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          GREAT. 
          WE'LL OPEN THE MEETING AND WE'LL HAVE A PRAYER BY THE REVEREND DENNIS WIGS AND THEN BRUCE CAMPBELL FREE WILL BAPTIST CHURCH SPRING OUR FATHER. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR THE FREEDOM TOGETHER TOGETHER IN THIS MEETING THIS EVENING TO SEEK YOUR BLESSING ON THIS MEETING AND THESE LEADERS, OUR CITY, WE THANK YOU LORD FOR YOUR SPECIAL PROTECTION AND YOUR BLESSINGS UPON US DURING THE RECENT HURRICANES AND STORMS, WATCHING OVER US IN SPITE OF THE DAMAGE TO OUR CITY IN SO MANY WAYS, WE THANK YOU, LORD THAT ALIVE AND NOT LOST, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN LOST DURING THOSE TERRIBLE STORMS. YOU PROBABLY DO A LOT FOR YOUR PROTECTION IN DAYS AND YEARS TO COME. 
          IT IS OUR PRAYER FATHER THAT THESE LEADERS OF OUR CITY WILL SEEK YOUR DIRECTION AND YOUR BLESSING UPON THEIR WORK. 
          AS THEY GIVE LEADERSHIP TO THIS GREAT CITY. 
          WE DO THINK WE HAVE A NEW FATHER FOR THE FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY, FOR THE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP. 
          EVEN THE FREEDOM OF TRAVELING TO THIS MEETING THIS EVENING TONIGHT WITH THAT EVENING CHECKPOINTS AND THE WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY OF CARRYING ON DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES IN THESE DATES, WE DO THE PLAY BOARDS, YOUR RICHEST BLESSINGS UPON THIS CITY. 
          AS WE LOOK ON THE YOUTH OF THE GODDESS AND THE STREETS WE NEED, WE PRAY IN JESUS NAME AND FULL HIS STUDY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I'LL TELL YOU THAT A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BROUGHT ME BACK AND WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL RIGHT NOW, WE'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE POP WARNER FOOTBALL TEAM THAT WENT INTO CHARLOTTE AND BROUGHT A LOT OF PRIDE ON THE CITY. 
          IN FACT, UH, I SUPPORT THE POP WARNER TEAMS BECAUSE I THINK THEY JUST A TREMENDOUS THING FOR YOU. 
          UH, I'LL GOING OUT EVERY YEAR AND SEEING THEM WHEN THEY, THEY START OFF AND IT AMAZES ME JUST HOW GOOD THEY REALLY ARE. 
          I MEAN, SOMEBODY IS REALLY, I'M A FOOTBALL FAN AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THEY REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND MAKE ME GOT SOME REAL TALENT THAN THEY ARE ORGANIZED. 
          UH, ALL OF THEM CAN OUTRUN ME, WHICH IS NOT SAYING A WHOLE LOT, BUT, UH, THEY'RE REALLY GOOD PLAYERS. 
          THE MOST AMAZING THING IS THE GROWING PEOPLE, UH, THAT ARE OUT THERE AND GIVING THEM GUIDANCE AND TAKING CARE OF THEM AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE LEARNING THE RIGHT STUFF. 
          AND I TELL YOU, I COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD OF THE TEAM AND THE CHEERLEADERS AND THE, UH, THE GROWNUPS TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT BECAUSE TIME IS, I'VE SAID MANY TIMES IS THE MOST PRECIOUS THING. 
          ALL OF US HAVE, ESPECIALLY THE OLDER WE GET. 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE DOING. 
          IF IS ANTIBODY AS A SPOKESMAN THAT WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT WENT ON AND SO FORTH. 
          AND OKAY. 
          UH, BASICALLY WE PICKED UP 14 WERE PICKED OUT OF STATE CAROLINA, DISSIPATE, THIS BIRD, SAN ANGELO, UH, ONE TEAM FOR THE WEST PART OF STATE RALEIGH AREA AND THE EASTERN PART STATE, AND WE'VE ELECTED THE CHOSEN TO PLAY. 
          AND WE FIRST PLAYED ON THE SEPTEMBER 14TH. 
          UH, THERE WAS TWO GAMES HELD IN CHARLOTTE. 
          WE PLAYED A TEAM, UH, UH, THE NAME OF, I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL PALE OFF CHARLOTTE, THE CHARGES, WE BEAT THEM AT THE EVENTS TO THE SERVE PROTOCOL, 
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WHICH WAS WHOLE HILL, OCTOBER THE 13TH IN CHARLOTTE AT HALF TIME OF THE PATH, WAS THAT THE RAMS GAME, UH, THEY DID THE CROWD SURPRISED THE KIDS. 
          UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT ABOUT BY THE CROWD? WE CAME OUT AND PLAYED FOR THE DECENT, UH,  SCHOOL, BUT, UH, I THINK A VERY REWARDING TRIP FOR THE PLAYERS STAY OUT. 
          AND THE VOLUNTEERS THAT WE HAVE WITH US, I ALSO MENTIONED TOO THAT, UH, PICKERS WOULD BE MAD IF I DIDN'T. 
          I WAS JUNE THE NICOTINE INVOLVES TWO. 
          IF WE HAVE TWO TEAMS, UH, THIS TEAM IS CURRENTLY FIVE AND NO, UH, AND THE OTHER TEAM IS FOUR THOUGH. 
          UH, WE PUT IN WILMINGTON, UH, THIS TO COME AND SEE THEIR, UM, TALENT WE HAVE. 
          AND THE TIME THAT YOU PUT IN WITH THIS TEAMS, UH, SHOWING THE RESULTS OF SHOWING IT AND FIREWALL SHOW OUR APPRECIATION FOR YOUR HEALTH. 
          WE HAVE A SMALL GIFT FOR EACH ONE OF YOU THAT WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD TAKE IT. 
          MS. RICE, WE HAD THE SHIRTS THAT TO SEE THE GIRLS WE WERE ON. 
          UH, WE HAD MADE BEFORE WE WENT TO SHOWERS, UH, AND BOARDS AND WITH DIFFERENT FELLOWS HAVE DIFFERENT  ON THE DAY. 
          BUT, UH, WE LET ME TAKE THIS LITTLE MOVEMENT UNTIL HOPEFULLY THE SIZE OF UH, THE MEN STARTS TO REALLY, YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE THE DATE AND TIME HERE AND IT WAS HARD EVERY DAY. 
          IT WAS POP WARNER. 
          ONE THING I LIKED ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT MADE ME DO A GREAT AGGRAVATION. 
          SO WE HAVE TO KEEP A LOT OF PAPERWORK INVOLVED WITH HIS BOSS REPORT ON EACH AND EVERY CHILD WE HAVE TO SEND OFF TO THE NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS. 
          UH, SO, UH, IT'S UH, A LOT OF IT COMES OUT OF HIS PROBLEM. 
          ONE, AS WE SAID IN SPANISH, UH, THIS YEAR WE, WE, WE LOST EVERYTHING TO THIS TEAM LAST YEAR. 
          EVERYBODY ENDED UP TO THE OTHER TEAM, BUT, UH, THESE GUYS, UH, IF YOU GET A CHANCE, HOW LONG GAME IS NOVEMBER THE NIGHT WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE, OUR BIGGEST GAMES OF THE YEAR, UH, WITH BOTH WITH, UH, MOYER CITY TRIP. 
          AND WE LOOK FOR, WITH GAMES, WE PLAY ALL OUR OWN GAMES, ROLL C FIELDS, MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND THE YOUTH ALL THE TIME, THE FIRST GAME YOU, I THINK  BUT, UM, THAT'S BASICALLY, THEY'VE BEEN, WE APPRECIATE HIS TIME. 
          RICHARD. 
          I GOT ONE MORE. 
          ONE QUESTION IT'S IS BERNARD, GEORGIA CULTURAL OR CHILE. 
            UH, WHAT WE DID THE FIRST GAME AND SAW   WRAP UP  AND HE'S NOT GOING TO DO THE POLE  
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I SAW THIS WEEKEND THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS, BUT ONE OF THE REAL FAMOUS PRO PLAYERS MENTIONED THAT HE PLAYED POP WARNER. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WHEN HE CAME UP THROUGH THE RANKS, PRETTY AMAZING. 
          WHO'S WHO'S THE COACH. 
          HEY, COACH, STAND UP NAMES. 
          UH,  WITH G  WHEN WE GO DOWN THE HIGHWAY ON SARAH, LESLIE TO PARENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW ABOUT THE TEAM? LET'S SAY I'M STAYING. 
          WHERE ARE THEY? I MAY ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          ALL THE CHEERLEADERS GIRLS I WAS GOING TO TELL HIM THE GIRLS, UH, ALL OVER WHEN THE BOYS GROW UP AND THEY GET TO BE MY AGE OR OLDER AND THEY SAY, YEAH, I PLAYED FOOTBALL. 
          THAT MEANS SOMETHING. 
          BUT WHEN THE GIRL, WHEN A GUY SAYS MY WIFE WAS A CHEERLEADER, THAT REALLY MEANS SOMETHING  REALLY, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY HOW PROUD WE, ALL OF THE EFFORTS YOU WERE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU WHEN YOU WERE DOING WHATEVER YOU WOULD DO WITH IT. 
          I CAN'T EXPLAIN. 
          GO DOWN AND SHAKE THEIR HAND. 
          AND THEY WENT OUT FOR THAT. 
          I GUESS WE'VE DONE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          HEY, I NEED A BASS WELDER UP FOR SOME REASON. 
          Y'ALL DID GOOD. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE WAS IN THE HIGH SCHOOL DRILL TEAM AND IT'S AMAZING THAT I CAN SEE HER RIGHT TO THIS DAY. 
          AND THAT WASN'T YESTERDAY, WHEN I SEE THE HIGH SCHOOL, REAL TEAM GIRLS, THOSE KIDS ARE HAVING A GOOD TIME AT 20 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          THEY WON'T REMEMBER A SCHOOL, BUT THEY REMEMBER COMING UP HERE TONIGHT AND THEY REMEMBER GOING TO CHARLOTTE AND JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WHAT MAKES IT GROWING UP A WHOLE LOT BETTER? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I DO A GOOD JOB. 
          MAYBE ANYBODY THAT HADN'T GONE OUT THERE AND SEEN HOW THEY OPERATE AS THE KIND OF THING TO ME THAT, UH, EVERY TIME YOU WATCHED THE NEWS AT NIGHT AND ALL THAT, AND SEE ALL THE TERRIBLE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALL OVER THE 
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PLACE AND GET DEPRESSED. 
          AND THEN YOU SEE THAT, THAT THE IN AMERICA AND THE GOOD THINGS THAT REALLY ARE STILL OUT THERE. 
          AND THAT'S GOOD FOR ME ANYWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE SEWER UPDATE BY THE CITY ENGINEER GOT SICK, UH, TREATED A TOTAL OF 144 MILLION GALLONS IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER. 
          A LOT OF THAT WOULD YOUR BRAINSTORMS MAXIMUM TREATED IN ANY ONE? GIVEN DAY WAS 7.6 MILLION GALLON TODAY 4.5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. 
          VOD EFFICIENCY WAS AROUND 1% ARE SUSPENDED. 
          SOLIDS EFFICIENCY WAS 85% IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR PHOSPHORUS REMOVAL FOR ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH. 
          THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PERMIT IS ON SEPTEMBER 9TH. 
          WE HAD ANOTHER LOAD. 
          THE, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE INFLUX OF ALL THE RAIN FROM THE HURRICANE, IT WAS MEASURED AT 4.5 MILLIGRAMS PER LITER, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE CURRENT RIVER DEAL WAS, UM, WE MAY OR MAY NOT RECEIVE THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION CONCERNING THAT. 
          ALSO I'VE GOT A BUSINESS FROM, FROM LAST MONTH, THE DRAINAGE STUDIES THAT WAS ASKED TO LOOK INTO, UM, ALONG THE DRIVE, UH, CONSIDERED THAT, AND THERE'S A 24 INCH PIPE THAT, UH, MERGES WITH ANY DITCH THAT HAS A, WOULD IT FOREVER EQUIVALENT TO ANOTHER 24 INCH PIPE. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO FORCE ALL THAT WATER THROUGH THE 18 INCH COLA IS THE PROBLEM. 
          THEY'RE THE ONES WITH THE LONG SIDE OF THE CHURCH DOWN ALONG YOUR DRIVE THAT IS JUST INADEQUATE TO HANDLE THE FLOW. 
          AND NOT JUST ON THIS TOOLBAR, I'M SURE, UH, THE AREA WHERE THE FIELD  FLOWS ON THROUGH, UH, OVER TO KAREN DRIVE AND IN THAT AREA, AND THIS IS ALL PART OF THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM. 
          UM, THE 18 INCH PIPE IS JUST INSUFFICIENT TO CARRY THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT COMES THERE. 
          THERE IS A DRAIN JOB IN THE BACKYARDS OF TWO RESIDENTS OVER THERE. 
          ONE IN PARTICULAR, UM, THE WATER BACKS UP AT THIS INTERSECTION GOING INTO THIS 18 INCH STORM DRAIN AND JUST FLOODS HIS BACKYARD. 
          THE ONLY REMEDY YOU CAN HAVE THERE IS TO INSTALL A SECOND FIVE VERSUS FISH DIAMETER AND CARRY THE WATER. 
          AND THAT, UM, I STILL HAVEN'T DONE A DRAINAGE STUDY ON DOWN THE CHANNEL. 
          DOES IT MAY BE THAT THAT IS ONLY A PART OF THE PROBLEM. 
          IT MAY BE A WHOLE RANGE SYSTEM IN THAT AREAS AND UPDATED, AND WE REALLY NEED A DRAIN OF STUDY OF THE WHOLE NUMBER RATHER THAN, THAN JUST PICKING CERTAIN PARTICULAR AREAS AND TRYING TO FIX THOSE REALLY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE WHOLE STREAM. 
          UH, THE OTHER AREA THAT I LOOKED AT WAS, UM, HARVARD WIDE OR TOO COLD, THE SACKS THAT FLOOD THERE'S HEAVY RAIN THERE. 
          UM, I DID A SURVEY AND FOUND THAT THE BOTTOM OF THE DITCH THAT, UH, DRAINS IN TO CALL THE SAKS IS ACTUALLY, UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE STREET. 
          LOVE. 
          WE HAVE A ONE FOOT RISE IN THOSE DITCHES BEHIND THE APARTMENTS AND THE WATER HAS NOWHERE TO GO ON THE STREETS. 
          BASICALLY. 
          UH, I LOOKED AT A 30 INCH CULVERT AND IT APPEARED THE DRYNESS SYSTEM WAS SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE THE WATER, BUT AS I BEGAN LOOKING AT IT, THERE'S A 30 INCH PIPE HAS BEEN LAID BEHIND THE SUBDIVISION THAT THERE IS ARISE THAT YOU BASICALLY HAVE NO FALL FOR ALMOST 700 FEET OF PIPE. 
          UH, EVENTUALLY DISCHARGES, UH, IN BEHIND, UH, UH, GREENBRIAR BETWEEN GREENBRIAR AND, UM, KENDRA CAME DRUNK. 
          AND, UH, THE ONLY WAY THAT I KNOW THAT WE COULD BEGIN TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM, MR. RELAY THAT 30 INCH LINE, YOU COULD ACTUALLY LOWER IT ABOUT NINE INCHES. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF NOT ENOUGH ALL THE ONE FROM THE STREET TO THE DITCH. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE A RISE OF 18 INCHES OF WATER, WHICH IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE IN THAT DITCH, YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM YOU GOT NOW JUST WOULD TAKE A LITTLE LONGER FOR IT TO GET TO THAT PARTICULAR POINT. 
          AGAIN, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO A COMPLETE STUDY ON THAT DRAINAGE AREA. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, 
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OH, UH, ASK, UH, RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES TO GIVE ME A BALLPARK ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO DO, UH, ADRENALINE STUDY OF THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          AND, UM, RANDY WAS AWARE THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, UH, RANDY GOLDEN, ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS OF RIVERS AND ASSOCIATES WAS AWARE THAT AT ONE TIME THERE HAD BEEN A PROPOSAL FOR ENGINEERS, UH, AND THEY GAVE AN ESTIMATE OF ABOUT $275,000 INTO THE DRAINAGE STUDY, UH, FOR THE CITY OF LITERATE AND RIVERS WAS ASKED TO GIVE, UH, AN ESTIMATE AT THAT TIME. 
          AND HE JUST BASICALLY SAID THAT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A GOVERNMENT'S MONEY VERSUS A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, HE SAID HE COULDN'T BE DEEP AND UNDERSTAND THE NURSING. 
          THERE'VE BEEN SOME APPLICATIONS MADE TO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THAT. 
          I'M NOT AWARE OF ALL THE BACKGROUND, YOU'D BE SAYING WE MADE APPLICATION TO THE CORE ENGINEER, DAN, AGAIN, IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, OR REALLY AS A CONVERSATION WITH DANNY AND THERE WAS A GRANT AND I DON'T WANT ALL THAT PARTICULAR, UM, WHERE I'VE HAD SOME RECENT CONVERSATIONS WITH DANNY ABOUT IT, ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY IT IS AND WHERE ALL THE PIECES OF MONEY I SUPPOSE TO COME FROM AND WHERE SOME OF THEM MAY BE STUCK HERE AND THERE. 
          AND I'M WORKING RIGHT NOW TO SHOW YOU THE LOOSE. 
          SO, UH, YES, A PRIORITY. 
          I KNOW OF ALL OF US TO, UH, TO FIX THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AND NUMEROUS AND, AND, AND THE WAY TO DO IT HAS GOT TO BE THAT OVERALL STEADY OR ELSE WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE RUNNING LARGE BIKES. 
          AND THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW, A SMALL PIPES, LARGE PIPES OR WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, IT'S LIKE PUTTING, LITERALLY PUTTING YOUR FINGERS IN THE THUMBS AND THE DIKE. 
          I KNEW THAT STORY WAS GOING TO COME IN HANDY WHEN THEY TAUGHT ME IN THE FOURTH GRADE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOW I KNOW, BUT WE WILL FIND THE MONEY AND WE WILL FIX IT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, WHEN THE WORD INFRASTRUCTURE WAS, WAS THOUGHT UP, I GUESS IT'S WORN OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT WAS THOUGHT OUT MANY YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. 
          MM HMM. 
          AND, UH, OURS IS PRETTY ANTIQUATED. 
          I JUST KNOW THIS STUFF IS TALKING ABOUT NIGHT IS, IS IN MY WARD, BUT IT'S JUST NOT. 
          AND YOU ARRIVE IN THIS. 
          IT'S JUST NOT THE SIX WARD. 
          IT HAPPENS IN ALL THE WARDS, ALL OVER TOWN. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT TO START FROM THE CENTRAL POINT. 
          THE CENTRAL POINT IS GOING TO BE THAT STUDY. 
          WE'VE GOT TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. 
          AND THEN WE CAN START TAKING THE STEPS BECAUSE I KNOW THE DRAINAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, GOES INTO BIG DITCHES SOMEWHERE, BUT, UH, WE'VE PUSHED US STUFF IN ADICHIE. 
          THEY CAN'T CARRY IT OUT OF TOWN. 
          WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH OUR STORM RUNOFF SHORTLY TO TREAT IT BEFORE WE PUT IT IN THE RIVERS. 
          I KNOW IT'S COMING, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS LEGISLATION  I WOULD ANTICIPATE AS THEY FORMULATE THAT IT WILL BE A PROGRESSIVE STEP DOWN TO THE SMALL, THIS, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, CAN GET INTO SOME OF THESE NEW FUNDS THAT THE STATE GOVERNMENT'S PUTTING TOGETHER TO TRY TO ALLOCATE SOME MONEY TO DO THE SURVEYS TO GET STARTED. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC IS USED TO PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO STEADY IT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO STEADY IT. 
          AND THAT REALLY ENDS UP. 
          NOTHING HAPPENS. 
          WELL, WE'VE GOT IN THIS CASE, THIS STUDY IS THE BEGINNING OF FIXING IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A RECIPE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE THE CAKE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE STUDY IN THIS CASE WILL NOT JUST BE A STUDY. 
          IT'LL ACTUALLY BE A PLAN IN THE SENSE THAT IT'LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO FIX IT. 
          WHAT'S WRONG, WHICH DIRECTION TO GO IN TO FIX IT. 
          AND THEN WE CAN FIX IT. 
          I ALSO WANT TO TAKE AND PUT A PLUG IN FOR THE GIS SYSTEM. 
          AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WAS AT THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CIVIL ENGINEERS MEETING. 
          AND THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THERE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE CAPABILITIES OF GIS. 
          YOU HAD TO EXPLAIN WHAT GIS GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM THAT HAS A MULTITUDE OF MAPS AND LAYERS ON IT THAT CAN BE TIED TO DATABASES. 
          SO SOMEBODY IN PLANNING, IT'S A KEY IN THE OFFICE. 
          IT PULLS UP KEY SCREENS FROM THEM. 
          AND IT'S JUST A LARGE DATABASE THAT IS TIED TO GEOGRAPHIC POINTS, WHICH ARE CONTROLLED BY SATELLITE. 
          AND THEY CAN PULL UP INFORMATION ABOUT A LOT. 
          THEY CAN QUERY IT AND SAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS AREA THAT MADE $40,000 A YEAR AND HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DRAINAGE OR HAVE SO MANY SQUARE FOOT IN THEIR HOUSE, JUST QUERY FOR ALL KINDS OF THAT. 
          OF COURSE, YOU'VE GOT TO ACCUMULATE ALL THIS DATA, PUT IT IN. 
          AND THAT'S THE LENGTHY PROCESS. 
          UM, A MINIMUM OF THREE TO FIVE YEARS WAS GIVEN TO, TO JUST DEVELOP 
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A DATABASE FOR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS AT THIS PARTICULAR CONFERENCE. 
          BUT THIS DATABASE WAS THEN IN CHARGE OF USER. 
          THE TOPOGRAPHY WAS, WAS TAKEN FROM THE UFG S AND L LONG SURVEY DATA, VARIOUS DITCHES AND CROSS-SECTIONAL AREAS. 
          AND HE ACTUALLY SHOWED US EITHER DURING THIS PLAN OR BY THE CITY OF CHARLOTTE, FROM THE GIS SYSTEM WITHOUT THAT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE GI IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION, TAKES A LOT OF HARDWARE, A LOT OF A LOT, BUT IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING PUT ON TWO COMPUTERS IN ONE SORT OR ANOTHER SEEMS LIKE GIS IS GOING TO BE THE INFORMATION CENTRAL INFORMATION GATHERING STATION FOR MOST OF THE MUNICIPALITIES. 
          AND THAT WAS TREMENDOUS CAPABILITIES  WELL, HOW DOES IT, HOW DOES THE CORE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THEY JUST PHYSICALLY GO OUT AND RESEARCH AND LOOK, AND TEST OR WHAT? WELL, IT ALL STARTS WITH A LOT OF SURVEYING AND THERE ARE DATA POINTS ALL AROUND THE CITY THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO USE. 
          AND TIME TO BENCHMARKS ARE CALLED USBS MARKERS. 
          PLUS ANY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE SEVERAL OFF OF THE USBS MARKER, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SERVE IT SO FAR AND FIND OUT WHAT POINT ELEVATION IS ON ELEVATION. 
          WE HAVE THOSE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE CITY WHERE WE'VE BEEN DOING SURVEY BENCHMARKS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, YOU WOULD START FROM THERE AND BEGIN TO BREAK IT UP INTO DRAINAGE. 
          BASINS, FIND OUT WHERE YOUR DRAINAGE BASIN IS WRAPPED, AND YOU CAN GO TO DRAIN BASINS. 
          AND YOU STARTING WITH THE BOLT ON GRAPHY INSIDE THAT AREA, YOU WOULD TAKE ONE OF PHOTOS, HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS AREA, HOW MUCH OF IT IS VISITATION AND TERMINATE ONE-OFF COST ISSUE. 
          FROM THERE, YOU WOULD RUN INTO AN ENGINEERING QUESTION THAT DRAWS A LITTLE HYDROGRAPHIC TELLS YOU HOW FAST IT GETS FROM CERTAIN POINTS ALONG THE DRAINS, BASICALLY. 
          AND THEN YOU'VE GOT AN EXIT OUT OF THE BASIN THAT YOU DESIGNED FROM THERE, BACKWARDS BASEBALL, FLOAT, JUST THINKING MONEY. 
          WE JUST, I THINK DAVID JUST DID THE SURVEY. 
          THAT WAS AMAZING. 
          WE'VE WORKED THE BIRD PROBABLY FIVE STRAIGHT DAYS, JUST DO A SURVEY. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED GETTING INTO THE ENGINEERING. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COST. 
          WHAT'S THE, JUST GIVE ME A QUICK IDEA. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WOULD COST FOR THAT SYSTEM? FOR A GIS SYSTEM? THE HARDWARE, THE HARDWARE IS NOT THE HARDWARE IS NOT THE PROBLEM WITH THE SYSTEM. 
          IN FACT, SOME OF THE ARTICLES I'VE READ ABOUT IT. 
          IT SAYS HARDWARE IS ABOUT 20% OF THE COST. 
          THE REAL COST IS MAINTAINING THE DATABASE AND THAT'S A CONTINUING COST. 
          AND IT'S HIGH INTENSITY FOR A HIGH TECH LABOR. 
          A LOT OF THIS ALONG THE LABOR, VALENCIA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT IS USED TO BE, GET IT IN THERE AND GET EVERYTHING CORRECT. 
          AND THEN IN THREE YEARS, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW SOME FAKERS, BECAUSE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD CAN HELP THE CITY AND GIVE US INFORMATION QUICKER AND EASIER. 
          WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WANTS TO PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING CAN TAKE THE INFORMATION, THEY CAN KNOW WHAT KIND OF DRAINAGE WE NEED THEN INSTEAD OF BUILDING PLACES THAT DON'T DRAIN. 
          NOW, THIS STUFF IS IN THE EMBRYONIC STAGE. 
          DO I BELIEVE? YES, SIR. 
          YES. 
          ARE WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE WATER AND SEWER DATA FOR APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'LL OVER A YEAR AFTERWARDS. 
          AND, UM, WE GOT ABOUT 95% OF THE SYSTEM. 
          IT'S PROBABLY BETWEEN 85 TO 90% ACCURATE. 
          AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE DOING SENDING THE MAPS OUT EVERY TIME THAT THEY GET ON THE GROUND, WE'RE GATHERING INFORMATION  BUT DAVID, WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, I'M GOING TO BE CONTACTING YOU TOMORROW BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU AND DANNY TO, UH, GO TO SOME ERRORS AND PREMARIN THAT HAVE BEEN HAVING A DRAINAGE PROBLEMS SINCE THE STORM AND IN ONE AREA, THE GENTLEMAN WAS, THE GENTLEMAN WAS TELLING ME THAT THERE WAS A CALL THAT WAS COVERED UP. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO EITHER ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM OR, OR JUST ALLEVIATE IT IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING AT ALL. 
          BUT I'LL CALL YOU TOMORROW. 
          MR. MAYOR I DO KNOW DAN HAS GOT TREMENDOUS CLEANUP JOB. 
          I'VE BEEN NOTICING IT JUST FROM THE FLOODING AND EVERYTHING FROM THE HURRICANE AND ALL THE DEBRIS THAT HAS BEEN GETTING TO THE DIGITS. 
          PEOPLE 
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OWN BETTER. 
          THEY TAKE YOUR SCRATCH AND THERE'S A LOT OF LANDS IN BLOWN IN DITCHES. 
          JUST ABOUT EVERY COLOR. 
          IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT IT AFTER THE RAIN IS GONE SUBSIDE, THERE'S A PILE OF TRASH. 
          I DON'T EVEN THINK DANNY'S GOT LARGE SCALE JOB, LOTS OF LITTLE FOLDERS ALL AROUND THE CITY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT MAYBE SPEED UP THE CAT PROBLEM. 
          WE HAVE CONTINUOUS WRITING NEEDED SPECIAL KIND OF ATTENTION. 
           I THINK WHILE WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT NEEDS TO REALIZE THAT SINCE JULY WAS THAT BY 67, THE GROUNDWATER IS, UH, UM, I NEED A FEW TO GET UP AND MAKE A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE I'LL GET, SO I GET SO MANY COMPLAINTS AND PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT GET A, GET ON A MICROPHONE, MAKE A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST REALLY DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I'M TELLING THEM. 
          LOOK, GO AHEAD AND MAKE A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          I WANT THIS TO BE HEARD. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE PUBLICIZED. 
          WOW. 
          PEOPLE HAVEN'T DRAINAGE PROBLEMS SINCE THE STORM. 
          NO ONE IS WE'VE HAD 57 INCHES RANGE HAS COMPARED TO HOW MUCH AS COMPARED TO ONLY THREE INCHES A YEAR IS WHAT THE ENERGY IS IN NEWMAN. 
          I THINK IT'S ABOUT 43 INCHES PER YEAR. 
          WE'VE HAD ABOUT 60 SINCE JULY. 
          UH, THE WATER WAS UP ANYWHERE. 
          YOU DO IT WITH THE GRANTS. 
          I MEAN, WELL YEARS WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN BLESSED THAT THE RANGE KNOWN AND WHAT I'VE DONE DOWN THE DITCHES, UH, THE GROUND SOAKS UP THE GRASS. 
          THEY CAN'T. 
          SO IT'S GOT A ONE OFF OR THAT WAY. 
          EVERYTHING'S COOL. 
          UH, ALL , UH, CREATED BY THE SWIMMING POOL WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, THERE'S NOTHING THAT DOES NOT FUNCTION COUNTRY THAT, UH, THE RAIN WE HAD LAST WEEK WAS ABOUT SIX INCHES. 
          UH, I'VE HAD FOLKS ALL THE MEANTIME, WE INCREASED THE SIZE. 
          I MEAN, AGAIN,  YOU GOT A DOLLAR BREAD. 
          I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE ALL WANTED TO CALL THEM HUMANS. 
          I MEAN, THAT PLAN AGAIN FOR SOMEONE THAT WHEN MOST OF YOUR CLIENTS ARE OUR SIZE FOR 20 YEARS, AND THEN ONE QUESTION HERE, YOU SAY, IF YOU THROW ENOUGH MONEY AT IT AND PUT LARGE ENOUGH, FIVE SAM, BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THE RIVER IS 12 FEET ABOVE NORMAL, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GET RID OF WATER AND YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT WHEN I STRESSED SINCE DAY ONE AND DAVID STRESSED AND EVERYONE HERE, AND I KNOW ALL THE ONE LADY IN PREVIOUS BOARD HAD  WE NEED TO KNOW WORDSTAR YOU BOTH GET CALLS AND DAVID'S OUT THIS LITTLE THING TO DEAL WITH THIS ONE PARTICULAR SITUATION. 
          AND WHAT WE NEED IS, UH, WITH HIS OFFER THAT NOT ONLY THE STUDY THAT A DO COMPUTER MODELING OF THE STORM WATER BASIS, THEY WILL ALSO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT WAY WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ONE YOU HAD , BUT IT'S ONE THAT ALREADY IN YOUR STUDIES THAT THIS IS THE ONE YOU NEED $30 AT FIRST. 
          AND THAT'S WHY FOR ME, SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE CORPS AGREED TO PUT IT IN THERE. 
          AND I GOT A CALL FROM THEM, UH, SOMETIME IN JULY  AND THEY ADVISED THAT THEY WOULD PUT IT IN THEIR BEING, UH, CORE HAS AGREED TO FUND HALF THE PRODUCT. 
          AND IT'S A TWO TO THREE-YEAR PILOT. 
          AND I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT $275,000. 
          THEN WHAT IT IS IN TODAY'S DOLLARS IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, WHAT WE DID WAS SOFT FUNDS FROM THE STATE THROUGH  AND THE STATE AGREED. 
          IT IS A PROJECT THAT SOMETHING THAT OUGHT TO BE DONE  AND HOPEFULLY YOU HAD SOME INFLUENCE OVER THOSE FOLKS, IS THAT THE SAME 
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STATE AT THIS, THE SAME STATE THAT HAD A SELL A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          SO, PLUS THEY WERE TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW TO SPIN. 
          I THINK HE NEEDS , BUT  ROUGHLY 50,000. 
          AND THAT'S THE NEXT ISSUE IS  THE THING IS AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLAN. 
          LET ME SAY IT THIS WAY FOR THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANY DUTY WHATSOEVER. 
          THEY ALL SAY THAT SAYING IN ANOTHER WAY IS TO RESPECT. 
          THE ONLY GOVERNMENT CAN FIX THIS PROBLEM. 
          YOU AND I ASKED THE REASON PEOPLE BAND TOGETHER AND FORM A GOVERNMENT. 
          SO WE HAVE TO FIX IT AND I'LL TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO GO AFTER THE, LIKE I TOLD YOU THE OTHER DAY TO GO AFTER THE NECESSARY FUNDS TO GET THE STUDY, I'LL SUCCEED OR FAIL ON THAT ONE. 
          SO Y'ALL CAN PUT THE HAMMER ON ME, BUT AS FAR AS, UH, FIXING IT AFTER, BUT I THINK THE BOARD HAS A DUTY IF I END THE MONEY. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT ONLY THE BASKETBALL, BUT IT NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU'VE GOT FIVE APPARENT DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, THEN AFTER A STUDY, ONE GUY MIGHT SAY TO YOU, HEY, THE FIFTH, WHEN YOU WERE GOING TO FIX WHAT CAUSED THREE OF THOSE TO DISAPPEAR, BECAUSE IT TIES IN OVER HERE. 
          AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE INSTEAD OF JUST GOING SOMEWHERE AND DIGGING UP A BUNCH OF STUFF AND LAY IN A PIPE AND THEN GUESS WHAT IT DOESN'T WORK. 
          OR IT'S DUMPED IN ON SOME GUYS OVER HERE. 
          I MEAN, WE, AIN'T GOING TO ASK JUST, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          I CAN'T WORK. 
          BUT EVEN WITH THAT, AS WE GET SOME WINE, WE'VE HAD THIS THAT'S RIGHT, BUT MURPHY'S LAW AND OLD LORD, IT WORKS LIKE THE 80 20 RULE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          IF I STOOD OUT HERE AND SAID, THERE'LL BE NO MORE HURRICANES FOR 30 YEARS, IT'D BE ONE NEXT WEDNESDAY. 
          SO THE BEST WAY WE CAN PREPARE FOR A DRAINAGE SITUATION HAS GONE GET THE STEADY AND LAY THE PIPE AND THEY WON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE. 
          IT IS. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE THING THAT'S POSITIVE ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE EVEN CONSIDERING ASKING SOMEONE ELSE WITH A STUDY AND TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          EVEN THOUGH WE REALIZE THAT AND BELIEVE ME, I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY WHO'S COMPLAINING. 
          WE REALIZE THE , WE KNOW WHERE OUR RESPONSIBILITY ENDS, BUT IT'S FRUSTRATING TO THEM. 
          AND SO WHAT THEY KNOW TO DO IS TO CALL THE MAYOR ON AN ORDER, ON A CRIME, TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION. 
          AND I THINK THEY'RE FORCED TO BE RESPONSIVE AND SYMPATHETIC TO THE FACT THAT THAT PEOPLE REALLY HAVE GENUINE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          BUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW, AND WE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOOK AT THAT, SOME PEOPLE CAME INTO MY HOUSE THE OTHER DAY AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW, SHOULD WE CIRCULATE A PETITION? AND I SAID, WELL, WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU NEED TO ENFORCE SOME CONCERNS AND YOU THINK THAT WRITING A PETITION IS A WAY THAT YOU WANT TO VOICE IT, THEN BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE DO SOMETHING. 
          ALL OF THAT ALL MEANS COME TO THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, BUT, AND THEN THE MAYOR AND THE VOLUME, AND THEN THE STAFF CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO. 
          AND MAYBE WHO KNOWS. 
          YOU HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS AS TO HOW YOU'RE DOING IT. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE THOSE OF US HERE IN THE CITY OF SAYING, LET US DO THAT. 
          AND GOD, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THING. 
          SO WE'LL JUST ADDRESS THEM. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY VERY GOOD. 
          SO  EVERY TIME WE KNOW WE HAVE ABOUT 10 PLACES THAT WE KNOW AND YOU CAN'T MAKE MONEY SCHOOL. 
          I LOOK TO TWO GENTLEMAN CAME TO SEE ME LAST WEEK WITH DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. FUNNY BAR WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT THEY, WHERE THEY LIVE OUT OF THE GRAIN IS PROBLEM. 
          AND THEY KNEW HOW TO FIX IT. 
          I SAID, WELL, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. 
          THIS MAY COME AS A SHOCK, BUT MAYORS, PRESIDENTS, GOVERNORS, ALL THESE PEOPLE AT A TITLE, WHICH I'M ONE OF THEM. 
          WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING. 
          IN FACT, SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. 
          I SAID, IF YOU DON'T MIND GO HOME, YOU TWO GUYS TAKE A PIECE OF PAPER, DRAW IT OUT. 
          AND WHAT YOU THINK THE SOLUTION IS, BRINGING IT BACK TO ME. 
          AND WE WILL GO SEE THE LITTLE BIT WHERE IT'S DIRECTED AGENT HERE IN THE CITY AND THEY GOING TO DO IT NOW, HAVE THEY GOT THE ANSWER? I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT THE THING IS THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND THEY DO IT. 
          HEY, WE NOTICE A PROBLEM B, WE'RE GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM AND SEE IF THERE'S A BANDAID WE CAN PUT ON IT WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE OVERALL PRODUCT. 
          WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT IT ON IT. 
          BUT WE CAN'T. 
          IT WAS 
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JUST A BUNCH OF THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          BUT THE SAD PART IS MOST PEOPLE WHO SEE THAT BUT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S DOWN THE LINE. 
          HOWEVER, WE CAN ASSUME AFTER WE HEAR WHAT THEY SAY TO SOLUTION AND NUMBER TWO, WE'LL TELL THEM THE EXPLANATION, IF THAT'S WHAT THE THING IS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO, MAX, I THINK YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 
          I CAN'T SEE THIS. 
          I DON'T LIKE JUMPING. 
          WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO PAY? JUST, JUST FOR COMPARISON, A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION, UH, THE WHAT 61 INCHES OF RAIN. 
          WE SAID THE WELLS FOR EACH ACRE OF LAND IN THE CITY OF THE NEW, OF NEW THAT 61 INCHES OF RAIN AND TRANSLATES INTO 1,677,744 GALLONS OF WATER ON EACH ACRE AND CONSIDER A LOT OF HOMES OR HALF ACRE. 
          LOTS. 
          YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW MUCH WATER HAS GET EACH PERSON'S LOT, BUT THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF PREVIOUS, UH, REGARDING STUDY. 
          GREAT IDEA. 
          ONE HAS BEEN DONE. 
          IT WAS DONE ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO AND IT'S TOTALLY WORTHLESS AT THIS TIME, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S A COPY STILL FLOATING AROUND IT PROJECTED. 
          IT WAS DONE BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS. 
          AND THEY PROJECTED AT THAT TIME THAT IF WE SPENT $1 MILLION ON EFFORTS TO CORRECT DRAINAGE PROBLEMS, WE COULD MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENT. 
          BUT THE STUDY SAYS, IN FACT, THAT THE PROBLEM WILL NEVER BE SOLVED BECAUSE OF THE LAY OF THE LAND, BUT IT COULD BE IMPROVED. 
          THAT PLAN IS WORTHLESS NOW, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN WETLANDS REGULATIONS AND YOU CAN'T DO WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED DOING IN THAT SPENDING. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS BASICALLY JACKSON. 
          AND WE DID HELP THAT SOMEWHAT DID HELP THAT SOMEWHAT, UH, SOME YEARS AGO, WHEN WE PUT IN THE LITTLE RETAINMENT UPON THE PUMPS THAT HELPED THAT AREA, UH, YOU MENTIONED STORMWATER RUNOFF. 
          THAT IS, THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT IS GOING TO HIT US IN THE FACE VERY HEAVILY FINANCIALLY. 
          IF THE CURRENT COURSE BEING PROPOSED BY THE GOVERNMENT CONTINUES, MOST PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE OF WHAT IS PROPOSED. 
          UH, I TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT AT A MEETING BEFORE, IN FACT, THE SUN JOURNAL AND AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT. 
          AT THAT TIME, WE DISCUSSED THAT I'M, I'M A MEMBER OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE OF THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES. 
          AND THAT IS ONE OF THEIR FIVE AREAS OF CONCERN, THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THAT BEING SO INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE FOR MANY TOWNS THAT YOU'RE JUST, THEY'RE LITERALLY POSSIBLE TO IT'S FOLLOWING BIG TOWNS. 
          SOMETIMES NOW WE'RE ALREADY HAVING TO FOLLOW THOSE REGULATIONS. 
          I KNOW THAT IF THEY'VE ALREADY PROPOSED A LITTLE LARGER PADS THAT SOONER OR LATER, THE SMALLER TOWNS LIKE NEWBURG WILL BE HIT WITH THE SAME TYPE OF THING. 
          THIS WILL BE AGAIN, ADDRESSED IN DECEMBER IF THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO STAVE OFF THE GOVERNMENT EFFORTS TO FORCE THIS DOWN OUR THROAT. 
          IT WOULD INVOLVE MONITORING EVERY POINT AT WHICH THE STORM WATER RUNOFF IS GOING INTO THE WATER. 
          IF POLLUTANTS REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL, YOU MUST TREAT THE STORM WATER ALMOST LIKE YOU WOULD WASTE WATER AT THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT. 
          AND IF YOU CAN VISUALIZE THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF RUNOFF FROM STORMS LIKE WE'VE HAD AND HAVING TO TREAT IT LIKE THROUGH A TREATMENT PLANT, IT WILL GIVE YOU SOME IDEA AS TO WHAT KIND OF EXPENSE MIGHT BE INVOLVED. 
          IF THOSE RULES ARE SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS WITHOUT CAREFULLY EVALUATING WHAT IT WOULD COST TAXPAYERS, ESPECIALLY IN A SMALLER TOWN, LIKE THE CITY OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH UPTOWN, LIKE FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA WITH A LOT OF CANALS IS JUST, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT IS JUST SUCH A SEVERE PROBLEM WITH STORMWATER RUNOFF, AS REGULATIONS AS PROPOSED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW ARE GOING TO BECOME A VERY SERIOUS SITUATION FOR POUND SOCIETY. 
          UBER IN THE FUTURE. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE ALREADY CITIES IN THIS STATE THAT ARE STARTING TO CHARGE STORM WATER FEES JUST AS YOU CHARGE WATER AND SEWER FEES TO EVERY PARCEL OF LAND IN THIS, IN THE CITY AT BASIC CHARGE FOR WHATEVER SIZE LOT THAT YOU HAVE EVERY MONTH THAT HAS TO BE PAID. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE YOUR WATERVILLE, WHAT PEOPLE THAT'S KIND OF THINGS. 
          WHAT PEOPLE TEND TO FORGET IS THAT THE CITY OF NEWBURGH HAS NO MONEY. 
          ANYTHING WE DO, WE REACH OUT AND TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET, OUT OF MY POCKET, OUT OF EVERYONE'S POCKET, EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH. 
          SO IT IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, THAT WE FIND SOME WAY TO DO THIS AS ECONOMICALLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP. 
          AND THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THIS DONE MUST UNDERSTAND IT HAS TO BE 
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PAID FOR SOME WAY. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH ONE. 
          THE NEXT THING, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, BUBBA HEARING TO CONSIDER 1997 CDBG HOUSING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, MR. MAYOR, UM, PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND AS TO WHAT THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT THE CITY IS CONSIDERING APPLYING TO THE STATE FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FOR THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, THESE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND TO ABATE ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS ON SITE TO INCREASE THE PRODUCTION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, PROJECTS THAT WE ARE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE TONIGHT IS THE SAME ONE WE WERE CONSIDERED LAST YEAR. 
          UM, THE DEVELOPERS HAD ALL DIFFICULTIES IN GETTING ALL THE SCANDALS IN AND THEN THE STATE RAN OUT OF MONEY BEFORE THEY COULD CONSIDER THIS PROJECT. 
          SO THEY'VE ASKED US TO REAPPLY IN 1997 AND WHY I SAID WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW FIRST THAT WE CONSIDER IT. 
          WE'LL BE BACK NEXT MONTH WITH MORE DETAILS ON IT. 
          AND THAT'LL BE THE SECOND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU PUT UP WITH HEARINGS, OAKLAND. 
          SO DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENT ABOUT IT? I'M TO CLOSE A PUPPET HERE. 
          NOBODY'S GOING TO COMMENT. 
          AND I HEAR A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE, I GOT THAT. 
          JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE FROM ME. 
          IT'S ALL HERE WITH YOU, MR. MA GO RIGHT HERE. 
          THIS IS THE SAME PROJECT OUT BY NEWBURN HIGH SCHOOL THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR. 
          IT'S BEEN FUNDED BY CAROLINA POWER AND LIGHT. 
          THEY'RE USING THIS BLOCK GRANT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BORROW THE MONEY FROM US AND THEN PAY US BACK. 
          AND WHICH IN TURN, WE CAN TAKE THIS MONEY AND PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. 
          SO THAT'S EVEN EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THAT SAME PRICE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THAT CLEAR. 
          YOU GOT TO GET YOUR REFRIGERATORS OUT THERE. 
          FIRST NAME WE'LL FIND I THINK, I THINK MS. MS. LEE WAS PUSHING FOR THAT, BUT YEAH, I THINK MR. WHATEVER HIS NAME GOT A LITTLE SMARTER ON, IS IT IT'S BLOCKED  STREET THAT LET ME, THERE WAS AN ORDINARY FROM KEEPING US FROM TEAR AND A HALF DOWN. 
          CORRECT JUMPED. 
          HOW LONG, HOW LONG DID THAT LAST? THE HEARING AND ALL THE 28TH, MONDAY, I TRIED TO GET IT MOVED UP A WEEK. 
          IT'S FUNNY, EXCEPT FOR HEARING THIS MONDAY MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION MAKING MONEY. 
          I TRIED TO GET IT MOVED UP THIS WEEK. 
          AND WHAT ELSE ON THE OUTER PANEL WE HAD TO THINK, WOW, WE HAVE A HEARING. 
          W WHERE WOULD IT BE GOING TO BE IN THE NEWPORT CLAYTON COUNTY COURTHOUSE? I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHEN IN COURT ANY TIME AND THEY HAVE REGULAR SCHOOL, WE HAVE SCHEDULED IT FOR BEFORE LUNCH. 
          MY SECRETARY TRIED TO GET JOHN ALMOND ALL DAY TODAY AND NEVER COULD REACH HIM SUBPOENAED BOB LEE, AS A WITNESS. 
          WE FINISHED WITH THAT ONE. 
          WE'RE DONE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SAY THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO A MAN SECTION 15 DASH TWO 16 STREET WITH SIDEWALK AND DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS AND SUBDIVISIONS AND APPENDIX C OF THE LAND USE, OR, UH, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, THE PLANNING AND INSPECTION STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND ALSO THE ENGINEERING AND ELECTRICAL UTILITIES DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH SOME STANDARDS, UH, TO REEVALUATE ACTUALLY OUR STANDARDS ON RIGHT AWAY, UH, WITH, FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE REALLY DID NOT HAVE ANY CLEAR CUT STANDARD THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO SHOW THEM WHERE WATER LINES, SEWER LINES, ELECTRICAL, UTILITY LINES, CABLE, TV LINES, UH, CAROLINA, TELEPHONE, WATER, METERS, ET CETERA, NEEDED TO BE PLACED, UH, AROUND STREETS. 
          UM, WE HAD A BRITAIN AND SAID, THESE THINGS ARE REQUIRED, BUT THERE WAS NO ACTUAL DRAWING THAT DEPICTED THIS AND A CORRESPONDING RIGHT AWAY STANDARD THAT REFLECTED ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO PUT INTO THE 
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RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO WHAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED HERE IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE ORDINANCE, THEN ADJUST OUR RIGHT AWAY REQUIREMENTS TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE UTIP, THE NECESSARY UTILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, ESSENTIALLY AS A SIMPLISTICALLY, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A SIDEWALK, WHAT YOU HAVE IS AN AREA FROM THE BACK OF THE CURB TO THE BACK OF THE CURB IS STANDARD STREET WITH, AND THEN YOU WOULD RESERVE 10 FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT FOR YOUR UTILITIES. 
          WHEN A SIDEWALK HAS TO BE INSTALLED, YOU WOULD IN ESSENCE, AT 15 FEET ON EITHER SIDE BEHIND THE BACK OF THE CURB FOR THE STANDARD, AND THIS CHART HERE REFLECTS THOSE DIMENSIONS. 
          AND AGAIN, CORRESPOND WITH THE WIDTH OF THE STREET. 
          UH, WE HAVE MET WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UH, TO GO OVER THIS STANDARD WITH THEM. 
          UM, WE DID NOT HEAR ANY, UH, VOCAL OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST. 
          I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND REALIZE THAT IT'S THE MINIMUM AMOUNT WE NEEDED, UH, UNDERTAKE MAINTENANCE OF THE UTILITIES LONG-TERM AND KEEP THEM WITH WHERE'D YOU COME UP WITH VEGAS 10 FEET, 15 FEET, IS THAT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE? UH, IT WAS BASED ON UNDERSTANDING, UM, WHERE OUR LINES NEEDED TO BE COORDINATING BETWEEN UTILITIES AND UNDERSTANDING WHEN MAINTENANCE NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE. 
          WHAT WAS THE SUFFICIENT SPACE THAT WAS NEEDED IN ORDER TO BE THE TRENCHING AND THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS TO MAINTAIN LINES OVER THE LONG HAUL, WE FELT WAS A FAIR AND REASONABLE STANDARD, AND ONE THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH OUR OBJECTIVES FOR MAINTAINING UTILITIES LONG TERM. 
          BUT HOW DOES IT COMPARE WITH, UH, IT'S CONSISTENT GENERALLY, UM, MOST OF OUR RIGHT AWAY WIDTHS, UM, WE'RE RESPONDING TO, TO AN ERA WHEN YOU HAD BASICALLY STREETS, AND THEN YOU HAD EASEMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR THESE SERVICES. 
          WHAT'S HAPPENED, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, IS THAT AREAS THAT ARE DESIGNATED ON SUBDIVISION PLANTS AS EASEMENTS TEND TO BE ENCUMBERED BY IMPROVEMENTS FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS OVER TIME, IT'S HARD TO CONTROL IT. 
          UH, PEOPLE PUT FENCES UP, THEY PLANT TREES AND BUSHES, AND THESE, THESE MAIN AREAS AS PROPERTIES CHANGE HANDS. 
          THEN WHEN WE HAVE TO GO IN AND DO MAINTENANCE, WE'RE TEARING UP PEOPLE'S BUSHES. 
          YOU ALL ARE GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE, AND WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE BAD PR AND THE COST OF HAVING TO RECLAIM THIS SLIDE TO THE CONDITION THAT IT WAS IN PRIOR TO OUR, UH, GOING IN THERE. 
          BUT HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO OTHER STATES IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR. 
          WE DID NOT DO A SURVEY OF OTHER CITIES, UM, BUT THE STANDARDS APPEAR TO BE GENERALLY REASONABLE BASED ON, UH, COMMENTS. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? HE IS RIGHT. 
          HE'S TELLING YOU YOUR ANALYSIS FROM THIS, AND IT SEEMS REASONABLE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO COMPARE US TO OTHERS. 
          WE DID NOT PER SE AS WELL, UM, PROCESS TO THAT DAY, YOU LEARN THAT IN SALES, YOU KNOW, ALL YOUR STAR TODAY. 
          NO. 
          THE ONLY REASON I AM ASKING THAT IS I TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT, WHICH IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE TO COME UP HERE BEFORE US A LOT. 
          AND, UH, THAT KIND OF THING, BUT REALLY THE, THE, I GUESS THE ONLY LITMUS TEST I HAVE AS A LAYMAN IS TO BOUNCE IT OFF THE REASONABILITY OF WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE. 
          NOT THAT WE HAVE TO BE JUST LIKE THEM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT 15 FEET AND THEY HAVE THREE FEET RIGHT THERE. 
          MATT COUNTY BRINGS ME OUT OF MY SLUMBER, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OPPOSITION HERE IN THE CITY? SO THE PROPOSED CHANGE, NOBODY, ANYBODY REALLY EXCITED FOR IT? HEY, I KNEW, I KNEW YOU HAD HAVE ANY OF THE, UH, PEOPLE WHO BUILD THESE DEVELOPMENTS, BUT CONSULTANT AS TO HOW THIS WILL AFFECT THEM. 
          CAN WE GET A REPORT ON THAT? YES. 
          UH, AS I STATED EARLIER, WE ASKED THAT WE HAD MET, UM, WITH, UH, FRANK CREIGHTON, UH, WHO SHOULD WE CALL BACK WHEN WE WERE DOING THE LAND USE ORDINANCE SORT OF BECAME THE DESIGNATED SPOKESPERSON FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. 
          I FAX THIS INFORMATION TO HIM, MET WITH HIM INDIVIDUALLY. 
          HE IN TURN, UH, SPREAD THE WORD AROUND OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. 
          UM, CITY STAFF MET WITH, UH, SEVERAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND COULD HAVE A CALL WHO WAS GOING TO BE THE NEW PRESIDENT OF THAT ASSOCIATION AND TALK WITH THEM. 
          WE HAD ABOUT THREE, UH, DEVELOPERS HERE WHO MET WITH US. 
          I TALKED TO A FEW ADDITIONAL PEOPLE. 
          UM, SO WE TRIED TO GET THE WORD OUT AND CONCERNS AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS OKAY. 
          THEIR RESPONSE WAS, THEY UNDERSTOOD WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM AND APPEARED REASONABLE TO THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I SOMEHOW MISSED THAT BEFORE, BUT THE LAW THAT WE CALL, OKAY. 
          WE 
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DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION OR ANYTHING ELSE, ANYBODY MOVE IT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET'S US READ STUFF HERE. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE THEM LEAD A MOTION TO SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT HERE. 
          IT SAYS ROLL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU CAN CALL OFF. 
          YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          HE DIDN'T HAVE AN EXCUSE ABSENT RIGHT NOW OF A SEVEN AS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDING SECTION 15 DASH 1 29 NON-CONFORMING SIGNS. 
          SO AS TO USE TAX MAN, WHEN CONSIDERING WHETHER A NON-CONFORMING SIGNS IS DESTROYED, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT ONE? YEAH. 
          BAYLIS AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AS A RESULT OF HURRICANE BERTHA, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, SEVERAL  IN THE CITY, THEY WERE BASICALLY PHYSICALLY DESTROYED A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IN ACCORDANCE TO THE LAND TRUST. 
          SOME OF THE SIDE OWNERS COMPLY WITH THAT ORDER. 
          SOME OTHERS DECIDED TO APPEAL THAT DECISION TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          THE APPEAL WAS BASED ON FAIR MARKET VALUE, WHICH IS BASICALLY A  EXISTING CURRENT ORDINANCE STATES THAT ARE NOT PERFORMANCE SIGNS. 
          IF IT IS DAMAGED TO THE EXTENT THAT THE COST OF RESTORATIVE AND PLACING SOUND CRIMINALS, PEOPLE THAT SEE THIS BEAR MARKET. 
          WELL, THAT BASICALLY MEANT THAT THE COST OF REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT SIDE HAD TO EXCEED  CASES. 
          ESPECIALLY IF THE SITE IS LOCATED IN A HIGH TRAFFIC, VISIBLE LOCATION COULD MEAN THAT THAT SET VALUES COULD BE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES THE PLACEMENT THAT IS ABOVE THAT CENTER, WHICH ANY MPS IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE REMOVED AS YOUR INTENDED. 
          SO THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, THE PURPOSE OF THIS AMENDMENT BASICALLY IS TO REDUCE THAT MARGIN TO MAKE IT EMPOWER OTHER LOCALITIES, UH, UH, SURVEY, UH, BRUNSWICK COUNTY, RALEIGH  GOVERNMENT. 
          AND ONE OF THE BASIC STEMS THAT IS COMMON THROUGHOUT THESE AREAS IS THAT THEY USE TEXTS BACK 50% OF TAX BACK. 
          AND THIS AMENDMENT POSTED TO USE 50% DETERMINED INDEX, NOT INFORMING THE SENTENCE ON THE STORE. 
          WE HAD A COUPLE OF SIGNS THAT WERE TOTALLY DOWN ON THE GROUND. 
          AND BASED ON THE FACT THAT THESE SIGNS COULD BE REPLACED AT A COST OF FIVE, $6,000, WE HAD THEM APPRAISED BASED ON  PRAISE, UH, 15, $18,000. 
          YOU SEE, IN THOSE CASES, THOSE SIGNS WERE PERMIT ADJUSTMENT BASED ON THEIR INTERPRETATION TO REPLACE THOSE CENTS WHEN THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND IT ALL WAS CONCERNING, NOT PERFORMANCE IF HAVE, BUT YOU HAVE TESTED IT AGAINST OTHER CITIES. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO WE'RE NOT THE ODD MAN. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT IN THE AUDIENCE PRO OR AGAINST? A LOT OF CHEMOTHERAPY AND I GET A LITTLE DRY AND I DIDN'T WANT TO RUN OUT OF STEAM. 
          YOU KNOW, I HA I'M KEVIN WARD. 
          I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, NOT REPRESENTING ANYBODY AT NIGHT, AND NOW I HATE TO KIND OF TAKE IT DOWN TO THE OPTUM SIDE, GEORGE, UM, A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          ONE HAVING HEARD HE'S GOT TWO SONS, UH, FOOTBALL PLAYERS. 
          I'M SURE I'M GOING TO BE OUT OF HIS OFFICE SOMETIME, SOMETIME TO SEE IT, BUT LET ME HAND YOU WILL, UM, 
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SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, WELL, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THE EVENT OPPOSED TO THE MINIMUM BOTTOM LINE, UM, THE SIGNS OR BILLBOARDS YOU MIGHT PAUL, APPARENTLY THE DIRTY WORD IT'S ON PEOPLE TO CALCULATE. 
          NOW YOU'RE ACTUALLY AHEAD. 
          VERY FEW SIGNS HERE, YOU OVER WITH CROSS SELLING, I'M CURIOUS HAS AN AWFUL LOT OF SIGNS BECAUSE IT HAS VERY FEW SIGNS YOU WOULD RIDE AROUND AND LOOK THE SIGNS. 
          IT HAS QUIET RATES, INCREASING NUMBERS OF THE SIGNS CITY AND THE NEXT PROPERTY OUT ON 17 SOUTH ACQUIRE. 
          AS YOU APPROACH THE CITY. 
          THE ONE REASON WE HAVE VERY FEW SIGNS IS IN EXISTING ORDINANCE AND IT'S ATTACHED TO THE EXHIBIT. 
          I PASSED UP ON THE SECOND PAGE. 
          YOU CAN'T BUILD A SIGN AND YOUR FOOD TODAY IS NOT NON-CONFORMING WITH COLORS AWAY. 
          ONE IS A DRAWING. 
          YOU CAN'T FILL A ONE WITHIN 2000 FEET OF A NEW RESIDENTIAL ZONE, AND THERE'S NO PLACE IN YOU. 
          SO, AS I SAID IN HERE WITH POP UP THERE, VERY FEW, WHAT THE CITY HAS PICKED UP SOMEONE, AND QUITE FRANKLY, WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS LATER, WHEN YOU THINK THERE'S A CONCERTED POLISH ON GET RID OF MANY SIGNS AS POSSIBLE. 
          NOW SIGNS OF BENEFICIAL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          FIRST, IF YOU RIDE INTO A NEW AREA OR SOMEBODY COMING IN AND NEAR VICTIMS HERE, YOU START LOOKING WHAT ASSIGNED TO SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. 
          AND YOU START LOOKING FOR SIGNS TO SEE YOU FROM WHAT REFERENCE HE DID. 
          SO THE SHERIFF VERIFIES THE PURSE. 
          THEY BENEFIT THE LAND, SOME SIGNS TO TELL THEM ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SIGN ON THE GROUND OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT I GET AN ANNUAL RENTAL FOR WHAT  ON THIS SIDE. 
          THE TWO FACES ON ONE SIDE AND LENS, WHICH IS JUDGE CROSS. 
          HER BROTHER ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA, UM, SIGN. 
          AND I HELP OF THE LETTER THAT I SUBMITTED WHEN ALL OF THIS CAME UP, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU FROM THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THEY BENEFITED FROM THE LOCAL MARCHES, INDICATED IT HELPS TELL WHERE THE BUSINESSES ARE AND IT HELPS GET INTO THE PLACE. 
          NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE DURING WORLD WAR II AND MANY OTHER AWARDS AND TAKING THE NAME, UH, THE FIRST THING ENGLISH GAVE YOU TOOK DOWN ALL THE SIGNS WITH RANCHERS. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE NO SIGNS IN GERMANY. 
          THEY DID. 
          AND LITTLE BY LITTLE AS I SAY, THIS ORDINANCE SAYS EVERY SIGN IN YOUR, AND I'M PERFECTLY WILLING TO BE CHALLENGED ON THAT AND BE TOLD HER MOM IS A NON-CONFORMING SIGN. 
          NOW GETTING PAST, THIS IS THE REST OF THE STORY. 
          WHY ARE WE HERE? WELL, THOSE OF YOU PLAY FOOTBALL, FOOTBALL, QUITE FRANKLY, THIS IS AN APP TO MOVE. 
          IF YOU GO BACK TO THE MIDDLE OF THE FEE. 
          SO THE NEXT TIME MR. JORDAN KICKS FOOTBALL, GO GO. 
          HE LOST HIS BAG AND HE'S COMING IN AND SAY, CHANGE THE ROOM A LITTLE BIT LIKE JOHN F. KENNEDY AND FOOTBALL YEARS AGO THAT HE SAID, WHEN HE WAS PLAYING, HE WAS MAKING A RULE OR SOMEBODY WHO, HEY, THAT'S NOT. 
          HE SAID, WELL, MY FOOTBALL ROOM, WE IDEA FOR ONE PART, HE GOT BEAT. 
          WHEN I APPEAL THIS DECISION TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, YOU READ YOUR STATUTE AND SAY, NO, IT'S NOT. 
          TROY HAS DONE TO YOU. 
          SOME PICTURES. 
          AND SIMON WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS SIDE, HOT BALL, FIVE POLES. 
          AND I'M LIKE, OH, YOU BROADSIDE, POP ROCK. 
          YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, YOU'LL SEE THAT YOUR FACIALS AND STILL ON THOSE SIGNS, THE FRAMES YOU'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG. 
          WELL, WHEN MY CLIENT WHITE COAT WENT TO, MR. GEORGE SAID, I WANT TO REPLACE THE SIGN. 
          HE SAID, WON'T LET YOU DO IT. 
          THAT'S WHEN I GOT INTO IT. 
          I SAID, WHY? AND I SAID, WHY? AND I DID A REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE AND HE REFERRED ME TO THIS SECTION 15 1 29 DAYS, WHICH IS WHAT I DID. 
          AND HE SAID, THIS HAS BEEN PASSED. 
          ALL THOSE STAGES, THE REGULATION, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANGE. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          UM, IT LOOKED LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE IT, BUT I ASSUME IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PASSED WHEN THE DAUGHTER WAS CODIFIED IN THE PROPERTY, UH, 
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IN THE ORDER BEFORE. 
          AND I THINK I MADE SOME INQUIRIES IN PARTICULAR. 
          UM, MR. GEORGE CAN TELL YOU, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THIS WAS WRITTEN BY SOME PROFESSIONAL OR SOME DOCTOR, AND I DON'T THINK YOU'VE WRITTEN A, THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT IT WAS EXCEPTED LANGUAGE OF HOW, HOW SCIENCE DIRECTLY ATTENTION IS WITH TALKING ABOUT SHINE. 
          STEROID LACQUERS STARTS OFF WITH PAUL IS ACTUALLY GOT THAT THERE. 
          NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE SHINES. 
          AND AS I SAID, I LOOKED THROUGH THE ORDINANCES AS  AND I FELL, NO, I DID NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          AND AS THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MOVING YESTERDAY, THE RECOURSE I CAN DO IS IN GOING SPIRITUAL, SPIRITUAL, THE SUIT AGAINST THE CITY TO TRY TO LOSE SOMETHING THAT ACT OF GOD HAD DESTROYED MY PROFIT. 
          THE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND OTHER PEOPLE. 
          AND SO I WENT TO THE BOARD OF JUDGMENT. 
          WE HAD A HEARING, THEY LISTENED CATHOLIC. 
          I PRESENTED THE STATUTE ORDINANCE AND ALSO I HAD TESTIMONIES AND QUITE FRANKLY, ABOUT TWO THIRDS WAY THROUGH THE SIGN OF ONE OF THE SIGNS. 
          IT WAS INVOLVED CONTESTANT ON IT. 
          AND, UM, MR. GEORGE GOT UP AND HE DID THE BULLET. 
          HE SAID, AND SUBSTANCE, UM, NONE OF THE BOARD BASED ON THIS EVIDENCE AND BASED ON THE INTERPRETATION, I DON'T THINK I CAN CARRY ON. 
          AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK I'VE BEEN WITH AND, OR VOTED TO REVERSE. 
          AND THEY ALLOWED THE PERMIT. 
          NOW THAT WAS TWO OR THREE MONTHS AGO NOW. 
          UM, AND SO I THOUGHT THAT UP UNTIL THAT DAY, WHEN I READ THE NOTICE THAT WE NOW CONSIDER THE STEROID BY ANNAPOLIS,  50% OF THE TAX BASE. 
          AND, UH, SO I KINDA, YOU KNOW,  THE PEOPLE WHO GET TO COME, OR HE JUST DECIDED HE'S GOING TO CHANGE THE ROUTE. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY WE PLAY. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT EASIER. 
          THE NEXT TIME HE KILLED ONE OF MY CLIENTS OR SOMEONE ELSE. 
          AND YOU CAN'T REBUILD YOUR SIGN, THAT THE ACT GOT KNOCKED DOWN, UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW THIS POST-DOC LESS THAN 3% OF THE TAX. 
          BY SPEAKING TO TAXPAYERS, THEY GOT AN OLD TIME HOW THE STATUTE TAX LEGAL REGULATIONS AND TAX VALUES, NOT ALWAYS FAIR, BUT ANYWAY, HE WANTS TO CHANGE THE RULES. 
          AND HE'S ASKING YOU TO MOVE THAT GOAL MODE. 
          SO HE KICKS AT FOOTBALL THIS TIME WHERE HE DIDN'T PLAY. 
          NOW, I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING FOR ME OR ANYONE THAT HAS A SIGN THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE ENTITLED. 
          UM, SUPPOSE YOU HAD ASSIGNED, AND YOU HAD THIS NONCONFORMING RIGHT BACK TO, IF YOU HAD A NON-CONFORMING BUILDING AREAS OF WHEN THE HURRICANE COMES ALONG AND WIPES AND BOATS OUT, AND THEY BOTH GO INTO REPLETE. 
          NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S NOTHING IN YOUR OWN BUILDING, IN THE NON-CONFORMING AREA TO REVEAL, BUT ALL OF THE SIGNS AS HOME SIGNS OF DAMAGE, THEY WILL WORK WITH THE DELTA, NOT REFILL IT, UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW IT COSTS LESS THAN WELL, NOT ONLY THE FACT THAT JUST AIN'T RIGHT, WE DIDN'T PLAY IT THROUGH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE CITIZENS, BUT IT PROBABLY IS CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION ATTORNEY. 
          FIRST, THAT WOULD BE, THAT COULD BE AN INVERSE COMBINATION. 
          SO IF THIS HAS CHANGED SOME IDEAS , THEN THE RECOURSE WOULD BE, AS I SAY, GO THROUGH AND THEN GO IN FOR, UM, ONE QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THERE WAS NOTHING IMPROPER WITH WHAT MR. GEORGE DID, BUT, BUT, UH, BERNARD, ALL WE HEAR AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE HEARING WITH THE WATER ADJUSTMENTS, JUST, I MEAN, IT'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT YOU DID CAUSE I WOULD'VE DONE THE SAME THING IF I HAD YOUR JOB, I WOULD SAY YES, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT RECOMMENDED THAT THE ORDINANCE BE AMENDED 
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TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          THE ORDINANCE INTENT WAS TO NOT PERMIT NON-CONFORMING SIGNS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED. 
          ONCE THEY WERE SEVERELY DAMAGED BY USING FAIR MARKET VALUE, WHICH IS EXCEEDINGLY HIGH, FAIR MARKET VALUE WOULD BE THREE OR FOUR TIMES, MANY TIMES THE VALUE OF A SIDE. 
          SO IN THE END, THE NON-CONFORMING SIDE COULD CONTINUE TO BE DESTROYED AND REPLACED. 
          EVEN IF THAT SAND WITH UP, ACCORDING TO YOUR NOTES, AND YOU WOULD AGREE THAT IT IS PHYSICALLY DESTROYED. 
          WOULD YOU AGREE? YES. 
          BUT YOUR, THAT STATES THAT THE COST OF REPLACING THAT SIDE, IF IT IS LESS THAN 100% OF THE VALUE, THE FAIR MARKET VALUE, AND IT CAN BE REPLACED. 
          THE PURPOSE OF A NON OF A NON-PERFORMING STATUS IS TO ELIMINATE THAT A PERFORMANCE DEAL FOR THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE TO CLASSIFY THAT SIGN AS BEING NOT PERFORMING AND EVENTUALLY PHASE OUT THAT SAM WOULD NEVER BE USING FAIR MARKET VALUE. 
          BORDER ADJUSTMENT REALIZED THAT MR.  HOW EXCEEDINGLY HIGH IT WAS. 
          AND THE FACT THAT HIS SOUND WAS NOT NEAR THE REPLACEMENT  SO THE BOARD DECIDED THAT IT WOULD RECOMMEND THIS IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF SAYING, WELL, WHAT DO YOU HAVE, SAY FOR REBUTTAL?  YEAH. 
          ESSENTIALLY TOLD US THAT HE MOVED THE GOALPOSTS CLOSEST SO HE COULD MAKE THE FIELD GOALS. 
          AND REMEMBER NOW HE'S KICKING GOALS. 
          SO WE JUST HELPED ME TO KNOW THE FOOTBALL FIELD. 
           BOATS RUN INTO THE SOMETHING. 
          EVERY TIME WE GO INTO COURT, WE LOOK AT WHAT THE LAW IS AND, UM, WE STUCK ONE WAY UP AND, UM, WE TRY TO COMPLY IN SOME, WE WENT, SO I'M THINKING OF A COUPLE OF THINGS, THE ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF SIGNS. 
          AND I WOULD ASK MR. JOY, HOW MANY SIGNS , UH, YOU THINK OF THAT? WELL, I'VE WRITTEN AROUND AND LOOKING AT THE ONES I'M FAMILIAR WITH HIM NEAR A RIVER FOR EXPANSION OR FEW AND NONE OF THEM, BUT THE AREA WAS 17 SOUTH. 
          CAUSE THE CITY AND NEXT YEAR, WITHOUT ASKING ANYBODY OUT THERE ANYTHING ABOUT IT, THEY TOOK IT IN AND THAT'S WHERE A LARGE NUMBER OF SIGNS ARE IN THAT ROAD. 
          AND THEY OWN LAND. 
          THAT IS THE CITY GROWS THAT WAY I'LL BECOME TO VALUE FOR SCIENCE. 
          AND SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL DROP OFF THAT, BUT I GUESS THEY ASK YOU A MEMBER OF THE SIGNS IT'S LIKE TAKING IN AGAINST PEOPLE WILL AND HAVE SOME VALUE AND WE CALL IT THE HURRICANE COME ALONG AND WIPE THEM OUT. 
          UM, THE PERSON SHOULD BE EXTERNALIZED, PHOTOGRAPHS DESTROYED. 
          NOW READING THE ORDER, MR. REYNA, IF YOU'LL GO BACK AND LOOK THROUGH THE ORDER THAT YOU WILL FIND THAT THERE'S THIS TENSION BETWEEN THE SUPPORTED PORTION OF THE SIGN AND THE SIGN OF THE CELL, YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT IT SITTING RIGHT ON THE GROUND AND NOT RIGHT UP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FACTORY. 
          THE POLE BROKE UP. 
          WE DIDN'T DESTROY IT, BUT BE THERE AS A MEDIC. 
          UH, I WANT TO GO REGISTER, UM, LIKE SAY THE, THE CASE I HAD, AND THIS WAS VERY SATISFACTORY. 
          UH, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER DAY COMING. 
          AND THE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, THE SIGN OF HEART, LIKE, AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO LET US SHOW YOU THAT PATCH IT UP. 
          IT MUST'VE WARD. 
          UH, I THINK THAT REALLY, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE I PERSONALLY CAN SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT IN THIS SENSE. 
          NUMBER ONE, WHAT MR. GEORGE IS SAYING MAKES A VERY GOOD SENSE IN, IN THE WAY THAT THE ORDINANCE WAS UNABLE TO CARRY OUT WHAT THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE WAS. 
          SO IN EFFECT CLEANED IT UP. 
          SO THAT'LL DO IT. 
          I THINK YOU'RE PROTESTING AND CONCERN AND ITS MERIT IS BASED ON THE FACT OF WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE NON-CONFORMING SIGNS TO THOSE SPECIFICATIONS OR NOT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT THE CITY IS CALLED NON-CONFORMING I DON'T THINK YOU AGREED 
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THAT THEY SHOULD BE NON-CONFORMING SIGNS. 
          ISN'T THAT TRUE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, THERE'S REALLY TWO PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, HE IS HIS, HIS IDEA WAS TO COME AND MAKE THE ORDINANCE DO WHAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT INTENDED FOR THE ORDINANCE TO SAY. 
          SO HE ADJUSTED THE LANGUAGE. 
          BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT IT SAYS ANYWAY, AND SMS PERFECTLY FINE. 
          AND I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE ON BOTH. 
          I WENT TO, TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH TALK, TAKEN OUT THE SIGNS. 
          I WENT DOWN TO CHARLESTON THE DAY AFTER HE GOES, I HAVE A BRANCH DOWN THERE AND I, ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES AND MYSELF, AND WE TOOK SOME FOOD AND SO FORTH BECAUSE THEY HAD NO ELECTRICITY AND WHATEVER FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND 17 WAS TORN UP. 
          SO EVERYBODY TOLD US TO GO DOWN 95, YOU KNOW, AND GO THAT WAY AND GET ALL FOAM SOMETHING 26 OR 20 HOURS. 
          I FORGET WHAT IT IS. 
          26, I THINK. 
          WELL, I CAN ASSURE YOU GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY. 
          YOU'VE NEVER BEEN DOWN BEFORE. 
          AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE ARE NO SIGNS AND NO LIGHTS. 
          WE JUST, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN ON THE MOON BECAUSE IF YOU CAN IMAGINE IT GETTING TO AN EXIT AND NOT EVEN KNOW WHERE IT EXITS TO. 
          SO SIGNS DO PROVIDE VALUABLE INFORMATION. 
          YOU KNOW, IF I'M THE GUY THAT'S LOOKING FOR THE MOVIE THEATER OR WHATEVER, I'M REAL INTERESTED IN WHERE THE SIGN IS AND WHAT IT SAYS. 
          I'LL AGREE WITH THAT. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, THESE GUYS' JOB IS TO BEAUTIFY THE CITY AND DO ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          I THINK WHERE WE NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL IS TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DO A WAIVER, THE INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE NEED AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS LOOK BETTER AND BE BEAUTIFIED AND THAT I CAN AGREE WITH. 
          BUT I THINK IN THE CASE OF WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO HERE IS, IS HE'S JUST CLEANING IT UP SO THAT IT WILL BE WE'LL CARRY OUT WHAT THEY INTENDED FOR IT TO CARRY OUT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE AGREEING WITH WHAT THEY WANT IT TO CARRY OUT. 
          AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH YOU. 
          NOT AGREE. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE INTENT WAS. 
          UM, CAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GO BACK IN THE RECORD AND LOOK AT IT. 
          I WOULD SAY ONE THING, MR. JOY, AS MR. RAYNA KNOWS AND OTHER ATTORNEYS, UM, WE CAN FIGHT ON, ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND BE VERY STRONG IN OUR OPINIONS. 
          AND WHEN IT'S OVER, I WALKED OUT THE DOOR. 
          ABSOLUTELY NOT ANYTHING. 
          NOW I WOULD LIKE TO THE LAST TIME I TOLD YOU A JOKE AND I'VE BEEN WRACKING MY MIND  BUT I DO WANT TO TELL YOU ONE THING I WAS LISTENING TO THE DANNY, RESPOND TO THE WATER DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN THE MID 1950S. 
          I LIVED DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, THE NEXT BLOCK AND MY MOTHER'S HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO NEWBORN AUTO SUPPLY. 
          AND WE HAD TO HAVE ERIC IN THE BACK TO BACK THEN YOU HAD PUSHED ALL OVER THE WORLD AND SHE STATED WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR FOOT IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK, WHEN WITH EXCEPTIONAL ABOUT A FIVE BLOCK AREA, DOWNTOWN CITY HALL, BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE HIGHEST SPOT TO RECEIVE AND THE POST OR HOUSE AND THE POST OFFICE ABOUT TWO OR THREE BLOCKS OVER WE'RE OUT OF THE WAR. 
          SO IT COULD BE A STORM. 
          IT JUST HAD NEW ENGLAND. 
          THE CITY WOULD BE ON THE WATER. 
          AND THAT KID WAS STORM. 
          I WATCHED AND SAW A BOAT TURN AND TRYING TO PILOT DRIVE SOUTH FRONT STREET, THEN AN APPLE AND LOAD UP AND RUN UP TO THE NEWBORN, ALL THE SUPPLY. 
          AND THAT GOT OUT A BOAT TO A PARKING WAVING UP IN FRONT OF MY MOTHER'S WITH HIS DRIVE. 
          AND THEN WHEN THAT CHANGED ON THE CHILD IN THE 200 BLOCK, A NEW STREET, WE HAD A LOT, WE BLESSED WHAT WE DIDN'T GET LATE NIGHTS WITHOUT DOING AND BE HEARD. 
          AND LIKE I SAY, JUST TRYING TO BE FAIR TO PEOPLE THAT MAY NEED HELP IN THE FUTURE. 
          IF THERE WAS A RECOURSE TO COME TO YOU AFTER THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT WITH THESE FOLKS ON YOUR REPORT. 
          ONCE YOU GO TO THE BOARD, ADJUSTMENT IS GOING FORWARD. 
          AND A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST NOT GOING TO BE BEFORE, OKAY, LET'S SAY WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK. 
          I KNEW WHO YOU'D BE IN HERE SOMEWHERE ON MY, I KNEW SPEAK ONCE A NIGHT. 
          I'M NOT KIDS LIKE WATCHING TV  TO JUST CLARIFY SOME THINGS. 
          I WAS VERY INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THE WRITING OF THE ORDINANCE BACK FIVE YEARS AGO, THE UPDATE AND THE INTENT WITH FAIR MARKET VALUE WAS THAT THAT WOULD IN SOME WAY, RELATE TO THE ACTUAL VALUE OF THE REPLACEMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, UPSIDE, I THINK IF YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE FAIR MARKET VALUE AND TAX 
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VALUE ARE SO OUT OF KILTER, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TAX OFFICE NEEDS TO LOOK AT THESE WORK, GREAT DEAL MORE THAN THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON THE TAX BOOKS FOR FAIR MARKET VALUE. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA DOES PROVIDE OUTDOOR ADVERTISING DISPLAYS, UH, THAT WE SEE THEM ON. 
          UM, THEY ARE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE STANDARD BILLBOARDS THAT YOU SEE AND ARE MUCH MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE ROADWAY, UH, AND ONE THING YOU CAN DO IS LOOK AT HOW WE SEND BECOMING THROUGH UBERIN VERSUS POINTS FURTHER EAST TO GET AN IDEA OF THE IMPACT THAT HAS HAM. 
          UH, ONE OTHER THING, UH, MR. GEORGE DID LOOK, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STATE LIGON MUNICIPALITY SAYS TO THE GOVERNMENT AND DMT DMT STANDARD, HIS ASSIGNMENTS TO BROWN IS DESTROYED AND, AND CANNOT BE REBUILT. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE AND INFORMING THE ORBITS TO SUPPORT THE INTENT, UH, UH, OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. 
          SO JUST A FEW ADDITIONAL CONS CANADA, PLEASE, CANDIDATE, WOULD YOU CONCEDE THAT MR. GEORGE DID NOT HAVE THIS AMENDMENT DRAFTED IN BAD FAITH? OH, CERTAINLY. 
           WELL, AT FIRST I THOUGHT THAT, UM, TH THE IMPRESSION WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, HE DID IT CAUSE HE GOT MAD BECAUSE HE LOST BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M THINKING, WHAT I'M THINKING IS THAT HE REALLY HAD THE, THE AMENDMENT DRAFTED TO EFFECTUATE THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL DRAFTERS. 
          WELL, I GUESS I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY NUMBERS, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. 
          SO AS A MANAGER NOW, NOW WE'LL SAY THIS, UM, MIKE AVERY MENTIONED ABOUT THE STAGE AND ON THIS PARTICULAR SIDE, THERE WAS A STATE APPLICATION MADE IN FRONT OF ME. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THERE'S ALSO ONE ISSUE FOR IT TO BE REPLACED. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY ALL AS MUCH FUN. 
          NOW I'M GETTING PAID TOO. 
          I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE, UNFORTUNATELY, AT THIS TIME AROUND, I'M LIKE,  ALL DEFERENCE TO YOU, CITY ATTORNEY THAT, UH, THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE OF FEET, , UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, I'LL INVITE YOU TO SAY ANYBODY WANT TO CONSIDER COMMENDING THE ORDINANCE? WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT SECOND. 
          I GOT A STUFF TO EMOTION, BUT IF, OR EITHER, IF BARBARA, IF YOU WON'T ACCEPT THIS, THEN DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, BUT MAKE IT EFFECTIVE A YEAR FROM NOW, THERE ARE SOME GOOD WANT TO BE SOME ECONOMIC IMPACT. 
          LET THEM HAVE ONE MORE HURRICANE. 
          LET THEM HAVE ONE. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE, I'LL HAVE TO PICK, YOU KNOW, NOW I KNOW WHY PEOPLE SAY, DID YOU VOTE FOR THAT NOW THE NIGHT? AND I SAY, I DON'T. 
          I SAY WHO YOU SAID, YOU SAID, YES, I SIT HERE. 
          I SAID YES TO THE PUBLIC AND UNDERSTAND WHERE ARE WE IN THE VOTE? NOW, SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY WOULD YOU ACCEPT ELENA MIM? I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'VE HAD IT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ANY FURTHER SUBSTITUTE MOTION CALL. 
          YES, YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          HOW DID WE HEAR? WE COUNT DON AS HE ASS SKIS. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT THING IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          MOVE THE CONSENT AGENDA BE APPROVED AND THEY FOLLOW THE DISCUSSION. 
          PLEASE CALL THE ROLL WITH IT. 
          YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          ALL RIGHT, MAX, I DON'T THINK HAD ANYBODY ON DUTY. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I'VE GOT A COUPLE, BUT I'M NOT READY TO MAKE THEM 
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YET. 
          I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THESE PEOPLE WILL AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          MISCELLANEOUS MARBLE YOU'D HAVE ANY MACEDONIANS. 
          I MUST LAY IN MAX, RICK. 
          I GOT ONE THING AND IT WON'T TAKE, BUT A MINUTE. 
          BUT, UH, MS. BARBARA LEE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO STATED THE FACT THAT SHE WAS GETTING A LITTLE UPSET WITH NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AS FAR AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING IN HER WARD, YOU REMEMBER THAT THINGS WERE HAPPENING. 
          I GOT THE SAME THING. 
          I NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION COMING FROM YOU GUYS. 
          WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING. 
          IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT WARD, THAT'S THE LEAST BIT CONTROVERSIAL ZONING CHANGE OR A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING UP. 
          I'D LIKE, JUST DROP ME A LINE AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS GOING ON, MAN. 
          JUST WANT TO KEEP YOU A PROCESS BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE COME UP AND ASK ME ABOUT, I WANT TO KNOW WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO PLEASE HELP ME. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE MISCELLANEOUS MORE MEMBERS OF BOARD. 
          I PASSED OUT WHICH ADDRESSES CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD ON AUGUST 13TH, UH, RELATED TO THE POLICE SERVICES. 
          THEY RUN IT BY THE POLICE, TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. 
          I GOT A CALL LAST THURSDAY INDICATING THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAD A PROBLEM WITH ONE PORTION OF THAT CONTRACT. 
          WHEN I FINALLY TALKED TO CHIEF, IT TURNED OUT THAT HE AND I HAD MISUNDERSTOOD SOME COMMENTS. 
          I HAD MADE HIM. 
          I HATE TO USE THE, THE NEW CONTRACT PLANT. 
          SEVERAL CAME TO THE BANK. 
          AFTER TALKING TO HIM. 
          ONE THING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE PUT IN ARTICLE SIX COMPENSATION PAID TO THE CITY BY THE HOUSE AND THE GUARDIAN. 
          THEN IT WOULDN'T BE FIVE DIFFERENT ITEMS DOWN THERE AND OFF TO THE RIGHT OF EACH ONE WAS A DESIGNATION OUT. 
          AND THERE WAS A DESIGNATION TO BE IN, TO BE INAPPROPRIATE AT FAULT. 
          THEN THE CHIEF SAID, IS THAT THE CASE, IT TURNED OUT THAT THERE WERE THREE OF THE SMALL ITEMS, WHICH WOULD IT BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE CITY AND THE TWO LARGE ONES, OR WOULD THE ONE 20 IN ONE SMALL ONE OR THE COMPUTER WOULDN'T BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY? I WOULD LIKE YOUR PERMISSION SLIP SHEET, THAT AGREEMENT. 
          SO PUT THIS NEW PAGE AND IT CHANGES THAT ARTICLE SIX AND WHAT THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO PAY. 
          WELL, WILL THIS BE DONE? AND GIVEN BACK TO US, I MEAN, DO YOU NEED THIS TO GO AHEAD? AND NO, IF YOU WOULD JUST AGREE THAT IT LIP SHADED, I JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT. 
          WHAT WAS INTENDED, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THIS REPORT. 
          YOU NEED A MOTION OR JUST A BODY AGAINST MR. MAYOR BEFORE YOU GET OUT OF MISCELLANEOUS. 
          UM, WE TALKED ABOUT ONE OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH NEWMAN TODAY WITH DRAINAGE, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER THING IT'S BEEN A CONSTANT PROBLEM FOR SOME OF US AND THAT'S TRAFFIC ON CERTAIN STREETS WHERE WE HAVE REALLY ARE DESIGNED AS NICE, QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BEING USED AS THOROUGHFARES FOR PEOPLE IN A HURRY TO GET FROM ONE POINT TO ANOTHER, THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD ESPECIALLY COMES TO MIND WITH SPENCER AVENUE AND, UH, UH, LET'S SAY RAM AVENUE AND PARK AVENUE AND THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN SPEED BUMPS, WHICH I TOTALLY OPPOSED FOR SEVERAL REASONS. 
          NUMBER ONE, BEING THE SAFETY FACTOR. 
          IF SOMEBODY DOWN THERE HAS A HEART ATTACK, I DON'T WANT THE RESCUE SQUAD HAVING TO SLOW DOWN TO GO OVER SPEED BUMPS. 
          AND ALSO THE LIABILITY. 
          THE CITY MAY FACE SHOULD A VEHICLE BE DAMAGED BY SOMEONE JUST NOT REALIZING THE SPEED BUMP IS THERE. 
          I DON'T LIKE THOSE FOUR WAY. 
          STOP SIGNS HAD BEEN USED IN A NUMBER OF PLACES IN THE CITY. 
          I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OPPOSED TO BELTS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY WORK. 
          AND AS THE PEOPLE IN THE GRAPH AND HENRY PARK CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE BEING IGNORED THERE. 
          AND AS ONE OF THE CRITICS OF THE, UH, THE HIGHWAY, THE SPEEDING PROBLEM, AND AGAIN, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MR.  ADMITTED ONE DAY, UH, HERE SOME YEARS AGO, HIS, UH, CHILDREN HAD A NEW AUTOMOBILE, AN AUTOMOBILE HE HAD JUST BOUGHT FOR THEM. 
          AND IT WAS DESTROYED TWO WEEKS LATER IN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT THERE. 
          AND I SAID, HOW DID IT HAPPEN? WELL, THEY RAN A STOP SIGN. 
          SO IF THE STOP SIGNS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE DON'T WORK, THEN I DON'T SEE FOUR WAY STOP SIGNS DOING IT. 
          IT'S ALWAYS APPEARED TO ME TO BE, UH, AN ENFORCEMENT PROBLEM. 
          SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE HANDLED THROUGH ENFORCEMENT, EXCEPT WE CAN'T AFFORD ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS TO HAVE ONE THERE ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, THIS IS BOTHERING ME FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          AND DURING THE, UH, DURING THE MEETING IN WINSTON-SALEM THIS PAST WEEK, I DISCUSSED THE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE FROM A NUMBER OF TOWNS AND CAME UP WITH SEVERAL POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO LOOK 
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INTO PERHAPS TO EXPERIMENT WITH IN THE FUTURE TO PROVIDE SOME RELIEF FOR PEOPLE ON WHAT ARE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, BUT ARE BEING USED AS THOROUGHFARES. 
          AND IN SOME CASES, UH, SPEEDWAYS, UH, THE STREETS WERE ALL PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. 
          I DO NOT AGREE WITH SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH, LIKE PUT GATES UP ON THE STREET. 
          DON'T LET ANYONE THERE WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WELL, THAT'S FOOLISH. 
          WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          THEN THE STREETS WERE BUILT WITH CITY TAXPAYERS FUNDS, BUT SEVERAL OPTIONS HAVE, UH, HAVE COME UP IN THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH PEOPLE FROM OTHER CITIES. 
          ONE OF THEM THAT SEEMS TO WORK IN SOME AREAS ARE PUTTING ON SOME OF THESE SELECTED STREETS, RUMBLE STRIPS. 
          AND I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH RUMBLESTRIP? WELL, WE HAVE SOME, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE EVER, IF YOU EVER DRIVE SIMILAR STREET, FOUR OAKS ROAD BEFORE YOU GET TO THE STOPLIGHT, NO TRO, THEY HAVE RUMBLE STRIPS. 
          YOU'RE FAMILIAR. 
          THERE'S A STOP SIGN COMING UP. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE, AND WE'LL SEE THEIR RECOMMENDATION. 
          NOW THEY CAN BE VERY IRRITATED, BUT THEY WON'T DAMAGE YOUR CAR. 
          AND PERHAPS WE MIGHT LOOK AT EXPERIMENTING WITH A RUMBLE STRIP HERE OR THERE AND SELECTIVE ON SELECTED RESIDENTIAL STREETS TO SEE IF THEY MIGHT SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN, BUT YET WILL NOT PRESENT A HAZARD LACK OF SPEED BUMP CAN'T CAN'T HANDLE SPEED BUMPS. 
          UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL TYPES OF RUMBLE STRIPS ON WITH JUST THE ROUGH GRAVEL, SOME WITH ACTUAL SAW-TOOTH EDGES. 
          A SECOND THING THAT HAS, HAS COME UP IS THE USE OF NOT SPEED BUMPS, BUT WHAT ARE CALLED SPEED PADS. 
          AND THIS IS A SECTION OF THE STREET, WHICH HAS RAISED ONE INCH OR SO FOR A, ABOUT 12, ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 24 FEET. 
          IF YOU DRIVE OVER THAT SPEED PAD AT 20, 25 MILES AN HOUR, AND THE SPEED LIMIT ON MOST OF THESE STREETS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS 20 MILES AN HOUR. 
          IT WON'T DO ANYTHING. 
          THE CAR WILL GO UP ON IT AND COME DOWN ON THE FATHER. 
          WON'T BOTHER YOU. 
          IF YOU HIT IT AT 35 MILES AN HOUR, IT IS NOT PLEASANT. 
          IT IS A SHARP JOKE. 
          THIS MIGHT BE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. A THIRD IDEA THAT HAS COME UP IS RESTRICTORS WHERE A STREET LIKE SPENCER AVENUE IS ANY EFFECT, TWO LANES WIDE, ALTHOUGH IT CAN'T BE USED AS TWO LANES BECAUSE IT'S A DIVIDED STREET, BUT ON EACH SIDE, UH, SOMEONE IS GENERALLY PARKING ALONG THE CURB, BUT IT IS A NICE STRAIGHT, ALMOST SPEEDWAY TYPE STREET AT THE INTERSECTIONS. 
          IF A CURBING IS BUILT TO BRING IT DOWN TO ONE LANE AT THE INTERSECTION, IT TENDS TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHICH OF THESE MIGHT HELP SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS IF ANY, BUT THEY ARE BEING TRIED IN OTHER TOWNS. 
          AND STRANGELY ENOUGH, WHEN I LEFT WINSTON-SALEM, I WENT TO WASHINGTON DC AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT THIS EXACT SAME PROBLEM, A LENGTHY ARTICLE, A PAGE AND A HALF IN THE WASHINGTON POST, WHICH I BROUGHT BACK, BILL HARTMAN HAS A COPY, AND HE IS GOING TO CUT IT INTO SECTIONS AND SEE THAT ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS GET A COPY OF IT. 
          IT'S COMMENTS FROM VARIOUS MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS, SOME NEGATIVE, ALMOST ALL OF THEM POSITIVE ON THE USE OF THINGS OF THIS TYPE AND WITH THE LIFESTYLE AND NEWBURN CHANGING TO MORE AND MORE RETIREMENT. 
          UM, PERHAPS IT'S TIME, WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO SLOWING DOWN THE TRAFFIC AND PROTECTING THE CITIZENS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH WERE NEVER DESIGNED TO BE THOROUGHFARES. 
          THE GRAPHING RIG PARK HAS SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS IN THAT. 
          IT IS STRAIGHT SHORT CONNECTORS BETWEEN TRENT ROAD AND NEUSE BOULEVARD, RAMS, SPENCER, AND PARK HAVE PROBLEMS. LONG VIEW. 
          IS IT LONG VIEW? THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM. 
          UM, ELIZABETH AVENUE, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE IT SORT OF IS DESIGNED, WAS ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED AS A THOROUGHFARE ONCE IT'S CONNECTED WITH GLEN BURNIE. 
          SO I WON'T EVEN GET INTO THAT, BUT I'M SURE THAT EACH ONE OF THE WARDS HAS PROBLEMS, STREETS, WHICH WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE THOROUGHFARE, BUT ARE BEING USED AS THOROUGHFARES. 
          THAT I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT THERE, THERE DO SEEM TO BE I'VE I'VE THERE DO SEEM TO BE SOME ALTERNATIVES TO SPEED BUMPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE ALONG WITH INCREASED ENFORCEMENT. 
          SO YOU WILL BE GETTING FROM BILL COPIES OF THIS ARTICLE, WHICH WILL EXPLAIN, AND ALSO HAVE ASKED THAT THE OFFICIALS IN THESE TOWNS BE CONTACTED FOR MORE INFORMATION ON HOW IT HAS WORKED THERE. 
          NOW, A RUMBLE STRIP MAKES A LITTLE NOISE AND THE NEIGHBOR AND THE PERSON IN FRONT OF WHOSE HOME THIS RUMBLESTRIP AND MIGHT NOT LIKE THE NOISE. 
          SO WE MAY EXPERIMENT 
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WITH GETTING PERMISSION TO PUT ONE DOWN ON THE STREET AND SEE HOW IT WORKS. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO WORK TOWARD ANSWERING SOME OF THE PROBLEMS PEOPLE SEE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, THE DANGER TO CHILDREN PLAY WITH ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT ARE, ARE GOING THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND IT JUST ALL OF THE CITIES. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, MR. MAYOR, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          NAME IS ALMAC DAVID AND I LIVE IN 1913 STREET, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM, THE SITUATION IS BEING ADDRESSED AND A STEADY IS CONSIDERED. 
          BUT EVEN IN THAT, AND SPEAKING TO YEARS BEFORE THE SOLUTION TO MOST OF THE PROBLEMS WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF IN MY MIND COMING HERE TONIGHT IS, IS FIGHT FUND IS WHAT CAN BE DONE? DO WE HAVE TO LEAVE LATE? THE PROBLEM WAS RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR LOTS THAT ARE COVERED UNDER WATER RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU GOT AN OUTFIT SURROUNDED BY WATER RIGHT NOW. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND IT TAKES TIME. 
           PROBABLY YEARS WHAT I'M SAYING AND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM WAS SOMEONE LOOKING AT THE SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE EXPERTISE AND SAYING WHAT THIS COULD BE DONE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME FOR THE DRAIN SITUATION TO BE TAKEN CARE OF COMPLETELY. 
          MR. MCDAVID, YOU'VE SEEN, I'VE BEEN TO YOUR HOUSE AND LOOKED AT YOUR SITUATION HAPPENED. 
          RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. MICK, MR. UH, METAL, THE SMELL HAS BEEN THERE. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BY MR. MILLS, COULD YOU STAND UP AND EXPLAIN THE CITY'S RIGHTS AND THE OBLIGATIONS REGARDING THOSE LOTS IN PERMANENT, PLEASE RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS. 
          I CAN EXPLAIN THE SITUATION AND THE SITUATION IS THAT, UH, THERE ARE, THERE IS PARTICULAR ONE WHERE YOU FIT THERE, BUT THE, UH, SPECIFIC INCIDENT THAT, THAT IS CREATING A REAL PROBLEM NOW IS PLACE WHERE IT IS A DOUBLE-WIDE MOBILE HOME. 
          THAT IS TOTALLY SURROUNDED BY WATER. 
          IF YOU SEE BACK, UH, I THINK IT'S BEEN THERE ABOUT TWO YEARS AND BECAUSE OF THE WATER TABLE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, THIS IS A, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE EVER EXPERIENCED ANYTHING TO THIS MATURITY, THE WINTER IT'S BEEN WET. 
          UH, IT FIRST OFF WAS THERE WAS A PROBLEM THAT THE DRAINAGE DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. 
          THERE THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY DRAINS THERE, OR, OR I KNOW IN THE LAST, SINCE WE MAN NEXT DAY, IT HAS NEVER DRAINED AND UNDERSTAND YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN FIELDED OR SOMETHING YEARS AGO, BUT THE PLUGS AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE. 
          I'VE MOVED AT IT. 
          THAT WOULD BE VERY SIMPLE TO ALLEVIATE THEIR PROBLEM. 
          AS I HAVE MENTIONED TO THE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN THE HOUSE, AND I THINK THAT MAYBE IS ALWAYS, UH, WHAT WE'VE MENTIONED TO THEM IS, IS THE, THE QUICKEST FIX THAT I CAN THINK OF. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT THAT IS UNDER A HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN. 
          UH, THERE, THERE ARE SOME FEDERAL MONIES THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF FRAN AND BERTHA TO DEAL WITH SOME, SOME SITUATIONS THAT ARE, THAT WE CAN SEE AS BEING HAZARDOUS OR, OR PROBLEM AREAS THAT, THAT IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD SPEND SOME MONEY TOWARD, UH, THE NEXT ONE, WHEN WE WOULDN'T BE AFFECTED IN SUCH A WAY, AND IT'S NOT ONLY THIS PLACE, BUT THERE'S AS A PLACEMENT DATA STREET, IT DRAINS OUT THE COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND THEN GO ANYWAY, UH, WHAT'S THE ADDRESS OF THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 15, 19, 19, THE SAME ONE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THERE SOMEPLACE TO PUMP A WATER? IF SOMEBODY PUMPED IT AND THE WATER COULD BE WATER COULD ACTUALLY BE PHONED THAT PARTICULAR PLACE, SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT TALK TO ME ABOUT IT. 
          AND, UH, AS WE ALL KNOW, AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          MY OWN SON HAD IT TWICE AND I HAD TO PAY TO PUMP IT OUT. 
          AND, UH, CERTAIN PEOPLE SAID THEY WERE GOING TO GET IN AND SEE IF THEY COULDN'T GET A HOLD OF THIS GUY THAT HAD A PUMP. 
          AND I VOLUNTEERED MYSELF TO, TO, TO, TO PAY SOME MONEY, TO HELP PUMP THE WATER OUT. 
          AND I'VE HEARD NO MORE FROM ANYBODY ANYWHERE OR WHATEVER ABOUT IT. 
          BUT HAS THE PLACE FLOODED LIKE THAT BEFORE THE HURRICANE? NO, IT DID. 
          IT DID. 
          DID DO. 
          WE NOW HAVE A PUMP THAT WILL PUMP THAT WATER? DO 
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WE HAVE A PUMP? CAUSE I ASKED YOU BEFORE, WHEN I THINK HE, AT THE TIME YOU DID NOT HAVE A PUMP TO PUMP THE WATER, BUT YOU SAID IF THE BOARD WOULD, OKAY, YOU BUY IN A PUMP OR WHATEVER YOU COULD BUY IT. 
          I MEAN, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT BOARDS WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING AND DO JUST LIKE THE SUNDAY AT THESE HIGHER TRADER WHO HAS A MUD PUMP THAT CAN BE HOOKED TO, WELL, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THIS, WE'VE GOT TWO PROBLEMS AS I SEE IT. 
          ONE IS, AND I DIDN'T NOTICE THE THING WAS STILL A LOT, STILL HAD WATER ON IT. 
          TRAILER STILL HAD IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, IF IT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'S LIKE THE OLD SAYING ABOUT WHAT IF EVERYBODY WAS FRANK, YOU KNOW, THEY ALL PHILOSOPHY 1 0 1 ARGUMENT OR WHATEVER. 
          WELL, THE THING IS WE CAN'T PUMP EVERYBODY'S YARD. 
          OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY'S YARD DOESN'T. 
          SO THAT LENDS EVERYBODY. 
          SOME OF THE PEOPLE OUT, SOME OF THE YARDS THAT FLOOD HAVE ONLY FLOODED SINCE WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF HURRICANES IN THIS ELLA EXTRAORDINARY RAIN, THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          AS YOU POINTED OUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO RUN A PIPE SOMEWHERE, TO GET RID OF IT OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM, IF THERE'S WATER SURROUNDING THE HOUSE AND IT'S STILL THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S STILL THERE. 
          WHETHER SOMEBODY HASN'T GOTTEN THE PUMP FOR PAYING FOR THE PUMP OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT I THINK IT'S TIME FOR SOMEBODY TO GET THEIR LAST PUMP. 
          WELL, AS I, AS I'VE TOLD YOU ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS AND THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY THING I WOULD HOPE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT THE ONLY SITUATION. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO PUMP THAT FILE. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PUMPING. 
          IF YOU SAY WE PUMP EVERY TIME, THE LANE NUMBER PUMP, NO, THE SAME PUMP EVERY TIME RAIN. 
          BUT THE NEXT TIME I HAVE TWO HURRICANES AND 67 MATCHES ALL RAIN SINCE JULY, WE MIGHT PUMP AGAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND UNDERSTANDING, AND THERE ARE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AS TO WHY THE WATER IS THERE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S IN A POND, IT'S THE LOWEST PLACE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, REALLY, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SET UP THAT WAY IF YOU'RE ASKING MY OPINION, BUT I UNDERSTAND THEIR SITUATION. 
          AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT FOR WHATEVER THE REASONS ARE, IF THAT WATER IS STILL ALIVE, LIKE IT WAS, THEN I KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ARE VERY UNHAPPY. 
          AND IF THEY HAD THE MEANS TO GET IT OUT OF THERE, IT SEEMS TO ME, IT WOULD BE OUT OF THERE. 
          I KNOW I DID. 
          IF I HAD TO HAVE A TEACUP SHEVLIN ON IT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT WAS A BUNCH OF WATER. 
          SO AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO, LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING SOME MONEY, FEDERAL MONEY OR WHATEVER TO PAY FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF THEY HAD TO PAY FOR IT, WE WOULD'VE PUMPED. 
          BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE PUMPED NOW AND SOMEBODY OWES THE MONEY, WE CAN TRY TO GET THE MONEY TO PAY THE BILL. 
          WHEREAS LATER WE WOULDN'T THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE POPPED IT. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE PUMPED IT, BUT THE FEDERAL PEOPLE WOULD HAVE PAID FOR IT. 
          THAT'S WHY IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ICE PUMPING IT IN ANY OF THAT. 
          BUT IF THE BOARD SAYS I CAN HAVE DOWN HERE AT THE TOMORROW, WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE IS SURROUNDED BY WATER AND I MEAN, SURELY THERE'S SOME WAY IT CAN BE PUMPED OUT. 
          AND AGAIN, I HAVE OFFERED MYSELF TO DONATE A HUNDRED BUCKS. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE IT, SAY THAT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC, WHEN HE'S BECOMING FRUSTRATED. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM FOR PUMPING, GET IT PUMPED OUT AND PULL US AS A HOMEOWNER, UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE THE TREE, BUT THE PROPERTY IS IN THE DEAD AMOUNT OF WATER. 
          WHERE DID YOU PUMP THIS WATER? WELL, THAT'S WHEN I ASKED DANNY IF IT COULD BE ALL THE OTHER WATER THAT RUNS INTO THE DIGITAL, UM, MAYBE BY NOW  THAT FOOT   WELL WELL, LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS AND IN ALL RESPECT AND MATTER WHAT YOUR BACKGROUND IS OR WHATEVER, AND, UH, I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER OR WHATEVER. 
          I DO HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN PHYSICS FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH. 
          AND I PROMISE YOU, I WILL DEFER MY DRAIN HIS KNOWLEDGE TO DAMAGE. 
          SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU DO IT TOO. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, I THINK BETWEEN THE THREE OF US NOT KNOWING YOUR BACKGROUND, HE PROBABLY KNOWS THAT IT WILL DRAIN BETTER, BUT BETTER THAN WE DO. 
          SO. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, IS THIS THE TENURED PRACTICE PUMPING THE WATER IN THE DITCH AND JUST RUN INTO THE WOODLANDS? NO, NO, I PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T EVEN SUGGEST THAT SPICE. 
          YOU CAN'T PUMP IT TO ME. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T NOTICE TIM IN WHERE IT IS, BUT I KNOW OF SOME AREAS THAT ARE VERY, VERY LOW THAT I REPRESENT AND THE MAN GOT A BACKYARD OVER IN, IN 
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A WOODROW AND THERE'S A RIVER OUT BEHIND WOODROW. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THAT WATER FROM HIS LOT TO THAT RIVER CONTINUOUSLY, NOT IF I POP IT OFF TODAY AND IT RAINS LIKE THE DICKENS TOMORROW, YOU GOTTA PUMP IT OFF TOMORROW. 
          SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO WHAT WE NEED IS A SOLUTION TO THE DRAINAGE, WHICH, WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW ABOUT 150,000 MILES. 
          THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I'M THINKING, WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION? WHAT IS THE SOLUTION TO THE SOLUTION? WHAT I'M SAYING WAS AT THE TIME THAT THIS HAPPENED, WE COULD HAVE ASKED ABOUT THE COMPANY, BUT THE ONLY WAY THAT I COULD SEE THEY COULD HAVE DRAWN IN A TANKER TRUCK ALL THE WAY, BECAUSE THAT AMOUNT OF WATER DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER, BUT HE KNOWS THAT HE CALLS THE WATER, GOES FROM THE DITCH AND JUST RUNS INTO A WOODLAND IT'S THERE THERE'S NO PLACE FOR IT TO DRAIN WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          AND YOU GOT ABOUT THREE LOCATIONS IN THE SAME SITUATION. 
          MR. DAVID, LET ME ASK YOU. 
          YOU YOU'VE COME BEFORE US TO DO YOU HA YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME IDEA WHAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO. 
          WELL, THE IDEA WAS I COULD SEE FOR US LEAVING THE PROP WAS NOW, LIKE I SAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE FUNDS SITUATION IS, BUT THE DISH THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE SOME WAY THAT NEEDS TO BE A PIPE IN THE ROAD. 
          IF THERE'S A PIPE IN THE ROAD, I'M GOING TO, TO GOING IN AND GET FUNDS AND TO GET, SO IT CAN DRAIN THROUGH THE PIPE, THE HEAT THAT HITS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO THE PROBLEM WILL ARISE TO THAT AMOUNT OF WATER PIPE ONTO THE ROAD HELP SO YEAH,  BACK TO, YEAH, THE DISH BAR. 
          I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE PUMPING, THE WHOLE CROSS THAT ROAD INTO THAT BITCH AND IN JUST SPEAK AND IT COULD GO  WELL, YEAH, BUT SEE, I THINK THE ANSWER THAT IS IT'S, IT'S GOT TO BE ONE OF THESE BIBLICAL FLOODS, LIKE WE'VE HAD IN CAUSES. 
          IT HASN'T EVER HAPPENED YEAH. 
          TWO YEARS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN THERE TWO YEARS. 
          THIS FIRST TIME IN THEIR TOES. 
          EVERYONE'S WATER ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          NOW THERE IS, THERE IS ANY KID THAT GOES TO THE BEACH DISAPPEARED. 
          IT WAS BLOCKED OFF. 
          NOW BLOCKED OFF FROM AN OLD TOWNS CONSTRUCT WHEN YOU, BUT IT DOES GO TO THE CUSTOMER THAT ROAD, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PUT IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS? I DON'T THINK HE PUT IT BACK. 
          THE CLOSEST POINT THAT THIS WORKED AND RUNNING AND WE SAW A MAGNITUDE PROBLEMS.  BUT IF YOU WERE TO RUN A PIPELINE FROM THAT DITCH, ALL THE WAY TO ALMOST STATUE, YOU CAN PICK UP , BUT THAT IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO COST SOMEWHERE. 
          AND THAT IS A PROJECT  AND IT JUST APPROVED. 
          UH, THERE WILL BE 75% AND THE OTHER 25%, YOU HAVE SOME DIRT WAS HAULED INTO THAT LOT, WHICH I THINK SOMEBODY, SO I UNDERSTAND TALKING ABOUT THAT IN THE VERY BEGINNING, WHEN THEY MOVED IN OR WHATEVER, TO RAISE IT A LOT UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          DID THE TRAILER OVER THE DOUBLE WIDE TRAILER SETS ON THAT WOULD HELP A LOT. 
          THAT WAY IT MIGHT RAIN DOWN THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WAS STANDING IN THE BACKYARD, LIKE, YEAH, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS AT LEAST YOU CAN GET TO THE TRAILER UNTIL WE CAN SOLVE THE LONG-TERM PROBLEMS. WE GOT BIG PROBLEMS. UH, I THINK THAT THE BOARD REALLY NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT THIS WHOLE ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S TWO TYPES OF DRAINAGE HERE IN CITY. 
          THERE'S ONE IS THE DRAINAGE WAYS THAT THE CITY HAS, THAT WE DRAIN THE PUBLIC AREAS WITH AND WE TAKE THAT WATER AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          THEN THERE IS YARD DRAINAGE. 
          AND WHEN YOU START, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR DRAINAGE AND A LOT OF INSTANCES HERE WHEN SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, AND WHEN WE DO YARD DRAINAGE FOR ONE PERSON IN THIS CITY, THEN WE COULD WE'LL CREATE FOR US THE LIABILITY AND THE OBLIGATION 
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TO DO YARD DRAINAGE EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY. 
          AND WE CANNOT AFFORD TO DO THAT WITHOUT SOME EXTENSIVE INFLUX OF FUNDS SOMEWHERE. 
          LET ME POINT OUT SOMETHING RIGHT HERE. 
          HE'S SAYING THAT IF HE KNEW THAT THE DITCH WOULD ACCEPT THE WAR, THAT Y'ALL WOULD HAVE GONE AHEAD AND PUMPED IT OUT. 
          SO WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS. 
          WE WOULDN'T BE SURROUNDED BY WATER. 
          SO ST. 
          SHE FOUND OUT THE NIGHT THAT NANNY PROMISES AND GUARANTEES IS WHAT HE SAID, THAT DITCH ACROSS THEIR WHOLE WATER. 
          CAN YOU HAVE IT PUMPED OUT ACROSS THE ROAD AND IN LESS THAN THAT, LET'S GET THE TRAILER DRIVE FOR NOW. 
          ANYWAY. 
          WELL, I MEAN, YOU SAID YOU'RE WILLING TO, I'M WILLING TO PERSONALLY DONATE, LIKE I SAID, JUST TO JUSTICE IN MY GOOD FAITH, GET THE THING OUT OF THE WARRANT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN POP IT UP, BUT THE PROBLEM IS HAD THE FOUR NAMES IT TOOK TO GET TO THIS, BUT SEE, SEE, SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          THE BIGGEST, LET'S SEE, LET TELL YOU THE MISCONCEPTION, YOUR HEAD. 
          AND I THINK MR. HARTMAN ALLUDED TO IT. 
          THE PROBLEM IS IT'S A PERSONAL PROBLEM. 
          AND EVERYBODY WHO OWNS PRIVATE PROPERTY HAD THE SAME PROBLEM. 
          YOURS WAS OF A GREATER MAGNITUDE BECAUSE OF HOW LOW IT IS, BUT EVERYBODY HAS THIS PROBLEM. 
          AND THE CITY'S PRIMARY OBLIGATION IS TO KEEP RIGHT AWAY IS COMMON AREAS DRAINED, NOT PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          TOM BAYLESS HAS A SON, TOM, TOM, HIS SON, HIS GARAGE WAS UNDER THE WATER RIGHT AWAY. 
          THAT DRAIN. 
          EVEN THOUGH WE MADE THE DEAL, THOUGH, IF HE'S LOSING TO HIM ON THESE KIND OF CLOSE TO LOCATIONS, THEY'VE BEEN BLOCKED OFF SINCE OLD TOWN UP IN THE DELTA. 
          NOW, IF THEY HADN'T BEEN LOCKED UP AND MAYBE THEY'D BEEN A GROWN UP, HE COULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, REPAIR OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM. 
          BUT THERE'S NO OTHER SITUATION. 
          THE DRAINAGE DITCHES, THE MAGIC QUESTION. 
          IF, IF, IF THE DRAIN DITCH ACROSS THE STREET WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU CONTINUE TO RUN WHERE IT USED TO RUN, WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE HELD IN THIS PROBLEM? VNA. 
          IF THAT DITCH HAD OFTEN, THEN HE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, BUT HAVE WE EVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS PRIOR TO NOW BECAUSE THE DRAIN HAS BEEN CLOSED? I SAID, A GENTLEMAN CAN PUMP THE WATER INTO THE DISTANCE YOU WERE REFERRED TO NOW. 
          AND WHEN HE DOES, HE GETS YOUR EYES AREA, RIGHT? IF WE CONSIDER IT, IF WE CONSIDER THE WATER THAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY, A PUBLIC HEALTH THREAT, THEN WE COULD MOVE IN AND A BAIT, THE THREAT. 
          WE COULD PUMP THE WATER, BUT ELAINE WOULD BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO PAY FOR IT. 
          AGAIN, BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER, FLOW IS ELIMINATING. 
          THE PROBLEM, I THINK IS IF IT WAS A PIPE UNDERNEATH THE ROAD, LOW ENOUGH, THAT WOULD HELP LEAVING WATER ON THAT PROBLEM. 
          IN CASE YOU DO HAVE ANOTHER HURRICANE COME THROUGH, THEN WITH LIMITED PROBLEMS, YOU GET TO STUDY THEM, WHATEVER. 
          OKAY, WELL, WE CAN, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THE SUGGESTIONS OF OUR OWN ENGINEERS AS TO WHAT BEST DRAINS IT. 
          BUT IF WE'RE WILLING TO, I MEAN, IF IT GOES INTO THE DITCH AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO ANOTHER FRIEND, COME IN TO GIVE US TIME TO FIX IT RIGHT NEXT, ONE'S GOING TO BE A BALL. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE IF YOU ARE GOING TO DRAIN IT. 
          BUT I THINK IF YOU ALL COULD, IF YOU SAID YOU CAN DRAIN IT, UH, TO THE DITCH ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK YOU NEED TO FOLLOW MR. METAL'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT IN THE INTERIM, UH, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT OR, UM, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WELL FIND OUT WHO OWNS THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE A FORMER DITCH WOULD, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED, FIND OUT THE CIRCUMSTANCE CONCERNING. 
          HE GOES TO A STATE, UH, AND ACCORDING TO  IT EXTENDED UNDER THAT STREET, BUT IT'S,  ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UH, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SERVED AS AN AGENT MENTIONED TO THEM. 
          I DIDN'T EVEN TALK TO MIKE ABOUT CDBG OPPORTUNITIES, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TO SEEK THOSE OUT  
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OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT TWO PROBLEMS. ONE IS THE IMMEDIATE ONE, AND THAT'S POPPING THAT OUT. 
          AND HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE ANY HURRICANES BACK TO BACK AND SATURATE THE GROUND. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE IS FOR THEM TO REALLY DO PUT IT ON THEIR LIST OF, OF, UH, PROMINENT PROJECTS. 
          IF IT'S A CDBG GRANT, THAT'LL, THAT'LL HELP THEM STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET THE THING JUST DIE AND GO AWAY, BUT WE CAN'T GO OUT AND SPEND $150,000 ON IT TOMORROW, YESTERDAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'LL DRAIN THE NEXT TIME TWO HURRICANES COME, BUT WE WILL TAKE IT UNDER CONSIDERATION TO TRY TO HELP YOU GET A GRANT, TO MAKE A LONGTERM FIX ON IT. 
          UM, SO YOU SPEAK AT LEAST A YEAR UM, WHICH WE DID. 
          AND I WAS OUT THERE A MONTH AGO. 
           SEE THE CONTACT, THE TEAM OUT THERE. 
          AND THEY SAID, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO ONE HAS CONTACTED CDBG AND YOU KNOW, HE'S NEVER PUT FORTH AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT SOMEONE'S, WE MIGHT NEED BACK REGROUP. 
          THIS IS NOT JUST ONE PARTICULAR LOAD, A HOMEOWNER'S CROP. 
          THIS AFFECTS ABOUT SIX OTHER HOMEOWNERS. 
          THAT SAFETY TAKES AN UNDERWATER. 
          AND WHEN IT RAINS BY THE WATER TABLE BEING HIGH, AS IT IS, YOU GOT THREE STREETS INVOLVED. 
          SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST ONE HOMEOWNER. 
          WHAT IS YES. 
          IT'S CORRECT. 
          WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU GOT WATER. 
          THAT'S STANDING ON THESE SCHOOL, LOTS FOR 54 DAYS, EVEN ON TOP OF 17, 54 DAYS. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF IT'S A HEALTHIEST, BUT CAN, WELL, WE CAN DEBATE THE HEALTH RISKS, BUT WE HAD TO PUT A CHARGE ON YOUR HOME AND YOUR PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THAT'S AN ESTABLISHED, YOU SAID YOU COULD GRAB IT ACROSS THE STREET AND NOBODY PUMPED RIGHT WHERE WE PUMPING RIGHT NOW. 
          WHERE ARE YOU GUYS WITH THAT MOUNTAIN WATER ON THE HITS TAKES A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT. 
          SO I'M DOING, YOU KNOW, AS A HOMEOWNER, BUT IF ASSISTANCE FUND CITY WELCOME. 
          WELL, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS WE KNOW THERE'S DRAGONS ALL OVER THE CITY AND WE AREN'T, WE WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A PLAN IN PLACE TO FIX THEM. 
          IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. 
          AND FOR SOMEBODY TO TELL YOU THAT IS, WOULD BE TELLING YOU SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE CAN DO. 
          THAT'S ALL WE CAN ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT ON.
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