS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, MAYBE NOT THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IN ANOTHER, SOME OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS LADY ON GRIFFIN AVENUE LIVES IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, SAID THAT SHE HAD BEEN PAYING SO MANY DOLLARS PER MONTH.
I THINK SHE SAID $8 A MONTH TO THE LANDLORD HAVE HER GARBAGE PICKED UP.
SO NOW WE'RE CHARGING HER $4 A MONTH AND SHE'S STILL PAYING, UH, SHE FEELS THAT $8 A MONTH IN A WRINKLES OR RENT HADN'T BEEN ADJUSTED BECAUSE HE'S NOT PAYING IT ANYMORE.
AND YOU'RE GOING TO, I'M SURE THIS ISN'T THE FIRST COMPLAINT IS THAT DAN AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO IF ANYTHING, BUT BE AWARE THAT IT'S PROBABLY HAPPENING AT NOT JUST THIS ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX, IT'S PROBABLY A BUNCH OF THEM.
AND IT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THIS LADY BECAUSE SHE'S JUST A LITTLE LOW 86 YEAR OLD LADY.
NOW WE'RE TAKING FOUR MORE DOLLARS OF WHAT LITTLE BIT SHE DOES HAVE.
AND SHE'S A LANDLORD, RIGHT? SHE WAS PAYING THE LANDLORD $8 A MONTH TO PICK UP HER TRASH, TAKE IT TO A DUMPSTER.
SO WE IN A MOVE, BUT WE'RE REALLY NOT TAKING HER.
NOW WE'RE TAKING $4 FROM HER TO TAKE IT TO THE SAME DUMPSTER.
AND SHE'S STILL PAYING THE LAND.
HE'S THE ONE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET.
THE LANDLORD MADE NO ADJUSTMENT.
I, THAT RE THAT RENT INCREASE WAS BY CONTRACT.
BUT IF HE HAD ANY TYPE OF SCRUPLES, HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ADJUST TO AFFORD.
IS THIS SOMEBODY THAT YOU CONSIDERED LOW INCOME? I CONSIDER ANYBODY'S 86 YEARS OLD ON SOCIAL SECURITY.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS SHE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING
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FOR IT.AND IF IT'S $2, HE'S STILL PAYING $8.
AND SHE WAS PAYING BEFORE TO GET IT PICKED UP, WHICH HASN'T BEEN ADJUSTED.
AND I'LL SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT MORE PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE ON THE SAME THING.
WHAT IS THE LEGAL ANSWER TO THAT? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT SINCE THAT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE LANDLORD AND LANDLORD TENANT QUESTIONS? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I MEAN, AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO US, WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE FULL BUCKS THEN.
I MEAN, I'LL OH, HEY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
BUT THERE'S PROBABLY IN THIS ONE DEVELOPMENT, FINALLY, A HALF OF THEIR TENANTS ARE PROBABLY OLD PEOPLE.
WELL, I MEAN, I'M AGREEING THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD THING, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T REMEMBER.
I SEE, WE MAY SEE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN TIME, AND I KNOW THAT THAT YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE GETTING RIGHT.
DANNY CAN, UH, I HAVE FOUND, YOU KNOW, IT'S,
WELL, I MAY TAKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INFLUENCE I'D HAVE, BUT I MAKE, I'M GOING TO TRY SOMETHING BIGGER.
IF YOU CALL ME, MAYBE TALK TO ME.
THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE, I HAD HERE SOMEWHERE.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT, NOVEMBER THE FIRST AT SEVEN 30 AT THE WEST NEWMAN RECREATION CENTER.
IT'S INVOLVING THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN AND AROUND ELIZABETH LONG VIEW AVENUE.
THEY HAD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE, SPEEDERS AND TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY LOUD SPEEDING TRAFFIC AFTER SAY 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
WE'VE HAD THE POLICE OUT THERE FOR THREE WEEKS.
AND, UH, IT'S BEEN ABOUT AN OPEN SEASON.
THOSE GUYS HAVE WRITTEN SOME TICKETS AND THEY'VE CALLED A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO MEET WITH THEM AND, AND GET THEIR FEELINGS ON IT.
BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL EVENT, A ULTIMATE FREEZE.
YOU'VE GOT A SPECIAL INVITATION BECAUSE SOMEBODY SPOKE TO YOURS AND THE REST OF THEM, YOU HAVE AN OPEN INVITATION TO ATTEND.
I THINK THE CITY MANAGER AND DANNY CHIEF, CHIEF OF POLICE ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
SO YOU MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I'M GETTING A SPECIAL INVITATION BECAUSE PART OF IT'S IN MY WARD, NOT BECAUSE I GOT A TICKET WITH, IT'S A BIG, LOUD YELLOW VAN THAT OPENS YOUR LUNGS.
IF YOU LIKE TO COME BY, WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING THAT'S ALL I GO AHEAD.
WHAT IS IT? AND THAT IS A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED DENIED BY MR. WELLINGTON.
HE ASKED HIM THIS, BE GIVEN TO YOU.
HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS INVITATION TO CITIZENS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
HE SAID HE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK THROUGH IT.
AND WHENEVER YOU GOT THROUGH IT, HE DIDN'T STICK TO THE MEETINGS.
ALSO, UH, ONE ITEM OF MISCELLANEOUS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IS YOUR NEXT MEETING NIGHT IS ELECTION NIGHT.
AND SO ON THE OTHER OCCASIONS, WHEN THIS HAS HAPPENED, THE BOARD HAS MOVED THAT MEETING.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S HAVE IT WEDNESDAY BECAUSE BARBARA LEE AND I, WE LIKE TO GO DOWN TO THE COURTHOUSE AND, AND SUPPORT OUT CANDIDATE.
THAT'S MOVING UNTIL THE WEDNESDAY AFTER THE ELECTION.
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT OR SOMETHING? A MOTION TO DO.
WE NEED TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION THERE.
IS IT A VOICE
WHEN THAT MEETING TAKES PLACE PAST WHAT IS THIS GROUP?
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AND YOU WANTED TO SEE WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO EVER BE A PART OF IT.AS I SAY, LET'S MAKE A MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF A JOURNEY AND SAY, I THINK AFTER I LISTENED TO THE MINUTES AFTER I LISTENED TO THE TABLE, IF THE TWINS