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          YEAH, HE'S GOT ONE. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO, YOU JUST GOING TO PASS UP FROM ONE, BOTH OF THEM OUT, I'VE NOTED UP IN THE UPPER LEFT-HAND CORNER OF EACH ONE. 
          WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE IT IS. 
          BUT I SAY THAT ALL THIS IS ALREADY THE DISTRICT. 
          ALL OF THIS IS ALREADY DONE. 
          I GOT MY HEAD ANYTIME I'VE BEEN STUCK, BEEN STUDYING THIS THING FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. 
          AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ETJ AND WITH THE WHOLE THING BOILS DOWN TO ETJ ZONE ZONE ZONE. 
          NOW, IF WE'RE GOING, IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT AN AREA, PROTECTING THE AREA FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH, UH, THE HIGHWAY 17 AREA THAT'S FROM, UH, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT CREEK? ANYBODY KNOW IT'S A SMALL CREEK UP THERE BACK ONCE. 
          YOU'VE GOT AN ALTERNATE TO THIS AREA HERE THAT'S SHOWN AT ROCKY RUN CREEK. 
          THIS ACTUALLY RUNS RIGHT PAST ROCKY CREEK, GOT TO THE END OF ROCKY RUN ROAD BACK IT'S ON EITHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY 17 QUARTER. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE GOT THERE IS WE'RE. 
          WE WERE PROPOSING TO ZONE THAT AREA INTO COMMERCIAL USES WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL USE, WHICH IS IN MY OPINION, IT DON'T BE WHAT'S GOING UP. 
          IF IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO DEVELOP. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO CONTROL. 
          AS FAR AS THE BACK SIDE OF ROCKY AND ROCKY RUN ROAD ITSELF. 
          I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DON'T NEED A CHAMP. 
          YOU DON'T NEED THE ZONE. 
          IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL NOW. 
          SURE. 
          THIS THING'S GOOD. 
          THERE ARE, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ON ROCKY UP, BUT WE'VE GOT TO, I'M LOOKING AT IS BEST. 
          AND MY OPINION AT THIS POINT, GOOD. 
          WE TAKE WHAT IS ON HIGHWAY 17 SOUTH ZONE IT TO PROTECT THAT AREA, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CONTROLLED GROWTH. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, RIGHT? MR. AVERY. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT PLANNING SAYS. 
          WE WANT TO CONTROL THE GROWTH IN THESE HIGH OR POSSIBLY HIGH GROWTH AREAS. 
          I GIVE WHAT THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          I'M JUST KIDDING YOU. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU SAY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO LOSE. 
          IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T GO IN HERE AND TAKE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GOBBLE UP EVERYTHING, YOU GET YOUR HANDS ON, YOU TAKE WHAT, WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. 
          YOU LEAVE THE REST ALONE AT SOME POINT IN TIME. 
          IT MAY BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          WE MAY NOT NEVER, NEVER PUT THIS PLACE, THE TJ, BUT FOR SAN NEXT OR EVEN VOLUNTARY ANNEX, IT'S GOING TO COME AT SOME POINT IN TIME. 
          NOW. 
          I'M SORRY FOR EVERYBODY. 
          EVERYBODY FEELS IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, MR. MR. HALL. 
          OKAY, PLEASE, PLEASE. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW, IS IT TIME FOR ME TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE ADOPT ALTERNATE TWO, AS OPPOSED TO ALTERNATE ONE ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL BE IN EFFECT FLIPPED NUMBER TWO LOW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE ON A MOTION TO ADOPT NUMBER ONE, A AND NUMBER TWO IS AN ALTERNATE. 
          DOES HE, DOES HE GET A SECOND TO ADOPT AND ALL NUMBER TWO, I NEED A SECOND TO ADOPT FOLDER. 
          AND IT'S BASICALLY JUST TO ME, THAT IS THE MAIN CORRIDOR. 
          WELL, GREAT. 
          THERE ARE NO SIDE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DISSOLVE THE CAR, THAT'S ALL WE USE ON THAT. 
          YOU OFFER PROTECTION. 
           UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'M ALSO HEARING ALL THESE PEOPLE 
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OUT HERE, SO WE DON'T WANT IT. 
          BUT I'M SAYING AS A, AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION, YOU AND I KNOW IT IS NOT, HEY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PROBABLY WON'T EVER POP, BUT WHEN I WENT OUT THERE LAST AUGUST, I SAID, IF THESE FOLKS WILL TALK TO THE FOLKS AND WE'LL LISTEN, I'VE BEEN CALLED EVERY KIND OF NAME IN THE BOOK, BUDDIES PEOPLE OUT HERE, SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THEM BEEN JUST AS GOOD AS THEY CAN BE TRYING TO WORK WITH. 
          AND I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING CALLED A RACIST AND A BAIT. 
          AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP MY TEMPER ON HIM. 
          WELL, WHAT AM I DOING? AND THE MOTION IS EITHER SECOND OR DIES ALLOWANCE. 
          I'VE MADE THE MOTION WAITING FOR A SECOND. 
          DAVE, LACK OF A SECOND. 
          LET'S GO BACK TO THE FIRST, SECOND ON THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE GO BACK TO ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO MOVE TO THAT ULTIMATE ONE SEC, ONE, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MYSELF, BUT IT'S LIKE SAYING IT ANYWAY. 
          OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, I HAVE ACCEPTED A FEW FACTS IN LIFE. 
          ONE OF THEM BEING THAT YOU SAY, CITIES DO NOT GROW CITIES DIE. 
          AND THEN THE QUESTION IS, SO WHY I HAD A PRETTY INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION LAST WEEKEND WITH A FRIEND OF MINE WHO I THINK IS PRETTY INTELLIGENT. 
          AND HE, HIS ANSWER WAS LIKE WALK. 
          SO WE WENT INTO ABOUT AN HOUR'S DISCUSSION OVER IT. 
          AND I POINTED OUT TO HIM THAT IF YOU DO ANY RESEARCH AND YOU LOOK AROUND, YOU HEAR TERMS THROWN AROUND LIKE CITIES OF THE ENGINES THAT DRIVE ECONOMIES AND COUNTIES AND SO FORTH. 
          AND YOU BECOME TO BELIEVE THAT YOU BECOME TO BELIEVE SOME STRANGE THINGS LIKE YOU DRIVE BETWEEN, SAY NEW-BORN AND THE NEXT TOWN UP THE ROAD GO CITY OF WHATEVER. 
          AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY LAWYER'S OFFICES OUT THERE IN THE WILDERNESS. 
          YOU DON'T SEE ANY HOSPITALS. 
          YOU DON'T SEE ANY DENTAL OFFICES. 
          YOU DON'T SEE ANY ELECTRIC COMPANIES LIKE MINE. 
          YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING EXCEPT FARM LAND AND THAT TYPE OF THING, WHICH HAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. 
          I GREW UP ON A FARM MYSELF AND, UH, CHERISH THE DAYS. 
          BUT THE POINT IS, THERE'S A REASON THAT THERE ARE THINGS AROUND CITIES AND ASK BECAUSE CITIES ARE THE ECONOMIC ENGINES THAT DRIVE THE COUNTIES. 
          IF THE CITIES, THE COUNTIES THAT WE ALL HAVE TO MOVE AWAY AND QUIT, MAN, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, GO READ IT FOR YOURSELF, UNDERSTAND IT, STUDY IT. 
          YOU COME TO ACCEPT IT. 
          AND THEN YOU FIND OUT, ALONG WITH THAT LITTLE TENANT COMES THE IDEA THAT IF THE CITY DOESN'T GROW, IT WILL DIE. 
          AND THAT'S, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT AND GO INTO OTHER STATES AND LOOK WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ANNEXATION, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND YOU SEE, YOU SAID HE'S IN DEEP TROUBLE. 
          IN FACT, SO I'M GOING TO TRAVEL THAT SOMEBODY FROM ROCKY, RON HAD EXPRESSED THAT YOU WERE AFRAID MIGHT HAPPEN IN YOUR AREA BECAUSE IT WOULD BECOME SOMEDAY QUOTE, UNQUOTE, A CITY. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. 
          SO IF IT'S TRUE THAT CITIES ARE THE ECONOMIC ENGINES THAT DRIVE THE COUNTIES. 
          IF YOU SAT THERE, AND IF YOU ACCEPT THE FACT THAT CITIES HAVE TO GROW OR THEY DIE AND YOU ACCEPT THAT, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN EITHER GROW STRAIGHT UP, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY SKYSCRAPERS AROUND IN NORTH CAROLINA, ESPECIALLY IN THE EAST. 
          WELL, THEY HAVE TO GROW OUTWARD. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE CITY FATHERS THAT ARE SITTING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND DECIDING THE CITY IS GOING TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION OR THIS DIRECTION OR WHATEVER IS THIS NATURAL PROGRESSION THAT TAKES PLACE. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS SEEN AS A NATURAL PROGRESSION. 
          AND SOME OF YOU HERE REALIZE IT. 
          I ASKED THE GROWTH AT 17 AND ALL THESE THINGS, SOME OF YOU SAID, HEY, FOLKS, PROGRESS IS COMING. 
          WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY ALL THAT LAND, YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. 
          ALL THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND IS, IS MR. PAUL. 
          I AM POINTED OUT WITHOUT ZONING, WITHOUT SOME KIND OF CONTROL. 
          YOU CANNOT HANG ON TO WHAT YOU'VE GOT FOR AS LONG AS YOU POSSIBLY WANT TO. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN HANG ON TO IT. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WOULD NOT SIT UP HERE AND VOTE. 
          THE SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT TRULY IN MY HEART WAS GOING TO DO HARM TO PEOPLE. 
          I JUST WOULDN'T DO IT. 
          AND I HOPE I'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL NOT HURT THOSE PEOPLE. 
          IT WILL PREVENT THE CITY FROM BEING BOTTLED UP SOMEDAY AND STIFLED AND KILLED. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO HURT THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. 
          IN FACT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE, BUT WHATEVER, BUT I MEAN, I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR IT IF I DIDN'T TRULY BELIEVE THAT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD WOULD VOTE FOR IT IF I DIDN'T TRULY BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T EXPRESSED ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, TO ME PUBLICLY, ALL PRIVATE. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AND TO GET THAT OFF OF MY CHEST 
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IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DISCUSSION PORTION OF THIS MOVEMENT TO, UM, TO TAKE THE THING INTO THE ETJ. 
          SO WE'VE HAD A FIRST EMOTION, WE'VE HAD A SECOND, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION. 
          I'VE SHIRLEY DONE MY BETTER DISCUSSION, DON, ARE YOU ON THERE FOR THIS? BE IT? WELL, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANT TO ALLOW TO PEOPLE AND WORK WITH THEM AND TRY AND GET THIS ON. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN OPEN TO ANY CHANGES. 
          WE'VE NEVER GOING TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO, THIS PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE ZONE. 
          UH, THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THEM AND THE CITY AND, AND THE BEST INTEREST OF THE BEST USES OF THE LAND AND MAYOR YOU'VE GONE OVER AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY TO, UH, LET PEOPLE BE HEARD. 
          SO SOMEONE ASKED ME TO POST YOUR PROPERTY. 
          AND DON, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALSO STATED IN THE VERY FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THAT ONCE THIS IS DONE, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REQUEST THAT THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE ZONE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE ZONE. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONTROL METHOD FOR THEM. 
          I THINK THEY'VE WITNESSED THIS VERY NIGHT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN SITTING THERE, YOU'VE SEEN PEOPLE COME HERE FROM TOWNSHIP SEVEN IS NOT EVEN IN THE CITY AND YOU'VE SEEN US DO EVERYTHING WE COULD TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR WISHES. 
          NOT A ONE OF THEM CAN VOTE FOR US, NOT AT ALL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THIS MIGHT AS WELL CALL ROAD. 
          YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ON THE QUESTION OF AMENDING SECTION 15 DASH 1 36, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS ESTABLISHED SECTION 15 DASH 1 46 TABLE AND PERMISSIBLE USES SECTION 15 DASH 180 MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS, SECTION 15 DASH 186,  WITS AND SECTION 15, 180 7 BUILDING SET BACK REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO IT WAS TO CREATE A NEW ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION KNOWN AS 85 W AGRICULTURAL AGRICULTURE FORESTRY DISTRICT, I BELIEVE ASKED THE LONGEST ONE I'VE HAD TO READ. 
          SO YES, I THINK MY, IF I DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT, DON'T TELL ME IT WILL BE LONGER THAN THAT. 
          MIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STIPULATE? YES, PLEASE. 
          SIMPLY EXPLAIN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS, UM, FOLLOWING THE A FIVE SONY TO THE WEST OF THE GREENBRIER COMMUNITY, UH, THERE WERE CONTINUED CONCERNS THAT IT MENTIONED IT EARLIER MEETINGS ABOUT SOME OF THE USES IN 85, THAT THEY FELT WERE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL USE AS BEING NEXT DOOR. 
          WE MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR PROPERTY ASSOCIATION AND, UH, THIS WAS ALSO IN RESPONSE TO ALL OF THE PENDLETON'S, UH, REQUESTED SOMETHING THEY'D DONE TO FOCUS MORE ON FOREST LAND, UH, KIND OF ISSUES, AND CAME UP WITH A MODIFIED. 
          SO CALL EIGHT, FIVE W HERE. 
          AND WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOWS THE USES THAT YOU TYPICALLY FIND IN A FIVE WITH AL MINING LAND FIELDS, LAST STOCK OPERATIONS, MOBILE PHONES, AND MOBILE HOME PARKS. 
          OKAY. 
          IT ALLOWS ALL THE OTHER RECREATIONAL USES, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES AND THE CONTINUING, UH, TIMBERING OPERATIONS TO TAKE PLACE AS WELL AS FARM OPERATIONS THAT DO NOT INVOLVE LIVESTOCK LIKE SOYBEANS OR PROCESS, I GUESS PROBABLY HEARING IS OPEN. 
          IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COMMENT ABOUT THAT CHANGE IN CLASSIFICATION  ,  , UH, PER PROPERTY IS A, UH, AWKWARD CALL NOW, JASON, 
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YOUR CLAIM. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENT ABOUT THIS PROPOSED CHANGE, AN ORDINANCE AT PUBLIC HERE WILL BE CLOSED SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE PUBLIC, HEARING ME, IF I SAY, I PROBABLY JUST KNOW NOBODY MOVED AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE MOOD, WE ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE HERE A SECOND WITHOUT SICK, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE, THE STAFF THERE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, THE ULTIMATE OF WHAT ALLOW US, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE CHANGE TO THIS AND THAT WE CALLED IT A DASH FIVE W FOR BULLETS, BUT THROUGHOUT FOR FORESTRY OPERATIONS. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO CALL IT A DASH FIVE INSTEAD OF W AND BE CLEAR FOR PEOPLE HAYDEN THE ORDINANCE. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE IS THAT GOOD? OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE HAD A SECOND DISCUSSION, UH, COLORADO, UM, YES. 
          YES. 
          NUMBER EIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT THE ORDINANCE ON THE QUESTION OF A MAN IN DESIGNING CLASS AND OCCASION FROM C5 OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT, THE C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OF 24 0 8 CLARENDON BOULEVARD. 
          OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? OKAY, COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          ORIGINAL APPLICATION FROM SLEEP, THE LOCATION . 
          SO IF YOU CAN PICTURE THIS KNOW YOU START COMING BACK AROUND AND YOU GOT THE VIDEO AND THEN IT'S NINE FEET WIDE, APPROXIMATELY 75 FEET. 
          BIG ISSUE ON THIS BACK IN 1988, I THINK BEFORE REQUESTING THIS BE REZONED FROM, OH, AND I SEE THREE CLARIFY WHEN WE CAME FORWARD, WHEN I CAME FORWARD THROUGH HERE AS MICHAEL HERE AT THAT TIME. 
          SO THIS , I FELT THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT MY ATTENTION AND I SIGNED THE DEAL. 
          SO NOW I'M BACK AGAIN TO REQUEST THIS BIG REASON. 
          YOU SEE FIVE  CLARENDON BOULEVARD IS GOING TO BE  PLANS, BUT VERY POSSIBLE THAT THEY WILL TAKE 40 FEET ALL ALONG THIS TIME ON SMALL PROPERTY, EVEN SMALL. 
          SO ONE REASON I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS RESOLVED IS SETBACKS OR C FIVE C FIVE C FIVE, AND C THREE. 
          BOTH HAVE REQUIRE 
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MY FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE LINE, SAY FIVE MINUTES ON EACH SIDE  SIDE, C5 REQUIRES 25 FOOT SET BACK REAR  SKIT. 
          THAT'S WHY I HAVE A BOULEVARD. 
          I THINK Y Y Y  AND YOU HAVE SQUEEZING SPACE. 
          IT'S AN OFFICE SPACE REALLY, UM, WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT. 
           SMALL BRAKE FLUIDS. 
           WELL, THEN I HAVE WHAT MY, I WANT TO PUT THERE. 
          UM,  I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THREE THAT I CAN THINK OF BUILDING. 
          WOW. 
           SO I DID NOT DO IT MYSELF. 
           NO, UM,  UM, I HAVE SOME 20 YEARS. 
          GOOD. 
           
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THE NEIGHBORHOOD I HAD WORKED ON. 
            LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND ME, I, I MIGHT FORGET THE QUESTION. 
          OR DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING JUST TO GAIN THAT 40 FEET  AND IN MY MIND I HAVE TO . 
          OH, WELL, DOES IT, THE PLANET PEOPLE OR ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN? I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THEY WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU FIRST ARE SOMEWHAT, UM, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT. 
          THE NEXT TO MINE WHERE , THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT MINE. 
          MINE IS A PARKING LOT PARKING LOT. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER, THAT'S THE PARKING LOT HERE AND LOOKING FORWARD, YOU'LL FIND, FIRST OF ALL, A LETTER FROM  A LETTER OF SUPPORT IN FAVOR OF MY REQUEST, THEN THE NEXT LETTER FROM , CAN I ASK YOU ONE ALEX MORRISON? I NOTICED ON THE FRONT OF THIS THING, IT SAYS LAST NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 100 FEET, THE PROPERTY TO BE RESIGNED. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE THE FOLKS THAT YOU HAVE, THAT THE GUY WHO VOTE, BUT SOME NAMES THAT ARE ON THE A HUNDRED FEET ARE NOT IN THE BACK WHERE THEY ASK AND DIDN'T WANT IT, OR WE MAY NOT ASK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY DIDN'T, THEY WEREN'T IN THAT  UM,  
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 AND I APPRECIATE THE VALUES , UM,  ACCESS TO  NOW DNA, BODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC IS WANTING TO SPEAK AGAIN, SAM, BEFORE WE HEAR MIKE'S, I GUESS THE CITY SIDE OR AGAINST HIM, YOU ASKED US AGAINST CHANGING EVERYBODY ELSE FOR IT. 
          WELL, I GUESS BEFORE IT, SIR, FOR OR AGAINST IT, LET'S DO THAT. 
          THE MISS LADY IN THE BACK, WOULD YOU COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND  WE ARE THE ONLY RESIDENCE THAT IS . 
          MY MOTHER GETS THERE FOR, WELL OVER 25 YEARS. 
          AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BE A PAIR OF FEET UP IN THE, AND ANYBODY ELSE, MIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STATE YOUR OPPOSITION OR ? 
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UH, OKAY. 
          LET ME SHOW YOU YOU WANT ME TO TAKE NOTES FOR YOU? SO IT GETS TOO LATE. 
          MY HEAD TURNS INTO A PUMPKIN. 
          WHOOPS, TOO LATE. 
          IT'S ALREADY A PUMP. 
          I SURE SEE A LOT OF YOU MIGHT. 
          YES, YES. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          AS FAR AS THE, UH, UM, PROPOSAL AND THE INTENTIONS OF, UH, UH, DR. 
          SHAVEY, UM, STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE WHATSOEVER. 
          I THINK HE'S PROVEN HIMSELF AS A RESPECTFUL CITIZEN FOR MANY YEARS, HE'D DONE GOOD WORK. 
          UM, OUR, UH, CHARGE IS TO LOOK AT IT, UM, FROM A COMPATIBILITY OF LAND USE STANDPOINT AND TAKE THE LONG-TERM VIEW OF WHAT POTENTIAL IMPACT WOULD BE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS, UH, HIS INTENTIONS GO, UH, ZONING LAW WILL TELL YOU THAT PERSON'S INTENTIONS CANNOT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU CONSIDER SUN ZONING, LOOKS AT THE PERMITTED, USES THAT GO THERE. 
          AND THAT IS HOW YOU MUST MAKE YOUR DECISION. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT A PERSON'S INTENTIONS, YOU START GETTING INTO THE AIR CONTRACTS AND YOU DO THIS, WE'LL APPROVE IT. 
          UM, OF THING, UH, THE AREA ITSELF SERVES AS A BUFFER BETWEEN HIGHWAY 17 AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA BEHIND IT. 
          UM, THE CONCERN OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND STAFF IS THAT WHEN YOU TAKE A PIECE OF THAT BUFFER OUT, UH, THE IMPACT, ESPECIALLY Y IS GOING TO BE EVEN GREATER ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, TO THE BACK OF IT, UM, SONY IS NOT REQUIRED TO, UH, PROVIDE OWNERS THE MAXIMUM RETURN ON THEIR PROPERTY FROM AN INVESTMENT STANDPOINT, ITS RESPONSIBILITY IS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY OF LAND USAGE WITHIN A COMMUNITY, UM, BASED ON A REVIEW OF THE SITUATION, UH, VIA STAFF AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, UM, IT IS BOTH REC THE RECOMMENDATION OF BOTH ROUTES, UH, THAT, UH, THE REZONING NOT TAKE PLACE, THAT IT REMAINED AS C5, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE OTHER USES THAT YOU SEE IN THAT LAW. 
          AND WE'LL PROVIDE A CONTINUED PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          THE USE IS THAT HE, UH, MORE OR LESS PROPOSED OR ADDED MINE, WE GET WHAT ZANE IN THE CLASSIC OCCASION BEYOND SAY, BUT A PHARMACY OR WHATEVER HE WAS TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY. 
          WOULD THAT FLY IN THE FACE OF COMPATIBILITY IF SAY IT FIT UNDER THIS, WOULD THAT FIT IN THE AREA? OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE THE CHANGE IN ZONING AND OPENS A PANDORA'S BOX, WHICH, WHICH IS A PROBLEM, WHEREAS BOTH THE PROBLEM, THE BOAT, THEY'RE BOTH A PROBLEM IN THAT THE CHANGE IN ZONING OPENS UP PANDORA'S BOX, THOSE PARTICULAR USES, OR, UM, AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL USES, SOME THAT WOULD HAVE LESS IMPACT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMERCIAL USES. 
          BUT WHEN YOU GO FROM AN OFFICE IN INSTITUTIONAL SUN TO COMMERCIAL ZONE, YOU ALLOW THE INTENSITY OF THAT DEVELOPMENT TO BE RATCHETED UP. 
          YOU CAN COVER MORE OF A LOT, UH, ONCE YOU GO TO A C3 AND YOU CAN MORE INTENSELY FOR GOVERNMENT VERSUS 
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OVERNIGHT OR SAFE, UH, IT'S MEANT TO BE, HEY, A PANT. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT A PHARMACY WOULD NOT FIT, UH, WELL, YES, YES. 
          THERE WAS SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          MA'AM OKAY. 
          AS FAR AS, UH, ZONING GOES, THAT WOULD BE A C3. 
          I UNDERSTAND, BUT WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S PRETEND THAT, THAT, THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ZONING AS SUCH, BUT SOMEHOW MAGICALLY WE'VE COME ALONG AND AREAS LOOK THE WAY WE WANT THEM TO LIVE PEOPLE. 
          YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE, THEY LIVE TOGETHER, OFFICES ARE OF TOGETHER, WHATEVER. 
          AND IF HE HAD THE PHARMACY THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMEHOW WAS PLUGGED IN TO THE SPOT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WOULD IT BE COMPATIBLE OR WOULD IT NOT, IN YOUR OPINION, IN MY OPINION, IF IT WAS DEVELOPED THE WAY FARM NEIGHBORHOOD PHARMACIES USED TO BE DEVELOPED, IT WOULD HAVE THE WAY PHARMACIES ARE DEVELOPED TODAY WITH THE EMPHASIS ON THE HICKEY ACCESS, YOU WOULD NOT BE. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THE CHANCES ARE VERY HIGH, THAT IT WOULD NOT FIT CORRECT. 
          WHETHER WE HAD THE ZONING CHANGE OR METAPHOR. 
          THAT THAT WAS THE MAIN THING I'M GETTING AT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IF, IF WE'RE REALLY CHANGING IT TO ACCOMMODATE HIM, PUTTING THE FARM, WHICH I CAN UNDERSTAND SOMEBODY'S DREAM FOR HIS KIDS AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND I LIKE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, BUT IF CHANGING THE SAME NAME IS GOING TO OPEN A PANDORA'S BOX ON ONE HAND, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IF ASKED TO BE PROFESSIONAL ANSWER, ONCE YOU, UH, THE PARCEL THERE AT THE BANK THAT, UH, DR. 
          CHICO SPEAKING OF, UH, IS USED AS AN OFFICE, AN INSTITUTIONAL KIND OF USE. 
          BUT IF YOU LIKE CHANGED HIS PARCEL TO C3, THEN THE NEXT PARTS OF THE CHANGING HAD A DOMINO EFFECT TODAY. 
          AND INSTEAD OF YOU HAVING, AS YOU'RE COMING FROM IN TOWN, YOU GO TO A RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, EVENTUALLY RESIDENTIAL, YOU WOULD LOSE THAT TRANSITION OVER TIME. 
          AS IT DOMINATED DOWN THE ROAD, PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL, I GET TO CHANGE THE SEAT, AND THEN I CAN DEVELOP THIS. 
          I CAN ALLOW, OR MAYBE EXPAND OUR BUILDING. 
          SO YOU DO HAVE CONTROL RIGHT NOW. 
          YES. 
          AS FAR AS IT BEING THE WAY IT'S EXEMPT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT A RIGHT. 
          CAN YOU GO TO, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE BOARD, THE JUDGE AND HAVE HIM SIT BACK ALTER, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BUT, UH, TYPICALLY THE JUDGMENT WOULD LOOK FAVORABLE ON A REQUEST THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND OR SOMETHING, OR THE SHAPE OF THE LOT THAT MAKES IT UNUSABLE. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, UH, I THINK THEY WOULD SAY THERE'S, UH, UM, ADEQUATE, UH, ROOM FOR THE OWNER TO COME UP WITH MANY USES THAT COULD GO THERE. 
          UH, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE PATTERN, THE SETBACKS BEING A LITTLE BIT OFF YOUR BORDER, THE BORDER ADJUSTMENTS, UH, THAT I DON'T THINK SO, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UH, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, THEY GO, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A DEFINITE HARDSHIP. 
          AND IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE OF SOMETHING TOPOGRAPHICALLY OR IT'S LIKE A CREEK RUNNING THROUGH IT, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          LET ME ASK YOU ON A VARIATION. 
          YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS REQUESTING VARIATIONS, AND IT CAN'T DO THAT EXCEPT ON THE QUEUE. 
          YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES THAT HAVE TO DO IS THAT PROPERTY ALONE, NOT A SHOT, BUT AS MIKE SAID BACK LIKE THIS, OKAY. 
          SO WHAT'D YOU SAY, OKAY, THE BOARD, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CAN'T REWRITE THE ORDER. 
          WELL, MAYBE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SAY THE COMMUNITY IS A, TO THE LADY SAID THAT SHE WAS CONCERNED WITH THE INTEGRITY OF HER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ARE TOO AS WELL. 
          WHAT KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE PUT, TAKE AWAY FROM THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT? NOT AS SMALL AS IT IS. 
          I WENT TO LOOK AT A SMALL, WHAT IS IT? OKAY. 
          YOU CAN PUT A GAS STATION THERE. 
          WHAT IS IT A BIGGER NUMBER TO PUT A GAS STATION? 
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OKAY. 
          UH, LET ME BACK UP HERE. 
          I THINK ONE ISSUE THAT ALSO, SINCE IT IS ADJACENT TO OUR DISTRICT, AS IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME PROPERTIES, SO IT ISN'T SEALABLE IN THE FUTURE THAT THOSE TWO PROPERTIES COULD BE BROUGHT TOGETHER ON ONE LARGE REGIONAL OPERATION. 
          SO PROPERTY LINES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE TIME, SPAN THE DISTRICTS. 
          YOU ALSO SPIN OUT TO SAY , UH, THE, UH, THE, THE USES IN A, UH, A C3 R UH, AS DR. 
          KATIE STATED, UH, PRETTY WIDE OPEN, UH, YOU HAVE A MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, AUTOMOBILE SERVICES, GAS STATIONS, CAR WASHES, BOWLING ALLEYS, UM, THE OVER YOUR POOL HALLS, UH, THE DA, UH, ADULT ESTABLISHMENTS, EVERYTHING COMMERCIAL PRETTY MUCH CAN GO THERE. 
          THAT'S ALLOWED IN ANY COMMERCIAL SUN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR SAYING, IF THIS BANK WANTED TO EXPAND THIS BANK WAS DOING A BOOM IN BUSINESS AND THEY HAD TO PUT IN ANOTHER 2000 SQUARE FEET OFFICE SPACE THAT THEY COULDN'T COME TO US AND PETITION DURING THAT C3 SO THEY CAN EXPAND. 
          SURE. 
          IT COULD. 
          WELL, RICK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC OF, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BUFFER WE WANT ALREADY TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, AS OPPOSED TO AN EMPTY LOT AND WHAT WE'VE GOT. 
          I MEAN, THIS THING, THIS THING DOES IT DOESN'T BLOCK TO A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT JUST ON A SINGLE HOUSE, IT TOUCHES IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LADY SPOKE UP ABOUT IT, BUT MAN, WHERE I JUST PUT MY OWN, WHERE'S YOUR HOUSE? MA'AM ALL RIGHT. 
          WHERE IS YOUR HOUSE LOCATED? OVER THERE? ON THE BACK SIDE, ACROSS, UH, BEHIND THE BANK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE THE COUNTY WHERE YOU COME OUT OF WENDY'S. 
          I THINK THE, UH, THE CONSIDERATION HERE IS THAT, UH, ONCE AGAIN, UH, THE REQUEST COMES TO YOU, NOT AS A SPONSOR, THE SAVINGS ALONE OR BANK ON THE CORNER IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL LEASE ZONE. 
          ONCE YOU REASON THIS, UH, YOU INCREASE THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA, AND YOU ALSO MAKE IT MUCH EASIER FOR THAT CHANGE FROM, UH, OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL TO SOLID COMMERCIAL TO TAKE PLACE. 
          AND WE'VE SEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY TIMES, WELL, I WILL TELL YOU THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO CHANGE. 
          JUST A LITTLE SPOT RIGHT HERE TO C3, BUT THE REST OF IT IT'S ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED AND C5. 
          IT IS TO CHANGE ALL THIS DEVELOP C5 TO C3. 
          OKAY, YOU GOT ALL THESE REST OF THESE, UH, WHAT DENTIST OFFICE UP AND DOWN THERE. 
          MOST OF HIS DENTAL OFFICE HAS MAYBE A CHIROPRACTOR, MRS. ALL ESTABLISHED A MEDICAL PRACTICE, OR WHAT IS IT? C5? THE, THE TENANTS AND BUILDINGS DO CHANGE. 
          AND, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE CANDIDATES AND BUILDERS DO CHANGE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS RIGHT NOW, THE TENANTS HAD TO BE THE SAME TYPE OF TENANT, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE ARE. 
          CAN SOMEBODY COME IN AND PUT UP, UH, OPEN UP A DRUG STORE IN ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AS A, OKAY. 
          THEN IT'S PROTECTING THE LEVERAGE CONSTRUCTED. 
          WHAT KEEPS THE SITUATION FROM BEING, UH, NEXT YEAR WHEN, UH, THE BUSINESS NEXT TO IT, SEE THE POSSIBILITY TO SALE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MOVE OUT AND BUY LESS EXPENSIVE PROPERTY. 
          BUILDING NEW BUSINESS CONSTANTLY AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, I GOT A CHANCE TO SAY ALL I NEED TO SELL AND YOU SAY, OKAY, FINE. 
          AND YOU JUST GO RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN YOU'RE. 
          OH, AND I BUMPED FOR THERE. 
          IT'S GONE. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, WE HAVE IN SEVERAL INSTANCES HAD TO GO BACK AND CHANGE ZONING. 
          THAT WAS WRONG. 
          SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, IT HAS, WAS ZONE WRONG BECAUSE IT WAS IN PENCIL. 
          IT MAY NOT BE IN YOUR OPINION, IT MAY BE IN MINE IT'S OPINION. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S OPINION. 
          IT'S ALL OPINION. 
          MINE'S NOT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT SAY. 
          I MIGHT SAY PLANNING FOLKS. 
          GOOD DOT THE CHARITY CAME UP WITH A SPECIFIC 
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DAILY PLAN TRACKS. 
           UM, CONTRACT  NO, NO. 
          IF HE SAID THAT HE'S GOING TO BE IT. 
          WELL, WHO SAID, WHY IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT? STAMPS IF HE SAYS I'D LIKE TO, AND I NEED TO SEE THREE THAT'S AGAINST THE PLASTIC. 
          IF WELL,  NO. 
          HMM. 
          THAT'S STRANGE. 
          A WHOLE BROAD BAND ABUSES, WHICH YOU CAN'T DESIGN SOMETHING WITH A SPECIFIC, FOR A SPECIFIC, OH, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUCH A SMALL PIECE OF PLAN. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW I ALWAYS SKEPTICAL, YOU KNOW, KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          I JUST CAN'T. 
          AND MAYBE I'VE I'VE HAD THAT. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU GUYS WILL SEE THE CHANGE IN THIS PROPERTY OR ANYTHING THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THE INTEGRITY OR THE CHARACTER OF THIS TOWN OR SOMETHING. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT HE COULD POSSIBLY DO WITH THAT LITTLE PIECE OF LAND ON THIS. 
          I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION I AM, MAN. 
          UM, I GUESS, I GUESS FROM STANCE PERSPECTIVE AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN ONLY GIVE YOU WHAT MAKES SOUND REASONING SENSE FROM A LAND USE PLAN STANDPOINT. 
          THAT'S OUR PROFESSIONAL JOB TO DO IF YOU CHOOSE FRO REASONS. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION, BUT WE'RE TELLING FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT, A VERY THOUGHT THROUGH STANDPOINT, IT SHOULD NOT BE PRESENTED. 
          SO LET ME ASK YOU ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHY IS IT? AND I'M JUST, I'M JUST PRESUPPOSING THAT HIS NEIGHBORS UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ZONING IS NOW PROPOSED TO BE. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD SAY THAT THE FOLKS I SAW ON HERE WERE EDUCATED AND INTELLIGENT FOLKS NOTICE. 
          I SAID EDUCATED AND INTELLIGENT AS A PERSON WHO IS EDUCATED, I'M LIVING PROOF. 
          YOU DON'T NECESSARILY BE INTELLIGENT, BUT IN THIS CASE, THESE ARE EDUCATED AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE AND THEY DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH CHANGING. 
          DOES IT MEAN, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT OUR VIEWPOINT IS NOT EXACTLY ON THE MARK? WELL, I DID HAVE ONE, ONE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT SAID I'M NOT GOING TO STAND UP AND  WELL, DR. 
          JD, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS NOW TO DO ANYTHING NOW WITH IT? BUT, BUT, BUT FORGETTING THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, COULD YOU STILL PUT THE KIND OF BUILDING THAT YOU WANTED IF THE ZONING WAS NOT CHANGED? NO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE DIDN'T, IF WE LEFT THE ZONE AND JUST LIKE, IT IS ACCEPTING THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, COULD YOU DO ON THAT PROPERTY? WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO DO, YOU DO PERFORM WHATEVER SERVICE OR FUNCTION OR WHATEVER OTHER WORDS YOU GOT TO CHANGE DESIGN AND TO DO THE FUNCTION YOU WANT TO DO ON. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO . 
          WELL, EXCUSE ME. 
          I SAY 
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NOBODY HERE IN THIS ROOM TO QUESTION YOUR SOUL, BUT WHICH DEALT WITH SOMETHING COMES UP TO CHANGE, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE ZONED C4, AND THEN SOMEBODY DOES BUY THE PLAN. 
          THEN THEY CAN BUILD WHATEVER THEY CAN GET IN. 
          SO YOU THROW IT. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH, WITH EVEN CHANGING PHONE. 
            I THINK, I THINK WHAT THE PROBLEM IS HERE IS IF WE'VE GOT ONE SIDE, IT SAYS WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS AND WITH ALL GOOD INTENTIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE YOU AND LEANING FORWARD AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND THEN MIKE HAS GOT THE VIDEO COLD-HEARTED BUREAUCRAT, AND HE'S GOT TO SAY YES, BUT EVEN WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS, I'VE GOT THE BALL UP LIGHT. 
          THIS THING SAY THAT WE PROTECT EVERYBODY ELSE AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE HE'S COMING FROM. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE PAY HIM FOR. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ON THIS SIDE AND WE WERE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE. 
          SO THERE'S SOMEWHERE THAT YOU HAVE TO BEAT THIS LADY TOGETHER AND COME OUT WITH WHAT HAS TO BE RIGHT. 
          REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT AN F ROADS AND PAVING FOR ONE NIGHT. 
          OH, WHAT A LIFE ANYWAY. 
          SO DID WE HAVE ANY SORT OF MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SECOND ALL IN FAVOR OF COWS? WHY ISN'T THE PUBLIC HEARING SAY, AH, UH, ALL THE POSE. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OR I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE NUMBER EIGHT, WHATEVER IT IS A IN ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM C5 OFFICE TO INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT AND INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT TO C3 COMMERCIAL WE HAVE A SLACK, FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK MR. WARD WHETHER IT WAS PROPER SINCE HE WANTS TO PUT A PHARMACY THERE. 
          AND SINCE MY SON'S FATHER-IN-LAW PHARMACISTS, SHOULD I EVEN BE VOTING IN THIS LAND? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO TRY THAT. 
          I'VE TRIED TO FACE UP TO MY RESPONSIBILITY WITHOUT TAKING CARE OF IT. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT. 
          FOR ALL CONCERN, I CAN UNDERSTAND HIS CONCERNS. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC. 
          UH, YES. 
          WHY DID SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR YOU FORESEE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          I GUESS, UH, WE'LL CALL THE ROPE. 
          WE COLORADO TONIGHT. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          MR. RYAN WELL, NOW I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GET TACTICAL ABOUT THIS, BUT HE DID SAY FOR THE MEETING STARTED THAT HE MAY NOT DIDN'T HE SAY THAT HE MIGHT NOT HAVE TO STAY FOR THE WHOLE THING OR EXCUSE. 
          WELL, YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY. 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S COUNTED AS A YES. 
          YES, YES. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH WAY 
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SINCE HIS PASSING ANYWAY, THAT MIGHT KEEP ME OUT OF HOT WATER. 
          I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PRESSURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          I CAME TO TELL YOU. 
          IT'S TRUE. 
          I CAN SEE BY THE SIDES OF THE ISSUE, I REALLY DON'T. 
          I JUST SEEN FLIP A COIN ON WITH ANY, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY YES. 
          ANYWAY. 
          RIGHT? FLIP. 
          IT THAT'D BE QUITE, BUT THAT'LL BE IN THAT HUNDRED YEARS WORTH OF FLIPS. 
          COHEN LOSES HIS MIND. 
          CHRIS HAS GONE. 
          NO, I DON'T CARE TO PRAY. 
          CAN I'M ON VOTE? UH, WELL IT SAYS IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          WHAT DOES IT MATTER? I KNOW, BUT I'M TRYING TO ASK. 
          I ALWAYS TRY TO PREDICT WHICH WAY IT FEELS. 
          I CAN'T MAKE UP MY MIND. 
          WHICH WAY TO GO ON IT. 
          I'M ALL SAYING NO, NO. 
          PUT ME DOWN FOR A NIGHT. 
          OH, UH, THAT IS THE FIRST GRUESOME TWOSOME. 
          RIGHT? WHERE IS IT? OKAY. 
          WHAT'S NEXT? DID THAT? OKAY. 
          NUMBER NINE. 
          NOW THE FUNNEL PROBABLY HEARING AND ADOPT GORDON. 
          THAT'S ON THE QUESTION OF AMENDING THE ZONING MAP. 
          SO AS DESIGNED A RECREATION, SPORT HUNTING DISTRICT OF APPROXIMATELY 80 ACRES OF THE RL SCANNER PROPERTY LOCATED BETWEEN AND NORTH OF HARBOR DRIVE AND GLEN BURNIE ROAD, SOUTH CAROLINA AVENUE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT, MIKE OR SOMEBODY WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT MR. GEORGE? WHO ELSE? SCOTT, YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR YOU FROM MS. RL SCANNER TO RE ZONE TWO ZONE, AN AREA FOR A RECREATIONAL SPORT HUNTING OVERLAY DISTRICT. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO THIS DISTRICT WILL BE MR. SCANNER TO GET BIGGER. 
          HE HAS SUBMITTED SOME EVIDENCE PROPERTY, WHICH IS LOCATED ON  CREEK AND, UH, HAD THE TREES STRAW ABOUT FOUR YEARS, APPROXIMATELY THE EIGHT ACRES IN THE TRACK, MAN, THAT HE WANTS TO BE A HUT PEOPLE TO DISCUSS  AND IT'S NOT JUST . 
          HI. 
           I GOT ALEXA AND NOBODY HAS . 
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YEAH, HE'S BAD. 
          HE'S BAD. 
          IT'S PROBABLY HOLD IT UPSIDE DOWN. 
            UH  IF THE STATE SAYS, IF THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN DO IT IN THE CITY, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THEM THEN? WHY ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE TURTLES WHEN THEY GET RID OF IT? SO WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT YOU DEFINITELY HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT HE SAY THIS THING, IT'S AN INTERESTING, I, THIS ALL EVOLVES. 
          NO, I SHOT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT DEAD, BABY. 
          I THINK BIG HE'S A BIG 
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WE, UH, SCAN AGAIN. 
          IS HE STILL THAT? LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING. 
          WHAT, WHAT SIZE SHOT YOU USE? I GOT A  WAIT A MINUTE. 
          YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANTED TO START ONE, HONESTLY, THAT THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO ADDRESS. 
          IT'S THIS IS, I HAD SOME QUOTES CALL ME AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, I GUESS MEN'S IT. 
          LAST MONTH, WHATEVER I WAS SHAVING RIGHT BEFORE I CAME, SOMETIMES I HAVE TO SHAVE AGAIN THAT DAY I DID THE NIGHT JAM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, I GOT SEVERAL PHONE CALLS IN A ROW WHILE I'M SHAVING FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE TELLING ME THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THE POSSIBILITY OF AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW A HUNTING CLUB IN THE CITY OF NEWARK. 
          AND I TOLD THEM IT WAS NEWS TO ME. 
          I DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND THEY WERE ASKING ME, PLEASE DON'T LET IT HAPPEN. 
          WHENEVER I SAID, I CAN'T IMAGINE SUCH A TINY, YEAH. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          LEMME, LEMME, LEMME IS PAUL HARVEST. 
          SAY IT FOR THE REST OF THIS STORY. 
          AS I BEGAN TO, TO ASK AROUND, NOBODY KNEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO I SAID, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT. 
          THEN THE NEXT THING I KNEW, I HEARD ABOUT FELLA THAT HAD A BEAVER PROBLEM. 
          IT WAS GOING, THEY WANTED TO KILL HIS BABY. 
          SO I SAID, ALL RIGHT, I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND KILLING THE BEAVERS PROBLEM. 
          NUMBER ONE. 
          BUT NOW TONIGHT, WHAT I'M HEARING IS NOT UNDER KILLING THE BEAVERS WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING SOME OTHER HUNTING ALONG WITH KILLING THE BEAVERS, WHICH TO ME SEEMS LIKE TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS WHICH IS THE CHOICE WE HAVE TO MAKE. 
          HE CAN MAKE, HE CAN SUGGEST THAT. 
          THEN WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          THEY FLAT THE CONSIDERATION IS TO CHANGE THIS TO THE ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR HUNTING AND WHATEVER IT IS SO THAT HE COULD CONTINUE TO SHOOT FOR. 
          WELL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY AT THIS POINT, AND WE'LL HEAR FROM SOME OTHER PEOPLE, IS THERE SEEMS TO BE SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS TONIGHT. 
          AND FOR AN EXAMPLE, IS BUSINESS A DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS WITHIN THE CITY OF NEW BRITAIN? I THINK PRESIDENT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT YOU CAN DO IT IN DEFENSE WOULD BE LIVE. 
          I THOUGHT IT SAID DEFENSIVE, LIABLE PROPERTY. 
          IT MAY INVEST AWARD HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE MENTIONED GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 
          YOU GO ALL THE WAY FROM UP FROM WHAT IT A SNAKE, WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION I MIGHT LIVE ON THE RIVER. 
          AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          A RABBIT ANIMAL, UH, RODENTS, WHICH ARE DESTROYING YOUR PROPERTY SPORT, HONEY, THAT WOULD BE SHOOT FOR THE SQUIRREL, WHATEVER IT MUST'VE. 
          IT WAS AN ATTACK SQUIRREL. 
          LIKE JIMMY CARTER WAS ATTACK RABBIT. 
          I GUESS SOMEONE WHO IS APPLE 
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AND WHATEVER. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S A WHOLE GAMUT OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          AND TO ME, THEY RANGE IN, IN, INTO VARIOUS CATEGORIES OF SERIOUS IN SO FAR AS, UH, OBVIOUSLY A PAUL WASN'T A SNAKE OR A RABID ANIMAL, WHATEVER REQUIRES IN MY OPINION, UH, SOMETHING TO HAPPEN PRETTY SOON YOU'VE BEEN IN HALLWAY. 
          YOU GOTTA WAIT A RUN. 
          I'VE SEEN SOME SNAKES THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE, BUT, UH, YOU GOT ARRESTED, UH, MAYBE RANDOM YOU AWAKE, BUT ANYWAY, UH, SO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT, I THINK IS TO CONSIDER ALL THESE VARIOUS POSSIBILITIES IN THE ANSWER, BUT WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER FOLKS, THEY WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT IT. 
          THAT IF WE'RE NOT HITTING MIDNIGHT, I DO TURN INTO A PUMPKIN. 
          HE HAS ALREADY MADE IT AS IMPORTANT AS REALLY, RIGHT. 
          SO WE THINK WE UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 
          IF YOU'VE DONE AND WE'LL LOSE IT TO THE NEXT SLAM, YOU'LL BE DOWN FOR IT SINCE YOU'RE THE ONLY GUY LIVING ON THE LAND. 
          SO SOMEBODY ELSE FOR IT, THERE'S SOME OTHER SPORT. 
          THERE'S OTHERS OUT HERE TO THE FOREST, THE FOREST I'M NOT LOOKING AT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MY NAME IS TIM MCKEON. 
          I LIVE, UH, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM MR. SKINNER. 
          AND YOU DID GET CABLE TV. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I GOT AND BEAVER SITUATION IS A PROBLEM. 
          WHEN YOU COME HOME AND EVEN THEN YOU GOT A FULL WEEK AND WE'LL FREEZE IT. 
          YOU LIVE IN THERE DUMB. 
          THEN YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT, I CALLED WILDLIFE PEOPLE THIS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          AND THE WILDLIFE GUY TOLD ME THAT, UH, IF THEY'RE DESTROYING YOUR PROPERTY, THEN YOU HAVE TO WRITE THIS FOR THEM. 
          SO I DON'T LIKE TO SHOOT, BUT I DID. 
          I SHOT UP A YEAR AGO. 
          I CAN'T SAY HOW MANY LIKE THAT. 
          I JUST HIM, BUT THEY ARE A NUISANCE AND MORE SO THE DAMAGE THAT THEY'RE DOING THROUGH THE CREEK IS, IS A BIGGER PROBLEM. 
          NOW I ASKED, I HAD A LONG CHAT WITH THE WILDLIFE PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T ACCEPT ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BEAVERS. 
          THEY BROUGHT HIM BACK HERE, BUT THEY WON'T COME AND LIVE TRAP FROM THE MOVE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO DESTROY, THEY GET MORE THERE. 
          AND JUST AS SOON AS YOU SHOOT THEM, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE TO COME TO TAKE THEIR PLACE. 
          THE, UH, BUT THE BIGGER PART PROBLEM I SEE IN OUR PROPERTY IS THE DAMAGE BE B. 
          THEY'VE GOT DAMS ACROSS THE, UH, RANDY'S CREEK. 
          THEY FLOODED. 
          I'VE GOT ABOUT, OR OUR FAMILY HAS ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT ACRES THAT IS FLOODED AND THE TREES ARE DYING AND IT LOOKS TERRIBLE BACK THERE. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE BEAVERS. 
          AND I, UH, LIKE I SAY, I RESORTED TO A TRAP. 
          UH, A MAN COMES INTO MY FOOT. 
          HE HAS STEEL TRAPS, HE TRAPS, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF MR. SKINNER SHOOTING HIM OR ANYBODY ELSE ON HIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY ARE PEST. 
          THEY SHOULDN'T BE WITH NO CITY BEDS. 
          THE TRACKING THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BE DONE ON YOUR PROPERTY NOW DOING THE JOB, UH, HE CAN'T KEEP UP. 
          I DON'T THINK HE KEEP UP. 
          HE COMES IN AND JUST TODAY I WAS BACK THERE AND MY BRAIN BIKES ARE STOPPED UP A COLUMN AND HE'LL COME IN AND LOOK AND TRAVEL. 
          BUT THE BEAVER ARE COMING ALL THE WAY IN FROM THE NEUSE RIVER. 
          THERE'S THERE'S NO TELLING HOW MANY BEAVER ARE OUT THERE. 
          I'M SURE THERE'S I GUESS IT COMES FROM MARTIN MARIETTA OR ARE THEY MOVE AROUND? SO THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE, BUT THE CITY, SOME OF THESE SHOULD HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OR SOME OFFICERS SHOULD HAVE RESPONSIBILITY OF CLEANING THIS MESS UP AND GETTING THE WATERFALL. 
          AND ONCE YOU, IF YOU GET THE WATER FLOW GOING BACK IN AND OUT OF THERE FREE, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER HAND ON THE CONTROL OF THESE PETS. 
          THAT'S MY, OKAY. 
          YOU SAID THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SURE. 
          AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WELL, MA'AM WHEN YOU GET OUT AN OLD TRUCK, STOP IT. 
          RANDY'S CREEK THE CULVERT RIGHT THERE. 
          AND LOOK TO YOUR LEFT AND LOOK TO YOUR RIGHT. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE, I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE, BUT THOSE TREES ARE DYING. 
          THE TREES ARE UPROOTED. 
          IT CAUSES, UH, TRASH TO, UH, ACCUMULATE ON THOSE, UH, BEAVER DAMS. OKAY. 
          I I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEANT. 
          DID YOU MEAN THAT SOMEBODY TO TRAP SOMEBODY TO SHOOT UP ARTIST CLEAN UP HIGH WITH ME MAKING A MESS? 
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WELL, YOU GOTTA DO BOTH. 
          YOU GOT TO CLEAN THEM OUT AND THEN ONCE YOU GET IT CLEANED OUT AND YOU'LL HAVE A TRAPPER CAN GET IN THERE AND TRAP THEM BETTER, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN TRAP THEM UNDER WATER. 
          THEY CAN TRAP THEM ON LAND. 
          THEY CAN TRAP THEM IN THEIR LODGES. 
          I THINK THE POINT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IS YOU THINK THE CITY SHOULD DO SOMETHING CERTAINLY YES, SIR. 
          LAST NIGHT I WAS REVIEWING, I TOOK THE VIDEO TAPES AND BACK IN 91, UH, DAMAGES THAT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE DONE. 
          AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT JUST TO GET READY FOR THIS MEETING. 
          AND IT'S TERROR. 
          I MEAN THE ONCE GREEN TREES ARE DEAD, THEY'RE FALLING OVER AND IT'S ALL COUNTIES. 
          THESE BIG, I TALK WITH SOME, UH, WILDLIFE, BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONCERN WOULD BE BRUISING IS THE SKIN AS A PROBLEM. 
          AND THAT I WAS WONDERING, I WASN'T LOOKING FOR THE, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OPPOSED TO THAT BEING FOUND TO BE I'M OPPOSED TO THERE BEING SHOOTING IN THE SUIT. 
          AND, UM, THERE WERE SAYING THAT, YEAH, HE HAS A PROBLEM. 
          AND IT DOES CAUSE A LOT OF DAMAGE TO PROPERTY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT BEAVERS, BUT I DID LEARN THAT THEY DID WHATEVER THEY ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT ANIMAL  FROM TALKING TO THIS GENTLEMEN. 
          AND, UM, TYPICAL KIND OF GIRL, WHEN I HEAR TALKS ABOUT AWFUL THINGS, BUT TO HAVE TO SHINE A LIGHT ON THEM AND SHOOT THEM. 
          AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN. 
          THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU MUST DO AT NIGHT TO GET THEM. 
          SO HE SUGGESTED THAT THE BEST WAY TO RID YOURSELF OF FEVERS, ANYTHING, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT EXTINCTION. 
          UM, MR. JOE WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE AS WELL AS I DID. 
          HE SAID THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO CHECK THEM. 
          AND IF YOU CAN TRACK THEM, EVENTUALLY YOU CAN GET RID OF IT. 
          NOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEM IS SOME SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE THE CITY SHOULD TAKE AN INTEREST. 
          AND IF IT'S THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING THE CITY SHOULDN'T LOOK INTO. 
          IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COULD DO IN CONJUNCTION WITH PROPERTY OWNERS OPEN PROPERLY, WE SAY WE NEED TO CREATE, WE HAVE, UM, UM, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, YOU KNOW, WELL, THEY'RE REALLY NOT NICE TO HAVE AROUND AN AWFUL LOT OF DAMAGE. 
          LIKE SAY FLOODING THAT THEY DO OUR BROWN OUT THERE. 
          IT'S ALREADY LOW ENOUGH. 
          AND THEN THEY SEND IT BACK IN THAT QUARTER UP. 
          THEY REALLY CAUSE A LOT OF DAMAGE. 
          I LIKE TO SAY, I'D LIKE TO SEE, TO TALK TO SOME PEOPLE ON ANOTHER QUESTION AND SEE THAT HOW WIDESPREAD THE BEAVERS ARE, MEANING THAT IF IT'S LIKE FIRE ANTS, IF YOU JUST GOING TO PUT OUT THE FIRE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER DOZEN AND THAT'S AN OVERALL BIG PROBLEM, IT'LL BE, SHE COMPLETELY RUNS OUT OF AMMUNITION. 
          THE OTHER GUY I'LL BE WEARING JUST CRAPS OUT AND YOU'LL NEVER STOP THE PROBLEM. 
          I LIKE TO GET A HANDLE ON HOW BIG A PROBLEM THIS THING IS. 
          AND SEE IF WE WERE JUST WAVING IN THE WIND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO KILL HIM THIS WAY OR WHATEVER, OR IS IT SOMETHING WE COULD ADDRESS? IT, IT'S JUST A LOCALIZED PROBLEM AND WE CAN GRAB ERADICATE ON  SHE  MR. MAYOR. 
          UH, I TRAVELED THAT. 
          IT LOOKS THROUGH FAIRLY OFTEN AND UNTIL THE TORNADO HIT FEBRUARY A YEAR AGO, IT DROPPED THE LIAM ON MY LITTLE BOAT. 
          I USED TO FISH CREEK A LITTLE BIT THERE. 
          CATCH BASS. 
          NICE UNDERSTAND. 
          IT'S PRETTY WELL DAMMED UP NOW. 
          AND I KNOW THE ALGEBRA LOADED AREA WATER THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING UP ON BOTH SIDES OF OATS ROAD. 
          IT'S A VERY REAL PROBLEM. 
          NOBODY DENIES THAT. 
          I THINK WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT SOLVING IT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK CREATING A SPECIAL HUNTING RECREATION DISTRICT IS, IS THE WAY TO GO SO PURE AND SIMPLE. 
          AND I AM NOT AS SUCH AN ANIMAL ADVOCATE I HAD, I DID KILL IT THERE THIS, THIS YEAR. 
          UH, OF COURSE I DID IT WITH THE 1994 TOLERANCE INSTEAD OF COSTING ABOUT $1,200 IN REPAIRS, BUT THAT DIDN'T KILL THE IT ANYWAY. 
          UH, I CAN'T 
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GO ALONG WITH CREATING A LOVING DISTRICT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT DOWN ON THE POINT, IF A, IF YOU HAVE A BEAVER DOWN THERE AND YOU'RE SHOOTING WITH A SHOTGUN, THAT'S FINE. 
          AND SOMEBODY HALF MILE AWAY, HE CAN'T SAY MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE PIECE OF AREA, THAT ENTIRE PIECE OF LAND BEING INCLUDED, WHICH INCLUDES YOU BEING MUCH FURTHER UP IN THAT PROPERTY, CLOSER TO HOUSES. 
          WELL, FROM THAT, FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, AERIAL SHOT, I SAW FURTHER I COULD GO. 
          I DON'T, I JUST CAN'T. 
          I CAN'T GO ALONG WITH, WITH CREATING A MUNDANE DISTRICT BECAUSE THAT OPENS IT UP TO SO MANY OTHER THINGS. 
          IF YOUR PROBLEM IS BEAVERS, LET'S LIMIT IT TO BEAVERS AND FIND A WAY THE CITY NOW IS ENGAGED IN THE PROGRAM AND GET GOOD SOMETHING. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEM AND DRAIN AGENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          UH, FINE. 
          LET'S WORK ON THAT. 
          OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS MAYBE CAN HELP, BUT TO JUST SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU CAN GO IN THERE AND HUNT ANYTHING. 
          THAT'S I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          SNAKE COMES IN YOUR YARD SHOOTING. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          IF YOU SEE RACCOON THAT APPEARS TO BE RABID AND DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WELL, I'D LIKE TO FINISH FIRST, BUT ANYWAY, GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          LEMME, LEMME ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          THE OTHER FELLOWS THAT SAID THEY WERE FOR IT. 
          ARE YOU HERE JUST TO SUBSTANTIATE, TO SUBSTANTIATE THAT THERE'S A BEAVER PROBLEM. 
          LET THE FATHER COME UP, MISS AGAINST IT. 
          IS IT M IS HERE. 
          HOW MANY HERE ARE AGAINST IT? OKAY. 
          IT'S 4, 5, 6. 
          UH, WHY AM I HERE? HEY, HERE'S THE WAY WE'RE RUNNING THE MEAT. 
          WE'RE HERE FROM THE WINES. 
          IT'S BOY, THERE WE GO. 
          HERE. 
          THE ONES THAT'S AGAINST IT AND THEY WERE MAKING THIS GET ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IF YOU, ALRIGHT, COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ASS AND YEAH, NO. 
          OR, HEY, JUST TO DRESS US, DON'T WORRY ABOUT HIM RIGHT NOW. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'VE GOT   
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ALL RIGHT. 
          LET ME, LET ME PULL ONE OUT SAMPLE. 
          THIS PETITION SAYS THE FOLLOWING LIST AND CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY WOODROW OR COLORS OR THE PLANNING BOARD'S CONSIDERATION OF THE RECREATIONAL SPORT HUNTING DISTRICT OR THE RICHARD SCANDAL PROPERTY. 
          WE FEEL THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA, WITH ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING CHILDREN LOCATED THERE AND FOR THE INCONVENIENCE OF THE NOISE THAT WE MAY BE MADE AS A RESULT OF THE USE OF FIREARMS, PLEASE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT OF THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS AREA AND NOT THAT OF THE MINORITY OF THE CITIZENS IN THERE. 
          AND LET ME SAY THAT IF I WAS LIVING THERE, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SIGNED THIS PETITION ALSO WITH A HEADING STATED, THE WAY IT'S STATED, THIS IS NOT A PETITION SAYING THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SHOT OR SHOT AT OR WHATEVER. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT WELL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD AS TO WHAT WERE ACTUALLY DOCUMENTED AND NOT DOCUMENTED. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THESE SAY. 
          THE TUBERS ARE. 
          ALL RIGHT? SURE. 
          EVERYBODY CAN VIEW  THAT BACK OUT. 
          HE'S TRYING TO SHARE IT WITH THEY WON'T. 
          THEY WANT YOU TO GO BACK UP TO THIS MICROPHONE SO YOU CAN, EVERYBODY CAN HEAR, LET ME ASK YOU THIS FIRST OFF. 
          WHY DON'T YOU SAY IT IS? HIS BOAT WAS IN HIS YARD AND SOMEBODY SHOT HIM. 
          WIND CHILL OUT. 
          AND POLICE LADY CAME. 
          THEY LEFT IT OVER AND ATE TOGETHER. 
          I GUESS, DETERMINED THAT THE SHOT MUST'VE COME FROM THAT AWAY. 
          FIRST OFF, LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. 
          DID YOU FIND A BULLET? DID YOU FIND SOME SHOP? HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THAT IT WAS A BULLET? I MEAN, HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THAT? I MIGHT SAY SHIT BOB, SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, DOOR. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? UH, ABOUT SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO. 
           DIRECTION. 
          AS SOON AS IT PUT WITH THE SHADY CUP. 
          SO I DIDN'T TAKE TIME TO JUST FADE AWAY AND ASK GOD TO CLEANSE. 
          I WENT IN THE HOUSE. 
          I TOLD MY WIFE, SHE DON'T CALL VERIFIED. 
          I TOLD HER I LIKE GOT SHOT IN MY OWN YARD AND I CAME IN TO SEE HIM. 
          YOU WAS IT COMING FROM  PROPERTY? YES MA'AM. 
          DID IT SOUND LIKE A HIGH POWERED RYAN?  I NEVER PAID MUCH. 
          AND JOEL STEPH STARTED GETTING SHOT AND I LIKE THAT SHOT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO GET SHOT, NOT KILLED 
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25 30. 
          FEEL THE BEER, THE WAY OF SEVERAL OTHER CLOUDS. 
          AND YOU GOT SLOGAN. 
          WELL LET ME SAY THIS, MR. BLOOMBERG, TELL US ABOUT, ABOUT TWO INSTANCES. 
          ARE THERE ANY MORE ANYMORE OF THE RIFLES OR BULLETS OR JAILS OR WHATEVER? OH, MAN. 
          I'LL UP? SHOUT. 
          GET READY TO GO. 
          PRACTICE, MAN. 
          UH, SHOTS KNOWING AT FIVE OR SIX SHOOT SHOTS. 
          OKAY. 
          I BOY, TO GET DRIED OFF, IT STARTED RAINING AND I WAS CALLED AND NOTIFIED AND ASKED ME, DID I HIT IT?  TALK TO YOU. 
          MAYBE A COUPLE OF BOOKS, SOMETIMES ADULT  BACK HOME. 
          WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          WHERE DO YOU THINK THOSE SHOTS CAME FROM? IT CAME FROM THAT DIRECTION, BUT FINE, BUT  THAT WAY. 
          BUT THERE WERE SOME SHOTS. 
          I OTHER PEOPLE HEARD THEM. 
          I DON'T WANT TO ASK ROGER. 
          WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY CAME FROM? WELL, EXCUSE ME, JUST A SEC. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. 
          I SAID I WAS IN . 
          I DID NOT SAY I HEARD THE SHOTS RIGHT AFTER THE SHOT WHILE I WAS IN THE SHOP AND THE PHONE RANG LIKE THAT. 
          AND SHOUT DROWN, ANSWERED THE PHONE. 
          DOWNLOAD THAT THROUGH YOUR PHONE, DIVORCE STOLEN. 
          DID YOU HEAR THAT OR YOU DIDN'T HEAR? I DIDN'T HEAR IT, BUT YOU GOT TO GET ANY GUY ACROSS THE STREET. 
           CALLED HIM. 
          AND WHEN I TALKED TO THE POLICE OR WHOEVER, EXCUSE ME, JUST, IF YOU ALLOW ME JUST HOLD ON JUST A SEC. 
          NOW, WHEN I ASKED ROGER, YOU HEARD THE SHOTS, WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY CAME FROM? WHERE DO THEY COME?  TRYING TO GET SHOTS. 
          I WENT DOWN THERE. 
           RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY WERE BIGGER. 
           NAH. 
          AND I MAY, LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING, MR. BLOOMBERG. 
          WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE FILE. 
          NUMBER ONE, OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE BEEN SOME SHOTS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IN ALL HONESTY, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM, WHO SHOT THEM OR WHETHER THEY MISSED A SCANNER, WHETHER IT WAS A MEDIA, RIGHT. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED. 
          WE DO KNOW THAT IT MISSED A SCANNER IS THAT THEY'RE ASKING TO SHOOT. 
          MR. SCANNER SAID HE HAS SHOT IN THE PAST AND WANTS TO CONTINUE TO SHOOT IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS TONIGHT. 
          THE METHODOLOGY FOR APPROACHING THAT WAS DESIGNED ACCORDING TO THIS THING, UH, THIS THING INTO, INTO RECREATION, SPORT, HUNTING DISTRICT, ETC. 
          ETC. 
          THEY HAD ALSO IS A QUESTION THAT THE PEOPLE ON THIS PETITION ADDRESSED AND THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT IT. 
          AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND IT. 
          THOSE OF US SITTING ON THIS BOARD DON'T WANT IT EITHER. 
          NOW THAT IS A, THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          THAT'S THE, MAN'S GOT A BEAVER PROBLEM. 
          WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM. 
          HE'S GOT MAYBE A RABBIT ANIMAL TO COME INTO HERE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM. 
          BUT THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS WE GONNA TRY TO SEPARATE ALL THIS OUT AND ADDRESS THEM AS THEY COME THIS BOARD. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO TEST, TAKE A STRAW VOTE. 
          IS THERE SUCH A THING AS THAT? IS THERE ANYBODY HERE IN FAVOR OF A HUNTING CLUB OR ANYTHING 
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ON THAT LAND AND ANYBODY IN FIGHTING WITH THE SPORT SHOOTING, RECREATIONAL CLUB ON ANY OF THAT LAND, IT AIN'T GOING TO FLY SO YOU CAN TELL EVERYBODY AND THOSE, THE COUPLE, MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED TO CALL ME THAT AIN'T GOING TO FLY, BUT WE GOING TO ADDRESS THE MAN'S PROBLEM. 
          NOT HERE, ANY MORE SHOOTING, CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THOSE GUYS THAT WERE ALREADY DRINKING, FIRING GUNS WERE ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW. 
          AND I GUESS THEY'RE CRIMINALS OF SOME SORT JUST BY DEFINITION. 
          SO I CAN'T SAY THAT SOMEBODY AIN'T GOING TO COME OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING OR ELSE I'D HAVE SOME AWESOME POWER. 
          AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE WOODEN HAMMER I GOT UP HERE. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, BUT I WILL SAY THAT IF THEY DO, THEY'LL BE BREAKING THE LAW AND WE'LL TRY TO ADDRESS THAT AND DO THE BEST WE CAN ABOUT IT, WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE POLICE GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF THEY CAN. 
          AND YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET A LICENSE NUMBER OR SOMETHING IF YOU SEE THEM, OR LIKE IN ROGER'S CASE, IF HE SEES ABOUT THAT AGAIN, BUT THERE IS A BEAVER PROBLEM, THERE IS AN ANIMAL PROBLEM AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS. 
          IN FACT, WOULD YOU ADMIT THAT THERE IS A BEAVER PROBLEM? WHAT'D YOU ADMIT THAT WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS IT. 
          AND THEN THAT MAY BE A CONSIDERATION WE HAVE TO MAKE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM. 
          SO IS ANYBODY ELSE THEY'RE SUPPOSE TO IT? YOU GOT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THEY'D LIKE TO ADD AND IT'S A FAR AS WE KNOW, YOU'RE OPPOSED TO THE RECREATIONAL SPORT HUNTING THING. 
          IT'D WE ALL RECOGNIZE THERE IS A BEAVER PROBLEM AND SO FORTH AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS IT. 
          SO, I MEAN, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A COMPELLING REASON, THEY WANT TO GET UP AND SPEAK. 
          YOU'D GO AHEAD AND GOT OKAY. 
          WELL, WELL NOW WHY Y'ALL Y'ALL Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT, BUT ANYWAY, THE CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ON THE QUESTION OF CHANGING THIS THING TO A RECREATION SPORT HUNTING DISTRICT. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I MEAN, NOW THAT WHITES, NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY BEFORE WE TOTALLY CLOSE IT. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ADDITIONAL OR POINT THEY WANT TO RAISE IT? HASN'T BEEN RAISED. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I USED TO WATCH JUDGE WALTON OR ON TV AND I SAID, MAN, I WOULDN'T GET INTO THAT FOR ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD BEING WORSE, BUT MUCH LESS MONEY WELL, WHAT LOOK, BUT LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN. 
          SO I KNOW, BUT WAIT A MINUTE, STOPPING BULLETS, I GOT EXPLAINED SOMETHING TO YOU IN THE HAMMOCK IN ALL HONESTY. 
          AND EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, NO, THAT DOESN'T, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHICH IS THIS WAY AND THAT WAY, THE OTHER POINT, AND I'M NOT, I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY'S TELLING THE TRUTH. 
          AND EVEN ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY'S TELLING THE TRUTH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE ALL DISAGREEING WITH EVERYTHING. 
          ISN'T THERE'S A WAY WE CAN READ YOU A RESOLUTION TO THIS. 
          ANYWAY, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, WE'RE NOT HERE TO HAVE A DEBATE BETWEEN MR. BLOOMBERG AND MR. SCANNER. 
          NOT THIS EVENING, THE GUY SAID, WELL, HOW MANY? WELL, WE HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED THAT. 
          IT WAS EVEN A RIFLE SHOT. 
          SOMETHING BROKE THE GLASS OUT. 
          VERY POSSIBLY A RIFLE, BUT WHO KNOWS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON AT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE HERE. 
          SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT BEST WAY, I CAN, DOES ANYBODY FEEL LIKE THAT? I NEED TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE. 
          IT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          UH, TWO DOGS. 
           WAIT A MINUTE. 
          YOU GOT, YOU GUYS GOTTA TAKE THAT UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU. 
          YES, THIS IS THE WAY THE MEETING HAS TO GO. 
          WE HAVE 
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A, BEFORE US, A PUBLIC HEARING ON WHETHER THIS THING IS GOING TO BE A SPORT, RECREATIONAL ZONE, WHATEVER THAT WELL, I WASN'T GOING TO ADD TO THE FOOD. 
          THAT'S IT? THAT'S THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          DO WE HIM OPEN THE PUBLIC HERE? AND WE'VE HEARD THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING NEW TO ADD THEY WERE ALREADY CONSIDERED AREAS FOR HUNTING BEFORE THEY CAME IN AND SAID SOMETHING THAT DO THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          NO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE'VE CREATED THESE TWO. 
          HE DIDN'T COME UP AT THAT TIME ANYWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT IT TO SAY THAT I HAVEN'T GOT A LOT OF CALLS FROM PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO OPPOSED TO THE CHANGING OF THE ZONE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE RECREATION ACTIVITIES ON THAT NIGHT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IT HAS BEEN PLED OUT TO US THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH BEAVERS. 
          A DEMAND WAS SET. 
          SO WE LIKED VERY MUCH TO GET WITH THOSE OF YOU, MR. SKINNER AND OTHERS, THAT THE CITY CAN WORK WITH YOU ON HOW WE DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS WITH BIG MONEY. 
          BUT AS FAR AS REZONING THAT NIGHT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE REQUEST TO ZONE THE LAND IN ORDER TO ALLOW RECREATIONAL HUNTING DENIED. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M AT FIRST ASCERTAIN THAT WE HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          DID WE DO THAT? DID YOU MAKE A NOTE OF THAT? YES, WE HAVE AS THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASHLEY'S MADE A MOTION THAT WE DENIED THIS ANY SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT, UH, WE RECOGNIZE THE PROBLEM. 
          WE RECOGNIZE THE SITUATION, RABID ANIMALS AND ALL THIS OTHER KIND OF BUSINESS, AND WE WILL ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, BUT THE CURE TO THE PROBLEM, AT LEAST IT'S BEEN PROPOSED IS NOT THIS APPROACH. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST THING WE CAN GET PAST THIS. 
          AND THEN I HAVE NUTS. 
          OKAY. 
          MY OTHER SON DID, WHAT I ASKED ME US TO DO IS TO DENY THE REQUEST BASED ON CONCERN COMMUNITY OR REZONE IN THIS AREA TO ALLOW IT TO BE OKAY. 
          AND THEN SINCE MR. SKINNER SAID THAT HE GOT PROBLEM WITH BE BECAUSE HE JUST WOULDN'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE COULD DO ABOUT THESE BEANS. 
          WE CAN GIVE, WE COULD TALK TO MR. SKIN AND WE CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO DINNER WITH HIS BB. 
          HE HAS TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM WITH BEANS, YOU KNOW, CHECKING IN WORKING SO WE CAN GET TOGETHER. 
          TALK ABOUT WHAT CAN WORK. 
          AS FAR AS WHO'S FEEDING THIS TICKET, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE OF CHANGING THE SODOMY. 
          I'VE ASKED YOU THAT WE DENIED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY? SO LIKE HOW CAN WE, THAT ONE REQUEST WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED? THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE TIME THE REQUEST MAY HAVE BEEN SHOOT FAVORS NAILING BY FALL OF LAST YEAR, THERE HAS BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. 
          NOTHING'S CHANGED. 
          IT'S STILL WITH, AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT TURN INTO A RECREATIONAL HONEY. 
          NO, I DON'T THINK I CAN. 
          UH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE A RESTRICTION WITHIN THERE TO WHERE THEY CAN SHOOT SHOTGUN. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A BEAVER 20 G 20 DAVE GOT ORDERED 
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TO CALL . 
          NAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT LESS STICK TO WHAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON. 
          NOW, IF VOTE IS THAT WE DON'T WANT RECREATIONAL. 
          AFTER THAT MOTION HAS BEEN DENIED. 
          YOU VOTE ON IT. 
          THEN YOU COME WITH A SUGGESTION. 
          THEN YOU WORK IN A WORK SESSION, TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          THEN YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH THIS MOTION ON THE TAPE HERE, WE GOT TO DO THIS. 
          YOU GOT TO RESOLVE THIS FIRST, THEN GO TO THE NEXT DAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S BEEN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          IT CAN BE ALRIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING IT. 
          SAY AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED. 
          NO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S OBVIOUSLY HAPPENED. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WE MISSED THE SCAN OF IT'S TALKING TO THIS IS SCAM. 
          OKAY. 
          A FEW MINUTES AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF YOU PUT A CAP ON IT. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF YOUR FEET. 
           TALK ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF THE PEOPLE YOU SAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE ZONE THAT YOU JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET RID OF THE SNAKES. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE WORK WITH THE WORK? THE MAIL IS NEEDED. 
          SOMEONE. 
          IT SAYS A PERSON CAN PROTECTED PROPERTY. 
          EXPLAIN THAT TO ME AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING. 
          IF WE READ THIS THING AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THIS IS ONE, AND I GOT A CALL FROM MANAGER THE OTHER DAY, AND THE MAN HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING SOMETHING SUCH AS THIS. 
          IF A BOY SHOULD NOT WANT TO GO ALONG WITH THE OVERLAY, WE HAVE TO PROVISION AT ONE PROVISION IN THE CODE AND ONE PROVISION IN THE LAND USE OR THE SITE. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT INTO THE LAND. 
          USUAL DID A DISCHARGE, A FIREARM CITY SETS UP THE TWO NOW DISTRICTS, WHICH YOU'RE COMMITTED TO HIDE IF YOU'RE LICENSE. 
          SO THIS WOULD AFFECT CHANGE. 
          AND SECTION FOUR TO SIX DAYS TO THE CITY CODE, IT READS THAT SECTION 42, THE CITY CODE AND THE CITY OF NEWMAN ENTITLED DISCHARGED YOUR FIREARMS OR PELLET GUN. 
          THEY IN THE SAME JAIL BY AMENDED, BY REWRITING SUB PARAGRAPH A TWO TO READ THIS BOX. 
          THIS IS THE EXCEPTION TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT NO ONE DISCHARGE PRIVATE CITIZEN AND JUSTIFY OR SELF DEFENSE, THAT'S THE WAY IT READS. 
          NOW. 
          THEN I ADDED PROVIDED HOW NOTHING HEARING CONTAINED SHALL PREVENT THE OWN OF UNDEVELOPED WOODLAND, WETLANDS, DISCHARGING SMALL CALIBER WEAPONS ON HIS OWN PROPERTY. 
          AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED AT LEAST THREE, 300 FEET REMOVED RESIDENCE. 
          THERE'S A STREET RIGHTS OF WAY. 
          PURPOSE OF READING HIS PROPERTY, ANGRY REPTILES, ROTORS, INCLUDING SMALL CALIBER WEAPONS ARE DEFINED AS 22 CALIBER RIFLES. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING I PUT TOGETHER THE LATE. 
          WELL, I TOLD HIM THAT HE READ THAT TO ME. 
          I TOLD HIM THAT I DIDN'T AGREE WITH WANTING TO TWO. 
          I THINK DAVE, THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE, I DON'T, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE. 
          I MEAN, WHEN YOU GO DOVE FACING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CLOSER 300 FEET ALL THE TIME SHOOTING NUMBER 8, 7, 6 SHOT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO, I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN PRETTY WELL  DISTANCES ARE INVOLVED IN THAT KIND OF THING, BUT AS FAR AS ADDRESSING POISONOUS SNAKES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I GOT THEM AROUND MY HOUSE, PRETTY BIG ONES THAT COME UP OUT OF THE REVEREND, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, I'VE TRIED TO WISH THEM AWAY, YOU KNOW, TALK THEM TO DEATH AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          I MEAN, YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING WELL, BIRD JOHN AND THE 22, THAT'S PRETTY HARMLESS, YOU KNOW, 30 FEET AWAY OR WHEN HE FEED AWAY, BUT IT'LL KILL THE SNAKE PLUGS, YOU KNOW? AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I, I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD VOTE ON TONIGHT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT REASONABLY PEOPLE OFTEN TALK ABOUT AND SEE IF WE CAN'T COME TO MORE OF A AIRTIGHT CONCLUSION, SO NOBODY GETS HURT, BUT IT DOES ADDRESS A PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM? WE THINK ABOUT IT AND DO THIS THING. 
          THIS IS NOT IN ORDER, BUT GO AHEAD AND SAY IT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT 
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ANYBODY TO LEAVE  YOU COULD, IF YOU CAN PUT IT ON A FOOT AWAY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE IN THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT SAID UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY IS THE WAY HE'S GOT IT. 
          READ THE BILL PROMISE BUT WE'RE NOT CHANGING THIS. 
          THIS WOULD HAVE ALLOWED PEOPLE TO GO ON SQUIRRELS, RABBITS. 
          IT WOULDN'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO UP  BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SHOOTING THINGS IN THE AIR. 
          WELL, WHAT ARE THESE THINGS WHERE I'M ASLEEP? LIKE THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING ALL THIS NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED, MADE BALL APPROVED, WHATEVER, WITH ALL THE THINGS HE AND NUMERATED, NOTHING FLIES. 
          NOBODY'S GOTTEN A BUSINESS SHOOTING IN THERE. 
          SO IF SOMETHING FALLS IN YARD, SOMEBODY BROKE THE LAW. 
          IF THIS WAS ENACTED. 
          BUT WHAT MY PROPOSAL IS IS TO NOT PASS EVEN THIS, TO LOOK AT IT, TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND I MEAN, ONE THING WE FOUND WAS THE 20 TO GET RID OF THE 22, THEY CAN FLY OFF AND POP SOMEBODY HALF A MILE AWAY ON THE FOUR, 10 SHOTGUN APPROACH OR WHATEVER. 
          SO SAY WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          HE IS, GIVE US A CHANCE MR. SCANNER, AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED TO TRY TO REACH SOME KIND OF REASONABLE SOLUTION TO THE THINGS THAT WE CAN KILL WHAT'S NECESSARY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND NOT IN DANGER TO PO. 
          SO WE GOT A WORK SESSION COMING UP. 
          WHEN IS IT NEXT MONTH I'LL PUT, MAYBE YOU NEED TO PUT IT ON LAND. 
          AND THE MAIN TIME, LIKE FOR YOU TO ALSO GET CHECKED THE WILDLIFE EVEN AND SO FORTH, JUST AS PART OF THE QUESTION AND FIND OUT IS WHAT IS KILLING BEAVERS ON AN ENDING VENTURE ON L OVER THE PLACE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE MASSIVE APPROACH TO THIS THING. 
          DO WE NEED, I MEAN, MAYBE A BEAVER BEAVER IS A TERRIBLE, THEY ARE ALL, WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? DOES IT NEED TO BE A CITY PROBLEM WHERE WE LOOK AT IT AS A CITY, SOMEBODY MENTIONED TEARING UP THERE THEY'RE DAMNED, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE SOME WAY TO DISCOURAGE THEM. 
          THEY JUST GET TIRED OF TEARING DOWN AND BUILD IT UP AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY JUST CHOP DOWN MORE TREES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN, WE DO HAVE COPIES OF THAT. 
          AND MAYBE PATRICK, I MEAN, YEAH, BUT THAT'S JUST THE BEGINNING. 
          I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THERE'D BE A DANGER AND GIVING IT OUT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN TIGHTENED UP ON THAT ONE YET. 
          SO SOMEBODY SAY 22 AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, HAVE WE ALREADY TOSSED OUT 22? SO YOU KNOW, LET'S WAIT TILL WE REFINE IT. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING. 
          BRUCE IS STILL OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS. 
           WAIT ON EVERYBODY IN THEIR HIGH, THEIR YARD BEING RAINED ON WITH SHOT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. 
          I'M GOING TO TREAT MYSELF AS IF I WAS TONIGHT. 
          LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY. 
          YOU KNOW, DON'T TRY TO ADDRESS ALL WELL, WE'LL TRY IF Y'ALL CAN HELP US. 
          IF YOU HEAR SHOOTING AND SEE SOMEBODY LIKE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW SHOOTING AND DRINKING AND ALL THIS BUSINESS, GET THE LICENSE NUMBER, WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THAT. 
          WELL, CALL US LESLIE, WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. 
          WHAT'S GOING ON WITH, YEAH. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN. 
          NEXT THING ON HERE, WHERE IS IT? I'M ALREADY LOST TIME. 
          BUT HE SAYS THAT HE SAYS TO DAN, I HAVE THE HEARING AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE ON THE QUESTION. 
          MEN MANNING, ARTICLE 19 SCREENING TREES AND PLANNING SECTION 15 DASH 3 79 PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS WITH REMOVAL OF TREES IN CERTAIN AREAS. 
          SO AS TO ESTABLISH PERMITTING PREPLAN AND BURFORD AND SITE CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS, A LOT OF SET OF PARTIALLY OR TOTALLY A TIMBER HARVEST AND WENT AND SAY THIS PLANNING, JURISDICTION. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          UH, WHEN YOU HAVE, BEFORE YOU IS A REWRITE, AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU INITIALLY BACK IN SEPTEMBER, AS YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF, UH, DISCUSSION, UH, BACK BAD A YEAR AGO. 
          IN THE SPRING, WE HAD A SERIES OF TRACKS IN CITY THAT WERE CUT CLEAR CUT, AND WE RECEIVED A NUMEROUS PHONE CALLS FROM INDIVIDUALS CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF SUCH ACTIVITIES. 
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UM, LIKEWISE, AS A RESULT OF DISCUSSIONS, DEALING WITH THE ETJ, THE ISSUE AS AGAIN, RESURFACE TO BAD, THE IMPACT OF CLEAR CUTTING ACTIVITIES AND ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AS THE CITY'S GROWING AND DEVELOPING THESE KINDS OF USES ARE, ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE OF AN ISSUE. 
          THIS REWRITE ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE VOICED AT THE, UH, THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO, UH, DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF ACREAGE SIZE WE'VE EXEMPTED PROPERTIES UNDER ONE ACRE, WHICH THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE DID NOT. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE EXEMPTED, UH, LEGITIMATE TIMBER HARVESTING OPERATIONS FROM THE 23 TREE PER ACRE PLANNING REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, JUST A NUMERATED IN NUMBER ONE. 
          AND THIS DOES INSTITUTE A 50 FOOT BUFFER, PARTICULARLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH I THINK IS THE MAIN FOCUS OF CONCERN, A LOT OF RESIDENTS. 
          AND IT DOES PROVIDE SOME DEVIATION FROM THAT BUFFER REQUIREMENT, PARTICULARLY ON THE INTERIORS AND TRACKS, WHERE YOU GOT ADJACENT LANDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR TIMBER HARVESTING OPERATIONS WITH NO BUFFER REQUIRED. 
          I'LL ALSO ADD THAT THIS IS NOT SORT OF THE LAST SAY SO ON THIS ISSUE THAT ONCE THE SITE IS MADE AVAILABLE FOR REDEVELOPMENT, THE PURCHASER OF THAT PROPERTY OR THE OWNER OF THAT TRACK HAS THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, REVIEW, UH, APPROVAL PROCESS WITH THE CITY TO REMOVE FURTHER THAN ANNOTATION IN THOSE BUFFER AREAS. 
          AND THE IDEA OF THE BUFFER IS SORT OF A TEMPORARY INTERMEDIATE MEASURE TO HELP REDUCE THE IMPACT OF THAT CLEAR CUTTING ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER YOUR, UH, DOES ANYBODY HERE GET SOMEBODY TO COME FORWARD AND TELL US ABOUT MY NAME IS ZACH TAYLOR AND A FEW THINGS I LIKE TO SAY IN OPPOSITION TO THE TONIGHT HEARING IS THE, UM, THE METHOD OF NOTICE. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS, TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH IT FOR THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AND HAVE BEEN CALLING CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, TALKING TO SUE HORACE, AND ABOUT EVERY TWO WEEKS TO SEE WHEN THE PLANNING SECTION WERE COMING UP. 
          AND DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THIS UNTIL THIS MORNING, GENTLEMAN OUT OF TOWN CALLED ME AND ASK ME WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          SO THEN I UNDERSTAND IT WAS PUBLISHED IN A NEWSPAPER AND I YET LAST WEEK BE ABLE TO FIND IT IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
          IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PUBLISHED, UM, FEBRUARY 2ND AND NINTH. 
          AND I WENT ALL THROUGH THE NIGHT ISSUE. 
          DIDN'T SEE THE, THE AID, THERE WERE 2:00 AM DRAWING. 
          SO TYPICALLY WAY WE'VE BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THIS, WE READ THE AD, ANNOUNCING THE PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY HALL. 
          THIS WAS NOT IN THAT AGE. 
          IT WAS A SEPARATE AND SMALLER AND COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THAT. 
          AND ON ANOTHER PAGE. 
          SO IVF FINE. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS, UH, BESIDE MYSELF, UH, COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          AND A LOT OF THEM DON'T KNOW THAT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, LESS OVERWHELMING. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH POST-PLANNING? IS THAT, UH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO  I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST WE POSTPONED TO LET PEOPLE THAT I ANSWER THAT FIRST, READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT DISCUSSION WITH GREG AND MIKE TODAY. 
          AND I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF IT. 
          I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT. 
          AND THERE'S SOME PEOPLE IN THE TIMBER BUSINESS THAT ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THEM. 
          AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHAT IT WOULD HURT. 
            TRENT PRIVATE LANDOWNER IN NEWBURN. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WHERE YOU AT? WE DID GROUP WHEN WE STARTED DOING THE FIRST LAND USE. 
          WELL, I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT BACK TO THE THREE YEARS AGO, AND I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT I'VE BEEN, UH, ADMITTEDLY NOT PAYING AS CLOSE ATTENTION LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AS I DID THEM. 
          BUT IN, JUST IN READING THE ORDINANCE TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ABOUT A YEAR, I SEE WHERE OUR 15 TREES PER ACRE 
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HAS BEEN INCREASED TO 23 PER ACRE. 
          IF YOU DON'T DO CERTAIN THINGS. 
          AND, UM, IT USED TO BE THAT IF YOU HAD A CLEAR CUT SITE AND PUT YOUR 15 TREES IN THAT SATISFIED, I THINK MORE TIGHTER CONTROLS ARE BEING, UH, AF SOMEBODY AFTER TIGHTER CONTROLS THE NAME IN THE 15 THREE PARADE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION TO STAB HAS THIS, HOW DRASTICALLY HAS THIS CHANGED SINCE YOU CAME OVER THE FIRST THIS IS THE SAME ONE. 
          NOTHING HAS CHANGED ON A TREE. 
          MR. TAYLOR'S  WHAT ELSE IN THAT ONE IS ALL YOU HAVE SOME DISCOMFORT WITH THAT WOULD MAKE US LATEST WHERE YOU TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT AND WANTING TO TALK TO STAFF, BUT, WELL, THE, UH, THE MAIN THING IS THAT, AND THIS IS IN JUST SOME BRIEF DISCUSSION TODAY THAT NEITHER ONE OF US HAD TIME TO REALLY TALK ABOUT IT. 
          UH, I UNDERSTOOD FROM GREG, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SAID THAT ORDINANCE TONIGHT WOULD NOT BASICALLY CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION OF THE OLD WORDING, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT NOW ON THE LAND, THERE'S A PROVISION THAT SAYS A ZONING PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR ALL DISCOURAGING, ET CETERA, AND CANNOT REALIZE THAT THAT WAS BOUND BY SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY REQUIRED. 
           CLARIFY THE ISSUE TO A VARIOUS OFFERING WIRELESS FOR THIS TYPE OF ACTIVE PROPERTY SITE LATELY THAT TO THE JASON PROGRESS ON THIS PROVISION OFFERS WOULD BE INSTITUTED AS OUTLINED. 
          WHAT IS RESIDENTIAL CERTAIN USES AS THAT ARE ADDED AND AS, AS, AS PART OF THIS REQUEST? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL NAME. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEEN IT, IT WAS NOT A  REQUIREMENT IN THE OLD, UH, AMANDA WILD BEFORE IT'S BEEN MODIFIED IT TO REDUCE THE REQUIREMENT, TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT, ALL RIGHT, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THE CHANGES OR WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IN TERMS OF CLARIFICATION. 
          AND I, I READ THIS ABUSE. 
          THAT IS, IS IT THAT WHAT YOU SEE IS GOING TO BE THAT DETRIMENTAL, WHERE IT'S GOING TO STOP YOU FROM DEVELOPING, OR IS IT GOING TO PUT MORE AND EXPENSE ON YOU? DEVELOPING PROPERTY IS GOING TO CREATE A WHOLE WE'LL HAVE TO BE, TO BE TRUTHFUL? I CAN'T SAY BECAUSE I REALLY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO READ THE WHOLE ORDINANCE TODAY TO BRING MYSELF BACK UP TO DATE OVER THAT TWO-YEAR PERIOD. 
          BUT THERE'S JUST SOME CONFUSION IN MY MIND THAT AS TO WHAT CONSTITUTES, YOU KNOW, EVEN READING. 
          AND THIS IS JUST FIRST BLUSH, EVEN READING THE PREFACE TO THE AMENDMENT. 
          IT SAYS, UM, THIS ADDRESSES PARTIAL OR TOTAL HARVESTING OF TIMBER, UH, KNOWN AS FANNING OR CLEAR CUTTING. 
          THERE WAS NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE COVERED THE WHOLE GAMUT WHEN YOU'VE COVERED DANNY TO CLEAR-CUT AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT MIKE AND THEN WERE MOSTLY OPPOSED TO CLEARCUT, BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER DANNY, THEN THE GET BEFORE, IT'S NOT REALLY, UH, I MEAN, IS THAT ONE TRAY OR WHERE DOES THAT 15 TRAYS, OR WHEN, WHEN DO YOU CROSS THAT LINE TO THIS? JUST, JUST, 
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JUST FOR MYSELF, WHAT WAS DONE OR SIMILAR STREET, CROSS MINING AREA THERE IS THAT CONSIDERED CLEAR, IS THAT THIN, THIN? AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN STAY UP. 
          I JUST, SOMETIMES I HOPE THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, DELAYING THINGS AND, AND I DON'T SAY YOU WOULD DO IT, BUT SOMETIMES I'M WEARY OF SOME TIME DELAY IN THINGS THAT STAFF WANT, BECAUSE TOMORROW THE GUYS MIGHT GET A PHONE CALL, SORRY, EXCLUSIVE SO QUICK TO GET A PLACE TO STOP. 
          WELL, ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE NOW. 
          WELL, WE HAVE AREAS RIGHT NOW THAT HAVEN'T BEEN HARVESTED AND WE PUT THIS THING ON THE WHOLE, CAN THEY GO IN THERE AND IN AND OUT AT WHEELS, ESPECIALLY ON, ON THE, SAY THAT SIDE OF BRENE BROWN. 
          WELL, WOW. 
          GOT TO DO SO IF YOU CAN, WHAT IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND PASS IT NIGHT AND THEN REVISIT IT WHEN EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO READ IT AND WHATEVER. 
          SO WE PUT A HOLD ON PLANES. 
          SO NOBODY SNEAKS IN UNDER THE WIRE AGAINST OUR INTENTION IS THAT IF THIS, I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE DEFINED WHETHER THIS IS, IS FOR TIMBER HARVESTING PURPOSES, IT SAYS IT IS. 
          BUT I GOT A REAL QUESTION IN MY MIND. 
          IS, IS THIS JUST A TIMBER HARVESTING OPERATIONS WHERE YOU'RE DOING A MASSIVE CUT OR DOES THIS KEEP ME FROM CUTTING THREE TREES OFF OF A VACANT LOT? I'VE GOT, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT BALLROOM BASICALLY WHEN HE HAD THE STOLEN OVER YOUR BUILDING. 
          A LOT OF THREE. 
          NOW I KNOW IT LEADS TO AREAS WHERE THE ELMER'S ABSOLUTELY CLEAR DEFENSE AND THEN, WELL, FOR RENTALS THERE. 
          SO YOU EXPOSED. 
          I ASKED ABOUT RESIDENTS TO A LOT OF CRAP JUST BECAUSE I FORGOT IT WAS A PROBLEM AND HAVING TO CLEAN UP, PUSH IT OVER THROUGH. 
          SO LET'S GO TO CLAIM AND THAT'S WHAT I'M IN SIP THROUGH THE ORDERS. 
          I BELIEVE THAT TREES IN TOWN ARE GOING TO HELP OUR LOOK, BUT I'M JUST QUESTIONING THESE INFRINGEMENTS ON SOME RIGHTS TO CUT A TREE OR TWO, ONE WORD IT DOESN'T HAVE DOES APPLY TO, WELL, IT REQUIRED ANYTHING OVER TWO ACRES. 
          IT APPLIES TO, I DON'T KNOW MANY PEOPLE, NOT ME. 
          I MEAN, A LOT IS THAT, IS THAT. 
          AND WITH THE NEW ETJ, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF TWO ACRE FARM. 
          AND WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF THINNING PLANNING BOARD? YOU ALL WROTE IT? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? THIS ORDINANCE, UH, SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE REFERENCES OR HARVESTING ANY IS SOMEONE GOES IN AND DOES, OR BEST MANAGEMENT TO, TO INCREASE THE, SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE, THE, THE DEFINITION COMES FROM THE INTENT OF WHY YOU GET TREATED, NOT NECESSARILY HOW MANY, THIS COULD BE AN ITEM AND THIS, THIS GUY WITH HIS GUY WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING, MAN. 
          THEY LET IT GO AHEAD AND SAY, OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT AGAIN, I ASKED YOU, YOU ALL WROTE IT. 
          WHY DID YOU MEAN WE USE THE TERM THINNING AS A REFERENCE POINT TO THE ACTIVITY OF REMOVING TREES FROM THE SITE, WHETHER IT BE WHOLESALE REMOVAL OR REMOVAL OF TREES OF ANY LIKE RIGHT HERE, IN OTHER WORDS, WHEREAS ANYTIME WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT, REMOVE THE PLURAL TWO OR MORE TREES, THEN THIS KICKS IN THEORETICALLY, I GUESS. 
          YES. 
          THEORETICALLY, THAT'S THE ANSWER 
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AH, GREEN RIGHT OFF THE BAT, EXCEPT FOR ONE PROBLEM. 
          AND THAT IS THAT THIS WASSERMAN BROUGHT UP AND THAT IS THAT IF THERE'S ANY INTENT FOR SOMEBODY TO SNEAK IN AND CUT A BUNCH OF STUFF, WELL, WE COME BACK WITH WHAT IS INTENDED. 
          THAT BOTHERS THEM. 
           A PROBLEM. 
          NOT FOR TIM. 
          I DON'T , I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE THE, UM, WITH A BETTER COMPANY AND I MANAGE THE TIMBERLANDS AND FEDERAL IN NORTH CAROLINA. 
          UM, AND I SUPPOSE THE QUESTION OF POSTPONING, THIS THING, WE ARE THE ONES, MOST OF THE RAINBOW, OUR BORDERS, OTHER THAN MAYBE SOME, SOME, WHEREAS MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN, SO WE ARE NOT DOING CUTTING EDGE SEVERAL YEARS. 
          SO WE DID 50 SOMETHING LOTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HE, DID YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN OR WHATEVER I HAVE IN HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD AND CLEAN THAT UP WHILE WE, OKAY. 
          WELL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          AND, UH, AS I SAY, MY NAME IS DALE MARTIN. 
          I LIVE IN WILMINGTON AT 5 1, 3 GEORGIA MISSION DRIVE, WHATEVER REASON. 
          AND I WASN'T AWARE OF THIS TILL I HEARD IT FROM TITLES. 
          SPEAK, WANT TO GO, BUT WE DID NOT HEAR ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL UNTIL LAST THURSDAY. 
          AND, UH, I DIDN'T SEE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT UNTIL YESTERDAY. 
          AND WE DID, UH, FROM BOTH STAFF SOMEWHAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, AND I FOUND THAT I WAS ABLE TO READ THIS, BUT, UH, SO I HAVEN'T ONLY SEEN IT YESTERDAY. 
          I'VE ONLY HAD A SHORT TIME, AS TAYLOR MENTIONED THE STAGES THING. 
          SO MAYBE SOME OF MY COMMENTS MAY NOT BE EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          AND SO THEN I STAND TO BE CORRECT, BUT TO COME FOR YOU TONIGHT WITH, WITH AN APPRECIATION FOR WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO, MAN, AND YOUR TREE REMOVAL ORDINANCE TREES ARE A VERY SURELY DO ADD TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR CITIES COMMUNITIES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING THESE EFFORTS TO MAINTAIN EVEN IMPROVED QUALITY, BUT AS AN ORDINANCE OR THE AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE IS PROPOSED, IT DOES NOT ALLOW FEDERAL PAPERBOARD TO FULLY CARRY OUT OUR BUSINESS OF MANAGING AND HARVESTING TIMBER AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN THE AMENDMENT WILL AMOUNT TO THE TAKING, BUT THAT THE PROCESS IS YOUR MAN THAT IS RED. 
          IT WILL REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF EIGHT ACRES OF OUR PINE GROWING LAND ON WHICH WE CURRENTLY PAY TAXES. 
          BUT EIGHT ACRES FIRMLY SET ASIDE WITH NO ECONOMIC BENEFIT. 
          ACCORDING TO WHAT WE WERE TOLD BY STAFF YESTERDAY, WE'RE NOT BEING IN ANY CUTTING WHATSOEVER BY HARVEST TIME, THE TIMBER ON THOSE EIGHT ACRES CAN BE WORTH $25,000 PLUS. 
          AND ACCORDING TO THE MEN, I WILL BE REQUIRED TO GIVE UP FULL EIGHT ACRES OF A CROP THAT WE WILL HAVE BEEN GROWING FOR 35 YEARS, A HARVEST DOWN, WHICH WILL BE IN ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. 
          IF WE PARKED AT 35 YEARS OLD, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IS GREEN BAR. 
          IT REPORTEDLY WANTS ME TO MAKE THIS SACRIFICE HAS ONLY BEEN IN EXISTENCE OUT THERE 10 YEARS. 
          WE'VE BEEN GROWING THESE TREES AT 28 AT THIS POINT IN TIME, LATE LAST YEAR, WHEN Y'ALL WERE CONSIDERING THE ETJ, WE WERE TOLD BY YOUR ZONING OFFICE, THAT THE ETJ WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON OUR TIMBER OR FOREST ACTIVITY. 
          AND THEY SAID THAT TOM, GOING AT FORESTRY  GRANDFATHER WOULD BE EXCEPTED FROM ANY AFFECTS OF THE HEAT TJ. 
          FOR THAT REASON, WE DID NOT COME HERE. 
           DJ OBSERVATION AND THAT AREA, BUT NOW TWO OR THREE MONTHS LATER UNDER THE 
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ETJ IS NOW IN PLACE FROM THAT THE PROPOSAL FOR YOU TO NINE FOUR IN AN AFFECTED, IN A NEGATIVE WAY, TAKEN AWAY EIGHT ACRES OF TIMBERLAND TIMBER. 
          NOT ONLY AM I REQUIRED TO HAVE A ZONING PERMIT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ON FROM YOUR ZONING ADMINISTRATION TO HARVEST OUR TIMBER. 
          BUT ACCORDING TO PARAGRAPH THREE OF THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT, WHILE I'M WAITING THESE SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS TO GET THE FINAL HARVEST FOR THE TIMBER TO MATURE, ADJACENT TIMBER LANDS COULD BE CLEAR AND COULD BE DEVELOPED UP TO THE PROFIT LINE OF OUR FOREST LAND. 
          AND THEN WHEN MY TIMBER IS READY TO HARVEST, WHEN IT'S FULLY MATURE, I'LL HAVE TO LEAVE THE $20,000 OR MORE. 
          AND THAT 50 FOOT STRIP ON MY BORDER. 
          IT'S JUST AS THIS IS PROPOSED, IT'S VERY INACTIVE. 
          AND, AND I ASKED YOU TO, TO NOT ACCEPT IT IN YOUR PRESENCE, BUT TO DEVELOP AND MORE EQUITABLE POSEL TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          THIS IS JUST THE WAY IT IS. 
          SOMEONE CAN COME IN, YOU HAVE TWO ADJACENT TIMBERLAND PROPERTY, THIS PERSON OFF THE SIDE OF ME, I MEAN, UP THE LAND AND THEN, AND DO IT, BUT TO THE PROFIT LINE  SO, UH, UH, WERE THEY TOLD THAT THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE IF THEY WERE TAKEN IN H ETJ AT THE TIME, OUR DISCUSSION BACK SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ETJ ISSUE. 
          THIS IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. 
          THAT SURFACE IS FALSE DISCUSSION. 
          UH, YES, THEY WOULD HAVE ZONING PERMIT, BUT THEIR CIVIL CULTURAL OPERATION WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THE . 
          SO THERE IS NO IMPACT THAT ZONING PERMIT AS HE INTERACTED THIS ORDINANCE SAYS UNDER CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT'S SEPARATE ORDINANCE FROM ETJ, THAT'S IT'S HAPPENING IN CONCERT WITH IT RIGHT NOW AS A RESULT OF SEARCH, BUT IT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM ETJ. 
          WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU, THIS IS THE 50 FEET IN ARBITRARY FIGURE IS 25 FEET. 
          IS THAT WORK IS 10 FEET, 15 FEET WORK. 
          IT IS IN A SENSE ARBITRARY FIGURES. 
          BASICALLY WE HEARD FROM PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS, UM, UH, RESIDENCE WITH WAREHOUSER PARTICULAR SITE AND TALKED ABOUT ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND 50 FOOT BUFFER, UH, ISSUE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ALSO STANDARD AT WEYERHAEUSER HAS USED SPRING AREAS ON SCREEN MANAGEMENT INCIDENTS, LIKEWISE REBUILT BY 50 FOOT BUFFER, ADJACENT TO US SET THE REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT AS A OFFER. 
          SO WE APPLIED THAT SAME SHAKER TO THIS. 
          WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN SELLING THE 50 FEET? I'M SERIOUS. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT ALL THE OPTIONS TO BEAT. 
          IF, IF, IF THESE I'M JUST THINKING IN MY HEAD, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IN MY MIND, IF YOU JUST HAVE NOTHING. 
          AND IF THESE PEOPLE WERE TOLD THAT IT WOULD BE NO EFFECT. 
          AND THEN IF WE GO BACK AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE CHANGE THE LAWS AND EVERYTHING, BUT I DON'T LIKE I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE PEOPLE BEING TOLD ONE THING AND THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          EVEN IF IT'S WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS, I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER FOLKS CONCERNED THEY NEED A BUFFER BETWEEN TAMRA AND OPERATIONS OR WHATEVER OPERATIONS ARE GOING ON. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M TRYING TO REACH SOME SORT OF THING. 
          SO THESE FOLKS ARE NOT OUT 20 GRAND AND THESE PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY WANT. 
          SO, I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SELL TO 50 FEET? I'M NOT SURE WHAT  SAY IT ABOUT IT AND SAID, WE WILL, WE'LL BUY IFR AND THERE'LL BE A BUFFER FOR THE PEOPLE OUT THERE AND THAT'LL BE THAT. 
          AND, UH, YOU'LL BE, YEAH, BUT IF IT'S A 50 FOOT WIDE STRIP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY PUT ON IT. 
          UH, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. 
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NO, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT TO WAIT 35 YEARS TO GET IT AGAIN, THE GRANDCHILDREN WERE ABOUT THE OTHER OBVIOUS. 
          I'M TRYING TO READ SOME KIND OF A, YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE ALL COMING FROM. 
          I'M SURE YOU ALL WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          I'M QUITE SURE YOU ARE. 
          I'M FAMILIAR WITH YOUR COMPANY AND SOME OTHERS. 
          AND, UH, AND THE SAME, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS, ESPECIALLY IN THIS COMPETITIVE WORLD WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T JUST SNEEZE AT 27,000 BUCKS RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW AND LET IT VAPORIZE A LOT OF TIMES. 
          THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE MAKING IT NOT LIKE, AND I CAN ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, THE RESIDENCE I HAVE. 
          WON'T THAT BUMP. 
          I MEAN,  WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UH, INSIDE? WHY AM I THE LAND OWNER, WHICH IS PRIOR FROM TIMBER LANDS? PROBABLY. 
          I KNOW. 
          SO, ALRIGHT,  ROLLING HERE. 
          AND THEN WE HAD NOTHING TO DO. 
          SO WHY AM I RESPONSIBLE IF I'M WITH MY CAMERA AND REPLANT? THEY'RE NOT GET, YEAH, BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU WAS WHAT WOULD YOU CONSIDER A BOARD ABOVE SPACE BY? UM,  WELL, MICHAEL, WHY ARE YOU ALL SAYING IT CAN'T CUT ANY TREES AND THE 50 FOOT. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE BUFFERS GOT THE VIDEO. 
          I DON'T MIND. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. 
          SO OFFER AS YOU WORD IT SAYS RIGHT NOW, 50 FOOT BUFFER AND HIT THE SITE OR TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          AND WE HAVE TO LOOK THAT SPECIFICALLY, ALSO SEE WHY YOU'VE SEEN, UM, WE ARE SAYING, AS THEY GET TO KEEP THAT OFFER AT THE TIME SITE PLAN SEDATED FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCEL, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THE TREES OUT THAT OPERATOR, AS LONG AS THEY MET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, CITY OFFERING, THE 50 FOOT BUFFER WAS MEANT TO BE TYPICALLY WAS SITE. 
          THAT WAS SPLITTED. 
          SOMEONE CAN'T CLEAR, IT COMPLETELY LEFT. 
          ALL THE AFRICAN SITE GOES UP, SAY FOR SALE TO MOTOR LIGHTS PLOT. 
          UH, SO, AND YOU WERE TRYING TO DISCOURAGE THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY IN THIS JAIL. 
          AH, WELL, I MAY ASK YOU THIS, ARE YOU FOLKS HERE ON THIS SPECIFIC PIECE OF BUFFER BUFFER? IS THAT WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT? I MEAN, THE Y'ALL HERE AND THIS MAN HAS TOLD US THAT YOU DON'T INTEND TO CUT IT FOR HOW LONG SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE DID WHAT NON PROVIDERS TO DELAY IT UNTIL WE CLEAN UP SOME OF THIS AND LOOK AT IT, HE THINKS ABOUT IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          NOBODY'S GOING TO CUT THE TREES DOWN WHILE WE'RE THINKING. 
          HUH? LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          UH, WE NEED TO COME TO SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT HERE, WHETHER IT BE TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO COME TONIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A FEW MINUTES, I'M GOING BACK TO RULES. 
          SO, BUT, UH, I SUPPOSE WE BUILT AN ARTIFICIAL TYPE BARRIERS IN A PLACE LIKE THAT 
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AND GO IN AND PUT IT SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF OTHER TREES THAT WOULD COME UP AND GIVE US PLENTY OF, UH, SCREENING WITHOUT BEING UPON TRIP OR YOU GUYS RECIP THAT KIND OF IDEA. 
          SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WEYERHAEUSER PROBABLY MUCH MORE SO THAN I HAVE BECAUSE THEY WENT RIGHT. 
          THEIR PROPERTY LINING AND CLEARED IT OUT. 
          AND SO A LOT NOW YOU'VE GOT, AND THESE GUYS AND THE GUYS IN GREENBRIAR DESERVE SOME PROTECTION. 
          I'M SORRY THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE IT HAS GOTTEN TO THIS POINT. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE, I LIKE TO TAKE THE PERSON WHERE YOU SAID IT'S NOT GONNA BE CUTTING THERE. 
          I COULDN'T BELIEVE I JUST DON'T WANT TO COME IN TOMORROW AND HAVE WHAT THESE GUYS COMMENTATOR CUT TREES. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO HOLD THAT ONE FOR A FEW MINUTES TO LISTEN TO THE OTHER SIDE. 
          YOU WORD  WAREHOUSE. 
           AWKWARD. 
           AH, WELL THAT MAKE A LOGGER. 
          CAN'T DO IT UNLESS HE LET SOME, IF IT'S HIS TREES, THAT'S NUMBER ONE, BUT NUMBER TWO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE 90 DAYS TO DO THIS. 
          WE'LL DO IT SOON, BUT IT CONCERNS ME TO PASS THINGS THAT THERE'S SO MUCH QUESTION ABOUT. 
          AND, AND I MEAN, I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND THE MAN, AND THAT'S WHY I ASK, IS IT HIS TREES THAT ARE REQUESTED? AND THE ANSWER IS YES, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD, MAN IS STANDING IN FRONT OF ALL OF US SAYING THE TREES. 
          I AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO SIX YEARS, UNLESS AARON SAY 11 ME BE IN THE NEXT YEAR. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, I MADE IT PAST THE LAW JUST TO MAKE HIS WORD AIR TIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT MAKES ME A LITTLE UNEASY. 
          AND AT THE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I LIKED IT IF I CAN'T DEAL WITH PEOPLE, MAN, TO MAN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT A SERIOUS, WE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT, IF THAT WAS WHAT HE WAS OR HIS COMPANY WAS, AND, AND THIS ORDINANCE STOPPED ME BECAUSE WE PASSED AT NIGHT. 
          HE COULD, HE COULD DO AS MUCH WORSE THAN TO OWN SOMETHING ELSE TOMORROW. 
          AND I JUST DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          HOW DO YOU FEEL RICK? THAT'S OUT IN YOUR AREA AND YOU'LL NEVER GET THE WOODS. 
          I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THE FOLKS ARE COMING FOR ME. 
          AND I'M SORRY THAT THIS EVEN CAME ABOUT BECAUSE THESE GUYS DID GET HOOKED INTO SUFFOLK. 
          THE GUY WENT IN AND HE CUT IT ALL OUT. 
          THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO STOP AND IT TOOK 10 OR 12 FEET PAST WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO. 
          AND IT WASN'T YOUR COMPANY. 
          IT WASN'T EVEN WHITE COMPANY. 
          IT WAS AN INDEPENDENT LAW AND HE GOT EXTRA MONEY FOR GETTING THE BIG TREES, BUT WE DO HAVE A DEFINITE NEED BACK AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A MOVE ON SOMETHING. 
          UH, I'M GOING TO BE, I'M GOING TO BE, FRANKLY, I BELIEVE UNTIL YOU TELL ME THAT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU SHOW THEM WITH IT? I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M GOING TO BELIEVE YOU SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANY LOG IN, BUT IS THAT THE ONLY COMPANY WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT? WELL, THE ANSWER I THOUGHT WAS YES,  VARIOUS LOCAL PROPERTY. 
           
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,   THE ACTIVITIES RESPONSIBLE. 
          WELL, NO, NO, NO. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          THE SITUATION HE DESCRIBED IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          HE'S BEEN HERE FOR 48 YEARS. 
          HE PLANTED FRUIT. 
          NOW ANOTHER DEVELOPER COMES IN, WHAT'S UP AGAINST YOUR PROPERTY AND HE'S THE ONE WHO'S GOT TO PAY THE PILL. 
          HE'S NOT THE ONE THAT  AND THAT'S THE GUILT HE SHOULD PUT IN. 
          BUT I THINK IN RETROSPECT,  SECTION SIX, SECTION SEVEN, EIGHT NAPPY OF THAT. 
          AND NOW HOW FAR, HOW FAR A BIG WAREHOUSE? WHY NOT NOW? WHAT HAPPENS IS THE PROPERTY LINE IS CHOPPING LINES ARE BASICALLY  AND THEN THE DITCH WAREHOUSER AREAS OFFERS  . 
          I MEAN, I CAN'T BELIEVE ALL THIS STUFF. 
            AMERICAN AND IN LIGHT OF, UM, ENLIGHTENED TO DISAGREE WITH THAT, WE HAVE IT IN LIGHT OF US NOT COMING WITH A SOLUTION TONIGHT. 
           LET, LET LET'S, LET'S LET THIS FATHER GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. 
          IF YOU WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION, GO AHEAD. 
          AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THAT, THAT HAVEN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP. 
          WELL, NO, HE SAYS, IS IT BECAUSE OF THE LAID OUT, BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO FOLLOWUP IN THE, THE, UH, THE COMMUNICATION OF THE NOTES. 
          THAT WAS WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL SAID, THAT THERE WAS SOME FOLLOW-UP IN THE, IN THE COMMUNICATION OF THAT NOTICE THAT HASN'T BEEN TRUE AT ALL, AS WE'VE BEEN FULLY INFORMED, RIGHT ALONG THE WAY. 
          UH, SECOND THING IS THAT, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME DOUBT AS TO WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES ARE, AND I HAVE A AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, AND I HAVE A MAP THAT CAME FROM YOUR TAX DEPARTMENT THAT SHOWS THE, THE PROPERTY LINE FOLLOWING THE DITCH ITSELF. 
          AND, UH, THERE ARE SOME 377 ACRES INVOLVED IN THE FEDERAL PAPERBOARD PROJECT, UH, OR PROPERTY. 
          AND, UH, OF THAT, UH, ACCORDING TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE ABOUT EIGHT ACRES. 
          IF YOU TAKE THE 50 FEET, IT'S ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF IN THERE. 
          SO THAT'S LESS THAN 3% OF THEIR TOTAL PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE, UH, PROTECTED AREA. 
          UH, TH THE THIRD THING IS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ALL MY POINTS HERE BECAUSE MANY OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED. 
          [02:40:01]
BUT I MEAN, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          EXCUSE ME, JUST A SEC. 
          WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS PROPERTY BEING ONLY 2% OR 3% OF WHATEVER? WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT STATE? WELL, I BELIEVE THE GENTLEMEN FROM WILMINGTON SAID THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF ECONOMIC IMPACT HERE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY HAVING 377 ACRES OF WHICH MAYBE EIGHT ACRES WOULD BE TOTALLY INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, REGULATION. 
          YOU SAY, YOU MAKING A, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS REALLY DOESN'T IS NOT RELEVANT IN THE DISCUSSION, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED OF WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT THING, THE WRONG THING, OR WHETHER WE SHOULD DO IT, WHATEVER, BECAUSE, AND THOSE KINDS OF BUSINESSES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT TWO OR 3% IS OFTENTIMES THE DIFFERENCE IN STAYING IN BUSINESS AND NOT BEING IN BUSINESS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION. 
          I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE TAXING THE RICH, YOU KNOW, ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS, IS, IS SUGGEST A PERSPECTIVE TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE THAT FURTHERMORE, THERE IS ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING HERE TONIGHT, AND THAT'S THE ENTIRE ETJ TERRITORY, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THAT BOSCH RIVER OR BASHA BOULEVARD EXTENSION. 
          THAT'S GOING TO COME DOWN SOMEWHERE IN THAT, IN THAT AREA. 
          AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, JUST AS SURE AS WE'RE SITTING HERE, THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOW TIMBER LAND, I CAN'T PUT A YEAR ON IT CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BUT THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOW TIMBERLAND IS GOING TO BE FAR MORE VALUABLE IN ANOTHER USE. 
          AND THERE'S GOING TO BE PETITIONS FOR REZONING WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHEN THAT ROAD GOES THROUGH, THEREFORE IT'S EVEN MORE IMPERATIVE THAT A BUFFER BE SITUATED AT A NATURAL BOUNDARY POINT AT, ALONG THAT DITCH. 
          UH, IT'S JUST GOOD, COMMON PLANNING, UH, GOOD NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED PLANNING SENSE TO BUFFER THOSE AREAS BETWEEN ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THEN YOU HAVE WHATEVER ELSE IS GOING TO HAPPEN A MILE OUT INTO THE COUNTY. 
          UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, I THINK, UH, THE GENTLEMEN FROM WILMINGTON SAID 50 RESIDENTS INVOLVED THERE. 
          WELL, IF YOU TAKE THAT ENTIRE DITCH, INCLUDING THE WAREHOUSE OR PARCEL, YOU'VE GOT CLOSE TO A HUNDRED HOMES THAT ARE BORDERING ON THE DITCH, AND YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER HUNDRED HOMES THAT ARE FACING THE DITCH. 
          SO THEY ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THOSE RESIDENTS. 
          AND I JUST ASKED ON BEHALF OF THE GREENBRIER PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, THAT, THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT, THAT THERE ARE A LONG RANGE EFFECTS OF WHAT YOU DO. 
          NOW. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT YOU MENTIONED, AND I THINK, UH, AS I GATHERED HERE,
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