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UM, SO NOW KEEP A WATCH RUNNING FAST.
IT'S ON ME ON TIME, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER PRAYER, REVEREND DAVID, BRUCE, THE FOLLOWING NIGHT, OR THE FURTHER WE HAVE TO CALL UPON YOU IN PRAYER.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE IN AMERICA FOR THIS NATION.
IT'S QUITE NICE THAT YOU ARE BLESSED, THAT YOU'RE BLESSED TO BE ABLE CONTINUE TO BE UPON.
WE COME NOW, LORD, WE NEED YOUR WISDOM AND ALL OF THE SEASONS, WE NEED TO BE AFRAID.
YOU WILL BLESS THESE MEN AND WOMEN'S NOT.
AND THEY ARE GATHERED HERE AND I PRAY THAT WISDOM WILL REIGN IN THIS MEETING.
WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR US.
ALL THAT YOU HAVE BLESSED US WITH TO CONTINUE TO GIVE GOD'S WORD IN JESUS NAME AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT HERE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THE CHIEF AND I WERE IN DC.
AND IT WAS, UH, QUITE A TREAT THAT YOU SIT AT HOME AND WATCH THE OTHERS.
I THINK BARBARA DID A GOOD JOB.
AND ALSO, I LIKE TO LET YOU ALL KNOW BEFORE WE GET STARTED AND CHIEF WILL BE A WITNESS TO THIS, THAT, UH, WE WERE SITTING WITH THAT THE BACK OF THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN, I GUESS IT WAS ROLLED DOWN AND THEY HAD US IN THESE STEEL CHAIRS, YOU KNOW, FOLD UP CHAIRS AND HE HAD TO LOCK HIS TOES UNDER THE GUY IN FRONT OF HIM AND SAY THAT I, BECAUSE IT FELT LIKE YOU WANT ALL OF US TO GO BACKWARDS, WHICH WOULD HAVE PROBABLY MADE SOME SORT OF HISTORY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLY WHAT I WAS INVOLVED IN.
AND, UH, ONE OTHER THING FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SAW THE MOVIE, FORREST GUMP, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL I WAS BACK.
MY WIFE WAS KIDDING ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, GOING TO THE WHITE HOUSE AFTER WE SAW THE FORREST GUMP MOVIE.
I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL THE NIGHT, BUT THE CHIEF CAN BE A WITNESS ALSO THAT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES OR SO BEFORE THE PRESIDENT CAME OUT, I HAD TO GO BACK INTO THE WHITE HOUSE, JUST LIKE FORREST GUMP.
I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL AFTER, SO I GUESS I DON'T LIE AS PARALLEL TO EACH OTHER MUCH MORE THAN I THOUGHT I'M BEEN A PRETTY LUCKY FELLA SO FAR.
SO ANYWAY, UH, YES, WE NEED TO CALL A ROAD.
OKAY, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE.
YOU KNOW, THINGS REALLY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU KNOW, YOU LEAVE ONE TIME AND THE WHOLE THING IS GONE.
IT'S CHECK, CHECK THINGS OUT ANYWAY.
LET'S SEE A ROLL CALL PROBABLY IN.
BEFORE WE GO TO THREE, WILL YOU PLEASE PLACE YOUR HAND BY UNDERSTANDING BEFORE THIS CRAP? OKAY.
THAT WAS POINTED OUT JUST A FEW SECONDS AGO TO SOME OF US AT NUMBER FOUR ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT HAS BEEN DROPPED.
UH, THAT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A REZONING ISSUE.
AND, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON IT, MR. UH, YES.
UH, THE PERSON WHO HAD PUT IN THAT REQUEST AS ACID, IT'D BE WITHDRAWN AS A RESULT OF THAT BOARD.
IF HE WISHES TO RE UH, ACTIVATE THAT REQUEST, HE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT HE DID, AND ORIGINALLY TO START WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND GO BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN.
SO THAT'S A DEAD ISSUE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO NUMBER THREE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO A MAN ARTICLE 17 QUOTE SIGNS KIM TO QUOTE SECTION 15 DASH 3 27, TOTAL SIGNED SURFACE AREA.
SO AS TO REGULATE SIGNAGE IN THE CONVERT AND THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH THE COMPANY IN OUT PARCELS.
SO I GUESS WE NEED A MOTION TO OPEN THE BUBBLE HERE IN EPISODE, YOU MIGHT ASK, OKAY, JUST BRIEF THE BOARD ON EXACTLY.
MIKE, TELL US WHAT THAT MEANS.
THE FIRST ONE DEALS WITH TOTAL SUN SURFACE AREA, WHAT WE HAVE RUN INTO AND WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH, AND TWO OR THREE OF UPCOMING DEVELOPMENTS IN A SITUATION WHERE THE MAJOR, UH, ENTERPRISE IS SELLING OUT PARCELS AND
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THEREFORE HAS VERY LITTLE ACTUAL STREET FRONTAGE AND IS HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH PLACEMENT OF A SIGN FOR THAT REASON.SO THIS CHANGE WOULD BASICALLY TREAT THEM FOR PURPOSES OF BEING ABLE TO GET A SIGN ON THE STREET AS IF THEY FRONTED THE STREET.
IT GIVES THEM CREDIT SO THAT THEY ARE NOT STUCK WITH JUST A 12 SQUARE FOOT SIGN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO GO UP TO THE, UH, UH, SIZE OF 100 SQUARE FEET, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE, A LOT FRONTAGE THAT THEY HAVE.
MIKE W WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE EFFECT OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO, UH, ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT AND TO HELP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TRYING TO DEVELOP PROPERTY INTO A COMMERCIAL ENTITY? AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHAT IT DOES IS THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN EARLIER, PENALIZE SITUATIONS WHERE A DEVELOPER WANTED TO HAVE OUT PARCELS THIS WAY, IT REALLY MEANS COURAGE IS OUT PARCEL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH FOR OUR, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, CUTS DOWN ON THE LINEAR STRETCHING OUT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND IT MAKES THEM MORE COMPACT AND SHORTENS DISTANCE DISTANCES AND SO FORTH.
IT'S GOOD FOR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
PLUS IT, UH, IS A PLUS FOR DEVELOPER.
HE GETS MORE SIGNAGE AND IT'S MORE FAVORABLE TO BUSINESS.
MIKE, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.
IT SAYS IT SHALL NOT EXCEED A SIGN SURFACE AREA OF 100 SQUARE FEET AND SHALL BE COUNTED AS PART OF THE OVERALL SIGNAGE.
YOU DON'T SEE ANY POTENTIAL PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THE, A PARTICULAR LOT SIZES WE'RE DEALING WITH.
IF HE TAKES UP A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE, THAT'S A HUNDRED FOOT OF THE FEET OF FRONTAGE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT IS THE, UH, BUSINESS'S OPTION TO ALLOCATE THE SIGNAGE.
HOWEVER THEY WISH, UH, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, IN THAT FORM SINCE 1968, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH, BUT THE CHANGE IS COMING WITH THE LINE WITH THE MAIN OCCUPANT WHO WAS BEHIND THESE OUT PARCELS AND HAVING A SANDWICH HAS NOT BEEN PART OF IT SINCE 1968.
AND TH THE THING THAT I SEE COMING BEFORE US AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN IN THE FUTURE IS THINK THE HAMPTON INN, FOR EXAMPLE, HAMPTON INN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THOSE OUT PARCELS AND PUT RESTAURANTS OR SOMETHING.
WONDERFUL IDEA, GREAT IDEA ALL FOR IT.
BUT IF THEY USE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET, HOW MANY FRONT FEET OF FRONTAGE DO THEY HANDLE, UM, BACK WHERE THEIR LOT IS, WELL, HOW MUCH ARE THEY ALLOTTED SIGNAGE? NOW I'M JUST TRYING TO FORESEE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE AND JUST GET RID OF THE OLD GET THERE.
IT COULD ACTUALLY ALLOW MORE SIGNAGE THAN, THAN THEY IN THEIR SITUATION HAVE NOW.
UH, HOWEVER, THEY HAVE USED UP THEIR SIGNAGE A LOT ALREADY WITH THEIR SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING.
A CERTAIN AMOUNT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON THE BUILDING ANY WAY THAT THEY WANT TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE TWO OUT PARCELS? IF A RESTAURANT COMES IN AND WANTS A NICE STANDARD FRANCHISE AUTHORIZED THE PROPER SIGN ON THE FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ALLOCATION LEFT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY ANY ALLOCATION FROM OUT PARCELS.
THEY ARE STILL CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.
IT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THEM.
WELL, THAT'S NOT THE WAY I READ IT IS THAT WELL, IT SAYS NOW, OKAY.
WHAT IS SAYING HERE IS THAT YOUR FREESTANDING SIGN YOU HAVE OUT FRONT COMES OUT AS A PART OF YOUR OVERALL SIGN ALLOCATION FOR THAT BUSINESS, BUT IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE OUT PARCELS.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO LET THEM HAVE SIGNAGE FOR THE FULL FRONTAGE AND THEN TURN AROUND AND GIVE MORE SIGNAGE TO BE ALL PARCELS.
AS LONG AS THAT'S CLEARLY STATED IN HERE, SO THAT WE DON'T RUN INTO THAT PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH OKAY.
IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU INTERPRET IT, THAT'S FINE.
I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T WANT SOMETHING TO HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE.
IF WE CAN SOLVE THE RIGHT MAN IN ONE FELL SWOOP, HE HAD DONE THIS, UH, THIS PROPOSAL WAS TO BE FRIENDLY OR TOWARD OUT PARCEL DEVELOPMENT.
THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WAS VERY STRICT AND, UH, RESTRICTED FOR OUR PARCELS.
AND THIS SORT OF OPENS IT UP MORE FOR THOSE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS, AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF SIGNERS THAT COULD BE ALLOWED.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON IT AND BE CLOSED? MOVE THE ORDINANCE, PAY THAT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION CALL THE ROLL.
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SO FIVE IS APTLY DISCUSSION CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF PARADE AND PICK IT PERMIT.
SO HOW DO WE START THIS OFF WITH CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
WHAT BROUGHT THIS ABOUT WAS, UH, MR. HOPPER, UH, REQUESTING THE 72 HOURS.
THAT'S CURRENTLY THE WAITING PERIOD FOR FINGERS PERMITS TO BE CHANGED.
HE SAYS IT DOESN'T GIVE HIM THE, THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO GO OUT AND PICK IT UP IMMEDIATELY WHEN HE HAS A PROBLEM REQUEST.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE 72 HOURS AND THE CAUSE OF THE, THE NEED THAT I HAVE FOR ANY INDIVIDUALS THAT COME IN AND WANT TO GIVE US TIME TO GET OUR ACT TOGETHER IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE CAN'T JUST LOOK AT, UH, AT MR. PARKER.
AND, UH, IF ANOTHER GROUP WANTS TO COME IN AND MAYBE THEY HAD A FINCH FOR VIOLENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT DOESN'T GIVE US ENOUGH TIME.
IF WE DON'T HAVE A 72 HOURS, UH, AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT CASES AND DIFFERENT CITIES, UM, THEY BASICALLY LOOK AT THE CONTINUITY OF HOW YOU STUDENTS, AND SO I THINK IF WE KEEP IT AS A CONSTANT FOR EVERYONE, THEN IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FOR US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHERE WE HAVE TO GO TO COURT.
AND 72 HOURS IS ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO GET TOGETHER.
IF WE HAVE TO THE OTHER AGENCIES AND GET A CONTINGENCY PLAN.
IF YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE MEMO THAT I SENT TO THE MANAGER, UH, WE POLLED MOST OF THE CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT VARIES FROM RALEIGH HAS A ONE DAY WAITING PERIOD ON THE TICKET TO GET UP TO A JOB.
THE DEAL HAS 14 DAYS STRAIGHT OR UP.
THIS IS ONLY AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT 30 DAYS.
SO THE 72 HOURS IS NOT, NOT UNREASONABLE.
HOW MANY OF THESE TOWNS HAVE FEDERAL COURTHOUSES? THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES I'M JUST SAYING THIS IN MORE VOLATILE CASES MAY BE INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, ON A MORE NATIONAL ISSUE.
I KNOW THAT FAYETTEVILLE DOES AND THAT SORT OF AN APPLICATION THERE, SOME OF THOSE, BUT WE'RE LOSING THE FEDERAL COURTHOUSE.
NO, WE'RE NOT, NOT COMPLETE, NOT COMPLETELY PART OF IT HERE, BUT NOT.
I TRY TO LOOK AT ALL THE GROUPS THAT MAY POSSIBLY IN THE CITY.
AND THAT'S HOW I TRY TO LOOK AT IT AS IN WORST CASE SCENARIO, UH, THE, UH, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF PROBLEMS THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD THE ACT TRIAL.
AND, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND HERE HAD A PLAN TRIAL OR PLAN MARCHES.
AND THOSE COMPANIES, UH, THE 72 HOURS, IT GIVES ME TIME TO CALL SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HELP EACH OTHER AND GET THE PLAN TOGETHER.
WHEN DID WE PUT THAT TO WHEN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE, THIS IS LAST YEAR, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEFORE WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM WITH THEM.
NO, I DON'T SAY, WELL, WE'RE ALL THE BLACK, YOU DON'T SEE WHY, WHAT WE'D ALL GO BACK TO ONE DAY.
WE NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE'LL LEAVE A PROBLEM THREE DAY.
BELIEVE WE LACK IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE HANDLED MY PROBLEM, NEVER MATERIAL, BUT IT COULD HAVE KEEP, IT COULD HAVE MATERIALIZED, BUT IT DID.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
NOW, HERE WE DO WHAT REALLY ONLY YOU WANT THE TRUTH AND I'LL TELL YOU, WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM BEFORE WE CHANGED IT.
AND I WON'T SAY WHY WE DON'T GO BACK.
I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THIS ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH IT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'M CUTTING.
DOES HE WANTS TO HAVE IT, BUT, BUT DOES IT, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE POST PLEASE CHIEF HAVE ANY WAY TO, IT SHOULD, BUT THAT'S HIS JOB.
I MAY SAY, UH, THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHT, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, REALLY MY FIRST REACTION, ISN'T A MAN OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT HE WANTS WHEN HE WANTS
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TO BASICALLY WHERE HE WANTS TO.BUT, UH, THEN YOU SEE ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE SPENDING A COUPLE OF DAYS WITH THE CHIEF, GOING UP TO DC AND BACK, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS, AND WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR THING ABOUT THE PARADE AND IT PERMIT THING, BUT JUST THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HIS JOB AND THE PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC IN THE CASE OF SOME OF THOSE, UH, THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN IS, IS, IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I BECAME AWARE OF THAT.
AND I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME PERSONALLY KNOW THAT I'M AN ADVOCATE OF FREE SPEECH.
I THINK IF BILL HARPER WANTS TO TAKE A SIGN TONIGHT AND WALK UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK, HE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT WELL.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY I FAILED, BUT BY THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN, AND SOMEHOW WE GOT TO BE SMART ENOUGH TO PUT THIS THING TOGETHER.
SO DID THE CHIEF AND GET WHAT HE NEEDS WITHOUT ANY SORT OF DISCRIMINATION, IF IT'S POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM SOMETHING THAT MAY, THEY MAY COME ABOUT IN A, IN A, IN A MANNER THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT HE MAY BE FACING HIM AND WE'RE LOOKING TO HANDLE PROTECT US ALL TOMORROW MORNING.
THE OTHER THING THAT DYNASTY IS IT SAYS PARADE SLASH PICKET.
AND TO ME, A PARADE, I GUESS, WAS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND THE PEGGY, IT KIND OF A GUY VISUALIZE WALKING UP AND DOWN THE SIDE, WALK WITH A SIGN.
I MEAN, IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN SEPARATE THAT OUT? OR DO YOU SEE AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, SOME WAY THAT, UH, THAT SOMEBODY COULD, COULD EVADE OUR REQUIREMENT, THAT THEY TAKE LONGER FOR SOMEBODY AT THE TIME, THE STREET, IF YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING AND TO PICK IT, OR WOULD YOU STILL BE IN THE SAME PROBLEM? I THINK THE ONLY EXAMPLE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT COMES TO MIND IS THE PROBLEM WITH CHARLOTTE AND SOME OF THE OTHER MAJOR CITIES YOU'VE HAD WITH THE OPERATING RECORD.
BUT THAT'S, I JUST, I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYBODY, WHATEVER WE DO, WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF BILL WANTS TO PICK IT, PICK IT OR WHEREVER ELSE IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT.
AND I THINK THE 72 HOURS GIVES ME THE TIME TO BE CONSISTENT, NO MATTER WHAT COMES, I'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT.
HE'S HAD THE LAKE, BUT HE'S ALWAYS GOTTEN MITZI.
WELL, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN IS, UH, I DON'T WANT TO SAY, WELL, IT'S, IT'S GOOD OLD BILL.
LET'S GIVE HIM ONE IN 24 HOURS AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE LET'S MAKE THEM WAIT A WEEK.
OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT, UH, THAT PULL CASES, SHANNON, THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT YOU'LL HAVE IS THE CONSISTENCY OF HOW YOU TREAT EVERY WELL, I DON'T KNOW, PURPORTING.
WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD IN ONE DAY PEOPLE WE DON'T LIKE THE PAST THREE DAYS, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE ESQUIRES WELL, IT SAYS ID WARD, BUT I CAN'T GET YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND THAT YOU HAVE TO BE REASONABLE AND YOU HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT IN THE WAY YOU APPLY THESE APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER HERE IS NOT MR. HARPER'S PICKETING, IT'S ONE PERSON WITH A SON, BUT IT WAS A CONTROVERSIAL TYPE SUBJECT WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE POLICE TO PROTECT MR. HARPER BECAUSE OF THE PROTESTORS FOR HIS PICKET.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE NUMBER OF PICKETERS.
IT'S ALSO THE CONTROVERSY THAT THE PIG ITSELF MAY ENTAIL.
AND, AND YOU MAY NEED SOME PROTECTION PICKETERS.
YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU'VE HAD THE KLU KLUX, KLAN, PICKETING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME PROTECTION.
IT'S JUST NOT THE PERSON WHO'S APPLYING FOR THE TICKET.
IT'S INDIVIDUALS THAT COME OUT AND RESPOND TO THIS.
NO ONE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY NOT A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
YOU KNOW, I, I RESPECT MR. HOPPER'S RIGHT TO PICK IT, BUT WE DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BE DWELLING ON THIS BECAUSE IT REALLY IS USING A LOT OF CREATIVE ENERGIES THAT WE COULD BE SPENDING ON.
OTHER THINGS LIKE ENHANCING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO LEAVE THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE.
WELL
I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT FIXING THE MOUNTAIN, GET RID OF THE CHIEF THREE DAYS INTO IT.
LOOK, THERE'S A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE IN BRAVES AND PICKETS.
I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THERE'S A LAW THAT CAN STOP ME FROM
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PROTESTING.IF I WANT TO DO IT PEACEFULLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A LOT OF CAN STOP.
IF THERE IS, LET ME KNOW, I HAVE NEVER CREATED ANY TROUBLE IN MY PROTEST.
THERE'S THINGS THAT A POOR MAN FILLED WITH FM.
WELL, THAT HAS SOME INFORMATION THAT HAS NO OTHER WAY, BUT LET THE PUBLIC KNOW TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN THEY'RE BEING RIPPED OFF.
OTHER THAN THE WAY THAT I DO RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A MAJOR ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC GUY.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR ME TO HAVE TO SPEND THREE DAYS 72 HOURS WAITING TO TELL THE PEOPLE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT NOBODY ATTACKING ME BECAUSE I'M PREPARED TO DEFEND MYSELF.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR THOUGHTS.
SO I STILL SAY THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN A PARADE AND A PICKET OF PICKET SHOULD NOT BE.
IT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT NO MORE THAN A DAY.
I DON'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE TO WAIT A DAY IN SOME THINGS, IF IT'S NECESSARY, UNLESS IT'S, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I WENT TO ROB THE OTHER DAY AND PICKETED WITHOUT A CURB IN FRONT OF THE GOVERNOR'S HOUSE ENDED IT NEED MOUNTAIN, BUT THEY RECOGNIZE WE HAVE A PEACEFUL GROUP.
WE'VE BEEN TO WASHINGTON DC AND PICK IT UP IN FRONT OF THE PLAYHOUSE.
WHY DO THE WORLD IS SO SPECIAL ABOUT NEWBORN IN CRAVEN COUNTY, SOMEBODY'S HOME
I WOULD LIKE TO ON LYNN REQUESTS THAT YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT I CREATED ABOUT IT HERE, SITTING ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW, ALL IN THIS BILL THAT REMEMBERS WHEN WE HAD ARRIVED AND FRANKLIN COUNTY OVER SOMEBODY TO PROTEST.
JUST ONE TIME WHEN IT WENT SINCE THE SIXTIES, THIS IS 30 YEARS, 30 YEARS.
WHY IS CRAVEN COUNTY SO PROTECTED? WHY, WHY DOES EVERYBODY NEED THAT INSULATION? BUT THE FELLA THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, I KNOW OF A CASE MR. SKIER, MARYBETH TWO DAYS TODAY, CAN WE, CAN WE MAKE A SUGGESTION, MAYBE GO TO TWO DAYS SO WE CAN CUT.
WOULD YOU TAKE DEBATE AS A COMPROMISE? BECAUSE TWO DAYS LET'S TAKE ONE DAY, TWO DAYS, TWO DAYS, BEST TAKE ONE, TWO OR THREE.
LIKE THE SUGGESTED
YOU NEED TO GO TWO DAYS, EITHER MAD CONVERSATION BECAUSE CAN YOU, CAN WE LEGALLY DO THAT SEPARATE BRAID AND PICK IT? LET'S DO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I GIVE YOU A PROBLEM TWO DAYS ME, AND LET ME, LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS ALSO.
WHAT, UH, SEE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE IS BAIL HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, HE, HIS GRIEF AND SO FORTH, HASN'T GIVEN ANY PROBLEMS OTHER THAN A FEW HEADACHES, BUT WE CAN TAKE ASPIRIN FOR THAT.
BUT I MEAN, AND IT IS THE DILEMMA, YOU KNOW, THEY TRY TO PROTECT THE, EVERYBODY HAS A HOLE AND KEY AND LET THE INDIVIDUAL AVERAGE LABOR, MAN, I FULLY BELIEVE IN THAT.
BUT WHAT IF WE USED AS THE CHIEF STILL DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM THAT YOU CAN LAND, WHETHER IT WAS SEPARATED, PARADES AND PACKETS, BECAUSE PARADES DO COMMAND, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES UP THE STREET AND YOU GOTTA HAVE PEOPLE BLOCKED OFF.
DID HE HAVE TO MAKE THE ESTIMATE PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENTS TOO? YOU GOT TO CONSIDER THAT.
I MEAN, YOU GOT PEOPLE CAN GO TO WORK ONE TIME AND GET OFF ANOTHER TIME.
AND HE HAS TO MAKE PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENTS.
WHEN PEOPLE HAVE, WHEN THESE BIG FORAYS, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT GASSY, WHO WANTS TO WORK ALL THE TIME, BRAY VS.
PICKET ABOUT MAYBE AUDIT THE FILE.
WHAT IS, IS THERE A LEGAL DEFINITION OF A PICKET? CAN WE LIMIT IT TO NOT TO EXCEED SO MANY PEOPLE AND THEN HAVE A SHORT, SHORTER TIME? AND THEN IF THERE'S MORE PEOPLE THAN THAT, HAVE A LONG RETIRED
WE ONLY HAVE, CAN WE PASS IT SO THAT, UH, IT HAD YOU HERE
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ATTACHED TO IT.IF YOU GOT TANA, LISTEN, IF YOU GOTTA PICK IT UP, YOU GOTTA HAVE THREE DAYS FOR TWO DAYS.
MATT, GO AHEAD AND JUMP IN THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S NEVER, NOW THEY KNOW PICK IT.
THEY KNOW IT'S A ONE, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, THE CLIENT, NOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS PUBLICITY DOES A POPPY AND OVERNIGHT THEY MAKE A BIG SPECTACLE OF IT.
SO EVERYBODY'S HERE AND THAT GIVES US PLENTY OF TIME.
IT'S LIKE AZT TRIALS, WHICH HAS SAID, WHICH IS WHAT SET THIS WHOLE THING OFF IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WHEN YOU WILLING TO ADVANCE IT WAS COMING WELL IN ADVANCE.
AND OF COURSE I SAID THE TWO DAYS IN ROB ALSO, IS IT POSSIBLE? AND I DIRECT THIS ALSO TO THE CITY MANAGER THAT, AND OF COURSE YOU ASK THE WORD FOR PICKET.
COULD WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON THIS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS? AND THEN LET'S DO THIS IN A WORK SESSION.
CAUSE SEE, WE GOING TO THROW AROUND SOME NUMBERS, HOW MANY YOU CAN HAVE HERE, HOW MANY YOU CAN'T HAVE THEN THE CHIEF NEEDS SOME INPUT.
AND I THINK IT'S THE THING WHERE WE NEED TO SIT AROUND A TABLE AND DO THIS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO AN A HERE TONIGHT.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THEN WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME OTHER INFORMATION FOR OTHER CITIES THROUGH THE CHIEF IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR PICKET OR THIS IS IN TERMS OF 10 PEOPLE, 20 PEOPLE, AND HOW MANY DAYS THAT ARE DONE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THIS ISSUE REALLY AIN'T WORTH MESSING WITH IT'S NOT WORTH MESSING WITH RIGHT HERE.
AND WHAT ELSE A DAY WITH GIVE UP AMBER THAT GAMBLE.
I'M SICK OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU COMING DOWN HERE WASTING MY TIME.
NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE WITH THE GAP.
BUT THIS IS STUFF IS, THIS IS FRIVOLOUS.
MY TIME IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS.
SO THEREFORE WE WILL DISCUSS IT.
WASN'T ON THE AGENDA THEN PERHAPS WE WOULD HAVE, WOULD NOT DISCUSS IT.
THE SECOND THING IS, AND IT MAY BE FRIVOLOUS IN, IN, IN ONE SENSE AND, AND YOU, AND I AGREE ON A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS AND, AND WE'RE PERSONAL FRIENDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I WANT THE PUBLIC SAFETY OBVIOUSLY TO BE PARAMOUNT, BUT I'M STILL ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT BELIEVED IN THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND WHAT THEY MEANT AND, AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE HAD A RIGHT TO SPEAK AND NO ONE HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK AND WHERE THEY CAN SPEAK AND ALL THAT.
AND THEY WERE VERY, VERY NARROW ABOUT WHERE YOU COULDN'T SPEAK AND WHEN YOU DIDN'T SPEAK.
AND THE THING THAT I WANT TO DO, AND I'VE MADE THIS COMMENT MANY TIMES, THOSE OF US WHO ARE IN A POSITION TO PASS A LAW, EVEN US HALDEMAN AND MAYORS ALL THE WAY UP TO PRESIDENTS OR NOT, MAYBE NOT PRESIDENTS, BUT CONGRESS LEGISLATURES HAVE TO MAKE VERY SURE THAT WE DON'T, UH, TAKE AWAY LIBERTY IN THE, IN THE ACT OF, IN, UH, TOO MUCH DEFENSE.
SO TO ME, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE PERSONALLY, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHILE WE DO IS THE RIGHT THING AND THE RIGHT THING FOR EVERYBODY CONCERNED, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT WE SAID IS THE LIMITS ON HIM, OR INDEED THE LIMITS ON OURSELVES AND IT LIMITS ON EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND SO I JUST THINK THAT IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT OFF TO A WORK SESSION AND LET'S DISCUSS IT SOME MORE LIKE THE LEGAL COUNSEL AND TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS SPLITTING IT UP BETWEEN A PARADE, DEFINE WHAT A PICKET IS, DEFINE WHAT A PARADE IS, SEE WHY WE CAN DO WITH THE CHIEF, THAT HE CAN BE COMFORTABLE, THAT HE CAN PROTECT US IN CASE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPENED FINE, BUT WE DO NEED TO RESOLVE IT.
AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO RESOLVE IT WHEN WE DO IN FAVOR OF PEACEFUL PIGGY, LET'S PUT IT ON THE FIRST WORK SESSION.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN DO IT IN THAT MANNER, BUT, AND I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TIME SO THAT WE DO IT IN THE MANNER THAT WE DO IT PROPERLY AND LET HIM BE.
I WOULD FEEL TERRIBLE IF WE, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE WENT WRONG IN EITHER DIRECTION, TAKE AWAY A MAN SPRAYED TO SPEAK IS NOT WITHIN MY POWER.
THE CONSULTATION THAT'S ALLOWING ME TO DO THAT.
BY THE SAME TOKEN, I AM EMPOWERED OR IT WAS VOTED IN TO HELP TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE TO TAKE THE WORD OF THE EXPERTS AND THE OTHERS THAT TO ME, ADVICE, GIVE US ADVICE.
SO, UH, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THIS THINGS THE MORE I MADE SURE WE DO THE RIGHT THING AND AMERICA AND MR. HARPER BE INVITED TO BE INVITED TO THAT MEETING.
ALSO WANT TO INVITE HIM TO THE MEETING.
ALSO WHEN WE THAT'LL BE FINE, YOU CAN BE, YOU CAN COME TO THE WORK SESSION, WE'LL SIT DOWN, WE'LL HASH IT OUT.
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WE'RE NOT TRYING TO KEEP YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO SPEAK.I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME ON THIS.
UH, AS MATT DID MADISON TELL HIM, CAUSE HE GOT ONE, DID YOU SAY, WELL, ONLY TO SPEAK, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT ELSE DID THEY, MR. MAYOR, WE GOT A SYSTEM HERE THAT WHEN I PRESSED THE BUTTON, YOU KNOW, I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IT CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOTGUN MATCH.
SO WHEN THEY ALL GET THROUGH, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK WELL, MAX, I THINK THIS COULD BE THE TIME.
MY COMMENTS ARE NOT DIRECTED AT BILL OR ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR, JUST THE SITUATION WHICH FACES US IN THIS INSTANCE, AS IT HAS AN OTHERS, WE ARE CHARGED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SETTING THE RULES AND GUIDELINES BY WHICH THE CITIES WILL BE OPERATED IN A LEGAL AND RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT COULD PRESENT THEM, BECOME A PROBLEM.
BRAIDS AND PICKETS COULD BECOME A PROBLEM.
SO IT CAN'T BE JUST DUSTED OFF BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO US BEFORE, WHEN IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE MIGHT NEED AN ORDINANCE CONTROLLING ADULT BUSINESSES AND IT WAS NEVER ACTED UPON.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE LIGHTLY.
WE FIND OURSELVES IN A BIND AT THE LAST MEETING AND WE NOW HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE CITY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.
HAD WE TAKEN OUR RESPONSIBILITY SERIOUSLY IN TRYING TO, UH, TO SET THE RULES AND REGULATIONS GOVERNING THIS TOWN SO THAT THEY ARE FAIR, BUT THEY PROTECT THE CITIZENS AND GIVE THEM THE RIGHTS THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING OF.
AND IT, IT BOTHERS ME THAT WE COME UP AGAINST SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THE ATTITUDE IS WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.
WHY WORRY ABOUT IT? WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH ADULT BUSINESSES AND WE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT SOON ENOUGH.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS NOW.
AND I DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THERE IS A PROBLEM.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO GET THE LAST MINUTE RUNNING AROUND LIKE CHICKENS WITH OUR HEADS CUT OFF.
SO I THINK THIS SITUATION IS SOMETHING OF A DEGREE OF SERIOUSNESS THAT DESERVES OUR CONSIDERATION AND NOT JUST TO DUST IT ON, LIKE IT DOESN'T EXIST OR LIKE IT IS NOT IMPORTANT AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE DAY, TWO DAYS, THREE DAYS OR ANY DAYS.
BUT I THINK IT IS A SITUATION THAT AT SOME POINT COULD BLINDSIDE US UNLESS WE ADDRESS IT AS IT IS AN ISSUE THAT COULD BECOME SERIOUS VERY EASILY.
IT CAN BECOME SERIOUS AND HAS AS THE CHIEF CONTINUE.
AND AS ANYBODY IN THE MEDIA CAN TELL YOU HAS BECOME SERIOUS IN OTHER TOWNS.
SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING ONE, TWO OR THREE DAYS.
I'M NOT TAKING BILL'S POSITION OR OPPOSING.
AND I'M SIMPLY SAYING WE GOT TO TAKE THINGS LIKE THIS SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY FIRST COME UP TO AVOID BEING BLINDSIDED.
LIKE WE HAVE BEEN RECENTLY THE LAST WHILE.
DID WE NOT? I MEAN, DO YOU AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO WORK? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M GOT MY IN TOWN OZONE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AGENDA MINUS NUMBER SEVEN, I GUESS YOU CALLED ROLL ON WHAT IS THAT? 606 AND EIGHT.
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.
NUMBER SEVEN, SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION.
OTHERS DON'T WANT TO GET ANY MONEY.
UH, BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I HAVE TO DO.
YOU CAN PUSH IT IF YOU'D LIKE OR NOT.
I LIKE THE GENERAL CONVERSATION AND UNTIL IT GETS OUT OF HAND, BUT I MEAN, BECAUSE ONE THING IS, I CAN'T SEE, I THINK VERY WELL TO TELL YOU THE SO WELL,
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YEAH, WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS THING ON SNL, NO, NOT MORE MONEY FOR GOD.AND I'M STILL GETTING THESE LETTERS BACK AND FORTH.
AREN'T YOU? I DON'T HAVE MANY OTHER PEOPLE ARE GETTING MONEY AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
SO I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND UH, WOULD YOU MIND FILLING US THE REST OF THEM IN? AND ONCE YOU TOLD ME ABOUT THIS, THIS IS AN APPROPRIATION BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THAT'S DONE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
UH, THE MONEY IS APPROPRIATED ROUGHLY $50,000 FOR EVERY COG IN THE STATE.
AND, UH, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET THE MONEY, EACH PARTICIPATING MUNICIPALITY AND COUNTY MUST ADOPT A RESOLUTION OF THIS TYPE OR THEIR PARTICULAR PER CAPITA SHARE OF THE FUNDS.
IF THE, FOR INSTANCE, WE DID NOT ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, THE MONEY WOULD NOT COME TO OUR, OUR AREA.
IT WOULD RE BE RESCINDED BACK INTO THE STATE TREASURY, UH, FOR REAPPROPRIATION THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO, UH, IT'S UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE DONE HERE IS THAT MONEY WOULD NOT COME INTO THE AREA OF MONEY WOULD STAY IN RALEIGH, UH, WHERE MONEY FROM RALEIGH WOULD BE FLOWING TO EVERYONE ELSE AND LIKE AMOUNTS.
SO IT'S, IT, IT HAS NO ADVANTAGE TO US UNLESS YOU WERE REALLY WANTING TO MAKE A STATEMENT OR SOME KIND OF WANT TO BE MEAN TO, UH, IF THEY WANT TO THERE'S A, THERE MAY BE A POLITICAL, THERE MAY BE A POLITICAL OR A, UH, STATEMENT TO BE MADE BY NOT DOING IT, BUT IT WOULD NOT BENEFIT THE CITY OR HURT US TO APPROVE OR DENY THIS REQUEST.
AS FAR AS OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION IS CONCERNED, THE MONEY DOESN'T COMPROMISE AND WE DON'T GET THE MONEY IF WE DON'T DO IT, BUT IT COMES TO THIS REGION, THIS REGION, UH, LET ME, LET ME FINISH.
MY, I WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, I WAS AGAINST CONTINUING TO BE A MEMBER OF THE CUP, BUT THIS BOARD SAW FIT TO CONTINUE ITS MEMBERSHIP.
NOW, AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, I FEEL LIKE IF THIS IS PART OF WHAT IS THIS YEAR'S OBLIGATION AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE WITH OUR OBLIGATION SINCE WE HAVE ALREADY VOTED TO CONTINUE WITH THE COG NEW SHIFT.
NOW WHAT GOES ON NEXT YEAR IS GONNA BE A WHOLE NOTHER STORY.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S MY FEELING BEHIND THIS STATEMENT.
WHAT DID, DID WE MAKE A MOTION? SECOND.
I WAS IN OUTER SPACE THERE FOR A SECOND, BUT I'VE LANDED AGAIN.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE KOSHER, BUT WHATEVER.
WELL, I JUST WANT TO JUST, UM, SAY THAT I BID ON SOME EQUIPMENT THAT THE COD WAS SELLING A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND, UM, MY BID WAS THE HIGHEST BID AND HAVE RECEIVED TWO OR THREE ITEMS AT THIS POINT.
AND THE OTHER ITEM IS LOCATED.
BUT THE POINT IS MY POINT HERE IS THAT IN ALL THIS DEALING WITH SEVERITY TRIPS AND PHONE CALLS, I'VE TALKED TO VARIOUS PEOPLE OUT THERE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MANY OF THEM ARE TELLING ME THAT THEY STILL HAVE A LOT OF SERIOUS PROBLEMS AND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSE CLEANING NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE ON THE BOARD UP THERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS A FACT AND THE PEOPLE IN ACCOUNTING AND TIRED OF SEEING GOOD MONEY GO AFTER BAD.
SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THAT'S NOT MY PRIMARY ISSUE.
UM, I'M ON A FOUR NOW, QUITE AWARE THAT THERE'S FEW PROBLEMS, I'M PROUD OF.
THEY'RE SERIOUS AND THEY HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND, UM, JUST A MONTH AGO WE TOOK STEPS TOWARDS CORRECTING IT.
SO WE JUST BEG YOUR INDULGENCE, GIVE US A LITTLE TIME.
THIS MONEY IS MONEY THAT WAS WEIGHTED APPROPRIATELY FOR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TO SAY A FORCE TO LEGISLATE TO SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, DON'T GIVE AN APPROPRIATION THIS YEAR TO ANYONE.
THEN IF WANT TO GO FOR THAT, I WOULDN'T PICK TOGETHER JUST BEING ME.
BUT IF YOU GO TO, THEY'VE ALREADY APPROPRIATED THE FUNDS, THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO ALL COGS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO EXCEPT TO SEND IT BACK.
AND IT JUST MIGHT DO SOMETHING POSITIVE.
IT'S ONLY TALKING ABOUT $1,500.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS, THIS IS $1,500.
IF YOU RATHER TO SEND BACK TO THE STATE TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO OTHER CARDS, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE MEAN TO ME.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE, I MEAN, IF YOU WERE DESPERATELY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THERE IS THE REPORTS, THE INVESTIGATION, IF DONE, YOU MENTIONED THE CHAIRMAN WAS THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN THE NORTH COUNTY AS BEING SOMEHOW INVOLVED IN THIS, IN THIS COMPUTER, BIND WITH MONEY.
WE CALL THEM APPROPRIATED BY COMPUTERS, UH,
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FAR.SO CORPORATIONS THAT THEY SET UP OVER THERE.
NOW, THIS MAN IS STILL SITTING ON THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS OVER THERE.
THIS STUFF IS NOT BOTH THE LIGHT.
DEMAND WAS ALREADY ARRESTED A YEAR AGO FOR CHILD MOLESTER AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
AND THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THE MONEY MIGHT GO BACK TO RALEIGH, BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.
BUT LISTEN, THIS IS A COUNTY AGENCY.
AND THEY'RE ALL PROBLEMS THEY'VE BEEN.
THIS IS ABC HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR 25 YEARS.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME WITHOUT SO MUCH LOOKING AT IT.
I'M JUST GLAD THAT NOW WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND WORKING ON IT.
NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND I WOULD LIKE YOU, IF WE COULD GO CLOSE THE DOOR, SAY EVERYBODY, GO HOME AND START OVER IT WITH MIKE.
BUT IT HAPPENED VERY POSITIVE THINGS IN THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN POSITIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS WELL.
AND SO I'M SAYING THAT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF NOW, NOW IN NEXT YEAR'S APPROPRIATION FROM THE LEGISLATURES.
IF THE NEW SERVER COUNCIL GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT IMPROVED IN ANY WAY, I SAY LESS THAN I JOINED THEM.
LET'S NOT GIVE THEM ANYTHING, BUT RIGHT NOW, MOVE ON.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS SINCE IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
NOW WE'LL TRY TO HELP YOU OUT.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO START GET SOME GLASSES OR SOMETHING
AND THEY WERE ALL, SOME POSITIVE THINGS GOING ON.
SO WE DID BUDGET AS MUCH AS READY TO BUY US A BUDGET BY THE STATE.
WE'RE JUST APPROVING THE STATE SMITH.
AND I HAVE NEVER, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.
CONSTANT GOVERNOR HAS BEEN A PROBLEM JUST LIKE I HAD DONE A COP ON THE PHONE UP AND GO, BUT I THINK THE BOY HAVE HAD A RUDE AWAKENING BECAUSE WE STAYED UP THERE AND HE GOT BORED.
AND WE LED TO BOY, I KNOW HE SPENT EIGHT HOURS UP THERE AND IT WAS PROBABLY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT WANT THE PROBLEM WITH COOK, BUT WE DID GET A FIXED HEAD.
THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO FIX THE PROBLEM AND THE PROBLEM, THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS THE DIRECTOR.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE A BALL TEAM FOR THE TEAM TO LOSE EVERY GAME.
NO ONE WAS GOING TO GET RID OF THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET WITH THE TEAM, BUT THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN POSITIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND HUB OF THE NINE COUNTY AREA DID A LOT OF GOOD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT THE HOSPITAL AND AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
AND I COULD GO ON AND ON WALK FOR YOUR WATER POWER GOING ON IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
I, IT, THIS EXIT SET UP AND HIS HEAD NINE CODONS AND HAVE CITY IN TOWN ALL TOGETHER, NOT SIX DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL DESK.
SIT AT THE TIME IS INVOLVED IN
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE EVEN HELPED THE DOWNTOWN AND DEFINITELY COST ME A MARRIAGE, ONE FRIEND, OR TWO PEOPLE TO SEND THE PROGRAM.
THEN WE WOULD TAKE A DRESS THAT I ASKED HIM TO CURE THE PROBLEM WITH ATTEMPTING SO MINIMAL PEOPLE.
I CAN'T SEE IT FOR THE LIFE OF ME.
NOW I'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF LETTERS AND SOME, SOME OF THEM WILL GET REALLY VULNERABLE.
I WANT TO STAND UP FOR WHAT'S RIGHT.
AND I WILL STAND UP NO MATTER WHERE I WALK THE WALK, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAPPEN TO PEOPLE, YOU AUTOMATICALLY COME TO ME BECAUSE YOU HAVE
AND I WANT SOMETHING POSITIVE, HAVING A NEW, AND I BELIEVED THE BOY SOMETHING POSITIVE BECAUSE THEY DID HAVE MAJORITY VOTING TO REMAIN IN THE NUTRIENT CONSOLE GOVERNMENT.
NOW I'M NOT GOING TO STAND HERE AND SAY, THERE'S NOT PROBLEM.
NOW YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT WILL DIP WAS IN THE OLD SCHOOL, HAD ALL THE CHAIN.
AND SO GETTING FREE FROM, I GOT A LOT OF MAIL FROM DIFFERENT ONES ABOUT WHAT GOING ON AND WHY THEY DON'T LIKE THIS.
WHY I DON'T LIKE NOTHING, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT OUT OF IT.
YOU KNOW, DON CHERRY POINTING AT THE SAME PROBLEM DOWN THERE, BUT TO SAY
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THAT WE ARE DOING A GOOD THING TO GIVE THIS ORGANIZATION CHECK.I BELIEVE THE BOARD HAVE HAD A RUDE AWAKENING.
THEY LOOKED AT THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT AND SAW SOME OF THE THING THAT HAPPENED.
AND YOU SAW SOME OF THE CORRECTION.
NO, THEY DIDN'T PRINT SOME OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE AS A BOY, BUT THEY DID PRINT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN DONE, BUT IT WAS A CORRECTION TO THE PROBLEMS. SO I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO WHAT WE SAY.
SO WE CONTINUED TO HELP THE PEOPLE.
IF YOU HAVING A QUESTION, I'D BE GLAD AS ANNOUNCING, MAY I CALL IT A QUESTION ON THE MOTION? I FORGOT WHAT THE MOTION, UM, THE MOTION WAS TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, UH, RELEASING THE FUNDS.
I'M FEELING THAT EMOTION, NOT THE RELEVANT.
WE READY TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION? NO, NOT GO HERE.
IT'S DONE WITH, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO PLAY YOU UNDERSTOOD.
I DO THIS EVERY YEAR ON THE WAY I'LL GET SO UPSET.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE IT ALONG.
I MAY NOT HAVE BLEND CONTENT TO STILL DON'T BELIEVE.
AND I STILL GET LETTERS ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE IT IS AND NOT READ THE SUN JOURNAL WHERE THEY'RE STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION AND POSSIBLY GO.
I'M NOT, I THINK IT'S WANTING TO BE BETTER OFF A RALEIGH MIGHT BE SOME FACTS.
ONE OF THE THING USE RAISE TAXES.
A THIRD OF THE OWNERS WERE SAYING, THAT'S THE BEST ONE.
WELL, THERE'S SOMEBODY ALL HIS OWN GOING TO COME FORTH AND TO SORT OF RESTATE THE MISSION STATEMENT, IF THERE IS A SHOULD BE COG AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND HOW IT'S ACCOMPLISHING IT AND HOW IT'S CHANGED DIRECTION OR WHATEVER IT'S DONE.
AND ALL OF THIS SUCH THAT IS NOW BEING ACCOMPLISHED, SAT AT ALL.
EVERY TIME AS IS MENTIONED ON THIS BOARD, IT ALWAYS CREATES MY ROLE AND I'M IN TOTAL CONFUSION AMONG OTHER THINGS.
BUT I MEAN, WHO WOULD BE A VEHICLE FOR DOING THAT? IS IT SOMEBODY ON THE COG OR IS IT SOMEBODY UP THE LADDER? THEY CAN COME OUT HERE AND EXPLAIN ALL THIS AND WHAT'S BEING DONE.
OR SOMEONE CAN, IF WE REQUEST THAT NOW, BUT THIS ONE, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IS MORE THAN ARE MORE OR LESS RUNNING THE AGENCY.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER AFTER WE'VE RESPONDED TO THE AUDIT REPORT NOW IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND HOPEFULLY WE'VE BEEN MOVING WELL.
I MEAN, MAYBE IT MAY BE JUST A SHORT MINUTE PRESENTATION WITH WHAT THE CALL IS.
SO LET'S SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE MR. SAMPSON SAYS IT HELPS PEOPLE.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE DESCRIBING A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, SAY THE BOY SCOUTS DO THAT OR THIS OR THAT.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THIS THING IS AND WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND HOW CLOSE IT'S COMING TO DO IT.
AND IF IT'S NOT, WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WHAT DIRECTIONS OR WHAT CHANGES ARE BEING MADE SO THAT IT WILL PERSONALLY SAY THAT I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION MYSELF.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY BEFORE YOUR NEXT WORK SESSION OR YOUR NEXT BOARD MEETING.
AND THEY WANT THEM TO GO OFF THEMSELVES ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY.
MAYBE I'M SUPPOSED TO, BUT THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER VOID IN MY CRANIUM UP THERE.
BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, MYSELF WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT A BIG THICK DOCUMENT.
THAT'S AN OUTLINE, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL FIT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY SAY THE MONEY, IT STARTS OUT HERE KIND OF LIKE THE MUSIC AND IT GOES ROUND AND AROUND AND HE COMES OUT HERE AND I, WELL, SEE WHAT I MEAN? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONCERT.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AT THE TOP.
AND WE WILL STILL HAVE, I EVEN NOTICED A LITTLE AD IN THE PAPER THE OTHER DAY, OUR, UH, TOWN HALL MEETING.
WHAT IS IT? NOVEMBER THE 15TH.
I JUST WANT TO KEEP REPEATING IT.
SO ANYBODY OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC, THAT ONE IS ABOUT THESE WONDERS THINGS WE TALK ABOUT CAN SHOW UP AND THEY'LL BE SOMEBODY RUNNING AROUND, OUT THERE, LIKE ON PHIL DONAHUE WITH A MIC.
WE'RE READY FOR THE QUESTION NOW.
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YES.NUMBER NINE IS APPOINTMENTS AND A NEWSREEL FOR COUNSELORS GOVERNMENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEBODY IS NOMINATE SOMEBODY AND THEY NEEDS TO RESIDE IN TOWNSHIP.
SOUND SHIPS, KEEP YOU WIZARD AND PUT HIM ALL NIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A NOMINATION TONIGHT OR DO WE NEED IT? YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL NEXT TIME OR THINK ABOUT IT OR MARILYN'S WAIT THE NEXT, THE NEXT MEETING.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT
IF THEY'D LIKE, I GOT TO PUT NAMED BOSS SMALL, THEY MIGHT WANT TO SERVE ON A LAWYER.
THE OTHER THING WAS THIS, THE BILL, AND YOU MIGHT NEED TO GIVE US SOME HELP ON THIS.
I HAD READ THIS LETTER SOMETIME BACK WHEN THE FIRST GUY TO THE BATHROOM APARTMENT, TO THE CAMERA, THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT AN APPOINTMENT MERITS OR NOMINATION.
BUT IT HAD TO BE FROM COUNTY AS OTHER NURSE BECAUSE MY READING OF IT, THEY HAD TO BE INVOLVED IN, UH, UH, MY WASN'T COASTAL AGRICULTURE, I THINK SO CAN'T REMEMBER THESE CRITERIA SITE.
SO I ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD BE BUNCHES OF PEOPLE OTHER THAN US, THAT YOU'D BE MAKING LAMINATION FOR THEIR SEAT.
AND THEN A MOM, THEY, PEOPLE THEY PICKED AND INDIVIDUALLY, THERE WILL BE CORRECT.
IF YOU DON'T MEET MY USUAL NOMINATION, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF NOMINATIONS MADE FROM THESE ITEMS. THE LAST ONE, THE PHONE, BECAUSE HE WANTED THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THOSE COUNTIES OFFICE, THE NICE SOME PEOPLE IN THE CORNER.
I KNOW A FEW OF THEM, DON, DID YOU HAVE ON YOUR APPOINTMENT? UH, FILL OUT AND YOU LIKED IT.
IF YOU FEEL THOSE THINGS OUT, THERE'S NO OTHER APPOINTMENTS TO BE MADE.
WE'LL START DOWN ON THE M WITH NON MISCELLANEOUS COLUMN.
UH, I GOT A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY, AND MOST OF YOU GUYS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, MAYBE NOT THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IN ANOTHER, SOME OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS LADY ON GRIFFIN AVENUE LIVES IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, SAID THAT SHE HAD BEEN PAYING SO MANY DOLLARS PER MONTH.
I THINK SHE SAID $8 A MONTH TO THE LANDLORD AND HAVE HER GARBAGE PICKED UP.
SO NOW WE'RE CHARGING HER $4 A MONTH AND SHE'S STILL PAY HIM.
UH, SHE FEELS THAT $8 A MONTH IN OUR WRINKLES OR RENT, HADN'T BEEN ADJUSTED BECAUSE HE'S NOT PAYING IT ANYMORE.
ARE YOU GOING TO, I'M SURE THIS ISN'T THE FIRST COMPLAINT, IS IT THEN? AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO IF ANYTHING, BUT BE AWARE THAT IT'S PROBABLY HAPPENING AT NOT JUST THIS ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
IT'S PROBABLY A BUNCH OF THEM.
AND IT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THIS LADY BECAUSE SHE'S JUST A LITTLE LOW 86 YEAR OLD LADY.
NOW WE'RE TAKING FOUR MORE DOLLARS OF WHAT? LITTLE BIT SHE DOES HAVE A LANDLORD, RIGHT? SHE WAS PAYING THE LANDLORD $8 A MONTH TO PICK UP HER TRASH, TAKE IT TO A DUMPSTER.
SO WE IN MOVE, BUT WE ARE REALLY NOT TAKING HER.
NOW WE'RE TAKING $4 FROM HER TO TAKE YOU TO THE SAME DUMPSTER.
AND SHE'S STILL PAYING THE LAND.
HE'S THE ONE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET.
SHE'S STILL PAYING YOU, RIGHT? THE LANDLORD MADE NO ADJUSTMENT.
THAT RE THAT RENT INCREASE WAS BY CONTRACT.
BUT IF HE HAD ANY TYPE OF SCRUPLES, HE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ADJUST TO ACCORDING TO, IS THIS SOMEBODY THAT YOU CONSIDERED LOW INCOME? I CONSIDER ANYBODY'S 86 YEARS OLD ON SOCIAL SECURITY.
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IS SHE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING FOR IT.WELL, THAT'S JUST THE FAVORITE.
IF IT'S $2, HE'S STILL PAYING $8.
AND SHE WAS PAYING BEFORE TO GET IT PICKED UP, WHICH HASN'T BEEN ADJUSTED.
AND I'LL SAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT MORE PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE ON THE SAME THING.
IT WAS WHATEVER ONE OF US HAS.
WHAT IS THE LEGAL ANSWER TO THAT? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT SINCE THAT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE LANDLORD AND THE LANDLORD TENANT QUESTIONS? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I MEAN, AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE US, WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE FULL BUCKS THEN.
I MEAN, I'LL ANYWAY, HEY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY IN THIS ONE DEVELOPMENT, PROBABLY A HALF OF THEIR TENANTS ARE PROBABLY OLD PEOPLE.
WELL, I MEAN, I'M AGREEING THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD THING, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T REMEMBER.
I SEE, WE MAY SEE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN TOWN AND I KNOW THAT THAT YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE GETTING RIGHT.
DANNY CAN, I'VE HAD SEVERAL PROBLEMS WITH THAT I HAVE FOUND IS THAT HE WAS NOT TALKING TO ME WHEN HE CAME TO DAN.
THAT'S WHY WE ALL GOT IN SERVICE, MAN.
UH, THE CITY LAST THE SERVICE, BUT BECAUSE THE, THE LANDLORD HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY.
THERE IS ONE OTHER
WELL, I MAY TAKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INFLUENCE I'D HAVE, BUT I MAKE, I'M GOING TO TRY SOMETHING BIGGER.
THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE MY AUNT HERE SOMEWHERE, THERE IT IS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING NEXT TUESDAY NIGHT, NOVEMBER THE FIRST AT SEVEN 30 AT THE WEST NEWMAN RECREATION CENTER.
IT'S INVOLVING THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN AND AROUND ELIZABETH LONG VIEW AVENUE.
THEY HAD NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE, SPEEDERS AND TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY LOUD SPEEDING TRAFFIC AFTER SAY 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
UH, WE'VE HAD THE POLICE OUT THERE, WHAT THREE WEEKS.
AND, UH, IT'S BEEN ABOUT OPEN SEASON.
THOSE GUYS HAVE WRITTEN SOME TICKETS AND THEY'VE CALLED A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO MEET WITH THEM AND, AND GET THEIR FEELINGS ON IT BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL EVENT.
YOU'VE GOT A SPECIAL INVITATION BECAUSE SOMEBODY SPOKE TO YOURS AND THE REST OF THEM, YOU HAVE AN OPEN INVITATION TO ATTEND.
I THINK THE CITY MANAGER AND DANNY CHIEF, CHIEF OF POLICE ALL GOING TO BE THERE.
SO YOU MAKE IT CLEAR THAT I'M GETTING A SPECIAL INVITATION BECAUSE PART OF IT'S IN MY WARD, NOT BECAUSE I GOT A TICKET WITH THAT, IT'S A BIG, LOUD, YELLOW VAN THAT OPENS.
IF YOU LIKE TO COME WITH APPRECIATE HAVING THAT'S ALL I GO AHEAD.
I GOT FIVE 16 BALL WITH YOU GO NOW.
WHAT IS IT? AND THAT IS A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED DENIED BY MR. WELLINGTON.
HE ASKED HIM AS BE GIVEN TO YOU HE'S YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THIS PETITION TO CITIZENS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
HE SAID HE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK THROUGH IT.
AND WHENEVER YOU GOT THROUGH IT, HE DIDN'T STAY FOR THE MEETINGS.
ALSO, UH, ONE ITEM OF MISCELLANEOUS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IS YOUR NEXT MEETING NIGHT IS ELECTION NIGHT.
AND SO ON OTHER OCCASIONS, WHEN THIS HAS HAPPENED, THE BOARD HAS MOVED THAT MEETING.
YEAH, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S HAVE IT WEDNESDAY BECAUSE BARBARA LEE AND I, WE LIKE TO GO DOWN TO THE COURTHOUSE AND, AND SUPPORT OUR CANDIDATES UNTIL THE WEDNESDAY AFTER THE ELECTION.
DOESN'T MATTER WHAT FAMILY TRADITION WE DO DO THAT THOUGH.
DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT OR SOMETHING? SOMEBODY WILL MAKE A MOTION TO DO IT.
WE NEED TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION.
OR WAS IT A VOICE
WHEN THAT MEETING TAKES PLACE PAST WHAT IS THIS GROUP?
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AND YOU WANTED TO SEE WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO EVER BE A PART OF IT.AS I SAY, LET'S MAKE A MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF A JOURNEY AND SAY, I