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I CALL A MEETING DAUGHTER AND A CITY MANAGER.
IT MUST'VE HOPPED ON TO OPEN FOR THE PRIOR LET'S BOW OUR HEADS, AND FRANKLY, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY.
FOR THIS TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US TO DELIBERATE MATTERS OF THE CITY THAT ARE BEFORE THE BOARD.
TONIGHT, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM THE WISDOM TO DEAL WITH THESE MATTERS IN A WAY THAT WOULD PLEASE YOU AND WOULD ALSO BE TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY.
WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD LESS, EACH ONE THAT ARE GATHERED HERE THAT GIVE US A GOOD HOLIDAY SEASON IN JESUS' NAME.
WAS THAT TOMMY? RIGHT? THE FIRST THING WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERED APARTMENTS AS A VOLUNTEER CHIEF AND VOLUNTEER DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE NEPA AND FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM 1995.
AND WE HAVE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN TO INDIVIDUALS WHO'VE BEEN VOTED ON AND NOMINATED.
SHOULD WE ASK THEM TO COME UP AND JUST ASK THEM TO COME FORWARD WHILE THEY'RE THE TWO FELLOWS THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPOINTED HERE? AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD, UH, JAMES K HIGHSMITH.
YOU HAVE BEEN, UH, IT'S BEEN UNANIMOUSLY DECIDED THAT YOU WILL BE THE VOLUNTEER CHIEF AND REED WENT FROM SENIOR WILL BE THE VOLUNTEER DEPUTY CHIEF.
WE NEED A MOTION THAT WE MAKE A ROLL CALL.
YOU WILL BE THE CHIEF AND THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OR THE FINAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN NORTH CAROLINA.
SO YOU'RE NOT EVEN MAX WAS ELECTED UNANIMOUS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS.
THERE'S NOBODY THAT WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK GOING ONCE.
IF YOU COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, MY NAME IS PETER DRISCOLL.
I LIVE AT THREE 30 TRYON PALACE DRIVE AND UH, MR. MAYOR AND BOARD OF ALDERMAN, I'M HERE TO, UH, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I SHOULD GET OUT NOW OR LATER ON WHEN THE ZONING COMMITTEE PRESENTS THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE ZONING AT THE END OF THE QUEEN STREET, BUT THAT A ZONING CHANGE BROUGHT SOMETHING TO MIND THAT I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT.
WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ABOUT THIS EVENING.
UM, AND THAT IS THE USE OF THE WATERFRONT, UH, AROUND THE PENINSULA THAT WE LIVE ON QUOTING BURNER PLACE, WHERE THE RIVERS MEET.
UH, WE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MANY OF US MOVED HERE AND WHY MANY OF THEM HAVE A STATE HERE IS WE SEE THE VALUE OF THE WATERFRONT.
IT'S IMPORTANT IN SO MANY WAYS.
AND, UH, I, I RELATED THIS STORY TO THE ZONING BOARD LAST WEEK, AND I'D LIKE TO JUST BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH IT AGAIN A YEAR AGO, LAST CHRISTMAS MORNING OF RIGHT NICOLE MORNING, I TOOK A LONG WALK ALONG THE ROAD WATER FROM A BUSY CHRISTMAS SEASON.
AND I MIGHT SAY A PROFITABLE ONE FOR ME, MY BUSINESSES, DOWNTOWN NEWBURGH, I WALKED OVER TOWARDS THE FARMER'S MARKET, SAW THAT, UH, SOME OF THE SPACE THERE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DO LOOKING TOWARDS THAT END OF THE RIVER.
WHEREAS THAT END OF THE WATERFRONT AGAIN, MIGHT WALK PAST THE SHERATON AND LOOKED AT ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THERE.
THE TERRIFIC MARINA, WE HAVE THE NEW WAVE WALL, THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF BOATS DOWN THERE.
AND I WAS ABLE TO WALK ALONG WITH YOU ALL THAT WALK PAST THE AREA WHERE THE NEW SHERATON IS NOW, AND HE SAW THE AREA WHERE THE CONDOS WILL BE PUT UP YOU ANY OF THIS NEXT YEAR.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS A SENSE OF BEING ABLE TO PRESERVE THAT AND MAINTAIN IT WALKWAY, WHERE WE COULD
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WALK ALONG THE WATER AND SEE THE BULLETS AND SEE THE RIVER WENT UNDER THE BRIDGE AND WALKED AROUND ROUTE OR UNION POINT, KNOWING THE PLANS THAT SWISS BEAR AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAD THAT THOUGHT WHAT A GREAT AREA.THIS WILL BE IN A FEW MONTHS, PERHAPS A YEAR WHEN WE GET THE VOLCANO AGAIN, MIKE IS WORKING SO HARD ON AND HAVE THAT WATERFRONT CONTINUE TO WALK AROUND NASTY A NEW BOAT RAMP THERE AND LOOKED UP AND SAW A SIGN NEXT TO COMFORT SUITES THAT SAID, I COULDN'T GO ON THE GRASS THERE UNLESS I WAS A RESIDENT OF THE HOTEL OR A BOAT OWNER.
AND I THOUGHT, WHAT A DAMN SHAME THEY BOUGHT THE WATER.
I IGNORED THE SIGN AND WALKED UP THE DEAL.
GRASSY KNOLL SAW SOME BULLETS.
WHAT BEHIND THE OLD HOLIDAY INN THREW BUNCH OF TRASH AND GLASS.
AND I THOUGHT, WHAT A GREAT PLACE THIS WILL BE SOMEDAY.
I HOPE WE CAN HAVE A WALKWAY HERE SO THAT ALL MAY ENJOY IT.
CONTINUE TO WALK MORE ALONG THE NEUSE RIVER, AGAIN, SEEING THE AREA THAT IS NOW VACANT LAND NEXT TO THE BRIDGE.
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, THIS BRIDGE WON'T BE HERE ANYMORE.
I WANT TO GO, WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE? PERHAPS THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR A CONVENTION CENTER, A REAL ONE DOWN THE ROAD, THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS THAT WOULD OVERLOOK OUR MAGNIFICENT RIVER, BE RIGHT ON THE WATER, BUT SOMEHOW BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AGAIN, THAT SPACE FOR ALL OF US TO USE, WENT THROUGH THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND THEN BACK UP BEHIND, UH, AT THE END OF QUEEN STREET THERE.
AND THAT MAN WALKED THROUGH SOME BROKEN GLASS TIDE WAS OUT THAT DAY.
AND I WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH, UH, THROUGH SOME LAND THERE THAT I THINK NORMALLY YOU COULDN'T WALK ALONG WITH THE WORD ITSELF, BUT I WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THERE.
I COULD SEE SOME FUTURE NEW DIAMOND AND FUTURE CHANGE COMING WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING WITH RAILROAD DEPOT AND THE PLANS THAT ARE BEING MADE FOR THAT.
THE ONE IN SHORT OF IT IS I THOUGHT, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF SOMEHOW I COULD LIVE HERE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE A BIKE PATH OR A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY WITH SOME GRASS ALONG THE ENTIRE RIVER, SAY FROM MAYO AND MILL ALL THE WAY AROUND TO LAWSON CREEK PARK, BUT WE KEEP CHIPPING AWAY AT IT.
AND WE KEEP FINDING WAYS TO, TO, UH, TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK IF I HAVE ANY MESSAGE TONIGHT, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE ZONING CHANGES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT, AND THOSE THAT WILL COME UP IN THE FUTURE, PLEASE SAY THAT PLAN FOR THE CHILDREN AND SENIORS AND LEARN THE MAGIC RIVER MAGIC OF THE TIMES, DO A LITTLE FISHING OR WALKING OR BIKING.
AND IF WE KEEP CHOPPING IT UP, THAT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND IT IS YOUR MOST VALUABLE ASSET.
AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR TOURISM.
IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.
AND IT'S ONLY UP TO SAY NET, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE? OH, LET ME MAKE ONE STATEMENT THAT REALLY SHOULD HAVE GONE INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN, WHICH IS THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA, BUT CENSUS THE NEXT THING ANYWAY, I JUST LET IT GO ON.
BUT AS ANYBODY WHO PROPERLY BELONGS IN THE REQUEST AND PETITION OF CITIZENS, IN OTHER WORDS, NOT TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SAY, OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO SAY A THING, BUT I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE SOME STUDENTS HERE TONIGHT.
YOU MAY MISS THIS MESS GOVERNMENT PLANS.
WHERE DOES THE GUY THINK I'M LIVING? I WAS GOING TO RECOGNIZE I'M SORRY.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STAND UP SO WE CAN SEE WHERE YOU ARE? AHA.
WELL, DON'T LET US FRIGHTEN YOU TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY WORRY ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT LET ME WARN YOU.
WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, IF SOMEBODY TOLD ME I WAS GOING TO BE THE MAYOR, I WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED IT EITHER.
ONE OF YOU MIGHT BE, YOU ALL CAN HAVE A SEAT.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE PERHAPS TO CONSIDER AMENDING THE ZONING MAP.
SO AS TO CHANGE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF 8.74 ACRE TRACK LOCATED AT THE NORTHERN EASTERN QUADRANTS OF THE INTERSECTION OF EAST AND EAST FRONT QUEEN AND EAST FRONT STREET FROM C4 NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS BUSINESS DISTRICT AND I TO INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO RTM RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO NOW I THINK WE DETERMINED THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN,
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SO WE'VE ALREADY HAD ONE GENTLEMAN SPEAK, SOMEBODY ELSE LIKED TO MAKE LIKE, OKAY, MIKE, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION, I GUESS.MIKE IS GOING TO TELL US WHAT IS PROPOSED.
SO MAYOR BOARD OF ALL WOMEN, YOU HAVE TO PULL YOU IN YOUR PRACTICE, THE INFORMATION ON WITH THE POST RUE SIGN, WHICH CONSISTS OF THREE PROPERTIES ON NELSON DEBIT AND THE HELL PARTNERSHIPS, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD CONSIDER THIS.
AND THEY DO AT THE DECEMBER SIX MEETING AND RECOMMENDED THAT, UH, OUR 10 ZONING, NOT THE, UH, USED FOR THE SITE, BUT THAT, UH, R SIX IS CONSIDERED FOR THE SITE.
UH, AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE FOR YOU, I HAVE ALSO ON YOUR DESK TO SEE AN ADDENDUM, UH, TO THAT ISSUE THAT I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND READ IF I COULD.
UM, HERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP, UH, AFTER THAT MEETING, UH, CONCERNED PRIMARILY WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE IMPACTS THE PROPOSED REZONING MAY HAVE ON THAT.
AND IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST READING THROUGH THAT OR EVERYONE CALLS, UH, I THINK YOU ARE KNOWN WHEN THAT IT HAS A COPY AND YOU CAN JUST RECEIVE IT.
UH, AS NOTED IN YOUR PACKET, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT THE NELSON LIP AND PALATE PARTNERSHIPS PROPERTIES, YOU RESIGNED FROM C4 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT PERSPECTIVE TO OUR SIX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THIS RECOMMENDATION DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTIES TO AN R 10 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND WAS BASED ON INPUT FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OWNERS AND SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT RESIDENTS.
DURING THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARDS MEETING HELD DECEMBER 6TH, 1994, RESIDENTS GENERALLY FELT THAT A RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY WAS APPROPRIATELY AND THAT THE WATERFRONT LOCATION COULD SUPPORT A HIGHER DENSITY OF HOUSING THAN WAS FOUND IN THE ADJACENT HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY AND CHARACTER.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS REQUESTED SIX DESIGNATION AND ONLY ONE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENCE VOICE AN OBJECTION BASED ON THEIR COMMENTS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, A PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDED THE
SINCE THAT MEETING DAY, UH, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL STAFF DISCUSSIONS ON THIS AND STAFF HAS EXAMINED THE REQUEST MORE VERBALLY AND ASKED CONCERNS THAT THE R SIX DENSITY MAY BE TOO OVERWHELMING BASED ON, ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LAND USE PATTERNS.
AND THE HISTORIC, THE SUBJECT SITE COULD CONCEIVABLY ACCOMMODATE UP TO 95 UNITS IF RISA SIX, THIS BASED ON THE CALCULATION OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET FOR THE FIRST UNIT IN 2000 SQUARE FEET FOR EACH ADDITIONAL UNIT, THIS WOULD TRANSLATE INTO APPROXIMATELY 65 UNITS FOR THE POWER TRACK, 16 FOR THE LIFTED TRAP TRACK AND 14 FOR THE NELSON TRACK AND ANALYSIS OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT REVEALS THAT ALL THE MANY HOUSES ARE LOCATED ON LOTS THAT ARE BELOW 6,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SIZE.
THE OVERALL DENSITY OF UNITS IS THREE TIMES LAST AND WOULD BE ALLOWED INTO OUR SIX 70 AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE BLOCK OF BOUNDED BY KING STREET ON THE NORTH EAST STREET.
THESE TRUCKS STREET ON THE EAST JOHNSON STREET ON THE SALE AND CREATE A STREET ON THE WEST CURRENTLY HAS 21 DETACHED HOUSING UNITS.
IF THE BLOCK WERE VACANT AND DEVELOPED OUR SIX STANDARDS, 75 UNITS COULD BE BUILT ON THAT SAME BLOCK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ALL OF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE LOCAL DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THE HISTORICAL CONSERVATION COMMISSION HAS DESIGNED REVIEW AUTHORITY IS ANTICIPATE THAT IT COULD BE DIFFICULT TO DESIGN A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC DISTRICT, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT COULD BE LEGALLY PLACED THERE WITH ARSON ZONING, WITH THESE CONCERNS IN MIND, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REQUEST THAT THE BOARD LONG AS CONSIDER TABLING FINAL ACTION UNTIL THIS ISSUE CAN BE REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND A REPORT GIVEN BACK TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION THIS JANUARY MEETING, UH, THE CONCERN HERE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SIZE AND LOSS.
SO FOR THE DENSITY ISSUES AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE'RE NOT ANALYZED ANY DATA.
SOME CONCERN WAS EXPRESSED, ESPECIALLY BY THE SECRETARY OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION THAT IT NEEDED FOR REWORKING.
AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST, IT FEELS
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COMFORTABLE WITH IT THAT AFTER THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, THEY CONSIDER GIVING US ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET BACK WITH YOU SAYING THE JANUARY MEETING ON THAT.UH, IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD ON THE ACTUAL, WE WOULD UNDERSTAND, BUT WE JUST HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, AND WHAT LENGTH DOES KNOWN TO THE, UH, IT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR SIX A DENSITY, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
I LIVE AT 5 0 5 5 EAST FRONT STREET.
UH, IT'S HARD TO OPPOSE THE REQUEST TO TAKE FOREVER, TO LOOK AT SOMETHING, BUT I WOULD URGE THE BOARD TO DELETE CONSIDER THAT, UH, THIS THING HAS BEEN ADVERTISED.
EVERYBODY'S HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
WE CAME AS CLOSE TO CONSENSUS AS I HAVE EVER SEEN IN A, ANY ZONING MATTER.
I HAVE REALLY, I'VE BEEN IN AN AWFUL LOT OF THEM IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
I'VE BEEN IN SONG AND CAME CLOSE TO ARRIVE, BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN THE ONE THAT CAME THIS CLOSE TO THE CONSENSUS AND EVERYBODY WAS ACTING AND THEN WONDERFUL MOVE TO THE LANDOWNERS WERE GIVING UP VERY RUDE, VALUABLE FACTUALLY VALUABLE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? AND WE'RE ASKING ONLY THAT WE CONSIDER SUFFICIENT DANCES AS TO ENSURE A REASONABLE RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT.
AND THEN IN THAT SPIRIT, I'M SURE THEY WOULDN'T OVERLOAD THIS PROPERTY, EVEN IF ANYBODY WOULD LET THEM.
AND PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER MIKE IS CONSIDERED YET, WE'RE IN FLOOD PLAIN, THERE, EVERYTHING IS BUILT.
SO IT MAY HAVE TO BE WAY UP IN THE AIR TO START.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE DAM SEMI THAT MIKE WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL IN REASONABLE USE OF THAT PROPERTY DOWN THERE.
AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT I WOULD URGE THE BOARD.
AT LEAST WE CAN SAY THAT WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYBODY MAKING A CONCESSION AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND, IT ARE GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE ON THE DANCE PROPERTY, THE OWNERS OF THE PARTICULAR GIVEN OF A LOT WITHOUT A FIGHT.
AND NOBODY SAID WE WERE HERE FOR WHICH I EXPECT THAT SOMEBODY WOULD SAY SOONER OR LATER, THAT'S WHAT YOU ALWAYS HEAR LIKE, UH, NOBODY EVEN SAID, AND IT WAS JUST WONDERFUL.
AND I HOPE THAT WE WON'T DELAY IS TOO LONG.
AND I HOPE THAT WE WILL GIVE CONSIDERABLE WEIGHT TO THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME SORT OF A DENSITY TRANSITION.
AS YOU TURN THAT CORNER, YOU ARE MOVING FROM VERY SMALL SINGLE FAMILY LOSS AROUND A CORNER, UP TO THE SALVATION ARMY ON ONE SIDE.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE VERY DANCE OF BARKERVILLE.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY HOPE OF ACTUALLY GETTING SOMETHING BUILT THERE THAT WILL GET THIS PROPERTY CLEANED UP AND FINISHED THE WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT OF FARNAM STREET, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD ANCHOR FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT ON QUEEN STREET, THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A DENSITY CONCESSION.
IT SEEMS TO ME, AND NOT ONLY IS THAT GOING TO NEED TO BE DONE AS A REMINDER TO GET SOMETHING BUILT IN, BUT ALSO, UH, IS ITS OWN PRACTICE.
SO I'VE ALWAYS HEARD TO HAVE A TRANSITION FROM ONE TYPE OF USE TO A, TO ANOTHER, OR FROM ONE DENSITY TO ANOTHER, UH, RATHER THAN TRYING TO GO ABRUPTLY FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, BECAUSE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ABRUPT BARRIER OR THE OTHER CREATE PROPERTIES THAT NOBODY WANTS TO.
SO AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION OF A CHANGE IN DENSITY AS YOU COME AROUND.
AND I THINK WE REACHED THAT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER WHEN WE REACHED THE CONSENSUS OF SOME HEARING AND I WOULD URGE YOU TO GO ON AND LET'S GET ON WITH IT AND NOT BEAT THINGS TO DEATH BY A BUNCH OF HERE.
SO AS TO FURNISH TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS, THAT YOU A CLEAR INDICATION THAT BETWEEN THIS AND THE RAILROAD
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STATION, THERE ISN'T AN INTENTION IN THIS COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE THE WONDERFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING ON AND GET PEOPLE BACK INTERESTED BEFORE QUEEN STREET BECOMES AN INDEPENDENT WILL BEAR LIKE AT 7 0 7 EAST IN FRONT OF A HUNDRED FEET DOWN FROM THE PROPERTY QUESTION AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM SOME OF THE OTHER PROBLEM.UM, MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT THE DEAL WITH SAME SETUP AND DIRECTORY, SORT OF ON THE FRINGE OF WHEN REDEVELOPMENT STOP WITH THE HOPE THAT LOOKING UP THE STREET AT EAST STREET AND AROUND THE QUEEN STREET, THAT, THAT SUNDAY, THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY UP THERE.
UH, WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO WHATEVER RESIDENTIAL DONE WE WENT TO DID NOT THOSE CONDOMINIUMS. UM, WE MOVED INTO THE CITY THAT IS PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE NAMES, WHICH WE ALREADY DID.
UM, WE HAVE ON THE MIND THAT WHATEVER WE WOULD DO TO HELP AND ENCOURAGE THE CURRENT BAN ON, IN AND TEAR DOWN THE OLD WAREHOUSES AND THE OLD SAW MILL AND USE THAT FOR SOME BEAUTIFUL CONDOMINIUMS, UH, TRUST THEY WOULDN'T OVERLOAD THE AREA.
UM, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
UH, EVEN IF IT HAS TO GO TO OUR
AND I THINK THE FEELING OF OUR BOARD IS THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CALLED THROUGH RIGHT BY US.
AND AS FAR AS WHATEVER DENSITY COMES IN, WHETHER IT'S IN OUR SIX R EIGHT OR OUR TIM, WE ARE VERY PLEASED THAT THE IDEA THAT THE ZONING PLANNING AND ZONING MORE TO RECOMMEND THAT IT BE CHANGED.
I THINK IT MEETS THE NEEDS OF OFFERS AND TOO, I THINK
WE CERTAINLY WILL HAVE TO GO BEFORE.
WE WILL HAVE TO GO
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OF THE CITIZENS.I THINK IT WILL MEET YOUR NEEDS.
I CAN ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU TALKING ABOUT IT'D BE SCRUTINIZED AND RESPECTED.
I CAN IMAGINE ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE THERE NOW BE THERE EVERY MORNING.
MIKE, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PROBLEM? I MEAN, IT'S KINDA LIKE, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE BUNCH OF HORSES RODE THROUGH GOING THIS WAY AND THERE'S ONE GUY AND I'M GOING TO ASK HIM ONE GUY.
AND SO INSTEAD OF THEM AS MUCH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE EASIER.
I DIDN'T WANT TO COME UP HERE AND RATE THAT, BUT, UH, BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD HAD AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT DENSITY, AND THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN DENSITY BETWEEN OUR SIX AND OUR EIGHT AND THE IMPACTS.
HOWEVER, UH, I THINK FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD THIS EVENING, UH, THAT THE, UH, SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND SO FORTH ARE AWARE OF THOSE AND ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, HE WAS DOING HIS JOB.
MIKE AND THEN HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION.
HAVE ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HAD ANY INPUT AT THIS POINT? I KNOW THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CALLED INTO IT IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY, BUT NONE OFFICIALLY HAVE THEY HAD ANY COMMENT WHATSOEVER.
UH, ONE OF THE, UH, HBC MEMBERS WAS THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING, UH, AND EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THE
I JUST WANT TO GET OUT, THEY WERE GOING TO TURN INTO A LYNCH MOB TOMORROW.
NO, BUT, UH, IF, IF THEY'RE NOT OUT IN FORCE ALREADY, THEN I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY FAIRLY COMFORTABLE TO, I BELIEVE WE CAN.
ON THE R SIX IS HIGHER THAN EXISTING AND LESS THAN WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
SO YOU MAY ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS WRONG WITH THE RCX CLASSIFICATION IN IT, AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING STAFF, AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING, MERYL HAD TO MAKE A MOTION.
WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR.
WELL, LET THEM MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TO CHANGE QUEEN STREET AT EAST FIRST STREET FROM C FOR NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND I TO INDUSTRY DISTRICT TO OUR SIX RESIDENTS.
THE SECOND ORDINANCE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE.
IT'S TOO EARLY TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
THIS WOULD BE WHEN THEY START DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
THE NEXT THING WILL BE TO CONSIDER A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REQUEST FOR EXTENSION OF THE REGIONAL FUNDING REQUEST FROM FIVE YEARS TO EIGHT YEARS
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NOW.IT'S YOUR ON MR. MAYOR? MY NAME IS STEVE KICKS AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEWMAN AREA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS BACK IN THE SPRING TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED
AT THAT TIME, WE ASKED YOU TO COMMIT TO $25,000 A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS AS WE HAD THE COUNTY.
UH, AND ALSO WE HAD ASKED THE TDA COUNTY TOURISM DEVELOPED FOR $50,000 A YEAR FOR FIVE YEARS, WHICH WAS A TOTAL OF $500,000 FOR FIVE YEARS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE LAST SIX, SEVEN MONTHS, SINCE THAT TIME, UH, DUE TO HIGHER INTEREST RATES AND HIGHER CONSTRUCTION COSTS, UH, AND A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT HAD TO BE MADE TO THE CODE, UH, IN THE RENOVATION OF THAT PRODUCT, UH, DAMIEN CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN $200,000.
UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT, UH, WE MET WITH OUR BANKERS, UH, WHO IS A LOCAL POODLE, LOCAL BLACKS, UH, COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT.
AND THEY, UH, FORCED PROCESS OF TRYING TO REARRANGE FINANCING, UH, FOR THE LARGER MAP CAME OUT.
AND AT THAT TIME TO PAY BACK A LOAN PROCESS THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UH, HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, UH, INSTEAD OF COMING BACK AND ASKING YOU FOR A PARTICULAR YEAR TO INCREASE TO 25 OR 30 OR 40 OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT TAKE, UH, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO ASK YOU TO EXTEND, UH, THAT CAN BE FROM FIVE YEARS PAGERS AND TALKING TO THE MIX, THEY FELT LIKE THIS WOULD HELP US BE A NECESSARY PAYBACK SCHEDULE.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, TO PRIVATE COUNTY TRUISM LETHARGIC, IF THEY WOULD EXTEND THERAPY THOUSAND DOLLARS, UH, CONTRIBUTION, UH, FROM FIVE YEARS PAGERS AND THEY AGREED TO DO THAT FORCE HAS BEEN VERY MUCH PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE ARE HERE NOW TONIGHT ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE FIVE, EIGHT YEARS, AND WE WILL ALSO GO TO CANADA AND ASK THEM TO CONSIDER STANDING THERE FROM FIVE QUESTIONS.
WELL, PERCENTAGE WISE WAS THE INCREASE IN YOUR ESTIMATED COST.
BASICALLY, BASICALLY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, ABOUT OVERALL FOR THE TIRE PRICE.
PROBABLY ABOUT 20% OF THE CONVENTION SIDE IS CONSUMED ALL.
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE COSTS, MOST OF THE COSTS, UH, OCCURRED IN THAT SIDE.
THERE WERE TWO MAJOR CHANGES THAT HAD TO BE MADE.
UH, WE HAD ACTUALLY DEMOLISHED ONE PART OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHERE THE KITCHEN WOULD GO FLIP THE BILL FROM SCRATCH.
AND THEN YOU MOVED THAT WILL SUPPORT THE, UH, THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS. AND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS ON THAT SIDE WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND REBUILD SO THAT, UH, THAT UNEXPECTED COSTS WHAT THE STREETS, AS MUCH AS IT, ONCE THEY RUN FROM ABOUT, UH, 500,000 UP AROUND SEVEN AND A HALF REALIZED THAT SOME OF THAT, SOME OF THAT IS INTEREST.
OTHER WORDS, IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO ALL THIS AT ONE TIME, UM, THAT WE FIND WE HAVE TO BORROW THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, IT HAS TO BE PAID BACK OVER OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND NOT HAVING ALL OF IT IN FRONT OVER THAT FIVE YEARS.
THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN PAUL.
SO THERE'S INTEREST WITH BOB IN THIS OVERALL QUEST.
IT'S NOT JUST THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT HAD, HAS INCREASED, BUT THE INTEREST RATES OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET, UH, UH, AN INCREASED HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WE'LL BE IN THAT WHOLE THING WHEN YOU'RE DONE WELL, ALL THE CONVEYANCING SIDE, UH, MR. MAYOR, LET'S SAY IT'S AROUND 8,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING SPACE.
AND THEN THERE'S AROUND 11,000 ON THE OFFICE COMPLEX SIDE FOR THE BUSINESS.
SO YOU'RE TALKING 19,000 AND WE'RE GOING TO SPEND HOW MUCH AND THE
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WHOLE BUSINESS, UH, RIGHT NOW.SO THE COST OF THE LAND, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE, UH, AROUND A MILLION $400,000.
WELL, WHAT'S, YOU'RE ASKING OF US IS A 75% INCREASE IN.
WELL, IF WE WERE GOING TO GIVE, IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE FIVE YEARS, AND NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR THREE YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT A FOR EIGHT YEARS FIGURE OUT THE PERCENTAGE, SAY GOING TO BE AN EXTRA 75 POUNDS, 60%, 60% THEY BE IN PRISON.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
ALL THE NET ALL THE TIME THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM THE PEOPLE IN MY WARD HAS BEEN NICK MINE, TUBS OF COSTS.
WE UP HERE ALREADY PAYING WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE COUNTIES, 25,000 A YEAR PAYING THE BILL 14%, 16%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE IS IT, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF THE COUNTIES TAX REVENUE THAT COMES FROM THE CITY PROPER, HOW MUCH THE TAX ABOUT 25%.
SO 25% OF WHAT THE COUNTY IS GIVING COMES OUT OF THE CITY PLUS EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY HAS GIVEN COMES OUT OF THE CITY OH, STEVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I REALLY SUPPORT IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH THE COMMITMENT THAT WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM, I THINK WE'VE DONE ENOUGH.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REASON I THINK THIS IS THAT WHEN I SPOKE AT THAT HOTEL WITH THAT HOTEL GROUP, NO, THEY DIDN'T EXPRESS ANY, UH, UH, INTEREST IN, IN THAT 3% TOURISM TAX.
AND I THINK IT'S TIME IF THEY REALLY SUPPORT THIS CONVENTION CENTER.
AND I THINK IT'S UP TO THEM TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT BY ASKING US TO NASH THIS, UH, TAX.
NOW I'M NOT GOING TO, UH, UNILATERALLY AND NATURALLY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THEIR APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THEM.
BUT THE CITY OF NEW BERN AND TH TH THE BOARD, WE, AS A BOARD, WE HAVE DISCUSSED SOME LONG RANGE PROJECTS, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY TIE UP THE CITY'S TREASURY PLUS SUCH A LONG DURATION FOR A PROJECT WHOSE BENEFIT IS SPECULATIVE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MEETING FACILITY, THAT'S GOING TO HOLD THREE OR 400 PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY MODEST CONVENTION CENTER.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD FIRST STEP, BUT WE GOT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO BRING UP NEXT YEAR, NUMBER ONE, OVERHAUL IN THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT, SO THAT IT CATERS TO NEED OF OUR CITIZENS.
THAT'S GOING TO TAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
AND, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME BUILDING PLANS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE BEING DISCUSSED AND MANY OTHER THINGS.
AND I HAVE GOTTEN SOME CALLS REGARDING THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT AND LIGHT MAT.
AND I THINK I TOLD YOU THAT ONE TIME BEFORE, AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL MONEY SIMPLY BECAUSE OF, I THINK WE'VE DONE ENOUGH.
LET ME TELL YOU THAT I'VE MET ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS WITH THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY HOTELS, AND OF COURSE YOU WERE AT A MEETING, ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS SINCE THEN, WE'VE MET A COUPLE OF TIMES.
THEY HAD EXPRESSED THEMSELVES TO THE FADER COUNTY TEA.
THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED OF HOW A ROOM TAX MIGHT'VE MIGHT AFFECT THEIR BUSINESS, BUT I THINK THEY ARE VERY OPEN TO, TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS THAT WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOARD HERE, UH, WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TA AND THE CHAMBER WOULD BE TAKEN BACK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO ARRANGE THAT MEETING.
BUT I THINK THAT, UH, THEY, THEY WOULD BE, THEY REALLY SIT DOWN AND LET YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AND HEAR YOUR CONCERNS.
AND I THINK THAT BASICALLY, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, THERE IS A GREAT
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DEAL OF PEOPLE WITHIN THE AREA THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW PUBLIC MONEY IS SPENT.WE KNOW THAT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO KNOW THAT THOSE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE LOOKING FOR JOBS FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AND THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE INCREASE OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY IN THIS AREA.
SO I ASKED THEM THE INDUSTRY, YOU MENTIONED THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, PEOPLE FROM THE HOTEL HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY WILL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU, TALK WITH YOU AND TRY TO REACH SOME CONSENSUS ON THIS.
AND THAT LOCKED DOWN TO YOU TO SET THAT UP.
THAT'S MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT AT THAT DATE.
WE WOULD BRING IT BACK ON THE AGENDA AGAIN, BUT FOR NOW I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL SUCH A MEETING TAKES PLACE AND HEAR FROM THEIR OWN VOICE THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT SUCH A, SUCH A FUNDING SOURCE.
AND I WOULD PUT THAT IN THE FORM OF EMOTION WHEN THE TIME IS APPROPRIATE.
UH, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK YOU'RE SAVING ABOUT REDOING THIS OLD BUILDING, AS OPPOSED TO JUST BUILDING OUT FROM SCRATCH? AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS SURPRISINGLY, I'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE TELL ME OVER THIS PAST PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK THE THING WAS GOING TO BE BIG ENOUGH.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT WAS LIKE A SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE.
WHY NOT GO AHEAD IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CIVIC CENTER AND PUT UP, BEG WENT OUT NEAR THE WATER, YOU KNOW, TO DRAW FROM THE, FROM THE VIEW THAT WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD COMPETE WITH, DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE WATERFRONT EXAMPLE AND, YOU KNOW, AND THIS THING WOULD NOT BE NEXT TO THE WAR.
OF COURSE IT'S ACROSS THE STREET, BUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT SAVINGS DO YOU SEE OVERHAUL IN THIS OLD BUILDING, AS OPPOSED TO SPENDING 1.4 MILLION, THE BUILDING OF A NEW ONE? UH, MR. MAY, I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED FEASIBILITY STUDIES.
UH, THERE, THERE WAS, IT WAS FELT THAT WE NEEDED SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE CLOSE TO THE AREA.
HOTELS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WAS A PLACE WAS, WAS THE MOST PROFITABLE PLACE TO PUT THE VENTURE CENTER PROBABLY AT, OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, SPACE DOWNTOWN, ADEQUATE PARKING, UH, AND SPACE BUILDING IN LARGE.
UM, IT'S, UH, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME WE COULD NOT GET SUPPORT, UH, FOR A LARGE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CENTER.
AND SO THE IDEA WAS LET'S TAKE AN OLD DOWNTOWN BUILDING AND RENOVATE IT, UH, AND PROVE OVER A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER, TO 10 YEARS THAT WE CAN GENERATE THE BUSINESS THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING, UM, IN THIS AREA.
AND THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT, I THINK, OR YOU'RE TALKING HONESTLY, SIX ONE HALF.
DOES IT IS WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, TEARING IT DOWN AND START ALL OVER.
I FALL ABOUT 10 TIMES AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE RUN INTO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF PROBLEM WITH SITUATION ALONG THAT LINE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT THE COST OF DEMOLITION IS SOMEBODY THAT SHARES DOWN BY THE COUNTY CITY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
THAT'S VERY POSITIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS FOR THE CHAIR TO SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE BEST LINE OF YOU.
AND, UH, I THINK IF, IF, UH, THEY CAN BE SOME TYPE OF CONSENSUS WHEREBY WE CAN DO SOMETHING BIGGER, BETTER, AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT WAS THERE AND THE HOT TOWEL CAN BE SUPPORTIVE.
UH, I DON'T THINK THE CHAMBER WOULD BE OPPOSED OFF AND WHATEVER IT IS TO PROMOTE THAT THAT PROPERTY IS A BAD PLACE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY CHEAPER.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET OUR MONEY OUT OF THAT PROPERTY REGARDLESS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT TO CONSIDER.
WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY AND SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK.
I THINK OUR FOLKS WOULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN ANY TYPE OF IDEAS IF WE FELT LIKE THE SUPPORT WAS THERE.
AND THERE WAS A VIDEO, UH, TO TRY TO MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN.
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BUT, YOU KNOW, IN LINE WITH WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, THAT'S A GOOD OBSERVATION OF WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING $1.4 MILLION, IF YOU HAD THAT COUPLED WITH A SMALL TOURISM TAX, MAYBE TWO OR 3 CENTS, I THINK WE COULD REALLY HAVE A FULL FLEDGED CONVENTION CENTER BECAUSE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS REALLY NOT A CONVENTION CENTER, BUT IS BASICALLY A LOST ART ROOM WITH A MEETING WITH WELL RING, A LARGE MEETING ROOM, THAT'S IT.AND, UM, AND A THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF OUR VIEW.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LARGE CONVENTION CENTER, IT WAS NEAR THE WATER AND PEOPLE COULD COME TO IT AND GO BUY ALL THEM BOATS AND JUST DO VARIOUS THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T AND RALEIGH CAN'T DO THIS.
YOU DON'T SAY WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND, UH, I WOULD THINK THAT THIS THING HERE, AND I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT.
MAYBE IF A CONVENTION CENTER IS A GOOD IDEA IN AND OF ITSELF.
AND I THINK IT IS, AND I THINK THIS ONE IS PROBABLY TOO SMALL.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE BUILDING HARASSMENT AND HIS SON SUCCESSFUL UNTIL HIS HOUR AND A HALF.
WAIT EVERY NIGHT, I'M NOT GOING BACK.
AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT I'LL EAT BD WEENIES BEFORE I'LL GO.
UH, IF WE COULD ARRANGE A MEETING, ASK SUGGESTION AND SEE IF WE COULD GET SOME CONSENSUS, WHAT THAT CONSENSUS IS, UH, MAY TURN OUT THE BEST OF ALL.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT IF WE COULD GET SOME FULL CONSENSUS WHERE WE WILL BE MOVING IN A DIRECTION TO DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL, TO HELP PROMOTE, UH, THE VITAL POTENTIAL THAT WE HAVE TOURISM AND, UH, AND FIND A APPROPRIATE WAY TO FIND ANSWERS THAT EVERYBODY WAS COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND WE'RE ALL WE'LL DO THESE DIDN'T.
I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY ONE TIME THAT THE SURROUNDING AREA WAS GOING TO IMPOSE THE ATTACKS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, GREENVILLE HAS CONNECTED AN ADDITIONAL THREE SET ROOM TAX AND ARE DISCUSSING AN ADDITIONAL 1 CENT FOOD TAX.
UH, THEY, THEY NOW HAVE A
IT'S AMAZING WHAT THESE THINGS CAN GENERATE JUST BY GETTING THEM DOWN THERE.
YOU THINK THEY GOT GRANTS TO SUBSIDIZE THEM? I CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT.
MAYBE WE NEED TO GET A COMMITTED TO GAIL TO EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF HAVING A, UH, A LARGE, UH, CIVIC CENTER TO HAVE A COMMON DATE ON OUR KNEES AND NEWBURN.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD HATE TO GO WITH THE EXISTING PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT A CIVIC CENTER FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES.
WE GOT PLACES IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THREE OR 400 PEOPLE.
MAX, STEVE, I WANT TO CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD.
I AM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF SUCH A FACILITY.
AND I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A SUPPORTER OF DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT.
THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT I PARTICIPATED IN TRADE SHOWS AT THE SHERIFF WHERE DISPLAYS WERE ALL OVER THE HALLWAY IN ROOMS AT EACH END OF THE BUILDING.
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS LONG PAST DUE.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THE HALFWAY MEASURE.
ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT AT THIS TIME, AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, IT'S THE BEST WE CAN HOPE FOR, BUT I FORESEE A SEVERE PARKING PROBLEM.
AND LIKE I'VE SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, IF WE HAD THAT EXTRA TAX, IT WOULD ENABLE US PERHAPS TO DEVELOP SOME PARKING, WHICH YOU AREN'T GOING TO HAVE TO HAND.
YOU CANNOT IGNORE THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE COMING TO COWBOY PARK.
I SUPPORT A CONVENTION FACILITY WHOLEHEARTEDLY, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT ADDING ANOTHER $75,000 OF TAX FUNDS TO RENOVATE THAT BUILDING IS WHAT WE REALLY ARE LOOKING FOR.
AND THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION THAT, UH, A DATE BE SET TO SIT DOWN AND SEE WHAT THE CITY AND THE CHAMBER TOGETHER CAN COME UP WITH BECAUSE THAT FACILITY IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY DINING BARROW.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY KITCHEN FACILITY, EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO BE CATERED AND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WHAT YOU REALLY WANT.
AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WHAT THE CITY REALLY THINKS IS NECESSARY, WHERE
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IT COULD BE BUILT.WHO KNOWS, WHO KNOWS AT THIS POINT, BUT I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE RAISING THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS AT THIS TIME WAS STOPPED THAT MEASURE.
AND IT JUST, BUT I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF SUCH A FACILITY.
WE JUST GOT TO FIND AND FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT AND THEN LOOK FOR A PLACE TO PUT IT, THEN LOOK FOR A WAY TO FUND IT.
SO YOU MAY AS WELL DO IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I THINK THE NETFLIX CIVIC CENTER IS IMMEDIATE.
YOU'RE NOT FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THIS IS A TOURISM AREA.
WE'LL JUST HAVE TO TAKE IT WHENEVER YOU WANT IT.
IF YOU'VE BEEN READING ANYTHING AT ALL THE LAST TWO MONTHS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S DOWNSIZING THAT DON'T THINK WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DOWNSIZE OR GO DOWNSIZE DOWN AN HOUR LEVEL.
AND IT'S GOING TO GET TIGHT AND I'M AFRAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS TO 24 AND 25,000 DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT WHEN WE GO INTO A BUDGET AND WE ALL GREW UP WITH 50 CENT, WHEN I WENT IN AND SUPPORTED YOUR PROGRAM TO BEGIN WITH, IT WAS BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A NEED, BUT RIGHT NOW THE NEEDS ARE CHANGING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO OUR, OUR LOCAL FUNDS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
IF WE'RE GOING TO FUND THIS THINGS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND AN ADDITIONAL WAY TO FUND IT.
SO, W IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE TALK WITH THE HOSPITALITY GROUP, POSSIBLY EVEN THE RESTAURANT OWNERS, IF THEY WANT THIS THING, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BENEFIT THE MOST WITH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP US.
ALSO ONE OTHER THING, UH, I MIGHT ADD, AND THAT'S NO DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY INVOLVED IN A PROJECT BECAUSE WE CAN SAY THAT WE AS ALDERMAN OR WHATEVER, OR INVOLVED IN IT TOO, WE'RE ALL IN THE THING TO YELL, BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE USING AN EXISTING SITUATION, LIKE YOU ARE THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN STARTING OUT WITH A CLEAN PLATE, A PIECE OF PAPER.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE ALREADY GOT A 20TH, 25% SURPRISE, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN MOVED A BRICK YET.
YOU KNOW? AND WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A, WITH A PLACE THAT YOU HAVE TO REVAMP, I WOULD THINK THAT IT POSSIBLY COULD BE SOME MORE SURPRISES ON THE STORE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING, WE KNOW AT $1.4 MILLION, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, BUT YET TO GET A PLACE THAT IS FIXED IN SIZE, WE DO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT BASICALLY GOING TO CHANGE.
IT COULD DRASTICALLY DRASTICALLY ESCALATE BEFORE WE FINISHED THIS THING.
AND THEN THE THING THAT, THAT A LOT OF FOLKS THINK IS TOO SMALL TO START WITH.
SO THAT SORT OF DAMPENS MY ENTHUSIASM A LITTLE BIT FOR IT, AGAIN, NOT FOR THE CONCEPT OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE OUGHT TO REALLY LOOK CLOSELY AT THE WHOLE SITUATION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK, WHY DO YOU VOTE? AND WE WOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THAT WOULD BE MEANINGFUL TO THE COMMUNITY WE BELIEVE, AND WE WILL LEAVE IT.
THERE'S A NICHE THERE FOR THAT SIZE CENTER.
UH, REGARDLESS, EVEN IF FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WOULD BUILD THERE SOONER.
WE STILL BELIEVE THERE'S MANY FACILITIES OF THAT SIZE.
IF YOU GO TO TRACK, THE USE OF
THERE ALSO THE WHOLE ONE TIME WE FEEL THE SITE THE YEAR, YOU PROBABLY USE THE THIRD OR TWO THIRDS OF THE WHOLE BILL, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE YOU NEED MUCH
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SPACE, THEY CAN DO STARTING OUT.BUT WE FEEL LIKE
SO I STILL BELIEVE IN A BUILDING OF THAT SIZE.
HOWEVER, WE'RE STARTING TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE.
THE REAL MOTIVATION BEHIND DOING WHATEVER NECESSARY FINANCING
WE CAN TELL YOU, REPEAT YOUR MOTION, THAT THIS BE DELAYED UNTIL THE COMMITTEE COULD BE SET UP BETWEEN THE CHAMBER, THE HOSPITALITY PROVIDERS AND MEMBERS OF THE VARIOUS BOARDS, ASK FOR THE FARMERS THAT ARE BEING ASKED, JUST THE PLATFORMS TO DISCUSS THE ALTERNATIVES.
DO WE NEED A WRONG COLUMN? THERE? WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR.
SO SAM AND I MENTIONED TO HIM, THAT MEETING WITH ME TONIGHT, THIS WAS ON YOUR AGENDA.
AND THEY FOLLOW THE DISCUSSION.
IF YOU DON'T POSTPONE IT ALL IN FAVOR OR POSTPONE AND SAY I'LL OPPOSE I, CAN YOU HEAR IT? OKAY.
NEXT THING IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND THEN WE ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I'M APPOINTING MYSELF UNDER 14.
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT MAX FREES ME UP.
PRO TEM EFFECTIVE 1201 THE NIGHT BEFORE ONE YEAR.
DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THAT? NO.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T HIM.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY APARTMENTS? THEY WANT TO MAKE THE NIGHT? WE'VE GOT SOME.
WE NEED TO MAKE, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT TO HERE.
I NEED TO MEET HER IN A LOT BETTER SHAPE.
WELL, HOW DOES ALDERMAN LEAVE? FEEL? YOU WANT IT? OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY APPOINTMENTS? I'M LOSING MY VOICE.
WE'LL GET A MISCELLANEOUS THEN START DOWN ON THE END.
WELL, I PERSONALLY
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I THINK IT WOULD TAKE ME TOO LONG TO DO A SPLENDID DRESS.UH, I HAVE ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS.
WE NEVER SCHEDULED THE ONE IN DECEMBER, BUT BILL SAID TO ME, EARLY IN JANUARY, IS THERE ANY BUSINESS AS PRESSING BEFORE JANUARY, THERE ARE SEVERAL MATTERS THAT ARE, ARE OF IMPORTANCE THAT NEED THE BOARD'S ACTION OR AT LEAST THEIR DIRECTION, UH, IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
I, AFTER TALKING WITH ALDERMAN WITH DOWSE, UH, EARLIER TODAY, UH, IF WE CAN HAVE THE MEETING, IF WE COULD DO IT EITHER THE MO THE, AS ALL OR WOMANLY HAS JUST SUGGESTED BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEARS, OR WE COULD DO IT.
UH, THE FIRST WEEK OF NEW YEAR'S NEW YEAR'S DAY.
UH, THE NEXT DAY IS A HOLIDAY.
MAYBE THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY, WE COULD DO IT THAT DAY.
THE THIRD, IF THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE WITH THE BOARD, WE CAN HOLD THOSE MATTERS OFF UNTIL THAT TIME.
I BELIEVE THAT GOING TO PUT YOU IN A BIND.
WELL, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES COMING BEFORE THE, UH, THE BOARD AT THIS WORST SESSION IS GOING TO BE, UH, UH, POLICE CAR MATTERED.
THEY NEED FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE CARS, WITH THE HIRING OF SOME ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS AND HOW WE'RE GONNA, HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND THAT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ALDERMAN WENT DOWN.
I WANTED TO BE PRESENT CAUSE HE USED TO HAVE A GREAT INTEREST IN THAT.
SO WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE PRESENTING YOU WITH A PLAN FOR ACQUIRING SOME ADDITIONAL POLICE CARS AT THAT TIME.
UH, AND SOME OTHER NEEDS, UH, REGARDING, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, AS WELL AS THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT.
UH, THINGS ABOUT THAT SUBSTATION.
WE NEED TO GET SETTLED JUST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO I THINK IF WE CAN DO IT JANUARY THE THIRD, I THINK THAT WOULDN'T BE SUFFICIENT.
WELL, ALEX SUGGESTED POLICE CHIEF.
MEANWHILE, THAT CELL, ALL THOSE BICYCLES, HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS DO WE HAVE? UH, WELL, WE HAVE, UH, 14 THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WE ALSO HAVE, WE ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL KEN THAT MAY BE COMING DOWN.
MAY I LIKE, AND WE GO AHEAD AND SET THAT DATE JANUARY 3RD, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
NO, I GUESS I ASKED HIM, LISTEN TO THAT GRANT, THAT GRANT WE GOT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
IT WASN'T THE LAWN THAT BILL CLINTON, THE PERSON THAT DELIVERED TO YOU.
SEX POLICE THAT DOESN'T GIVE MONEY FOR FOOD.
WE DIDN'T HAVE FOUR VACANT POSITIONS.
WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE TWO POSITIONS THAT THE BOARD APPROVED OR TRAFFIC DIVISION STARTING IN JANUARY AND THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, WE HAVE ANOTHER FOUR POSITIONS THAT WERE, UH, ARE GOING TO BE FUNDED BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY UNDER GRANT THAT THEY RECEIVED.
WE HAVE TWO VACANT POSITIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FIELD.
AND THEN, UH, THERE IS ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT MAY BE COMING DOWN FROM ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS.
WE ARE PURSUING SOME GRANT, UH, POSSIBILITIES FOR POLICE CARS AS WELL.
UH, AND THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, OF THAT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE PROVIDED.
AND WE HAVE, WE ARE DEVELOPING IT RIGHT NOW, A PLAN FOR, UH, THAT WE THINK THAT THE BOARD WILL PROBABLY, UH, FIND ACCEPTABLE FOR, TO OBTAIN THE CARS AND THANKS FOR THESE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS, THE MAJORITY, ANYWAY, WHATEVER THE BOARD WILL PREVIOUS.
ONE OF THEM, AND I SEE THE ARE JUMPING DOWN ON ME AND THAT IS TO COMPLIMENT THE STACK OR THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE SAVED THEM ALL.
AND THEY ARE ATTENDED BY THE HAS COME DOWN CITY VIEW AT THIS A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT, I'M IMPRESSED WITH IT.
AND I WAS THINKING THAT SINCE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THAT COMMITTEE VOLUNTEER THE TIME
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AND IT DID A TREMENDOUS JOB THAT THEY COULD BE COMPENSATED IN SOME WAY BY US TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION FOR THE CATEGORY DEDICATION.THEY SHOW THE CITIZENS IN THE CITY IN A WAY AS CITIZENS COME INTO CITY HALL AND TAKE A LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND IT LOOKS PROFESSIONALLY DONE.
LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE GONE OUT AND HIRED SOMEBODY TO DO IT.
IT'S JUST THE STAFF AND THE FACT THAT THEY GAVE THEMSELVES.
WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T ALWAYS, I DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT LORI WRITES, BUT I THOUGHT SHE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON THAT ARTICLE.
AND, UH, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IT WOULD BE, THERE WERE A LOT OF HOURS THAT WERE VOLUNTEERED BY THE EMPLOYEES TO PUT THIS IN AFTER HOURS AND ON WEEKENDS IN ORDER TO PUT TOGETHER THE, UH, CITY HALL, UH, DECORATIONS.
AND I KNOW THAT, UH, IN THE PAST WE HAVE, UH, WHEN EMPLOYEES HAVE WORKED ABOVE AND BEYOND, UH, ON SPECIAL OCCASIONS, THE BOARD HAS, UH, DONE THINGS LIKE, UH, TO PROVIDE THE MONEY FOR A MEAL FOR THAT PERSON IN THEIR FAMILY, PERHAPS TO GO OUT INTO, UH, EAT, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25, $50 BOY WOULD BE, UH, UH, APPROPRIATE.
IF THE BOARD WANTED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE EMPLOYEES DID NOT EXPECT IT.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
SO IF THE BOARD APPROVES THAT WE WOULD DO THAT.
SO THIS IS LIKE GOOD INCENTIVE, GIVE UP THEMSELVES AND SHOW THAT KIND OF PRIDE.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT UBER AROUND TALKING ABOUT US.
I NOTICED THAT COMING IN THE NIGHT, MYSELF, SAM, THE STREET ANY DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, ALL OPPOSED.
UM, ALSO IDENTIFY NEIGHBORHOODS GRIP AS A SIDE OF TAM, BROOKE.
AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I REMEMBERED THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE A SIGN AND WOODROW.
SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO TAKE
WELL, I KNOW I HAVE SEVERAL SIDES.
I THINK I HAVE SOME SEEMS TO GROW.
I DON'T HAVE A THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS, THAT THE COMPANY THAT SUPPLIES THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS FROM THE CITY OF NEWBURGH NEWS, THE STREETS IN NEWBURGH AS THE LARGEST PICTURE OF THE COVER OF THEIR BROCHURE.
SO THEY'RE PROUD OF YOU, BUT NATIONWIDE PEOPLE SEE AS CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTS AND THEY OPENED A BROCHURE FOR WHICH THE COMPANY HANDLED.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE BUSINESS.
DON WAS THE HIP, BUT THEN SHE HAD A LOT OF HELP.
CHARLES WILL KNOW ALL OF THOSE OTHERS ARE ON.
I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DISCUSS IT NOW, BUT I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS WEEK SHORTLY AFTER NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE SENDING YOU A COPY OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WE GOT FROM CHARLOTTE ON CRUISING.
THEY HAD PROBLEMS IN THEIR TOWN WITH KIDS CRUISING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND PARKS.
AND I'D LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS IT VERY SOON, BECAUSE THERE'S A PROBLEM.
I AM, I THINK ALL OF US HAD THE PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT, BUT IT IS, I HAVE A PROBLEM AND STUFF.
THIS IS CRUISING IS A BIG DIFFERENCE AND GET THEM ON THE THOROUGHFARE, GET THEM OUT OF THE BACK NEIGHBORHOODS.
WELL, CHARLOTTE, LET'S JUST SEE WHAT ACTUALLY PERTAINS TO A CITY PARK, BUT IT WILL BE INTERESTING
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TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT.JUST ELEMENT IS ASKING YOU TO READ IT AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A PROBLEM WITH OUR, WITH OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR CITIZENS.
I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS COUNSELING.
I JUST WANT TO WISH ALL THE CITIZENS IN THIS CITY, AS WELL AS THE BOARD MEMBERS IN THE MIDDLE OF AMERICA, CHRISTMAS, MR. HARTMAN, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE HAD CONDUCTED INTERVIEWS WITH NEW POLICE, CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, UH, PAST WEEK.
AND, UH, THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A ROSTER OF APPLICANTS FOR HIRING THAT ROSTER IS, HAS BEEN PROVIDED AT YOUR PLACE IF YOU'VE NOT SEEN IT.
UH, AND, UH, WE WOULD, UH, ASK THAT THE BOARD, UH, TAKE ACTION TONIGHT TO APPROVE THAT ROSTER SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN HIRING SECOND.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO COME IN FOR THE BOARD'S ATTENTION TONIGHT IS, UH, ALDERMAN RAINER HAD BROUGHT UP, UH, EARLIER IN THE YEAR, THE IDEA OF ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT EARLY IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OUR BUDGET.
NOW WE HAVE PREPARED A, A BROCHURE THAT WE WILL SEND OUT WITH ELECTRIC BILLS FOR THE CITY RESIDENTS TO TAKE A LOOK AT SHOWS.
IT'S A CHART OF WHAT CITY EXPENDITURES ARE FOR THE VARIOUS FUNCTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
AND IT'S A LITTLE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY COULD SEND BACK.
IT ALSO PROVIDES THAT A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD THE SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, UH, TO RECEIVE CITIZEN INPUT ON THAT MATTER AT YOUR SECOND REGULAR MEETING NEXT MONTH, IN ORDER TO GET THAT OUT TIMELY, WE NEED TO KNOW IF YOU STILL WANT TO PURSUE THAT.
AND WE NEED TO GO AHEAD FROM YOU TO DO SOMETHING.
YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO DO WE NEED A MOTION JUST NOW, IF, AS LONG AS YOU SAY DO IT, AND THEN WE'VE GOT
I NEED TO PASS IT ON TO THOSE.
I WOULD HOPE THAT ON THAT SECOND MEETING IN JANUARY, IT'S NOT TOO, NOT TOO MANY OTHER ITEMS ON IT.
CAUSE IF THE PUBLIC COMES OUT FOR BUDGET RECOMMENDATION, MAYBE ALONG THAT, WELL, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE WON'T TALK ABOUT.
MAYBE I'LL TALK WITH THE MAYOR.
WE MAY WANT TO JUST SET A SEPARATE NIGHT OR HEARING ALONG THE LIGHT LATER PART OF JANUARY, WE JUST NEED TO START SENDING OUT THOSE NOTICES IN THE BILL NOW SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE A MONTH OR SO THAT I THINK LIKE MAYOR HAD YOU ALREADY DECIDED WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER TOWN MEETING THAT COULD MIGHT WORK IN TO WHERE WE HAVE 10 MEANS.
THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF ATTENDANTS AND WE CAN PUT ALL THAT STUFF ON THERE.
WE CAN ALWAYS TABLE SOMETHING UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.
WE NEED AT LEAST ONE 12 OR ONE O'CLOCK MEETING.
I KNOW TIMES MOST WITH GERMS ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
UH, SO WE GO AND EAT SOME BEANIE.