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THAT'S ALL OF OUR HEAD AND A BRIEF PRAYER FATHER.
WE THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
ONCE AGAIN, TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THIS BOARD SPECIAL WISDOM AS THEY DELIBERATE ALL THE MATTERS THAT COME BEFORE THEM.
TONIGHT, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD EMPOWER THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT HERE TO GIVE US WISE ADVICE AS THEY SPEAK TO US ABOUT THE VARIOUS MATTERS THAT ARE AT HAND.
THE FIRST THING WE HAVE AS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET FOR 95 96, SO THAT WHEN WE DO THIS, MAYBE WE'LL JUST START ON THE FRONT ROW AND WORK BACK TO SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE ANY COMMENT ON THE BUDGET.
SO THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE FRONT ROW HAVE ANYTHING THANK YOU.
WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.
I'M JUST HOPING THAT IS IN THIS NINE, FIVE AND 96 BUCKS.
I KNOW 2010 OR 15 YEARS, AND I CAN'T EVEN SWIM WHEN I WAS IN HOSPITAL
AND WE HAD SO YOUNG PEOPLE SWIMMING, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO SWIM AND REALLY CUT OUT ALL OF THIS TENSION BECAUSE WE REALIZED THAT SOMEWHERE WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE FOR THEM THIS WAY THEY GO ON.
SO BY THE OF YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH ROBBERIES.
AND THEN THEY SAID,
AND I NOTICED THE CITY, YOU STILL HAVE A PLACE.
BUT NOW I THINK THAT THE OWNER HAD THAT RACE.
WELL, THEN IF I WOULD HAVE SAID THAT THEY WERE PARTICULAR, PUT THIS ITEM IN THE BUDGET, BUT IF WE CAN WORK THE WALL, GET THIS TO WHAT CAN THE GALA WE HAD SAID YOU GET ANYTHING AND IF
MY NAME IS PETER DRISCOLL TRACK HOUSE DRIVE.
UH, ON BEHALF OF THE CRAVING ARTS CONSOLE, CARRIE WORTHY, THE DIRECTOR ASKED ME IF I WOULD STEP IN TONIGHT.
HE WANTED TO MEET HER, BUT COULDN'T BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS ENGAGEMENT, UM, AS PRESIDENT OF THE ARTS COUNCIL, JUST DURING THESE LAST SIX MONTHS, UH, I'VE BEEN AWARE OF MANY PROGRAMS THAT THEY DO THAT I DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED.
AND IN CONSIDERATION OF YOUR UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR FOR 95, 96, WE HOPE THAT YOU NOT ONLY MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SPENDING IN REGARDS TO THE DONATION, TO THE ARTS COUNCIL THAT YOU GIVE, BUT PERHAPS CONSIDER INCREASING IT.
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WE CAN GET THIS ROOM TAX GOING TO BE ABLE TO NO ROOM TAX THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT.WE BELIEVE THAT A LARGE PORTION OF THE REASON FOR TOURISTS TO COME TO NEW BURNER IS THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO.
AND THE REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE TO LIVE AND ENJOY THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO.
AND A LOT OF THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVITIES AND THE DEFENSE OF THE CREATIVE ARTS CONSOLE.
THE GALLERY OVER HERE ON MILL STREET PRESENTS MANY FINE PROGRAMS DURING THE YEAR IN THE GALLERY, BUT ALSO REACHES OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY WITH PROGRAMS TO CHILDREN, FOR PEOPLE IN VARIOUS AREAS AROUND THE COUNTY.
AND THEN ALSO FOR MANY OF OUR SENIORS THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE.
WE'RE NOT REALLY CREATING AN ARTS CONSTABLE.
WE HAVE A FINE LIBRARY DURING THE CITY.
HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE A ZOO OR A MUSEUM.
THERE ARE MANY OTHER CULTURAL THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THEIR LIVES AND THE CRAVEN ARTS COUNCIL, AND MANY, MANY THINGS THAT MAKE THIS A FINE PLACE, WHICH TO LIVE.
PLEASE KEEP UP THE SPENDING FOR THE ARTS, UH, RETURNS MANY, MANY DOLLARS FOR THE ONES THAT YOU SPENT TO OUR AREA.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT ROAD? UH, THANKS.
I WAS MISSING THIS GENTLEMAN TALK.
I'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS THEY CAN DO IN THE CITY.
I'VE GOT A WHOLE YARD FULL OF LAMBS.
IF THEY CAN COME PICK US UP, PICK IT UP.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH TO DO IN THE CITY AND MOVEMENT WORK, BUT I'M HERE TO NOT JUST TO SAY A FEW THINGS.
CUT TAXES, TAXES, CUT TAXES, CUT, WASTE, CUT, WASTE, CUT, WASTE.
THE ELECTRICAL BILLS IN THIS CITY.
MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES THAT ARE HURTING TODAY BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING OUR TAXES.
MY HUSBAND MAKES A GOOD SALARY.
I'VE NEVER ASKED FOR ANYTHING.
I'VE NEVER PUT MY HAND UP RIGHT.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE EXCESS WORKERS WE HAVE IN THIS TOWN, IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, WHERE THERE'S TOO MANY, DOING, NOT ANYTHING AT PARTIES.
AND I'M BASING THAT ON SOME OF THE THINGS I SEE ANYBODY.
I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN DOWN THE TOWN, THE STREETS AND SEEING WORKERS WORKING OUT.
THERE'S ABOUT FIVE OR SIX MEN OUT THERE.
TWO OF THEM WORKING THE REST ARE STANDING AROUND GOOFING OFF.
I MEAN, IF THAT WAS NOT A MAN, A BUSINESSMAN THAT COULD BE CALLED BAD BUSINESS.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE WASTE.
BUT MY HUSBAND MAKES THE HOOD SALAD.
I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, HOW IN THE WORLD DOES THAT MAKE IT TODAY? BECAUSE WE ARE DOING VERY WELL, BUT WE ARE SQUEAKING.
THANK GOD THAT MY HUSBAND HAS A THRIFTY PERSON LOOKING OUT FOR HIS INTERESTS, BUT THEY WERE NOT.
I JUST SAY, I WISHED I COULD KEEP MY HOUSE THIS MORE.
NOT EVEN PAY MY ELECTRICAL BILL.
THIS NEEDS TO BE ABOUT 60, 65, 68 DEGREES IN HERE.
I'M ABOUT TO COOK, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.
I AM GETTING THRIFTY ON MY ELECTRICAL BILL, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN IT COMES IN, SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE TAILORED FOR SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PAY THAT ELECTRICAL BILL.
YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND GOING UP.
EVEN ON SMALL BUSINESSES, THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER I'M JUST HEARING AND SAY, LET'S GET RID OF SOME OF THE WASTE THAT WE'VE GOT HERE.
LET'S STOP SOME OF THE PROGRAMS WHERE PEOPLE COME IN BED FOR MONTHS, THEY NEED TO START.
IF YOU START THEM OUT AND DO THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, TELL THEM YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO START STAYING ON YOUR OWN, TO FIX STUFF AND STUFF THAT COME BACK EVERY YEAR.
WHEN A MONTH, WE NEED TO STOP THE MONEY, GIVE OUT AND START HAVING PEOPLE STAND ON HER OWN TWO FEET, THEN ANYBODY ELSE BACK ON THE BACK ROAD.
HAVE 10, 17 CURRENT, UH, UH, WE,
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THE LADY THAT SAID THIS, ONE OF MY ELECTRIC BILL IS 325.AND
AND I'M NOT KNOWING WHY IS THOUSAND PEOPLE JUST IN BAD SHAPE OR WORSE SHAPE NINE DEAL ME, HAVE SOMETHING DONE TO IT AND THAT'S CUT IT DOWN.
IT'S BEEN GOING UP FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
UH, SATURDAY WAS THERE'S NOWHERE TO HIDE PRICES GOING UP ON YESTERDAY WHEN I COULDN'T BE CORRECT.
AS YOU SAID, MEN GO TO WORK, GETS DOWN AROUND THREE, DOING THAT, DOING NOTHING.
A LOT OF NEAT THINGS WOULD BE BACK IF, TO GET THE PEOPLE BARELY I AM BILL HARPER, 46, 25, TALKING ABOUT TAXES, TAXES, TAXES, FAT, FAT WASTE WASTE WASTE.
I SEE ELECTRIC CITY PAID $500,000.
SETTLING THE GLOBAL TRANSPORT FOR GLOBAL TRENDS FOR $500,000, KILOWATTS FAT WEIGHT TAX.
AND THEY KNOW THE TAX, BUT MAKING A MOCK OF THE TAXPAYER WE'LL STOP NOVEMBER THE EIGHT.
I DID THE BEST I COULD TO SEND A MESSAGE TO EVERYBODY.
I STARTED THREE YEARS AGO, TRYING TO LIVE ON MY OWN LIST THAT TAXES, THE WASTE HAD TO STOP.
THIS I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.
THE SPIRITS OF WORK AND OF WORKERS.
I WATCHED THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS.
WHEN MS. BARBARA WAS SPEAKING PEOPLE THAT COME UP AND COMPLAIN, PLEASE DON'T CALL US TROUBLE WITH TRYING TO TAKE THE TRIP WITH TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING ON NINE TIMES OUT OF 10, THE PEOPLE YOU SEE, SPEAKING OF WEIGHTS, TRACKS, TATTOOS, AND ALL KINDS OF JUNK.
THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ANYBODY OUT THERE WELCOME TO TOWN.
HOW MANY OF YOU EVEN KNEW THAT THERE WAS $500,000 FROM YOUR ELECTRICS JUST SITTING RIGHT HERE IS
THE PUBLIC THINKS WE'LL LOOK TRANS PARK.
THE FIGHT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS, AS A MATTER OF $5 LICENSE PLATE.
AS HENSON MARTIN SAYS, ORDER OF FRIES AND A COKE.
I CAN SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE WHERE THEY LOST $9 MILLION THE LAST TWO YEARS.
CAN WE STAY ON THE SUBJECT OF OUR BUDGET? BECAUSE IT IS HOT IN HERE.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT THE TRANSPORT HAS NOTHING TO DO AT THE BOARD.
HERE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, OKAY.
I'LL GO BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS ARE CRAVEN COUNTY,
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THE CITY OF NEWTON, AND I'M ATTACK TO YOU THROUGH THE LAKE CITY.I'M DOING EXACTLY WHAT MS. BARBARA SAID, YOU CAN KEEP ON FEEDING THESE PET PROJECTS.
WE HAD SOME PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
WE WERE SAYING SINCE 1996 IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY.
I HAVE FRIENDS OUT HERE, BUT THE BEST ONE I GOT IS NOT THERE.
AND I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE TAKING IT DOWN A HOT POCKET.
IF YOU'D GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT, BECAUSE BELIEVE ME, IT'S GOING TO GET SUED.
WE WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.
I GUESS WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET.
THE NEXT THING THAT WE HAVE, IS IT A PUBLIC HEARING? YES.
I DON'T BELIEVE HE CAN SAY JUST PICK IT UP.
I HAD BEEN OUT THERE WITH, I HAD BEEN THERE ABOUT DIFFERENT, UM, AND IT'S EASY AND IT'S LIKE, HE GOT SHOT, BUT THEN YOUR DOGS COUNCIL, WE DO AT LEAST INSERT MY ELECTRIC BILL WATER BILL.
IT IS LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CUT THIS.
THE ELECTRIC CINDY'S GAVE UP HALF NAME
LIKE I SAID,
THEY WENT BACK TO THE, NOW WE CALL IT.
NEXT THING IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO A MAN.
THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF 13 DESIGNATED BLOCKS OF THE RIVERSIDE COMMUNITY FROM OUR 10 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, OUR EIGHT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, C5 OFFICE AND INSTITUTIONAL DISTRICT AND C4 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT TO OUR 10 S RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT PERMIT TO USE AS IN OUR 10 S RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OR A STRAIGHT INTO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ONLY EXISTING USES THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED IN OUR TNS.
RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WILL BE GRANDFATHERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE EIGHT AND THE NEWBURN LAND USE ORDINANCE.
SO MIKE, WOULD YOU OR BERNARD WANT TO FELLOW SAN ON THIS OR IS THAT SELF-EXPLANATORY? UH, MAYOR OR SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION ABOUT LOCATION.
I KNOW IT WAS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT IS ANYBODY WANT TO COME FORTH AND MAKE ANY COMMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON IT MAYER BEFORE WE SPEAK, IS IT POSSIBLE JUST TO GET A CENSUS OF ALL THOSE THAT ARE FOR OR GET ALRIGHT, WHOSE BOARD IS AGAINST? WE CAN DISMISS WHAT THE HEARING.
WE'VE TRIED TO SAY REALLY MUCH MONEY AND NOT REPLACING THAT MICE IT'S FUNERAL.
NO, I THINK DANNY, UH, THAT PROVES IT'S TOO HOT IN HERE.
WHEN YOU MELT THIS MAILED ME TOO.
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MAN.IF NOBODY IS AGAINST THIS, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH CLOSING THE PUBLIC, HEARING THIS PAST.
IF NOBODY'S AGAINST, I JUST DON'T MISS THE PUBLIC, JUST WANTING TO BE HEARD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD INTENTIONS OF DOING, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAD A REASON, AGAIN, MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARING, BE CLOSED SECOND.
I WANT TO MAKE A, TO ADOPT THE, UH, ZONING CLASSIFICATION SECONDS.
ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL IT LEVEL.
UM, AND MAKE THAT THAT'S THAT NEXT THING WE HAVE IS A CONSENT AGENDA.
WE'LL BE WINNING JUST A SNACK.
YOU WANT TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FIVE? SIX HAS BEEN STRUCK FROM TONIGHT.
IT HADN'T BEEN BRANDED NUMBER TENS, GONE THROUGH IT.
I HAD TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ELIMINATING ITEM FIVE AND SIX SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT CALLAWAY? YES.
UM, UM, I JUST WANT A, UH, AN EXPLANATION ON THIS NEW, OUR RATE SCHEDULE, PARTICULARLY I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE RE-EXPLAINED TO ME THE PURPOSE OF THIS NEW RATE CHANGE.
I KNOW IT WAS DONE IN THE WORK SESSION, BUT WHEN I LEFT, UH, I REALLY DIDN'T THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS IS JUST AN AREA THAT I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
WELL, THE WHOLE PURPOSE FOR THE RIGHT STUDY WAS TO, HE MET SOME CUSTOMERS THAT ARE TRYING ARE COST DRIVEN BY DEMAND ABOUT HALF OUR COST.
WE HAVE SOME CUSTOMERS ARE TRYING TO REDUCE DURING THE MAIN AND THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY ON EQUIPMENT.
THEY WON'T GIVE A BIG REWARD FOR DROPPING THAT DEMAND DURING OUR PEAK HOUR.
SO WE'VE MET SOME CUSTOMERS BACK IN JULY AND WITH A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HERE, THEY CAME UP THE RIGHT STUDY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND NOT HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE COMMERCIAL RIGHTS.
AND WE ENDED UP, YOU KNOW, REDESIGNING THE COMMERCIAL RATES SO THAT, UH, WE HAVE MORE EMPHASIS ON OUR DEMAND CHARGES AND WE REDUCE OUR ENERGY COSTS.
UH, THE OVERALL IMPACT IS REVENUE NEUTRAL TO THE, UH, TO THE CITY, BUT WE'RE HOPING TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE MURPHY CUSTOMERS THAT ARE WILLING TO PUT IN EQUIPMENT AND REDUCE THE DEMAND THAT THE CITY SAVED ON THEIR COSTS, HELP THEMSELVES SAY, BUT THE WAY RACHEL INSTRUCTOR, UH, WE WEREN'T SENDING THAT MESSAGE TO, TO THE COACH.
AND, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR LARGE GENERAL SERVICE, UH, WE WERE CHARGING LIKE $12, 46 CENTS PER KW.
YOUR WHOLESALE COST IS A LITTLE OVER $19 PER KD.
SO IN DESIGN OF THESE RATES, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IN, UH, TO ENOUGH TO COVER OUR COSTS FOR THE MAIN.
AND IF THE CUSTOMER WANTS TO PUT IN A GENERATOR OR SOME TYPE OF SHAMING DEVICE, HE CAN SEE A SAVINGS OFF, OFF OF THAT 21, RATHER 12 BOTTLE THAT HE HAD FOR US.
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THAT MONEY, WHILE WE'RE INCREASING THE DEMAND CHARGES WERE HARRIS.SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RANKS ARE NOT GOING UP TO THE CUSTOMER OVERALL MYTH, AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN SHIFT THE DEMAND.
UH, WE CAN GET THE, THOSE CODES, THE SAME CITY WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE TWO.
SO YOU SAY THIS, THIS IS RATE NEUTRAL REVENUE, REVENUE, REVENUE, NEUTRAL.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS THEN, OR IF IT'S REVENUE NEUTRAL AND THIS IS DONE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE BUSINESSES WITH THE GREATEST DEMAND TO SAVE ON THEIR RACE, IF THEY HAVE THE RIGHT KIND OF EQUIPMENT TO REDUCE THEIR DEMAND, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S SENDING THE MESSAGE THAT THIS IS WHAT'S COSTING.
THE CITY MONEY IS 50% OF OUR WHOLESALE COST IS THE MAIN, AND WE CAN, WE'D LIKE TO DO MORE IN THAT AREA.
WE DON'T WANT TO SKYROCKET EVERYBODY'S RATES.
WE'RE DOING AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT, HEY, THE MAN IS, WHAT'S COSTING US.
IF YOU CAN SHIFT THAT IN DEMAND, BY GOING DARK TIME, RED SCHEDULE, OR BY USING THE LONE MAN IN THE BLADDER, YOU CAN HELP THE CITY AND ALSO HELP YOU.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO A SMALL RETAIL BUSINESS TYPE, FOR INSTANCE, UH, UH, LET'S SEE, BURN SQUARE.
ALL HE BURNS IS FLUORESCENT LIGHTS, NO HOT WATER HEATER.
AND, AND YET HIS BILL IS GOING TO INCREASE.
HOW CAN, HOW, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? AND HE HAS NO DEMAND.
ALL HE HAS IS FLUORESCENT LIGHT HIGHS AT THAT HIS RATE WILL INCREASE ON A NEW, THIS NEW RATE SCHEDULE.
I'M GOING TO USE MYSELF AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, OPERATE A SMALL BUSINESS.
NONE OF MY BILLS HAVE A DEMAND ON IT.
I DON'T HAVE A HOT WATER HEATER.
ALL I BURN IS FLUORESCENT LIGHTS AND EFFICIENT TIGHT RIDERS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL NEW ENERGY, EFFICIENT COMPUTERS.
I WAS TOLD THAT UNDER THIS NEW RACE SCHEDULE, MY BILL CAN GO UP BETWEEN SEVEN TO $10 A MONTH, WHICH IS NOT A LOT, BUT, BUT IT INCREASES.
AND IT MAKES ME BELIEVE THAT THIS NEW RATE SCHEDULE IS DESIGNED TO BENEFIT BIG BUSINESSES.
I CAN'T BUY EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT TO CUT DOWN MY DEMAND BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A DEMAND.
AND IF, TO ME, IF THIS NEW RATE SCHEDULE, UH, IS DESIGNED TO MAKE THE SMALL BUSINESSES PAY MORE, PAY AN EQUITABLE MORE, MORE, A MORE EQUITABLE AMOUNT VN, IT OUGHT TO BE EVERY DEDUCTION TO SOME OTHER FOLKS, MAYBE RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS THERE'LL BE OUGHT TO BE REDUCED.
AND I JUST DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
AND I JUST THINK THIS IS A RESULT OF SOME FOLKS COMPLAINING, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PAY THE PRICE OF BIG BUSINESSES, PURCHASING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF EQUIPMENT TO SAVE MONEY.
THAT THAT LOAD SHOULD NOT BE PLACED ON THE SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER ABLE TO PAY ISH.
THE LARGE BUSINESS ARE BETTER ABLE TO PAY, AND YOU SHOULDN'T PUT THE BURDEN ON THE SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS ABLE TO PAY.
I MEAN, AROUND HERE, THE CITY IS FULL OF SMALL BUSINESSES, PAYING MINIMUM WAGE JOBS, HAVING A MINIMUM WAGE JOB RATHER AND SLIGHTLY ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE.
AND AS A POLICY, THIS BULLSHIT AND WANT TO HAVE A RATE SCHEDULE THAT WOULD RESULT IN ANY INCREASE IN SMALL BUSINESSES.
AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME HELP BIG BUSINESSES BECAUSE LARGER BUSINESSES ARE BETTER ABLE TO PAY A RATE, INCREASE RATES, RELATIVE SMALL BUSINESSES.
AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T BUY THIS, THIS, THIS DIDN'T START UNTIL A FEW PEOPLE CALLED AND SAID, LISTEN, I BOUGHT $50,000 WORTH OF EQUIPMENT.
AND I TRIED TO, TO, UH, SAVE SOME MONEY BY HAVING MY GENERATORS CUT DOWN AT A CERTAIN PEAK TIME.
BUT NOW I DON'T GET ANY CREDIT FOR IT.
WELL, NOW IT'S CHANGED SO THAT THE RATE INCREASE IN THE BURDEN OF THE, YOUR, THE INCREASE IS PLACED IN SKEW AGAINST THE SMALL BUSINESSMAN.
LET ME, LET ME SAY A FEW THINGS RIGHT THERE.
NUMBER ONE, IF SOMEBODY IS PURCHASING SOMETHING FOR $12 FROM THE CITY OF THIS COST IN THE CITY OF $19, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DEFINE AS AN INEQUITY.
AND THAT WOULD TELL ME THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS PAYING FOR THAT GUYS.
IF HE'S NOT PAYING FOR IT, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, SOME PEOPLE BROUGHT UP TONIGHT THAT
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THEY WANTED US TO REDUCE THE ELECTRIC BILL, BUT THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT WE HAVE, UH, AVOIDED PASSING ON AN INCREASE ALREADY.AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOME MORE OF THAT.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO IT, THERE'S SOME THINGS WE CANNOT DO.
AND THAT IS THE RATE IS PASSED ON TO US FROM THE POWER AGENCY AND SO FORTH.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT, BUT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THEIR PLANT WE'RE BUYING AND HOW MUCH DEMAND WE'RE REQUIRING FROM THEM.
AND, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE CAN'T DO IT UNLESS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE ENERGY OR CREATING THE DEMAND, SLACK UP ON IT.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET THEM TO SLACK UP ON IT IS TO GIVE THEM AN INCENTIVE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DROPPED BACK, YOU'LL SAVE MONEY, BUT IN ALL DUE RESPECT, NO WHAT RESPECT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE ZERO DEMAND? THEIR RATES ARE GOING TO DECREASE.
LET ME SAY SOMETHING FIRST OFF.
I COULD SHOW, I JUST SHOWED RALPH, MY BILL, BILL, SOME BILLS.
SOME PEOPLE DO HAVE, I DIDN'T CHARGE, BUT EVERYBODY DEMAND IS HOW IT IS HOW MUCH POWER YOU REQUIRE AT A GIVEN TIME FROM THE POWER COMPANY.
SO IF YOUR LIGHTS ARE WRONG, YOU'RE REQUIRING SOME POWER.
BUT MY POINT IS THIS, IF YOU'RE AS A SMALL BUSINESS, GOES UP SIX OR $7 OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD MEAN THAT HE WAS GETTING BY ON LESS, BEFORE, WHICH YOU SHOULD BE LUCKY THAT HE WAS SHORT AT SIX OR $7 BEFORE.
AND YOU KNOW, AND NOT LET IT BE UPSET THAT HE'S HAVING TO PAY SIX OR $7 MORE.
NOW, THE POINT IS, ONCE AGAIN, IF WE DO NOT DO THINGS SUCH THAT THE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE POWER, I MEAN, WE CAN'T GIVE IT TO HIM.
HE CAN GO OUT INTO MY HOUSE, SO TO SPEAK RIGHT NOW.
AND HE DOES IT WITH THAT, UH, WHEN THE LOAD, UH, DEVICES THAT ARE ON MY HOT WATER HEATERS AND ALL THAT BUSINESS.
SO HE CAN CONTROL SOMEONE THAT DEMAND, BUT HE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER DEMAND THAT HAS TO COME FROM THE CUSTOMER.
IF HE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE DEMAND, THEN THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMPLAINING NOW ARE GOING TO BE THREE TIMES LOUDER THAN THAT IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY US ON THESE INCREASES THAT ARE COMING TO US.
SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE EXCEPT TO INDUCE THE CUSTOMER WHO IS USING THE POWER TO DO THINGS, TO BRING THE DEMAND CHARGES DOWN.
WHAT IS IT AT $19? I THINK, DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THAT IS? THAT'S A FOUR PLUS A WATER HEATER, A 4500, 4 AND A HALF K DEBBIE, IF A WATER HEATER POPPED ON DURING THAT TIME, IT WOULD BE 4.5 TIMES 19 BUCKS.
RIGHT? AND THAT INSTANTANEOUS CHARGE JUST LIKE THAT, BUT THE MAYOR THEY'RE AWESOME.
YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD NUMBER ONE, THAT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY DEMANDS.
NOW I LOOKED AT MY BILL, I SEE A CLASSIFICATION.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE MAN IN CHARGE.
WELL, WHY DON'T I HAVE A DEMAND CHARGE, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHY THE SMALL GENERAL SERVICE HAS BEEN STRUCTURED, JUST LIKE A PRESIDENT.
IT'S HARD TO GO OUT AND DO WELL.
IF I DON'T HAVE A DEMAND CHARGE BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS SO SMALL, THEN WHY WILL MY RATE INCREASE? WHEN THE THEORY BEHIND THIS IS TO CHARGE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DEMAND MORE MONEY AND MAKE THEM PAY.
IF I DON'T HAVE A DEMAND AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE AN INCREASE, THAT'S THE SAME THING FOR OTHER BUSINESSES.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A DEMAND AND SHOULDN'T BE, BE AT THERE, SHOULDN'T BE AN INCREASE.
THIS WHOLE THING IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED ON THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WILL EAT.
THE MEN OUGHT TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, BUT YET I DON'T HAVE A DEMAND.
OTHER BUSINESSES LIKE MINE DON'T HAVE A DEMAND, BUT YET THEY'LL BUILD IS GOING TO GO UP.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME ABOUT EXPLAINING WHY YOU DID THAT.
IF I COULD START OFF BY SAYING I DID NOT GIVE ANY MONEY TO THE ROYAL TRANSPORT, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO, UH, ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS, MR. RAINER, UH, IT'S, IT'S INACCURATE TO SAY THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY DEMAND.
YOU ARE COSTING THE CITY OF NEWBURGH TO PURCHASE DEMAND FOR YOUR METER, FOR THE SITE WHERE YOU PURCHASE ELECTRICITY.
THE CITY IS PAYING FOR THAT DEMAND TO THE TWO NOTE, $19 PER KW.
NOW, WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE RUNNING AT YOUR SIDE.
I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY KW DEMAND YOU REGISTER ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WHICH IS HOW THE DEMAND IS IS MEASURED.
BUT IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY FAIR ASSUMPTION THAT YOU ARE USING A GIVEN AMOUNT OF DEMAND, BUT YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT.
BECAUSE AS YOU SAID YOURSELF, THERE IS NO DEMAND CHARGE IN YOUR BILL.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HOPE TO FIX WITH THIS.
NOW, THERE IS A SMALL CLASS OF CUSTOMERS WHERE THE HOPE TO INTRODUCE A DEMAND CHARGE AND LOWER ENERGY CHARGES COULDN'T COME TO FRUITION BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO EVEN INTRODUCE A 50 CENT PER KW DEMAND CHARGE TO THOSE CUSTOMERS, SOME OF THEIR BILLS WOULD SKYROCKET TO THE TUNE OF A HUNDRED PERCENT
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TO 200% INCREASES.AND I DON'T THINK YOU OR ANY SMALL BUSINESS OWNER WANTS TO HAVE THEIR ELECTRIC BILL INCREASE THAT MUCH WHEN THE ALTERNATIVE IS A SEVEN TO $10 A MONTH.
WHAT WAS THE OTHER, WELL, LET, LET ME ASK YOU, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
NOW, UM, AT WHAT USES DO YOU PUT A DEMAND CHARGE ON A BILL AT WHAT? UNDER THE PROPOSED RATES? WELL, UNDER THE, UNDER THE EXISTING RATES, AT WHAT POINT DO YOU GET, SEE, I'M LOOKING AT THIS BILL, IT SAYS DEMAND BLANK, BILLING, SIX ACTUAL 5.8, THE MAN, THERE WAS NO FIGURE DOWN FOR DEMAND.
SO APPARENTLY IF YOU USE A CERTAIN MINIMUM, THEN YOU GET A DEMAND CHARGE.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THAT THE BUSINESSES WHO DON'T HAVE A CERTAIN USAGE, THEY ARE NOT, THEY OUGHT TO BE PAYING THE SAME THING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COSTING THE CITY.
ACCORDING TO YOUR THEORY, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COSTING THE CITY MONEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE BIG DEMAND, THIS.
SO THE SMALL BINS DON'T HAVE A BIG DEMAND BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT BILLING THEM FOR IT.
IT'S SO MINUSCULE THAT YOU'RE NOT BILLING THEM FOR IT.
HOWEVER, IT IS STILL COSTING THE CITY MONEY AND IN THE ENERGY CHARGE THAT IS BEING LEVIED AGAINST THOSE, THOSE CUSTOMERS.
THE CITY IS NOT MAKING UP THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR DEMAND TO SERVE THAT CUSTOMER.
WE, WE DIDN'T SAY THAT THE LARGE DEMAND USERS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE COSTING THE CITY MONEY.
ANY DEMAND USER IS COSTING THE CITY MONEY AND THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE MADE UP THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION OF A DEMAND CHARGE OR ANY HIGHER ENERGY CHARGE FOR THAT SMALL GENERAL SERVICE.
ONE CLASS, RALPH AT WHAT WHAT'S THE, UH, THE, WHAT KILOWATTS DO YOU HAVE TO USE IN ORDER TO INCUR A DEMAND CHARGE RIGHT NOW? IT TAKES 35.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT ALDERMAN REINER'S SAYING ABOUT DEMANDING.
THERE WILL NEVER BE A DEMAND CHARGE, NO MATTER HOW MUCH ENERGY YOU USE ON YOUR METER, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A DEMAND METER THERE.
THE ONLY TIME THERE IS A DEMAND CHARGES, WHEN WE CAN MEASURE THE DEMAND WITH A DEMAND METER, WHICH IS AN EXPENSIVE MIRROR THAT IS USED A SEPARATE KIND OF METER THAN THE TYPE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, YOU PROBABLY ARE.
WELL, I KNOW YOU ARE, YOU'D HAVE TO BE CHARGED WITH THE DEMAND.
IF THEY WERE SAY A HUNDRED BUSINESSES, LIKE ROBERT'S SITTING OUT THERE, THERE'S NOT A DEMAND MADE ON EACH BUSINESS, BUT IT'S A DEMAND METER BACK INTO SUBSTATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATE IS GETTING CHARGED FOR.
DON'T YOU HAVE A WATER HEATER IN YOUR OFFICE? NO.
WELL, I ASKED, I THINK, I THINK YOU OUGHT TO HAVE A RATE CLASSIFICATION FOR SMALL BUSINESS WHO YOU UNDER 35 KILOWATTS A MONTH ON AN AVERAGE, HOW WAS A RATE SCALE THAT WOULD MAKE THEIR RATES STAY THE SAME ON THIS? SCARY, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU, YOU ARE INCREASING THEIR RATES WHEN THEIR DEMAND IS THE LOWEST AND SEE THE POLICY OF THIS CITY.
NO, ON THE ECONOMY OF THE CITY, NO ONE, THE KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT MAKE THIS CITY RUN THE POSITIVE THIS CITY, WHEN IT COMES TO RACE, OUGHT TO BE A DESIRE TO KEEP SMALL BUSINESSES RUNNING AND KEEP THEM PROFITABLE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CORPORATIONS, BIG, MAJOR CORPORATE ENTITIES IN THIS TOWN.
WE HAVE THIS TOWN HAS MADE UP A BUNCH OF, A BUNCH OF SMALL MOM AND POP BUSINESSES.
I'M GOING TO, WE ONLY, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MAJOR INDUSTRIES.
AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY SMALL BUSINESSES DO THAT WE HAVE, THEY WOULD BE IN A CATEGORY HE'S TALKING ABOUT NOT UNLIMITED, I BELIEVE.
CAUSE LIKE 900 TIMES $10, THAT'S $9,000 A MONTH.
IF THE SMALL BUSINESS DOESN'T PAY YOU THE $10 A PIECE, WHO DO YOU PROPOSE TO PAY THE $9,000? WE ALL SEE IT TO ME.
IF, IF APPARENTLY THEY MUST NOT BE USING ENOUGH BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN START CHARGING YOU A DEMAND RATE UNTIL YOU GET TO SO MANY.
ALL THAT DEMAND ADDED TOGETHER AS A PUNCH, EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, IT'S, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULDN'T LIKE IT.
IF HE CHARGED YOU FOR THE DEMAND, THAT'S THE BOND.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT A AND MADE HER OWN, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T MIND BECAUSE I WILL BE USING IT.
I WILL BE USING A CERTAIN AMOUNT, WHICH WOULD INVOKE THAT CHARGE.
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SINCE A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES ARE UNDER THAT 35 OR SOME ARBITRARY THING, AND THIS IS, THIS WHOLE THING IS ARBITRARY.WHAT I'M SAYING, WE ARBITRARILY SET THE RATES SO THAT IT WON'T RESULT IN AN INCREASE.
THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT USE UNDER AN AVERAGE OF 35 KILOWATTS A MONTH, NONE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE ARBITRARY.
WE LOOKED AT EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER IN THE, THE HISTORICAL DATA THAT WAS SENT TO ELECTRICITIES AND BASED ON THE USAGE DATA FOR ONE YEAR THAT WE HAD FOR EVERY SINGLE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER, I MADE APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATIONS TO RALPH AND ASK RALPH TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY BOARD AT THEIR REQUEST.
I STILL, WHY IS IT THAT WELL, WHY, WHAT, WHY, HOW COME THEN THEY DIDN'T SET A DEMAND CHARGE FOR 20 KILOWATTS AVERAGE USE OR OVER A YEAR THAT'S ARBITRARY.
DOES THAT STOP USHER IN IT? BECAUSE IT WOULD INCUR FURTHER COSTS TO THE CITY TO PUT A DEMAND METER ON EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE 900 SMALL SITES.
AND THE THEORY BEHIND THIS METHOD OF RATE SETTING IS THAT YOU MAKE UP THAT COST THROUGH THE ENERGY CHARGE.
AND THE FACT IS THE ENERGY CHARGE PREVIOUS TO TONIGHT HAS NOT BEEN HIGH ENOUGH ON THOSE SMALL GENERAL SERVICE CUSTOMERS.
THE CITY IS PAYING MORE FOR YOUR ELECTRICITY THAN YOU ARE.
HOW MUCH IS IT? DOES A DEMAND METER COST VERSUS A REGULAR METER LIKE HE HAS ON HIS BUSINESS.
TO BE HONEST, MR. HARTMAN, I DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT JUST THE RARE CAROL WATER AND MAYBE IT WAS 20 TWENTY-FIVE, $50 DEMAND, METERS TALKING ABOUT 125.
WELL, UM, I MEAN, YOU MAY BE RIGHT, BUT YOU MAYBE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I NEED THIS, EXCUSE ME.
I NEED TO, UH, I NEED TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL STUDIES.
IN FACT, I WANT TO SEE THE CHARGES, WHAT THE OTHER ELECTRICITY MEMBER CITIES DO AND THAT AD AND SEE P AND L BEFORE I CAN MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE TO ME, IF, IF, UM, EXCUSE ME, OF COURSE, I'M GOING TO READ IT.
THIS, THIS IS SERIOUS, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE I DON'T THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND WHAT DEMAND IS, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF, IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ON I'M JUST USING MY BILLS.
A POINT OF REFERENCE, THIS IS NOT VERY, THIS IS NOT JUST FOR ME, EXCLUSIVELY PERSON.
I'M JUST USING ME AS AN EXAMPLE.
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY, UH, ON A BILL WHEN UNDER THE CATEGORY OF DEMAND, THIS IS BLANK.
AND, BUT YET THIS IS DONE IN ORDER TO, UM, KEEP PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DEMAND, KEEP THEM PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE.
I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WELL, WE SHOULDN'T JUST LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE USING DEMAND BECAUSE THAT'S EVERY USER ON THE SYSTEM.
WHAT WE, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS RAISED CHARGES FOR THE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE COSTING THE CITY MORE AND WHO ARE NOT MAKING UP THOSE, THOSE COSTS SIMPLY PUT THE CITY IS LOSING MONEY ON THIS CLASS OF CUSTOMERS.
I JUST WANT TO BE SATISFIED IN MY MIND THAT THE CITY IS ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY ON THIS CLASS, A CUSTOMER, BECAUSE SEE, I, AGAIN, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW, HOW CAN A SMALL BUSINESS LIKE THIS SAVE MONEY WHO HAS NO HOSPITAL.
I WAS JUST GOING TO POINT OUT THAT IT WOULD BE NO USE IN TELLING YOU YOUR DEMAND, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SHADOW LOADS.
SO WHY SHOULD HE EVEN TELL YOU IT WILL DEMAND? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE WHY THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO, BUT CUT OUT SO YOU CAN CUT OFF.
SO YOU NEED TO, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THE, ALL THIS TERMINOLOGY AND SO FORTH.
AND I THINK YOU'LL UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT IT'S ABOUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE OF THE PEOPLE NOW THAT ARE GOING TO GET A DEMAND CHARGE, GIVE THEY THAT'S FINE.
THEY CAN AVOID THAT BY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR DEMAND, WHICH WOULD MEAN TO GIVE YOU JUST A ROUGH EXAMPLE.
IF YOU HAD A, SAY, TWO WATER HEATERS, FOR AN EXAMPLE, IF THIS WATER HEATER CAME ON AND WAS FOUR AND A HALF K W AND THIS SECOND WATER HEATER CAME ON IS FOUR AND A HALF.
KAY, DEBBIE, WHAT IF YOU TURNED ONE ON AND HEATED YOUR WATER AND TURNED IT OFF, TURN THE OTHER ONE ON AND HEATED YOUR WATER AND TURN IT OFF.
YOU'D STILL USE THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY TO BRING THAT COLD WATER UP TO ITS LEVEL OF HEAT.
BUT THE DEMAND WOULD ONLY BE FOUR AND A HALF KW SAY BECAUSE THAT'S AS HIGH AS IT GOT AT ONE TIME.
BUT WHEN YOU TURN THEM ON BROTHERHOOD ON AT ONCE YOU HAD NINE KW DEMAND, BUT AS FAR AS THE ENERGY USE IS THE SAME.
I MEAN, IF YOU TOOK THE BRITISH THERMAL UNITS AND HOW MUCH WATER IT WAS, AND TO CHANGE
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DEGREES CENTIGRADE AND ALL THIS BALONEY, YOU KNOW, YOU FIND OUT YOU USE THE SAME ENERGY.AND THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU'LL BUILD, YOU'LL BEING CHARGED FOR ENERGY.
DON'T CARE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING YOU COULD DO ANYWAY.
BUT, UH, IN THE CASE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE, THEY DO CHARGE THEM FOR THE DEMAND BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING THEY CAN DO.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THEY CAN DO.
BUT AT ANY RATE, THE CITY IS GETTING CHARGED FOR THE DEMAND, BECAUSE THINKING THE DEMAND, THIS WAY, THAT POWER GENERATOR IS MORE THAN ONE, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S ONE POWER GENERATOR OUT THERE IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING THIS MUCH POWER IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH BECAUSE OF ITS DEMAND, EVERYTHING ON AT ONCE OR WHATEVER SAYS, HEY, I'M GOING TO TAKE UP THAT MUCH.
IF YOU'RE GENERATING CAPACITY 25% OF IT, OR 20 AND WATER.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE GENERATING PLANT SAY, WELL, HEY, IF I'VE GOT TO SET ASIDE, SO TO SPEAK 25% OF MY GENERATING CAPACITY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
WELL, WHAT AM I GOING TO PAY? WELL, HOW MUCH DID THE PLANT COST? HOW MUCH IS THE FUEL THAT IS BURNING AND ALL OF THAT ROLL UP? YOU KNOW? SO THE POINT IS, IF THE CITY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO USE UP THIS ENERGY AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAT WATER, AND WE'RE GOING TO LIGHT BUILDINGS AND THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE A LOT SMARTER ABOUT IT AND NOT TURN THINGS ALL ON AT ONCE IN A PARTICULAR USER OR WHATEVER.
AND I CAN GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, I DON'T NEED 25% OF YOUR PLAN ANYMORE.
I ONLY NEED 15 TO 20% OF YOUR PLAN, BUT PLEASE KEEP RUNNING THE PLANT ALL NIGHT, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO STILL EAT THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER AND DO THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE A LITTLE SHREWDER ABOUT DOING IT AT THE SAME TIME.
AND ONE OF THE FEW WAYS WE'VE GOT A DRIVING DOWN THE COST OF ELECTRICITY IS STAYING ON TOP OF IT SO THAT WE CAN KEEP FROM PASSING ON FOR ELECTRIC RATE INCREASES, WHICH WE HAVE DONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A MATTER, I CAN SEE YOUR POINT IN THE SENSE THAT YOU FEEL LIKE JUST ON CURSORY EXAMINATION OF HIM, THAT HERE'S THE SMALL BUSINESS GUY, WHO'S DONE NOTHING, SO TO SPEAK AND NOT NO SIN.
AND YET IT SEEMS THAT HE'S GETTING THEM INCREASE.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE AND YOU DESERVE AN EXPLANATION.
AND IT'S NOT EASY TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THESE ELECTRICAL TERMS, WHICH I HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, THIS IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
I WANT TO TALK TO YOU AGAIN, ONE-ON-ONE BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME, TO SATISFY MORE THAN HAPPY TO, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'LL UNDERSTAND IT.
THEN AT THE SAME, I WOULD LIKE IN THE INTERIM TO FIND OUT WHAT THE OTHER MEMBERS OF ELECTRICITY ARE DOING AS FAR AS THEIR RATE FOR SMALL GENERAL BUSINESSES.
AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE CP AND L'S OR RAPE SO THAT I CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON WHAT THE POLICY OF THE RATE SCHEDULE SHOULD BE FOR THIS CITY.
AND, AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THAT THIS SO THAT IT CAN COME UP AGAIN FOR THE NEXT MONTH.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EFFECT EFFECTIVE FEBRUARY ONE, THAT IT COME UP AGAIN.
SO IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE MARCH THE MARCH ONE.
I JUST NEED SOME TIME TO EXAMINE THIS, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M DOING THE RIGHT THING, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE ONLY ONE AFFECTED, BUT 900 OTHERS.
I MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT WILL, UH, WITH SATISFIES SMALL BUSINESSES, KEEP THEM THE SAME AND YET HELP EVERYBODY.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT UNTIL I DIG INTO IT AGAIN, AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS, AS THE MIRROR SAID, JUST FROM LOOKING AT MY, UH, MY BILL WITH NO DEMAND AND JUST A CURSORY EXAMINATION OF IT.
AND JUST LISTENING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I REALLY DON'T THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND IT.
AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS RATE CHANGE, I WOULD BE REMISS TO JUST VOTE FOR SOMETHING.
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO STAND THAT VOTE.
I'VE DONE THAT TOO MANY TIMES IN THE PAST, AND I DON'T WANT TO DO IT AGAIN.
ANYBODY SAY ANY DISCUSSION? OH, YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT LITTLE TINY, LIKE YOU ONLY HAVE TWO.
WHOEVER FEELS LEFT, NODS ON THAT FIRST GO INTO THIS.
WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A COMPARISON.
UM, ROB, IF YOU GO, Y'ALL AT LEAST IT USED TO BE, BUT I CAN'T SWEAR.
IF YOU GO TO THE OFFICE BETWEEN EIGHT FIVE, LIKE MOM, DISTANCE PHONE CALL, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU FOUR BILLS.
IF YOU WAIT TILL AFTER FIVE, AND I GET SAME ON THIS PHONE CALLS BETWEEN 85, YOU HELD A LOT OF BUSINESSES, MY PIG DEMANDING THE PHONE LINES TO MAKE YOUR PHONE CALLS.
SO THEY KNOW WHEN YOU CAN GO AFTER THAT.
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THE SAME BASE AS IT.AND UNFORTUNATELY THE SMALL MEDICINE GO TO WORK MADE FIVE.
YOU GO TODAY, UH, AND SOME NEW 3, 4, 500 BUSINESSES IN THIS TOWN AND WHAT HAPPENED? THEY ALL START ON THE LIGHTS AND THEY BURN THE LIGHTS ON AT ALL.
WHEN YOU GO HOME, THE BAND PERIOD, IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT DON, BUT YOU DON'T PUT IT IN ELECTRICAL TERMS. YOU CAN PUT IT IN OUTLOOK, BUT IN MY MIND, THAT'S BOTTOM LINE.
AND NOW SHOULD THE CONSUMERS PAY FOR THAT?
WE DON'T WANT TO GO PLAY OR WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO PAY FOR? HOW MUCH IT, I MEAN, RESTAURANT CAN MAKE MORE MONEY IF THEY MAKE UP.
BUT YOU KNOW, AND I NOT LET IT DROP OUT.
THEN I MAKE THIS COMMENT, BUT I JUST, I'M NOT SATISFIED IN MY MIND AS TO WHY, WHY IT IS THAT THE CITY ARBITRARILY PUT 35 KILOWATTS AS THE FIGURE, THE CHARTER DEMANDED NOW.
I SAID, RALPH, AT WHAT POINT DID YOU GET A DEMAND CHARGE? HE SAID 35 KILOWATTS.
SO, I MEAN, HE DIDN'T DO THAT.
THIS WAS, THIS WAS, THIS IS AN EXISTING POLICY, RIGHT?
AND THE SAME TIME, IF SOMEBODY IN A LARGER BUSINESS COMES TO WORK LIKE MOP, NOW BOSTON'S NOT ON THE SYSTEM.
SO THEY DON'T SLEEP IN LA, BUT I WILL USE HIM AS A DECK.
WE BOUGHT THAT AT THE SAME TIME YOU COME HOME, THEY DON'T WANT A WHOLE LOT MORE LIKES THAN YOU DO A LOT MORE THAN YOU DID, BUT, AND THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, I CAN'T SAY, WELL, ANYWAY, IT'S TOO COMPLICATED RIGHT NOW.
I NEED TO SIT DOWN ONE ON ONES BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, OH, HERE.
OH, ROBERT, GOLDEN'S MORE INFORMATION.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD THIS INFORMATION? SINCE THURSDAY? WELL, THAT'S A LONG TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS.
AND A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED BEFORE.
WELL, MAX, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE ME TIME, VOTE AGAINST IT.
THAT'S ALL YOU'VE BEEN SPEAKING.
I HAD TIME TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF WORK I HAVE TO DO.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO FOR FOOD AGAINST IT.
YOU'VE BEEN SPEAKING FOR 20 MINUTES.
NOW, CAN I HAVE MY TWO OR THREE? I'M JUST TELLING YOU.
YOU HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO GO OVER IT, BUT I AM AGAINST INCREASING UTILITY RATES, THE SMALL BUSINESSES OR ANYONE ELSE IN PRINCIPLE, BUT I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF EVERYONE.
BE IT AN INDIVIDUAL, A SMALL INDUSTRY, A MEDIUM BUSINESS AND LARGE BUSINESS AND WHATEVER, PAYING THEIR SHARE.
THAT'S THE ONLY FAIR WAY I DON'T BELIEVE IN PUTTING PART OF THE COST.
THAT SHOULD, IT IS ACTUALLY INCURRED BY ONE CLASSIFICATION CUSTOMER ALL AT THE SOMEONE ELSE.
WELL, MACK, I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND THIS SUBJECT EITHER.
YOU'RE JUST GOING BY WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE TOLD YOU, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN ELECTRICITY.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED SOME TIME SOMEBODY TOLD YOU, THEY TOLD ME, IT'S YOU PUTTING THE BURDEN.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ON A SMALL BUSINESS.
IT'S MORE EQUITABLE, BUT I DON'T.
WE'LL LET HIM GO HERE WITH HIS, HIS PEACE.
AS I SAID BEFORE, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ANY PARTICULAR CLASSIFICATION, PAIN, THE LOAD FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
NOW, OUR PEOPLE WE ACCEPT AS BEING THE KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE IN THIS FIELD HAVE SHOWN THAT IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF THE COLLECTIVE LOAD INCURRED BY ONE GROUP OF CUSTOMERS, THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY PAYING LESS FOR ELECTRICITY THAN THE CITY IS PAYING FOR THE ELECTRICITY.
SOMEONE SOMEWHERE IS PICKING UP THE DIFFERENCE.
IT'S COMING OUT OF SOMEONE ELSE'S POCKET.
SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT HAVING THE BENEFIT OF USING THAT ELECTRICITY IS PAYING FOR IT.
THAT'S A BASIC UNFAIRNESS THAT NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED.
WE GOT A LOT OF CRITICISM BECAUSE OF OUR UTILITY RATES.
WE GET SLAPPED AROUND ABOUT THIS A LOT OF TIMES, AND PEOPLE WANT THEIR UTILITY RATES TO GO DOWN.
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I THINK THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.I THINK THAT OUR MAJOR EFFORT, OBVIOUSLY IN THE PAST HAS BEEN DIRECTED TOWARD TRYING TO KEEP THEM FROM CLIMBING ANY FASTER THAN THEY HAVE TO WHEN THE COST INCREASES TO US AS IT HAS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT IN 1993, THE CITY'S COST WENT UP 2%, $600,000 MORE.
THE CITY PAID FOR ELECTRICITY.
THE CUSTOMERS DID NOT GET ANY PART OF THAT.
INCREASE THE CITY THROUGH ITS CONSERVATION EFFORTS, THROUGH THE PEOPLE, THE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
AND IN OTHER WAYS, THE CONSTANT BATTLE TO CONTROL THE COST MANAGED TO ABSORB THAT INCREASE.
IN 1994, THE COST WENT UP AN ADDITIONAL 2% TO THE CITY.
THE CITY IS PAYING 2% IN 1994 THAN IT WAS IN 1993.
THE CUSTOMER'S COST DID NOT RISE THAT YEAR EITHER.
THAT'S ANOTHER $600,000, ACTUALLY A LITTLE MORE THAN $600,000 INCREASE TO THE CITY THAT THE CUSTOMERS DID NOT HAVE TO PAY.
IT'S AN INDICATION OF HOW HARD THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE IS WORKING TO CONTROL THE COST.
THIS IS ANOTHER OF THOSE CONSTANT EFFORTS TO TRY TO DETERMINE HOW TO CONTROL COSTS.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF AN INCREASE TO ANYONE, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO RESULT IN DECREASES IN SOMEONE.
THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO GET ONE MORE PENNY FOR UTILITIES THIS YEAR THAN IT DID LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND NO PRIVATE FAMILY IS GOING TO PAY ANY MORE UNDER THIS PLAN, RIGHT? IT IS NOT GOING TO COST THE INDIVIDUAL FAMILIES, ANYTHING.
THIS IS STRICTLY AN ADJUSTMENT TO SEE THAT SMALL BUSINESSES ARE CARRYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THE LOAD OF THEM.
AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SEE THE PRICE INCREASE TO THEM.
I AGREE WITH CONTINUING WHAT IS BASICALLY AN UNFAIR PRICING SITUATION WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER CITIES, IF THERE ARE OTHER CITIES, HIS EXPENSES RUN EXACTLY THE SAME AS OURS, THEN THEIR RATE STRUCTURE MIGHT RUN THE SAME, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER.
RALEIGH'S EXPENSES WOULD BE MORE, A SMALLER TOWN OR ANOTHER TOWN SOMEWHERE IN THE MOUNTAINS MIGHT BE LESS.
IT'S HARD TO SAY IF ALL OF THE THINGS ARE BEING EQUAL, THIS WILL CARRY WEIGHT, BUT OTHERWISE, NO.
NOW YOU WANT MORE TIME TO EXAMINE THIS.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IF YOU WANT MORE TIME, I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS INCREASE TO MARCH THE FIRST.
AND IF DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, YOU CAN FIND THE STATISTICS TO SHOW THAT WE ARE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING.
YOU BRING THEM BACK TO US AND WE WILL RESEND THIS ACTION BEFORE IT GOES INTO EFFECT.
BUT, UH, I, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LOGICAL WAY TO GO.
WE VOTE THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN OR OUT, BUT CHANGING IT TO MAKE THE EFFECTIVE DATE MARCH THE FIRST, WHICH WILL GIVE YOU THE ADDITIONAL TIME YOU WON'T WITHOUT HAVING TO BRING IT BACK AND GO THROUGH THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN, TO SUBSTITUTE MOTION, SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION WITH THE EFFECTIVE DATE CHANGE TO MARCH THE FIRST SURE OF THE DISCUSSION OF THAT.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING ON.
IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT ALL REVENUES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA AFFECT US.
THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT ROBERT WILL HAVE TO.
WELL, MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT, UH, UH, I'M ASKING FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND I JUST THINK THAT, UH, IT'S NOT GOING HURT TO GET THIS INFORMATION AND PUT THIS MATTER BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR THE LAST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN ADOPT THE SAME THING.
I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO ADOPT IT WITHOUT GETTING THE INFORMATION.
IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU DON'T CARE.
YOU DON'T CARE WHAT THE RESULT CARE WORKSHOP IS NOT WELL, I'LL GET WELL, WE'LL STEAL.
I BOUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE BILL, THE BILL SHOWS A BILL SHOWS ZERO DEMAND AND YET,
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WELL FINE.I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT THIS THING.
AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU INFORMATION AND WE'LL SEE BLAIR BROWN.
I JUST THINK, I JUST THINK THE BEST IS BEST TO PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY THIS MATTER COMING UP ONE MORE TIME, RATHER THAN ADOPTING IT AND LET IT GO AND PUT THE BURDEN ON ME TO, UH, TAKE IT BACK OFF.
IT, IT JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE IT'S THIS.
AND WHILE WE'RE ON THAT, HOW DOES THIS NEW RATE SCHEDULE COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES? WELL, WE HAVEN'T EXACTLY EXAMINED THAT BECAUSE THE, THE PERTINENT POINT HERE IS HOW IT COMPARES TO YOUR COSTS.
IT'S IRRELEVANT HOW IT COMPARES TO OTHER CITIES.
NOW IN THESE ARE ALL RELEVANT.
PARDON ME? I SAID, I THINK IT'S REAL RELEVANT.
AND THE LAST THE POWER AGENCY IS CHARGING US DIFFERENT CHARGES.
AND IT IS THE OTHER, EVEN THOUGH THE CHARGES, THE CHARGES ARE THE SAME, BUT AS MR. FREEZE POINTED OUT A MOMENT AGO, A DIFFERENT CITY MAY HAVE DIFFERENT COSTS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A, A DIFFERENT RATIO BETWEEN ENERGY AND DEMAND.
THE CHARGES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.
IF YOU'RE RUNNING, UH, EVERY CITY IS PAYING 1907 PER KW WITH DEMAND AND ABOUT THREE AND A HALF CENTS PER KWH OF ENERGY.
HOWEVER, THE CITY OF NEWBURN MAY HAVE A RATIO OF 75% LOAD FACTOR, WHICH IS WHAT WE CONSIDER AVERAGE USAGE TO PEAK OR ENERGY TO DEMAND IF YOU WILL.
BUT THE NEXT CITY OVER MAY HAVE AN 80% LOAD FACTOR, WHICH IS MORE EFFICIENT.
AND THERE THEY ARE, THEREFORE BUYING POWER AT A LOWER AVERAGE COST.
THEY'RE PAYING THE SAME RATES, BUT OVERALL THEIR COST IS LESS ON AVERAGE FOR THE SAME REASON THAT, THAT, UH, YOU HAVE JUST SAID, YOU CAN LOWER THE CITY OF NEWBORNS COSTS BY REDUCING DEMAND.
THEY HAVE REDUCED THEIR PEAK DEMAND.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THE INCENTIVES.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME NUMBERS PLUGGED IN HERE AND THERE, BUT THE INCENTIVES SHOULD BE THE SAME APPROACH.
IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE THAT HAVE SHANNIBAL LOADS SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR DEMAND TO INDUCE THEM, TO REDUCE THEIR DEMAND AND PEOPLE THAT CAN'T DO VERY MUCH ABOUT IT IN HIS CASE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IT, TELL HIM WHAT HIS DEMAND IS, UNLESS HE'S GOING TO GO CUT OUT EVERY OTHER LIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD JUST BE ENERGY CONSERVATION ANYWAY.
SO NO DIFFERENCE THERE, MY POINT IS THAT THE RIGHT THAT THE SKELETON OR A RATE STRUCTURE SHOULD LOOK SIMILAR TO OTHER PEOPLE IF THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE, I MEAN, THE THOUGHT PROCESSES SHOULD BE THE SAME, WHICH IS BASING YOUR REVENUES ON THEIR COSTS.
WELL, I MEAN, WE PAY ON DEMAND.
WHAT, IN WHAT WAYS WE PAY CALL, ARE WE CHARGED? WHICH ARE, IS ON DEMAND ENERGY, WHICH IS HOW MUCH OF HIS PLAN AM I BEHIND IN, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? AND, AND THEN ON, I GUESS, TOTAL USAGE, THEY PROBABLY IS SOME SCALE WHEREVER YOU USE SO MUCH, YOU PAY THIS AND SO MUCH MORE, YOU PAY THAT SETUP, BUT, BUT THE, THE INDUCEMENT TO SAVE AND THE, AND, AND THE CHARGES THERE FOR WHAT SHOULD BE THE SAME TYPE OF THING FOR EVERY CITY INVOLVED, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD ALSO DEPEND ON EACH OTHER CITIES OPERATING COSTS AND THE LEVEL OF LARGE, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT INTO A RETAIL ELECTRIC RATE.
EACH CITY'S NEEDS ARE GOING TO DIFFER WELL TO GET A CONCRETE NUMBER.
IT WOULD, BUT ARE YOU TELLING ME THEN THAT FOR US TO, TO, TO NOT CHARGE A DEMAND ON THE SMALL USER, BUT TO CHARGE A DEMAND ON, ON THE LARGER USER, OVER SOME BAR? WELL, I WON'T USE ARBITRARY, BUT 35 K W OR 30 OR 20 AS I'VE HEARD OR WHATEVER IS, IS, IS, UH, WOULD BE A TOTALLY FOREIGN THING.
IF I WENT NEXT TO A CITY NEXT DOOR AND TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT HE WAS DOING, I WOULD THINK HE WOULD LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE OURS.
THE RATE STRUCTURE ITSELF, MAYBE SIMILAR THE BOTTOM LINE AMOUNTS MAY NOT DEPENDING ON, AND THAT'S TRUE.
BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS A STRUCTURE LIKE A TREE OR A LOGIC TREE OR WHATEVER.
AND IT'S GOT SOME BLANKS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FILL IN.
THERE ARE SO MANY WHATEVERS, BUT INDUCEMENT TO SAVE AND SO FORTH, IT SHOULD BE THE SAME TYPE OF THING IF OURS AS WELL THOUGHT OUT.
AND IF THERE'S AS WELL THOUGHT OUT, THEY SHOULD LOOK SIMILAR.
GETTING POWER FROM IT FROM THE SAME PLACE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SCALE, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE A SIMILAR APPROACH AND ALL I'M DOING, I DON'T WANT THE NUMBERS TO BE THE SAME.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO A SMALL BUSINESS GUY AND SEE NO DEMAND CHARGE.
I SHOULD SAY THAT HE'S INCREMENTALLY PAYING MORE AS, AS A, AS AN OVERALL PIECE OR, OR, OR PORTION OF THE OVERALL BILL.
IN OTHER WORDS, I SHOULD SEE ASSEMBLED A STRUCTURE.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY IF YOU HAD ONE ARM
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AND A HUNDRED SMALL ALTERNATIVE THAT'S ON ONE TIME, OR IF YOU'VE GOT 10 MILLION OR 50,000,050 SMALL AGO.BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF IT IS FOLLOWING A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE THE NIGHT, AND THEN SURE THEY WOULD, WHAT WOULD YOU BE CHARGING THOSE GUYS? A DEMAND CHARGE, NANCY'S NAME.
WHY WOULD YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN CHARGE THOSE SMALL USERS, A DEMAND CHARGE, AND YOU WOULDN'T BE CHARGING THESE GUNS EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
THEY TALK TO ME IF I GET IN WHERE IN YOUR HOUSE.
I MEAN, IF MY, WELL, THEY DON'T TALK TO ME, MAN.
IT'S ROLL INTO YOUR RIGHT APP.
HEY, ARE THE PLANS? WELL, YOU'VE DONE.
ALL THEY'VE DONE THOUGH, IS ROLL IT OUT.
HIS ASS IS MULTIPLIED THE WHOLE THING OUT, DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AS MUCH DONE AND SAY THAT MANY WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
AND, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT I DON'T THINK EITHER YOU UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M NOT MAKING IT VERY CLEAR.
LET'S JUST SAVE THIS STUFF, MR. MAYOR.
THE ANSWER WOULD ALSO DEPEND ON WHETHER THE CITY NEXT DOOR IS BILLING THEIR CUSTOMERS APPROPRIATELY.
THERE MAY BE A CITY WHO HAS CRAZY RATE SCHEDULE.
THEIR ELECTRICITY'S WORKS FOR EVERY MEMBER, CITY OF THE POWER AGENCY, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM ASK US TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THEIR RATE SCHEDULE.
SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE RATE SCHEDULES THAT ARE FLAT OUT DONE INCORRECTLY.
AND WHAT WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE IS EVERY CITY BILLING, THE APPROPRIATE WAY.
BUT WHAT I WAS DOING BY ASKING THAT QUESTION IS NOT TO SAY, IF OURS LOOKED LIKE THEIRS, THEN WE'RE BOTH.
I COULD IN FACT BE SAYING IT WE'RE BOTH WRONG, BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS SORT OF WHAT WE CALL A SANITY CHECK, YOU KNOW, SHORT EAST QUESTION.
AND WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE THIS? YEAH.
WHY DOES A GIRAFFE HAVE A LONG NECK? AND YOU KNOW WHAT I NEED, I NEED AS AN ALDERMAN, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES.
I NEED TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE THIS RATE INCREASE JUST AS WELL AS YOU, JUST AS WELL AS THE MIRROR CAN EXPRESS IT.
BUT I CAN DON CAN'T MAX FREEZE WHO WANTS TO RUBBER STAMP AND MAKE IT EFFECTIVE FOR, HE CAN ARTICULATE THIS, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND LOAD AND SHEDDING LOADS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE HE NOT IN THE ELECTRICAL DEPARTMENT.
I'M NOT EITHER, BUT I WANT IT WHEN I, IF I VOTE FOR THIS, I MAY VOTE FOR IT, BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO THOROUGHLY EXPLAIN IT.
AND THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW WE SHOULD GO FOR A MONTH TO DO IT.
IF WE GO AHEAD, COMPARED TO THE CITIES ARE SMALLER, RIGHT? 21ST, 46 CITIES FROM THE TOP, FROM THE TOP.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WERE ONLY SEVEN PEOPLE CHEAPER THAN US THEN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT.
AND THAT'S ON SMALLER SERVICES, A SMALL GENERAL.
AND
AND THEN AFTERWARDS, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST EXTRAPOLATE, OR GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE NOT 21, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK.
WHAT'S THAT WILL THE CONSUMER DROPPED THE NOT NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT CHANGED RESIDENTIAL RATES AT ALL.
WE DO PLAN TO LOOK AT THOSE NEXT SUMMER, BUT IF WE CHANGE STEAL, IT LOOKS TO ME, SMALL BUSINESSES, LOW DEMAND, GOING UP BIG BUSINESSES, BIG DEMAND, GOING DOWN.
IF YOU DO THE RIGHT THING, YOU NEED SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE FOR A SMALL BUSINESS, WITH LOW DEMAND TO KEEP HIS RATE DOWN.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MATTER OR TABLE UNTIL THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY, RATHER THAN TO JUST GO AHEAD AND PASS IT AND PUT THE BURDEN ON ME TO CHANGE IT FROM BEING PASSED ON THAT.
THAT'S NOT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
IN FACT, THAT'S, THAT IS A, UH, UH, COLD WAY OF DOING IT.
IT'S GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING OR NO, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION.
I THINK ON ALDERMAN REINER, IF YOU ALSO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IF THOSE BUSINESSES WITH HIGH DEMAND ARE IN UNDER THIS TYPE OF A RATE SCHEDULE, IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE A LOT BY REDUCING THAT DEMAND, THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT SAVE BY REDUCING THAT DEMAND WHEN THEY REDUCE
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THAT DEMAND THE CITY AS A WHOLESALER.AND THAT ALLOWS US TO DEFER COST INCREASES NOT ONLY TO THOSE CUSTOMERS, BUT TO THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS AND TO YOUR PARTICULAR CLASS OF CUSTOMERS.
SO IN REALITY, BY HAVING A FAIR RATE SCHEDULE AND BY GIVING THESE CUSTOMERS AND INCENTIVE TO CUT BACK ON THEIR COSTS AND ALSO TO SAVE THE CITY AS A WHOLE, A LOT OF MONEY, THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO HELP TO DEFER A RATE INCREASES THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PASSED ON TO YOU AS A SMALL GENERAL SERVICE CUSTOMERS.
SO THERE IS A, THERE IS AN UPSIDE FOR THE SMALL GENERAL SERVICE CUSTOMERS ALSO, AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS ON GETTING RATE SCHEDULES THAT ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REDUCE THEIR DEMAND AND REDUCE THE OVERALL COST OF POWER THAT THE CITY AND CURVES.
I HAD SOMEBODY JUST THE OTHER DAY TELL ME THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE LOAD MANAGEMENT SWITCHES ON BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY GOING TO SAVE THEM LIKE EIGHT BUCKS A MONTH.
I SAID, BUT THE THING IS, THAT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY DOES IT, THEN RAUL HAS A WAY OF CONTROLLING DEMAND AND WE CAN LOWER OVERALL RATE AT EIGHT BUCKS IS NOTHING BUT WE'VE WE'VE TO DO ABOUT A JOB EXPLAINING THAT TO THE PUBLIC TOO.
SO HIM TO US, WELL, I HOPE I WILL.
I'M GOING, I'M GOING TO STUDY IT BECAUSE THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS IS SERIOUS TO ME SIMPLY BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO BIG BUSINESSES AT MORE OF AN ADVANTAGE OVER ME.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
I DON'T WANT HOW BIG BITTERS TO HAVE ADVANTAGE OVER ME OR ANYBODY ELSE IN MY CATEGORY.
ARE YOU BACK ON THIS THING, MAN? I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS A WHOLE ONE, A HEART.
I CAN'T GIVE A CALL FOR THE QUESTION ON THE MOTION.
YEAH, WE'VE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED IT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO DISCUSS IT SOME MORE? YOU WANT TO VOTE? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE, I HAVE MADE A MOTION WHICH GOES ALONG WITH SOMETHING THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME AND THAT'S AN INCREASE TO ANY ONE, EXCEPT THAT I REPEAT IT IS DONE IN ORDER TO EQUALIZE RATES RATHER THAN SUBSIDIZING SOME PEOPLE AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS FAIR.
IT WILL OVERALL COST SAVE EVERYONE SOME MONEY.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING IN THIS END OF THE BOARD AS RUBBER STAMPING, ANYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD TWO WORK SESSIONS, PLUS THIS COPY ON OUR HAND SINCE THURSDAY, UH, THAT'S TIME ENOUGH FOR ME TO LEARN WHAT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE, EQUITABLE AT DISTRIBUTING THE COST OF THE ELECTRICITY, WHERE IT BELONGS.
AND MY MOTION INCLUDES PLENTY OF TIME.
THE TIME REQUESTED FOR ALDERMAN REINER TO ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION HE WISHES.
AND, UH, HE CAN SHOW ME THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HERE.
I WILL BE GLAD TO MAKE THE MOTION TO RESCIND IT FOR HIM, BUT TO BE TOLD THAT IT'S RUBBER STAMPING.
THIS IS THE MOTION TO ADOPT THIS NEW RATE SCHEDULE EFFECTIVE EFFECT.
WHAT THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF MARCH 1ST? NO, NO, NO, YES, NO.
MAYBE I'LL MOVE THIS MATTER TO BE TABLE UNTIL THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY FOR ADOPTION.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE MOST ORIGINAL MOTION WAS THAT OPERA BE PROVIDED WITH THE INFORMATION FROM THE, UH, UH, COMPARISON SETUP FROM THE MEMBERS, CITIES, ME AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND CP AND ELS ARE RATE ON FOR SMALL GENERAL BUSINESSES.
AND I'M GOING TO MEET WITH THE MAYOR.
I PROMISE YOU, I'M GOING TO MEET WITH YOU.
THAT'S THE REASON I VOTED THE WAY I VOTED BEFORE MR. BUCKLEY, ANYBODY SHOULD VOTE FOR ANYTHING FOR OR AGAINST IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
I APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I'D BE REMISS IN ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE ON THE SIDEWALK.
IT AIN'T GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING.
SO ANYWAY, NOW YOU'VE MADE A MOTION TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT? CALL THE ROLL AGAIN? YES, YES.
AND THE CONTINUING EFFORT TO GIVE
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MR. RAINER, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.BY NO POINT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
SO ANYTHING YOU GOT ANY MACS? I GOT ONE.
WELL, I ONLY MET, LET ME DO MINE FIRST.
I'VE BEEN HIGH BALL IN THIS THUMB.
I WANT TO EXPLAIN THIS THING ON TV, ON THE MIC.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SHARP KNIVES AND DOLE KNIVES.
AND THEY SAID THAT A SHARP KNIFE WAS A LOT SAFER THAN I KNOW MINE, WHICH DID MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
HE SAID, YOU GET HURT WITH THOUGH.
SO I WENT AND BOUGHT A SHARPENER AND SHARPENED ALL MY KITCHEN KNIVES.
IT WAS SHARP AND ONLY GOTTEN TO THE END OF IT AND JUST BEGIN.
SO ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT THEORY.
WILL YOU SHOW UP AND PUT A BUDGET THIS YEAR? I WAS DICING ONIONS.
YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THOSE GUYS REAL QUICK LIKE THAT? WELL, I GOT NEWS FOR YOU.
I DON'T HAVE THE ONE THUMB PRINT NOW.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY I COULDN'T BE HERE LAST WEEK AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PRAISE GIVEN OUT OVER THE STOLEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, THERE WAS ONE GROUP OF OUR CITIZENS THAT WERE MISSED.
AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE, THEY WERE OUT IN THE STREETS AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, STAYED OUT OF THAT TILL NOON.
AND THAT'S OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY MENTIONED THE FIGHT.
IT WAS OUT ALL NIGHT LONG AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH TOUGHER SITUATION THAT MIGHT WITHOUT, DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS UNDERSTAND.
IF YOU SEE A VOLUNTEER, TELL HIM.
I'D APPRECIATE BECAUSE THEY DESERVE.
MR. MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND WE HAVE THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER SET FOR THE 31ST OF JANUARY, UH, ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN STATED THAT YOU WANTED ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, THE, UH, HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
I BELIEVE ALDERMAN RAINER HAD INDICATED HE WANTED TO SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
AND, UH, I'M TRYING TO GET WITH MR. BLIZZARD TO KIND OF WORK OUT THE AGENDA ON THIS THING.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS OF WHERE ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THE CIVIC CENTER CIVIC CENTER? OKAY.
OF COURSE THERE'LL BE OTHER THINGS NOT ONLY AGENDA IS AS THE CONVERSATION FLOWS.
CORRECT? IN FACT, WE HAVE, UH, ONE OF THE NEW COMMISSIONS, DON PHILLIPS BY, HEY, I BELIEVE IT.
I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR, BUT I THINK IT'S NOT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, JUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS AFRAID? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS? NO.
I WOULDN'T MISS IT FOR THE WORDS.
IN FACT, UH, ALPHABET, PROBABLY A PRETTY INTERESTING YET TOGETHER WITH US.
YEAH, I ACTUALLY, WE TABLED IT.
WE TABLED IT, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT AS WELL COME OUT HERE AND TOSS THEM OUT.
IT MAY ADD TO, UH, OKAY, WELL, YOU CAN GO AHEAD IF YOU WANT.
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LET ME, LET ME POINT SOMETHING OUT ON HER BILL.DOESN'T IT SHOW YOU THAT SHOW HER THE CHARGE PER KILOWATT HOURS.
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS GET YOUR OLD BAIL AND YOU KNEW BILL AND GO BACK AND LOOK DOWN AT WHERE IT SAYS THE CHARGE PER KILOWATT HOUR.
AND THEN YOU WILL KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER THE CITY HAS GONE UP ON YOUR RIGHTS OR WHETHER YOU JUST USE MORE POWER WELL, AT THERMOSTAT, I MEAN, YOU CAN LEAVE YOUR THERMOSTAT ON 68 AND IF IT'S 25 DEGREES OUTSIDE FOR 30 DAYS IN A ROW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL USE MORE POWER THAN IF IT WAS 60 DEGREES OUTSIDE FOR 30 DAYS IN A ROW TO SAY.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO MAINTAIN IT DEPENDS ON HOW HARD I HAD TO WORK.
AND IT HAD TO GO FROM 25 DEGREES UP TO 68, WE'LL SAY FROM 60TH TO 68.
ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT WE KEEP OUR EYES ON TO IS 68.
BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A POWER INCREASE.
DO RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS IN THE CITY IN TWO YEARS.
YEAH, THAT'S THE DAY HE BROUGHT ROBERT TO A CRIB.
SAY AYE, WE'RE THE NEXT TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT?