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IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AND CALLED A MEETING TO ORDER.
AND WE'LL OPEN WITH A PRAYER BY ELDER DARYL, THOMAS OF THE UNIVERSAL FAITH CHURCH, GREETINGS AND THE PRECIOUS MONEY AND MESS THIS NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
A MEMBER OF MCCOY AND UNIVERSAL FAITH CHURCH REPRESENTING HOW THE DELL THOMAS, ONCE YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE WORLD, FATHER GOD, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, LORD, WE STAND BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW.
LORD, WE STAMP IT FOR YOU, THANKING YOU FOR ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO US.
LORD, WE SPEND BEFORE YOUR BAD ASKING, LORD, WE STAND BEFORE YOU AGAIN, THIS FAKING YOU.
OH GOD, I BOUGHT UP THE TOP IS WHITE NOW.
AND THE NAME OF JESUS, I BIND THE SPIRIT OF THAT'S PERIOD EIGHT IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS.
LORD, WE ASK YOU TO STOP BY THIS COURTROOM TONIGHT.
LORD, WE ASK YOU TO GIVE THE DECISION-MAKERS NOT WITH AN UNDERSTANDING
NOW I SPEAK PEACE OF THE EAST, THE NORTH, THE SOUTH AND THE WEST, AND THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS.
LORD, WE ASK YOU TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE AGENDAS THERE ALONE.
LORD, WE ASK YOU TO BE THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE AND DECISION-MAKER OH GOD, WE ASK YOU THIS.
WE ARE TAKING YOU FOR AN ADVANCE OF GOD FOR WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE IN JESUS NAME, THE PRAYER ONE NATION UNDER GOD.
FIRST THING WE HAVE, IS IT REQUESTING PETITIONS OF CITIZENS AND, UH, SEE WHAT HAVE FREIDA A GROUP.
SO, UH, IS THERE ANY GROUP WAS HERE TOGETHER ON A PARTICULAR ISSUE THAT HAS A SPOKESMAN OR ANYTHING? IS EVERYBODY HERE FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR? OKAY.
I AM THE STRATEGIC PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR CREDIT ON TRADE OF THE 2006 STRATEGIC PLANNING.
UH, I'LL MAKE THIS BRIEF, UH, I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE SUPPORT THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN FERRY COUNTY IN THE PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.
AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR COMMUNITY BALLOT.
AND NEXT WEDNESDAY, WE ARE GOING TO ADD A PRESENTATION OF THAT, UH, TO, UH, JUST ONE OF THE REPORT ON THE ISSUES OF THE GIG GAG AND ON THAT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO UPDATE YOU PERIODICALLY.
AND A LADY STOOD, I THINK ON THE SECOND ROAD AND DISTINGUISHED TOWN.
AND I'M A RESIDENT OF THE AREA WE ALL PRESENTING THIS PETITION.
SO GENTLEMEN, EMILY, TO SEE YOUR ASSISTANCE.
LET US CONCENTRATED IN SP K STREET AND LOVE THE HILLS GROUP.
AND WE HAVE ALWAYS HERE TO SHOW THEM IF YOU DON'T WANT TO THE BACK UP, BECAUSE THE PHOTOS SPEAK WORDS THAT DON'T HAVE A COUSIN.
AND, UM, WE ARE PLAYING THAT INADEQUATE
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DRAINAGE.AND IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE AREA ITSELF IS A LOW LINE AREA AND DRAINS DOWN FROM THE CITY TO THIS LOW LIGHT AREA.
NOW THE LAST THREE SPILLS REALLY GREAT TO HAVE A LIVES.
THE PICTURES THAT I SHOWED YOU A LOT, I HAD BEEN THERE BY THE TIME WE COULD GET SOMEONE IN THERE TO TAKE PICTURES.
I, MYSELF, I COULDN'T LIVE IN MY HOUSE AT ALL BECAUSE OF THE WATER WE HAD SNAKES, LIZARDS, FROGS, AND ON IDENTIFY, LOVES OKAY.
THE LOCAL AND NEVERMIND THE BAGGAGE.
STILL THOUGH, THE HOMES, THE LADY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, SHE HAD TO STAY AWAY.
I MEAN, SHE STAYED THERE A LONG TIME BECAUSE SHE JUST COULD NOT GET TO HER STEPS.
THIS YOUNG LADY THAT WE HAVE SITTING HERE WITH THE CRUTCHES, SHE HAD TO GO OUT.
SHE HAS A HOUSE WITH LITTLE CHILDREN, TINY CHILDREN.
SO SHE COULDN'T GO OUT THE DOOR.
SHE TRIED TO GO OUT THE WINDOW AND SHE FELL AND SHE BROKE HER LEG.
NOW INCLUDE THAT MUCH MORE DISASTROUS, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ALLEVIATE THIS PROBLEM.
IT, ANYTIME WE HAVE A HARD RAIN, WE BUILD A BROAD OF IT IN THAT AREA.
AND THE AREA IS MOSTLY POPULATED BY PEOPLE ON FIXED INCOMES, LOW INCOMES, NO INCOME.
AND SO WE ARE HERE TODAY ASKING HIM, AND NOT ONLY THE REPAIR OF THE DRAGGED IN THE AREA, MAYBE A LITTLE DIRT, POSSIBLY LIFT SOMETHING UP SO THAT THE WATER WOULDN'T STAND.
SO BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO LOW AND THE PEOPLE CAME UP TO THE, OF DIRT TO BUILD UP.
IT JUST, IT CAN BARELY STAY UP ON.
SO WE ARE HERE ASKING YOU ALL.
THESE ARE PICTURES THAT WE HAVE.
THESE PICTURES ARE TAKEN UP ABOUT A WEEK AFTER IS THAT THOUGH, WAS THAT A PETITION THAT SEE? CAN WE SEE IT PLEASE?
UH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BEEN, UM, MAYBE I LAST MEETING OR SECOND MEETING.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG AGO IT'S BEEN, BUT IN ONE HOUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS, I SHOULD SAY WE, UH, DISCUSS THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM, NOT JUST DUFFIELD, BUT WE DISCUSS THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
AND IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM THAT I KNOW HAS GONE ON FOR AT LEAST 43 YEARS.
FOR 43 IS PROBABLY LONG ENOUGH, BUT I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR 43 YEARS.
AND THEN THAT MEETING, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO ELSE WAS THERE.
I THINK IT WAS IN THIS MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE AND FOOT.
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WE'RE TRYING NOW TO, UH, COME UP WITH SOME WAY WHERE WE CAN GET A STUDY DONE TO FIND OUT.UM, I THINK IT'S THE CORE ENGINEERS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AND THEIR, THEIR PROJECT OR WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO SET OUT TO DO IS TO TELL US WHERE ALL OUR DRAIN LINES ARE, UH, SIZES OF THE DRAIN LINES.
AND THEN ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEN THEY'RE HOPEFULLY GOING TO HELP US TO DESIGN AND NEW DRAIN SYSTEM.
UH, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO PATCH A PROBLEM HERE AND THERE, BUT TO TACKLE THE ENTIRE PROGRAM, TO TACKLE THE PROBLEM CORRECTLY, WE WILL HAVE TO DO IT AS A PROJECT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
UH, INFORMATION WAS SHARED ME A LONG TIME AGO.
SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE CAN PROBABLY SUPPORT ME ON THIS IS THAT WHEN THE CITY OF NEWBERRY BEGAN TO EXPAND THEIR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, THAT WAS BEING PUT IN TO HELL THE CITY, WAS IT A DIFFERENT CODE AND WHAT IT WAS, AND, UH, 1900 WHERE WE HAD HISTORICAL AREA AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE SOME DRAIN LINES THAT ARE PROBABLY LARGER AND AS THEY GO GET CLOSER TO THE DRAINAGE, EVERYBODY ACTUALLY DRAINED OFF INTO THE RIVER.
WHEREVER THOSE LANDS ARE SMALL.
SO THE DRAINAGE IS NOT MOVING OUT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS. THE OTHER PROBLEM IS, UH, WHERE THERE IS NO DRAIN LINES.
THEN HOW DO YOU GO IN AND TACKLE IT TO RUN INTO ANOTHER AREA THAT ON A SO-CALLED GOOD RAINY DAY, IT FLOODS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM WHERE WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY, IT'S GOING TO BE FIXED TOMORROW, BUT IT IS A PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW EXISTS.
AND IT IS A PROBLEM THAT WE HOPEFULLY ARE GOING TO ATTACK AND, AND HELL IT.
BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A, IT'S A MAJOR JOB BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE IN THE WHOLE CITY.
THERE MAY BE SOME AREAS THAT WORK MAY HAVE TO BE DONE, BUT WE DO NOTICE IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME EXTENSIVE WORK.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE PROBLEM IS WE'VE GOT DRYNESS LINES THAT ADJUST SOME, I THINK DANNY CAN PROBABLY THAT'S MR. MEADOWS, HE'S OLD PUBLIC.
YOU PROBABLY TO TELL YOU THERE'S SOME LINES, WE PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN THIS CASE HERE.
THERE IS SOME WATER STANDING WHEN IT RAINS, BUT, UH, AND, AND WE VOICED THIS WITH OTHERS THAT CAME DOWN TO JIM, CAME HERE ONCE BEFORE WITH US.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR HAS BEEN AN EXCEPTIONAL YEAR FOR STORMS FOR THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.
AND HOPEFULLY WE WON'T SEE THIS AGAIN ANYTIME SOON, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, UH, EVEN SOME GOOD DRAINAGE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN CARE OF WITH AS MUCH RAIN AND WATER WE HAD THIS YEAR, UH, AT ONE PROBLEM IS, UH, WE'VE HAD MORE RAIN IN THE GROUND IS A LITTLE MORE SATURATED THAN IT'S EVER BEEN, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S NO EXCUSE, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLANS WHERE WE ARE NOW BEGINNING TO SERIOUSLY BEGIN TO ATTACK THE PROBLEM OF DRAINAGE.
LET ME ALSO SAY IS AS THE MAYOR, THAT THAT IS DRAINAGE IS ONE OF MY PRIORITIES TO FIX.
I REALIZE IT IS A NATIVE OF HERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM.
IT'S JUST GETTING WORSE AS THE YEARS GO ON.
AND, UH, THERE ARE STEPS ON THE WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THESE THINGS A LOT ABOUT STUDIES ARE BEING DONE.
INSTEAD IN A LOT OF TIMES, THAT'S AN EXCUSE FOR DOING NOTHING.
I PROMISE YOU THAT IT IS TO GET A COURSE OF ACTION SO THAT WE CAN FIX THE PROBLEM.
WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO FIX THE PROBLEM IN THE SENSE THAT WE CAN DECREE IT DONE.
BUT SOMEHOW, UH, I GUESS WHEN MOSES AND SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS LEFT THE EARTH, SOMEBODY THAT POWER, IT TAKES SOME MONEY ALONG WITH IT.
AND, AND, UH, WE'VE GOT TO SPEND THE MONEY IN A, IN A MANNER SO THAT WE CAN FIX THE PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS SUCH A LARGE MAGNITUDE THAT, UH, TO TRY TO DO IT WITHOUT A PLAN IS NOT GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM, BUT WE'LL SMELL THAT SPEND ON THE MONEY.
AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU SITTING UP HERE IS THAT AS LONG AS I'M THE MAYOR, THAT DUDE FIXING THE DRAINAGE WILL BE A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
AND NUMBER TWO, I PROMISE YOU THAT THE PEOPLE OF DAFFY FEEL WELL, NOT ONLY TO NOT BE FORGOTTEN, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE PUT BEHIND ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE I TAKE THE AREA MYSELF, BECAUSE AS A PERSONAL, UH, RESPONSIBILITY, ALONG WITH THE HOW OLD, A PERSON AND SO FORTH, IT HAS THAT AREA AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET IT BE LEFT OUT OR MAYBE FORGOTTEN OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I NOTICED A PROBLEM THERE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE FIXED RIGHT ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
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FRONT OF ALL OF YOU TELLING YOU THAT I LIVE HERE, WE DON'T DO THE BEST WE CAN BELIEVE.IN THE MEANTIME, SIR, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE COULD CLEAN THE DRAINAGE THAT NO, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'LL DO SINCE ALL OF Y'ALL CAME OUT.
I HAD A NIGHT ON THIS COLD NIGHT.
I WILL ASK MR. MADISON, IF HE WILL PLEASE GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO, IF IT IS A CASE OF SOMETHING STOPPED UP OR WHATEVER, TO GIVE HIM SOME, SOME RELIEF IN THE MEANTIME, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANY MORE SO THAN ANYBODY ELSE, UNLESS WE GO TAKE A LOOK AND WE NEED TO GO LOOK.
AND IF YOU WOULD COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS A WORK SESSION YES, SIR.
AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU FOUND, PLEASE.
AND THEREFORE, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FOUND IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO THEN SAY, SO IF THERE IS SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO, THEN TELL US, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WHEN WE'RE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM.
AND WHEN, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO LET IT LIE.
I'M SURE YOU TO STAY TUNED TO ALL OF YOU.
WHAT ABOUT THAT? A GROUP THAT IS FAR FROM ANOTHER'S TANK.
TALK TO ME BEFORE THEY CIRCULATED THEIR PETITION AND ASKED WHAT I FELT ABOUT IT.
AND I ASKED THEM TO CIRCULATE THEIR PETITION.
I TOLD HER THAT THE BORDER WALL AND AFRICA WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY FELT ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY WERE HAVE, AND THAT WE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE OVER THE SUGGESTIONS.
AND THIS IS WHEN THIS POPPER I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO HER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I EXPLAINED TO THEM TO JUST DISPLAY ABOUT
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH TIME WITH THE SIZE OF THE DRAINAGE PIPES IN THE AREA AND MR. BATTLES.
I CALLED HIM TODAY TO ASK HIM TO BE ABLE TO TELL US WHERE WE REPLACED THOSE DRAIN PIPES, JUST TO A CERTAIN HERITAGE.
AND THAT'S BEEN TAUGHT AS MS. PARKER, THE GROUP IN THAT TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE DONE.
TONY, IT'S A COLLECTIVE THING, COMMUNITY AND REPORT ON.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO IS THAT THE CITY HAS A WATER EVOLVEMENT TO TAKE CARE OF A TEMPORARY ISSUE.
AND WE'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT.
MS. PARKER MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT DIRT.
AND AS I WAS SAYING TO MS. PARKER, I SAY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN GET MR. MADIS TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO, THAT DIRT THAT THEY HAUL AWAY AROUND THE BRIDGE.
AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME NAPLES IN PARTICULAR WHO VERY
AND I KNOW SHE CAN'T AFFORD TO FEEL A LOT AND OF COURSE, COME BACK TO STOP IT, BUT JUST ORDINARILY YOU WOULD GET OUT TO THEM.
YOU KNOW? SO SOME OF THAT WATER THAT STANDS THERE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE A COOPERATIVE KIND OF THING, A PROJECT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO SEE IF IT HELPS, IF THERE'S DIRT THAT PEOPLE HAVE, THAT IT WOULD GIVE US AND TAKE SOME DAYS IF WE NEED
AND WE REALIZE THAT SOME OF THE STUDENTS JUST TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS AND I CONCUR THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE STUDY THAT WE PLAN TO HAVE THE COURT COURT, WHATEVER MONEY THAT THEY CAN GIVE US SOME
AND I DON'T KNOW IF EMERGENCY KIND OF SITUATION LIKE THIS WILL QUALIFY FOR SOME FUNDS, BUT NO, WE DON'T FEEL THAT WOODROW LADY CALLED ME TODAY OVER IN WASHINGTON STREET.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT
IT'S DEFINITELY FREEDOM THAT WE, UH, CONCERNED ENOUGH THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH OTHERS ABOUT HOW IT NOT.
LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IF I CAN, UH, TRY TO DO THINGS WITHOUT A PLAN OR AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK THAT A PIECE OF PROPERTY IS LOW
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AND YOU COME AND PUT SOME DIRT IN, IF YOU DON'T PLAN, WHAT RESULT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE, ALL THAT'S GOING TO DO IS MAKE THE WATER GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.THAT MAY BE ON A NEIGHBOR'S LOT OR WHATEVER.
IN OTHER WORDS, WITH ALL OF THE BEST INTENTIONS AND REALLY THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALIZED, UH, AFTER I BECOME MAYOR AND SO FORTH, AND YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AROUND IT, EVERYTHING WAS IN REAL GOOD SHAPE.
EXCEPT WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT SOME OF THE LONG-TERM THINGS THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO DO THAT.
AND WHEN I SAY LONG-TERM, I'M TALKING PROBABLY A COUPLE OF HUNDRED YEARS, YOU KNOW THAT, UH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THE CITY HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY.
AND IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU JUST CLOSE BOTH EYES AND TRY TO PLUG UP THE HOLES, YOU CAN NOT ONLY SPEND THE MONEY AND NOT FIX THE PROBLEM, BUT BECAUSE FIVE MORE PROBLEMS, BECAUSE THIS DRAINAGE STUFF IS NOT A VERY EASY THING TO FIX.
YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW WHERE ALL THE PIPES ARE GOING, WHAT SIZE THEY ARE, WHERE THE WATER'S COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, HEY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IT? YOU JUST CAN'T TAKE STORM WATER AND THROW IT IN THE RIVER.
YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT NEW STATE REGULATIONS THAT ARE COMING AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
BUT THE IDEA IS, IF WE KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM AND WE ARE GOING TO FIX IT AND FIX IT IN THE RIGHT MANNER, THE LEGAL MANNER, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND MANNER AND, UH, SO FORTH.
SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING OUT HERE.
ALL OF US DO, BECAUSE YOU, YOU DID IT IN A MANNER THAT WE APPRECIATE THE CITIZENS COME IN AND DO IT.
A LOT OF TIMES, THEY COME OUT HERE WITH TAR AND FEATHERS.
YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT AND LETTING US KNOW YOU GOT THE PROBLEM.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT YOU, CAN'T JUST DUMP THE STORM WATER INTO THE RIVER.
THIS IS A BOOKLET I JUST RECEIVED TONIGHT, WHICH, UH, STATES THE NEW FEDERAL POLICY SAYING WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO.
AND YOU, CAN'T JUST NOT MUCH LONGER.
ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO JUST DUMP INTO THE RIVER? BUT, UH, THAT'S NOT WHY I ASKED YOU TO SPEAK, MIKE, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT IS THE SITUATION WITH THE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS? THE CBDG GRANT, THOSE FUNDS ARE TYPICALLY OUR LOCAL FUNDS THAT COULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY.
AND THAT'S TYPICALLY 15 TO 20% ON THE GRANT APPLICATION.
SO LOCAL OPTION MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY, UH, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, HOW THE POINTS GO AND, AND HOW, UM, THE FOLKS IN RALEIGH
AND THEY DON'T GET AS MANY POINTS AS SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
BUT IF YOU WISH WE CAN EXPLORE THAT OUR CONSULTANT IN THE WRITING OF FUTURE APPLICATIONS TO TRY TO, UH, EMPHASIZE THAT COMPONENT.
WE HAVE READY TO WORK IN THE PAST RECEDED BJ.
AND WE CAN CERTAINLY EMPHASIZE THE PROJECT WHERE THE WEAKNESS CBDG FUNDS THAT ARE LOCAL STREET WEAR.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YEARS AGO, WHEN I CAME HERE, THE PLACE WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS, WAS FEEDING AND IT'S SOAKED UP A LOT WATER.
NOW IT'S 20 ACRES OF PAVEMENT, WHICH THROWS ALL THE WATER RIGHT OFF THE BACK OF THAT LOCKED DOWN OLD STREET.
AND YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE PROBLEM IS? WE HAVE A LOCAL STREET, ANY KIND OF BRAND.
THEY WOULD HAVE A COUPLE OF FEET OF WATER IN THE STREET, AND IT WAS NOT JUST HURRICANE HIT.
AND WE DID MANAGED TO DO SOME WORK DOWN THERE, WHICH HELPED A LOT USING SOME OF THOSE.
AND THOSE WERE THE LOCAL OPTIONS.
SO I, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY.
YOU'RE ONLY TALKING 15% OF THE TOTAL.
THE TOTAL WAS WHAT, 800,000 BALLPARK FIGURE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
DOESN'T GO, THEY DON'T DO THAT DIRECTLY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A, REALLY A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S ANY MONEY IS BETTER THAN NOTHING.
ONCE AGAIN, AS YOU GET A MASTER PLAN APPROACH, THEN YOU CAN USE WHATEVER AVAILABLE RESOURCES YOU HAVE TO ATTACK PIECE OF THE TIME TO FEEL DOWN THE ROAD.
WELL, I KNOW YOU WON'T GET ANY MONEY FROM FEMA FOR THOSE TOTALLY DIFFERENT CALLS, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER IF IT WASN'T POSSIBLE TO GET SOMEONE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM.
SO COULD YOU IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BUILD A HOUSE WITHOUT A HOUSE PLAN AND EVERYBODY'S ON IT AND THAT'S ABOUT THE SITUATION? SO THE PLAN IN OUR CASE IS DEFINITELY NOT SOME SMOKE SCREEN OR SOME WAY OF SAYING, OH, THIS, THAT, AND THAT IT'S A REAL LIFE THING.
IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN JUST AS SOON AS WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
AND, UH, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT AS A WORKING PLAN AND MOVE WITH IT.
SO WE'RE COMING, THAT'S, YOU'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE PAGEANT LOOK RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
AND I'M GOING TO ASK HIM, PLEASE GET IN THE NEXT NEXT MEETING,
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WHICH IS NEXT MONDAY NIGHT FOR US, IT GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON.WE SAID, HE'S THERE TO FIX, UH
I MENTIONED THAT, UH,
WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, RAISING OF THOUSANDS, UH, RAISING LOTS, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS CAN BE USED OR BE SUBMITTED IS COMPETITIVE, IS 75% FEDERAL MONEY
SO THERE'S ALL SORTS OF OPTIONS TO WORK ON, TO DO A LITTLE BAND-AID.
THAT MIGHT
I SAID THE LADY AND SHE USED FOR IT.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS ABOUT THREE, FOUR DAYS OR FIVE DAYS AT THAT WATER.
UH, BUT AT ME NOT TAKING THE MONEY BACK IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES OR MID EIGHTIES, AND THEN IN 19
AND THEN LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, BOTTOM LINE, IT HAS BEEN.
AND THE SAD PART ABOUT THAT IS WHERE DO YOU GO BY AND THE DOLLAR TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO FACE AND DEAL WITH.
I THINK I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU WERE TALKING, I REALIZED THAT TALKING ABOUT A PLAN, THE ONE THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO UNDERTAKE IS SOMETIME CONSUMING.
AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HEAR THE REPORT TO THE MAYOR, TO THE CITY ENGINEERS OR WHOEVER'S DITCHES, MAYBE THEY COULD MAKE A SUGGESTION AS TO WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WE CAN DO IN THE INTERN.
SO IN THE INTERIM, AS WE AWAIT THE STUDY THAT WE MIGHT COORDINATE WITH, IF THE CITY IS IN USE, CAN MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS, SUGGESTIONS AS, AND WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME,
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BUTOH, THIS PLACE HAS GOT A STOPPED UP DRAIN OVER, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF, IF THE PERCEPTION IS THAT IT HAS BEEN KIND OF FORGOTTEN THEN WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER SOMEBODY HAS BEEN LOOKING IN THE FOLKS DON'T KNOW IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BETWEEN NINE MAXMIND TONIGHT THAT I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, I APPRECIATE, SO YOU'LL BE CALLING ME MONDAY NIGHT, TUESDAY NIGHT, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT HE SAYING.
MS. MACK, MS. LEE, WOULD IT BE A GOOD IDEA IF, AND WE'VE GOTTEN A REPORT, IF IT WAS A TIRE PORT THAT GET YOU A COPY THAT YOU COULD GIVE IT TO, TO THAT COMMITTEE.
I DIDN'T COME IN TO MAKE THIS PEACH BUTTER CANCER WARD.
AND WHEN IT FLOODED FLOODS, AND I THINK WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME OR THERE A PLACE TO LIVE BY MY RESTAURANT AND IT USED TO BE ALL STOPPED.
AND IT JUST A BIG HOLE AND ASK A BIG GIANT HOLE, AND THEY'RE PUTTING A FENCE DOWN.
I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY OR HOW WE COULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN, WHERE YOU'RE RIDING BEHIND A BOOT CHAPTER, CHAPTER, THE CHURCH ON POST ROAD.
THEY ALSO HAVE A BIG, GIANT HOLE BACK IN WHERE THEY DID, WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR POINT OF TIME.
THEY DID IT BEHIND THE BAR RESTAURANT.
I WAS THINKING, DID A WALL OF WATER THAT'S GOING AROUND SO DEEP, THAT HOLE IS AND PICK OUT SOME KIND OF AREA FOR WATER COMING OUT.
I COME BY THAT DAY AND IT'S FILLED UP WITH WATER FLATTENED, BIG TOWN LAKE.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A STOMP AND WE HAVE A FLOOD, THAT WATER IS NOT TOO FAR FROM THE HIGHWAY.
SO HE WOULD COME OVER THE HOUSE THERE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN, WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH MORE FOOT.
WE NORMALLY DEAL WITH YOU TALKING ABOUT MARTIN MARIETTA.
I MEAN, IT'S CREEK MARTIN MARIETTA.
MARTIN MARIETTA IS ON GLEN BURNIE.
SO NOT AFTER THE FENCE, IF THAT THING IS TO A WATER AND I KNOW IT'S 30 DEEP WATER AND I DON'T DO IT FAR FROM CENTER STREET, AND THEY GOT A BIG HOLE WHERE TO DIG IT NOW, DOWN THERE, THE STUDY THAT THEY DIG IN THAT LARGE HOLE, EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE JUST LIKE OVER HERE.
WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS GRADE THE SIDES THAT WHOLE, SO IT WON'T BE STRAIGHT IN AND BUILD HOUSES, ROUND VERY EXPENSIVE HOUSES.
SO THAT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
AS SOON AS THEY DUG ALL THE GRAVEL OUT THAT THEIR OWNERSHIP ALLOWANCE AND FIT IT BACK FOR A WHILE, RIGHT.
IT'LL BE FILLED WITH WATER WILL BE A LAKE FROM UNDERNEATH AND NOT FEELING IT, BUT IT COMES UP ANYWAY.
WE'RE ALREADY SURROUNDED BY THAT.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS, THAT I KNOW THE OPTION YOU WOULD HAVE IS TO FILL THE HOLE BACK UP AND THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, TO FILL UP A HOLE AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE A HOLE.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF BACK TO THE SAME SITUATION, IT'S PILING THE DIRT UP ON SOME, SOME PROPERTY AND NOT FIGURING OUT WHERE THE WATER IS GOING TO GO.
THAT WATER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RISING TO ITS NATURAL LEVEL.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'VE DUG UP
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MY WHOLE LAP, BIG CYLINDER ALL THE WAY DOWN, IT WOULD STILL FEEL THAT LEVEL.AND, UH, WHY I'M ASKING, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF HOLES THAT YOU'VE DUG IN THIS CITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DIG A HOLE?
I WOULD, I WOULD THINK NAM IT'S WHITE DEAD AT THE TIME THAT THEY BEGAN TO DIG THE HOLES AT MARTIN MARIETTA RAINEY'S CREEK.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER OR NOT IT'S OF COURSE THE CITY LIMITS DIDN'T GO THAT FAR.
I MEAN, THAT WAS, THAT WAS OUTSIDE THE CITY AND WAS IN, IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY UP UNTIL 87.
AND, AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND, SINCE THAT TIME, THERE, THERE IS NOTHING BEING DUG INSIDE THE CITY OF THAT SIZE.
AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT WITH THE, WITH THE PLANNING ZONE ZONING WITH PUBLIC WORKS INVOLVED, YOU PROBABLY WON'T SEE ANYTHING DUG THAT SIZE INSIDE THE CITY.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE IF THOSE GUYS HAD PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY'VE DUG THAT HOLE 50 YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE STILL DIGGING, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT HERE IN THE CITY.
AGAIN, I REMEMBER WHEN WE STARTED LIVING CIRCLE ALSO, REMEMBER WHEN THEY WAS THE FIRST HOLE WHEN THEY WERE DIGGING IN THAT FIRST HOLE NOW SMALL, AND ALSO THE SAFE DAYS I WENT BACK BEFORE WITHOUT AN INCIDENT OR SOMETHING.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY CLOSE THAT GATE AND THEN THEY STARTED DIGGING OFF.
THEY'VE BEEN MOVED DOWN A LITTLE FAR AROUND.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT IF NOT, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD, BUT THEN OBVIOUSLY THE NEED FOR PEOPLE THAT WE APPRECIATE YOU, ANYBODY ELSE HERE THERE DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH FLOODING.
GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND ALL OF YOU OUT HERE.
MY NAME IS ELDER CALVIN BROWN.
I AM A MEMBER OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS ALLIANCE AND, UM, IT'S PAPA FIRST CAME TO ME ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE AREA, WHICH I KNEW HOW BAD IT WAS MYSELF BY TRAVELING TO AND FRO, UH, AS AN ASIDE, I WALKED THE WALMARTS IN THE DAY.
SO I SAID TO HER, I WILL GET MY CAMERA AND, UH, I WILL COME OUT AND SEE WHAT I CAN DO.
SO I LOADED MY CAMERA WITH SOME FILM, THOSE PICTURES THAT YOU SAW, I WASN'T DEALING WITH.
AND, UH, I, BY ROSS, I BROUGHT ALL HER SHOES YEARLY ON SHOES.
SO AS I WALKED INTO,
I BEGAN TO SEE THE WATER AND, UH, IT LOOKS SO BEAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT THE HEAD DOCTOR, WHEN THAT, SO AS I WADE THROUGH THE WATER, THE WATER BEGAN TO SAY TO ME, KEEP COMING, BUSTER, YOU GET WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO HALFWAY IN FRONT OF THIS PAPA'S HOME, IT WAS UP TO MY KNEE.
SO THEN I SNAPPED SOME PICTURES THERE.
AND I WENT OUT INTO THE INTERSECTION OF KING AND BLOOMFIELD, AND IT WAS ALL OVER MY KNEE.
AND I KEPT WALKING AND I GOT IN FRONT OF, UH, MS. MORRIS HALL.
AND, UH, SHE WAVED AT THE, ON THE PORCH AND ASKED ME, DID I HAVE MY SWIM SUIT? AND I THOUGHT, WELL, NOT QUIET.
SO AS I STEPPED AWAY, THEN, UH, THE PICTURES ARE THE RESULTS OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN TONIGHT.
I, UH, HEARD THE WORD COS USED SEVERAL TIMES.
AND I'M WONDERING MR. MAYOR, IF COST IS SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT USE AGAINST THE COMFORT AND HEALTH
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OF YOUR CITIZENS, I WOULD THINK THAT, UH, THE TOP DRIVE TO THE, BE THE COMFORT AND HILLS OF YOUR CITIZENS.AND ONE MORE QUESTION, IF YOU PLEASE, UM, THE PLAN THAT YOU PROPOSE TONIGHT, CAN YOU GIVE AN ACTIVITY DATE WHEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO START ON THAT? I'VE HEARD 18 MONTHS.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT? DANNY, TWO YEARS, EIGHT, 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN GET STARTED.
THAT'S HOW LONG TO TIGHTEN THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, DUDE.
WELL, UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT, I SUPPOSE.
IS ANYBODY ELSE HERE? I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM.
IS ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING DIFFERENT? OTHERWISE, RAISE YOUR HAND ON THE CITIZENS.
THEN I GUESS YOU ALL SEND ME ON THE CALL AND SAYS FREE THE DRAINAGE.
YOU CAN LOOK ALL DAY, EVERYONE THAT'S THERE.
THE DITCHES IS COVERED THIS, SAY IT, DON'T PICK IT UP THERE AND GET ON ME AROUND MY FEET.
IF THESE PEOPLE COME DOWN MAIN STREET TREES AND THE THINGS LAYS ALL THE VISITS, AND I KNOW IT WAS ABOUT HIS BAG AND I CAN SHOW HIM TO HIM ABOUT MR.
SO ARE, WE ARE REALLY BAD, HIS CALENDAR WITHOUT HIM KNOWING IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? UH, I'M SCARED TO ASK AND THAT, OKAY.
NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA, THEN WE'LL BE THERE.
AND I'M HERE AND WALK AND DO THAT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING
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ABOUT THE PROBLEM.SO IT'S NOW THE LAST TIME I WAS IN JULY, DMP ME
WAS IT? WHAT WAS THE COINS? WHAT WAS THE DLTS RESPOND NOW? I WAS ASKING MR. METALS, MR. MANDELA, MR.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED? PLEASE ADVISE ME THAT YESTERDAY AROUND A MOVIE, BUT THEY ALSO STATED THAT LIVING AT THE TRACK, THE FAMILY, WHICH WE HAD DONE WENT DOWN.
IF WE WANTED TO LOOK AT COSTS, A BIT OF IT, BUT A CONTRACT COULD BE MADE, HAVE TO MAKE BASICALLY, BUT TO DO THE TURNAROUND, WE WOULD HAVE TO OBTAIN PROPERTY FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
DO THEY DO A, UH, REGULATE
THAT ROAD FOR LIKE $250 TO SEE MISTAKE DAN FADE ON THE END OF THE ROAD.
AND HE WAS SAYING THAT THE CRIME WAS 10 FEET LONGER.
THEY WOULDN'T USE THE DRIVEWAY.
AND HE WAS SAYING THEY WOULD WORK.
AND THEN YOU SAID FOR ABOUT 250 BUCKS, YOU CAN STICK IT ON THERE.
AND I, I REMEMBER SOMEBODY OFFERED TO PAY THE 250, BUT I AIN'T GONNA SAY WHO IT WAS JUST TO PROVE THE 0.1 WAY OR THE UP ONCE.
THE BOARD CHOOSES TO INSTRUCT ME
SO
AND THEN WE GOT INTO THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT MOTION TO MOVE HOME.
AND HE TOLD US THE SAME THING.
BUT, UM, WE WENT OUT WITH THE 10 FEET.
I REMEMBER, I MAY ASK YOU TO JUST THAT
CAN WE ON MONDAY, CAN YOU GIVE US AN ESTIMATE WHAT IT COST, ADD 10 FEET TO DO, TO DO THE COMPLETE JOB AND THIS AND MS. RANDOLPH, WAIT A MINUTE WITH MS. RANDOLPH, DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THE 10 PEOPLE, DO YOU ANY GOODS
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WELL, WE'VE SEEN THE PURCHASE, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WAIT, IF WE PUT THE 10 FEET ON THERE, WILL THAT BE HEAT UP THE PAVEMENT TRUCK NANNY.IF, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, IF MS. MILLS WOULD COME AT WITH A COST ON THAT RANDOLPH, I WANT TO STOP ME.
I'LL JUST DIRECT THE MR. MILLS COME UP WITH A COST
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, BUT THE MAYOR AND MRS. LEE HAS ALREADY MENTIONED TO MR. MEADOWS, IF YOU WOULD, TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THE DRAINAGE AREA AND THE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU THIS MS. VAN, HE HAS ALREADY BEEN INSTRUCTED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT TYPE OF PROBLEM.
THAT'S MADELINE'S COULD YOU, UH, SCOPE THAT OUT BETWEEN NINE MONDAY, PLEASE? AND TELL US ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
THAT WAS ME BOOTS, TRYING TO CLEAN UP ALONG THEIR BOOTS AND WALK ON THIS TO ME.
WHEN YOU WALK IN, SLOW INTO THE WAR AND THE BREAK AND ALL THAT STUFF, AND IT'S THE SMELLS LIKE EVERYTHING FROM HUMAN WASTE TO ANIMAL WASTE IS COMING THROUGH THERE.
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ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS STUDY WILLING PLAY THAT HAS TO INCLUDE THAT DITCH.AND, UH, TELL ME THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE TO PUT THEIR, UH, EXPERTISE ON THE LINE TO FIX OUR PROBLEM.
AND I I'M SURE THEY'LL DO A GOOD JOB AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO CARRY OUT WHAT THEY TELL US TO DO.
SO, I MEAN, TRUST ME MONDAY NIGHT, I SHALL ASK HIM ABOUT ALL THE WAY ALONG.
IT'S A SLOW TRACKING THING ALL THE WAY DOWN, AND THIS IS WHY I TRIED TO TAKE THIS PICTURE BECAUSE THIS IS
I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT PERSONALLY.
SO NEAR THAT I WOULD LIKE
LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT THING, MAN, WHICH WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE FIRST STREET COMMERCIAL ENTRANCEWAY CARD, AN OVERLAY DISTRICT EXTENDING FROM US 70 BYPASS ON THE SOUTH AND BROAD STREET ON THE NORTH.
AND WHO'S GOING TO WANT TO COME UP AND ASK WHAT I THINK AND ENLIGHTENED US ON THAT.
WHY YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS AN ENTRANCE WAY.
FORDHAM'S RECOMMENDED FOR FIRST ZONING BOARD TO APPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT ENTRANCE WAY INTO, UH, THE CITY, UH, THE ORDINANCE INSTITUTES, SOME MODERN STANDARDS, UM, ALL DEVELOPMENTS THAT TAKE PLACE WITHIN THIS CORE DDOT REJECTS A DOUBLING OF LESS THAN 20 YEARS AS THIS BOARD BECOMES THE MOST IMPORTANT FOUR INTO THE FIVE POINTS AREA.
AND THE DOWNTOWN, THESE PROJECTIONS ARE WITH THE TRACTOR BRIDGE IN PLACE, AS
THE ORDINANCE ITSELF REFLECTS A FINDING OF THE 19 8, 19 92 CITYWIDE SURVEY THAT HAD, UH, ABOUT 1600 RESPONDENTS TO, UH, THAT 72% OF THOSE RESPONDING SUPPORT.
THE CITIES DEVELOPED STANDARDS FOR INFAMOUS CORES AND ALSO DOVETAILS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS CONTAINED IN THE CITY'S 1990 URBAN DESIGN PLAN AND FIVE POINTS.
AND THE DOWNTOWN, AS FAR AS LOCATION PARKING MATERIALS DESIGNS IS STAND, UH, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER, UH, INTEREST WAVE ORDERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE STORY.
HE SAID IN TWO AREAS, BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT, RECEIVE A SINGLE FAMILY
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RESIDENCES OR EXEMPTED FROM THE, UM, STANDARDS OF ORDER.AND ALSO THE ORDER OF PIES GOES OVER.
THEN THE AREA YOU SEE THERE OUTLINED IN RED WILL NOT AFFECT PORTIONS OF LOSS OUTSIDE OF THAT BOARD.
UM, WE HAVE FOUND THAT IMPROVED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ALONG ORDERS IN THIS QUARTER, WE FEEL WE'LL FOLLOW THAT TREND WILL ENHANCE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY, CHARACTER LIVABILITY, AND THE COMMUNITY'S APPEARANCE.
I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AROUND YOU AND, UM, THE IMPACT FOR ANIMALS FROM THE OTHER MAJOR ENTRANCE WAYS INTO THE CITY, SUCH AS, UH, TRAN ROSE, UH, UH, THE AREA THERE AROUND THE PAKISTAN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF BUSINESSES THERE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF CONVENIENCE STORES SLASH, UM, GASOLINE STATIONS ALONG OUR GLEN BURNIE AND HOW MANY 17 FOUR, UH, WHICH HAVE, UM, DAN ENHANCED THROUGH THE USE OF THE CORES AND ALSO IN OUR FIVE POINTS AREA WHERE USING THE CORES, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE COASTAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, ALL MATERIALS USE TO, TO HELP ENHANCE THAT GALLERY.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THE PORTER AT IS AS SHOWN HERE ON THE MAP, UH, THE BLEND TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIKE THERE AREN'T THAT MANY, UH, TRACKS OF LAND THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED ON FIRST STREET EITHER.
THERE ARE, UH, SOME THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE TRACKS AREN'T AVAILABLE, UH, SOME OF THE TRACKS OF LION ARE IN SEVERE DETERIORATION.
UH, AND WE, WE WILL BE SEEING THOSE REPLACED AT SOME POINT OR EITHER EXTENSIVELY RENOVATED.
UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, UH, IN THE QUEEN STREET AREA, ANTHROPOLOGY STREET ON UP TO REMAINING IN SOME AREAS TO THE SOUTH
UM, THE ONE ITEM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE OF, UH, THE ORDERS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ASK, ADD ONE MODIFICATION MADE TO IT.
IT REFLECTS THE AREA THAT IT AFFECTS, AND THAT WAS, UH, DIRECTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UM, AND IT SAYS THAT IT SAID BURSARY FOR CONSISTENT STRIP OF LAND, 400 FEET WIDE, 200 FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE SETTLEMENT OR STREET.
AND THAT PORTION OF THE ROAD IN PEMBROKE ROAD, WHICH LANDS BETWEEN FIRST STREET AND 75 PASS, NOT WITHSTANDING ANY OTHER PROVISIONS OR REQUIREMENTS SET OUT IN THIS SECTION ONLY TO THOSE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT WITHIN THE DESCRIBE FOR, AND THAT WAS TO ADDRESS SOMEBODY'S NEIGHBOR LOSS.
THAT WOULD BE OUT OF THE VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT.
AND ALSO THESE PROPERTIES ARE ALSO OTHER MR. MAYOR QUESTION.
WELL, THREE QUESTIONS OF ACTUAL, WELL, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE GET INTO QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC AREA? SHOULD WE LET, UH, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROTOCOL IS.
LET ME ASK ONE THING BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
NO, NO ONE HAVING A BUSINESS LOCATED THERE AT THIS TIME, WHAT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS MAKING CHANGES TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE IS CONCERNED.
AS, AS FAR AS ONES THAT ARE EXISTING, THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING.
IF THERE IS AN EXPANSION OR THE OLD BUILDING IS TORN DOWN AND A NEW BUILDING IS BUILT, THEN THOSE WOULD HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW STANDARD.
PLUS THERE ARE RIGHT NOW CAN STAY THE WAY IT IS FOREVER.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THING, JUST, JUST TO PICK ONE BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN IT COMES TO MIND IS THE FORMER DEALERS, ALL THE BUILDING, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS REGULATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY TO MODIFY
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ANYTHING THAT IS THERE AT THE PRESENT TIME, BECAUSE THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED IN.AND I'M JUST, I'M NOT ZEROING IN ON THAT ONE, EXCEPT THAT ONE JUST HAPPENED TO POP THEM OUT.
I THINK IT'S A VACANT AT THIS TIME.
SO, UH, SO NOBODY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING NOW, EXCEPT OF COURSE THERE'S SOME BUILDINGS AT SOME POINT, THE ONLY TIME THAT THE NEW STANDARDS WERE EFFECTIVE BUSINESS, IF THEY WERE GOING TO ADD AN ADDITION TO A BUILDING OR IF THEY WERE GOING TO DEMOLISH IT AND BUILD A NEW BUILDING, UH, PLUS THERE NOW, UH, THIS WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY ACTION.
I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CLEAR.
THAT'S WHY AFTER A PUBLIC, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY CHANGE IN PROPERTY VALUE GENERALLY WHEN YOU BECOME A CARD OR VERSUS BEFOREHAND, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT SHOULD INCREASE DESIRABLE, MORE DESIRABLE.
THE APPEARANCE OF THE AREA IMPROVES.
AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPED STANDARDS, AS THEY BECOME HIGHER IN THE PROPERTY VALUE ITSELF AND THE TAX BASE INCREASES, UH, MIKE, WHERE DID YOU, UH, GET THESE STANDARDS FROM? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS SEEM TO BE SUBJECTIVE TO ME, FOR INSTANCE, A SECTION SEVEN SIGNS SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF DESIGN, SCALE, PROPORTION, COLORS, AND MATERIALS.
NOW WHAT'S PROPORTION TO ONE PERSON MAY NOT BE PROPORTIONED TO ANOTHER PERSON.
AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A PERSON COULD UP FOLLOW THIS PARTICULAR STANDARD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM, IT SEEMS TO BE BASED ON SOMEONE'S SUBJECTIVE OPINION AS TO WHAT'S PROPORTIONED.
SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS STANDARD ALSO IN SECTION THREE, NUMBER 11, 60% OF THE FACT, KATE OF ANY PRINCIPAL BUILDING FACING THE STREETS SHOULD BE OF GLASS OR REFLECTIVE MATERIAL.
I MEAN, WHAT'S THAT STANDARD BASED ON THAT SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL OPINION AS TO WHAT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING OR WHAT? OKAY.
UH, FIRST OFFICE FOR SIGNS, UH, THAT IS, UH, BASED ON A DESIRE TO SEE THE SIGNS, UH, USE SOME OF THE MATERIALS OR COLORS TO THE BUILDING THAT IT IS OUT IN FRONT, SO THAT THEY SORT OF GO TO GHANA.
UH, A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE MY CHURCH, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL ROCK CHURCH THAT THEY TORE DOWN THE ROCK SIGN AND PUT UP A LARGE PLASTIC INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIDE.
IT LOOKS TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT THE SIGNAGE COMPLIMENTS, THE BUILDING PERHAPS USES SOME OF THE COLORS OR SO FORTH TO BLEND IN NICELY WITH THAT, IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE AND MAKE IT APPEAR THAT THERE'S SOME UNIFIED THOUGHT IN HOW THIS IS ALL GOING TO TIE TOGETHER.
AND, BUT IT'S STILL SUBJECTIVE THOUGH, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PLANNER MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON THE WESTERN AND WHAT'S, UH, THEY MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION JUST BASED UPON THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES.
AND, UH, THAT'S TOO VAGUE FOR ME TO PASS AS IT STANDS NOW, I JUST DON'T.
UM, WE HAVE A USE THAT STANDARD IN OTHER, UH, CORNERS WITH, WITH SIGNAGE TO HELP ENSURE THAT THE COLORS AND MATERIALS AND SO FORTH COMPLIMENT THE BUILDING ITSELF AND ARE NOT RADICALLY DIFFERENT, BUT WHAT IS THE OWNER? THIS IS A LITTLE BIT, THE OWNER OF PUTS A BUILDING UP AND THEY FEEL LIKE IT COMPLIMENTS WELL, THE SIGN MAY COMPLIMENT TO BUILDING IN THEIR BUILDING IN THEIR OPINION, BUT YOU COME ALONG AND SAY, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT COMPLIMENTS THE BUILDING.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS YOU NEED SOME OBJECTIVE STANDARDS AND NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BASED UPON YOUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO START TO CAUSE CONFLICT.
I DON'T WANT TO, UH, TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT LEAVES DISCRETION TO A CITY OFFICIAL ON WHAT LOOKS GOOD AND WHAT LOOKS BAD, BUT DO YOU WANT HIM, DO YOU WANT LEAVE THE DISCRETION TO NINE OWNERS PUTTING NINE NEW BUILDINGS, NINE DIFFERENT ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SIGNS, AND THEN YOU COME DOWN FIRST STREET AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, LIKE A CIRCUITS GOING THROUGH THEM? WELL, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, I THINK THIS ORDINANCE NEEDED TO BE TIGHTENED UP TO, TO, UH, HAVE SOME SPECIFIC OBJECTIVE STANDARDS THAT ARE JUST NOT BASED UPON YOUR OPINION OR MY OPINION.
THE LAST I ASKED YOU THE QUESTION ANOTHER WAY, WHAT IS THE RABID REPEAL FOR AN OWNER WHO DOESN'T LIKE THE INSPECTOR OR WHOEVER IT IS, I SUPPOSE IT'S TELLING ME THE SIGN.
AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT? OKAY.
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UH, LET ME BACK UP JUST A MOMENT.AND THEN I'LL, I'LL GET TO THAT ONE, UH, WHERE THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN APPROACH ON THE SIGNAGE.
UH, IT IS NOT AN EITHER OR SITUATION.
IT IS A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH.
WE SIT DOWN AND WORK WITH THE OWNER AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND A TRYING TO TIE THAT IN WITH THE BUILDING, UH, IN THE FOUR YEARS THAT WE HAVE BEEN USING THE CORES FIVE ORDERS IN, IN THE CITY, WE HAVE NEVER DENIED A SIGN.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE OWNER SO THAT IT REFLECTS THEIR DESIRES AND, UH, THE STANDARDS THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, IF A PERSON DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE FINAL DETERMINATION WILL ASSIGN, UH, DEMONSTRATORS, A DETERMINATION CAN BE APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR AN APPEAL PROCESS.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE'VE NEVER DENIED A SIGN AND IT IS A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH WHEN THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OF WORKING FOR WAY.
AND WE HAVE THE OPTION OF CHANGING THE ORDINANCE IF IT PROVES TO BE ON WORKABLE.
THIS IS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE THESE CORRIDOR OR ORDINANCES? UM, YES, SIR.
UM, TOPIC COUNTY HAS, UH, CORE ORDINANCES.
UH, THE TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL HAS ORDINANCES.
UH, I BELIEVE THE KERRY DOESN'T HAVE MEN AND WOMEN LISTEN.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE, UH, ORDINANCES FROM OTHER CITIES, JUST TO HAVE A POINT OF REFERENCE, TO SEE WHAT KIND OF STAMPS THEY USE TO, UH, OURS.
OURS ARE MUCH, UH, MORE LENIENT AND THEIRS ARE MUCH MORE, MUCH MORE STRINGENT, WHAT WAY TRY TO BE IN, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT MORNING DETAIL AND SO FORTH.
BUT THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO WITH THAT IS IT LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO BE FLEXIBLE IN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY.
IF THERE'S A BLACK AND WHITE CHECKLIST OF IT MUST BE THIS, THIS OR THIS, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT RESTRICTS OUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE OWNER TO COME UP WITH A CREATIVE APPROACH THAT MEETS THEIR NEEDS AND THE INTENT OF THE ORACLE.
SO THAT SORT OF CUTS BOTH WAYS.
SO AS LONG AS YOU EVERYBODY'S GOT COMMON SENSE AND IT WORKS THE SAME AS JUST PULLING UP INFORMATION, HOW LONG HAVE THESE REGULATIONS BEEN IN EFFECT? UH, ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
I'D LIKE WHAT PUBLIC, RIGHT WHO UP HERE IS AGAINST, WE'LL START OUT WITH THAT.
OH, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
WILL FIRST STREET BE WIDEN? THAT WAS ONE QUESTION THAT WAS, UM, THAT, UH, IS A TOTALLY SEPARATE ISSUE FROM THESE DESIGN STANDARDS, D O T IN THE CITY'S 1993 THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED CALLS FOR A WIDENING OF THAT CORE, THE, UH, RIGHT LIFE FROM 60 FEET TO A HUNDRED FEET.
UM, AS WE HAVE TOLD SOME PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN TO ANY AREA, UH, IT IS OUR CONCERN AND POSITION AT THE PLANNING BOARD AND PLANNING STAFF THAT, UH, UH, THAT IS UNDESIRABLE, UM, AND, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, SHOULD BE LESS THAN WE FEEL.
IT'S STILL ACCOMPLISHED VIA EASE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
UH, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
THE BORDER ITSELF IS JUST DESIGNED AND WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH AND SHARON AND BLADES, AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SET UP A COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES, WHICH IS A LONGER COME LATER.
I'LL START ON THE FIRST ROW IS ANYBODY THAT'S AGAINST IT ON THE FIRST ROW?
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STANDARDS ISSUE.THAT IS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN ISSUE.
ACCORDING TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN 1993 FIRST STREET, AS IT LEAVES IN CONCEPT
UH, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PLANNING COMMITTEE.
REMEMBER THE THREE TIMES, THREE TIMES EACH TIME WE MET WITH THEM REGARDING THE PEOPLE DISAPPROVE THIS BLUE ON THE MERITS AND THE WAYS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO WRITE THE QUESTION YOU ASKED, UH, THEY ASKED THEM, THEY GAVE US, I HAVE A PROPERTY AND WE'LL ALSO SPEAK, UH, UM, UH, I PLAN ON BUILDING A HOUSE.
I ASKED, I ASKED THE QUESTION IN SPANISH 200 FEET FROM
SO THE QUESTION THAT I CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN THEY CAME BACK ON AND I HEARD THE GENTLEMAN SAY SOMETHING ABOUT, HE'S SAYING NOW 60 FEET, WHEN NOT AT TIME, I WAS IN, AND THEY WERE SAYING, THINKING OF 24 FEET, AND NOBODY WOULD HAVE TO MOVE.
NOW I HAVE TO SAY THAT ARE 24 FEET.
THEN NOBODY HAS TO MOVE IN THE WAY OF LEAVING AT THIS POINT.
NOW IT'S LIKE, IF DMT SAYS THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE WIDE AND THERE'S SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO MOVE, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
AND I THINK I HAVE TO USE CERTAIN TYPES OF MATERIALS TO BUILD MY HOUSE FIVE MONTHS TO BUILD A HOUSE SUCH AS THE ONE I HAVE NOW.
AND I PLAN ON DOING OVER THAT WAY, THAT ALL THEY ON 70, THEN I CAN'T GET TO HOUSE, BUT MS. MRS. WHITE, YOU NOT AFFECTED ON LAWSON STREET WITH THIS IS PROBABLY STRAIGHT OVER HERE.
AS I MENTIONED, PREVIOUSLY STRUCTURES FROM THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I THINK MR. WHITE AS WELL, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T HAVE NO RECOLLECTION OF BEING CONFUSED.
WHY I'VE CHANGED WHAT I BELIEVE, BUT WHAT HE WAS SAYING, MS. WHY IS THAT? WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE NOW IS JUST A STANDARD.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DLT EXPANDING OR WHATEVER THE HIGHWAY.
THIS IS JUST THE STANDARDS FOR MAINTAINING.
AND I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY FOR BUILDING BUILDINGS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT BEFORE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WHEN THE LAST ONE, MR. SAM LAST FALL, WHEN HE HAD THE HIGHWAY, DOD WENT TO MEET WITH MR. SASS, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WANTED TO MEET ME AND WE COME UP, THEY COME OVER.
SEVERAL PLANS HAS NEVER GOT DOWN HERE.
HE RENEGED ON THE PLANS AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
MAIN STREET WAS OUT LOUD THAT WASN'T EVEN IN THE PLAN THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT.
SO I HAD A NOISE COMPETENCE, DLT, AND I HAD THAT MUCH CONFIDENCE.
THEN BY WHEN THEY'RE DEALING WITH MY PROPERTY OR I'M DEALING WITH MY LIFESTYLE, I JUST APPROVE OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO DISAPPROVE IT, THE PLANNING BOARD SIT THERE, AND ONE PERSON WOULD LOCK TOTALLY DOWN ON THE FIRST TIME.
THE SECOND TIME THAT THEY TAKE US BACK OFF.
SO WE BETTER PUT THIS ON TAPE.
AND THEN TAYLOR, THEN HE CAME BACK THE THIRD TIME AND ONE PERSON SIT DOWN, WHICH WAS TOTALLY LOCKED.
AND THE OTHER PERSON WENT ALONG WITH IT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT EVERYBODY WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT ON IT.
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AND WE HAD A MEETING BEFORE.ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN WAS A WHILE BACK AND THE COMMUNITY HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE THEIR DECISION ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD COME DOWN AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINION.
SO WE WOULD COME DOWN AS OFF, TELL US, TELL US ONE THING AND COME BACK AND DO IT.
NO POLITICIAN, WILL PEOPLE WORKED FOR THE CITY, PEOPLE IN NEWARK, YOU SHALL BE SPRAYED FOR DON'T TELL US
MA'AM THEN FIRST STREET, ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO
EACH TIME THEY COME WITH ANOTHER PLAN, THEY MET WITH US AND WE JUST APPROVED.
AND THEN THE FINAL TIME WE CAME DOWN HERE, WE WAS LOOKING FOR THE SAME PLAN.
UH, WE HAVE, LET'S SEE IF I CAN READ THIS THING.
MY EYES DON'T WANT TO FOCUS ON THE ORDINANCE IS THE ORDINANCE THAT HE'S PROPOSING IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, JUST WANTING THE CAR TO LOOK LIKE.
BUT AS FAR AS HOW FAR IT GOES DOWN WIDE, IT IS.
AND ALL THAT I'D ASKED THE DOD, IS IT NOT? WHICH IS THE STATE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH.
AND THE STATE CAN MAKE THOSE KINDS OF TENDERS.
AND HE STATED NO, BASED ON THIS, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXPANDING OR EXPANDING FIRST STREET.
ALL IT DOES IS REGULATE HOW THE BUILDINGS, WHICH FACE THE EXISTING FIRST STREET, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NEXT BLOCK.
AND THAT'S NOT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE? ANYBODY ELSE ON THE FIRST ROW AGAINST THE SECOND ROAD STARTING RIGHT TO LAUGH? ANYBODY YESTERDAY ON THAT ONE? ANYBODY YESTERDAY OVER HERE, ANYBODY AGAINST IT OR THROWN ANYBODY AGAINST IT? OKAY.
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YES, SIR.UM, MS. JASON'S PROPERTY WITHIN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, UH, IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND THEREFORE THE STANDARDS FOR USING OUR PROPERTY OR WITH HER PROPERTY.
I THINK ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES HERE IS, UH, IN THE, UH, UH, AN OVERLAY IS CALLED OR UNFORTUNATELY
WELL, THE PEOPLE FIRST STREET, SO THEY CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAY, SOMETIME YOU GET THIS SITUATION AND DID EVERYBODY'S EVERYBODY, POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS WHERE YOU SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
THEN WE GOT CAUGHT UP IN SOMETHING.
I KNOW THAT WE DON'T, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE THING AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS THAT STREET.
SO WE HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY DLT.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TONIGHT.
IF WE WOULD JUST EXPLAIN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE DMT, YOU KNOW, VERSUS JUST TAKING A MINUTE AND GIVE THEM A NAME OF A PERSON
UM, THIS IS THE DESIGN ORDER HERE.
THIS LINE HERE IS A 400 FOOT WIDE AREA, 203 ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE STREET VERSUS STRAIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE HERE IS AS WIDE AS MY FINGER, AND THAT REPRESENTS A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT O T RECOMMENDED IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UH, FOR THE CITY IS A WIDELY OF THE RIGHT OF WAY BY 40 FEET TO A HUNDRED FEET, WHICH WOULD MEAN YOU'D COME OUT ABOUT 20 FEET ON EACH SIDE FOR THE NEW IMPROVED ROAD THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN HERE, UH, THROUGH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
IT IS, UH, OUR CONTENTION AT THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE PLANNING STAFF THAT THEY DON'T NEED, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL PACK.
ALL THE PEOPLE LIVING AND WORKING IN THIS AREA AND THAT THEY CAN COME UP WITH A STREET DESIGN THAT WILL HANDLE THE TRAFFIC FLOW WITHOUT REQUIRING THAT APPLIED.
SO WHATEVER IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE GUILTY OR WHY THE FIRST STREET WE OPPOSE.
WELL, UH, I MEAN, AT THIS POINT WE GOT CLOSE TO THERE BE THAT ERA THAT MAYBE WOULD BE IDEAL TO THIS WIDER FIRST STREET.
AND IF MEN WERE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, IT WOULD AFFECT HIS PROPERTY AND OTHER PROPERTIES.
IF THEY DID PROPOSAL THEIR AFFAIR PLAN, THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO PROPOSE IT TO THEM.
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THAT CORRECT? ALRIGHT, SPEED.THOROUGHFARE IS CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
NOW WHAT CHAIRMAN PLAYS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SAID IS LET'S GET A GROUP OF PEOPLE TOGETHER.
HE HAS BEEN WITH, UH, BOBBY MADDIX, UH, AND OTHER DOD REPRESENTATIVES TO EXPRESS CONCERN ABOUT THIS AND WHAT WE FOLLOWING ON THE SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS TO GET EVERYONE INVOLVED IN, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? ONE THE FUTURE, AS FAR AS THE PER PLAN AND TRYING TO ENSURE THAT IT NEEDS, THEY ASK THE NEEDS AND CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS OF NEWBURGH.
AND, AND ONCE AGAIN, THEY DO LISTEN TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE MADE SEVERAL CHANGES TO OUR CARE PLAN.
ONE OF THEM IS WHAT MR. SAMSON WAS TALKING ABOUT A 48 IT'S FIRST STREET WITH EXTENDED ACROSS BASED ON THE REACTION TO THIS BOARD AND CITIZENS THAT WAS TAKEN OUT.
SO I THINK WE EVER CAN HAVE IMPACT THERE.
AND, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD IS, UH, GETTING STARTED IN THAT PROCESS.
CITY MANAGER IS ON THAT COMMITTEE TO TRY TO ENSURE THAT WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS THEY ASKED FOR THE AREA OF THE CITY THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AND DESIGNS DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO THEM.
THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUE.
THIS IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN GOVERNANCE.
JUST HOW THE BUILDINGS BUSINESSES WILL LOOK RIGHT NOW, ALONG THAT STRETCH, WHICH ALREADY EXISTS AS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WIDENING THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THE FUTURE OR WHAT THEY MAY DO WITH THE STREET IN THE FUTURE, AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON A PRIVATE RESIDENCE, ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
I THINK THAT'S THE THING THAT SCARES ME IS PEOPLE, PEOPLE WERE STILL GETTING THE TWO MIXED UP AND THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON THAT.
AND THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON THIS TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY HAD A CHANCE TO READ, THIS HAS TO DO WITH HOW MANY PARKING SPACES A BUSINESS CAN HAVE IN FRONT OF A BUSINESS, HOW BIG THE WINDOWS CAN BE.
THAT SORT OF THING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PRIVATE RESIDENCE.
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WIDENING THE ROAD.
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXTENDING THE ROAD.
THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE DISCUSSED IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT WON'T AFFECT THIS.
AND THIS WILL AFFECT THAT THIS WON'T AFFECT THE HOME AT ALL IN ANY WAY.
NOW YOU SAID THE AUDIENCE, NOW YOU GO IN SOME AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE A HOUSE.
IF SOMEONE WAS TO BUILD A BUSINESS NEXT DOOR TO ME, THAT'D BE A SIT AT MY HOUSE IS A RESIDENTIAL MANDATE AS A BUSINESS, YOURS WOULDN'T CHANGE IT DOESN'T CHANGE.
THE FIRST REMEMBER THE FIRST THING I ASKED TONIGHT WAS THAT HE MADE IT CLEAR.
THIS WILL NOT AFFECT ANYTHING THAT IS THERE.
CAN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOUR HOUSE IS YOUR HOUSE AND THE WAY IT IS IS THE WAY IT IS.
AND THAT CAN'T MACK DOESN'T COME INTO THIS AT ALL.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ON YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? THEN NO.
HOWEVER, IF HER HOUSE BURNS DOWN AND IT STAYS UP AND IT HASN'T BEEN RESTORED AND MAYBE 180 DAYS, THEN SHE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS ORDINANCE.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO PRIVATE RESIDENCES ARE EXCLUDED.
THIS IS ONLY COMMERCIAL, BUT THE INTENT, WELL, LET'S SAY IT SAYS, IT SAYS IT DEFINES THESE CORRIDORS AND IT SAYS SOLD THOSE OFF AS A CHARACTERIZE.
MY LOOSELY ARRANGED MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AND INSTITUTIONAL CAR, RIGHT? HER, HER LAND IS SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THIS ORDINANCE.
HER LAND IS THAT THE ORDINANCE IS CLUES RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
BUT I STILL THINK EVEN FOR BUSINESS,
BUT THE FACT THAT IT SAYS, AND RESIDENCES IT'S EXEMPT, BUT LET, LET ME TAKE MY OWN.
UM, I FEEL THE INTENT IS GOOD, BUT I FEEL THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BASED ON SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL APPEARANCE, PERSONAL OPINION.
AGAIN, I HAVE A, UH, WITH A PROVISION STATING THAT SIGN SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE
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WITH THE BUILDER IN TERMS OF DESIGN, SCALE, PROPORTION, COLORS, AND MATERIALS.THAT'S JUST LIKE IF THE CITY PROPOSED, THEY ADDRESS A RULE OR SOMETHING WHERE YOUR TIE SHOULDN'T BE SO MANY INCHES WHY IT COULD BE BECAUSE IT SHOULDN'T COVER, BUT A CERTAIN PROPORTION OF YOUR STOMACH OR WHATEVER THAT'S SUBJECTIVE.
IT DEPENDS UPON WHAT'S INVOLVED AT THE TIME, MY PERSON OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY AND BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT WITH SOMETHING OBJECTIVE, NOT BASED ON SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL OPINION.
ROBERT, I GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE STAY IN COURT SO MUCH BECAUSE OF THESE VAGUE RULES AND LAWS, BECAUSE OF YOU LAWYERS.
THAT'S,
YEAH, BUT ROB, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GET, BUT ROBIN, MY UNDERSTAND, MY UNDERSTAND IS THAT IF, IF, IF YOU DON'T PUT THINGS LIKE THIS IN PLACE, THEN AREN'T YOU OPENING YOURSELF UP TO, UH, A STRIP OR A STREET.
THAT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT CONDUCIVE TO WHAT NEW BERN IS ABOUT.
WELL, A YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO, DID WE DO A SIGN ON IT TO WHERE ASSERT YOUR SON HAD TO BE A CERTAIN SAPP? DID YOU OBJECT TO THAT AT THE TIME? TELL YOU WHAT DUDE DO ME A FAVOR.
THIS IS, THIS IS ALL I INJECTED THE EDITOR.
I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM TO ORDER.
I WANT IT TO BE DRAFTED IN A WAY THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON CAN, CAN READ IT AND KNOW WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO.
AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT IS CONCERNED, THIS IS WHAT I WANT.
I WILL, I WILL RESPECTFULLY, YOU NEED TO HAVE
AND SO WHAT I SEE NOW THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE, OF COMING THROUGH, BUT IF THE DEAL TEAM WANTED TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WELL, I FEEL SURE THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALSO SAY WITH THAT, MR. BLADE IS AND ANOTHER IN A GROUP OF THEM, I'M NOW TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT FIRST STREET IS NOT WIDE, NOTHING.
AND IT DOESN'T DESTROY ANYTHING THAT'S ON THAT RIGHT AWAY AS A MEN.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AFTER YOUR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
THE DLT DECIDED DO Y ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE HAVE SOME
IS THAT WHAT THE PROPOSED BY THE OT AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? JUST TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT ALSO
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? WE CAN MAKE SURE, UM, JENKINS AND OTHERS THAT WHEN THEY DO, AND IF THEY ARE HAVING PLANNING MEETINGS AND PROPOSING ANYTHING THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY ON THE FIRST STREET IS MADE AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR PUBLIC HERE.
IT'S WHEN THEY'RE HAVING A PLANNING MEETING.
SO WE'LL BE SURE TO HAVE YOU AGAIN RIGHT NOW.
WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE'RE ALL ON YOUR SIDE.
I MEAN, THEY'VE ASKED WHAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH ON YOUR, ON YOUR SIDE.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE AGREE WITH THE SAME THINGS YOU DO.
FOR AN EXAMPLE, YOU'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF US SPEAK OF THE INTENT OF OUR ORDINANCE.
MR. RYAN HAD TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE, UH, UH, JUST DISCRETIONARY OR, OR HARD TO WORK WITH, SO TO SPEAK AND SO FORTH.
UH, WE'VE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT TO INFRINGE ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE.
WE DON'T WANT TO WIDEN THE STREET.
WE WE'VE GONE ON RECORD AND STATE AND CERTAIN THINGS TONIGHT.
ONE THING THAT WE CAN DO IS IF WE FIND THAT OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T DO WHAT WE WANTED IT TO DO OR OVERDOSE WHAT WE WANTED IT TO DO, BASED ON OUR INTENT, WE CAN CHANGE IT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO STOP THE T WE CAN'T OFFICIALLY, I GUESS, STOP THEM.
HOWEVER, AS IT WAS STATED, THEY
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DO LISTEN TO THE MUNICIPALITY'S CONCERNS.AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, BOTH THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITY.
AND, UH, SO THEREFORE WE WOULD EXPECT PROBABLY A POSITIVE OUTCOME.
SO, YOU KNOW, LESS, IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK YOU MENTIONED AS ACCOMPLISHED IN THAT SENSE.
ONE REASON WHY
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT, BUT, BUT WE WILL AGAIN, GO ON RECORD ASKING THEM THAT IF THEY HEAR ANYTHING COMING ONE WAY OR THE ALBUM BEFORE IT GETS ANY PLACE PAST THE FIRST ANDREW MOVEMENT, LET US KNOW, AND THEN WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN DO.
IS ANYBODY ELSE LEFT OUT AT IT AGAINST THIS ORDINANCE? OKAY.
COME FORTH AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS
AND FOLLOWING ALONG WITH THIS, UH, FOR PROPERTY THAT I AM INTERESTED IN, AND WE BEEN PLAYING AROUND THIS ABOUT A YEAR AND SOME PLANS, AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, IS THIS GOES THROUGH, OR WE WERE PLANNING ON TAKING A, BUILD THIS, NOT LOOKING THE BEST IN THE WORLD AND JUST MAKING IT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A CRACK THAT'S OVER THE RULES.
IT IS THAT WHAT GENTLEMAN, A GLASS SHOP IS, WHAT IT USED TO BE BRAND CROSSING CITY.
WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, ONE THING THAT THEY'VE DONE WITH WHAT I UNDERSTAND MOST PORSCHE UNDERSTANDS IS THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO USE A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING.
UM, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO USE THE
SO YOU GOT TO HAVE A FACADE, BUT YOU CAN USE, IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING, YOUR DISAGREE WITH THAT OR, WELL, WE GET TOGETHER AND THIS, WE KEEP HEARING, WE GET LITTLE INFORMATION TONIGHT.
MS. DAVID HAD BROUGHT UP THE BEING PRESENT OF SOME NEW NEW STANDARDS.
AND THE PROBLEM IS WE CAME BACK A AGO, A QUESTION THAT WE KEEP GETTING ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO KNOW WHICH ONE THEY GOING BY.
WELL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FAIRLY CONCRETE IN MIND ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO, WHERE YOU CAN JUST GIVE A, GIVE THEM JUST A SKETCH, IF YOU WILL, AND SAY CRITIQUE THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH COMING UP WITH A SUITABLE MATERIAL, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I KNOW I WON'T BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD IN THEIR BODY ON THAT STRIP.
WE'VE GOT THE BRAIN LAST DEAL, NOT THERE WHICH HAD, WHICH HAS METAL ON THE OUTSIDE.
I MEAN, WE GOT THE CITY LANDS ON THE LIP, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MISSY.
AGAIN, THEY'VE MADE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN EXISTING STRUCTURES AND FUTURE STRUCTURES.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU SAID IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT ALL THE WAY UP TO WHAT THEY GOT IN MIND, BUT YOU WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? I DON'T WANT THAT DOOR CLOSED.
AND UNTIL WE GET YOU THE FORM, AND WE'RE JUST NOW IN THE DESIGN PHASE, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY WITH THE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS OR SO FORTH TO COME UP WITH A BUILDING IT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO MEET SOMEBODY WILL FALL WITHIN HIS ORDERS.
WELL, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD TO, UH, I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME MAJOR CONCERNS
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LIKE THE OUTSIDE SHAVING THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.I I'M, I'M KIND OF READING BETWEEN THE LINES HERE, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'D LIKE TO USE FOR AN EXAMPLE.
I HEAR AGAIN, I'M, DEPENDING ON AN ARCHITECT IS GONE, WE'LL WORK AT A SCHEME FOR ME.
AND DO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING WITH THE CULTURE HAS A USUAL WAR, A NEW COMBINATION.
BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS I DON'T WANT TO, I WON'T HAVE MY
WE STILL GOT RENT AND ALL THIS STUFF TO THE INSPECTION TO FORM THEIR APPROVAL, EVEN UNTIL WE GET EVERYTHING SITUATED.
THERE'S A QUESTION I THINK THAT COULD AFFECT WHAT WE DO ONCE YOU DON'T DO
AND, AND, UH, UH,
WHAT I LIKE TO SEE DONE IS FOR THE CITY, JUST TO HOLD THIS OFF AND HAVE A MEETING, JUST THE, UH, JUST THE PROPERTY AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GONE THAT WOULD WORK TO OUR BANK AND DO IT THAT WAY.
WHAT KIND OF TIME FRAME YOU'RE TALKING OF MY TIME TEST? WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
IS THIS GOING TO PUT US IN THE POSITION OF EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT ONE OF THESE CARS SITUATIONS, WE HAVE A RIDE, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF RULES BASED ON WHAT THE PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY THEY ARE WELL IS EVERY RULE, EVERY SET OF RULES GOING TO BE DIFFERENT, THE, UH, SANDRA'S STORY OR GARY WITH THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CORE OF THE CHARACTER THAT THEY ARE AS FAR AS BUILDING SAW WINDOWS, UH, PARKING SO FORTH ARE VERY SIMILAR AMONGST SOME KIND OF A MORE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER TO THEM.
SOME HAVE A MORE STRICT THE ONLY THING THAT HE IS SPEAKING UP, UH, AS I RECALL, IS ART RICH ART BLOCK, OR, UH, ANY EXPANSIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT USING THOSE THREE MATERIALS, UH, WOULD COME UNDER THE GUIDELINES THERE THAT YOU HAVE OF THE ORDINANCE AND ALL THAT THING.
THAT WOULD BE THE VERBAL SHEETS OF CORRUGATED METAL.
LIKE YOU SEE IN A WAREHOUSE, UM, APPLICATION ALONG THE AREA IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, RIGHT? UH, WE HAVE HAD THREE MEETINGS PLANNING THE ZONING ON THIS MATTER.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS TO ANSWER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
UH, WE HAVE HAD DESIRES, BE COMMENTS LIKE, WELL, HURRY UP AND GET A BUILDING.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT YOU LOOK AT PUTTING IT OFF, PUTTING IT OFF, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS JUST DILUTING THE EFFECT FOR THE LONG TERM.
NOT, BUT A QUESTION IS, IS BEFORE WE CAN GET INTO, I JUST DON'T WANT ANY MONEY CLOSE UP AS LONG AS THEY TEXT.
SO YOU WOULD LIKE, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPTION OF USING METAL SHEET.
THAT IS, THAT IS THE PROPOSITIONS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE EXCLUDE METAL.
SEE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO USE METAL SHIT.
I'M TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THE ROOT OF WHAT WE'RE AFTER HERE.
SO WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, IF WE CAN GET TOGETHER, THERE IS TWO OR THREE OF US HERE, THIS GUY CONCERNS THAT REALLY AFFECT WHAT GOES IN THE BACK, EVEN THOUGH IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, HE MAY HAVE BEAUTIFICATION DETRIMENT, STRIP, BUT IT'S FEBRUARY
AND I MAY BE ONE OF THOSE YOU'RE SHORT.
MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT IN THE LONG-TERM OR WHAT, WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE TO BE IN MAY, UH, IT MAY AFFECT HOW MUCH I CAN PUT ON THAT SIDE.
AND IF
SO
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MR. BAYER, WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF THE ORDINANCE FOR COSTS OF THE HOUR.I'M ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY DO DOESN'T SAY THEREFORE, I MEAN, AGAIN, IT WAS HORRIBLE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS, COME BACK INTO THAT? THE NUMBERS THAT WERE
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL HAVE, HAVE THOSE ANSWERS.
I MADE, TAKEN THE POSITION SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD AND THROUGHOUT MOST OF MY LIFE, I DON'T REALLY LIKE SUBJECTIVE THINGS.
IT'S JUST THE CONCERN THAT HE EXPRESSED.
HOWEVER, SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE AN EFFECT THAT IT RUBS TWO WAYS, AND THAT WAS WHAT MIKE AND I HATE TO BE ON MIKE SIDE, BUT THAT WAS WHILE MIKE WAS GETTING THAT.
AND HE SAID, IF WE MAKE THE RULES TOO RIGID, THEN IT DOESN'T GIVE US THE ABILITY TO, TO, TO, TO DO SOMETHING.
IT MAKES COMMON SENSE, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE THE ROOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE SUIT TO FIT THE COMMON MAN.
AND WE SAID, WE MAKE ONE, BUT THERE'S NOBODY, THAT'S THE AVERAGE SIZE.
SO WE GOT TO SLEEP FOR NOBODY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE COMES DOWN TO COMMON SENSE.
AND DO YOU HAVE AN, AN AVENUE OF APPEAL TO PEOPLE? HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE COMMON SENSE.
AND IF WE CAN BE ASSURED OF THAT, THEN REALLY YOU DON'T NEED ANY LOANS AT ALL.
WE FOUND, UH, SINCE WE LEFT THE CAVE MANY YEARS AGO, THAT IT CERTAIN, CERTAIN FOLKS, YOU KNOW, NEED, NEED TO HAVE LAWS AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO I FEEL LIKE THAT IN CASE OF THESE KINDS OF THINGS, AS LONG AS THIS BOARD HAS ANY SENSE, AND WE'RE MOST, I WAS HANGING ON TO WHITE A LITTLE BIT.
WE STARTED WITH, AND AS LONG AS THE PLANNING BOARD AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAS ANY SENSE.
AND AS LONG AS THE OTHER FOLKS, THERE'S SEVERAL LAYERS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN CORRECT SOMETHING THAT GOES AGAINST COMMON SENSE.
SO I, I FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH IT FROM THAT ASPECT.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THIS TOWN.
SOMEBODY'S IDEALISTIC HEAVEN ON EARTH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ANY PRACTICALITY TO IT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THEY APPLIED TO THE BUSINESS, MAN.
I KNOW THE HOMEOWNER THAT IS SITTING IN THEIR EXISTING WONDERING WHETHER I'M GOING TO GET BULLDOZE OVER WHATEVER AND UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THAT WAS THE REASON I ASKED.
AND I DON'T KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT THIS THING AT ALL.
WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE PROPERTY VALUES WHEN WE DO THESE THINGS, THEN THE ANSWER IS IT IN GENERAL, IT INCREASES SO EVERYBODY, ALTHOUGH YOU MAY GIVE UP SOME FREEDOM TO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT IN THE LONG RUN YOU'RE GOING TO GAIN.
AND IF I DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE FREEDOM TO ME IS, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE'VE GOT AS AMERICANS.
THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE CATCHER WAS FOUNDED ABOUT.
AND WHEN I GIVE MINE UP, I GIVE IT UP REAL BEGRUDGINGLY.
IT'S GOT TO BE FOR THE COMMON GOOD.
SO IF I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET ANYBODY HAVE ME IN THE SOUTH, AND THIS IS RIDICULOUS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN'T JUST SAY, WELL, I, YOU KNOW, JUST GO AHEAD AND BEND WHATEVER YOU WANT.
WE'LL BEND THE THING AROUND TO FIT IT.
BECAUSE HIM, LIKE HE SAYS, NOT ONLY HAVE YOU DILUTED IT, YOU'VE DESTROYED THAT WORD.
WELL, WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS SO FAR.
AND WHEN YOU SIT, WHEN YOU SUBMIT A BIT AND YOU GOT TO DO YOUR PLANNINGS AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, SO THAT'S RIGHT.
AND WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS IF WE, IF YOU JUST HANDLE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, THEY'RE PROBABLY MEAN THEY'RE FOLLOWING OUR REASON TO DO THIS THING AROUND THAT.
WELL, YOU SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO, I THINK THAT YOU, THAT YOU REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FACADE.
BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO IT, THAT'S JUST ONE THING WITH THE, WHEN I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE PARKING AND THE RESTRICTION, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BARKING AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
I MEAN, I CAN SEE HE'S CONCERNED REGARDING THE PARKING, BECAUSE SEE, UNLESS WE KNEW THE CHARACTER OF EVERY PARCEL OF LAND ALONG FIRST STREET, YOU KNOW, WHO CAN SAY, WELL, FRONT STREET PARKING IS APPROPRIATE FOR ONE TRACK OF LAND, AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE DID A GOOD JOB ON THE, UH, UTILITIES BUILDING ON FIRST STREET.
WE HAVE PARKING OUT FRONT, BUT YET THIS, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD IN EFFECT PROHIBIT, UH, FRONT STREET PARKING, OR AT LEAST LIMITED TO 10% OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
NOW I THINK IT MIGHT BE WISE TO, UH, SAYS THIS QUARTER IS SO SHORT.
WE NEED A PHOTOGRAPH OF EVERY VACANT TRACK OF LAND ON THAT CORNER THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HARDSHIP.
AND, UH, AND, AND THEN WE NEED TO REVIEW THIS BY LOOKING AT A, UH, AN ORDINANCE FROM ANOTHER CITY.
WHO'S, WHO'S ALREADY DONE THAT BECAUSE I JUST CAN'T
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BELIEVE I'M VANESSA POWERS THAT CAN GET AWAY WITH, UH, AN OIL THAT SAYS LOOSELY DRAWN IS THIS YEAR.I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SPEAKING AS A LAWYER.
THIS STUFF TO ME IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LITIGATED AND SEE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT THE LAWYERS ARE NOT THE REASON WHY WE HAVE LITIGATION.
IT'S PEOPLE, THE LAW IS ONLY REPRESENT PEOPLE.
AND, UH, IT'S IT'S, IT COULD BE YOU.
AND WHEN THE GRILLED TIME, WHEN YOU COME TO COURT, THEN YOU WON'T BE SAYING THAT, BUT AMERICAN, WE OPEN THEM ON THIS.
EVERYBODY IS FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE, RAISE YOUR HAND OR STAND, OR THERE'S A BUNCH OF THEM.
WELL, I GUESS WE'RE OUT NOTHING.
MR. MAYOR, POINT OF ORDER, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN LET THE BOARD GET THEIR 2 CENTS WORTH IN AFTER WE'VE LISTENED TO ALL, BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO GO ON FOREVER.
IF WE KEEP ARGUING WITH EVERYBODY HERE, AND I LOVE TO HEAR WHAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY, AND THEN WE CAN ARGUE, AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
UH, I'LL SIT DOWN AND I'LL SIT DOWN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE.
BUT THE THING IS, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A MR. REINER SUGGESTION AT HEART THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THE SECOND THING IS THAT WE NEED TO DO IS THAT FOR ALL THE MAIN PEOPLE THAT VOTE FOR THIS, THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE THAT OWN THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THESE PEOPLE HERE THAT OWN THIS PROPERTY HERE ARE RESPONSIBLE AND THEY COULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
SO THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING ANYTHING AT ALL.
ALL THESE PEOPLE MAKE THEIR LIVING DURING THIS TIME.
THERE'S NOT ANYBODY GETTING THEM TO DO ANYTHING TO RUN AWAY THOSE PEOPLE.
SO I THINK YOU NEED TO BEAR THAT IN MIND BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL ROSES AND THIS SORT OF THING.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO ACHIEVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING WITHOUT DOING, PASSING THIS ORDINANCE.
AT THIS TIME, ONCE WE GET IN HERE, GET INTO A LITTLE FIRM AND GET ALL OF THEM, FIND OUT WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS DOING.
IF YOU JUST CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT BY THAT TIME, MAYBE A ROW, AND I'LL HAVE A SKETCH OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, KNOWING AND SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET OUR SKETCH DONE AND SIT DOWN WITH MR. APRON, THAT GROUP, I MIGHT NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.
SINCE HE SAID THAT OF THOSE WHO JUST RAISED THEIR HAND, IF YOU OWN PROPERTY OR LIVE IN THAT CORRIDOR, ALSO RAISE YOUR HAND NOW.
WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERN.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I MEAN, HE WAS DRAWING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THOSE WHO OWN PROPERTY.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THE TOWN IS, IS, UH, FOR AN EXAMPLE, I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, HAVING TO DEFINE THINGS, EXACTLY, I THINK OBSCENITY, EVEN THE SUPREME COURT FINALLY GAVE UP AND BASED IT ON COMMUNITY STANDARDS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THAT WE LIVE IN A COMMUNITY AND YOU ASK THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY AND DON'T LIVE IN THE CAR AND ARE AFFECTED BY THE CAR.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE GUY THAT HAS THE PROPERTY, HE'S GOT A REAL CONCERN BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT THE ACTUAL PARAMETERS ARE GOING TO BE PUT ON.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
I THINK SO, BUT I THINK THE BURDEN IS ONLY IS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND SINCE WE'RE THE ONES THAT'S GOING TO BE SHELTERING, THIS BURDEN, WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY BE PUTTING THE MONEY'S OUT THERE FOR WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ENJOY.
AND I THINK THAT IN THAT SITUATION, I THINK THAT'S GONE AND THAT WOULD HELP.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OF THE, ARE THESE FOLKS HERE THAT KNOW MORE THAN I, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GOING TO PUT UP ANYTHING THAT I'M NOT PROUD OF.
AND THAT'S, AND, AND I THINK BETWEEN THE INSPECTION DEPARTMENT IS OTHER THING, BUT I WOULD JUST GO BACK AGAIN AND JUST NO ONE SIDE AND JUST DO SOME MORE FACT-FINDING AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT THAT WILL BE PLEASED AND FAIR AND BOUGHT IT BEFORE WE GET IN THE SUN.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY LAND KNOWS ANYTHING.
BUT LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN, WE AS A BOARD AND I MEAN, THIS WAS SOLD TO MAKE SENSE, SOME KIND OF WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE SAY, BE IT LOOSELY WRITTEN, IS HE SAYING WE AS A BOARD EITHER WILL CARRY OUT WHAT WE THINK OUR INTENT IS, OR WE WILL NOT, WHETHER IT IS LOOSELY WRITTEN OR WRITTEN TO THE T.
SO THE POINT IS YOU'LL HAVE TO TRUST OUR JUDGMENT AND THE SENSE OF APPROVAL AND APPEAL THAT EXISTS.
WHETHER WE WOULD HAVE TURN AROUND AND WRITE ANOTHER ORDINANCE AND MAKE IT, MAKE IT ANSWERS AND FEET AND METERS LIKE HE'S TALKING ABOUT OR WHATEVER.
I FEEL LIKE THAT THE INTENT OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AND THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU'RE
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TRYING TO DO WILL AGREE.AND THAT'S WHY I KEPT PUSHING YOU ON ONE PARTICULAR ISSUE.
AND THAT WAS ON THAT METAL SIDE, BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE UP ON THE METAL SIDE, THEN I WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT YOU, YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT YOU WERE NOT GOING TO BUDGE FROM, THAT WE'RE GOING TO, WE MIGHT AS WELL APPROACH THAT PROBLEM TONIGHT.
IF YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
I'M HEARING, WHEN I HEAR AGAIN, DON'T TIE MY HAND TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WELL NOW I'M NOT GOING TO SAVE IT.
WON'T TIE YOUR HANDS, BUT MIGHT BE, MIGHT NOT GIVE YOU A WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING FOR LAUNCH HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST, BEFORE WE GET SOMETHING, IF WE CAN'T GET OUT OF, AND I DON'T, AND I'M NOT SO SURE ONCE WE GET PAST THAT, WE WON'T, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
OH, WE'VE CHANGED THEM SINCE I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE ON EVERYTHING FROM TAXI CABS TO, IT'S JUST ME, MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S EASIER TO PROCEED WITH CAUTION HERE.
I'M INTERESTED IN AND WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
ONE COMMENT AND THEN A PLAY PLAYING HERE.
THE COMMENT IS WE'VE BEEN ADMINISTERING QUARTER ORDINANCES FOR THE PAST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
OUR COURT ORDINANCES DO TEND TO BE MORE LENIENT THAN MOST IN STATE.
BUT I THINK IN LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD NO DENIALS, PEOPLE HAVE BUILT, WE WORKED THROUGH IT.
UH, IT'S AN EXCELLENT TRACK RECORD AND REALLY DOES NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL, UH, DISCUSSION AND STUDY WHAT THE GENTLEMEN NEEDS TO DO IS TO SIT DOWN WITH US AND WORK THROUGH THIS.
AND MY PLEA WOULD PAY SOME OF THE FOLKS HERE THAT WERE LEAVING, IF THEY COULD JUST HAVE SOME TIME TO SPEAK.
BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY LINEAR, YOU MEAN LINEAR OR A LOOSELY DRAWN, FLEXIBLE? THE, THE, THE STRENGTH OF THE STANDARDS ARE NOT AS HIGH AS WE FIND IT IN THE OTHER CITIES.
CAN WE HEAR FROM COME FORTH IF YOU WILLING ONCE
AND I THINK A LOT OF TIME AND THOUGHT HAS GONE INTO IT.
AND WHILE IT MAY NOT HAVE EVERY T DOTTED AND I DOUBT IT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE SOME STANDARDS LAID OUT.
AND I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY FOR THE MAN THAT WAS JUST SPEAKING TO DO WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO IF HE WILL WORK WITH THE COMMITTEE.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GO ON AND PASS THIS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WE'LL BE BUILDING OR THIS, THE ONES THAT ARE NEED TO WORK WITH THE COMMITTEE HAVE GOT SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE.
AND I THINK THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.
AND IT'S THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS ARE IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE INTO OUR COMMUNITY AND SEE THIS, WE WANT TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD.
AND I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH HOW MUCH THE COMMUNITY HAS CHANGED.
I WAS JUST FORTUNATE TO SEE A PRESENTATION BY SWISS THERE YESTERDAY.
AND EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS, I HAD FORGOTTEN HOW MUCH HAS CHANGED JUST IN THAT TIME.
WHAT'S BEEN DONE, AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME STANDARDS.
AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THIS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD? YES.
KIAN WIGGINS 12, 19 BROAD STREET CORNER FIRST AND ROLL.
I HAD A LOT OF STORM DAMAGE AND I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A NEW STEEL BUILDING AND THEN TAKE A POLE BUILDING THAT I'D LIKE TO PUT A BUILDING UP IDENTICAL TO WALL PREMIUMS AND PUT UP WITH EXCEPTION OF THE GLASS ON THE SIDE.
I DON'T WANT ANYTHING, BUT A WAREHOUSE BUILT MINE, MY PREVIOUS BUILDING.
AND IF THERE'S ALL THIS, AND THAT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE PUTTING A NICE LOOKING STEEL BUILDING BY AIR VERSUS REPAIRING A POLE WIELDING, WHICH NEEDS COME DOWN AND BE REPLACED.
BUT WE'RE TALKING TO PUT THE TYPE OF SIDING VERSUS A STEEL WHEEL.
AND WE'RE TALKING 30 TO $40,000 EXTRA, WHICH I CAN'T JUSTIFY FOR JUST A WIREHOUSE DAN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN I'M READY TO RETIRE SOMETHING, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU DON'T HAVE PAY AS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, NOT WANTS TO BUILD ON IT, BUT AS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, CAUSE THEY GOT TO TEAR
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ALL THAT OLD BUILDING OFF THE FRONT OF IT AND USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE.SO RATHER THAN SPEND 40 MORE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PUT IT GREAT LAW OR MODEL OR WHATEVER, I'D BE BETTER OFF TO GO BUY 20 TRAILERS AND USE THAT FOR STORAGE BECAUSE THAT'S ALL I NEED IS STORAGE.
AND THEN 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, I'D GO IN AND RUN A BUSINESS OR EITHER SELL THEM OFF.
AND I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT BUILDING AND I'VE NEVER RECRUITED MY MONEY.
SO I JUST, I CAN'T SEE WHAT THE CITY OPPOSES OR THE PLANNING BOARD OPPOSES A STEEL BUILDINGS, A METAPHOR.
I JUST CAN'T SEE WHAT BACKUP, WHERE I WANT TO BUILD IT.
AND IT'S GOING TO MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHETHER IT'S BRICK OR STEEP.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT MUCH UP ON THIS.
HIS BUILDING IS INCLUDED IN THE SEC.
SO USING TERMS LIKE BACK BEHIND WHERE THE SO-CALLED, CAUSE YOU SAID SOMETHING A WHILE AGO, ABOUT ONE SIDE, OH, THE GOALS, THE 200 FEET IT AFFECTS FOR WAIT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A FAT HATE ON IT, THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY TYPE OF BRICK OR WE'LL BE ABLE TO JUST LIKE RANDOM, NOT DONE.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AESTHETIC AESTHETICALLY PLEASING THOUGH.
I CAN SEE THEIR POINT IN THAT.
AND THE BILLING HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS ALREADY COVER OF THE BROAD STREET OR THE BUILDING HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
THE PROPERTY HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS ALREADY ON BOARD.
AND SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE TYPE OF SHE DIDN'T PUT ON THE BUILDING.
CAUSE HE'S ALREADY COVERED WALL STREET.
YOU SAID WE WOULD'VE, HADN'T REALLY REVOKED THAT ONE.
I HAVE A SUGGESTION SINCE THIS IS SOME CONTROVERSIAL AND IT SEEMS TO BE SO MANY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD TABLE THIS TONIGHT AND HAVE A WORK SESSION, A SPECIAL MEETING WHERE THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE SPECIAL CONCERNS CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
PEOPLE WHO GO INTO THERE, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND.
SO I BELIEVE ALL THIS IS INCLUDED IN THAT IT BE BENEFICIAL TO US AS A CITY, BUT THOSE OF THEM WHO LIVE OR HAVE PROPERTIES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR HAVE CONCERNS.
AND I THINK THAT IT'D BE BETTER.
CAN YOU SEE IF WE CAN EXPLAIN TO THEM, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT AND MAKE THEM FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE ABOUT NOT ONLY C CHANGING ANYTHING IN THE AUTO SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY CAN WORK AROUND THIS, AROUND WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS PROPOSING NECESSARILY, BUT IT DOES GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS INPUT IN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND CENSUS STUFF.
ANYTHING THAT WE MUST DO TO SOMETHING, UH, WE HAVE HAD OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, UH, THREE OTHER MEETINGS OR MORE, UH, PLANNING, ZONING BOARD.
WE HAVE SENT OUT ADVERTISEMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE EXPLAINED, UH, THE PROGRAM, UH, NANNY'S HOUSE.
UH, WE HAVE ALL WORD, UH, TO SOME GROUPS IN THE AREA THAT WE WOULD COME OUT AND HOLD MEETINGS TO DISCUSS IT.
THAT OFFER WAS REJECTED BY ROUTES.
THEY DID TALK TO US AND EXPLAINED TO THEIR GROUP.
UH, WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE REALLY GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE THREE DISCUSSIONS.
AND I THINK REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS DO WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF ORDINANCE, WHICH ONCE AGAIN IS VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF OUR OTHER CORNERS AND ADDRESS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, OR DO WE WAIT UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE IS BUILT AND PEOPLE SAY, OH MY GOSH, IT WAS 300 PAST.
THIS DOES WHAT THAT DOES IS WANT TO BE THERE FOR THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR.
I MAY ASK YOU SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP AND DISCUSS THE BUILDING PLANS THAT HE MIGHT HAVE NOT MR. WIGGINS MESS WITH BEILOCK I THINK.
WHO ELSE? AND MR. BYLAW, I MEAN, MR. WIGGINS IS ALREADY CURRENT, WOULD YOU SAY ONTO THE OTHER WAY ANYWAY, SO THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS ONE TONIGHT.
LET'S HEAR WHAT HE'S GOT TO SAY.
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OKAY.THERE ARE SOME MORE, UM, STAYING AT THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS ROY FALTER AND I OWN PROPERTY ON THE FIRST IN POETRY FOR THE OLD BRAND GLASS PLACE.
UH, UM, BEAUTY'S IN THE EYES OF THE WHOLE ROOM.
I, EVERY TIME I LOOKED AT MY OLD SCAM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE VERTICAL SIDE
WELL, I SEE A LOT OF NICE LOOKING METAL, METAL BUILDINGS.
THERE'S METAL BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
WHY IS IT THAT NEWMAN DON'T LIE? I'M LIKE MR. RAYMOND HERE IS SOMETHING PERSONAL IN THIS SITUATION HERE, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THERE IS, I'M NOT SURE IT WASN'T A CONSPIRACY TO MAKE US FEEL BETTER, MORE EXPENSIVE BUILDINGS.
SO TAX BASE WOULD BE MORE OR JUST CAUTIOUS 35, 40 50, AND MAKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO BUILD A BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW JUST WHAT THE DEAL IS.
I HADN'T GOTTEN THESE PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN HERE FOR ME.
WELL, UH, I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER THIS.
IS IT SOMETHING PERSONAL THAT THEY DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT OR MAYBE ONE PERSONAL WHITE MALE OR MAYBE YOU DON'T LIKE MEN? I DON'T KNOW BUT UH, I THINK THAT THE BOARD SHOULD LOOK AT THIS, THIS THING HERE ABOUT MATERIAL.
THERE'S SOME KIND OF FUNNY, UH, THE MATERIALS THAT ARE BEING USED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE FORTHCOMING BUILDINGS OR TO BE AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.
AND, UH, I HOPE YOU DO CONSIDER THAT.
AND I SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY, WOMAN, LIKE MAKE IT CLEAR WOMAN, OR YOU'LL HEAR FROM HER.
WHEN YOU GET FRANK CORP, I LIVE AT 12 FIVE PILOT STREET AND HAVE A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN.
UM, HOW THIS AREA LOOKS, DOES CONCERN AND AFFECT MORE THAN JUST THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND OWN BUSINESSES ON THIS QUARTER, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR TO GET TO MY BUSINESS.
AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE HOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND LEAVE.
MY GOD, WHEN YOU SPEAKING ABOUT METAL BUILDINGS, THESE OTHER TOWNS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT HAVE HARD ORDINANCES, HOW DO THEY ADDRESS METAL BUILDINGS? DID THEY ALLOW THEM OR, UM, WHAT I'VE SEEN, UH, AND THE OTHER COMMUNITIES IS THAT YOU DO HAVE DIFFERENT SHEETING MATERIALS.
NOW, THERE ALSO IS A DIFFERENCE.
I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MEMBERS OF THE METAL BUILDINGS INDUSTRY IN NORTH CAROLINA AND ALSO THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION AND FOLKS IN NORTH CAROLINA HAVE SAID, WELL, NUCLEAR GIVES US A BAD MONEY BECAUSE THE CORRUGATED METAL BUILDINGS YOU SEE DOWN, THERE ARE JUST THE BASIC CORE AID, VERTICAL SHEETS, METAL BUILDINGS CAN BE DESIGNED SO THAT THEY ARE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE GETTING IN NEWER.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
AND WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE METAL BUILDINGS, FOLKS ABOUT HAVING FURTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT MAYBE AT SOME POINT WOULD ALLOW WITH CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL, UH, UH, CONCERNS, GETTING METAL, YOU KNOW, BACK IN, IN, IN, INTO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE AREAS, BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE SEE OUT HERE FOR THE MOST PART, THE CORRUGATED IS PRETTY MUCH A BOTTOM LINE AND IT HAS A WAREHOUSE, PARENT SIZZLE, EXCUSE ME.
AND, UH, SO, UH, THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITIES, IF YOU GO TO UC DIFFERENT, UH, STYLES AND SO FORTH, THAT CAN BE QUITE ATTRACTIVE.
ALL RIGHT, LET ME, LET ME ASK WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
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IN BUILDINGS OF SIMILAR DESIGN TO THE ONES IN NEWBURN COMMA, HOW MANY OF THESE OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE CARD ORDINANCES EXCLUDE THOSE AS YOU WERE ATTEMPTING TO LEAVE AWAY THE ODD MAN OUT, OR WE JUST LIKE ALL THE REST ARE WE HALF AND HALF WITH THEM? HOW DO WE FIT WITH THESE OTHER FOLKS? I ASKED YOU LAST TIME, HOW DO WE COMPARE IT TO OTHER CITIES? RIGHT? THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE WAS NOT LOOKED AT PER SE.WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT OTHER QUARTER STANDARDS AND SAID, I DO ORDINANCES, COVER SHIPPING MATERIALS, MANY ORDINANCES COVERED SHEETING MATERIALS.
THERE WERE SOME ORDINANCES THAT MANDATED THAT BUILDING TO BE BRICK.
WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE TRY TO GET A RANGE OF MATERIALS.
AND I GUESS THE, ONE OF THE FRUSTRATIONS WE HAVE IS THAT WE SEEM TO BE DEAD SET ON ONE PARTICULAR SHEETING ELEMENT.
IF YOU READ THAT ORDINANCE, WE PROVIDE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT ARE POSSIBILITIES HERE.
AND WE SEEM TO BE FIXATED ON ONE PARTICULAR MATERIAL, WHICH WE ARE SAYING IS EXCLUDED, BUT LET ME, BUT LET ME SAY SOMETHING.
I THINK THE REASON THAT THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE BATTLE BUILDING OR THE SHEATHING THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MUCH CHEAPER, RIGHT? LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WHERE SOMEBODY HAS SAY 30 OR $40,000.
I GENERALLY GET SOMEBODY'S ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE THE ONE BUILDING THE BUILDING.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS AS A, AN ARGUMENT AGAINST, OR, OR AS SUPPORT FOR THIS ORDINANCE, IF WE CAN SAY OF THIS BEHOLD, HER, WHICH IS US.
SO IT'S SO DIFFERENT THAN WHY IS THAT? WHY DOES OUR ORDINANCE LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE? AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, ARE WE THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE EXCLUDING THESE BUILDINGS OR ALL THE OTHER ONES EXCLUDE THEM? HALF OF THEM, A THIRD OF THEM, WHATEVER THAT GIVES ME A BETTER CHECK, SAY, I'M ONE OF THESE PEOPLE THAT LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CALLED ART.
AND THEN I KIND OF ACT LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE THREE BYRON MAN, THE ELEPHANT OR WHATEVER.
AND I WALK AWAY AND WONDER WHAT IT WAS.
AND SO I LIKED TO KNOW THAT OTHERS HAVE APPROVED IT AND SAID, IT LOOKS LIKE IT OR WHATEVER.
SO, UH, I'D JUST LIKE YOU TO FIND OUT HOW WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER CITIES, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARTICLE CITY OF KAREN, I THINK THE COUPLE OF FEW SUNDAYS BACK, UH, THEY ARE LIGHT YEARS OUT THERE BEYOND WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING.
I MEAN GET, BUT ONCE AGAIN, IN ONE THING THAT COLOR IN REAL ESTATE IS THE ORANGE FACTOR MARKETS OF THE HOTTER MARKETS.
THAT'S WHERE THE INVESTMENT IS MADE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE.
WE WANT TO INCREASE OUR TAX BASE AND NOT DO THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, WOULD NOT HAVE THAT POSITIVE DIRECTION.
WELL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO CARE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BECOME KERRY THAT'S RIGHT.
ALL I'M SAYING IS ONCE IN A WHILE, WHEN SOME OF US GOOD OLD BOYS TRY TO TAKE THIS QUANTUM LEAP INTO THE, INTO THE NEXT STEP, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS A SANITY CHECK EXACTLY HOW WE COMPARE TO SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WAS JUST AS THE T-SHIRT SAYS, BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT.
AND WHEN YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT FOR ME, THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY WAY OF JUDGING WHETHER THIS MAKES ANY SENSE OR NOT.
I THINK WHAT YOU TO FIND, AS I SAID EARLIER, ARE MUCH STRICTER, STANDING ERRORS BY DESIGN, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT CAN I ASK YOU WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND I DON'T FIND IT, THAT YOU ALL FIND IT, GO BACK AND LOOK, AND JUST ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTION OF HOW METAL BUILDINGS, WHICH THESE PEOPLE KEEP EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT.
ARE THEY ACCEPTED OR ARE THEY NOT? AND THESE OTHER CITIES, AND IF THEY'RE NOT, THAT SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE WE'VE ANSWERED SOME OF THE OTHER GUYS QUESTIONS ABOUT IS SOMETHING PERSONAL OR IS IT, I DON'T THINK ANY OF IT'S PERSONAL, BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES US A SANITY CHECK AGAINST THE OTHER PEOPLE AS TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND LESS THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION, MIKE, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVISION NUMBER SEVEN IN THERE? OKAY.
I SWEAR YOU LEAVE THIS METAL ASPECT ON THE HERE.
LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THE METAL WHILE WE'RE ON IT.
WE'LL GET IT CLEARED UP IN MY MIND.
IT SAYS THOSE PORTIONS OF BUILDINGS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET RIGHT AWAY.
UH, IF THE, IF THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT CLOSE TOGETHER, THAT MEANS YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
DOES THAT MEAN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING ALSO ARE FROM THE STREET OF WHITES RIGHT AWAY.
ARE YOU SAYING JUST THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? AND, UH, THAT'S AN ITEM TO THOSE PORTIONS OF BUILDINGS, VISIBLE PROPER STREET GLIDER RIGHT AWAY SHALL BE SHAVED THEN, ET CETERA, IT WOULDN'T BE THE SIDES THAT ON PHYSICAL.
SO IT COULDN'T PUT THE SIZE IN THE BUILD PROGRAM.
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THAT'S WHAT I SUGGESTED FOR THE OF TIME.THE ISSUE IS VERY CONTROVERSIAL AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK HERE.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU, JESS, THAT WE TABLED TONIGHT AND AVERAGE ON THAT WORKS ON UPWORK SESSION.
AND WE CAN TAKE EACH OF THESE SUGGESTIONS OR THESE PROPOSALS AND EXAMINE THEM AS TO KNOW, SO WE CAN FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT WHAT, AND THEN A MOTION.
THESE, THESE ARE NOT THESE ARE STANDARDS THAT ARE NOT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU'VE APPROVED.
AND THEN FOR 400, NO DOUBT THAT SWEETHEART, I BELIEVE IT'S 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND WE HAVE BEAT THIS TO DEATH.
AND IT SEEMS THAT IT'S STILL A DRAW.
THERE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE CONCERNS AND WE HAVE INTERESTED HERE ARE THEIR CONCERNS AND CONSUMING THEM.
AND I THINK THAT IF WE HAD TIME TO SIT DOWN AND DEAL WITH THIS AND JUSTICE, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO BETTER ABLE TO DETERMINE IT.
AND THAT'S JUST EXTRA BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION.
THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE LOOKING AT BUILDING A BILL.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT IT, UH, BASICALLY WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD AND WE ARE ASKING FOR IS A STANDARD THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN ENFORCING FOR THE LAST FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
LET'S GET IT IN PLACE AND PROTECT THIS CORE.
IF YOU WANT TO FINE TUNE IT AROUND THE EDGES, TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT.
WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND DO THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HATE TO SEE THE QUARTER GO UNPROTECTED WHILE WORK SESSIONS AND LIGHTER MEETINGS AND SO FORTH, GO ON.
AND THEN BEFORE WE KNOW IT, A BUILDING PERMIT IS IN NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
AND YOU KNOW, AFTER A WHILE, IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT WHY I DO IT ANYMORE, BECAUSE THE AREA'S BEEN SO DILUTED.
WELL JUST WONDERING ANOTHER QUESTION THAT ROBERT ASKED BEFORE, HOW MANY VACANT, LOTS OF ALL THAT FIELD, 10 BUILDINGS BETWEEN NOW AND MONDAY NOW, MONDAY.
WELL, UH, UH,
NOW, THE SIDING STANDARD PROPERTY HERE THAT, UH, THE, UH, IS, IS PLANNING TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, AND PRIMARILY THOSE, WELL LET'S, LET'S SAY IT ANOTHER ONE THAT BARBARA SUPPOSE WE PASSED THE ORDINANCE TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT LATER WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED THEM TO DO WITH THE INTENTION THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO PERHAPS ALLOW THEM TO DO SOMETHING.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE AGREED THAT THEY DO.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO SOMEBODY? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THE WORD IN ANY WAY WE CAN PASS IT.
ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS I WOULD HATE FOR SOMEBODY TO INTENTIONALLY BEAT US, JUMPED THE GUN.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MR. BILL.
SOMETHING THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED DONE ABOUT EVERYBODY'S CONCURRENCE A WEEK OR TWO FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY HAS DONE IT TO BE EASY TO STOP IT BY PASSING YEAH.
WE'RE SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE HERE.
LOOK, YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT WAREHOUSE INSIDE A FENCE INSIDE THE FENCE.
WELL, WE CAN LET THEM ALL SPEAK FOR IT, BUT I THINK THE, UH, SLOGAN, I ACTUALLY, THE LADY WITH GREEN COAT AND FRANK CORE.
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WE'LL WAIT, IT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING.AND NOT LETTING ALL THE ONES THAT SMART COME FOR US.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD WE AT LEAST TIME? SO WHAT I SAY VERY FAST, ALL RIGHT.
I WROTE YOU SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, SUPPORT THE CAR.
I THINK THE CARD IS DRIPPING IDEA.
WE TRAVEL ALL OVER THE SOUTHEAST, UH, HAGERSTOWN, MARYLAND DOWN TO FLORIDA ACROSS THE LOUISIANA, TENNESSEE.
THIS IS WHAT WE DO ALL THE TIME.
I SEE AREAS CONSTANTLY THAT HAVE HAD PLANS AND CONSTANTLY ASKING YOUR AUNTIE YOU THAT THE AREAS THAT HAVE PLANS ARE BUSY, BUSY, BUSY, IT HAS NOT CUT DOWN ON THEIR BUSINESS.
ANY IT'S MADE THEM MUCH MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
THEIR TOURIST TRADE IS TERRIFIC.
WHEN YOU GO INTO THESE PLACES THAT HAVE PLANNED COMMUNITIES AND HAVE PLANNED PLANTINGS AND TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GET A LITTLE SPOT OF PARADOX WHEN YOU GO PLACES WHERE IT'S HODGEPODGE AND EVERYTHING'S JUST GOING TO THAT'S HOW YOU FEEL COULDN'T BE USED.
I KNOW THE POINT THAT I LIKE TO BRING UP IS THAT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GOT IN THE EARLY PART OF THE MEETING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND FLOODING AND STUFF, IT WAS ALL A LOT OF MISSED CALLS.
THE CONCRETE, THE ASPHALT WAS MIDDLE OUT THE BERLIN BERLIN, RIGHT? AND THE TREES HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN PLANETS WHERE YOU'VE GOT TREES AND PLANTS.
I CAN PICK UP SOME OF THAT MOISTURE, BUT THEY MIGHT KEEP IT FROM GOING SO FAST AND BEING SO HARD AND DO MORE OF THIS.
NOT LESS THAN THIS PLAYING HAS GOT A TERRIFIC PLAN.
I THINK MINUTE, COMMON SENSE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE FOR PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IF PEOPLE COME IN, SIT DOWN AND SAY HOW A SCIENCE PROBLEM.
I LIKE TO STAY IN YOUR STANDARD, BUT I WANT TO DO THIS.
I, THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME OTHER THAT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY, AND WE KNOW WE HAD A LARGE CRY, A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WERE FOUR.
AND I THINK WE PROBABLY HEARD EVERYBODY THAT WAS AGAINST.
WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD OF, UH, MY ONLY THING IS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MS. LISA WOULD MAKE THE MOTION IS TWO THINGS.
THERE ARE SOME STANDARDS ALREADY IN PLACE FOR THE CARTERS THAT HAVE NOT YET STOPPED ANYONE FROM BUILDING A BUILDING OR HAVING WHAT THEY WANT.
THE SECOND THING IS NO ONE, LIKE I SAID, HAS BEEN TURNED DOWN AND AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S STILL OUT, STILL ALLOW THE CITY TO HAVE A STANDARD IN PLACE.
AND I DON'T SEE WHERE WE'VE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE JUST WALKED UP HERE AND TOLD THESE FOLKS, NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT.
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WORKS WITH WORK.
WE'LL WORK WITH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE'VE WHERE WE ARE.
I MEAN, WE'RE, TO ME, IT LOOKED LIKE WE JUST SIT HERE, BEATING THIS THING DOWN.
WHEREAS IN THE PAST, WE HAVEN'T HAD SUCH A PROBLEM THAT WE'VE GOT AN OUTCRY.
LIKE WE GOT TONIGHT, HAVE WE HAD A PROBLEM PLANNING? DON'T HAVE WE HAD A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, A REAL PROBLEM THAT WE CAN HANDLE A WORK WITH.
AND THAT TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WE JUST GONE ALL OUT.
IT JUST, I MEAN, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'VE PUT INTO THIS IS SOME SIMPLE THINGS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO PROBABLY ELIMINATE IT.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF I'M WRONG OR WRONG, I'LL LET TO MAKE A MOTION.
WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, HERE.
WELL, THAT FELLOW WANTED TO SPEAK, COME ON, COME ON AT ME AND SAY, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO LEAVE HERE.
AND I'M ALSO THE FIRST AND POLISH STREET.
MY, I DON'T HAVE ANY REAL OBJECTIONS AS FAR AS ANYTHING.
THE PROBLEM I DO HAVE IS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO CHANGE THE, THE, THE LOOP IN TIMES OF, OF, OF THE, OF THESE INTERTWINE IS COMING IN AND WE CAN USE BOTTOM SIDE AND, AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND THE PROBLEM THAT I DO HAVE IS THAT WHEN I RIDE BY THESE BEAUTIES, THAT EVERYBODY SAID, I RUN BY CARQUEST, WHICH IS RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM THERE, YOU'RE BUILDING A BUILDING, THEY'VE GOT HOMICIDE.
I CAME TO THAT AND CORRUGATED MET, BUT I BET YOU, THE OWNER CAN TELL THERE'S $40,000 DIFFERENCE THERE.
AND, UH, THE APPLIANCE PLUGS UP THERE AND THEY BUILD A WIREHOUSE.
AND IF THEY BOUGHT THEM SIDE, BUT YOU CAN'T TELL IT IN COORDINATED MAIL, WHEN YOU'RE RIDING VIOLENCE, YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE, BUT THE PERSON THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY LIKE MYSELF, THEY CAN FEEL IT.
THEY CAN FEEL THE EXPANSIVE THAT, AND
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THEN I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IT.AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEING FAIR TO, TO ME OR TO ANYONE ELSE THAT OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR PROFIT
WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A BUILDING THERE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE ADDING THE EXPERIENCE THERE OF, OF 30 OR $40,000 LAYER OF, OF, OF SOMETHING THAT'S $40,000 COST DIFFERENT FOR METAL, THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND WHEN YOU RUN ABOUT, AND YOU CALL, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO KEVIN ERICKSON, OR I HADN'T SO FAR WITH THE CARQUEST, KNEW ALL OF THE, UH, PAUL LICENSE, BUILDING HEAT.
I'M GOING TO STOP SLAMMING ON BRAKES AND LOOK AT THOSE.
I WAS GOING TO CALL BRITAIN AND WONDER WHY YOU FEEL BETTER.
AND I'M THE AWKWARD TO SLAM ON BRAKES TO LOOK TO SEE.
AND I HAD TO GO UP THERE AND LOOK AT THE CITY.
SO, UH, INFLUENCE COMMERCIAL, BUILD THAT BUILDING.
SO I CALLED CHARLES, I SAID, CHARLES, ON THAT SMALL BUILDING
SO I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT CONSIDERATION, UH, TONIGHT OR WHENEVER Y'ALL DO THAT, IS IT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S BEING FAIR.
AND WE WOULD LIKE, JUST AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE HERE IS LEGS STOOD UP.
I THINK YOUR FIRST STREET NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY.
AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT SOMEBODY CAN AFFORD IT.
NOBODY'S TRYING TO MAKE THIS PLACE LOOK BAD.
I'M NOT, IT LOOKS BAD ENOUGH THAT ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S BEING DONE, IT WOULD BE A GROCERY APPRECIATING.
SO I REALLY WISH THAT Y'ALL WOULD TAKE ANY CONSIDERATION.
IT MAY BE ROBBED BY, AND YOU LOOK AT THESE REVIEWS, THAT'S DONE WITH BONDS AND TIGHTENING CONSIDERATION WITH THE CALLS BECAUSE IT'S COMING OUT OF OUR POCKETS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST, I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR Y'ALL DO THAT.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME, JACK.
I LIVE AT 6 0 9 PREGNANT STREET FOR OVER 35 YEARS.
I'VE WATCHED COMMUNITIES DESTROY THEMSELVES AND THEN SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TRYING TO RECOVER.
HAVING WORKED FOR MANY OF THESE COMMUNITIES AS A PLANNING CONSULTANT, I HAVE SEEN THIS PATTERN OVER AND OVER NEW BERN IS NOW AT THAT CROSSROAD.
NEWBURN HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME ONE OF THE FINEST CITIES IN NORTH CAROLINA AND PERHAPS ONE OF THE FINEST CITIES AND EAST, BUT IT CAN ONLY HAPPEN IF WE BEGIN TO PROTECT THE CITY'S RESOURCES.
NOW, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IMPROVING THE VISUAL QUALITY OF NEWBORN IS NOT FOR AESTHETIC REASONS ALL THE WAY, BUT FOR ECONOMIC STABILITY BUSINESS HAS INVESTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE DOWNTOWN, AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT.
MORE INVESTMENT MEANS INCREASED TAX REVENUE FROM AN AREA ALREADY DEVELOPED.
IT MEANS MORE JOBS WITHOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF MORE LAYMEN, BUT THIS INVESTMENT CANNOT HAPPEN UNLESS THERE IS SUPPORT FROM THE CITY APPROPRIATE ACCESS TO THIS AREA IS CRITICAL TO THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN AND NEWBURN AS A WHOLE THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THE CORRIDOR UNDER DISCUSSION WILL BE THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO NEW BERN'S DOWNTOWN AREA.
WE MUST BEGIN NOW TO MAKE THIS INFERENCE OF QUALITY EXPERIENCE ESTABLISHMENT OF THIS AREA.
AS AN OVERLAY CORRIDOR IS VITAL TO THE PROCESS.
THE DESIGN OF THIS CORRIDOR SHOULD INVOLVE PROPERTY OWNERS, CITY REPRESENTATIVES, AND THE NORTH CAROLINA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
CURRENTLY, THERE'S BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
THERE IS NO PLAN WHATSOEVER FOR ENTRANCE CORRIDOR THIS ENTRANCE FOR, AND THAT IS A THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR A FUTURE.
ANOTHER ENTRANCE WAYS TO NEW BERN ARE IMPORTANT TO ALL RESIDENTS OF NEW BURNER DEVELOPMENT.
ALONG THESE ROADS IS IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL ECONOMIC WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
NEW BERN DOES NOT HAVE TO LOOK LIKE HAVE LOCKED KINSTON GREENVILLE, JACKSONVILLE, OR THE HUNDREDS OF OTHER LOOKALIKE CITIES.
THE DOWNTOWN AREA WILL NOT PROGRESS.
AND THE CITY OF NEWBURN WILL LOSE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
IF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES ARE NOT TREATED AS AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE, I HAVE DISTRIBUTED A FEW REPRINTS OF ARTICLES
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ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF FOREIGNERS.I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD PLEASE CONSIDER THE POINTS MADE BY PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCED IN THESE MATTERS.
THINK ABOUT THE STATEMENT OF CHARLES FRAZIER DEVELOPER OF SEAT PIPES AT HILTON HEAD.
AND I QUOTE EVERY INTERSTATE INTERCHANGE IN EVERY CITY.
IT LOOKS THE SAME, THE SAME VISUAL CLUTTER.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE SOUTH HAVING TO COMPETE FOR TOURISM, I CRINGE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO PLACES THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE, NOT A WHILE.
IT SEEMS OBVIOUS THAT PEOPLE WILL GO TO PLACES THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE.
IT IS A CONCEPT THAT IS ALL TOO OFTEN IGNORED.
THIS FACT SHOULD BE A BASIC TENANT OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PHILOSOPHY.
CHARLES FRAZIER, JAMES ROUSE, AND OTHER RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPERS DID NOT BUILD A TRACK TEAM IN THE SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY WERE ALTRUISTIC.
THEY DID IT FOR A PROFIT AND THEY DID IT WITH A SPORT FROM LOCAL.
I RECENTLY ATTENDED A MEETING OF LAND PLANNERS FROM NORTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA, AND SOUTH CAROLINA.
AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU MOST OF THE FELLOWS AND MOST OF THE CITY, PARTICULARLY THOSE CITIES, WHICH ARE MOVING FORWARD ARE FAR MORE STRINGENT THAN THESE PO'S THAT WE HAVE.
THE CITY PEOPLE EXPECT ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT IN DOWNTOWN.
THAT BETTER BE A REASONABLE WAY TO GET THERE.
AND CURRENTLY IT DOESN'T EXIST.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WOULD BE THE AUTHORITY ON THIS OR WHETHER IT JUST BE AN OPINION OR WHETHER IT'S OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN CAR, THIS HAS COME UP IS, IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE METAL BUILDING SEEMS TO BE THE HOTTEST SORE SPOT.
THERE IS ABOUT THE WHOLE WORKS.
AND IF IT'S TRUE, WHAT HE SAID, AND I'M SURE IT WAS TRUE TO HIS EYESIGHT, THAT THE VINYL SIDING THAT HE SAW LIVED THE SATCHEL, HE LIKED THE METAL SIDING.
AND THEN IF A PAIR ENOUGH TO PARENTS IS ESSENTIALLY EQUAL.
AND IF IT'S THAT BAD OF A SOLO SPOT, WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THE METAL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? AND NOT THAT THAT'S.