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RIGHT BEFORE I GET OUT OF THIS OFFICE, I REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT, IT'S STILL A HAMMER TO ME.
HEY, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
AND LET'S SAY AS ROB AND THOMAS DENTON, THOMAS DENTON, HE IS HERE.
THOMAS IN THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH THAT WAS PRAY TOGETHER.
IN THE QUIETNESS OF THIS MOMENT, AFTER A BUSY DAY, FOR ALL WE PAUSE TO GIVE YOU FIGHTS FOR THE BLESSINGS OF LIFE COMMUNITY AND FOR THIS CITY AND YOUR SURFACE.
WHEN WE TAKE FOR GRANTED THE PLACE IN WHICH WE LIVE, FORGIVE US.
WHEN WE FAIL TO STOP, TO SEE AND TO ENJOY THE BEAUTY AROUND US.
WE THANK YOU FOR OUR HISTORY AND HERITAGE, OUR CULTURE, AND EVEN OUR VARYING CLIENT AND YOUR PROVIDENCE.
YOU HAVE PLACED US TOGETHER AS CITIZENS IN THIS PLACE, HELP US ALL TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND SENSITIVE AND GOOD STEWARDS OF THIS WONDERFUL PART OF YOUR CREATION DID THIS BOARD AND DID THESE PEOPLE TONIGHT, WE PRAY FOR OAKLAND MINE'S SENSITIVE HEARTS, COMPASSION AND UNDERSTAND IT, FREEDOM AND A DESIRE FOR TRUTH LORD.
MANY OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE IN LIFE ARE NOT BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, BUT BETWEEN THAT, WHICH IS BETTER AND THAT WHICH IS BEST.
AND WE CAN FAST THAT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY.
SO BY YOUR SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND THE ASSURANCE OF YOUR HOLY PRESENCE, WE PRAY FOR YOUR GUIDANCE, THE NAME OF OUR AMEN.
I THINK, UH, HALDEMAN PENDLETON SENT WORD THAT HE'S ON THE WAY.
UH, AND WE'LL BE HERE SHORTLY.
WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THEN I LIKE TO READ WHAT WAS THAT HAS TO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I APPRECIATE THAT FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE ANYBODY'S EVER TOLD ME TO SPEAK UP.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT ALL MY LIFE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO READ A RESOLUTION.
FIRST THING THAT, UH, GEORGE DUNSON DIED, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE PAPER HAS BEEN AROUND NEWMAN A LONG TIME.
AND, UH, I THINK BARBARA LEE DIDN'T, YOU PROPOSE THE RESOLUTION AND, UH, WE ALL THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
IT SAYS, WHEREAS GEORGE HENRY DOTSON WAS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF NEWBURN, A PROMINENT BUSINESSMAN AND BAIL BONDSMEN.
AND WHEREAS THEY ALSO OWNED THE FROG POND SERVICE CENTER, FROG POND TAX.
HE'D DONE SOME BAIL BONDING AND THE FROG POND AND ENTERTAINMENT CENTER.
WHEREAS GEORGE HENRY DOES HIS DEATH AS A SHOCK TO THIS COMMUNITY AS HE WAS A VARIOUS GROUP OF CITIZEN.
WHEREAS MR. DODSON TO SERVE AS A MENTOR TO YOUNG MAN, WHEREAS GEORGE HENRY JOHNSON HAS EARNED THE RESPECT, ADMIRATION, AND HIGH REGARD OF ALL THOSE WITH WHOM HE CAME INTO CONTACT AND WILL BE SOLELY MISSED BY AS MANY FRIENDS.
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NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE NEW HAVEN BOARD OF ALDERMAN THAT WE TAKE PUBLIC AND OFFICIAL COGNIZANCE OF GEORGE HENRY DANSON AND EXPRESSED HIS SORRY, FAMILY, OR A SINCERE SYMPATHY AND OUR DEEP, UH, REALIZATION OF THE LOSS WE HAVE SUSTAINED ADOPTED THIS DAY, 13TH OF FEBRUARY OF 1996.SO DO I HEAR A MOTION THAT WE ABOUT BARBARA MOVED AND SECONDED? ANY DISCUSSION? UH DON'T PLEASE CALL THE ROLL THOUGH.
THE FIRST THING ON OUR LONG AGENDA TONIGHT IS THE REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS.
AND LET ME EXPLAIN TO SOME YOU WHO ARE HERE THAT, UH, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ON ANY OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT OR WHATEVER, OR ANY ETJ OR ANY OF THAT.
THIS IS THE THING THAT WE HAVE ONCE A MONTH, WHEREAS SOMEBODY CAN COME UP TO SPEAK ABOUT, UH, SOME PRESSING ISSUE TO THEM.
SO, UH, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT IN THAT CATEGORY? THERE IS SOMEBODY HERE.
WOULD YOU COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? AND MY NAME IS DORIS HALLWAY.
I LIVE ON HIGHWAY 17, SOUTH IN NEWBURN.
THIS IS MY SECOND TIME MEETING BEFORE THE OLD AND ALL THE MORNING.
SOME OF YOU WERE ON THE BULLETS WHEN I APPROACHED BEFORE, ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, ASKING FOR YOUR, HOW IS 17 SOUTH.
UH, DURING THAT TIME WE HAD TALKED WITH THIS, THE HEARTLAND WE'VE WERE PROBLEMS, WATER ON HOW WE 17 SOUTH.
AND WE HAVE BEEN PROMISED WATER SINCE THAT TIME FOR ALL THESE YEARS, YET WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED.
AND SOME OF YOU MET WITH THE RESIDENTS AT ST.
AND I ASKED THE QUESTION THEN WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT WE WOULD GET WATER ON HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH FOR THE RESIDENTS BEYOND THE SCHOOLS? WE WERE TOLD AT THAT MEETING, WHICH I ASKED THE QUESTION, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
WHAT WOULD IT BE? AND IT WOULD TAKE 10 DAYS TO MAKE THE CONTRACT AND WE WOULD HAVE A CHRISTMAS PRESENT.
WELL, NOW THIS TOMORROW IS ABOUT THAT AND WE HAVEN'T HAD CHILDREN YET.
SO I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TO ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD TONIGHT CONSIDER HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH WITH EXTENSION, BUT ALSO LEARN FROM SOME OF THE BUREAUCRATS THAT IT WAS SAID BY THE, SOME OF THE OLD ONE THAT WHY SHOULD WE GIVE WATER TO THE RESIDENTS ON HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH WHEN THEY ARE AGAINST YOU TODAY? WHEN I HEARD THAT THE RESIDENCE ON HIGHWAY 17, SOUTH SIX YEARS AGO, AND I'M SURE IT WAS THE HARTMAN CAN VERIFY THIS ALSO ALL THE LONG LEAVE, ALL THE RAIN THAT WE, THE RESIDENCE ON HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH, THEN PUT YOU INTO JAIL.
THERE WAS A LEFT THAT WAS SENT TO THE RESIDENT AND AMONG OURSELVES, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH ETJ ON HOW WE 17 SOUTH HOPING THAT WE WOULD GET WATER.
AND ALSO NO ONE, THE FACT THAT FROM THE COOPERATION, A FEW MILES DOWN THE ROAD MIGHT COME IN.
SO WE BROUGHT AND CHOSE NEWBURN TO SAY THAT, JUST SAY THIS FOR THE OLD ONE, TO THINK THAT YOU
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ARE HOLDING US BACK FROM GETTING MORE WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY VOTED BY TJ.SO THE RESIDENTS ON ROCKERMAN ROAD HAVE THE WAR AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WAS, I GUESS, TJ, WHICH I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH, WE ARE SPEAKING ON HOW TO ACT 17.
AND I ASKED THAT YOU ALL TONIGHT, PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION YOUR PHONE AND VOTE FOR WAR EXTENDED TO THE RESIDENTS ON HOW IS 17 SOUTH THE HEART.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST OFF THAT, UM, UH, DID, DID YOU AND I HAVE A CONVERSATION REGARDING THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND I'M TRYING TO RECALL EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
WHY DID I TELL YOU WHEN YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THE WATER ALONG HIGHWAY 17, YOU STATED AT THAT TIME.
YEAH, NO, I'M JUST SAYING IT BOTH LEVELS HIS MEMORY.
I THINK HE'S ON JOB, BUT YOU WOULD BRING UP THE ISSUE OF WAR AT THAT WEEK AND THAT YOU WOULD VOTE FOR WATER PHOENIX THEN ON HOW WE 17 SOUTH WITH THE RESIDENT.
DIDN'T WE HAVE A CONVERSATION THOUGH, WHERE I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY MANAGER SAID THE LINE WAS BEING EXTENDED TO THERE.
AND IT WOULD TAKE WHAT'D YOU TELL ME AT THE TIME, 30, 60, 90 DAYS SOMETHING, I FORGET WHATEVER IT TAKES.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE 10 DAY FIGURE, BUT WE HAVE TO NOT GIVE A NOTICE OF AWARD.
AND WE HAD TO ALLOW GET A CONTRACT SIGNED WHEN THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED WELL ON HER PARTICULAR THING, WE'VE HAD A LATCH ON THAT, UH, EXTENSION.
THE BOARD DID APPROVE FOR THE BE IT'S ABOUT TWO MEETINGS AGO ON THAT PROJECT.
AND, UH, IN LOOKING AT THE BIDS AND, AND GETTING READY WITH THE CONTRACT, WE REALIZED THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME MATERIALS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE SPECS THAT WERE NOT IN THE SPECS.
AND SO WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND REVISE THE SPECIFICATIONS.
IT'S GOING TO MEET ABOUT A 30 DAY TO LAY ON THE GETTING OF THE PROJECT TOGETHER AND IN, BUT, UH, THE PROJECT IS STILL ON.
IT'S STILL IN THE BUDGET IS STILL ON GO.
AND I, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE SO FAR OUT OF KILLER THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BRING BACK ANOTHER BID TO THE BOARD OR NOT, OR WHETHER WE CAN DO IT BY CHANGE ORDER, BUT THE PROJECT IS ON GO AND IT IS TO BE DONE.
THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT HAS BEEN BUDGETED SINCE THE TIME THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT YOU AND MANY OF YOUR RESIDENTS MET UP HERE AND REQUESTED WATER AT THAT TIME.
UH, AND AT THAT TIME, EVERY YEAR, SINCE THEN, THE BUDGET HAS JUST NOT BEEN ENOUGH TO REALLY PUT THE MONEY INTO IT AND DO IT.
THE MONEY IS THERE THIS YEAR TO DO IT.
AND THE BID WAS AWARDED LIKE A, SAY TWO MEETINGS AGO BY THIS BOARD AND IT IS PROCEEDING ALONG.
I WOULD SAY THAT YOU WON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE GROUND BEFORE, MAYBE APRIL AT THIS POINT, LET ME SAY THIS, THE GLITCH THAT HE'S TELLING HIM OUT, IT'S SOMETHING NEW TO ME SINCE YOU AND I HAVE TAUGHT BECAUSE WHEN YOU AND I HAVE TAUGHT, HE TOLD ME AT THE TIME, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, I WOULD THINK, I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD REMEMBER THE TIME I TOLD YOU, 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS OR WHATEVER.
I WAS TRYING TO GET A TIME OF WHEN YOU CAN TURN ON A TAPE AND WATER'S GOING TO RUN OUT BECAUSE TERMS TO ME LIKE LAYING IT ON THE GROUND OR DOING THIS OR DOING THAT.
I CAN'T EXACTLY DETERMINE WHAT THAT MEANS MYSELF.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS WHEN WILL SHE BE ABLE TO TURN ON A TAP AND GET SOME MORE PLUS OR MINUS? WELL, I THINK YOUR TASK CASE VERSUS WORST CASE, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS FALL.
WHEN YOU ACTUALLY TURN THE TAP ON AND GET WATER EARLY THIS FALL SOMETIME, AND THE FALL IS DEFINED AS ONE MONTH PLUS OR MINUS SEPTEMBER.
THERE'S ONLY WAR ON HIGHWAY 17.
IF I HAVE TO CARRY IT OUT AND BUCKETS,
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAID WATER COMING FORTH REMINDED ME OF CHURCH THE OTHER WEEK, YOU KNOW, I CAME, STRIKE THE ROCK AND MAKE IT GO.
SOMETIMES I THINK I'M HAVING TO STRIKE A ROCK, BUT IT WILL BE COMING.
TJ WILL NOT AFFECT THE, UH, WHAT THE BOAT ON ATJ IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE WATER LINE.
IT'S NOT ONLY IN YOUR INTEREST AT THIS POINT, IT'S IN THE CITY'S INTEREST TO DO THAT.
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WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS CITY, THAT IF SOMEBODY REPRESENTING THE CITY SAYS IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.AS LONG AS YOU STAY SPEAKING FOR THE CITY, MY JOB IS TO SEE THAT IT HAPPENS.
AND IF IT HAS BEEN VOTED ON AND IT WILL HAPPEN AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, GLITCHES COME UP.
AND MY JOB IS TO GET THE GLITCHES OUT OF THE WAY.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING FORTH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT OR QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER, UM, I'M ON YOUR SIDE AS FAR AS GETTING THE WATER.
AND SO I THINK IS EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE? I HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING IN THE OTHER WAY.
AND I KNOW IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING.
I KNOW YOU'VE DEALT WITH IT FOR A LONG TIME, BUT, UH, IT WILL BE THERE.
DID THAT JULIUS, YOU WERE ON THE BOARD.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR WHATEVER ABOUT IT? OKAY, APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP.
ANYBODY ELSE UNDER A CATEGORY OF THE, OF THE CITIZENS PETITIONS OR WHATEVER? AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE TJ OR ANY OF THAT YET.
SO I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S DONE.
THE NEXT THING WILL BE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ADOPTING AN ORDINANCE TO CLOSE A PORTION OF HARTFORD AVENUE.
AND I GUESS MIKE YOU'LL BE, WHOA, NO, YOU DON'T.
YOU GOTTA WATCH THIS SEVEN MONTHS AGO BY
UH, HE'S REQUESTED THAT THE CITY WOULD BE CLOSING.
JUST A QUICK LITTLE MAP WAS DOWN HERE.
UH, MR.
I DON'T MEAN ALL OF THIS PROPERTY.
WHAT WAS HAPPENING? SYCAMORE STREET ON BACK TO THE SUBSTATION.
AND HE'S REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK AT CLOSING THE STREET WAS PAID ANOTHER SECTION THREE.
THAT IS BASICALLY WEAPONS, CHECK CHANCES BEING TIED TOGETHER, NOTHING BEYOND THIS POINT.
AGAIN, SAY THAT AS WETLANDS DOWN WILL BE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
SO IN LOOKING AT WHAT WAS FOUND IN BASKETBALL, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY CREATE A PLANNING PROBLEM, AND IT MAY, UH, ONE THAT I DON'T SEE HAPPENING IN THE NEAR FUTURE, UH, WE WERE RECOMMENDING THAT WE CLOSED IT RIGHT AWAY.
THE OWNS ALL THE PROPERTY THAT'S INVOLVED.
WE ALL REQUESTED THAT A 25 FOOT UTILITY BE MAINTAINED, THEN PAY TAXES ON ALL THAT.
WE'LL HAVE TO USE 25 FEET IF WE CHOOSE TO, I DON'T THINK SAM STAFF HAD ANY PROBLEM CLOSING THAT LINE.
ANYBODY GOT THE QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANY ONE TO GET SOLVED CLOSE ON THIS STREET? IF YOU ARE, COULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? DOES ANYONE I'M WANTING TO BE HEARD? I LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SEC.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY HI AND ALL THE, NO.
MAY I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT A ORDINANCE BE DRAWN? WELL, I LIKE IT I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE.
DOES THAT CONTAIN THE 25 FOOT UTILITY UTILITIES? OKAY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT? RECALL THE ROAD.
NEXT THING IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT NORTHERN AT SOME CLOSING A PORTION OF HOWL ROAD AND TO BURN A SUBDIVISION.
BY THE WAY, WE DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN IT LONG AGO.
I GUESS WE REALLY OFFICIALLY DON'T LEAD A MOTION THOUGH.
WE'VE DONE IT BY, UM, WHEN WE OPEN THIS PHONE HERE,
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NANNY, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT ONE AGAIN? YEAH.THIS, WE USE LINES BY THE WAY LINES LINES.
THIS IS WHAT AIRPORT ROAD DOESN'T EXIST TODAY.
UH, WHEREAS WE WILL SAY SUCCEED IN THIS BELT, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING A KIND OF CIRCULAR DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT THIS PORTION OF OUR ROAD BE BASICALLY CLOSES INEFFECTIVE, WILL MORE OR LESS BE REBOUNDED AT A CERTAIN EMOTION TO EASE IT IN BACK UP OR
AND
BUT IN LOOKING AT IT, WE DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY REAL INCONVENIENCE CREATED LINE ONE AT THAT SPOT, THE NEW, SAFER ATMOSPHERE THIS RIGHT NOW, SUBURBS AROUND THAT HE DID AT ONE TIME SERVE AS TESTING GROUND VEHICLES OUT HERE ON OUR LIVES.
AND THE BUS WAS
UH, THIS WOULD BE BARRICADED AT THAT TIME WHEN THIS IS OPEN AND THIS PORTION OF THE ROAD BOTTLED WOULD NOT BE PAID, UH, REALISTICALLY, SOMETIME EARLY NEXT YEAR, JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF 97.
UH, SOME CONCERNS THAT FOLKS HAVE RAISED AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, IS, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TRAIN JUMPS OFF THE
I SPOKEN TO, AND SINCE I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM, UH, THIS WORD WAS BASICALLY USE THAT WHOLE ROAD.
UH, THIS WOULD BE AVAILABLE, WORKS IN VEHICLES, TRULY WORKS, BUT AS FAR AS THAT CASE, BUT, UH, WE, UM, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE I FORGET WHEN YOU SAY IT'LL BE A FAIL, BUT AS FAR AS RIDING AROUND ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON OR WHATEVER, WHAT AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE HAS GOT TO COME NOW, DOES THAT MEAN THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT LEAVE A CABLE ACROSS THAT ROAD OR A BARRICADE OR WHATEVER? I MEAN, THAT CAN'T BE WELL, UH, TO, TO SIT THERE AND SAY THAT, AND WE'LL BE AT PACE IN CONSTRUCTION PORTION THAT THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, WILL TO BE 100% SURE.
I WOULD SAY THEN THE REALITY OF FRAME
UH, HOW WOULD I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE ROAD WOULD HAVE TO BE GUARANTEED TO BE OPEN TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES BY WHATEVER DEFINITION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OR ELSE IT'S NOT? YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S EITHER OPEN OR IT'S CLOSED AS FAR AS EMERGENCY VEHICLES ARE CONSIDERED.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE DEPENDENT ON THAT.
I CONTACTED HIS OFFICE TO TALK TO HIM, BUT HIS SECRETARY WHAT'S HAPPENING IS, UH, ASKING HIM IF THERE WERE ANY CONCERNS ON THEIR PART, AS FAR AS OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
I KNOW THESE FOLKS, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, BOTTOM LINE IS THIS WE'LL BASICALLY BE RELOCATED.
THIS WILL BE PAID WITHIN HALF A YEAR.
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YOU KNOW, THAT SLOWS THE PROGRESS OF THIS GOLF COURSE, AND THIS TABLE CAN ADD MORE TO IT.AND THEN I CAN, UH, IS THAT THIS THERE'S NO WAY THIS IS GOING TO BE PHASED INTO EARLY NEXT YEAR.
YOU KNOW, I CAN SIT HERE AND TELL YOU IS ONE WAY, BUT, UH,
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER THREE MONTHS AND JUST TO BE PAID AT THAT POINT, THEY'RE RIGHT.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT THIS ROAD THEN BESIDES THE TRACK.
SO THEY CAN TALK TO WORK ON THE GOLF COURSE AND DO THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO, LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL WORK GOING ON OUT THERE.
HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH THE EMERGENCY SITUATION OR
UH, MOST OF THAT I'VE NOTICED, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE SPRING GETS HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SIT BACK HERE AND SAY NOVEMBER,
WELL, MANIA, IS IT IMPOSSIBLE? I MEAN, COULD YOU GET A VEHICLE UP AND DOWN AT LIKE EMERGENCY? YEAH.
UM, NO, I WOULD SUGGEST THERE'S ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE HERE.
WHETHER THERE'S ANOTHER GATE, HE GOES TO THE MARK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T GET IT, GET IT OFF.
IF THERE WAS SUCH AN EMERGENCY, AS YOU DISCUSSED FROM WHICH DIRECTION WOULD THE RESCUE OR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES COME, WELL, IF YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN THIS MORNING, USUALLY IT'S MOSTLY YOUR COMING RIGHT NOW.
THE ONLY ISSUE THAT
THAT IS THE ONLY THING CREATE AN ISSUE.
AS FAR AS EMERGENCY, YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, YOU WON'T RESPOND TO THE FIRE FROM HERE.
UH, I LIVE OVER THERE, BUT I'M USED TO, AND I THINK THE FIRE STATIONS BACKUP USE THEM, RIGHT? IF YOU'VE DONE THEM FROM THE HOSPITAL, EMERGENCY SITUATIONS FROM THE HOSPITAL, THEN YOU WON'T BURN ROAD.
UH,
NOT ARE THEY GOING TO TEAR IT UP BEFORE THEY BUILD THE SECOND WALL? THIS BUILDING, I, THIS IS
THEY'RE GOING, YOU USE THIS AS A WORK MODE.
STEVE
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LEGS.THAT WAY NOBODY'S IN THAT ROAD, WE'VE GOT ROAD POSTS IN IT, BUT YOU GOT ONE LANE TO GET THROUGH.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTAINING.
NO, YOU'RE SAYING ROADS GOING TO LEAVE IT.
AND WHEN THEY GET THE ON ROAD FINISHED, THEN
AS THEY WORK WITH ALL OF THEM.
AFTER 17 YEARS, THE CONCERN IS WHETHER THEY CAN GUARANTEE YOU TO REMAIN OPEN TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL CAN FIGURE OUT HOW COSTLY IT BECOMES IN MY, IN MY MIND.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AN EMERGENCY VEHICLES, NOT BEING ABLE TO GET IN VERSUS A LITTLE BIT OF INCONVENIENCE GOING AROUND SOMETHING, THAT'S TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO ALLOW FOR THAT.
I JUST WANT I'M SAYING, I THINK, I THINK ALL THAT, UH, NAME WHERE THIS AREA HERE FROM THEIR BACK, THAT'S GOING TOWARDS AIRPORT.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO LINE? IS THAT'S WHERE IT, THE PROPERTY INSIDE.
HOW MANY HOMES INSIDE THAT AREA? THAT'S NOT PART OF THE BELT.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU COME IN THURMAN ROAD, YOU CAN GET UP TO THE WHOLE, INTERLINE NO PROBLEMS. YOU COME IN OFF GRANTS.
WELL, YOU STILL GET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ORANGE GROVE.
SO EVERYTHING OUTSIDE HORNS LAND CAN'T BE TAKEN CARE OF BY BIRD CBA AND LESS AT THE TIME, THIS IS BARRICADE TO TRAFFIC.
WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JESSE, YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION, ALL OF A SUDDEN IS THE BOTTOM ROAD PAVE.
YET YOU SAY THERE'S GOING TO BE PAID FIRST.
IT'S ALMOST TWO AND A HALF, THREE MONTHS.
WE'RE SAYING A COMPELLING REASON TO DO THAT ONE FIRST INSTEAD OF THE, ON TOP A MINUTE.
IS THAT WHAT I WAS? WELL SO YOU'RE REALLY CUTTING IT DOWN THE FOREST FROM FARTHER.
I MEAN, THE TOP OF THE FIRST MITCHEL, IT KIND OF SOLVED THE PROBLEM AND THEN LET US
BUT YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ISSUES.
THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT RAISED ME.
UH, I, YOU KNOW, I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WAREHOUSES DESIGNED A FREED THAT IS COMPATIBLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, THE ONLY LINE ON IT IS I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DOING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, PERIOD TO ALL THE PLACE AT LAST STATUTE.
WAREHOUSES DON'T WANT ONE REALLY AFFECTED IN THIS AREA.
NOTHING ILLEGAL HERE, JUST BY IF Y'ALL DON'T HAVE ANY PREFERENCE OF WHO GOES FIRST FORWARD AGAINST IT, OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME UP OR LET'S GET WHO'S AGAINST IT.
LET'S GO WITH WHO'S AGAINST IT.
THEN IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, WHO WANTS TO COME FIRST? WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ROW.
ANYBODY ON THE FIRST ROW AGAIN? SO HOW ROAD NOBODY.
WE WANT TO CROSS ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK AGAINST IT.
HOW ROAD CLOSE OFF THIRD ROAD.
FORTHRIGHT FIFTH, RIGHT? GOOD.
AND I GUESS WE'LL START ON THE END AND WORK DOWN
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UM, ALL RIGHT.WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE FOR US IN THE MIC? SO FOR THE RECORD WHAT IS IT? IS IT A DRESS DON'T MEAN LIKE A BOX NOW IT'S FURTHERED THE MINUTES OF THE RECORD AND YOU NAME CLONE ALL AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOUR ADDRESS.
YOU SAY YOU NEED TO TURN THE MAP OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT? ALL RIGHT, DANNY, DANNY, YOU CAN HELP HIM WITH IT.
YOU HAVE A NANNY IS GOING TO HAVE TO STAND ON HIS HEAD TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
SO YOU, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU'RE SPANISH THOUGH? YOU'LL JUST GO AROUND THAT AREA.
I MEAN, JUST, YOU WON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET ON THE HIGHWAY.
IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT
YOU DON'T GO ON A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY.
YOU JUST GO AROUND, YOU DON'T GO OUT ON THE POLE.
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I FIGURED TODAY I GOT LIKE EIGHTLET'S SEE WHO ELSE WAS ON THAT ROAD AND WANTED TO SPEAK SO
WHERE IS DANNY? HE NEEDS TO TURN THE MAP BACK AROUND.
WE NEED, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
NOW, WHICH SIDE OF THE RECREATIONAL COMPLEX I CAN'T BE A, CAN'T BE A RESCUE SQUAD OR WHATEVER.
HAVE ACCESS TO THAT TRACK OF LAND, UH, FROM HIGHWAY 70.
THERE'S A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CLOSING THE COMMUNITY Y'ALL IF, ONCE THEY CLOSE
IF WE DID, IT SLEPT THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES WOULD HAVE ACCESS.
IF WE COULD GUARANTEE DOING THAT SOMEHOW, WOULD YOU PROBABLY BE YOU, WOULD YOU BE AGAINST IT THEN?
I GOT, I GOT A HEART CONDITION.
WHAT'D YOUR PR YOUR PARAMOUNT CONCERN IS THAT YOU JUST PERSONALLY FEEL IT'S GOING TO BE TOO MUCH INCONVENIENCE FOR YOU.
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IT'S GOING TO BE THE MAINSTAY OF LEMME, LEMME ASK YOU ONE OTHER, IF THAT, IF IT'S TRUE AND I HAVEN'T IMAGINED I'M GOING BY, WHAT YOU'VE HEARD IS THAT THE ROUTE AROUND TO BURMA WOULD BE A QUARTER OF A MILE.AND LET'S JUST BE THE DEVIL THAT WAS ABBY AND SAY A HALF A MILE FARTHER.
AND IT WOULD GO IN THROUGH IT.
AND EFS PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE IN THE HALF.
I ASKED SOMEBODY TO SAY 55 OR WHATEVER, AND I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THAT RAY WAS IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT A NEWLY PAVED ROAD ALL OVER IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER, WOULD BE A SAFER CONDITION AT ROAD AT 55.
AND THEN THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN DETERMINED AT NIGHT BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISION, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS INTERESTED IN JUST ROBBING THE HAMMER AND FIGURING OUT AND SAID, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE IT OFF OF WHATEVER.
I THINK EVERYBODY HERE DOES HAVE THE CONCERN OF WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE ON THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT.
LIKE MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN THAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT IS THIS SAFETY ISSUE, YOU AND CONVENIENCE, TEMPORARY INCONVENIENCE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE NEW BRIDGE IS COMING TO DAVID AND ALL THAT THEY ALL HAVE TO LIVE WITH SOONER OR LATER.
I KNOW I'VE DEALT WITH PLENTY OF IT, YOU KNOW, FOR PROGRESS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
THE SAFETY ISSUE IS NUMBER ONE, PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING OVER THE LIST.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT AS IT UNFOLDS RIGHT HERE FOR ALL OF US.
SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT WE DON'T PUT THAT ON THE BACK BURNER.
AND ALSO IT WASN'T GUARANTEED, YOU KNOW,
OR JASON HAD, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE THE SAME THING AS DENIED.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE FOLKS, SOMETIMES IT SIDE, AND THE WAY WE VOTE IS IS, IS LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND TURN A DEAF EAR TO EVERYBODY OUTSIDE.
AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN PROVEN OVER TIME AND THAT'S NOT REALLY, SO, AND I CANNOT SEE THIS BOARD OR ANY OTHER BOARD CLOSING OFF THAT ROAD AND THEREBY UNDOING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE TONIGHT, JUST TURNING A DEAF EAR TO ALL THE PEOPLE.
I MEAN, WE LIVE WITH WHAT ALL YOU FOLKS DO, WE'RE FROM HERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS REACH A SENSIBLE CONCLUSION FOR EVERYBODY.
AND WE ALL HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT IT AND DISCUSS IT AND TRY TO MOVE AHEAD, BUT, YOU KNOW, DO IT THE BEST WAY WE CAN.
SO I JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S, CLOSING THE ROAD OFF YOU MEAN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY AROUND IT, YOU'RE HEARING, AS FAR AS I KNOW ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT RIGHT HERE IN THE PUBLIC THING.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOBODY TALKING TO ME ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, DO THIS, DO THAT OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL HONESTLY THOUGHT THROUGH AND LOOKING AT AS FAR AS I KNOW, RIGHT.
SO JUST WATCH IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS IS ALL I CAN TELL YOU.
NEXT GUY ON THE ROW OR ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT, ON THAT ROW BACK THERE, I WANT TO BE OKAY.
I'M A RESIDENT OF SABBATH AND I DON'T BELIEVE ON THIS PARTICULAR ROAD WHEN I'VE TRAVELED THIS ROAD QUITE MUCH, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OVER THERE IN THAT AREA.
THAT'S GOING TO BE INCONVENIENCED AT VERY LEAST.
UM, MY CLUBS AND THIS ROAD UP BEFORE THE OTHER ROAD IS BUILT.
UM, I KNOW I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, PEOPLE MENTIONED THE MAP, UH, TRAIN ME JUMPING OFF THE TRACK.
WHAT ABOUT FRAME US INTO A CAR, A SCHOOL BUS OR SOMETHING? UM, PLANE CRASH, ANY KIND OF THING HAPPENED OVER THERE AND, AND TO JEOPARDIZE THESE PEOPLE'S LIVES TO SPEED UP SO THAT SOMEBODY CAN PLAY GOLF OR SOMETHING TWO OR THREE MONTHS ALREADY, SAME FLIGHT, MONTE REFUGEES REALLY,
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UM, ALSO BREAK THE COUNTY'S PLAN TO BUILD ROAD RECREATION COMPLEX OF THEIR PURCHASE LAND AND BE GONNA HAVE LOT OF TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE GOING AND COMING ON THAT ROAD RIGHT THERE, THE, UH, SADDLE IN THE COUNTY JAIL AND GETTING READY TO HAVE A JAIL SATELLITE TABLE ITSELF, DETENTION CENTER OVER THERE.AND THEN ON THAT SAME ROAD, ALL OF A SUDDEN CRAVEN COUNTY IS A NUTRIENT
AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GOING AND COME IN AND THEY NEED ACCESS, UH, TO, TO, TO, TO ACCESS THE FACILITIES AND STUFF.
UH, WE MIGHT GET A ROAD VIA UBER.
WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROBLEMS OVER THERE.
SO WE GIVE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION TO GIVE UP THEIR LYFT SERVICE.
WHAT THE OVARY, HEY, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL GIVE THEM A STRONG CONSIDERATION AGAINST CLOSING THIS ROOM BEFORE THIS OTHER FOOD WOULD BE PAID.
I PERSONALLY, PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT BEING CLOSED OFF.
IT'S BUILT WITH TAXPAYER MONEY AND TO TURN AROUND AND GIVE IS THIS PROPERTY I'M NOT AGAINST? WHY WOULD I TURN AROUND AND GIVE THIS PROPERTY?
ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT PARTICULAR ROAD? WAIT A MINUTE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE LEFT? OKAY.
UH, MY NAME IS JAY BROWN AT 2100 OLD AIRPORT ROAD.
UH, ON THE GRANT SIDE OF THIS, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE MERCY SITUATION, HOW THAT WENT BACK.
SO I FELT PRETTY MUCH DECIDED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
SO THAT, THAT DOESN'T BECOME A PROBLEM.
NOW YOU DID MENTION THAT THERE'S SOME OF US THAT LIVE HERE THAT HAVE FRIENDS DOWN HERE AND WE'VE TRAVELED BACK AND FORTH ON THAT ROAD.
UH, TRAVELING IN OUR CARS FROM TIME TO TRAVEL ON HORSEBACK AND, UH, TRAVEL THAT ROAD.
AND THE REASON I MOVED THERE FIVE YEARS AGO, FIVE YEARS AGO, ARMED AROUND ROBERT UP HERE.
I BOUGHT PROPERTY THERE TO BUILD A BARN AND PUT IN SOME HORSES.
AND AS A FRIEND DOWN HERE ON THIS END, I HAD BARN HORSES AND EVERYBODY ROLL A TAN.
AND, UH, WE DO A PASSION PROJECT ON THE SIDE OF IT.
UH, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS THEN FOR THE BREAKFAST AND THE BROWNS GET TOGETHER, BUT RIGHT.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE RIGHT WE'LL COME BACK AND SAY IT OUT.
I WOULD GET FROM THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT A YEAR FROM NOW,
IT WOULD BE EVERYONE WHO LANDED LONG.
YOU'VE GIVEN IT TO THEM IN A YEAR OR NOW
OH, DIDN'T DIDN'T YOU TELL ME THOUGH, DANNY OR SOMEBODY SAY IT, NUMBER ONE, THE BOTTOM BAR IS GOING TO BE PAID SOON.
SO IT WAS ALREADY NEAR GETTING READY TO BE PAID, RIGHT? THE TOP PART.
AND YOU SAY HE WAS CLEARED? YES.
I THINK WHAT THEY SAY I CAN APPRECIATE
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT GOING AROUND ON THAT OUTSIDE LOOP.
THAT'S ALL I WON'T BE SITTING IN UNTIL IT'S READY TO GO AND TURN OVER TO THE CITY FOR ME.
UH, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE HACKING, THOSE PEOPLE THEN GO AROUND AND IF
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IT DOESN'T BELONG TO US IN THE LAST FOUR HOURS, IT GIVES THEM PERMISSION.UH, AGAIN,
IN FACT, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO ME, NO LESS THAN INCREASE YOUR PROFIT.
I ACTUALLY BOUGHT HER WAREHOUSE WITH OUR PROPERTY JOINS
I STAY DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE
THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE CAN WORK OUT, IF I CAN BE ACCOMMODATED AND THE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE OTHER ROADS BE ACCOMMODATED AND WE CAN GET THROUGH THERE OR AROUND OR
THERE WAS NOTHING TO PREVENT THEM FROM GOING AROUND THEM.
HOW A ROAD BASED UPON THE ORANGE CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? WELL, BEFORE THESE ROLES ARE CONSTRUCTED, CAN HORSES GO THROUGH THE UNCONSTRUCTIVE PART RIGHT NOW? SO EVEN NOW IN THE CONDITION, THOSE ROLES ARE IN NOW, IS THERE ANYTHING TO PREVENT HORSES FROM TRAVELING AROUND THE HE'S HE'S AFRAID THEY MIGHT COME OUT AND SAY, AFTER THEY CLOSED THE ROAD WHERE HE CAN GET THROUGH THAT KNOWS THAT WE'VE CLOSED IT, NO HORSES OR WHATEVER, AND PLAY, SHED HIM OFF.
ONCE THOSE ROADS ARE BUILT, AREN'T, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY.
THEY WILL BE TO THE ZAHN AND OF COURSE HE CAN RIDE, BUT THE NAN OR ON PERIOD, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PROBLEMS. ONE IS SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT ANY CLOSE GOES.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE AS A CONSIDERATION.
THE OTHER ONE IS THE SAFETY ISSUE.
WHAT IF THEY CLOSE IT AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS, HE'S BROUGHT UP A THIRD ISSUE AND NASTY, UH, FACT THAT BEING ABLE TO RIDE THE HORSES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SWEEP IN A PILE HERE TOWARD THE, TO END THE EVIDENCE AND CONSIDER IT.
SO, THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT OUT.
ALL RIGHT, LET ME ADDRESS ONE ISSUE.
AND THIS, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE ENTIRE ISSUE, BUT THERE'S JUST, JUST ONE LITTLE FACET OF IT THAT I'VE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE WITH ME.
AND I KEEP HEARING THAT YOUR PROPERTY VALUES WILL, IT WILL DROP.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT NEIGHBOR WITH THE GOLF COURSE AT 150 200, $300,000 HOUSES IS GOING TO HURT THE PROPERTY VALUES.
I THINK IF ANYTHING, THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY IS GOING TO SKYROCKET.
NOW THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ROAD RIGHT NOW.
I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT THE VALUE OF ANYBODY, IF THEY DECIDE AT ANY POINT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE LOWER THAN IT IS TODAY.
WITH THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING IN THERE.
I WISH I COULD BUY IT AT THE PRICE IT IS TODAY AND SELL IT OR WHAT IT WOULD BE WORTH 10 YEARS FROM NOW, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A DOWNSIDE.
I THINK THAT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF IS AN UPSIDE.
IT HAS NO BEARING ON ANYTHING ELSE YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT'S JUST THAT PROPERTY VALUE LOSS.
AND YOU GOT AN OPEN-MINDED BOARD UP HERE.
WE'RE NOT, WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION, WE'RE LISTENING, BUT I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY'S PROPERTY DROPPING IN VALUE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE DOWN THE STREET ARE STARTING TO BUILD $300,000 HOUSE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THAT ONE LITTLE FACET CONCERNING ME ABOUT WHAT I WAS HEARING.
ANYBODY ELSE SEE OR AGAINST IT? OKAY.
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MEXICAN IMPORTS.NO RAISE OUR PROPERTY TAXES OVER THERE.
NO, NO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE CITY.
IT'S NOT IN THE CITY AND WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN ANNEXING.
ANY OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WE WERE ASKED TO THE NEXT STEP, BUT I'M SIMPLY SAYING COMMON SENSE TELLS YOU THAT WHEN THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT COMES IN DOWN THE ROAD, YOUR PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE WORTH MORE.
IF YOU DECIDED TO SELL IT, IF YOU DON'T DECIDE TO SELL IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
BUT I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY'S PROPERTY GOING DOWN IN VALUE BECAUSE THE GOLF COURSE AND THE HOUSES ARE BUILT.
WELL, I'VE GOT CHILLING THE SUBJECT.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP IN VALUE OVER THERE, HALF THE BANK.
I THOUGHT YOU WAS A SPECIALIST IN THAT KIND OF STUFF.
COME UP HERE TO SPEAK BECAUSE I HADN'T SPOKEN ON MY OWN TIME AND GOD KNOWS I WAS UP TO SPEED.
THEY PRETTY WELL COVERED, BASICALLY WHAT I REALLY WAS GOING TO SAY, BUT I STILL
IF WE DO CLOSE THAT REALLY BACK THERE POSSIBLY POSSIBLY POSSIBLY GIVE UP OUR LIFE.
THAT WILL BE A, I WEAR A RAGGEDY CLOTHES.
CORRECT? UM, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE ONE AT THE METAL LOAD.
YOU CAN'T SAY
UH, DAN WHO'S PAYING FOR PAVING THAT PARAMETER RIGHT AROUND THE EDGE.
AND WHEN IT'S PAID OR WHO WILL THE ROAD BELONG TO? TAX PAYERS? YOU MEAN WE'RE GETTING THE PAY ROAD FOR NOTHING.
I GUESS YOU CAN ARGUE TWO WAYS AND THIS, LET ME ASK, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR COMPLETION OF THIS ROAD? SO IN THE INTERIM PERIOD, IF WE COME TO THE STORE, THEN WE ARE HOUSE ON THAT ROAD AND HE COULD, AS THEY SAY, POSSIBLY SAY, IF THEY WANT IT TO NOT WORK, THAT PEOPLE COULDN'T COME FROM, BUT SAY I WAS A GUY GETS UP HERE NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ASK HIM ALL THAT STUFF AND THEN LET HIM ANSWER.
LIKE I SAID UP, COME UP, ANTIBODY LEFT AGAINST ANYBODY LEFT AGAINST ONE PHONE, NOT AGAINST.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK FOR IT BEFORE WE GET THE WEYERHAEUSER REPRESENTATIVE THAT LEO TO EXPLAIN SOME THINGS.
UM, JOHN HARDY, UH, REPRESENT PARTY FARM, WHICH IS THE OTHER END.
UH, BOY, UH, I LOOKED AT 27, 11.
THERE'S A FROM SECTION WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING, UH, OFF, DOWN THE BOTTOM TO THIRD ROAD, THERE'S 5, 6, 7 HOUSES.
UH, WE OWN ALL THE TWO OF THOSE.
WE AS A WHOLE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO STOP THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING THROUGH THERE NOW.
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UM, WHICH THE GUY FROM WAREHOUSE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SHIRT.UH, THE CAR DEALERSHIPS OVER THE YEARS, I LIVED THERE ALL MY LIFE.
MY FATHER OWNED THE FARM SINCE THE LATE FIFTIES.
UH, WE OWN BOTH SIDES OF OLD AIRPORT WITH THE RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO COME IN AND SURFACE THAT BACK IN WORLD WAR TWO, OVER FOR ANOTHER ACCESS TO AN AIRPORT IN CASE CHECKPOINT GOT BOMB.
UM, WE ARE, LIKE I SAID, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE ROAD CLOSURE, TO AN EXTENT IT'S MORE SLOW TRAFFIC.
THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH THERE NOW, UH, WE'VE PROBABLY OVER THE YEARS AT 2030 DOGS KILLED, WE'VE HAD COWS KILLED, ALMOST BEEN KILLED.
MY FATHER'S ALMOST BEEN KILLED, UH, OUR NEIGHBOR'S DOGS AND BEEN KILLED EIGHT OUT OF 10 CARS THAT COME THROUGH.
THERE ARE DOINGS IN EXCESS OF 75 MILES, AN HOUR, EASILY, EIGHT OUT OF 10 CARS DEALERSHIPS GO OUT THERE AND TEST DRIVE EVERY ONE OF YOUR CARS.
THEY GO OUT OF THEIR FLOOR AND ENJOY IT.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE ARE HOLES IN THAT ROAD, FROM THE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON THAT ARE DEEPER THAN A CAR IN SOME PLACES.
AND THEY'RE STILL DOING 75 MILES AN HOUR THROUGH THERE.
AND THESE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ARE OUT THERE ON THE HIGHWAY AND THIS AREA, WHICH THEY WANT TO CLOSE OFF.
THERE'S THOSE GENTLEMEN, ROADS, CARS, AND ROADS TRUCKS ON THE ROAD.
AND THIS PEOPLE DO IT STILL DOING 70 MILES AN HOUR.
I'M WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO GET KILLED.
I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE BEEPER TO GO OFF AND SOMEBODY BEING KILLED OUT THERE, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IT CAN TAKE YOU AROUND, UH, BACK IN.
WE'LL LIKE HERE, TODD, UH, BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, IT WAS A BRIDGE, AN OLD WOODEN BRIDGE.
AND THEN THEY PAVED OVER AND WOULD, UH, WHEN THE STATE DUG THAT UP, THEY GAVE US THE OPTION TO CLOSE THAT ROAD.
SO WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE DISCUSSING THIS.
THERE WOULD BE NO DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE SAT ON THE BUS, SO TO SPEAK AND THEY WENT AHEAD AND PUT THE TILES IN THERE.
AND NOW WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS.
UH, THERE'S MUCH BENEFIT TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WHOLE THING JUST FLOWS, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE THIS
WE'VE GOT AGAIN, THE WHOLE FARM.
UM, AND WE CAN ALLOW COWS ACROSS THE ROAD AND DOGS AND WE CAN CROSS THE ROAD WITHOUT BEING AFRAID FOR OUR LIVES OUT THERE.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHITMAN CLOSING IS IT'S NOT THESE DEALERSHIPS AREN'T EVEN GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME IN ACCESS THE ROAD RIGHT NOW, JUST BE CLOSED OFF.
AS WE CONSTRUCTION EMERGENCY VEHICLES ONLY I'VE TALKED TO MR. DOWNEY FROM WEYERHAEUSER AND THAT AREA IS GOING THAT ROAD'S GOING TO BE LEFT THERE.
UM, ALL IT IS IS BECAUSE IT'S, SO YOU HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN THE CENTER OF IT.
IF YOU DRIVING IN YOUR LANE, YOU ALL HAVE, UM, IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, WHICH IS A STATE RIGHT NOW IS JUST AS BAD, BUT HEY, IT, WELL, IT SLOWS A FEW OF THE CARS DOWN THERE.
CAUSE THEN YOU GO BACK AND BOUNCE IN IT.
BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT FOR, OR AGAINST ACTUALLY I GUESS SAID, I'D LIKE TO SAY THE WHOLE THING TORE UP AND BE DONE WITH IT.
WE HAVE A PRIVACY ISSUE DOWN THERE.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN FOR WEYERHAEUSER.
IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN FOR US, UH, BEING AT THE ROAD IS IN SUCH POOR CONDITION, INCLUDING THE FRONT OF OUR HOUSE WITH THESE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH THERE AND THESE CARS FLYING AND HITTING THE HALL.
AND I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SOME KIND OF AIRBORNE AND I'M WAITING FOR ONE TO COME THROUGH MY HOUSE.
UM, AND WITH GOING AHEAD AND DOING THIS, THAT'S GOING TO STOP LET'S DEALERSHIP WHILE THEY COME BACK, THERE WILL BE GOING OUT EVERYBODY'S ON HIGHWAY 70, MAYBE YOU'LL COP TO CATCH THEM MAYBE.
UH, BUT, UH, AND EVERYBODY'S SPOKE ABOUT RECREATION AREAS.
PAUL'S HOUSE THAT HASN'T EVEN STARTED DEVELOPMENT.
I'M SURE THESE ROADS IS PROBABLY HALF OF THESE HOUSES WILL BE BUILT BY THE TIME THAT STARTS.
UH, SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EMERGENCY ISSUE ON THAT PART.
UM, THE, UH, I THINK THE BIG THING IS, IS A SAFETY CONCERN.
UM, AND ROBIN, WHICH IS GOING TO GET UP THERE AND SPEAK AFTER ME, ROBIN LAND SHE'S CONCERNED WITH THE ROAD FROM RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE IS ONE BIGGEST HALT ON THE STATE SIDE.
AND SHE'S CONCERNED WITH, WHAT'S GOING TO GO ON WITH THAT.
WHEN SHE SAYS SHE'S CALLED A STATE CALLED THE STATE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING, UM, WHICH IS TYPICAL, WE'VE HAD THAT PROBLEM BEFORE,
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BUT THAT'S PART OF, I UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPMENT.YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ISSUE.
UH, MY FATHER WAS GOING TO COME TONIGHT, BUT THERE'S NO SENSE OF BOTH OF US COMING, BUT HE WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE ADAMANT ON JUST SHUTTING IT DOWN.
HE WANTS TO TILE DUG UP, MUST BE BACK THERE BY HIMSELF.
AND, UH, FOR ALL THE DEALERS CAME OUT AND STARTED FLYING THROUGH THERE.
UH, BUT QUITE HONESTLY, AS LONG AS, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN THAT THEY'VE GOT IS EXCELLENT.
AND WITH KEEPING THAT ROAD THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP THAT RIGHT THERE BECAUSE ONCE I'M SURE IT, ONCE THEY PAY, THIS IS A NEW SESSION AND I CAN WALK THIS TRUCKS GOING ON THAT NEW ROAD, DO IT THE SAME THING IT'S DONE TO OUR ROAD AS BIG CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS, BIG TANDEM AXLE, WHICH IS TORE IT UP.
SO THAT ROAD IS GOING TO EXIST AND FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
UM, AND AS A PARAMEDIC, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO, I MEAN, IF NOTHING ELSE, WE DO HAVE HELICOPTERS FROM EAST CARE.
UH, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S GOING EXCESSIVE, BUT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRAIN WRECK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOWN HERE ANYWAYS.
MY CONCERN IS I AM NOT AGAINST IT.
I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE PLATE WITH, UM,
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FOR, OR AGAINST IT? ALL RIGHT.
MR. DOWNEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN THIS FROM
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UM, UH, FOR BIRTH CONTROL, THE TRAFFIC FLOWAND FOR WHAT PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE TRAFFIC, UH, TRY TO CONTROL THE ACCESS
LET LET'S TAKE THE MAN FIRST OFF THE SAFETY ISSUE, LET'S JUST GO DOWN THE LIST.
WE CAN'T DO A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO CUT OFF JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
MAYBE THEY GOT TO CUT IT OFF, BUT WE DON'T CUT IT OFF AND THAT'S JUST IT SWITCH ON.
BUT HOW ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUE? WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE? WELL, LET ME, LET ME MAKE IT
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A WORST CASE THAT IS NOW IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.CAUSE WE ANNEXED, RIGHT? THAT IS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE NEW ZEALAND POLICE.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN SLOW PEOPLE NOW ON THAT ROAD AND WE'LL CALL THAT WORST CASE BEST CASE DEPENDING ON YOUR VIEWPOINT.
SO, UH, WE CAN PUT A COP OUT THERE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE THING IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE WE TAKE A SINGLE STEP THAT WE INSURED IT, PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS BY EMERGENCY FEE.
AND THAT MEANS UNDER THE, UNLIKE WHAT I'VE LEARNED IN MY OWN BUSINESS, THINGS LIKE THE 80 20 RULE AND MURPHY'S LAW AND ALL THAT, AND THAT SAYS, THIS ONLY HAPPEN IF A TRAIN CRASHES, WELL, THE TRAIN WILL CRASH AND IT'LL PROVE TO THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW? SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WANT TO HEAR WHAT, WHAT YOU WOULD SUGGEST OR WHAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE COULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH TO ENSURE THAT EMERGENCY VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH THERE UNTIL THE SECOND TIME THAT THAT LEGAL COMPLETED.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT THE PLAN? OR DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN MIND? DANNY? DO YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? ARE YOU SCRATCHING? YOUR HEAD COULD OKAY.
BUT YOU WOULD BE AS WEYERHAEUSER'S AGENT, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS BEFORE WE OKAY.
AND, AND ISSUE IS REALLY IN MY MIND, THEY GOT ME FOR A MINUTE.
LOOK DOWN HERE AND YOU SEE THE
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO RESEARCH IT, BUT I THINK HERE WOULD THE TRUE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT AS A POSSIBILITY WE CAN DO SOMETHING.
AND I SAID HOW THE AIR FORCE LAID OFF MR. WARD, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT I THINK YOU ARE DANNY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SECTION OF THE ROAD THAT WAS CLOSED ON THE MANDATE FROM THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES TO CLOSE AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY.
BUT BASICALLY IT DID TIE IN IN SOME WAY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE RATHER DIFFICULT TO GET IT OPEN FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES OR ANYTHING ELSE.
UH
UH, I GUESS YOU WOULDN'T SAY IN FACT, BECAUSE IT WAS STILL OPEN TO BE OPEN TO TRUCKS AND CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THE ROADS ARE PHYSICALLY STILL GOING TO BE THERE.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING THE GENERAL PUBLIC SHOULD NOT BE TRAVERSING THE ROAD BECAUSE OF SAFETY REASONS AND CONSTRUCTION AND THE CONSIDERATIONS AND ALL THAT.
SO IN FACT, EMERGENCY VEHICLE RECOGNIZE AND SIDE LIGHT ON FLASH, INSIGHTFUL.
IT SHOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM GOING THROUGH THAT.
AND SHOULDN'T BE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET STRAIGHT AS TO WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE OR WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE TOO MANY, IF IT'S BARRICADED ONE POINT, I THINK THE LADY WAS MAKING THE ZIP IS BARRICADED WITH A COUPLE OF POINTS, BUT ONE OF THEM BEING PHYSICALLY BARRICADE, YOU GOT TO LEAVE THE BARRICADE TO GET BACK AND FORTH AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO I GUESS WE'LL HERE BUT THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND CLOSING IS TO ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP IT IN AN ORDERLY AND SAFE FASHION.
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THEY ARE EVENTUALLYI, TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO ME, I REMEMBER THE BOARD, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION MIGHT BE CLOSING THE ROAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
CITY CLOSING ALL TOGETHER, UH, TO ALL A MOTOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC EXCEPT EMERGENCY VEHICLES LEAVING IN OPEN TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, LEAVING IT OPEN TO HORSE-DRAWN TRAFFIC AND POSTPONE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE.
CLOSING THAT STREET UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THOSE TWO LOOPS ARE PAVED AND TURNED OVER TO THE CITY SO THAT THE SUBSTRATE WOULD NOT BE CLOSED COMPLETELY UNTIL THE BAROMETER STREETS, EAST ABBOTT BAY AND OF THE CITY STREETS.
WHAT ABOUT THE SAFETY FACTOR? THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
WHAT ABOUT THE SAFETY FACTOR NOW? YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, WHAT MR. DONALD WAS SAYING IS THAT, UH, WITH ALL THE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, THAT THAT ROAD WAS NEVER OPEN.
IT, IT MIGHT SUBJECT TO DESTINED TO AN UNREASONABLE RISK OF HARM, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK AND FORTH UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD, I THINK.
IS THAT, WHAT IS, IS THERE A SAFETY FACTOR INVOLVED ALSO?
HOW MUCH OF A PROBLEM DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE TAILORED? LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT IS, UH, THAT THE LOWER LOOP WOULD HAVE BEEN.
WHAT IS YOUR ESTIMATE WHEN IT WOULD BE PAID WITHIN 60 DAYS? OKAY.
WAYNE, COULD YOU STAND? I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON ROADS THAT WERE DIRT AND THEN THEY PUT ROCK ON OR WHATEVER, AND THEN LATER PIPE THEM, BUT THEY NEVER CLOSED THEM.
YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC WENT UP AND DOWN THEM ON THE ROCK SIDE WHILE THEY PAY THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS AND THAT WHEN WOULD BE THE SOON THAT YOU COULD ALLOW TRAFFIC, EVEN IF IT WAS LANE, WE'LL JUST TRACK BEFORE YOU PAID OR WOULD YOU WAIT UNTIL YOU PAID IT BEFORE YOU'LL OUT ANY TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER AND THAT'LL BE TRAFFIC.
I THINK ANYBODY WOULD GO AROUND THE MAIN SITE SAY YEARS OR WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO DRIVE THEM DOWN, BUT, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BACK THERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT THE ONES THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM TONIGHT WOULD THAT, WOULD YOU WANT TO WAIT THE FULL 60 DAYS OR WOULD IT BE SOMETHING LESS THAN 60 DAYS? SO YOU'D HAVE THAT.
HOW ABOUT THE ONE ON TOP? THAT'S THE REST OF THE LOOP? BUT WHEN WOULD IT, WHEN WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DRIVE? I MEAN, COMPLETE MEANS PAID.
YES, BUT YOU WOULDN'T STILL BE ABLE TO DRIVE ON IT UNTIL SOMEWHERE NEAR THAT NINE MONTHS, I HAVE AN EIGHT, NINE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.
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SO YOU STILL LOOKING IT ROUGHLY IN THE FALL? NO AMOUNT OF WATER MAN ON THAT APPLE.UM,
THE PEOPLE ON THE BOTTOM COULD GO UP AROUND THAT LOOP AND GET OUT IN END BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE CENTER PART.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OR NOT A POSSIBILITY, BUT WE WILL HAVE EMERGENCY TRAFFIC UP THE METAL UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT YOU EVEN PAID THE TOP IS ALLOWED TO GO AROUND THE TOP.
AND THEN THE LAST THING LEFT IS THE HORSES AND SOMEBODY MAN, MISS THAT, MR. WARD SAID THAT YOU MIGHT LEAVE IT OPEN AT TWO FOOT OR HORSE TRAFFIC
IS THAT IT'S A TWO-STEP PROCESS COULD NOT BE ASKED TO BE A RESOLUTION IN EFFECT.
THIS PORTION OF POWELL ROAD IS CONCERNED UNDER THE STATIC CONTROL AND THAT COULD BE DONE.
AND THEN IT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO PUT A DIFFERENT EFFECTIVE DATE ORDINANCE, CLOSING THIS PORTION.
SO BE SURE THAT, UH, REIKO DOES WHAT IT SAYS.
IT'S GONE AND NOT CLOSED TILL THEY GET THIS BLOOP ROAD PANT FINISH.
WE CAN CAUSE ALL THOSE THINGS GREAT.
AND HARDSHIP ON Y'ALL AND YOUR CONSTRUCTION.
MAY I HAVE A MOVIE CALLED THE PUB HERE AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS IN SEC WHEN THE DISCUSSION EVERYBODY HAS SPOKEN PLAYS IN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, OR DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE YOU WANTED TO? YEAH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MOTION MIMICKING, WHATEVER.
NOW COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT YOU MAKE A MOVIE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BE DIRECTED TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION CLOSE THIS SEGMENT OF HOW ROAD TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE.
NOT GIVE YOU
LET HIM FINISH THE MOTION, DON.
YOU GET THIS COMPETITORS AGAIN.
AND THAT THE CLOSING SEGMENT OF HOW ROSELAND HAS BEEN ADVERTISED AND ABOUT WHICH THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC HEARING BE MODIFIED SO THAT ITS EFFECTIVE DATE WILL COME AFTER THE COMPLETION AND ACCEPTANCE BY THE CITY OF THE TWO SEGMENTS OF THE PARAMETER ROAD, INDEPENDENT BREAST IN THE NIGHT.
SO IT'S BEEN SAID IN FACT THAT THEY SENT IT BACK TO US WHEN IT COMES ABOUT WE CAN COME WITH RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT CLOSING THE ROAD AT THIS TIME.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED A ROLL CALL ON THIS.
NOW LET'S SEE WHAT THE NEXT THING IS.
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WELL, NOT NECESSARILY I WOULD MESS THE BEST AWARD.WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN? YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO I THANK GOD.
WHAT THE BOARD HAS DONE AS TO ADOPT MOTION THAT WAS MADE TO DIRECT ME AS A CITY ATTORNEY TO, FOR MAY RESOLUTION, BY WHICH THIS PORTION OF HOW ROAD WOULD BE CLOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, IT WOULD REMAIN OPEN TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND HORSE-DRAWN TRAFFIC OR RIDE A HORSE BACK RIDING ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD CLUB BY WHICH THE CITY BOARD WOULD CLOSE THIS SEGMENT OF OUR ROAD THAT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED AND ABOUT WHAT THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE MODIFIED SO THAT IT WOULD NOT BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL AFTER THE BAROMETER ROADS, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN AT RASHED, WHICH ON THE FLOOR, RIGHT HAND SIDE AND THE UPPER RIGHT HAND SIDE HAVE BEEN PAVED AND TURNED OVER TO THE CITY AND ACCEPTED BY THE CITY FOR MAINTENANCE SO THAT OUR ROAD WOULD REMAIN OPEN TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIAN AND HORSEBACK RIDING DURING THIS PERIOD.
AND LET ME REMIND YOU NOW THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT WHILE IT'S OPEN IN THE METAL FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, HORSEBACK RIDING, ET CETERA, THE BOTTOM LOOP WILL BE PAID.
HE SAYS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE EFFECT, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT UNTIL THE BOTTOM LOOP IS PAID.
THAT MEANS THE PEOPLE DOWN ON THE LOWER END CAN DRIVE UP, GO AROUND AND LOOP AND GET OUT PEOPLE ON THE UPPER END CAN COME IN AND OUT THE SAME WAY THEY HAVE BECAUSE THE APPLE, ONE'S NOT GOING TO BE PAID UNTIL THE FALL.
BUT THE ANSWER TO THE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THEM IS STILL UP TO HOW IT'S GOING TO REMAIN OPEN TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO THAT IF SOMETHING THAT TRAIN WRECK HAPPENED TO WHATEVER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THAT YOU'RE NOT SHUT OFF.
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE, SO IT WASN'T EASY, BUT WE DID THE BEST WE COULD.
SO ANYWAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.
NEXT THAT IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ON THE TJ.
MA'AM THIS IS THE, WHAT IS THAT? THE DJ FOR WHICH IT DIDN'T SPECIFY.
CAUSE WE HAD SOMETHING ELSE DOWN HERE.
THAT'S WHEN HE IS KNEE ROCKY RUN ISSUE.
NOW IS THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN OR WAS IT, DID WE CLOSE IT THE LAST TIME? I THINK WE DID.
WE JUST POSTPONED THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL NOW.
DIDN'T MEAN WE, I THOUGHT WE JUST POSTPONE THE VOTE AND THE PUBLIC HERE HAS ALREADY.
CONSIDERING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, THEY'VE JUST WHAT WE JUST SAID.
THINK, UH, PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED, BUT IF THERE'S A REP, I WOULD MAKE SUGGEST THAT IF THERE IS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE ROCKY RUN AREA THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT BECAUSE WE DID GET AN OPPORTUNITY FOR 30 DAYS TO MEET AND THEN COME BACK WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEN WE VOTE.
BUT THIS, WITH THE PUBLIC HERE, IT HAD ALREADY CLOSED ON THE LAST MEETING.
WE JUST, WE JUST ELIMINATED THE VOTE.
UH, SOMEBODY CALLED A DAY AND ASKED ME IF I WOULD LET THEM ONES.
I BELIEVE THIS IS RIGHT FROM MEMORY THAT WERE AGAINST IT.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? IS THAT GENTLEMAN IN HERE? OKAY.
SO WITH ANY IS ANYBODY THAT'S FOR IT OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.
YOU SPOKE LAST TIME, SO YOU, BUT ANYWAY, YOU'RE HERE.
I LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE I LET THE ONE OR ONES IN THIS CASE.
SPOKESMAN OR SPOKESMAN OR WHATEVER.
DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK FOR IT OR JUST MAKE US AWARE? DID YOU ARE AFFORD? OKAY.
I COULD JUST STAND UP OUT OF OPPOSITION AND SPORTS AGAINST HER.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD JUST HAVE THOSE WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF ETA, JADE TO STAND UP AND TELL US WHERE YOU LIVE.
MARBLE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, WHAT ROAD OR WHATEVER.
AND YOU ASKED MIAMI, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? I SAY SAME ANDREAS.
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YOU ALL BEFORE IT WHAT'S WHAT? A DRESS.AND REMEMBER WE TRY AND RECALL WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME.
WE HEARD ALL KINDS OF FOLKS AGAINST IT AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND WE HAD ASKED THEM, I A FOLKS CHOOSE A SPOKESMAN OR WHATEVER TO GET TOGETHER, TO TALK ABOUT IT AND ALL THAT KIND OF BUSINESS.
WE HAD A NIGHT, YOU HAVE US THE FINAL SYNOPSIS.
SO WAS THERE A SPOKESMAN ELECTED OR AND, UH, AND ALL THE IDEAL AT TWO 60.
AND I WANT TO EXPLAIN SOME THINGS THAT SOME AMOUNT OF UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'D BE SITTING MY HEART AND, UH, EXPLAIN IT AS QUICK AS I CAN.
FIRST OF ALL, THE RECOMMENDATION TO WHAT THE ROBERT BOSCH, WHOA, THEY'RE IN THE COMMUNITY, NEAR THE COMMUNITY WHERE I LIVE, WHAT WE FEEL LIKE FAMILY'S HOME AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO LEAD AND WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO SOMEWHERE.
AND THIS IS ALL IN THE NAME OF PROBLEMS IN FROM 1910 AND 1910 BLACK FARM OWNED 3 MILLION, LET'S SAY 15, 15, LIKE 15 MILLION.
WHERE DID THE OTHER WENT TO? YOU GOT TO TALK TO A PROPHECY.
AND I HAD MY F UH, FOR MY BOYS AND TO SPEAK JUST A FEW SECONDS AND SIT DOWN WHEN WE ARRESTED FOR OUR FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF MY CHILDREN, THE YOUNGEST OF WHICH IS EIGHT YEARS OLD.
WHEN, WHY AMERICA NEEDED SOMEONE TO GET OFF STEAM ON MAXIMUM WHEN WHITE AMERICA NEEDED SOMEONE TO
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TRIP BACK SO THAT THEY WOULD FEEL MORE SUPPORTED WHEN, WHY THE MIRROR AND I NEEDED SOMEONE TO LYNCH, THIS IS ALL HISTORY.WE HATE TO HEAR IT, BUT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
WE WEREN'T THERE 19 18, 10 YEARS, 10 YEARS, ONE DECADE OF 18, 18 HOURS ALONE, LAX.
AND THAT THING TO APRIL MONTH AROUND FIGURE A HUNDRED YEAR, ONE DAY, THIS IS TRUE.
AND YOU SAY, BEAR WITH ME, BUT HOW, HOW IS THIS RELATING TO EAT T J AND I MEAN, I MEAN, WE COULD GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENED YEARS AGO.
I KNOW WE CAN DO THAT RIM BROWN, BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW THE ISSUE IS HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT YOU.
AND YOU HAD TALKING ABOUT NUMBER SIX, A ROAD YOU'RE TELLING ME A ROAD GOING THROUGH SOMEWHERE IS GOING TO TAKE BLACK PROPERTIES.
IF THE ROAD IS POSSIBLY ALREADY PLOTTED A PLANET LIKE THIS, SAY, UH, LET'S GET TO THE POINT.
RIGHT? LET'S GET TO THE POINT OF WHY YOU DON'T WANT ETJ.
AND, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AGAINST YOU.
I'M NOT GETTING, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH A LONG, DRAWN OUT THING.
AND THAT LONG DRAWN OUT THING WITH DONE A MONTH AGO.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TELLING US YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THAT'S IT.
YOU ARE THE POSITION, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
WE ARE, WE ARE, WE LOSING YOUNG PEOPLE WILL SEE.
AND WE PLEASE UP TO, TO HERE, DON'T TURN THOSE INTO A CITY.
WE'LL SEE WHERE WE FIND THAT WE HAPPY.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF I HELP JESSE THE ONE, THE WRONG WAY I LEAVE OFF THE, WE HAVE A PETITION IT'S ALREADY SIGNED
DOES SHE HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER BEYOND WHAT SHE SAID LAST TIME? IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE BET.
IS THIS SOMETHING NEW MAYOR? I KNOW.
I, YOU KNOW, I'LL REPEAT AGAIN.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED.
THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE TO
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COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION YOU'RE RIGHT NOW.AND THEN WITH WHAT MRS. SIMMONS IS PRESENTING HERE.
I COULD SIT HERE AND ARGUE THE FIRST FIVE POINTS AND ARGUE WITH HIM ALL NIGHT.
AND THIS PROVE WHAT IS ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER, BUT THAT'S NOT MY JOB TODAY.
WE HAVE ARGUED THE POINT, MR. SIMMONS WE'VE ARGUED A POINT TIME AND TIME AGAIN, YOU HAD 30 DAYS TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED.
AND IF YOU'RE BRINGING MORE PEOPLE BACK TO DISCUSS, DO A DON'T DO IT.
THE PLACE PLACES FOR ONE REPRESENTATIVE TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT RECOMMENDATION AND MR. SAM WAS, YOU KNOW, AND THE THING IS THAT YOU'VE GOT ON HERE.
LET ME, LET ME SAY ONE THING, MAYOR FOR FALL STOP.
IT SAYS THINGS WE REALIZE COULD HAPPEN, THAT WE FEEL WILL NOT HAPPEN.
IF ANY ARE ATTEMPTED, WE WILL ALSO FIGHT THEM TOOTH AND NAIL.
MR. SAMMONS LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY.
ONE THING YOU SAY YOU WILL ALSO FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LAWS ON THE BOOK TO HELP YOU FIGHT IT, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WIN.
PLUS YOU REMEMBER MR. PAUL, HIM, HE VOTED TO CONTINUE THIS AMOUNT OF FOUR YEARS.
HE THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK HERE IN GOOD FAITH TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
BUT YOU, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS YOU'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, AND YOUR ARGUMENTS HERE ARE AREN'T EVEN VALID BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT, IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
NO, MY WIFE, WELL, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT WE AGREED TO.
WAIT, WE AGREED THAT NUMBER ONE.
I THOUGHT WE ALL AGREED THAT WE POSTPONE THE THING ONE MORE TIME, WHICH WE DID.
WE CALLED YOU ALL WANTED MORE TIME TO GET AMONG YOURSELVES, DISCUSS IT SOME MORE.
TALK ABOUT IT, SOME MORE REACH, ONE VOICE.
IF YOU WILL, SAM, A SPOKESMAN BACK TO SAY, AFTER ALL OF OUR DISCUSSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE ARE STILL AGAINST IT.
WE DECIDED WE WERE FOR IT ALL THE WAY UP WITH IT WITH RESERVATION OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND WE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY IN ADVANCE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, IN FACT, I'VE BEEN THE MAYOR FOR TWO YEARS AND WE'VE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER DONE ONE OPEN, OPEN MY BEFORE TO GIVE PEOPLE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK.
WE'RE NOT GIVING PEOPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK.
CAUSE EVERY SOUL IS SPOKEN MORE THAN ONCE I WANT TO DO THIS.
MY ANSWER TO THAT WAS THEY SAID IT WASN'T UNDERSTOOD REVEREND WAYNE, RIGHT? REPRESENTATIVE WAYNE WRIGHT CAME UP, ASKED FOR IT TO BE DELAYED.
WE AGREED TO DELAY IT FOR 30 DAYS.
AND IF YOU HOLD A MEETING, LET US KNOW.
STAFF WILL BE THERE TO EXPLAIN AND BRING AND, AND CLARIFY ANY LIVES OR ANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT WERE IN AVAIL.
STAFF CONTACTED OUR STAFF WITH THAT CONTACTED
WE FEEL THAT WE DO UNDERSTAND
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MS. MS. DONNA.I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SIMILAR, BUT WHEN YOU COME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND YOU'RE PRESENTING TO THIS BOARD INFORMATION, THAT IS NOT CORRECT, THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN PASSED OUT, POSSIBLY IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
THEN THERE'S POSSIBILITY THAT SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT IT ARE STILL NOT GETTING THE TRUTH.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ALLOWED YOU TO 30 DAYS, CALL OUR STEP TO EXPLAIN TO THEM YOU HAVE HERE.
THERE ARE NO BILLBOARDS SIGNS IN ROCKY RUN.
THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO DO ETJ.
THE REASON THAT IF ETJ WAS THERE AS A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY WOULD NEVER BE VIEWABLE ASSIGNED, THAT WILL HELP DO IT.
THE OTHER THING, IF THERE ARE NO TRAILER PARKS IN ROCKY ROAD, FINE, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ETJ OR SOMETHING IN PLACE, THERE COULD BE TRAILER PARKS IN ROCKY WOODS.
THE THINGS YOU GOT HERE, MR. SELMA'S.
YOU KEEP SAYING THAT AND I'LL KEEP TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT WITHOUT ANY LAW, WITHOUT SOMETHING TO HELP YOU GET ROCKY RUN, HELP.
THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING IN PLACE.
ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN CAME AND SAID, HE WANTS RECORD, RUN, REMAIN THE SAME.
YOU CANNOT KEEP AN AREA REMAINING TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO SUPPORT YOU AS A LAW, YOUR NEIGHBOR CAN SELL THIS PROPERTY TOMORROW TO ANYONE HE WANTS TO.
AND THAT PERSON CAN PUT ANYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY.
WHAT IF THE PROPERTY PERKS, HE COULD PUT A SEPARATE TANG ON, GOT A COUNTY, DOESN'T HAVE SOMETHING TO PROTECT YOU.
NOW, HOW SIMPLE CAN IT BE IF YOU WANT YOUR PROPERTY TO REMAIN THE SAME? YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING OR PURPOSEFUL WOULD BE SERVED BY CONTINUING THESE OR THESE HEARINGS.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND NOTE AND NOTE THE OBJECTIONS, ALL THOSE WERE ON THE PETITION NOTE, THE OBJECTION OF MR. SIMMONS AND NOTE THE OBJECTIONS, ALL THOSE WHO ARE HERE IN OPPOSITION OF HE'S SPOKEN.
THERE'S NOTHING CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY ANY FURTHER HERE THAT MAY EXPLAIN THE LAW.
I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THIS, PLEASE, PLEASE UNDERSTAND.
AND THIS IS A HUMBLING EXPERIENCE.
I PASS BY THE, THE, UH, I'VE TOLD THIS BEFORE, BUT I PASSED BY THE VOLT ONE NIGHT AND VICKI AND DON WERE LOOKING AT SOME STUFF IN THERE.
AND INSIDE OF IT IS THE MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS OF THE ALDERMAN TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 17 HUNDREDS.
AND, AND EVEN THE MEETINGS OF US, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
AND GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE FOUR, HERE'S A PAGE.
IT IS THE OFFICIAL RECORD OF WHAT TAKES PLACE IN THESE MEETINGS IS HOW WE ABIDE BY THE LAW AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
AND GUESS WHAT IT HAPPENED IN THE LAST MEETING, SHE UNDERLINED AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED COMMA ALLAMAN PANELED AND MADE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE VOTE ON THIS ISSUE FOR ONE MONTH.
SO I CAN GET MY ALDERMAN PAR HAM.
THE POINT IS THAT WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CLOSED.
SO I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU SAID, IF YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK TO, AND SOME OF THEM WANTED ME TO, DON'T LET YOUR HAVE SOME DOGS UP AND DOING WHATEVER, BUT, BUT IN DEFERENCE EXPLAINING TO YOU THAT THE LAW, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THE PUB HERE AND WE'VE CLOSED IT.
AND JUST, I GUESS GOES, I'M THE MAYOR.
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE THREE MINUTES IF YOU'LL PROMISE ME THAT WHEN THE THREE MINUTES IS UP AND NOW I JUST WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN TREATED FAIRLY AS FAR AS BEING HEARD, HEARD AGAIN AND OVERHEARD OR UNDER HER.
WELL, I CAN'T MUZZLE ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY A WORD FOR THREE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT THEY Y'ALL GOTTA WORK.
SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET, AND AFTER THREE MINUTES, YOU GOING TO CALL FOR THE EMOTIONAL, MY QUESTION TO CLOSE THIS, DON SECOND, WE'LL ASK YOU TO GIVE US WHY YOUR COUSIN ON THIS ISSUE.
THE 14TH AMENDMENT SAYS NO PERSON WITH A JURISDICTION NON-STATE SHOULD NOT EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW.
THE NORTH CAROLINA STATUTE THAT ALLOWS CITIZENS TO TAKE LAND INTO THEIR ETJ
THE FACE 14 MEN, THE PRICE OF FREEDOM
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IS ETERNAL GOOD IN A WAR, A NATION LOSE, ALL GETS RID OF.AND ONE BACK IN CASE A NATION CAN LOSE ITS FREEDOMS. ONE FRIEND AT A TIME LIKE THIS ISSUE OF ETJ ASKED ME TO SIT ON THE NEW AND WATER ASS DUDE TO SIT ON THE NEWMAN BORDER BOTTOM, TO TAKE A HEROES, STAND AGAINST INFRINGEMENTS OF AFRICA.
MR. SIMMONS WAS ELECTED ABOUT RUN.
THE MANAGER REP REPRESENT ALONG WITH OTHERS, ROCKY'S RUNNING STAMP A NEW TO TEACH IT.
THIS ISN'T MEANT TO BE LEFT WITH HIM BECAUSE IT'S NOT MOVING ROCK.
YOUR MIND HAS BROUGHT IT TO SELECT ANYONE TO REPRESENT MR. SCOTT WITH REPRESENTATIVE THEM.
YOU TJ REGRETTABLY, APPARENTLY MARY, WOULD YOU SPOKE TO THE GROUP END WITHOUT THE RECORDS, WITHOUT THE DIRECTNESS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL.
THERE ARE NO MINUTES INDICATE THAT THE COUNTY COUNCIL RIVERBEND DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF BAR RICHARD CONSENSUS ON THE ISSUE OR DISCUSS THE PUBLIC HERE.
MR. RICHARDS, PARTIAL OPINIONS COMES AROUND AND YOU CAN SEE TJ.
IS IT A CONSENSUS THAT THE DUES RIBBON BAN AND MORE, UM, HE REQUESTED EVEN STRICTER ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAN THOSE PROPOSED A NEW TRIANGLE ON PAGE 25.
THEN NEXT SESSION, THE MAYOR STATED THAT THE MATTER WAS BEING PUT OFF THE CITIZENS OF THE WATER FROM AIR
I'M SUPPOSED TO PERSONS HAVE WELL WHAT'S OBJECTIONS SET, BUT THEY HAVE RECEIVED NO RESPONSE.
SOMETIMES IT'S BOARD THOUGHT AFTER WHAT? WELL, THE TRIGGER CAN ATTRACT QUARTERLY.
I CANNOT ASK YOU TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY RIGHTS.
EVERY FUSE TO ITS STAND, YOUR ETJ PROPOSE THE RIGHT INDIVIDUAL TO OWN PROPERTY.
IT IS ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS THAT SETS YOU APART FROM COMMENTS TODAY.
I HOPE THAT YOU ALL THE CONSTITUTION CANNOT MISTAKE BECAUSE IT IS IN YOUR HEART PRODUCE THAT CONSIDER US
THIS IS JUST TO THE BOARD, BUT IS THIS BOARD THAT WE MADE A POLICY THAT WE WOULD NOT EXTEND WATER TO PEOPLE AND LAST NIGHT ALLOWED US TO TAKE THEM INTO THE 18 JACKIE HERE.
YES, I LIKED UNTIL YOU SAID THAT
IT'S REALLY, REALLY JUST TO SAY, JUST A SEC, I CANNOT PUT CITIZEN A NUMERIC MONEY IN A PLACE.
I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT BACK AND FORTH.
YOU GOT IT ON THAT PAPER TONIGHT.
THE THREE TO THREE MINUTES AGO, THE QUESTION THAT DON'T LET, DON'T ONLY STAY.
MY GUT IS
SHE JUST MADE US TAKE, LET'S BE HONEST.
IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HONEST, DON'T GIVE ME SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WHEN THE CITY BOUNDARY EXPANDS IN AN AREA LIKE ROCK AND RUN, WE'RE NOT CITY BOUNDARY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SIT AROUND THIS EXTERIOR X ETJ.
IT SAID PEOPLE WOULD BE MORE PRESSURED INTO SELLING THEIR PROPERTY IN A VERY LOW PRICE FOR PROFIT.
CAN WE, CAN WE, UH, CALL FOR THE QUESTION PLEASE? REQUEST? OH, THE QUESTION WAS TO,
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AGAIN, CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING SAID THAT WAS THE MOST DIES.SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PILOTING HERE AND SAY, AH, I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DRAFT AN ORDINANCE OR RECOMMEND AN ALTERNATE ONE BACK.
I GOTTA SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, COME ON.
IT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN DRAFTED.
HE HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE IT SUBJECT TO THE EMOTIONAL CRAP.
ONE OF WHICH ADDRESSES ALL ONE AND ONE OF WHICH ADDRESSES ALL TO EACH ONE IDENTIFIED AS THE PROPERTY INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA SIGNS, TONY THEY'RE ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE GOTTA SLAM THIS THING HOME AND THE PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT YET AND NEED TO READ IT.
OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE BIG HABITUS WHAT'S GOING ON? I THINK, UH, INITIALLY BACK IN SEPTEMBER, BUT THE FIRST PROBLEM TO YOU, WHAT PROMPTED IT WAS, UH, SEVERAL CLAIMS OF SIGNIFICANT PRACTICE DAY.
YOU HAD A TRAP WHERE WROTE THE NEXT RELEASE AND DAYS, UH, THAT WAS CUT.
UH, AND PEOPLE IN THE COLONY STATE SUBDIVISION WERE CALLING US.
WE HAVE A SERIES AND THE SENTENCE STRAIGHT CUTTING THEIR ENTREPRENEURS CREATE A SO ACTIVITIES.
AND AS A CONSEQUENCE, WE WERE GETTING CALLS TO SAY, WELL, WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU SAY, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GET A PERMIT TO DO THAT KIND OF ACTION.
WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND
WE ASKED THEM ACTUALLY QUITE USEFUL, EIGHT TRAP AND LUMBERING, NO TRACTOR.
WE SAT DOWN ROCK MAN TO SAY, HEY, THERE'S GOT TO BE AN ACTIVE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO OFFER? AND THEY WERE WILLING.
PROPERTY OWNERS WERE WILLING TO PROVIDE TRUTHFUL.
UH, IT VARIED GENERALLY THE, WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET, IF WE FIND 50 FEET, 25 TO 50, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION, TRYING TO GET 50, THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UH, FOLLOWING THAT, WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSIONS ON ETJ.
AND MOST RECENTLY WITH THE ETJ DISCUSSIONS OF WEST OF THREE-PART, THAT FOCUSED, WE ARE HOUSED RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE DOING ACTIVITIES ON THOSE SITES LASTED READ PRIOR IN 1996, I THINK THAT PROMPTED A LOT FURTHER FOCUS ON THE ISSUE AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH ETJ AND WHY NOT NOW THAT'S IN OUR CIVILIAN JURISDICTION OR PLANNING LESS PLANS SET FOR THE FUTURE GROWTH.
THE CONCERN IS THAT THIS ROAD GOING IN RIGHT HERE, IT'S IN OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
WE DO KNOW THAT OFF SIEMENS HAS EXPANDED THEIR ADDITIONAL DISHWASHER FACILITY.
IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT UP THERE ON GUAM BOULEVARD.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT A SITE NEAR THE HIGH SCHOOL, BACK BEHIND THE HIGH SCHOOL FOR BEING A THURSDAY WITH THE BAND WHAT'S DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'VE GOT A DEVELOPER RIGHT AT THE MERGER OF ROCKY ROAD AND US 17 IN THE AREA.
AND IT'S PARTIALLY IMPACTED BY THE ETJ THAT WAS ADOPTED TONIGHT.
AND IT'S LOOKING AT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.
AND PART OF THE REASON I DISLIKE IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE BOSCH BOULEVARD WITH TANYA EAST COUNTY ON THIS ROAD BEING THE NEXT LINE, BURNING ROADWAY, THAT'S TO THE LESSON CITIES AND CITIES COLLECTION.
SO I THINK STEVE'S POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
YES, RIGHT DOWN THERE IS TIMBER HARVESTING ACTIVITIES GOING ON AND FOLKS ARE SAYING, THIS IS GOING TO BE THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU TO DO THAT.
BUT REALITY IS IT IS A GUESSING GAME, BUT I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT IN 15, 18 YEARS WHERE THOSE TREES ARE CUT, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANOTHER 30 YEARS AT THOSE TREES GET UP AND BE A LARGE TREE BUFFER.
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HERE'S THE SITE.THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 15 YEARS WHEN THE TREES ARE CUT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PASSING SOMETHING EITHER TONIGHT OR NEXT WEEK, THAT'S WHY I'M GETTING LOST.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M GETTING LOST IN THE SENSE OF THE ISSUE IS RIGHT THERE.
ALSO, WE ARE LOOKING AT A CITY.
I AM EARLY IN 1996
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS UNTIL A DECISION, WAS THIS, THIS AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH SHOWING YOU THESE WELL, MY, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET IN IS THIS NEXT, LET'S SAY NINE.
IT'S NOT JUST APRIL, BUT THERE'S TWO OF THEM INVOLVED.
THIS MAN SAYS HE'S NOT GOING TO CUT TREES FOR YEARS TO COME, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT YEARS TO COME, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NIGHT YOU'RE TELLING ME WAREHOUSER IS AGREED TO HOLD UP AND YOU SATISFIED, I GUESS, WITH THAT AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL HOLD UP.
SO THAT'S THE TWO PARTIES INVOLVED.
SO I WOULD ASSUME IN GOOD FAITH KNOWING THE TWO COMPANIES.
AND I KNOW THE TWO COMPANIES AND I WOULD, I WOULD TRUST THEM EITHER.
ONE OF THEM WERE TELLING ME THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HOLD UP.
WHY DO WE HAVE THE SENSE OF URGENCY THAT YOU DROP THIS HAMMER TONIGHT? I STILL DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
ON EITHER THE COMPANY ART, WHEREVER MIGHT BE INVOLVED OR INDEPENDENT, THEY COME IN THERE AND SERVE THAT PURPOSE.
BECAUSE ONCE THESE TREES ARE GONE, THEN THERE IS
WELL NOW GETTING BEYOND GREENBRIER.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE ORDINANCE OF TEXTS, CITYWIDE
YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
AND WE'VE GOT BASED ON THE STANDARDS OF THE INDUSTRY ABOUT RESIDENTIAL.
ALRIGHT, WELL, LET ME POINT OUT A DANGER IN THAT WE GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO CALL DANNY BY PASSING THE NIGHT WE GIVE YOU RIGHT TO CALL.
IF THEY HAD ANY CLEAR CUT AND WHATEVER YOU AND MIKE DECIDE THE NIGHT OR TOMORROW, WHAT HAPPENED? YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER LEGISLATIVE BODIES THAT DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A SHORT ISSUE, IF NOT, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SEND TO MY PAJAMAS.
UM, AND NOW DOES SHE HAVE TO CONSIDER TRAINEES
YOU WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE SIX COMMISSION.
CAN YOU CUT DOWN? BECAUSE I HAVE IN MY OWN,
AND I DIDN'T SEND HIM BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS ON FREIGHT.
IT'S I WILL PUT UP WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KEEP HALF, RIGHT.
WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THE, ON THE
SO THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT
I HAVE TO PUT TRACE WHEN I WROTE THIS.
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I MEAN, YES.AND NOTHING HAS TO BE SUPER BRITISH, LOVED EXPENSIVE.
YOU CAN TRY THE BEST TO CONTROL, BUT THEY'RE DRIVEN BY THIS ONE.
SO GOT, MAKE THAT MONEY CONTROL AND SOMETIMES WALK.
AND I'VE HAD SPIRITUAL CLEAR IS THAT LIKE NATURAL PLACE TO COME IN.
BUT AFTER I HAD ONE SMALL SECTION AND I SAID, SO WHAT CAN I DO WITH THIS? LET'S SAY IT, SAVANNAH.
WELL, BEFORE WE GET INTO ALL THAT, LET US JUST SEE WHAT THE FEELINGS OF THE BOARD HE IS BEFORE, WHERE EVERYBODY GETS SO TIRED OF DUDE, THEY VOTE ON ONE SIDE, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHEN THEY DON'T FIGHT THROUGH.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I MEAN, YOU HAD A COUPLE OF GOOD POINTS AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, DOES SOMEBODY HAVE TO GO GET A PARAMEDIC, DISEASED TREES OR PROBABLY SAVED, BUT HOPEFULLY THE CITY WOULD HAVE WISDOM WHEN I HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE PERMIT.
WHAT WAS YOUR MOST RECENT RECESS TO PUBLIC HERE? AND IT'S BEEN SECOND.
IT HAS TO BE A DAY, TWO A DAY.
WHAT WOULD BE THE CLOSEST DATE? WORK SESSION IS MONDAY AND THEN THE FOLLOWING TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT IS THE REGULAR AND WE WILL BE TOMORROW.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE 28
I THINK THAT WORK SESSION IS GOING TO BE PRETTY FULL.
I MEAN, WE GOT THAT, YOU GOT THAT RECREATION STUDY THAT'S COMPANY IN IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM ON, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T DO SOME HOMEWORK BETWEEN NINE, THEN THAT IS YOUR THEM COMING UP AND TALKING ABOUT LANDING AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO FIND OUT, PLEASE, UH, AT LEAST THREE, MR. TYLER, AND SOME OTHERS WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE THAT HE KNOWS, UH, THAT THEY MAY WANT TO BE HERE AND TO HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE WORD, ALL THAT WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
DID YOU, IS IT, WOULD IT BE LEGAL TO THE PERSON TO NOTIFY THEM? I WANT TO HEAR ALL THE SIDES, ALL THAT.
AND AGAIN, KEEPING IN MIND WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF GREEN BAR WALL AND UNDERSTANDING THAT AS A BUFFER IS GOOD AND ALL THAT STUFF AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE DAMN ONE MORE TIME AS WE ARE TRYING TO DO IN ALL THESE SITUATIONS TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE, THERE IS A SEC.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
IS EVERYBODY AWAKE? DO WE HAVE A VOICE? IS THIS A
WHAT IS THE LAST TRAVEL TO HEARING AN ADOPT BORDERS? AND BY THE WAY, PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU SEE ANY CLEAR CUTTING OR ANYTHING IN THE MEANTIME BETWEEN HAVING ASKED ME, PLEASE, NOT THAT NOT BY ANY OF THE FOLKS THAT IT MADE PROMISES.
I KNOW THEY WON'T, BUT IN CASE A ROGUE GUY WITH A CHAINSAW SLIPS IN THERE OR SOMETHING.
PROBABLY HEARING AN ADOPT ORDINANCE ON THE QUESTION OF AMENDING THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM 85 AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, 85 DEVOTEE, AGRICULTURAL, I GUESS THAT'LL BE HALF NOW, AGRICULTURAL FOREST OR DISTRICT YOUR PROBLEMS. RIGHT? SIMILARLY, IF I WAS ONE OR TWO ACRES LOCATED NORTH OF US, HIGHWAY 17, SOUTH SOUTH OF US HAVE HIGHWAY 70 WEST.
AND GENERALLY BETWEEN THE GREENBRIER AND ROCKY RUN COMMUNITIES, I GUESS THIS WAS THE REASON YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THE OTHER ONE TO WHAT IT IS.
WOULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF WHY THIS WAS ASKED FOR? YES.
UH, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS THE AREA, UH, TO WEST THAT WAS BROUGHT IN AS A, UH, UH, A, UH, PANEL, WHICH REMOVES SOME OF THE, UH, USES IN A FIVE AT WORK CONCERNED TO THE PRESENCE
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AND OWNERS PRIOR.IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS AREA DOWN.
THERE ARE 10 LAST TIME, I THINK JUST THE EIGHT AREA.
HE HAS AN ANTIBODY HERE THAT'S FOR OR AGAINST THAT PARTICULAR CHANGE.
DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? YOU CAN COME UP HERE.
NOBODY WANTED TO SPEAK FOR AGAIN.
CALL IT ROLL, I GUESS ON THAT ONE.
UM, I DON'T GET TO VOTE THIS TIME.
THE NEXT THING IS A CONSENT AGENDA.
DOES ANYBODY APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? YOU MIGHT CALL IT A ROLL ON THAT ONE.
UH, NEXT THING IS APPOINTMENTS AND THERE'S ONE HERE THAT HE POINTED OUT TO ME BEFORE IT WENT TO THE ELECTRIC SERVICES BOARD IN THE NAME OF SHERMAN CAMPBELL, UH, TRAMP WOODS AREA.
DO I HEAR ANY OPPOSITION? ALL IN FAVOR, PUT MR. CAMPBELL ON SAY AYE.
ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THAT? ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OTHER POINTS? ANY MISCELLANEOUS? OKAY.
YOU'VE GOT TO SAY THEY MANAGE Y ONE ITEM, UH, BROKEN SESSION.
ONE ITEM FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I HAVE THE ITEM BROKEN SESSION IS WE STILL ARE EXPERIENCING MUCH COLDER THAN NORMAL WEATHER.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE REBATE 8% ON RESIDENTIAL UTILITY BILL.
WHAT DID WE DO LAST MONTH? NO,
WE WANT THEM TO VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.
DO WE HAVE TO WHAT WAS MADE ON THIS? ALL RIGHT.
WE GO ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, OH, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SEE STATE EXECUTIVE SESSION NOW.
DON'T YOU LEAVE AT RUNNING THE LA