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PRIOR BY REVEREND DAVID THOMPSON, BRUCE, BRUCE CHAPEL, ALL THE WAY.

THANK YOU TONIGHT FOR ALL THE MANY THINGS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO US, WE KNOW THAT EVERY GOOD GIFT IS FROM ABOVE, FROM THE FATHER OF LIGHTS.

IF I FOLLOW THAT, YOU WILL BE WITH OUR NATION.

AND I BEAR LISTS TIMES THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN.

WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE WITH, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE VIRGINIA AREA, AS THEY SEARCH FOR THE ONE WHO IS DOING ALL OF THE KILLING.

IF I FOLLOW THAT, YOU WILL FORGIVE US OF OUR SINS AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO SIN AGAINST US.

THANK YOU FOR THESE GOVERNING OFFICIALS WHO WE HAVE MET HERE TONIGHT TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY OF NEWBURGH.

AND I PRAY LORD THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM AS THEY SEEK TO LEAD.

THIS CITY WOULD PROBABLY BE WHAT YOU WOULD GIVE US WISDOM IN OUR DAILY LIVES.

WE RELY UPON YOU AND OUR FACES.

LOOK TO YOU IN JESUS NAME.

WE PRAY UH, MR. THOMPSON.

ANYWAY, I WENT TO, I'VE BEEN TO THE SCHOOL CHAPEL THREE TIMES AND THEY RUN UP A GREAT SCHOOL.

I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE STUDENTS AND THE SCHOOL AND THE WHOLE WHOLE WORK.

SO THE COMMAND TELL ROLE, PLEASE, MAN, YOU'RE HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

FIRST THING WE HAVE IS A REPORT ON THE BUM FAST.

HERE'S THE REPORT.

HE, OH, THIS IS, AH, HONESTLY WHAT HAPPENED HERE TONIGHT IS LIKE A REPORT ON A MONTH BEFORE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, SUSAN'S OUT OF TOWN, SHE'S ENJOYING HERSELF IN ENGLAND.

AT THIS TIME, I COME TO THE MORNING THING ELSE TO GIVE YOU MY OWN FEELING.

PLUS I THINK THE FEELINGS OF THE PEOPLE WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WAS SWISS BEAR.

I SOLD T-SHIRTS AGAIN THIS YEAR, WHICH I ALWAYS ENJOY DOING.

AND WE DO THERE.

AND I GOT TO SEE A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE PART OF THIS MONTH.

IT'S GOT TO SEE THE CITY WORKERS, FIREMEN, POLICEMEN, THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL FOLKS, AND YOU SEE WHERE THEY HAVE TAKEN THIS, THIS MONTH FEST TO THEMSELVES.

THEY'RE PROUD OF IT.

AND AS YOU TALK WITH THEM AND, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU REALIZE THIS, THE SENSE OF PRIZES IT'S THE SENSE OF ESPRIT IS AS A SPIRIT THERE.

AND IT MADE ME FEEL GOOD, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD FEELING.

IT'S WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE GOT HERE.

AND, UH, WE WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE FOLKS FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND WHAT THEY DO ON THE SANK, ESPECIALLY DANNY, HE'S OUR CAN-DO DANNY.

AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

AND IF HE CAN'T DO IT, HE'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD REASON WHY I CAN'T, OR HE WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT COOLEY.

BUT, UH, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, WHAT I WANT TO ADDRESS IS THE LEADERSHIP AS ALDERMAN, THE MAYOR AND ALDERMEN HERE IS THAT THIS IS A VISION THAT WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE WITHOUT SUPPORT THAT Y'ALL GIVE THIS.

AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY REALIZED HERE IN THE CITY OF NEWBURGH AND THE CRAVEN CANNON OF THE TYPE OF SUPPORT THAT Y'ALL DO PROVIDE.

I KNOW BECAUSE I'M PART OF SWISS BEAR THAT I AM PART OF.

AND I WANT TO GENUINELY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMETHING THIS GOOD IN OUR CITY, IN OUR COUNTY THAT WE GOT HERE.

IF ANYBODY THAT'S NOT PROUD OF IT, THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE.

AND THAT MAY SOUND CURT AND CROSS, BUT IT'S NOT.

I JUST MEAN THIS IS SOMEBODY VERY PROUD OF, AND I WISH YOU AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL DO TO SUPPORT THIS OR REPORT ON A MONTH FAST, WE'LL BE FORTHCOMING.

I THINK IT WAS OUTSTANDING.

AND I THINK OF IT AND I THINK EVERYBODY ENJOYED YOUR CAR DISPLAY ALSO, MAN, DID IT GET, DID IT GETS SCRATCHED? NOTHING GOT SCRATCHED THE WHOLE, NO, I APPRECIATED IT.

THEN IT WAS A GREAT, UH, GATHERING.

I ENJOY SEEING EVERYBODY COME THERE AND SAY, IF I HAD ONE, ONE FELLA, I LIKE MY ENGLISH ACCENT.

TELL ME HE WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED WHEN HE HEARD ABOUT IT.

AND HE SAY, CAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS HAD

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SOMETHING TO DO WITH MOM'S DAY MOTHER'S DAY.

HE SAID, IT'S NOT A GREAT THING.

Y'ALL HIM FOR YOUR MOM'S DAY T-SHIRTS SO I JUST TOOK THE COP, WENT ON.

I USED, STILL CAN BE USED PROBABLY WHEREVER.

WELL, THIS IS ALL I HAD TO SAY IS JUST SHORT AND SWEET, BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE LEADERSHIP AND THANK YOU FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DID THIS AND MAKE IT WHAT IT IS.

THANK YOU.

AND YOU DO A GREAT JOB AND WE APPRECIATE THE VOLUNTEERS, THE PEOPLE THAT SERVE ALL SWISS BEAR AND ALL THE OTHER, UH, GROUPS THAT DID REALLY DO A LOT OF THE WORK.

AND I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE WORK, AND THEN I GET CARELESS AND SAY ALL THE WORK DEALT WITH TRUTH AROUND HERE, BUT REALLY, YES, IT'S A SYMBIOTIC THING.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S DO A REPORT BY THE CITY, THE EVENING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

HE, UM, NEWBURN WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED A TOTAL OF 112 MILLION GALLONS OF WASTEWATER.

UH, DURING THE LAST MONTH, THE, UH, AVERAGE DAILY FLOW IS 3.73 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, WITH A MAXIMUM DAILY FLOW OF 4.71 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.

WE WEREN'T IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR SPECIAL ORDER OF CONSENT FOR THAT PLANT, THE STATELY PONDS WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UM, TREATED A TOTAL OF 409,000 GALLONS OF WASTEWATER AVERAGE DAILY FLOW WAS 14,000 GALLONS PER DAY.

AND THE MAXIMUM WAS 55,000 GALLONS IN ANY ONE DAY.

UM, WE WERE AT TWO MILLIGRAMS PER LITER FOR BIOLOGICAL OXYGEN DEMAND AND ONE MILLIGRAM PER LITER FOR SUSPENDED SOLIDS.

THE TRENT ROVER WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TREATED A TOTAL OF 579,000 GALLONS WITH AVERAGE DAILY FLOW OF 19,000 GALLONS.

AND MAX DAY WAS 34,000 GALLONS AND IT WAS AT TWO MILLIGRAMS PER LITER FOR VOD AND TWO MILLIGRAMS PER LITER FOR SUSPENDED SOLIDS.

ALL THE PLANTS WERE IN COMPLIANCE.

OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS, UM, A LITTLE BETTER THAN 80% COMPLETE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'VE, UH, POURED A LITTLE BETTER THAN 11,000 YARDS OF CONCRETE.

UH, THEY ARE BACKFILLING ALL OF THOSE LARGE VESSELS THAT HAD HOLES AROUND THEM.

UH, THE BASES ARE BEING FILLED IN AROUND.

UH, MOST OF THE MAJOR STRUCTURES ARE COMPLETE.

UH, THE CLARIFIERS EVEN HAVE, UM, MOST OF THEIR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IN THEM.

AND, UH, WE'RE EXPECTING A COMPLETION DATE SOMETIME THE MIDDLE OF, UH, JANUARY TO THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I'LL BE GLAD TO ENTERTAIN THOSE.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE HAZARD MITIGATION REPORT.

GOOD EVENING, MR. BARNETT IS, UH, OTHERWISE UNDER APPLICATIONS TONIGHT.

HE'S, UH, PREPARING, UH, FOR SUBMISSION TO THE STATE, BUT I ASKED THAT I, UH, GO OVER THE UPDATE WITH YOU.

YOU HAVE A COPY IN FRONT OF YOU.

UH, THREE UNITS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

UH, WE HAVE FOUR MORE READY TO PROCEED.

UH, WE HAVE ABOUT THREE MORE THAT HAVE VARIOUS ISSUES WITH OWNERSHIP AND THE OWNERS TAKING ADDITIONAL ACTIONS PRIOR TO THE ELEVATIONS, UH, BEING READY.

WE HAVE, UH, TWO UNIT THE LAST TWO UNITS, UH, READY TO BID AND TWO OTHERS THAT NEEDED TO BE REBID BECAUSE OF CHANGE IN, UM, UH, SPECIFICATIONS, UH, OUR ACQUISITIONS, UH, THERE ARE TWO WHERE THE OFFERS ARE CURRENTLY BEING PROCESSED.

THE OWNERS ARE CONSIDERING THOSE AND TWO FINAL ONES YET TO MAKE THE OFFER.

THOSE SHOULD BE GOING OUT BEFORE THE END OF THIS MONTH.

UH, THE CITY MANAGER APPROVED, UH, THREE DEMOLITIONS TODAY AND WE ANTICIPATE ANOTHER THREE TO SIX DEMOLITIONS.

THESE ARE THE UNITS WE PURCHASED, UH, BY THE END OF THE MONTH.

SO, UH, WE'RE MOVING DOWN, UH, AND FOCUSING ON THE FINAL ONES.

AND AT THIS POINT WE DO HAVE, UM, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT SPRING, UH, LATE SPRING OF NEXT YEAR.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE EVERYTHING COMPLETED.

THE DRI FUNDS, I THINK HAVE LIKE A JUNE 30TH DEADLINE.

SO WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THOSE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE END.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

I WOULD ASK YOU WHERE THAT REPORT IS.

YOU SAID IT WAS IN FRONT OF THAT'S ANOTHER DAY.

IT'S NOT UP HERE.

I SEE HERE THAT LETTER ABATEMENT REPORT.

OH, THERE'S

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NO MORE LITTER IN NEWBURGH.

WE DON'T HAVE LIGHTNING RODS ON THE BUILDING.

ACTUALLY, WE'VE HAD 15, WE'VE HAD 15 LITTER, UH, INCIDENTS.

UH, SEVEN WARNINGS IS FOUR INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND FOUR CHARGES WERE MADE AGAINST INDIVIDUALS FOR LITTERING DURING THIS REPORTING PERIOD.

ONE THING FELLA ASKED ME A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, WHY WE DIDN'T REQUIRE PEOPLE THAT WERE MORE HAULING COTTON HAVING A LOAD COVERED.

AND I SAID, I DON'T.

AND I SAID, WHY DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT? OR SOME, THE GUY ANSWERED UP AT ALL.

I THINK THEY DON'T HAVE TO CAUSE IT'S BIODEGRADABLE OR WHATEVER.

AND I THOUGHT, WELL, REALLY? I SAID, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY THINK AS MUCH OF A QUESTION FOR US CAUSE WE'RE IN THE CITY.

AND I DON'T KNOW OF A PROBLEM WITH SANDY'S.

HE TOLD ME THAT, OF COURSE MY EYES ARE GETTING A LITTLE FUZZY AND I'LL ADMIT IT.

I WROTE AND SEVENTIES TODAY, DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.

AND, UH, I HAD SOME, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW HAD SOME BUSINESS HERE.

HE WORKS FOR ESPN AND THEY WERE HERE WITH ESPN AND I SAID, AH, YES, WE HAVE THIS GREAT LETTER.

AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

IT LOOKED LIKE SOMEBODY DUMPS OFF AND IT'S COTTON IT'S NO, SIR.

SO EARLY, EARLY, EARLY WINTER THIS YEAR.

NAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.

I'VE SEEN, I'VE NOTICED IT IN THE CITY, BUT I HAVE SEEN IT ALONG SOME OF THE ROADS WHERE THE COTTON JUST KIND OF BLOWS OUT OF THOSE TRUCKS.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S AN ISSUE OF THE COVERS OR JUST THE WAY THE TRAILERS ARE CONSTRUCTED BECAUSE THEY'RE OPEN SIDED IN THAT FIBER STUFF JUST KIND OF COMES OUT AND BACK THEN EITHER HE KNOWS THE ANSWER.

HE'S GOT A CRANK IN HIS NECK.

WHAT IS Y AND THEN TOTAL.

BUT WHAT IF WE ASK HIM AND REALLY, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, IS THIS A SORT OF A, LET'S BE A NORMAL PATH FOR COTTON TO TAKE DURING THE SEASON OR IS THAT JUST SOME ONE FARM SOMEWHERE IT'S EVERY YEAR YOU NOTICE THAT IF THEY PICK IT UP, MAN, LIKE THE LIGHTS AND IT'S JUST BLOWING OFF OF INNOVATORS, UH, THE ONLY AVENUE IS TO CONVINCE THE REGISTRATION THAT IT NEEDS TO BE COVERED BY.

WELL, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE FARM, OF COURSE, I KNOW IT WAS PRETTY LIGHT, BUT HE PROBABLY WANTED TO KEEP MOST OF IT BY THE TIME HE GOT TO THE WHEREVER HE'S GOING WITH IT.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE COULD KIND OF ASK HIM, YOU KNOW, IN A NICE WAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT THEY COULD CONSIDER PLUGGING UP THE HOLES OR WHATEVER, LET'S SEE, EXCUSE ME.

ONE THING ABOUT TWO MARRIAGE THAT MOST OF THE FARMERS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TRANSPORTING OF THE TRUCKS, AT LEAST OUT BY INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTED OUT.

SO THE TRUCKING COMPANY WILL PROBABLY BE MORE THAN, YEAH.

SO WHAT IS THE SAME WAY WE CAN CHECK INTO THAT AND JUST KIND OF LET THEM KNOW THAT IT IS CAUSING A PROBLEM AND JUST SEE HOW THEY RESPOND TO IT.

ANYWAY.

I MEAN, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE A LAW TO MAKE PEOPLE SEE THAT AND SEE THE LIGHTS AND TO SPEAK OR ASK THEM TO SEE THE LIGHT, NOT MAKING THE TRANSPORT TRAILERS ARE BASICALLY OWNED BY, I GUESS THE, THE COTTON GINS AND MOST OF THE MACHINES THAT DO THE HARVESTING ARE JUST, UH, I HESITATE TO USE WORD GYPSY UNITS, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT JUST COVER THE AREA AT A PARTICULAR TIME.

SO THE INDIVIDUAL FARMERS DON'T HAVE THE EXPENSE OF THE EQUIPMENT.

UH, SO THE FARMER RAISES IT, BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE MUCH CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS.

I CAN TELL YOU A WAY OUT OF MY EXPERTISE AND I WASN'T RAISED IN NEW YORK CITY.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MY COTTON.

I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE POOR OLD FARMERS GETTING KICKED TO DEATH.

I MEAN, HE CAN'T RAISE TOBACCO ANYMORE.

THEY'RE TAKING AWAY THE PEANUT A LOT MONTHS AND NOW WE JUMP ON HIM BECAUSE THE COTTON PROBLEMS. NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

YES.

I ASKED IF THEY MIGHT NOT REALIZE IT'S COMING OFF IS THE POINT.

I DON'T THINK THEY WILL MESS IT UP ANYMORE THAN WE WANT IT MESSED UP.

SO JUST GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP US.

THEY HELP US OUT IF THEY CAN.

YEAH.

THE ONLY THING I NOTICED ABOUT THE TRAILERS IS THAT THEY ARE OPEN.

THEY'RE A LOT OF HOLE HOLES ALL THE WAY AROUND THEM AND EVERYTHING.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S JUST COMING OFF THE TOP OR IT'S ACTUALLY JUST BEING PULLED OUT AS IT, AS THE TRUCK DRIVES DOWN THE ROADWAY, SINCE SURE WE CAN LET THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT KNOW ABOUT IT AND TELL THEM THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY A Q2.

IF THEY WOULD JUST GO OUT.

I ALWAYS THOUGHT THERE WAS A COTTAGE COTTAGE INDUSTRY AND JUST PICKING UP THE COTTON ALONGSIDE THE ROADS.

I WANT A SMALLER ONE THAT IT SEEMS TO ME THOUGH, AS YOU GO UP 43, YOU SEE ALL THESE BIG, HUGE

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YOU HAVE BALES.

AND THE TARPS THAT ARE OVER THE BALES DON'T COVER THE ENTIRE SQUARE OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO MAYBE THAT'S THE PROBLEM WHEN THEY'RE TRANSPORTING THIS STUFF COMES FROM ROUGH.

HANDLING COMES OFF THE BOTTOM AND THEN THE WIND JUST BLOWS IT ALL OVER THE PLACE.

NEED A BETTER CAR, NEED A BIGGER CAR.

THAT'S PROBABLY AN ANNUAL PROBLEM THAT WE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH.

CAUSE I NOTICED AFTER THE TRASH TRUCKS COME, SOMETIMES THE STREETS ARE LITTERED WITH PACKING MATERIAL FROM THOSE GUYS DUMPING STUFF IN THE TRASH CAN.

AND THOSE THAT WHITE PACKING MATERIAL COMES UP, FLIES OVER FLIES EVERYWHERE.

YOU MAY NOT FIND THEM A BASKETBALL AREA.

THAT STUFF PROBABLY GOES TO THE NOTHINGNESS PRIVET CATEGORY BECAUSE WHEN THE LAW WITH TRUCKS COME THROUGH TOWN OR YOU SEE THERE, THE BRIEF SCAN ON THE HIGHWAY, AND THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING WE MIGHT HAVE TO LIVE WITH BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF EVERY SINGLE LITTLE PROBLEM, BUT IT'S THOSE WILLFUL VIOLATION THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON.

PEOPLE ARE JUST ON PAPERS AND CIGARETTE BUTTS OUT, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD GET THOSE FOLKS TO CONTROL THEIR LITTLE TOO.

BUT WELL, WE CAN JUST POINT OUT THAT IT'S HAPPENING.

THEY WON'T BE, IF THEY CAN HELP US IN SOME WAY, I THINK THE PHARMA WILL, I GREW UP, I WANT TO FALL IN LINE.

YOU KNOW, YOU DO THE BEST HE CAN.

IF HE CAN DO SOMETHING FINE.

IF HE CAN'T, WE'LL JUST LIVE WITH IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.

EXACTLY.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THE LETTER, BEN, WE APPRECIATE IT.

THE JOB EVERYBODY'S DOING BECAUSE IT HAS IMPROVED QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO.

LISTEN, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SO WHAT ABOUT SOUND? HAVE YOU MADE AN ARREST ON, UH, ANY BOOMBOX ARREST? ANY I WASN'T GOING TO TELL YOU THIS, WE HAVE FOUR NOISE ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS OVER THIS REPORTING PERIOD.

GOOD.

WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

WELL, IT'S DIMINISHING SOME, BUT UH, I JUST WANT US TO BE VIGILANT AND STAY ON IT.

OKAY.

NEXT THING WE HAVE IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER USING FUNDS FROM THE 2002 LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT BLOCK GRANT.

THANK YOU.

YOU, I GUESS I SHOULD'VE JUST STAYED UP HERE ANYWAY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A REPORT, JUST SAY BACK TO THE COP THAT COULD HAVE JUST ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THE, UM, LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT BLOCK GRANT FOR 2002, UH, THE CITY OF NEW BERN'S ALLOTMENT FROM THE STATE IS $56,557.

THERE ARE FEDERAL MONIES THAT ARE FUNNELED THROUGH THE STATE.

THE CITY'S LOCAL MATCH IS $6,284 FOR A TOTAL OF $62,841.

AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UH, SEVERAL TECHNOLOGY ISSUES, UH, WITH THIS GRANT.

UH, WE'VE UM, CONFERRED WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD THAT WE HAVE.

AND THERE'S A CONCURRENCE WITH THE BOARD THAT, UH, WE HAVE A, THERE'S A $12,000 EXPENDITURE IS GOING TO BE MADE TOWARD, UH, PROVIDING THE DEPARTMENT WITH A NEW POLYGRAPH OPERATOR.

AS YOU MAY KNOW, UH, SERGEANT GARVEY, OUR POLYGRAPHER RETIRED A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK AND, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A POLYGRAPH OPERATOR NOW AND IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT FUNCTION FOR US.

AND SO WE'D BE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO, BUT IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, MOSTLY FROM A PER DIEM.

IT'S A THREE TO FOUR MONTH TRAINING COURSE.

USUALLY, UH, WE CAN GO TO VIRGINIA OR THERE'S SOME IN SOUTH CAROLINA AROUND THE LOCAL AREA, BUT THE OVERALL COST WOULD PER DIEM AND TRAVEL AND EVERYTHING RUNS ABOUT 12 TO $13,000.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT FROM THE PERSON WE SELECT FOR THIS.

UH, THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET BY THE, UH, THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE SCHOOLS.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.

THAT'LL BE, UH, ABOUT 13,012 OR 13,000 OUT OF THE BLOCK GRANT.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS FOR OUR FEMALE OFFICERS ARE PLAYING CLOSE FEMALE OFFICERS.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO USE THE STANDARD, UH, HOLSTERS THAT THE MALE OFFICERS USE OFF DUTY IN PLAIN CLOTHES.

SO WE'VE GOT A COMMITTEE OF FEMALE OFFICERS WHO ARE TESTING DIFFERENT, UM, WAYS OF CARRYING THE WEAPON, UH, BOTH FROM CONCEALED PERSPECTIVE AND TO, FOR SECURITY AND ACCESSIBILITY.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, UH, THAT WON'T BE A VERY LARGE EXPENDITURE MAY BE, UH, PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO OUTFIT ALL OF OUR FEMALE PLAIN CLOTHES OFFICERS.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME TECHNOLOGY TO ENHANCE OUR TRAINING CAPABILITIES.

UH, ONE IS A, UM, VIDEO TRAINING ON DEMAND SYSTEM.

AS YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT HAS A VIDEO LINK THROUGHOUT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT IN VARIOUS AREAS, UH, THE TRAINING ROOM BREAK ROOMS, ROLL CALL ROOMS. AND WE'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW TO DEVELOP A

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SYSTEM THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR A SUPERVISOR OR AN INDIVIDUAL OFFICER TO KEY UP A PARTICULAR LESSON PLAN THAT WE HAVE ON VIDEO AND TO MONITOR, WATCH THAT LESSON PLAN IN ONE OF THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PLACES.

UH, WE'RE NOT SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET ONE THAT INTEGRATES WITH THE COMPUTER SYSTEM OR JUST THE TV SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN EITHER CASE THE OFFICER OR THE SUPERVISOR CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT A MENU OF THE TRAINING TAPES THEY'RE AVAILABLE AND WE'LL HAVE PRESCRIBED SHAPES THAT THEY HAVE TO WATCH.

AND THERE'S ALSO OTHERS THAT THEY CAN WATCH IF THEY CHOOSE AND BE ALLOWED DURING THE SHIFT TO COME IN AND, AND DO A 15 MINUTE OR 30 MINUTE TAPE AND GET TRAINED TRAINING IN THAT CAPACITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING ISSUES THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW.

AND WE'RE VERY GEARED TOWARD A MISSION CAPABLE TRAINING AND PARTICULAR, UH, PRACTICAL AND TACTICAL TRAINING.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE DEVICES WE'RE ALSO, UM, OUTFITTING, UH, A UNMARKED, UH, TRAFFIC UNIT CAR FOR OUR AGGRESSIVE DRIVING CAMPAIGN WITH A LAPTOP COMPUTER AND, AND THE ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT FOR THAT, UH, DOCKING STATION AND SOME HOOKUPS IN 10 PATROL CARS TO GO ALONG WITH, UH, TWO OTHER GRANTS THAT WE HAVE A CRIME COMMISSION GRANT AND A COPS, MORE 2001, 2002 GRANT THAT WE'LL PUT LAPTOP COMPUTERS IN THE CAR, MOBILE DATA COMPUTERS, WHAT THEY CALLED INTO POLICE CARS IN A SHARING SITUATION WHERE TWO OFFICES WILL BE ASSIGNED TO ONE COMPUTER, BUT EACH CAR WILL HAVE THE CONNECTIONS.

AND ALSO THERE'LL BE A CONNECTION AT THE POLICE STATION IN THE RIGHT REPORT, WRITING ROOM WHERE THEY CAN TALK.

AND THEN, UH, SOME, UM, REPLACEMENT COMPUTERS FOR SYSTEMS THAT ARE OUTDATED.

NOW WE'LL BE REPLACING ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE WORKSTATIONS THAT ARE OUTDATED AND OTHER VARIOUS SUPPLIES AND A CD BURNER.

ALL OF OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES MANUALS ARE GOING TO CDS DISCS THAT WE'LL BE REPLACING THE HUGE BOOKS THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO THIS WILL ALL WORK TOWARD ACCOMPLISHING THAT GOAL.

AND WE'RE READY TO GO.

AND ALSO TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ONE THING I'D LIKE TO ASK, I KNOW IT'S GETTING CHEAP IS THAT GPS SYSTEM SO THAT THE DISPATCHER CAN LOOK AT A SCREEN AND TELL WHERE ONE OF THOSE CARS OUT THERE PATROLLING THE CITY, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY CAN THEY, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN TELL.

I SEE IT WHEN THE CAR IS ON, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN IF THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED, RIGHT.

AND ALL THIS OTHER, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS I DO.

AND I KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS IS LIKE THE WHOLE STAR SYSTEM, WHICH IS OVERKILL, YOU KNOW, WITH GENERAL MOTORS, BUT IT'S GETTING THAT WELL.

I MEAN THE RENTAL CAR IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY, I MEAN, IT'S EASY NOW TO TELL WHAT A CAR IS USED TO BE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST A FEW YEARS BACK.

AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE CHECKED IN ANYTHING RECENTLY OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT'S BEEN MY IDEAL OR GOAL OR DREAM OR WHATEVER TO, TO REALLY PUT US, IN MY OPINION, IN ON THE FIRST LEVEL OF DEFENSE FOR THE PUCK IS TO KNOW WHAT THESE CARS ARE.

MAYBE WE'LL LOOK AT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NOW, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GETTING AWARE AND HOW TO RESPOND AND THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE BUSINESS.

AND IT'S GOT TO BE CHEAPER THAN OUT NOW THAT, UH, NOW THE THING IS IT OUGHT TO BE FEASIBLE.

WELL, THE MANAGER HAS ASKED US TO LOOK AT THEIR RADIO SYSTEM AS A WHOLE AND TO DO SOME ASSESSMENT OF IT AND EVALUATION OF IT.

CERTAINLY WE CAN LOOK, UH, WE CAN RE EXAMINE THE AVL, UH, PIECE OF THAT, THE AUTOMATIC AUTOMATIC VEHICLE LOCATOR PIECE OF THAT.

IT WAS NOT ON THE FRONT BURNER BACK NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

YEAH, IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE.

AND IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT RECENTLY, BUT CERTAINLY WE CAN REEVALUATE THE COST OF IT AND DETERMINE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD WELL THINK OF IT THIS WAY.

IT WAS ON THE FIRETRUCKS OR AN EXAMPLE.

AND THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, IF THE TRAIN WAS IN THIS POSITION OR IF SOMEBODY GOT IN A WRECK OVER HERE OR SOME CALAMITY HAPPENED OVER THERE SURE IS NICE TO SEE THE WHOLE BUSINESS COMING TOGETHER INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY TRYING TO VISUALIZE, LET'S SEE.

NOW HE SAID HE WAS ON SO-AND-SO STREET.

THAT WAS ON.

SO IT'S A, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, TO ME, IT'S JUST, I DON'T JUST MOVE AS A HEAD, A BUNCH OF NOTCHES.

WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU AND IT PROVIDES FOR AN IMMEDIATE VISUAL PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

FOR INSTANCE, IF, IF THE ZONE CAR JUST BECAUSE THE ZONE CAR OWNS THIS PARTICULAR AREA DOESN'T MEAN HE'S OR SHE IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CALL THAT THEY, THAT YOU NEED HIM FOR.

AND THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT ZONE CAR CLOSER TO THAT CALL THAN THE ACTUAL CAR TO BELONG THAT OWNS THAT ZONE.

SO THAT'LL GIVE YOU A VISUAL PICTURE AND THE CARS ARE IN CONSTANT MOTION.

SO IT'S NOT A MATTER, IT'S NOT EVEN POSSIBLE TO REMEMBER WHERE THEY WERE LAST BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT.

IT'S WHERE THEY ARE NOW.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED BREAD.

SOMEBODY CAN INSTANTANEOUS AND THEY SAY, WELL, IS IT POLICE GUARD? IT'S TWO BLOCKS.

AND THIS ONE'S COMING HERE.

I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT THE WHOLE PICTURE TOGETHER.

IT'S AN OFFICER SAFETY ISSUE TOO.

IF AN OFFICER BECOMES INCAPACITATED, WE KNOW WHERE HIS CAR IS.

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ONE THING, ONE QUICK QUESTION.

UH, DO ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC CARS NOW HAVE CAMERAS? OR DO WE HAVE SOME, WE STILL NEED TO EQUIP NO.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, UM, WITH THE LATEST GRANT THAT WE JUST, UH, WE JUST GOT AWARDED WE'RE UP TO, I THINK 39 OF OUR PATROL VEHICLES HAVE CAMERAS IN THE CARS, UH, ALL THE TRAFFICKING IT'S HABIT AND HAVE HAD IT, BUT WE'RE UP TO THERE'S 33 ADDITIONAL PATROL CARS THAT HAVE THE CAMERAS IN THEM.

OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A CAMERA IN EVERY MARKED UNIT, BUT WE'RE PRE WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT NOW.

SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

NEXT THING.

OH, THE PUBLIC HEARING, YES.

THAT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE USE AS ANYBODY GOT INTO BLAME FOR OR AGAINST THE, UH, WHAT THE CHIEF WAS PROPOSING WITH THE MONEY, LIKE A MUSLIM CLUB.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ANYTHING THAT YOU SAY MAY BE AND WILL BE HELD AGAIN.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

SO WE'VE MADE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE POET, HEARING ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, NEXT.

ALL RIGHT.

PROBABLY HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION FIVE DASH 3 24 C C OF THE LAND USE ORDINANCE LIMITING THE SIZE OF ADVERTISING BUBBLING.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BAYLESS MEMBERS OF THE WARD.

ALDERMAN YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU AN AMENDMENT PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE LAND USE ORDINANCE BASICALLY PRECIPITATED OUT OF SEVERAL REQUESTS TO HAVE APPROVED LARGE ADVERTISING BALLOONS IN THE CITY.

AND AFTER SERVING OTHER CITY ORDINANCES FROM ACROSS EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA, WE DETERMINED THAT MOST CITIES HAVE SOME REGULATION OF THE SIZE AND HEIGHT OF THESE TYPES OF BALLOONS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADVERTISING BALLOONS.

THE LAST REQUEST WE HAD WAS FOR BALONE IS LARGEST 24 FEET BY ABOUT 12 FEET.

AND WE FEEL THAT THEY WOULD BE A SAFETY HAZARD AND A DISTRACTION TO MOTORISTS.

SO WE PROPOSED THIS AMENDMENT, WHICH WILL BASICALLY LIMIT THE SIZE OF THESE TYPES OF ADVERTISING DEVICES TO 36 SQUARE FEET AS SEEN BY ANY ONE PERSON FOR MANY POINT AND LIMIT THEM TO A HEIGHT OF 50 FEET.

WELL, WE'VE HAD A RE SURVEY, OTHER CITIES, SUCH AS JACKSONVILLE GREENVILLE, KENSTON GOLDSBOROUGH MOREHEAD CITY.

AND THEY BASICALLY ALL HAD REGULATIONS THAT LIMITED THEIR SIZES AND THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THEY WERE DISPLAYED.

IN FACT, SEVERAL CITIES DO NOT PERMIT THEM AT ALL.

WELL, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE AND SIZE AT YOUR RECOMMENDED IN GENERAL? THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS RIGHT ALONG THE LINES OF THOSE THAT REGULATE THESE TYPES OF DEVICES.

BERNARD, WE'RE NOT SPEAKING REALLY THE HELIUM BALLOONS.

ARE YOU SPEAKING OF THE AIR PRESSURE MONKEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT LIKE AUTO DEALERS HAVE IN FRONT OF THEIR PLACES PERIODICALLY? IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF? NO, WE'RE NOT.

THEY WOULD BE EXEMPT ON THIS ORDINANCE BASICALLY BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE BELOW A HEIGHT 20 FEET AND IT BELONGS BELOW HIGH TO 20 FEET, NO GREATER THAN THE HEIGHT OF 20 FEET, WHICH WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THIS REGULATION.

SO THEY COULD BE THE MONKEYS, THE GORILLAS, THOSE TYPES OF ADVERTISING DEVICES THAT BUSINESSES HAVE FOR LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME.

OKAY.

BECAUSE I HAVE, I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE, THE FIGURES, LIKE THE STICK FIGURES THAT WHEN, BUT THEY MOVE CONSTANTLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY'RE DESIGNED, BUT THEY WOULD, SOME OF THEM APPEAR THAT THEY WOULD EXCEED THAT 50 FEET AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE MORE ATTENTION GETTING REALLY THE KNEE THAN THE HELIUM BALLOONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THEY WERE INCLUDED.

I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM WITH, WITH GETTING INTO A SIZE WAR ON INFLATED DISPLAYS AND EVERYTHING.

SO THIS AMENDMENT TARGETS HELIUM TIGHT BALLOONS.

THE LAST REQUEST WE HAD WAS FOR A BALLOON THAT WOULD REACH A HEIGHT TO 200 FEET.

AND I THINK I SAW ONE IN FAIRLY CLOSE CITY SOMEWHERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE STATE.

AND IT WAS A HUGE DISTRACTION.

I'M SERIOUS.

I COULDN'T ABLE TO SAY, BABE, YOU COULDN'T TELL WHETHER IT WAS A REAL, YOU KNOW, LIKE A GOOD NIGGER PULLING UP CLOSER AND STARTED LOOKING.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CABLE THAT THE THING WAS WAS TETHERED BY WAS, WAS SO BIG BECAUSE IT WAS SO BIG.

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I DON'T SEE WHY IN THE WORLD, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WOULDN'T BE SOME SORT OF HAZARD.

LIKE YOU POINTED OUT IN THE, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADD IS THAT AT ITS REGULAR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2002 TO PLAN AND ZONING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS ORDINANCE BE ADOPTED BY THIS BOARD, NO ONE APPEARED OR SPOKEN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, IF NOT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT.

ANYBODY HERE GOT ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BALLOONS? I WOULD MOVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

BE CLOSED SEC, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AND THE REST LETTING AIR OUT OF YOUR BALLOON.

NOW MOVE A DOCTOR.

WOULDN'T HEAR A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT.

ROLL PLEASE, MAN.

YES, YES, YES, YES.

OKAY.

NEXT THING IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING INITIALS LEARNING CLASSIFICATION OF RSX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHERE THE BEACH GROVE LLC PROPERTY JORDAN.

AGAIN, THIS AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING MAP WAS INITIATED BY THE ANNEXATION OF THE BEACH GROVE PROPERTY.

BACK IN JUNE OF 1999, WE SPOKEN TO THE BEACH GROVE OWNERS.

THEY MET PLANNING STAFF, AND THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY CONSISTS OF ABOUT 22 ACRES OF BEACH GROVE MOBILE HOME PARK, OR CURRENTLY A MOBILE HOME PARK IS OPERATED AND ADJACENT PROPERTY ABOUT 30 TO 32 ACRES OF VACANT FOREST LAND FARMLAND.

AND BOTH PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED ADJACENT TO HIGHWAY 43 AND HIGHWAY 55 AT ITS REGULAR MEETING ON OCTOBER, THE FIRST 2002, THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVE OF THE RSX RESIDENTS ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ONE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS DESIGNATION, SIX RESIDENTS FROM THE PLEASANT HILL COMMUNITY APPEARED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SPOKEN OPPOSITION TO THE, UH, ZONING ASSIGNMENT.

THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE MOBILE HOME PARK COULD POSSIBLY ABOUT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THERE AND THE IMPACTS OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SMALL COMMUNITY THERE AND THE PLEASANT HILL COMMUNITY AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULD, WE ASSURED THE RESIDENTS THAT, UH, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER PROPERTY WILL REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH AT THAT POINT WE COULD REVIEW THE DEVELOPMENT IN DETAILS AND ENSURE THAT IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY OF NEWBURN AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE CHARACTER CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE HERE AT THE SCENE AND WE'LL PROBABLY WANT TO SPEAK, WHAT OTHER HEARING IS ANYBODY HERE IN THIS CHAIN CLASSIFICATION? I LIKE YOUR NAME AND YOUR DRESS.

UH, MY NAME IS JEAN MCELWAIN.

I LIVE AT 10 25 WASHINGTON POST ROAD, NEWBERN NORTH CAROLINA.

UM, AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS, UM, PROPOSAL, UM, UH, ON THE FACT OF COURSE, UM, I'M GOING TO ONE OF THE ADJACENT LAND OWNERS AND, UM, UH, FIRST I'D JUST LIKE TO START OUT WITH SAYING THAT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, THE CITY PLANNERS WERE STUDYING IDEAS ON CITY BEAUTIFICATION BY BETTER PLANNING AND ZONING.

AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I REMEMBER THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, OPEN SPACE, SUBDIVISIONS, MORE PLAYGROUND SPACE IN SUBDIVISIONS, UM, MORE WOODED AREAS IN SUBDIVISIONS AND, UH, AND THIS IMMEDIATE AREA WHERE THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, FOR ZONING CHANGES REQUESTED.

I'D LIKE TO SAY THERE'S FIVE MOBILE HOMES IN THIS AREA.

AND ONE OF THEM IS A COLONIAL MOBILE HOME PARK.

WHAT ABOUT A HUNDRED PLUS MOBILE HOMES? UH, THERE'S A BEACH GROVE MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH HAS A HUNDRED PLUS MOBILE HOMES, UM, AS GRACIE FARMS AND THE MEADOWS IN THE BACK OF GRACIE FARMS HAS ABOUT 80 MOBILE HOMES.

AND THEN WE HAVE GRACIE FARMS PARK, WHICH HAS ABOUT 230 MOBILE HOMES.

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AND THAT'S RIGHT ON ALL IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA OF THE BEACH GROVE HOME, MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH THIS PROPERTY IS ON THE BACK OF.

UM, AND THAT, THAT EQUATES, THAT ADDS UP TO ABOUT 600 MOBILE HOMES IN THE, IN THE GENERAL AREA THAT MANY MOBILE HOMES AND MOBILE HOME SPACES, UH, MORE OR LESS.

AND, UH, THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE WITH THE ZONING IS THAT AT SCHOOL THAT, UH, IF YOU EQUATE THAT OUT, DIVIDED OUT, UH, YOU COULD GET SEVEN LOTS PER ACRE.

UH, THAT, THAT MEANS THIS A, DID IT ADDITIONAL PROPERTY.

THEY WON'T SAY THAT HE WANTS TO MAKE OURS SIX.

THEY COULD PUT AS MANY AS A, ANOTHER COUPLE OF HUNDRED MOBILE HOMES IN THE, IN THE AREA.

SO IN TERMS OF SEWING AND HOUSING, UH, I WOULD SEE THIS AS HIGH DENSITY, HIGH DENSITY TYPE OF HOUSING, AND, UM, D TO, I GUESS, TO KIND OF INDICATE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

LET'S JUST TAKE GREENBRIER, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S ALL OF YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ME THAT THAT'S NICE HOMES OVER THERE.

AND THEN IF YOU GO RIGHT ACROSS THE BYPASS OVER THERE, YOU GOT DERBY PARK AND THERE'S A NICE HOMES IN THERE TOO, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S SMALLER HOMES ON SMALLER LOTS, THE GREEN BUYERS, LARGE HOMES ON BIG LOTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY DENSITY.

SO, UM, THE REPEAT THE PROBLEM OF, OF, OF, OF ALL THESE MOBILE HOMES, YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF MOBILE HOMES PACKED INTO ONE AREA.

AND TO ME THAT WOULD EQUATE DOWN A MOBILE HOME IS PROBABLY A LOT LESS COSTLY EVEN THAN A DERBY PARK HOME.

AND IT'S PROBABLY THE LOWEST PRICE HOUSING THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY GET INTO ANYBODY COULD GET INTO.

SO I WOULD CALL THAT LOW-INCOME HOUSING.

SO WE'RE GETTING A HIGH DENSITY OF LOW INCOME HOUSING IN ONE AREA, OR JUST IN ONE CORNER OF YOUR, OF YOUR CITY OVER HERE.

AND MOST OF THAT, PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS WHILE BEING THE CITY ANYWAY.

SO WHAT, I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING TONIGHT, I'M SAYING, UH, LOOK AT THE TREND OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE BY ALLOWING MORE MOBILE HOMES.

THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED ONTO THE BACK OF THE BEACH, GROW MOBILE HOME PARK AND HOW THE CITY PLANNERS HAVE VIEWING THESE THINGS.

JUST TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, YOU WOULD TALK ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION OF THE CITY, UH, MORE SPACE AND BETTER SUBDIVISIONS.

AND THEN WHAT WE'VE COME DOWN THROUGH IS ONE WHOLE SECTION OVER HERE ON THE SIDE OF TOWN, THAT'S A CONCENTRATION OF MOBILE HOMES.

UM, UH, IF I, IF I CAN REMEMBER CORRECTLY, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, THE CITY PLANNERS RIGHT HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, REALLY LESS MOBILE HOMES IN THE CITY.

AND SO THE TREND IS REAL.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE TREND AND THE THINKING OF THAT, UH, CITY PLANNERS, BUT ANYWAY, AS AN ADJACENT LAND OWNER, UM, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THAT, UH, ZONING BE CHANGED TO AN AND, UM, UM, YEAH, YOU PLAN, UH, I WAS WHAT I THOUGHT TONIGHT WHEN I CAME HERE, I'D BE ADDRESSING THE ZONING AND PLANNING BOARD.

INSTEAD.

I ENDED UP AT THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN, I GUESS THIS IS THE LAST STEP, BUT, UM, UH, WE, UH, WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH IN THAT AREA, BUT THE TIME BEING, HOW MANY MORE MOBILE HOMES CAN WE PACK INTO ONE AREA OUT THERE, UM, AND THE BEACH GROVE COMMUNITY THERE, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HE GOING TO TURN INTO, BUT I JUST PACKED IT IN ONE MORE MOBILE HOME PARK AFTER ANOTHER.

UM, AND ANOTHER, THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO BRING UP IS THAT NONE OF THE, UH, ADJACENT LAND OWNERS ON MY SIDE OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK, UH, WE'RE NOT, WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF THE INITIAL ZONING AND PLANNING BOARD, UM, UH, PRESENTATION WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED AT THE ZONING PLANNING THE BOARD.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE RULES OR NOT, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME ANYWAY, MEREDITH FORD.

AND WHEN I WAS COMING MATCHED, MR. GEORGE, A QUESTION, AND YOU'RE IN THE NOTES HERE, YOU'RE SAYING THE REQUEST CHAIN IS FROM UNDERTONE WITH OUR SIX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, NOW THAT IT'S ZONE, WHAT CAN A PROVINCE I WANT TO DO TO THE PROPERTY RIGHT TODAY? THEY CAN BASICALLY MAKE ANY USE THAT THEY WANT OF THE PROPERTY.

ANY USE.

I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING TO CONCERN CONCERNING THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS TRUE TO SEVERAL MOBILE HOME PARKS IN THAT AREA, IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, MOBILE HOME PARKS ARE NOT ALLOWED.

SO WITHIN OUR SIX DESIGNATION BEACH GROVE MOBILE HOME PARK

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WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO EXPAND.

HOWEVER, THE, OUR SIX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT DOES PERMIT MOBILE HOMES ON SINGLE LIVES.

AT THIS POINT, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PROPOSED, EXCUSE ME, JOINED BACK UP AGAIN.

THEN YOU SAID IT WON'T ENLARGE, BUT IT WILL ALLOW MOBILE HOMES ON A LOT.

YES.

ON A SINGLE LOT.

IT DOES NOT ALLOW MOBILE HOME PARKS, BUT OUR S SIX DOES PERMIT MOBILE HOMES ON A SINGLE LOT ON THE INDIVIDUAL LOT, JUST AS ANY HOUSE IN SITE GUILD HOUSE.

OKAY.

DO WE CONTROL THE SIZE OF THOSE LIGHTS? YES, WE DO.

AND THE SIX, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS SUBMITTED A SUBDIVISION MOBILE HOME SUBDIVISION FOR THE SITE.

VERY SIMILAR TO THE MOBILE SUBDIVISION OUT ON, UH, OF THOMAS AND ROAD ACROSS A BENDY QUINN.

THE LOTS AT THIS POINT ARE BETWEEN 12,000 AND 15,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND OUR 20 DESIGNATION, WHICH IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL WILL PERMIT MOBILE HOMES ON SINGLE LOCKS, BUT IT WILL ALSO PERMIT MOBILE HOME PARKS.

SO THERE WAS A FEELING AMONG PLANNING STAFF THAT AN , WHICH IS WHAT A PROPERTY ON A WARNING WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST PROTECTIVE OF JASON PROPERTY, OWNER RIGHTS, AND PROBABLY LIMIT THE PROLIFERATION OF MOBILE HOME PARK.

IT WILL LIMIT MOBILE HOME PARKS ELIMINATED WITH THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER THAT HE CAN PUT IN IT.

YES.

WELL, HE CANNOT EXPAND MOBILE HOME, THE MOBILE HOME PARK PERIOD.

OKAY.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THAT MAKING IT AN RSX DOES WHAT MR. MCELWAIN WALNUT AND MAKING THAT AN ART 20, LIKE HE WAS ASKING WOULD ALLOW EXPANSION OF THE MOBILE UNBORN, BUT RSX WOULD NOT ALLOW, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE AN INDIVIDUAL FROM GOING IN AND BUYING HIM A LOT WITH A MINIMUM SIZE OF WHAT 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND THAT INDIVIDUAL MIGHT ELECT TO PUT A MOBILE HOME ON IT AND STARTED RUNNING A HOUSE, WHICH HE CAN DO OUT THERE.

ANYWAY.

SO FROM WHAT HE'S TELLING US IS THAT THERE ARE SIX IS DOING WHAT YOU WERE ASKING, AND THERE ARE 20 WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE.

JOEL, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM ZONING APPLICATION THAT PREVENTS ANY TYPE OF MOBILE HOME AND OUR EIGHT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM SIZE OF THE LAW? THE LOT WOULD BE 8,000 SQUARE FEET.

I TELL YOU SOMETHING, UH, THE WORLD RECORD.

AND THIS IS PROBABLY TOO, FROM VERSATILE.

I'M VERY HOSTILE TOWARD THE MOBILE HOME INDUSTRY, BECAUSE THERE ARE FACTS THAT SHOWED THAT WHEN PEOPLE BUY MOBILE HOMES, NUMBER ONE, BILL, WE'RE PAYING FOR THEM TO TURN OVER ABOUT TWO OR THREE TIMES.

THEY ARE OVERPRICED.

YOU CAN APPRECIATE, UH, I DON'T THINK MOBILE HOME IS GOOD FOR AN INDIVIDUAL AND THE COMMUNITY INTEREST RATES AS LOW AS THEY ARE THAT PEOPLE CAN ATTEND VIA JUST A STANDARD HOUSE.

AND, UH, I'M NOT EXPANDING, UH, MOBILE HOMES IN THIS CITY.

WELL, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE THAT STARTING OUT THAT THAT'S THOUGHT ALL THEY COULD AFFORD.

AND, UH, AND I KNOW A LOT OF GOOD AREAS, A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE TO LIVE IN MOLDOVA.

THEY ARE GOOD, BUT NOT THE PEOPLE IT'S, THE INDUSTRY HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT I STILL CAN BUY THOSE AND ESTABLISH THEM CHEAPER.

THEY A HAVE, AND AT LET'S SAME TAB, I GUESS, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU INCLUDE ME ON THIS, I GUESS WE KIND OF WEIGH IN RIGHT NOW IS IF WE PUT A CONTROL ON IT TO OUR SIX, WE LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF MOBILE HOMES THAT CAN GO THERE.

IF WE DID NOT, THIS ZONE, THE OWNER CAN GO OUT THERE TOMORROW AND DO WHATEVER HE WOULD LOVE.

WE WANT TO DO.

CORRECT.

WELL, UM, IF IT'S LEFT ON ZONE, IF IT'S LEFT AND ZONE, YES, HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO.

YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

ROB IS BAD FOR US POSSIBLY TO USE WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TO HELP HIM TO HELP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ZONE IT, TO RETAIN THEM A LITTLE MORE THAN FLORIDA PROTECTED, MAN.

AND THIS IS NOTHING REALLY BOTTOM LINE TO SAY THE MOBILE HOME INDUSTRY SO MUCH AS PROTECTING THEM THE BEST THAT WE CAN ASK YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT.

YOU WANT TO DO RNA AND YOU MAKE THAT MOTION.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO PROTECT, NOT HAVING AS MUCH OUT THERE AS THEY WERE, AS IT IS.

NOW.

WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

I DON'T KNOW SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN THAT DEVELOPMENT PROFITABLY, THEY WERE SOLD A MOBILE HOME FOR $100,000.

NO, APPRECIATE IT.

UH, JUST, UH, I JUST THINK PEOPLE DON'T KNOW,

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BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE HERE.

THE NEXT THING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RENTING THEM OUT.

WELL, WE GOT TWO THINGS YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO OUR AID, OR DO WE GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE STAFF? OF COURSE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YEAH.

LET ME, LET ME ASK BERNARD A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT.

UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, PROBABLY TOO LARGE TO TYPICALLY BE A MOBILE HOME LOT.

IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEBODY BOUGHT A LOT THAT BIG, THEY JUST AS LIKELY PERHAPS TO BUILD A SMALL HOUSE ON IT AS HE WOULD TO PUT A MOBILE HOME LOT, OR DOES THAT INVITE THEM OVER THE LINE? IT WAS MY OR MOBILE HOMES, GENERAL ALMA, SMALL, LOTS OF THAT IN GENERAL AND MOBILE HOME SUBDIVISIONS, AS IT'S PROPOSED AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT TWICE THAT SIZE BECAUSE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT IS THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON MOBILE HOMES.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE MASONRY FOUNDATIONS.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PORCH THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A PITCHED ROOF.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A VINYL SIDING SO THAT THEY LOOK MORE CONSISTENT WITH TRADITIONALLY BUILT HOMES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE PARK.

NO, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN A PARK AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR 20 RURAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS SET UP MORE.

SO FOR MORE RELAXED REGULATION OF MOBILE HOMES.

SO THIS IS THE STRONGEST REGULATION WE HAVE LAST.

YES.

I THINK THAT GENTLEMAN'S CONCERNED.

AND THAT WAS A CONCERN.

IS IT THE WAY IT WAS ME AND SAYING, AND NOW WAS AN INVITATION DO TO MAKE THE PARK MAYBE ABLE TO SAY SOME MORE.

GO AHEAD.

I JUST LIKE TO SAY IT, UH, BEING, UH, KIND OF EAGER TO JOIN THE CROWD.

I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THAT REQUEST.

THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER THAT.

COULD YOU GO BACK AND TELL US THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MOBILE HOME UNIT, HOW'S THAT DIFFERENT FROM A MODULAR HOMES IN A MODULAR HOME FIT ON A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY, OR ARE THESE STRICTLY A MOBILE? WHAT'S THE DEFINITION I, WELL, A MODULAR HOME CAN BE, UM, LOOKED VERY MUCH LIKE A MOBILE HOME.

IN MANY CASES, DOUBLE-WIDE MOBILE HOME IS VERY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY WITH NEW MANUFACTURED HOME TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MANUFACTURED HOME MOBILE HOME AND A MODULAR HOME.

IN FACT, THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY TELL IS, IS TO LOOK AT A CERTIFICATION INSIDE THE HOME ITSELF.

BUT A MANUFACTURED HOME IS BUILT TO HUD STANDARDS AND A MODULAR HOME IS BUILT TO THE NORTH CAROLINA STATE BUILDING CODE STANDARDS.

DOUBLE-WIDE ONCE YOU PUT IN THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE WITH A FRONT FRONT DOOR TO THE STREET, UH, DOUBLE SIDES, THE MASONRY FOUNDATION, ET CETERA, THEY GENERALLY RUN ALMOST COMPATIBLE TO THAT OF A MODULAR HOME MODULAR HOMES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT COMPARED TO A DOUBLE-WIDE MANUFACTURED HOME, IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR PRICES, BUT DISCUSSED WITH THE PLANT IN HIS OWN BOWL.

NO, IT WAS NOT JUST NOT COMMENTING ON WHICH WAY WE SHOULD GO, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO VOTING TONIGHT ON ANY CLASSIFICATION OTHER THAN THE ONE PRESENTED TO US, BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE IDEA.

IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT HE WAKE UP TOMORROW MORNING AND READ IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT WE DID SOMETHING THAT HE WAS TOTALLY UNAWARE OF.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO TONIGHT.

SO I'M NOT COMMENTING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO CHANGE IT TO RA JUST THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT TONIGHT.

WE CAN, WE COULD EITHER APPROVE WHAT WE HAVE OR SEND IT BACK TO LOOK AT THAT POSSIBILITY, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE.

I'M I'M OPEN TO, UH, THE, AND LET'S BE, LET'S, LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT IT.

IT PROBABLY WILL.

IN MY MIND, I DON'T, I HAVE NO CRYSTAL BALL, BUT IN MY MIND, AS SOMEONE USED TO SAY, UH, I WOULD SEE THIS AS THE BEING THE PROBABLE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE IS THAT I WOULD JUST THINK THAT THIS WOULD BECOME AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK.

AND THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT KIND OF DWELLING.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAD.

I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT IT EITHER WAY, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO VOTE TONIGHT ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN.

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WE KEEP IT FROM, KEEP IT FROM HAT.

THE WILL MAKE THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING USE MEANING THAT IT CANNOT EXPAND.

AND IF IT IS ABANDONED, IT CANNOT REOCCUR ON A SITE.

THAT'S WHY THE PHONE, AND LET ME THROW OUT A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS HERE.

I WASN'T CLEAR ON YOUR ANSWER WHEN I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND YOU SAID THAT WAS TWICE AS MUCH.

WE, YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S TWICE AS MUCH, THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE AVERAGE MOBILE HOME, LIKE IN A PARK IS ALL IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S LESS DENSE THAN A MOBILE HOME PARK.

THAT'S 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.

IT'S NOT A SMALL LOT.

NO, IT ISN'T.

IT'S MUCH MORE THAN IT'S USUALLY A SAND IN A MOBILE HOME PARK.

MOBILE HOME PARK WOULD PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT MAYBE A 40 BY A HUNDRED, 4,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.

BUT I WAS SPEAKING PROBABLY TWICE AS MUCH SIMPLY BECAUSE IN A MOBILE HOME SUBDIVISION, THE MOBILE HOMES HAVE TO FACE THE STREET, MEANING THAT THE LIGHTS HAVE TO BE EXTRA WIDE.

SO MOST OF THE TIME YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF, AT LEAST 150 FEET WIDE BY GENERALLY ABOUT A HUNDRED OR 80 FEET DEEP.

SO YOU WOULD END UP FOR A MOBILE HOME, A DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME TO COMFORTABLY FIT IN A MOBILE HOME SUBDIVISION.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 12 TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET PER LOT, WHICH IS DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE, IF IT WAS R SIX, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE ONLY WAY THE TRAILER WOULD END UP ON THAT LOCK WOULD BE A PERSON WHO BOUGHT A LOT AND PUT A TRAILER ON IT.

AND IT HAD A FOUNDATION THAT THE CITY REQUIRES AND THE SLOPING ROOF AND ALL THIS OTHER BUSINESS.

AND THEN MIKEY, SHANNON'S PICTURES OF IT IN THE PAST.

IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE A HOUSE, WHICH IS A DIFFERENTIATED THING FROM UP FROM A TRAILER PARK IS BASICALLY VERY COMPACT HOUSING.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT STRAIGHT IN MY MIND AS TO WHAT YOU ALL HAD IN MIND WHEN YOU MADE IT AN RSX AND WHAT THESE FOLKS CONCERN IS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, MILLION OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE, GO AHEAD.

THE INDUSTRY, THAT'S HOW THEY SELL THESE PARTS.

THEY SAID WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE, BUT WHEN YOU SEE IT IN ACTION, IT LOOKS LIKE A 12.

IT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, WELL, LET ME TELL YOU THAT LAST BIT, THE FIRST SEVEN MARRIED YEARS OF MY LIFE AND I WAIT, ALL I EVER WANTED WAS ONE BAD ONE.

ONE LAST DOG, ONE LAST DOG.

AND I KNOW I'VE LIVED 14 YEARS, BUT THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY, I MEAN, IF TIMES IN YOUR LIFE, WHEN ASKED HOW, WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD, WELL, MAYBE ALL YOU WANT HAVE THIS OR THAT OR WHATEVER.

AND TO SAY, UH, A TRAILER, MOBILE HOME, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IS BAD IN AND OF ITSELF IS JUST NOT RIGHT.

IS NOT TRUE.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE WRONG IN YOUR ASSESSMENT OF WELL AS A GOODBYE OR, OR THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING AS THAT VISION OF IT.

AND I DON'T HAVE ANY ARGUMENT WITH THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY LIKES TO HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY SOME GOLF AND OTHERS, BUT, BUT, BUT MY ASSESSMENT OF WHAT HE IS, WELL, THEY HAVE TRIED TO DO WITH AN RSX AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT COULD BE IS, IS, IS I SEE A DIFFERENTIATION MYSELF IN THERE.

MAY I HAVE JUST BEFORE WE LET SOMEONE ELSE COME UP, LET ME JUST GET ONE COMPARISON.

YOU SAID WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS FROM BEING ACQUAINTED.

WOULD THAT, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WE CAN MENTION THERE'S SOME OTHER FOLKS OUT THERE SPEAK, COME FORWARD TO ANY ORI.

WELL, EVERYBODY MOVE AT ONE GOOD EVENING.

MAYOR BAYLESS AND, UH, THE ALDERMAN, UH, MY NAME'S KENNETH MCELWAIN LIVE AT 9 21 MAIN STREET, WHICH IS THE, UH, I LIVE IN MY BACKYARD IS NEXT TO THEIR TRAILER PARK.

UM, I JUST WANT TO KINDA WANT TO ADDRESS, UH, MR. THOMAS, MR. THOMAS, IS THAT CORRECT, JOE? UM, I JUST I'M LIKE YOU, I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE ZONING ISSUE.

WHAT WHAT'S CONFUSING TO ME IS IF IT'S ZONED FOR 6,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT YET THEY CAN'T BECAUSE IT BECOMES A PART WAS ALREADY PARKED, RIGHT? NO BEACH GROVE MOBILE HOME PARK.

OKAY.

SO, SO IT'S THE ZONING OF THE PEAT PARCEL OF PROPERTY, NOT THE EXISTING OVERALL PROPERTY.

THE ATTORNEY EXPLAINED THAT THE DEVELOPER, THE OWNER HAS AGREED TO OVERLAY AN ON HIS EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH, WHICH MAKES IT NON-CONFORMING, WHICH IS BASICALLY HIS AGREEMENT

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FROM HERE ON OUT THAT IF IT'S ABANDONED, IT CAN'T EVER RETURN AS A MOBILE HOME PARK.

AND HE CANNOT EXPAND IT AS A MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH IS A GROUND LEASED SYSTEM, AS OPPOSED TO PARCEL OWNERSHIP.

SO TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, HE DID NOT HAVE TO APPROACH FOR REZONING.

HE COULD HAVE JUST CONTINUED ON AND EXPANDED ANY WAY HE DESIRED.

AND SO BY GOING THROUGH THIS, OUR SIX PROGRAM HAD TO BENEFIT HIM SOMEHOW, WHICH THAT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER STORY, BUT I HAD ENOUGH.

WHAT WAS HIS MOTHER? I DON'T KNOW AND HE'S GONE.

AND HE WANTS TO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE'S GOT SOME DIVISION PLAN, UH, PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

HE WANTS TO ON THE BACK 30 ACRES, HE WANTS TO BASICALLY DO A TRENT PARK, UM, TRY AND CREATE SOME TODAY.

SO HE'S GOING TO SELL THEM.

BUT TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, BECAUSE IT IS OWNED R SIX, IF THERE'S ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO CONFORM TO ALL OF THE REGULATIONS FOR, FOR THAT, THEY CAN PUT A TRAILER ON 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

IF THEY CAN CONFORM IT SOMEHOW TO FIT THE RULES.

IT'S IT'S WELL, I'M NOT SURE BERNARD, BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT TO FACE, THE STREET WAS 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

I'M NOT SURE YOU CAN GET THERE.

IF YOU GO TO MOBILE HOMES, YOU CAN GO 6,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A PATIO, BUILT A SMALL HOME.

AM I RIGHT BERNARD? BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE MODULAR HOMES, YOU REALLY CAN'T GO SIX FEET BECAUSE THEY WON'T FIT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO FACE THE STREET.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I THINK WHAT MR. GEORGE IS SAYING IS THERE, AREN'T GOING TO BE 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

HE GOT OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE LARGER THAN 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

YOU CAN TAKE A MOBILE HOME PARK, BUT THE LOTS ARE BASICALLY 50 FEET WIDE BY A HUNDRED FEET BIG AND SLIDE THE MOBILE HOME IN.

SO THE NARROW ONE FACING THE STREET, BUT IN A , YOU CAN'T DO NARROW INS TO THE STREET.

YOU HAVE TO DO LOG-INS TO THE STREET.

SO WHEN YOU BRING THAT DOUBLE WIDE AROUND FACING THE STREET, YOU HIT TO GET IT ON 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

WELL, THEORETICALLY YOU COULD READDRESS, OR YOU CAN READDRESS THE LINES AND YOU COULD PUT IT THERE, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE A VERY WIDE, VERY SHALLOW LOT.

WOULD YOU NOT? AND THAT WOULD BE A VERY INEFFICIENT USE OF THE LAND.

LET, LET, LET US GO BACK TO REGINALD.

THIS GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION, WHICH IS A GOOD QUESTION.

IF THE MAN WAS INTENDING TO EXPAND HIS TRAINING, THAT'S WHAT HE'S UP TO.

WE'RE TRYING TO DO OR WHATEVER, AS HIS PLAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE MOTIVE IN COMING AND HAVING TO CHANGE THE RSA? YOU COULD DO IT ANYWAY.

THAT'S THE LAST ONE I'M SAYING THAT MEAN IT WOULD FORCE HIM IN THE REGULATIONS AND STUFF THAT IT WOULD COST HIM MONEY.

YOU HAVE TO PUT IT ON A BURGER LOT AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.

SO, AND I'M NEW WITH ALL THIS COMING BEFORE THE REST OF THE NIGHT.

SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE WHY HE'S DOING THIS TO EXPAND HIS TRAILER PARK.

WELL, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SAYING THAT SOMEBODY WOULD PUT AN INDIVIDUAL TRAILER.

WE'LL BUILD SOMETHING ELSE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT, WE'VE GOT A CONTRACT WITH A DEVELOPER, LIKE THE MOBILE UNITS COMPANIES COME IN AND DO MORE.

I THINK THE ISSUE IS ON THE BACK 30 ACRES, BUT HE WASN'T SAYING MANUFACTURED HOMES SO CLEARLY.

OKAY.

I THINK THAT EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONING.

WHY DOES HE WANT TO IMPOSE TOUGHER RULES ON HIS EXISTING PARK? THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE GAME I SUSPECT HE WAS TRYING TO BE ACCOMMODATING TO THE COMMUNITY.

I, AND I'M NOT TALKING DIRECTLY ABOUT THIS, BUT I SUSPECT THAT WOULD BE HIS THINKING OF, HEY, I'M TRYING TO SHOW ALL MY CARDS HERE AND SHOW YOU THAT I'M NOT GOING TO EXPAND A MOBILE HOME PARK.

AND I MADE IT TO THE EXTENT THAT I WILL IMPOSE THE RULES ON WHAT I'VE ALREADY GOT.

THAT I DON'T HAVE TO JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT MY INTENTION THOUGH IS HERE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S TO STAY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL LOCKS ON THE BACK OF THE RIDE.

WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIGNING RESIGN.

IT IS SURELY NO HELP TO HIM.

NOW, MAYBE IF I WAS AT ME EASILY GET LUCKY, BUT WHEN I HAD THE BUSINESS, THAT IT IS, IS NON-CONFORMING CAN'T EVEN SLADE AWAY DAYS.

WELL, I WAS LIKE VIEWS, I GUESS I'M, I'M GATHERING, I'M LEARNING A GIG GLEANING A LITTLE MORE KNOWLEDGE THIS EVENING, BUT, UH, BEFORE I SIT DOWN, I JUST WANT TO ALSO MENTION, UM, HOWEVER THIS PLAYS OUT.

UM, MY, MY GREATEST IS LIVING RIGHT THERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, SEEING THE AMOUNT OF ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE INCREASED WITH THE INFLUX OF, OF HOMES OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, UM, IN PARTICULARLY IN FRONT OF BEACH GROVE, HOME, MOBILE HOME PARK.

AND, UM, AND I'M NOT GOOD WITH THE NAMES, UH, COLONIAL, UM, UH, BUT BEACH GROVE, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE I SEE IT.

I LITERALLY SEE THEM WHEN THEY HAPPEN.

AND, UH, AND THE INFLUX OF MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.

UH, AND I'VE TALKED WITH DEITY.

WE, WE CALLED THE A T AND DISCUSS WITH THEM ABOUT THE SPEED LIMITS AND A WIDENING OF ROADS, AND THEN PUTTING IN TURN LANES AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

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AND THEY'VE SAID THEY'VE DONE EXTENSIVE STUDIES AND THERE THEY ARE VERY SATISFIED WITH THE WAY THE, THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROAD IS AT THIS TIME.

SO, UM, I GUESS I DO HAVE A GREAT CONCERN OF MORE ACCIDENTS WITH THE INFLUX OF CONTINUED, UH, A LOT MORE, A LOT MORE FOLKS LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR, AND THEN LET ME SAY THIS TO YOU BOTH BY THE OTHER BACK OF WHY NOT IS HE, HE'S GOTTA BEGIN TO, BUT ANYHOW, THERE'S NOT MANY OF US AROUND AND WE DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR BECAUSE WE'RE PROBABLY KEY.

CAUSE A LOT OF THE FOLKS IN THIS AREA HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

WE CAME TOGETHER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT THE, UH, ANDERSON THING, HE WAS MENTIONING THAT THAT DAY THAT HE HAD A NOTICE ABOUT THE ZONING, UH, WERE THEY SUPPOSED TO GET ONE OR WHAT DOES IT SAY? A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THEY HAD BEEN AT HIS OWN MEETING WITH THE ZONING BOARD.

A LOT OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED AND IT'S NOT OUR INTENT FOR YOU NOT TO BE THERE.

SO I'M SURE THAT IF YOU DIDN'T GET NOTED, NOTIFIED, IT WAS JUST A SLIP UP WHERE THEY, WELL, WE HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS, THERE'S A LIST OF, I WOULD ASSUME ABOUT 30 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE, THAT WAS GATHERED FROM THE TAX OFFICE, ALL ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE PROPERTY TO BE REZONED.

NAME IS HERE AND THESE ARE THE NAMES DON'T WERE SENT LETTERS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GENERAL STATUTES WAS TO MCELWAIN IS ON THIS LIST.

UH, JEAN AND, UH, KENNETH ARE THEY, OH, JEAN KENNA.

YOU SHOULD'VE GOTTEN A LEAD FROM 11 WITH THIS MEETING.

ACTUALLY THE LETTERS COMBINED, THE LETTER HAS TWO MEETINGS.

IT HAS THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING, WHICH IS HELD THE FIRST OF THIS MONTH.

UH, AND I'VE GOT IT ON MY DESK AND MY OFFICE.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK THIS POSSIBILITY.

IS IT ONLY BEEN THE MAYOR SINCE 93, I'M STILL LEARNING THE ROOF.

IS IT POSSIBLE MR. JOEL WARD, OR IS IT EVEN FEASIBLE FOR US TO NOT VOTE ON, ON IT TONIGHT AND TURN IT BACK AND LET YOU ALL ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THESE SPACES WEREN'T AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING MEAN THERE'S STILL SOME CONFUSION.

I DON'T WANT US TO VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

AND PEOPLE LEAVE HERE THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE MEANT THIS AWAY WHEN HE MIGHT'VE BEEN THAT AWAY.

I'D LIKE EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS INVOLVED IN WHAT'S GOING ON AND SO FORTH.

AND IF ANYONE DIDN'T GRIEVE TO THE PIPE WAR, RIGHT.

OR WHATEVER HAPPENED NOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

BUT I JUST BELIEVE IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE COULD DO THAT AS KIMMY.

CAN WE DO THAT? WE CAN CONTINUE THIS.

YEAH.

AND THEN I NOTICED THIS LETTER THAT I'VE GOT IN HERE, IT'S DATED 16 OCTOBER TALKS ABOUT THE MEETING OF ONE OCTOBER.

IT TALKS ABOUT THE MEETING, THE MAYOR OF THE 22ND.

SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE OCTOBER.

WELL, IT MAY EITHER.

IF THEY WERE A WARRANT, SOMEHOW THEY DIDN'T GET THE WORD.

THE LETTERS LETTERS DATED SEPTEMBER 23RD.

UM, AFTER BEING SHOVED IN COLLEGE, I MAY HAVE NOT READ THE BOTTOM BAR.

THAT'S THE MARCH DATE WITH ALL THINGS.

MAYBE THE VERY LAST PAGE BEFORE THIS DATE WAS, BUT OUR, OUR INTENT AND MR. GEORGE'S INTENT IS TO, IS TO LET IT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS.

SO, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF IT WAS ALL IT WAS AND YOU ALL MISSED IT OR WHATEVER, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A TOUGH STUFF DEAL OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S AN IDEA OF EVERYBODY GETTING OUT AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT IS ATTEMPTED TO BE GOING ON.

AND IT MAY MAKE SOME SENSE WHEN IT'S ALL OVER.

CAN YOU CLARIFY ONCE AGAIN, I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GET.

UM, IF YOU GO TO OUR SIX, HE HAS PERFORMED ALL THESE RULES, REGULATIONS, BUT ANY OTHER RATING OF THE DIFFERENT FROM THAT HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS TO VOTE, WHICH IS THE SIZE OF THAT BOX.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, IF HE, THE ONLY THREE ZONING DISTRICTS PERMIT, UH, MOBILE HOME PARKS, I MEAN MOBILE HOMES OUTSIDE OF MOBILE HOME PARKS, THAT'S THE RSX, THEY ARE 20 AND THE 85, WE HAVE THREE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT PERMIT MOBILE HOME PARKS, THEY ARTIST COMMERCIAL THREE, A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT FOUR, AND, UH, UH, AGRICULTURE DISTRICT FIVE, FIVE ACRES, A FIVE AGRICULTURE DISTRICT, EXCUSE ME, EARLIER I SAID ARE 20 THEY'RE PERMITTED 20, BUT THEY'RE NOT.

THEY'RE PERMITTED IN THE FIVE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT,

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THE C4 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THE C3 COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

SO THEY HAD THREE DISTRICTS WHERE MOBILE HOME PARKS ARE PERMITTED.

AND AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, BY GOING TO OUR SIX, THE MOBILE HOME PARK IS UNABLE TO EXPAND AND HE'S UNABLE TO, UH, CONSTRUCT ANOTHER MOBILE HOME PARK ON THAT TRACK OF LAND.

I KNOW IT'S CONFUSING, BUT I MAY NOT.

I STILL THINK THAT IT WILL BE BETTER IF IT'S NOT YOUR TIME IS NOT OF THE ESSENCE YOU BACK UP AND GET EVERYBODY, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN DO? IS THAT POSSIBLE? I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT THE BOARD THINKS THIS OTHER GENTLEMAN WANTS SPEAK? WAIT A MINUTE.

IF WE HIT A REMAINDER OF THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBJECT AND WE CLOSE OUT HERE AND MAKE A DECISION, THEN IF WE WOULD LIKE TO VOTE, I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO PLANNING.

UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO IT THEN THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME MISUNDERSTANDING AND SOME OF IT, BUT GO AHEAD.

GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN.

MY NAME IS MARK BESS.

UM, I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF THAT COMMUNITY.

UM, I'M ALSO ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH THAT ALSO.

AND I THINK LOOKING AT THE OTHER WAY, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT IS THE ENTRYWAY TO THAT REZONING OR THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE OFF HIGHWAY 55, NOT 43, WHICH WILL COME INTO RIGHT INTO THE PLEASANT HILL COMMUNITY.

AND IT GOES BETWEEN, AND THAT THE ENTRYWAY GOES BETWEEN TWO HOMES THAT ALREADY DEERE.

UM, SO THERE WILL BE KIDS.

AND RIGHT NOW I'M GONNA TELL YOU, THE OWNER DOES NOT REALLY TAKE GOOD CARE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE EVERY RESIDENTS OUT THERE KEEP THE LAWNS MOWED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND ONLY TIME HE DOES MOST OF LOT IN BETWEEN.

THERE'S WHEN HE'S CALLED SEVERAL TIMES.

SO I DON'T THINK HE'S ACTUALLY CARED THAT MUCH ABOUT THE COMMUNITY OR THE RESIDENTS THERE, BUT THERE ARE KIDS THAT ARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COME CROSS-SITE DRY WAY TO CATCH THEIR SCHOOL BUS BECAUSE THE HOMES ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER AND THEY WALKED TO ONE DRIVEWAY SO THEY CAN CATCH THE BUS.

ALSO FILLED UP THE ROAD IS A CURVE, WHICH IS WHERE CETC IS.

AND BUSES COME THERE AROUND THAT CURVE.

AND BECAUSE 18 WHEELERS NAM, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO APP HOT LANE FREQUENTLY COME DOWN TO HIGHWAY AND THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55 MILES PER HOUR.

SO IT DOES CREATE POSSIBLE TRAFFIC SITUATIONS.

IT DOES CREATE SAFETY FOR CHILDREN WHO ARE GOING TO SCHOOL.

IT ALSO WHAT THE TRAFFIC, IF IT GOES IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO HOME IS PUTTING CARS AND DRIVEWAYS PAST SOMEONE'S BEDROOM WINDOW AT ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT.

UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN BECAUSE IT NOT ONLY IT COMES WHERE IT COMES IS OFF 55 RUNS BEHIND SEVERAL RESIDENTS, WHICH IS BASICALLY A FAMILY COMMUNITY.

UM, AND WE, WE ALSO ASKED TO SEE IF THE OWNER WAS THERE AT THAT PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

AND HE WASN'T, WE, WE HAD THAT QUESTION CAME UP, UM, DO ONE QUESTION THAT WE ASKED BERNARD HAD TO PLAN A ZONING BOARD MEETING WITH THAT.

AND HE TOTALLY, HE SAID, BECAUSE IT IS ANNEX INTO THE CITY THAT THE CITY DOES NOT ALLOW MOBILE HOME PARKS.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS STIPULATED, BUT THE PLANET IS OWNING BOARD.

DO YOU NOTE THE CONCERNS OF THE INDIVIDUALS THERE? UM, AND LIKE I SAID, MY NEIGHBORS CAN'T BE HERE TONIGHT AND THAT'S WHERE THAT ROLE OR THE ENTRYWAY WOULD CUT IN BECAUSE HER HUSBAND HAS SURGERIES AND THEY'RE IN FIBIAL, BUT IT COMES RIGHT PAST THE TWO SIDES WHERE THE KIDS ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ENTRYWAY.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE.

PLUS IT COMES CLOSE BY TO OCCUR.

PLUS THE TRAFFIC ALREADY GOING THROUGH THERE K HAS INCREASED WITH THE NUMBER OF 18 WHEELERS GOING THROUGH THERE AND IT, AND I HATE FOR IT TO BECOME LIKE, UH, WHERE ARE THEY AT? AND WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT WE'RE WERE RUNNING BEHIND RIGHT BESIDE PEOPLE HOMES.

AND MOST OF THOSE LOTS OUT THERE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OVER A HALF ACRE.

UM, LOTS OF MY LIFE WERE RUN BEHIND MY LIFE.

MY LIFE IS PRETTY MUCH A HALF ACRE LOT, SO IT'S NOT COMPACT THEN.

AND WE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOME POSSIBLE, UH, HOMES OR OUR UNITS THAT HE'S PLANNING ON PUT BACK THERE.

AND WE THINKING THAT IF IT'S, UH, IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, 80, 70 SOME UNITS, I WENT TO THE UNIT, UH, TO THE ONE OVER TO QUEEN JUST TO VIEW IT.

UH, THE LOTS ARE PRETTY SMALLER THAN THE ONES OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT IS A NICE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE LOTS ARE A MUCH SMALLER SO THEY CAN GET MORE HOMES IN THERE.

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS.

I THINK THERE WAS ABOUT WHAT 12 KIDS 13 DID A RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT WAY IS THAT PRETTY MUCH CATCH THE BUS BETWEEN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR RESIDENCES THERE.

AND THEN ALSO MY NEIGHBOR ASKED ME TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERN ABOUT IF HE, IF TRAPPED, THIS GOES THROUGH BETWEEN DEAF HOMES ONE NOW HOME, THIS IS MY FATHER'S RESIDENCE, WHERE MY MOTHER, WHERE WE ALL GREW UP AT

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AND, AND, AND MY NIECE AND HER KIDS ARE NOW STANDING IN THE HOME AND OTHER HOME IS, UH, IS, UH, ANOTHER RESIDENT THERE, KIDS THAT STAY ACROSS THE STREET.

AND IT PRETTY MUCH WITHIN THAT, RIGHT BETWEEN THOSE THREE OR FOUR HOMES IS 12 KIDS THAT GET ON THE SCHOOL BUS.

AND I, I PRETTY MUCH BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC COME THROUGH, DEER ALWAYS WATCH MY SON.

I'M A SINGLE PARENT.

I WATCHED MY SON GET ON THE SCHOOL BUS BEFORE I LEAVE FOR WORK EVERY DAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT HE SAFELY ON THAT BUS.

AND, AND YOU COULD TELL, YOU COULD HEAR THE SCREECHING OF TIRES WHEN THOSE BIG TRUCKS I BEHIND THOSE SCHOOL BUSES IN THE MORNING.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN THERE.

UH, I DON'T THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TOOK NOTE OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT IS A HISTORICALLY AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY.

UH, THAT CUBAN COMMUNITY HAS FOUGHT WHEN THEY START ABOUT 70 BYPASS.

THEY HAVE US GOING TO SLICE THAT COMMUNITY UP ABOUT NINE DIFFERENT PARTS, AND THEY FOUGHT FOR THAT.

AND IT HAD BEEN ONE OF THE OLDEST COMMUNITIES OUT THERE, UH, IN THE CITY OF NEW BAR.

SO THEY HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE PUT THERE.

AND WE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PLAN IS ON A BOARD, I THINK WANTED TO ASK ALSO TO ASK THE PROPERTY, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, IF HE PUTS SOMETHING TO IT'S GOING TO CONFORM TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS OR THE COMMUNITIES ALREADY IS AND DEBT SOME TYPE OF BUFFER THAT WOULD BE PREGNANT AS FAR AS BALANCING THE NOISE, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS ARE COMING BEHIND THOSE RESIDENTS AND COMING BETWEEN THOSE TWO HOMES AND THE SAFETY OF THOSE KIDS, AS THEY HAVE TO CROSS A MEET AT ONE AREA TO CATCH THE SCHOOL BUS.

NOW, THE ATTORNEY MENTIONED, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE? THEN THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE BRINGS UP ARE THINGS, AND THEY HAVE TO BE REVISITED EVEN AFTER IT WAS SAYING, IN OTHER WORDS, IT HAS TO, YOU CAN'T JUST GO IN AND MAKE A DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH YOU GOT ZANE WITHOUT MEETING ANOTHER AND FORMING THINGS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER SAFETY FOLLOWED.

YEAH.

AND I THINK ALSO THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD HAD THOSE CONCERNS BECAUSE IF WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT, AND I THINK MR MOFFA WHO'S CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD HAS A CONCERN THAT WITH OTHER MEMBERS THERE, THAT WHEN HE COMES BACK WITH HIS PLANS, THAT IT MAY, YOU KNOW, THAT IT IS CONFORMING BECAUSE IN A, MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE ALSO, BECAUSE IT'S CHANGED THAT IT COULD ALSO BECOME AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BACK THERE ALSO.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS TOLD BECAUSE IT, IT, IT CAN BE A MANUFACTURED HOME DEVELOPMENT, OR HE ALSO CAN PUT APARTMENTS BACK THERE UNLESS IT IS SPECIFICALLY STATED, YOU KNOW, WHY HE CAN'T PUT BACK THERE.

YES, SIR.

WITHOUT IT BEING ZONE NAVARRO, HE COULD DO WHAT THEY DO WITH HIS OWN AVOIDING.

DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT? HE'S GOT TO COME UP ON THE PLANNING FOLKS AGAIN AND GET APPROVAL ON DEPENDING ON WHAT HE WANTS TO PUT IN THERE.

WELL, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S THE ONLY GOOD THING I THINK RIGHT ABOUT IT.

BUT AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND THIS BOARD DOESN'T TAKE ACTION TO ZONING SOMETHING, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE WIDE OPEN.

BUT WHENEVER WE DO TO TAKE THE ACT, AND I AGREE WITH THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT HAVING A ZONE SO THAT IT CAN BE SOME THAT PROPERTY CAN BE CONTROLLED IN SOME ASPECTS.

AND YOU, YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE ZONING, BUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ZONING AT ALL, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S DANGEROUS.

YES IT IS.

I GREW UP THROUGH THERE.

YES.

THE OLD, UH, ARGUMENT, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY BETWEEN SOME FOLKS WHO ON THE ONE HAND THINK THAT IF A MAN OWNS A PIECE OF PROPERTY, I WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING HE WANTS TO DO VERSUS SOME OTHER FOLKS WHO SOMETIMES THINK THAT EVEN IF YOU OWN IT, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

AND WHAT WE DO AND TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN IS TO, IS TO, IS TO HONOR BOTH SIDES.

YOU GOT, IT OWNS THE PROPERTY AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND IT, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND IT, THEN IT ACTUALLY GO HOME AND, AND, AND BEING ON, ON A PLANET AS ON THE BOARD.

YEAH.

I THINK I WENT AND TALKED TO SOMEONE AND I DON'T THINK THEY'VE PRETTY MUCH MINE.

A RESIDENTIAL AREA BEEN PUT BACK THERE.

I THINK YOU JUST SO LONG THAT THE SAFETY COMPONENTS IS PUT IN AND THE CONCERNS ARE THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS.

WELL, YOU DON'T MIND BEING ZONED IN OUR SIX APPLICATION TONIGHT, IS THAT RIGHT? I DON'T I, TO, TO, TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE FROM HAVING THAT MOBILE HOME PARK AS SPANISH FURTHER BACK, I THINK THAT THAT PROBABLY BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE IT RECOMMENDED.

AWESOME.

OH, THAT'S OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, UH, THAT YOU HAD SAID ABOUT WHAT THE ZONING AND OUR SIX OR WHATEVER HE COULD PUT APARTMENTS BACK THERE, UNLESS WE, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT ONCE THE ZONING IS DONE, ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED IN THAT ZONE CAN BE DONE IN THAT ZONE.

WE CANNOT SAY WE'LL REZONE IT TO THIS ZONE, BUT YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO BUILD THIS ONE TYPE OF THING THERE BECAUSE THAT'S CALLED CONTRACT ZONING AND IT'S FORBIDDEN BY LAW.

SO ONCE IT'S ZONED R SIX OR R EIGHT, THEN WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

WHAT'S PUT THERE AS LONG AS IT IS IN THE CITY ORDINANCES AS BEING ALLOWED.

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AND THEY ARE SIX AREN'T.

WE CAN'T SAY, WELL, THESE THINGS ARE ALLOWED AT AN R SIX, BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO THIS ONE, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THESE.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

BUT THERE IS JUST A CLARIFICATION.

IT HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT, BUT FOR SOME TYPE OF A LARGE DEVELOPMENT, GOING BACK THERE IN AN RSX LIKE RALEIGH FAMILY DWELLINGS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WOULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER OUR SPECIAL USE CONDITIONAL USE ASPECT, WHICH AGAIN, IT CALLS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE ANYTHING.

YEAH.

NOT UNDER THAT, BUT EVEN IF SOMEBODY SAID THAT THIS THING BY MY DEFINITION IS ALLOWED ON THE NEXT, I MEAN, IT STILL HAS TO MEET CERTAIN THINGS FOR AN EXAMPLE, IF IT SAID IN A MOBILE HOME AND YOU'D GO HOME AT 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, AND SOMEBODY BUYS THAT LOT AND WANTS TO PUT A MOBILE HOME, HE'S GOT TO CONFORM WITH ALL THAT STUFF.

THESE OTHER GUYS CAME UP WITH IT AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A MOBILE HOME WAS MORE LIKE A HOUSE, WHEREAS OPPOSED, YOU KNOW, ON OTHER THINGS LIKE HE'S ON THE MAP, THEY CAN JUST BE A MOBILE HOME, JUST GO.

HE WANTS IT TO BE.

BUT ANYWAY, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S NOT REALLY APPLES AND APPLES.

THERE'S STILL ANOTHER SEA OF HAS GOTTEN TO FOLLOW THROUGH BEFORE IT COMES OUT, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE, IS THERE ANY, GO AHEAD.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS IN YOUR COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST THAT WE VOTE ON SOME KIND OF ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS AT NIGHT, WHETHER IT'S SIX OR EIGHT, I THINK IT WILL BE JUST TO HAVE, UM, SO THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD FEEL SOMEWHAT SAFER THAT, THAT MOBILE HOME PARK THAT'S BACK THERE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO SPAN TO THEIR BACK DOORS.

IT'S THE MATH METHYLENE TO MICROWAVE IS NOT WEIGHING ONE AND TWO.

MR. MCELWAIN, DO YOU THINK IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST THAT WE DO SOME ZONING CLASSIFICATION TONIGHT BECAUSE WE DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ZONING PROTECTION RIGHT NOW.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? LISTEN TO WHAT, UH, UH, DID YOU SAY THAT THE, THE, THE, TH IT'S ALREADY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF NEWBURGH AT THIS TIME, THAT PROPERTY DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT LIMITED THIS TIME? THEY CANNOT BE, THEY CANNOT EXPAND.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

THAT'S NOT, UH, EXCUSE ME.

UM, MOBILE HOME PARKS ARE LOUD IN THE EIGHT FIVE, THE C3 AND C4 ZONE IN THE CITY.

THE CITY HAS PASSED NO ORDINANCES TO NOT ALLOW MOBILE HOME PARKS IN THE CITY.

OKAY.

MOBILE HOME PARKS ARE STILL ALLOWED IN THOSE THREE CENTERS.

I JUST, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

AND ONE OTHER ISSUE, WHICH IS ONE HAS GOT, RIGHT, THE OTHER ISSUE WAS, UH, UH, THE NEED TO TAKE ACTION THIS EVENING OR, OR NOT.

UH, JUST SO YOU'RE FULLY AWARE THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE MEETING, UH, I GUESS IN ABOUT 10 DAYS, UH, FOR THEIR NEXT MEETING.

UH, THEN THE BOARD OF ALDERMAN WOULD HAVE ITS MEETING THE SECOND TUESDAY, BEFORE THEY COULD DEVELOP A MOBILE PHONE, SUDDENLY DIVISION.

IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL PROCESS WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, WHICH CAN'T GET ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN, UH, NOVEMBER.

ANYWAY, IT WOULD BE DECEMBER 4TH TO BE HEARD, WHICH WOULD GIVE THE BOARD IF THEY WISHED ENOUGH TIME TO DISCUSS IT AGAIN, UH, PRIOR TO ANY ACTION BEING TAKEN THAT COULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE THERE REMAINS THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION TO GO BACK AND GET THESE PEOPLE BETTER ON THE FARM.

THAT'S WHAT WE TAKE ACTIONS AND WHAT YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY ELSE, BEING ABLE TO JUMP OUT AND SAY, I'VE ALREADY DONE IT NOW.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? RIGHT? AND AT THE SAME TIME WE COULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF BUFFER AND NOSE TO NOSE.

IT MIGHT BE SOMEBODY ELSE.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS BEFORE? WE WOULDN'T LET ANYBODY ELSE? NOW YOU CAN.

MOSTLY, WE CONTINUE TO PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THE SECOND TO THE NOVEMBER 2ND, 37 30 SECOND, THAT MOTION WE MAYBE CALL IT THE ROADMAP, JUST A VOICE, BUT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AND IN THE MEANTIME, PLEASE, IF YOU CAN DROP MR. GILBERT AND MIKE OR WHOMEVER, GET THESE FOLKS TO YELL AND GET TO THE OTHER MEETING AND DO WHATEVER IT IS YOU NEED TO DO SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S INVOLVED.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK INTO ELLA HEARING AND HEAR WHAT YOU LIKE.

DON'T LIKE OR WHATEVER.

AND WE'LL ALL BE ON THE SAME

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SO IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE, NOVEMBER AT SEVEN 30, AND IF YOU LIVE OVER A HUNDRED FEET AND YOU STILL WANT TO COME AND VOICE YOURSELF, THAT'S STILL A PROBLEM.

WAS THAT, THAT CORRECTNESS YOU JUST NOT REQUIRED TO GET IT HOME.

SO ANYHOW, WE'LL BACK UP AND PUTIN.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING.

OH, THE CONCERN, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT CALL ROLE, PLEASE.

MA'AM YES, YES, YES.

OKAY.

WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY APPOINTMENTS FOR A NIGHT, BUT I'M ALMOST AFRAID TO ANNOUNCE THAT I HAVE A VACANCY ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING HOOD, LOOKING FOR APPLICANTS, ALL YOU, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN BECOMING A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL.

I'M HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR APPLICATION THAT'S TO ANYBODY HERE OR ANY WAY THAT SEES THIS MEETING.

YOU CAN CALL ME AT FIVE ONE FOUR TWO FIVE SIX, FOUR.

BE VERY HAPPY TO GET YOU INVOLVED IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE, UH, ZONING, UH, IN THE CITY.

SO I HAVE, SIR, MR. FREE MR. MAYOR.

I HAVE A NOMINATION TO MAKE FOR AN APPOINTMENT TO THE POLICE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. CHARLES DEBTOR OF 1 0 7 QUEEN STREET.

MR. DEBTOR IS A 22 YEAR RESIDENT OF NEW BERN.

HE RETIRED FROM THE MILITARY.

UH, HE HAS A PHD IN RADIATION, BILE, A BIOLOGY, AND WAS MANAGING A RESEARCH FACILITY, PULL THE MILITARY.

WHEN HE RETIRED AFTER HIS RETIREMENT, HE BECAME DEAN OF PITT COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

AND HE IS NOW RETIRED FROM THAT POSITION.

AND HE HAD HIS, UH, EMINENTLY QUALIFIED TO SERVE THE CITY AND HAS DECIDED NOW THAT HE'S RETIRED TWICE IT'S TIME, HE GAVE SOMETHING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE HIM FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

GOOD.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE, MR. BREE? AND THAT'S IT? YES.

MA'AM.

I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

UH, ROSEMARY WHETSTONE, UH, PINE VALLEY DRIVE IN GREENBRIER NEWBURN.

UH, SHE HAD SERVED ON THE PLANNING BOARD IN NEW JERSEY.

SHE HOLDS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN ACCOUNTING AND TEACHES IN PARK COLLEGE AND HAVE A, AND SHE IS A FLY ON THE BUY IN FOR BOARD OF MERCY CLINIC AS SHE WISHES TO SERVE THE CITY.

OKAY.

SOUNDS GOOD, MR. RYAN, NO APPOINTMENT.

OKAY.

HOW ABOUT MISCELLANEOUS? YES, SIR.

I'D LIKE TO BRING THE BOARD UP TO DATE ON WHAT THE NEWLY FORMED COMMITTEE TO, UH, KEEP THE FARMERS MUSEUM OPEN HAS DONE.

UH, WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING, I'M ON A BOARD WITH ABOUT 10 OTHER FOLKS.

WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING LAST THURSDAY AND, UH, WE DID SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO.

AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP WAS THE MAKE A DIFFERENCE DAY, WHICH IS THIS GOING TO BE THIS SATURDAY IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION.

THEY MAY HAVE SEEN IT ALL IN THE NEWSPAPER TODAY, WHERE THEY HAD A BIG AD AND INVITE EVERYBODY TO COME DOWN THERE BETWEEN 10 AND TWO AND ENJOY THE, UH, THE VIEW OF THE REVIEW OF THE OLD FIRE, UH, FIRE TRUCKS, FIRE EQUIPMENT, UH, THE CLOWNS, UH, PERFORM, UH, THE FIRE SAFETY TROOP.

AND WE'D LIKE EVERYBODY TO COME DOWN AND JOIN US AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FUNDRAISER AND IT'S GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE BEHIND IT.

WE JUST NEED MORE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.

AND SATURDAY BETWEEN 10 AND TWO, PLEASE COME DOWN TO THE OLD FIRE STATION ON THE BROAD STREET, NOT THE NEW FIRE STATION, BUT THE OLD FIRE STATION.

THAT'S ALL I ANSWERED.

AND FOR ANYBODY I MIGHT ADD TO THAT THEN, UH, EITHER IS FROM NEWBURN MOVED HERE AND HAS NEVER SEEN THAT STUFF.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABSOLUTELY AMAZED AT JUST HOW WORTHWHILE THAT TREE UP, GOING DOWN THERE AND SEEING THAT STUFF IS, I MEAN, IT'S AMAZING THAT WE STILL GOT ALL THAT STUFF AND HE WAS EARLY HISTORY.

MR. FREE.

UH, ONLY A QUICK MENTION THAT I, I AGREE THAT THE PER SAMPLE, THE FESTIVAL WAS REALLY GREAT

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THIS YEAR AND THANK GOODNESS THE RAIN STOPPED IN TIME.

AND TO COMMEND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, CLOWN TROOP, THEY DO SUCH A GREAT JOB.

THEY'RE SO GOOD WITH THE KIDS.

I REALLY ENJOYED THAT.

I LIKE ME.

I REALLY ENJOYED THAT.

THAT'S IT.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE CLOWNS A PADDLE.

THEY HAD THERE, BUT FROM A DISTANCE BECAUSE THEY'LL SPORTS YOU WITH WATER.

IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL, I DON'T HAVE ANY MISCELLANEOUS MAN.

MR. RANG.

I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON WHAT MATT MENTIONED ABOUT THE CHRIS SALMON FESTIVAL AND JUST ECHO HIS SENTIMENT AND OTHERS THAT THE CHRYSANTHEMUM FESTIVAL IS UNUSUALLY WELL ORGANIZED.

WHOEVER THOUGHT OF CHANGING THE LOCATION SHOULD BE REALLY COMMITTED BECAUSE I REMEMBER I WENT RIGHT.

I WENT TO THE FESTIVAL BOTH DAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

I HAD NO PROBLEMS GETTING IN AND OUT AND NAVIGATING THE STREETS.

THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS SUSAN REALLY WELL.

ANYWAY, IT WAS WELL-PLANNED PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DID AN EXCELLENT JOB CLEANING UP AFTER I WAS IN MY OFFICE WHEN IT WAS OVER AND I WATCHED THEM CLEANING UP.

THERE WAS CIGARETTE BUTTS ALL OVER THE PARKING LOT WITH MY OFFICE LOCATED WHEN I LEFT MY OFFICE AROUND MAYBE EIGHT OR NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THERE WAS NOTHING LEFT PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

ALL OF THEM NOT COMMITTED, ESPECIALLY DAN.

I HATE TO GIVE IT TO YOU, BUT WELL, LET'S SEE HERE.

OH, I'VE GOT A MISCELLANEOUS.

I WAS GOING TO TELL Y'ALL ALSO, DON'T FORGET THE AIR SHOW OR AIR, UH, EXHIBIT.

MAYBE YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR FOR THE MOM FEST.

AND IT WAS REALLY GREAT FOR THOSE THAT IT LIKE AIRPLANES OR WHATEVER.

AND IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT.

I WOULD HAVE SURPRISED ME WHEN YOU KICK THE THING OFF AT 12 O'CLOCK.

ALTHOUGH A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND, UH, UH, GOT UP AND SPOKE AND, UH, GENERAL BROUGHTON WHO WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE IN THE CITY AND, UH, IS DOING A GREAT JOB AT THE Y AND JUST A GREAT GUY.

BUT ANYWAY, HE INTRODUCED ME AND I TOLD EVERYBODY HOW MUCH I LOVED AIRPLANES ALL MY LIFE.

AND I REALLY DID.

AND I ALSO TOLD THEM, OF COURSE, ALL THOSE GUYS AND HE FLEW AND EVERYBODY ELSE.

AND I TOLD THEM THE TRUE STORY, WHICH WAS THAT I HAVE A FEAR OF FLY.

AND, UH, SOMEBODY ASKED ME ONE TIME THAT, UH, SAID, WELL, HOW IS THAT? IF YOU CAN LOVE AIRPLANES AND JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST THEY KNOW HOW THEY WORK AND ALL ABOUT THEM.

AND NO ONE, ALL OF THEM ARE AND ALL THAT.

AND YET YOU JUST CAN'T FLY AT NIGHT.

WHAT IS THAT LIKE? AND I TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS LIKE, UH, WE JUNIOR ROBINS CAME UP AND OFFERED YOU A BIG KISS AND YOU DISCOVERED YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY LIPS.

MY WIFE, HASN'T HEARD THAT SHE HEARS THIS ON CHALLENGE, DAN I'M IN SERIOUS TROUBLE, BUT IT IS SORTA LIKE THAT.

SO EVEN IF YOU DON'T FLY AND YOU, AND YOU DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT PLANES HERE, WHEN MOM PASSED, PLEASE GO AFTER THAT THING, YOU WILL SEE UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL, SOME VERY INTERESTING STUFF.

SO I JUST THOUGHT, I'D TELL US THAT NOW WE HAVE THE ATTORNEY, WE POUR IT.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THE CITY MANAGER, I JUST HAVE ONE ITEM AND DANNY CAN GO OVER THAT ISSUE THAT HE BROUGHT THEM HERE.

TAKE ABOUT AN HOUR.

WE HAVE VISUAL.

YEAH, IT WON'T TAKE ALL OF US TO START WITH A CARTOON.

NO, THIS IS, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE YEAH, LET'S BACK UP.

AND JUST A REAL QUICK ORIENTED RIGHT DOWN YEARS ON THE MARKET, THE SHERIFF, THE SHERIFF CAN APPROACH ME.

SO THE TEAM MANAGER THEM, AND, UH, THEY'RE REPLACING THEIR UNDERGROUND FUEL TANKS FOR THE

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BOAT FUELING ISSUE.

AND THEY ALREADY HAVE AN ENCLOSED MOVEMENT.

IT WAS PUT THERE YEARS AGO.

AND I'M SURE NOW WHERE THEY ARE PIPING FROM THAT TANK ON TO ALONG THE CITY PROPERTY, TO THE, TO THE PUMP AND WHAT THEY'RE NEEDING TO DO AND REPLACE IT IN THE TANK THAT YOU'RE LIVING.

THIS THING, WHY THIS AREA IS REALLY LOST OUT.

IT COMES DOWN TO THE WELL HERE WITH THEIR SERVICE LINE.

ON THAT DOWN TIME TO THE HERE.

UH, THEY ASKED ME WHAT THE NAVY TO DO, BASICALLY WHAT THEY NEED IS A NEW APPROACH.

AND I RECOMMENDED IT TO DRAW SOMETHING UP AND WHAT I WOULD REQUEST THE BOARD TO DO TONIGHT, IF YOU WOULD USE TO, UH, ALLOW CITY ATTORNEY TO DROP AN AGREEMENT, UH, OR, OR DROP A, AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE COULD FILE.

AND, UH, THEY CHERISHED AND REALIZES THAT COST WOULD BE AT THEIR EXPENSE AND, UH, GET SOMETHING THAT CAN GO AHEAD AND BE FILED AND ALLOW THE ENCROACHMENT.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY MORE LIABILITY THAN WE, AND THEN WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST OR, OR DEALT WITH IN, IN THE AGREEMENT ITSELF.

AND, UH, THEY DID ASSURE ME THAT CONTRARY TO WHAT WAS BEFORE, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED.

NOW, THERE WILL BE A, UH, ELECTRONIC MONITORING ON THE SYSTEM TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO RELEASES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, BUT THERE'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO SO.

UH, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF SOME EXPANSION OVER THERE IN THAT, IN THAT AREA.

YEAH.

THERE'S NO CONCERN WITH RALPH'S DEPARTMENT.

WELL, THERE A LOT ALONG THIS , UH, THERE IS AN ELECTRIC LINE THAT FEEDS THE, UH, THE STREET LIGHTS ALONG THERE, BUT THAT CAN ALL BE LOCATED TO WHERE THERE'LL BE NO ISSUE.

THAT LINE WOULD BE BURIED ABOUT 18 INCHES, WHICH IS GOING TO PUT A PAIR OF THAT EXPENSE TO, YES, IT WOULD BE ALL THIS.

THE RALPH WAS AWARE OF THIS, NOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THEY JUST, THEY JUST GAVE ME THIS, UH, LATE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND I PUT IT HERE.

UH, WE'LL DEFINITELY ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS, UH, BEFORE IT'S APPROVED CONCERNS.

WELL, THE URBAN DESIGN PLAN CALLS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WALKWAY ALONG THE WATER FRONT THERE.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE SITTING OR IT'S GOING TO BE TIED IN THE BULKHEAD, WE'LL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER GOES THERE DOESN'T AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO PUT THAT ON THERE.

IT'S CALLED .

SOMETIMES THAT GOES PRETTY DEEP.

YEAH.

BUT WOULD NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD DEFINITELY TALK TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND I, UH, IN, IN WE DISCUSSED IT, WE SAID THAT REVISION TO BE MADE IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD SAY THAT IF THE CITY HAD, FOR ANY REASON TO RELOCATE THAT LINE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY ALL THE EXPENSES.

ALL GOOD TO ME.

SO WHY DON'T YOU MEAN FROM US? JUST A AUTHORIZATION TO GO AHEAD AND LET SCOTT, UH, DRAW SOMETHING UP AND IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A DEALER BASICALLY.

YEAH.

I GUESS ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED.

THAT'S ALL I HAD.

THEN THE LAST THING WE HAVE.