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IS REVEREND LARRY GORDON HERE? YES, HE IS HERE.

HE DOES AME ZION CHURCH OPEN UP, LET US ALL KNOW.

AND FRED TURNER, GOD, OUR FATHER LORD, BEFORE WE MAKE ANY PETITION OR REQUEST, WE FEEL THE NEED THE LORD, GOD, TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR MERCY SHOWN THIS GREAT CITY OF NEW BERN.

YOU'VE BEEN IN DELOITTE, THE DESTRUCTION OF MUCH POP TO YOU.

I'M GLAD YOU HAD THE MERCY TO SPARE THE LIVES OF THE INDIVIDUALS OF THIS CITY.

WE THINK YOU GOD, THE LORD BLESSING US AND KEEPING US IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND.

LORD, WE ASK GOD THAT THAT WOULD COME INTO THE MIDST OF US HERE THIS EVENING.

AS WE HAVE CONCERNS AND BLESS EACH AND EVERY MIND, LORD THAT COME WITH THE CONCERNS OF THE CITY AT HAND.

AND THEN LORD, AS WE BEGIN IN THE NEW YEAR, WE ASKED GOD TO BLESS THE CITY OFFICIALS.

IT WAS IN WHO AND HOW I THOUGHT HE, THE LORD WAS DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB, UNLOADING THEIR GUIDANCE, BUT WE ASKED GOD FOR YOUR CONTINUOUS BLESSING UPON OUR MIA AND OUR, ALL THE PERSONS, THE LORD, AND GIVING THEM GREATER WISDOM, GET A UNDERSTANDING PATIENTS, THE LORD AND PERSEVERANCE TO GUIDE THIS CITY AND THE LORD TO HIGHER HEIGHTS AND DEEPER DEPTHS, FATHER, GOD THAT YOU GOT US THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO BE SO CAREFUL TO GLORIFY YOUR NAME AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND PRAISE ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE THAT YOU SHALL DO IN JESUS NAME.

WE PRAY.

AMEN.

AMEN.

UM, WELL, BEFORE YOU CALL A ROLL, I LIKE TO SAY A FEW THINGS THAT, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD SOME THINGS HAPPEN TO THE CITY SINCE THE LAST MEETING NAME OF THAT TERRIBLE STORM.

AND I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, THE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK A WHILE TO GET THEIR POWER BACK ON THAT IT, UH, THE CITY WORKERS WORK EXTREMELY HARD AND WE'RE VERY DILIGENT.

AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING TO WATCH IS WE DON'T HAVE JUST A POWER COMPANY, BUT WE HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND ALL OF THEM MUST BE PULLING IN THE SAME DIRECTION OR THINGS WON'T WORK.

AND THEY REALLY DID PULL TOGETHER VERY WELL.

I WAS VERY PROUD OF THEM AND, UH, IT DIDN'T TAKE ANY EFFORT ON MY PART OF AN OBSERVATION, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, FROM THE PHONE CALL AT BAIL GAVE ME AT ONE SOMETHING THE NIGHT THAT IT HIT AND, UH, HE HAD TO HEAD OUT INTO IT.

AND, UH, I WAS LUCKY TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DUCK WITH MY FAMILY.

SO, WELL, I THINK EVERYBODY DID A REAL GOOD JOB AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND YOU FOR IT.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, IF YOU'LL CALL THE ROAD AND I'LL SEE IF I'M HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, OKAY.

PAT MCCLANAHAN SENT A LITTLE LETTER.

I'D LIKE IT.

SHE ASKED IT IF WE WANT ME TO, TO READ IT.

UH, AS YOU KNOW, PAT USED TO BE AN ALDERMAN OR OLDER PERSON OR WHATEVER.

AND, UH, SHE IS THE MANAGER OF THE RED CROSS FOR THE COASTAL CAROLINA CHAPMAN.

ANYWAY, SHE SAID, PLEASE EXTEND MY APPRECIATION FOR THE MANY CITY EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE WORKED SO MANY LONG HOURS TO RESTORE A SERVICES TO OUR CITY.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. HARTMAN FOR ALLOWING RED CROSS TO OCCUPY AN OFFICE AND THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND FOR USING THE WEST NEWBURN RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR A SHELTER.

I KNOW THE CITIZENS WHO WERE WITHOUT SERVICES FOR THREE DAYS FELT LIKE IT WAS FOREVER, BUT ONE, I ONLY HAD TO OBSERVE OUR PEOPLE WORKING IN THERE.

EVERYTHING POSSIBLE WAS BEING DONE.

NO LIFE WAS LOST AND NO NOT SERIOUS.

ANDREW IS FOR THIS.

WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE A CITY WITH SO MANY DEDICATED EMPLOYEES IS ALWAYS A BLESSING.

SO WE THANK PAT FOR THAT.

AND HER OBSERVATIONS WERE CERTAINLY RIGHT ON THE MONEY.

FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE REQUEST AND PETITIONS OF CITIZENS.

AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FELLOWS SIGNED UP, SO WE'LL TAKE THEM FIRST.

FIRST ONE IS MR. BEN WATFORD.

CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN AND PUT IN YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? UH, BEN SHIPYARD POINT NEWBURN, UH, MR. UH, MR. MAYOR, WHAT OLIVER, I'M A COMMISSION OF WHAT THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION FOR THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA CRAVEN COUNTY HAS TWO SUCH COMMISSIONS, BISHOP JOHNSON AND COURT BOND WERE APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR MARTIN.

I WAS APPOINTED BY AS TO THE COMMISSION BY W JIM HOT.

MOST OF THE 100 COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA HAVE ACTIVE HUMAN RELATIONS.

COMMISSIONS MINUTE, THE LARGEST SAID IS IN SOME OF THE MORE WEALTHY COUNTIES HAVE PAID STAFF, I'M HERE TONIGHT

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TO ASK THE WATERFALL TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE IN REACTIVATING THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION.

IN OUR ERA, I REALIZED THAT YOU STAYED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WHEN THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES CAME DOWN, IF YOU WOULD RATHER HANDLE THE PROBLEMS YOURSELF, UH, I ESTIMATE TO YOU MR. MIA, THAT BECAUSE OF YOUR EXALTED POSITION, THOSE WHO NEED THE SERVICES OF THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION ARE NOT GOING TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL YOU A CONCERN, THEIR PROBLEMS. THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT A CALL WHEN PROBLEMS ARISE, MR. HERBERT DAWSON CHAPMAN, AND THE CRAVEN COUNTY BODAS LEG, MR. JOHN SAMSON, PRESIDENT OF THE CURRENT CONCERNED CITIZENS.

AND I'M ALSO CALLED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, MR. RAYNA STATED THAT THERE WERE A FEW PROBLEMS IN CRAVEN COUNTY BECAUSE HE NEVER RECEIVES CALLS.

NOW, MR. RAYMOND IS AN ATTORNEY.

MOST OF THE POOR REALIZED THAT WHEN YOU CALL AN ATTORNEY, THE FPS IN LAW, WHEN I CALL MY ATTORNEY AND TALK, WHAT HAPPENED ON WHEN HE COST ME TO APPROXIMATELY $35, HENCE THERE IS A PROBLEM IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE VERY POOR RELUCTANT TO CALL AN ATTORNEY, ANY OF THEM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES AS ALDERMAN BRIEFS, UH, MAX FREEZE REALIZES AND KNOWS THAT I AM A CRISIS LINE VOLUNTEER FOR THE COUNCIL.

MORE THAN WOMEN.

I HAVE BEEN A CRISIS LINE VOLUNTEER FOR FOUR YEARS.

I IN THE CRISIS LINE FOUR TIMES PER MONTH, USUALLY FROM 7:00 PM ON SUNDAY UNTIL 7:00 AM.

WHEN MONDAY MORNING I RECEIVED MANY CALLS THAT COULD BE HANDLED BY THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION IN OUR AREA, HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION IN OUR AREA.

THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MANY AGENTS THAT WE WHO MAN, THE CRISIS LINE WOULD BE ABLE TO REFER HOLDS TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE PRICES LINE WAS SO THAT BETTER WIVES AND OTHERS COULD CALL FOR ASSISTANCE.

HOWEVER, WE GET CALLS FROM INDIVIDUALS IN CRAVEN COUNTY, CALMNESS ROUNDED AREAS OF HAVING AN ASSORTMENT OF PROBLEMS I RECEIVED DURING THE PAST YEAR.

THE FOLLOWING COLES THAT COULD BE HANDLED BY HUMAN RELATIONS GROUP.

REMEMBER THAT I AM JUST ONE VOLUNTEER FOR THE CRISIS LINE FOUR TIMES A MONTH.

THE CRISIS LINE IS IN SERVICE 24 HOURS A DAY.

EACH MONTH I RECEIVED A CALL.

I WAS ON THE CRISIS LINE ONE SUNDAY NIGHT, AND I RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE CRAVE CRAVE FROM SOMEONE AT THE CRAVEN REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER.

THE MAN AND HIS WIFE WERE BEING PUT OUT AT THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE HE COULDN'T PAY US FEEDS.

HE'D HAD AN OPERATION.

THEY HAD NO PLACE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL, WAS GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE STREETS THAT MONDAY MORNING, I FINALLY, THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.

THEY COULDN'T GO TO THE HOMELESS SHELTER BECAUSE WE TAKE ONLY BATTERED WIVES, BUT, UH, THE HOMELESS SHELTER, BECAUSE HE HAD AN OPEN WOUND.

HE COULDN'T GO TO THE COAST OF WOMEN'S SHELTER BECAUSE CAN YOU TAKE ALL OF THAT? YOUR WIVES THERE? I GOT ABOUT ONE POCKET.

I PUT THEM UP IN THE MOTEL FOR FOUR DAYS UNTIL WE CAN FIND A PLACE FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO STAY.

THERE WERE THE PLUGS THEY FUCKED WITH FINALLY RESOLVED THE ISSUE AND FOUND A PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY.

UH, I GOT A CALL ABOUT A MONTH AGO FROM A WOMAN WHO WAS FIRED FROM HER JOB AFTER 15 YEARS WITH NO RECOURSE AND NO PLACE TO TURN AND HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION COULD LOOK INTO THIS, ASSESS THE SITUATION AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I RECEIVED THREE CALLS FROM PARENTS IN THE CRAVEN COUNTY SCHOOLS DURING THE EARLY PART OF LAST YEAR, THE CALLS RELATED TO THE FACT THAT THEIR CHILDREN WERE DENIED CERTAIN CLASSES.

THE CLASSES AT A COLLEGE PREPARATORY CLASSES WERE OFFERED AFTER THEY LEFT SCHOOL.

WHEN THEY TALK TO THE PRINCIPAL ABOUT THIS, HE INFORMED THEM THAT THEY COULD TAKE THE CLASSES, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THE OWN PRINCIPAL STATION.

THAT'S CLEARLY A VIOLATION OF STATE LAW.

WE, UH, MR. DAWSON, I MET WITH MRS. SNEAKY, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS.

WE RESOLVED THE ISSUE AND WENT SMOOTHLY.

AND THIS YEAR WE DON'T HAVE THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM.

UH, THERE WAS ONE OTHER CASE THAT I RECEIVE AN INDIVIDUAL WAS FIRED FROM HIS JOB, A BOSCH TOOL, AND WAS UNABLE TO COLLECT UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION.

I HIRED A LAWYER BECAUSE MY $145.

AND DURING THE TIME THAT WE WAIT FOR THE TRIAL TO COME UP, UH, HE WAS IN A PLACE IN INCARCERATED BECAUSE HE HAD WRITTEN A BAD CHECK.

I BAILED HIM OUT OF JAIL FOR EIGHT TO $5.

WHEN THE CASE CAME UP, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL.

WE MANAGED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE GOT HIS UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION, NEEDLESS TO SAY, HE DID NOT PAY ME FOR THE LAWYER OFF OF BAIL HIM OUT OF JAIL, BUT I DIDN'T EXPECT IT BECAUSE I WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE BEFORE I'VE BEEN THERE.

MYSELF, NOT ALL CASES ARE CLEAR VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS IS THEY APPEAL IN FRONT OF THE SURFACE.

EACH CASE HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THE FACTS.

BOTH MR. DAWSON AND I RECEIVED THE CALL FROM A BLACK COACH IN NEWBURN HOSPITAL THAT WAS FIRED FROM HIS JOB THIS YEAR WE INVESTIGATED,

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HE TOLD US ALL SORTS OF RACIAL REASONS WHY HE WAS FIRED.

THAT SORT OF THING.

ONCE WE INVESTIGATED, FOUND THAT THE BOARD HAD GIVEN HIM FIVE YEARS TO COMPLETE HIS EDUCATIONAL POLICY AND HE DIDN'T REFUSE TO DO IT.

AND THEY WERE RIGHT IN MIND.

AND WE EXPLAINED THIS TO THE PRINCIPAL OF THE SCHOOL WAS AMENABLE.

SHE WAS VERY NICE.

AND IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF SITTING DOWN AND TALKING WITH HER AND GETTING THE EFFECTS.

THERE ARE OTHER CONCERNS THAT FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF HUMAN RELATIONS IN CRAVEN COUNTY, NEWBURN IN PARTICULAR, THERE ARE MANY PUBLIC BUILDINGS, HANDICAPPED CITIZENS IN SPACE DO NOT HAVE ACCESS.

THEN I FEEL THAT SOMEHOW WE INVITE COLLATION OF STATE AND FEDERAL LAW CONCERNING THIS.

YOU KNOW, I WONDER HOW A PERSON ON A WHEELCHAIR WITH A 10, ONE OF THESE BOARDS.

I STILL SUSPECT THAT WE ARE IN VIOLATION OF SOME TYPE OF BOLUS HERE WHEN THERE'S NO ACCESS, THERE'S NO ELEVATOR.

YOU CAN'T GET A WHEELCHAIR, BUT THE STATS OF THAT STAIRWAY, I'M MAKING THIS REQUEST.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION OF CRAVEN COUNTY MAY REACT AND THAT THE CHARTER FOR THE GROUP REQUIRED DO THEY MEET ON A MONTHLY BASIS? IT WOULD BE ANOTHER AGENCY THAT WE WHO MANNED THE PRICES.

WELL, THE COUNCIL WOMEN WOULD BE ABLE TO REFER, UH, CALLS WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE PARTICULAR PROBLEMS. THANK YOU, MR. MANOJ.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

IF YOU WOULD, AS A COMMISSIONER FOR THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER OUR REPLACE MEN IN MINUTES THAT IT'S ACROSS THE STATE, PRACTICALLY 80%, 100 CALORIES.

OF COURSE THEY STATED HAVE FAMILY RELATIONS COMMISSION.

MOST OF THE LARGE CITIES LIKE CHARLOTTE RALEIGH AND DURHAM HAVE PAID STAFF TO HANDLE PROBLEMS. SO THAT TIME, AND I, I THINK THAT, UH, WHEN I, WHEN I GO TO HEADLOCK, THEY TELL ME THAT EVERYTHING HAPPENS IN NEWBURGH.

SO I'M COMING TO DUKE BURNER AND ASKING YOU IF WE WOULD SIMPLY TAKE THE INITIATIVE AND REACTIVATE, WELL DON'T, WE HAVE ONE IT'S JUST BEEN DORMANT.

IT HASN'T, IT HASN'T BEEN ACTIVE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, THE MEET A NEW CHAT PERSON AND THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION REQUIRED TO MEET ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

I THINK THAT WOULD TO FORM, TO FORM A COMMITTEE OF THE SAKE OF FORMULA COMMITTEE WOULD BE OF NO VALUE.

IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE STATE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION.

IF WE WERE THERE DOING NOTHING AND NOT ME NOT TRYING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS AND UNEMPLOYMENT HOUSING, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, PROBLEMS, THAT SORT OF THING, WE WOULD BE OF NO VALUE IF WE DIDN'T MEET AND DISCUSS THOSE THINGS AND LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION IN, IN THIS TIME.

UH, MR. MAY, AGAIN, I'M ASKING YOU IF THIS BOARD IS SIMPLY TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO REACTIVATE THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION AND MANDATED THAT THEY MEET ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO SOLVE, TO DISCUSS THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE, UH, TO DISCUSS THE NATURE OF OUR CRISIS.

THEY CAN BE A PART OF A VOLUNTEER WORK WITH ABOUT THEY CAN HELP SOLVE OTHER PROBLEMS. SURELY THE PROBLEM WITH, UH, IN THE BUILDINGS, PUBLIC BUILDINGS IS ONE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE TO ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU, MS. SMITH.

OKAY.

YOU MIGHT LIKE IT BY MAX YOU'RE ON LAYER AT THE, I BELIEVE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AT BUDGET TIME, THE ONLY REASON WE REMOVED THE HUMAN RELATIONS GROUP FROM THE BUDGET OF THIS IS BECAUSE NOBODY COULD CALL IT A MEETING FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

THEY JUST HAD NOT MET.

AND IT WAS OUR STATEMENT AT THAT TIME, THAT KEY, IF THEY BECAME ACTIVE, THERE WAS AN INTEREST THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY PUT THEM BACK IN THE BUDGET.

UH, BUT WASN'T THERE A CONVERSATION RECENTLY ABOUT ESTABLISH A LITTLE BIT COUNTYWIDE HERE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, MAX, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO A YOUNG LADY WHO JUST MOVED INTO THE AREA, SHE'S A LAWYER AND A, I THINK SHE WOULD MAKE A FINE CHAIRMAN, BUT SHE WAS TRYING TO, UH, CHECK WITH HER BOSS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR HER TO SERVE.

BUT THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION, THEY HAVE A BROAD INVESTIGATORY POWERS.

AND, UH, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION I HAVE TO ADDRESS ARE NOT, ARE EXCLUSIVE TO NEWBURN.

AND IT WAS MY THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE FORMED ON A COUNTY LEVEL BECAUSE OF THE CITY IS OVER.

UH, TO ME, I THINK YOU NEED A PAY STAFF.

AND IN THE NEW ACCOUNT, THEY HAD SOMEONE AS A HUMAN RELATIONS OFFICER AND THE CURRENT SHERIFF OF THIS COMMISSION HERE IN NEWBERN ADVISED ME THAT SHE DID NOT HAVE THE, TO MAKE THIS COMMISSION EFFECTIVE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PERSON IS WORKS, HAS A FULL TIME JOB.

AND THE CATTLE PROBLEM THAT

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YOU BROUGHT UP TODAY TAKES TIME TO SOLVE.

YOU HAVE TO SPEND TIME DIGGING.

YOU HAVE TO SPEND TIME MEETING WITH PEOPLE WHO, UH, ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

AND TO ME, YOU NEED SOMEONE TO DO THIS ON A FULL-TIME BASIS.

HOWEVER, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S FAIR TO PUT THE BURDEN ON THE CITY TO KNOW TO FUND THIS, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE PROBLEMS THAT HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSIONER ADDRESS ARE NOT PROBLEMS THAT ARE ONLY IN NEWBURN, BUT IT'S ALL OVER THE COUNTY, BUT WE DO NEED A, TO REACTIVATE THE COMMISSION.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS WITH THE COUNTY.

WHEN WE MEET WITH THEM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY, AND THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE ISSUE THAT WE WILL DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

IT.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS, UH, THE ACCESS BY HANDICAP.

WE WERE GIVEN A REPORT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

I DON'T HAVE MY COPY HERE OF WHAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS, AND IT AMOUNTS TO A VERY LARGE SUM OF MONEY, BUT THERE IS ANY EFFECT UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN.

FROM WHAT I READ IN THAT REPORT, THERE IS A TIMETABLE IN PLACE FOR MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS AND IT, UH, IT TOOK CITY FACILITIES BUILDING BY BUILDING, BY BUILDING DOORWAYS, SINK HEIGHTS, BATHROOM FACILITIES, RAMPS, EVERYTHING, AND EVERY BUILDING THAT THE CITY OWNS AND IT WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL.

AND AS YOU COULD PROBABLY GET A COPY OF THAT FROM THE CITY MANAGER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JUST GO OVER IT FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AND TO SEE WHAT THE SITUATION REALLY IS, THE MAJOR THING FROM WHAT YOU MENTIONED IS GOING TO BE AN ELEVATOR OR CITY HALL, BECAUSE THAT IS THAT'S, THAT'S A RASCAL.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO JUST TACKLE A LITTLE SQUARE TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING JUST ISN'T DESIGNED TO TAKE THAT.

SO IT'S A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT, BUT THOSE MORE, THOSE OTHER NAGGING EVERYDAY PROBLEMS LIKE THE WIDTH OF DOORWAYS AND THAT SORT OF THING HAVE BEEN GONE INTO IN DETAIL.

AND THERE IS A REPORT AVAILABLE, WHICH OUTLINES THE TIMETABLE AND THE COST OF ALL THOSE MODIFICATIONS.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT, AND YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT, AND IT'S GOING TO COST SOME BUCKS, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A COPY OF THAT REPORT.

I'M SURE IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO OVER IT, UH, SPEAKING CONCUR MOST DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY DO NEED A HUMAN RELATIONS KIND OF, I DON'T SEE IT BEING SUCH A MAJOR TASK TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR, STAND UP FOR THE VOTE FOR, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A COMMISSION IN PLACE.

AND THERE'S ONE LADY, RIGHT? POINT TO THE COMMISSION WHO IS VERY INTERESTED IN IT.

THIS HAS BEEN SERVING SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE GROUP.

AND HE CALLED IN OUR WORK SESSION.

WHEN WE WOULD TALK WITH THE LADY FROM THE STATE THAT WE WERE, WE DIRECTED SOMEONE, DID WE CONTACT THE COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO WERE SERVING NOW? SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BE JUVENATE.

I THOUGHT WE HAD AGREED THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN BEING JUVENATE AND THE COUNTY TO SEE.

AND WHAT WE COULD DO IS EXPAND WITHOUT FALL OFF AWFULNESS, JUST DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET IT GOING.

EVEN IF WE JUST BROUGHT TOGETHER, THOSE OF THEM WHO WERE INTERESTED IN CIRCLE ARE NOW SERVING.

RATHER THEY TAKE THE FOOD AND THEN WE HIT, WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, BUT HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH THOSE THAT WERE INTERESTED IN.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE NEED AND ASSESS WHAT KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO DO.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO DO.

WE CAN JUST DIRECT THEM TO CALL AND MAKE THEM GENTLY AND LET THEM DISCUSS AND SAY, I WANT TO MAKE THIS CHAIRMAN.

IF THE CHAIRMAN NOW SAYS, CAN YOU SAY, SHE SAID SHE WAS TEACHING.

SHE SAYS, SHE, SHE WANTED TO SERVE ON THE COMMISSION, BUT SHE DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE THAT'S THE THING.

AND WE'LL LET HIM APPOINT SOMEBODY WHO REALLY WANTS TO RAMROD THE THING AND THEY CAN GO ON WITH IT.

SO IT MAYBE BE, WE ALL PROBABLY WILL GET SOMEBODY TO CALL THEM.

MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS BEFORE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY MEET TOGETHER? WELL, THE COMMISSION THAT SIREN NOW COMMITTEE, RATHER THAN HASN'T MET IN SO LONG, ISN'T THAT JUST A CITY WHEN IT ISN'T NO ONE DOES.

HE, THAT'S WHERE I SEE.

THAT'S WHY I SAID, WE NEED TO BRING THIS TO THE COUNTER BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, IN MY OPINION, IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A FUNDED POSITION WHERE THEY HAVE SOMEONE WORKING, WHO ACTUALLY DIRECTS THE MEMBERS WHO CALLED THE MEMBERS TOGETHER, WHO HELPED GET SOME OF THE INVESTIGATORY INFORMATION TOGETHER.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WORKING, IF YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF MEANINGFUL EMPLOYMENT, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO INVESTIGATE MATTERS BETWEEN NINE AND FIVE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WORK YOURSELF.

I DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO START SOMEPLACE IN THAT MAYBE

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WE SHOULD JUST ARBITRARILY SAY, THIS IS WHAT'S NEEDED.

IF WE PULLED A GROUP TOGETHER AND ALLOW THEM TO BOOK THEMSELVES.

AND IF WE'D LIKE TO BE A PART OF, TO DISCUSS HOW TO GO FROM THERE, MAYBE THE LADY FROM THE STATE COULD COME AND MEET WITH THE GROUP WITH THEMSELVES AND SUGGEST TO THEM WHAT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE.

AND THEN IF IT LEADS OF COURSE, TO THE NEED FOR FUNDING, THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO REQUEST IT.

I CAN ALSO TELL US WHY IT DIED OUT.

I TELL YOU WHAT I TELL YOU.

I PROMISE YOU, I WILL TALK TO THIS WOMAN.

HER NAME IS IRENE FINNEY.

SHE'S AN ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND SHE'S FROM CHAPEL HILL.

AND SHE HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST.

AND I WANT TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT SHE WAS SERVED AS THE CHAIRMAN.

SHE'S VERY ENTHUSIASTIC.

AND THE ONES YOU LET THE GROUP TUESDAY A CHAIR IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

WELL, W WELL, IT, YOU STILL NEED SOMEONE TO SPEARHEAD IT TO, WELL, WHY DON'T WE HAVE A MEETING OF THE GROUP THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF NEW BERN.

AND OF COURSE, I'M SURE THE LADY MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, COULD BE INVITED.

AND THEN FROM THAT, THE GROUP CAN DECIDE WHO THEY WANT TO BE CHAIRMAN AND HOW THEY WANT TO DIRECT THEMSELVES AND ESTABLISH THEIR OBJECTIVES AND TO MOVE ON.

AND WE WON'T JUST DO NOT JUST SITTING HERE TRYING TO FLUSH IT FOR THEM.

IF WE, IF THOSE OF US WHO HAVE APPOINTEES, BUT THERE ARE OTHER APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO FILL THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE CAN JUST WRITE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BOARD, THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED TO THEM THAT THERE'S SNOW, AND WE CAN REVEAL THE POSITIONS AND GET THEM GROUPED TOGETHER.

AND THEN AT THE GROUP, LET THE GROUP DECIDE WHAT THE DIRECTIONS WOULD BE BASED FROM THE ASSISTANCE OF THE LADY THAT CAME AND TALKED WITH US.

WELL, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ALDERMAN APPOINTED THE CHIMP, BUT I MIGHT BE WRONG.

IT'S ALL IN THE BYLAWS, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO, BUT REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S DONE, I THINK WE ALL WANT TO HAVE THE, UH, COMMISSION ACTIVATED.

AND, UM, WHAT CAN WE DIRECT OUR STAFF THEN TO JUST SEND OUT LETTER? SO WE WON'T HAVE A HUMAN RELATIONS MEETING.

WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE THE DIRECTOR, OUR STAFF, AND THE DEPARTMENT, OR THE CITY MANAGER, WHOEVER WANTS TO, TO CALL THEM TOGETHER, WHOEVER USUALLY CALLS THEM, CALL THEM TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN MEET THESE, HAVE AN INITIAL MEETING AND SEE WHAT THE FEELING IS.

I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION SO WE CAN DO THAT.

GO AHEAD.

JOHN SAMSON, 10 38 NORTH STREET CONCERN SYSTEM, NEW BRIAN AND PAYMENT CON.

NOW WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T MET IN ABOUT SEVEN YEARS WHEN WE BEGIN TO HAVE PROBLEMS. FIRST OF ALL, WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T GET IN THE FUNDS FROM THE COUNTY TO GET IN FROM THE CITY.

YOU TRY TO IRRITATE ME THAT THE KNEW OF THE CHILD ATTAINS WITH ONE, BUT EVERYBODY, SAME THE BUS.

AND SO WE COULDN'T GET IT OPERATIONAL COSTS AND THE, THAT, OR WHICH WAS FOR IN TIME, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, SHE DID HAVE A FULL-TIME JOB, NEVER SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN THE SKIRT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THEY FELT LIKE IT WASN'T NEEDED IN THE MODUS, BUT IT SEEMED TO US BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE IN A THING THAT WERE BAD HAPPENING NOW, THE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME.

SO SEEING THAT DRAMA OFF, AND WHEN WE MET WITH THE BOARD ONCE OR TWICE, WE MET IN A PLANNING SESSION THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET SOMETHING GONE, NEVER GOT THAT DAY, GONE THIS SAME TO HAVE THAT DOWN.

BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT REAL BIT, IT SHOULD BE REACTIVATED.

AND, UM, UH, DID GO ON THE COUNTY MEETING IN THE COUNTY, SAME, SAME ACT.

LIKE THEY WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY NOW.

AND THEN I FEEL LIKE THE KIND OF, YOU NEED TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON THE CITY REP REPRIMAND BECAUSE WE DO PAY TAXES.

THE ALSO, AND I'M SO GLAD THAT REALLY GREAT WITH THEM.

SO THEY CAN THE PHRASE, SOME EXPENSES THAT REOCCUR IN THE CITY ALSO, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT REAL, REAL TIGHT THE TAPE, BECAUSE I LISTENED TO IT, SOMETHING TO CONDUCT FISH TALKING UP THERE, AND SAME SEEMED LIKE THEY DIDN'T WANT THE CHURCH TO BE PAYING A LOT OF TAXES IN THE CITY, BUT THEY ONLY WANT TO GIVE MONEY TO THE OUTLINE AREAS.

AND I FEEL LIKE IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AND IT'S TIME.

AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THEM WAS SAYING THAT $400,000 WENT DOWN THE DRAIN BETWEEN COUNTY TO SEE IT OR FILING A SUIT OR SOMETHING WE WANTED TO KNOW.

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AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN MORE THAN DOUBLE JEOPARDY WITHOUT PAY CITY TAX.

AND THEN CONTACT RICH THAT WE COULD REACTIVATE THIS COMMISSION AND THAT PEOPLE WOULD GET TO WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE WHAT AFFECTS THAT CITY, IT AFFECTS THE COUNTY WOULD LOOK LIKE THE CONDUCT, BUT NOT ALL THE MONEY.

THEY SAY THE PUTTING OUT ALL THE MONEY, BUT THE COUNTY IS NOT EVEN THINKING.

I KNOW MOST OF THE KIND OF CONDITION IS I LISTENED TO THEM ON THE BOARD.

IT FELT LIKE IT WASN'T THAT CITIZEN OF THEIR WRONG SET UP NEW ROOM, ONLY ONE KIND OF COMMISSION THAT WAS GERALD PAUL.

HE WAS SAYING, BUT THIS IS MINE.

THIS THAT I SERVE.

AND I FEEL LIKE I'M SUPPOSED TO GET SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE TO COME OUT ALSO, BUT THEY, THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAY.

SO, BUT THEY ALL SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT.

IT FELT LIKE THEY WERE BEING FRIENDED ON THE CITY, THAT HE WILL BE AFRAID KNOWING THE SIDNEY GO ABOUT THE SEALS AND THE CITIES.

BUT I KNOW BEING A BEAT ON THE BOARD, BEING ALL THE TIME THAT THE CITY WANTS TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY SO THEY COULD GET THE PHRASE, SOMETHING EXPENSIVE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SAID.

BUT, UH, BUT I GUESS LIKE ONE MORE THING I LIKE TO SAY ON THAT, THAT'S OUR ROLE PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT MATT WAS SAYING ABOUT WHAT A FIVE JOBS THE CITY HAD DONE IN HIS CRACK HEAD OVER THE WEEKEND.

I SAW THE CITY WORKING TOGETHER.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING HAPPENED IN NEW BROAD.

THAT HAPPENED ON PRIVATE NIGHT.

I'VE BEEN IN NUCLEAR QUALITY WHILE THIS WAS THE WORST TIME I SAW AT SUCH A, AT SUCH A TIME THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WARNING WHATSOEVER.

ABOUT THREE HOURS OVER FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE STORM HIT THEIR NUMBER ONE.

I MAGNET NEWS NEWSCAST ABOUT A ROW MELBOURNE CLOCK.

WE GOT A LITTLE BIT, BUT RIGHT UP THERE THAT LOOKED LIKE EVERYTHING BROKEN INTO FOR THE CITY IN A REAL CINEMATIC.

I LEFT THE COMMEND.

YOU AND YOU'LL STAY UP A MAGNIFICENT JOB.

HE WAS STILL DOING THE MAGNETS.

I THINK THE WHOLE STEP, IF YOU'RE COMMITTED TO WORK TOGETHER, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOT TO BE FOR THE CONDUCT SYDNEY TO WORK TOGETHER SO HE CAN GET SOMETHING AND THAT'D BE WORKING TOGETHER THAT WE CAN MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.

YOU CAN MAKE THINGS BECAUSE THE BOARD HAS DONE A FINE JOB BECAUSE WELL, HOW IN THE CITY RESPECTS ON THE CORRIDOR? ALSO, ONE THING APPRECIATE IT.

AND WE ALL ARE MAKING AN EFFORT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME REAL GOOD THINGS DONE IN THE FUTURE.

NEXT INDIVIDUAL ON HERE IS MR. HERBERT DAWSON.

WHO'S COME TO SPEAK ALL OF A SUDDEN GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS WINDOWS 10 17 CURRENT DRIVE, NUMEROUS KNOCK ON THE PRO LINDA CRAVER COUNTER VOTED.

THEY TRIED TO HELP PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND THE CITIES IN THE COUNTY.

WHAT I'M COMING FOR YOU TONIGHT, MR. MANN IS ACTUALLY JUST HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE FOR THE CITY TO DECIDE THAT WE NEEDED TO SWIMMING ONE IN WEST DEARBORN AND ONE OH ONE STANDARD WAY.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS THING 10 DAYS SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK AT HOME AND I STILL TALK ABOUT, BUT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANYTHING DONE ABOUT IT.

THE ONLY THING THAT I HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO RECEIVE, IT COSTS TOO MUCH.

WELL, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT, WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S ABOUT A PANEL.

IT COST THEM THAT, BUT IF THE ONE THAT WE WANT TO SWIM IT MOODLE, YOU GOT TO MAKE SOME ARRANGEMENTS, PUT IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LOOK, LOOK AT ONE YEARS, BUT LOOKING AT IT, IT AIN'T NO THAT OUT.

IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO.

SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

GOOD TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT WILL PAY FOR ITSELF.

ONCE YOU GET GOING ON, WE'LL ALSO GIVE SOME EMPOWERMENT TO SELL IT.

YEAH, THAT CAN BE DONE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP TO, TO CITY CHILDREN.

DON'T HAVE NO TO GO DURING THE SUMMER, BUT BE AROUND OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT BE BECAUSE THE PANTS ARE TRYING TO WORK.

PARENTS COME HOME TIRED AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING.

AND IN SOME WAY WE GOT TO FIND A WAY IS TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE CHILDREN WITH THOSE CHILDREN.

HE WAS OUT OF THE FUTURE.

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AND IF WE DON'T BREAK THEM UP, RIGHT, AIN'T NOTHING GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE FUTURE THING.

ROBERT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS MR. DAWSON JOURNEY? UM, I'M NOT THERE WITH A POOL.

NO, I SAID OUR JOURNEY.

OH, OH, OUR JOURNEY.

OH YES.

YOUR JOURNEY.

OH, OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

I MISUNDERSTOOD.

BUT, UH, THE MAYOR AND I, WE WENT TO KENSTON COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO TO REVIEW THE SWIMMING POOLS AND COUNSELING.

AND TO SAY THAT WE WERE IN AWE OF THEIR ENTIRE RECREATION FACILITY IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

THEY REALLY DO HAVE A MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE RECREATION PROGRAM THAN THE CITY OF NEWBURN HAS.

THEY HAVE THREE, THEY HAVE THREE SWIMMING POOLS AND THEY'RE WORKING ON A FOURTH ONE, OR THEY'RE WORKING ON AN INDOOR SWIMMING POOL.

AND THEY HAVE A PERSON.

THE ONLY THING THAT PERSON HAMS IS AQUATICS, WHICH IS RECREATION RELATED TO SWIMMING.

THEY HAVE A SWIMMING TEAM AND THE MAYOR AND I, WE ARE GOING TO BE PUSHING FOR NEWBURN TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE SWIMMING POOL.

I DON'T THINK THE LOCATION IS IN MATERIAL, BUT WE NEED ONE.

AS A START.

WE FOUND OUT THAT THE COSTS OF THE SWIMMING POOL IS NOT AS HIGH AS WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE.

BUT THE QUICK, IF YOU WANT FOR THE CITY, IF YOU WANT THE STUDENTS TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL, THE BEST WAY TO GET IT, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IS WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A SURVEY TO COME OUT.

AND IN THAT SURVEY, WE'RE ASKING THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR TAX DOLLARS SPENT? IF YOU CAN GO TO ALL THE CHURCHES AND MAKE SURE ALL THE PARISHIONERS SEND THAT SURVEY BACK, ASKING FOR A SWIMMING POOL IN THE ORGANIZATION THAT YOU'RE IN, TELL THEM TO SEND THAT SURVEY BACK, ASKING FOR A SWIMMING POOL TO EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TO ASK FOR A SWIMMING POOL, SWAM THAT BEQUESTS WILL NOT FALL ON DEAF EARS BECAUSE WE WILL SEE THAT AS A PRIORITY.

AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PRIORITIZING A SWIMMING POOL.

THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BUDGET THE MONEY, BUT, BUT ESQUIRE, WHAT ELSE DID WE LEARN ABOUT THE SWIMMING POOLS? WELL, WHAT WE LEARNED ABOUT SWIMMING POOLS OF IT AND JUST THE COST AND THE COST BEING DEFINED IS TWOFOLD.

ONE, THE INITIAL COST OF INSTALLING A SWIMMING POOL.

AND THE SECOND THING, OBVIOUSLY THE UPKEEP OR MAINTENANCE AS THEY WERE SEVERAL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE, I KNOW I HADN'T.

AND I THINK ROBERT HADN'T THOUGHT OF EITHER BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THE SWIMMING VOTE, BUT THE LOCATION OF THE POOL IS NOT AN EASY THING.

THE HOURS AT THE POOL IS OPEN.

IT HAS A LOT OF DIFFICULTIES ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WHETHER THE POOL WAS MANNED BY, UH, PEOPLE TO OVERSEE IT, NOT JUST LIFEGUARDS, BUT PEOPLE TO KEEP EVERYBODY STRAIGHT.

AND THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE, DEPENDING ON HOW, WHAT SIZE THE POOL WAS, THAT WAS, UH, SORT OF, UH, I MEAN, IF YOU WILL TO MEET.

SO WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT THE POOL AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IS TRUE, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS MUCH AS YOU, IN FACT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAST 10 YEARS.

I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS, UH, 10 YEARS OLD OR SO.

AND THEY, THEY DUG ONE.

I THINK I MENTIONED THIS ONE NIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL EVER REMEMBER.

THEY DUG IT, DUG ONE IN THE GROUND, OUT IN GLEN BURNIE PARK SOMEWHERE.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU, PEOPLE MAY REMEMBER IT.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE THING LASTS ONE YEAR.

I MEAN, IT WAS MADE OUT OF DIRT AND I REMEMBER THEY HAD TO RUN US OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND SHEET THE SNAKES.

AND THAT'S THE GUY THAT'S TRUE, I'M SERIOUS.

BUT THAT WAS A SWIMMING POOL, SHORT LIVED AS IT WAS, BUT THAT'S AS CLOSE AS WE EVER CAME TO TO, AND ONE IN HAVEN.

AND I MEAN, WE WANTED ONE AND OFTEN WONDERED WHY KENSTON ADD ONE EVEN THEN.

AND WE DIDN'T, BUT I WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT A MATTER OF US NOT WANTING ONE.

WELL, THAT'S NOT SEEING A NEED FOR THEM, BUT IT'S A FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME TREMENDOUS THOUGHT, PUT BEHIND IT TO MAKE IT WORK THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO WORK.

AND I WANT IT TO WORK, WHICH IS THE SAME WAY.

AND THAT'S IN A MANNER THAT PROVIDES FOR OUR, OUR KIDS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY'LL HAVE SOME HELPFUL OCCUPATION, BUT, UH, IT'S NOT AS EASY AS IT LOOKED, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO FALL ON DEAF EARS, AS YOU SAID.

WELL, MR. MAN, I REALIZE IS NOT A EASY PROBLEM.

I KNOW IF SITUATION, BUT THE DOABILITY AND YOUR STAFF AND GET TO KNOW HOW, AND YOU UNDERSTAND THE, WHAT WOULD WE NEED IN THE CITY OF

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NEWBURGH THAT WE HAD PEOPLE HERE AND CHILD IS CAPABLE OF DOING IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING.

WELL, I BELIEVE IT CAN BE DONE.

I THINK THEY KNOW RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, THEY CAN DO IT JUST A MATTER OF DECIDING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GO BACK.

IT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE CAPABLE PEOPLE IF A LITTLE CITY LIKE PHARMA HAS IT HAVE HAD IT FOR A LONG TIME.

AND NEWBURN IS THE SECOND OLDEST CITY IN STATE.

I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THANK OKAY.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK? OKAY.

COUPLE OF PAPERS.

UM, OKAY.

STATE YOUR NAME AND DRESS.

UM, AND I GOT DONE.

I CAN TALK.

SO, UM, AND IN MY CONVERSATION, I BROUGHT UP, BROUGHT UP A FEW ISSUES THAT I WASN'T QUITE SATISFIED WITH BECAUSE OF CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

AND THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE THAT WHENEVER I APPEAR WITH MY COMPLAINTS OR I ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF SERVICE TO ME, I ALWAYS GET A FLAG ABOUT HOW MUCH LEARNING THE CITY SPENT.

SO I HAD GOT TWO SHEETS FROM THE, UM, SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS AND ATTACHED TO A LEVER BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME ALL THE THINGS THAT I WAS DISCUSSING TO SUBMIT AND WRITE.

AND I DID SLOP.

I, UH, DELIVERED, UH, COP DELIVERED THE LETTER DOWNSTAIRS TO THE SECRETARY, UM, ATTEMPT TO TOUCH TO HER.

I CALL HER PLACE, BUT SHE SAYS, OKAY, SO FAR I HAVE NOT HAD AN ANSWER, NO COMMENT ON ANYTHING THAT I WAS THERE, WHICH, UH, A FEW OF THESE THINGS I REALLY WANTED TO KNOW, WHY WAS IT THAT THE CITY, THE SPINNING TEXTILES, ALL THESE THINGS.

AND WHEN OTHER PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF NEEDED SOME KIND OF SERVICES THAT MINISTER TO THEM, THEY COULD NOT GET MY CONCERN AND ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.

AND I THINK THAT IT WAS ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS.

1, 2, 3, NOT, NOT IN THE LETTER.

THIS IS THE CONTENTS OF AMERICA.

I'LL HAVE TO GET THAT OUT AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT WAS ON IT.

VERY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE IT RAISES ONE QUESTION THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED HERE, DELIGHT IN THIS CONSUMER RELATIONS BOOK COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S IN HERE.

AND I, I SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE REQUESTS WERE MADE, RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE.

AND, UH, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAVE SUCH A COMMITTED AND IT'S NOT OPERATED, WHY THE SCHOOL HAVE TO BE REPRIMANDED FOR THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS. AND THE OTHER WAS SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS ON HERE THAT I CHOSE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU AND THE BOARD MEMBERS.

I THINK I MENTIONED THAT IN THE LETTER, BUT SO FAR I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO SO.

AND, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO GIVE ME COPIES OF THAT AGAIN.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE, OKAY.

THIS WAS LAST

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YEAR BECAUSE THIS IS 1995 AND, UH, WROTE THE LETTER OF SEPTEMBER THERE 19 90, 19 90.

WELL, I KNOW I WENT OUT TO YOUR HOUSE AND SLEPT WITH THAT PROBLEM AND SO FORTH, BUT I DON'T RECALL ALL THIS ABOUT THE LETTER, I GUESS IT'S SOMEWHERE YOU'LL GIVE ME SOME COPIES AGAIN.

ONCE YOU PUT THE LETTER AWAY THERE, UH, WELL, I LET MY CONSTITUENTS ANSWER THAT ONE FOR YOU.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO CANVAS THEM AND COME BACK, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FOUND IN A COUPLE MONTHS.

I WOULDN'T MIND DISCUSSING THE ELLICOTT, THE COMEDIAN AND HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE PRESENT.

CAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY CAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OR THEY DIDN'T ADMIT IT BECAUSE I THINK SOMEWHERE THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WHEN THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY THAT'S DETERIORATED AND WE CANNOT GET, SEEM TO GET OUR NEIGHBORHOODS CLEANED UP.

WE CAN'T SEEM TO GET WHAT, WHAT WE COME DOWN HERE AND REQUEST.

AND OR WHEN I CAME DOWN HERE IN OCTOBER AND MADE A REQUEST AND I'LL REREAD IT AGAIN TO YOU, UH, NO ONE, THE PROBLEM THAT EXISTS IN TRAWLING, MY PREMISES.

AND I THINK I SHOWED YOU, LET ME CAME UP HERE.

AND I ALSO REQUESTED THAT, UH, MAKE THE DAY OF IN CALL SPEED, ASSESSABLE PHOBIA WAS COMING IN AND OUT YOUR THOUGHT DAMAGE.

MY PROPERTY, SINCE I CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD THREE TIMES, THREE TIMES, THERE HAS BEEN DAMAGE DONE TO MY PROPERTY WITH COSTS COMING IN THE BACK DOOR NOW, JOSEPH LAST WEEK OR SO.

SO I DON'T GET THIS ALL ON POST AGAIN.

AND EVERY TIME IT'S PUT IN PLACE, IT HAS TO BE SEEN IN IT DOWN.

AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT JUST AN ORDINARY PERSON COULD GO TO HIT I'LL CALL HEAVY THAT IT WAS FALSE AND THIS IS WHAT'S BEING DONE.

OKAY.

AND THE LOWER, THE SPEED LIMIT IN THAT BLOCK, BECAUSE MOST VEHICLES THAT COME IN, THEY BACK OUT WITH THE SAME SPEED AND THEY'RE KIDS PLAYING IN THEM.

ALSO THE LOUD NOISE FROM CALLS THAT COME IN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE RADIOS TURNED UP REAL LOUD.

AND I MEAN, YOU, YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN EARTHQUAKE GOING ON.

YOU DON'T KNOW.

AND I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT THAT.

AND, UM, ALSO THE OWNERS THAT CONTINUE TO COME FROM THAT FROM NOW, AND I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE.

I KNOW WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOMEBODY IS DUMPING SOMETHING IN THAT EMAIL.

AND IT SMELLS LIKE FROM EVERYTHING FROM DOG STUFF TO HUMAN WASTE TO WHATEVER, BUT IT'S THERE.

I HAVE A FRIEND TO VISIT MY HOUSE LAST WEEK BEFORE SHE COULD GET INSIDE THE DOOR.

SHE SAID, WHAT IS THAT AWFUL SMELL? SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS THING'S UP HERE.

I SAY, WELL, I'VE BEEN LIVING WITH IT FOR YEARS.

AND UM, WELL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHO WANTS TO GIVE AWAY THE SCHOOL, UM, DON'T MAKE ME FEEL BAD WHEN I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE BOARD AND ASK FOR SOMETHING AND MAKE ME FEEL LIKE THEY'RE DOING TOO MUCH FOR ME, YOU'RE DOING MORE FOR ME THAN ANYBODY ELSE PUTTING YOUR NAP, MY TAX DOLLARS.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE I'M PAYING INTO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TOO.

AND DON'T WANT TO ADMINISTER THE SERVICES TO ME WHERE I NEED IT.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M BY DENYING.

AND ONE OTHER THING BEFORE I SAID, WELL, DO YOU, DO YOU REALLY FEEL LIKE SERIOUSLY THAT THE CITY HAS NEGLECTED? WELL, IT'S NOT THE MATTER OF THE REALLY BIG THINGS THAT THEY, THEY DID THAT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY.

I HAD TO COME BACK AND DO IT OVER AGAIN.

AND SOMEONE'S ENOUGH ON DONE AND THEIR BUSINESS HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.

AND ARE IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I SPOKE TO MS. LEE AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS AND SHE TOLD ME SHE HAD SPOKEN TO THEM ABOUT COMING OUT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S BEEN ON OR NOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T SLEEP.

AND I FEEL THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ABOUT THAT DAY.

IT IS.

I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AS, AS WE SAID, AND ALDERMAN PENDLETON THAT I WAS GOING OUT AND, AND LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS DONE SOME THINGS OUT THERE NOW, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE PAUL EXACTLY THE WAY YOU WANTED THEM DONE OR NOT, YOU KNOW, MAY BE A DIFFERENT MATTER.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS IN THE CITY THAT ARE SORT OF PRIORITIZED AND

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THERE, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MANPOWER AND SO MANY, SO MUCH THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, REALLY.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UH, THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WILL NEVER BE DONE.

IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THEM DONE.

WELL, I TOLD YOU IT WAS THE MAY.

I BEEN COMING TO FOCUS BORDERS SINCE 1985 WITH ONE THING.

AND THIS HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN COMING TO FOCUS ON.

AND IT IS ANYTIME YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE A BALL OF THAT LONG AND ASK FOR SOMETHING, THAT'S SOMETHING WRONG THAT THERE'S SOMETHING DEFINITELY WRONG.

WHEN YOU DON'T LIVE IN AN AREA, YOU REALLY CAN'T MAKE TOO MUCH COMMENT ON IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE THERE.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE LIVE, YOU HAVE MOVED THERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS.

AND I LIVE THERE AND I KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION IS.

I KNOW WHAT WAS GOING LIGHT AND I KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

UM, SO MR. MAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT TO MAKE? BECAUSE WHEN YOU ADD AS MALE PROTEIN, YOU PROMISED ME A LOT, AT LEAST YOU SPOKE OUT IN MY FAVOR AS THOUGH YOU WERE GOING TO MR. MADISON, LOOK INTO THIS MOUNTAIN.

YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS IT'S SO LONG, BUT I HAVEN'T LIKE HEARD ANYTHING FROM MR. MAVIS.

YOU DID SAY YOU SPOKE TO HIM AT THE COMMUNITY TO MEET THAT HE HAD BEEN OFF HERE.

OKAY.

I REMEMBER YOU COMING TO TALK ABOUT, WE TALKING ABOUT A, COL-DE-SAC TALKING ABOUT WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CUL-DE-SAC AND I CAN TURN AROUND AND SHIT.

I'M YOU, YOU, YOU CALL IT A CALL TO SLACK.

THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD MAKE AN INTRO CALL BESIDES BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO BE, CAN BE A PLACE WHERE HE ASKED ME TO SAY SOMETHING.

WE ASKED HIM TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE, WE CAN DEVELOP AN AREA THERE WHERE WE CAN TURN AROUND WHERE YOUR PROPERTY IS.

CHAIN APPROXIMATELY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

SO PEOPLE CAN'T TURN AROUND AND WE HAVE MOVED THOSE STONES BACK THOSE WITH THINGS BACK TO THE COULD OUT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, THE PROPERTY THAT WAS OFF INTO THE CITY, IT DOCTOR TO THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY.

WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBLE WAY.

AND WE COULD HAVE A CUL-DE-SAC.

I ASKED HER IF THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR US TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25, 20, 25, I BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY 20.

I SAID, JANUARY, YOU CAUSE KIDS TO PLAY.

AND IN THE SUMMERTIME, IT'S FULL.

WELL, THERE'S THE, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH US WITH, UH, CHANGING THE SPEED LIMIT THERE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T AFFECT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT THAT IN THERE.

ALL CHILDREN.

NO, BUT IT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR BECAUSE WHEN THEY COME DOWN THEIR SPEED, THEY GO OUT SPEED.

NOW, ONE THING WE HAVE DONE, IF THAT WAS WHAT DREW MY ATTENTION, THE OTHER NIGHTMARE HAD NOT BEEN DONE.

YOU TALKED ABOUT A LIGHT HAVING POLICEMEN TO GO TO MONICA.

THEY CALLED ME AND TOLD ME THAT THEY DEFINITELY DO NEED TO LIGHTEN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S DARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

AND ON YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET, I TALKED TO MR. POCKET AGAIN AND SEE WHY IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF.

AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO OUT AND TAKE CARE OF IT.

HE HAD TO CALL ME BACK, BUT I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.

WE HAVE POLICEMEN TO MONITOR THE AREA FOR THE NA CAR THAT WE HAD THAT PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

PEOPLE RIDING THEM WITH THESE CARS, BUT YOU HAD A UNIQUE PROBLEM IN THAT DAY.

HE USED TO PARK AT THE END OF THE KESTREL AND PLAY THOSE LOUD BLUE BOXES.

AND TO REMEMBER, IF YOU REMEMBER, I MENTIONED IT TO YOU THAT MAYBE IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

LIKE THE SITTER HAS CAUTIOUS SONG SOUNDS LIKE NO DOG AND ONLY NEEDS TO HAVE A $50 PHONE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I SAID TO YOU, RATHER THAN TO MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY, MAYBE THE CITY COULD THINK ABOUT JUST PUTTING, LEASE ON SOME PLACES IN THESE AREAS.

AND MAYBE THIS, THIS WAS THE TERM.

MAYBE THEY WERE ALL ON THIS AND SLOP, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FOOD BOX.

SO SHE MEANS A SIGN LIKE THAT OPEN DITCH TO KEEP FROM DUMPING IN IT, WHICH DANNY, YOU COULD PUT A SIGN OUT OR COULD YOU NOT? NO, NOTHING.

.

YEAH.

NOW THAT, THAT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE RICK HAS THE SAME PROBLEM AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I GIVE TO THE NETWORK, THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHEN THEY JUST HELP THEM BE VERY QUIET.

AND THEN USUALLY THEN SOMEBODY COMES TO THEM WITH A LOUD NOISE AND IT'S VERY NOTICEABLE.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND KIND OF REGULATING

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IT IN CYLINDER SIGNS MIGHT HELP.

I THINK ANYBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CARE.

AND IF THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITIZENS LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY THE ILL AND THE PEOPLE I'M TELLING YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN EVEN SIT ON THEIR CALLS AND LISTEN TO THAT STUFF.

WELL, POLICEMEN HAVING MONTH FOR THAT AREA SO THAT THEY WON'T PARK AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CATCH WHOEVER COMES THROUGH THE NAVAL CADET, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND IT'S ONE THING THAT I KNOW IN ALL THE YEARS THAT YOU AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE A GENUINE CONCERN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CITY.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT MARY, BECAUSE YOU WAS NOT A SHELTER ACADEMY RULES THAT YOU SHOWED WHEN YOU WERE DONE, AND WE ARE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH WHATEVER PROBLEMS WE CAN AND THEN SOMETHINGS WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT, AND WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT AND THOSE THAT WE CAN'T THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH IT.

BUT AS FAR AS THE LIGHT IS CONCERNED, THE SPEED LIMIT IS CONCERNED.

THE TURNAROUND, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS A PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT.

YEAH.

BUT THAT COULD EASILY BE FOUND OUT FROM THE COUNTY AND THE TAX OFFICE.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EASILY FIND OUT ON THAT.

IT WOULD JUST NEED TO BE HAPPY SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO TURN AROUND.

THEY EVEN BROKE MY CHAIN AND IT'S A HABIT CHAIN.

THEY BROKE THAT.

I WENT OUT AND GOT FOOD AND EXTENSION TO GET LAID OFF.

THEY HAD KNOCKED THE POST, THEY BACKED UP AGAINST THE PILLS.

AND YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF THAT SOME VEHICLE HAS DONE THIS BEFORE THEY DO IT FROM THE GROUND.

AND IT'S A SENIOR PUMPS AND IT'S AROUND, WELL, I THINK YOU'VE SEEN IT.

YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE.

MR. MATTHEWS.

OKAY.

IF WE COULD ASK MR. MEADOWS, IF HE WOULD, PLEASE ONCE AGAIN, LOOK INTO THAT FOR US AND FIND OUT THAT PROPERTY WAS ALL TO WHAT PROBLEMS, IF ANY, WOULD IT COST US TO HAVE A TURN AROUND IT, MR. CLASSROOMS ALREADY WORKING ON AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

IF THERE WAS A LIGHT LINE TO LET THEM KNOW AT THE END, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE COOL BECAUSE THEY COULD BE SLEEP.

IT'S LIKE I SAID, THEY USED TO NO, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT THEY PUT ON CALL TO BE CALLED THREE OR FOUR.

SO MR. POCKET MOVING THE LIGHT FROM THAT UTILITY POLE PUT THE ONE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

SO THAT AREA THERE, PLUS OTHER SIDE OF, WELL, I TALKED WITH THE POLICEMAN OFFICER SIMMONS, THEY'VE CALLED ME AND HE DOES VERIFY THAT AND THESE SECURITY LIKE THAT, I ASKED HIM, HE SAID THEY WOULD, BUT YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME CONCERNS, MR. MADISON, PLEASE LOOK INTO THAT.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND GIVE US A REPORT BACK AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO DO THIS.

AND I ALSO WAS LISTENING TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT, AND I, I AGREE FULLY THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THE COUNTY AND THE CITY TO COME TO DEAL WITH A NEED.

AND I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO BE INVOLVED IN THOSE MEETINGS.

ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN THEY LEAVE, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE COUNTY ALSO BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN CONTACTS AND I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SOME THINGS.

NOW IT'S ONE OFF THE PLANE AND THE PASS OUT THERE ALWAYS APPEAR ON MONDAY PEOPLE THAT CALL AND ASKED ME, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CALLED ME AND ASKED ME WHY THE AGENDER DOES APPEAR ON MONDAY.

I KNOW A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, I CALLED SOME JOURNAL AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY GET IT ALL OUT WHEN THEY RECEIVE IT.

AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK I CALLED DOWN HERE AND SPOKE TO ALL MS. THOMAS.

AND SHE SAID THAT THEY SENT IT OUT ON FIRST.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT'S GOING ON ON TUESDAY NIGHTS.

CAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN GET TO READ THEIR PAPER UNTIL IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO RELAX.

AND I, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY STOPPED,

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UH, SUBMITTED ON WHAT DOESN'T COME OUT.

I THINK OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, SUN JOURNAL HAS REQUIRED A FOUR WORKING DAY NOTICE PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO PLACE ANY ADS.

AND SO WHEN WE SENT THE AGENDA, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGENDA IS, OURSELF UNTIL THIRSTY.

AND SO WHEN WE SEND IT, WE FAX IT TO THEM ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON, THE SOONEST THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO GET IT INTO THEIR PAPER AT THIS TIME IS TUESDAY.

AND I DON'T THINK THEY'VE HAD IT IN ON A MONDAY, PROBABLY IN THE LAST, AT LEAST THE LAST YEAR ANYWAY, LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

YEAH.

I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THAT.

IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE PLACED ON ADVANCED NOTICE ON WHAT AN AD'S GOING TO BE? IT'S IT IS THAT A REQUIREMENT OF THE SUN JOURNAL THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ADD IN A MINIMUM OF FOUR DAYS PRIOR? SO WHEN WE SEND IT IN ON THURSDAY, THE FOURTH WORKING DAY IS THE TUESDAY AFTER, UH, THE NEXT TUESDAY.

AND THAT'S THE DAY OF THE MEETING AND THAT'S AS FAST AS WE CAN GET IT INTO THE SUN.

JEROME, THAT'S THEIR STATEMENT TO US.

YES.

MA'AM I GUESS ALL KNOW ABOUT TO TELL HIM I CAN SPEAK TO IT WAS A MELBOURNE GENTLEMEN.

NO, HE GOES IN THE BACK WITH THE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS LOUIS BERGER STAFF AND I LIVE IN OLD TOWN SECTION.

I PROMISED TO TAKE ON ABOUT THREE MINUTES OF YOUR TIME.

I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS TO YOU TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE, UM, TO GIVE Y SAVE SOME CREDIBILITY.

I'M A GRADUATE MECHANICAL ENGINEER.

AND I STARTED MY WORK CAREER AS AN INDUSTRIAL ENGINEER, SETTING STANDARDS, ESTABLISHING JOB DESCRIPTIONS AND JUNK CONTENT AND RETIREMENT ABOUT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS PRESIDENT OF THE VISUAL LARGE AND DEALT WITH DUMBER.

I'VE LIVED IN OLD TOWN SINCE 1988.

DURING THIS TIME I MADE A MENTAL NOTE OF ITEMS THAT COULD BE IMPROVEMENT IN THE OPERATION OF THE CITY.

UM, UP TO NOW, UH, GERMAN, THE FRAME FROM THIS MEETING IS A LOT OUT HERE, NEGATIVE AND NOT TOO MUCH CONSTRUCTIVE.

THERE ARE A GOOD SUGGESTIONS.

I HAVE THREE ITEMS WHICH ARE PRESENT BRIEFLY, LEAVE YOU WITH A POSITIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATION.

I HOPE I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE FIRST TIME, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT, ADDITIONAL POLICE GUARDS ARE ABOUT TO BE, OR HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED.

IT SEEMS TO BE THE POLICY OF THE CITY TO ONLY USE POLICE CARS ON SHERIFF.

UH, IT'S BEEN ADVANCED IN THE PAST.

THIS IS THE MOST ECONOMICAL USE MAYBE ARE LEAVING WITH THE CITY IS A BUSINESS AND IT SHOULD BE RUN AS A BUSINESS IN BUSINESS.

THE MOST PROFITABLE PERIOD IS WHEN MAXIMUM UTILIZATION OF EQUIPMENT OCCURS.

THIS MEANS MORE THAN ONE CITY THAT SHIFT USE OF POLICE CARS.

I'VE NEVER FOUND ANOTHER CITY OF RESIDENCE.

AND I'VE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THIS THAT DO NOT FEEL THE SAME.

IS THE PRESENT USAGE TRULY ECONOMICAL? IS IT TRULY ECONOMICAL TO PUT THIS MATTER TO REST? I RAN A COMMITTEE OF THREE INDEPENDENT PERSONS BE APPOINTED TO REVIEW THE JUSTIFICATION, SIMPLE SHIFT USE OF CARS, REPORT BACK THEIR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION THE SHIT AND SET AT THE COMMITTEE SHOULD CONSIST OF A PERSON WITH INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS BACKGROUND, A FINANCIAL PERSON, PREFERABLY A CPA, PERHAPS JUST TO KEEP EVERYBODY ELSE HONEST, A MINISTER TO BE SURE THE SECOND ITEM THAT HAS SUGGESTED MANY EFFICIENCIES AND MANPOWER UTILIZATION, ASSIGNMENTS AND PROCEDURES CAN EXIST IN CITIES TODAY AND THEIR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION.

IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE PERSON WHO EXPERIENCED AND TRAINED TO ESTABLISH WORK STANDARDS, JOB CONTENT, AND METHOD TO BE EMPLOYED.

THIS PERSON SHOULD REPORT DIRECTLY TO YOU, MR. MAYOR, INITIALLY LATER, AS WE FIND THE USE IN GOOD OR NO GOOD FOR THAT PERSON GO WHEREVER SHE CAN BUILD OR FARM OR GIVEN TO MR. HART LEARNED HOW TO USE IT IN A COUPLE AREAS THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO HER LEAF PICKUP AND METER READER.

I WOULD OBSERVE WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS AND KNOW DANNY'S HAD TROUBLE, THE EQUIPMENT BREAKDOWN AND OTHER THINGS, BUT THESE ARE TWO AREAS THAT CAN BE FAST AND IMPROVE.

I WON'T TAKE TIME HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO MEET LATER, IMPROVEMENTS IN METHODS WOULD PROVIDE A BENEFIT TO THE TAXPAYERS AND MAYBE YOU GET PAID FOR SOME OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR AND WOULD OBVIOUSLY MAKE THE JOB EASIER OR WOULD MAKE THE JOB EASIER FOR EMPLOYERS.

THE THIRD AREA IS, IS THE CITY LANDSCAPE AREA THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT REQUIRED CULTIVATION AND REPLANTING REPLANTING SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR SHOULD BE REVIEWED

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PLANNINGS THAT ARE ATTRACTING, UH, THAT DO NOT REQUIRE EXCESSIVE.

EXCESSIVE MAINTENANCE SHOULD BE USED.

WELL-MAINTAINED SHRUBBERY WOULD BE A GOOD ALTERNATE.

WE'RE SPENDING ENOUGH ON AN AREA AT THE INTERSECTION OF NEWSOME CLARITY, THE FARMER, GOOD SIZE INCOME INCOME PRODUCING FARM MARRIES IN QUESTION DO NOT HAVE TO BE MADE ON IT.

TRACKING, JUST DESIGNED TO BE MAINTAINED OR ECONOMICAL.

I THINK IF YOU DRIVE AROUND THE CITY, YOU SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE PULLING WEEDS AND PLANT MOVE BANDAGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

DON'T DO THE TAXPAYERS A LOT OF GOOD.

THEY MAKE OUR CITY ATTRACTIVE, BUT IT CAN BE MADE JUST AS ATTRACTIVE WITHOUT THE HIGH COST OF MAINTENANCE OF THOSE DIAPERS.

TELL YOU, LASTLY, IT'S NOT MY INTENTION FOR THIS TO BE TAKEN AS CRITICISM OF ANY CITY DEPARTMENT OF PEOPLE.

I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THOSE EMPLOYERS THAT I'VE MET.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS, BUT I ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

FOR THIS REASON I MADE THE SUGGESTION AND COMMENTS.

I'LL BE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I MAY ASK YOU LET'S TAKE THE POLICE CARS WHEN EXAMPLE, WHAT WOULD YOU CONCEIVE AS THEY STEADY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, OR MIKE? OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND.

NO, GO AHEAD.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY, GOVERNMENTS, GOVERNMENTS, GOVERNMENTS ON DIFFERENT ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLE, THE BUSINESS, AS DANNY KNOWS, I HAVE TO BE ON THE BOARD OF THE REGIONAL WAYS AND PLACES WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE AND HOPEFULLY TOUGH ENOUGH SOME OFF TOO, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY SHOULD BE STUDIED.

AND I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THERE.

THAT SHOULD BE STAY WILL COST THEM MONEY.

AND GOVERNMENT IS THE SAME AS IT IS FOR BUSINESS, BUT I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT COST OF MONEY IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION SITUATIONS.

I'VE HEARD THAT ADVANCED FOUR OF US ARE, AND ONLY WORK ONE SHIFT A DAY THAT THE INSURANCE COST, ET CETERA.

WELL, THAT CAR WOULD BE VANDALIZED WHILE IT'S SITTING AT BURNUP LINE SEVEN.

AND I'M SURE THE INSURANCE IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR SOME OF THAT.

SO THE INSURANCE COSTS BE LESS WHEN IT'S WORKING ONE SHIFT TODAY IS A DAY OR TWO.

I DON'T PROPOSE THAT THEY SHOULD WORK THREE.

THE PROPOSAL THEY SHOULD WORK TO THERE HAS TO BE SOME SURPLUS CARS DIDN'T BREAK DOWN.

SO THERE'S A STUDY THERE THAT WITH ALL THE FACTS LAID OUT IN FRONT OF THEM, PROVEN TO DELTA COUNTY PERSON ON THIS INFORMATION, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR WHETHER IT'S WRONG.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I HAVE TO STAND HERE AND THEN PAINT THE ISSUES WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE FIGURES.

AND I WONDERED WHETHER EACH OF YOU IS YOUR VOTE TO APPROVE THAT.

OR IF YOU'RE BUSY, YOU REALLY HAVE A TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF THE COST OF THE POLICE CARS.

AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT MAINTENANCE MANAGER AND AUTOMOBILES BASED ON MILES RIVER.

AND IF THAT CAR IS NOT BEING DRIVEN, IT'S NOT ANY MORE OUT, BUT IF IT IS WORN OUT, YOU COPY STAR SOONER AND THE MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO BE JUST AS SAME ON TWO CARS IS ONE PART, ONE PART, ONE CAR THAT DRIVEN A HUNDRED THOUSAND VERSUS TWO CARS THAT ARE DRIVEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF MILES, BUT THERE'S A STUDY REQUIRED.

AND THE PHOBIC IS ENTITLED TO KNOW FOR SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN MOST OTHER SAVINGS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.

AND IF IT IS RIGHT, THE COUNCIL AND THE DARK PLACE BAR TO GET A PAT ON THE BACK, THEN THAT SHOULD CHANGE.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME SHOW YOU JUST HOW DIFFICULT A SITUATION IT IS WHEN YOU START TO QUANTIFY THOSE THINGS.

LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THING THAT YOU CANNOT QUANTIFY, THAT BECOMES A VERY SIZABLE PIECE OF IT.

BUT THE PUZZLE IS THE FACT THAT PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY WHEN IT'S THEIR STEED TO TAKE BETTER CARE OF IT.

THEN WHEN IT'S EVERYBODY'S STEVE JACK ASS OR, OR I'VE GOT AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY SAY, THAT'S MY MACHINE.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO RUN IT BECAUSE YOU WON'T TAKE CARE OF IT.

IT'S A MATTER OF SUPERVISION AND IT CAN BE WORKED OUT THAT A PERSON CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT CAR ON HIS SHIFT.

AND THE NEXT PERSON CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT ON HIS SHIP.

AND THERE, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE TWICE.

AS MANY POLICE STARTED DOING THAT, THEN WE NEED JUST HAD POOR SUPERVISION THAT CAN'T GO OUT AND SAY, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.

YOU DID THIS.

IF IT GETS DOWN TO PLACING THE BLAME, I DON'T THINK IT WILL.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BREAK DOWN EXACTLY.

IT'S WELL, I'M NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT A NOW, BUT YOU SEE, YOU HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF BUSINESS EXPERIENCE MYSELF, UNDERSTAND,

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AND I TRY TO, TO USE THE OPERATION.

NO, I DIDN'T SAY I DID.

I RAN APPRECIATE THE OPERATION IN THE WELL, IS THIS ONE OF THOSE KINDS OF TASKS THAT I PROMISED THE OWNER TAKE THREE MINUTES.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THE POINT IS OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO WHATEVER IS THE RIGHT THING.

NUMBER ONE.

AND NUMBER TWO, ALL I'M TELLING YOU IS IT'S NOT, YOU SAY IT'S LIKE A BUSINESS.

IT IS, BUT IT ISN'T.

AND I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS.

IT MAY NOT MEAN I HAVE ANY ANSWER.

MS. RANDOLPH DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY, BUT UH, WELL, SOME HERE AND THERE, BUT THE THING THAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT POINT EXAMPLE, AREN'T THERE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT USE, UH, ONE MAN PER CAR.

I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU WILL FIND THE PREPONDERANCE USE ONE OFF ONE CAR PER OFFICER.

AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT BECAUSE OF NUMEROUS STUDIES THAT THEY HAVE DONE THAT HAS BROUGHT OUT THE FACT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE A CAR TWICE AS MUCH, THEN YOU'VE GOT TO REPLACE IT TWICE AS OFTEN.

THAT'S JUST, THAT IS JUST A FACT OF HOW IT WORKS.

AND I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO DEBATE THAT SUBJECT.

I'M NOT GOING TO TRY AND DEBATE IT WITH YOU HERE.

BUT, UH, TO ANSWER THE MAYOR'S QUESTION, THERE ARE A VAST, THERE ARE PROBABLY MORE MUNICIPALITIES THAT GIVE ONE OFFICER ONE CAR THAN THERE ARE THAT DON'T THANK YOU ALL TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE COMMITTEE THAT COULD BE PULLED TOGETHER AND LOOK AT IT AND LET THEM ADVISE YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I HAVE NO, IN FACT, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT WON'T EXAMINE THINGS AND, AND SO FORTH, THE MORE I'M FOR IT, THE ANSWER SHOULD BE DONE ON A FORMAL BASIS.

IT'S NOT A MATTER OF ME COMING UP HERE, THINKING OF SOMEBODIES TIME, LOOK AT WHAT NUMBERS.

SURE.

BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SAY IT'S NOT AS CUT AND DRIED AND STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT IS.

IT ALWAYS IS, AS IT APPEARS TO BE.

I MEAN, THE COST OF MONEY IS PRETTY SIMPLE TO QUANTIFY.

WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY COSTS, AND WE KNOW HOW MANY DOLLARS WE TIE A SIMPLE ALGORITHM INVOLVED THERE.

BUT WHEN YOU START QUANTIFYING OTHER THINGS, FOR AN EXAMPLE, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT, UH, CAN WE AFFORD A BREAKDOWN? SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S OKAY TO BREAK DOWN ON A NINE 11 CALL.

I'M ONE OF THEM THAT DOESN'T THINK SO.

SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT AN AUTOMOBILE FOR AN EXAMPLE DIES ON A LINEAR FASHION.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SHOW ME THAT IT CAN.

I THINK IT'LL GO, UH, RELATIVELY PROBLEM FOR YOU FOR QUITE A WHILE.

AND THEN IT'LL START TO DO SOME EXPONENTIAL THING THERE AT THE END.

AND I HAD, RATHER, FOR AN EXAMPLE, WHEN THESE GUYS WERE BUYING CARS THAT WILL HAD 60,000 MILES ON THEM FROM THE HIGHWAY PATROL, WHOEVER AND CAME TO US, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU LAY IN THE BED AT NIGHT AND SAY, IF SOMETHING CALLS HALF AS MUCH, BUT IT'S HALF USED UP A HALF TIME TO HAVE, WELL, THAT'S THE SAME THING, BUT THEN YOU BEGIN TO REALIZE IT HAD, I RATHER SPEND MY LIFE, UH, IN THE FIRST HALF OF IT OR THE LAST HALF OF IT.

AND LOOKING BACK, I'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE THE FIRST HALF OF IT, IF I COULD HAVE IT.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS I APPRECIATE YOU COMING FORWARD.

I APPRECIATE ANYBODY COMING FORWARD AND ANYBODY CAN GIVE US ANY HELP, ANY INSIGHT, ANY STUDY OR WHATEVER.

UH, I'M CERTAINLY NOT AGAINST IT.

THE ONLY THING THAT I AM SAYING IS THAT I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE AS CUT AND DRIED AS IT APPEARS TO BE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT AND SAY ALL THE THINGS FOR AN EXAMPLE, SUPERVISION, I CAN SEE, UH, AUTOMOBILES FOR AN EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU COME BACK AND YOU DISCOVER A BIG DENT IN THE DOOR.

YOU'RE THE SUPERVISOR WHERE THAT DIDN'T COME FROM.

WELL, UNLESS I GO OUT AND INSPECT THE CAR EVERY TIME BEFORE IT LEAVES, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM.

AND WHEN WE STARTED ASKING WHO DONE IT, WE GET LEADS.

NOW I HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED TO THE POLICE ABOUT IT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHY, WHAT HAPPENED.

BUT I DO KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT HUMAN NATURE.

AND I DO KNOW THAT THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN AND WHEN, AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY, UH, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT DID IT.

A LOT OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN AND GET AWAY.

MR. MAYOR, THOSE ARE ALL THE MATTERS OF GOOD BUSINESS PROCEDURES TO ESTABLISH THE PROCEDURES AND TURNING THAT CAR OVER FROM ONE LAND TO THE NEXT THAT YOU KNOW, WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY IS, THE WAY THAT IT'S GOING TODAY, IT DOESN'T TAKE ANY SUPERVISION.

IT DOESN'T TAKE HIM BECAUSE THE MAN HAS THE CAR.

HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE SUPERVISED.

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE HE LOOKS AT THE SAME ONE EVERY DAY.

BUT IF A SECOND MAN CAME IN TO DRIVE THE CAR, THE LAST MAN TO GET OUT, I WOULD ALL LOOK AT THAT CAR AND ST.

HIS REPORT IN IT'S WHAT IT IS.

AND THE MAN GETTING INTO IT, AGREE WITH.

IT'S NOT A BIG, DIFFICULT PROBLEM, BUT IT DOES TAKE SUPERVISION.

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NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT IF IN THE FUTURE, THE MAYOR OR THE BOARD DESIRES TO LOVE YOU TO ASK YOU TO SERVE ON AN AD HOC, COMMITTED TO, TO, TO, UM, TO FIND OUT WHAT, HOW WE CAN SAY SOMEONE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SERVE? IT'S GOT TO BE NONPOLITICAL.

OH, YES.

WE'RE, NON-PARTISAN, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE POLITICS I'M OUT OF.

WELL, WE'RE NON POSITIVE.

THE BEST I CAN, I'M RETIRED.

I LIKE TO GO FISHING PRETTY WELL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT I MAKE TIME AVAILABLE TO DO SOME OF THESE OTHER SITES.

I THINK THAT THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS AREA, MANY, MANY RETIRED PEOPLE THAT ARE WELL QUALIFIED TO SERVE ON THE COMMISSIONS COMMITTEES, THAT THEY CAN ADVISE THEM END OF LIFE.

AS YOU WILL KNOW, WHAT THEY COME UP WITH IS NOT BUYING THEM.

STILL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

I STILL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU MAY OFFER.

EVEN, EVEN IF I DISAGREE WITH IT, LOOK, I'D BE SILLY TO COME UP HERE AND MAKE THESE STATEMENTS.

IF I WASN'T WILLING TO BACK THEM AND DO SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO SOME THINGS.

OKAY.

WE CAN, WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT BIBLE.

SORRY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I'M SAYING YOU SOLD YOUR BIG BOAT.

NO, I HAVEN'T.

NO, I HOPE I CAN, BUT I, SOMEBODY SAID YOU LOOKED FOR A LITTLE BIT.

I TOLD HIM I'D COME AROUND AND TAKE IT FOR A, MY FOUND, NAH, I MIGHT, I MIGHT LIKE IT TOO MUCH.

OH YES.

WE'LL GO AHEAD.

I CAN'T LOOK.

YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT LITTLE PALE BLUE BOARD.

I CAN'T HARDLY GO AHEAD.

I DID IT CAUSE I RAN DIDN'T COME TO SCHOOL AS CARS, BUT UH, THE ONE THING THAT I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND I BET TO SEE SOMEWHERE A WHOLE LOT OF REDUCED GARAGE CHARGES.

IF Y'ALL GOING TO Y'ALL.

SO THIS LAYING DOWN THE RIVER AND SAVING MONEY, SAVING MONEY ON MAINTENANCE, SAVING MONEY ON ME, SAVING MONEY ON MAINTENANCE, AND I BETTER SEE THE MONEY.

SO THIS GENTLEMAN OUT THERE, ONE OF HIS BIG, RANDOM MONEY ON ME AND CARS WOULD BE QUEST ABOUT THE POLICE CAR FOR CALLS.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN SHOWN PROOF POSITIVE WHERE THE SAVINGS ARE IN THE MAINTENANCE ON.

WELL, WHY DON'T YOU AGREE THOUGH, TO JUST TWO QUESTIONS HERE, ONE OF THEM BEING, SHOULD WE BUY A NEW CARS AND THE OTHER ONE AND SHE HAD ONE GUY HAVE ONE CAR, TWO QUESTIONS.

SO, SO IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S TWO, TWO EQUATIONS TO SOLVE.

TWO PART OF THAT EQUATION IN THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOLD THAT WE WOULD HAVE DEDUCTIONS AND MAINTENANCE COST THAT THE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE VEHICLES WERE KILLING US.

AND WE WERE SPENDING FAR TOO MUCH AT NIGHT.

I, THE RECORDS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AT THAT THEORY THAT NEVER HELD WATER, BUT I'M GOING TO STILL BE LOOKING FOR, HE MAY, ARE YOU SAYING, MAN, WE'RE SPENDING AS MUCH MONEY ON MAINTENANCE ON NEW CARS AS WE DID THOUGH.

I LIKE TO SEE THAT I WANT TO SEE THE SAVINGS IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR AND I WILL BE LOOKING FOR, AND THEN WE SHOW THEM WE'LL DEAL WITH THE BUDGETS.

ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S THAT NOW CONSIDER NEXT ITEM IS TO CONSIDER WILLIS SMITH COMPANY'S REQUEST TO PROVIDE CITY SEWER TO A TRACT OF LAND ON TRAMP.

RIGHT? YOU HAD, IT WERE ALL CALM AND NOT START UP.

COME ON, JUMP IN THE MIDDLE IN TIME AND AS USUAL DANCE, RIGHT? UH, MY NAME IS STEWART SMITH, 45 19 WEST FAIRWAY DRIVE.

I'M GOING TO GIVE SOMETHING ELSE FOR DON THE RENT OR, UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE MEDICINE STATE WHO OWNED A PARCEL OF LAND ON TRENT ROAD.

UH, JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION, HEAR HOW AN AVENUE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE TOWN OF TRENT ROOTS.

UH, DETECTOR PARCEL OF LAND IS MARGINAL AS FAR AS OBTAINING, EXCEPT AT TIMES AND SO FORTH.

SO SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE SUBMITTED A FORMAL REQUEST, UH, TO THE TOWN OF TRENT WOODS TO HAVE THAT PROPERTY RELEASED.

UH, IF WE COULD DO THAT, WE WANTED TO ASK TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF NEW, I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT IDEA.

IF YOU DON'T PAY CITY TAXES, YOU SHOULDN'T GET CITY SERVICES.

UH, HOWEVER, THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION.

UH, THIS, THIS PARCEL OF LAND ALONG WITH MAYBE ANOTHER THREE TO 400 FEET OF ROAD FRONTAGE ON THE TRENT ROAD, THAT IS IN THE TOWNER TRENT WOODS, UH, IS OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO RELEASE THIS PROPERTY.

I WAS TOLD WITH THE NEW BOUNDARIES

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ONE TIME, IT WAS IRREGULAR VERY MUCH IN ASSAULTED MANNER AND THEY DON'T WANT TO GET BACK TO THIS.

AND FOR THAT REASON, UH, THEY DID NOT WANT TO RELEASE ANY OF THIS PROPERTY.

SO FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE IN A BIND, UH, THE PROPERTY COULD BE DEVELOPED, UH, AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING FROM NOTHING.

UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT COULD BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AS WELL AS THE CITY.

IF SOME FEE SCHEDULE COULD BE ESTABLISHED, WHETHER IT'S A FULL CITY TAX RATE ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY TO REVIVE THIS PROPERTY WITH SU AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT, YOU DID REQUEST IN WRITING TO BE RELEASED FROM FRANK WOODS.

AND THAT THAT'S CORRECT, I GUESS SIX WEEKS AGO, I'VE SENT A COPY OF THAT LETTER, MR. PARKER.

SO WHAT HE'S SAYING ON THE FACT IS EVEN IF HE HAD TO PAY CITY TAXES LIKELY WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH IS NOT A PARTY, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR YEARS THERE WERE PROPERTY PEOPLE WHO OBTAINED CITY SERVICES AND DID NOT PAY TAXES.

MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S A OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS ADJACENT TO THIS PARCEL THAT HAS CITY SEWER PRESENTLY AND HAS ENTERED TOWN.

TRUMP.

UH, I REALIZE THAT PRIOR TO THIS REGULATION PASS, WHICH BILL IS, IS THAT IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING AND BEING BUILT SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO, 10 YEARS AGO.

IS THAT TRUE? WELL, DON'T THEY PAY? I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT BEING THE CASE.

WHY IS THE CASE IT'LL BE SEVERED TOMORROW? WELL, I MEAN, W WAS IT NOT TRUE FOR YEARS? IF PEOPLE WERE ADJACENT TO CITY LIMITS AND REQUESTED SEWER AND AGREED TO RUN THE SEWER TO THEIR PROPERTY, IF THEY COULD GET CITY SEWER WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY CITY TAXES, IT IS THAT NOT, I MEAN, WAS THAT NOT A REASONABLY ORDINANCE OR REGULATION HAS PASSED? I THINK THAT THEY DID EXTEND SOME SEWER OUT OLD TOWN WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ANNEXATION, BUT I'M NOT.

AND, AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN A POLICY.

UM, ANY OF THAT TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT, UH, BEFORE I WAS HERE, I WAS NOT, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE NOT BEEN AWARE OF ANY OTHER REASON THAT THEY WOULD EXTEND TO HER WITHOUT ANNEXATION WAS ACCEPTED THE OLD TOWN PROPERTY, WHICH AT THAT TIME LAY BETWEEN TRENT WOODS AND THE CITY OF NEW BERN.

AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LAW WAS WRITTEN, THERE COULD BE NO ANNEXATION, RIGHT? OH, I, I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO.

IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING CITY TAXES, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SEEN SERVICES.

THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION.

IT'S PROBABLY A TOTAL OF 6, 7, 800 FEET OF ROAD, FINANCIAL AND TRENT ROAD.

AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT COULD BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION.

I MEAN, WE'RE OFFERING TO PAY THE CITY TAXES.

WE PAY THE, THE, UH, WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING SEWER, RIGHT.

WOULD BE, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CITY WOULD DO.

I FEEL LIKE THE WAY IT WAS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED TO, WE ALL DO IT SIMPLY FOR CALLS.

HE'S MADE EVERY EFFORT TO JOIN THE CITY, BUT HE CANNOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT HIS FAULT.

AND IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AND WE JUST GOING TO JUST, I GUESS, RUIN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, RIGHT? WELL, I WOULD IMAGINE JUST THIS ONE PARCEL, IT'S 400 FEET OF FRONTAGE.

LET'S SAY THERE'S FOUR OFFICES BUILT THERE.

YOU, YOU MAY HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF TAX BASE IN THIS ONE PARCEL.

THAT'S NOT A CHICKEN FEED.

WHEN IT COMES TO TAXES, IT WOULD BE PAID TO THE SEA.

AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT ASKING FOR ANY SERVICES OTHER THAN A SEWER MILWAUKEE, WHAT WOULD WE DO? I DON'T THINK WE, I MEAN, COULD BE SENDING ME THE BILL AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND CALL IT DONE.

BUT THAT CONTRACT, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.

HOW ABOUT A CONTRACT THAT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO ANY SUBSEQUENT, UH, OWNER, THE CONTRACT, THE REPORT LIEN ON THE PROPERTY.

HE SAYS IT WILL BE RECORDED, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THE CONTRACT.

I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S THAT'S SOUND LIKE SOME LITIGATION STUFF TO ME.

SOMETHING THAT COULD BE OPEN TO THE, YEAH, I FEEL SURE IT CAN BE DONE AT THE BOARD MORNING TO DO IT.

WE JUST, ALL RIGHT.

IF THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS AGREE THAT THEY'LL PAY TAXES, AS LONG AS THEY GET SOLD, WHATEVER THE RATE IS, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DON'T WANT TO, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE.

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CONTRACT TERMINATE SERVICE NO LONGER WOULD IT HAVE SHOWN? YEAH.

I MEAN, WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO IT.

AMERICAN.

WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE ATTORNEY COME BACK WITH US WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT TYPE OF CONTRACT AND, UH, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

AND THEN WE'D GO FROM THERE.

WHAT KIND OF TIMEFRAME ARE YOU LOOKING AT STUART TOMORROW WOULD BE? WELL, I TELL YOU WHY JUST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PAT, WELL, LET ME, LET ME CUT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF IT HERE BY JUST ASKING YOU, MAN, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON IT? NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT? WELL, THE HONEST OPINION, OPENGOV, UH, WE'RE FRIENDS THEN THAT JUST DIDN'T KNOW HER FRIENDSHIP, BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, SERVING SEWER TO ANYWHERE IN THE TOWN OF TRENT WOODS, UH, IS NOT AT PRESENT IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL STYLE.

YES, I WOULDN'T.

I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT I UNDERSTAND IF THE BOARD WANTED TO DO IT, IT COULD BE DONE CONTRACTUALLY.

IT COULD BE VERY LUCRATIVE.

UH, ARRANGE LET'S SAY THE ONLY, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF YOU GOT THE RIGHT KIND OF MONEY, THEN YOU'LL BEND YOUR PRINCIPLES AND YOUR RULES PRINCIPLES.

WELL, C T T THE ONLY, THE ONLY, THE ONLY, THE ONLY PRINCIPLE THAT WE, THE ONLY REASON THAT WE DON'T SELL SEWER TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IS THAT WE ARE COMPETING WITH THOSE MUNICIPALITIES FOR RELEVANT.

AND YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER PEOPLE, TO MAKE THEM WANT TO LIVE HERE RIGHT NOW, IF I WAS MOVING INTO THIS TOWN AS A PROFESSIONAL, OR IF I HAD A JOB THAT WAS PAYING ENOUGH MONEY AND I CAN MOVE IN THIS REGION, I WOULD NOT MOVE TO NEWBURN.

I WOULD MOVE TO TRENT WOLVES.

I THINK TRENT WAS OVERALL IS A BETTER COMMUNITY THAN THE CITY.

I THINK THAT I CAN HOLD, I'M TALKING ABOUT IT.

IS THERE ANY OF YOU PEOPLE WATCHING THIS IN A MOTEL ROOM? AS FAR AS I'M BEING HONEST, I'M BEING HONEST.

MOST, MOST PEOPLE WHO MOVE HERE, PERHAPS THAT'S IT.

I MEAN, IT'S A SAFER COMMUNITY IS CLEANER PLACE.

YOU CAN USE ALL THE RECREATION AROUND HERE.

DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT HAD A LOW COST.

WELL, AND I MAY, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION SINCE YOU'VE TALKED ME INTO MOVING TONIGHT, WHY WOULD ANYBODY AGREE TO PAY FULL CITY TAXES, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S DUE.

IT'S ALL ABOUT DOING IT AND ONLY RECEIVE.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, TO AVOID BEING HIT AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE.

TO AVOID BEING IN THE CITY OF NE WHEN IS YOUR ARGUMENT? SOMEBODY, IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL IDEA FOR SOMEBODY TO PAY FULL CITY TAXES AND RECEIVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

MS. LEWIS, WHY THEY WANT TO DO THAT? MY CLASS, THE REASON WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE REASON WOULD BE FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED THERE, BUT SOME DEVELOPMENT IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN NO DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT HE, HE MAY HAVE THERE, OR THE PERSON MAY HAVE, IT'S NOT HIM.

IT'S THE A STATE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE, BUT IT MIGHT BE FINANCIALLY MORE FEASIBLE FOR THEM TO PAY THAT TAX AND HAVE IT SOMETHING DEVELOPED THEN THE HAVE ANYTHING BECAUSE THE LAND IS, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS DEAL THAT HE WOULD BE GETTING THIS DEAL, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, IS HE'S PAYING FOR THE FULL CITY PACKAGE, BUT HE'S ONLY GETTING THE SEWER OUT OF THE DAY.

HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT IN THE CITY.

HE'S NOT GETTING POLICE PROTECTION FROM US.

HE'S NOT GETTING ANYTHING ELSE.

WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT MY POINT IS THIS.

IF THAT'S A DOOR FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE SOME ADVANTAGE BY NOT BEING IN THE CITY, BUT PAYING FOR THE WHOLE RIDE ANYWAY, THAT'S NOT AN ADVANTAGE.

IT ISN'T THAT ONE UNIQUE PARTICULAR CASE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT HE STAYED IN THE ASS SIDE AND GENTLEMANLY, BUT IT'S NOT ANYMORE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO LARGE TRACKS PLANET, TRENT WOODS THAT YOU'D BE SET THE PRECEDENT FOR WHERE THEY WOULD COME AND WON'T SEWER AND THIS'LL WORK.

THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION, IS NOT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

UH, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE CITY BY NOT DOING IT IS JUST TURNING THEIR BACKS ON TO AN INCOME THEY COULD GET WITHOUT REALLY SPENDING ANY MONEY, BECAUSE I'M SURE AS PROPERTY OWNERS, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RUN THE SEWER LINE TO THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S THE WAY IT'S NORMALLY DONE.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME GIVE THIS NOW, ROBERT, IN MY OPINION, CAN YOU SEE THE INCORPORATION? IN MY OPINION, THE INCORPORATION OF TRENTWOOD WAS NOT IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST BECAUSE, BECAUSE AGAIN, AGAIN, THE PEOPLE,

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YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST TRENT WAS DON'T GET ME WRONG BECAUSE IF I COULD DO IT, I WOULD DO IT.

BUT THE PEOPLE IN TRENT WAS SEE, THEY HAVE ALL THE ADVANTAGE OF LIVING IN NEW BERN AND THEY DON'T PAY FOR IT.

AND IT'S FINE.

WHOEVER WAS IN CHARGE OF CITY GOVERNMENT BACK IN 59, THEY SLEPT.

BUT IN ANY EVENT, WE'LL SEE WHAT IT IS.

LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY SOME OF THE HOMES.

AND TRENT WAS, LET'S SAY SOMEONE OF HOMES AND TRIP WITH SOME OF THE SEPARATE TANKS FAILED.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO A TRIP ON RULES HOMEOWNER IS THAT IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY OUR TAXES, WE ARE RUN THE CITY LINES TO YOUR HOUSE PROVIDED YOU INTERVIEWED HIM TO PAY THE TAXES.

HE JUST SAID, HE'D RUN THE LINE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

BUT WHEN, IF I HAD HEARD ABOUT A POOR PERSON THAT CAN'T, THAT WANTS TO HAVE THE CITY SUED, THEY ARE, THEY ARE, THEY GOT CHILLERS AND TRENT WOODS, GOD.

WELL, HOW ABOUT A POOR PERSON THAT CAN'T PAY THEIR SEWER BILL? IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST SEE, DON'T PUT THE BURDEN ON YOU.

PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE TRIP WAS OFFICIALS, WHY ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE BURDEN ON HER? I REALLY DID NOT THE BAD GUY.

THE TRENT WAS PEOPLE OUT OF BAD GUY, BECAUSE THEY'LL TRY TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RELEASE THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE IRREGULAR BOUNDARIES THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

ALL BOUNDARIES ARE IRREGULAR, NOTHING IS STRAIGHT LINE.

ALL BOUNDARIES ARE JAGGED AND IRREGULAR THAT'S.

THE REAL REASON IS THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE WITH THAT TAX BASE, WHICH IS FINE.

I RESPECT THAT, BUT THEY SH THEY PUT THE BIRD ON SHIP.

WOULD THEY SHOOT? AND YOU'RE NOT, AND YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE TRENTWOOD, YOU PUTTING IT ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THOSE THAT SMALL TRACK OF LAND, LET'S SAY.

AND IF THIS, TO DO IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S TRENT WOODS OR NOT DO IT JUST BECAUSE IT'S TRENT WOODS IN AN EFFORT, HE'S GOT SOME KIND OF SQUEEZED BLADE TO GET TRENT WOODS TO COME INTO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

WE'RE ALL KIDDING.

I'M SAYING.

SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHY NOT? I WOULD LIKE TO MR. HARTMAN TO ELABORATE ON WHY HE REALLY DOESN'T THINK WE OUGHT TO DO IT.

WELL, I, I THINK THAT, UH, IF IN LOOKING AT AN ISSUE LIKE THIS, THAT IT'S BETTER TO LOOK AT IT STRATEGICALLY THAN WHAT'S.

WHAT IS IT TACTICALLY FOR THE PRESENT TIME, BUT WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE FOR THE LONG-TERM? AND I THINK THERE IS SOME MERIT IN WHAT ROBERT IS SAYING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS, THAT IF IT, IF IT, THE TOWN OF TRENT WOODS EVER NEEDS IT BAD ENOUGH THAT, UH, THEY WOULD, UH, AND IF IT'S GOING TO COST THEM MORE, OTHERWISE, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO JOIN FORCES WITH US, WHICH I PERSONALLY THINK SHOULD HAPPEN IF YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S NOT TODAY OR TOMORROW, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, SPEAKING AT IT AS A PRACTICAL MATTER AND LOOKING AT IT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF PROPERTY ON THERE, AND THERE'S A DEMAND FOR THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, THEN BY IF THAT DEMAND EXISTS, THEN THAT PROPERTY, OR THAT DEMAND'S GOING TO BE SERVED SOMEWHERE, IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE SERVED AT THAT PROPERTY.

OR IF THAT PROPERTY CAN'T BE USED, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE SERVED SOMEWHERE ELSE AT THAT PROPERTY THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED.

AND WE HAVE THAT PROPERTY THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED HERE IN THE CITY.

SO I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE THAT BY NOT DOING THAT, THAT WE WILL LOSE $1 MILLION IN TAX BASE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF THAT PROPERTY HAS A DEMAND FOR IT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THIS CITY THAT HAS SEWER AVAILABLE TO IT, IT'S GOING TO BUILD A MILLION DOLLARS IN TAX BASE.

THERE IS MORE INVOLVED IN, UH, PROPERTY TAXES AND WHERE A VALUE IS LOCATED UNDER A STATE LAW THAN JUST HOW MUCH PROPERTY TAX WE GET OUT OF THE AMOUNT OF SALES TAX THAT WE GET BACK THROUGH, UH, THE, UH, VARIOUS PURCHASES THAT ARE MADE IN THE COUNTY AND IN THE CITY COME BACK TO THE MUNICIPALITIES ON THE BASIS OF TAX VALUE THAT IS THERE.

SO DOES, UH, INTANGIBLES TAXES.

AND SO DO A FEW OTHER TYPES OF REVENUES.

AND SO, UM, AND, UH, SO I, YOU KNOW, I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR POSITION, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IF THE DEMAND FOR THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS THERE, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU OR, AND, OR THE MEADOWS, WHOEVER OWNS IT THINKS THAT THAT KIND OF DEMAND IS THERE.

THEN THAT KIND OF DEMAND IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY JUST BECAUSE WE SAY, NO, IT'S GOING TO BLOSSOM OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE IS GOING TO BE HERE IN THE CITY LIMITS.

AND SO MY POSITION IS THAT I'D RATHER WAIT AND SERVE IT HERE.

NOT NECESSARILY, THEY MAY GET A NUMBER 10 OF SEVEN TOWNSHIP.

WELL, THAT'S TRUE, BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING US SOMETHING FOR NOTHING.

AND I SEEMS TO ME TO BE A REASONABLE REQUEST, IF WHAT YOU SAY MAY HAPPEN 10, 15, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, AS FAR AS THE TOWN OF TRENT WOODS, I DON'T SEE WHY PROVIDING THIS SERVICE TO A SMALL TRACT OF LAND NOW WOULD HINDER THAT IN THE FUTURE.

I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THE PROPOSITION THAT YOU PRESENT IS CERTAINLY A LOT MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PROPOSITIONS THAT I'VE SPECIFIC, UH, SEVERAL QUICK QUESTIONS YOU SAY THE PROPERTY IS BORDERLINE, BUT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY SAYING IS IT'S NOT BORDERLINE, YOU CAN'T USE IT WITH SEPTIC.

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I CAN'T REALLY SAY WE TOTALLY CAN'T USE IT.

UH, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO PAY PARKING LOTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND USING, EXCEPT AT TIMES, IT REALLY RESTRICTS THE USABILITY OF THE PROPERTY CONSIDERING.

SO ARE YOU TELLING US THAT YES, YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT THE CITY SEWER AND NO, YOU CAN'T.

AND I'VE GOT LIKE, I'M TELLING YOU, I, AND I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU, I'M TELLING YOU, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER WE CAN USE IT AT ALL.

WE HAD THE PROPERTY CHECK TO PERK SOME YEARS AGO AND THE REPORT WAS NOT GOOD.

WE HAVE NOT GONE BACK, UH, IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO SEE JUST WHAT WE COULD DO, DO IT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL SO, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

YEAH, THERE IS AN EXISTING SEWAGE SYSTEM OF SOME SORT THERE AND TRENT WOODS I'M AWARE, BUT IT IS NOT WITHIN A RANGE THAT YOU CAN GET TO.

NO, AND THEY, THEY HAVE A CAPACITY OF PROBLEM AND IT ONLY SERVES A SMALL AREA.

OKAY.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND.

I W WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE BAD GUYS.

I MEAN, IF THEY DON'T WANT TO LET YOU GO THE BATON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR BAD GUYS, BECAUSE IF THEY WERE WILLING TO RELEASE THE PROPERTY, WE CERTAINLY GO THROUGH THE ANNEXATION PROCEDURE AND HANDLE IT THAT WAY.

AND IT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM, BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT BEING THE BAD GUYS IN THAT RESPECT.

IF THERE INDEED THERE IS A BAD GUY, GOOD GUY SITUATION, THE BAD GUYS AREN'T SITTING UP HERE EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT MIGHT BE TARRED AND FEATHERED BEFORE HE GETS OUT QUALITY OF LIFE OF NEWBURGH, ET CETERA.

UH, NO ONE HERE CAN SAY FOR SURE, YOU OR ANYONE ELSE THAT THERE AREN'T OTHER, SUCH SITES THAT MIGHT COME UP IN THE FUTURE, IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE JUST SAYING WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHERS HUMANE AS FAR AS SITES THAT ARE IN THE CITY OR THE TOWN OF TRENT WOODS THAT MAY WANT THIS, THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS WITH THE CITY, WHICH THIS IS ANOTHER, THERE MAY BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX AND 800 FEET OF ROAD FRONTAGE, RIGHT ALONG THE SAME AREA THERE.

AND IT'S THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF CONCEIVABLY, WE COULD BE HIT WITH THE SAME PROBLEM.

WELL, NOW THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL THAT I'M REFERRING TO IS ABOUT, OF ALL.

SO THERE, BUT THERE IS OTHER PROPERTIES.

SO THIS, THIS WOULD NOT NECESSARILY END THAT QUESTION FOREVER BECAUSE WE COULD BE HIT WITH IT AGAIN FOR LESS A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO WHAT WE DO TONIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AGAIN AT SOME OTHER TIME.

UH, AND WE REALLY DON'T WANT WHAT THE LEGALITIES ARE, THE CONTRACT, ALTHOUGH I WILL ABOUT MR. WARD'S EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA AND UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT PROBABLY, UH, A SUITABLE CONTRACT COULD BE DRAWN UP THAT WOULD BUY AND FUTURE OWNERS, ET CETERA.

I'M SURE THAT NOT ALSO SURE, ANYTHING A LOT, ONE LOT, YOU CAN WRITE ANOTHER LIFE AND BREAK TWO, BUT, UH, IT'S BORDERLINE, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW AT THIS POINT, FOR SURE WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL, WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN DO IT WITH A SEPTIC TANK, THE EXISTING SEWAGE SOLUTION IS NOT THERE.

AND TRENT WOODS, YOU, THERE ARE OTHER SITES, OBVIOUSLY THAT COULD COME BEFORE US.

WE COULD BE FACED WITH THIS AGAIN IN THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S CONTIGUOUS TO THIS TRACK, THE AND WE NEED A FINAL READING ON THE LEGALITIES.

I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GET THE EMOTION OUT OF IT AND STICK TO WHAT THE FACTS ARE AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PROPERTY OWNERS COME OUT THE LOSERS ON THIS, BUT I THINK THE LOGICAL THING TO DO THE SENSIBLE THING TO DO AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM.

AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S JUST FOR TRENT WOODS, LET GO OF THIS LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

BUT SINCE THEY OBVIOUSLY REFUSE TO DO THAT, FOR WHATEVER REASONS WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS, LIKE NOT REALLY KNOWING FOR SURE WHETHER IT CAN, HAS TO BE DONE THIS WAY AND NOT REALLY KNOWING ABOUT OTHER SITES ALONG THAT ROAD.

OTHER THAN THAT SIX TO 800 FEET THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED, JUST WANTING TO GET SOME ANSWERS ON IT.

I BET HE'S MET.

RIGHT? LET'S DO IT.

I ASKED HIM TO COME UP HERE.

I REALIZED SOMETIMES I DON'T HAVE THE MAD SOMETIMES DIFFERS FROM OTHER MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD.

I DON'T KNOW WHY JUST SEEMS. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE ONLY THING THAT BOTHERED IS TWO THINGS ABOUT ME.

ONE, I HATE TO OPEN THE DOOR AGAIN.

IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO CLOSE THAT DOOR AND WE KEPT IT SHUT FOR A LONG TIME.

AND I HATE THAT AN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT I WON'T SAY THAT I WON'T BE IN SOME, I DON'T KNOW.

UH, THE ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU START DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, LAWS CAN BE CHANGED TO SQUASH IT AFTER IT'S DONE.

UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MY ONLY REAL HESITATION.

UH THAT'S THAT'S MY BASIS, OTHER THAN OPEN DORIAN.

AND I, YOU KNOW, I IT'S, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT RISK AND GAMES.

I MEAN, YES, IT APPEARS TO BE, UH, EASY MONEY, SO TO SPEAK, BUT IS THAT MONEY GOING TO BE WORTH THE RISK WHERE YOU DON'T

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TAKE? I DON'T KNOW.

AND WE AREN'T BAD GUYS DOWN.

YEAH.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR BAD GUYS.

YEAH.

THEY SELL THEM AT ME.

TALK MAX TAB HERE.

JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD JUST SAY, WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR RESERVATION.

WE OPENED THE PANDORA BOX.

IF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT WE MAKE THESE ALLOWANCES FOR YOU.

AND THEN SOMEBODY SEE THAT AS A GOOD IDEA.

AND THEN WE STOPPED PROVIDING SEWER SERVICES TO MANY OTHER LITTLE TOWNSHIPS, SO AREAS AROUND, AND THAT'S MY ONLY RESERVATION.

OTHER THAN THAT, I SAID, GET THE MONEY.

SO I LIKED THE CITY MANAGER AND EVERYBODY TO JUST GIVE US A COUPLE OF SOME PROS AND CONS.

WELL, THIS PROPOSAL BEFORE WE SAY NO, YOU KNOW, COME BACK NEXT WEEK TO SAY NERDY.

IT SOUNDED LIKE NO, TO ME THIS YEAR, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS, DO SOMETHING THAT'S AND I GUESS IT'S A PROBLEM.

AND WE KNOW IF YOU TALK ABOUT BUILDING SOMETHING WAS 150, 200, $300,000.

IT'S NOT WORTH THE RISK TO ME TO DO.

IF YOU TALK ABOUT BUILDING SOMETHING THAT MAY BE WORTH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS, UH, HOW MUCH TAX IS GOING TO BRING IN, LET ME SEE SOME NUMBERS ON, WELL, AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS, UH, 400 FEET OF ROAD FRONTAGE.

PROBABLY CONCEIVABLY COULD BE DIVIDED INTO 400 FOOT, LOTS THAT WOULD BE WORTH, I DON'T KNOW, 60 TO 75,000 A PIECE.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD ASSUME SOMEBODY BUYING THAT KIND OF PROPERTY WITH BUILD A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND BOTTLE OFFICE ON EACH ONE.

SO I'M THINKING TWO 50 TO 300,000 OR A HUNDRED FOOT PARCEL.

THAT'S THAT'S, THAT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'D BE PUT THERE, BUT WITH THE PRICE OF THE LAND, WHAT KIND OF RESTRICTIONS ON THE LAND? I MEAN, COULD THEY GO IN AND THROW IT THE SHELVING NOW IT IS RESTRICTED.

UM, OH, AND I, A HUNDRED TRENTWOOD ZONING.

WE DON'T NOT, UH, COULD THEY POSSIBLY GO IN AND THROW UP A SHELTER SO THEY CAN DO THAT.

WE CAN DO THAT.

AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU GIVE US THE SEWER OR NOT? WELL, IT SOUNDS MORE TO ME IT'S, IT'S NOT, IF I'M GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF IT NOW, I MIGHT BE WILLING TO BEND A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, LIKE A PRETTY GOOD SIDE FOR GUY.

I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THE RISKS BOTH IN THE DOOR AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE COME IN.

IT'S GOT TO BE WORKED ON.

I DO THINK YOUR STUART IS A VERY CLOSE CALL WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO.

IT'S NOT AN, IT'S NOT A REAL EASY YES OR NO ANSWER ON, AND I WANT TO HOOK IT UP THIS.

OKAY.

CAN WE, CAN WE COME BACK, MAN, WITH MY RECOMMENDATION WITH D AT CITY MANAGING THIS AND I WILL HOPE THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE AT LEAST BY NEXT MONDAY, SO THAT STUART WOULD HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHICH WAY TO GO FROM THERE.

IS THAT POSSIBLE IF THE CITY MAN, OKAY.

I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT UP.

GO AHEAD AND CLARIFY THAT.

AND FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU THE IMPRESSION THAT I HAVE A SECOND ON HIS MOTION FOR, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO GET AN IMPRESSION THAT, UM, THAT, THAT I THINK NEW BERLIN IS SUCH A BAD PLACE TO LIVE.

IT'S JUST THAT I FEEL BEING OBJECTIVE, BEING OBJECTIVE ABOUT IT.

I FEEL THAT A PROFESSIONAL, IF THEY HAD A CHOICE BETWEEN BUYING A HOME AND NEWBURN, AS OPPOSED TO TRENT WOODS, I THINK A PROFESSIONAL WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO MOVE TO TRENT WAS PRIMARILY BECAUSE TRENTWOOD IS MOSTLY A CITY OF HOMES AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS OR WHERE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ENTITIES ENCROACHING AROUND THOSE HOMES.

THE TAX BASE IS EXTREMELY LOW AS OPPOSED TO NEWBURN.

AND YOU HAVE ALL THE ADVANTAGE OF LIVING IN NEW BERN WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY THE EXTRA FIVE TIMES HIGHER TAX BASE.

AND SECONDLY, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE.

THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT TO SEAL SEWER TO THE MILLS OF STATE.

THE ISSUE IS, IS THE CITY GOING TO ABANDON ITS POLICY OF NOT PROVIDING SEWER OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

AND YOU DON'T NEED TO, TO ENABLE PEOPLE TO BUY IT'S OPPOSITE AND YOU JUST NEED TO CHANGE THE WHOLE POSITIVE, THE FALL DAQUAN CENTER.

I GOT A LOT IN NEWS HARBOR THAT I BOUGHT TWO YEARS AGO

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AND A LOT WON'T PERK.

I WOULDN'T VOTE TO SELL ME SEWER FROM THE CITY.

AND I'M WONDER BOY, IF MY ENTERPRISE, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT, I WOULDN'T WANT TO, TO SET A PRECEDENT.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT.

AND IF YOU MAKE AN EXCEPTION, I WOULDN'T MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR ME.

THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW STRONGLY I FEEL ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE YES.

AND WHAT'D YOU TAKE THE DEAL.

IF WE, IF WE TAXED JUST LIKE YOU IN THE CITY AND YOU PAY FOR THE SILVER LINE BEING RUN ALL THE WAY TO EUROPE, YOUR PROPERTY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT, IT WAS I'M SORRY.

I GOT THE STRAND TO SAY THAT AGAIN.

I SAID, IF WE MADE YOU THE DEAL THAT IF YOU PAID FULL CITY TAXES AND YOU PAID FOR RUNNING THE SILVER LINE ALL THE WAY TO THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU TELL US NO DATE.

YEAH.

AND I TELL YOU WHAT, I JUST MADE THAT SUCH A GREAT DAY ON THAT.

EVERYBODY'S GOING TO JUMP ON THIS THING.

WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT? WELL, NUMBER ONE, I JUST NEED TO CREATE WHAT WE NEED.

I JUST FEEL LIKE FOR TOO LONG, WE WILL ALLOW NOT JUST TRUMP, BUT WE'VE ALLOWED TWO MINUTES CITIES TO INCORPORATE IN OUR BACK DOOR.

AND I JUST BELIEVE THAT STRONG, LARGE CITIES ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS STATE.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE STRONG ANNEXATION LAWS.

THAT'S WHY RALEIGH HAS PROSPER.

THAT'S WHY DURHAM HAS PROPER PROSPER.

THAT'S WHY GREENVILLE HAS PROSPER.

EVERYBODY'S GOING, BUT NEWBURGH, NEWBURGH IS NOT.

THE REGION IS GOING BY NEW BURNERS AND GROWING FROM 14,000 PEOPLE FROM 1960 TO 22,000 PEOPLE.

NOW THAT'S NOT CONSIDERABLE GROWTH.

RALEIGH WENT FROM 65,000 PEOPLE IN 1960 TO 350,000 PEOPLE.

NOW THAT'S BROKE AND KERRY IS LARGER THAN NEWBURN RIGHT NOW.

JACKSONVILLE IS LARGER THAN NEWBURN.

AND THE REASON WHY, W W WE HAVEN'T GROWN, ARE WE, LOOK, WE HAVE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS IN GROWTH, BUT THERE ARE GOOD THINGS, TOO.

I THINK THE GOOD THINGS OUTWEIGH THE BAD THINGS.

CULTURAL DIVERSITY, THE WORKS RECREATION, YOU NAME IT.

AND KEVIN I'LL LET YOU FOLKS GO HOME.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS I CAN'T SEE THAT YOU'RE ESTABLISHING ANY KIND OF PRECEDENT BY DOING THIS BECAUSE IT'S A VERY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE.

YEAH.

AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IN WEIGHING ANY REQUESTS LIKE THIS, I THINK THAT THE OVERRIDING CONCERN IS NOT WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE, OR WHAT WE MIGHT DO IN THE FUTURE IS IT IS MORE, IS WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST FOR THE LONG-TERM BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

AND THAT MEANS WE MAY SAY NO TO ONE PERSON.

WE MAY SAY YES TO ANOTHER PERSON.

I BELIEVE.

SO.

MAY WE GO ON A RECOMMENDATION? AND A MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED.

WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH SOMEBODY ELSE BLANK.

UM, YEAH.

YEP, YEP.

YEP.

IT'LL BE NEXT TUESDAY WHEN WE WILL MAKE COSTA MONDAY'S A HOLIDAY.

WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THAT NIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

AYES HAVE.

YES.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

HOW ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA IS THE NEXT THING UP.

ANYBODY WANT TO PULL ANYTHING FROM THE CONSUMER AGENDA, DISCUSS BOOKS OR NOT APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL ITEMS. OKAY.

ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ONLY CONSENT TO BUDGET THAT WE ACCEPTED INSTEAD OF JUST EXCLUDED ITEM SEVEN SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION EVENT.

OKAY.

YOU CAN CALL THE ROLL ON SIXTY THREE, TEN MINUS SEVEN.

YEAH.

ONE-ON-ONE IN A LINE OF SEVEN WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION, HOW MUCH AND WHAT WE GOING TO DO WITH THE MONEY.

SO WE STARTED IN FRUITS.

YOU TOUCHED ON THAT A LITTLE BIT IN SOME WAY, BUT I WANT A LITTLE MORE DEPTH.

OKAY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RAISE RATES, NOW, I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE, YOU HERE IN THE, AND THE WORK THAT SHOULD BRING US IN.

I APPROXIMATELY ABOUT $165,000

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THIS YEAR.

AND WE WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY THE NEXT, BY, UH, PROBABLY BY JUNE WHERE WE WILL HAVE CONSTRUCTED ONE WHALE AND WE WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION ALL THE REST OF IT.

AND BY THAT TIME, IF THE BOARD APPROVES THIS, UH, THE $165,000 WILL BE UTILIZED TO FULFILL SOME COMMITMENTS THAT THE BOARD MADE SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO THE COUNTY.

WHEN THEY LEFT OUT AN AREA OUT OF A WATER DISTRICT THAT WE SAID WE WOULD EXTEND SOME LINES DOWN AND IT WILL ASSIST THE CITY, KEEPING THAT TERRITORY FOR OUR OWN FUTURE SERVICE, WHICH IS A HIGH GROWTH AREA.

IT WOULD EXTEND THE LINE, DOWNSTATE AND ROAD, UH, A PORTION OF IT, UH, IN THE ROCKY RUN AREA, $20,000.

IT WILL EXTEND A LINE DOWN TO, UH, THE RIVER BEND AREA ALONG 17, WHICH WE'VE HAD A LONGSTANDING PETITION FROM CITIZENS OUT THERE TO SERVE.

AND WE'LL ALSO EXTEND THE LINE ALONG 17 TO THE RIMS AREAS, WHICH IS, UH, AN AREA THAT WE TOLD THE COUNTY THAT WE WOULD PUT LINES OUT TO THAT ABOUT THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO.

AND WE'VE NEVER FULFILLED THAT.

SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED DURING THE NEXT SIX MONTHS THAT WE WOULD DO.

THANKS.

I HAVE TO ADD IT TO MY CELL SO I CAN KEEP UP.

SO PUT THAT ON A PIECE OF PAPER, DOWNLOAD ZAC CALL ANY DISCUSSION FURTHER, EXCUSE ME.

WHAT'S HOT IN THIS PLACE.

CALL A ROLL MAN.

YES.

YES.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S THE LINUS IS THE NEXT THING.

AND THE STOP WITH DAWN TOM'S THOMPSON CONFERENCE.

SO WE START WITH BACH ROAD AND BACK UP.

OKAY.

I LIKE TO GET OUT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CITY CREWS AND HOW WELL THEY DID.

AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD BRING THEM UP HERE, LET EVERYBODY SEE THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING.

COULDN'T SHOW UP POLICE STATION.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE, UH, BEFORE WE HAD THIS STORM, WE'RE STILL DONE AND THE LIGHTS WENT OUT FOR A WHILE AND WE WOULD LIKE RUN AROUND.

I TOOK HIM HIS HEAD CUT OFF, YOU KNOW, WE DID WELL, BUT THIS TIME IT SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE ORGANIZED.

THINGS WERE FALLING IN PLACE.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD CALL IT PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

LIKE, NO WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN, THERE WAS A STORM GOING ON.

THINK THAT WE NEED TO, AS A BOARD, SHARE OUR APPRECIATION TO THE STAFF AND THOSE THAT HELPED THEM WITH CRISIS ALONG THAT SAME LINE, MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IN THE PAST, WHEN WE'VE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE HAVE, UH, GIVEN THE EMPLOYEES WHO WORK ALL THOSE HOURS STRAIGHT, A $50 BONUS SO THAT THEY COULD TAKE YOUR FAMILY OUT.

AND IT'S REALLY JUST A REMEMBRANCE, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ALSO DO IT IN THIS CASE.

AND WE'LL COMPILE A LIST OF THE NAMES.

SOME OF THERE AS WAS SAID, I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY IF WE CAN GET ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN HERE.

CAUSE PROBABLY YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT, WELL OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHAT THIS FRAME SITS, BUT WE WILL GET, WE WILL GET THEM AND SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THEM UP HERE FOR SOME RECOGNITION MAYBE MIGHT HAVE TAKEN IN TWO SHIFTS OR WHATEVER.

OKAY.

WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME UP AND SAY NO.

OKAY.

DON WAS SKIPPED TO, SO WE'LL BACK UP.

UH, YES.

I HAVE THREE THINGS.

THE ONE MY DAUGHTER ASKED ME TO MENTION TO PLUG HER PROGRAM SHE'S IN THE FIFTH GRADE, SHE GOES TO JT, BARBARA, AND THEY'RE HAVING A MASTER'S DANCE.

THE SATURDAY NIGHT, UH, SEVEN 30.

IT'S FAIRLY INTERESTING.

THEY TAKE PAINTINGS AND DEPICT THEM IN THE DANCE.

AND IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS EVERYBODY GETS BACK, THE CITY EMPLOYEES ON THE BACK AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT TOO, BUT, BUT THE ONE GROUP THAT I WAS IMPRESSED AND PROUD OF WAS THE CITIZENS THEMSELVES ALL AROUND IN GREENBRIAR, MY NAME GOODS AND LIFTED THEM UP AND DOWN ROADS, WHEREVER SOMEBODY HAD A TREE, THE NEIGHBORS ROLLING, CUT IT UP ON THE MAP, WHATEVER THEY HAD A COURSE, I'M NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM SEEING BOYS, BUT SURE.

EVERY ONE OF THEM, BUT I WAS PARTICULARLY PROUD OF THE CITIZENS THEMSELVES GETTING OUT AND HELPING EACH OTHER.

THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE REAL POWER IN THE CITY WHERE HE COMES IN AND JOHN CAN TELL US

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THAT FOR YEARS.

AND HE'S JUST ANOTHER THING ABOUT IT.

WE'RE VERY PATIENT.

AND YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE TO CALL AND HE JUST EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING ON.

THEY WERE VERY PATIENT AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE CRISIS, AS OPPOSED TO IF THAT VERY MUCH YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.

BUT I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME PEOPLE WERE GETTING ALL THE NOISE AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE AN ACCUSATION.

IT REALLY FREAKING OUT.

SO I GUESS WE HAD BEEN BLESSED IN THIS AREA THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN AWFUL LOT OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPEN TO US OVER THE YEARS.

AND SO WE WERE BEGINNING TO BE BORN STANDING.

I WAS LATE LAST NIGHT.

WELL, I WON'T TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT THE CITY EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY DID A SUPERB JOB.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE GUY WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME FOR COMING OVER TO CUTTING UP THE LIAM THAT FELL UPON THE LAST BOAT.

BUT SINCE I'VE GOT A BUSTED LEG AND CAN'T GET OUT, BUT, UH, THEN ANOTHER GROUP OF CITY EMPLOYEES, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT THAT'S, THIS HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME A LOT.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF LETTERS TO THE EDITOR, ET CETERA, TALKING ABOUT THE SEWER EFFLUENT THAT, UH, COMING FROM THE CITY AND TALKING ABOUT PARTIALLY TREATED SEWAGE AND THE CITY'S, UH, 30 VOD, UH, THAT THEY TALK INTO THE RIVER.

THAT'S A TECHNICAL TERM, BUT THE PEOPLE TO WRITE THE LETTERS WILL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE CITY, THE CITY MEETS ALL STATE STANDARDS FOR TREATMENT OF THE SEWAGE.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PARTIALLY TREATED SEWAGE, MEANING THAT THE CITY DOES NOT MEET STANDARDS AND THAT'S BEEN BOTHERING ME BECAUSE IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN SAID, BUT ALWAYS LETTERS TO THE EDITOR.

AND THEY ALWAYS KEEP SAYING PARTIALLY TREATED SEWAGE, PARTIALLY, PARTIALLY TREATED SEWAGE.

AND THEY'RE BEING VERY MISLEADING TO THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THE CITY HAS THE CITY DOES NOT THROUGH THAT.

UH, SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT DUMP, PARTIALLY TREATED SEWAGE THAT DOES NOT MEET ALL THE STATE STANDARDS.

AND WHAT BROUGHT IT TO MIND WAS THE MONTHLY REPORT AND THE WASTE TREATMENT PLANT HERE.

NO ONE HAS EVER CONGRATULATED THE GROUP OUT THERE ON THE FACT THAT WHILE WE'RE ALLOWED A 30 VOD READING TO BE DUMPED INTO THE RIVER, IT ALMOST CONSISTENTLY AVERAGES HALF THAT THE CITY DUMPS HALF WHAT YOU LEGALLY COULD INTO THE RIVER AND THE GUYS OUT THERE AND THE WOMEN OUT THERE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB.

AND I APPRECIATE IT.

SECOND THING I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP IS, UH, THE, THE, I LIKE THE LB MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HELD ON THE LEADERSHIP OF THE MAYOR.

AND I NOTICED THAT WE'D HAVE, WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, LITTLE THINGS OCCASIONALLY.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, UH, CAN'T GET OUT OF THE HOUSE TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE WATCHING THE BOARD MEETINGS ON THE CABLE CHANNEL, AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING LIVE, LIVE AUDIO COVERAGE ON TUESDAY NIGHTS OF OUR MEETINGS ON THE CABLE.

AND I'VE DISCUSSED THIS, THE BEGINNINGS OF THIS WITH SOME ARE TALKING ABOUT COLIN.

WELL, TO BEGIN WITH, I'M TALKING ABOUT BROADCASTING, OUR AUDIO LIVE ON THE CABLE.

EVERY MEETING NIGHT, EVERY TUESDAY NIGHT THAT WE HAVE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS SO THAT THE PEOPLE CAN HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON AS IT'S GOING ON AS A POSSIBLE PRELUDE TO THE LIVE TRANSMISSION OF THE VIDEO.

ALSO TO SEE IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN THAT.

AND NUMBER TWO IS WHAT YOU MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF ONCE WE ARE ALIVE WITH THE AUDIO, EVEN WE COULD SIMPLY HAVE A SPEAKER FOLLOW HERE AND PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES COULD CALL IN AND PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC HEARINGS.

IT'S JUST AN IDEA.

THINK ABOUT IT THAT'S TOO MUCH.

WELL, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS TOO MUCH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IT'S COMING UNDER RENEGOTIATION.

OKAY.

NO, NOT REALLY.

NOT IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THIS IS A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR WHO LEASES FOR MONEY.

A CHANNEL FROM THE CABLE COMPANY, CABLE COMPANY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

HE WOULD BE DOING THAT HIMSELF.

SO WE MIGHT REQUIRE ROBERT, I'M ALMOST SCARED TO CALL YOUR NAME.

YOU GOT TO BE GOT TO BE STRONG, MAN.

I'M GOING TO GO HOME AND MOVE TONIGHT.

LET'S KEEP IT PLAUSIBLE THAT LAW.

ARE YOU A PROFESSIONAL PROFESSIONAL? WORST.

ROBERT JUST SAID PROFESSIONALLY.

OH, PROFESSIONAL MAN LETTING ME OUT ANYWAY.

AND BY DEFINITION, UH, APPOINTMENTS, ANYBODY GOT ANY APPOINTMENTS? A WHILE AGO, NOBODY

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ON THIS BOARD OR THE CITY BOARD SLEPT THE FORMATION OF TENT WOOD.

AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

I WOULD EAT THIS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND IT REMAINS.

SO I ONLY HAVE ONE.

AND THAT'S IT.

THE SUN GERALD'S INCREASES GOING UP 17%, NOT A DOLLAR 70%.

YEAH.

IF I MIGHT, ONE OTHER, THEY MENTIONED TO THE SUN DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN.

AND, UH, AND MARY WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT, UH, THE AGENDA.

I MEAN PUBLISHED MR. HARTMAN.

AND I HAVE DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE PAST, THE, OF INCLUDING THE AGENDAS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH, UH, ELECTRIC BILLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT OR NOT, BUT WE HAVE BEEN EXPLORING WAYS TO GET THE WORD OUT TO MORE PEOPLE.

SO THEY D SAY THEIR MAXIMUM YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE THE GENDER READY.

IT'S SO FAR, SO FAR.

AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAJOR THIS.

WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SOLVE ANY APPOINTMENTS.

ANYBODY NEEDS TO MAKE HER, I NEED TO MAKE ONE FALLING WHITE MUST BE, BE APPOINTED TO THE PLAN.

AGAIN.

OKAY.

WE DO.

I THOUGHT, HEY, I SAID WE DIDN'T MAP TO VOTE ON APPOINTMENTS LIKE THAT LAST WEEK.

OKAY.

WELL ALL IN FAVOR, SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

NOW BARELY MAKE THE MOST OF THE JURY COME UP TO YOU ALL IN FAVOR.

SAY AYE.